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you looked at what I probably not yeah just like we did it before know Al let me go back right your immedate it you f it's just 
a speaker form I don't think you have to fill   out a lot of stuff sign form yeah where's the the 
speaker request forms they're probably in the Box   we just want to see you walk back and forth like the old chair did you want to tell a joke oh it was up there sorry add dud 
address listen why all you women   always want my address my phone number 
what the heck we don't want your phone   number trust me we don't want your 
phone number you got it I got your number I should just have one of 
these on file for every meeting lar we have I think they all got a file the Larry file you know I've never had 
a tet shot in my whole life   never had tetus although there's 
a lot of people wish I get that is okay all right good morning everyone we call this meeting 
to order scam County compy board our regular   meeting February the 5th 9:00 in the morning Madam 
Secretary do we have a quorum this morning yes sir good deal good to see Miss Christie back today do we have a proof of publication yes sir 
Mr chairman it was published in the Pensacola   News Journal on January 30th 2025 okay do I 
have a motion to accept the minutes of the   previous meeting January 8 2025 so moved second 
second okay all in favor raise your right hand   all pull same sign seeing none hear none 
motion is carried do we have anyone signed   up for public form today yes sir Mr chairman 
we have Larry DS Jr can we say no just kidding are we allowed to limit the public we have 
a 30 second ruled it's up to theair Mr DS would   you like to approach the podium and absolutely 
tell us what matters because I'm sure you will oh   all right let me start off with my usual Larry 
DS Junior Plumbing LLC because feal matters all   right this here is just for you know because y'all 
did participate most of y'all did participate in   the the planemic the scamdemic the real Anthony 
fouchy Irwin can you believe everybody followed   a man who needed a preemptive pardon now who 
needs a pardon and accepted a pardon you can't   make that up nothing says follow the science 
like your hero needing a pardon it's amazing   anyways uh also if y'all would contact your uh 
ECUA board uh representative and tell them that   our Dr Florida our Florida Surgeon General Dr 
Joseph ladipo calls for a halt in the fluoride   which they call it fluoride you know injecting 
into the water but it's really hexor acylic acid   it's a byproduct of making phosphate it's not 
fluoride but our our lots of studies our our   Florida Surgeon General said that these studies 
say that it lowers the IQ on children now that   seems kind of par for the course y'all think we've 
had a little bit of lower IQ level more compliance   also these corporate chemical injections called 
vaccines lower the testosterone in boys their   sperm count all of it and if y'all think I'm 
kidding you this well this is from Dr Joseph   lpo he called for a halt in the use of covid 
mRNA vaccinations whole letter here he sent that   to every doctor in the state this right here and 
I'm just trying to educate you know educate about   the real science this is the real science of the 
safety data insert sheets for the co for the Tdap   the MMR it's all non science they say in every one 
of these you go to 13.1 and it says whatever the   product is let's just say Co let's say uh RSV it 
says 13.1 commity or Spike back if you going with   a madna has not been evaluated for carcinogenic 
mutogenic or impairment and male fertility and   it says that across the board the only thing that 
changes is on some of them it says impairment and   fertility it doesn't say males isn't that weird 
we have a repopulation rate in our country of 1.5   right now it takes 2.6 to maintain the same level 
same number of people in a society we in trouble   and if you I don't know if y'all have noticed but 
the males that we have seem to be uh having a hard   time becoming men you know the the boys there's 
that I call it uh LTM Pro uh you know it's a LTM   syndrome low testostrone Mals their sperm counts 
down they're having a hard time becoming men and   we happen to need men in this country we need them 
I I know lots of people think that you know that   men can do everything women can do and women 
can do everything men can do but that's that's   a lie that's not biological science we need 
them so anyways Irwin when it comes to drugs   especially pharmaceutical corporate chemical 
injections just say no thank you thank you   Mr DS hopefully you won't have uh the flu in 
two weeks after I don't care if I do the flu   don't bother me none of it does anybody else on 
public for no sir we have no other sign up good deal contractor applications uh we have board 
secretary oh board secretary status report   excuse me I yes sir this time um I would like to 
request an add-on for Mr Robert Bose to qualify   an additional entity he had his application in 
before the agenda it just got missed putting it   onto the agenda it should have been on the agenda 
um so at this time I'm just requesting that this   could be added on could you spell it Robert b o 
z or b s b s and I believe we've already we have   his application to distribute okay good good good 
we'll add him to number a motion so move second   all in favor raise your right hand all opposed 
same sign see none here none motions approved to   add it to our agenda today Dante is going to pass 
out that um application now good deal he's a good man thank you thank you sir and that's it for the board secretary 
status upd okay so we'll move into our   contractor applications and when we 
get to number five Mr Boz will will   give enough time for everybody to really 
preview that appropriately as well so   ready yes uh good morning board um the first 
applicant that is Du to appear before you today   is Mr Joshua Campbell um and Mr Joshua Campbell 
if you are present today please come to the podium uh board members I believe Mr Joshua 
kampbell is not present at this meeting today   I did confirm with him yesterday his um I'm 
unsure of his his whereabouts today it can   still be presented to the board as an application 
and it'll be at the discretion of the board on   whether they approve or disapprove all right so 
I'll continue if I may all right so um Mr Campbell   uh he's applying for the application to take the 
demolition examination and appears before well if   he was here before you today with 16 years and 
27 days of experience um he work he works under   the uh Renaissance Incorporated with a Class 
A Wrecking license with the license number wh1 1800001 all right so Mr Campbell license 
is based out of the city of Indianapolis   Indiana including in the package you will find 
the copies of Mr Campbell's license along with   the definition of the corresponding license 
type uh his past experience include but not   limited to uh being a project manager construction 
operations manager and field operations manager um   furthermore he has passed the following exams 
with dbpr by way of Pearson view Examination   for the business finance general contractor 
administrator as well as a general project   manager and see we are awaiting his State sorry 
we are awaiting his State Certified license and   staff is deferring to the board for approval or 
denial of the application so what has happened   here is this applicant applied also to the state 
and is anticipating that he would receive a State   Certified license however there's a specific 
project that he was wanting to be a part of so   he came here to the county to in hopes that he 
could get licensed quicker uh the tests that he   passed with the state uh are not the required 
examinations for demolition uh he did pass the   business side of it but he would still have to 
pass the Examination for demolition it's his   hope that he could do that rather quickly so he 
could take part in this project that he would like to do I have any comments from the board I'm 
looking at his list of licenses and they're   all based out of state am I correct and saying 
that with the exception of this one is applying   for they are that is correct he holds a number 
of licenses in other states uh specifically   for verification he did want to utilize his 
class A Wrecking license out of Indianapolis   so his examination which was passed was General 
Contractor um he has passed that with the state   but based on time he's wanting to come here for 
the demolition the state just has not issued that   license to him as of yet so I'm going to take 
it as going to sub this job out I believe he   anti from speaking with him I believe it is it 
is his um desire to perform that scope of work himself chair can I speak on this one it's agenda   I don't think so uh Mr D let's let us 
work through this first if you don't mind you said that he was going to 
be present today I called I actually   called and spoke with him yesterday um around 
11:00 and he confirmed he would be here um I'm   not sure why he's he's not I know he was 
flying down maybe he's delayed you know   but travel possibly why do we do this if 
it's okay with the board just put it off   till later if he shows up we can discuss 
can we table this to the end of the agenda   today just give an opportunity let's do 
that give him a chance in case something happened is anyone able to contact him just 
to see okay fantastic and we'll do that we'll   move it to is that okay Miss chrisy if we 
move it to the end of the agenda and just   keep it active for for the day and then 
decide at the end yes the board can move   items around when it becomes necessary do 
we need a motion for it or just to move no   I think as the board chair you can approve or 
dis or disapprove anything that's come before   so I will approve to move item number one to 
the end of the agenda today in case Mr Kimmel   arrives yes Nick is going to make a phone call 
to get good deal let's do that give him a fair   chance M okay um I'm going to go ahead and and 
take next's place for until he comes back um for this um our next item is Stephen Andrews 
application for reciprocity RC 29279 33 Mr Andrews   is coming for before this board for reciprocity of 
his license from Santa Rosa County um he normally   reciprocity does not come for review before 
this board but because there were some yes is   checked within the application this it's up to the 
board to make the decision I believe Mr Andrews is   present correct Mr Andrews if you will come to 
the podium state your name and address for the record my name is Stephen Andrews uh 
my address is 4754 autumnale Drive Pace Florida the board's now going to 
review your application and and   they may have some questions for you absolutely so um I see your explanation letter of what happened 
and we've all had none of us is Lily white so   don't don't feel like you're contaminated because 
of something happened that's absolutely that's   that's a growing up process sometimes 
absolutely yeah it's a thing is kind of um going on your experience here I got this right you're you're applying 
for roofing right yes sir and then where's the   where is the roofing experience I I don't 
see I know we require was a minimum of   two years and I know you're like one year 
11 months so it's actually four years of   that are required okay and I don't see that I I 
um well um um 45311 and the uh Florida code states   that um you can have one year of experience 
with three years of college experience for   uh lure yeah college experience in that field I 
don't see college experience in um it says any   college credits so what what what Mr Andrews is 
referencing is the requirements to have a license   State Statewide yeah yeah not necessarily the 
requirements to have a license in Escambia County   it's at the discretion of the board on whether 
they're going to honor what he has put forth as   his experience but the County's recommendation is 
four years the County's requirement four years of   experience um they they do have some breakdowns 
and historically this board has allowed college   education like Mr liser has said if it's within 
the tra um but again the state does allow for   any type of college education with one year of 
supervisory role experience in the trade that's   what their requirements say um so that's why 
Mr andu is is applying because he fulfills that   state requirement is the state any college credits 
period so they have I thought there was some gers   in there yes it breaks down in in three different 
um BC kind of thing right I have the book If you   would like to see it excuse I got it um a is where 
you have college experience in the trade and then   a lesser oneye hands-on experience in the trade uh 
the second one is actually four years of hands-on   experience with one year of supervisory role okay 
and then the third option is any kind of college   experience but supervisor supervisory role um 
so it it it there's several options license   right right and we um you haven't met those 
qualifications for the state license yes sir I you   receive state license yeah I have a uh certified 
residential license but but not Roofing no no sir   but I would assume it would have followed the stam 
no there's some caveats there if I'm not mistaken   that like Jennifer was saying there's certain 
things there you can't just have I'm just going   to use something random like four years of Nursing 
and come get Roofing license may I uh approach the   beach the bench with the uh I have it book we 
we we we're pretty prepared here I think we we   know what we're so so what you're seeing on your 
screen now is Florida statute 48911 you you said   453 earlier it's 489 um that's construction and 
you see items one two three now this is for Lure   by examination with the state mind you so it's on 
the screen see what correct so item one is having   that bachelor's degree and I'm actually going to 
try to bring it up a little bit bigger just so   everybody can see it a bachelor's degree from an 
accredited forye college in the appropriate field   of engineering architecture build and construction 
and one year of proven experience in the category   in which the person seeks to qualify so that 
doesn't have to be a supervisory role it could   just be one year of Hands-On but it has been 
the field of engineering architect or building   construction that's correct right right um number 
two is the four years of active experience as a   worker who has learned by trade serving as 
an apprenticeship or a skill work worker um   and have at least one year as a foreman so that's 
where you TP that's what we typically see in this   in this IND um and then three is the one that 
Mr Andrews is referencing and it's says has a   combination of not less than one year experience 
as a foreman and not less than three years of   credits for any accredited college level course 
that's what he's coming to this board with today and and just to remind the board this is not 
to take the examination you're not allowing   him to take the examination he actually wants to 
reciprocate his license from Santa Rosa over here   now we all know that San Rosa does not have uh 
any kind of experience requirement they will allow   you to sit for the exam whereas the scambi county 
has extensive experience requirements so just to   refresh so this this is a state level here what 
you read on your screen and our local level is   four years and does not really we we can leverage 
to accept this if we choose to but our County   ordinance has four years experience correct so our 
County ordinance has that guidelines but then also   references back to 489 in general it's at this 
board's discretion we have a option of accepting it any discussion from the board and I'm going to take it to staff's 
recommendation is to let the board make   the decision based upon statute and what would be 
allowed it staff's recommendation to defer to the   board yes sir okay and I'm guessing the question 
here is looking at section three is whether or   not you meet that criteria statewise so just so 
that we're on the same page even though the state   requires a minimum requirement the county requires 
their minimum requirement and I think it's based   on this panel's decision to determine whether 
or not that you have had the experience based   on what you're providing to us mhm uh so uh just 
want to be clear so if the board decides not to   go in this direction there's nothing against you 
but it's determination that we don't feel that you   have the qualifications in order to meet one or 
two of the other or either okay yeah Mr chairman   I'm sorry I'm sorry go ahead or I didn't know if 
I didn't mean to interrupt you um I'm curious uh   licensed in Santa Rosa have you pulled any 
roofing permits in Santa Rosa um I've done   one and I've also reciprocated over to Walton 
County also and I'm done one phix Springs and   I do all my I've done I build new houses that's 
what I do and I do all my new roofs I do it all   so can you tell us a little bit about what you've 
done in construction and in Roofing so the panel   knows um so you know I we sit up I mean I pretty 
much if if we do any new roofs I sit up there and   make sure the guys are doing you the six inch the 
every 12 inches on the the underlayment you know   six inches on the or six to eight inches on the 
flashing you know 8 to 10 on the drip um you know   I make sure there's at least four Nails every 12 
Ines on the architectural shingles we do um you   know make sure there's the the underl proper under 
laming under the valleys and of flashing goes in   the proper places and stuff I mean I make sure 
my guys do a good job you know through through   the chair I think he's he pulls all of his roofing 
permits on new construction which is allowed for a   D1 contractor Mr Paul has his hand raised but 
before he Mr Paul before you let me just make   a clarification to the board Mr Tim can help me I 
think I'm correct with this as a uh are you state   residential license yes sir say it's a CRC he 
can only pull permits for asphalt roof not metal   that's right that's correct asphalt shingle so if 
he if he goes into this he will then be allowed   to do metal roofs so a roofing license opens the 
door for him to do all types of of installations   on not only on residential but also commercial 
projects right make sure everybody's aware that   what he has been doing is shingle roofs because 
that's what's allowed with his current license   and this opens up a whole another field Mr Paul 
and his current license is CRC yes sir okay so   he he would be able in in scambia County provide 
the same roofs right for his projects he couldn't   go roof your house but if he's building a home 
and Mr Tim correct me if he's building a home   he can asphalt roof single roof that particular 
home but you just can't go do somebody else you   can't advertis as a roofer and you can't 
put metal you can't put tile uh bitten all   that stuff you just you know you're limited right 
that's correct now after storms the governor has issued executive orders allowing deep1 contractors 
to do re-roofs but it still sticks with asphalt   shingles right um but again someone could come 
in with experience in Asphalt Shingle in other   words working for a a roofing company and 
that's all he's done and he would qualify for   to take the exam for a uh reefing contract I have 
I have a question because I'm not real clear so   you've only pulled one permit in San Rosa County 
uh for for Roose yes uh well for a r roof I've   done uh five new constructions uh last year in tan 
Rosa County um I've done three in the city okay the only other question is for me is on 
your Certificate of Insurance you need to   make sure or staff needs to make sure that 
particular company that you're with they if   you just got it for your GC that's all they're 
going to cover you for if you're doing Roofing   operations it's going to exclude it for that 
particular carrier very specifically yes ma'am   so you need to make sure that that that 
gets updated okay yes ma'am with them okay this is going to be at 
the discretion of the board then I'm very much aware of that Mr DS so chairman you have that determination 
we don't really have a specific rule um   regarding U it's not like Planning and Zoning 
where you have to speak and able to be at the   next the board meeting so um that's to your 
discretion and you can also time limit if you   want it it needs to be on subject matter though 
it needs to be subject matter and not and not   and not about fluoride so just so you know Mr 
DS I don't like doing this I'll be honest with   you I don't like doing this because if we open 
it up I we could be here for the rest of this   day uh I do respect you to the point that 
I'm goingon to let you come speak but I uh   I just want you to know you've set up here you 
know that's I want to speak we need to keep it   focused on what we're talking about and and to 
the point and um and we understand your you're   I mean you're your fight for Humanity that's 
your choice but not not during this so you can   speak for a second yes sir I understand can 
can you let Mr DS come up for a second time duration maybe like 30 seconds yeah yeah Larry DS 
Jr again yeah this is just strictly uh Tradesman   stuff here uh I I I would encourage y'all to 
go ahead and approve this motion to approve   and the reason is and I ain't saying he's got any 
experience at all to be able to do it but I mean   you know uh y'all have a y'all have an incentive 
I mean some of y'all do an incentive to uh to deny   applicants because you're in the business or 
you have friends in the business I your time   is up well I'm just I'm just it's not true it's 
not true it's not true this board is very fair   this board is very fair Mr DS and I'm going to 
interrupt real quick cuz I have a question Mr   if you could sit down please um I want to just 
kind of discuss this board has been very fair I   just want to say this this board's been very 
fair it's an agenda item and we have handled   issues that was against our industry as as 
Builders and different things we've handled   it with a proper handing well I I I didn't 
accuse or anybody else of anything um so   can but you insinuated that we would have 
a decision and I got another Builder right   here beside me there are and we do not do that 
there is an interest okay thank you for your   time and yours dismissed all right if we could 
discuss this to look at the best case worst case   scenario I know going with um your historical 
knowledge and building knowledge if you might   go over that a little bit I'm sorry could you 
best case worst case scenario of this situation here um the the biggest thing I the flag I 
see is that we're opening him to actually   in and do commercial roofing now on a uh modified 
bitum roof just whatever you want to call it Mr   bachelor's not here today um we're allowing him 
to go into a big open field that is Way Beyond   nailing on shingle roof I mean just just it is so 
I I'm just there's hesitation that comes from that   because when we say it's okay to do this we're let 
you go into the public now and that's what we're   here for is to protect the public okay so now 
we're letting you go into the public and we're   not sure of your experience with have you ever 
I'm just saying have you ever done a modified   bitum roof no sir but you so you understand Mr 
yeah I do but let me ask you this question right   so under those qualifications I should be able to 
go take the state test right and if I P pass the   state test then you're clean yeah mhm so what I 
mean what's the difference well the difference is   you got to go to the state and take a test you're 
asking for rep rep rep because that means that he   doesn't have to take any examination no yeah you 
have no examination so I just I'll use myself I   I I can't put up I know what a modified bit I've 
watched them I'm I'm not there's no way I'm going   to go out there and put one on myself you know 
I'd screw that joker up may all kind of problems   but I've I've done commercial building and and 
had God's do it for right but just because I've   done that doesn't mean I can go do it myself does 
that make sense like I just think that it would   be better to have the experience of the level 
that you're going to you see what I'm saying   versus just uh does that make sense I'd like to 
I'd like to make a comment also sure Mr Paul um   I'm I've been around a lot of roof projects 
and and I've also been I do a lot of forensic   work on buildings the single most critical 
um failure for that I find all throughout the   State of Florida are roofs and flashing okay and 
absolutely there there are plenty of contractors   out there that have licenses and have a lot of 
technical expertise oh I know and and you know   and still get it wrong okay so I have two um 
exceptions I you know for this application one   is the standard requirements most people who get 
their Roofing or any any contractor gets a license   has to go through a certain criteria and for 
me to um raise my hand and say yeah let's let's   let's give this a a an exception um you know 
it it pushes me especially seeing so many um   um leaking buildings and rotting buildings to the 
point failure and we just had a rotted building   in Miami collapse champagne Towers okay and so 
when you when you're Roofing a building flashing   keeping water out of a building is critical and 
so uh um roofs are problematic and then there's   standard requirements that we have established 
that a lot of people coming before us intend   to meet and and and are are required to meet so 
um I I just um those are my two red flags that I   want to um you know voice to the board and and 
I I would just like to remind you one more time   if if if the insurance that you've presented to 
us here is what you currently have for the other   County you currently are completely bare for 
when it comes to doing any roof work whatsoever   M currently with your even with your licensing 
over there so you need to get that addressed like   today okay um any other comments I think there's a 
feeling of maybe encouraging him to get his state   license and that way he won't have to worry about 
it versus us doing this without the experience nor   passing a test I'm hearing that I can take your 
test if you like uh I think if you just done the   state you wouldn't have to worry about any of us 
yeah I mean smartest thing you go to any county in   the state of Florida wouldn't have to worry about 
us yeah it's just your test probably be easier   it's actually this same test sir um and I would 
say that even if they you have to meet the same   requirements for reciprocity as for examination 
here in the county so that same requirement so is   it the same one as Santa Rosa no Santa Rosa has 
totally different requirements okay but so the   test is different it's actually the same test 
so you you just said it was a different test   from the state no the state examination and the 
state requirements are different than local but   the scammy county in s Rosa tester we go through 
the same testing provider yes sir okay so the same test so do I have a motion from the board on 
this we can accept or deny at this point is   that correct M Christie we have the option 
of accepting or denying the application   that is's discretion accept or deny and if 
there's not a motion period wouldn't adjust   automatically be denied okay so do I have 
a motion either way or we going to let it die I don't have a motion so we can't go forward 
uh I can only recommend just you can throw it away   you can throw it in trash it ain't going to 
matter but I would recommend to try to go to   the state license that way you you know you 
you don't have to about it or else come and   apply to us to take the test and not just uh 
reciprocity okay um okay all right thank you sir next item Timothy Sanders yes sir uh if I may 
board I did uh reach Mr Campbell on by telephone   he explained to me last night that the contract he 
wished to obtain has been extended uh so he will   be resending his application okay he did not come 
down thank you for that absolutely I would like to uh publicly just make a statement real quick this 
is just because I'm who I am I uh respected the   gentleman that was speaking while ago and gave 
him an opportunity to come to the board I even   said to him I respect you enough to let you 
here and the fact that we were insinuated to   not be fair I felt like was dis respectful and 
therefore that's the reason why I terminated   that conversation just for the record I'd like to 
have that on there that there's no Personal Agenda   it was just the fact that I respect you until 
you don't respect us just so um just so going   forward if you have any um other input that's 
coming from someone um that's what I mentioned   it has to be on topic um and in that situation 
you would want to know the the questions that   you may want to consider asking when you're 
handling um that situation is do you know the   person do you have any information about the 
person but as far as trying to influence the   board's decision making a motion from the floor 
or that type of thing that that would be something   you'd want to address um um to make sure that 
on topic would have been he knows him he knows   his quality of work those types of things you 
thank you m Christie we can't do this without you so board just to Circle back Mr Campbell 
um Nick did reach out to Mr Campbell and he's   actually withdrawing his application yeah he 
just mentioned send I'm sorry I was out of the   room no you're fine you're fine just make sure 
we've covered it thank you next uh yes sir our   next uh application will be an application 
for reinstatement of delinquent license for   Mr Timothy Sanders uh he was unable to be 
in attendance today but I will be making a   phone call if you will pardon me for just 
a moment I will get him on the phone sure sand hi Mr Sanders this is Nick Marino with 
the scambia county Building Services how are   you doing this morning sir not too bad brother 
Nick sir we are in the contractor competency   board um and we are on your agenda item for 
application of reinstatement for delinquent   license for the record would you please state 
your name and your address sir uh Timothy Sanders   address is 3765 Canton Street Coco 32926 thank 
you sir uh board members Mr Sanders is coming   before you to reinstate a delinquent license uh 
delinquent three years one month in 11 days uh   he has paid the $150 to appear before the board 
um and all his insurances business tax receipt   and paperwork is up to date and current um it 
would be a your discretion to reinstate this license Mr Sanders would you like to address the   board you have any comments uh no 
sir I just like to reinstate my license could you tell us what happened for 
it to be delinquent just as a little summary   I can barely hear him um we were no longer 
doing work in in esia county and then there   there was a job that did not get a permit 
and I need to pull a permit so the lady can   get insurance on our house um my manager said 
he pulled the permits um the job in question   did have an nooc filed but somewhere along 
the way the permit didn't get filed or got lost was that in Escambia 
County that was in escapia county and maybe I didn't hear you correctly 
Mr Sanders can you hear me breaking up yeah   so Mr Sanders so from what you just said 
during your time when you had an active   license you were under the assumption that a 
permit got obtained for a particular house uh   or a particular project but now you haven't 
been working in a scamby county and you were   informed confirmed that a permit had not been 
obtained and that homeowner insurance is an   issue now so you're wanting to get your license 
reinstated so that you can remedy the situation   yes ma'am that's exactly what's going on it's 
an elderly couple um like I said my manager   we filed an nooc um when they went to do the 
permitting they said it wasn't a permit pulled   on the residence um so I need to refile for the 
permit so she can get her insurance for her house and the board questioned why you didn't 
renew your es skimi County License um   previously we I I haven't worked in 
the scabia county um we haven't done   any more work up there since the 
storms actually um I think 2020 2021 board members his renewal 
date was November the 7th 2021 you questions from the board to Mr Sanders is he uh is he still a um 
licensed contractor Mr Sanders are   you still licensed in other jurisdictions yes ma'am I'll just make a comment so this homeowner 
is basically suffering with her insurance and   cannot get Insurance that's probably at a decent 
rate or if at all or get credit for a new roof   that she has and paid for because the permit 
was not pulled because the carriers are being   extremely uh very very sticky on getting that 
permit and they want to see it closed so if the   contractor hasn't pulled it or closed it the 
homeowner is the one that's paying the price   for it so if if we don't let him get his license 
back so that he can remedy the where at the end   we're we're hurting the consumer was his work done 
without a permit though sounds that way originally   he was under the assumption that a permit was 
obtained he recently found out that it was not there was there was an NOC filed on the on 
the residence um the manager I had running up   there um said he filed one but it seems like 
there wasn't because nobody has records of it then we don't we don't have proof of the nooc 
being filed I guess aware of I we would have   to research that for you miss Mary I mean we 
could um and typically how this comes to us   I I don't know if this was the instance 
here uh normally the homeowner contacts   our department finds out hey I need proof of 
permit for my insurance at that time we tell   them hey there is no permit you need to Circle 
back with your contractor and that's when the   contractor would you know obtain that permit 
or um in this instance he couldn't obtain the   permit because he had a delinquent license 
but he got the work done I'm not feeling   comfortable allowing him to get a license when 
he's already violated by doing the roof without   a permit how many permits did he pull while he 
did have a license I can pull that up for you I need you to hold so what you're seeing 
on your screen now is our uh our software um that houses our licensing 
cards as well as all permit information here's his licensed card 
Timothy R Sanders and you can see   that it is currently at an inactive status 
Associated permits he only pulled a couple here that's it I don't we don't have a record of how many jobs 
he done during that time but um only showing   one void for non-payment no one closed for no 
inspection Mr Sanders uh if you would sir what   is the homeowner's name for your your client um 
don't my truck um hold on one second my phone Johnny e portess I'm sorry what you say 
that one more time for us please sir uh   portess let's see it's uh Johnny e 
portess p o r t i s thank you sir p uh it would be portress p o r t y um let's see address 1236 oh 
1235 ru Street Ru l e thank you sir Mr Paul has a couple questions is his is the work complete first 
of all who did the work when was it completed   and can we get a copy of his license current 
license so Mr Sanders uh when was this job   completed uh is the work complete who performed 
form the scope of work uh and may we obtain a   copy of your current license sir um yes the 
job was completed uh first probably I think   January 8th is what the completion date was 
on it yes sir um the nooc like I said it's   filed with your Clerk of the Court I said we 
wouldn't trying to do a job without a permit   or I wouldn't have filed nooc I mean that's 
just we we got it on record that we tried to   do the job um it is completed she's happy 
with the job except it's an elderly couple   and they're trying to get insurance for their 
house yes sir and and just to answer Mr Paul's   question uh you performed that scope of 
work yourself with with your license with   my license yes I did yes sir so Mr Paul if you 
look on your screen that's his current State registration I have another question yes maam 
how many how many jobs did he actually perform   in this County not just a pulled permit sir how 
many jobs were performed within the county uh   not just for the the permits pulled I'm not 
sure i' with the manager running my job there   at time um not a lot if you go to bouard County 
you'll pull up thousands um that's where my main   office is at but up there I'm not sure how 
many we did so just to draw your attention   to the backup documentation within the license 
card um he reciprocated here back in 2020 that   was after Hurricane Sally a lot of contractors 
did reciprocate their license up here um in the   permits there were only a few permits pulled 
here um he did keep they did keep sending us   um insurances things like that so we do have 
those on file and then the last items you   will see was where he you know is asking for 
reinstatement that's that backup documentation do I have a motion to do something with this puts us in a little awkward position 
I have I actually have a question for Mr   Sanders sure um so Mr Sanders really the the 
reasoning for this reinstatement is to is to   get this remedy after that's reinstated do you 
intend to take your license inactive or you   going to keep it at an active status uh probably 
go inactive inia County thank you so basically   what we're doing is a homeowner a favor like 
Miss Mary said earlier so do have a motion to   now would we put an asterisk on it for it to be 
then yeah enacted by I don't think we can do that   I think we so you could um limit permitting 
after this event that's okay just like we do   with other licenses yeah so we could say uh along 
with the motion that no additional permits can be pulled that would be a disciplinary action but you 
would just basically say this for the purposes of   pulling this permit um any further permits you 
just need to come back and and have before the   board okay yeah so I will entertain a motion based 
on his statements to you today this is what he's   asking for is for a one-time shot at at fixing 
this problem and so you can limit it to what he's   actually asking for because he's not asking for 
a permit to come back and build a lot he's or fix   thing he wants to fix this one problem that and 
you could do a limitation based on his request M   Mary and I have a question for Mr tolber um 
when he pulls this permit in order to get a   final called in he has to submit the pictures I'm 
assuming because it's a self-inspection he has   to submit definitely an affid David certifying 
that missed in progress inspection he's taking   responsibility for anything that uh we were not 
able to inspect so yes an affidavit is required um   it would be at the buildings official's discretion 
on whether he wanted pictures submitted for this project is is this a uh this R uh typically we 
don't require it but it would be nice to have them I know that um M Jordan your concern 
has been the citizen and I completely agree   with you that should always be our main 
focus will the photographs help them at   all with their insurance issue it no not so 
much it just I don't know maybe puts my my   my my mind ities that they actually did the 
job because they have to take the pictures   in stages so the the pictures that they 
take would at least show them that it was done Mr Sanders do you have any uh photograph 
or photographs and documentation for this job   no but if I need to have them I will send the 
manager up there to take them yes sir can't do   it this would be after but not in progress yeah 
she's talking about in progress pictures yeah   it's too late for that so do I have a motion for 
anything I make a motion to reinstate the license   and then if he wants to per his request and if any 
future permits are wanted him to come before the board before you go forward just a so 
our Deputy building official actually   um was whenever the license card was up he 
brought attention to the fact that there is   a another U permit on Corey deal that had no 
inspection now this one was never paid for   um that's it's a I don't know if the project 
was done or not right um but Mr Blue Deputy   building official wanted to bring attention to the 
board about these two permits that may need some attention so if we did reinstate um if we did reinstate his license he would 
need to take care of these as well it'd be   appropriate time for him to take care of these as 
well why don't we ask him Miss Christie is there   anything if that's what his request is to rate 
it so he can straighten things out um you know   you can certainly comply with his request Mr 
Sanders were you aware that there's a couple   of permits that are still hanging loose on your 
name no I am not but now that I am it will be addressed so if we allow him to have his license 
back he can address these at the same time then   okay so let's make sure and I know we were in 
the middle of a motion when we interrupted that   and I apologize so make sure that what Mr 
Sanders is asking for is that he have the   ability to have his to be licensed in the area 
for the purposes res of resolving these open   and problem uh three properties there's three 
properties involved and he's going to be in   touch with you afterwards is that what he's 
asking for so Mr Sanders uh for these three   properties you would get these all they license 
reinstated in order to correct and remedy these   um and you'll be in contact with me afterward 
I'm G have the management come up there and take   care of anything I have loose in your county um 
yes I will be addressing all the issues yes sir so to have a motion for reinstating his 
license for the purpose of cleaning up these jobs that's what it's you need to modify or 
actually re re can you restate because it was   it was interrupted can you restate the motion 
so we'll have for the record sorry about that   uh motion per the request to reinstate the 
delinquent license to bring attention to   the three open properties that need to be 
remedied do I have a second second I have a   second all in favor raise your right hand 
I'll oppose same sign see none hear none   motion is approved for reinstatement 
for the purpose of taking care these   thank you Mr Sanders and we anticipate 
your honor your word and take care of these so Mr Sanders uh your license has been 
reinstated sir uh and when this meeting is   over I will I will contact you um to follow up on 
that sir I sure appreciate ni yes sir thank you Mr Sanders okay next board members the next applicant is 
an application for statement of delinquent   license uh Mr Michael Carroll upon 
calling yesterday um his secretary   informed me she was unsure of his attendance 
um Mr Carol are you president at the meeting today board it would appear that Mr 
Carol has not been able to attend today it's at the board's discretion yeah if look 
I feel it's important for them to be here yes sir   if they're asking for a license so absolutely 
uh if the board's okay with it can we just set   aside anybody that doesn't show up and the staff 
advis them that they have to be present for us to   consider it is that on a reinstatement sorry yes 
on me and statements you probably need to handle   that on a Case by case basis because we never 
know if someone's not showing up because of a good   reason you know the weather the the highway the 
interstate you know so on Case by case do we know   the reason for um he was actually scheduled to 
be here in January as an add-on we went above and   beyond for Mr Carol to ensure that that took place 
initially I had let him know that it would be   today's date um at the last minute he did cancel 
stating a family emergency um yesterday I was   only able to make contact with his secretary who's 
said he may or may not be in attendance I was not   able to reach him uh directly uh but this would 
be technically the second time now uh that he's   not been at attendance do I have a motion to table 
the application till further notice yeah I'll make   a motion to table the application until further 
notice a second all in favor raise your right hand   all oppose same sign see none hear none motion is 
approved to table to a future time now we finally   get to number five good so finally board members 
this is uh Mr Robert Bose he is coming before you   requesting permission to qualify an additional 
entity uh Mr Bose if you would please come to   the podium state your name and address for 
the record sir absolutely Robert Bose 135 ter   Drive Pensacola Florida 32503 good to see you 
Mr good to see you too uh board members uh Mr   Mason has passed out the application to you 
uh as it was approved as an add-on you will   find his application to qualify the additional 
entity uh with the corresponding documents of his   business tax receipt um articles of organization 
from the Division of Corporations as well as the   insurance policy uh for storm for storm Force 
shutter Solutions LC which is the bus business   that they will be qualifying so while everybody 
is looking over uh the information provided I   just want to ask you a couple questions real 
quick uh or should anything you want to tell   us first before um we opened Precision 
Door Service 10 and a half years ago here   in Escambia County um we've since expanded from 
Tallahassee to Lafayette we have 130 employees   um we initially started doing shutters inside of 
the Precision Door franchise um and as we were   required by neighborly which is a just owned 
Precision Door now we decided to separate it   from the the garage door side so that's why 
we're asking for the the license on that so   you've been in business for 10 and a half years 
successfully in our area and you're just expanding   is what you're doing for another yes uh company 
and qualifying for that under your license yes sir do you have any questions this might be the first straightforward one we 
have today I'm making a motion to approve the   applicant do I have a second second all in favor 
raise your right hand I'll oppose same sign thank   you m Bo congratulations thank you thank you have 
a good thanks for your time and board members that   will conclude our applications for this portion 
of this meeting good deal thank you guys sir usually contractor applications is 
not contentious like we need a break   after this good Lord okay thank you uh uh Miss 
security for for being here today thank you for that so we're going to move into item 81 uh it's 
mining TR doing business as M&H Construction   Services LLC state registered license number 
RG 2911 03748 contractor competency board num   complaint number 220686 coom it's in regard to 
LY Yang Lee doing business as let's meet Korean   barbeq LLC this complainant uh is in regard to 
6235 North Davis Highway Pensacola Florida 32504   so as you can recall this this initial complaint 
you can tell by the complaint number came to us   back in 2022 um it did proceed to disciplinary 
and a final order was rendered by the board uh   that final order uh kind of was put on in a way 
hold because uh the parties had entered into   a confidential settlement agreement um and this 
board was just waiting to see how that panned out   um we did have a um meeting scheduled a few months 
ago for failure uh to comply with that final order   because uh the complainant advised that that 
confidential settlment order had not been adhered   to and so this board at that time determined 
to bring this case back for further review   and possible further disciplinary action um this 
has been continued a couple of times um there it   was requested a continuance in December and then 
also in January parties were out of the country   just couldn't couldn't make it so now we're here 
today I believe Mr hatler has a request to make   of the board uh he did talk to me yesterday and I 
told him he needed to address that with the board   so if you want to hear that first before we go 
any further it's up to you and this is uh the   council for the complainant right that is correct 
this is Council for Mr Tran oh for Mr Tran yes   the LI not the complain and and Mr Lee is present 
today he the complainant is present I I thought   yeah making sure here right good morning Mr chair 
uh members of the board Ryan hatler 2908 East   aotto Street on behalf of the lensey Mr TR and M&H 
Construction Services um does the board have the   email that I provided I actually have it right 
here if the board would like to have that email   thank you yes it's a short email uh and while 
it's being handed out I can can give you the you   know the nutshell uh of of what the contents 
are we had been uh working on a settlement   proposal that would hopefully amicably resolve 
everything and I spoke with uh the complainants   council yesterday and uh discussed the terms of 
those of that Proposal with him and as you can   see from the email um I left that conversation 
under the impression that Mr Lee was in China   and would obviously not be able to make it to 
this meeting today and so I came prepared to   request a rescheduling to the March meeting 
so I am not I'm here solely for that limited   purpose today it was a surprise to me when Mr Lee 
walked through the door he's he is obviously here   today um uh you know so I guess I would make this 
request for rescheduling uh uh Base number one on   my understanding that uh the complainant would 
not be physically present today and and uh did   not prepare to put on a full defense of the case 
if that's my client would like me to do and second   of all to give uh time for consideration of an 
amicable resolution uh if in the in the next 30   days we'll know whether or not these parties are 
going to agree to to um you know a proposal or not   and if not this can always come back next month 
for the disciplinary hearing to go forward and uh   if there is an agreement reached then obviously 
U that would you know the terms of the agreement   although confidential would resolve everything 
between the parties just for clarification you're   representing Mr TR correct yes sir so is he the 
one that's in China no sir no it was it was uh I   spoke with Mr Lee's attorney yesterday EMA the 
email says my client is in China that's that's   Mr Dan Green Council for Mr Lee and so I I spoke 
with Mr Lee's attorney yesterday regarding the   settlement proposal because oh I'm sorry this is 
from Dan Green I not from you I'm sorry it's okay   you just took me a second to find it got you so so 
Mr Green yesterday said okay you know uh this is   interesting and and I definitely discuss it with 
my client but he's in China it's a 12-hour time   difference there's no way I can get to you and I 
said okay and I did reach out to miss Hampton and   say Mr it's my understanding based on a discussion 
with Mr Lee's attorney that he's in China he won't   be there can we push this and she said I needed to 
show up to make this request in person and here I   am that's what you're doing yes sir and to your 
surprise yes yes it was a big surprise yes sir   okay so okay basically what you're telling us is 
that there is a an agreement that's being hashed   out still at this moment that I've I've discussed 
with uh Mr Lee's attorney yes Mr Green gotcha okay   all right thank you for thank you for telling us 
this Mr Lee would you like to approach us today my name is lyang Le my address will be 1029 black1 
Trail pensol 40. 32514 yeah for first uh for my   part I want to thank you for the board I believe 
here is the only one I can find the right and the   true and the place for me it's really fire for me 
and the second I want to talk about this case is   uh you can see it's going to the couple years 
when the first time we meet him gave him money   is from the 2018 yeah it's a long really long 
it's couple years even go back to the the case   it's 2020 2020 since since 2020 is five years 
already I'm already done for this one and U and   on the courthouse then make the final judge on the 
two or three months ago I believe where the thing   of the email right mhm he got time to response 
but he never until now officially no reason I I   didn't hear anything from my attor old lawyer 
he say he just contracted my lawyer yesterday   because uh because I think he scared the the here 
he scared to lose his license that's why he just   want to more time you know until today the morning 
uh his lawyer say uh uh say if you don't agree the   settlement you can get money I said I'm already 
lose everything I lose my restaurant I lose my   wife I lose my case I'm nothing to lose it's for 
real you can you can follow the public record you   can see what's going on right there and I do my 
uh I give my half my house everything go to my   actual wife and uh I use IBA the money to pay 
the my train to fix my restaurant but he never   done the job that's what happened and I gave him 
the couple times chance we go to the the the the   the we go to the the the the the the courthouse 
we make the settlement agreement he never finish   he never pay him all he just paid no enough I give 
with and even even the the courthouse gave him the   final judge is two months ago he did he did say 
anything until today so I want to hear the maybe   you have some suest what should I do or maybe 
just stop him stop his lessons you know never   I'm done for this game it's too it's not like 
it's it's over like $100,000 and it's over like   a seven year no seven months seven week it's a 
seven year it's almost like a my half love right   here yeah so so there was a judgment that sorry 
there was a judgment that was um in the court system that was October 8th 2024 correct yes 
right right and the amount of 121,000 yeah   121,000 that was the balance due yes yeah 
the totally should be around 1440 because   he paid some we just redu something and I can't 
tell you the detail for the S agreement but he   still owned the over $100,000 didn't pay me has 
you made any payment since October 8th no yet   no so it's still 121,000 that's what I was 
trying to and also the last time that's right   we're there the last time we come here he gave 
me the reason say he he say he he lawyer told my   lawyer say he want to sell a house he need more 
money more time and until last time he come to   here he say because my case stop his license he 
can't do more job but you can find out it's not   my case the other case so Mr Lee can I ask you a 
question are you uh aware that your attorney is   uh negotiating something different with them now 
are you no uh until the until the final until the   final um my attorney didn't tell me anything from 
them until today morning I made him on the door   he say if you don't agree push more time you 
can't get my money I said I don't care so so   there's there's a new agreement that not yet that 
is being worked on from what we're hearing from   Council from Mr TR are you aware of that that's 
what I'm asking you um yeah yeah I yes s sorry I   can repeat the question sorry I'm really so if 
I understood Council correctly from Mr TR the   contractor there is an agreement being worked 
on now no settlement agreement between Mr TR   and yourself through the attorneys no you're not 
aware of this no no no right now it's already pass   the DU already the last last one yes so you're 
saying 121 period I have not received anything in   end of story yes from the from the final final for 
the final judgment gotcha okay yes and also he and   after the final judge he didn't response at all 
my attorney and my lawyer called him he he didn't   yeah until today okay any other questions for Mr 
Lee I have a question for Mr hatler when we get   back have you talked to your attorney I talked to 
my attorney my attorney say because then didn't   response maybe we need to fund the company to do 
some research say how much money he have how much   money under his company we can do some we can let 
the courthouse to get his money we're doing this   one right now yeah and until today he St me right 
there he say he need more time who who's that now   he's attorney oh his attorney okay so you haven't 
spoke to your attorney about it I got you yeah and   his attorney stalk me today in the morning before 
the meeting say he say he need more time to keep   his lessons we can make some like a s of agreement 
I say I'm done this trip well I would imagine   you're aware that in the United States when this 
uh judgment has been given and it's not fulfilled   that it can go back to court and you know further 
steps can be made to either remedy it get the   money there's all kind of things I'm not going 
to try to so my opinion is he don't care he don't   care about like the courthouse or J or something 
he care about each license and that's bad if he   doesn't care but from your perspective as trying 
to get your judgment finish your attorney knows   the steps to finish that out yes right now 
we right now we just like do some research or   find out how much money he have but uh right and 
that's all in the Civil we're in a different level   the level of trying to figure out for Lings that's 
why I'm trying to separate a little bit yes of   and for my part he don't he don't scared the the 
courthouse he's scared about you guys he want to   keep a license that's why before the meeting 
one day he say he can't try my lawyer what's   happened for the last four months right right 
no I respect that I understand that yeah M Miss   Jennifer just remind me so Mr TR still has his 
license um so his license is currently suspend   suspended okay it was suspended for a different 
case um actually on on the screen you'll see his   licensed card the the gray one um has to do with 
this case but then the other one the red one um is   is where his license was suspended um that case he 
he currently is at a suspended status so he cannot   pull permit he cannot he hasn't been able to pull 
permits since April of last year right right and   expires in two Mons corre correct that's what 
Christie was just saying that will be over in   April of this year actually it'll be restored 
April 9th of of this year um what the board is   going to determine today is if you want to take 
further disciplinary action on his license for   a failure to comply with your final order and 
this specifically pertains to the restitution right and I was just correct me Mr Christie 
but the legal aspect of him obtain the money   is going to be through the civil court with that 
judgment we're separate we're not attached to   that judgment correct you're not controlled by 
the Judgment right that's right that's right yeah so then so from what I understand from the 
from Mr hatler is there asking for a continuance   from what I understand from um Mr Lee what is 
your position on a continuance right now I want   to you like a say stop his license until he's pay 
me money he's already stopped yeah well he's not   stopped in this case no I'm talking for his AB 
suspended license which will become active in   April but on this case you haven't reached 
the decision on discipline right corre yeah   he's asking he's asking for to take his license 
on this license is that correct yes okay yeah   because he don't care you know gotcha so because 
my life already growing up so I lose everything   so nothing to lose so I'm okay thank you thank 
you sir thank you man appreciate safe travels all   right I'm right I'm back you're here I do have 
a question Mr hatler though you had make sure   I heard this correctly you and Mr Green have been 
in contact with each other about another agreement   settlement I don't know the right words that we're 
discussing a settlement proposal from my client uh   that I presented to Mr Green yesterday I don't 
believe believe based on my brief conversation   with Mr Lee this morning I don't believe Mr 
Green has yet had an opportunity to discuss that   directly with Mr Lee gotcha gotta and so I think 
if we could you know give a little more time maybe   we could find an amicable resolution to this whole 
situation and if not again we could always come   back next month and and do the you know the the 
disciplinary hearing but I think also we do need   to listen to Mr Lee and what he has stated this 
morning that he in no way shape or form is open to   another settlement so just to give power to his 
words and Mr hatler is aware that he there's other   cases that we don't we not we do not judge this 
case by any other cases but there is another case   where his license is already suspended yes sir I'm 
I'm aware I knew you in connection with that case   I will say that I was the attorney representing 
uh M&H Construction in the civil lawsuit and so   I was involved in that confidential settlement um 
you know that that came out of that court case and   I can say because I I have personal knowledge 
of of those settlement payments that they were   made up until last April when his licensing was 
suspended suspended and so to the extent that if   I'm understanding Mr Lee's Interest being he wants 
to get paid his money back further suspending or   revoking Mr tr's license would be counter to 
that goal and we we understand that principle   but I can tell you probably I don't know maybe 
not half of us but there was a group of us here   when we had that asked of us and we ex and it 
was extended and the person continued to uh   do fraudulent behavior and uh there's a big 
balance where we have to protect the public   and not let uh someone keep going Ponzi 
scheming Rob and Peter pay Paul you get   more works you take the money from that job to 
pay this past job which created a big nest so   we we have to see a big picture not just making 
one person whole we have to see a big picture of   how many people will that cost to make one 
man whole does that make sense it does and   I completely understand the board's mission 
in that regard yes got all right I appreciate   you making that clear forcement okay thank 
you any else anybody else have any questions uh I guess for the record I should ask uh if 
if there's going to be a vote on discipline   today then I would need to come back up here as a 
representative of Mr Tran and do my best although   I did not prepare a defense to at least make some 
comments for the record for that purpose and if   you'd prefer that I do that now then maybe it 
makes sense to do that now let's let's make him   discussion first and see where we're headed at 
do have any comments from the board about your   thoughts on this everybody pretty clear with 
what's going on do we need to talk about the   basics of it anymore I think we've heard this one 
enough we know what it is do I have any Fel from   the board would it be an option to suspend the 
license for um you know until this gets resolved   so suspension has guidelines um you would have to 
set the parameters I think suspension is for 1 to   three years um it can't be less than a year so 
it's at the discretion of the board suspension   has guidelines and revocation has guidelines of 
how long of a period of time it can go for and   also if you suspend it this time that will be your 
discipline so if he fails to make those payments   or or fulfill the Judgment that that he already 
had the opportunity to fulfill if he fails to   fulfill that then you have no no further action 
you would you could not come back on his license   with a suspension and say okay we're going to 
punish you some more so today you're making if   you make the decision for for how you're going 
to punish and it is a punishment you know it is   an action against his license so if you make that 
decision today that is the decision that you have   to remain with so whether um my TR pays that 
money you're not going to get another bite at   that Apple after the decision after the whether 
you make that decision today or in the future you   don't get a second can bite once the discipline 
is entered so if we if we did do a continuance   for a month and there was a resolution made and 
he didn't follow through we could you know go   at a discipline based on that if not if we do a 
discipline a day whatever happens next 30 days   doesn't really matter keeping in mind they're 
not going to provide you the conditions of what   that is happening in that agreement right so I 
I caution you to from basing your decision on   something that you don't even get get to see right 
I got I'll follow you um that's to and you know we   have to be very careful about public record here 
right and so if it's something that you're basing   your decision on then the public has a right to 
see it right a little bit of a tough situation so   I'm I'm I do want to draw the board's attention 
to within his suspension from the other case he   did have the ability to finish out any open 
projects uh while discussion was going on I   did review his Associated permits to his license 
he does have some open projects still um not all   projects under his license are at a closed status 
so just another information to to finish up that   that's okay Mr Paul do we have the option of uh 
staying this till for 30 days and if a resolution   that's acceptable to Mr Lee has not been made 
then suspend his license so what's before the   board so that would be a motion for the board to 
determine whether or not they want to continue   with these proceedings so that would be a motion 
and decision it is an option and you could do it   at a future date at that time the decision would 
be whether or not to suspend or to terminate his   license those are the two options or take no 
action against his license I mean those are   all options before the board so first you got to 
determine if you want want to make the decision   today if you decide you want to make the decision 
today then I think Mr hatler wanted to be heard on   that question so and then beyond that then you 
would go to the motion decision about whether   or not you want to how you want to handle first 
option is for continuent second option will be   for discipline can I ask Mr hler a question again 
sure yes ma'am is there some reason that you have   not there has not been any payments made to Mr Lee 
whatsoever I mean you guys have had plenty of time   um well I can't speak uh directly uh for my client 
on the on the payment uh non-payment issue but I   I can tell you again the as being the attorney 
involved previously when Mr TR uh did have his   um permitting privileges payments were regularly 
being made under that confidential settlement the   payments stopped when his uh permitting privileges 
were suspended last April to Mr Lee payments were   made to Mr Lee Yes regular under $199,000 worth of 
payments as I recall the number one payment one p   was made and just that's incorrect according 
to the record it was one payment and just to   comound on her question there um Jennifer did 
you not state that there are open permits for   him to complete to continue to make means and 
payments to Mr Lee on your screen you will see   his permitting history speculating that he 
would make those payments to Mr Lee there   are several on the screen I'm scrolling through 
that's still say permit issued um so he did have   the ability to make money and have those permits 
open correct okay and uh Mr list um again I was   involved with some of those payments and so I 
know personally it was not just a onetime mon P   of $199,000 she's busy what the second Mr Jennifer 
could you please go to uh the packet and pull up   the Judgment in civil case submitted by 
complainant this one yes ma'am and scroll down   and the date is the was filed up there 108 excuse 
me 108 2024 you see that Mr red you see that at   the top you asking me yes sir I'm familiar with 
this to okay if you scroll down just a little bit   more it says on number two there that was 140,000 
minus payments of 19,000 for a balance of 121   correct that's reflecting one payment from what 
I can see as of 10 as of October it says payments sir I'm not being disrespectful no I'm saying it's 
been a total of 19,000 in payments yes multiple   payments of less than 19,000 were made for a so 
still 121 owed as of now yes sir and and my point   was he had made payments regularly as required by 
the confidential settlement agreement up until his   permitting privileges were were suspended in ail 
I'm understanding I thought you said payments of   19,000 that's what only totaling 19,000 got okay 
just for the record Jennifer was his permitting   revoked on October 8th of 2024 or anytime around 
there no ma'am there they actually his perming   privileges his license was suspended in April of 
2024 okay so then he was able to make $199,000 in   payments from April to October speculating that 
it was during during that period of time um so   just wanting that for the record I don't think 
that I don't think that's what the attorney is   telling you I think he's telling you that up until 
April the 19,000 April of 202 uh 4 right that's   when he suspended he's saying that up until 
April of 2024 he had made $199,000 in payment   when his license suspended then he quit he did 
not make any further payments but he still had   permits open that he was able to work to make 
payments that is what the record that Jennifer   showed you reflects yes' and and on that point 
I believe um that at the time of the suspension   there were some comments made to Mr TR along the 
lines of um look clean up the projects you have   going right now finish them up satisfactorily 
and then you can always come back to the board   and ask for reinstatement at that point I believe 
he did that uh during late summer if I'm not not   mistaken I I don't recall being present for for 
that hearing um I don't recall him coming back   and asking for R statement of his license but if 
he's had these open jobs since a April of 24 here   we are February 25 and he has made no attempt 
in making any payments what's going to change   between now and holding up for a month I mean he 
still got these jobs that are pending he could   fit finished them off or Advanced them and made 
good faith on his payment and continue making the   payments but I don't see what's going to change 
between now and pushing it off for a month I I   mean is he going has he got money that nobody's 
aware of but well maybe you know this U uh two   things and and you can correct me if I'm wrong 
Miss Hampton but as I recall uh from watching   the meeting uh where the license was suspended I 
believe there were two or three specific projects   that were referenced in that meeting where the 
board said finish those up satisfactorily then   you can come back and ask for you know for a 
reinstatement and my understanding is uh those   were satisfactorily completed and closed out and 
so I'm not today is the first time I'm hearing   about other open permits I do know that there 
are some projects that Mr TR is involved with   uh that are not on behalf of customers but are 
in uh uh in uh cooperation with uh partners and   so that may be what that is maybe those were in 
prog and I'm speculating but that would explain   it maybe those are in progress projects that 
he's waiting to resume once his uh permitting   privileges are reinstated and to your point Mr 
Patel I I can't go into detail on because the the   the settlement proposal I discussed with Mr Lee's 
attorney yesterday is also confidential uh I can   I can say generally speaking without disclosing 
too much detail I think though uh the the main   difference and the critically important difference 
is uh the The Proposal under discussion involves um uh secured interest in a couple of 
projects that would resume when Mr trans   permitting privileges are reinstated similar to 
basically like a mortgage and so it it doesn't   depend on other customers or anything like that 
it would be again one of these projects uh that   Mr TR is involved in uh in conjunction with 
uh a partner so it's conditioned again based   on what you're saying so it's going to 
be conditioned whether or not this board   allows him to do business in scambia County 
oh absolutely yes Mr Lee's being repaid is   obviously connected to Mr TR being able to 
continue doing work and making money yes sir right we can look at the transcript I believe it 
was April of last year um the transcript um U can   be pulled up and we can look specifically Jennifer 
can pull that up and you can specifically look at   what you're what you're while you're looking that 
up you just uh I personally don't like to be put   in the position where you know a contractor 
or subcontractors ad many violation and not   did according to you know what needs to be done 
and they come back and say well I'll do right but   you're going to have to keep continuing to employ 
me that's that's that's not a good position to   put us in uh he made the mistake uh you know he 
did whatever he did to Pi take Peter to pay Paul   whatever H he didn't do the job right he needs to 
stand up and he needs to be mad about and say you   know what I'll handle these but uh not bring it to 
this board to say well whether or not we continue   to have him do business in the scambia county if 
that was the case everybody ly up out the door   and say well I made a mistake and you know I need 
you to continue keeping me employed in order for   me to do good and and I can respect that I I guess 
I need to go on record to the extent that I can uh   and and you know raise some comments or objections 
you know uh to the extent I can in defense of Mr   TR for you know uh purposes of this disciplinary 
hearing uh the first objection I would raise would   be with respect to jurisdiction I'm not sure 
that this board has continuing jurisdiction   because the original order that the board uh the 
final order that the board entered is more than a   year old and I believe jurisdiction by this board 
was lost after the one-year period last year and   so that would be my first objection for the record 
well we have Council here they can determine that   we're not attorneys sitting on this pan so of 
course these are just for the record Mr Patel   not not directed at you yeah we'll certainly let 
Council address that the other objection I would   make is um again based on the email provided to 
you this morning uh we were under the impression   that Mr Lee was in China would not be here 
and so presumably the disciplinary hearing   would not be going forward if the complainant 
is not here and so I think that a continuance   is warranted on that ground uh the final comment 
I'll make is um um and granted with the caveat   I don't represent all of my clients on all of 
their matters and so I can tell you of the two   or maybe three disciplinary issues that have come 
before this board you know involving Mr Tran um   for instance the Brewer complaint where um where 
the suspension was entered last year I believe Mr   TR has complied with all of the dis disciplinary 
actions um you know put against him in that case   I believe there was one prior case a few years ago 
that I'm aware of and again I believe that Mr TR   did everything that was required in that case with 
respect to this case the one that's lingering and   the one that I believe may have a jurisdiction uh 
issue um I believe if you look at the origin of   the case if again I I don't recall being uh the 
representative at that disciplinary hearing um   but I believe that discipline against Mr TR was 
entered without him even being present and so I   don't believe any defense was put on for Mr Tran 
by him or me or anyone else at that disciplinary   hearing so the whole origin of this case is based 
on basically a ruling In Absentia where no defense   at all was was put on so but Mr hler Excuse me 
interruped y'all had the opportunity to be here   and you were notified of the meeting so while you 
were not here that's not on us no I'm not I'm not   saying that uh the board did anything wrong I'm 
I'm you know again just trying to you know note   for the record the context of everything I'm not 
aware of any other case that I know of involving   Mr tr's lure where he did not fully comply with 
what the board you know uh required him to do is   Mr TR is he working in other counties currently 
I I don't know the answer to that does he have   any other entities that he works under holds I 
don't know any I don't know of any other than M&H   construction does the admin know well what's his 
license is under his personal name so if he had a   separate company it would still I'm just curious 
still fight so although he is has a suspended   license in a scambi county that doesn't preempt 
him from wherever he's reciprocated his license   doing business there even the city limits they do 
not have to hold this board's determinations they   get to pick and choose whether they uh like like 
within our County ordinance if if a contractor is   found in violation in another jurisdiction our 
board can uphold that here um after notice and   hearing so I have not received any confirmation 
from any other jurisdiction that they have also uh   not allowed him to work in any other jurisdiction 
normally we would receive that um especially from   Santa Rosa they uh let us know immediately 
if they've taken further action got you Mr   PA is there a way and and and we might have just 
disc um answered that to find out if there's any   other licenses that he qualifies in this in the 
scambia county there is actually you can find   out if there's any other licenses he has in the 
State uh you can easily search on the state um and I'll bring that up on my screen for 
you you just simply verify a license last name give it a moment to search um 
so here is uh there's quite a few   my trans let's let's go back and put 
in a middle initial maybe that will help so you'll see here where 
he's a registered general contractor he does have another registered 
license that's delinquent so it looks like he   does have two licenses one one on Fairfield 
and one on 9 Mile and one of them's current   inactive does that mean he's able to pull 
permits so this is State registrations um the license number that we 
have here is the RG 2911 03748 so that's this one that his registration is 
current with the state meaning he's paid his   fees and all just permit privileges I don't 
have this license number so I'm want I don't   I would have to do some research into that okay 
and find out how that where he got that one from   because usually you register from the state 
from a local jurisdiction supporting them to   exam they get issued a license and then they 
register that with the state so I would need   to I would need to do further research on that 
one so he would be able to if he has a a state   license he'd be able to work in Santa Rosa County 
and you know any other County beside the scami is   that right he doesn't have a state license he 
has a locally a local issued license and it's   registered with the state he can reciprocate 
that license so here is actually that other   license won Construction LLC and 
it's also inactive um that's F sorry that looks like that one he just 
has not not renewed it since 2022 um see   how is there any discipline act action 
against that license uh no you can see   there's very minimal information 
in here uh from 2022 he did a um he qualified an additional entity back then 
but there's not been any further action with it really so he took his initial license 
and qualified the additional entity of   won construction and there's minimal permitting in there yes and just to keep the record clear the 
items that she's pulling up on your screen these   are public records so it would be something 
that would a be available for anybody to review but as as I said earlier um just 
because this board has taken action against   any license that he hold it doesn't preempt 
him from working in any other jurisdiction   understood and just um since we're making 
clarifications and speaking on the record   um just to make a note that there was 
already a notice of the continued dis   plenary hearing and that was on 
January 9th of 2025 and this has been ongoing correct question mark so you're talking 
about that notice have continued yes yes so so   actually this came before this board during a 
public forum quite some time ago and then we   had to review of how this would be presented 
to the board and it actually um at that time   it was determined that the final order had 
not been fulfilled um it got continued and   and pushed down the line because there 
was a confidential settlement agreement   um and then we received notice that that 
wasn't abided by and that's when it was   determined that this board would bring it 
back for non-compliance with that final order and then there were some continuances so we're back to she has been able 
to pull the transcript um from the   April meeting um and she can pull that 
page for you so that we can be clear   on what the language was instead of 
relying on our memories you said 246 yeah so so here um at the bottom of page 246 Mr 
liser um you you made the comment right finish   all these jobs that's open that you keep pulling 
money from here and Rob you know rob Peter to pay   Paul we call it in other words all this you keep 
doing you've got to stop it you've got to get it   together get them taken care of and then you just 
keep right on going you can be in business 20   years from now 50 years from now we don't care but 
we don't want you to keep taking advantage of our   citizens um Mr TR okay so let me understand and 
clear all the permits I have open close it finish   it and then Mr lisst and then you're good to go 
uh Mr TR then I can pull new permits question mark   um Mr lisst you can go pull brand new permits and 
then I made the correction about the suspension uh   he has a suspension of Permitting privileges for 
one year Mr lisst well I would say if you get all   that taken care of and come back and see us we'll 
talk to you so for the record it wasn't a specific   three or four jobs he said all-encompassing all 
jobs that's right and he said the next statement   let me finish and not come back and then you you 
confirm we'll talk to you about it right right right he continues on to say that 
he had two jobs already signed up   that he was about to put in permits 
for um and you let him know that   he needs to hurry up and get these 
is all taken care of and come back is there something earlier I mean I my memory 
is not perfect and certainly I don't seem to   be getting better by the year with my memory 
but I I could have sworn that there was some   reference to specific jobs but but I'll just say 
generally speaking I to to the extent there are   other permits open and they are for customers 
then I believe Mr TR you know will take we get   those taken care of he could still be working the 
essence is he could still be working making money   making payments and if he showed us good faith 
I think we're pretty reasonable but if you're   if you're not going to do it if you're going 
to say well my last suspend I'm not paying   you no more that's not what we said in here 
but that's what was discussed in this meeting   it was discussed that he could finish so back in 
April he was told that he could continue working   to then make good faith payments he said okay 
and he said okay just just so I can clear the   language CU this is where it gets confusing 
you didn't suspend his license you suspended   his permanent per I'm sorry okay so we just need 
to keep the language clear on that the license   is not suspended I think maybe the the language 
that's within our board page is confus I mean our   online page is confusing yes yes Miss Christie 
I do believe Mr TR came back and and somebody   mentioned public forum it may have been during 
a public forum around July or August or some   sometime in that time frame again I wasn't 
here representing Mr TR but I I recall through   discussions with my client where he came here 
under a public forum you know to come back to   the board and say hey I closed out those open 
Pro you know the open permits for customers   and I'd like to have my permitting privileges 
reinstated if I remember correctly I think Miss   Brewer showed up at that meeting as well to 
oppose that and I think that's when the board   basically said no we're not going to we're 
not going to do that you have I do remember   public forum I can look for those notes on that 
as well um the problem with the public forum is   he has to get on the agenda so that there's notice 
to the public and so if he didn't go through the   process of getting on the agenda to be an agenda 
item like we are today then they couldn't have   addressed it we can pull that up really quick 
because we have a great secretary yes you do may I guess you know from my standpoint all that 
is to say that Mr Tran has been trying and and I   think showing good faith um you know the board's 
decisions are the board's decisions I I don't take   issue with that but I do believe that Mr TR has 
been trying and as far as being able to do other   work I I don't know about that I know if somebody 
told me I couldn't be a lawyer tomorrow you know   I'd have a hard time paying your bills paying the 
same bills yes sir we're you know I guess from our   point of view you have to understand that knowing 
that he's in the AER 120,000 the next jobs that he   gets you know is he going to be behind of those 
because you know he's trying to overcompensate   on one job to pay the other job and that's an 
accident waiting to happen so you know again being   in the industry we know what happens when you're 
already behind on payments or already owe for a   job that hasn't been completed sure so we have 
to make sure that doesn't happen and even though   he came and he may have been in public form uh I 
still he hasn't made good on what he said he was   going to do and I again and I'll ask this question 
again if we make a decision here and I I'm not   sure what's going to change between now and uh uh 
uh 30 days from now but well if if again uh if Mr   Lee's attorney can discuss the the specifics of 
the deal he and I you know uh discussed yesterday   and Mr Lee changes his mind then then that will be 
resolved and if not again we we can but you heard   from Mr Lee he's like you know he's not listening 
to his attorney or he's in decision he hires the   attorney so he's got to tell the attorney what to 
do so if he going to tell the attorney same thing   he's telling us consideration well well that's 
possible I will say though as an attorney myself   and haven't done this for a long time part of 
what our clients pay us for is to counsel them   and persuade them as to what the right thing 
might be it's the best interest yes absolutely want to come to a conclusion here well 
while we're reviewing that I mean how   does the board feel um I know it's 
a 30-day period U and whether or not   commitments that were made has commitments 
been made and like to hear from everybody a second that I'm sorry for the court 
reporter I was saying why don't we ask Mr Lee yeah he's already told us yes Mr Lee would 
how would you feel about us continuing this for   30 days um what is your opinion or what would 
actually I give him too many chance yeah it's a   it's not like a 30 day I gave him a couple years M 
even the last time and also I couple thing I need   to clear the first thing is uh uh like like he say 
he say he believe my attorney told to me I will be   show up I'll be no show up or something like that 
or maybe something but the TRU is I got nothing I   I didn't from I didn't he my attorney say nothing 
since last time final final judge so and the   second second second I talked to the Jennifer 
on the on the email I told him I'll be show up   on feary you can see on the email and the third 
about the the I give him too many chance right   and because he's pay me the final check should be 
on the last year in the summer no August the why   why show on August because I I let my lawyer go 
to the courthouse the courthouse give the final   s blah blah like that that's is why the final is 
on August but actually I give him the two year to   make actually one half year to make a payment but 
finally you can see the number no enough 20,000   the how much I pay him totally is over $200,000 
to him uh reduce what he do will he pay the final   number is like 140 right so I give him and also 
and and also every time he give me the reason is   different like last time he told me he work on the 
house he won't to sell a house pay me the final   bill but he never so I don't him give him the more 
30 day I'm done my life my life is already like   that why you still I'm already lose my restaurant 
I lose my case I lose my actual wife everything   because this number because this restaurant 
because this project because this uh this car   this this like a it's never end it's never end 
I I and we I hate that we're trying to come to   a resolve it Mr Chris can I ask you a question to 
kind of lead the board here to something maybe his   license is suspended currently until April of this 
year is that what I saw his permitting privilege   perm priv I'm sorry I'm sorry permitting privileg 
if we today suspended his permanent privileg   for another year it would be no different than 
doing it a month from now because the next two   months we're in February March April he still is 
suspended as of right now is that correct so what   you're asking is if you suspend it you want to 
make it consecutive to to the current I'm well I'm   just saying if we if we done that action to I'm 
looking at two options no action today and wait 30   days or versus do an action today if we waited 30 
days it's not going to change the fact that those   his premium privileg is still suspended correct 
so if we act today or 30 days now that will not   affect that right now if we went further and just 
revoked his license obviously that just that ends   the whole story yes sir so we have the option of 
suspending and even if we waited 30 days from now   it's not going to change the fact that he's not 
able to do anything right now well he wouldn't be   able to pull any permits he still has projects 
yes sir right but if we suspend it today or 30   days from now it's already suspended so that's 
not going to change that part it's just a matter   of are we looking for suspension or revoking and 
if we revoke then that would be don't matter if we   do it today or thir day that's it period but 
suspension today is not going to change from   suspending 30 days from now it's already suspended 
permanent privileges right it's not going to be   different in 30 days right right so I'm saying 
that to the board to say that I'm not suggesting   we wait 30 days I'm suggesting if we do wait 30 
days it's not going to change the fact that his   licensed privileges his permitting privileges is 
suspended as of right now 30 days from now won't   matter it's already suspended if we revoke today 
obviously that's going to end the story he won't   be able to to to work in the county no more uh 
just kind of for a clarification of of where we   can go here with this what what may be important 
too is that the the open permits that he had   he could finish those permits even with even at 
this time with a revoked license the county would   allow him to finish the board is historically 
allowed that we can yeah make that decision as   a part of the so if you permanently revoke which 
is not exactly permanent you may need to know that   information as well um if you want to consider 
everybody understand what we so his license is   suspended right now we can make decision today 
we can make decision in 30 days not license his   pering privileges I keep saying that incorrectly 
it's okay uh in in 30 days the difference would   be you would have to bring um you would have 
your victim to come back right you would have   the attorney come back right and you would have 
the expenditure that you've already had multiple   times in this case right of of County time you 
know I mean that's the only difference is is that   you're you're sitting up setting up a situation 
where everybody comes back to make the to to make   a decision that you could decide to make to dat 
but that's up to the board it's completely up to   you I just when you ask me what what's different 
that's actually what I was going to bring up to   that it's going to be the same thing 30 days 
is there's really no difference very little   is going to change right in making the decision 
today because there's already been continuances   that have happened so I mean we could come to 
a final conclusion today what I do understand   from what the attorney's saying is that that 
the restitution is based on whether or not he   gets his ability to pull permits as far as the 
settlement is is going to be based on whether or   not he has the ability to pull permits but just 
for the record he's had the ability to work on   all open permits to continue to make money correct 
according to the record that Jennifer was able to   pull up from public record yes ma'am and I would 
think the same thing would be consistent it would   be the board's discretion that if we did suspend 
today for another year permanent privileges just   if if if that if he did resolve this situation 
that he is welcome to come back and and we would   be open to see what you know possibilities uh the 
board has that discretion is I'm correct if we can   we uh end a suspension right you you can always 
exercise your discretion to end of suspension um   but what you cannot do is make a decision today 
as of suspension or revocation and then come   back at a later time and add to that so whenever 
that decision is made it's your final decision   do everybody understand so if we did suspend 
per PES for another year or whatever we did   he suspended his license for a year and he made 
these things correct he has the ability to come   back and you know in good faith we can make 
a decision at that point so I want to make   sure we're still on we keep it clear you you're 
permitting privileges is one thing if you suspend   that license he cannot finish the jobs he has open 
right so those are the that's the distinctions   make sure that when you make this whoever makes 
the motion whatever their position is that they're   clear between those two things whether not it's 
the license or the permitting privileges of the   action is being taken and Mr at that point he 
could come back if this thing was resolved in   30 days he could come back and we can review that 
suspension if we chose to and just a question real   quick are there three counts today that we would 
be deliberating on we are not deliberating on any   that was already Tak care just a matter 
of restitution and and just one point of   clarification based on something Miss Luna said 
uh again I have to be careful about what I'm   discussing with Mr Lee's attorney currently but I 
think I'm safe in saying um the projects that we   are discussing being involved do not have permits 
so they were they were in planed they were about   to have permits pulled and you know when Mr uh 
Tran had his permitting privileges suspended and   so the idea is he gets his permitting privileges 
back and then can and then can pull permits on   the projects that are under discussion and that 
is part of how you know Mr Lee is is proposed   to that's a dangle to carrot I don't know if we 
have a adti for that yeah we he's done been too   far down the road let me slow you down only one 
of you can talk at a time we have a court reporter   taking everything down so and without again I I'm 
trying to be very careful but also be forthright   with the board there is a big difference here a 
big difference a secured interest in property is   a meaningful legal right it's like the mortgage 
on your house the mortgage on your house is real   Mr powerful we're thank you for explain we're 
aware that our concern is all these months   of not making payments and he had open permits 
that he could be been working on is not showing   us good faith that he might even do that on 
another one even if he have some legal paper   it don't matter to him because he's got stuff 
against him judgments against him right now so   and and again these other open permits are news 
to me today which again for the record you know   I guess I need to State warrants a continuance of 
30 days so Mr TR can look into these open permits   and at least provide a response to the board as 
to whether you know as to what they are because   my understanding in talking with Mr TR was he 
had taken care of everything that needed to be   taken care of and and and you know came back to 
the board so it's news to me today that there   are other permits that you know that should be 
news to him concern you read the transcripts   it was very clear to him and if I can just State 
for the record again you're behind closed doors   negotiating so coming from my point of view and 
the board can speak for itself uh let's be sure   that it's not contingent Upon Us providing access 
to the contractor to do additional jobs we'll make   our decision or I'll make my decision based on 
what we decide on today and if we push it back   30 days that day uh but it should not come back 
where it's contingent upon you know he's going   to get to re get his license in order to do 
those jobs in order to compensate well that's   just for the record I just want you don't have 
to respond to that but just to let you know cuz   you you made the statement that you know you 
just heard today that it was going to be based   on him providing jobs and what jobs he's got 
in his Pipeline and all that stuff I want to   be clear also that we're making a decision based 
on this case not on additional jobs that he's got   and how he's going to pay him that's it it's his 
decision how he pays him but to make that decision   we'll make it or I'll make it at that point in 
time so just kind of wanted to St that for the   record and and I I'll just say obviously he 
needs to continue working to to be able to   pay anyone and so can we hold just a moment our 
court reporter needs to a quick break sure yes understand R out of paper oh boy yeah can we take this 
like a five minute break real quick recess Sear e spe it for Sear they don't have privileges 
they don't but they are in off when I get home I'll watch because I sent you an email and that's how I 
knew I sent you an email saying heans to be tomor it's it's know when my memory is the one thing and the   record something different let me 
search the whole yeah and the only that's what I yeah I trust it a little bit less every year yeah yeah you last just need one more I'll one more is it in the video he he's he's shown 
at the podium in the video so how is it let it's you're in here I got you it's all right I hand sep hearing chrop only because Melissa was able to pull yeah that's what it is in SE that's tot f no I'm good it's like my daughter my daughter so fast a real problem I know I'm sor um just a moment so he did and so then it came back is that all he I can it sounds to be the same so he did 
come back said com he didn't come back again yes they did so they were doing all that yes all of that and we have everybody back yes we do have back other agenda session yes sir meeting is back in session 
U Miss uh chairman listen there if I get just time   moment there's been a number of documents that 
we've reviewed here today that the the the board   had questions about that are public record I 
mentioned that earlier um as a matter of keeping   the record straight it's it's my position that 
those records need to be printed off and added   to the agenda even if it's um added to the agenda 
items in case there is an appeal those um records   need to be part of the evidence in order for 
the court to make a decision um or depending   on which direction the appeal would go because 
it could go to either the board or to to um the   the Court's system to our board or to the court 
system so in that in that considering that um I   would make the recommendation we need a motion 
to uh bring any evidence from today's meeting   into the record right any of the page that she's 
that she's presented to you so that it's available   um that for that reason and also for maintaining 
the public record right so I need a motion from   all the evidence that's been shown today to be 
brought into public record for this meeting so   moved I will do that yeah and I have a motion 
have a second second all in favor raise your   right hand motion approve so on your next agenda 
um in at the next meeting you would look at that   and say yeah we approved that that would be 
part of your got thank you to make sure she   could um she can bring back the exhibits for this 
and you'd have a chance to look at those exhibits   and say yeah those are the exhibits we looked at 
good deal thank you in case there's any problems um there was there was one more thing um we did 
find where Mr Tran had come before the board   during a during the September public forum and 
there had been a discussion then um with him we've   shown that to his attorney um that was also Mr Lee 
was here and Miss Brewer was here it was public   for so it couldn't be heard um but I think he was 
told that he could bring it back okay or he said   he would see you next I think he said he would 
see you so just so you know there was he did come   before the board asking to get his license back 
or his permitting privileges back in September of 2024 so I would like to draw the board's 
attention to something because um Mr hatler   brought up moments before we we needed a break 
about some potential projects in the county or   some some that he had contracted for um prior to 
his is um suspension of Permitting privileges um   but is unable to fulfill that because um of 
the suspension um back in August of last year   many of you do know the role that I play 
for the county I wear many hats I'm also   I'm the division manager of Permitting and 
um in August of last year we caught where   Mr TR had attempted to pull permits while 
his permitting privileges were suspended   that's what you see on your screen right 
now is those voided items um from August   of 2024 um those they were subsequently those 
permits were obtained by another contractor for   those projects um and Mr TR while his perming 
privileges were suspended did apply attempt to   apply for and obtain permits it was caught by 
myself and he was notified he could not do that if I may approach it just comment on that one new 
issue that's just been uh raised um I was aware of   this from the extent that my client mentioned it 
to me but was not involved with that transaction   with the county and uh as I recall Mr tr's 
explanation he was under the impression that   after he closed out the permits uh that that the 
discussion we had in April where the said close   out your permits and then you know then you can 
have your uh permitting privileges reinstated I   think he was under the initial impression that 
after having closed out those permits he could   pull permits again and that was obviously not the 
case based on a clear reading of the record and   then uh that's why you'll see in the September 
public forum I because he came to me with this   and I said you need to go back to the public forum 
and ask you know in other words inform the board   hey in April you said I do this and maybe I could 
get my permitting privileges back and now I've   done it can I please have my permitting privileges 
back so I don't think I think it was an honest   misunderstanding not an underhanded scheme 
is is what I'll say for the record on that point so we're back to do we do a contingency continue to next month or do 
we go ahead and make a uh disciplinary decision   today first of all I would just ask this does 
anybody have a Fu for waiting 30 days let's just   kind of break it down um a contingency if I can 
just say what I think I think we should revoke his   license and end all of this I'm concerned about 
the people who still have projects that's not   completed but my feeling is to revoke it and end 
it okay thank you Mr Owen your valuable part of   the board so if you're going to have a discussion 
then you you may want to go and put that motion   on the floor I'm just asking though does anybody 
have a feeling towards the contingency or do we   just need to put the motion for revoking on the 
floor you can just ask if there are any motions   at this time is there any motions at this time 
yes motion to revoke his license okay I have a   motion on the floor to revoke his license do 
I have a second to that so that we can have discussion second so I have a 
motion to permanently revoke   his license and a second is there discussion now did we say that if we revoke it he 
wouldn't be able to finish the projects   or he would be able to that he has permit okay 
so a revocation is a needs to be a minimum of   five years that's where it starts um and then 
as far as if his license is revoked not just   his permitting privileges once his license is 
revoked he can't be a contractor for that time period Well I can so revocation actually resends 
all those permits yeah um there's been a lot of   people that have had to get new contractors and 
it may work in their benefit to get rid of them now so the motion the motion was for a revocation 
do you have a time Peri a time frame in mind Mr   Waters five years minimum yes sir five years 
minimum that outside of our purview so we have   a motion on the floor of a revocation with five 
years right and a second and so we're opening   for discussion right now is the second include 
the fiveyear minimum okay is that a yes that's a   yes I say that because the court reporter has to 
take it down and then we're at discussion phase   now seeing if we want to go forward with this and 
then there was the question um from Miss Jordan   regarding what's the status of the other permits 
basically of the open permits yeah like have we   actually spoken to the owners of so can we or 
should we we can if it's the direction of the   board we can actually make contact with all of 
the open permits we can do a permitting history   review and see if maybe something just needed to 
be closed and isn't or maybe it's a document that   needs to be fulfilled or something like that we 
would have to do a compl excuse me a second Mr Lee   we're not yet not yet give us a check in thank 
you we would have to do a complete permitting   history check we have an employee that does that 
I'm concerned about I'm concerned personally   revocation or not that part doesn't bother me it's 
it's the people that would be left hanging out   there that may not understand that that's where 
we're at um and if we go there that's fine but you   know how how will they get notified what are we 
going to do what are we going to do you mentioned   the staff that does that right right right so 
what what is our process if we do that today   what what are we going to do we so I would like to 
uh bring up a historical case where this happened   um Mr lacost Mr Banks those were historical cases 
where revocation was implemented um we do once a   revocation is performed we have to reach out to 
any and all open permit o and the property owner   there and let them know that that permit has been 
basically rescinded due to revocation of license um and that is the procedure of doing that 
um is that is that only by mail or is that   mail and phone so on the permitting documents 
whatever permitting documents were provided um   we go through that see if we can contact them 
via phone email even notice in some instances   on those cases that property owner had already 
sold the property to someone else um so it it   changed hands and we were made aware of that so 
it just it depends on a Case by case or permit   by permit really and does once you revoke it I'm 
just trying to I want to follow the bouncing ball   on the other side aside from this case does 
it close the permit at that point it for the   property for the property's sake for the next 
person or the current owner does it close that   permit so they don't have to worry about this 
open permit hanging out there and the status has   actually changed to void because of revocation of 
license that that is no longer an active or even   able to be active permit so it does not impact the 
property owner for like you would say insurance   purposes or something it doesn't show because a 
lot of title companies lean companies come back   after Properties or CH during the process of 
properties Changing Hands through sell whatever   and they say oh you have this open permit that 
will not show up on an open permit uh search okay any other discussion we have a motion on the floor 
to revoke license for five years and a second Mr Lee would you like to approach the stand 
because uh I try to be nice because I don't want   to my case bring you guys more case because I 
don't want to he do you think maybe give him   more 30 day to think about that one tell him you 
you'll be lose your license like five years you   can be a Constructor because I don't want to 
because my license bring more customers say my   job didn't finish come to here do understand me 
because I don't want to bring the more trouble   to the innocent people then don't know about this 
case then no no because the my train case my job   canot done I don't want to be more person like me 
me you need to tell him that's the last chance 30   day if you don't pay your money and you you lost 
your license your five year can be a contractor   right because I don't want you make a decision 
right now and the he Customer because he customer   is a he customer don't know about the him and I 
don't want to in the future more customer come   here told him M didn't finish my job he T he Tak 
my money he never finish I don't want to help him   more I don't want any people like me come here to 
say uh seven year lot of money to say so you're   asking us to consider a 30-day yeah a before we do 
this yeah please but you need to tell him that's   your last chance like 30 day okay I just want 
to say that's incredibly kind and generous of   you yeah because I want more people like me lose 
your business lose your house lose your car lose   your marriage that's no good because I don't 
know when he lost license like a five year and   I don't want I don't want more people like me 
so that's I want to say I make a motion that we   we can't we can't make a motion we we already 
have one on the floor sorry for about that but   that's I want to say right thank you I'm kind 
of people I don't want to be a jerk and but uh   I don't want more people like me thank you Miss 
Lee thank thank you so if I have Robert's Rules   of orders correctly and I'm have not a scholar 
of that then we have the option for the person   who made the motion to amend the motion or if not 
we can go ahead and vote and yes or no am I right   Miss Christie let me let me correct a mistake I 
made uh oh let history denote that christe made   a mistake happens more claim it happens more often 
than than I would like to admit but I'll admit it   here so the revoc so the revocation itself is can 
be no less than a year no more than five so you   so I apologize because I said a minimum of five 
um it is the maximum of five the minimum of one   okay so I wanted to pull that on five was still in 
the perimeter but thank you for the verification   five was in the perimeter right now I have it 
right that he's made the motion so either the   person who made the motion can amend it or we can 
vote and nobody vote for it drops it and pick up   another motion behind that well you're still 
in discussion on that motion right we are now   but so you can get a feeling for what everybody 
wants to that's what I'm saying and then and Ne   but he has the option to amend since he made the 
motion you're can amend overdraw right right or   withdraw yeah yeah right and and he can amend it 
based on my correction that's true that's true   yeah I'd like to just leave it at five years and 
I have no confidence Ence that this contractor is   going to do the right thing I think it's going to 
continue that's my opinion what I have observed   and I want to go ahead and let's do a vote and 
get that out the way and see where y'all really stand so then he's going to it Remains 
the Same does the second remain the same   right the everything Remains the Same does 
the person does the second remain the same   right are they still seconding his original 
that motion was Mr Paul I'll withdraw this second okay so do I have another second first 
to take the place and the motion I'll second   it you will second I'll second it okay so any 
discussion again if not we're going to go to a   vote no discussion so all in favor of revoking the 
license for 5 years raise your right hand one two   3 4 okay all opposed raise your right hand one two 
motion is carried I don't know if you can abstain   or not but uh no you can't abstain on this Miss 
Luna would you like to it still carries it's still   it's still going to carry either 
way if you if you vote against it okay so the vote still carries four to 
three for revoking of his license for five years which kind of puts a nail in it I don't I think that's the only decision that 
needed to be made in this hearing uh so we will   be moving on to 82 mark p Nunes doing business as 
Creekwood Builders LLC state registered license   number RR 28281 2147 contractor competency board 
complaint number 2411 94 coom it's in regard   to Jonathan RoR homeowner complainant at 4685 
Scenic Court Pensacola Florida 32504 this was in   the city limits um neither party is present today 
because Mr Nunes actually um reimbursed Mr RoR uh   if you remember Mr RoR paid Mr nunz a 
deposit and um and that's really the   only reason that Mr RoR filed the complaint 
against Mr Nunes uh and Mr Nunes has again   reimbursed Mr RoR um I will bring up 
the administrative complaint for Mr Nunes at that probable cause hearing the board 
determined that um there was probable cause to   believe that the respondant violated Eskimi county 
code section 1837 C6 um which a violation of that   uh of that code section is financial mismanagement 
or misconduct in the practice of Contracting that   causes Financial harm to a customer the board 
cited at that time that Mr NZ received funds   from the homeowner as a retainer and failed to 
return the funds after termination of the agree   mement by the homeowner um again neither party 
is present uh staff would request that the um   testimony provided at the probable cause hearing 
as well as those agenda items and these new agenda   items which includes the proof of reimbursement 
payment be moved into evidence for this hearing   today do you have a motion so moved that second 
all right motion second all in favor raise your   right hand all oppose same sign see none hear no 
motion is approved to move into evidence today that's so the decision before the board today is   to whether or not Define Mr nunz 
in violation of code section 1837 C6 and that was stating that he mismanage 
mismanaged funds but he has repaid those funds now you think that's correct that's that's correct 
yeah so he's he's corrected what was wrong yes   sir in that case he has okay so I'll make a 
motion to take no further action against this case that's that's uh ask ask our legal 
real quick Sor so we have a motion to   take no further action and a second that is 
a that is within our perimeters correct yes   okay any discussion on this y just want 
to say mighty nice say what now mighty nice any other discussion all in favor 
raise your right hand all opposed the   motion is to take no further action since 
he paid the money back s right let's vote   again the motion on the floor and second 
is to take no further action on this case   since he has been reimbursed the amount all 
in favor raise your right hand all opposed did for the just sorry I messed the 
discussion part going back to this it   was discussed that if he did make the payment 
then he would be made complete on both ends   is that essentially what was up for it okay 
thank you so which way are you voting Miss Luna the motion's going to carry but yeah yes 
okay motion is carried so is she voting in in   favor of the motion for the record are you voting 
in favor of the motion which is to take no further action could you just repeat the vote so 
that it's all clear on the record that was   my only discussion part on that is just 
I just wanted to be clear and make sure   that that was discussed prior that if he 
made full in the payments then he would be no further action right but well I just also 
don't because I understand the point made here   is that we just don't want to set a precedent 
for others to think that they can do and then   later as long as they make payment at in the 
11th hour then everything will be okay so so   the way that it's the way that it's treated by 
the board is it's not a bargain they don't tell   them if you do this it's it will be considered 
by the board um when they make the determination   so it's it's not a it's not a trade it's but it 
does encourage people to get things straightened   out and I we want to give them an opportunity to 
get everything done right and if the payment's   paid in full and you know it's it's an opportunity 
and again we can put up a violation it's a small   amount uh but you know given that encouragement 
to when you pay it in full that you know shows   that okay you're serious about it you want to 
protect your license and this was yeah to make   a point and this was paid in full and uh it 
came back to us and both of them agreed that   you know he's paid it and they've accepted it 
uh so therefore the reason for the motion to uh   no further action and again uh in some cases 
when it comes back to us multiple times and   you know we're having a hard time like with 
this case before we make a decision based on   the amount of times that they're dragging 
it on over and over again uh so yep that's it so I I would like to take a revote I don't 
know how this works with Roberts rule only   because there was some discussion after the 
vote was started right as the never officially   ended the vote I never declared what was done 
but as the chairperson you can certainly just   recall the vote all right so I'll just 
recall the vote just for clarification   purposes today all in favor of the motion 
to take no further action raise your right hand okay all opposed raise right hand and the 
motion carries 7 to one thank you all for working   with me on that to make sure I get it clarified 
isn't that six to one or did you vote Mr liser   six to one six I'm sorry so the record should 
reflect that it was six the record should reflect   it was the majority six to one is it a half moon 
outside or something I don't know what's going on here okay is there anything else on 
the agenda that I cannot see no   sir meeting is adjourned thank 
you guys for your time to day okay like does it we need to ask her hey Miss John doing all right today for