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meeting is called to order scami County compy Board board April 2 2025 uh Madam Secretary we have our rules today to review and yes sir um please silence all cell phones if you wish to speak please let the board secretary know in advance otherwise raise your hand for the board chair to recognize your request when the chairman calls you to speak come to the podium adjust the microphone and state your name and address for the record you are requested to keep your remarks brief factual both parties of an issue will be
granted uniform maximum time to speak usually runs between 3 to 5 minutes this hearing is considered quasi judicial conduct is formal and profane or derogatory comments will not be tolerated thank you do we have a determination of Quorum this morning yes sir Mr chairman with eight members present we do Mr Patel is the only member absent thank you do we have proof of publication of the meeting yes sir Mr chairman it was published March 27th 2025 in the Pensacola News
Journal thank you I need a motion for the approval of minutes for the previous meeting of March 5 a motion for the approval second second I have a motion second all in favor raise your right hand I'll oppose same sign see none hear none motion is approved do we have anyone for public forum this morning signed up I did not receive any speaker request forms you might want to pull the audience and see if anybody's here for public forum um but I believe everybody here is probably for an agenda
item okay is there anyone here for the public forum today if not we will move quickly forward uh Madam Secretary do you have a report for us for status today nothing today sir nothing today all right contractor applications we will move to that segment good morning board good morning yes indeed um the first application coming before you today is Mr Albert swatz um Mr Albert swatz
uh please come to the podium state your name and address for the record available we did receive communication that he might not be present today I offered the ability to call in and did not receive a response um you may notice that this name has been before you before this is for a second review of his application for examination he was previously approved to take the examination however after that time we were contacted by the local field office for the Department of Business
and Professional Regulation they were curious if this person was licensed here and when we told them no that they had been approved to exam they provided us with some additional information which you would find in your backup um it's up to the board on how they want to proceed with this application he was previously approved has anyone had a chance to look at the background research part of this can you pull it up on your screen for us so that yes sir if they have not
they can look at this there was some surprises I guess it was not revealed to us that's correct so in his application he did not disclose any um background history or issues within those um qu within the questionnaire uh dbpr provided us with this documentation or some of this documentation and then we were able to obtain some further documentation from the New Jersey Court um there is a news article in here and it does pertain to a situation with Contracting and
payments to workers and things like that um so all of the backup documentation is within this and um go ahhe the the latest U record of this was what date again the I know there was several of them in there but it was 2024 right that is correct from what we can tell um this news article came out in 2019 right um and within the article it talks about how he was sentenced to three years
I believe Nick can speak further to that um so that would have depending on when he went in that would have pushed it out to 2022 23 of of when he possibly would have gotten out however we have an affidavit from a contractor saying that he was working for during that time I was hoping that the applicant would be here to be able to explain some of this if it's unexplainable it might be one um so when a
contractor the the signing of the back of this this is Page Six I guess of the form on his application sir application form when they sign this and it's notorized what kind of culpability is there on somebody who falsifies information I mean this how can you be incarcerated and working uh unless it's work release I
guess so legal can you help me I was Miss Christie I looked your way um well it's what this is in what state so the the conviction or whatever was in New Jersey yeah so working yeah it's it's that was something where he would certainly have to tell you um because I don't know I don't know
how he could it doesn't make sense as you pointed out and you have the ability to weigh what what's before you um and you should have the ability to ask him now a notorized statement doesn't mean that the facts in it are true it means that he swears that the facts are true but it doesn't um show that whoever I mean the the contractor swears that the facts are true but it doesn't um it doesn't settle the the matter for you because you would still need to be able to ask whoever
wrote the letter whoever it's just the not it's just a notary the notary is just saying I swore them in and he this so they have but he's swearing into that these statements are true right is that correct and if he states that they're true but they're not true guess the question is I'm not trying to nail an individual down I'm just looking at all these applications that come in if people keep doing this how can we how can we verify and trust and etc etc that well that's what
we've started working on on these applications is looking for more um you know this one was easier because the name was so unique right um but seeing what we can what I know that they've been working on seeing what is out there easily available and and Google and at least in the for for um in the the local districts around us the local licensing districts and I believe that they can answer more to that with how they're trying to look deeper into what what's out there now because there is more information available to make it easier for us to cross check it and it also helps when it's
a local if if you've got somebody who's vouching for them that's a local um contractor that's going to help you because you're you know these people um and if we need to ask the contractor is this legit did you really write this that's certainly available as an option for It's going to be more complicated when it's people that aren't from the area as a part of housekeeping and maybe just general information as well if one of our board members sees names that they recognize as supervisors or Builders do we have uh the ability to contact them to verifying this ourselves as a
board to answer our questions or is that something Beyond I wouldn't recommend that um I what I would do is recommending contacting Jennifer gotcha gotcha okay or and having them um just say hey you know just a thought came my mind this person a call you know you know this you know it's or if you just give them the blanket it's okay to call these people and and verify the statements that are within it you don't have to say I know this person or anything like that you can say hey just call if you want them as part of their background they can call these contractors that are writing
the letters for them or saying they worked for me and get further information now if the person doesn't call them back or you know they can come to you and say I never heard back from them but I did call him and he said yeah he did work there you know those are options that are available I don't know if you're already doing that uh we have that ability yes ma'am I mean it's still I think this it's still fair to trust most individuals oh yes it is yeah we don't want to just thank you Mrs Reagan but as far as if they're putting false information in there it is a it is
it is a crime if it's false information and and it's sworn to it is perjury um but it's a second degree misdemeanor is not yeah the thing ours is just the more of the trust Factor if we get these in so I thank youall for doing deep dive research then because obviously we've and we're were I don't know what happened but I think we were working on trying to get them better information better um um um criminal background information but I don't know how that
so we did reach out to um the state to attempt to obtain access to certain information um the information would come from the local like state level and federal level um I did receive a response back and and there might be some other things that we have to go through to be able to obtain that um we're in we're in the process of doing that until then we are doing everything we can sure yeah I'm thankful for what you guys are doing I'm just it just kind
of makes us stop pause for a minute so with the information that we now have in front of us this investigator I can tell you um he falsified his application I don't think we should go any further that's my recommendation I'll second that and we have so first of all we need to put it in form of a motion then I make a motion that we don't move forward with this application it it stops
where it's at so we do not approve yes sir the motion been made to not approve can I slow you can slow us down so he was previously approved and so your motion would have to be included withdraw the previous approval and then and not approve him going forward you just withdraw his previous approval basically okay I make a motion to withdraw the previous approval and not approve make a motion to not approve all right and we have a second M mayor yes a second okay any
other discussion do we need to say and not approve going forward or just no no I mean he could always come forward and clean this all up for you okay but you can just leave it as it as today not allowing it yeah sorry about that I know that that's good good question thanks Melanie thanks thanks Mr Luna for picking up on that okay any other discussion if not all in favor raise your right hand I'll oppose same sign seeing none hear none motion is [Music]
approved good morning board members our next applicant is Miss Kiana Williamson uh Miss Williamson if you will please come to the podium state your name and address for the record please Williamson um I have two 4100 East 106 Street Cleveland Ohio 44105 as well as 3501 Bas Water Drive pacol Florida 32514 so uh board members Miss Williamson appears before you today
requesting to take the residential contractor examination should us appear before you um with exactly four years of experience having obtained her contractor's license in Cleveland Ohio March the 17th 2021 this was verified by phone call to the city of Cleveland uh and you will also find four years of her lure attached to this as well um in light of what we were just discussing doing further research and digging um it was found that there is a civil suit against Diva Builders IC it was filed on August 9th 2024 by plaintiff Gulf Coast living LLC the suit
is currently still open uh copies of those Court doents are available for your reference as well to take into consideration staff's recommendation is to defer to the board for decision um can we have those pulled up on the screen for us here the background research
make sure you guys anybody had a chance to look at these and wants to look over these I have a question yeah before we I'm sorry M would you like to explain anything to us before we before we dig in I should give you a chance first I apologize no problem no worries thank you Mr Mayor um there was a complaint um the complaint has been put on hold I was doing some subw work some painting and flooring for another company as Restorations and uh designs
uh she vacated the project um early on um Mr berdick which is Golf Coast livings uh owner contacted me and asked me if I could just finish my part and I said yes um I guess him and Ashley got into some situation where he couldn't find her I have insurance I presented him with my Insurance before I started to do the small part of the job that I had to do I'm guessing that he think that me and her are a pair Miss Williamson I'm sorry to interrupt can you please just move
the microphone up a little bit you're very softspoken and one more thing we can't catch the name that you're saying you're saying Ashley Ashley restoration and design is the contractor that I was contracted to do work on this design I mean on this project uh with um so he has my insurance he has my license insurance this and that so so I guess in an attempt to get in contact with her he put the the suit on me um and they're sorting through that as we speak did you have a permit on that job no what I did was what I'm allowed to do within the city of
Escambia right now um which was painting and and taking out some floors for that project that's it no no no structural permanent work no absolutely not sir got youa gotcha Miss Mary sorry I was wanted to give her a chance to so in reading through all these documents so is if if I as I was reading this last night is are they suing you for the whole thing the whole
project no no um the attorneys as well as I forget the lady's name I want to say her name is Annie at the dbpr have come together and realized that this is not of my fault um that the other young lady um didn't provide the homeowner with any insurance any licensing any anything and they're trying to contact her as far as I know they've narrowed it down to North Carolina um so I'm not sure what will happen once they figure that out but initially the only information that he had to
put in his suit was my information that I gave to him I ensure all of my projects I don't care if I'm just demoing I get a bond of insurance which I had for this project I can actually actually show it to you all I think I have it in my phone um and that's where he went to get the suit um so it's just a matter of sorting things out um I welcome all adversity I'm upstanding and I've been in contact um I'm willing to follow through through the entire entire process I might also add that I've been doing this work for almost 20 years uh my anniversary was yesterday uh of my company
for 18 years and I've not had a civil suit in 18 years until this working for someone else which is the reason why it's so imperative for me to come before you to ask for the uh competency card so that I can handle my business professionally without having to depend on contractors or for subcontractors or whatever um and find myself in these type of situations moving forward my next question is for staff yes ma'am um one can we see a copy of her insurance and two did
you call the dbpr to verify any of this information by chance so we didn't know that the dbpr was involved in this part all we had was the uh civil case we didn't know that dbpr was part of it um we can reach out to dbpr on that if you would like um can we pull M yes Miss muray in regard to the insurance typically that's something we would require after examination so I we have not seen that as of yet we'll be happy to request that though thank
you um so Miss Williamson yes in these questions is there a reason you didn't disclose this that it was something that was going on I didn't know about it I literally just got an email about it and I can prove that as well like two weeks ago okay after this after you had already applied yes ma'am okay oh yes you you applied back in December yes ma'am MH so you told us you just done painting and flooring is that what you told us yes and they have here
for 129,000 something that is what what the other contract yes that's what the other contractor was under contract for him to do she asked me if I can paint I had painted for her before on other projects right um that is what I specialize in um doing personally myself is uh like customized finishing maybe a accent wall or something like that um so the whole contract to my understanding was for that amount I reive like $6,000 to paint so you did not because on here it says the defend
Diva Builders I'm on page two exhibit A10 uh defendant is is not qualified by Contractor License to perform construction work and then the next line number 11 PL if paid defendants 24,90 in accordance with the contract did you have a contract with no I didn't and it says a copy of payment records for the payments made to defendant is attached as exhibit B mhm so I guess what I'm saying is they're they're saying
something different than what uh you're saying cuz they have this independent contractor where it has Gul Coast living and Diva Builders it should be as restoration and design so I'm not sure who Mr berdick is I met him through Ashley like I stated your name is signed on it 7 117 of 2024
I didn't come I'm sorry go ahead I'm just saying your name is on the contract that has you listed this is exhibit a uh you're listed under an independent contractor agreement Gul Coast living and Diva Builders is listed both and then at the bottom of it there's two signatures Lee berdick would be Gul coast and then your it may be a computer signature but it's a signature there uh that's on page 12 then exhibit B
shows all this money coming out it says it's got your name listed on some of them here that I can easily see um here's a $10,000 one there's a $5,000 one here's another $5,000 here's a $115,000 made to Diva build all these shown made to Diva Builders according to their things $2,000
are you aware of all this no absolutely not to my so they're showing that they they have record here here's another 2,000 I'm just scrolling down through this this is under this is from Bank of America trans complaint the the complaint against D.A build it's way down near the the bottom like exhibit a and exhibit B page 10 page 10 starts it I'm sorry and
then from there down so and there are copies of the receipts as well from Bank of America transaction yeah if you go next you see right there $5,000 you see on the screen there they're showing 5,000 if you scroll the next one that's $10,000 so there's 15,000 and if you keep going there's another five that's 20,000 you see I'm saying and there's another 15 that's 35 so I don't I don't just trust you but on this they've got you
tied in I don't know if you even realize it or not but so we had I had hired a private investigator good faith investigations because I never received any of these payments so even the account number that was online listed was supposed to be my account number was not my account number um it was on I believe trillis or tr.com not my account number at all so what happened was once this came through and I want to add that I have documentation that I didn't even meet this man to
signed that contract and I met him on I want to say like maybe around the 3D of February so when I seen these documentations in the complaint and the email that was sent to me I immediately got my attorney involved and got a private investigator involved because I never received These funds and even though it says Diva Builders LLC with my bank accounts with my business bank accounts and I have four one will Well Fargo one with truis one with Navy Federal and one with uh Bank of America my own Bank of America account um they have to CC me
in the job name I make that a requirement for my records um to keep everything in order none of that is on these transactions so my investigators have been doing a lot of research to figure this out however it has come to light that this Ashley person was fraudulently taking work from other people not me I can prove that to the board as well I have all the documentation one of the things that I I I've experienced is when you go to the bank to make these wire
transfers these these descriptions you can put whatever you want in those descriptions so it's not necess just they put whatever name and her contract was computer signed as well it appears to be on page 11 uh excuse me page 12 so you know somebody could have signed for you there's there's there's a lot of questions here that we don't we can't fill the blanks with right um can I may I interrupt may I make a suggestion yes please can we put this off until the next meeting I was
just thinking that okay we want to give you time first of all we are proud for people to become a licensed and and you know do this so so we want you to be able to get there but we also want to make sure that this gets resolved out and you can understand that yes uh and I think maybe by the a month from now I I have a feeling you'll have a better grip on this too with we're trying but civil suits are I've seen them go on for years that's true we're trying but at least
like dbpr their research they can you know sign off that you've cleared and you'll be able to get receipts from the bank to see if that deposit was CU they're showing them on some of them they show it went to an account with your name on it but you know it depends on the because like I say I did receive some monies from him but it was nowhere near $124,000 it was like 6,000 right paint a shed in the backyard move some debris paint the interior and do some stuff to the floor like
repairs that's it it was nowhere near the amount of I was thinking you a pretty expensive painter for 124,000 exactly I wish yeah sincerely though I think that uh M Christie has a good I want you to understand where we're coming from this is this is just because of what we have in front of us we'd like to see that okay you know something positive in that before we go forward okay any discussion here from the board anybody like to ask M Williamson anything I I don't want to ask I just
want to I guess make a suggestion or maybe I'm not allowed to I don't know um Christy will correct me um would it be possible for her to have the ability ility to get the I guess whatever investigation paperwork that she has and anything from her attorney to show that this is this is their response and the rebuttal to everything and put that together so that they can prove kind of their innocence in this so that we've at least shown some of our
due diligence that she's you know doing what she needs to to try to take care of this because it seems like she might very well be wrapped up in something that it's not necessarily her fault right an extension would give her that opportunity to get that information um and she would just need to go through the same process as of turning it over to Nick and he would include it as the background and get before the board and the next time you hear this so I have a question Mr Christie should we approach this as uh just to hold this or to to
let her come back in a another time what you know to deny for her to resubmit or just well you just you're just you don't have enough information to make a decision at this time based on your questions and so I don't think she would have to resubmit she could just add the documentation it could come back before the board in our meeting so we just defer it today we just defer it okay yes sir yes sir okay so I'll entertain a motion from anybody to whatever they would like to have uh I make a motion to continue this to the next meeting I'll
second that you have a motion to Second for continuance any discussion all in favor raise your right hand I'll oppose same sign seeing none hear none motion is approved so 30 days from now yes ma'am they will stay in touch with you and try to get more documentation basically we just want to see the direction this thing's going okay that's the main thing this is not a this is a let's get some more information okay thank you Williamson that next meeting
is May 7th it's the first Wednesday of the month so it'll be May 7th all right thank you uh board members our next applicant to appear before you is Mr Alfred chard III Mr chard if you would please come to the podium state your name and address for the record Alfred shanard 917 East me Street Pensacola Florida 32503 uh Mr chard appears before you today requesting to take the residential contractor's examination he currently has two years 3 months
and 25 days of experience in the field as a foreman under Highpoint dbr LLC he also appears before you with an associates degree associate and science degree in architectural design and construction technology uh you will find that uh attached on or you'll find the transcript attached to the attachment for the application um Mr chard did disclose by answering yes to one of our financial criminal history questions um and he did provide all corresponding documentation to that answer um so because of this staff does defer to the board for
decision has everyone had an opportunity to read through any question would you like to say anything to us no sir I'm good thank you any questions from the board or anyone have a motion for us
tick tock tick tock yes sir can you speak to the mic please thank you are there any rules or or restrictions from us um providing you license with the charges that are made i m Christie sorry T So within our County
ordinance there is nothing that precludes um you for approving them to take an exam um with from any kind of background or any kind of yes answer to any of those questions um there is nothing in writing that says we would disqualify them if they did XYZ uh it's the board's discretion um could you tell us a little bit about your experience your work experience uh yes U started
November 2022 uh pretty much I love my job they've given me the ability to pretty much do anything in the field anything at the office um I've learned estimating scheduling pretty much everything the um this is just for an application this is just to allow him to take the test take the test that is correct he is requesting to take the examination and once you take the exam then you
become licensed and then you could you know pull permits ET but he would have to come back to ask for license no no no if he this is the this is the stop yeah okay excuse me that's that's good question boy not sure whether to even say anything about this or not the source of experience so I went ahead and looked up his case it looked like he did three years State Prison
and finished that he hasn't had I'm not finding anything to show that there's any additional I was just going to double check that um and so his case has been over for several years um and there was originally three charges I can see that the state attorney reduced it to two charges and he pleed he didn't go to trial so he resolved it that's all I can really tell you about that as far as the determination you know I think one of the things that you look for um when I look
at somebody's criminal history when we look at it from the legal standpoint is we're looking for dishonesty this is a different type um and you would also I think you're also looking for dishonesty in the record um you know did he admit it did he was he forward with it with you um and often what we would say did he take responsibility ility that type of thing and it looks like it worked out it was reset often but that that is not unusual criminal law um cases dockets pile up and I don't have any answers about that but we could certainly pull off more documents if you'd
like to review more on that case um my opinion is this happened in 2013 and there hasn't been any repeat right violations and if it was an issue then most likely would have a repeat violation and Nick 12 Years also Nick correct me if I'm wrong he got his degree in architecture after that time that is correct and he's been working with Mr Lavado since 2022 correct correct I make a motion to approve I'll second that sounds good any discussion from the
board all in favor raise your right hand [Laughter] it was good thank you appreciate it thank you all right all right um the next application to appear before you today is Miss ranada sweatz um Miss swatz please come to the podium state your name and address for the record hi uh my name is the address 5490 catola
Florida yes Miss SED zook is applying for the residential contractor application for examination and according to the information provided to us by Mrs swatz she worked 5 years 1 month and 14 days at Grand Builders LLC under the supervision of Anton Zen call her responsibilities include but are not limited to being the crew leader at Grand Builders l C and the contractor Adrian Mani at Grand Builders LLC with CBC license number 1261 1244 signed off on Mrs swick uh work experience
verification as well um miss sweatz my apologies application for examination was submitted later into the month of March and turns limited our time for more in-depth research on applicants experience in the trade and our team member Nick is going to go over those items for approval you know that was found during research on Mrs rata szu um so board members as Mr Mason was saying because of the time frame to publish the agenda we were not able to attach these uh to make sure the
agenda went out in time but I do have research and documents to provide to the board pending your approval to distribute those yes please distribute that would be great do we have one from M we need a we need a motion to add it to the agenda I make a motion to add to the agenda I have a second I'll second tag teaming all in favor raise your right hand all oppose same sign MO
were you also named in the case of your husband your husband is Albert yes were you named in that case as well uh no no no uh board members again we are limited essentially to searching names and addresses records as we can online these are the documents that I was able to locate um you will see a notice of list pendings um this is based out of Ocean County New Jersey notice that it is algra
homes LLC and then in subsection one to enforce construction lean claim file June 2nd of 2022 with the clerk of court through sui County in New York uh the next document you will see is also out of Ocean County this is for breach of contract um against rommes also listing miss chedwick the third document I was able to locate for you is a suit filed by Aurora Contractors
Incorporated um between themselves and algra Homes at LC where Miss rata is also listed uh we bring these before you to review and then to take into consideration for approval or denial of the application Mr now would you like to expound on any of these you you don't have to but you have the opportunity to it was my husband responsibility for all that he you know I was under the Allegro homes name for a couple years maybe two later was my husband was uh
so so I was good he did for what he did he he can be speak a little louder to the mic he he can be I know we separated he can be here today because he's very sick I he went for uh to my son uh for a visit for weekend and he um got some some infection also he has very bad heart heart disease so he can be here um I like to get my own uh you know to to to have opportunity to
own my own business under my name this time my husband is not going to be working with me like I said we separated now we thinking about the ver maybe if I got the license he can work for me maybe uh I come to Pensacola like uh over 10 years ago with my kids I have three boys um then I opened a company named raland I bought couple properties in Pensacola Milton
Peri um and if I got my license I can build houses on it to sell it uh right now I'm building my own house in perid DOI and like a home and I'm sorry for my accent when I'm nervous you know my English is I'm sorry I'm originally from Poland no no problem um yes so I have uh couple properties already bought under the name and um for couple years five years I work with
Adrian and Anton for their company construction company they spoke speak Polish too so it was even much easier for me and I was uh watching mostly the subcontractors watching their work uh which was supposed to be done on time according to the schedule um I was working by myself too with my hands doing some uh like painting tiles uh wood floor some siding tool uh trims something
like that and uh like I said I started to build my own house it's halfway done uh right now you know waiting for drywall uh I thought myself it's going to be read in two years but right now I'm thinking maybe 3 years it's always money problems you know and right yes I I would like to get the license to be my own boss and support my kids support my to to feel myself myself safe
and support me and my kids because I don't know what's going we probably me and my husband we divorce I have a question uh for you it says you've been working here in uh Pensacola area yes since 2020 is that when you moved here yeah it yeah no for 20 five years five years 19
it it just says January 15th from 2020 to uh February of 2025 not that's all right that's okay I'm not I'm not trying to pin you down I'm just trying to see cuz these lawsuits um in New Jersey in New York but it I my my my husband signed papers it wasn't I was nothing to do it with the you know I didn't know even what happening what was
happening so he was up there working during that time yeah 2024 Etc so maybe Christa or maybe you could speak on it I'm sorry could you possibly speak on that but the the suit if she was named in the suit if she would be held accountable for
that since she wasn't judgment if she was part of the company owner if she was one I wasn't in the court even one time I I didn't see her name in the documentation with the suit it's here every one of them's got her name well from the husband for for Jersey okay our the problem is we can't see Jersey's right information um but I was that's what I was trying to see if I could find anything else but I didn't
see anything miss christe you can help me is it accurate to say that when if there's like say two or three Partners in a company and someone goes to sue they can each one individually is that it depends well that's kind of that is well out of my range I understand but I'm just trying to figure I tried to protect us from law seats she didn't even know no they didn't s to me no without records we couldn't tell you whether or not she was
served or how the corporation was set up in New Jersey um we can see one of the corporations we can see the corporation she's talking about that she has here um the LLC she has here the Reena land um just a quick look on the internet and I found another company that has the same address which is Coastal Premier Homes LLC yes it's the one I like to have and then there's another one there um same location algro homes yeah it was my husband's business and then there was one from
that location also mm M&M Chapman Enterprises but I don't know what that one is cuz it doesn't have their name and it is inactive but it does l it does list the same address so I can pull those up in sunbiz but it I don't know that it's going to give you an information that's helpful to you and that's I would just if it was a possibility to have more documentation and information because my biggest thing is I don't want to hold her accountable for her husband's
actions of what he may have been doing without her knowing that's something she could certainly Supply to us if she she would have those records because they would have been served on them on each one of them so she could provide those records cuz I fully support you wanting to support yourself staying safe and your children and so if you didn't know what your husband was doing which is very that's you know it could totally happen right I want to make sure you're not being held accountable for your or you're you're in a separation right now your potential ex-husband
actions so that's it would be another situation that if you want to see that documentation that she would need to provide it to you um ultimately while we do the research and see what we can find um the person who's making the application is their responsibility to bring to you the documents that you have questions about um documents that would certainly be in their possession is that something you would be willing to do to bring the documentation yeah I think so
okay I do want to draw your attention to the your screen um this is the address that Miss rata has listed on all of her documentation as her business address mailing address Etc this is the home that she has been building the permits are all expired at this moment this construction project started back in 2020 um and this has been expired since May of last year so it's it's listed as her business address and everything it has not received an occupancy
everybody catch that um feels like we're back to a position of needing more information and it's nothing against you I would I would uh reiterate what Miss Luna said uh that uh we support somebody uh doing better for themselves and taking care of their family their kids we support that at the same time we
have responsibility to you know I understand be very judicious with what we're doing so um do I have a motion from anyone uh I make a motion to continue to the next meeting a second we have a motion in second to can continue to the next meeting any other comments or discussion all in favor raise your right hand all poose same sign see
none hear none we will move it to the next month okay they will be in contact with you about supporting documentation to be able to help us understand better okay good I understand where everything's at and your English is beautiful you speak more languages than probably we do so your English is perfect okay thank you thank you is that it for the contractor applications yes
sir that would that'll conclude contractor applications thank you guys okay let's go to something fun we're now going to move into our probable cause hearings uh the first item is Brett Smith doing business as Apex Plumbing LLC state registered license number rf11 67884 contractor competency board complaint
number 25011 coom it's in regard to Michael dozol homeowner complainant at 3400 West Lee Street Pensacola Florida 32505 this is a continued hearing from our previous hearing date um Mr Smith are you present today and are you going to provide testimony for this hearing so yes you will be right and Mr dozal are you present today and are you
going to be providing testimony for this hearing at this time I'm going to have both parties sworn in as well as our investigator Melissa Reber you swear the ttim to give the truth the whole truth truth so um I don't know if you want to rehear this case in the investigation again I believe we do have an update from Mr Smith as well as Mr dozal so it may be that you just want to hear from the parties instead of going through the complete investigation report is so okay with
everyone just to hear the update does everybody remember pretty clearly he he spoke up they just want the oh yeah so everything is back filled um finally got all the paperwork completed and um yeah I mean everything's good to go I've been speaking with him and Melissa and we're good so everything's uh been inspected yeah everything's been passed everything was pumped out um it was abandon the correct way and it was just really just a paperwork
it was the main longevity of it that actually doing the physical work wasn't the was an issue so staff would like to um just draw attention to investigators exhibits f g and H as well as respondents exhibits A and B those are additional items that were not provided during the previous hearing because this was the permit the getting in the inspection um the items we would like to move those into evidence for this hearing have a motion
to move the exhibits into evidence I make a motion to move the exhibits into evidence that second motion to Second all in favor raise your right hand oppose same sign see none hear none motion is approved this is the building permit for the conversion and then the inspection report being finaled and as you recall whenever um we whenever we uh had this previous hearing U Mr
Smith was made aware of his permitting history and some items that needed to be taken care of this is an updated permitting history he did come in and get quite a few of those taken care of yeah we still got quite a bit of them to go over with like we're still doing the paperwork I didn't get them completed by today but we still have probably six of them left and I don't know if it's getting submitted in we have a big pile of them we're going to bring into one of you yeah to get them all out of the way because with this and cers County we're trying to get them everything cleaned
up Mr do anything else you'd like to tell us good Mr do would you like to speak to the board good morning my name is Mike Bol I'm here about 3,400 West Lee Street Mr Smith with Apex Plumbing had the permit finished the job everything's done he's been paid I'm happy
that's what we were looking for you're happy yes yes that's important for us for the citizens to be happy MH good deal well I uh I can tell you this d uh Health Department transfer for the sep tank uh continues to be an incredible nightmare um a week ago yesterday I sat in the DP EP office in Tallahassee with the number two person in there and explain all the headaches
we're having me and a group of Builders and we walked out of there with zero and I know this is being transmitted but that's okay because it's very frustrating he's told that permits are getting Mr Smith you'll appreciate this he's told that permits are getting submitted back to him 11 to 15 days yeah we document immediately including uh personal examples Way Beyond that so I appreciate your patience and understanding that at least part of this was out
of control of a subcontractor but uh it's an ongoing thing we're just having we can't get permits because of it you know they're they're actually allowing us now to write letters saying we're waiting on the sewer permit before we you know to get our building permited so it is a a big issue sure and there's no sense in digging deeper but they had 2 and A2 years to know this transition was coming and when it happened they had no trucks and the truck or
few trucks and the trucks they had needed new tires they had no lasers they had no they had nothing after two and a half years knowing the transition was coming so yeah there's a little bit of uneasiness inside of us who are out in the field so I understand I appreciate the board's help on this yes sir and you'll have a good day thank you thank you glad you're happy excuse me for venting there but that's a so we need a motion to cancel any so your your determination at this juncture would
be to proceed to a disciplinary hearing or dismissal dismissal do I have a motion for either to proceed or dismiss I make a motion to dismiss do I have a second second all in are any questions all in favor raise your right hand all oppose same sign see none hear none motion is approved for dismissal thank you guys thank you all very much for making this happen yeah see there we did move to the Happy side let's continue this thing
maybe if it gets this happy Mr ER will stay okay we're in a disciplinary hearing yes sir Mr chairman so our first two items are just going to be cleanup items um to let you know uh the first one is Wade L Hunter III doing business as Lee Hunter Construction LLC state registered license number RR 28281 12171
uh contractor competency board complaint number 24863 coom it's in regard to Julie Ricks homeowner complainant at 215 Barry Road Pensacola Florida 32507 this final the the board already made some determinations in regard to violations this final order has been put on hold pending uh Miss Ricks providing restitution documentation it was supposed to come back before this board for a restitution determination to date we have received no information from Miss Rick
we're trying to make sure we clean this up and and get the final order out uh Miss Reber our investigator has been in communication with Miss Rick and requested these items for a couple of months now and we have received nothing in return uh it's at the board's discretion on whether they want to just go ahead and let's issue the final order and make no determination for restitution this time or if you want us to still hold on to this case um and wait on documentation
any input from the board I think we have another case can we defer this to the end of the agenda we have a a related case that you know that I think might provide some other information possibly so if we can just defer this to the end of the um the agenda it's my
recommendation uh you can wait on this one until later if you would if each individual case should stand on its own Merit as far as we making our determination but we can defer it um maybe to another meeting because I'm fine with her having additional time to be contacted or to bring the documentation in Miss rcks so Miss Melissa she for a month now there's been no response that's
correct she's not answered been two mon yes two months um she's not answered my text email and just as I was coming into hearing a clerk handed me return mail which was her notice for this hearing could we potentially give her 30 more days or to the next meeting and then just let her know that this is the fin fin we can do that a continuance is that correct we do a continuance is there any research we could do to find out if she maybe potentially moved or
is anything sent electronically email we there have been text Communications phone calls email Communications and no response has been received okay so do you want a motion for continue I make a motion for a continuance to give her until the next meeting to bring in this documentation second I have a motion to Second for continuance any discussion all in favor raise your right hand I'll oppose same sign see none he none motion is
approved our next item is also Wade h l Hunter II doing business as Lee Hunter construction l LC registered license number RR 28281 12171 contractor competency board complaint number 24967 coom it's in regard to Jeffrey and Cynthia hedenberg uh the homeowner complaintants at 6561 oakcliff Road Pensacola Florida 32526 um this also has already been
before this board and determinations were made in regard to violations and restitution but during those determinations the board didn't specify a time frame in which those item those items needed to be paid that is why this is being brought before the board today to specify time frames Mr Hunter was present during these hearings uh so he is aware that that final order is out there and it's was um on hold in your backup I did include a draft final order um which
includes what he was found in violation of um and what was ordered in regard to restitution um we just need the board to determine how long he he has to make payment on those items um has he made any payments he has not received his final order as of yet um because they were on hold pending other items
I apologize that we did not uh include that so what we need from this board is a time frame to which these F finds and restitution would be paid could you could you help me with whenever it was uh whenever we went through it I don't remember seeing in our uh County ordinances a uh like a
preferred schedule type thing this is pretty much left to the board's discre left to the board's discretion on this this hearing and this these determinations were made in February right um and so you could take that in consideration of time frames as well he that there's already been until today right there could have been some kind of something right paid or Done Right 60 days days of yeah I just didn't remember there being some kind of a guideline that gave us like the fees and stuff okay so we have a total of 20,700 something dollars um
anybody have a time frame you'd like to submit to us for a motion or would like to discuss it first Mr and Miss hedenberg are also present today they may uh want to make a comment in regard to this as well I if if they do or if the board would like to hear from them I would need to swear them man uh sure they're here give him a chance if I can go ahead and have y in
Minnie Mouse came in don't put that don't put don't put that sorry would you'all like to address the board sorry so after the last meeting that you guys had um he talked to me outside and told me he would be more than happy to finish the job so I talked to him and he texted me and asked me for
a good day in January the last week of January um so I gave him two days um he texted me back and said that day Thursday I think it was the 30th or the 31st um would be fine um he would call me before he came but he would show up about between 11 and 12 um never showed up never got a text or a phone call saying um you know this to happen I can't make it today can we reschedule I've sent him several text messages back with no response so you know him
saying he would be happy to finish it and I was giv him the opportunity um nothing nothing at all um there will be another one coming up because I went ahead and paid to put the windows in because I want to get my the property insured and I can't without windows in that piece of it so I am putting windows in um that will be another hearing again for restitution we're also trying to get estimates on what it'll take to finish the job from someone yeah I can't
get contractors to come out in Coast nobody will come out and they don't want to clean up a job right so you've already paid him for the windows that was in in the original contract it was the completed complete room gotcha well I hate he didn't fall through it's you know I against my better judgment I was willing to give him another shot and you know he just well it wouldn't it wouldn't against good judgment that's that's being
a good kind person and don't ever don't take a guess yourself for having a kind heart that's somebody who takes advantage of it perhaps but yeah it's not on you okay any other thing you'd like to repeat to us anybody have a question for the the heidenberg heidenberg okay thank you'all so do I have a motion for a time frame it's already been 60 days let me ask before let me just ask something because I I think what
you to say two days no I'm just kidding just Kidd because we made this in Fe February and now we're two months ahead like if we done 30 days from the date it would already be passed or do we other words is this determination of days based on the February date or is it based on today's date from the date of the issuance of the final order which has not been done when you sign it it'll be 30 days from that date chair all right thank you so we he can say 30 days
from on this motion and it not be already expired correct and since this is already drafted right actually after this meeting if you want to come over we can have that signed today okay M Gary sorry I just want to make sure we got our clear with that making a motion to uh make it pay within 30 days on both the fines and the restitution yes
I have a second and I'll make a second I I hate to uh I hate to pause y'all but we also within that motion need what should happen should he fail to make the payment penalty for that so and we can do things like um I mean you can I think I don't know if you can revoke license for this this one but you can suspend license you can suspend permit and privileges um there's several different things that can be done not come back disciplinary no this is
disciplinary action yes so if he doesn't pay we go ahead and state what happens uh and in previous final orders the statement has been in there to bring him back for further disciplinary action or bring a person back so you can do that yes um y'all have done all types of of final orders some of it is suspension revocation Etc but as Mr hden was saying um there has been instances where it was to bring them back okay you can say to bring it back I apologize I thought this was
it make a motion for uh to be paid within 30 days and have not paid within 30 days and to bring back for disciplinary action there we go now do I have a second second do I have any discussion yeah I'd like to discuss I like to discuss disciplinary action as an option that that we that we would
decide on disciplinary action today today so that he'll know what the consequence is if he doesn't pay she'd like to amend the motion to State yes that the disciplinary action be modified to that we determine a a disciplinary action so that he knows what he's up against if he doesn't play can you give us my my motion is to amend the current motion the current motion to um provide a uh um a
penalty or what the disciplinary action is going to be so that he knows what he's up against but uh but we go but we need you to state that penalty not no words we don't need to be broad we actually need to is that right Miss Christie he's wanting to know what do you want the penalty to be for failure to act to failure to comply well that's what you're saying right Mr Gary made a motion for him to come back and then we discuss it but now the amendment to the motion is that we go ahead
and establish that now right so the motion would need to include what do you want to establish so we would go back to Mr Gary to make okay so do you want a suspension do you want a termination yeah what would you like to have suspension termination revoking of permit privileges for so many days i' I'd recommend termination but up for discussion this has been going on for how many months right and that's that's why I'm favor determination because it's just
non-responsive rication okay then I'll amend my motion to motion for for to be paid within 30 days not paid within 30 days and termination of license revoking it would be revocation of a license revocation license and the revocation is um Let me let me double check I think you have to have a time frame has to be 1 to years I believe but let me double check that
since I know it's just that I'm for
it's right here christe G okay okay so in uh I just want to look at the Lang specific language munic code and it says the revocation of a contractor Certificate of Competency shall be a period not less than one year no more than five years unless you find egregious circumstances and egregious circumstances would be where you'd have to be convinced
that the safety of the public demands permanent revocation so then with my motion that I made it I just have to clarify the the years or does it automatically go to the minimum no you'd have to clarify one to five years all right then I make a U amendment to my motion and say that uh he's he's going to lose his license for one year if not paid so we have a motion for payment within 30 days and if not the license
will revoke for a period of one year okay do I have a second on the amended motion a second all right for a motion a second any discussion all in favor raise your right hand all oppose same signs in none here none motion is approved I know thank
you thank you guys so did you understand so they've given him 30 days to make the payment and if he doesn't make the payment within 30 days then his license will be revoked for a year doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to get your money but it will prevent him from pulling any permits or doing any construction in the region okay and so we'll have signed and ready if
Mr lisst will hang out around after this then we should have that to you today okay our next item is my drian doing business as M&H Construction Services LLC state registered license number RG 2911 03748 contractor competency board complaint number 25213 coom it's in regard
to LY Yang Lee doing business as let's meet Korean barbecue uh llc complainant at 6235 North Davis Highway Pensacola Florida 32504 I see that Mr Tran is present with representation I do not see uh ly yangley in the AUD audience um and just a reminder that Miss Reber was already sworn um we're going to go through the administrative complaint really quick so
we the board can get a quick reminder of what this case is about I know that Mr hatler did provide us with some information last night and I know that he would like to present that to the board we do have printouts um for the board on that item um but just let's Circle back and go through the administrative complaint um notice was sent to representation for uh Mr TR and uh we did receive confirmation that it was received and that is attached to the agenda
um probable cause hearing was held on March 5th 2025 that probable cause hearing contained testimony and evidence about Mr um Len Len yangang Lee he was H he hired the respondent to construct an expansion to his restaurant at the previous stated address issues arose with the project and
the property owner filed civil litigation against the respondent in June of 2021 the property owner and the respondent entered into a confidential settlement agreement that required payment in full by August 19th of 2024 uh the respondent failed to make the payment in full by the required deadline Circuit Judge Jennifer J Fred yovich I'm gonna let her say that executed a consent final judgment for the civil case on October 8th 2024 uh respondent has not satisfied that
consent final judgment to date and the property owner filed a written complaint with this board on February 17th 2025 the board determined that probable cause hearing that there was probable cause to believe that the respondent violated code section 1837 d17 that code section provides that a violation results from the from failure to satisfy a civil judgment obtained against the license or the business organization qualified by the leny within a reasonable time for purposes of
this article including Florida statute 49129 1 r as amended reasonable time shall mean 90 days following the entry of a civil judgment that is not appealed the board will consider a mutually agreed upon payment plan by the contractor as satisfaction of such judgment uh so long as the payments are current uh the board cited that the respondant violated this code section by failing to satisfy consent final judgment issued in the Circuit Court of scambi County on October 8th 202
4 and the penalty guidelines for uh violating this code section are a $500 to $1,000 fine and or proof of satisfaction of CI civil judgment um that is all that c staff has for you uh and like I said I believe Mr hatler has something he would like to present to the board hey Mr good morning Ryan hatler 2908 East doto Street pen Cola I have a happy ending at
the end of the meeting I'm always I'm always pleased to do that as you know from the last meeting we were working on getting some paperwork straightened out between the parties that would in effect satisfy the Judgment that has been done and you're being handed now and I believe staff can put up on the screen copies of the recorded leans two leans were recorded in favor of let's meet uh each lean for 50,000 for a total of $100,000 which is the amount agreed to by
the parties in a signed confidential agreement between them because this is a public forum I can't disclose the entire agreement but the leans are indicative of the substance of the agreement between the parties so in effect this is better than a payment plan it it is a secured interest uh securing his his payment and so uh if we look at code section 8 18-37 d17 which is what's cited in the administrative complaint and guides the board's action on this matter it says that the
um first violation is $500 to $1,000 fine Andor proof of satisfaction of a civil judgment and it goes on to say at the end of that subsection the board will consider a mutually agreed upon payment plan by the contractor as satisfaction of such a judgment so long as the payments are current and so I would submit to the board this contractor has done the right thing he has given
better than a payment plan he has given secured interest in real property and and so we are hoping the board will look favorably upon that outcome and that resolution and not impose a fine and accept the uh leans securing interest in real property as as the resolution of this complaint what was the um amount of restitution I don't see it on here do you remember was
Jennifer what was that chair what was the amount of restitution that was done that was decided so the Civil judgment for was was a entered for 100 $21,000 that was what was on the documentation from the judge and this is aund of it that's been relinquished out 250s is 100 again the agreement between the parties right right that I can't disclose
in full what we have here says that the $100,000 of these two leans is is full and final satisfaction of everything so so once the leans are paid out then let's meet will well as each lean is paid out as you know he they will be required to provide a discharge of lean satisfaction lean lean release whatever whatever you know you want to call it we call it a lot of different things so however you know it a lean release for each lean and when the second lean is paid out upon that the case will be dismissed and a satisfaction
of judgment will be filed by let's me and that will clean up everything that'll be full and final completion and resolution is there a timeline of the payment of the leans no because it it's dependent on completion of the projects and Mr TR is set to have his permitting privileges reinstated April 10th and so as soon as that happens he can he can start the work on these two projects and as soon as each one is completed and sold it can't be sold without let's meet getting
paid the amount of the right they have is there a timeline on the completion of the projects I I believe four months per four months for each one these are these are projects that are familiar you know to M&H they they've done them before and so it should be a routine project in time frame so are you saying that you entered into a new agreement yes there's a new settlement agreement settlement after the consent final judgement correct and that's been filed with
the cler of Court we're not going to file the settlement agreement no it the resolution of the Court matter and the judgment will be through a satisfaction of judgment that is recorded by let's meet after the second lean is paid out okay and in the meantime it just colle collects interest and it's going to be a they agreed in in the in the new settlement agreement they agreed to an amount of $100,000 period the the interests can't run on a lean because when you record a lean against a piece a property that's for a fixed amount
that's Fin and so he accepted Security in real property to secure his payment in exchange for the extra $20,000 in acre interest certainty a bird in the hand so to speak forgive my doubting Thomas attitude but what what is the incentive for him to actually get this done because that would just mean that there's a lean on a piece of property that he could sit on for From Here to Eternity at this point I I understand
what the settlement is that you agreed to but I'm still not following how that there is any fire lit for him to finish this um that's my concern as well just making like I mean we've Dr out make sure this will be executed we we've drugged this out so long it's it's I mean I understand I understand the securing the property but the property can sit there until the cows come home and he doesn't actually do the work or finish it or actually put
it on the market and sell it then while that is admittedly a factual possibility I don't think it should be the default Assumption of the board I mean this is a situation where Mr TR has come before the board consistently and tried to work it out and and I believe as an attorney two leans on Real Property securing payment is just about as you know close to a guarantee in life as as you can get I don't see any reason I don't know of any facts or evidence as we
sit here today that would justify the board's presumption as more likely than not that this property will just be allowed to sit and nothing will happen Mr Tran has come before this board in the past 6 months requesting reinstatement of his permitting privileges because he wants to get back to work he is looking forward to April 10th when he can get back to work and I think that these should be the indications to the board as to what is going to happen in the near
future not assuming that he will do wrong and do nothing but I think it's also worth noting that his pering privileges were taken away due to his own actions so it's not because the board just decided to take it away and he's you know uh pardon the criminal analogy but he's done his time and he shouldn't be continually punished or suspected for something that he has taken responsibility for and and paid the penalty for and I completely agree with that I
just want to ensure that there's something established to make sure that he follows through and executes his promises and with that Christie is what can we do in terms of this and a time sorry we were looking up a number of things because Oh no you're fine you're fine and so what you I should have said go Gators and I knew how to get your attention this weekend yes um
I have to agree with you and and this so what we were looking at was the the we pulled up the permit to see who's doing the construction on the property and it's a company by the name of Stanley DT Construction Services that's who's got permits P pulled and and I I think we we're looking to see what what connection that is to this um to the Blue Sea Florida Investment Company um I and we're not sure what the relationship is to blue sea between to to Mr TR and that's
what she's looking up as well I mean I I yeah so blue SE Florida Investment LLC owns the property that the lean has been put on the contractor that is building the home currently is the uh one that chrisy spoke about earlier I looked up blue SE Florida Investment LLC and Mr TR isn't listed anywhere on this company when when was the permit pulled that you're talking about because I
suspect it was pulled after Mr tr's permitting privileges were revoked so that's correct Mr TR did come in and attempt to obtain the permit um himself and it was subsequently voided whenever because his permitting privileges were revoked and then um Stanley DT construction uh came in a couple of months later or a month later and obtain the permitting so it's under permit by
a different contractor yeah and that'll have to be closed out and a new permit pulled by M&H construction you you understand uh I know you do Mr Hadler that there's all kind of flags with this it would appear someone is pulling permits for Mr TR to continue working well no I it it I'm saying it doesn't appear that way I'm saying that's not the reality the the reality as I
understand the situation back then was because Mr TR couldn't get the permit he was going to have this contractor perform the project but it quickly became apparent that it was not going to be cost effective to proceed that way and so they stopped they stopped moving forward under that permit I didn't know the permit was still active and why is Mr tran not the signator for the authorized member with on these leans but he's not an authorized person of the owner it's whatever so the owner of Florida Investment LLC is doing it on behalf of Mr TR
well I'm not privy to the private discussions or business dealings between Mr doe and Mr TR but I mean this is recorded it's signed by Mr doe notorized so we know it's him and it's recorded in the official records of escamia County Florida still some smelly signs activity that's not Kosher and it's just there's no connection to Mr trans and it goes here so I'm just I'm trying to follow the little red ball yeah I I would say that it is definitely an unusual situation but it is not
improper trying to say that we're just trying to understand the information that's at hand and in front of us yeah I think I think my feeling and belief and and assertion today is that these executed recorded leans are the most important aspect of this whole situation I mean it's like a mortgage to a bank I mean it is is I can appreciate your
point with that Mr H what the hiccup we're feeling is somebody else is pulling permits on projects that he that Mr TR has a contract on and that is Flags yeah Mr TR has a contract with Mr doe for a project his privileges were revoked so he has found somebody else to pull a permit on that job he has a contract signed
to do work that he's not able licensed to be able to perform which is not legal wait I don't follow you there Mr Tran has a contract with Mr doe to do work on his property but he is not licensed properly to fulfill that contract at this time so he hires our gets somebody to come pull permits to do the work but he still has the contract that's a flag but we don't know hired the other contractor
to do the work well we do know how do we know that uh there's no contract between the Stanley DT and Mr doe how do we know that correct I I don't know that you're telling me that I don't I don't know that from research I think that's going to be found to be accurate but we do the research then because you know there's something slimy here somewhere and we got to get to the end of this well I I don't I don't think that characterization is proper in this forum well it feels it feels
unethical it feels against our uh law our County ordinances the state law all of that you have to be a licensed contractor in good standing to sign contracts and when you do that and then you I mean that's that's you're very intelligent more so than me probably on some of this law stuff you know that that's that's out of the bounds well I don't know who this other contractor had a contract with
I was not privy to that contract we can find out that's for sure so I don't know if it's helpful but they were able to pull the sunbiz records on that and the company that has the that's been pulling the permits is um a gentleman or company the registered agent is Tong fam and the title manager is deian Tran d n Tran so I don't know I mean the manager of that company is D en Tran and of course I gave you the registered a I think what I'm what I'm hearing the board and I know it's
how it sounds but I think what they're saying is they can't see the next they don't see the Nexus between the property owner why would a property owner who has no Nexus to your client put a debt against their property and that's what makes no sense and I think that's what they're saying that piece of the puzzle is missing and they want to know what the answer is and the only way they can know that answer is to follow up and to find out why D Stanley DT is pulling permits on a property and somebody else is putting is offering lean for payment of a debt that tran owns it doesn't
it doesn't add up that's what they're saying so where's the connection they're just looking for the Nexus if he has no interest in it just if he no interest in it which is supposed to be based on everything we're reading why would somebody stand up and allow a lean to be pulling this property for somebody who has no vested interest in so there's well again I I I don't know that the individual Private Business matters of these two gentlemen are before this board today I I understand you can ask the question raise the concern you know and and not you know express your
frustration with not understanding being able to connect the dots but from a legal standpoint today we are here on the administrative complaint for failure to pay a civil judgment right the fine for that is $500,000 to ,000 if you impose the fine you can do that this can all be over today I was hoping that given everything we've done and and and the recorded leans securing the payments the agreement with the owner that the board would look favorably upon this resolution and not impose the
leans by considering ing the leans as essentially better than a payment plan as referenced in the ordinance however if you're not inclined to look favorably upon the leans as a as a a payment plan essentially and dispense with the fine then you can just impose the fine today obviously and from Mr Lee's standpoint he probably is better to have the Bird in Hand I I I can see that there's some shift in Parts in here that's flagging us and that's the that's the concern about this um I have
a question um Jennifer whoa I got really close to the mic sorry uh the tab that you just had open that displayed the names there's a TR on there is there an address and is it the same as Mr TR here um so on the Loa um we don't require addresses for authorized agents um so I do not have a physical address for Mr that was relation and this person was so um on here on the sunbiz documentation for
Stanley DT construction it does have an address listed as 305 North Stillman Street for Mr TR um okay Mr TR just informed me that the property owner is actually here with him and so if you want to swear her in and ask her in a public forum about why she would be willing to do what you're
asking about that's on you but she's here and I don't think it's appropriate but there's the owner right there I think that's lovely if she'd like to come up and talk thank you for offering that if we can swear her in and if she'd like to speak she's more than welcome to yeah and I I think it's in the best interest of of you know getting a good settlement M Christie we would defer I would defer to get your input from our standpoint well I think the connection is what's
missing for you to understand why someone would put this kind of money give someone that they're not have they don't have a connection to just want to make sure we're are and I would remind you part of the penalties that are available under this is the fine and you can include the requirement to show proof of civil so this is what he's trying to do with this is show proof of satisfaction of the Civil so that's the other half of it besides it's a fine and or a fine or so and and again for the record because I don't know where this is going but
for the record I want to State clearly I believe we've shown this and prying behind how you know America how much is this governmental body who's in charge of Licensing allowed to claw behind the scenes into people's personal lives and dealings I don't know but there's a line somewhere there is yes sir Our concern would be more uh somebody operating within their licensing Privileges and operating outside of it and and that is not before this board today though is my point the administrative complaint is not on that we are here we are here on 18-37 d17 being
failure to pay a civil judgment timely thank you based on what they've said they have to make the determination whether or not what you're showing them satisfies the satisfies the debt and if they so they could just make the determination that it doesn't satisfy it but I think they're trying to get to a place where they can say it does and and that is why they're prying is they want to get to a place where they're comfortable saying yes this satisfies it we don't have the other party here and and I don't know if he thought that he didn't need to come but we don't have him here so
they can't just ask him I I would submit that Mr Lee's absence today is a strong indication of his uh satisfaction with the agreement between the parties but to be fair that's also speculation there's a lot of speculation going on this morning oh that goes with a th then if she would like to approach the board then we're open for that she need to be sworn in correct state your name and address first of all she needs to be SW
yeah yes I do thank you yeah my name is W I'm uh the address is 4773 right land Milton Florida 32570 uh I'm the old owner of the blue SE Florida investment LC also the owner of uh um two property on B um my friend is my boyfriend and uh I know he uh he um has uh permit to uh
original to build my uh property and Bist but his license is wor as a pen uh for until April and uh I need to find a Stanley uh to just do the foundation for me because I don't want the property it damaged you know it's everything ready and we need to keep moving uh but that's all I need Stanley do just Foundation only I'm still waiting for uh my boyfriend to
get the license back I'm trying to help him to get everything back you know like cuz he been a really rough time in the last few year um but yeah other than that and that's why I agree to uh like uh put Ching on the property that after the he get the license back and we got it done really quick because we done the same project for so many time it's not you know it's it won't take long as long as he he uh get the license take like three four
month to flip the house she call that we do and yeah but Stanley Stanley just done a foundation for me only he and they don't do anything else you know I'm still waiting for [Music] him thank you thank you Mr thank you thank you so we have before us the just some clarification I'm sorry the two properties
that she's talking about are those the two properties that the lean WR and leans around okay and then that he needs to continue to do work on to complete to then get money MH is that okay just want to make sure I'm following it's like a flip they building something yeah so our decision I'm sorry to hold you up but our court reporter just needs a proper spelling for your name how do you spell your name so o a n h d o okay thank you o n h h o and last name d
do so our determination will be is the two leans sufficient to satisfy the restitution and then any fine or no fine Etc to go along with that is that correct still so what is before the board is is to make a determination on whether um Mr TR violated this
code section and if you make that determination then determine what penalty you will assess but the lean that's here we could also be determined that this does satisfy that's what the option is I believe that's the request from Mr hatler is that that would take uh the leans or what they are providing as proof of the satisfaction of civil
judgment and at that point there would be no fines right Miss Christie that would be the guideline allows for 500 a $1,000 fund on top of even if we say this satisfies right if you make a finding that it's a violation then um then you would then you go to the question what's the penalty $500 to $1,000 fine which is the guideline and or proof of satisfaction and then you would make that determination yes this satisfies or no this doesn't satisfy so the determination as to
whether that satisfies [Music] um youve you don't really get there until you make a determination on disciplinary action whether or not he's guilty of the violation of d17 so essentially two two steps like outside of it they could come to a settlement that's great fantastic for y'all but the violation is still here and we need to make a judgment as to the counts correct um um Mr Waters is very good at this at determining whether or not I've seen him many times go regardless of
what settlement has happened outside of here he's still guilty I've seen him do that before so it's still a decision you have to make regardless of their settlement outside of this because your determination is on that contractor right it's not whether or not I know that sometimes you don't go that far because parties are happy and so it stops at probable cause so you have to determine is this a situation where the parties are happy and you don't want to and you're just not going to make a disciplinary decision because the parties are happy but you don't have the other side standing here to tell you that so we don't know if so you
have to weigh the evidence you decide and decide whether or not you want to do a finding um of guilt against on that one on the one count for failure to satisfy and then if he and then this is evidence that he's come back and made you know that the documents have been provided are evidence that would go towards the penalty phase you have to determine first whether or not he failed within a reasonable time and our code says 90 days the state statute used to say 90 days now they've moved it and I think it's actually in the fac and it says 60 days is the reasonable time
but I didn't locate that for you but because our codee even with the the bum reference to the wrong statute it does say as amended um so it could be our code recognizes 90 days did he satisfy satisfy the Judgment within 90 days and that's why it had to be it had to be brought back later and it was originally and I may be able to simplify this a bit uh we will concede the violation there was clearly a violation of 18-37 d17 failure to timely pay the Judgment within 90 days we conc that what
I'm here this morning to do is to respectfully request that you look at the ordinance in where it says the result of a violation is a fine of 500,000 500 to $1,000 and or satisfaction of the Judgment proving satisfaction of the Judgment that the board ruled today vote today that it will say or not and so you are imposing a penalty or for proof of satisfaction of the Judgment
which I believe we have done today so based on that admission you'd want to go ahead and do your first take care of your first step which is the determination whether or not a violation occurred do I have a motion to determination the violation of scami county code section 18-37 d17 I need a motion from somebody if if that's what we want to do that is in violation admitted violation I make a motion that he was in admitted violation
of a scambia county code section 18-37 d17 right do I have a second second okay I have a motion second any other discussion okay all in favor raise your right hand okay so now we have that completed the second phase of this is for the record it was um a unanimous decision it was unanimous I'm sorry got to have the written record I was jumping ahead of myself so the
penalty phase guidelines is 500 to ,000 fine and or proof of satisfaction of civil judgment which we have record of two leans to help quantify that so we can either have the lean uh the the fine and the submitted evidence to us or just take the submitted evidence and the F if you if someone wants to do the fine it would have to be between
$500 and $1,000 so again our option is to simplify is a lean a fine of one of those amounts between between those amounts and then we have the proof or we just accept the proof and no fine is that kind of making sense I know we've been all over the table here I make a motion that uh we go with the and and it's a $500 fine plus proof
of satisfaction which he has done $500 fine PID within 30 days I have a motion for a $500 fine and proof of the settlement as evidenced do I have a second to that and Mr he Mr H didn't did say 30 days is what and he said 30 days paid within 30 days do I have a second with that if there's no second the motion will die is there a second that's okay pass i' like to
amend the motion to a thousand and satisfaction of lean so you would need the I'll second that way first so first of all we'll either have to get Mr Gary to amend it or we'll let that motion die and then you make a new motion so if is there no second to Mr G's motion okay the motion has died so now I can entertain a secondary motion of I make a motion that the ,000 fine
be applied and the proof of satisfaction of lean and the fine will be paid within within 30 days within 30 days right so I have a second motion now that would be a $1,000 fine payable within 30 days along with the evidence given to us of the satisfaction and I need um what would happen if it should not be in paid within the 30 days okay so you want to well we do that next do we or we do that it's all included in one motion it's included in one motion MH and if it's not paid
within 30 days supension and ration suspension and revocation of a license one of the two suspension ration revocation okay hold on let me slow you down there's a conversation that's going on behind the bar that suspension or revocation you can't have both you have to have one or the other inside yeah I'm just trying to make sure she's getting it on the record thank you she's fast so if we could
have Mr Sims if you could do your motion again so we have it clear I'm in the motion to require a $1,000 fine and um the satisfaction of the lean within 30 days or revocation of license how many for how long revocation has to occur between one and five years one to five years one year okay verification one year so that's you're going to part of your motion you're accepting the proof yes that's been provided as proof of the lean so that as proof of the satisfaction yes
okay to rein state it I guess would be $1,000 fine payable within 30 days if it's not paid revoking of license for one year and accepting the evidence of a lean as satisfaction of the judgment that's what he saying that's what he's saying I'm just trying to surmise it to make sure that we're getting it right you got it is that correct you got it okay so I need a second to that motion if there is one second I have a motion I have a second is there any discussion that we need to go into now with this okay all in favor raise your right
hand all opposed thank you board have a nice day okay for the record ir and water is opposed yep okay youon okay so we have completed the third item I swear there are no other agenda items
okay there's no other items we will be adjourned thank you everyone