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and it looks like TV. [Music] Good morning. Thanks everybody for showing up. If you could please uh stand for the pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.
Hey, Miss Jennifer, you want to go over the board for us, please? Yes, sir. Please silence all cell phones. If you wish to speak, please let the board secretary know in advance. Otherwise, raise your hand for the board chair to recognize your request. When the chairman calls you to speak, come to the podium, adjust the microphone, and state your name and address for the record. You are requested to keep your remarks brief and factual. Both parties of an issue will be granted uniform maximum time to speak. Usually runs between 3 to 5 minutes. This hearing is considered
quasi judicial. Conduct is formal and profane or derogatory comments will not be tolerated. Thank you. And can we have determination of quorum, please? Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman, with five members present, we do just have a quorum. Thank you. And do we have proof of publication? Yes, sir. Mr. Mr. Chairman, it was published October 30th, 2025 in the Pensacola News Journal. Thank you again. And if I can get approval of the minutes for the uh September 3rd, 2025 meeting. Motion to approve.
We have a motion and a second. All in favor, raise your right hand. Motion passes. Uh so, uh we do have a public forum. Do you have anybody to speak on public forum today? I did not uh receive any speaker request forms, but you may want to pull the audience. Do we have anybody that would like to speak that is not on the agenda today? Please state so now. Nope, we have nobody. Thank you. Do we have a board secretary status report? I have nothing for the board today. I will be um
Mary did remind me about um discussion topic we had at our last board meeting over the questions that are on our applications. Um I'm going to get some feedback from free. So y'all should should see an email coming out shortly um to get feedback on those questions. Thank you for that. All right. So we'll go into our contractor applications. Uh we'll start with the first one. Uh Logan I'm not going to pronounce the second. Yes, sir. Um, uh, the first applicant, uh, is, uh, Mr. Loganet. Um,
and Mr. Omet, please come to the podium. State your name and address for the record. My name is uh, Logan Altivet. My address 802 Old Novak Road, KTO, Florida 32533. All right. Mr. Drumid is applying for the master plumber with gas examination. He combined his education with hands-on experience in the trade and appears before you today with one year and 10 months of experience working in the plumbing trade
and provided us with his 4-year apprenticeship certificate for plumber uh at the technical college in Florida found in the agenda items. Um, he also provided us with a copy of his Alabama journeyman's gas fitter license that he got in 2024, uh, with license number JG3576. And he currently holds an Alabama master plumber license, uh, with license number MP4603 that you
also can find in the agenda items. Um he worked as a plumber with a was it a a Moore plumbing company incorporated under the supervision of Justin Tiner who holds an active license with number CFC1430445 since 2019. And I spoke with Mr. Justin Tiner yesterday who said that Logan was a great employee and he was lucky to have him on the team um when verifying the applicant's employment and
uh Mr. strong its responsibilities uh include but are not limited to uh piping drains, waste vent, piping, fitting, trenching, back filling and underwater tie-ins, supervising 10 or more crew members with 20 plus projects according to the documents provided. With this in consideration, with the hands-on experience working in the plumbing trade and education certificate from the accredited college provided by the applicant, uh staff recommends approval of application for
examination. Thank you. Mr. Logan, would you want to say anything to us before we uh render a decision? Uh no, sir. I think I'm good. Okay. Any questions from the board? If not, I'll take a motion. I make a motion to approve. Do you have a motion? We have a second. All in favor, raise your right hand. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you.
Board members, our next applicant to appear before you today is Miss Melissa Freeman. Miss Freeman, if you would please come to the podium, state your name and address for the record, please. Ma'am. Melissa Freeman, 224 Payne Road, Pensacola, Florida 32507. Um, Miss Freeman appears before you today requesting to take the roofing unlimited examination. She was qualified by license holder James Freeman of Freeman Roofing, license number CCC 1334173. Uh, she has 8 years, 9 months,
and 29 days of experience. Uh the application that was provided did have the old experience verification form but I did include it as there was detailed experience listed on this form. Uh I did ensure that the qualifier did complete the new experience form as well. Uh she has experience and directly supervising commercial and residential jobs providing hands-on training and experience in installation methods, repair techniques, uh and OSHA safety requirements. She is experienced in the day-to-day operations of running the business, overseeing jobs, as well as working with architects and engineers to design roofs and ensure proper materials are being utilized for
each job. Uh, while completing the application, Miss Freeman did answer yes to the financial and criminal history questionnaire question number one. Uh, she was and did provide a copy of the court record as well as a written explanation for the board. Because of the questionnaire, staff will defer defer to the board for approval. Thank you. Uh, Mr. Screaming. Um, would you like to say anything to the board? Uh, yeah. Um, actually I've been in the roofing industry my whole life. Whenever I was a little girl, my dad used to take me up on the roof with him, give me a 2x4, give me a hammer and a nail, and just give me something to keep me busy all day.
Um I have worked with um architects to help design um or help them to modify their specs because they had the specs written for Firestone and they were putting we were we were putting the roof on Sunny's and IHOP and I had to bring it to their attention that we can't use that because it's um that material is not animal fat soluble. So I've worked with that. I've ran the crews. Um over 20 crews, Hurricane Ivan, Hurricane Michael, Hurricane Sally, uh Gustav, Katrina,
we went to New Orleans um to help with that area at that time. Um so we just want to I just want to continue our family legacy. We've been here for 50 years. I've been pulling permits here since 1990s. So you'll see me on that list. Um, but we just want to continue, you know, I want to continue the legacy uh that my family has built. Well, appreciate that. Thank you. We're familiar with the Freeman name in Escambia County. Uh, does anybody have any questions?
No questions. Look for a motion. Yeah. I make a motion to for accepting her for going to the test. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Motion to approve or second. So we have a motion and we have a second. All in favor raise your right hand.
Motion carries. Congratulations. Thank you. All righty. The next applicant appearing before you today is Mr. Craig Marshall. All right. Mr. Marshall, if you will please come to the podium. State your name and address for the record. Craig Marshall, Navar, Florida, 7544 Loop Street, 32566. All righty. Uh, Mr. Marshall is applying to reciprocate his Okaloosa County license for air conditioning class B with license number RA1367676.
and he appears before you today with six years and 10 months of experience working as journeyman refrigeration specialist for Reliance Test and Technology. He provided us with his W2 forms to verify his experience from 2019 to 2024 along with his state registered license currently active in uh the year of 2025 that you can find in the agenda items. Mr. Commercial responsibilities include but are not limited to repair and maintenance for industrial, commercial and
residential HVAC re uh refrigeration systems. Um ensure projects were completed by rotating shifts while supervising 12 staff members and making list of projects to complete for downtime maintenance according to the documents provided. Now with the consideration of this being an application for reciprocity, staff will defer to the board for final decision. Thank you, Mr. Marshall. Oh, sorry. Yeah, Mr. Marshall, would you like to address say anything to the board? No, sir. Okay. No, sir. Nobody wants to talk today,
huh? All right. I'll leave it to the board if they have any questions. Motion to approve. We have a motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? raise your right hand. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you very much. Good luck. Our next applicant to appear before you is Mr. William Tolbert. Mr. Tolbert,
if you will please come to the podium. State your name and address for the record, sir. William Wesley Tolbert, 770 Novak Road, Canel, Florida 32533. Mr. Mr. Tilbert appears before you today requesting to reciprocate his master plumber with gas license number RF11068023 from Santa Rosa County to Escambia County. He has held his license since May 9th, 2025 in Santa Rosa County. Prior work experience consists of two years working for Rotorooer Plumbing uh from 2002 to 2004. License holder Lane Cheney uh license number CFC1427374.
At that time, the business was owned by the qualifiers father, Mr. Frank Cheney. However, all operations were being ran by the son. Uh, Mr. Cheney, Mr. Frank Cheny's license number was CFC057961. Um, I did reach out and speak to Mr. Cheney. He told me that Mr. Tolbert had experience with infield tech service calls, sewer lines, repipes. Um, he had nothing but very good things to say about the applicant. He was disappointed to lose him. um said he has extremely good craftsmanship
and and would certainly be open to to rehire if that were possible. Uh he also worked for Coastal Plumbing Sewer license holder Michael Davis uh license number RF 11067191 from 2016 to 2018. Uh upon reaching out to Mr. Davis he stated Mr. Tolbert has experience with new single family builds like commercial work uh and did state that he is very qualified. Uh, additionally he did work for First Class Plumbing license holder Travis Rose, license number RF1067561
2017 to 2019. Uh, Mr. Rose stated that he was very reliable, trustworthy, and assisted him with remodels and service calls. You will note that his test scores were included in the application showing that he did pass his trade with a score of 81% uh, business and law with a score of 86% and when we were able to verify financial criminal history is clear. Uh because this is an application for reciprocity, staff will defer to the board for approval. Thank you. Mr. Tolman, do you like to say anything? Uh no, I'm pretty there's I think one of the uh the first one he
brought up, Lane Cheney. Um I think we also got one from his brother Shane or Lane. There's two brothers, Shane Lane, I'm sorry. But but Lane I think actually had the plumbing license. Um and I think the time there um I'm 46. I was I was a young man then. Um, so we we had some good last stories trying to figure out, hey, exactly because I don't have my tax stuff from so I'm like I know I got married at this date I started here. So I think it was actually closer to three years with them anyway, but but I know when Shane did it, we just, you know, had talked. But anyway, so I think there's a little bit more time there. And then I also did a year with the local union,
which is not around anymore, so I can't really verify that one, but I took a little bit of a hiatus. You know, I think Nick had looked up I had my adjournment through Escambia County when I was like 21 years old. Um he did and we did include that in the the packet as well. The journey moment was through Escambia County, I think. So anyway, and then you know me from my when I was a trade specialist for Home Depot. I do have a part-time gig. I still show up a Sunday every once in a while here. So I do. I do. All right. So I'll defer to the board and uh if they have any questions or if they would like to go for a motion. Go ahead. Motion to approve.
Second. We have a motion and a second. Raise your right hand. Motion carries. Thank you. Yeah. All right. And finally, board, our final applicant to appear before you is Mr. Ronald Jansen. Mr. Jansen, if you will please come to the podium and state your name and address for the record. Ron Jansen, 1934 Three Rivers Road, Semino, Alabama. Uh, Mr. Jansson appears before
you today requesting reinstatement of his license. Um he did take his license inactive with the department of business and professional professional regulation of August 31st 2015. He has maintained the inactive status. Uh he did not keep a current inactive status through Escambia County but does wish to bring the license current with us and then maintain that current inactive status from today forward. Um all documentation needed was provided to staff. So staff will defer to the board for reinstatement of this license. Okay. Thank you. Uh Miss Jennifer, have we had
this applicant come in the past or is this the first time? Uh no, this would be the first time I've seen Okay. Mr. Would you like to say anything to the board? Uh no. I think it's just a paperwork issue. My license has been inactive since uh I don't exactly what date, but I got it in 97 and we used it for a few years and then we my brother obtained a building contractor's license. So, we listed mine as inactive just for a backup. You know, with 35 employees, you need to have a backup plan. So, that's the the plan just to put it back in active and
uh just keep it in case something happens. All right. Thank you. I'll defer to the board. Board, any questions? Motion to approve. We have a motion. Need a second. Second. A motion and a second. All in favor, raise your right hand. Motion carries. Thank you. So now we'll move into the probable cause hearings. Yes, sir. Mr. Chairman, our first item uh under probable cause is David G. Rodmacher doing business as Horizon Home Improvement I mean Horizon Home Improvements, Inc. state registered license number RX11066706
contractor competency board complaint number 2550651 COM. It's in regard to um an actual complaint that started within our office. Uh we received um notice that Santa Rosa County had disciplined Mr. Rodmacher and so that was brought to our board for further review since we are his licensing uh jurisdiction. Um this matter was continued from our last probable cause hearing. Uh Mr. Rodmacher had filed an appeal of that decision in Santa Rosa County.
Uh ultimately that appeal was denied. Um that is part of the agenda items. We can go back through uh the investigation report if you would like. Um and we can take it from there. Mr. Rodmarker, are you present today? Mr. Rodunker is not present. So it's at the board's discretion of how you would like to proceed. So our directive would be to move to disciplinary hearing. That's correct. I'm going to bring up the investigation report. Again, we did have this hearing before. Um
and the investigation report uh cited code section 1837C7 um reference revocation or suspension of a certificate holders registration uh by the CIB or by a certificate holder certificate of competency from another jurisdiction may be considered by this board as just cause for suspension or revocation of our certificate of competency. And then uh Melissa has her justification there
along with the um uh supporting documentation. Okay. Thank you. So uh we'd have to do a motion to move it into disciplinary. That is correct. That's what is before this board today is whether you would like to proceed disciplinary. Okay. So if the board wants to discuss, we can discuss. So we can move it to disciplinary. So we need a motion for that. [Music] Do have no discussion. We'll go for a motion. Motion to move to disciplinary hearing. We have
a motion to move to disciplinary. We need a second. We have a second. All in favor, raise your right hand. A motion carries to move to disciplinary for the for the David G. Reter for the alleged violations report section 18-37 C7. Thank you. We should probably get that motion and or make I would redo the motion to make sure that everybody's on board that on the 1837. Okay. So,
just do a re rec um you want to who was who was your first who who did motion to move to disciplinary hearing for violation of code section 18-37 C7. You have a second. Second. Go through the motion again. Go through the vote again. Okay. So, all in favor, raise your right hand. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Our next item is James F. Howard doing
business as James F. Howard Construction, Inc., state registered license number or C29027807. Contractor competency board complaint number 2550762 COOM. It's in regard to Lily Johnson, the complainant at 2301 West M Michigan Avenue, number 39 Pensacola, Florida 32526. Mr. Howard, are you present today?
And Miss Johnson, are you present today? And are you going to provide testimony for this hearing today? At this time, I'm gonna have Miss Johnson and our investigator, Miss Reber, sworn in. Miss Reber will remain sworn for the duration of these hearings. Miss Johnson, if you'd like to, you can just have a seat right here beside Miss Reber. U we're going to go through um uh Miss Reber's investigation and then the board will hear from you.
Miss Reber, was a complaint filed with this board in regard to this case number? Yes, it was. And who is the subject of the complaint? James F. Howard. Doing business is James F. Howard Construction, Inc. And what is the address on file for Mr. Howard? 1310 Missouri Boulevard, Pensacola, Florida 32514. And was notice sent to the respondent in regard to this hearing today? Yes, it was. And are the is the documentation in regard to that notice
attached to the agenda? Yes, it is. What type of license does Mr. Howard hold? He's a state registered roofing contractor. Who is the complainant for this case? Lily O. Johnson. During your investigation, did you uh come up with any alleged violations? If so, can you take us through those violations and your justification as well as any supporting documentation? Yes, I did. Code section 1837D8, mismanagement or misconduct causing financial harm to
the customer. Justification is the roof leaked causing damage to the ceiling inside the home. The my supporting documentation is investigators exhibit C. There's inspection photos. Code section 1837D9H, failure to supervise construction activities. Justification is determination by Escambia County that code violations exist. Supporting documentation investigators exhibit
D. Inspection photos showing code violations. Code section 1837D13C2. Misconduct or incompetency in the practice of contracting. Justification. The deposit was paid on December 11th, 2024 and permitting was not obtained until the required 30-day time frame. supporting documentation ex investigators exhibit E permit issued on May 13,
2025. Attached to the agenda, you also have um the complaint form filed by the complainant uh re-roof proposal that was provided uh proof of payment, notice of commencement, text communications between the parties. Uh again, the notices you have, uh photos that you referenced in your investigation report and the permit, correct? That's correct. Staff
would request that those items be added um as supporting documentation for the hearing. Motion to add supporting documentation. Second. A motion second. All in favor? Raise your right hand. Approved. Thank you. Uh, at this time, Miss Reubber, will you take us through a synopsis of of what this case involved? Uh, Scambia County Building Services staff received a formal complaint from Miss Lilio Johnson alleging that James Howard, doing business as James F. Howard
Construction, Inc., failed to complete a re-roof project on her home in accordance with the Florida Building Code. Miss Johnson further alleges that the roof installation resulted in leaks leaks and interior damage to her home. According to Miss Johnson, she entered into an agreement with Mr. Howard in early December 2024 for a re-roof project. The contract amount was $8,33.75 and she paid a deposit of $4,3375
on December 11th, 2024. Miss Johnson states that she and Mr. Howard had a verbal agreement that the new shingles would match those of her neighboring roof as required by her homeowners uh sorry a homeowners association and the project would be completed by December 31st 2024 for tax purposes. The written proposal however lists December 21, 2025 as an approximate completion
date. Miss Johnson reports that despite read repeated calls to Mr. John Mr. Howard, the roof was not completed by the agreed upon date. On February 14th, 2025, after no work had begun, she requested a refund of her deposit. She alleges Mr. Howard informed her that work would begin that day and sent his son to have her sign a prepared notice of commencement. Miss Johnson further alleges that she contacted Mr. Howard in March of 2025 to determine the
status of the roof and that he advised her the roof had passed inspection. Upon viewing the roof herself, Miss Johnson discovered that the shingles did not match those of her neighbors as agreed. When she raised this issue with Mr. Howard, when she raised this issue, Mr. Howard told her he had provided a better shingle. Miss Johnson states that she confirmed with her HOA that the shingles were required to match and notified Mr. Howard accordingly. She also stated that she
informed him she would not make final payment until the corrected shingles were installed. Miss Johnson reports that she was out of town and upon returning on March 13, 2025, discovered that the roof had leaked. Excuse me. Should be I'm sorry, it May 13, 2025. Discovered that the roof had leaked, causing interior ceiling damage. She contacted Mr. Howard, who said he would personally
inspect the damage. However, only his son arrived to take photos. Although Mr. Howard indicated he would send a crew to repair the roof, Miss Johnson states that to her knowledge, no corrective work was performed. She ultimately hired another contractor to install a tarp until the matter could be resolved. As part of the county's investigation, an inspection of the roof was conducted, during which several code violations were identified. Mr. Howard was notified of both
the complaint and the inspection findings, but failed to respond to either. A search of our records confirmed that a re-roof permit for Miss Johnson's address was issued to James F. Howard Construction on March 13, 2025, and a final inspection was conducted on March 14th, 2025. That concludes our investigation report. Uh again, Lily is here if you would like to
um speak with her and have ask her any questions. Let me just ask one question. So after the final inspection, did it pass? It passed inspection. It was by affidavit. Yeah. But did it pass according to the homeowners association's type of color and all that? No, that's never been correct. Solved. Okay. We don't we don't get invol the county doesn't get involved with trying to figure out her position that you know she's obligated to do what the homeowners association asked and I looked at the images and it definitely showed different
colorations and even the different type of shingles that they use versus architectural versus the straight shingles. Would you like to add anything else on top of that, Miss Johnson? Yes. Thank you for hearing me today. Um I'm just very disappointed in the um in the work that Mr. Howard did. Um the first thing I told him in the text that I sent him was that the roof would have
to be the same as my neighbors because she was the first one. And in fact, the people that just left, Freeman did her roof. But anyway, they did the coloring. And so, because we're like a quadriplex, everybody's has to be the same. And so, that was the very first thing I told him in the text. And so I was first of all I was disappointed because I told him for tax purposes I needed for that
work to be finished and he agreed by the end of December or last year and u I kept calling and calling and he never came never did the work or anything and so In mid February, I called and said, "Hey, nothing has been done. I want my money back." And he told me someone was coming that day.
And I did come the next day and they began the work. And um it was in March. Now, this work was supposed to have been completed in December. So, here we are in mid-March. And um he told me he was through. And so I um I don't live in that house. My brother does. And so I went out and I was I
just went to my knees. I could not believe that it was the wrong color of all things. That was something that I consistently said to him. And so that was in March and I was not going to pay him until he completed made it the same material. And he did tell me that it was a better he put a better shingle on than my neighbor. And in fact, the I had another roofer to come out and who had
put my roof on previously. I called him and he did say it's a better roof. I mean, better shingles, but it's a flat roof. And I don't think they knew what they were doing. Mr. the one that I'm gonna get to do it does know. But um it was just um very frustrating for me. And so I even had said to him,
"Okay, give me half of my money back." I had paid him $4,000 300 $300. I said, "Give me half of my money back and we'll call it a deal." And he never really responded to that. Once I officially filed this, he did say he wanted to work things out with me. So, I said, "I'm open to that." And um
but he never, you know, he never contacted me. I contacted him again and I said, "You're doing what you do. You haven't said anything. You haven't gotten back with me about this." And he told me he was working out of town and when he would be home and if we could meet after that and I told him yes, we could, but he never followed up after that. Okay. All right. Thank you. Uh, do we have
any other violations on Mr. Howard and any other permits that he is currently pulled? Um, we can bring up his permitting history. So, you can view the permitting history. Um, as far as other cases against him, we have had prior complaints, but no, um, disciplinary action like his license has not been revoked or suspended historically. Um, let me just go ahead and bring up that permitting history for you. His license is currently inactive. It is inactive. It is. And he has had complaints
before. So, when did his license go inactive? I'm bringing that up now. Give me just a second. So, what you'll see is I'm bringing up uh his licensing card for Escambia County by searching his name. [Music] Now I this license has not had any action against it. This board has
taken action against his state certified license historically. Okay. So he has two different licenses. Um but we're going to look at this license. um he did not renew it in June of this year. So that is why it's it's an at an inactive status. Uh as far as permitting goes, you can see here, I'll just expand it out to to 50. Um
within the last couple of years, he's got about maybe six, eight that are open still. Uh if you go back further, you'll see either closed, there's some expired. So those mean that means those didn't get finished out. And this is on the license. That's the complaint is on. Correct. That's correct. Okay. And you mentioned he had another license also. He does have a state certified license that is registered with Escambia County. And you will see I'll bring that license up.
He did have cases. Um and in the result of those cases where his permitting privileges were revoked currently. Are they revoked? They are without license. Okay. That's correct. Okay. That was done in 2023. Okay. Uh so u uh any uh discussion from the board? I I I'm not following how did did he pull a permit on the December of 2024, but his licensing privileges, I mean his permitting privileges were pulled. So So that was in with his others license,
his residential contractor's license. This is his roofing license. Uh so he was still able to pull permits under his roofing license. Um, and he pulled the permit for this roof prior to him not renewing his roofing license. Okay, there's no discussion. Uh, we need a motion to move it to disciplinary hearing. Correct. I make a motion to move this into disciplinary hearing. We have a motion to
move it to disciplinary hearing. I'm sorry, I did it wrong. If you could in big motion with the name. If Miss Mary, if you could include what val alleged violations you think occurred, you can cite them by statute. It's on the board. Thank you. It's code number. I apologize. Thank you. Um Okay. make a motion to um move this into disciplinary hearing for James Howard for
statute 18-37D 13C2 misconduct or incompetent in the practice of contracting two above that oh and those also okay and 18-37 7D9H failure to supervise construction activities and 18-37D6 mismanagement or misconduct of co causing financial harm to the customer. D8 D8. Oh, sorry. Okay. So, we have a motion. Second. We have a
second. All in favor, raise your right hand. The motion carries. Thank you. All right, let me clean things up here. Our next item is before we go to the next agenda item. So, in the disciplinary, do we need to have Miss Johnson bring any restitution? That would be a request that we would get that we would put into her um to provide additional documentation in
preparation for that disciplinary hearing. Okay. Our next item is Saul D. Spade doing business as LM Construction and Roofing LLC. State certified license number CGC1535248. Contractor competency board complaint number 2550876 COM. It's in regard to Melissa Sheay, the complainant at 7170 Klondike Road,
Pensacola, Florida 32526. Mr. Spade, are you present today? Okay, perfect. Um, and Miss Shay, are you present today? Miss SE lives out of town. She's going to call in. We proceed with this hearing. Okay. All right. Um, if I'm not mistaken,
right? Right. Okay. So, just to let you know what we were discussing over here, we did receive um communications from an attorney's office and they were going to request a continuence. Um, and so that's what I was kind of asking is is that going to be your request on behalf of Mr. Spade. Um, let me let me slow you down just a moment. If you can come to a microphone, that would be great. And we need your name for the record. Correct. Thank you so much. Yes,
ma'am. My name is Allison Martin. And do you know my address, too? Okay. Uh, 2579 Pine Forest Road, Kanto, Florida 32533. And what is your affiliation with Mr. Spade? Um, so I work for Ellen Construction Roofing. Um, I am an administrative assistant. I also do um the service manager for Elm Construction Roofing. Gotcha. Um, again, we did receive a communication apparently that that person that communicated with us is not here. Um, so what did
you say your name was? I'm sorry. Allison Martin. Martin. Miss Martin, maybe you can we can hear her side of the story and then see what position she draws. I think what we need to figure out is was there going to be a continuence? So, um Logan Martin, the owner of Elm Construction and Roofing, um he wanted me to see if based on documentation that we have if this case could be dismissed. Okay. Um we have documentation demonstrating that Logan Martin as the owner of Elm Construction and Roofing was the sole signer of a purchase agreement for 7170 Klondike Road. Um and let
me let me slow you down. Hold on just a moment. Okay. Um, has this been seen by our staff? No, it hasn't. Why don't we do this? Why don't you give that to the staff? Okay, you're good. And let's take a look at it for a moment and she can give me and that that'll help the board and we can move on to the next one. My st if if if may take a few minutes because I think she's got to handle another case. Does that sound good? You can sit down right there with her and sit if you'd like for a moment. If that's Sorry, that's fine. Sorry. Make sure we're following protocol
and everything. That's it's just if it's something that can be resolved that that information would be good for the board. Understood. Okay. So, we'll move into disciplinary hearing. Yes, we can. Okay. We'll continue this one until after we go through the disciplinary hearing. If I Thank you. We're going to go into the restitution hearing for for uh disciplinary if y'all need to uh still continue to discuss. You just don't need like all picking up on the mic. Um and
so the next item for is restitution only. Uh Christopher W. Brown doing business as Shooting Stars Construction LLC. State registered license number RG00001 9314. Contractor competency board complaint number 2550649 COOM. It's in regard to Jakima McCorvy, the homeowner complainant at 1819 North A Street, Pensacola, Florida 32501. Um, proper notice was sent to the respondent. Um,
this hearing is only in regard to restitution only. At our last hearing, um, Mr. Brown was found in violation and you requested that Miss McCorvy come back with uh some restitution numbers. Um Miss McCorvy is present today. Um I'm going to go ahead and have her sworn in. She did provide us some documentation. Um but it was after the agenda went out. So I have that uh for you. Um Miss McCorvy, if you could please come to the podium and state your name and address, and I'm going to have you sworn. Ready?
M Corby 1819 North A Street, Pensacola, Florida 32501. All right, Miss McCorvy, if you want to go ahead and give them a rundown of the document that I've distributed. You have a copy of it. Here you go. You can use mine. There you go. having contractor that has looked at the property since we've discussed this. Do you
need to speak with him as well? Miss McCorvy, if you could just pull the mic to you. Um, and what Miss McCorvy has stated is that since the time she sent this to us, she does have an another additional item. She has a contractor here um to to make corrections. Um, and she would like for him to speak as well. That's fine. Mhm. Um, we have I guess you could speak up just a little bit too, please. Thank you. We've determined I guess that about 17% of the work has been done to the property. Um, which on the back page is
where we broke down the correct amounts as to the contract amount, what was actually paid out and what would be the restitution amount. And that total came up to $15,000 $442.50. So, if I'm reading this correctly, the total amount of the contract was 180,000. Total paid was 52,17250.
That's to the subcontractor. Subcontract. And then the balance remaining is 12782750. Mhm. And you're saying 17% of the work was done, right? Which calculates you 21,730, correct? 75,000 has been paid less a balance of 53,270 that you're saying is that you're requesting to be refunded
back to you or put in for restitution. Yes. Okay. How did you come up with the 105442? Come forward. That would be a great So what what Miss McCorvy included in here appears to be what she also paid to the subcontractors. That should have been the responsibility of Miss uh Okay. Okay. she paid the additional 52,17250
I mean um the the 53,270 to subcontractors. Do we have documentation of that? We do. It was attached to the agenda. Okay. Um at the and it's been verified. Okay. Yes sir. So you went ahead evidence. Yes. So again to just kind of clarify, you've paid the contractor at 52,17250 and then you yourself paid the subcontractors 53,270. No, I paid the subcontractors a total of 52,000. Okay.
And I paid the actual contract 75,000. 75,000. Okay. And then minus the 17% comes to the 53. Okay. Okay. Did everybody understand that? Okay. So, your request right now is $45,442.50, right? But now that the contractor has looked at the property, he's saying that the accessory building is no good at all. That the whole building has to come down because it's been left unattended
for two years and it was never dried in. So, everything that's in there isn't any good anymore. So, uh, is there any open permits on this job right now? No. Have you? No. The permitting is currently at an expired status. Understand it. Yeah. And this is in the city limits, right? Yes. Yes.
Any uh questions or comments from the board? Yes. Are you planning to get u I guess an estimate on the accessory building and try to add that or what? Good morning. Could you state your name? Contractor with design home builders. Um
have 35 year experience doing this. First time in front of the board with you guys. But I try to help them is give us your name. What they just did. Excuse me. Give us your name, man. They know me for a while. I've been doing a lot of work for the county and housing department and what whatever. Excuse me. Doctor, give us your name. Name and address. Name and address. I'm sorry, sir. Your name and address. Well, what I'm trying to say is what what they did in there is that that house been open. Hello. I'm sorry. You may What is your name? I'm sorry. I'm sorry,
sir. Yeah. I'm sorry. My name is Jose Antonio Fernandez. My company is Design Home Builders. Um, and your address? Your company address? My address from is 2460 Bluff Circle, Pensacola, Florida, 32503. All right. Thank you. Now, go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm a little deaf and I have a hard time to understand. Thank you. Um I have no I have a short time and notice to access the entire building. It's two buildings. It's one apartment, two storage on the back of the property and the front
of the property. They It's a new construction. Uh it's a lot of flaws. Um a lot of stuff done no to coat. I guess they've been done instance, no windows, uh impact, no protection. It's going to have to be redone a lot of parts uh in the house uh to meet coat and to pass inspections. My main concern is the back part of the house or the back house to storage which has been exposed to
the weather for the last four years has been say that all the plywood subfloor walls etc has been they are been is rotten. It's all the wood is rotten. So it's not just the restitution of the money they will get or not being paid is they will have to demo half of that building to to make it liveable or finish the construction part of it. So it's sad that we have contractors and you guys see it every day to do this this kind of shaggy work and not complete the job. You know this is
this is I guess when we say contractors I say it be for good or bad. It's like I get married with my trade. It's not good. I definitely don't have no estimated to tell you how much it's going to be. The redone on the two storage building on the back, but the framing part of the house is done and still had to be redone. Some of the parts they did that they missed the plans and they have the back part of the house. We're talking about again, the two storage house on the back. They
build them backwards. I don't know. So they I'm doing some work for the family. They say I want they want me to go l the house which I did and I'm here. I don't know the procedure on it. Like I said I never been here but they they just know the restitution. They will have to including some additional cost to redo what they did been done. But you don't have that amount. No sir. No. At no point was I mean finish it. I know he probably the cost that we already being exposed and open. It's
$50 some thousand dollar he spend it was what he spent. I don't know how much they pay. I didn't went to that detail on it. I never got request to get that but uh I mean it's it's going to be over $100,000 to do the back. Everything had to come out. Plywood, roofing, decking, subfloors because moing unfortunately you don't have no pictures. I I thought you got some pictures of the uh You got any pictures submitted? Oh, well, you got some pictures. So, it can pictures tell you more
words that works. The pictures he's referencing were previous pictures that were attached. Is that Yeah, we sell. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. Before he gets away, um sorry, if you could come back, please. I'm sorry. I apologize, but because of the confusion um getting his name, we didn't get him sworn in. And so if we could have So what we need you to do is swear that the testimony you gave was the truth. Can you do that in reverse for us? Yes. Okay. You swear that the
testimony you just gave is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So he'll be to say all that. No. No. Just yes or no. That's true. Thank you. That's it. Thank you. I appreciate it. Okay. Sorry about that. Okay. So, currently uh you're asking for restitution of 10544250. Of course, with the gentleman's testimony right now that he's saying it's going to be uh whatever the dollar amount is to put it back in his place. But also reference he said around 100,000. Uh so your
restitution's for 105 and he's saying it's going to take 100,000 to finish the job that needs to be done correctly on the accessory building. Yes. On the accessory building. Okay. All right. So uh we don't have that. We guess the option would be to wait if you'd like to wait and again I'm throwing this out there to get that number and then bring it back to us or would you like us to make a motion? Would you like us to move forward with the 1005? Because without anything in writing, uh, you know, we can't just arbitrarily say it's going to cost the next amount of. We
need documentation to show with, uh, with pictures and stuff stating that here's the what's going to have to be redone from what's already been done by the previous contractor. I'm taking a look at this. asking um what she's asked what she's asked for so far is the reimbursement for what you your expenditures are already. So she were given um if the if you were to order that she have the restitution of $105,000 $442 and I mean $15,442.50
then that would make her whole as to the contract, right? And then and then basically what she would just do what she would do is recontract or get a new contract with a new contractor and then that necessaril that's not necessarily a matter of reimbursement. Gotcha. Does that does that make sense to you? So it would start her over from the beginning as if she had never contracted with contract with once she gets this follow through with the 105,000 restitution. Right. Is that what you're asking for? Okay.
I I'll look to the board for direction on either a motion or discussion. We've seen where people come back with more information to get more restitution. So, was that something that would apply in this case? That's why I was trying to establish with her what she what she wanted because that would allow the the you to make a final decision um and issue a
final order. Um you you could reserve. However, if if getting her money back makes her whole on the original contract um and the and basically what you're doing is going into new construction um to repair all the damages. Well, if the accessory building isn't any good as of now, would that count into the 17% that we're giving him credit for? Right? So, that's why you need to make sure that the that's and that's what they're asking is what is your um what do you anticipate is going
to be your total damages? Um not just what you lost on the contract, but what it's going to cost you to fix what his damage caused. So, so that would be the additional 100,000. Yes, ma'am. But you would need that in writing. Well, you would need to bring some documentation of that. That's that's why they're So, basically what they're asking is they can they can and I don't know anything about this individual. We may be talking monopoly money right now. So, I mean that's kind
of that's a lot of times unfortunately that that is what happens. Um, we can order things, the board can order things, but in my experience, it's really hard to get restitution. So, what they're saying is they can order that amount now and leave it open for you to come back with additional information. I think that's what you're ask jurisdiction over it as far as if there's new uh restitution amounts. Correct. That's what they're looking to do is maintain jurisdiction
over the restitution. I think that's but go ahead and issue the order for the 105. I think that's what I'm hearing the discussion. It is. Does that answer your question, Mr. Waters? Thank you. Another question. Uh, do we have anything from the city building inspection department about this case? I don't have any um documentation. I believe the inspection history was part of the previous. We didn't receive anything additional from from what we received previously from the
city. Permits are expired. It's it's still at a status of, you know, sitting where it was left off. Would you like to look at the original some of the original evidence? No, it's I just know the city they are pretty tough. So, I just wanted to know what their position was on it. I think that's kind of why he walked away from it was because of the the push back from the city. I don't think he was prepared for that. Yeah. A lot of the
request has to be done online and you can go in there and walk out still without an answer. A lot of that you got to figure out on your own. And a lot of the old school guys just don't understand how to do the paperwork that's required online. I think we had to go through about three months before we figured out that we needed two separate permits for both for each unit. Each one had to have its own separate permit. So, they never could get those. It took us about three months to figure that out. And that's I think when
I finally met Mr. was when we ended up at the city together and having to try to figure out why we couldn't move forward with the accessory building with the single family dweller. Understood. So, we're seeking a motion or I make a motion to approve the $15,442.50
for restitution and leave it open for her to come back for additional from the um accessory building. subject to clarify the motion. It's um to award the mount requested and to maintain jurisdiction for the purposes of additional restitution. Maintain the jurisdiction for the restitution. Come back. We have a motion. We have a second. We have a second. All in favor, raise your right hand. Motion carries. Thank you. when you do and if you do uh have uh bids that you've
done that shows replacement uh you can get with staff and bring it over. We'll do. Thank you guys. Okay, we're going to circle back to Saul Spade uh probable cause hearing at this time based on additional information that staff received. Staff is actually going to request a continuence. We do not have enough time to go over what is being provided and get something to present to the board in regard to what what we received. Also, Miss Sheay um has confirmed with Melissa,
our investigator, Miss Reverber, that she wants to be present. So, she's going to make arrangements to also come as well to to the next hearing. So, staff is requesting a continuence. Do we need a motion for a continuence? If I can get a motion for continuence, please. Motion for continuance. Second. We have a motion. We have a second. Do we need to identify what we're all Okay. It'll be at our next scheduled hearing. That be the next. Okay. All in favor raise your
right hand. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Our our next item is Jeffrey W. Meyers doing business as Jeff Meyers. Construction, Inc. State Registered License number RR R282811736 contractor competency board complaint number 2550765 COMM. Again, this is in regard to our actual board bringing um an investigation uh as a result of Santa Rosa County's uh taking action
against a license. Uh Mr. Meyers is present today. Uh this was this matter was continued from our last board meeting. Um at that time Mr. Meyers spoke about a potential appeal and so the board determined to continue the hearing. Um we have been in communication with Santa Rosa County about that appeal. Um communications that we received were from Mr. Danheiser and
uh Vanessa and they had requested additional documentation from Mr. Meyers for that appeal and have to date not received uh that. Um Mr. Myers again is present today. Uh if he's going to provide testimony, I'm going to go ahead and have him sworn in. [Music]
Yes, ma'am. Is that the board's discretion on how they would like to proceed? I can bring the administrative complaint up um and just remind the board of what was determined at the probable cause hearing. Um they determined that there was probable cause to believe that the respondent violated code section 1837 C7. Again, that's revocation or suspension of a certificate holders registration
by the CL CIB or another jurisdiction. Um, it's up to the board. Okay. So, I think you guys just mentioned that Santa Rosa didn't get the documentation they requested. I've been sending Tom all the paperwork that he's asked me to send. Okay. She wanted a breakdown on each thing and I've sent that to him and I've showed her all the emails and stuff that I've
sent him and all of it. So yeah, but currently right now as far as where we're positioned is they don't have that and we have to of course based on Santa Rosa County, Scambia County, we have to kind of look at what they're going to stand and what position they're going to be in before and again my opinion that we can move forward with your request. Right. in the backup there were there are emails attached between Mr. Meyers and um Mr. Danheiser um and then also the signed final order from San Rosa County uh within the emails
Mr. Danheiser um says that he hasn't received the below referenced information as of yet. Um, so and that being the factual argument against the homeowner's allegation, I I'm not sure what all the attorney uh requested from Mr. Meyers. I just know that that is where this matter stands with Santa Rosa right now. They are telling us that they are waiting on Mr. Meyers. Okay. I'm just going through the thread and that's what's attached.
Vanheiser told me he said they the document that I'd signed on getting the final payment wasn't a big issue. The issue was to show where I didn't where the homeowner paid out of his pocket and stuff. And that's the stuff that I've been sending him. We did send a request um to Santa Rosa to see if they could have uh someone present today. Um
not here. Yeah, that is correct. You're wrong. I mean, currently currently your request from this board is to reciprocate. Is that No, no, no, no. So, um, what's before the board is whether we're going to is whether the board is going to discipline Mr. Meyers, um, based on our administrative complaint. Are you going to find him in violation of being, uh, having his license suspended or revoked in another jurisdiction? Um, Mr. Myers has said, "Hey, I'm trying to file an
appeal." This board has continued this matter a few times, waiting on the outcome of that appeal. The communications we're receiving from Santa Rosa are appeal really hasn't been filed because we are requesting this information and have not received it. Okay. So they did issue a final order in this case. But whereas this board has an appeal window, Santa Rosa's board does not have a time frame in which an appeal has to be filed. Understand? And currently,
is Mr. Myers able to pull permits in Escambia County? Can you repeat that, sir? Currently, right now, is Mr. Mer able to pull permits in Escambia County? He is because this board has not taken any action against him. Okay. Is there any violations against the license? Currently, not to date. This is the first hearing in my history with the board that we've had regarding Mr. Myers. Does he have any active permits in Escambia? I can look that up. Yes, I do.
Have one on Wel Drive. Okay. What is the project? It's a detached garage. Here is the license card uh for Mr. Myers. As you can see, there's no B banners up top uh referencing any uh disciplinary associated permits. Um, like he said, he does have one at 11:02 WEL. There is an open permit from 2022 on Turnberry. Um,
it may just be that it's not admin like closed. It did get its inspection, didn't get closed. That could be a reason for that. But his only open project really appears to be 11:02 Wel. Okay. So you you see you understand our position right Mr. Yes sir I do. Uh so um but I haven't done anything wrong in Escambia County and we're working on that appeal for Santa Rosa County. So,
you know, in my opinion, you know, I shouldn't be punished twice is the way I look at it when I've got good standing with you folks over here. How long have you held a license in Escami County? 200 8 10 something like that, I don't remember. So, he has definitely been holding the license ever since we switched over to our new system. So, that was in 2017. Um, and and I would have to do some research to see exactly when he
obtained it. Um, oh, it's been right after I got my Santa Rosa. That's been 2007 or eight. The board has any questions? So, our options right now, one or two asking. So, um I'm going to hand this back to Melissa. This is this is an email uh and from um Santa Rosa. Go ahead. Before she goes into it,
um I've read what she's about to read. I just want to make sure the board is aware that this is as an email. It's a public record. Um she can read the content into the record. If the board agrees to allow that to come in as evidence, that would be another motion um for evidence to be entered as public record and then she can subject it to followup. I don't think that he u Mr. Myers has seen it. Um so I would allow him to read it first before you read it into the record. So this is a communication between Santa Rosa County and our department. Okay.
This is actually continue together. Tom is
all right. Um I see that um Mr. Myers has had an opportunity to review it until they're useful. Mr. Patel, sorry. I see that um I see that Mr. Myers has had an opportunity to review um the the public record tech email. Um even though it hasn't been printed, I believe they want to move that into evidence by reading it into evidence. Um and then that would be subject to being added to the public record that's online. You would need a motion before or after? You would do the motion before. Okay. Can I have a motion? Motion to move the
email into evidence. Second. Second. All in favor, raise your right hand. Motion carries. If Mr. Myers has an objection, this would be his opportunity to object to the evidence. He certainly can still comment on it, but if he doesn't have an objection to why it shouldn't come in, okay, as a public record. And that's how it's being admitted as a public record. Okay.
Melissa, if you could read that email in give Mr. I don't Mr. Myers couldn't hear what we were talking about. So the board um has voted that they would listen to the email that's being that Miss Reber has. You don't have any objection to them hearing it? Thank you. This is an email on October 23rd. Uh, I sent to Santa Rosa, but uh, Vanessa is the complaints investigator over there. I said, "Good afternoon,
Vanessa. The CCB continued Jeff Meyer's disciplinary hearing last month after he informed us that he was working with attorney Danhauser. We've rescheduled the hearing for November 5th. Are you aware of any updates or developments regarding his appeal or whatever stage that process is currently in?" He led us to believe he was still working on the appeal with the county. She came back and said, "Good afternoon. He is not working on an appeal with Santa Rosa
County. I have sent his final order to DDPR. Our county attorney asked him several times for information regarding his appeal and we never received any documentation from him." Then I went on to say that was the last update Jennifer had from Mr. Danhauser. I believe you spoke with him. Just wanted to double check before my notices went out today. I have the final order that you sent to me. And that was our last Okay. Thank you. She had already
I'd already got a copy of the final order thing from Vanessa in the mail at my house. way before the 23rd and me and Dan was still talking and stuff on all that. So, she's one of them that I proved um on the thing that she didn't want to take credit for saying some wrong stuff to me. If I could assist the board, it's um it's procedural that you have to have the final order,
right? And able to appeal the final order. So, that's a procedural thing. If I don't I don't know that you're saying it was issued incorrectly. You're just saying that you that's what you're appealing is the final order. Yes. Okay. And you do plan on appealing. Yes. Okay. Oh, yeah. And you provided us the original communication that you had. Santa Rosa did not provide me anything else. Do you have anything? I don't further as far as the communication with him. I'd have to
look it up. Attached to the agenda is the last communication we have from Mr. Danheiser. Um um in August they requested the factual argument um of Mr. Meyers and then um in September Mr. Mr. Danheiser says, "I haven't received in the below referenced information." And that's the last communications that that we have that was forwarded to us from Mr. Myers.
I think with it, uh, Mr. Danheiser is just looking to receive the factual argument against the homeowner's allegation. And so, Mr. Meyers, if he wants to continue with the appeal, which he says he does, then he just needs to send that into Mr. Danheiser. So I in my humble opinion I would say we just continue it until the appeal process is completed or give him an allotted amount of time to do the appeal. I agree. Got your mic on. I make a motion
to continue. Hold on. I was listening to what Miss Luna said. Okay. Um I know that there Pause on the motion. You do have a permit out. Do you have a house on that you're building here right now? It's a a detached garage, but it's finished. Okay. So, you just need to be aware that you have a project that's in the works. Um or or almost finished, sounds like, or finished. We don't have a closed permit on it yet. Correct. So, um I what you're suggesting is your second part of your suggestion,
my advice to you would be that you do want to set limits on that because you don't want to leave these cases hanging out there. Um the the fortunate part for the county is that we don't we're not dealing with a victim. Um so if you had a victim, you would probably be in a different posture. So just keep that in mind. You this in this situation that's I came from the criminal justice world. You call them victims. It doesn't mean that you're a bad person. Um, hope I'm not. You don't have a complaintant, I should say, beyond what is actually happening is because it was actions against his license in Santa Rosa. So, you know, you're in a more
uh favorable position to allow you some leniency. So my question with that um because we are going into the holiday season so I feel like putting it on a 30 60 day is too few because we also have Santa Rosa dealing with an attorney and I know how bureaucracy goes and local government can be a little slow. Um so would a good suggestion be 90 days? What would be your opinion? Well, I think that's a discussion for um the for you to have before you make your motion with the board.
So, what's the temperature for the board? Let's see. This is November. We got the fingers out. May be helpful to get some information from your um from your investigator or from your board secretary to know how long this has been going. You know, when when was the final order entered and that type of thing. I can tell you in in Escambia County when we do an appeal, it's very it's a very quick turnaround. And also if you're going to file an appeal with the appellet court,
you have 30 days. So these things move quickly this level. But is there um a time duration for San Rose? I thought I heard that there isn't any in the appeal process. There is not like statute limitations, I guess. Well, there's still going to be appellet if he was going to go appeal to a circuit court. He state law, but it sounds like their county appellet practice does not have amended. I I haven't read it, but that's that's what I was that's what I heard as well. Well, actually within the final order, it says not they have a notice of appeal within 15 days
of the date of this of execution by filing petition with the Santa Rosa County Board of County Commissioners. Um whenever I spoke with u the building official um she didn't mention that, but I do see in this final order that it there is that statement in there. Um this was done and ordered and executed back in July. Um we heard this case originally in August. Um so and that just to be clear that's just notice of appeal. That doesn't mean the
appeal has been filed. That just means that you you put them on notice whatever that however you handled that. So that's what that's another thing that we don't know whether or not the notice was time well handling. Yeah. I understand 60 pack paperwork and stuff that he asked me to. Right. I understand that. I'm just trying to make sure everybody understands the how the how these notices work. And so if if you're having if you had communication with him within 15 days, that's a Santa Rosa question for them to resolve. So I'm just trying to make sure everybody
understands. It doesn't mean that the app appeal has to be filed within in 15 days. It means that you have to have given notice in San Rosa that you were going to appeal the case. In state court, it would have been it would have had the notice would have had to been filed in 30 days and the appeal would have had to been filed within 70 days of the 30-day notice. So, Tim, I believe you received communications that he did file within the window, correct?
if you could speak to that. [Music] I used to do work for his dad. I'm not a bad person. Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh yeah, I don't think they have a deadline and uh way I understand it, he has applied for an appeal, but waiting on other information. So, what was the date on the notice of appeal? What was the date on the order? The date on the
order was July 25th. That is correct. Um the uh date was July 25th when this was executed. So that means that he filed that notice if if that's correct his notice was filed within 15 days of July 25th which would put it before mid August. Um and it appears that things have been September October. I'm just trying to help you give you your if you're going to give a continuence I want to make sure that you understand that you you set your control window. Um once again like
I said we don't have a complainant. Yeah I apologize. So we don't have a complaining and um so that kind of gives you some some leeway but you also want to keep in mind currently there are no open permits in Escambia County and I don't know I don't recall the seriousness of the case that was in Santa Rosa. Well there's an open permit. I apologize but it doesn't sound like there's any new jobs. No myself too. I just want to get it over with and all done.
Yeah, I agree. That's like I told the board in the first time I come over here, I can't get a fair hearing in front of that board over there and taming Vanessa there. I understand what you're saying. I'm just trying to make sure our board understands what they can do procedurally. That's that's all that's all I can do. Thank you. Okay. And I did confirm with him that the last communication that there was between him and Mr. Mr. Danheiser was October 1st where Mr. Danheiser
asked him for some additional information. So that's the last communication. What is that additional information he's requesting from you? Um yeah, he has a whole a whole list of Is the list outside of the email? No, it's it's all part of the record. Okay. It was basically I think asking his argument. I got you. Yeah. It was what the homeowner had
said that he had paid out of his pocket and Tom wanted me to go ahead and explain to him why I don't know that on different there was different breakdowns that he had sent. And can you do that, ma'am? Can you do that? Yes. Okay. Do you think you can do that within the next 30 days? Get that to Mr. Well, it depends on my knee. I'm supposed to have surgery, a knee replacement on it and on my hand. So, okay.
Should Yeah. Okay. What we looking at? So, you thinking 30 or 60 days? 30. But yeah, I'm not in favor of uh letting this continue to drag on. Okay, 30 days is good. And you can always do diction or dictate it to the Okay. I make a motion to continue to our next board meeting with this agenda item
to give him approximately 30 days to get the appeal in and processed to Mr. Danheiser with Santa Rosa County for that factual argument going against the list of alleged expenses that the homeowner paid out of pocket. Second. Second. All in favor raise your hand. Right hand. Motion carries. Yeah, you summed it up perfectly. Why thank you so much, sir. If you can like Tom there, I'd like to say
If you can get that information to Santa Rosa County, it'll help us make a decision. I'll do it. All right. Thank you. And good luck with your All right, board. There's nothing else on our agenda. Uh we will not see you again before Thanksgiving. So, happy Thanksgiving. Motion to adjurnn. I guess we got a motion. All right. Thank you everybody. Appreciate it.