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board board of County Commissioners Committee of the whole regular meeting I mean oh God yeah committee oh God that's another book oh we we got to do CRA first that's right how many how many books you give me yeah I have it now I was just yeah we're good scam County Redevelopment agency regular meeting March 6 20125 9:00 a.m. please turn your cell phone to vibrate silence or the offsetting the
board of County Commissioners allows for any person to speak regarding item on the agenda the speaker is limited to 2 minutes unless otherwise determined by the chairman is approve of publication the C CRA meeting was published in the Pensacola News Journal February 27th 2025 thank you sir are there any speakers for public form not to my knowledge thank you sir Technical and public service consent agenda I have recommendation concerning community redevelopment agency meeting minutes February 20th 202 five chair entertain a motion for the approval of the minutes we have
a motion second second please vote by raise your hand passes unanimous thank you so much budget and finance consent agenda yes we have three for your um approval first one is recommendation concerning residential Improvement grant program funding and lean agreements second one is recommendation concerning residential roof program funding and lean agreements and the third is recommendation concerning the cancellation of residential we have grant program leans any questions if not the chair entertain a motion we have a motion second and we have a second please vote that
passes unanimous thank you so much any items for discussion no discussions thank you at this time we stand in Jour turning hands of the chairman Mr chairman all right good morning everyone how I'd like to do this we'll do a quick agenda review and then mostly by default if there's some items of discussion and then we'll move into the committee of the whole um I got the invitation this evening uh commissioner strober do you mind doing the pledge do you mind doing the pledge thing
okay okay thank you any issues on the proclamations Jose do we have everyone for those okay uh public hearings is there any anything that needs to be pulled on that this evening all right looks like we're good I'm going to keep moving forward gmr I see we have a few tonight Horus looks like we got total of eight everything's good for that tonight no landmines all right all
right uh West C is got 14 items on the Tactical Public Service consent agenda if anybody has any questions all right we have 31 items on the Budget Finance consent agenda if anybody has any questions about that uh I don't just is there any items that we're going to need to discuss tonight or we want to get out of the way now okay and then we have three discussion items okay and the discussion items let me put in I think I know what they are but do you want to just remind me appoints to the commissioner May um obviously three of the discussion items one of them is the
affordable housing um or you want to have any discussion this morning you want us to wait till tonight um you know I I I know that you got this Bas Center thing so I'll just reserve it and and have the discussion tonight okay all right if that's it then I'm going to go ahead and move forward with the Cal if there know a further discussion for the agenda all right so agenda review is ended um we will move into the committee of the whole the committee the whole um is at
order um do you mind doing the pledge for the please stand IED to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay thank you very much um has the meaning been properly advertised Mr chairman this meeting was advertised in the Pensacola News Journal on February 27th 2025 in the board's
weekly meeting schedule okay thank you very much all right I think we can move into talking about the discussion of our uh item today which is uh the base Center and I appreciate everyone that's here I I sat down with several of you last night for a couple hours and had a a really good brief I appreciate your time last night um and I think what I'd like to do at this point is I'd like I don't know who Mike's going to start the brief or if it's is it going to be Mike let's start
with that and brief the board kind of what we did last night and then as any of the Commissioners have questions we can go from there does that sound reasonable all right let's go Mr chairman yes what's your ultimate goal today uh well my goal you mean with the Bas Center yeah with the Bas Center yeah uh well we have okay so there's a two there's a tonight on the tonight's agenda we have to vote on if we're going to approve an extension and if uh if we wanted to look at ASM
doing some um design work in that so there's two different options on that so that that's going to be a decision for the night this morning what I would say the intent is is for me for the each commissioner to have input so depending on what we do decide the future of the base Center um we have Collective thought on what we want to do with it and that's kind of why this was the committee to hold for me this um to move forward with why did you have something else on your mind no no I I I I know that I've talked to Alison Pat and and the mayor I know that they may
be doing a study as well I just want to make sure that we're working in tandem with our partners at the city and and and with the mayor so I don't know if there's been any discussion with him with anyone other than myself or with staff I I see commissioner not in her head so I just want to make sure all all the information is laid out you know yeah this is in my mind is an informational brief that would to set the you know the president and then obviously the the mayor as you know is said he's going to give us an opinion paper or something I don't know what exactly that's going
to be but um still waiting on that but I've heard that as well yeah well I I think he's already announced that he's going to do a a a a study or whatever and I know there's been multiple studies and so I'm supportive of this you know getting off first base we just want to know and be supportive of where you were but to be inclusive I mean I I think myself and you represent a small portion of the city but two of us represent a large portion of the city and I I think that their input would probably be welcomed I know in my district it would be sure I I want everyone to be included
some f with that all right any any other questions before we get started all right Mr caps it's sure let's go yes sir thank you um can I get some support on it to get this up on the screen uh is Peter back there oh there he is okay perfect thank you very much uh Michael caps general manager of the ASM Global at pen SC base Center uh thank you for having us today and having the opportunity to talk about the base Center and all the conversations that we've had with Community uh members stake me stakeholders and so forth uh I was asked to give a quick update on the 10 million
that was in progress right now so I'll just touch base on that that's projects that are going on that was previously approved by TDC and and the board here uh with the new ice plant the new ice floor the new ice rink the retractable seating uh around the lower level uh of seats the parking lot repaving uh taking out the old chaining fence putting in a new more aesthetic fence um new sound new lighting and the new lock room improvements all that is to be done and completed by the end of September going into next season uh that is 6 million out of that 10 million allocation and the
4 million is remaining over the next two years again depending on what direction we go we may not do some of those and hold those back um but and then put that towards the renovation but all those is uh that 10 million is primarily for the fur maintenance uh issues that we've had over the years with the base Center to get small things fixed so that's in addition to any conversation about Renovations or uh new improvements to the base center with that said uh would like to give you a quick recap on our performance uh for what's happened over the the past few
years as you can see here um we've met our kpis uh We've cons continually reduced the subsidy uh the amount that we've actually needed um from preco 2018 2019 you see the small improvements Co was the kind of anomalies with those two years uh and then we came in ahead a budget by 290 then 2 352 and then this past current year into 24 558 ahead of budget again that's just making
things smarter looking at our strategic plan on how we're doing business how we're booking shows how we're running our concession stands how we're improving with point and sale system Dynamic pricing and so forth and I'll touch on that in our food and beverage here in a second so we T we look at the way the building operates and um the income that makes doesn't go to ASM I want to make sure that that is that is clear this is actually for the operation of the base Center and the bottom line for the base Center so as you can see here it's trending
growth and non-tenant events so what this is is concerts graduations pensacon any other type of events that we're generating Revenue you've seen a growth from 46 uh, per uh event to 75,000 uh per event uh this past year hockey is not included in this but hockey is trended the same way um 2020 we were around 10,000 average net income uh event per event per game uh this current year we're somewhere in the range between 40 and 50,000 per game so that just shows you the
Improvement that's happened with one a attendance has been up even though we're last place in the uh league right now know Greg's working on that but we are leading the league in attendance and they're getting ready to set another record they're averaging sales of over 5,000 per game uh focusing more in on our food and bever average um this shows you our growth of you know from 2.58 million all the way up to 3.85 this current year what that is is uh leveraging our systems with our point of sale our Dynamic pricing um where we can
look at adjusting what type of level event so we could charge x amount for a beer for this event x amount for a beer for that event uh with some just the minor tweaks um can really make a huge difference um but we also with our Dynamic pricing we we do things where we offer different food uh selections and options one case in point is popcorn you know we had one size of popcorn at one point we added a large size increased that price so if somebody really wanted that we could get a better return on that but we offered a value siiz popcorn so if somebody
really didn't want that and they still wanted to pay three bucks for a popcorn they could still do that um in addition to our um our growth we've been able to leverage our uh Ticket Master uh agreement to where those fees are retained more for the buildings bottom online and as people are moving more towards online ticket buying more of those transactions are taking place and instead of those going to Ticket Master they're coming back to the the building and into the community here uh with that said uh that kind of sums up our uh performance um today I do want to introduce and
we have uh the head of our Arena stadiums theaters and Convention centers Mr Doug Thorton he's based out in New Orleans uh he's been instrumental with the Dome operations there and and he can dive more into that that uh as he's the expert in it but he works on a lot of projects throughout the country and across the world uh with our company we also have Grant Hall who is uh business operations and strategy he's he's our math wizard that can come in and tell you if you add one point of sale you're going to get x amount of dollars per person that's going to come in and we can
model that out and as we look at our show growth and our increases it's really more about that business strategy to get the return on investment for whatever our communities are putting into our buildings and then we take that and run with it he also works with our room to run report um which is an internal thing where we analyze that data and then we can really look at Market by market so and space by space so if uh a market our similar size is averaging $20 per cap and we're AR are averaging $15 per cap how do we bridge that Gap uh and then we also
have Jason Bray who is our regional uh VP that oversees our building that I report to uh and he oversees a few other buildings uh in the same uh size shape uh so we strategize and then we can help route help work problems together throughout the different buildings um I say all that once uh Doug comes up he's going to talk a little bit about our company and then we'll dive into the renovation uh concepts of where we were how we got here and then uh look at next steps forward
to receive your feedback and hear what you have to say and what direction you like us to go in uh and I will um kind of Tee It Off uh to let you know that we did do the facility condition condition assessment in 2023 that was completed in October uh the concepts were delivered uh at the same time frame as well as we got a draw schedule example from populace uh we did the amended uh version in May of 24 uh and at that time there was some work done on the sports facility through the summer uh and then we came back with that final uh presentation that was made to the TDC in August we
revamped that again to uh grow that going from the 30 million to a little bit more down at the Baye Center uh looking at the Event Center side of things uh and that was in November December uh and now we kind of hit that pause button now we're back to restart those conversations with the board here to see what the vision uh is and what the appetite is for the stakeholders and the community and what direction uh we want to go in hey Mike I have a quick question I should ask you this last but the 10 million that you got from tdt when is those Renovations supposed to be completed
so the it was spread Over a four-year time frame okay so we were finally approved um last summer um but to implement those projects we didn't have the time to do those before the season started so all those rolled into this summer so the first two years are being completed this summer minus the locker room Renovations that we did for sun Bel uh and for the hockey team we improved their ath athletic training room uh those types of little projects but the majority is going to be done July through September of this year okay that's good to know thank you yes
sir Mr chairman good morning members of the commission my name is Doug Thornton I'm the president of North American venues for ASM Global many of you may know us uh formerly as SMG uh for many many years um what I want to do this morning is talk a little bit about our company and uh the new ownership of our company and the capabilities that we have and then we'll spend a few minutes talking about the base Center and some of the work that we've done here over the last couple
of years to think about um the improvements um SOG uh was formerly owned as you may recall by the pritsker family the owners of the Hyatt um well through various iterations our company became ASM Global when we merged with AEG which is a big national uh concert promoter content provider who owns uh what used to be the Staple Center now called crypto.com Arena O2 Arena in London um AEG and Onyx Big private Equity Firm held us for five years and just recently um August of um last
year we were acquired by um Legends Hospitality which is principally owned by six Street Capital uh the Dallas Cowboys and the uh New York Yankees so um we are now a partner um with that with that group what does that mean uh it means that our company is twice the size as it was before we have probably tripled the resources that we had previously um you know us as venue managers which
is our core uh not only maintaining improving and booking and caring for these uh these assets that are owned by municipalities but now we have even greater capabilities in uh selling sponsorship selling premium seating uh doing food service project management construction management all of those Services have been overlaid into the ASM Global Network as part of the Legends acquisition um you saw some of the highlights there that Michael mentioned in terms of the performance
we're seeing that companywide over the last three years um we our company is supported by folks like Jason Bray and and Grant who are with me Grant Hall who's with me today um and we have the the ability um to Benchmark our success and compare buildings of similar peer sets among one another I guess uh across the country as it relates to per cap spending uh Revenue per show and things of that nature to make sure that we're getting the most out of these buildings in
terms of their financial performance as well as cost control so um we we've seen great success in all of our buildings around the country the live entertainment business has has never been better our Pace reports for all of our concerts have been trending upward uh you probably read about that you see that in uh the Wall Street Journal and some of the business Publications about uh people spending more money and entertainment well um that's the business we're in so uh you're part of a large network of facilities uh we have over 200 facilities
uh in the us alone 68 arenas 57 Performing Arts Theaters We R run here right down this or right next door uh the Sanger um we have 72 convention centers and seven NFL stadiums and we're working with three NFL teams right now uh on Stadium development projects around the country so you're part of that big Network so that's the those are the resources that we're able to deploy here to be able to help Michael uh succeed in in terms of the um success that we've had
um yeah so um I mentioned U our construction experience you know we've managed well over7 billion doll worth of projects as ASM Global currently Legends our parent company is managing over 11 billion do worth of construction U projects like the new Buffalo Bill Stadium that's being developed um up in Buffalo um we've got um a project um uh in Dallas we're opening up
this month the national um um it's the U medal of honors Museum U about $1 billion in total we work with a number of different Architects these are just four that we put on the screen here that are uh National firms populace ginzler H H&B populus is who did your study here several years ago uh we work very closely with them on what we can do at the at the bay center and one of the things that we bring um you know two two use of as a company is subject matter
experts and all of these buildings that I just mentioned that we manage we have people with a variety of skills whether it be production engineering it could be booking it could be food service we're able to work with the Architects and design a facility to get the maximum efficiency out of the revenue production as well as as the um as the uh production per show let's see Michael if I can here we go so um a few years ago we um we work with populace
I think populus was contracted by you to do the studies here that you see on the screen um this was done about a year and a half ago um uh the one on the far right is just the Standalone um concept of the Event Center uh the first three that you see there are various iterations of um of the base Center improvements so what we did is we took these four different concepts uh and at the direction of the County uh we looked at you know what we could do to maximize the revenue
with the available dollars that were provided at the time so um we studied um we studied this and came up with a a price tag of approximately 44 5 million you can see here on the screen um now each of these upgrades are designed to generate the most revenue for the building uh and to improve the customer and Fan Experience um we could go through each one of these in detail there's a lot of work a lot of proformer work that's um that's behind these numbers um but you can see that uh
that this is a total of about 47 million when you include the new video boards uh that would be on the exteror that's an option that could be placed um uh into the program uh and also the rigging capacity upgrades that may be needed in order to accommodate some of the bigger shows um one of the things that's been talked about recently is the addition of a flex space or event space um now this is an older rendering here that was done by populace it shows an event center uh that is
placed um outside the base Center in the parking lot um you can disregard the square footage and the price tag of this because there would need to be more work done if there's going to be an event center placed uh next to the Bas Center uh to to to think about the size and the shape and the the program um but uh this is this is an addition to uh the base Center itself and would be used for uh primarily Youth Sports and potentially a practice rank for for hockey which could be again flexed
for uh conferences and and Convention activity um and this is just a um uh a general uh rollup if you will of the total amount of dollars that would be needed uh you can see we were given a a sort of a working number of 85 million as a total uh price tag U so folding in the improvements to the Baye Center and including the Event Center uh you know we'd have to work with populace or whoever you select as an architect uh to determine the scope of the project and get a better idea of
the actual cost on a per unit basis so um that's just a highlevel summary of the work that we've done over the last year and a half uh we probably need to bring this current because it's been uh some time since we've studied this uh of course prices in the construction Market have varied um quite substantially over the last two years um so one of the things that we want to talk about is the extension of our contract um we think it's important for two reasons one uh you need to continue to operate the base Center and I think you could see from the previous slides
that Michael shared with you the performance has been trending in the right direction uh so we'll need to continue to operate the base Center while we're thinking about what improvements need to be done uh and then a second thing is we believe that we can help you navigate that landscape and work with uh your team the architectural team to determine the best uh outcome you know for the Center and if that includes the event center next door uh we we can help we can help with that as well so what we've we've done here is we've provided two options for the commission's
consideration option one is just a simple extension you know for the two-year period to continue operating option two is the same two-year extension with no change in the business terms but we would offer $200,000 to u to to basically bring forward the populace study refine it and have CSL which is company called convention Sports and Leisure uh upgrade the crossroads study and do more of a market feasibility for both the event center and and the Bas Center so
um that's what we wanted to share with you this morning we're happy to answer any questions Mr chairman if you don't mind I just have a quick clarification question so on the the populace study are you just saying that you're going to fund the popul study I mean it's it's the give or take the approximate matter you're going to find 100% of it the update of it is that the gist of what you're saying we would provide up to 200,000 we think we can do both the CSL and the popul study for that amount of money yes okay so I mean to you know if we're looking to provide
the extension how about the language say that you'll just provide the studies we can do that okay I mean I I rather than a set dollar amount I mean I I you know I mean I wouldn't assume if it came in less that we would get you know uh uh the spread the Delta between the 200,000 and whatever the studies were so if the language just says that you'll provide the studies then that's I mean I I would prefer that and then you clearly have an ability to negotiate with cs and with populace and CSL so right okay super good point commissioner bar okay Stefan we can we can update that
okay think you want to continue um I'm happy to answer any other questions I think that U anything else Michael okay is there any other board questions at this time I actually I like that uh comment and um I last night when I was talking to the folks the option two study aligns with the sunbolt conference um uh contract um it's something that you know obviously that's good for our community as well so we'll see where you all want to go but I kind of know where I want
to go all right I I you have a study I know you mentioned that you managed several other facilities that are similar um I'm assuming that all of us have received the emails asking for additional ey sheets in Escambia County is there an Roi study or a anticipated rate of return as far as investing in a second ey sheet versus not putting that second IE sheet in or do you have a recommendation there we don't um you know we'd have to look at that we talked a little bit about that last night um I think there are two ways you can go with a second sheet of ice um one
is just to B basically build a a roof structure with an ice plant um which would be probably the most uh efficient in terms of the cost if you want to do something bigger than that you know that would be more for um tournaments in community it might cost you more money uh it's going to be fairly expensive to do that uh and I don't know if that's something that the the hockey Community um or particularly the hockey team would need I think a second sheet of ice would be would be Ben beneficial and there's there's probably a way we talked about this yesterday probably a way
to combine the uh the ice rink with the Event Center so that you've got a flex floor because you know the glycol unit and um all the equipment is located in the concrete floor so when you're not using it for ice hockey it's just a concrete floor that you can convert and put you know sport court on top I I think that's something that Robie we need to just to make sure everyone understands last night when I know raising the back but you know you have the 50,000 which is a event conference but that other 25,000 opens up for PSA to do a lot more uh sporting events and that's
why it needs in my opinion to be a flex space at a minimum if if the hockey obviously we can do that as well and then you look at if you can bring we you know what they said we could actually bring in quite a bit more conference stuff with that space as well and I mean I I don't know that we're going to firm up that that part of the discussion but as we as we talk about it I mean I'm supportive of the the larger you know finding a way to have the larger space you know adjacent but you know the ice issue I think one thing that that we need to consider as we as we as
we as a board talk about the additional ice is the impact on the current facility that the additional facility will have as far as opening it up there are times that uh you know there are certainly times now that that demographic that would like to utilize the ice there unable to do so because there are other events going on in the bay center which wouldn't be going on in that bay center going forward those events would be moved to the adjacent facility which would free up space at the base Center I you know so that the any additional ice I think is a
much bigger discussion but I think it's uh I think we're missing the Mark if we're not considering the impact on the current utilizers by having an adjacent facility and the amount of space and time that that's going to free up with what we already have and the and especially the capital that we've already put into additional ice infrastructure into the current Baye Center um I think there'd be a lot more potential for utilization uh commissioner offer you have comment um I actually
it's a question and it's just because I don't have the background on it um Michael you mentioned deferred maintenance that we were kind of catching up on some of that who's in charge of the maintenance schedule for the base Center and then the execution of that schedule ASM uh SMG has been in control of that uh we do annual inspections with with the county uh we do uh monthly PMS uh we go through all that that rigor uh however the funding amount has been controlled by the uh the county and we've been allocated 200 per year since day one the uh the building's been open 40 years
and that number has remained stagnant there's been a mechanical upgrade with HVAC uh once the seats have been replaced once uh the sound system has been replaced once uh the um the ice plant is now being replaced um that's the major I'm sorry the last one was the video boards that we put in with some belt and at that time you know ASM came in with 450,000 to help with that that project was just under a million uh total to do those video boards okay and if we're looking at investing such
a huge amount which I think is great is there a recommendation on how much we should budget per year for maintenance going forward absolutely uh right now there's a working number of taking that 200 to 500 per year on an annual basis that's conversations that we've had with Steph and with OMB um and I think both of us and I'll let he can speak for himself but I think we're both in that that that number range okay great thank you so that's a three Stefan did you want to comment I saw you jump up and sit back down I could see you had wanted to share something with us
uh yes sir to to the uh uh commissioner Hoffer's uh point and and and uh about that I think uh with such a uh a robust investment in the facility 200,000 is no longer going to be enough we need to make sure we keep keep those things maintained uh and and keep those this the this investment useful so I do uh believe that going to 500,000 a year would be appropriate uh to do that now I know there's other other comments as far as is um with these improvements you know and obviously you
know having a new management agreement um some of the some of where we we have landed was you know the 1.3 million subsidy uh since our partners feel so good you know about these Investments and and what what what we as a community will get and and they as a management company uh will get through these Investments that that 1.3 subsidy would go away so that's those are things that we will negotiate through but but previously those are things that we have discussed well and that's um that point I brought up last night because that's you know I know every commissioner up
here has been told why is the county subsidizing 1.3 million and I think whatever we move forward with which I would like to do something bold we have to know that the return on investment is going to be there because it's a risk that we all have to take and there's some political Capital when we do that if we're going to lose money so um but I but I think you have a good business sign I I feel confident with what you presented with me last night I think we can move forward um little concerned on you know the ice like you said um commissioner Barry you know the ice ice folks have you know lobbied really hard the ice time currently goes from 8 till midnight almost
every day if you've seen those schedules there's there's a lot of opportunity there to do something else and I don't know if it needs to be there somewhere else in the community that's not sure but that's my my opinion on that yeah I mean we we we do just also have to remember that asking a lot doesn't necessarily mean that that's what you get just because you ask a lot I mean I think I think that's something that's important to remember you know in in this discussion as well as other discussions that we may have just because you want something to happen badly doesn't mean it's
our responsibility to you know deliver that so commission M thank you Mr chairman and and first let me uh thank Michael caps on on what you're doing at DES Sun bsy Ray Palmer uh I can't you know think of anyone that's doing a better job as as a public servant than you might so I certainly appreciate it um Mr chairman I don't see this facility as just a tourist development um venue I see it as a quality of life venue uh whether we're using it as a shelter uh in a in a storm
or whether we're using it for a graduation for Pensacola state or all of our high schools I mean it's you know it's right there in our district where our district meet and it is a part of our downtown it is a part of local quality of life whether it's hockey or whether it's a concert I mean it's not necessarily you know something that brings people in from out of town all the time but it does and so I I I have no problem with it being funded out of those funds but if we look at any Progressive City and if you're looking at hosting a State basketball tournament or a indoor
soccer tournament or you think of Hosting uh our high school basketball games you know not just the Sun Belt or WWF or PSC or things that happen in the city um it it's part of the residents I think that the school board should be at the table I think the city should be at the table I think it should be a mixture because quite frankly uh we are toting the entire load of of funding it uh and so if people going to have input they have to have you know input but with dollars and so I
mean it should be a universal center that's being used all the time time uh and from graduations to high school games uh to Allstar games those type of things would provide a great quality of life for the citizens of Isam County we should use it that I mean it's our largest park I mean you know maybe the beach but I mean this in the City of Pensacola that's the largest park and so a part of this conversation I'm all in where we're going uh the capital outlay is a little different for me from the operational outlay uh but in this capital outlay I mean I think that we should make sure
that our Municipal partners are contributing uh financially uh to the mix of Revenue that we have to have to bring this facility where we want it to be I like that comment you going to lead with the mayor on that I'm I'm happy I said from an offset let's let's have a joint meeting with the mayor and the city council and bring the school board I mean because there there can be I mean it can be a Roi for the school board uh and they can contribute now you know on the capital outlay and I mean there's all type of ways you can um give them uh free graduations or whatever but the
school board I mean if you look at any you look at Birmingham you look at a lot of the progressive cities you look at their big high school games basketball they're at their base Center or their civic center and I mean Florida State turned theirs over to I mean Leon turned theirs over to Florida State and that's where they have the big events right there in their civic center so I mean I would just like to as we move forward make sure that we're engaging that conversation and give the other Municipal Partners an opportunity to help fund if they decide not to then they don't uh but I think that our friends uh at the TDC and our tourism friends would certainly appreciate
you know the mix of income coming from multiple sources well thank you I I I think I agree with all that commissioner strober yeah I agree with all that too where I went to high school we had a big Recreation Center that we did all those things school dances were there and graduation was there and all the high schools participated and did that um and we had all those facilities we had basball courts racket ball courts lots of meeting space um my question is about the uh Ice
uh the second cheet ice we are getting a new ice plant is that right Michael and that ice plant will um accommodate two sheets of ice is that right you can run two sheets of ice on one plant uh the challenge is going to be with location so typically you have to have them close otherwise you run those pipes to a long distance So currently to try to put the Event Center we'd have to study it with populace to see how close that event center could be so we could do that
in my best guess I don't think we could we would probably need another plant and a new floor to do that okay if the way it's on concept 4 correct yes sir building no no not another building just another plant yeah this just another ice plant yes and and if I may on on the the Ice uh and talking about ice it's very important I do want to stress that be if we did have the Event Center it does move a lot of events that aren't Arena concert events or hockey games those events could
go to that event center so pensacon The Graduate you know balls all that kind of stuff it's going to open a lot more ice up pensacon takes out a whole week so that gets a week back for for the figures and one other thing about the insurance on the the arena uh performa is it reasonable to think that the insurance is going to be the same same rate I mean no sir we we'll never anticipate the same Insurance okay Mike how many jobs do you provide currently we well we just we're hiring two right now that'll
take us to 18 full-time staff normally we run with 24 full-time at I mean previously we did um but we have uh close to 150 to 200 part-time employees primarily seasonal work I mean that's from house and we do a lot of contract work as well so we work with local labor companies Express people ready csse those types um but then our food and beverage uh Department all of our part-timers there uh we also do work with nonprofits uh that run our stands um so I think
the last numbers I looked at the last year we were just over 400,000 uh that the nonprofits were able to earn by working our vents that went back into our community thanks M yes sir commissioner Hopper I actually have two questions the first one being who's in charge of selling or marketing the naming rights for the facility would that be your group or does that fall in the county ASM Global um but and that Mr Thorton could probably speak a little bit more to that with the Legends coming in they that's what they do um they're really good at it and so that sales
portion from Legends would come in and help work with our local team a part of the performa does with the renovations does include a new staff new salaries commission based to go out there and sell and earn to be able to bring that back and it's not just naming rights for the building it's naming rights for basically anything that we can do and you'll see that you know with the improvements hockey teams in it when they have the video boards their sponsorships have gone up so we the more you bring these types of assets on the more opportunity that's there there is a cap in our Market we're we're not a huge market so we're not going to get a million5
million naming rights um but we could get 400 to 600,000 okay um and then when it comes to I know convention space is a huge deal and that's something we want to see because we want to bring in Regional conventions moving that to flex space and making it space that you can use for volleyball tournaments or cheerleading tournaments and then also using that for convention space Have you seen that done in other markets and if so so what has been the success rate of those facilities I'm not currently in the uh convention Space Mr Thorton can speak to that but I think ultimately
what we're looking at and trying to fit within the budget is once you get into that true bigger conference Convention Center the price is just too much that that we can reach so we feel that we can serve the market and what we can produce U from the sport side it's proven it's there um you look at our competitors to the east and west of us they have these sports facilities but they don't have a 10,000 seat Arena adjacent to it so then you you bring in these these flat floor competitions and then you run your championship in a big arena it's a completely different experience so that
that would differentiate us from from somebody else and make us more competitive I think that's something that we would want to review with the Architects and the planners the answer is yes um probably the best example we can give you is one we discussed yesterday in Rico County uh up in um near Richmond Virginia uh it's a space that's um it's a big it's a big facility it's over 100,000 square fet but uh it's a flexible space that accommodates uh Youth Sports as well as
conferences and conventions you kind of have to be one or the other um because you know when you go to a conference meeting space is usually very nice finishes whereas an Athletic Facility can be just a roof in pling courts so to be able to um design it in such a way to where it can be flexible you can do that um we just need to figure out what the intended uses are and we'll have to have a designed two budget uh so the answer is yes we can accommodate it uh and that's that's what the popul
study would help us do is to determine size do a test fit what's the program meaning the design program what are the intended uses uh what's the benefit to the community these event centers that we're talking about are not going to be cash flow positive they're Community uh recreation centers that are going to generate economic impact for you in terms of Tourism Hotel taxes it'll help the restaurants so you'll get your return on the investment through the visitors uh as opposed to
the base Center which is going to be a revenue producer if we can make those improvements that we shared with you on the screen those were all um uh defined by Revenue production there will be a return on the investment which as Stefan said will help lower that deficit or raise that deficit whereas The Event Center is going to be an economic demand generator for you so we'd have to design it to accommodate both but think the answer is yes we have examples that we can point to and you said Rico County can you give me the name of that facility Rinko County it's it's called the
enrio County Sports and events center I believe um we can get you the details on it it's um it's a converted shopping mall well done yeah and uh it's it's it accomodates a wide variety of sports and youth recreation events from volleyball basketball cheer competitions and some different types of convention U spaces that would use it as trade show floor awesome thank you so much commissioner man so I just for a point of clarification for me do you think that the you think we can incorporate
the event center and the conference center all on on the that's something we'll have to study I think you can I think there's a way to do it and I'm giving you a precedent uh example with enrio County um where they have done it um if you wanted to design strictly a conference center you would probably design it in a different way um to have higher level finishes you know nice meeting rooms great banquet facilities which is what you'd find maybe at a hotel okay something like that um
if we're talking about designing something that's going to track Youth Sports and be a conference center that can accommodate what we call Flat show events meaning trade show you know convention Gatherings where you have you know maybe theater style seating with a Podium um you could do that um with an event center and probably even accommodate your hockey floor uh in the off period now that's going to drive the cost up but you could probably you there may be a way to do both
right and I guess we'd have to do the study I mean obviously I support we need both um because I mean all of us go to a lot of conferences and I mean we would have the ability I mean I think we have one facility on the beach and I think that you know through the relationships we probably could use a conference center uh but I guess my my question would be Is it feasible to put both or would they be independently standing along that's I guess question one and then question two has there been any discussion with the hotel um next to the base Center and with the tech park
with the vacant land that we have we haven't had any discussion with the hotel I would defer to Michael or Reay on that but um with regard to the location the size of the building and the design program that's what we would want to study you know that's that's all part of what we would want populace in CSL to take a look at uh and come back with a more definitive cost estimate for you a schedule to how it can be phased so it won't impact the U the work that the ongoing
operations of the base Center you don't want to shut that down for any period of time and by the way we just completed a $550 million renovation of the super Doom around four Saints Seasons we did have to shut down for a couple of months um in the off season uh for two years but it can be done you know you can wall off certain areas no different than if you're building you know um restaurant in a shopping mall and still operate at the same time it's not ideal but Renovations like this take place around the country all the time but we that's what we would want to study commissioner
is the is the feasibility the size of it and the location uh to give you the most effective um output commission so this would add to the I'm sorry one question so a new popular study would be different from the current study that we had done I guess in 2023 I mean because I I know Steve I don't know how many you can remember but I know that we've studied the base center with multiple studies I think at least two or three since I've been on the board I just want to see
what gets us to where we need to be without continuing you know giving people false hope in doing just studies I mean obviously we need a plan but I know we've studied this thing over and over but now we're telling you something new so maybe it has I'm just trying to understand what's from another consultant let me see if I can answer that um there really has not been any sort of design work done uh on the Event Center so um that needs to be undertaken um and I would recommend
that we if we like the program that we were sharing with you earlier some of the ideas that we put forth with regard to the renovation of the base Center those need to be refined and we need to have more than something than just a concept we need need to get you know basically to a schematic phase where we can start pricing and get uh real numbers estimates in terms of construction cost and phasing and scheduling uh which will help us to find you know what it's going to take in order
to finish the job so I think it's not just a study I would consider it to be more of a uh conceptual schematic design of these facilities cuz we're moving from we're moving from assessment which we already did yeah we've already done the assessment in concept we need to we need to start getting architectural designs well I I think it's that's right it's the next step with the base Center in terms of design because I think we know the what we know the the what we want to do there generally now we need to see you know structurally can you move those walls can you uh can you do this
without you know building a new Wing uh and then separately we need to look at the Event Center if that is the desire of the Commission in the county to move forward with a flex space that hasn't been that hasn't been conceptualized we we need to determine how much it would cost do a test fit what's the program what are the intended uses how much will it produce in terms of economic impact what's the subsidy that would be required what's the maintenance that would be required over the next few years that hasn't been evaluated in depth no thank you for that
clarification one other question in terms of the naming rights and I've recommended you know a long time and Steve you've been here naming rights uh you know whether we at the CNN Center or the Mercedes or whatever so you have the naming rights to the Bas Center is that to name the building or who has the naming rights if we wanted to name it the Mike ker base Center I mean what does it cost and who who controls that well it first of all it's it's it's the county up here that can afford it's the county it's the county asset so we're we're your agent and you you would
delegate the uh I guess the Authority for us to go and market and sell the name and title um now we have some thoughts about how that can be done um as Michael mentioned I think a what I'll call a rebranding of the facility with the improvements gives us the calling card if you will to go to the corporate community and say we've got a new center we got new activities we even have an event center next door let's put your brand and celebrate that now most of these naming rights deals are
done uh through Civic patrons I'd say half of them are not just for the advertising but they're also done because of the B2B or b2c relationships that they can have in their own Community you see this a lot you know where local companies will sponsor uh name and title of an arena so we have uh through our combined companies now through Legends we have the ability as Michael mentioned uh greater than ever before we had we we had the ability before but now we have even a
greater ability uh to be able to bring in National companies um our company Legends sold the name and title to Sofi stadium in Los Angeles um they've sold I think it's over 20 billion dollars worth of name and title sponsorships across the country so we've got National um professionals that do this and we would bring their expertise here but the key is rebranding the facility you've got make improvements you got to do something different it can't be the same old base Center and just
stick the name up there you've got to give people a reason to want to invest in that so that's what we would need to work with um you guys to develop I think over the next few years well the economy of scale I mean I mean some of our friends who are getting name and rights on Garden Street and Main Street particularly attorneys and I kind of know the perform and what they're paying uh when we brag on all the traffic that's going to the beach and all the traffic that's going down town uh and we have the visibility for I 10 I think that we're missing a a real opportunity
uh to put a name there whether it's a Civic name or whether it's one of our professional athletes or whatever I mean that's a real opportunity and I I concur with you when we rebranded and make it newer it's going to be more attractive uh but you know it's going to be a scami county base Center or whatever in perpetuity uh but to not explore putting the naming rights I think is a lost opportunity of Revenue you know for scam you count we we have some ideas that we can share with you on exterior LED displays that you know are very affordable today compared to say 10 years
ago the technology is much better um uh as a way to do exactly what you just mentioned and that is capture the eyeballs that are driving to the beach okay uh and that's one way that a company is going to get a return on their investment is through brand recognition but the other way of course is going to be through like I said the the business to Consumer relationship so it's important to be able to try to identify companies that are local or Regional whether it's a grocery chain or maybe the banking sector or Pro possibly Insurance sector God knows they
need the help down here right so um we would help identify those those companies that are in this region and with the rebranding of the facility be able to go out and Market it on your behalf but the answer is you would be the commission would be the ones that would have approval rights of that of that deal we would just be your selling agent to go market it right okay well I mean it's the largest building downtown I mean we spend a a a ton of money on marketing uh tourism uh and we
have a huge billboard there and a huge piece of property with a lot of right traffic that should be utilized in our tourism program in our marketing program Michael put an image here this is just an image that U again and for illustrative purposes but this is um a product called media mesh uh that um could be designed on the exterior of the building uh it may just be on one portion of it I think there's a there's another slide here that actually has a really good image um
uh of how this application you know applies to um a larger scale format uh but there there are ways to um put the name and title on the exterior of the building uh that are very affordable so uh these are just Concepts again we would want to Define it but that when we say rebranding that's what we're talking about yes sir thank you thank you Mr chairman okay let commissioner Barry and then we'll just come back down and with comments do you have something you'd like to I have your word count do you have a meeting no go ahead Mr Barry one minute to 10 baby got so I was just
gonna say before we break uh Ray Ray Palmer is here I'd be interested if Ray had any comments about the discussion I don't know that you know with the event across the street this evening I would I would think that Ray would probably be you know trying to bring him up is that come on up you have comment if you didn't mind um I would assume he'd be advocating on our behalf this evening probably across the street so maybe not here and see and I'm I'm glad R and I see Greg Harris is here and we talked a lot about hockey so if Greg had something I would also as said he'd be allowed to speak yeah I actually would like Greg I saw him walking late Greg I got your
text this morning if you want to make a comment come on up after Ray Greg you want to go first well you know don't ever give me a microphone because I always have something to say first this is a wonderful transformational day um uh as I hear some of these things I answer some of your questions of commissioner hoffberger the reality is it's all about money you ask can you you can if you have enough money uh commissioner may you talk about can you play basketball you played basketball and your travels in Conference Centers where they've gone in and thrown Sport Court down
yes you can but for every new knife plade you put in that Swiss army knife you're taking the quality of the other components away in some capacity if you want to be the purest of pure you build something specific so as flexible as we can be I think is very positive and I think I I mean for 23 years and four days I've had the key to Pensacola Sports and I have traveled representing Escambia County from Miami to San Diego to Portland to the Northeast and everywhere
in between and I've seen all the possibilities it's all about how much money are you willing to commit and where are you willing to find it aoi Florida just committed North of1 billion dollar to build a sports facility 1 billion in this small community outside Orlando so it's a marvelous day and opportunity for our community we can do whatever we are committed to do I think we have a phenomenal partner right here with assets that we need to abuse them and take advantage
of their references and their capabilities to provide us opportunities and examples of what other communities are doing for us to evaluate how do we go forward but what a great day for this community and and thank you all for your consideration uh of moving this asset that we have forward for for my children and grandchildren would I now up to seven by the way brand new twins thank you Greg I know you have a pretty big vested interest in the oh yes no absolutely I mean you
know good morning Commissioners thanks for having me uh yeah I think you know I can Echo a lot of what you know some others are saying it it's great that these conversations are at the point where they are right now it's serious we're taking a serious stance at what we want I I I strongly agree with uh Mr thoron here about hey the studies have happened the studies have happened how many times over the years now it's time like let's let's start to figure out what on Earth is going on what can we do I know there's limited funds and capabilities that everybody has to come
together on and I think that's where I think the more conversations that could be had of all the stakeholders um getting in getting in the same room get you know what what I always say is like let's you know get together let's pull in the same direction at the same time um on the same rope and I think that's how we can progress this forward in terms of what that looks like it you know ultimately it's up it's up to you five um I think whatever strongly impacts our community
the best because I know it's been talked about this is a a generational type of investment it's it's not going to happen every year hopefully not um but in terms of you know just going back to the you know hey ice or no ice whatever it is you know we we talked about last night if if you look at Youth Sports you know yes basketball volleyball um but if you look up if you can Google the most expensive you sport in North America Ice hocke is going to be the the top there's a ton of
money there there's a ton of um opportunities to host tournaments with that second sheet and if you combine it if you're able to you know what Mr Thor had talked about something with a Convention Center 100% I that's I think everyone can agree that that is something that's definitely needed in this area we need something a bigger something a bigger capacity that helps you know that side the the the the hotel years the the tourism industry in that sense and then also bring it back together not just for um you know local basketball local volleyball tournaments you know local hockey Ice
Sports whatever it is but to bring in different people from different areas for tournaments for competition just like basketball just like volleyball so I would strongly feel you know and obviously I'm a proponent of and I've always been anyone that knows me I'm I'm a hey full circle type of guy a two-way street type of guy let let's figure out how we can all figure this out because you know there's different times hockey happens at different times when basketball happens and when conventions happen so there's those Seasons what are those seasons and how do you combine them to
maximize that you know whatever that that dollar amount is so I I feel you know I and again I I'll Echo the the improvements 100% needed I mean it's we I I hold my breath every season when that ice plant is fired up and it's it's because it's probably 50% past its life cycle um the fact that that's happening because things like these we've been able to and and the assets even and it's proven just like the investment that has taken place with the video board we've been able
to utilize that now how I view that is now it's my responsibility to make sure my team I have the best people on my staff that can maximize and utilize that to increase the fan engagement and experience to bring more people to the base and to bring more people down downtown and impact you know everybody involved so that's that's how I think that's my my view and so again I'll just say that it's I'm I'm not taking a wishy-washy stance it's like no something needs to to happen what
it is uh I think we just all need to get in the same room and pull on the same rope at the same time so well thanks Greg and um you know thanks for having nice flowers here and adding that to our community no my pleasure commission stobber I agree with everything you said um I've had the ice folks come into my office to talk to me and um not too recently they were in Jacksonville and they said their economic impact in Jacksonville for a tournament over a weekend was like $44,000 that's my heart rate's High sorry I got I got a Life Alert um anyway um so I agree with that
I I like that idea what's let everyone else bring their money here and spend on our on a second Ice uh sheet of ice and and getting back to what you said Ry uh that was a question I had and it's really for you too it's about the intended uses I mean I like the idea a of of a a one-size fits-all thing too but can we shoehorn too many things into in an event center and and then we end up not doing anything well right we don't have a great place for basketball or something else
because well I would we we've talked about and commissioner may you mentioned that we've done a lot of studies we've done some studies on the base Center but we've also done a number of studies that did not necess necessarily focus on the bay center because in the sports tourism component component especially Youth Sports generally one court is not what you look for you want 8 10 12 courts which is where your high impact comes in so yes we have to be careful and we know what we
just did the study last fall we finished uh based on the the facility that we looked at at building at Brenham that had eight baseball courts we know what the economic impact of that 75,000 square foot um um clear U Spann area can produce as far as uh return on uh in especially into the tourism industry so yes we have that and that's exactly why exactly what Greg said it's
so important that we get everybody to the table because we can get too many that's like that blade that knife you pull out and each one of them's quality gets bad and then the the competition in the and again I'm talking Sports tourism but it's the same thing in the conference business Sports tourism is growing continually growing but the conference business is now coming back up as well so we have to be careful that we don't get a bunch of do knives right yeah I agree thanks um
commissioner hoer I'm sorry yes commissioner May mentioned making sure that we have all the interested parties at the table which I agree with um but one of the ones I wanted to highlight was also Florida West which has the property right across the street um I know they have a couple offers on the table and I would like to make sure that the county and whatever partner we go with is also working with them because I think there's room for those spaces to work together um they've got two or three offers on the table those people are going to need places to park during business hours but then it's going to be a vacant parking lot in the evening and on the weekend so how do
we work with them to maximize that parking so it's also a benefit for the whatever Center we build there and I'm going to jump in before commissioner mate cuz he always has I just want to I agree with you and I've said that the Florida West over in sand I guess what I was going to tell you is the mayor asked on this and I know that the tech Park's on the table as a co- or an option of if we don't work something doesn't work out with you know PDC and that property that that property could be looked at as an addition to this project um were you done okay I I want to share
a couple couple things with you back in 2000 and this is why this is kind of I think we all have an interest in making change the buildings outdated our neighbors to you know the West ofest Mobile spending $300 million your competitor ovg which I talked to him with Alon Pat the other day um and I I shared everything with these guys last night about what they what they told me but I think we have a b much better venue with the beach and our downtown but we got we got to do something
very positive here right so let me go back to 2000 and I'll tell you a story so I was tasked at that time to put on a health Symposium um which went being an admiral Huffer with all the with all the hospitals we started out New World Landing we didn't have enough space then we went to the Civic Center and we used your breakout rooms we had people walking all over then we went to the beach and it outgrew it and we couldn't get more than 400 people the Symposium died it it didn't last that was in 2000 nothing has changed in that venue in 25 years and and here's
the problem with that I do believe we could bring in a lot of conferences because we have a great venue here in Pensacola I also think trade shows my brother-in-law is real involved in the uh Car Wash industry and I went to the trade show in New Orleans I never seen so many different car wash people went while for blocks and blocks and blocks no everyone says hey we don't need more car washes but there's a lot of car washes but the thing is I I want to see something futuristic I don't want to just put a Band-Aid on this I want to do it right but I also think we need to make sure the return on investment's good Ray I hear what you're saying with the Swiss knife but
I think that space for me the flux space needs to be flexible or and like I told Greg maybe we look at moving the ice rink somewhere else every major university in the State of Florida has ice shink except WWF you know I I don't know if that's an option but I think all all that needs to be on the table but I'll share this with you is a quote I I um have heard many times when I was in the service by General Shinseki and and basically what he said if you don't like change you'll like your relevance even less and that's kind of where we are in the base Center if we don't
do some change here we're going to be Irrelevant in this market and that's where I feel we are I hope this board moves forward with some change on this I think it's way past due and unless there's any you have a comment commission the only thing I we heard from all our subject M matter experts but visit Darren's here who would be tasked with marketing this out of respect I would ask you to allow Darren to absolutely Darren do you do you want to make a comment we let anyone that's invested to come up and and share what they what their vision is appreciate you Darren thanks so
much well it's easy for me to Echo a lot of the comments that already been made today um we're talking about uh Swiss army knife and dulling blades and I would also in that reference say we can't be too heavy in one area and just only have one tool in the tool box um I think anybody who's spoken with me knows that visit Pensacola has been an advocate for a conference center for the last 5 years that's part of our strategic plan that is something that we feel is important to the growth
of a scambia County uh important to the growth of the Pensacola area um now I look at this facility I think this is a great project this is the best place to expand on uh so the option for and adding the space there we're fully in support of that um we talk about Flex space um I also agree that um you know for us to be able to sell to meeting and Conference planners who we talk to and I have a list we know we have 280 281 pieces of business that we have collected over the last four years
that are interested in coming to the Pensacola area but can't because we don't have the space 75% of that business needs 100,000 square ft or less 35% of that needs 50,000 Square ft or less um when we talk to Meeting Planners it's not an issue of our airport capacity we talked to our peers up in Mobile and they're like you guys are missing a boat you're losing business to us because you don't have the space there are people that are flying into Pensacola that then go to
or they're going over to Orange Beach or they're going to D so I I think that uh you know our ability and if we talk to the folks at the airport uh they'll agree that a conference center would be a significant draw to grow uh airlift for the Pensacola area so I see this as a great opportunity uh to add to the Baye Center to make improve the necessary and needed improvements to the Bay Center so visit pensac where we're fully in support of this um we'll continue to advocate
for the importance of meeting a conference center space just one more thing there was a conference that that we held uh last fall that originally started with u commissioner Bender Vis Pensacola got involved because we're trying to find space and the right dates and we worked very closely with the Hilton uh out on the Pensacola Beach as well as the holiday and to try to figure out how to shoehorn that conference in there and we're able to make it work and I know there's a lot of folks that really felt really proud of having those folks here and really uh uh got great
feedback from the attendees but that's probably a conference we won't be able to accommodate another year or two as those things grow um and that's a shame because we uh I don't I'm not concerned about not only what we can bring into the market when we talk about growth there are so many local organization and events that if we don't do add this event center space and do it the right way we could lose uh not only existing events but um there's so many nonprofits and service organizations that hold fundraisers that are really can't grow because there's no space to
do that in and I think uh so that's that's why I'm excited about this proposal and you have visit Pensacola's support and D I appreciate it I think that was the Florida Association of County Innovation and policy conference uh that was held and I I know that there were several speakers I know the clerk spoke uh I was engaged and and commissioner Bender uh took the lead so thank you for your help and Mr chairman I'll and I think you know that we've kind of said everyone needs to work together I think the prime example is what Mike has done Mike caps and Ray Palmer and Darren
and just the Sun Belt tournament I mean it took the city uh contributing it took um Pensacola Sports taking the lead it took Mike and caps and SMG putting it together I mean because we really had to be it and go after this Sun Belt tournament that other cities were competing but collaboratively they they were working together and we were able to achieve it and so I think when we have all these partners coming together with all their ideas we we're going to be able to get it moving because I think the consensus is to move it I'm with you Mike let's I mean there's not
a cheaper time to build in today you know I mean let's get it before the tariffs kick in you know I mean so I mean it's coming okay Mr chairman one one last comment from me U and this conversation made me think about it you know we work with municipalities and jurisdictions like Escambia County all over the country and one of the things that I think we can help you with is we're looking at the space planning we can also help you with the plan of Finance you know we talked a little
bit about this last night we've been working with Stefan quite extensively over the last couple of years but projects like this not only need a great design you know to produce the revenue the outputs if you will from the building but they also need to be constructible and financeable so uh that's something that we can help you with too as as we go down this this plant through this this planning process over the next several months well thank you for that and um did you have another comment no but I mean even even as a shelter I mean there there are federal FEMA grants there's Community
block grant money I mean there's a mixture of funding I mean so I don't want to lower the bar in terms of quality I mean let's shoot for the stars and figure out how to pay for it once we get what the desires of the community is I mean we're we're trying to buy you know our Mercedes we're not trying to buy you know we're trying to get the top of the line so let's figure out what we want what we need and then let's figure out how to finance it all right my goal is to end this in the next 10 minutes but go ahead commission I just want I agree with that I don't think our goal is to spend as little as we can I think we want need something that's going to last and I think we've
seen lots of examples of where we probably UND spent when we and and we were expecting growth whether it's a I don't want to bring it up but like a roundabout parito key or something else we just did a poor job designing and producing something um we can do better no comment but if you read the traffic design you would have built around about all right is there any other comments All right so I know we had a decision tonight on asm's contract please look at those I think we'll
have a discussion um I know you guys work well with Stefan you can tell there's an interest in this body um to do something I think bigger and better where we where we end up um I'd like to see us move forward U sooner than later I think everyone kind of shared that so I in closure I'd like to thank all of you for coming giving us your time um I thought it was in this was a good brief for us to hear everything we'll work with the county administr Stefan are you going to charge
the stage you have one last comment yes sir one last time uh so again to your point uh we do we did have an item on the board's agenda tonight uh which is again to uh 2-year extension for the uh SMG contract um what we will need to do if the board sounds like there is support from the board uh for the populace uh uh study to have that included which that would mean that we'd need to do a minor addendum uh so we probably would need to drop the item tonight and bring it back to
the second meeting uh here in the month of March uh which why would we need to drop it why can't we because we'll have to work through the the basically a new a new an addendum to the agreement how much is the stud language well commissioner Barry had the right comment I'm just St see oh okay so you can't I mean you don't you can't get the agenda today you don't think I mean it
doesn't matter to me I mean it would seem like they would care I it doesn't yes or they uh they believe they can get that done for us today okay all right if and so Steve this it's not the assessment this new study is going to be actually the designs of what we're looking for from populus no this is going to be the design that you talked about because we have the assessments we have all the other studies this is going to get us into some real well this is I
wouldn't characterize it as the design because the design is going to be a lot more extensive I would characterize it as an advancement of the study that was done by populace on the base Center to get what we would consider to be conceptual and schematic drawings to get us to a point where we can do um construction estimates and then separately looking looking at the design and the test fit and the and the program and utilization of the Event Center so it's kind of too forward
it's necessary to move forward you have to do that but but then you would come back if you once we get a little more definition of what we want to do in the base Center and a little more definition on the flex space or Event Center uh then we would have at least a rough order of magnitude of the approximate costs and what I would see happening then is the board would vote the commission would vote on a funding package you know a not to exceed number whatever that may be um and then we would
have a designed two budget then you would would Engage The Architects to actually start the design process and followed by the construction yeah I'm good I mean my only question commissioner be or commissioner Coler what's the difference between this and what the mayor has launched in his study we know I mean he announced it in I don't think we know what he's proposed yet so I don't I can't answer I thought this was more Community input is that did I misunderstand that okay we can well we'll still have out and ask yeah we could reach out and we of course you know we're going
to have to have public hearings and all the normal stuff we have to do anyways for public comment so I think um between now and where we get we'll be able to answer those questions but I I need to wrap up here because we got something going on but I um I want to thank you all for again and the all the uh comments I think that um we're going to move forward in a very uh timely manner and I look forward to working with you and I really do thank your time last night I learned a lot and uh I think it's just great that you guys spent your time coming here and goost Saints all right uh
we got a couple other things here on the for we have a shade meeting tonight right Alison yes sir 3:30 if you can convene in this room please okay we need to reconvene at 3:30 and commissioner May um you're on the hey commissioner May you're on the cow for next month do you have a subject if you don't bring it to me in two weeks guess what I'm going to help you out okay all right where Journey