All right, full moon. How we looking? We good? Shout out to my brother Ree. Let's get ready to get started, you guys. The planning and zoning committee meeting for who is it? Wednesday, July 9th is called to order at 6:31 p.m. We're going to do
a moment of silent meditation followed by a pledge of allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Very much clerk, please have roll call, please. Roll call. Um, Chair Nickerson here. Member Winters here. Member Lightoot Ward. Vice Chair
M. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Um approve of the agenda. Do I have a motion to approve? Uh so moved. Second. Moved by council person Lightoot War. Second by council person or chair council. Moved by member Lightfoot War,
second by member Winters. All in favor say I. I. I. All oppose say nay. Hearing none. Approval of minutes. Do I have a motion to approve? Motion to approve. Approved by a move by member Winters. Do I have a second?
Second. Second by Vice Chair Martin. All in favor say I. I. I. All oppose say nay. Hearing none. Moving on to the agenda item. This is for the uh variance for 175 Northwest 86th Street. You guys, we've gone over this. Um our
planners are not here today, but we've seen their report. They recommend approval for this. Um the only you know how sometimes you guys will put things forward and we'll um move them forward with either like adjustments or conditions leading up to the full council meeting because remember this is
the committee meeting. It has to move to the full council meeting. The only thing that I would say we add to this is um besides the shingles add the uh the decorra roof materials. That decor roof materials is the one that um council person winters was offering. And therefore
if we find that the decor roof materials will work for her then she won't have to do the shingles. But we can take care of all that right right now by adding an adjustment or a condition moving on to the council meeting to add the decor roofing materials. Okay. Um, are there any comments or questions from the
council? If not, I'll go to the audience. Yes. Uh, go ahead. Council person life I mean member life. Thank you. I read my interest that um what was going on with this my the approved roof materials
consist of the stuff that was presented on page two. Um, and it's limited. I if if it's okay, I'd like to ask the person, do they really know what they're doing getting this asphalt? Yes, it is
approved in in the state of Florida. Yes. Yes. Yes. All of that. But you had to be in a hurricane, a a real hurricane to know why that is a concern to this council person. Yeah, we have the um the resident here
in front of us, but I don't know if she's an expert on roof materials. This is just basically going back to the swell I mean swell going back to the shingle roofs that we used to allow that we no longer allow um we only allow now, you know, tile roofs, metal roofs. We
and other type of roofs. We just don't allow shingles anymore. She's applying for a variance to to use um shingle roofing and instead of the tile or the metal roofing. So that's what this is about. I I know. Mhm.
I know. That's why I'm I'm asking the question. So you're asking if she knows about shingle roofing? Yes. I mean, we can ask her, but I mean I'm not sure how many how many residents are experts at shingle roofs is what I'm I'm
saying. I'm saying like her contractor's not here, her roofing guy is not here. You're asking a technical question that I'm sure the resident probably doesn't know the answer to is my is what I'm trying to tell you right now. You probably need a an individual who's an expert at shingle roofing to answer your question about shingle roofing in a
technical manner. That's the only point I'm trying to make. All I know is I had a shingle roof and experienced the problems when a hurricane came. I don't have that now. And that's the only thing I'm thinking about. That's
the only thing I'm thinking about. You want to take the chance on these hurricanes. If you've been here all your life, you know what to do. You know what happens. But if you haven't, um, I just my heart went out because I I I was in a
shingle roof once. I was in an asphalt. I was there. But, you know, everybody has their own taste. Thank you, mayor. Thank you very much. And no, I don't disagree with you. Uh I think it's a great point you brought up. Um member
Lightoot Ward. I was just saying that I don't think the resident I just don't think the resident um will be the one to answer that question. It's a technical question, that's all. All right. I appreciate that. Um anybody else from the council, you guys, or the
committee? Hearing seeing none, going out to the audience. Anybody from the audience will have any comments or questions about this particular item? Yes. Come up and say your name and address for the record. Miss Campbell. Oh, can't hear you. There you go.
or can't hear it. It seems like it's working. Okay. So, Geette Campbell. There you go. Um 175 Northwest 86 Street, Emporal, Florida, 33150. um to regarding her question as the
mayor says I don't know the technicalities of roofing but um again the reason why I came it's because of the different the the the difference in the cost that I am
able to afford at the moment to protect my roof and I have been through many hurricanes with the tile that is on the roof and I did get severe damage before even with tile on my roof. So, as far as
I see it, when it comes to a hurricane, a hurricane does not have ice to see whether it's metal, tile, or a shingle. Um, the hurricane just come and it blows and whatever it's
in its path, strong enough not to go with the wind, it will stay. But if it's not strong enough, I guess it will go. And it goes for any kind of roof. Um, I am here for to get permission
to be be able to make my home safe at the moment. It is not. It is not safe because I do desperately need a new roof and I would like to be able to have the
um permission have the um right have the exercise the right to do so. Basically, I need to be able to exercise the right to secure my home. And right now, it's not secure with all the rain, um the damage to the roof. It's I just
definitely have to have a new roof. I've done tons of repairs and instead of repairing the roof, people the the the the repair people make it worse. They have their own agenda. Doesn't work for me. My roof is at its end. And I
definitely need a new roof and I'm here. Please, please, please, please allow me to change my roof. Unfortunately, I'm not able to do it right now as it is um
because I won't be able to do shingle. I won't be able to do tile. I am here to ask for a variance for shingle so I can exercise the comfort and the privilege that everybody else have
to to change their roof and secure their home. That's all I have to say. All right. Thank you very much, Miss Campbell. Um, anyone else from the from the audience about this uh agenda item?
175 Northwest 86th Street? No. Hearing Noel Pace 206 Northwest 91st Street. Ma'am, I'm very sorry to hear about the situation that you're facing with your home. Do you happen to have any pictures
of your roof or pictures of the leaking inside? I mean, you're you're asking for a change to the a variance to all the other standards that everybody else in the village has to maintain. And I was just wondering if if that's, you know, possible for you to show. I mean, we're
very empathetic to the situation. I am as a citizen and I feel terrible that you're in the situation. But I mean, right now I' I've been talking to roofing contractors and so on myself and I mean there's all kinds of programs for residential houses here where they provide financing. If you have equity in
your home, you're able to borrow, you know, where you don't have to make payments for two years from now. And so just in an effort, you know, and I've taken a lot of feedback from a lot of other citizens that h aren't able to make it here all of a sudden and the quick change of this meeting and the date and time. Um, and so, you know, I I
do think that is probably relevant information here in terms of, you know, of uh of of what you're asking for. So, um, I think that's that's, you know, I think that's fair. I think that may help your case or may, you know, not. I don't know. But I think it's definitely
relevant. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Pace. Go ahead, Miss M. Perilla. Say your name, address for the record, please. Good afternoon and Louisis Pereelas 103 Northeast 89 Street. Um
I just wanted to like I understand your situation and uh and I I know it's you know sometimes we cannot uh you know uh question whether you know the situation uh you know the the financial situations
and stuff like that. But um just a a little note over here from because I know it from a neighbor behind my street that um about four years ago they actually changed from tile to shingles. I don't know how it happened but it
happened. Um, and less than a year she had to switch it back to tiles because her I don't know if it does the designer of your house and whatever, but they they didn't have the they they have bolted ceilings, right? That the contractor wouldn't tell
her that, well, shingles are are going to bring you a lot of heat inside the house and all of that. So sure enough, before a year she had to change it back to tile because they were like burning inside the house because the house wasn't actually equipped for that kind of roof. So you know tiles it's a that's
why when the houses are built they're built within a specific type of a roof. So um and that's why I know a lot of houses around the village have a shingle that's because of a time you know Mayor Nickerson know exactly the date or or
the year when it happened. um they were allowed to actually go to shingles because of a hardship and all of that. Um a lot of people were arguing about uh or you know um of um a structurally um um sound um you know the structure of
the of the property and stuff like that which is not the case because if the house is built with the roof designed to be um uh you know tiles then the the the the trusses and the the foundation of the house will support that kind of roof. Um
so uh you know it is tough because shingles does bring down the property of the value the the property values um it's and you know on on that street for example there's no
one house with shingles um all the way like I said it doesn't you know it doesn't mean like you on this case your financial situation is not um on the right you know on the moment to do that and then you have to actually prepare your house for what you said especially
now we we we approaching the we are in the hurricane season and all of that. So um the sooner the better but just take into consideration the programs that Mr. um Pesh told you about and also the fact that if it you know you don't have the
correct you know um AC equipment or you know um um mechanical um um u design in your house approp you know appropriated for that kind of roof it
could bring you a lot more you know than what you think you'll be solving right now by going with a cheaper roof. Are you understanding? Shingle is half the price of of u tile. Um and um so just take that into consideration. as far as like the
council u on this situation, I know it's kind of tough, but again, as long as um you know there's something to that effect that it's you know like when that happened years ago, it was amend that
particular house right will have to be go back to the original roofing material once it was time to renew. In other words, 10 years from now. And so that's what happened
then. So, and um that's all I have to say. Thank you very much, uh, Miss Pereella. All right. So, um, is that the end of the public comment? I'm going to go back to the um to the committee. All right. So, I mean, so the
first thing I would say is, you know, we do have one uh conditional adjustment going into the council meeting. if this was to pass tonight at the committee level. You guys know she still has to pass at the council level at our council meeting which I believe is on the 22nd. Um
that being said, if you do pass tonight, make sure you see the clerk um because she has to give you the information. Miss Hammonds is not here because you're going to have to eventually come back to like tomorrow or the next day and get a a sign to put in your front yard. But so I think one thing is that we add the
decora roofing materials. um we'll add that to it as like a condition moving to the C um full council um meeting if this passes tonight. Also, I'm not against um I'll see what the rest of the committee thinks, but I'm not against necessarily adding also that moving to the full
council if this passes tonight that you know we do have some some images or pictures um at the full council meeting if that's what the residents want to see because usually when we do do like you know any type of variance and stuff like that we usually do have pictures or images usually of what we're going to be
talking voting on. Um and that could be whatever. I mean, if I if I have to, I'll go out there with my cell phone and go into your house and take pictures and stuff and and, you know, print them out if I have to, Miss Campbell. But I think that's another condition that we might want to think about going into the full council meeting if this passes at the committee level. Um, before I ask for a
motion and a vote, um, last questions and comments from the council or from the committee. I do have a comment about the the pictures part. Uh, maybe just to respect your privacy. Um, maybe if the mayor goes out and and verifies whatever the conditions are and then can make a
verbal representation. I don't know if I would necessarily want a requirement to receive some sort of assistance to be, you know, um, intimate access to the ins and outs of whatever was occurring in in her home. Yeah. Or maybe just from the outside. I mean, I've been to her house before. I
know that, you know, that the the roof on one side had the blue tarp and stuff like that. So, I've been to her house before. So, I know that Council Person Winters, I think, went to her house. I'm not sure if Council person Urban you went to her house also or not, but but yeah, I got you. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.
So, yes, I did visit uh Geette yesterday as you were very kind. You were very nice to my family. They loved hanging out with you and the mangoes were delicious. Um so, right now we are in the third meeting to discuss Georgia's roofing crisis first in May, then June, then
July. And you know, we started as a as a permit issue wi which was revealed that it was something deeper like a system that was failing a person that was meant to be protected. Before I continue, I want to sincerely thank Geette for um bringing this to our attention. Um
you had your roof. I'm just going to basically reiterate what you told me yesterday. You had this tile roof installed about 30 years ago. Clay tile roofs should have a lifespan of 50 to 100 years. So why are we at this portion
right now? We're requiring tile and metal roofs in Elporttowal to protect citizens from this type of problem. So if this roof was permitted and inspected and it's failing, why? So either we have a bad roofer or two we have a bad
inspector or three all the above. Something failed her in the system. Now I did visit her house and I saw the deck portions of her house caving in. Uh I saw water damage that was very visible and evident. Um
and uh it was very clear that she needs another roof. Um we discussed the roof I'm going to give her if she can uh get it installed. So basically right now this variance was a $700 fee which was paid out of our
council members discretionary fund. We very much appreciate your generosity taking care of her. Um and but here's the critical truth. Um, it is not the government's job to provide roof for citizens. Here we are. Um, and she
receives shingle quotes between 15,000 and $20,000 for a roof that is supposed to have a 10 to 15 year lifespan. But when you have one hurricane, it ends up being five years. It could be less. It could be one year. So, there's more than just an aesthetic reason not to have shingles in the roof, but there's also a
reason of longevity and health reasons, obviously. Um, so right now the roof I've offered her is called a Decra stonecoated metal roof. I have most of the materials for her uh house. She would only need to
spend about $5,000 above the actual installation price, which we got for her was $15,500, which is cheaper than installing a shingle roof. This means she would have a stonecoated metal roof that has a lifetime warranty, and she'll never have to worry about that roof ever again. If
there is a problem, she can go back to the company. The company's been around for over 60 years to get a new roof. I'm giving her this roof free of charge if she can um sign a contract with a approved specialist who knows how to install the material. Um it is the number one material in Miami Dade County
with the NOA. It does take 20 screws per square to per um uh per metal piece to put in there. So on her house, she's probably need 20,000 screws to screw it into that deck. and we don't know how much of the deck is still viable. Um, so
I'm going to support amending this variance to uh stonecoated metal. I'd like to change it from decra just stone cold metal in case we have to buy portions from baral. There's and some other companies that make uh versions of this that she can mix with the roof. I'd
give her and but this still stone coated same still same color but maybe more inexpensive and still has the same warranty. Um, is that possible we can add that amendment? Yes. Thank you. So, since we're um talking
about uh this, let's be clear, it is disgusting that anyone would put property values above neighbors life, health, and security. We're talking about a resident who has been failed by the system. She had it inspected. She had it go through permits, and now she has a failing roof. So, now we face financial
hardship, and we're trying to find something that will help her figure out a replacement. Um so we cannot let it appear um let let's not allow the appearance outweigh the humanity of this. Um so remind ourselves um permits are not
protection. Inspections are not guarantees. Code is not quality. It's the legal minimum. This is not an isolated case. And if we ignore it, it will happen again. So tonight we have some choices. Uh, do we hold fast to flawed process and ignore the
consequences or do we move forward with a revised responsible variance that gives Geette a real path forward? So, I'm hoping we'll do what's right and continue to stand behind our residents. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else questions,
comments from the from the committee? Good hearing? Seeing none. Okay. So, then we're moving to uh this motion. This is to pass you guys. Um, Miss Campbell will have to get final approval at the upcoming council meeting, which I believe is on the 22nd. Um, so this
motion right here is the variance for the roof material at 175 Northwest 86 Street. This is upon the condition and adjustment of um, not only with the shingles, adding the stonecoated metal material, roof material, and also we're
looking to possibly add some um, out outer uh, roofing images. Um if not and or a written comment from either the mayor or one of the council or committee members. All right. So those are the conditions. Um do I have a motion to
approve? Motion move. Motion moved by uh member Winters. Yes. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Vice Chair Martin. Madam clerk. May please have roll call, please. Roll call. Um, member Winters.
Yes. Member Lightoot Ward. No. Member Bomb. Yes. Vice Chair Martin. Yes. Chair Nickerson. For you bomb. Yes. Miss Campbell. How you
four to four to one? Motion passes. All right, you guys. Appreciate that. Anybody good in welfare? You can talk about anything at all that you want to talk about from the audience. Anybody can come and talk about anything at all hearing. Seeing none, do I have a motion to adjurnn?
Moved by member Lightoot Ward. Do I have a second? Second. Second by member Winters. All in favor say I. I. All oppose say nay. Hearing none. The planning and zoning committee meeting for July 9th, 2025 is adjourned at 6:55 p.m. Miss Campbell, remember you
still have the big one to pass, which is the council meeting, which we'll have a resolution at that one. U make sure you see the clerk because you have to get more information. All right, and that's the big one. Okay.