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That's what I do. Yeah. They can't in a rainstorm. Well, yeah, but it would be kind of cold. But how great is it that these I'll just knock I'm not going to dig that thing out right now. Good morning. We are going to call this meeting to order. of the Scammy County Compy Board December
3rd, 2025. If you would, let's all stand and pledge to the allegiance to the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Madam Secretary, uh, please silence all cell phones. If you wish to speak,
please let the board secretary know in advance. Otherwise, raise your hand for the board chair to recognize your request. When the chairman calls you to speak, come to the podium. Adjust the microphone. State your name and address for the record. You are requested to keep your remarks brief and factual. Both parties of any issue will be granted uniform maximum time to speak usually runs between three to five minutes. This hearing is considered quasi judicial conduct is formal and profane or derogatory comments will not be tolerated.
Thank you madam secretary. Do we have a determination of a quorum today? Yes sir, Mr. Chairman with all members present. We do. Thank you. Thank you everybody. Thank you, Mr. Nash, for taking care of last month. Thank you for that. Do we have proof of publication? Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. It was published November 27th, 2025 in the Pensacola News Journal. Good deal. Do I have a motion for approval of minutes from the October 1, 2025 meeting? Make a motion.
Have a motion and second. Second. And a second. All in favor, raise your right hand. All oppose, same sign. Seeing none. Hear none. Motion is approved. Do we have anyone for public forum? I receive no speaker request forms. However, you may want to pull the audience. Okay. If anybody is here to speak during the public form, you're welcome to. We do limit to a threeminut time frame for the sake of time. Is anyone here today to speak for during the public forum? Seeing none, we
will move on to contractor applications. Morning guys. Good morning sir and good morning board. Our first applicant to appear before you today is Mr. Anton Berishev. Mr. Beerv if you will please come to the podium. State your name and address for the record sir. Good morning. Good morning everyone. Uh my name is Anton Berishev. Uh my address is 5997 Bourne Drive Pensacola Florida 3254. Mr. Beerv appears before you today requesting approval to take the underground utility contractor
examination. Mr. Mr. Beerv currently holds a general contractor's license and is using uh the time that he has held this license to verify his experience. He has held this license since September the 4th, 2020 to the present, totaling 5 years, 2 months, and 29 days of experience. He can utilize this experience based upon state statute 489113 subsection 3D, which states that a general contractor shall not be required to subcontract the construction of main sanitary sewer collection system, storm collection system, or water distribution systems. uh not including
the continuation of utility lines from the mains to the building and may perform any of the services on public or private property for which a license as an underground utility and excavation contractor is required under this part. Uh because Mr. Beerishv will be utilizing his experience as a general contractor, staff will defer to the board for the approval or denial of this application. Mr. Bench, would you like to address the board this morning? Anything you would like to tell us? Well, I I just want to extend my um my job and started to do the underground utility
uh job as well for my projects. That's basically why one of the most important stuff why I wanted this uh license. Okay. Your experience level is showing that you were working with Delta Max Incorporated. Yes. Is that right? Which is a certified general contractor. Yes. And your experience working with them is storm water retention products, manhole installation,
sewer type installation. Is these items are the ones that is not licensed under a general contract. Is that correct? So, Mr. Beerv holds the general contractor's license, which allows for him to do these things under his license. He's wanting to get the license um to allow him to do them on projects that he is not contracted for. So, CGC, he can do his own on his own projects, right? But now he wants to be able to do this as a sub for others. So, your
experience is on his own projects is what it is. Correct. Just wanted to clarify that's all. Yeah. Board have questions. Yeah. But you hold a GC license, correct? It's under your name. Yes. Yes. That's my license. Any other questions? Motion to approve. Have a motion. Do have a second. I'll second it. Second. I have a motion
in two seconds. All in favor, raise your right hand. All oppose, same sign. Seeing none here, none. Motion has been approved. Congratulations. And I appreciate I appreciate everybody. Yes, sir. And next, so our next applicant to appear before you is Mr. Curtis Mcofflin. Mr. Mclofflin, if you will please come to the podium and state your name and address for the record, sir.
You guys hear me? Okay. Kurt Mclofflin, 1280 Mahogany Mill Road, uh, Pensacola 32507. Uh, Mr. Mclofflin appears before you today requesting to take the building contractor examination. Uh, if you recall, Mr. McGofflin did appear before you originally October the 1st, and it was the pleasure of the board to request more documentation uh, from Mr. Mclofflin documenting his experience in the field. Since the October date, Mr. Mcofflin has provided the additional documentation as requested by the board. To recap, he originally appeared before you with five years,
5 months, and 18 days of experience working under license holder Thomas Paleo, who holds a general contractor's license in the state of Oregon. Mr. Puo's lensure information was included in the packet for your reference. I was able to reach Mr. Poo via phone, and he did confirm Mr. Mclofflin's employment, stating he was a great problem solver, uh, financially, fiscal, with jobs, and was very dependable and competent with his hands uh, with hands-on construction. The applicant uh did provide or the application provided now has an experience verification form for additional experience. The new form states Mr. Mclofflin worked for inline commercial
construction from December 3rd of 2006 to December 1st of 2009 totaling 2 years and 11 months. The license holder was Mr. Brandon Flint. Uh Mr. Flint was contacted via phone. He stated the applicant was hired as a carpenter and framer by trade. uh he was hired for this role and did work his way up to a foreman in the company. While with the company, Mr. Flint stated he was involved as an assistant superintendent and was heavily involved uh in medical center alterations. Mr. Mclofflin provided additional documentation for this experience after the agenda was published. Um I
did clarify with Mr. Flint that the job names and photographs provided in this documentation were completed under inline commercial construction. Uh this documentation was printed by staff and then pending your approval to distribute it to the board. We do have that documentation ready. Would anybody like to see that documentation or just a we have a motion? I need a motion. A motion to distribute the documentation. A second. Second. I have a motion. Second. All in favor raise right hand. All pull same sign. See none here. Motion is approved.
Uh contained within uh this packet will be descriptions of commercial projects that were overseen by the applicant with the corresponding photographs. Uh a detail of his job description and duties are also included on the newly provided experience verification form. Staff also included the license information for the qualifier for inline commercial construction incorporated. Because this application is returning before you with the documentation requested for consideration, the board will defer or staff will defer to the board. uh for approval. Thank you.
And if you give us just a couple minutes for us to peruse this just to Absolutely. So these images that you're showing, so what role did you play in the construction of these images? There's a a multitude of projects there including a large list of medical projects that I've completed. Most of these projects are either most all these photos are either in the midst of the project or finish of the project. Um that I was either the superintendent or project manager on
Mr. Flint was uh Brandon Flint is the son of the original owner. Uh all these all these pictures are of a completed projects. I don't see anything in the in the images which is you know halfway through a project start of a project from foundation to ground up. I would I can provide another three or 4 thousand photos off of my phone but and to be concise like this is what the project was um showing. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that. So, another thing is you're asking for a
building contractor's license. And then I see on your uh experience verification. It says light commercial. Multifamily. Uh you know, you've got down you've got residential rehabs, multif family, then light commercial is what we call it in Oregon where I'm from is like commercial. Anything five stories or less. So, um, my mistake for just the the words that we're using, but, uh, from the Mr.
Mclofflin, can you do us a favor and speak up? I see she's kind of struggling to hear you. Okay. I have a paralyzed vocal cord. Sorry. Um, the Salem Amulatoratory Surgery Center was from design uh to really infilling wetlands all the way into um the engineering creep scopes watching after we redistributed dirt and filled. And then they, you know, put the plates in with the biles and
watched how much they sink for 18 months to decide how big pilings and how big footings needed to be all the way through finishing that project. Uh the PG couldn't get power there for 3 months because of the size of the power that that building needed. They weren't prepared uh to do that. So, we actually finished that building with a generator so that we could get all the finishes without having them um having it all conditioned since our temperature there is much more varying even though it's freezing cold here today. um through to walking through with DHS to get that
hospital that surgery center approved uh for final but projects in existing hospitals the NICU's um all phases from start to finish typically we would I I've started with architects on initial design with owners to uh just doing TI's and fit outs retrofits from uh cell own stores. I I did I spent a big focus in in medical for about 15 years. So starting with inline actually
turn trades that were push it. There you go. It's ready. Can you describe some of the trades that were involved with your work in these projects? All trades as as a GC. I started life as a carpenter, Hallmark Interiors, um doing commercial metal studs, mostly interiors. Grid was probably my specialty there for about eight years before going on to inline. uh starting as a carpenter working my way up into a PM role. So dealing with all the trades.
So from underground work, excavation, um steel fabricators, the drywall electrician, low voltage, uh man what? Cat 3, Cat 5 to fiber. I mean the the evolution of kind of all that HVAC finishes um all the case work all the way to um the accessories you know uh on a commercial project that's a a huge piece of the the role that's always at the end and uh that stuff's all
long leader items. So if you wait until uh you're you're needing it you're a little behind the ball. So, including restroom partitions, which are ridiculously expensive and take forever to get as well. So, um all of them uh I I I have a list of when I go into a uh I have I have a on my laptop the schedule that kind of has all of our um all the all the things that we pre-order or or get approval for for um the submitts and then acquisitions and typically how long they take. I'd
have to go back and look at that listed. I keep it in that on my schedules just so I can go back and remind myself making sure that I'm getting all those long lead items hit. Um 2012 13 we started having issues with lights. You know they stocked them all until the economy crashed and then all of a sudden like hey we need order some lights and it was like oh we're going to bring that stuff in from Could you speak to the mic a little I don't mean to be I know you're have a throat situation but yeah we want to make sure she can hear everything clear to that's all. Thank you.
Does that answer your question or Yeah. Yeah. Basically um your projects in in involve all the trades from you know earth work to final completion. So you do um you get into structural mechanical electrical all facets of the construction. So yeah that answer my question. Yeah, I I am not an electrician or a plumber or an HVAC person, but having worked around them and and near them on a near daily basis for 35 years, um I'm pretty
good at seeing what needs to be done and solving the problems for them as well. So, thank you. Have any questions? Do I have a motion from someone? Motion to approve. Do I have a second? I'll second. Okay, I have a motion and a second. Any other discussion?
All in favor, raise your right hand. All oppose, same sign. See none. Hear none. You've been approved, Mr. Coffin for this and good luck with everything. I know it's a little bit different even though you brought that organ weather with you today. I've been here for a month. We don't we don't appreciate that. But other than that, we I have to go back later this week. I know. There you go. Thank you also for bringing in the additional documentation. Yes. Thank you. Sincerely appreciate that. Yeah. I tried to get a few more, but um getting everybody to um help out is not always as easy as
I would hope it to be. Well, thank you for the extra efforts. Thank you and good luck. Next. Good morning board. Um the next applicant appearing before you today is Mr. David Reynolds. Um Mr. Reynolds, please come to the podium. State your name and address for the record. My name is David Reynolds. My address 621 Lancaster Court Pace Florida 32571. Wonderful. Now Mr. Reynolds is applying to reciprocate his registered
roofing contractor license from Santa Rosa County with the license number RC29027969. And he appears before you today with eight years of experience. Um he has worked as field supervisor with Davis Roofing under certified roofing contractor Mr. Michael Davis, who holds an active license with the number CCC1330 079 since 2012. And um Mr. Reynolds responsibilities as field supervisor
include, but are not limited to managing 18 staff members and their time sheets along with all aspects of the roofing operations, ordering material, job costs, and obtaining permits for commercial roofing uh projects. according to the documents he provided. Um, and Mr. Reynolds did select yes on one of the financial responsibility questions. Uh, and he did provide an explanation along with the discharge documents that you can find within the agenda items. And based on court records provided on this applicant, uh, as well as this applicant
being a applicant for reciprocity, uh, staff will defer to the board for the final decision. Mr. Riddles, would you like to uh address the board? Tell us anything? Uh, well, the paper says I got eight I actually have 38 years experience. I work for Jones roofing, but like the gentleman just said, it's hard to get, you know, other people to get the information sent to you, but I do have 38 years in the field. I actually put every metal panel, excuse me, on the outside of this building. So, done a lot of work, a lot of experience.
So, it's not your first day on the job for sure then. No, sir. Not at all. Thank you for your uh explanation of the bankruptcy thing. Appreciate you. Was that any questions from anybody? Do I have a motion? I'll make a motion to approve. Second. I have a motion to second. All in any discussion? All in favor raise your right hand. All oppose. Same sign. See
none. Hear none. Motion. Congratulations. Thank you guys. Yes sir. I appreciate it. Yes sir. Uh board members, our next applicant to appear before you is Mr. Riner Crabtree. Uh Mr. Crabtree, if you please come to the podium, state your name and address for the record, sir. Morning. Rainer Crabtree, 6266 Billery Road, Pace, Florida 32571. Mr. Crabtree appears before
you requesting to reciprocate his residential contractor's license, license number RR282812156 from Santa Rosa County. He comes before you with four years, four months, and 13 days of experience holding his lensure from July the 1st, 2021 to the present. uh he has provided a detailed list of projects that were completed on his experience verification form for your reference. Staff has also verified financial criminal history is cleared for this applicant. Uh because this application is reciprocity, uh staff will defer to the board for approval.
Uh Mr. Crab, would you would like to address the board this morning? Anything? I don't have anything further to add, sir. Okay. So, you've been in business for yourself since 2021. Yes, sir. Is that correct? Did you work for another builder or something before that or I I I began my business probably back in 2017 as just a uh light residential type uh non-structural contractor. uh began the venture to get my contractor's license when I realized that I needed to be
able to bring subs in, you know, plumbers and things like that to stay legal. Um so that's why I ventured off and and got my contractor's license and started a new company. I went from CNR uh home improvement to CNR Custom Homes to allow me to hire those subcontractors in and and stay within the purview of the law. That was a good move. We appreciate that. Anybody have any questions?
Do I have a decision from someone? Motion. Motion to approve. Approve. Second. Jinx. Yeah. And so who's the second then? Second. All right. All in any discussion? All in favor? Raise your right hand. opposed. Same sign. Seeing none, hear none. Motion is approved. Congratulations, man. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. All right. And the next applicant appearing before you today is Miss Ashley Preston. Miss Preston,
please come to the podium. State your name and address for the record. Good morning. My name is Ashley Renee Preston. My address is 4929 Ward Basin Road, Milton, Florida 32583. Yes. Uh, Miss Preston is applying to reciprocate her registered general contractor license from Santa Rosa County with the license number RG2911 04125 and appears before you today with six years of experience. Uh she worked as
manager from 2018 to 2022 with John Kylie Builders Incorporated under registered general contractor John Kylie who holds an active license with the number RG000051234 since 2004. Miss Preston was issued her uh RG license in 2022 and currently she has worked as general contractor with her active license as owner and general contractor for S Southern
Oak Contracting Group Incorporated. and Miss Preston's responsibilities as manager and GC include but are not limited to managing 10 plus staff members um during remodels, new construction uh for residential and commercial projects, overseeing all installations, foundation, driveways and sidewalks and that's according to the documents provided and um based on this being an application for reciprocity uh staff will defer to the board for the final decision. Miss Preston,
I see that the application the check mark is actually for building contractor and that's what the agenda actually has detailed. But you are wishing to reciprocate your general contractor's license. Correct. Yes. So actually this would be a reciprocity of general contractor not building contractor. It it appears like from this application general was checked and then maybe wided out and then building. I see that. Yeah. So she is reciprocating her general contractor.
Thank you. Miss actually Mr. Preston, would you like to tell us anything this morning? Um I know it's probably odd for a woman to be up here as a general contractor is fairly, you know, in the construction field is generally a man's area. Um however, I was born and raised in the construction field. My dad was a builder back in the 80s um until he became disabled and then unfortunately I kind of stuck with it um and him and the flooring industry and stuff and then I married into the field marrying another general contractor as well. Um,
and so it's just something I'm familiar with, born and raised with, and um, I've been in San Jose County my whole life. And now that I'm in my late 30s, I am hoping to, uh, expand a little bit more and, uh, really take this over and make a make a name for myself. Who was your dad when I ask? Lamar Evers. Lamar Evers. He built Holly by the Sea back in the 80s. Very well known. Good builder. Thank you. And you work with John Collie? I do. Still do
to this day. Help him out. Yes. He needs a lot of help. That is true. He's a great guy. He's a great He's an old friend of mine. That's why I said that. Um, any questions and your references are fantastic. Thank you. Yes. Motion to approve. Second. Have a motion to second. Any discussion? All in favor, raise your right hand. All oppose, same sign. Seeing none, hear none. It's actually congratulations. Thank you. I appreciate it. It's not too unusual anymore, but we're happy. Thank
you. I appreciate it. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Have a good day. You, too. Lamar Emmer. Uh, finally, board, our final applicant to appear before you today is Mr. Shawn Greece. Uh, Mr. Greece, if you'll please come to the podium, state your name and address for the record, please. Sean Gris or Gris, forgive me. Um he is coming before you today presenting a change of status form uh for a business name change. He has provided all documentation for that name change to be completed. However, just as with applications for examination and for reciprocity,
there are financial and criminal historyries uh questions which are presented on this form. Anytime that those are answered yes, it does have to appear before you for approval. Um, in this case there was he did answer yes to question number eight where adjudication was withheld. Um, copies of those court records have been included for the board's reference and we will need your approval to process this business name change. Would you like to address the board this morning? Um, no sir. So what's the uh change in the name? Um, we're going from a um doing business as a LLC,
DBA to an LLC. Sir, yes. I didn't see LLC on here. I didn't I didn't recognize maybe I missed it somewhere. He's listed it as uh Prestige Plumbing and Gas, right? On the change of status form, sir. So, it will be a LLC instead of a DBA. Gotcha. Gotcha. I know it's a uh not a fun thing bringing up past, but that was 2009 that there was a
altercation. It's been almost 20 years now. So, so what happened with this board? Um, when when Mr. Gris came and got his license, it wasn't disclosed at that time. He disclosed it at on this one and so it needed to come to you for approval. Everything's been clean and old. Yes. Thank you for I know our past follows us sometimes. We don't but but at least you
know you own it. Go forward. So that's good news. Motion to approve. Second. A motion and second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Raise your right hand. All oppose. Same sign. None here. None. Motion is approved. Congratulations, man. Thank you. You can check the box. Follow those directions. Man, we are Merry Christmas this morning. We uh approved everybody today. Well, we not always like I'm talking about the applications.
Thank you guys. We don't see you. Have a good Christmas. Merry Christmas to you all. Sorry. That is in the official minutes now. I wanted to say prestige worldwide so bad. I And then I started singing a song. So don't write that down. Off the record. Yeah, off the record. I can say that and it doesn't go in. Right. Turn your mic off. Oh, wait. All right, board. Our next item. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Is Jeffrey W. Meyers doing
business as Jeff Meyers Construction, Inc., state registered license number RR R282811736. Contractor competency board complaint number 2550765 COOM. It's in regard to a complaint that was internally filed by this board. Proper notice was sent to the respondent. Mr. Myers, are you present today? Please make note that Mr. Myers is not present. So, this hearing has
been continued quite a few times. We've received communications that there was a potential appeal filed with Santa Rosa County. Santa Rosa County found Mr. Meyers um in violation of certain code items um in their jurisdiction and they subsequently disciplined him. Our county ordinance says that if a license holder that is licensed here in Eskeami County has their license
suspended or revoked in another jurisdiction, then this board can also take action. Um, we received further communication from Santa Rosa County. Uh we did put a request in that a representative from Santa Rosa come over and they sent back, you know, just a communication about an update. Um if you'd like to hear that update from Melissa, I can hand it over to her. Um I think it's in our notes. It is in in your backup, but Melissa, if you'd like to go ahead. Thank you.
Um Um, we're gonna go ahead and have Miss Rever sworn. I swear. Um, we received information from attorney Tom Danheiser uh about the appeal that Mr. Meyers was attempting to do. He states uh Mr. Meyers timely filed a request for appeal but has failed to advise what particular issue he is appealing without specificity. The BCC
can't proceed as they wouldn't know what his appeal is about. I.e. is it factual dispute a legal dispute? He said he's discussed this with him and he's awaiting his clarification. It's at the board's discretion on how they want to proceed. Mr. Myers is not present today. Again, this meeting has been continued several times. If I if you'd like, I can bring up the uh administrative complaint may aid you in your decision making.
Uh the code section that this board is looking at is code section 1837C7, revocation or suspension of a certificate holders registration by the Florida Construction Industry Licensing Board or by a certificate holders certificate of competency from other jurisdiction may be considered by this board as just cause for suspension or revocation of the county's certificate of competency. So that is what this board is looking at today. Um and we are at of course a disciplinary hearing.
If I'm not mistaken, the last meeting we kind of kicked the can down the road waiting to see what happens with Santa Rosa County. And right now nothing's happened with Santa Rosa County. So, Santa Rosa County um their board um attorney has requested on several occasions additional information from Mr. Meyers. He did request an appeal, but until they can get their the information that they're seeking, no appeal date can can be done like there. So, that is the most recent update. He still
has not provided what they've asked of him, his justification for his appeal request. Um, and right now he he doesn't have priv permit privileges in Escambia County. He does. So his license has not been affected here in Santa Rosa County. His license um was suspended for a period of 24 months. So, a two-year suspension in Santa Rosa County is was
the discipline he received there. So, he cannot pull permits in Santa Rosa. Does he currently have any open permits in Escambia County? We did review that at one of our previous board meetings and and there were not many, a few here and there. If you'd like to to look at that again, I can definitely bring that up for you. Yes, sir. Santa Rosa County just to their decision just so everybody knows what the other you know the the county that the infraction happened in
suspended for 24 months license suspended remain suspended thereafter until all fines restitution conditions set forth this order are fully satisfied he was assessed a $5,000 fine uh in addition to the reinstatement of Mr. Meer's license he must remit payment of 28,565.65 67 to the homeowner, Mr. Seth Hoffman. During the period of suspension, he shall not engage in any contracting activity within San Rosa County, not limited to applying for proper permits
uh through with as call for applying agent for anybody else. And then they recommended the Florida CIB take additional disciplinary action. That is correct. So just to get the feel for what uh their mindset was when they dealt with this. So on your screen uh this is the information that I brought up for you before. There's some old permitting from from 2012 that is more than likely
just whenever it got transferred over from system to system. It's still showing is issued. However, within the last few years from 2022 forward, there are three permits that are still at an issued status. Um, so he the most recent permitting was obtained in June of 25. So, doesn't have many permits. Do we know what the scope of work was with the permit? It's like August of 25 is one of
uh second one. It's two for the same property. Oh, okay. Um I can bring them both for you. I just saw the dates, not the address. Well, so just a little side note, your permit number 25506, that's your year and month, right? That's how we know whenever. Quick quickly. Um detached garage roof and probably a new single family dwelling roof. Uh since they're both at the same address, it's
And actually, it had a roof in progress in August. That's why you saw that August date on there. Just has not had a final. So, this has been going on for months and last month it was moved for him to have more time, which is what was requested. But as of the 24th of November, there still is nothing. And um
you know, seem like maybe we should follow this suit of San Rosa County and you know, yeah, their decision since there's no action being taken. What about what about the uh um the situation on the open permit? It's just a roof and he had a progress inspection in August. I mean, what's the status of that work? Well, the roof was actually on the house. Historically, Mr. Mr. Paul, that when this board takes action against his license,
you have always said that you're not going to harm the citizen and any open permits can be completed. Yeah. Okay. able to finish what started but no no more from this far. Well, I I wouldn't I wasn't intending to um injure that project. Just how what's the status of project? What's there might be another complaint? There might be some sort of issue that um he's not going to finish. It's and it's open to the elements. For us, it's still deemed an open permit because
it was inspected at with a rough in August. So, he has six months in which to get an inspection. We haven't been notified of any issues. It's still an active open permit. M Miss Jennifer, the main permit there, is that this one? Yes, ma'am. Is that for a house? I know we saw the other one was a roof. Is this for what? It's for the actual garage. It's for the actual garage itself. That roof permit keeps this project going. I gota So, it's just
a detached garage all building right now. Yes, sir. What inspections have been completed? Uh, thank you for It had um the most recent inspection was a miscellaneous um homeowner insulated the garage in uh September. So, just a few weeks after that roof was inspected, they had an insulation inspection in the garage. Okay. So, it's not too far from being finished, maybe.
And if I recall correctly, he did mention in here uh that that he was working on finishing that up from from prior testimony. Mhm. So, do I have a motion from anyone to move forward to follow after San Rosa County? So, if we decide to um pull his um privileges in Escambia County,
will he be able to finish that project? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. but just not able to go forward for, you know, the 24 months and then pay the restitution to those people and $5,000 to Scambi County. Okay. I'm making a motion to approve. We would be we would be doing it for Scambia County though. So, so we according to what we have here on page three, penalty guidelines for violating go
down just a tad. Yeah. Right. In the actual code section, it it says it's just cause for suspension or revocation of the certificate of competency. It does say within that code section that the penalty guidelines are$1 to $5,000 fine and such as a penalty is provided within the code section. Right. So, so we could we could do the 5,000 like Santa Rosa did. Is that correct? It's it's available to you. That's what I'm Yeah, that's what I was referring to.
So, what was your motion? I to make a motion to um suspend his license for 24 months and a $5,000 fine. So suspension in Escambia County cannot exceed a year. So in the in the last paragraph there, suspension for a period not exceeding one year. If so suspension can only be a year or less. Okay. Then then I make a motion that we suspend his license for a year and a $5,000 fine.
Second. Have a motion and second. Can I ask one more clarification? Obviously, San Rosa County was able to do restitution. We don't have that. So, all we can do is what we're doing right now. Correct. Yes. Okay. Just want to make sure everybody was on that part. Okay. So, I have a motion on the floor to suspend license for one year with a $5,000 fine. And do we want to recommend something to the CIB? At the same time, I just wanted um there had been a discussion
about what he has a project open. Um you're going to suspend the permitting privileges, but you're going to allow him to finalize the project that he has open, right? I mean, yeah, I'm sorry. Suspend his license, but allow him to finalize the project he has open. We're just suspending the license for a period of one year that of pulling permits. Um, okay. There's a distinction there. So, the li if you suspend his license, Sam, I may need your help on this. If you suspend his license, he's done and he can't do anything else, right? He But if you suspend his permitting privileges,
then he can't pull any more permits. So, that would allow him to finish the project. So, how it reads in the actual code section, just cause for suspension or revocation of his certificate of competency. It does not speak to permitting privileges, right? Suspension of license would take away his ability to do anything. However, this board has spoken about they want him to have the ability to finish that one project. So, what Christy is saying, you would need to
include that in your motion for his suspension of license, allowing him to finish that project. The problem is that technically if you if you if you don't have a license, you can't build. You can't. So, um so that's one of those distinctions. If you want him to finish that project, um how many months does he have left to finish that project? Should not be long. It'd be six months from the when he took pulled the first permit, right? Well, it would be six months from the last action, which would have been September 2nd. So
said March, March 2nd would be when that permit would ex technically expire unless he gets another inspection. Let me ask you this, Miss Christie. Is there a way for this motion to be amended to say what's been said? Which one? Because this code section here specifically says this. Okay. So, I I was thinking of ways that you could do this. Um, you could do it.
You could set a time for when the suspension goes into effect. So when So you want suspension to go in effect at the end of this when this um roof is finalized. When the project is finalized, you could kick it. You could have it go in when the final inspection is done. No, he does. He his he is suspended at that point for a year from that date. I think you could do that. Well, we don't want him. We don't want the opportunity to come in there within that
six month span to pull another permit. Right. But then that would what what would happen to him is he pulls that permit. He's not going to be able to do the work. If he pulls any permits within that six month span, he's not going to be able to to do the work because he's not going to be able to finish the project. No, I understand that. But he he may not care. He may just pull the permit, get a deposit, and, you know, move on. Has anyone spoken Have we spoken to the people who have the permit in Pensacola? No, I've not spoken to anybody. So, I think what we're trying to do is to allow him to finish the current job, but at the same time not allow him to pull
any additional permits. Now, if we have to put a time frame on that saying that, hey, you know, from 6 months from the last inspection that we'll revisit this at that time and then we can determine whether we want to put a suspension on it or not based on what's happened between now and then with Santa Rosa County. Let me let me help you a little bit more because I don't know other than my most recent roofing project. I don't know anything about I don't Let's ask a quick question on roofing about what inspections remain because it appears to
just be a final inspection and then also so you what you have is a detached garage and the roof two different permits. on the detach garage is finals and on the roof is a final as well. Is there any reason why we can't send an inspector out there mid- project without a request? What I'm trying to find out for you is what is the status of that project? Correct. Correct. So we can make because if we're if the if it looks if we can send somebody out there to
take a look at it and see what the status is, then they can come back to this board in January. Exactly. And then you could end then you can make your decision then. Exactly. We could send someone. I mean, they could tell us to leave and we have to leave. But it was on Well, the homeowner might allow you to do it, though. That's who I would contact is the homeowner and tell them. There's no reason not to be There's no reason that the homeowner can't know what's already in public record, which is we're about to suspend this guy's license, and uh we want to
make sure your project is completed before we do that. um and you may find out more information. I think that would be I think that would be prudent considering what this board has already expressed or at least the motion has been made about what the board wants to do in this situation where you want to suspend the license. Mr. Christie, I want to rely on the uh experience of these two old guys that's been up here at least a little while. I talk about Mr. Bachelor. He looked at he looked at you as the old guy. Experience old guy. and this old guy here. If I'm not mistaken, in the
past though, we did this and we allowed we put the exception in the motion for them to complete a certain project. Just that one project is all we allowed them the ability to do. Is that available for us on this to go ahead and suspend the license but end the motion with the permission to finish and list these two building permit numbers so that if he drags these things out because if he gets an
inspection in 6 months, another miscellaneous, he can drag it on, you know, he could drag this thing on for years if I nobody wants to do that. But I just think that we could probably do that and resolve everything. Does that sound I I'm I'm not challenging that yet. I think that your building official has to answer the question, can he do construction in Scambia County when he has a suspended license? No. That's what the problem is. Right. Right. But if we put in the motion suspend
the license with the privilege of finishing these permits, we've done that before. I'm almost positive, haven't we? I think we did that on there was two cases that that that was done on. That was on my train and and shooting stars. Yeah, I remember doing that. So, why can't we do that now? You can put it in your motion. I just think that the I don't know what I I realize we've done it in the past, but I think in the past we had different charges. This is a different charge.
This one doesn't allow any actions on the permit. So, if you go if you scroll down to the bottom, and that's what we were looking at. If it's a this one has specific requirements to what you're limited that you can do, right? But in a general one where it had these other charges, if you scroll all the way down, you get that general paragraph on the wherefore, which allows you to to to work a little bit more with the licensing to limit permitting privileges. But that's not this charge. That's what the problem is. This charge doesn't fall within that category.
It's very It's specific to um appear. It specifically says suspension or revocation. It doesn't talk about permitting privileges. Where's it? Um let's look up the code. Give me just a moment. If we can just take a quick break. I'm gonna look at MUN code. We'll take five minutes. Five minute break. I think five minutes. That's all I got. I'm just messing. We get three.
Yeah, I think we just went to his license. I think they can. Okay, we will be back in session. So, so we had an opportunity to look at the the code section the the section as a whole. So, there is the possibility under C, which this falls under C7,
um, under C where it talks about placing a contractor on probation. So you can So what you could do is put him on probation until this permit is completed and as a condition of that probation not allow him to pull a permit because you can set the conditions of probation and then his suspension will kick in and then you could allow the suspension to kick in sub um after the after this permit is finalized. So, it's up to him how long he wants. His best interest would be to go ahead and take care of the sus get the pro get the roof done,
get the probation over and start the suspension so that it would correlate with the 24 months out there in Santa Rosa. But if he chooses not to do that, then that's going to he makes that determination. And so it's a probation with suspension of pro of of permitting privileges until this project is completed and once the final um is done on this project or if the um permit has to be cancelled because no further action is taken or yeah canled because there was no is it expires the word is expires the word um so if the permit expires because there's
no further action taken on the permit or until this project is completed whichever occurs First, probation will terminate at the same time and your suspension will kick in for a year. You want me to say, you know, just second. Yeah, that's a lot. Well, all you got to do is get an attorney to All you got to do is get an attorney to make it a lot of words. I can take the simplest agreement and complicate it.
So to word this properly, would you like to give us the verbiage and then him just be able to me uh uh make a motion as stated? Stated and then you won't have to read because I'm trying to write all this down. Ain't no way in the world get all this. Okay. So you'll put him on probation. The motion would be to put Mr. Myers on probation until the completion of the current open permit or the permit expires for inaction with the suspension to
run consecutive to the permit or to the probation suspension of permitting privileges. Suspension of license. So you'll have the So you'll have Let me I'll do it again. I'm sorry. See, so you're going to put them on probation until this particular permit terminates, either because it's finalized or because it is it is um expired, whichever comes first.
And then the license would suspend with the termination of the probation. And if I understood you correctly, you said a 12-mon suspension. That's right. Where in there are we putting in that his permitting privileges is suspended during the probation and as a special condition of probation, his permanent privileges would be suspended.
So, you mean do it again? Let's put it all together. Probation until the existing permit is completed or the permit expires due to inactivity. At such time, there will be a 12-month suspension that will become activated immediately after the probation with the special condition of suspension of permitting privileges during the probation period. Correct. And the
probation will end whichever comes first. That's what I said that. I think I said that. So your motion first would be to find him in violation and then the determination of what the penalty would be. I make a motion that the uh the Jeff Meyer's construction was in violation of the statutes.
Okay. You have to have the whole thing hanging in violation. Can we just stop for just a minute, please? Just Yeah. Let's It's two steps. Your first step is to find him in violation as charged. So I think that's the motion he just made. Is that right? Yes. Second. All right. So I have a motion on the floor that is in violation of charges as stated. All in favor raise your right hand. All oppose. Same sign. See none here. That motion is approved. Thank you. That's the first one. The second one would be to
give probation to Mr. Meyers until the existing permit is completed or the permit expires due to inactivity, whichever comes first. At such time, a 12-month suspension would be activated immediately after the probation period with the special condition of suspending all permitting privileges during the probation time
and a suspension of 12 months. I said 12 month suspension. All right. Yes. So, does somebody want to make that motion as stated? I make a motion as stated. Do I have a second? Second. Discussion. Let it be noted. No. Okay. Any discussion? Okay. All in favor, raise your right hand. All oppose,
same sign. See none, hear none. Motion is approved as whatever we stated. Um, and your last action on this hearing would be to recommend uh make a recommendation to the CIB. Senator Roses was that they would take additional disciplinary action just for somebody who wants to make a motion. U just to let you know at the end of that paragraph on your screen that that's your options available to you.
We can do no further action of fine, suspension, revocation, restrictions, or accommodation. So, Senator Rosa recommended that they take additional and just left it in their u wheelhouse. I need a motion from someone to follow suit. I make a motion for it to go before the construction industry licensing board for them to take further action how they so decide. Do I have a second? Second. Right. I have a motion to
second. Any discussion? All in favor raise your right hand. All oppose. Same sign. See none here. None. Motion is approved. I think we made it through that one. Everybody wipe your brow. H. All right, board. Our next item is a Sunshine Law presentation. Can I Can I just mention one thing real quick, Miss Miss Jennifer? What's that, sir? The um current legislator in session has
um a bill that's going forward that looks like it's going to take good traction that there will be forms sent from the state. Now uniform that's correct I have seen that um because they receive different types of orders from different jurisdictions they would like a universal form right once we receive that our orders will look a little bit differently uh to comply with this new legislation and it's supposed to help Tallahassee take quicker action on what we're doing because
right now it's over a year for anything to take place so this is accurate supposed to be. Yeah. And that was evidenced back when we were handling uh Matt Banks, Jesse Lacrosse. Right. Right. We took action and then it wasn't until six, seven, eight months later that they ultimately revoked their registered licenses. So, this should expedite that process. That has been some of the progress has been made by those who are trying to influence it positively. Yes, sir. because of things like that. Miss Christie, you have the floor. Thank you. Don't need coffee.
I think I do. I'll move. You have to get out of here, don't you, Mr. Patel? All right, we'll move right along. But this one's a little different. Um so um as you know, we do a Sunshine Law presentation to the different boards um every year um to keep everybody up to date. There hasn't been many changes on Sunshine Law. You can go ahead. We've talked before about the pork chop gang. Um, every I I tend to find more and more things about them that are not flattering. Uh, but we're not going to delve too much into that because we've added videos this year to show you about
um boards that made um errors and judgment that cost them money and possible incarceration. So, the pork chop gang, as you know, was the original uh slate of leg legislators in North Florida that ran the whole state. Um things began to change after um in 1967 and 1968 um um in 1967 and 1968 that's when the Florida rewrote its constitution that there was also a requirement that there would be additional um uh there had to be some work done to kind of to allow the rest of the state
to have proper representation on our maps um and our in our voting districts. Um but also what was happening this is a this is an older story. This is about the Everglades. If if you remember we talk about the Everglades on a bet. John Penningamp was the editor of the uh Miami Herald. Marjorie Stman Douglas wrote the book uh uh rivers of grass. Um and they were very active in the preservation of the Everglades which appears to be under attack again. So but they were very active in the preservation of the under Everglades. It's very important to Florida's
um to Florida's especially South Florida's uh environment. and uh their conditions down there. And John Penny Capman, if you if you recall, went to a poker game um at a Florida Power and Light uh I didn't know that they were that around that long, but they were with Florida Power and Light uh fishing camp um and started winning a lot of money off of our state legislators and they finally told him, "Look, what's it going to cost us to get you out of our pockets and and into the
pockets of the state, basically?" and uh he told them how much they wanted and they said fine it's yours come along. So so they quit. He uh so he ended up uh being able to buy a large portion of the Everglades and dedicate that to the national protections. The next one she's gone. There we go. And then Emry Red Cross was the one who was responsible for pushing through our legislation to make our our government more uh more transparent, what we call the sunshine law, which required that
meetings that are held between two or more pre people of the board have to be done in the public eye. So you can't have backdoor conversations. You shouldn't be whispering off mics. Um you know, you shouldn't be having even here, you know, don't lean back and have conversations off mics. you'll know that you've heard you've seen me or you've heard me catch catch it and say don't don't do that even if you're just talking about the weather because it's you know miserably cold um either snow or get warm but I I don't really care for cold weather. So um so now that we've
had all that snow I've been spoiled. Uh so even if you're back on even even if just talking about the weather or your kids or something else it's the perception that you want to avoid. You want to try to not talk off mic. don't lean back and have a conversation because there's people in here that are watching. There's people with us that are on um our on the TV watching or on their computers watching. So, be careful about that because we don't want to ever give the perception that we've done anything inappropriate or that we're trying to make decisions or make comments or give our impression to another person on a board. So, never out of the presence of the public. Um never meet
off camp. That does not mean that you can't have your own um doesn't mean that we're affecting your first amendment rights. you still have a right to speech. Doesn't mean that you can't go to, you know, and have coffee together or or have or do things together. It just means very be very careful with the perception. We certainly get invited to many of the same things simply because you're in the same industry. Um so you you're going to end up being invited to some to the probably the same Christmas parties. Um all at Alton's house. He told me about it. We're gonna go. I'm just kidding. There's no there's no party. So if we have the
next screen. So we originally did have a public records law in 1909 and then of course in 1967 um we codified the government and the sunshine law which is which created the restrictions uh of board members meeting outside of the public. I then we have the Florida Constitution in 1992. It was so important to us in the state of Florida that we memorialized it. Um and here are the requirements. They have to be open to the public. There has to be notice and the minutes must be taken and promptly recorded. The minutes don't necessarily have
to be a transcript. We transcribe our meetings. What you're doing is quasi duial work. So, we do transcribe our meetings. But, um, in general board meetings where they're where they're not handling something that's necessarily that's not qu if it's not quasi judicial, it's not as important. And the the large board um does not have a court reporter present. um the board of county commissioners, they just have minutes of the clerk. So, you'll also notice there down at the below below, this is one of those areas, the sunshine law doesn't apply to the legislature or the judiciary.
They write the rules. So, and the judiciary of course is not under the same branch of government, and they do have their own public records requirements, but as you can imagine, there's a number of things that happen within the judiciary. family law cases, um, uh, violence cases, things that need to be, u more protected for the purpose of the individuals that are involved. So, they're not under the same same rules, but they do have a public record policy. If we have the next one, and then this is the breakdown of all, you know, all meetings of
any board or commission of any state agency. Then it goes on to the next one. Reasonable notice of all such meetings and the minutes of the meeting have to be promptly recorded. And then in 2013, we added this provision of a reasonable opportunity to be heard to the statute. Things to know about this is it doesn't have to s occur at the same time, but it has to occur before the decision on the item is made. And then of course there's exceptions to every rule, right? So
when and uh we know hurricane and and after last year we know I mean after earlier this year we know about snow and those are times when emergency things are happening. Of course people don't have to be heard when we're having a ceremonial plaque presentation. Um and then of course there are specific things that are that are exempt as far as fire safety blueprints 911 infrastructure. That's all exempted and quasi judicial. You don't have to listen to just everybody that comes in, but we do give them the public forum option. And these are these are details about things that
are strongly discouraged. Uh these are opinions from um from former from former attorney generals uh about things to avoid and how to to not circumvent the requirements of the law and your penalties. I'm not seeing the videos pop up. Okay. Well,
did you see some highlight? I didn't I didn't see Well, let's flip back and see. We talking about bowl. Yeah, that's not going to be it. Those have been in there. Let me see what happened. If you want to see one of these videos, let me see if we can pull it up directly from the internet if you have a minute. Oh, here we go. Good. Two members of the Holmes County Community Development Commission are facing seconddegree misdemeanor charges for allegedly violating
Florida's sunshine law. Commission member Stephanie Smith Cloud and Executive Director Joe Ran are each charged with conspiracy to commit a Sunshine Law violation. State Attorney Larry Bassford's office filed the probable cause affidavit at the Holmes County Courthouse. It details the findings of state attorney investigation John Pettis into the Sunshine Law complaints. Feta says Ran committed a Sunshine law violation by providing Cloud with a list of names of potential officer candidates and told her to contact other board members and discuss
the other nominations. Cloud allegedly contacted other members of the nominating committee to discuss the names and even left a voicemail on other members phones talking about the list. Both allegedly told Pettis this was common practice among the board. They've been issued notices to appear in court. They'll be arraigned on July 10th. And there should be one more video. It would have been further back. Two me. Yes. In St. John's County, several members of the airport
authority are facing accusations of sunshine law violations. Three, in fact. News for Jacks has obtained documents from the state attorney's office that accuse Reeba Lello. You see her there on the screen on the left. Dennis Clark and Lynn Tucker of holding private meetings. Tucker facing felony tampering charges in connection with the investigation. News for Jack's reporter Chris Will explains. It's a story that has been making waves on our website for the last 24 hours. Three
St. John's County Airport Authority Board members facing charges accused of repeatedly violating Sunshine laws. But how did we get here? Let's go back to February when the Douglas Law Firm, the legal council for the airport, shared this letter to the board directly accusing Chair Reeba Lello and board member Len Tucker of Florida Sunshine Law violations, saying it had to withdraw as legal counsel due to clear legal and ethical conflict. I don't have to recuse myself because that that's a rumor. Fast forward to March 10th,
the first meeting of the board after the allegations were made by the law firm. the board chair sharing that she believed there was no need to take any action until there are some charges filed. We have nothing. We have absolutely nothing um you know except rumors. Months later, charges have been filed. the state attorney's office filing these documents in them accusing Ledllo Tucker and Dennis Clark of knowingly and intentionally attending private meetings with witnesses claiming to have seen the board members having business discussions outside of public
meetings which the affidavit says is against Florida sunshine law a law that establishes meetings of boards or commissions must be open to the public that goes for any gathering of two or more members to discuss potential action news for Jack's confirmed board member Tucker turned himself into law enforcement before bonding out on Friday. According to documents from the state attorney's office, he is facing an additional felony tampering with a witness charge after they say the interim executive director of the airport told investigators he felt he was trying to be influenced and intimidated after a conversation with Tucker regarding the investigation. According
to state law, penalties for violations of the Sunshine Law may include removal from office, voided decisions, fines, and possible jail time. Chris Will, Channel 4, the local station. So although it's a misdemeanor violation to have these meetings outside of the public, you can see how quickly this escalated when the individual tried to protect himself by intimidating a witness. So um you it quickly goes to a felony. And so there's plenty of reasons to um to be careful about to be careful about how you conduct yourself and how you appear. Any
questions? I don't know what's happened with them so far. That's that's going to be for the next meeting. We'll get some some coverage for the next time we do this. And hopefully we won't have any more new violations. We just always like it when Escambia County is not the subject of the reports at our at our trainings that we go to as attorneys. They they pull up like board meetings that that have gone ary. And uh we're always glad when when Escambia County is not on the top of the list. We had a period there that was ugly for a while. So, any questions? You ready to go,
Mr. Patel? All right. Thank you. Merry Christmas. Thank you. Merry Christmas. Anything else on our agenda, Madam Secretary? No, sir. Mr. Chairman, merry Christmas to you all and happy new year. We'll see you after the first. Merry Christmas, guys. Thank you, everybody. Being ajourned. I make a motion for everyone to have a merry Christmas. Motion denied. Hey.