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you want but I understand why you w't be down here yeah yeah he he said he would be here in a couple minutes 
so he should be pulling in any minute so I know don't know did you kick him out no she's on it this morning she at her Cheerios so if comes we will yes you do right now I know you need to leave hey I have an order that I need you to yes sir but I was set morning he I just sign in are you g to speak at public 
forum I gu then I need you to fill out at public for good morning morning we call this 
meeting to order the scami County compy   Board August 7th 2024 Madam Secretary do 
we have a quorum this morning yes sir Mr   chairman with six members present we do okay 
do we have proof of publication of our meeting   yes sir Mr chairman it was published on 
August 1st 2024 in the Eskimi County Sun   press okay do I have a motion for approval for 
the minutes from the July 10 meeting so moved   a second second all in favor raise your right hand 
all oppose same sign say none hear none motion has   been approved do we have anyone speaking to 
the public for this morning I believe that we   have one person that is wanting to speak at 
public for I believe he's back there filling   out a form now um if we can just wait a moment 
we sure can if if you'd like I can go over the   rules while we're waiting yes that would be great 
um so please silence all cell phones if you wish   to speak please let the board secretary know in 
advance otherwise raise your hand for the board   chair to recognize your request when the chairman 
calls you to speak come to the podium adjust the   microphone then state your name and address 
for the record you are requested to keep your   remarks brief and factual parties of an issue 
will be granted uniform maximum time to speak   which usually runs between 3 to 5 minutes 
this hearing is considered quasi judicial   conduct is formal and profane or derogatory 
comments will not be t erated we did have um we have a Mr Pedro Perez that wishes to speak 
at public for we're still waiting on his form um I'm sorry that's his name yeah it um it says 
Pedro Perez and and Christopher Brown um if   Mr Perez if you could state your name and address 
for the record please my name is Pedro perz uh my   address is 4912 Sly fet Road Pensacola Florida 
32526 thank you Mr pres yes sir uh Mr Brown is   taking care of his mother and his um wife they are 
dementia uh the doctor and the people that care   for it don't get there until after n9ine so he 
offer he asked me to come over and speak for him   while he get here if you want to wait for him we 
can wait for him if he's not uh because we entered   in an agreement with Mr C um I'm his lawyer and 
uh they have a copy of it I got copy here we have   made two payments one for 10,000 one for 5,000 
I guess he's here now and uh with question to   be able to reate the ability to pull permits so 
we can keep working and pay him okay one second   Mr Bill is this on the agenda no sir it's not an 
agenda item if you recall um at our last hearing   Mr Perez and Mr Brown presented that they had an 
agreement with Mr cal um and at that time his Mr   Brown says permitting privileges were suspended 
right until which time he paid the restitution   in full Mr Brown and Mr Perez questioned if they 
were to make some payments uh could they come back   to the board you all said yes that he could come 
back to the board but it would be discussed and   determined at that time I believe that Mr Perez 
is saying that he has made two payments that   we're aware of one for $10,000 one for $5,000 and 
I think that's the goal today is that he wishes to   have the permitting privileges reinstated Mr K is 
here too so you can um speak about it if you want   to call him Miss legal well my concern is that 
this has not been noticed to the public right   and it's not on the agenda right so it would need 
to be noticed to the public before the board could   have something that they could vote on so all we 
could vote on is that we will will review it but   it would still have to go through the process you 
would even have to vote on that you could just say   put it on the next agenda and we'll look at it 
then okay and that is what this is for is for   you to direct staff to get this as an agenda item 
okay do I have any comments from the board on that   any positions or opinions or thoughts is it okay 
to submit it back to the sure I think it should   go back on the agenda for next meeting possibly 
everybody feel good all right Mr P we will uh   allow it to go back on the agenda next meeting we 
have to have the 30-day notice that's sent out so   we can't just take care of it right this minute 
but we will hear it in our next meeting yeah well   it's very urgent they we go back to work because 
otherwise we're not going to have the ability to   keep paying I understand and uh 30 days is a lot 
of days I understand and I I we're we literally   have guidelines to work by that we cannot get 
outside of so we don't have a choice we have to   have a public notification of this on our meetings 
am I correct Miss Christie correct the um AG the   the public has a right to know what's going to 
be heard before this board so we don't m p if   we could I think there's enough sympathy on here 
that we would do what we can but we just don't   have a choice okay okay I guess we got to obey by 
the rules now I'm sorry all right we'll see but   we will put it on the agenda our secretary put on 
the agenda okay thank you very much thank you Mr pre anybody else in public form uh we want we 
might want to because I saw some some new parties   enter um we might just want to sound the room 
and see if there was anybody else that arrived   for public forum is there anyone else that arrived 
for public forum that has not put your name on the list okay no problem thank you all 
right we'll move into the secretary   status report I have nothing for the board 
today that's probably good news contractor   applications yes so contractor applications 
our first item is Cody Brown application for   examination residential contractor Mr 
Brown are you in the audience today if   you could please come to the podium 
state your name and address for the record Cody Brown address 717 East 
Canal Drive G Shores Alabama 36542   it is staff's recommendation 
that Mr Brown's application be approved motion for approval second do I have 
any questions I have a motion in a second any   questions all in favor raise your right hand 
all oppose same sign send none here none   you've been approved for the testing for the 
residential contractor good luck man thank you our next item is Addison Spence application 
for examination Roofing Addison Spence are you in   the audience today if you could please come to 
the podium state your name and address for the record my name is Addison Spence and 
uh my address is 7941 Susan Land Drive   Milton Florida 32570 it is staff's 
recommendation that this application   be approved motion for approval second 
I have a motion to second I have any questions all in favor say I I'll Raise Your 
Right hands all oppose same sign seeing none   hearing none motion has been approved 
you've been approved for it man all right   next item is David Rogers application 
for examination Roofing Mr Rogers if   you could please come to the podium 
state your name and address for the record David Rogers 3435 Holt Circle Pensacola 
Florida 32526 it is staff's recommendation that   this application be approved okay motion for 
approval second I have a motion and second   to have any discussion all in favor 
raise your right hand all oppose same sign motion has been approved you have been 
approved to take your testing thank you thank you man our next item is Joshua Mayfield 
application for examination Roofing   Mr Mayfield P could please come to the 
podium state your name and address for the record Joshua Mayfield uh 2441 Henry 
greay Road Bona Florida 32425 and it   is staff's recommendation for approval motion 
to approve second I have a motion second I have   any discussion questions I have a question all of 
these are coming back to the same roof in company   I mean this is is this company going no no no no 
no um it's my understanding that Mr Ward is very   supportive of his employees getting their Roofing 
and licenses and uh that they all decided to apply   at the same time and yeah okay yeah just just 
a curiosity fact it's like the whole company's   leaving the business okay good luck man u i I 
have a motion a second yes and discussion all in   favor raise your right hand will oppose same sign 
seeing un hear no motion approve good luck thank   you got some good competition sounds like uh then 
we have Mr Brian Ward application for examination   Roofing as a side note Mr Ward already has a State 
Certified Roofing license uh he would like to also   obtain his license on the local level Brian Ward 
7941 Susan alane Drive Milton Florida 32570 it   is staff's recommendation for approval motion to 
approve appr second any discussion all in favor   raise your right hand I'll oppose same sign seeing 
none hearing none good luck continuing doing what   you've been doing thank you and then also Mr 
ward has an application for Examination for   general contractor um he's still with us and uh 
it is staff's recommendation for approval motion   to approve do have a second second any discussion 
all in favor raise your right hand all oppose same   sign seeing none hearing none motion is approved 
thank you thank you Mr B all of the applicants you   do not have to remain with us for the duration 
of this hearing unless you absolutely want to   um you can get back with our Contractor Licensing 
Division later today or tomorrow to uh speak with   them about uh your testing vouchers and 
any other questions you might have okay okay we move into our probable cause hearing 
yes sir Mr chairman um our first item is Mark   P Nunes doing business as Creekwood Builders 
LLC state registered license number RR 28281   12147 contractor competency board complaint 
number 24434 coom it's in regard to Charles   Day the homeowner complainant at 1202 
East gadston Street Pensacola Florida 32501 if you can recall this hearing actually came 
before the board at our last meeting right um and   the board at that time determined to proceed to 
a disciplinary hearing for this uh specific case   however during that hearing there was a wrong 
or citing of of violation if you look at your   backup uh we have an amended investigated report 
so what it previously had was um 1837 d15b um in   code that is actually a failure to obtain an 
inspection but what the board cited is that   um Mr Nunes never um pulled the uh required 
permitting so we I don't know if if you want   to hear this case fully again or if you want 
to maintain your decision to proceed and just   correct the code violation that was cited it's at 
the board and you might want to ask Miss Christie what uh so it was previously cited as 1837 d15b 
now we've corrected it to C which it should have   been so was notice sent oh yes notice was sent 
um to the respondent um Mr Nunes are you present   today Mr Nunes is not present and Mr day are you 
present today and Mr day is not present they both   were not present at the last hearing yeah we were 
hoping somebody would show up anybody familiar   with this case do you remember you need a little 
summarizing of it I wasn't here so just a quick Su   we have a couple folks that are I can definitely 
do that um so we received a formal complaint from   Mr day um it alleged that Mr Nunes from Creekwood 
Builders received funds for a remodel re rehab   project um and he did not pull uh the required 
permits or perform a any substantial amount of   work um and he claimed that Mr nunz abandoned 
the project so Mr Day's home is located at   122 East gadston this is in the city limits day 
states that he entered in into an agreement for   a renovation in November of 2022 um they began 
some interior demolition work and clean out of   the home in November and Mr Day made payments um 
he states that the financing for the project was   obtained in February of 2023 and he paid Nuna an 
additional $522 44 to obtain the permitting um um   so he he made several payments to Mr Nunes um and 
began working with an architect and an engineer   to design some plans because it started out as a 
simplistic just Remodel and then it grew into more   okay um from April to November of 2023 they really 
didn't communicate much I know that at one point   the engineer reached out to Nunes and Nunes was 
not responsive to the engineer on some information   that was needed for the plans um Mr day um sent 
Mr Nunes some emails asking him if he was going to   continue with the project and if not he would like 
his deposit the initial payments made refunded um   to which Mr day did not get a response um in March 
Mr day reached out to Nunes telling him um he had   an update on the project and when Mr Nunes called 
da da informed him that he would like a return a   deposit and they were going to terminate their 
contract um Mr Nunes applied for the permit with   the city permitting office but never paid for the 
permit and he stated that he never paid for it   because the scope of work was ever evolving and he 
knew that he was going to have to get that permit   updated uh he still did work prior to obtaining 
a permit um so that's That's the basis of the   complaint he and they came to an agreement that 
monies would be returned uh Mr nunz did return   some of the money but there have been no further 
payments made the contract was terminated they   made an agreement for refund and a full refund 
has not been received again permits were never obtained the purpose of our investigation 
is only the permanent issue there any other   additional violations there were um one of 
them was the fact of the permit he never   got the required permitting um we we said that 
there was possibly a violation of mismanagement   or misconduct for the agreement to return 
funds and that was never completed um and   then abandonment because Mr nunz did not return 
to the project in excess of a period of 90 days according to his email he didn't know what 
the scope of work was going to be correct   that's correct that was his statement um 
that it was an evolving scope of work so   did he do any work on the project there was 
some interior Demolition and cleanout work   that was performed I saw the pictures 
was that to be was that required to be   permitted what he did do interior 
demolition work um requires permit   yeah well it depends on the scope of work U 
typically uh it does because there's you know   electrical involved uh definitely if if it's 
loadbearing walls if they're taking loadbearing   walls out more than likely if you start demolition 
before you actually get your building permit I   think Mr Tober is that correct then you do get a 
demolition permit that's correct or you could wait   and uh the permit could include your building 
permit could if you get the full permit right right any reason why neither one of them showed up 
last month's meeting or this month or just that's   correct neither party was present during last 
month's meeting and they are not present today   so are we just re uh correcting the code uh for 
15c that's cor well that was the goal for calling   this back to hearing is that it was cited as B 
and the board voted to proceed to disciplinary   hearing with it cited as B and it should have 
been C and then we would decide today does it   move to disciplinarian or not that was the that 
was the intent do I need to recite all three   of them or just do uh correction case number you 
probably can he just cite case number instead of   to make a to for a motion to be on the floor he 
can cite case number instead of going through   each individual item no that's correct um the 
case number was already read into the record   um but he can make a motion to move case number 
so and so to cor right right without having to   go okay I make a motion to amend the order for 
disciplinary hearing for code section 18-37 d15b   to code section 18-37 D15 C second do I have 
any discussion um just correct me if I'm wrong   you said that we need to um make this amendment 
to the code section but it already was moving   into the disciplinary action correct that is 
correct the board determined to move it into   toward the disciplinary hearing last time 
we just need to correct the violation cited   are we able to correct the violation cited 
and then move forward with a disciplinary   action that's correct not today we cannot 
do the disciplinary hearing today there has   to be proper notice sent for a disciplinary 
hearing and so that would come up at the next meeting okay any other questions all in 
favor raise your right hand all oppose   same sign seeing none hear none motion 
has been approved and we'll be moved   to disciplinary hearing there any way we 
can encourage them to be at these meetings   send them notice so what I will tell you is 
the notices are sent out and on the notices   especially to the contractor the notice 
says that they are required to be at these hearings okay yes sir our next item is Wade 
L Hunter III doing business as Lee Hunter   Construction LLC state registered license 
number RR 28281 12171 contractor competency   board complaint number 24749 coom it's in regard 
to Charles Thomas the homeowner complainant at   622 air Street Molino Florida 32577 proper 
notice was sent to the respondent uh you can   see your backup it was sent certified um Mr 
Thomas are you present today thank you and   are you going to provide testimony for this 
case thank you and Mr Hunter are you present today and are you going to provide 
testimony I mean he's not here I   I was told that he was in the lobby I 
received a message that he was in the   lobby yeah if if you don't mind he might 
not realize just give it a moment get sorry I do not see he's not okay it appears Mr Hunter is not here yeah so Mr Hunter is not present um at 
this time I'm going to have Mr Thomas and Miss   Reber sworn and Miss Reber will remain 
sworn for the duration of this hearing I swear Thomas yes you can have a seat closer 
I know if I needed to come no not yet but yeah   you can have definitely have a seat closer 
he was not sworn in and if you can please be sworn thank you so uh Miss Reber was a 
complaint filed with this board and on   what date was it filed yes it was was June 11th 
2024 and you performed an investigation into the   allegations within the complaint yes I did and 
how long did that investigation run um Mr Thomas   filed the complaint um I investigated between June 
17th 2024 through July 15 2024 and you were able   to communicate with the complainant in regard 
to the complaint filed yes I was and did the   complaintant provide any supporting documentation 
for the complaint he did and it's attached to the   agenda if you can please take us through uh 
which items on the agenda were provided by Mr Thomas sorry I'm having a hard time seeing 
them um so we have a Complaint Form yes a   complaint form we have estimates for the 
project was that Mr Thomas that's correct   proof of payments yes Mr Thomas text 
Communications yes photos of Damages   yes project photos that's correct and then a 
text from a subcontractor that that is from   Mr Thomas staff would request that these items 
attach to the agenda be moved into evidence so   moved that was second second motion is second 
all in favor raise your right hand we oppose   same sign motion is carried thank you and Miss 
Reaper were you able to com communicate with   the respondent about this complaint uh yes I 
was I got a a response to the complaint uh via   email and did Mr Hunter provide any supporting 
documentation for the complaint no he did not and at the completion of the investigation were 
you able to assign any alleged violations to the   complaint if so please take us through your 
findings and a detailed justification for   each alleged violation yes I was code section 
1837 C1 finding that a contractor is guilty of   fraud or deceit or gross negligence incompetency 
or misconduct in the practice of Contracting um   this project revolves around a very large tree 
falling on the Thomas's home back in July um   Mr uh Hunter was hired to repair the damage 
remove the tree and prepare the damages um in   the process of removing the tree um this this was 
an insurance claim uh despite the fact that he was   allotted the ability to use a crane to remove the 
he elected to use I believe it was a skid steer um   ultimately damaging the garage portion of the home 
further um the the project has drug out for quite   some time uh also that um sorry um Mr Hunter also 
did a lot of uh on the on the project he's had no   inspections does have a permit but has uh the 
scope of the work does not cover anything that   he's done therefore nothing has been inspected 
on the project code section 1837 D9 D Contracting   Beyond scope of license a safety hazard is created 
Mr Hunter uh has done wiring in the garage and he   is not a licensed electrician there's no 
permit for that obviously no inspections done Mr Thomas this is your opportunity to   come to the podium and address the 
board in regard to your complaint okay name address and all that yes sir please my 
name is Charles Thomas I live at 622 air Street   Molino Florida 32577 um the tree fell on our 
house July the 9th of last year work started in   September of last year um we have given Mr Hunter 
approximately $55,000 to start working everything   and then it was going to be a final payment of 
whatever it was at the end of work and here we   are in August a year later um I want my house 
fixed I mean I got a my girlfriends and there   nipping at the bits we're both co-owners of it and 
there's um hurricane clips that are still missing   and luckily this storm avoided us and didn't build 
up to anything but who's to say we don't get win   next week and we lose our roof Insurance ain't 
going to cover it and we'll be without a house   and quar million dollar mortgage that has to be 
paid so I'm just trying to get something done here board have any questions seen some the pictures 
there what status is the house in   right now um what does it look like 
right now does it still have a blue   tarp is it no we did um no we did 
have it completely re-roofed um it is so is completely roofed as of right now yes 
it does have a roof on it um but the trusses that   were put in it was stick built trusses they were 
not in the permitting they were not engineered we   have approximately five to six trusses that are 
over the garage that they were um pre-built from   um I think it's tibits Trust Company tibet's Trust 
Company yes sir and um they weren't even like the   garage ain't even in the scope on the permitting 
I'm trying to see that is part of um Mr Hunter   did all of that trust work and none of that 
is noted in his permit and some of the trusses   that are that you see in this picture right here 
that's on the back side of my house mhm um maybe   three or four four trusses like this side of it 
where you can't see it um there's still a broken   truss like it's hard to miss because as soon as 
you open my attic hatch you can look straight   up and see a split truss so according to that 
picture that you just ran by the original house   was a stick frame roof that's what it looks like 
correct yeah it looks like stick stick frame yes   I believe it is they went back with what was there 
kind of what they yeah what I'm looking at stick   stick built right that's not Tres yeah that's 
what I mean stick built right I'm sorry I believe   there was a total of 22 that had to be repaired 
would you have had to get engineering on that to   repair or just go back with what's there what 
would the code depends on how much how much   Dam that would that would be some engineering as 
much cuz I know the main beam running down the   center of the house was busted also and that 
had to be repaired that would definitely be okay and there's pictures of 
electrical wires that have been reworked or in the process of being reworked 
what what's the state of the inside at this point   um well it yeah basically like that right there 
um I'm assuming they're not hot and hooked up but   the garage has no power hooked to it um it's been 
killed at the breaker box this is the condition   it's in right now yes sir and Mr Thomas who who 
did the electrical wiring and that um Mr Hunter   did the Thomases did provide a video something we 
can't attach to the um agenda but we do have that   do seen a um my girlfriend she took a video of Lee 
I told her I was like like you see him out there   doing electrical I'm like take a video of it that 
proves he's doing electrical and there's no one   else there and so she has him on video Bor if you 
would like to um for me to play that video I can   bring that up and play it what up to the guys 
here and then we would have to move the video   into evidence anybody want to see the evidence of 
him I I'm not sure it's necessary take his word   thank you though if there's anything about 
the electrical in the charges and you're   considering that for the probable cause I 
would recommend that you see the evidence   I motion to put into evidence sure we 
need to see it then it's in thank you   m Christie for keeping us longer I mean 
straight she had a motion to move it to evidence she made a motion to move it 
to evidence you want to go ahead move   to evidence you to move into evidence before 
we see it or after we see it does it matter   um it doesn't matter I think you're going to 
do I have a motion on the floor do both either   way I have a motion on the floor to move to 
evidence second and I have a second all in   favor raise your right hand all oppose same 
sign see none hear none motion is approved Mr Thomas if you can please explain what this 
video represents what it is is um Mr Hunter   and the reason how I can tell it is him 
because the surrounder does have a big   old beard and see the big busy facial hair 
right there and also I've seen him on the   camera and stuff that day around the house 
that's him running electrical through the   um appears to be running electrical across 
the um truck with in the garage a second   video I'm bringing it up now there is the 
second one that came to they came together and and some of the text communication um Mr 
Hunter does speak about you know coming to run the electrical and those text Communications are 
part of the backup on the agenda pardon me   does the board have any other questions before 
we I'm I'm sorry part of the evidence already   admitted gotcha board have any other questions 
before we decide what to do with this are we   ready to make a move forward I entain ation I 
I have a question yes sir one question you Mr   Thomas you said there was a roof your Roofing is 
complete it is yes sir um it has been completely   um re-roofed enclosed and the inside we had 
a whole bunch of um or I say a whole bunch we   had some holes so theiling and stuff and it was 
sheetrock but when all the sheetrock got ripped   out their house originally had tongue and groove 
ceilings me and Christina both kind of liked the   older tongue and groove look so we decided to 
go back with that and just had it patched in   and stuff so everything is inclosed closed so 
inside the house the um bathroom still needs to   be the roof over the shower needs to be done 
the shower needs to be reinstalled or a new   shower needs to be reinstalled and the sheetrock 
work around that and trying to think um in the   garage that answer I just wanted to know if it 
was the roof mainly the roofing you're yes sir   it's not leaking no it's not leaking but there 
is um is there a roofing permit can I ask that   that's what I was ask about the inspections have 
you get inspections along the way for this yes um   it there was a roofing contractor hired to do that 
work uh that's part of what caused Mr Thomas to   have some concern um when he got to looking about 
the roof he reached out to the roofer at that   time the roofer had not been paid and there was an 
issue going on however he's since been paid but it   was a roofing contractor who had an affidavit 
inspection and they have that did did pass framing   inspection and all this stuff yet um nothing Mr 
Hunter Mr Hunter has he had any inspections he's   not had any inspections I believe his permit is 
set to expire the 7th of this month okay but he's   yet to change up the scope or or anything any 
other questions can I make a statement on that   just real fast I apologize the roofing contractor 
was paid immediately oh okay it was um apologize   Mr um it was Benjamin the subcontractor was not 
paid he's the one that contacted us saying that   he was going to put a lean on our house and then 
I contacted the roofing contractor when um Miss   Reber provided me the um the permitting and stuff 
and I called him and I was like do I owe y'all any   money but the primary contractor was paid theary 
he said no we have been PA thank you I apologize   for that there is some Tes I'm sorry some text 
messages regarding those other subcontractors that   I have spoken to and still have not been paid any 
other questions all right I'll entertain a motion   of the board's desire I'll make a motion to move 
this disciplinary hearing based on the allegations   presented second I have a motion second all in 
favor raise your right hand I'll oppose same sign   seeing none hear none motion is approved to move 
it to disciplinary hearing thank you thank you Mr Thomas okay we will be moving into the 
disciplinary hearing phase yes sir Mr   chairman this is a hearing for failure to comply 
with final order James B Freeman doing business as   Freeman Roofing State registered license number RC 
0058 058 contractor competency complaint numbers   uh 23112 one23 coom and 23670 coom those two 
complaints were ultimately combined by the board   it's in regard to Nick and Khloe seon the home 
the complainants at 101 South F Street Pensacola   Florida 32502 this is within the city limits um 
if you recall this also came to hearing at our   last board meeting but a request for a continuance 
um was received and the board determined at that   time to allow the continuance um I'll draw your 
attention to the notice for disciplinary hearing   um so we're the this hearing is being called 
because the restitution uh that was assessed   within the final order was not paid in accordance 
with the approved payment plan um on the required   date we did receive Communications that um the 
payment plan was not um upheld basically I know   that at one point there was an appeal filed which 
put a stay on um that initial first payment uh so   we it got pushed to July is when that payment 
should have been made um and that and again we   received Communications that that was not paid 
and remains unpaid um proper notice was sent to   the respondent and I see that the respondent 
is here today along with representation I see   that also the complainants um Mr misson are also 
here um it's at the description of the board on   how we proceed if you would like to hear from 
any of the parties we would need to have them sworn Mr chairman I think wasn't this delayed 
for legal review is that correct I believe that's   correct Miss Christie can help us yes what had 
happened last time is we were handed a copy of a   petition for ciary with the um Circuit Court which 
is how you appeal findings of the CCB if you're   going to go through the legal system as opposed 
to uh filing with the board of or you can do both   they're collateral um the BCC can make a decision 
and send it back to you for further determination   or the Circuit Court can make a determination and 
send it back to you for further determination um   and those are the so what I needed to look at 
was to see what happens in a situation where in   this case as the um as what's been explain to 
me there hasn't been any payments made to see   if this board has jurisdiction to continue with 
uh your decisions um and how you want to handle   that um I haven't seen that any bond has been 
posted I haven't seen that any bond has been   requested so a Stay On These proceedings has not 
been entered so as far as this court is concerned   as far as this quasi judicial hearing is concerned 
you can go forward and that's what I wanted to   confirm thank you Mr Christie I appreciate you 
doing the research there so what we've help me   surmise this up here so what we've done is we 
have went through the disciplinary hearing and   imposed the restitution amount which payments was 
to be made no payments have been made and that's   why it came back to us and then miss Christie want 
to find out so we are back to the situation of no   payments have been made and where do we go forward 
did I put it right Mr Chin our guidelines within   our guidelines yeah that's correct um and we would 
need to look at the status of what the probation   area anytime in um a hearing is requested with 
the board of County Commissioners according to   our munic code there is a stay of proceedings 
a stay of execution of whatever the punishment   would have been in this situation though that has 
passed that that is not a similar situation with   the Circuit Court it has to have been requested it 
was not requested and still a bond would have to   be posted and able to stay any proceedings here 
of enforcement of the of that after after the   hearing that we had with the board of County 
Commissioners right so you can um so she can   bring you up to date on um what the status is of 
so as up the days he should have made payments   three payments as of May June July are the three 
that have not been paid as of well it stayed for   those those first two months and so it would push 
out um to the July 15 so he should have started   making payments and by July 15 by July 15th yes 
the first 10,299 53 that's correct gotcha and no   payments have been received according to so so 
this was brought to the board last month right   because he had not made June's payment so now he 
has not made June's and July I just want to make   sure that's that's clear and the payments are 
paid directly to or into a fund what how did we   decide that so the board ordered that the um 
payments be made via cashier check or money   order straight to the complainant I see where 
we made I didn't know if they were supposed to   turn it in straight to the complaintants or if 
it goes through a okay okay um and and then of   course within your final order if the respondent 
should fail to make payment then the respondent   shall be brought before the board for further 
disciplinary action um and that's open to any   discipline within the County ordinance I can bring 
that up as well if you need me to yeah we need   to see what we what our guidelines are please yes 
sir everybody following us so I think counil here hear M Christie would it be um appropriate okay 
to hear from the council as to their status at   this point oh yes sir I mean a hearing is set 
so if they want to have a hearing then they   certainly can uh present their side yes 
sir may yes sir good morning uh Benjamin   Alexander 811 North Spring Street I'm here for 
Freeman Roofing um just some quick updates uh   in addition to the restitution there were some 
fines my client has paid those um with respect   to the license my client is in the process of 
winding down license and ultimately closing it   uh so he will be closing this this particular 
license that at issue uh any permits that are   currently open under that are being transferred 
to another permit Mr Freeman ultimately is uh   going to segue out and other people are going to 
come in with other other permits um in addition   my client has made an insurance claim based on 
this loss and hope that that will lead to some   funds if that's frankly that's probably our best 
course of action to get some extra funds so that   the section could potentially be made whole so 
that is in the process uh my client has made   that claim uh just one moment and I will tell 
you uh through Integrity Insurance we have a   claim number I don't know if you want me to okay 
trust um so that that's in the process of being   processed uh so we're hoping that that's going 
to be uh processed here rather soon so that there   will be some funds available to to hopefully 
make this whole so that's kind of where we are   right now um the uh the non-payment is not a uh 
uh respectfully it's not a willful non-payment   it's a lack of funds currently uh kind of issue 
uh and so that's why the insurance claim we are   looking for other sources to potentially bring 
some funds in to try to uh ultimately address   this so that's where we are right now okay and 
you understand our position our our place we're   put into here absolutely I understand um the 
council's correct uh no no stay has been granted   uh we haven't requested one yet uh not really sure 
what the Court's going to do with that uh petition   but in any case um like like I said you know Mr 
Freeman understands the the situation so he's   trying to be proactive and trying to address that 
given the circumstances that currently constrain   us right so yes good deal thank you question for 
you real quick sorry what's the timeline of which   you um filed with the insurance company and what 
is soon uh I didn't personally make that claim   I understand it was made sometime in the past 
but I can't tell you the exact date because I   don't have that information with me um in terms 
of of soon again I haven't directly corresponded   with the insurance the plan is for me to kind of 
take that over to hopefully expedite it because   typically when you get an attorney involved 
insures are more prone to address claims   a little bit more expeditiously so um that 
being said it's an insurance company uh you know there's a lot of factors that go into how 
soon a claim would be paid I think there may have   been some talking over I thought I heard Miss Luna 
ask a second question which was something about   information just information as to the insurance 
claim making sure that you know when it was put   in um and then just providing that information 
to make sure I mean I would definitely love to   take everyone at their word but just to make sure 
it is and when it was done that way it can kind   of illustrate and demonstrate the reasoning of 
why the payments haven't been made I can provide   you with a with a that would be wonderful a claim 
number all right so that is going to be 01 BG l224 001634 and then legal advice on that Christie is 
that something that we can get the documentation   of and then put it you could request it of of 
um staff well staff can't get it we don't have   access to his information however you could 
requested of their attorney and they can and   they can give it to him or not that's part and 
I don't know if those Communications have been   made with um have been made with um the seon 
either so those are those are all question I   don't know if they've been noticed they're 
shaking their head no I haven't heard from   their attorney and I can of course contact 
them so request I did ask them to have their   attorney contact me in the last hearing and I 
haven't heard from them yet so so if you want   to request I'd like to make a request for that 
paperwork okay I'll request that from my client   I'll provide what I'm able to under law just 
for clarification so this particular license   is being closed out no new permits correct as 
I understand it uh they're in the process of   transferring everything I believe all but about 
a dozen or so have already completed the transfer   uh and those would be any currently open permits 
and so they're being transferred to a separate   license I don't have that license number here 
with me but I understand some of that was done   previously and uh Mr Freeman indicated he had 
spoken with someone uh here at the county about   that okay any other questions for I have 
one more sorry um now just kind of clarify   for me because I am not a roofer and I'm not a 
contractor but my question is with them moving   the permit situation underneath another license 
are they I know in a previous case we moved for   suspension of taking out permits for future work 
with them doing that is that a way to kind of circumvent sorry I know I asked these I 
can probably assist with that um so what   H Mr Freeman holds two licenses he holds a local 
license and a State Certified license I know that   when he applies with a scambia county he utilizes 
his State Certified license he has kept his local   license up to date and intact you never know when 
you might need it but his applications have his   state certif license number on them there was 
some testimony provided previously that they   thought they had applied with the State Certified 
license on this particular permit to the city we   had requested you know any documentation they had 
in regard to that I nothing was ever provided but   that was the claim at that time um it is the 
belief from Mr Freeman that he thought he had   applied with his State Certified license so any 
action for this whole case would have been made   against his State Certified license which we do 
not have jurisdiction over whenever it's city and   state certified any complaint would have went 
straight to the state so I don't I don't know   that if it's what you think is circumventing I 
think I think the question once you swap permits   to another license then it don't matter what 
we do to this license and that's what we had   on the previous case and that is very accurate 
doesn't you know if if he cancel this particular   license number we still have obligations of 
what to do but the effectiveness of it will be limited thank you that pretty active that is correct thank you any other 
questions in thank you Council so it looks   like uh according to what's on the screen here 
the penalties would [Music] be denial suspension   or revocation to obtain building permits license 
revoking for not less than one year no more than   five years and with egregious circumstances 
warranted permanent revocation suspension for   a period of one year in position of fines cost Rel 
to investigation prosecution probation reprimand   or censor am I accurate you read very well thank 
you so what would be the desire of the board well we don't I I think we have our hands 
tied again you know um in reviewing this   and and realizing this how severe the the 
the penalties are you know I didn't hear   a request from Freeman Roofing as to what 
portion of that would be acceptable which   uh obviously they got representation they 
know what it what it stats I have a hard   time uh allowing uh more per in the county 
with uh the final order not being adhered to and if he uses his state license then what 
we're doing is kind of but if the permitting   is permitting privileges in the county would 
apply to both I believe and apply to both if we I'm sorry so if we sub uh suspended whatever 
permitting privileges would that include the   state license and the residential or just 
the I think you would have to state that   you would have to you know your motion would 
be to suspend permitting privileges for the   for both that's just my opinion for the 
for the county only correct we're only in   the jurisdiction of esami County yeah you could 
revoke that that uh compens card but the state   license uh you could put the provision of uh 
no permitting privileges in scamby County's jurisdiction and I think maybe before we 
do a motion of anything if the seans want   to speak because they haven't been afforded the opportunity okay before we go there we need 
to we need to focus on this because this is   a pretty uh don't mean to to to listen what 
you're saying but I this is going to be a   do we have the authority to step over into the 
state licenser and I'm not I'm not comfortable   with that I think we're talking about suspending 
his permitting privileges in a scam but I think   we can only do it underneath the license that 
we have not the state license so I that's what   we were just discussing back and forth um I 
think you're correct I think you can only do   it against the County License right um uh to 
suspend his permitting privileges cuz this   case is taking this case was filed that's the 
license he used right so sometimes so that's   what allowed us to do the other things the fines 
is because it was against that license however   if you decided all of this will still remain 
a matter of public record so you could even   terminate his license in Escambia County um up to 
that and then anyone who's looking that would put   people on notice which if you'll recall during the 
banks and the cost hearings that we did that was   the largest complaint Tim if you'll recall when 
we did we did a public forum um with b and that   was one of the largest complaints they had is 
they had no way of knowing that there had been   problems with so anything you do is still going 
to remain on the public record of Escambia County   and anyone that does their homework will be able 
to know that there were problems in the city and   that the county took action on it so if these if 
this local registered license was terminated it   will be on the public record that can be seen but 
we can't do anything to affect the state license   including limiting the ability to pull permits 
does is this one that would be referred to the   state or not you referred it but without action 
right so at this point that's already been done   yeah we can refer it to them but then they have 
to decide what to well the original uh referral   was with no action just goes in their records 
and it's a County case I I don't know that they   would have taken any actions any I I can I just 
uh had another meeting with dbpr secretary Miss   melany Griffin who's a very sweet lady but her 
hands are just limited and from the state level   I've been involved with it and it's a mess it's a 
mess there's really good luck on getting much of   anything done so M Mr chair uh clarification 
or request but if if a contractor State LIC contractor question usus sure we will be happy to L going say against legal right should I take a five minute recession think so just a second for okay I'm ready Mr ler yes ma'am what we were 
researching was another area but I don't think   you have jurisdiction in that area um so as far 
as I think what you've got the picture of is   that we cannot suspend his permanent privileges 
for his State register for his state license his   certified license just the local registered 
or I and I say suspend you can also terminate   but you can't suspend we can do anything with 
the local license but nothing to affect the   state but if we do the terminating sorry 
go ahead I I would agree with that with   the exception that um you can have just a state 
license and and do construction or Contracting   work in Escambia County but we can suspend or 
revoke your permitting privileges in this County   with that license we don't affect the license 
but we can suspend the permitting privileges   to protect the citizens of Escambia County this 
board can do that for a state license I'm that's   the way I interpret the code so if a complaint 
is filed against a state license within the   county and it is within the County's permitting 
jurisdiction then yes we have that authority to   suspend permitting privileges the difference is 
with this case the permit was obtained with the   local license and it was in the city limits 
we don't have jurisdiction over the city   limits permitting but we do have jurisdiction over 
the local license had he pulled it with his State   Certified license in the city this board would 
have never heard this case because we didn't have   Lo jurisdiction over the state license or the 
city permitting so that that's the difference here right it would have gone straight to the 
cilb if he pulled it under a state license and   it was a city permit the reason why 
I ended up here is it was the County license if I if I might add if if it if the 
permit would have been issued in the county   with the state license then then we could have 
done it would be applicable but I think thank   you thank Mr Randy good question yeah I think 
Randy understand where you're coming from it's   whether or not scambia County can uh suspend those 
permitting rights and you're saying we can't right   because the license wasn't used we understand that 
portion of it but I thought that scami County had   the authority that if they wanted to suspend 
somebody's licenses even if they weren't used   because of the same entities same individuals but 
if a complaint was made on the state license only   if the complaint was made on the state license is 
what you're saying yes right uh the state license   was not included in this complaint right at all 
um for you to take action against the permitting   privileges of that state license I would think 
that you would need some form of a hearing some   form like because it wasn't part of this complaint 
process so here's what my recommendation would be   because I really want to look at this closer I 
apologize I think as far as you're concerned as   far as the state license the County License that's 
your that's your jurisdiction I want to look and   see if just the permitting office itself the bid 
has the authority to make any actions against   where a state contract license is concerned based 
on cause if they see something that's come before   you that you don't have the jurisdiction over to 
see if the county has any Authority um outside of   your authority to make any decisions because you 
don't have a case in front of you that's against   his state license so I want to check to see and 
so that wouldn't have to I'm going to check to   see if that would even have to come before you 
so if you just resolve the question today as   to the the County license and what actions 
you want to take then we could go from there do terminating the County license at this 
point also I was just double-checking he   doesn't have any permits under the County 
License right now so it would still allow   him to finish the jobs that he has pending 
and still allow him to earn the money that   he needs to earn to pay um to pay back the 
sexon or the insurance to come forward it   would just go public record yeah you would have 
a public record that there had been um actions   against his license whatever those whatever 
the board decides those action should be of   the local license it would not be on the cilb 
website right right just the local website so   do I have anybody want to make a motion based 
on the options of what we are able to do or guidelines denial suspension or revocate R 
revocation of the authority to obtain a build   permit our Authority may be limited to a permit 
of permit spefic conditions license will vacation   revocation for a period of not less than a year 
or more than 5 years with egregious circumstances   Warrington permanent revocation suspension for a 
period not exceeding one year imposition of fines   position of cost related to the investigation PR 
prosecution of this case probation reprimand or   censor restitution to the homeowner contined 
education requirements are combination thereof do I have a motion from anybody on where   this is a tough one I just got a quick question or 
a comment and uh I'm gonna Mr Freeman I'm going to   kind of direct it to you and your counsel I 
I know you're working with insurance I know   you've been doing business in scami county 
for many years uh but what are the chances of   that insurance actually coming through and 
paying off based on the claim that you've made and outside of that you can't start making 
installments and I know you again I don't know   your business end of it I'm trying to uh put 
it in a position where you know the license   gets permanently suspended or permanently 
terminated to where it's on record rather   than just suspending it for a period of time to 
where it gives you the opportunity but we can't   wait on insurance seans can't continue waiting 
they've been in here a little bit over a year   and a half I think we've been having try on 
this case is make some good faith effort to say   this is what we need got one question 
yall on that track do do we need to swer   him in or anything James B Freeman 4201 
Ackland Road pce farter you need to swear   she needs to swear you in Mr Freeman I'm 
sorry sorry about we won't make you swear first yes ma'am sorry James B Freeman 4201 
Auckland Road PST Florida okay if you y'all   can do this and we got other roofers back here 
too they would probably say the same if I go buy   a permit to do a roof from the city they come out 
past the final they come out past the I mean pass   in progress they passed the final and then after 
everything is passed and paid they come back later   because somebody complained and say oh this roof 
is not no good I've been asked in the city all   they have on there is flashing on the bottom 
of the permit I've been asking them I want to   itemize I mean it could I have been up there it 
can't be all the flashing okay I want to itemized   list they will not give me an itemized list from 
the county on what is damaged so that's the reason   it a I mean but that's just I want to get y'all in 
on that y'all can't sell me a license today and go   revote it tomorrow you cannot do that that's the 
same thing the city did with their permit they   should have put an amendment on there to amend the 
permit until we fix whatever had to be fixed the   city never once said it need is new roof my friend 
Mike guy guy Brothers I talked to him yesterday he   said don't need a new roof he' have been on it 
okay and y'all trying to make him put a new roof   on something if it needed a new roof I would have 
did to start with and y'all just keep bringing me   down here embarrass me and in front of my buddies 
and all but Mr that's all I got to say that's fine   well and again we're not in any jurisdiction 
how to do before you Freeman um I'd like to   just address you uh from I want to say behalf 
of the board we do not want to embarrass you at   all that is nowhere close we respect you and your 
years of service in this community okay I want you   to please understand that that that is not I know 
it's not mine I really can't speak for everybody   in here but I'm telling you Mr Freeman I respect 
you and that is 47 years without having any kind   of problems we work we do a million dollar jobs 
that Bas and they love our work they will only   hire us I totally respect you and I'm sorry that 
this job derailed and went the way it did because   oh some it's my fault I know my myself I've 
been in 40y year ring too and it it it's it's   but this roof does not need a new roof and 
I'm not challenging that I just want you to   walk away knowing that there's nobody with an 
agenda up here and there's nobody out to get   you or embarrass you or anything these are just 
guidelines that we have to go by Mr Freeman okay   put me in the it's been put me down about the 
last three months and I hate that I sincerely   do it just on a personal do roof and heart I I 
try to take care of my customers that's first   thing it ain't about money a't about money 
if they need a new roof I would put one on   there they don't need a new roof but that's what 
well you've had a good name for years and I will   tell you the time I've been on this board this 
case has drug out the longest of any because we   have tried with everything we can some of these 
other guys been here the state somebody did file   with the state because I got a letter from the 
state they said that we we there's nothing the   state is not involved they said the state we 
we there there's no issues with the state I we   don't do I just want you to know that there is no 
intention to publicly embarrass you at all none   well it's just sort of hard you know we on TV and 
I understand and I have when I leave here today   I have 10 customers call me which they respect 
me they voted me again this year my customers   V me best in P VIP I saw that okay and we do 
respect you we put it in for for four years   it's been out five years and didn't even have 
a roofing division in there we didn't want to   invented the roofing division we had to go against 
General Contractors we beat bar construction out   the first year and we have won four out of five 
years that has been you have a very good name and   that's why I want to make sure you know that there 
was no intention up here I think I know these   folks well enough that there was nothing of that 
thought pattern at all we were presented with some   evidence and we had to make actions but it was 
no ill intent well it's just hard when I go and   y'all putting this on TV I mean I don't see where 
that's time out we're not we're not putting on TV   these are public uh meetings that are required to 
be done this but y'all hurt yourself cuz I I had   a lot of customers calling me complaining say man 
that ain't right what they doing to you and they   call me every day we're not going to lose a job 
over this and I'm glad I'm glad we again we just   only have guidelines to work with and that's all 
and that's what I want to make sure you understand   that nobody up here has an agenda his daddy right 
there one to talk you know I started out working   with his daddy yeah he was a great man yeah Mr 
Charles and uh he always taught him and Edwards   Ru is the ones I sort up yep looked at I tried 
to follow their right their deal and Mr Charles   he always tell me you know what to do here then 
I started subing from him a little bit and uh he   just believed and do it right and that's the way 
we do it and uh like I said Mike knows if that   roof was bad I would replace that roof and you've 
had a great name for years and you will continue   you will this will not can't understand why the 
city cannot give me a item don't you agree they   should give an itemized list tell me what's 
damaged I know every piece that flashing is   not damaged I know that yeah and they canot give 
me that list if I can we don't control that part   so that's thank you Mr I just want to make sure 
you heard us say that appreciate yall I apologize   heard yesterday but I was he did I was being I 
got back on some pills that sort of calms me down   you've been under a lot you really have so um and 
Mr Patel to answer your question uh I I can tell   you this uh doing all this is is not inexpensive 
for my client uh certainly my representation uh   you you haven't seen any of my uh fee bills but 
you saw Mr trewick and uh you know these things   uh lead to a lot of of fees and costs um the 
reason we're making the insurance claim again   if they just had money to start stroking checks 
and make it so we don't have to come down here uh   deal with additional disciplinary proceedings and 
more importantly pay me they do so um it's just   an inability right now it's a cash flow problem 
uh so we're trying to get funds however they can   they're trying to wrap up a project they have 
uh that they've been working on since last year   a larger project that that we're hoping we'll we 
uh uh finish uh to our satisfaction and get some   funds there as well as the insurance claim and 
again that's the way to free up funds so that   we can potentially pay them back uh obviously 
again like I said if if they could just make   the payments in the meantime to keep everything at 
Bay that would probably be less expensive for them   and would address the seon's claim uh the reason 
they're not doing that it's a cash flow problem so understand that it was mentioned earlier and 
I think before Miss Christie we   step into this uh would like to allow the 
section since they are here if they would   choose to you don't have to just know 
uh out of respect for you guys being here and you'll have to start swearing [Music] again I swear um Chloe and Nick ston 101 South 
F Street Pensacola Florida 32502 um I just want   to say thank you for letting us come in again um 
I feel like I'm here every month um on the first   Wednesday of the month it's like in my calendar 
forever now um but yes I the the strain of this   has significantly impacted our business my mental 
health my husbands um it is embarrassing for us to   have it televised it's just part of doing business 
um but yeah we haven't had any communication from   them haven't heard about the insurance that's 
the first of me hearing it today they have our   phone numbers emails John's email would have 
loved to hear about that before today um but   yeah no no payment has been made even a part 
paral payment anything would be great um we   are about to have to make a massive payment to 
put a new roof on so any payment would be great   even $1,000 just to say like hey we are in good 
faith going to make it right um to my view they   are doing charity work they are continuing to 
operate businesses normal there are new ads   on vehicles there's nothing that I can see that 
shows that they are going out of business or not   able to make money um that's just my observation 
so thank you thank you thank you guys M Christie   I think when we started chasing this you were 
making a statement about looking into this what   I was recommending is the board go ahead and make 
their take their actions today and I'll continue   to look to see um what's the best path forward 
as far as the building inspections department   um we certainly you know there would have to be 
some type of cause and so we would wait on the   board to make any types of decision and that's 
if there's anything that building inspections   has any Authority as far as the state permitting 
privileges but that's going to take more research   than um than I'm finding right now I'll also be 
looking into the county code on it um I found   it in other counties but I haven't found what I 
was looking for in this one good deal thank you   Miss Christie so we're back to where we were 
I will entertain a motion from anyone just anybody of where to go from here just so 
you know if you do make the decision um   depending on what you decide if you put 
a suspension on on the licensing um or on   the yeah against pulling any permits under 
that license then then eventually that that   suspension would terminate um however if you 
put a a termination with the conditions that   it can't be reinstated you also have that 
as as an option that it can't be reinst   without payment so that kind of would force the 
compliance um if he ever chose to come back and   get his County and that does happen as you saw 
today there's somebody who's a state registered   roofer contractor and he wants a local license 
so that does happen um it can go both ways it   was one of the gentlemen that stepped up Mr Ward 
now a question for you chrisy because I know Tim   mentioned it earlier saying to put in a provision 
for the state is that something we also have to   add in the motion we do a recommendation to the 
cilb according to the last line here in front of   you the board shall issue a recommendation penalty 
for Action by the cilb which will include oops   you just move it I I and the reason I did that is 
because you already issued a recommendation to the   C and your recommendation to them was no further 
action that was a cool way to cut me off MH   um yes at this point and I I think Mr Freeman is 
correct he said he got a letter from the state CB   saying that they don't have any uh jurisdiction 
over it um that's just something we we have in   there um once again we can talk about more on the 
cilv later so we're back to what do we do on the I I don't feel suspending his license I know we 
got to do something but suspending his license   not going to help anybody I mean he's been in 
business a long time and he does good work the   only thing I know he did wrong he did not put 
the Fasteners in the right specification of   the manufacturer specification um I I've been 
by and looked at the roof now I've not been   on it but it looks like a really good roof um 
but it still puts us as on the board in a bad   situation because we have to go by the rules 
so I wish he would make some kind of payment   arrangement any kind of payment arrangement if 
it was weekly you know what I mean but I'm not   you know what I mean he hasn't so I don't know 
know what to do and I feel for him because he   is a good roofer has always been a good roofer 
sir U and still is a good roofer he has never   tried to cheat anybody out of anything um so but 
we are as a board I'm you know I'm I'm at a lost   you know what I mean so on there I'm not sure 
I need help I guess totally understand so Mr   bachelor there was a payment arrangement made 
um and that is why we're here is because he   did not make the payment just just and it 
was requested by his own representation for   a payment arrangement back then so just want to 
make sure that you were aware I didn't request a   pay arrang or I think it was a party I believe it 
was Mr Freeman that requested it you w it we did   not you did you asked for it to be longer than 
a period of 90 days I specifically remember that   yeah I didn't ask for I didn't propose any kind of 
payment plan I asked for it to be extended for a   longer period of time you guys did the monthly 
plan I think that's the same interpretation of   making it longer just spreading out right just 
very clear though I I think purely going off of um the evidence going off of code going off of 
just the black and white as stated and coming   from a very unbiased stpoint and just looking 
at the evidence of it all and going listening   to the recommendation of Christie I would say 
motion for uh termination of the license that   way it goes on the record and then not being 
able to pull permits under that license so are   you presenting a motion for permanent termination 
I'll make a second so we can have discussion okay   there's a motion on the floor with a second and 
we ready for some discussion for a permanent   can see do you want the public you want the public 
to see that I think that's just a strategy play   that they're using that they're going to use 
the other license but it still doesn't get the   Saxon paid by us terminating his uh license um and 
we'll just discuss this out for a few minutes um   I'm more along the lines of suspending it until 
restitution has been made um that way it keeps   that pressure on him and then I don't know if we 
can't legally not come back after maybe a 30 day   or you know two months from now and see what the 
update is with the insurance knowing that we're   kind of going above and beyond our scope of uh 
responsibility to making sure that they're getting   paid and they're making true on their compensation 
based on insurance because what if the insurance   declines it uh you know if the insurance declines 
it and then Mr freem decides he's just not going   to pay then definitely we need to revoke the 
license and you know you know go you know   guns loaded but if that isn't the case and I don't 
think that is the case I think it's the case that   you know if we can file into Insurance let's file 
it um so that that's the only reason that you know   maybe kind of talk that out a little bit and see 
if that would work and again everybody's listening   and I'm I'm we're here to help the process and 
to get the claimants paid so that way you know we   don't ruin a reputation of a 40-year relationship 
that we had with scambia County uh we know it's   a oneoff um you know so that's the reason why 
I'm bringing this up and being in scambi County   since 79 you know we know a lot of people we know 
things happen in business and these new roofers   that are here today understanding that there's 
things that are going to happen and you're just   going to have to put your business sense on and 
not a roofer Sense on and figure out what's the   best solution to get to where we need to get 
to where you continue doing business and you   don't lose that reputation because once you lose 
that reputation it's it's hard to build back up   um so uh that's just kind of my comments on the 
direction I was leading very good so do you want   the motion withdrawn and to make a motion we 
can either withdraw it or we can vote it down   and then submit a new motion if the board is 
in agreeance is what I'm saying I'll make that motion and and General Car yes I would agree you 
know I agree with that I would prefer to withdraw   it that way if we come back I agree we can re I'll 
withraw the motion so all right the motion has   been withdrawn so just so you know that you can 
only suspend it for a year correct um so if you   get no action within a year then you're right back 
you're right back here yeah but I think that that   was the suggestion to give like a 90-day window to 
re revisit it I think that's where we were going   so it would be the motion would be to uh suspend 
until restitution has been paid now I know we're   saying a year but if it takes I mean hopefully it 
won't take a year to pay it off but within a year   we can allow the license to go back inactive 
active sorry not inactive they're debating so so it says suspension for a period not 
exceeding one year correct can we add along   to that sentence Miss legal can we add to that 
sentence or can we just put it on the docket for   six months 90 days to review it because it's not 
to exceed it's not saying a year so right right   you could suspend it for a shorter time and 
then if he terminates it you can't bring it   back there's nothing to bring back I I think we 
understand that but if it's going to terminate   it he's going to terminate it right I'm just 
saying this is just we're given an opportunity   to get this worked out to where it's it's an 
acceptable for everybody including us uh you   know sitting on this D that we're trying to do 
the right thing because if we're suspended and   you know then that's it it's done if you suspend 
it or terminate it terminate sorry we terminate   right we can't go back and say oh the termination 
is lifted correct with suspension we can you could   you could you could lift a termination oh you 
can yeah so the termination can be up to 5 years   unless there's egregious circumstances which is 
a permanent termination so you also have that   within your um within your abilities to do that 
he's still pulling permits he's still working   because he's got that state license so you're not 
going to stop him from working so maybe amend your   motion to termin it until restitution has been 
paid it's with withdrawn so if you want to make   a new one I'm as the chair I need to be careful 
of you know I'm not going to make a motion period   but um terminology is very important here and the 
word termination is a pretty strong statement I'm   wondering if with it as well just listening to 
the recommendation from Christine what she was   saying is if it's more of having it on the record 
as such so that way the public is educated just   because of the prot the citizens that's I'm just 
in that ve discussion of it there's one time in   40 years something years right so how much which 
I think she's CU just going off of banks that was   way more he a two different cases I know but 
just going from know what she was saying in   protecting the citizens that's the only thing 
so you can recommend a motion or tell us what   motion you're wanting to make and we can make the 
motion for you so do I have a motion excuse me Mr   chair I think there's a motion on the floor we it 
was withdraw hey is didn't you make I didn't make   the motion recommended that I make a is motion 
thank for clarification Mr Randy we need to get   this thing finished out so did you want to make a 
motion now or yeah I'll make a motion to U suspend   until restitution has been paid and then bring 
this back up within 90 days from now I'll second   you'll have to put a time limit on it suspension 
is only up to a year said 90 days 90 days okay to   re revisit it in 90 days okay so is that okay you 
can do whatever you want you're the board I'm just   making sure you understand that you can't just 
do a suspension until it's paid you're limited   to a year so if he chooses not to pay it then 
we're right back here where we started and I'm   just so the motion for 90 days with it coming 
back to the board can we bring it back to us I know um so you you're giving him 90 days 
to make the payment and you'll reinstate   his license is what you're saying if he if 
he gets it paid within 90 days all of the money all restitution to be paid because if it's 
going after insurance there should be no payment   schedule so all restitution should be paid within 
90 days you can certainly do a 30-day suspension   I mean a 90-day suspension and there's no reason 
not to I mean they could certainly require him to   make the payment full restitution within 90 days 
and a suspension until 90 days that would be the   motion and if that's not met it would come back 
to the board correct right gotcha gotcha okay   well his license would reinstate right so I 
have a motion on the floor that's what I'm   his license would reinstate but if he doesn't 
make the restitution within that 90 days if he   doesn't make the restitution within the 
90 days and his license reinstates and   that's the there's no suspension it's I guess 
that's why I'm not making it clear let let me   clarify this thank you let me clarify this this 
matter is being I mean I mean his his suspended   license would be reinstated and that would be 
the end of this you would have to put that it   would come back to the board for further action 
you you can't just say hey a suspended for 90   days or until he said for it to come back to the 
board to come back to the board in 90 days right   is that a is it viable for it to be 90 days 
and if it's not paid in 90 it comes back to   the board not that it's reinstated it comes 
back to further action than what I know this   is getting very convoluted what I think you 
could do is pay it within within 990 days or   AO you know as a suspension if he doesn't pay it 
within 90 days it's an automatic termination and   it doesn't come back it just terminates okay if 
if that's what you I mean I don't know what your   goal would be in 90 days if he doesn't pay the 
money and so maybe that's a discussion you need   to have in 90 days what's what's it going 
to be your solution are you going to extend again good point well I think there's a couple 
things going on here and and it's it's hard to   sit here and and and advise what I'm trying to 
help you understand is that you have two duties   here you have one duty to the to you know you 
have a duty to the public and you have a duty   to follow all the rules and so you have to weigh 
those and when you're weighing those where does   that put you on your decision making in this case 
so are you going to keep bringing this back as as   they explained the first Wednesday of every month 
they just plan on being here um so are you going   to keep bringing it back or you going to give them 
closure give this case closure and that's what I'm   that's kind of where I get so I'm trying to give 
you that instruction you know figure out what   you're going to do at the end of 90 days before 
you cut this one loose yeah no I appreciate that   I think that's what my intent is to do that 
by just closing it today there's no guarantee   that they're going to get paid I'm hoping that you 
know this uh these discussions we're having today   motivates that they're in the right path to get 
it paid and not just to circumvent it and start   the other company and just you know let this thing 
tie on for six months or years or three years and   they don't get paid we'd like to follow through 
with I would certainly like to follow through   with it and say that they get paid now that 
we know insurance and involved and we can ask   for documentation and again I know we're kind of 
dragging this case out but uh there's some content   behind the case that's the only reason that I'm 
recommending that we need to look follow through   and make sure that the restitution does get paid 
and I I mean I feel comfortable that it will get   paid but that's just me personally speaking right 
um again with the reputation that Mr Freeman's got   in town uh if he chooses not to get it paid then 
you know that's on him uh then you know he'll have   to provide explain to his clients what happened 
and what didn't happen but right now if we just   terminate the license uh then we're done they have 
no recourse other than whatever they have at least   they have an opportunity to come back and we 
can see that if it has has not been paid and   continue monitoring his other license too when 
I don't know if we can do anything but it's to   try to get them paid so so I think I I agree 
with you we can do the suspension for a period   of time but I like the suggestion that we have 
at the end of a year atend of six months it's   terminated if he doesn't make it or come back 
to us with some type of plan agreeable to the   plaintiffs in this case so I think the concern 
is that if we just do the 90 days it'll just re   go back and reinstate it so if we do it a 
suspension for a period of time and if not   paid termination they have the opportunity to 
come back in the meantime to say what they've   worked out so I think with what christe said 
maybe the recommendation be that 90 days and   if the restitution isn't paid in full after the 
90 days then termination of the license and you   could do that as an automatic termination you 
may want to hear from uh the the parties um   at least the defense Council um but you could 
do that as an automatic termination and then   doesn't come back and you don't you know all all 
they have to do um all the sexon have to do is   contact Jennifer and Jennifer can contact them 
say we didn't receive anything and then at the   end of the 90 days it would just be an automatic 
termination and no one has to come back no more   hearings the seon still have a civil and they 
know that they have a civil option in this case um   they're they're aware of that that's they do have 
councel that can advise them in that area um but   as far as enforcing giving him the opportunity to 
pay it I I I get what you're saying but the board   is just really Limited in your ability to force 
payment well he has he has time within that 90day   period to come back before termination kicked in 
to appeal or make a Rec right he could bring if   if he's met the requirements of whatever you set 
those requirements to be corre that's always an   option to come back all right let me try making a 
motion so make a motion for suspension for 90 days   uh with automatic termination of the license and 
the restitution to be paid within that period of time second okay for clarification just for a 
second suspension for 90 days and if the restit   restitution is paid there's no termination 
or the way you just said it termination is   period if the restitution is paid then there's 
no termination okay so I have a motion on the   floor for suspension of the permitting privileges 
for 90 days upon which time restitution would be   made and if not license would be terminated 
correct is that correct that's correct okay   everybody understand that and I have a second to 
that Mr Bill second to that okay so is everybody   clear where this shook out okay any questions 
I think we've had plenty all in favor raise   your right hand two three four all opposed same 
sign okay the motion is approved and enforced real close I'm not to make sure the seans 
understand what they've decided is that   he has 90 days to make full restitution if he 
doesn't make full restitution then his County   License will terminate if he does make full 
restitution the suspension will lift if he gets   it done ahead of time before the 90 days then the 
suspension will lift and he will still have his   County License okay so you can take it off your 
month your calendar next month hopefully okay   okay any other business I do have something um 
for the board Mr Bill needs to leave he doesn't   have to be here okay okay thank Mr B thank you 
just so you know um another um hearing has been   filed with the board of County Commissioners 
on the the complaintants are the Moody yeah   the complaintants are the Moody and they have 
filed an appeal of the decision that was made   in the lavada case so it set for September 5th 
I believe so I'm going to need you uh Mr lisst   what do um I'm going to give you I'll give you 
that further information but it's the next board   meeting I'm gonna bring it up she's pulling it up 
now so I just want to make sure you're aware this   is not being filed by Mr lavada this has been 
filed by the complainants The Moody is that   the last so um and their argument is from what 
I can see is not that the board didn't make the   correct decision it's just that they didn't punish 
them enough so so it's on a Thursday it is on a   Thursday day after our meeting on Wednesday that 
is correct it is an evening meeting on September   5th September 5th if you can just keep me CCE 
on the email if I can make it I'll certainly be   there sure and we we can make the whole board 
aw that everybody so everybody can I know you   were there last time anybody wants to come come 
join the party and I'll be in touch with you   directly Mr L so we can sit down and go through 
the case File perfect it's only how I get to try cases okay any other business if not meet