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on time the first Speaker this morning is Keith Bo thank you Commissioners what I'd like to address 
today is uh District 2 derangement syndrome I   see evidence of District 2 derangement syndrome 
sitting before me on the dis and it's been going   on for much longer than the last two Commissioners 
it was evident when melino had a case of champagne   and offered drink s for an Afterparty in the 
parking garage after the ending of a BCC meeting   before adjournment when it was the last meeting 
for uh commissioner Underhill it's also evident   when using commissioner Ker's report s he sent 
to the Admiral about Base traffic why send the   district one commissioner who's got no experience 
with military to explain what he didn't produce   it's also evident when uh commissioner Kohler 
was skipped and shuffled around as the D2 who   was supposed to be uh rotated into the position 
of chair and should now be in the position of   assistant chair or co-chair how many times have 
each of you set as either the chair or co-chair   when in the last more than a decade District 
uh two has had the position position perhaps once that's all I've got to say we have a 
derangement syndrome up here and Gorbachev   tear down that wall Mr chairman I'm going to 
respond to that Keith um I was appointed to   serve on the northwest Florida defense 
communities board Jeff one second Keith   please have a seat yeah please have a seat 
thank you you can still listen while you sit   thank you yeah you're welcome I was appointed 
by the chairman because I served 15 years on   the local military Affairs committee as well as 
growing up in a military family as well as working   on NAS Pensacola for 18 years I'm very familiar 
with the topics and the issues at hand and it   was a natural appointment for me I have nothing 
against Mike I respect his military service um I   spoke to the commander Naval installations command 
the three star admiral I spoke to him in person   in a in a private meeting and we talked about 
issues at whing field we talked about issues at   Nas and we talked about traffic at the Blue Angel 
gate I didn't I didn't present any written report   Mike didn't send any written report with me so I 
don't know where you're getting your information   but it's incorrect thank you Mr chairman Mr 
chairman just for clarification because Jeffy   went in on this so um what had happened back in 
January Admiral Quinn had reached out to me and   asked me to put some stuff together that would 
counter the NP compatibility utilization study   the County Administrator was aware of this I 
worked with several directors inside of our   our um in the county um they sent me stuff I went 
back and forth sent that to adal Quinn we put a   point paper together it was nothing mean Spirit it 
was in it was in the interest of the base um that   did happen it's out there I I didn't share with 
you because I didn't know at the time I thought   Admiral Quinwood so there was nothing ill willed 
by it at all no no we've been working on three   specific projects Mike I mean otherwise you you 
get bogged down into the weeds Admiral Quinn spoke   with with uh with Admiral gray as well um but 
about any kind of report that I was bringing on   behalf of the county it did that didn't happen 
and I don't know if you you know wrote a point   paper or whatever you did but we talked about 
three specific issues because those are the   things we're going for thank you that's all I have 
to say okay super next speaker is Victoria Griffin can I get y a cop yes ma'am sure thank you ttim just some reading material for yall good 
morning um this is about JoJo Villas as we've   been studying the impact of this development to 
each of our wellestablished neighborhoods woodrun   Finley and JoJo we have learned how important 
the Land Development codes need to be revamped   to respect the current and Future developments of 
the county since we started this Joy Blackman has   developed the professional adversary committee to 
analyze and suggest areas that needed Improvement   and she's done an extremely good job on that I 
feel that the residents of mumia County should   not be the ones to pay for additional Services 
when a new establishment is developed I think   there should be an impact fee as well as 
environmental impact fees I say this because   when um the proposed development if it does come 
through a holding Pond may be behind my home and   the impact fees environment impact fees would 
help the county be able to repair some of those   things um I respectively request that the county 
change our Zone from a high density mixed use to   a low density residential Zone this would be in 
line with our neighborhoods that were developed   back in the 1970s I also feel that before large 
neighborhoods impacting multi-unit housing is   approved nearby neighbors need to be notified in 
advance withd drawings so that the impact can be   discussed thank you for your time thank you 
Victoria the next speaker is Chris cerb thank you good morning um two minutes or three 
minutes two minutes okay uh reason I asked   that uh sen Rosa county is having their board 
meeting this morning too um they actually have   a same thing y'all call a committee of the whole 
over here over there uh on a Monday and then on   a Thursday they have the regular meeting and 
uh you basically get total of six minutes if   you go to both meetings but uh and it's all about 
the people you know the people get to talk uh at   public public forum and you know that's you guys 
get elected to listen to what the people say it's   We the People it's not me the people it's we the 
people but anyway uh uh tomorrow evening uh at   5:00 downtown Pensacola Library a th friends for 
Florida um has done some analyzed growth Trends   and they'll be doing a uh workshop for land use 
and water quality for up to 2040 uh predictions so   um that's at 5:00 um building uh Beach Haven 
building meaningful communities is also having   a uh meeting in the Beach Haven area uh Michael 
asked me to speak um on uh Force Creek Apartments   flooding um there's a lot lot associated with 
Force Creek Apartments flooding when it comes   to the community um and this subject came up last 
week at the the Warrington uh CRA meeting you know   talking about uh that sunsets in December 2025 
talking about trying to get that reinstituted   for another 30 years so um that's a good thing but 
uh Forest Creek Apartment is one of those uh flood   problem areas that it's probably the worst one 
in a scami county I'd say and uh you know I think   there's 80 to 100 families that get displaced in 
that that uh neighborhood every time every time   we have a major flood event and uh I think it may 
be time for the county to look look at uh putting   that back in your radar especially since we've got 
uh uh very active hurricane season forecasted so   I didn't see the clock up there so but thank you 
thank you Chris our our systems aren't working so   board just FYI will be voting during the meeting 
by hand as well and I don't believe the screen   is going to be working for any item that's on the 
agenda um so we'll see next speaker is Shirley pitz and I know it's been a number of times 
I think that's your correct last name very   good good job thank you hello my name is Shirley 
pitz and I live at 1385 Finley Drive I am here   today to speak in opposition to the proposed JoJo 
subdivision Town Homes first I want to thank each   commissioner who voted for the P parking ordinance 
this change recognizes that three or four younger   people commonly rent one home and split the cost 
each of them has a vehicle the same is true for   many single adults my age who can no longer afford 
to rent or buy an entire home and basically rent   a bedroom even in the so-called nuclear family 
children don't stay small for long soon they are   driving and have their own cars needing their own 
parking spaces time the number of parking spaces   to the number of sleeping rooms gives parody 
please Commissioners direct staff to request   floor plans for the proposed JoJo units so that 
the appropriate number of parking spaces can be   calculated by staff plans should not be approved 
without first having this data the footprint of   the parking should be tied down before trying to 
approve the footprint of buildings I am opposed   to this latest plan the town homes although 
located near the back are still incompatible   in density and intensity as it crams town 
homes on teeny tiny Lots instead of the one   dwelling per spacious lot that exists currently 
on Finley Drive a builder of single family homes   would recognize the huge profit potential in the 
sale of high-end large luxury homes on Big Lots   in this much to be desired location however 
a landlord only sees monthly rental income   and continues to give incompatible proposals 
thank you thank you next speaker is Larry DS Jr Hello Larry DS Junior Plumbing LLC because 
FAL matters you got to hear it every time now   because that was a lot of this is this is just 
for for Barry here that was there was a lot of   [ __ ] I got to say it like for little children 
you know sensitive ears maybe some of y'all might   be part of the tissue generation you know easily 
offended anyways uh y'all y'all remember when   y'all close down the beaches the outdoors you 
closed it down for a virus that doesn't exist   Outdoors the place where you should be getting 
sun vitamin D deficiency around the world just   basic science we had a local doctor here over 
in Gul Breeze her name is Dr Deborah vigon she's   a real bad ass Berry I me I'm assuming I can 
spell words here I mean you know I'm challenged   a little bit but I'll try anyways uh here's her 
book covid-19 vaccines and Beyond it's not only   Dr Deborah vigle own but also Dr James Thorp so 
y'all did not follow the science y'all followed   the corporations who make the money and y'all 
followed the government so when you do that and   you find out that you spread dis misinformation 
disinformation and lies then you have to apologize   you have to acknowledge where you went wrong 
cuz we I I don't want elect that's the reason   why I don't want y'all to run for reelection I 
don't need some somebody who just does as they're   told by the higher ups I want some independent 
thinkers here I want some people that can open   their eyes and their mind and their ears see 
what I mean that's how we've gotten in this   position Barry you run around outdoors with 
your mask on that this is not personal this   is everybody uh everywhere we have to point out 
the obvious so we don't make these mistakes again   see what I mean in our time two minutes there 
ain't nobody in here you can't tolerate three   minutes your time is up L yeah finish Mission 
obvious. comom if y'all want to look up some   real facts not this crony science bull crap 
all right thank you thank you speaker is Sonia ree still waiting on those apologies public 
good morning good morning we all take measures   to provide regular maintenance on our cars we 
make sure that the engines have oil in them or   the engine blows up costing a much higher expense 
than a few courts so it makes sense to maintain to   administer preventive measures to ensure we don't 
have to react act to crises like a blown engine   or like thousands of homes being flooded so why 
are we not focusing our efforts on prevention if   Bou Marcus had just simply been maintained maybe 
you would hear less fussing so now we're sitting   on millions of dollars waiting for multiple 
federal agencies to approve spending to address   our storm water and infrastructure needs and we 
have to wait patiently for studies and surveys   and no one knows know how many bureaucrats 
to stick their noses into County business so   whose responsibility is it to go back to the 
powers that be at the D and the Deo and tell   them to stop hindering progress for the lowly 
citizens of Escambia County I'm just curious um   how long did it take to approve of and how many 
desk jockeys were involved in the decisions to   build a new Publix and a new Wawa and can we we 
can tear down Acres of forest but we can't clean   out a creek it just doesn't make sense a 
person who's taken to the ER to be treated   for life-threatening injuries isn't given a 
bandaid and sent out the door and while we do   appreciate the small Band-Aid project at Atlas and 
Pontiac it doesn't begin to address the problem   at large so can we change our Focus to be more 
proactive and preventive rather than reactive can   we advocate for rational Common Sense decisions 
that will allow for Less spending in the future   future and I ask you how would you feel what 
would you do if it were your homes that were   constantly in Jeopardy of flooding thanks for 
your time thank you the next speaker is Kathy rushing first time speaker good morning I grew 
up here I want to thank you commissioner kowler   for what you did at Bailey and the people that 
you brought out there it's a shame that Escambia   County allows Builders to get away with that 
crap what what's happened to those people but   now my problem that I'm having is County produced 
for failure to maintain the drain holes I live on   West Winthrop and I've got a slope on the east 
side and I got a slope on the west side and here's   the drain hole and it's got to go across and then 
I got a load of water coming off of homes I got a   load and I've got video from Sally gentlemen 
so I can back up my words I was out there I   had to go across the street to unblock the hole 
so the water could drain and not back up it has   not been maintained we need to have certain times 
of the year every spring County Road needs to go   wherever these holes are and wherever they drain 
over to and clean out the ditch the ditch is full   of Leaves last year in June when we had that Heavy 
Rain I was out there cleaning the drain hole off   now because we have no law about parking on grass 
right away my neighbor has killed off about 25 to   30 ft of grass and that you have sand now washing 
into the drain hole that was never there before   we have got to be more preactive in what's going 
on you see my flooding would be due to scambia   County and did that H my house that I'm in right 
now because somebody blocked the drain in 05 the   edge of the house got water I've got Buckle over 
there all because of that thank you I wish y'all   would just Broadway is doing the best they can 
gentlemen but we have to make a schedule of those   because that makes y'all responsible right thank 
thank you thank you next speaker is George Levy morning Commissioners Good morning George um I 
have uh two copies of u i thing for the record   okay thank um I'm here to talk about um fou up 
for and the enter in the public service record   cop of my email I sent to the scambia County 
Commissioners board um on the 17th regarding   house insurance and the insurance industry BC EG 
um a large County like Miami deed is classified as   a one like 100% efficient effective scambia 
county is like a four which could be as low   as 65% effective why is a county allowing sub 
standard housing construction to reduced cost   of a a house is Pennywise and dollar foolish 
and I've heard this argument that it's to save   the cost of housing reduce the cost of housing 
that's ridiculous when the wind blows and you   have a pile of toothpicks and a a person's life 
savings in a pile there's also mentioned about   uh in the news about the Civic Center repairs is 
there a situation where buildings need repair and   not being properly intended to like maintenance 
proper maintenance like roof repairs are there   are there situations where a stitch in time will 
save nine is the county in a rut of building new   structures then failing to maintain them then 
have to knock down and rebuild is this a racket   number three I still have a concern and question 
to your staff legal that has not been responded   to if a misapplication of County codes by staff 
decisions result in an accident determined to be   responsibility of these uh Escambia County staff 
making and implementing the decision would that   become the responsibility and liability of 
the county and ultimately result in higher   taxes to the residents thank you thank 
you thank you George next speaker is Jean Brown yes ma' thank you good morning I'm Jean Brown of 1475 Finley 
Drive for 55 years I oppose JoJo Road Villa's   development is JoJo Road Villas a development plan 
that can be approved I have looked at preliminary   plans and also at staff comments there seem to 
be inconsistencies and incompatibility with the   existing neighborhood some questions Planning and 
Zoning new parking ordinance will require three   parking spaces per single family or town home 
a new plan is required to meet parking requir   ments and staff comments buffering and screening 
development is adjacent to existing single family   homes at least one acre they have 15t buffer 
along all side and rear lot lines where Town   Homes a but or adjacent to existing single family 
homes uh regarding Bennett there has been a sale   which completely separates this single family 
residence from Bennett Apartments the use is Now   sing single family residential not multif family 
greater than 10 as it appears on the plan access   there is no Bridge across JoJo uh road across 
the wetlands now Finley will be constructed to   County standards pipe storm water conveyance curb 
sidewalk resurface will it be 18t pavement as now   who will pay what about the rest of Finley left 
and right turn Lanes from Finley onto Jernigan we   were told there is not enough easement for traffic 
with new development on Fenley Jernigan traffic   turning left onto Fenley will back up Jernigan's 
50ft right of way power pole on Jernigan within   the 50ft ride Way South of Finley blocks The View 
entering Jernigan at rush hour traffic turning   left onto Fox Hollow from Jernigan backs up 
traffic to 9 miles road which has 73 residences in   Fox Hollow 81 proposed on Finley the T turnaround 
has JoJo extension east of Westside Drive been   vacated the lift station can't be located within 
the right of way the amenity area uh should be   fenced and accessible from uh the development only 
not from Finley uh environmental the plan says a   portion of the subject parcel Falls within the 
20year time travel Contours staff comments says   that the entire site lies within 7year time travel 
thank you very much remember Finley JoJo All Right   board um that's our the last of our public forum 
um if uh if y'all would indulge we do have rear   Admiral Kyle Kad here and he was uh hoping to just 
kind of make a few comments and and give him a few   minutes to uh update us on some activities 
U thank you and thank you for being here admal good morning Commissioners I appreciate 
the opportunity here um I listened with great   interest uh to a conversation you all had um 
regarding the National Flight Academy and by   way of introduction I'm Kyle Ked president CEO 
of the Naval Aviation Museum Foundation uh and   uh you know during those conversations there were 
a lot of discussion of the lack of local impact   on our stem outreach program so I'd like to share 
some numbers because when I joined the foundation   in 2020 I had the same exact impression that you 
all did very little impact and I set out to change   that uh this year over 2530 local Escambia County 
students many of which attend Title One schools   uh will attend some sort of stem Outreach stem 
exposure programs at the National Flight Academy   or the national Naval Aviation Museum um from 
a grade of uh 5 through 12 uh many at no cost   to Escambia County I'd like to walk through 
each one of those programs I'll start with our   fifth grade program that's new to the area called 
Starbase uh this year we uh estimate that over,   1600 1,600 students will attend Starbase uh 
on board the national fight Academy that's   25 curriculum hours spread out over five days uh 
I'll tell you that uh um in the two years since we   opened 100% of our Title One schools will have 
children who attended that program 100% at no   cost to Escambia County uh in addition to that 
we have 14 45 summer camp opportunities at no   cost to students uh we were also recently approved 
for Starbase 2.0 which is an after school program   allowing 20 students from Warrington Prep 
Academy an opportunity to go through similar   stem Outreach at Warrington prep for our middle 
schoolers we have the flight Adventure deck and   flight Adventure deck encompasses primarily 
field trips to the museum where kids get an   opportunity to do uh 12 to 15 stations where they 
do Hands-On Aviation related exposure to stem um   Escambia County uh with the modest cost of 
busing uh participates for free no cost to   the students this year uh we anticipate 732 
students interesting when you compare that to   Santa Rosa County who takes much greater advantage 
of the program they'll have almost quadruple that   at 3,219 and this is just all about opportunity 
raising your hand uh and uh and signning up for   different sessions finally kind of the Capstone 
program that you talked about specifically   National Flight academy uh the very first year I 
was here we had um 25 local students who were able   to attend this year that number is up to 200 and 
I will tell you that uh um we've worked hard to   leverage fundraising we have 107 scholarships that 
will go to local students uh again over to the   county to decide and the school district to decide 
which needs base students get to attend that and   we have 76 remaining for this summer program now I 
would I would opine that you know you talked about   fun funding you talked about different programs I 
also have capacity during the school year to set   up something similar to Starbase whether that's 
a one-day field trip where high schoolers get to   come out uh and uh go through you know different 
uh Mission planning opportunities learn about   airplanes learn about technology or whether that's 
a 25 curriculum hour program I just need the help   uh from a funding perspective to be able to put 
that in place ready to do that next year with a   partnership between the county and the National 
Flight Academy gentlemen any questions yes M Mr   chairman commer BOS and commissioner Co yeah 
thank you so much for coming out Admiral um   just and I appreciate that knowledge I've known 
about Starbase at last for many years for for some   time I know it was shut down uh and then it came 
back so I'm very happy about that in particular   just the the 7-Day trips to the National Flight 
Academy I was at a presentation during industry   day at NAS Pensacola at the Oaks and the gentleman 
who runs it very very articulate well spoken was   asked that question and that that's that was 
the question I had about and it was a I mean   everything was all good I mean like every state 
in the Union has had students come there for the   7-Day program or the 3-day or the one um multiple 
countries 60 countries it's fantastic and the   question that I had was how many of the students 
from esami County's poorest schools have had the   opportunity to do the 7-day trip and he gave me a 
percentage of the total that was extremely anemic   I understand there's a cost involved the context 
of the discussion commissioner May and I were   having was we've got $10 million in children's 
trust funds we just simply wanted to know and and   I'm glad to hear you have 200 set aside I'm glad 
about the 107 scholarship these are facts that   need to get out because frankly I wasn't aware 
of it and that wasn't part of the presentation   during in Industry day but it it seemed like 
an incredibly small percentage of the total   was coming from the schools that needed the most 
so how can I how can I help from this position do   I need to go talk to the school board but there's 
some students in our schools locally at Title One   schools extremely challenged that would really 
benefit from a 7-Day adventure and if cost is the   is the obstacle or the impediment I want to find 
a way to to facilitate that yeah so your spot on   the answer is cost there's a cost component to 
is it 1700 for the 7day trip 1,700 for seven uh   for the six night six now you can you can spread 
that out though because I heard I was I was very   interested in your discussion and you know one of 
you mentioned we want 100% of our Title One kids   to have an opportunity to go out there with that 
exposure you know that can start with a one day it   can grow to a one day over five different days 
how much is the one day Admiral one day is $99   I that should have happened yesterday I'll I'll 
fund it out of my own discretionary if necessary   but we have the children's trust and that seems 
to be a core function um has the school has school   district have they reached out to you um because 
we do have schools that are challenged I I've got   a a meeting with Dr Leonard uh in two weeks he's 
going to come out and we're going to walk through   each of the different programs and I'll lay out 
exactly what I laid out to you you know one of   the things I'd like to do um again the only cost 
to scambia county is busing uh for the one- day   field trip to go to our flight Adventure deck as 
cambia County underutilizes that there's great   opportunity and again this is just the cost 
of buses I I want all of the above but I but   I want the kids the poorest kids in our district 
since the taxpayers are paying for a children's   trust to have the ability for that 7-day trip 
because I I've been to the flight I've been to   the National Flight Academy been there um it's a 
beautiful facility a wonderful program and I think   the leadership that that instills and the stem 
knowledge would well serve a lot of these students   who frankly you know that that cost is a barrier 
so we need to find a way to bridge that yeah one   of the things we're doing differently this year 
is one of our last weeks in a August is typically   underrepresented because of the school season 
starts and so we've got 50 scholarships laid out   for local children uh and scambia County will help 
us determine who those kids are to come on a on a   day so it's day only so they don't spend the night 
uh but they're there for six consecutive days and   they have the same curriculum progr and I think 
that's fantastic and that's great but for the   ones who want it I want them to have the ability 
and uh so what percentage uh of local students   actually take advantage of the six day and are 
able to get into it it was a low percentage it   is it is a low percentage I think I'm not BL 
look I'm not assigning blame I want to find a solution so we've we've got through scholarships 
um 200 probably probably about 100 students and   then we've got 76 scholarships remaining so what 
percentage of the total what's the throughput for   year it's about 1,800 in the summertime so again 
that's a small percentage Yeah okay well we can I   mean at least we know what the Baseline is now and 
Jeff here's a challenge and I'd like to know what   titles went absolutely no blame but I do recognize 
that I I brought uh black aviators to town uh in   the first African-American ever go to the Moon 
uh we'll be going here in 2024 and unfortunately   there's a disproportionate amount of u black 
and brown children that who become aviators uh   and we're the Cradle of Navy Aviation it's kind 
of almost like 10 black kids can't swim when we   live you know with all this water surrounding 
us so it's to me if I'm going to sit here and   uh have this position how do we expose them it's 
great that they get the one- day trip I'm I go   all the way back with honor Bale with Starbase 
Atlantis I volunteered for Starbase Atlantis and   Peter boo is my mentor so I certainly recognize 
that I go to Annapolis every day and we still   have less than two not every day but once every 
other year I I go to Annapolis to help recruit   um young African-Americans to the academy to the 
blue glow officership but we are the cradle and   if the impediment is money and we're sitting on 
millions of dollars in a children trust uh it   was for the children and so I'm happy that there 
children coming from across this country uh to go   and uh become aviators or get exposed and that's 
great I plot it uh but my responsibility is to the   children that are going in Title One schools in 
district three that doesn't have that exposure and   so I think that Jeff and our conversation was to 
be supportive and say you know I want the kids out   of global I want the kidss Lincoln Park Oak cred 
Cy Addis Court you know if it's just one what what   if we create another chappie James what I mean 
you know what an acculate for our community and   so I think we just want to help I I serve on the 
children trust but we as a county I think was just   simply saying that we will be very supportive of 
you going up it's expensive it costs I don't think   that it's free I think that we've already paid for 
it through the children trust I would love to be   supportive of you coming and looking and telling 
us what we need to do to support and I'd love to   know the actual outcomes of how many kids in Title 
One schools and how many minority kids are going   to the seven- day class uh at their base because 
children live here in this town uh particularly   poor black children they never get to go on 
their base they never get to go on their Beach   they never get to go to their downtown we have an 
opportunity to expose them and so that's where my   position is and I want to be supportive but I 
do have concerns I I think we share the exact   same position and again if you look at star base 
star base was a place to start that so get those   you know 100% of those titles one students out to 
the academy for five different days and and that   changes lives um and so I look forward to looking 
for a solution where we can continue to expose uh   and the academic year is a great time to be able 
to do it um we can also do it over the summer but   a lot of different options there um I am a non 
for profit uh but I'm also a not for loss so I   just have toover those absolutely well I mean if 
if if money is the issue I mean I just don't want   that to be the impediment or or the excuse I mean 
what what does it ca when when we have to have a   a crime of a kid killing a kid that's hundreds of 
thousands of dollars I don't want a child to not   have the opportunity to go on their base in their 
community and we say that it's because of money I   mean to me that's just unacceptable we figure 
out how to find the money if there's a child   that's promising that's working hard that's doing 
everything that he's supposed to do and he just   needs a seven I mean a 7-day trip to the base 
will change an in cic kid's life and he may be   intrigued to want to go and serve in one of our 
armed forces and our Naval Academy at West Point   and so we just want to give them that opportunity 
for to continuing to work with you all to come up   with longer term Solutions thank you any other 
question I just want to thank you I can't for   watching picking up on the discussion and coming 
down and brief us the colleagues had several good   questions I had one question I want you to clarify 
you said Santa Rosa had 3,000 students I think   we said were a little over 700 what's what what's 
the real difference why is that I don't understand   so so traditionally Santa Rosa has embraced the 
program more than Escambia County uh and I think   for Escambia County it boils down to busing um 
because that's the only cost actually so it's SC   be in Santa Rosa County each provide a teacher 
that's on site so they help facilitate that   program uh but the only other cost of the county 
is you know busing to get kids back and forth we   pick up we Bear all the other other cost of the 
program okay so maybe we need to work with our   school board members okay and also since I you're 
here I want to thank you for the meeting the the   day on the back base I had some good productive 
uh feedback obviously you guys hosted it and   thanks so much it it was useful and a lot of good 
feedback came out of I know we had a little work   to go thank you sir thanks for your engagement 
Admiral thank you so much I I really appreciate   it and is the busing an issue I mean they're not 
that that's my understanding and U so when you   know Dr Smith was here you know this will be my 
first opportunity to really have a conversation   uh and walk through each of the programs uh with 
Keith Leonard and so um I can come back to you you   know with a some sort of more formal answer but 
that's everything that we've heard in the past   is you know it's a busing issue for um Escambia 
County well I mean that that'd be very unfortunate   and I'll certainly talk to Schoolboard member 
Williams that would be very disappointing I mean   as much as you're giving if they're not bringing 
Transportation but I I tell you I will bring it   forward to this board that the school board will 
not provide transportation for these disadvantaged   children we have an ecat system and we will I 
mean I think that it's their responsibility but   if you're going to tell me that we're not going 
to take inner city children to their base I mean   we'll figure that out if we got to you know 
do it from our ecat wonderful all right thank   you so much thank you thank you yes sir all right 
board we do have one more public speaker uh Cara Lavin good morning good morning um I'm here to 
speak um I'm kind of trying to get my foot in   the door about a uh well more opportunities for 
women coming out of the scambia G the scambia   county jail um as of right now of course the camp 
5 um is more of a rehabilitation for men and um   I'm here to speak about maybe getting or what 
your thoughts are for a camp five for women um   more opportunities for women to have trades as far 
as getting out and um doing something other than   what they're used to doing getting in um as you 
as you know they have of course um they weld you   know they have the training for dogs and as of 
right now we are um we are at the dog pound and   I was going to see if maybe we couldn't utilize 
some of those kennels to help rehabilitate some   of these dogs in Red Zone and rehabilitate some 
of these women um I know that we really don't   have the funding for it but I was going to go to 
chur churches and maybe go to the streets about   anything and everything we can get our hands 
on for more opportunities for women in a scambi   County Jail super yeah thank you I appreciate you 
guys yep good idea board that is um that's all the   speakers for public forum if there's no opposition 
I would just do do we need a break for a couple   minutes or just adjourn and reconvene everybody 
good okay all right we're just going to adjourn   and reconvene adjourn public for convene agenda 
the board of County Commissioners regular meeting   April 22nd 9 9:13 a.m. please turn yourself 
into the vibrate silence or off setting the   board of County Commissioners allows any person to 
speak regarding an item on the the agenda speaker   will be limited to 3 minutes unless otherwise 
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abusive or profane remarks disruptive Outburst   protest or any other conduct which interferes with 
the orderly conduct of the meeting upon completion   of the public comment period discussion will be 
limited to board members and questions raised by   the board invocation this morning commissioner 
ker Pastor low if you'll please come up he's my   pastor from all of Baptist Warrington if we'll 
please stand he'll give us our invocation see good morning Mr chairman members of the board 
county staff I want to read a blessing to you   from The Book of Ruth may the Lord reward you 
for what you have done and may you receive a full   reward from The Lord of God of Israel under whose 
Wing You' have come for Refuge let's pray together   father God I thank you so much for these ladies 
and gentlemen who have set themselves aside for   public service God I pray that you would give 
them the wisdom of Solomon and the patience of   Job God as they help a scambia county God govern 
God and uh provide a safe and a wonderful place   for people to live and recreate and work God I 
pray for them God I pray like I said that you   would give them wisdom God I pray that you would 
bring Unity God to this group as they seek God to   bring about the best for this County God I thank 
you for the joy of a beautiful day that you've   given us God we thank you for for your grace and 
your mercy God I pray today God that you would be   glorified through the proceedings of this board 
and this commission God I thank you for Jesus and   I pray in his name today amen amen commissioner 
May will you lead us in the pledges yes sir   please join me in the pledge I pledge flag United 
States of America the stand na indivisible andice thank you thank you Mike you're welcome thank 
you Lumen any items to be added to the agenda   uh and Kristen hu uh assistant County attorney 
is uh sitting with the board this morning any   items to be add at this agenda CH yes sir thank 
you commissioner Mike No Sir Mr chairman nothing   for me mik I do have to add something I need to 
add a thousand to this scami County um Sheriff's   of foundation for the Blazer Society I lost the 
donut eating on PVC pipe to representative salsman okay is that is that good reflected into the dice 
that's good okay um I don't have anything Comm uh   Mr administrator all right thank you uh entertain 
motion to adopt the agenda so move Mr chairman all   right please vote item passes 4 to zero and uh 
again uh we will be be voting by by hand this   morning commissioner for commissioner May uh 
thank you Mr chairman I I do want to thank all   those who participated in the um fair housing um 
this weekend um human relations and in our housing   department uh Tim Claire Joe Glover uh Leroy and 
and all those it was a a great event um want to   thank our staff that's working hard on our summer 
uh youth program uh had an unprecedented amount of   young people who have applied and uh you know the 
great thing I want to applaud the staff that you   know we have 27 plus people who are young people 
who are now full-time um employees of the county   who started in our summer employment program and 
we didn't have to spend money recruiting them or   advertising them they found us they worked they 
were vetted and I do appreciate it and to all   of the Departments that are giving young people 
a chance I want to apply those departments and   encourage other departments uh that sometimes 
it's challenging uh to bring young people in   because we feel like they get in the way but 
uh we need to give them an opportunity training   costs opportunity cost and so I encourage our 
directors uh and our Administration uh to make   sure that we're exposing uh many of these young 
people as we just talk to the Admiral never get   an opportunity to go outside of their environment 
they will never get an opportunity to work uh in   these different settings and so to all of our 
non for-profit Partners uh and to our directors   to our constitutionals uh we hope that you will 
open the door uh to accept uh more of our young   people who are trying to get to get a job and do 
want to thank Mr McBride ker Escarosa they've been   a partner for years and unfortunately uh State 
funding uh prohibited them from helping so I   want to thank my colleagues uh for thinking uh how 
important this program is for the children of scam   County and um Jeff it's one of the things I've 
said to staff and it's unfortunate that our staff   has not um gone to Children trust because that's 
an important program for those 18 and other I mean   to give them a job and give them money and Abol 
so well I see director Hall Wesley Hall and and   you know I hope that Claire and those will be you 
know bringing forth something to Children trust to   make sure that we can increase uh children and 
not turn them around to extra funding so thank   you Mr chairman yes sir commissioner go thank you 
Mr chairman and first and foremost I want to thank   uh the gentlemen and ladies in the attendance in 
attendance here and and in particular my fellow   board members for um moving this meeting for me I 
had a very important conference in Sarasota last   week that uh that necessitated my attendance so 
much appreciated uh appreciated that uh I want to   I want to reach out and thank uh Sheriff Simmons 
he had a great a great event in our district in   district one at the uh five flag Speedway it 
was cops cars and crawfish and they allowed me   to be a guest judge for the cars and I I tell you 
I'm not I'm not a car guy but uh there were some   really amazing Vehicles out there and all for 
a good cause all for the sheriff's Foundation   who and he's got a number of programs you talk 
about Youth Development the Blazer Academy the   and the other programs that they're doing 
just fantastic for the for the kids in our   community so congratulations to uh Whitney Lucas 
and Sheriff Simmons and and all the men and women   out there and all the people who brought cars it 
was a great event familyfriendly positive very   very good um I also want to talk about a little 
bit about the roundabout at purito Key one of   the things I I did see when I was in Sarasota was 
roundabouts that work right roundabouts that work   that are large where the roads are centered on 
the middle of the roundabout where you actually   have to turn and make a turn unfortunately for 
me I inherited a roundabout in District 1 that   uh it's of a substandard size and I'm getting 
a number of complaints about it it's just uh   it's it's just not working we've attempted minor 
tweaks we've we've had a number of people just   drive right through the middle of it because it's 
so small uh We've applied rumble strips but the   rumble strips that were put in were extremely 
aggressive so the folks don't like that but I   just wanted uh everyone to know that the entire 
staff is looking at that um they're going to bring   a plan to enlarge it of of an appropriate size 
at Center the lanes or demo it and put a traffic   light there um but as it is as it is constructed 
there right now it's not working it's backing up   the traffic people are angry so I just want folks 
to know we're looking at that we're going to find   a solution and we're going to we're going to 
implement the right solution um two weeks two   weeks ago we did have the ADC conference in 
Washington DC there's a number of big issues   and and I know that that this sentiment has been 
echoed from the board but 52% 52% of our economy   locally is generated from DOD expenditures in our 
community not just in Pensacola but in Santa Rosa   County throughout the Panhandle and there are a 
number of really hot button issues that need to   be uh on the front burner up there so we had 
a very very productive conversation with the   Admiral who runs every base in the world he's 
in charge of every base in the world and we had   a very intimate meeting with him and we talked 
about the need for a Child Development Center at   whing field the need for additional funding for 
the hangers uh and particularly the one that's   condemned at NAS Pensacola and also we talked 
about traffic out the back gate we talked about   ways to uh amarate that that's a real problem I 
mean we love the Blue Angels we certainly never   want to move the practices off of the base we 
want to keep them right there we want to keep   that mission here but there's a number of things 
that have to happen so appreciated the opportunity   to go up there I appreciate the participation by 
Todd Thompson the chairman of the seat uh of the   uh uh Chamber of Commerce Debbie panko the the 
executive director Northwest Florida defense   communities um Colton Wright commissioner Colton 
Wright from Santa Rosa County joined us as well   and it was very productive so I appreciate that 
and appreciate the rescheduling of this meeting   uh this week we're going to have a coffee with 
the commissioner live at pido Key we're gonna   I'm sure talk about the roundabouts we're going 
to talk about a lot of issues anything you all   want to talk about with me join us at 6:30 a.m. 
at the visitors center right on PTO key drive and   we can talk about all that things 6:30 to 7:30 
there's a couple exciting announcements that are   going to be made about lifeguards at p key at our 
public beach access and we've been working very   hard I appreciate the board's support for that 
something that's desperately needed last year   sadly we had three deaths from one family um they 
were visiting from out of town and they did not   Unfortunately they did not uh realize the danger 
of these rip tides and when one got in trouble   another one went in then that one got in trouble 
the third one went in they all drowned so um we're   going to do everything we can and I'm glad that 
one year later removed from that we're going to   have lifeguards at Puro key first time first time 
and we're going to do it so we're going to talk   about that I look forward to that discussion also 
going to talk about the Lilian boat ramp brand   new uh 39 acre facility that's just about ready I 
know they're having some issues with dewatering it   was supposed to be open by now but it's been the 
culmination of a six and a half year project and   very excited to bring that and then finally we're 
going to talk about uh a new station 20 um there's   there's been a 5-year effort to get property from 
the Navy on Bower Road to replace station 20 U   my understanding is we have that paperwork 
now so uh pay attention and stay tuned for   very exciting announcement for all those residents 
in Paradise Beach that have been without fire   service coverage um it's coming and I appreciate 
everyone's work on that thank you Mr chairman yep   commission col actually just on what Jeff said I 
actually help facilitate that land transfer for   them it's not in my district but I'm proud to do 
that and help and I want clarification Jeff that   Admiral gray is only over the Navy installations 
not not all the bases well the all the Navy B yeah   not but I think you said the whole world oh did 
I yeah I gave my promotion mik I know all right   last time we were here um we were notified that 
there was a fire out off G Beach Highway and um   as you know it was a pretty extensive fire next 
day I went out and did a site visit out there and   I can't express how much uh our fire department 
saved those houses of Mary Ellis if you went out   there and saw it um the vinyl on the back side 
of several of the houses had been burnt down   you would not have believed that they could have 
survived uh there were multiple parties we were   going to do a proclamation today but we'll move 
that forward till we can get all all everyone   here but after talking to the forest service it 
takes them about 50 minutes to get down there they   stayed there for two days um Nas fire department 
out there there were multiple trucks out there I   don't want to miss anyone but awesome job on Save 
and personal property you can express it that's   what the county does for you in tough times and 
that was an unbelievable job um I'm going to go   through a few things one one thing on Monday the 
governor came to um our district it's always good   when the Govern comes to you know uh District 
2 that had to do a little bit about the Triant   money um I wrote a letter for Dr Ru for that and 
I never thought they're going to get $7 million   but what's more important than that is what that 
schools haven't help but what's happening outside   of that school this board has helped change 
and Dr Ruiz actually pulled me aside after the   governor left some of the things that we've done 
around G uh Old corfield Road Lex and Terrace Park   the blight on Navy that's all because the board 
had voted for that and it's those small changes   that're starting to take that failing school and 
hopefully they'll have some success so I just want   you to know the governor notices that um Charter 
USA knows that and we'll see where they end up   April's military child month if you have kids that 
were over in the military like my kids they had to   leave we had to go to DC I had to go down to GMO 
they were born in Oakland and Guam and all over   the place but these kids are displaced they go 
through different challenges and um it's just   important to know recognize them this month all 
right I got some sta staff shout outs on Tuesday   we did the neighborhood CRA at Warrington as you 
know uh Neighborhood Services Everett and Max Max   is kind of the lead on this Sherry we had about 
40 people maybe even more I don't know but Alexan   Terrace was completely packed with people writing 
comments on the wall what they wanted out of   their Community how to revitalize the around the 
base um very very productive meeting we have one   more on May 28th and um I just I I can't applaud 
Neighborhood Services for the work they did the   very next night we had um a meeting out at Puro 
States and this is where your County government   is doing their job again that neighborhood is 
flooded for 20 years I came in and I asked um   legal the County Administrator engineering to come 
up with a plan they did it's not the best plan   when you have to put an msbu together but it's a 
plan where these folks can have some sort of um   if they accept the msbu uh flood flood protection 
and um I appreciate what engineering Stefan your   shop coming out in finance um Public Works Jamie 
was there it was a tough talk but I think when   we left there people felt um happy that we had 
the conversation and that the county came up   with some sort of solution so we'll see if we get 
there on um yesterday I got to thank keep B called   Beautiful they went out around Westco we cleaned 
up 10 blocks around Myrtle Grove uh Charles bear   was there and I can't think him enough for that 
it was a it was a good day and then this weekend   if you don't know I went to TDC I guess was 
it Monday or Tuesday and good H Hope Cemetery   has been blighted the church can't maintain it 
homeless have taken it over when I brought this   up last time we had a cry out to the office the 
news covered it we're probably going to have 50   to 100 people show up behind kesco on Saturday 
multiple military units all of Baptist Baptist   Warrington Church we're going to have Good Hope 
Church several black leaders uh Ellison Bennett   Marcel Davis and we're going to start working on 
making that a better site for people that have   been neglected for some time and it's the right 
thing to do and and the last thing I want to say   I know a few of you will know this person um Neil 
Davis is a retired Navy Captain he was in the Navy   for I think 35 years 13 pay grades he's being 
buried today out at um baranis his wife was the   chairman of the Republican party for many years 
um he was engaged in that and um I'm thinking   about you U both Dorothy and everyone there 
today at branas thank you Mr chairman thank you   commissioner I want to uh that t TC mentioned TDC 
board meeting that you mentioned last week Mike   and uh you know obviously I think Jeff was there 
as well but the funding for the base Center was a   was a big deal that made it that made it through 
there that uh that $10 million from existing   funds obviously that's a uh you know that's a 
component of of the uh of the improvements that   we're hoping to do at the Baye Center um which 
is also going to be paired with uh you know with   a large debt placement utilizing the TDC the bed 
tax revenue that we create um you know already um   you know that those improvements at the base 
Center will be paired with that multi-use   multi-use facility Ash Brenan and the consultant 
is uh Consultants wrapping up the feasibility   and cost uh cost analysis all of those things I 
believe they're going to be intending to uh make   a presentation to the board at the beginning 
of June that's the that's the hope there um   couple things I want to shout out to Mike roads 
and Parks and Rec a couple of you know they had   very successful couple of weeks um the Saturday 
after our last board meeting uh Ashton Brenham   where we've hosted the SEC women's tournament the 
last couple of Seasons hosted around Robin with   Mississippi State LSU and University of Florida 
coming up and playing three soccer matches on   Saturday afternoon on the 6th of April and uh 
it was paired with the Texans having I don't   know if it was a big tournament or just games or 
whatever but there were thousands of people out   of Ashton Brenham on that Saturday uh when it took 
kids out there to watch uh to watch some college   soccer so it was it was packed uh packed with 
people even without the even without the round   robin SEC tournament but the field looked great 
uh talking to some of the conference leadership   as well some of the uh some of the team coaches 
they all seemed very very positive and pleased   with again the the state of the field uh the state 
of the field the state of the park as well as the   reception that they received from uh from scambia 
County Citizens again um they were they stayed at   the beach and you know enjoyed uh you know enjoyed 
that while they were partaking in their in their   soccer matches and then uh one thing that's on the 
that's on the agenda today but you know may not   get a lot of discussion at the time is going to 
be uh the culmination of a a long process uh back   and forth with International Paper about leasing 
the property where they operated a golf course in   cantonement at Mogi Road for many many they the 
golf course operated for many many years um and   we're you know uh things working with publicly 
traded companies are uh you know often a little   bit slower than uh you know government things 
are slow and then those companies are probably   even slower um so we you know nearly ticked off 
three years of uh of back and forth to get an   agreement in place but you I want to thank uh 
the current Mill manager Hunter Morris as well   as uh the former Mill manager Scott Taylor it was 
really uh this this lease really was the product   of conversations that he and I started having in 
the summer of uh uh summer of 2021 uh you know   trying to come out of come out of Co and uh find 
something that would really be a good partnership   the golf course had been uh wasn't being operated 
at that time by for a couple of years so they were   looking for a use and uh and we were looking 
for you know looking for an amenity for our for   our constituents so uh also want to thank Whitney 
Fike and then uh Mike rhs and Adam Reed and all of   the folks in parks and wreck as well as know she's 
not here today but Alison Rogers uh spent a lot of   time working with the IP's general counsel going 
back and forth between Memphis and New York to uh   to get an agreement to the point that we're ready 
to have it on the board uh on the board meeting   today uh so that's very exciting um Steve yes so 
because you know I have dear friends like Joe Mack   up up there what are you doing what what are you 
doing at that golf course so what we're looking   to do is uh so and you know part of part of this I 
want to thank Stefan uh hall for you know kind of   figuring out the funds part of it so um it's going 
to be a uh a lease rather than an acquisition of   the property so we're limited we're uh you know 
local option sales tax money on the property is   not necessarily an option so the brick and mortar 
Things Are are somewhat limited again because you   know we don't we don't own the property uh but we 
are going to have a pavilion as well as a you know   as well as a nice playground and then a walking 
Track large walking Track around all the property   and uh an 18 hole uh disc golf course and all of 
uh you know I don't know the layout of the layout   of all the amenities I think the Pavilion will be 
you know on the western side of the property close   to where there used to be a there was a clubhouse 
at one time on the western side of the golf course   I don't know ex I would think the playground 
would be somewhere in that vicinity and then   the disc gol May mirror the current Golf Course 
to some degree you know on utilizing some of the   layout of the holes um and then so be it'll be a 
public golf course a public disc golf course yeah   yeah and uh then a in a in a large public walking 
Track I think that uh that's going to allow for I   don't know mile and a half or mile and a half or 
so of a walking Track out there something like   that maybe two miles it's it's pretty lengthy um 
so it's it's very exciting well I think that the   cantom uh neighborhood association is pretty 
excited I've talked to a few of them because   they're my friends and all those kids are wh 
line and that Cantonment ballpark they don't   have a lot so yeah it's it's exciting I was uh out 
with some folks at Carver Park on Friday afternoon   and yeah they did they did seem excited right by 
Joe's house but yeah uh it's uh I think they're   excited they're also very excited about the uh 
you know about finally moving forward with their   facility uh on the footprint of Carver Park that's 
very exciting you know there's uh you know some   sometimes and you know I know we we deal with 
this over you know over the years uh as we work   with nonprofits there's often people that will 
tell them well you know I'll do this for you and   I'll do that for you yeah sometimes those things 
don't sometimes those other partners don't really   uh you know don't it doesn't really work out the 
way even if it's as well- intended as it could be   um it doesn't really work out you know it's uh 
people will tell you well just go get $100,000   from here and $100,000 from there and that's 
sometimes more challenging than it uh than it   sounds like when somebody else is telling you to 
go get somebody else's money so I think they're I   think the group is is excited to be moving forward 
with a a great amenity you know and another uh you   know driving through there right now the the 
area looks great and you start thinking about   a you know another million to a million and a 
half uh of public facility on the property it's   going to be a great thing you know they can do 
they can do a lot in you know 3,200 plus square   feet in there to uh benefit that Community yeah 
I mean and Stephen when we don't get a chance to   talk I mean we have so much bad news it's good to 
have you know good news every now and then there   quite a bit if quite a bit of good news yeah 
yeah yeah I don't know if it negates the bad   news that we get daily but uh there are so many 
inner city Urban kids you know coming down from   Century in that area uh and their lack of exposure 
to golf their lack of exposure to tennis uh into   those things I mean the um track teams that that 
they're doing now um for a lot of kids and they   doing over at Washington High School uh a good 
track for kids coming out of that area gives   them a different opportunity other than just footb 
football or baseball uh so any support that I can   give to you on this board to make that available 
to those kids I mean I know you have a lot of low   income areas and particular from Sentry those kids 
just don't have a lot to do it's not a lot of them   and what I was talking to a group about Steve is 
y'all probably going to have to make your way down   closer to cantonement because you know you don't 
have the population to do the programs we tried to   do some programs with children trust but they just 
couldn't generate the amount of kids but if we can   get something closer to them rather than them 
having to come down to a tennis court you know   in esamia County at oest or a track or a 
golf some of those kids have never been on   a golf they don't even know what a golf club is 
neither do I but still that at least you can you   can expose it to them yeah and it's cutting you 
know it's cutting that commute at least in half   you know if they're coming to you know coming to 
cantonement rather than uh making their way all   the way to town and um you know I did talk to talk 
to some folks that are uh that are coaching up at   Sentry this year this spring for wck baseball 
yeah it's a it's a banner year uh you know they   got I 13 14 teams for the first time in more than 
a decade you know their participation is a lot is   up a lot at that wck Park so that's that was good 
to hear it's created a little bit of problems for   him that you know with space and some of that 
stuff but it's uh just having that participation   again is uh you know is good so would you know 
they certainly need they certainly need as much   good news as we need so Absol it's funny that you 
say the baseball and I know Mike does a great job   and we're partnering with the city over at Raymond 
riddle but it it's challenging uh particularly in   cities for baseball it's it's become so expensive 
lack of volunteers uh the cost of bats I mean it's   just it's a big challenge so uh if and it's not 
just a crisis in scami County it's a crisis across   this country getting Urban kids to play baseball 
I mean uh they've almost abandoned it and people   say well they just not interested well it's 
challenging uh you know every practice you lose   five balls and the ball cost $10 a ball you got to 
have a $500 bat we we just you know particular in   District three you know I'm a little disappointed 
in the lack of baseball uh that's happening for   um inner city children and so hopefully you know 
we can do something uh to help that I know you're   doing a much better job in the North End uh with 
the disadvantage baseball than we're doing here   uh it's you I tell you one one of the issues that 
you know one of the issues that Cent has that that   we've been able to help with you know uh one of 
the things we took off the associations you know   11 or 12 years ago was the maintenance maintenance 
of the parks themselves Mowing and you know   keeping it up and those kind of things um within 
the town limits they they don't necessarily have   that they're still you know the the town the 
town of century isn't necessarily uh capable of   taking those responsibilities off of the wreck 
Association so you know some of those they're   having some of those problems that we were having 
10 or 12 years ago with fees being you know fees   being very high for participation and that's uh 
you know and that's a you know that's a challenge   so that may be something we have to look at next 
year I think see that's a good point I don't know   what the number is Michael Rose would know it 
when we first got elected I know we implement   it to taking care of those parks that was on 
the backs of Belleview murder Grove Ensley all   those Parks um and that we absorbed that cost 
so we can make sure that no child's left behind   that every child gets an opportunity to play so 
that was a pretty heavy lift but now that we've   done it for so many years it kind of becomes 
standard operations but you know that's why   you know it's important to me that no child is 
Deni an opportunity to play because of funds I   mean because at the end of the day we are taking 
on you know the maintenance of the field it's very   important absolutely commissioner all right board 
Mr administrator thank you Mr chairman I'd like to   ask Andy Gibson if she could come forward Andy's 
uh one of our professional young ladies at work in   our CMR division Department Andy has just received 
the 2024 Communicator of the Year award from the   Pensacola chapter of the Florida public relations 
Association on April 18th 2024 the criteria was   the communicator of the Year award is given to a 
public relations professional or Andor agency who   demonstrates outstanding skills in any of the 
following categories Communications for nonprofit   or government organization Communications for a a 
for-profit organization or crisis Communications   Andy is a diligent hardworking Communicator for 
esey County as a County's Public Information   officer she works daily with local and National 
media members to provide pertinent information to   Residents and visitors additionally she 
works with County departments to share   their message with the community including 
information about County Services upcoming   events and and things that are important to County 
related news Andy his dedication to her career is   reflected by how she communicates with our Media 
Partners our Media Partners play a vital role in   how our citizens are informed by their local 
government she understands the importance of   effectively and accurately communicating 
this information to our Media Partners   and maintains a positive and collaborative 
relationship with all of our media I love   working with Andy I know she has supported a lot 
of y'all's events through the years here in the   of the CMR Department Andy congratulations on the 
award you do a fantastic job for us thank you so much yeah congratulations yeah thank you 
um I'm just want to say thank you to the   Pensacola chapter of uh Florida public 
relations Association for selecting me   for this award um I want to thank Davis wood my 
uh counterpart and other Pio for nominating me   you don't have to be a member of our chapter to 
win this award um there are tons of wonderful   other PR and Communications Professionals in 
Pensacola so to be selected for this award   is a huge honor so thank you very much and thank 
you Davis congratulations again Mr chairman Andy   I want to publicly thank you I mean because 
most of our work is done on weekends and at   nights and town halls and and Gatherings you 
never rush you're always there and you just   treat the citizens with so much care I mean 
Steve you talk about a good public servant   we always talk about Andy um you are the rising 
star and I appreciate what you do in my district   thank you thank you so much and I'll see you 
at Rosman Johnson Beach day on Saturday May   4th we'll be there thank you thank you Andy 
Mr administrator anything else all right board   we'll move into the uh into the agenda entertain a 
motion to adopt the proclamations second thank you   please vote item passes 4 to zero uh Eric Gilmore 
if you might make your way forward this going to   be adopting the proclamation declaring the week 
of April 12 through April 20 as National Public   Safety telecommunications week in scambi county 
in honor of the men and women whose diligence   and professionalism keeps our County safe Eric 
you've got the floor thank you sir good morning   Commissioners uh as they make their way up to 
the front I want to talk a little bit about   these fine men and women who uh do our 911 or 
Communications are The Unsung unseen Heroes of   our First Responders and not only are they great 
communicators with the public in a crisis they're   also psychologists they're also social workers 
uh they do it all so when they take that 911 call   there's no telling what hat they have to put 
on uh to meet the need of the citizen that's   calling them so uh we did have telecommunicator 
uh Communications week was last week but uh we   do want to give the proclamation for them and 
whereas Public Safety telecommunicators are the   first enforce U most critical contact citizens 
have at our Emergency Services these dedicated   men and women are First Responders and are more 
than anonimous voices on the telephone line they   are Public Safety telecommunication professionals 
who quickly respond to over 200 116,000 emergency   calls every year in Escambia County and 
emergency responders rely on their knowledge   and professionalism to make critical decisions 
obtain information and quickly dispatch needed   Aid Public Safety telecommunicators are the single 
vital link to our law enforcement firefighters   Emergency Services by monitoring their activities 
By Radio providing them information and ensuring   their safety Public Safety telecommunicators 
have saved countless lines Prov by providing   step-by-step instructions to render Aid prior 
to First Responders arriving on scen the work   of these unson first unseen First Responders 
is invaluable in emergency situations and each   of these dedicated men and women deserve our 
heartfelt appreciation citizens Place their   trust in these individuals not just this week 
but every day of the year and every emergency   dispatcher 911 call Taker and radio and telephone 
technician exhibit compassion understanding and   professionalism during the performance of 
their job while assisting those in need now   therefore be it proclaimed that the board of 
County Commissioners hereby declared a week of   April 14th through April 20th 202 2 4 National 
Public Safety telecommunicators Week in honor   the men and women whose diligence and professional 
keep our County safe 24 hours a day 7 days a week   365 days a year Board of County Commissioners 
Steven Barry chair Jeff BOS District 1 Michael   kler District 2 and lumma May District 3 
thank you'all very much for what you do so [Applause] I just want to say thank you for everybody 
Communications um people don't understand   what all they go through U sh how many 
years you have how many you Chen has 20   years there Robin has 19 chenet is second 
generation now one dispatcher it's a lot to   go through a lot of time away from families 
a lot of stress so I just want to appreciate   every you know appreciate y'all and appreciate 
them with what they do thank y'all thank you y and sir just real quick um I want to introduce 
Morgan Pope uh she's um one of our EMTs with a   scambi County EMS she lives in Okaloosa County and 
we want to kind of recognize her and just put her   in the for uh Spotlight here just just real quick 
minute if you indulge me uh she lives in Okaloosa   County and while she was off duty she had the 
she unfortunately had to respond to her next   door neighbor a 2-year-old child uh was faced down 
in a pool for oh no we don't minutes 5 minutes uh   downtime so the neighbor came knowing that Morgan 
was one of our EMTs ran next door grabbed Morgan   come help out help out with the child Morgan 
did started CPR before anybody got there and   got Ros what we call Ro return of circulation to 
the two-year-old child uh while the child had she   gave the child every bit of opportunity to to to 
revive itself and for the responders to get there   unfortunately the child did pass but she 
did the initial response got the initial   Ros Okaloosa County is going to kind of uh do 
our appreciation for her but you know being   our employee and proud of what she does off 
duty and using her skill set we do want to   recognize her too and thank you say thank 
you Morgan for what you do on and off duty   and level professionalism you you exhibited 
so while the outcome wasn't what we wanted   uh she did give that child every chance uh to 
fight while the responders got there so thank   you for allowing me to take this time to uh 
Comm in at Morgan Pope uh front of the board so Mr chairman Mr chairman Eric uh this weekend 
at the fair housing uh there was a young lady um   whose blood pressure went up fainted fell out uh 
and I want to just thank the fire department and   your EMS guys uh for quickly responding we got 
it to the hospital and probably had they not   been their setup it would have you know probably 
been way worse than it really was so I do want to   uh thank your guys and thank your team uh for 
being there and responding Deputy fire chief   was there uh and a lot of your other teams your 
EMS guys were there and they did a great job uh   in responding and with extra special care for the 
lady and she ended up at Baptist uh but she's um   better now so thank you for thank you sir thank 
you for acknowledgement thank you Eric stay there   just a second Mr chairman if I Morgan thank you so 
much I just have a question when we have a staff   member that um is with the patient when they die 
like that is there some sort of After hot wash or   conversation for their own mental health so we 
do so you it's going to be a to responder how   they process it and everything uh but we do offer 
our peer support team so uh even with our on duty   Personnel when they run across a bad situation 
uh the peer support teams activated for to go   talk now this it's there for them if they want 
it great if they don't want it it's up to them   it's how they process their grievance and how 
they're processing the scene in their mind but   we do activate the peer support team and even 
though she was off duty it still it impacts her   and peer support team was activated for her she 
she did take advantage of it and then we uh if she   needs further if anybody needs anything further 
past that then we offer that up in the county as   well but yes we do yes sir no that's awesome 
I just want to make sure we had Sports system   burn out we have to we burn out his bit yes sir 
absolutely thank you Mr chairman one last thing   u i he walked in in the former mayor and Farmer 
County Commissioner District 4 um former mayor   Grover Robinson and commissioner I thought he was 
coming to take that seat this morning is why I   thought he was here but but he he still sat down 
there so I thought he was coming up so the seats   open Grover yeah I certainly want to recognize 
our our colleague of a three-term commissioner   from District 4 as well as as well as mayor and 
a six-year colleague of uh of uh a number of us   on the dice so Y and we rumors that he's going 
to take that seat back so congratulations let   let the rumor start here um they did the clerk's 
office re receive proof of publication Mr chairman   the clerk's office I apologize uh Item B which 
was a second Proclamation we're going to drop   uh we're going to drop this morning a motion 
to drop that all right please vote item pass   is 4 to Zer I apologize did the clerk's office 
receive proof of publication Mr chairman the   clerk's office has received all proofs all right 
I entertain a motion to wave the reading second   all right please vote item pass is 4 to Zer 901 
public hearing uh for concerning proposed Grant   application for the 5339 funding all right board 
we do have two public speakers first one's Larry DS Larry DS junr pluming LLC because vle matters 
all right uh this is some of that that free that   free grant money you know the the free grant 
Ferry this is this is just amazing that y'all   are going to uh keep I mean I get it you can 
hardly can hardly keep from just grabbing free   money it's hard to do it's hard to do even if it 
if it's against even if it goes to our own demise   can't can't we got to get it look at this $14.1 
million $2.9 million for this is one of them for   $935 Ft electric buses not to mention the charging 
stations uh 2.4 million uh training this is just   amazing I mean I'm sitting here going I wonder 
if they know that we're destroying the planet   trying to save the planet it's amazing how what 
kind of stress is this going to put on our grid   you know uh this is on our roads how heavy are 
these buses I mean they must have giant freaking   batteries that require what uh hold on hold on I 
got to I got a I got it screenshotted here cuz I   just happened to share one of these last night 
to manufacture to manufacture one Tesla battery   for a little old bitty car for a little bitty car 
12 12 tons of rock for lithium that's what's got   to be moved 5 tons of cobalt minerals sh this 
is just mindblowing three tons of nickel ore   12 tons of copper ore you must move 250 tons of 
soil to obtain 26.5 lb of lithium 30 30 lb of   nickel 48.5 lbs of magnesium or magnes 15 lbs 
of cobalt are are we are we kidding ourselves   here I mean are y'all just going to go along 
with this y'all just going to keep getting the   free money like the co money just h it's coming 
I got to do it stop doing it you can always say   no it's just like drugs just say no especially 
Pharmaceuticals just say no next speaker is Glenn Conrad good morning Commissioners um I'd like to 
bring that topic of the 50 6 a little bit north of   $56 million Grant of course it's a grant that 
you're getting from the federal government so   you're going to approve it uh have no doubt but my 
issue is on a planning and priorities okay so for   $56 million the way I read the item on the items 
on the agenda uh you're going to buy some Capital   you're going to buy some electric buses no mention 
of return on investment no mention of long-term   maintenance no mention of what it's going to 
cost to us in future normal budgets when the   grant is gone that you're going to have to take 
money away to replace batteries to do maintenance   on the motors to do more road damage because Mr DS 
is correct they're very heavy um so this long-term   cost is what else is going to suffer I mean 
we have plenty of Road problems storm drainage   problems environmental problems schools homeless 
plenty of things that are in our budget already   that we can't pay for so now you're you're going 
to take this money buy Capital plant with as I can   read it no plan to maintain it long term are the 
current buses full are they obsolete do we have   the space are you going to incur more staff to do 
maintenance on electric bus buses that you then   have to pay retirements for uh those are things 
that are missing here so before this is approved   I'd like to see those kinds of issues addressed 
thank you thank you uh board that's all the public   speakers um any any comments any comments or 
questions for I just have a question since that is   a good comment Kimbo do we have a maintenance plan 
for this if do you mind talking about it because I   I I'm in I like grant money but I don't want after 
the grant money have to pay for it out of the   County uh board uh and and concerned citizens when 
it comes to these competitive grants 5339 grants   uh those are not Grant dollars that's actually uh 
uh guaranteed for us uh in the past scaming County   Area Transit over I want to say about two decades 
or or maybe even more uh have not even took the   time to even um apply for these competitive grants 
and the plan for the federal trer Administration   is actually what they are planning to for us all 
to go to the electric vehicles and so guess what   there is electric vehicles all throughout 
the state right now and there are none here   in Escambia County so we are actually currently 
behind the power curve but with those 5339 Grant   uh through FTA uh and through the state funding 
every one of those grants that you apply for there   actually is a training plan part of those dollars 
actually go to the maintenance training and the   maintenance training cost there are programs 
right now currently uh right now that's uh being   created um for right now in Palm Tran palm tr will 
actually be having a a an electric maintenance uh   uh Consortium that's actually uh being developed 
right now and guess what um we're never invited   because we don't have a seat at the table because 
we have not actually uh uh grew our actual service   so I want to say to any of the citizens that 
if anyone ever have a question in regards to   um electric vehicles just transit in within 
itself um please just reach out to me because   we are behind the power curve we we we're known 
as the prehistoric Transit Agency in the State of   Florida and there's a reason why our ridership is 
kind of well I'm not going to say low because we   had over 900,000 Riders last year but the reason 
why we we aren't where we are or where we should   be is simply because we haven't got got our ahead 
of this stuff and and again I want to see us have   not only just an efficient transit system but 
I would like us to see us compete uh in the   state Across the Nation and be one of the better 
trans agencies and we got a long way to go and   I need the support of all of you guys Rodriguez 
just for clarification You're simply requesting   a public hearing to put a Grant application with 
no guarantee that you'll receive the grant no uh   we put this in last year and and again we weren't 
we didn't even U make it to um we it sucks but um   again we put the gr application in last year we 
didn't even get it uh no one even sniffed us out   but I think this year uh being that uh you guys 
did help us uh get the new bus facility uh through   uh non-transit dollars uh again I think we have 
a good chance to be competitive and and this is   something that we actually need so no it's just 
you guys allowing us to actually just put it in   it's not we're not receiving any funding um but I 
do hope that we receive the funding because there   is it's a need well thank than you for going 
after dollars that are not on the backs of   the local taxpayers and not just sitting there um 
going alone to get along at least you're applying   for them whether we get them or not so at least 
you're putting some effort into it yes sir well   I've always been a winner and I would like our 
agency to be a winner so that's just my goal   hey Kimbo I appreciate what you're doing I know 
you're committed to the cause and so I I'll be   supporting it yes sir I definitely appreciate you 
all and the whole entire board and the citizens   if you really want to win you stop coaching at 
PHS and come I mean at pounds and come to PHS some some of his friends are PHS now yeah 
yeah yeah some of his friends are phss now   yeah all right board i' entertain a motion 
for the 901 public hearing to B through uh   for a through e Mr chairman I move the item 
a through e second thank you please vote item   passes 4 to zero 902 public hearing uh board 
we do have a couple of speakers Larry DS Jr Larry DS Junior plumming LLC because feal 
matters all right uh this is very we know   what this is this is another one the same thing 
and I get it I get it I understand uh you know   you just this is just for y'all to move forward 
for them to move forward with the grant process   and the grant process moving forward costs us 
money too you know people don't work for nothing so the unintended what are the unintended 
long-term adverse reactions going to be   going with this new Global agenda this 
whff world economic Forum CL swab Bill Gates idiocy I mean we know what it is y'all are 
part of it right now whether you like to admit it   or not you're part of it that we shouldn't be 
jumping on every B bandwagon that the federal   government and the world economic forum and 
Davos and the United Nations jumps on that's   where we're having some problems y'all can see 
that it's clear just like the covid vaccines it's   clear we're having some problems the long-term 
adverse reactions to free Federal money and it   is I mean it's not free y'all know that I'm being 
fa ious here it's it's costing us it's costing our   children our grandchildren our great grandchildren 
every time y'all vote every time that you vote for   more of this unlimited government overreach 
you're destroying our country even right here   locally thank you Mission obvious. comom 
thank you next speaker is Glenn Conrad so Mr chairman I hope I I'm addressing the pice 
Landing um no it's the same it's it's 902 it's a   another Grant application oh well I talked to 
both of them before I do have another uh chit   in with you for the place Landing topic okay 
thank you I got it thank you all right board   entertain a motion for uh a through e is uh I'm 
sorry a through e again on the 902 so moved thank   you second is there a second thank you Mike 
all those in favor please vote item pass is   4 to Zer 903 public hearing we don't have any 
speakers i' entertain a motion second all right   please vote 903 public hearing passes 4 to Z 
Madame clerk thank you I have two items on on   the consent agenda the first one are the returns 
that we received in March for the February stays   at our hotels and uh Etc the stays decreased 
by 6% you can see the backup D documents in   your package um I'd also like to comment on 
the TDC meeting um I believe chairman beay   is still on the misconception that the clerk 
received more than 3% over the last 10 12 years   any particular year I can't I can't figure 
out what he's talking about but he continues   to say that the clerk has received more than 
3% more than the statutes I would like to ask   Stefan Hall to provide some history of the 
county budgeting there was a budgeting plan   several years where the county budgeted 5% 
that did not go to the clerk the clerk has   never received more than 3% I've explained 
this to chairman be two or three years ago   I think it's going to take Wes someone in your 
staff to explain the history to him um it also   came out in the audit that the CH that the 
clerk did not receive more than 3% so maybe   you can provide Clarity of what's being said at 
the Das by the chairman because it's incorrect   thank you entertain a motion for the CLK I'm not 
finished thank you sir number two is minutes and   reports prepared by the clerk um I'd also like 
to give a thank you to Kristen hes who stepped   in last week we worked with Mission Square to 
get the notice out to have the monies for the   401a uh return to the County Treasury thank 
you entertain a motion for the clerk's report   so moved thank you is there a second please 
vote item passes four to zero Horus growth management good morning Commissioners 
uh gmr today we have four action items   for final plats uh item number one is plus 
Landing all right thank you board we do have   a couple of speakers you want do youall 
want to hear from them first is Meredith Bush good morning board mayth Bush 125 East 
in tendencia I'm here on behalf of clients   who live in the Navy Point neighborhood and we 
would be asking that you table the plus Landing   plat for this morning Navy Point has a system 
of Alleyways that are dedicated accepted and   maintained as public RightWay and we would 
like to ensure that those Alleyways remain   open and accessible as the RightWay um we would 
be asking the county to verify that the survey   that goes along with the plat is accurate and 
that the 15ot Alleyways remain open and free   for Access by vehicle and foot travel um 
the Alleyways form the adjacent boundary   of the plat on its Northwest and partially 
Southern border border um there should be   adequate buffering between the plat and Alleyways 
which is not provided in the plat additionally if   you look at what's actually on the ground the 
stubbed out portion of Jardine road which is   not within the plat has been extensively dug up 
and rebuilt to include a curb and gutter system   we provided to the county photographs of a 
stop sign and fire hydrant and storm drain   which are encroaching within the Alleyways 
there's a question as to whether the intent   is that Leroy pulson Lane a new road will 
substitute for the alley as it goes north   and turns East before the alley then continues 
Northeast and l l rep puls and continues East   we're basically asking that the county provide on 
the record assurances that the alleys adjacent to   plus Landing will remain open as a 15ft public 
RightWay per the Navy Point plat in decades of   use um Clark Partington again does represent 
owners within Navy point and our you know we   stand ready to take any appropriate legal action 
if this is not addressed prior to acceptance of   the plat happy to take any questions all right 
you're you're here as a as a as representing the   residents not the developer correct correct 
not the developer next speaker is Melissa Peno thank you chairman Barry I haven't been down 
here in a long time and it's really great to see   everybody um but I'm really disappointed that 
I have to be down here again with legal to try   to maintain these RS um I have never fought 
this development I mean both Horus Drew and   adore are really well aware that I've never done 
a single thing to fight this development whether   I like it or not because there's nothing to fight 
everything that they're doing is perfectly legal   per the Land Development code but what we do have 
is a 2year 4mon paper Trail going back and forth   with the planning department both myself and Clark 
Partington I'm really grateful for Meredith being   here today will dway has been taking the lead on 
this but he's out of town today um will has um   family members in Navy point that are impacted 
right now over this thing that developers and   owners are starting to argue that the Alleyways 
in Navy Point have migrated no they haven't so   in my opinion I'm not saying that this is my 
lawyer's opinion um their survey is incorrect   just as the survey is incorrect on Grief 
Court commissioner ker and right now uh the   code department is waiting um for documents from 
legal as I understand it to take that owner to   uh in front of the magistrate to get him to move 
his fence back from the alley so we have clearly   provided pictures and the unfortunate place this 
is putting residents and it will put the county is   that as I understand it the developers argument 
is that because the the the owners built their   fences too far into the alley that if we want to 
maintain our 15t RightWay in places the county is   going to have to make those owners pull-up fences 
that in some cases have been there since the 1950s so at the very beginning when I was talking 
to the Acquisitions person super nice guy from   adore I begged adore to part with the county and 
combine that R and make it a big prominade that   goes into you publicly accessible to everybody 
and I am grateful to adore that they're keeping   those roadways public and maintaining the 
connectivity of the neighborhood but I said   make a big prominade around it return the road 
to its previous Glory have Greenery you could   even do your garages in the back but instead 
they plopped a county paved row right next to a   County R alley no buffer in between and in some 
places because of this strange survey it's very   difficult to even drive your car and I appreciate 
Mr Marino's been you know very patient with all   of my photos of this we've been driving this 
alley for two years and sending in photos of   this encroachment to multiple divisions of 
the county and to to Mr Marino so thank you   I I really hope the other thing is the msbu just 
crept onto the agenda a storm waterer msbu all of   the this agenda stuff just came the description 
a few days ago there's no documentation of who   exactly is paying for this mspu current owners 
future owners I hope to goodness that the argument   is not going to be made that those two storm 
water ponds are benefiting all of Navy point   because they are just for the development 
thank you thank you next speaker is Glenn Conrad Commissioners thank you uh I'm happy 
to report this is probably one of the very   few things that Melissa penino and I agree on um 
developments should be self-sustaining so when I   read what you've written in the agenda here it's 
the county is going to accept all public easements   uh for permanent County maintenance now there's 
a caveat for the storm water Pond there until   the Northwest Florida Water Management District 
approves it for maintenance but basically the key   words here are permanent County maintenance which 
means the countyy is going to pay for maintenance   on on this private development infrastructure 
then later on in the paragraph it says this will   be funded this is good that you put in here at 
least a funding mechanism uh but it'll be funded   through an Municipal services busit business unit 
msbu there's no mention of msbu applies to what   geographical area is it just this development 
is it all of Navy point is it Warrington is   it Escambia County RIT large uh those things are 
important and you will get some push back on that   uh because I'm not voting for an msbu uh in my 
neighborhood uh the development if it wants to be   self- sustaining if it's a profit able development 
for the for the developer they should build these   costs in up front okay thank you all right thank 
you board that's all the public speakers uh Drew uh yes sir so there's four items on the plant 
a through D thank you board any questions for   Drew I I do have a couple questions because this 
property I want want to talk a little bit about   what they said on the RightWay in that property 
they said it wasn't 15 ft is that true or not true   Drew so it shows up on the final plat um the the 
alleyway slri of way because it's listed as both   and that's from the original uh Navy Point plat 
okay and and actually I want to address something   that um Mel Peno brought up she did have a good 
point but on the grief Court the citizen that   lives in Navy point we do have some problems 
there that individual had got two surveys and   then developmental Services gave him a permit that 
just doesn't seem right we're working with natural   resources and code to try to figure out what's 
right but if someone goes to the normal process   and their surve say they could put up a fence and 
then we come back and say no they can't it's just   not right it's just not right to do that to people 
um so we got to figure out what we're doing in   these Alleyways in Navy point because I agree it's 
it's breaking up the community and there's problem   so I I walked this with you Glenn a long 
time ago you know we walked this Landing   we looked at storm water drainage when it 
first came up I don't want to affect the   and I do agree with what they said the msbu 
this is more for Stefan Stefan is it only for   plus Landing that needs to be added you know 
that that msbu has to be defined only for plus   Landing I I can speak to that point when an 
msbu is established you have to define the   boundaries and only those properties that 
benefit from the what whatever facilities   are being provided through the msbu only those 
properties would be assessed okay I thought   I figured that but I want any property that 
would benefit from the storm water improvements correct I would imagine not that's well that needs 
to be clarified so you know I agree with that with   the citizens that no one that lives in Navy point 
for the last 30 40 years should be put into an   mspu so you want to comment Joy thank you good 
morning Commissioners uh just for clar hopefully   to clarify the msbu language is something you 
adopted many years ago at this board relative   to the new development only it is to cover the 
cost of maintenance for the new ponds that are   built in the development and maintained by the 
county it does not apply to any other existing   homes or development in the area only to this plat 
it exists on all of your public maintain plats Joy   so what's the contention we just heard from the 
citizens I mean what's the contention about this   development about the msbu portion or the rideway 
the rideway um I is to my knowledge this is built   per the approved plan and the surveys are are 
correct in relation to the fact that our County   Surveyor has gone through this with the fine tooth 
comb and checked all the titles and Survey data   and checked all the monuments so in my 
understanding there's no encroachment on   the plat area the speak that they're speaking to 
another area I believe that has a code violation   the uh curbing that was mentioned on on one of 
the areas for the rideway SL Alleyway was for   drainage purposes um I believe that particular 
Alleyway is wooded but again this is not personal   knowledge on my part this is based on the 
plans and and what was approved by the by the DRC so the contention is they they seem to 
have some expectation of using vehicles in   those Alleyways and I'm not sure that that's 
even possible and physically possible in some   cases so we've vetted everything I mean 
because basically we've had an attorney   that's basically said that it's going 
to end up in court and um I'm to me you   know we tend to be there a lot but I tend to 
avoid that this will be your county RightWay   and Alleyways if there are some encroachments 
in there then our code enforcement and as   County engineer I I'll work to make sure that 
that's corrected so the citizens will still have   access to those Alleyways yes sir okay this 
came up Friday and I'm sorry I haven't been   able to speak to the folks directly but we'll 
we'll continue to work with them and again it   is still going to be your county maintained and 
County owned rways and Alleyways so you still   have jurisdiction so Mr chairman if you don't mind 
mered could you come back and and while Joy's here and I'm just trying to figure your contention 
mered she said it's still going to be open to   the public and msbu is is only going to apply 
to those so what's your other concern well our   concern is that what's dedicated on the Navy 
Point plat is a 15ot alley or right away that   goes all the way around um in parts of the 
development this is narrow road down to 7 or   8 ft um there are places where there's a fire 
hydrant in a storm drain that encroaches on   the alleyway there are places where there's 
a stop sign placed in the alleyway um and   so it appears that this new development is 
not respecting the previously recorded 15t   Alleyways um as required by the Navy Point 
plat can you answer that Joey oh Drew one of y'all uh yes sir commissioner um infrastructure 
can be located inside the right of way and these   Alleyways are listed on their plat as 
right of way that's where you're going   to find our drainage uh you're going to 
find your fire hydrants in that right of way all right board any the questions for Drew 
Joy no well Drew let me ask you this though so   but if if the RightWay is specifically platted to 
be an accessible Alleyway um that that just seems   like a contradiction helped me understand that so 
keep in mind it's like any ride of way um rideway   does not start you your property doesn't start 
at the asphalt right sure there's a it's set back   from that uh generally the road will be centered 
in the right away but the right away is going to   be a lot wider than the paving and that's where 
you're going to find the infrastructure instead   of putting all that on private property okay 
all right thank you drew after listen to the   attorney and I just want to make clarification 
here because I I want to make sure everything   open on the on everything in developmental 
Services is there anything that we're not doing   to meet the land code that would what um ma'am 
I don't know your last name Meredith but that   she's saying that could put the county at risk 
in any sort of lawsuit so so this subdivision   was built according to the construction plans 
for it which were approved by the county and it   was built to those plans so you believe it meets 
the intent of the 15 foot the RightWay the MSP   everything I do okay so Christian do we have and 
ultimately we get a lot of advice and then we end   up in in in lawsuits that we don't win I mean is 
there any risk factor legal uh in approving this   they've said it's already been approved I mean 
what's the risk factor in approving this legally   well I mean I've just heard what mered have just 
just said so I'm just trying to get some legal   advice from our C I can't promise that someone 
wouldn't file suit but you know I it sounds like   staff did the appropriate vetting and they've 
recommended approval you followed the usual procedures there was no irregularity and other unopened rideways unopened Alleyways 
um this same sort of thing has happened other   other places in the county I know we've vacated 
a lot of those sorts of properties but has that   sort of thing happened like this this seems 
kind of unique like I haven't really seen   this so Navy point is an older plat uh and it 
does have a lot of Alleyways throughout it as   as the residents were sping there is a there 
is a conflict on one of the other alleyways   with a fence um we don't generally see 
Alleyways coming in with subdivisions   these days but this one as it you know 
it is platted outside this plat this   plus Landing plat um and it is noted on 
this plat that that existing Alleyway is there the on the other alley way that has 
the fence issue is the county going to   be implicated by that at all are we going to 
have any liability for that fence being built   I don't know enough about that issue to speak to 
it okay so I mean I would ask you you know you're   a professional does this need to be vetted more or 
are we ready to go and you feel comfortable moving   it forward we feel comfortable bringing the item 
forward uh our surveyor has reviewed the plot CU   it's our survey it's his license on the line if 
it's inaccurate I would assume whoever surveyed   it I mean whose Bonds on the line if it's not 
accurate that would would be a question for legal   H seriously I mean this hasn't come up before I 
don't know who surveyed or who was responsible for that who surveyed it well it would be his bond if I don't want 
our I don't want us no I agree he should be   but I think I think the survey would be liable if 
it was wrong but I do know a Navy point because   of the previous case saying I W sta for legal 
to tell me that I mean we we get a whole lot   of opinions until you know we go before the judge 
my understanding a Navy Point cu the you know we   weren't doing building department came in in what 
the 80s or 90s Navy point was around before that   so a lot of that land there wasn't actually 
marked correctly and now we're dealing with   these problems that's that's the extent of it and 
that's I know all about you know property lines   and all that trust me I had a lot of experience 
in it so I'm just going to the group Court which   he talked about so that that's a unique case 
people decide which one's the property land um Kristen I think what chairman May was 
asking can you answer that question or no   on the surveyor well if a surveyor 
didn't perform their Professional   Services correctly then there could 
potentially be some Christ can you   pull the microphone a Kristen can you 
pull the microphone a little bit closer   to you please but I don't know who did the 
survey or if that's the issue necessarily I don't have a copy of the backup it's in 
your backup who the surveyor was for this   plat the county survey also reviewed it and 
all the monumentation again fire hydrants   those sorts of things are in the right away 
that's where they're meant to be the issue   of concern is that that particular fire 
hydrant might be blocking what would be   vehicular access to that Alleyway we 
can we can continue to review that   in in coming days and make sure that those things 
are installed correctly if not we will have the   liability in the jurisdiction to take care of 
it um or if you choose we can postpone this   to the next uh BCC agenda and have some further 
review before that time again I apologize board   this came up on Friday afternoon I didn't have 
access to a lot of Staff members thank you Mr   chairman I it just sounds like there's too 
much meat on the bone to push this thing and   and force it through I I'd be more supportive 
of taking the additional time to make sure we   got all our ducks in a row I mean it's in your 
Comm it's in your District commissioner kler   but um I don't mind due diligence honestly it's 
good it's helpful I think you I think you guys   have done the homework but I think a couple 
more weeks just to make sure that we're not   liable in any form is is probably prudent and 
uh don't take it drew that I don't trust what   you're doing I just think that there's a there's 
an interest right now that we make sure we have   our eyes dotted and teas cross so I'm I'm fine 
with dropping it today ifone everyone else is as well so are we working with the developer in 
ensuring that we get clarification because I   I know I mean I don't think from the developers 
point of view that there that they see a need for   further clarification but whatever whatever the 
board wants to do I mean I I whatever whatever   the board wants to do is fine County Surveyor 
can verify locations of these Alleyways stake   them for us so that it makes it very clear and 
we can discuss it with the concerned citizens   okay before we bring it back to you well I mean 
I know that Mike it's your District but I know   those are very reputable developers uh that's 
developing this project so I guess we' follow   your lead and making sure that we all I'm trying 
to do is do uh fresh review if you can bring it   back on May 2nd and we clarify everything we can 
push forward um there's obviously been a lengthy   discussion here about it I think it's just 
prudent to look into it I mean okay it's your   District so that's fine I'll make a just to bring 
it back on the second that second review with the   survey all right all those in favor please vote 
item pass is 4 to Z to reschedule to May 2nd   true second item is Saddle Ridge phase two board 
we have no I'm sorry we do have a speaker Chris cerb I'll be real brief um I'm not any objection to it I don't oppose this 
or or or or for it I just noticed something uh in   part A it says the roads to be resurfaced prior to 
issuance of the 45th home permit 75% build out due   to problems noted with raveling segregation found 
during inspection of the asphalt on the public   roads within the subdivision um this brings to 
mind um I looked this up in the Land Development   code under Article 5 2-5 .7 under final plats 
um you have a listing of incidental deficiencies   and then under Section e you have acceptable 
forms of shity and uh you know uh a basically   a letter saying we're going to resurface the road 
I mean that might be in the spirit of the code but   it's actually creating policy um it's actually 
changing what your Land Development code unless   something where somewhere else in the Land 
Development code that I missed um and there   is okay so there is something somewhere 
else well that's kind of why I brought it   up because I'm I'm unfamiliar with uh this 
with resurfacing roads uh so where is that   horse okay just had a concern I just thought 
I'd bring it up thank you board that's the   only speaker to entertain a motion okay 
I'll move the item forward uh items a b   C and D all right super is there a second thank 
you all right oh okay only is he's empty okay all   right all those in favor please vote item passes 
three to zero Drew third item is McKinnon Town   Homes do we have any speakers Mr chairman we do 
not and uh it's this is in District 5 I support   this so I i' appreciate a motion for a through d 
okay I'll make the motion uh that we approve item   three a through D super thank you please vote Mike 
thank you all item pass is three to zero okay Mr administrator I'm sorry commissioner 
we still have one more we got one more where this is in in D5 as well 
Steve you oh I'm sorry Brook Haven yeah   and we do have no speakers and I would appreciate 
a motion for this I do support this as well all   I'll move item four a b c and d in the affirmative 
okay thank you please vote item passes four to   I'm sorry three to zero thank you drew thank you 
Horus Mr administrator thank you Mr chairman there   are seven items on the technical Public Service 
consent agenda there are no changes and there are   no speakers entertain a motion for uh all seven on 
the technical Public Service consent so moved Mr   chairman thank you all right please please vote 
item passes or items pass 3 to Zer Mr administ   there are 42 items on the Budget Finance consent 
agenda there are no changes hold card 2-42 for a   speaker all right thank you i' entertain a motion 
for the balance move the balance Mr chairman   thank you please vote item passes U three to zero 
administator our speaker is Grover Robinson Grover thank you very much I'd only communicated that 
i' only communicated that y'all need to vote on   this if if you needed me but otherwise if y'all 
wanted to support it that's the only reason I'm   wanting to come up here just to say thank you 
uh for your willingness uh to support um to   support education I think this is a u a great 
opportunity based on some of the discussions   you were having earlier uh to give people in 
a PO poverty like centry the opportunity and   access to look at uh education like what you 
can get at a state college and so I certainly   hope uh that you will support this and move this 
forward and I did not mean for for you to hold   this item I I I told the lady very clearly 
that I only need to speak if needed um so   otherwise I I appreciate your support all right 
thanks buddy uh board entertain a motion I move   the item 42 a c and d thank you for all right 
please vote item passes 3 to zero Grover thank   you for the uh thank you all for all the work 
and uh all the interactions that you and Dawn   had and the help from Stefan as well uh working 
out the funding sources it's uh it's a very good   thing for the town of centry hopefully good 
thing for Pensacola State College as well Mr   administrator thank you Mr chairman I'd like to 
ask M Lindsay Stevens to come forward this car 3-1 you bring your group with you Sor I'm happy to present to the board for 
confirmation as your new purchasing director   Miss Lindsay Stevens she has stepped 
into the role uh full force she's made   some changes she's continuing to work with 
other staff and hold uh different seminars   on how to do business with scami County 
she's driving a lot of work even on this   agenda particularly here we have a lot of uh 
contracts has been awarded and I appreciate   her hard work and her taking over the range 
there and purchasing and it has made a world   of difference and Lindsay I'm proud of you 
thank you thank you yes thank you [Applause]   really quick I want to say thank you 
all for your vote of confidence Wes   Wesley Debbie especially thank you to 
Kristen for your guidance thank you   to my amazing team for helping us get 
where we are today and thank you to my   husband for encouraging me to come to the 
county two years ago yeah thank yes thank you we do need to I do need you y to vote on 
that though all right uh board I entertain a   motion for uh for the item I'll move the 
item in the affirmative thank you second   thank you please vote item pass is four 
to zero congratulations congratulations   and and purchasing is as the administrator 
mentioned it is very important to all of our   districts is what pushes our projects out and 
uh that is our uh you know individually that is   our scorecard for our constituents is what we 
actually complete and uh produce so thank you   Mr administrator card 3-2 o LF eight we have 
three one two three four speakers okay Fred Hammer good morning Fred Hammer 207 East in 
tendencia street we all know why I'm here   and after the last meeting Wes and I spoke um 
Wes offered to as H's words all hands on deck   meeting with the county staff and will dway and 
our people to look at the zoning issues you know   with the dpz master plan as they exist and the 
implications for us trying to accept that type   of zoning in the time frame that you all would 
like us to close on the property we had well will   dunway prepare a detailed Bemo and that was sent 
to the county Thursday a week ago so last week I   called Wes to follow up when we could schedule 
this meeting and Wes had not received that memo   yet that document and I called will dway back and 
so on Thursday it was resent to the county and we   got confirmation back that the county did receive 
it and so I stand here wondering where we are in   the process um you know I told Wes that I have 
time tomorrow or anytime next week to you know   bring our people together you know and discuss 
those issues yeah and we're happy to do that uh   I saw your availability this morning so I'll work 
with our staff and we'll get that set up and we'll   come around the table with all the players and 
we'll go through the items and go through the   issues happy to do it very good and you know as 
I said at the last meeting as after we go through   that process we're willing to adjust that Topline 
number you know but as I mentioned before we want   to see what we can really put on that property 
you know when you look at the existing zoning   you probably have that that and the property 
that we would buy I think approximately 50 acres   are zoned industrial you know you all don't 
want that you don't want us to buy property   that's going to be in competition with you you 
know and not even addressing the potential for   affordable housing on that that property too 
so you know nobody wants that in our plan but   you know that could happen with that zoning so 
I'm here to answer any questions thank you teres Blackwell happy Earth Earth day and good morning 
this deal New Deal is no better in fact it falls   short of the hammer and partners deal I hate 
hesitate to say buus says but I say no to a   modified master plan we have a master plan 
a great master plan from dpz that is part of   our Land Development code and we expect that to 
go forward the money is probably not as good as   hr's offer since it leaves nearly all the wetlands 
to the county the price per Upland acre is likely   much less and probably most important of all 
why should we trust them with such an important   and complicated project Ryan chavers chavers 
construction the Better Business Bureau L has a   complaint there against the company that I could 
not fine was ever settled a lot of arguing back   and forth but no clear conclusion uh and we have 
heard the name chavers before from the Das as a   commissioner recused himself from an item because 
of his Association Cliff MO is interesting listed   as a homebuilder on the BBB site and and on 
and on and and on sunbiz has been active in   dozens of different kinds of Corporations bottom 
line what are their credentials what experience   do they have that relates to a project as big 
and complicated as this what have they done   that would qualify them to do this show us the 
pictures and finally I would just like to say I   was very sad to hear about Bob Graham there's an 
example of someone who left a True Legacy for us   and part of that was his family's development on 
their Farm they had the foresight back in the 60s   to hire an expert Master planner to create Miami 
Lakes the kind of De design we would love to have   on ol FH so think about that uh and Bob Graham 
came here and he was such a wonderful man he spoke   to us at civicon and I spoke with him the next 
day at a smaller meeting and he said he wanted to   show me that development down there and I'm very 
sad that I never got the chance uh to see that   so think about your legacy do you want it to be we 
helped our friends to the greatest extent possible   or do you want it to be that we did the best for 
our community for our state for our country this   is your opportunity to do that to do the right 
thing for Bula and for the county thank you any questions Melissa Pino sorry about that thank you chairman Barry 
Teresa is this yours somebody left oh Mr hmer   um it's it's funny that the Navy Point thing 
and olfa were on the agenda at the same um on   the same day because unfortunately Navy Point 
has become a lesson in how not to do uh olfa   on a really small uh scale of course but there 
was room to do anything in the world on that   plat and um I was really hoping that they would 
do some sort of mixed use Town Center because   that would have hearkened back exactly to what 
that plat was for and um despite what Teresa   may think I have always wanted the people in 
Bula to get their town center and some kind   of really nice mixed use I want the people up 
there to be happy and I was for Mr Hammer's   development if Mr himmer um if it was down to 
DR Horton versus Mr hmer um great because DR   Horton would not have been a good thing but I 
really think that Teresa before she just she's   so married to a single idea it's got to be Mr 
hmer it's got to be the Navy Federal Downtown   Coalition you know she really should talk to 
the people that have the the new um offer and   I've known Ryan chavers for years now I I think 
Super highly of Ryan he's a great guy he's local   um he helps people out he does good work and 
I just really think that the citizens up there   rather than being married to who has to do this 
development or a single version of that master   plan because every single person has said the 
master plan does not work completely there are   things that are going to have to be changed there 
are going to be decisions to be made so give these   new people a chance they're local they care you 
know Fred can present his exact plan for what   he plans on doing and how he's going to stick to 
that Master Plan let the new people talk to their   local people and let them know what they plan to 
do Ryan is an honorable person I don't know the   other gentleman but quite frankly I was excited 
to see his name and somebody more local and even a   better offer um come into the conversation don't 
don't beat him up at of hand just because he's   not Mr himmer and Mr himmer has been in these 
conversations for years thank you Matthew couch good morning uh Matthew couch 127 Palo Place suet 
200 I'm here as a representative for the proposed   buyers U Mr Mo and Mr chavers and attorney 
with Morehead Law Group as you all know the   letter of intent did come from Steve Morehead 
he uh wished to be here himself this morning   however has a prior engagement that conflicted 
with this once the meeting was moved from last   Thursday he does send his regards um again just 
uh here to represent the proposed buyers um we   do look forward to working with the county the uh 
County attorney and the citizens of Bula um and we   appreciate U everyone's consideration I'm happy to 
answer any questions Mr chairman I have a question   for sure um in your letter of of intent I didn't 
I saw a lot of different language about a lot of   different things you're going to put in there I 
didn't see specifically called out a town center   and as you know that's a problem minent component 
of the master plan and one of the previous offers   um can you clarify uh whether or not that is 
an intention of this new group because I know   that's very important to the to the people that 
I represent in Bula understood um I believe the   intention is to uh come up with a modified master 
plan that sticks or you know closely um follows   the current dpz uh I do not know specifics 
as to whether that includes a town center um   Steve Morehead may have more details on that and 
and also just since we're talking about you know   the master plan and I talked to Marina Cy part of 
dpz one of the one of the managing members there   and and she acknowledged as much that there are 
certain aspects of it that are going to require   modification I understand that we've had I believe 
this will be the eighth offer now that we've had   on it and to to to a person they've all said 
this uh is going to require some modifications   you heard Mr hemmer just talk about the industrial 
property that's within the foot print of of what   we're talking about here and and we know certain 
laws have passed at the state level that allow   unfettered uh um construction of high high 
high towers of affordable housing we've seen   that in Dade County I think the legislation was 
horrible they did not walk it back enough at in   the last session it's still a problem around the 
state so um to those who say well you're going   to abandon the master plan I would say simply 
Mar Cory understands there's going to be some   things there's issues with the drainage uh as 
Illustrated in the master plan going to require   some changes um so I'm not hung up on that but I 
am kind of hung up on the Town Center again that   was that plot that land was supposed to be for job 
generation we had a very very hardfought yearslong   compromise that we came to so my position at this 
point in the game is sticking to the compromise   that's what the that's what the citizens uh 
wanted that's what this board voted for so   that's going to be an important clarification that 
I'm going to need thank you understood thank you   commissioner we'll certainly U take that um under 
advisement and recognize that point no thank you   Jeff I'm Jeff you know obviously you know this is 
a project that came about when Steve and I were   running years ago and it's been I follow the lead 
of you and Steve on on this obviously because you   know your citizens and your constituents better 
than I do but you said we we've had eight you   know negotiations that have failed right I mean 
there's at least one commissioner up here who   said he want 30 plus million I've said my drop de 
is 25 million ion so it's going to be 9 10 11 and   12 I mean I don't know what I mean the start of 
the negotiation is a good faith of what we expect   the dollar to be and then you got to work out 
the Town Center you got to work out everything   else for me we got to work out the dollar amount 
and there's not a lot of discussion for me until   we work out the dollar amount and how we're going 
to reinvest that money back to the citizens that   we represent you know how am I going to get 
some more sidewalks and some more lights and   some things in my district and so that to me is 
the beginning point of the negotiation any other   negotiation may not be in good faith because I 
mean there's two people have said that I've said   I'm not going to vote less than 25 million and 
so that's where we can start at so and I just   want to you know at least throw that out there 
you know unless there's some underlying thing   where you come and there's you know some other 
uh value that comes to the citizens of mamia   County that's not you know dollars but I do know 
that you know I got a fire going on right now in   Brownsville that's probably because inadequate 
life hiding you know and inadequate electrical   and I know that you know there are still places 
in my district in Ensley and Wedgewood and   Brownsville and Shannon toown that still don't 
have public sore yeah you know I mean that's   that's even like when we talking about C doll from 
children trust I still how can I in good faith say   okay well I'm going to wave this or I'm going 
to do this and I have citizens who can't do a   small barbecue joint in Brownsville because they 
don't have a grease trap in sewer and so those   dollars you know $500,000 million dollar means 
a lot to the citizens that I represent and so 8 nine 10 I mean I don't know how many more of 
these things we going to bring back and put on   the agenda I mean there's no sense in putting 
anything else on the agenda until the number gets   right yeah for me no no and I appreciate that 
I would I would simply say that the difference   between this offer and the previous one is 
um in this offer so far as I understand from   reading it um you understand you build out the 
infrastructure including the boulevard so that's   a several million dollar swing there plus that 
may be a plus so if you add that back into the   mix that's you know between the 22 .5 minus the 20 
plus the 2 to 3 million to build it all out I mean   you're getting close to that 25 the value of it 
so I don't disagree we want to get top dollar for   it but at some point you know it it is a piece 
of property it's worth what someone's willing   to pay for it that's that's what it's worth yeah 
what we're willing to sell and and the great news   for the board and for the citizens is you know 
we're right now sitting at about 14.5 we've sold   a portion of it for 4.2 to Navy Federal they did 
a world class development there with their park   probably the finest Park in in the Panhandle 
that so far as I've seen and I think we can   make it even better with the addition of a tennis 
court and a children's playground which I'm going   to work uh diligently toward doing if we can ever 
come to a deal with one of the8 10 12 the problem   is though gentlemen it's going to become shop 
Warn and and it is in some respects already um   and and I think that with interest rates going 
back up the economy is not as stable as people   some people want you to think it is let's just 
put it that way um other things in the world going   on could really make things go bad so at some 
point we got to bring it in for landing and I   you know whether we get 30 million or not 
right now it sits there vacant generating   no revenue for the school board or for us and no 
value for the citizens it just sits there vacant   so and I agree with that Jeff and but Jeff I 
will say one thing that we can't lose sight   of and that's probably not on the developers at 
all but on on on good faith and Goodwill to the   citizens we we Promise Jobs and as you said 
we don't know where the economy is but for   or we don't have to wait yeah we we got to go back 
in there and create those light industrial jobs at   $60 to 80,000 those are s 250 Acres we don't have 
to wait for anyone we're working on that that's my   point we're working on that right now I I'm sure 
you are but I mean I just wanted to make sure that   that's there because at the end of the day you 
know it's great to have a restaurant it's great   to have a town center it's great to have you know 
quite frankly what's affordable housing there's   no such thing if you don't create jobs you know 
create the jobs and then get pair value for the   house I mean but we're trying to say we're going 
to create affordable housing Workforce housing   you're not not when people are making 12 $13 an 
hour there's no such thing as housing uh for those   citizens so that's why we got to create the jobs 
for them and to me that was a job creation project   at the end of the day I get the town center and 
I get all that project was supposedly the last   flat land that Jim cronley brought for that you 
could put light industrial and create jobs for   the citizens of esamia County because we have 
no more land while we're sitting here woring   about you know a Applebees Santa Rosa County is 
running very fastly creating those type of jobs   that allow for those citizens to be able to afford 
the house that they want in Santa Rosa rather than   a subsidized house that Horn's giving them so 
if we create the jobs people can buy the house   that they want to buy and to me that's in the more 
priority for me is the promise that we made is job   creation on that property and hopefully hopefully 
there'll be you know hopefully there'll be some uh   you know some type of activity coming forward 
pretty quickly on you know part of the 200 50   acres on the North half hopefully um and and 
no and I wasn't down that Mr chairman I just   wanted to make sure that we kept that front and 
center a lot of times we get distracted in terms   of what they're laying on you know a fire station 
a school or nothing against you a public park or   or Applebees but the sole intent of that was job 
creation so I look forward to y'all bringing that   forward and Commissioners there's uh you know as 
as was mentioned and I do have to abstain from   votes that relate to Ryan Shavers personally 
I don't have a conflict with Cliff Mo but I do   with Ryan um so when you know when an agreement 
you know if we're able to get to that point would   come back for a vote I would have to abstain from 
a vote but I'm I'm certainly able to discuss it   you know it is a it is a public it is a public 
matter and I have a you know have the ability   and I have a responsibility to discuss it but you 
know I I think we all uh we all understand I do   have a voting conflict when it comes to a vote um 
and I don't think the administrator is looking for   a vote today I think that I think that the The 
Hope from the administrator is simply whether   to move forward with discussions with the you know 
with the parties that sent the new letter and see   what you know uh Madam attorney I think will be 
back be back at work a week from today I believe   I could be wrong but you know I know she's out 
this week as well but um you know kind of whether   the board generally uh you know kind of green 
lights uh administrator and the attorney to have   discussions with uh the folks that sent the new 
letter um I did talk to uh to Steve Morehead on   Friday he as uh U as his um counterpart mentioned 
you know he sent regrets for not being able to be   here but you know it was you know kind of due to 
the changeing changing our schedule most you know   having the meeting be on Monday um there are a 
couple of people in his office I think that have   been much more involved in the discussions than Mr 
couch has been to this point um I don't begrudge   uh him I just don't I don't think he's been a 
part of many of the discussions uh uh you know   going forward so when uh you know when Allison's 
back I think uh if if the majority of us are are   good with them moving forward with just you know 
with the discussion with uh you know Steve and you   know with Steve and Cliff and Ryan and uh Wes and 
Allison you know trying to nail down some of the   terms I think the the terms you know the Topline 
number is is you know is always going to be a a   headline Grabber but what's been my concern 
from you know the discussion with Horton and   the discussion with uh you know previous folks 
that have submitted offers and and you know what   we've been working with uh Fred and will on you 
know for the last number of months you know the   top line is a number but the Top Line could say 80 
million if the terms say we're never going to get   it it doesn't matter what the top number is and 
I I I don't think that there's any debate that   the terms in this at least in this Loi the terms 
appear to be much more along the lines of what the   board wants which is a quick close and something 
happening on the property with money going hard   pretty quickly and uh uh so that you know you know 
once you have money and substantial money go hard   you know you don't have a you don't just have a 
buyer you have a partner moving forward because   they have you know they have considerable Equity 
uh that's now dead money that's gone um you know   if they don't get the deal done so you know 
the terms I think the the terms are what has   you know for me for the last year and a half of 
real discussions whether they've been with bre   Lind or Horton or or uh you know Mr himmer group 
the terms have been very problematic and I think   these terms are much more along the lines of 
the feedback the board has given publicly so   uh you know I would I would think that um it would 
make sense to continue those discussions or ask   the administrator to continue those discussions 
with with them but commissioner May yeah and   commissioner Barry I would only assume that um 
the county attorney and County Administrator are   going to negotiate terms that are going to be 
fair and Equitable uh and certainly um to the   buyer as as well as to the county and so I mean I 
I would admit that I'm not followed those details   probably not nearly as close as you would have or 
or commissioner BOS would have and so you know in   terms of the you know this project does have a 
lot of attention when when I talk about bottom   line number you know I simply just want to be in 
a position to Advocate and um present the case of   how we redistribute These funds to help all the 
citizens because I I continue to go back although   I think you you give preference to the residents 
of BU and nature trail uh this is was an all in   by all citizens of mamia County and so they all 
it could have been a countywide failure is what   if it hadn't worked yes it would would have just 
been a bu failure it would have been a countywide   failure I assure you that you and I you and I 
would have toted that failure on our backs as   much as just one more failure that's all as much 
as anyone in uh in the county would have but yeah   no you're you're absolutely right I mean yeah 
until that point and so I I recognize what what   yourself and Jeff is saying you know about the 
bottom line in the terms but you're right you know   this is something that we started I mean nobody 
you know as I I come to the end of my service I   mean there's nothing more that I would want to do 
than to get this project gone and and and and get   it you know going at least going before we leave 
here uh so it's important to me but at the end   of the day too I just want to make sure that we 
can distribute some more funds and I trust you   know our Administration and our legal team to 
do the negotiation uh but as you said you know   it makes headlines but it you know perception 
is reality uh there is a perception uh that   you know people want to see and benefit of dollars 
that's placed back in their communities absolutely   all right board if there's no further discussion 
Wes do you have some general direction all right   Madam counsel yes there are three items uh three 
action items on the county attorney's report I   can answer any questions board entertain a motion 
for the action items thank you second please vote please all vote all right thank you item 
passes four to zero Madam Council there   are two discussion items on the county 
attorney's report and I believe there   are speakers on the first item 
okay uh first uh item Keith Bo   this ISS a board's consideration for 
request of payment of attorney's fees thank you regard regarding Miss Kenny's uh request 
for legal fees isn't there a time period in which   she had 30 days to request legal fees be paid 
isn't that time already passed haven't we already   paid $90,000 of her fine uh this seems to be 
totally out of order and I'm just wondering why   why why is it happening why is it being considered 
um it's I'm just amazed but isn't isn't there a   a period of time that's already passed for this 
request and is it going to be the precedent that   we uh try and use either for or against uh the rep 
the case with you know with p&j the case with uh   Jonathan Owens Alex art Ard droney I mean these 
things are all going to come up and we're taking   things we don't have to pay and we're paying them 
that that's the question I mean this this is salt   on the wound that's all I've got to say all right 
thank you board that's our only speaker and and   that's our last speaker for today oh I'm sorry I'm 
sorry Melissa Pina I didn't there's what thank you   meliss 413 Southeast boets Keith Bo has no idea 
what he's talking about um Kate went to the Merit   system protection board which is you know the 
proper order for things when this horrible thing   happened to her I've been really quiet about all 
the Edler stuff because it's not going to do any   good anyway and it makes me sick it lit Lally 
makes me sick and it hurts my heart to see how   all of this stuff is winding up a million dollar 
to her off of no evidence it was very clear you   know when commissioner May says it publicly 
when commissioner ker you know says someday   he'd like to see the evidence and I stood here 
for years and said fire her now because she is   going to come back and sue the county anyway and 
what she did to Kate Kenny was atrocious and if   I were Kate I'd be filing a cease and assist 
on all of these people over at es uh ECW that   are talking trash about her crimes that have all 
been expunged all been expunged I never said I was   advocating for everybody in that situation I said 
that I was advocating for the innocent people and   when Kim skos and I went to the State's Attorney's 
office off of Tom Williams's subpoena and I talked   with them and I talked with Kennedy from the 
FDA they never even knew they had never even   been turned over the evidence that those people 
that were being harassed were the ones that two   two consecutive administrators did not did not do 
anything with their toxic Workforce complaints and   then they were the ones that caught hell for it 
Kate is perfectly innocent of these charges which   is why her charges have been expunged I don't know 
whether you guys can legally pay the $5,000 but   for for God's sakes $5,000 for an innocent woman 
whose legal should have never been cut off from   the county to begin with versus a million dollars 
to a woman who came to the county to sue it and   we still running still she'll get I'm sure on the 
quam as well so if you can legally pay Kate's fees   please do it thank you all right board that's 
uh that's all the speakers I'd like to have   a few moment discussion so I hear what you're 
saying I've never had a conversation with Dr Ed   not on nothing on not even a phone call Facebook 
anything I sit down with Kristen this week we're   convoluting two different issues here as we 
always seem to do to make it complicated the   county in 20 had to pay $5,000 to the Department 
of Health because the training officer gave out   fraudulent cards you can take a pre-trial 
agreement after you want an administrative   board that does not mean that that didn't happen 
it did happen that's why we're in the mess with   Edler with the false claims act it's just a fact 
and we're shooting each one of our foots at the   same time I would after sitting down Kristen I 
just I'd like your recommendation should we pay this it's the board's determination to make I can 
point you to the policy which was included in the   backup and also advise the policy includes a 
definition of successfully depend or Prevail   and the statutory and the common law remedy uh 
that authorize the payment of fees and costs are   limited to payment for a prevailing defendant who 
successfully defends against a claim or charge I   appreciate that Kristen and I sat down with her 
in depth on this because this is half a stack of   the stuff I had to do still have to do just to 
be a licensed nurse if you fraudulently bring   your nursing license your BLS license your AC 
license your Pal's license your tncc license your   TCC license you lose your job it's Public Safety 
we require it so the community knows they have   safe people taking care of them if you don't do 
your se's I don't know Kenny she may have been a   great woman she gave out fraudulent cards and it's 
wrong we had to pay $5,000 so I I can't support it   Mr chairman I'd like to weigh in on it sure I 
followed this very carefully y since what had   happened I was on the board in 2018 in July when 
the state came in and gave our EMS Department top   marks we we got accolades shortly thereafter we 
made some Personnel changes and things just seemed   to devolve I'll use that word with respect to Kate 
Kenny you're right this board did pay her $90,000   legal fee because everything she was accused of 
she was never convicted of or charged with and   it's easy to say she did this she did this she 
did this when you read the charging document but   when you read the stipulated settlement and make 
no mistake about it people take deals all the   time they take deals to save money to save legal 
fees to move forward she did not admit guilt to   any of that she was not convicted of any of 
that she took a deal she took a deal and so   you have to be very careful up here Mike when you 
start saying people are guilty of something read   read what she the stipulated settlement who's 
responsible for the $5,000 I'm not going to   answer your question I have the floor just before 
you spout off up here and and Destroy someone's   more than a former employee tried to do be careful 
what you say be careful because she did not plead   to any of that she did not plead to any of that 
she's not been convicted of any of that I'm going   to strongly support this employee there were a 
number of employees who had their lives turned   upside down and ruined look we don't like the 
way some judges rule we don't like certain   settlements the way they fall I can only control 
within my three feet but when it comes to things   like this I will not countenance people up here 
running down the character of a person trying to   kick someone when they're down she didn't she 
did not do the things that you're saying Mike   be very careful she did not do that she did not 
plead to that read the agreement she signed she   signed a deal she's a stipulated settlement 
agreement um she's not convicted she none of   this is on her record we owe her the 5,000 in my 
opinion I just want to know who's ever going to be   responsible for this because in the current 
environment went in no one is and the only   people getting hurt up here is the citizens 
of scambi County incorrect hey I'm talking   you just told me it's my FL the floor thank you I 
appreciate the respect only people getting hurt in   this County behind this is the taxpayers you're 
going to pay millions and millions and millions   of dollars because this man's in vindictive 
Behavior against people and it's enough enough   we can't afford it all right I'm not vindictive 
when I stand up for First Responders there were   six of them six of them that got point the finger 
pointed at them you talk about vindictive reasons   you weren't here you don't know you're ignorant 
you're I'll tell you what happened someone didn't   like something they thought they overheard sounds 
like a sounds like a theme and then she went after   people she didn't like and guess what five of 
those six had everything nothing they weren't   charged with anything they had their lives turned 
upside down they had to pay their own lawyers and   now we're cleaning up the mess so that's what 
really happened here now you say no one was   held accountable someone was held accountable one 
man was he had it was a poor Record Keeper and and   he did he was found accountable but all these 
other people were not did not do the the things   they were accused of Mike so look at the look at 
the one person who who did it and he did he did   pay a price but the rest of these folks were not 
charged with anything all right i' i' I'll tell   you what I'm going to do we never wrote to the 
Department of Health on this board and ask them   why their investigation process was so screwed up 
and were so right so I'll do that letter and ask   the governor why the his Department was so wrong 
and this board is so right that they find us and   no one on our board is held accountable nobody I'm 
sorry that's just the facts and so if no one here   had the courage to say the investigative process 
was wrong nobody all right you going to write a   letter to the governor because you want people 
held accountable when when you write okay you can   write another letter if you want write some to the 
state attorney make baseless allegations but when   you write that letter to the governor maybe you 
ought to maybe you ought to self-report yourself   when you got on this board you got drunk one night 
and called each of us and I had to save you from a   Sunshine Law violation have investigate that you 
called each member of this board and yeah so when   you put your letter to the governor maybe send 
one to the state attorney and have investigate   you for trying to commit a sunshine violation 
when you got drunk one night and you called   me we'll look it up and I told you I sa you want 
down in the gutter we'll go ahead and do that when   you threaten drinking beer because I wouldn't vote 
for you and you told me you had the votes remember   that that's a lie that mine's a lie he's right but 
that's actually you oh you had your phone on while   you at Seville while you were telling me because 
I didn't vote for got phone record you call me   you have a phone record of being in C quarter 
where you said I have the votes oh come on man   see that's the problem your fork tongue gets you 
in trouble just say and you make up allegation do   whatever report you want on me no you're the one 
write letters go go send her I know dang well what   you said and you go send a letter have a seat go 
send a letter have a seat derangement have a seat   this is the derangement have a seat have a seat 
okay can you kind of give us a clarification of   of of this case I mean we settled it she tax 
for $5,000 we gave her 90 I mean oober drama   October 20th 2022 Miss Kenny first brought a 
request that the board authorized paying her   attorney's fees for the fdoh investigation and 
the attorney's fees to the CL start off Chris   I'm sorry can you just you lost me but go ahead 
start off so in 2022 a request was brought to   this board to pay for for Miss Kenny's attorney's 
fees in two separate proceedings one was for the   criminal investigation the criminal case with 
the FDLE in the amount of $30,000 the other was   a request to cover her fees then in the amount 
of $55,000 for the fdoh investigation the board   approved paying for her attorney's fees in the 
FDLE case but did not approve paying her fees   for the fdoh case because it was still ongoing 
so the reason we didn't pay because Ong because Mike can we've only taken advice of what we we we 
only taken advice of what we've been given so you   didn't pay the $5,000 because it was still un 
investigation is what you're saying and we paid   the however the board at that time decided not 
to move forward with her request for the fdoh   investigation but did approve the attorney's fees 
was she exonerated from the fdoe investigation   that case was null Prost and was that mean I 
believe there was pre-trial diversion and then the   case has since been closed and the record expunged 
expunged so she was not found guilty correct she   was exonerated case was n Prost no but you know I 
don't know obvious I don't know your mean lawyers   um she was convicted correct okay thank you 
all right and we've already paid I'm sorry m j   we've already paid 90,000 no that is a a separate 
proceeding I believe there was an mspb appeal uh   this is only about attorney's fees in the criminal 
case and in the fdoh disciplinary proceeding so   everyone that was involved in I guess the alleged 
falsification I mean obviously dealing with etler   case I mean there there was some falsification of 
documents all those people have been removed none   of those people are currently working for us that 
would be a question for Wes I believe that is the case that is correct all right board so we do have a request 
from the that the board discuss this from the   county attorney's office do we have do we have a 
motion to take action or what what does the board   want to do well I you know it might die right here 
but I I'm going to follow through and I'm going to   stick up for people who got bullied and harassed 
employees First Responders in this County and it's   happened over and over and we keep cleaning up 
the mess this board had nothing to do with any of   it none of it but these actions were taken by an 
employee of ours who was counseled and continued   to do what she did um but this employee here was 
not convicted of anything there's nothing on her   record she could continue her career if she wanted 
to she had to take a deal but she didn't admit any   guilt to anything and I think we ought to pay 
the 5,000 000 if you guys want to support it I   think it's the right thing to do I'm going to be 
on record making the motion that we support the   payment of $5,000 that's my motion all right 
is there a second Jeff I I'll second it for discussion so we spend so much money in legal 
fees that's ridiculous and sometimes false   accusations you have to spend your own personal 
money when you when you get false accusation so   I I I experiened it um $55,000 is just not a 
lot of money money in terms of how much more   we going to have to spend if we didn't pay it 
what happens Christian I mean so I mean could   she repeal it would we end up court and your 
time and lawyer's time I mean we've already   spent $5,000 talking about it today I mean 
you count up the hours of the staff in here   and and what we pay lawyers and sitting here 
it's more I adamant agree with that when you   add up staff time in the room oh yeah but but 
we'll take a lot of Staff time just to attack   people you know we do that yeah we don't we we 
don't mind if we're spending legal fees attack   people that happens every day around here um Chris 
what what's the what's the other option it's the   board's decision what what what I'm saying and 
then if she appealed it would that take uh your   time from your office and spending more time 
with it I mean and I want to get some advice from you have to have some I I I get exactly 
the recommendation that's purely our decision   but I just want to get a legal opinion as well 
uh because we're we are kneed deep into lawsuits   and none of us have ever gone to law school and 
so we end up in these frivilous lawsuits or or   courts um and as commissioner K just said it's 
the responsibility boy like I take issue with   it knew nothing about it you know what we we give 
it to an Administration to hire the best competent   staff I mean you know I can't we can't stop people 
from what they're doing right now uh you you don't   know what with, 1500 employees how do we know 
what we're doing someone could be FAL finding   something right now there could be an EMS driver 
that's you know doing bad things right now that's   just not the responsibility of the board although 
ultimately it comes to us but we really have no   control and so you we have responsibility for 
things we have no authority over because of the   errors that happen and sometimes all you can do is 
just try and clean it up I don't know whether this   person's innocent or guilty uh but I do want to 
know our legal position and I do know often times   there have been hundreds and millions of dollars 
spent on things when people thought that we'd be   exonerated and we know that we were on the right 
side of right but we still still spend millions   of dollars of taxpayer dollars I mean we talking 
about privilege taxpayer dollars it ain't this   board that's been spending privilege taxpayer 
dollars uh on on on legal I mean so and because   that's not my intent I mean I'm probably the most 
conservative guy when it comes to spending uh   government dollars so in in the course of things 
$5,000 if she's not guilty I don't know that I   would oppose it I mean because quite frankly um 
as I said we got $5,000 worth of Staff in here   right now that probably could be going do good 
work you got 10 people out here that make over   $100,000 I mean 120,000 and so they're sitting in 
here watching this debate over $5,000 it that's   bad government to me that's bad Administration 
when we're sitting here arguing over $5,000 when   people can be doing good work for our County 
reiterate what you said it doesn't meet the   intent of our instruction is that correct the 2014 
ordinance it didn't that what we talked about the   the payment you agree that's why you kept saying 
no because she did wasn't completely exonerated   so that criminal action that was dismissed this is 
the fdoh investigation in which she entered into   a settlement short of a hearing so there was no 
ultimate determination she settled she agreed to   settle the case after she had agreed to do the 
administrative board and go through the Merit   system protection board that's an entirely right 
separate process um the problem is not the money   here the problem is the public opinion about 
safety and to not even recognize that there was   a problem with fraudulent um life-saving cards is 
just I don't know I've only been nurs 33 that we   paid $5,000 and no one's been held accountable she 
was a training off more than $5,000 we're payler   it's not good governance to do that and it doesn't 
set an image that we're we're doing Public Safety   the way we should in my opinion if we're doing 
Public Safety the same way that we were doing   it then we're not doing it the right way I'm I'm 
assured now that there there's new Administration   we we spent hundreds of thousand doll to clean up 
Ems I mean we started back with sending Jerry Mard   over there because we had a problem and you know 
what I can't help that it whether it got corrected   or didn't get corrected I mean you know we were 
not in administration I mean all we can do is be   a policy board uh and so mik you said not sending 
a good message to me we're sending a good message   clean it up I've I've just heard that there's 
nobody that was working there that's working there   now I mean so you know that's a start and and and 
I'm sure if Wes finds somebody over there in EMS   or Public Safety that's doing bad things now he's 
probably going to get rid of them I mean and so   that's all we can do is supported I mean it's it's 
human era so for me I mean I'm not going to stay   here all day and swap yeah so if the landing spot 
is if the landing spot is the greater is is what   the kind of comment from you commissioner May 
is the the greater good I mean the alternative   would be potentially drop and bring it back but 
then we're going to end up in the same devolve   discussion so I just soon do what we're going to 
do I I can I can live with it so if I don't about   M well there's a motion in a second I mean so if 
there's no further useful discussion about the   item that's vote all those in favor please vote 
by say chairman before you vote Sor yeah I need   to make sure that the 5,000 does not include the 
250 Kate Kenny fine as it was in the siiver bill   are you that's correct thank you yes okay is that 
clear enough have we paid have we paid anybody   else's bill or is this the first one I believe 
Matthew sover we paid his too well he also had a   settlement agreement similar to this one with that 
resulted from the fdoh investigation and I believe   there and I'm Rusty on this but I believe there 
was also a fee request related to the criminal   investigation as well w w we got protocols in 
place now to ensure that that never happens again   I would assume we have policies and procedures and 
practices in place our job is to make sure those   policies and procedures are followed that I think 
that was some of the catastrophic failure over   there back in yeah I mean we had the policies 
the whole time I mean we never you know I mean   so my bad it's it's I I believe I mean I'm sure 
but Steve I I when you say all we can do as this   board is support policy-wise and administration 
uh there was lots of money uh a lot of direction   to go straighten it out so I mean if you send 
someone to do a job and they don't do it I mean I   I I don't know I mean so there there was effort 
uh to correct things uh in public safety and   EMS I mean it's all it's all very it's all very 
frustrating and and you know it's it's reminiscent   of some situations I think where you know I don't 
know that there are two sides and one side is   correct and one side is is incorrect I think that 
there's maybe not ideal behavior on both sides of   a discussion you know so it's just another just 
another in the line of in the Litany of those uh   of those problems manifesting themselves so yeah 
um no it's not you know living with it is probably   a good is probably a good phrase so yeah I can 
live with it so I one final question for Council   so are we setting a precedent where there's a 
Floodgate Of what others who are coming forth   that we're going to probably be petitioned to pay 
I could not predict that I I do not know how many   more out there that we would have to pay all I 
know is that in the past Mr sover presented a   request and I believe now that I'm thinking about 
it I believe that was limited to his settlement   with the fdoh that the attorney fees that were 
incurred for that defense um I don't know about   any others all right board ready for a vote 
we have a motion and we have a motion and a   second and it U and there was some clarification 
given by the council for the for Madam clerk so   I think we're good there so all those in favor 
please vote by saying I or by raising your hand   any descent thank you item passes 3 to one with 
commissioner ker in descent mam councel yes the   second discussion item is a request uh for further 
Direction regarding appending attorney general's   opinion request um you had previously directed uh 
the county attorney's office to seek an opinion   once uh and this is relating to the proposed 
chappie James uh Memorial Plaza uh and whether   or not tourist development tax funds um would be 
uh could be utilized for the construction of the   plaza improvements and so forth we were directed 
to seek an opinion once the ownership of not only   the property but the improvements was determined 
and that has not been determined and uh the   Attorney General will not answer that question or 
you know address that potential um whether or not   that whether or not it could qualify as a museum 
uh because that is tied to who owns it uh but   there is one other possible authoriz authorization 
and we could narrow the request or we could simply   withdraw the request until ownership is determined 
um if I might Mr chairman um Kristen we we have   batted this thing back and forth like a game of 
I I'll use pickle ball now instead of badminton   back and forth between the TDC and the BCC and the 
BC and the BCC and then the chappie James Museum   people I mean at some point I I I believe there's 
broad support for what we're going to do out there   at that bridge to honor chappie James um I think 
we've I think we've done our due diligence and   I mean uh you know my understanding was that the 
city came forward with with you know documentation   that showed that um you know that that they were 
going to own the property and therefore it was a   allowable expense since it's publicly owned so 
if if the board moves forward at some point we   can litigate these things to death and we can 
request letters that take six months and we're   never ever uh going to be able to do that I I 
mean listen I I commissioner did they clarify   who's going to own this the improvements above 
the dirt I think that's the I think that's the   qu question at hand well I mean and I don't know 
the answer there's a support agreement there's an   agreement between the champie James folks and and 
the city but I mean let me ask it this way let me   ask the question this way if we become decisive as 
we should and make a decision to fund it I want to   support that worst case scenario what would happen 
I mean I I just I don't want to get in trouble but   this is just so opaque um it's obviously going 
to bring people but it seems simple did we send   a letter to the mayor to their legal counsil to 
ask them the question we we no no we requested an   opinion from the Attorney General's office as to 
whether it's the funding source that's the issue   because it's a restricted funding source we can 
only use tdt money for authorized purposes under   the statute and there's a question as whether 
this particular use would qualify so you've   clarified whether not who's going to own it no no 
we have not been able to ascertain and we've I've   since even uh mayor Reeves recently sent you all 
a letter but it only stated that they would own   the property and I since followed up with the city 
attorney's office and he again confirmed that who   will own all of the improvements that has yet to 
be determined but could he say I mean the letter   to the mayor did he say we will own it or we will 
not own it I mean it's pretty black and white you   did not address who would own the improvements 
can we just send that letter cuz I'm I'm with   you have send that letter either they're going to 
own it or they're not going to own it and then we   get attorney general support I mean I'm going 
to support this you did they specific Kristen   did they specifically say they wouldn't improve 
own the improvements or they only alluded to the   dirt they will only confirm that they own they 
will own the property and who will own any of the   improvements will be determined in the future okay 
all right well I mean so they acknowledge that you   asked the question but they say they'll determine 
that in the future and do they recognize that   funding is dependent on rather not who owns it 
well funding could qualify under one category but   in order to qualify we would have to know the the 
ownership element then there is a second possible   category that it could fall under and so we could 
narrow the request that was previously sent uh   and only ask about that one purpose uh and see if 
that if this project qualifies for that how about   this so we meet nine days what if we what why 
don't why doesn't someone try to clarify either   I mean there's presumably there's three parties 
there's the county the city and the foundation   why don't we try to clarify between the city and 
the foundation who's going to own the improvements   and bring it back for discussion rather than 
taking action today and because what I wouldn't I   I think what we wouldn't want to do is amend 
a request to the ao's office for something and   then after we find out different information try 
to amend it again I mean I'm not I don't know that   this looks great anyway but it certainly doesn't 
look great doing that so maybe we just put it off   a week and try to narrow that down I I have to 
meet with the mayor you know I think I'm at knob   Co you know at the end of this week but before our 
next meeting I will meet with mayor Rees and try   to Define who's going to own the improvements and 
I will ask if you would reach out to the league   Christian today I already have um would you send 
them another email asking them to clarify it and   whether they answer it or not then I'll talk to 
I have it in writing he's already confirmed that   they do not know it has not been determined 
regarding the improvements with the exception   of the jet airplane which is on loan from the 
Air Force okay that's commuted I'll talk to DC   okay I mean you can't yeah I mean you have to 
get an answer I'll talk to DC all right we'll   we'll bring it back on the second hi board that 
is uh that concludes the meeting anybody has anything e for