##VIDEO ID:gR06oJY824U## that pretty second was what she actually rep I think that clock's a little slow that's 
correct okay Christie attempted to fix it   at our at our last meeting she's been evicted 
just kidding no I didn't hear properly yeah um   and I just don't think that clock has ever been 
accurate oh she fixed it yeah yeah tried to tried to okay well we have our Quorum so 
we're we're ready whenever you are sir okay this meeting is called to order of the 
scammy County compy Board January 8th 2025 Happy   New Year to everybody 9:00 in the morning Madam 
Secretary do we have a quorum this morning yes   sir Mr chairman with eight members present we do 
good deal and do we have proof of publication for   this meeting yes sir Mr chairman it was published 
on January 2nd 2025 in the Pensacola News Journal   thank you do have a motion to accept approval of 
minutes from the last meeting in December still   moved do I have a second second all in favor 
raise your right hand all oppose same sign see   none hear none motion is approved our public for 
session do we have anybody signed up for I didn't   receive any speaker request forms um so unless 
you want to just pull the audience and make sure   if anybody is here today would like to speak 
in the public form speak now forever hold your peace okay I don't see anybody hi okay uh your secretary report 
Madam Secretary uh Happy new year thank   you and I have nothing else for the board 
at this time okay contractor applications   uh good morning board members our first 
applicant today is Mr Brian Ward Mr   Ward if you will please come to the podium 
state your name and address please for the record Brian Ward 7941 Susan Elane Drive 
Milton Florida 32570 board members Mr Ward   appears before you today requesting to qualify an 
additional entity uh currently his business is EV   Quality Construction LLC and he desires 
to qualify MV all type Construction LLC thank you yes sir Mr Ward you want anything 
to tell us uh what would you like to know open   book well um I'll just open some discussion 
I remember your name in the face and the 20   not guys not 20 but those guys you brought 
in here to get license at time and uh so so   you're opening up a new company is that what 
you're doing that well no not technically I'm   qualifying an additional entity uh so I have 
Quality Roofing which is separate from all   of this qualified under our State Certified 
license um I've got EB quality uh I see an   opportunity within uh the industry particularly 
subcontracting space inside of our industry um   for a lot of improvement uh increased compliance 
and I just see an opportunity there so uh I um   uh qualified one entity I want to qualify 
an additional entity um and uh sort of uh   bring them under the umbrella of my primary 
company uh Quality Roofing uh to subcontract   for us inside of that space I think it's an 
opportunity for them to to um to learn and   grow uh under an organization that's trying to 
do things the right way um and um you know if   uh in time uh they've uh done well and um maybe 
they have an opportunity to test for themselves   um but in the meantime uh gives me an opportunity 
to give them direct oversight and making sure   they're compliant and doing things the right 
way uh until such time they decide to test for themselves is there a reason why you don't 
just keep them under your current company if   the subcontractors um well there's a a Litany 
of reasons uh really but these are Standalone   companies you know like they're trying to uh to do 
their own thing build their own organization and   they just need some guidance is really what they 
need um and I think it starts with compliance and   Licensing right so they're not really interested 
in becoming employees uh they they already have   their their own business right but uh they're 
they're non-compliant as it is or as it currently   stands with regard to licensing so this checks 
that box for them but also again brings them   under the umbrella of somebody who's trying to do 
things the right way helping them get compliant   uh so that they can attempt to grow organization 
and and you live out the American dream so trying   to trying to help them do that and and go about 
it the right way so you also taking the financial   responsibility of that company I am okay just like 
when we open multiple companies it's concerning   to me I'm the board that you know a lot of times 
when we have a u contract or a roof for opening a   multiple companies you know it's about one company 
is about default so they've got another company   and another company ready how can you assure us 
that that's not the case here um well any way   you'd like me to assure you of that um I said it's 
it's really about uh those guys I I'm not I'm not   trying to to uh play the uh U the the hidden the 
hidden ball game or anything like that um I'm not   sure what I could tell you to to to affirm that 
outside of my my testimony that's not the case   um how many current uh permits are issued to your 
companies right now do we know great question um   it's about 2,000 a year um probably 1,200 or so 
in County like how many open permits do you have   currently right now and work job that you're doing 
between your companies maybe 20 am I asking the   right question so I I think what you're asking is 
how many open permits does Mr Ward have under all   licenses currently I could pull that up for 
you if you'd like um it's at the discretion   of the board if you would I'd like to look at it 
Jen while you while you're doing that I guess my   concern is historically when this situation 
happens there's not enough um handholding   to that subcontractor and then therefore the 
subcontractor gets in trouble and then the person   that's the ultimate license holder is standing 
here again when it comes to issues and then it's   not well it's not my fault the subcontractor 
did the work yeah so what's what's great about   this Arrangement is that um they're only going 
to be performing subcontracting work for me in   my other in my primary organization Quality 
Roofing so uh as the license holder I'm the   only one that can sign off on any permits so 
um you know they would not be able to to permit   anything outside of what I agreed to permit for 
them um or on behalf of that organization um   um so I feel like I have direct control and 
oversight over everything that they're doing and   it's it's primarily Under the Umbrella of Quality 
Roofing inside that organization so obviously   we have direct oversight U and you know able to 
make sure that they're not doing anything sideway   ultimately it's um it's subcontracting for Quality 
so quality is of course going to stay on top of it   so who holds the insurance for the work that they 
do that's the The Entity so each of the entities   holds the insurance and it's it equal to or 
greater than the equivalent of qualities that's correct they have their own workers comp 
insurance as well correct can I ask you   this question are you through as me I'm 
sorry um are you listed as part of the   owner of MV now no and uh according to the 
statutes not required to be listed as part   owner that's one Avenue uh is be listed as 
a a a minority owner minimum 20% share uh the um there's actually three ways there's uh 
ownership there's W2 employee status uh or uh a   joint venture agreement that um basically outlines 
how the supervision uh is going to be uh executed   um so I can do either of those things currently 
I'm W2 inside of each of those organizations so   I checked the box there but in addition to that 
a joint venture agreement outlining how that   supervision is going to be executed could 
also be done so I have a question for you   because you keep talking about Quality Roofing 
being the overreaching umbrella so why wouldn't   not not not really um it's just that they're 
doing sub these two entities are going to be   doing subcontracting work for Quality Roofing 
correct I understand that and that's what you   provided today so why would you not qualify these 
additional entities with your State Certified like   since the Quality Roofing is the umbrella company 
well it's it's it's not uh technically an umbrella   company um and I think it's probably a good idea 
to keep those things separate um I think it makes   sense to keep those two things separate from 
one another so I mean I'm just trying to make   sure it's it's clear because I don't want you to 
step off into anything that could be misconstrued   in any way um so Quality Roofing would be 
writing a contract right with these companies   and then you would be subing it from your State 
Certified company correct to your local liced   company you qualify correct flag go ahead um 
I just want to draw your attention to to the   board under Quality Roofing you might have maybe 
like 60 65 open permits um under under his newer   company he has not obtained any permits with 
his local license corre there's a flag to us   obviously you can hear it in our voices here um 
we deal unfortunately we deal with the bad stuff   a lot yeah yeah understandable and all this right 
here Flags us as potential is there anything in   particular that I can bring Clarity to to uh but 
I think too just to interject for a second here   coming from another and like a business standpoint 
we definitely see the bad and we have the negative   obviously that's why the board is here but then 
on the other side of it you know we can't see the   future we can't see if he is going to do something 
wrong or one of the subcontractors is but if   someone does if that does happen then they will 
come before us I I understand what you're saying   but I just don't want to have too much like having 
our hand too much into to say you cannot make an   economic impact to our community we are not going 
to allow you to have an entity I understand and   appreciate what you're saying my concern is that 
uh the new entity has issues and quite honestly   what you've laid out as a structure doesn't hold 
you really accountable financially except for your   license in the sense and so I understand that 
you're a W2 employee but that to me just means   you can walk away at any point and not necessarily 
um um have any Financial backing to this company   if they have any wrongdoing that needs to happen 
or has happened um there's no there's no tie to   you other than your license financially for any 
harm that comes to those people on this company   because you're just a W2 employee as you said so 
at the end of the day if it does if their if their   insurance doesn't cover whatever the damage is and 
the people that are named don't have the funds in   which to cure that who's going to take care of 
it well presumably Quality Roofing who holds the   uh the primary contract with the homeowner uh it 
would default to theirs right so you've actually   got two levels of protection uh in the event that 
there is any uh issue with the homeowner you got   the um the the primary the quality who held the 
original contract and their insurances um and   then uh if uh if there was any need to subate 
to a subcontractor in their insurances uh there   would be two levels of protection there so I 
don't think there's any any concern in that   respect um certainly nothing that that that i' 
I've identified of course um I don't anticipate   having any problems like that so again please 
understand none of us are badgering you we've just   seen way too much over the last few years well I 
I've got nearly nearly 20 years uh uh and I think   I've maybe come in front of you guys one time in 
20 years and it was immediately resolved um so   I uh I think I've got a pretty good track record 
of of doing the right thing and trying to uh be a   good example to uh businesses uh in the community 
so so my question Mr Marino um you looking at all   the documentation and actually really kind of 
seeing all the paperwork and everything um what   is your recommendation for this and do you see so 
in in this particular situation we have to defer   to the board for decision uh we are currently I 
did speak to Mr Ward we are waiting on additional   documentation uh to complete the process should it 
be permitted so I have not seen that portion of it   yet have you ever come across anything like 
this to where there would be a reason not to approve uh in this instance no ma'am um   ultimately this would have to 
be up to the board's the board's pleasure so who owns the company if you're just 
an employee which M andv uh the new company yeah   mmv uh the owner's name is Myra Castillo uh it's 
the the wife of Gaston uh who I've known for U   15 years um great people and uh I said they they 
trying to build build a company but I'm trying to   do what I can't to help them become compliant and 
then I said nurture them right and and and try to   try to give them some guidance um and I think this 
is a the right way to do it uh to to be compliant   and above board U and uh I just think we're doing 
it the right way just help me walk through just   for a second so as of right now Quality Roofing 
gets the permit you sub it to M and V correct   as of right now correct and they do all the work 
on the job site they they will under this under   this newu that's what's happening right now though 
because by law you can sub it to a separate entity   as long as you pull the we cannot we cannot sub 
to them at present because they're unlicensed they   don't currently have a license attached to that 
organization so we can't legally sub anything to   this but but you've worked with them in the past 
I have but they're not licensed I've worked with   them in the pass yes I have I'm not trying to 
trap you I'm trying to figure out there there's   something I'm not feeling fuzzy for whatever 
reason and so I'm trying to figure out what   the heck's going on yeah you know because this 
company's already been in existence there already   been a roofing company event they might be flying 
under the radar whatever that people do that   that's not would be the first time right uh and 
that's what I mentioned about helping them with   compliance that that's you know what what this 
helping them with compliance and uh helping them   understand how to run an operate a business is is 
really the what we're trying to accomplish here um   and uh yeah they've been under the radar uh over 
the years uh some but it's uh recently uh come   to come to light or I've I've gained a a better 
understanding of uh some of the requirements I was   previously under the impression that when it came 
to um Roofing in particular uh and really all um   all trades that as long as that work was being 
directly overseen um that that you're compant   however you're not actually just just in the past 
maybe six months or so uh uh learned that so you   know helping helping them all become compliant 
is you know the objective here have anybody else   have a question well I just oh go ahead go well 
you just said helping them all so how many more   of these do you plan on doing no just there's two 
um and you know if uh if legislation allows for   it um and there's there's not a problem with 
doing an additional then you know there may   be an opportunity to do that at some point in the 
future but I don't I don't see that it's not in in   my plans so and do you you also own or do you or 
is this just EB quality that is that you also I'm   a W2 employee there as well who wants that um uh 
vivana allejo and so we've already approved this   once before for Sor uh well no let me correct that 
real quick um if you remember whenever Mr Ward   came in to uh support some of his employees to get 
their own licenses he applied for um examination   as well on the local level at that time his 
business entity name was that entity name that   he put on his application so his original lure 
qualifies that business that he got on the local level but it was an existing business that's   correct at that time I guess that 
slipped past but I didn't realize that and it can qualify up to three 
companies I believe is that right Mr   Tim I think he I think you can qualify 
up to three companies with your state license I believe that's correct believe 
that's right yeah I believe that's correct and I'm not you know rainbows unicorn 
sunshine you know what I mean I know that   there's thing well yeah majority of the time you 
caught me um but I mean I know that there's the   negative out there but from everything that 
he's saying and that I see I just I don't see   a reason not to approve and hearing him it 
has that kind of stutter esque entrepreneur   ship leadership wanting to assist someone 
be the best that they can possibly be isn't   that what we as a board would want yeah if 
it's done in the right Dimension there just um when you when you qualify a separate 
entity typically that entity don't sub   from one of your other entities but with it I 
can qualify another building company right uh   actually I remodel but that company don't work 
for me it is a standalone so when you're under   the there's there's some uh great areas danger 
areas that can happen with this that's that's   what flagging me and some of it can be against 
Mr Ward big time because if if these guys go out   and do a job and unpermitted uh y'all can help 
me with this but if if they do an un permanent   job but you're the qualifier can be held liable 
for them pulling not pulling a permit and now   his license is in trouble you see what I'm saying 
there's there's a there's a spider web here and I   feel like I need we need some more information 
time something to figure something out here if   I may uh Alton I just I would have no issue 
with it I understand what you're doing and I   appreciate what you're doing yes I just want 
to I want personally want to be able to see   where there is more tie to you financially so 
that an oversight to said entity so that that   said entity isn't in here with a whole list of 
issues and owing a bunch of citizens money for   work not finished and it spiral out of control 
that that's if you could solve that puzzle for   us then that's that's the issue I think I can 
and um as as the license holder if if I'm the   only person uh associated with that entity that 
can sign for a permit um if I'm the only one that   can sign for a permit I think thereby like it 
that makes me responsible to any homeowner that   they were Contracting with so yes what Mr Ward 
is saying with and we haven't seen an Loa for   this company as of yet um so that means he has not 
authorized any person to do any kind of Permitting   on his behalf um then he is the responsible party 
if permits to should be pulled correct um and I   have no intention of of doing an Loa for either 
of these entities so you would be the person   signing the I would be ultimately responsible 
for anything so and and I said I'm comfortable   with that um so and your contract is written 
in such a way that Quality Roofing is really   the person on the hook with the customer at the 
end of the day and so that's my question because   he was saying and this is just coming from a 
permitting licensing standpoint point so would   the permits be obtained under Quality Roofing 
okay that that was my question so I think that   solves the question for me then at that point you 
youve covered it so that when the citizen comes in   here to complain because there's an issue we're 
going to come to you quality correct and we're   going to come to you both for your license and 
financially correct that's what that's mmv is   not pulling permits then no okay if they you just 
qualifying correct if any permit was pulled it'd   be done with my signature uh so I ultimately 
be responsible regardless but you're employee   of all the companies though correct okay no 
ownership in those companies correct W2 which   is legal correct absolutely kind of a loophole in 
the law of some sort but well but it's there it's   there use it right yeah there's no such things as 
loopholes in the walls sorry I Ed the wrong words yeah well thank you for what you're 
doing in the community I think this   is wonderful I think it's a good thing in my opinion any other discussion thank you for 
taking the time to explain this to us okay   do I have a motion for or against this I motion 
to approve and do I have a second I'll second I   have a motion to Second any other discussion all 
in favor raise your right hand all oppose same   sign okay the vote is approved by majority uh 
just word of advice to be very careful though   because you're you're treading somewhere here so 
I I think we're good thank you so much guys thank you uh good morning board um our first applicant 
well next applicant to appear before you today all right yes um our next applicant to 
appear before you today is Mr Brent Hunter   uh Mr Hunter if you will please come to the 
podium state your name and address for the record Brent Hunter 430 Waterberry Court 
cantonement Florida board members Mr   Hunter appears before you today applying for 
application for examination to take the resid   Cal contractor examination and appears before 
you today with 4 years 1 month and 27 days of   experience working under his former employer 
Mr Scott day license number cl- 318 now this   license is based out of the city of Brighton 
Colorado included in this package you will   find copies of Mr Day's license along with the 
definition of the corresponding license type   uh the Class C license held by the qualifier uh 
does match our definition set forth in chapter   48915 with one exception uh the testing for 
Colorado follows the code cycle set forth by   ICC G13 residential building contractor 
under this code a residential contractor   May construct a building up to a duplex 
in our code our residential contractors   are able to construct up to a Triplex now 
based upon the difference in code staff   is deferring the board deferring to the board 
for approval or denial of the application for examination and I just just as a side note I 
I want to introduce the board I'm sure most   of you have probably met Dante at some 
point he has become one of our newest   licensing Specialists and this is his first 
presentation to the board today and I think   he did a great job Nick doing a great job 
met I thank y'all him and yeah yeah and so   what Dante was referencing is is uh that 
Mr Hunter comes from out of state he and   so there's a little bit of differences with 
some definitions and it's for the board to determine and what is staff's recommendation be 
because of the differences in the definitions   uh staff at this time does not have a 
recommendation we're leaving it to the   discretion of the board thank you uh board members 
if I may sarcastically said you will find a a   definition for that Colorado lure type from the 
city of Brighton uh it meets almost all of our   qualifications with the exception of Triplex 
and duplex um our residential contractors can   go up to a Triplex but and that we are deferring 
to you based on that one difference and I think   U Mr Hunter can probably better explain all of 
his experience um than the documentation yeah   so growing up my dad actually built large Custom 
Homes so I was kind of raised around construction   um when I went into well shortly after high school 
I went to work at Gaylord of the Rockies as a HVAC   and Refrigeration technician so I went to trade 
College I got licensed in Heating and Cooling um   during that time I was an offer from Scot day so 
we did residential remodels and Commercial new   construction we did everything from Full guts 
everything down to the studs rebuilt it we did   additions um I was also when I worked for them 
project manager for uh crumble cookies tenant finish and so yeah that's I mean we did remodels   all the time everything from 
Aesthetics to you know full homes much structural stuff or mainly 
cosmetic structural too yeah we did roof   trusses when we did the additions um we did the 
excavation the foundations roof trusses exterior Framing and I found a definition here so 
the the ICC follows what the IRC is um   for the G13 and this says holds a license for 
construction on one and two family dwellings   U occupancy buildings and attached single unit 
dwellings so town houses essentially yeah it's   International building code yes correct yes 
sir we're Florida you know we think we're a   little bit better than that we we take yours and 
rank it up a little bit put our name on it you know um any questions from anybody on this 
how long have you been here in this area   so I was actually in Nashville remodeling 
a town home when my brother moved here um   two years ago so I moved down here cuz he had 
brought my stuff with him because I lived with   him out in Colorado um but I've been back 
and forth so I've been here for good for   last summer since last summer and and where 
you working now just by myself by yourself for myself well so do we blame you for the 
cold weather then I'm not a fan of it   anymore either longer you stay here the less 
fan you'll be any comments any questions all   right do I have a motion I make a motion to 
approve second Jinx second these ladies from   a roll all in favor raise your right hand 
all oppose same sign seeing none you've   been unanimously approved good luck with it 
sincerely we love seeing young guys coming   in like this uh our industry needs young 
people all this old farts we need young   people see how I look at here so thank you 
for for doing this good luck with everything okay do we need to take a quick break anybody 
Donuts do we need to take a quick break are we   good okay I lost time all right our next item 
um we're moving into disciplinary hearings   both of our next items are restitution only 
hearings we've already the board has already   made determinations as far as violations so the 
first one is Wade L Hunter III doing business   as Lee Hunter Construction LLC registered license 
number RR 28281 12171 contractor competency board   complaint number 24863 coom it's in regard 
to Julie Ricks the homeowner complainant at   215 Berry Road Pensacola Florida 3257 proper 
notice was sent to the respondent Miss RX are   you present today and are you going to 
provide testimony um Mr Hunter are you   present today Mr Hunter is not present Melissa 
did we receive communication from Mr Hunter   in regard to today yes he texted me um about 
a quarter to 9 and said he was going to be   running late and I explained to him we had 
other things on the agenda first just get   here as quick as you can could you text him 
to see if he's like within two minutes if he   is we could but if he's 30 40 you know we're 
just going forward but at least be considerate while we're waiting um when the board meeting is 
over today we have some donuts and some biscuits   and something back there in the back if you guys 
would like to thank indulge you're spoiling us   happy New Year thank you Happy New Year definitely want to make sure our security   lady gets something we're 
thankful for her yes we are thought it was charging all 
this time it was even charging he said he had to borrow a car to get 
here so he's still about 15 minutes   out and he said he'd go ahead with it if 
you're going to but he'll still continue coming take a five 10 minute break just give 
him an extra couple minutes and just to try   to be considerate if anybody wants to run to 
the restrooms take a break take a five minute recess all most I don't want to just to let you know that's so what oh Janay on top of was this for how was your holidays a l it know on it looks pretty good and then 
when it heats up it starts rinking I've got a was conratulations I've been on a pretty long time en a lot lot of most was you believe is long history bless you I wanted to ask you that off 
the so you didn't have to write Miss Tim I just I just saw Miss 
Rhonda I no I didn't know that she   come walk up said hey Alon that's 
what she told me she said what to don't your and we'll call the meeting back to order I have I 
think we got carried away on our time a little bit there all right so we've reconvened I've 
already readed this um case into into the   minutes I believe Mr Hunter has now joined 
us um Miss RX did say that she was going   to provide testimony Mr Hunter are you 
going to provide testimony today um so   I'm going to leave it to the discretion of 
the board um again everything else on this   hearing has already been decided 
this is for restitution purposes only Okay so so have they been sworn in do we need   to swar them in we can now U Mr 
RX Mr Hunter if you'll please be sworn thank you so miss Ricks would 
you like to go first to explain um Miss Rex real quickly um did you provide 
an any additional documentation from the last   time so staff would request that the documentation 
attached to the agenda it was previously attached   at the last hearing be moved into evidence for 
today all moved do have a second all in favor   raise your right hand I'll oppose same sign seone 
hearing none motion is approved thank you Mr rexs so what would you like to know 
I think the last time we had   some questions about some of the 
details on this and does anybody have yes if you recall I believe the board 
just needed additional time to run through the   documentation and see if they had any questions um 
I think someone did ask me about the contract with   the new contractor right and that contract is a 
Cost Plus so I mean I gave him and I think that's   included in the documentation I've already given 
you was what he was paid as the contractor and   then anything past that point um we have a text 
string where we talk about what the approximate   cost would be per thing that we would be doing 
like for the other subs that came in um but as far   as like nailing it down exactly how much things 
were going to cost we didn't do that we didn't   have that in our contract and I guess I'm assuming 
that's how Cost Plus works so Jennifer can you   pull up the um the document that says restitution 
document submitted and redacted so that's the   front page here that you'd see on your screen 
would you like me to just scroll through each page   let me ask a question first so what I I mean 
I can see that you've got $50,000 worth of   cost $50,100 43 worth of cost and then 295 
in payments but um there was a question in   there somewhere where uh was payment to 
the new subcontractor and I think that   got um if you go down um I believe that's 
that first reference up here of the $15,000   so that's to the new person correct 
not what you paid Mr Hunter okay so   the 50,000 is what you contracted with Mr 
Hunter for I contracted with Mr Hunter for   66,000 and I paid him 35,000 you contracted 
for 66 and you gave him 35 correct of that 35 of that 35 what was actually completed 
the floor okay which I think that's one of   the reasons we were requesting right from 
the new contractor the scope of work that   was pending so we can better determine 
you know where contractor a left off and   where contractor B is beginning and what it's 
going to take to get to the end right and I   get to the end or to get to the point where Mr 
Hunter would have been in the in the contract   because it was 35,000 up front we got to knock 
down and then once we got to knock down then I   would give him another installment and then the 
end the job another installment so I'm sorry I'm   a little confused by I understand what you're 
saying to knock down but you know if again that   you're telling us it's to knock down we don't we 
don't know what that interpretation means because   we don't know how much knockdown how much wall 
space so if we had that would be on the first   contract right there should have been a cont 
contract we what we requested was the contract   with the new with your new contractor and I didn't 
see it in the documentation literally is just Cost   Plus it's like I I understand what you're saying 
Cost Plus but there should still be some kind of   scope of work contract of written been included 
in the permit whatever he applied for you should   have a contract with him even if it's a Cost Plus 
there should be a contract that's written between   the two for your prot of some kind he didn't 
include the C he didn't include any of that   stuff what you're talking about you're setting 
yourself up for the same issue I suppose so yes y it it's very difficult for us to come up 
with a or agree with a restitution amount   if we don't have something in writing from the 
new person and what their scope is going to be   of what they're going to do or finish right or 
have done at this point versus what your first   Mr Hunter did you contracted with and what he 
actually completed and you paid him for right   we have to have both of those in order to compare 
to come up with what that restitution number would   be and if we don't we're we're stuck okay and 
the job still going it's not completed correct are you able to get that from the current 
contractor I don't think it would be too difficult   if he a contractor Prov you would think so would 
you yeah did there is a permit a new permit on   this job yes so I can bring up the permit and 
y'all can take a look at the permit I correct me   wrong Alton is that is that not a requirement 
that they have a contract is that not part   of the permitting process in your world we don't 
require appr I know you guys don't but is it not   part of the rules so to speak the by the Florida 
law yeah the Florida building code requires for   there to be some type of a contract deal and the 
contractor should know that whoever's doing it   cost you got to have certain U verbiage in that 
contract including the construction recovery I   mean there's a whole bunch of stuff that's legal 
that you have to have in there question you've   I'm trying to put my brain around these told 
numbers and okay we were hoping for a better   breakdown to be honest that's what we were looking 
for instead of the same thing I'm seeing $50,000   that you're listing here you know based on 
the contractor 15 electrician n9ine plumber 8 Etc Cost Plus and I'm seeing 15,000 to the 
Builder out of this I take that out of 50   just using rough figures that means 
around 35 has been spent for the   project right and he's charging you 
15,000 and the fee on top of 30 other   words you spend 35,000 and he's charging 
$155,000 fee for $35,000 worth of work so far your original contract was for how much 65,000 
66 Ro buiness 56,000 66 66,000 and I'm looking at   this right now where it says project type contract 
value is 35,000 this is the new this is the new   one so according to the new general contractor 
he's saying that the contract value of this job   is 35,000 that's correct and the original contract 
value was 60 something you said 56 666 she giv him   35 and you're giv him 35 so 35 and 35 70 so 
the difference is about five yeah I mean 35   is what I've spent I haven't necessarily that's 
just a whole other issue I have another issue   with another contractor that doesn't even need 
to so he has he has gotten like the the plumber   I pay the plumber and he pulled the permits 
I paid the plumber the electrician I paid the   electrician my contractor that has $15,000 of 
my money is not doing what he's supposed to do   either that's a whole other thing I see you guys 
later um but so at this point and actually you   may not because I'm so overall of it I just 
but so at this point right now um the house   is not finished um it got to knockdown it's 
been painted and the floor is going in and um I don't know what else to I'm exhausted because 
I'm physically doing a lot of the work myself   so sorry if I don't have this is just where 
I am so F you said 5,000 is the difference   no uh do we still have a final to do on this 
on the inspection or is there any inspection   still pending so to draw your attention 
to the screen um it does have a couple of   past inspections under the new contractor's 
permit uh strapping and nail and framing um   that would put the next inspection to be due 
would be a final when it's complete and who's   the contractor the new contractor this one 
was pulled by PB Services Group LLC Rodrigo Barona I I just don't think we have enough 
to make a decision I don't know whether to   wait till the final permit is issued 
and then um it's closed out and she   has the final numbers as a settlement 
uh I know that Mr Hunter is present if   you want to talk to him as well I mean 
he might be able to give you some more information get me yeah there's just you know 
35,000 and a contractor charg you 15,000 for that   much of work for his amount of fee that's about 
a what a 50 something per cost plus 50 something   % and I would imagine you didn't agree to cost 
plus 50 something I didn't agree to cost plus plus   do you have a contract with him at all yes okay 
if you can possibly bring that to us we want to   try to help you first of all let me tell you we're 
here to help you I know I'm sincere we're here to   help you but we have to have some structure to 
be able to put that together I does that make   sense and I can understand Miss Rick you're you're 
probably wits in whatever words on this thing yeah   so we don't want to make it more complicated 
but we have to be fair for the whole picture   does that make sense thank you for understanding 
abely and if you could possibly get that to us is   that what the thoughts are yes okay all righty 
do we need to take a vote on that or just just recommend to continue to for 
continuance for next hearing   personally would encourage you to talk to Mr 
Hunter because he is right we'll do that as   well we'll do that as well need a motion and a 
vote gotcha got you just want to confirm that   thank you m Rick Mr Hunter would you 
like to say something concerning this case so we started this job I don't remember 
the exact date it was around July last year   um and then like I said last meeting within 
like two weeks I was terminated when I went to   pay for the permit that's when she hired the new 
contractor out that was one of my subcontractors   she just hired him right out from underneath me 
and now I guess she's having issues with him as   well but she didn't even realize that she's 
paying a $155,000 contractor fee which is odd   um do I need to go over the work completed do are 
y'all I mean we talked about this but that's what   I was going to go over I know she said all 
that was done was the floor but there was   other things that was done so I don't that's all 
I was going to talk about was all the work that   was completed I think what we need to now that 
you know that wish is requesting is a rebuttal   to yeah she wants $50,000 for a job that she paid 
me $35,000 to do that I've done probably close to   $30,000 $35,000 in work on I mean she went out and 
hired a a new contct contractor a new electrician   a new plumber I don't really see why I would be 
liable to pay for that you know or contractor   fees of $15,000 to a new guy she she terminated 
me within you know a couple weeks Jenifer did we   already get information I'm sorry did we already 
get information from Mr Hunter of um his side   of what he already completed and paid and paid 
for and and accounting of his the money that he   received so far we have not received an accounting 
of his funds um um what he expended today okay he um Miss Reber is saying that he had a 
breakdown in his contract that was originally   provided um and so that that might be some 
information that could assist it' be helpful   if you can go through that and from your version 
see what percentage of work was completed based on   the original contract that you had right and then 
attach a dollar value to it and so that way we   know exactly where you're at on the and then come 
back next month I I think we're probably heading   towards making that motion to postpone until 
next meeting something that shows us something   that shows us how much Mone we need some definites 
we don't this the scattering is is hard for us to   bring and this would be like the fifth month this 
has been continued so yeah I get it yeah we don't   want you to come back any more than you want to 
we want to get it resolved for everybody involved   right but at the same time we can't just 
throw a number out without there being some   right absolutely yeah you know something to build 
that number on right so if you could take your uh   original contract Mar what you have completed and 
it should have a number value out there right and   then we will check with Miss Ricks to make sure 
that that has been completed in other words we'll   we'll be fair to the process I sent pictures of 
everything that I was that that was done to M   we'll repair the process to make sure so that we 
know what's what's to be subtracted sounds good   is that correct from everybody anybody confident 
with that okay so I need a motion for continuance   I'll make a motion for continuance on this case 
and a second I'll second all right all in favor   raise your right hand all oppose same sign see 
none hear none motion has been approved for continuance to February yes sir that's correct our next item again is a 
restitution only hearing um it is Wade L Hunter   II doing business as Lee Hunter Construction 
LLC registered license number r r 28281 12171   contractor competency board complaint number 
24967 c it's in regard to Jeffrey and Cynthia   hedenberg the homeowner complainants at 65 61 
oakcliff Road uh Pensacola Florida 32526 as   you recall at our last hearing you needed more 
documentation some more information in regard   to restitution um we did you also asked for some 
updated photos you wanted to see the progress and   where it stood um all of that information is 
now attached to this agenda um and so at this   time I'm going to go ahead preemptively and 
request that those be moved into evidence so   moved do I have a second second all in favor 
raise your right hand oppose same sign see   none hear none motion is approved uh Mr and Miss 
hedenberg are present today um are you going to   provide testimony for this hearing thank you and 
Mr Hunter we know is present I'm going to have   the hedenberg sworn in and remind uh the board 
that Mr Hunter was already sworn and remains sworn um I'm going to leave it to the 
discretion of the board on how they wish   to proceed okay so we see the information uh 
could you pull up the accounting form there on   the request yes ma'am just everybody to be 
able to see some numbers here before we go into this is just so I believe how 
Mr hedenberg broke it down is all   the items paid as items one through eight 
and then deductions a through H so that so   then you see his breakdown here in the 
final number that he came to again he's   here for any explanation you might need okay 
just make sure everybody sees that first there Mr heidenberg would you like to basically it's at a standstill um I got the 
roof done I paid to do it he was supposed to   give the deposit we waited a week waited two 
weeks waited three weeks he never got in touch   with the the roofer I'd already done a knock 
and everything else for that um there was no   contact after that he stopped answering text 
he he hasn't answered a phone call period he   always texts you back um the inside um 
do you have the uh sheet the contract sheet was it part of this backup sir should be 
the next sheets the next Pages this one that   one okay um this copy doesn't have what was 
completed but um I'll go through real quick   with the parts so that you understand 
better on what was completed and what wasn't um the ini payment was given and that was a 68,000 he completed everything on the inside 
of the house pretty much with the exceptions   of the floor and the bathroom the master bath 
he did some work in there and it got left like   it is the flooring was done all the way up to 
the master bedroom room and the second bedroom   across the hall I still need the floor I have 
a stack of flooring in my living room still   for to finish it I had asked for estimates from 
him to show bills and stuff that he had paid or   what he paid people I get no answers um the 
big piss off on this was trying to send him   the Construction contract termination letter I 
get it back unopened not received so he's not   even given addresses to them that are correct 
because I use the address that I got from up   in the front office so to me he's just playing 
the same way he did when they worked with the   previous company that he worked for that 
guy's in jail now he's following the same pattern I need some of this money back that he has   taken and I took my money out of my 
retirement to do this room Edition I shouldn't have because I found out 
later I have cancer and that that is   another whole cost but this is getting 
to the point where once you all make   your determination it's going to be a civil 
case and it's going to be for probably more   than what he's willing to come up with 
but that's going to take a judge's order if you have any questions on any of the amounts 
feel free to ask what is your current claim right   now your total claim that you feel that you owed 
the previous one is 68,000 for the amounts that   bills I paid to do the roof I paid off the 
lumber company which is the item five and   and uh three and four are the roof the 
one and two are the payments that he   received the initial payment was 63 the 
next payment was the 15 for finishing the framing and pretty much after that one 
is when he just cut off all contract so   in total you've paid the contractor what in 
total I paid the contractor the 60 the 63 and 15 69 68 eight how did you got 
the old one up there 68,000 is   what it's showing on the contract 
in this okay plus the 15 the roof   was paid out of my pocket it was 
supposed to come out of that money the bill for the lumber he should have paid I went   ahead and paid it because every month 
they were adding another $90 to it for interest um the other items are letters certified 
letters to try and get him to respond to something those are the 67 and8 the items on AB through H are 
estimates on some of it um where I   called contractors to see what it 
would cost to do uh a slab to the   standards that were required because of 
the addition they had to drill into the   main foundation so it was extra work 
it wasn't just a pour in a slab the uh the estimate on the floor was what was done 
by percentage so that should cover pretty much   all the numbers just so I can wrap my head around 
this I'm going to kind of go through this where I   can understand it so to date you had paid the 
contractor 83,000 yes the new contractor have   you hired a new one yet no I can't get someone 
to come out okay so how much have you paid out   of pocket on top of the 83,000 to get to the 
work to where it's at today the 14 for the roof   and change and the 11,39 to the lumber company 
so items 3 through five right 335 and what was   the total value of the contract total value of 
the contract was I owed him and he would have   gotten another um just the total not what he's 
left what was the total including the 83 94 150 94150 and in your opinion you don't know 
what percentage of work was completed   would you be able to determine that 
the percentage on the inside went by   pretty quick taking out the fireplace that 
only took that took less than a week um   um the flooring and doing the ceiling 
patches was another probably two weeks um if you had to place a doll of value 
to what's left to do would you be able   to I mean I know you said you haven't hired 
anybody but what do you think it would take   based on experiences that you've had the people 
that you've talked to two rooms of flooring or   the two rooms inside of flooring and then the 
large room outside the one person I've talked   to said he would give me a discount because 
there was the the one room is empty there's   no furniture they've got to move around or 
anything they've just got to lay the floor   um wallboard ceiling Electrical Plumbing 
um my big cost is going to be electrical uh windows and some kind of covering for the 
outside the cost that I've gotten on the outside   was 35,000 to get the aluminum siding to match 
the other that's on the house already 25,000   35 35,000 excuse me 100 okay okay it was uh 7500 
for Brick if I wanted to match the brick coming on around windows were uh to get ones where I don't 
have to put up shutters was 10,000 to get Windows   where I have to still put up shutters was 
uh what was originally contracted on that   yeah what was originally contracted with your 
original contract so I'm trying to Define that   if he would have finished job his scope of work 
and he quit let's just say hypothetically 50% of   it right now so I'm I'm understanding that you 
haven't bought in another contractor either to   give us a dollar value and what it's going 
to take to finish the work like our previous   case he's probably only done 40% 40% of the 
work okay because from the pictur you can   see the room is not it it's frame and that's 
about it frame and cutouts for the windows   his contract where he did pricing he didn't price 
each individual thing he put addition in a total   price M okay but there was no breakdown for what 
each thing cost like Windows and siding or brick   or anything like that it was just like a bulk 
cost for the room yeah I think that's why it's   important that you you're probably going to 
again for me to feel comfortable at least to   get a contractor to come in and price I have 
called six of them they will not come they do   not want to touch anything with that name on it 
because the first thing they go and do is look   and see who the previous contractor was yeah 
nobody else home Emerald Emerald Coast um they   they did the roof their their parent company 
was supposed to come give me an estimate and   he called and said he's sorry he couldn't come 
out he wasn't going to touch it but basically   I we can't get anybody to come look at it 
because of the name that's associated with it and it's cing inconveniences in other 
ways because it causes me inconveniences   with work because I have nowhere 
to store my work clad so they're   like you know folded up in boxes and 
stuff I'm having to get off work early   to come to these hearings so you know 
is causing me an inconvenience in that area board members I'm bringing up the 
photos that were attached to the agenda   just to give you an idea of the current 
conditions that's what the addition like I've started trying to 
take down some of the stuff but I can't work that much during the day when   there's light because I'm 
having because she has to sleep JY in a situation like this is this 
something where we would use a County   resource to go out and make an evaluation 
or have you ever had an instance like this no we have not I will said the last meeting 
that someone come out and take pictures but I   don't you provided the pictures yeah so he 
didn't come out but you were supposed to   send someone that would estimate we don't 
provide estimates um like that I mean we   can do something as a courtesy to deem whether 
it's safe or unsafe they they asked for it for   them not for me I understand what you're saying 
um we we we requested pictures pictures were   provided we did not send an employee out to make a 
determination on what percentage of work was done   we don't know there's no way for our staff to 
get into that contract and make a determination   on what percentage is complete it's 
not objective it's subjective correct correct in this picture you can see that they 
replaced the part of the ceiling above the   shower but they put up the wrong kind of ceiling 
for because it's not waterproof um and you don't   have to tell what appr proof well it's with that 
bathroom you don't you don't have to have I had   a mold problem to begin with with it's it's just 
not code that you have it's not code but I wanted   the uh the antibacterial the green I understand 
that so if you go back to the previous picture if   you see the light not no the bathroom go back up 
go back up so if you see in the very back there's   a light that his dad installed apparently he laid 
what was it the the power it's one of those uh LED   lights with a separate power source he didn't 
put it up on the beam like it's supposed to be   and that's what the black spot is next to the 
light because there's a hot spot so that's G to   have to be replaced and that light is already 
burned out so there's all kinds of work that   I have to do still on either side where there's 
there was a wall see wood there was stuff there   but on this side of it there's electrical um 
that his dad worked on and replaced not very well um you're you're talking about 
the contractor's father Yes okay my   dad's passed I'm sorry yeah sorry um 
so yeah and that that whole closet   area right there that part was supposed 
to be knocked out um and it's not knocked out that still part that's where the vanity is 
and so that wall on that side where the door   frame is All That was supposed to be knocked out 
so we could get a big bigger vanity and expand that that is our current bedroom which once the   addition was finished that was 
supposed to be two big closets so same photo just a little lighter do you 
guys have drawings done for this hm did you   have drawings done for this he had was supposed 
to he did a uh did a plan um the person that   did the plans did not come out and look at what 
was being done they have uh the plans have a uh   door double door going out of the addition 
and we didn't want doors going out we just   wanted windows but they didn't pour any kind of 
uh threshold outside of it the people doing the   framing were just following the picture they did 
not follow the supplemental instructions that they   were given two days before they ran the roof all 
the way to the peak of the old roof where it was   only supposed to go uh halfway up to match the 
roof line of the sun room Edition that sticks   out next to it in the one picture where you see 
a sliding door that is the sun room that it goes into that is some of the work in the living room that is work in the kitchen 
no that's the living room and oh   yeah that's the living room and I am going 
to have to repaint part of that wall now because okay that's the $1,400 beam that he had 
to put in cu the roof started sagging the ceiling   started sagging down which the beam itself is 
starting to come apart from the ceiling so that's   the living room that's the flooring that's sitting 
in my living room that's taking up a bunch of space this is the wall going to the 
sun room that's the sliding door that   was supposed to come out there's a window 
and a sliding door that all have to come out that's the whole picture of the sliding glass 
door in the window that was supposed to come out the plywood standing up against 
the wall is where the window was in   the bedroom that will be eventually 
hopefully a doorway coming out but he had to put thatw up to keep the the light out I have been trying to take down the brick um price is probably you you asked about what 
it's going to cost um the for the electrical   is probably going to run up into the 2000s at 
least because I'm probably going to have to   run a 220 line out to the room because I plan 
on putting separate AC's wall units out there   was this all in your contract originally uh 
originally I'd asked for that but he didn't   put it in that so yeah we we're just going to 
have to stay in the confines of what we've what   your contract is that's what I'm leading into here 
we I understand you may have to eventually but we   have to we have to look at what the contract 
was what the actual is well okay on the room   all he did all he put was complete room with 
drywall and paint and new flooring right um the   plans have electrical and everything else in 
them is there any more pictures Miss Jennifer just okay and also in order to add this addition on we 
had to take down our our permanent fence and   put up a temporary fence that is not very I've 
got people walking into the backyard basically   and with that you know temporary fence they 
can get into that room they could get into   the house through the sliding glass door so 
it's not very uh safe right now that fence   being so your request from the board today is 
what dollar amount are you seeking for damages   to start if you can't come up with a for the 
room being completed and stuff I need the 14   for the roof and the 11 excuse me for the uh pain 
the Lum company but it's not starting whatever   judgment we give whatever we decide on will be 
final so the total act paid in the 83 minus what   can go down a little bit minus the uh items on 
a through H so it' be 68 is what I'm looking for and we can have them come back with more 
information as well which we're probably going   to have to listen listen to the contractor okay 
any other questions he may be able to give you   a [Music] better or more accurate for the items 
because I had to estimate them because he wouldn't   tell me what he did for this and for the concrete 
for example I put 73 because that's what I got as   an estimate for somebody to pour in a slab because 
I'm putting a slab on the other side for a patio   and when that guy was there I asked him how much 
would you have charged me to do this slab on this   side and he just threw me a number of 73 and 
we really couldn't trust anything from him on   he said he spent on this or that because he 
never would um give us receipts or copies   of receipts and that was a never ending battle 
with him because I constantly texted and asked   for that even when he asked for more money I 
was like well I want to see what you've spent   so far and what you spend it on because 
what you're saying you need more money   for this and everything you've already gotten 
you know the 68 originally and you did not do   enough work or spend enough to account for 
8,000 then another 15 on top of that I'm sorry and I just don't think um I don't have 
very much respect for him because of just   taking the money and leaving and I'm not trying 
to play the syty vote but taking it from someone   who has cancer and is having to battle that 
and knowing there's going to be cost to that   and then he just up and takes off with the money 
and doesn't finish the job that is just to me is   a very despicable human being and just don't have 
any respect for the man and they they always tell   you that dogs are good judging people well I 
should have listened to my three dogs because   neither none of them liked him thank you so just 
to add some more information and hopefully have   the board be able to understand where this 
project was at I pulled up the permitting   records you'll see it up there on the screen 
there were some inspections performed on this   addition um our inspector went out in June 
of last year for the strap and nail so it did   have the footing inspection it did have those 
Foundation items and all the way to the strap   and nail the next inspection would have been a 
framing and then a final so that can give you   kind of a timeline or an approximation of where 
the additions stood um so all the work up towards   that has been inspected it appears up towards 
according to the records right right okay Mr Hunter so Let's see we I'm G to have to go back 
and forth I'm sorry guys um line item one on my   estimate was to build the addition Outback 
which was priced at $74,000 um the second   item was replace the fireplace to open the wall 
that was completed the third item was to build   the two closets in their current bedroom which 
was discussed to be done after the addition was   done so they could move everything out um open 
the kitchen wall that was done installed the lvp   throughout the FL uh throughout the house they 
were allotted $2 a square foot to buy materials   the materials actually came in at $289 a square 
foot um that was done all the way up to like he   said the master bath or bedroom sorry was not 
complet sleep because they're still living in   there and then as the picture showed the one 
bedroom in the in the back hallway you just   couldn't get in there there was just too much 
stuff so that was going to be done you know at   a later time as well um let's see go back um we 
removed the closet in the hallway and then we   installed the beams in the living room you know 
she said last meeting that she thought the job   was at 70 to 75% on video is what she said now 
they're saying 40 40% so I don't I don't really   know where to stand I said it was probably 
around 80% done with everything and you know   I think she counted with 75 so now they're saying 
40 can I just stop you for a second you're saying   you think it's 80% finished right and last last 
meeting she said 75 so now I'm not talking about   her I say 80 yeah 80 yeah so the pictures we just 
saw is that the condition it's in right now yeah   it needs four windows in the addition and then 
the side all the sheet rock yeah a little bit   of insulation drial yeah so the entire job 
from start and you think it's 80% finished   the entire job not just the addition itself but 
the the scope of the the whole contract yes he   said previously 75% I'm looking at 75 yeah 
I'm just from what pictures we saw today I   think Mr Irwin's been in remodeling building as 
long as I am but I don't see 80% anywhere close and any part of the addition done just a framing just the framing is done on the addition 
addition was 74,000 yeah and that was 74,000 right so 74,000 to frame it complete the room   with drywall paint and new flooring 
and all that's done is the framing correct and of of that scope just 
that one line you're saying 80% no   I was talking about the entire job with the 
beams and the rest of the floor being done   and the walls being taken out of the 
house the fireplace being removed okay so on the line item we just say line item one 
just for reference here building the 25 by 16   74,000 and then obviously that's only framed up 
correct that's yep slab and and frame done yeah   does it have a shingle roof on it is metal 
so it's all dried in correct and then the   remove fireplace has been completed or not correct 
that's been completed yes sir the walk-in closets   that's not completed that's where they're staying 
at now so no sir I'm asking you I'm not yeah no   not complet that's that's the room they're in 
now so those closets haven't been built yeah   okay and then the open the kitchen wall done not 
done and obviously lvp's not been installed and   then removing the two walls been installed and 
everything except for those back rooms the lvp   it's installed throughout the other part of the 
house correct okay so uh remove the two walls   uh one's been removed one's still standing 
and of course it's not repaired we saw the   pictures of that so it's not and then the 
closet in the hallway it's not done removed   it's been taken out yes sir seem like way less 
than 80% and then the beans in the living room   the last one's also done so do you have a 
breakdown of the money that was provided   to you and what it went towards not on not on 
this phone but you would be able to get that yes then you didn't hire any subs to do this 
this was just you doing the work yourself   no I hired Subs you had Subs yeah so you'd 
have documentation showing what you've paid   your subs for the percentage of completion 
that they did yeah is there any electrical   and plumbing permits attached to this no 
so any electrical work has been done has   been unpermitted um from this project you 
see it's here um this is where Mr Hunter   pulled his permit there was a roofing permit 
obtained there have been no other permits obtained Mr Hunter this is not the first time 
we've ran into this with you on the electrical right I don't know if you're not getting 
the message or if you don't give her fill   in the blank but it matters to us that we 
have unlicensed contractor activity going   on out here right that's what we're here for to 
protect the citizens right uh I I want to think   better of you but you're letting us know that 
you really don't pay much attention to us yes sir which is very I think I could speak for most 
of the board and say that's pretty uh   challenging for us to see somebody 
who blatantly walks in and just says don't care what y'all think there's a lot 
of other words come my mind from a construction   job site and I'm not going to say them right 
you understand what I'm saying here yes sir I don't know if you totally got this or not   but but you dug yourself into a 
pretty deep spot here yeah I get it Jennifer so the owners 
asking for 68,4 3774 is that correct yes ma'am in the living room excuse me 
I'm sorry I thought you was Miss Jennifer give   me just a second I'm sorry I'm sorry I apologize I 
thought you was Miss Jennifer talking that's what   I was in the same dialogue okay question just 
just because we've got newer board members how   many times has Mr Hunter been here um so we've had 
a couple of complaints this this set of hearings   these two complaints have run concurrent 
prior to that they there was a prior one   that was dismissed um Mr Hunter worked to make 
it right on that prior one um so I just to remind   the board at our last hearing Mr Hunter was 
found in violation of several things and in   the board took a rather strong stance in the 
disciplinary action and also directed um the   building official to be monitoring whatever active 
permits are under the license right so that's   Mr Hunter at that time told the board that 
he was not going to continue Contracting he   was going to finish up these projects and and 
basically he was taking everything in active   he's not going to be doing this anymore I 
I think he might even have mentioned that   he was going to be working for someone 
else um so that's where it stands now um and to interject really quickly on the 
numbers um the numbers are different in   both places so I just want to have 
some clarification on that to make   sure we're getting the correct number 
um while it is a small differential   it's still a differential so on item one 
stated in the prior page it's $ 63,360 56 which would bring it to 91690 74 which 
would thereby bring the total to 68240 and.   74 cents so just to make that clarification 
is which numbers are correct there was a corrected right I believe um Mr 
hedenberg mentioned that he had   a typo here um item one uh was 68,000 
and3 but the typo here is 63,000 flat   so the the difference there is $5,000 
and3 the other one as well miss Luna noted so then this page here that you're 
showing is correct with the numbers that's   the testimony that was provided by 
Mr hedenberg is the actual complete   write out not the summarization 
the write out was correct okay any other questions for Mr Hunter thank you Mr Mr hedenberg did 
you want to address the board again   I did can you come the mic 
please do have to I can hear it so on the vinyl plank flooring that was 
installed in the living room and part into   the kitchen um they original flooring that was in 
the kitchen um was lenium so and it has something   else over it but it was lower than the original 
flooring in the living room so in order to build   that up he was going to put um plywood underneath 
to make it level well after it was done we told   him that it had like a spongy feel when you walked 
from one room to the other and he said that would   resolve itself in a couple of months um we're 
going to have to replace that flooring actually   because this has not resolved it's still spongy 
when you walk from one room to the other and it   actually has a small crack it's cracking where 
the walls were taken out um they put in plywood   because the kitchen had lenium originally and 
then she put my mom put tile over it so it had   ceramic tile on top but it was still lower than 
what was in the living room the wall was the 2x4   he replace that with plywood but when the guys 
put put it in they didn't fill it all the way   to the gaps in other words they just cut a piece 
and set it in there figuring that the flooring   would level itself but with lvp it it dishes 
it's soft it it will go to weight so if you   put anything heavy on it it goes through I have 
a roll cart in there right now and one of the   wheels has cracked through the floor because of 
that space where the plywood is where where you   saw the Beam run that was where that one post is 
that was where the fireplace was when they built   the house they sloped it for some reason right 
there it's dished and the plywood that they put   in was not thick enough so when you walk across 
the floor they didn't use enough glue either when   you walk across it it flexes on you so there's a 
lot of things that about the flooring that's down   that's going to have to be repaired still is what 
she's trying to make the point of okay thank you guys do we have a new number Miss Jennifer that   um based on item number one 
supposed to be 68 etc etc I know I just I wanted we I think the board feel 
you know we want to come to a resolution but   we want to do what's right so of correct 
and then are we adding the 4,000 with the fouring I think the flooring is included isn't 
it right but it's deducted from the total so just   from the testimony that was just given is that 
something then we need to but they do have the   to come back if the like they thinking it 
needs to be replaced I don't think there's   an absolute yet I think they do have the 
ability to come back and and I read on the   contract it also said that it was going to 
be laid over existing it did say that so I   don't know that we can so chairman if I take 
the discrepancies from the first page to the   second page and add them to what he was 
asking for that total number is $73,345 % I'm going by these two pages right right 
that's so that's that's the number that I   have calculated that's adding the 5,000 
the 5,13 that were discrepancies between   the two pages excuse me a second so 
that's the difference now would be   73 24074 that's correct okay I see my only 
map there is on item one that she pointed   out there's 5,000 short correct that's what 
we just corrected there's it was $53 short   and then on item four um it's $100 short we 
just corrected that to be 73 24074 here you   have 7546 here you have 7446 okay sorry yes 
sir yes sir we want to make sure it's right okay any other questions from the 
board discussion before we go I   if not we'll take a motion the 
amount ask at this point is 73 24074 have a motion from anyone I personally speaking I just don't think we have 
enough here to for me to make a motion um again   I feel comfortable with contractors coming in here 
and contradicting each other versus a non-contract   and a contractor even though the contractor you 
know clearly is defaulted uh it's hard for me   to determine that you know it could be more than 
68 it could be less than 68 but we we don't have   anybody professional and they're having a hard 
time getting contractors to come and so that   kind of part concerns me also that they don't 
have anybody that's going to be able to go into   it but then how are you going to finish the job 
and number two you did say you're going to go to   civil if you go to civil they're going to require 
all this you know they're just not going to go to   court and determine you know based on you know 
proper evidence being provided whether they can   put a judgment against the contractor whoever that 
may be so if that's the direction you're going   that's still going to be needed in the long run 
and I just think for it may be arbitrary for us   to just say okay you know we're going to go ahead 
and award $73,000 in Damages I would rather feel   comfortable to again push yourself another to 
our next meeting if the board is agreeing with   me till we get you know maybe just try hard 
and get some contractor to come in in write   up a bit uh they don't necessarily have to do 
the work but it's just a matter of getting them   to put a bit together to look and see what 
the remaining scope of work is and what that   cost is going to be okay so I'll close 
with there do that you can't you can't   Mr hedenberg you can't just respond from 
the floor sorry any other discussion and   we will allow you to speak again but we have 
to maintain it um any other discussion from up here anybody's feeling that thoughts from others that we 
need some more info from another   yeah I mean at this point if we 
if we award them the 73 it's like   a full refund of the entire project 
and that's not that we can't do that either we yeah yeah I don't know that I could say 
80% % of the contract amount is done maybe 80% of   the items that were listed but that number 
one item is the big right ticket item and   so you know it's 80% of the items versus 
8% of the money right but even at% 9 uh 4150 you know half of that's 40 something you know 
what I'm saying so it there's a discrepancy still   in in I understand but to me it's almost semantics 
at this point of what what is being said because I   understand with this contract but the bulk of the 
money is in that one line item so at this point at   most 45% of the work has been done at most think 
let me ask legal this question and our job here   is to determine the damages that have been caused 
by the contractor and not what it takes to finish   the job because I if they don't have a contract 
and if there's not a supplement line item in that   contract that states that if you default you know 
you will pay whatever supplement there is when I   hire another contractor we don't have that here 
uh so that it's kind of difficult for to make   that decision until we get a GC or somebody to 
come in there and provide us a competitive bit to   say here's what it's going to cost to complete 
it then we can take the amount that's already   been paid and we have a little deduction in 
there that we can see has he been overpaid   or you know again correct that's one of the 
fundamental aspects of contract laws putting the   person in the place where they would be had the 
contract been fulfilled and bridging that Delta   there and ascertaining those numbers would have 
to be proven right and we can as a board after at   that time determine whether or not to ask for more 
based on what the uh dollar value is to complete   that job because then you know due to delays 
or due to like them saying having a hard time   finding a contractor there may be a reason that's 
why they're charging a little higher because they   don't know what percentage of work the percentage 
of work that's completed whether it's a default   in there they'll find something wrong in there so 
there may be a contingency in there that we can allow I could see that yes and I will say 
historically this board has awarded restitution   for current issues so say a subcontractor was 
not not paid and the homeowner paid it um on   previous cases that has been the case with the 
caveat that should you incur any further damages   please bring it back to the board I know that 
it's hard to predict future damages and I think   that's what this request is is asking for um 
but I know that historically this board has   has done what I I stated you've looked at what 
you had what has already been expended out of   pocket by the complainant and then included the 
caveat to come back should you incur anything further thank you for going next I 
was any those same lines myself of   the roofing that's been paid according to this 
is 12,546 56 yes sir those two uh items three   and four um would be was was the roof and I 
and I say I said all that because I know that   we do have some newer board members that maybe 
don't know the full history of what this board   has done right right so we know we paid that and 
then the tibits lumber that's correct that was it   more than just 1100 1113 that they've already 
paid from the statement that's on here um I I   believe that's what he paid to titim somewh so 
those are the two absolutes that has been out of   pocket money and then he also items six seven 
and eight um that's all of his demand letter   mailings things like that right right right yeah 
Mr um hedenberg I'd have to ask you again please   don't just approach the please don't approach 
the stand until we ask our okay thank you uh 1,139 right that was the tibit L yes it's on 
your screen as item five plus the 558 1453   and 968 that's the out of pocket that we have 
accounting for is that correct that Pro that was   provided by Mr hedenberg right that's what I just 
want to verify that what does that total come to that comes up to be a total of 13, 6877 four if 
I have my math if my calculator worked right can   we ask is that number right do what sir can we 
find out if that number is right Mr hedenberg   the the board is asking if those numbers and 
items three through eight are accurate numbers   yes she receipts right yes right it's in the 
list here to verify that is the amount yes sir   it is part of this whole documentation MH yes 
it's been included in evidence today yes sir so   again I'm going ask legal so if we were to make 
a decision today for restitution in the amount   of the 13,000 and then ask them to come back if 
there are any more damages you know whether they   bring the paperwork or another subcontractor's you 
know backup document or another contractor then we   can relook at this on the dollar value I don't 
see why the board couldn't do that they have the   ability to make a decision now on some certain 
amount and then ask the the person to come back   with any other amounts that they can prove 
uh as those become available more evidence   yeah I'll ask the board if they feel comfortable 
with that I mean 1,000 we're not prolonging it   and you know then it's up to them to bring 
back more evidence to us in order to do it   and I think Justa the motion y i' I'll I'll make 
a motion for restitution in the amount of 13, 6877 and if there's any additional 
damages uh that they foresee or they   come across bring back evidence so they 
can show it to us and we can relook at   it I'll second second okay we have a 
motion a second any other discussion all in favor raise your right hand 
I'll oppose same sign seeing none   hear none motion is approved for 
restitution of $3,687 74 with the   ability for the owner to come back in the 
future with such evidence for it to be adjusted all right that concludes our agenda items for today thank 
you everyone for that short meeting there are   some snacks in the back if you didn't get 
any during the break time meeting journ