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the survey work. All right. Good morning everybody. A meeting of the Escambia County Planning Board for February 3rd, 2026 is hereby called to order with six members present. We do have a quorum. Just a reminder to set your uh cell phones and electronic devices to silent or turn them off. And if you would please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance
to the stands one nation under God indivisibley and justice for all. Right. Thank you. Uh do we have proof of publication? Yes, sir. Did the publication meet all legal requirements? Yes, sir. I'll entertain a motion to wave the reading of the legal advertisement. Second. Have a motion to second. All those in favor signify by raising your right hand. All those opposed. Motion carries. We do have uh seven board members
present. Uh now the resoning meeting minutes from the previous meeting dated January 6 have been previously provided to the board. Are there any additions, deletions, or corrections? If not, I'll entertain a motion to approve. So moved. Second. Motion second. All those in favor, please signify by raising your right hand. All those opposed. Okay. Motion carries. The reasoning hearing package for February 3rd, 2026. With the findings of fact have been provided to
the board members. I'll entertain a motion to accept the resoning hearing package with findings of fact and legal advertisement into evidence. Motion to accept. A motion to accept. Any second? All right. All those in favor, please signify by raising your right hand. All those opposed. Okay. Motion carries. Will the court reporter please swear in members of the staff? All right. The board has previously qualified staff to offer expert testimony in the area
of land use and planning. Does anyone have any questions regarding their qualifications and ability to offer expert testimony? All right. Seeing none. All right. At this time, the planning board is acting under I'll make a motion to wave the reading there to expedite time. Okay. Uh got a motion to um move forward past the introductory statement. Uh is there a second? Second. All those in favor, please signify by raising your right hand.
All those opposed. Okay, the motion carries. Um, I will say at the beginning of each case, as long as we don't have any objections from the applicant themselves, will allow staff to uh provide photos and aerials of the the property. Next, we'll hear from the applicant themselves and anybody that they wish to call to the podium. And then we'll hear from uh staff and any witnesses they may wish to call. And then finally, we'll hear from members of the public. And this is a
quasi judicial meeting. So everything that you say will be under oath. Um, and any testimony that you give today will need to be what you give at the board of county commissioners meeting if you go speak in front of them. And the only way to speak at the board of county commissioners meeting is to speak here today. So I just want to uh give you the the highlights of what we um just went over. So there are two cases today and the first one is the resoning application case Z2025-12 which
request resoning of 6698 North Palifox Highway 6750 Old Palifox Highway 6756 Palifox Highway and the 6000 block Old Powox Highway from commercial district 25 dwelling units per acre to HCLI heavy commercial and light industrial district. 25 dwelling units per acre requested by Meredith Bush, the agent for Ella Ray Moy, Timothy Warren Moy, and Angela Douglas as trustees under the revocable living trust agreement of Ella Ray Moy dated October 8th, 1999. and the owners,
members of the board, have there been any exparte communication between you and the applicant of the applicant's agents, attorneys, or witnesses with fellow planning board members or anyone from the general public prior to this hearing? Have you visited the subject property? And please also disclose if you are a relative or business associate of the applicant or the applicant's agents. No to all. No to all. No to all. No to all. I have to disclose I am a owner in the uh proximity of the notification area for this property and application. So,
but no to the remaining uh no to all. No to all. Okay. Staff was notice of the hearing sent to all interested parties? Yes, sir. Okay. And was notice of the hearing posted on subject property? Yes, sir. Meredith, are you good with Ariel's and photography to be shown first? Okay. Morning. Allison Lindsay, Urban Planner Development Services. So, here's the uh location map
showing the location on Palifox. Here's the zoning map showing the current zoning of commercial and the surrounding properties. This is the future land use map showing mixed urban. This is the existing land use mat and this is the aerial site uh photo of the site and this is the public hearing sign that was uh posted on Palifox. This is looking onto the site
from Palifox. This is looking on to another site at Palifox. This is another view from Palifox. This is looking east along Oakfield Road from the corner of Oakfield and North Palifox. And this is looking across Palifox from the corner of Palifox and Oakfield. Looking south along Palifox. Looking north along Palifox from the site. Looking west across Palifox.
looking southwest along Palifox from uh the subject property. This is just another view looking um northwest from Palifox. Looking north toward the adjacent parcel from the subject site on Palifox. And this is a public hearing sign that was posted on one of the um other subject properties on Palifox. This is the public hearing sign that was posted on the southeast corner of Palifox and Oakville. Looking onto one of the subject properties. And
this is the public hearing sign that was posted on the north side of Oakfield. This is the public hearing sign that was posted along Palifox at the northwest corner of the subject property. And that's the maps and photography. Thank you for that. Uh Marith, if you'll please come forward. Um and then did you need to swear in any witnesses or anything? No. All right. If you'll just state your name and address for the record. Meredith Bush, 314 South Balin, Sweet 108, Pensacola,
Florida 32502. Okay. And uh did you receive a copy of the resoning hearing package with the findings facts for today? I did. Okay. And you understand you've got the burden of providing by substantial competent evidence that the proposed resoning is consistent with the comprehensive plan, furthers the goals, objectives, and policies of the comprehensive plan, and is not in conflict with any portion of the county's land development code. Yes, I do. All right. And go ahead. Um, thank you, uh, chair and members of the board. So, um, today we are in agreement with staff's findings. They do support our request, but I will
briefly run through the criteria. um reszoning the parcel to HCLI. Uh first is consistency with the comprehensive plan. The proposed resoning is fully consistent with a comprehensive plan. The mixeduse urban district specifically encourages a diverse mix of residential retail office and light industrial activities within established urban corridors served by existing infrastructure. Uh this request advances objective flu 1.5 sustainable development and policy flu 1.5.1
which promote compact infill redevelopment and efficient use of existing public roads, utilities and services. Um reszoning the property to HCLI, implements the MU intensity framework which favors redevelopment of underutilized urban land rather than greenfield expansion. Uh number two, consistent with zoning district provisions, uh the request meets the purpose and intent of the HCLI district as defined in the code. The district is intended to accommodate light manufacturing,
large-scale retail and service uses and other more intense non-residentidential activities in areas served by major transportation networks. The subject corridor is such an area with existing truck AC existing access for truck deliveries, established curb cuts in adjacency to other HCLIzoned properties. Operations on the site currently a long-standing used car sales and service business already conformed to the permitted HCLI activities. All commercial operations are confined within structures or paved display areas.
uh consistent with HCLI performance standards that prohibit off-site noise, vibration, dust, or glare. Uh any future redevelopment uh will be subject to the DRC process. Uh number three, compatible with surroundings. The proposed amendment is compatible with the surrounding existing uses in the area. The property is adjacent to HCLI in HDMU zoning with existing comm zoning in the immediate vicinity. Uh surrounding zoning includes HDLI, COMM and HDMU which permit highintensity commercial and light industrial activities. Uh compatibility
will continue to be assured through required buffering, landscaping, lighting controls and access management all administered through site plan review. Um for appropriate spot zoning, the amendment request if granted would not create spot zoning. The subject parcels are contiguous to and um in close proximity with other HCLI zone properties and lie within a corridor already dominated by heavy commercial and light industrial activity and then appropriate with changed or
changing conditions. Um, the old Palifox US29 corridor has experienced sustained reinvestment and incremental conversion to heavier commercial and light industrial uses, consistent with county economic development policies, emphasizing job creation and corridor revitalization. The site's continued use as heavy commercial automotive facility reflects this evolving market pattern. Um because infrastructure, utilities, and transportation capacity already exist, the zoning does not constitute sprawl or premature intensification. Instead,
it channels redevelopment to an urbanized corridor where it can be efficiently served, aligning with the objective flu 2.3 uh of the comprehensive plan and advancing the public interest by encouraging reinvestment in existing service areas. And then as to locationational criteria, we provided an analysis both establishing site design and uh documented compatibility. Um happy to take any questions. All right, board members, are there any questions um for the applicant?
All right, seeing none, um if we need you, we'll get you back up here. Okay, staff, we'll let you run through yours. Okay. So, this is the Z202512 ask for the reasonzoning from commercial to heavy commercial, light industrial. Um the staff um I can read every every uh criteria if you like, but the basically the staff does uh come to the conclusion that this project does meet all
criteria for the land development code and the comprehensive plan. Um the property is already being used for heavy commercial, light industrial and there is heavy commercial, light industrial, the same type of businesses along North Palifox. And so doing this resoning would actually bring the current existing uh business into compliance with the code and it it is a major uh traffic and transportation did not have any concerns. Um they just strictly stated that um they had no um they
do have for the county improvement plan. They do have drainage and sidewalks um planned along Palifox Street. And other than that, they had no concerns. And so um staff, that's it. Okay. Any um questions for staff? Do we need to make a motion to wave the reading? Um, I make a motion to wave the reading. Let's see. I think we we already got past the reading, so I think we're good there.
That Oh, that we need to make for yours. I see. I see. Okay. Except um so motion to accept staff finding as presented in backup. Okay. We have a a second. Second. Okay. All those in favor, please signify by raise your right hand. All those opposed. Okay. So, we'll make sure we got that noted. Um, all right. For members of the public who wish to speak on this matter, please note that the planning board bases its decisions on the approval conditions and exceptions described
in section 2-6.8 of the Escambia County Land Development Code. During our deliberations, the board will not consider general statements of support or opposition. Accordingly, please limit your testimony to the approval conditions and exceptions described in section 2-6.8. Please also note that only those individuals who are present and give testimony on the record at this hearing at the planning board will be allowed to speak at the subsequent board of county commissioners meeting. Um, all right. So, we've got one speaker on this case, Mr. Larry DS Jr., if you'll please
come forward, state your name and address, and be sworn in, and we'll get you started. Larry DS Jr. Plumbing LLC because feal matters. Y'all ready? I do. All righty. Looks like y'all are moving in the right direction here. Haven't seen y'all in a while, but looks like y'all are going to prove a little bit of freedom. I'm enjoying it. I like the way the staff uh presented it. presented, you know, that uh this freedom is uh is acceptable
property rights. All right. Anyways, I'm in favor of it. I just wanted to be able to speak in case I want to at the county commission meeting, so y'all might be seeing me a little bit more. Thank you. Thanks, Larry. All right, that was uh our only speaker from the public on this case, and there's no further questions for staff or the applicant at this time. I'll entertain a motion on the resoning case. Motion to approve. Motion to approve. Is there a second? Second. Any discussion? All those in favor, please signify by raising your right hand. All those opposed. Okay. Motion carries.
Yep. The reasonzoning application uh the second and our last one for today is case Z-20226-01. request reszoning of 9900 Gotti Lane block from MDR, medium density residential district, 10 dwelling units per acre to HDR, high density residential district, 18 dwelling units per acre as requested by Gary Bishop, agent for Gide Gardens LLC, the owner. Members of the board,
has there been any exparte communication between you and the applicant of the applicant's agents, attorneys, or witnesses with fellow planning board members or anyone from the general public prior to this hearing? Have you visited the subject property? And also disclose if you are a relative or business associate of the applicant or the applicant's agent. No to all. Uh Mr. Bishop's been a engineer of record for my family and myself for the last 30 years, but we have not discussed this site. So there. Okay. No to all. No to all. No to
all. No to all. No to all. Staff, was notice of the hearing sent to all interested parties? Yes, sir. Was notice of the hearing posted on the subject property? Yes, sir. All right. Uh Mr. Bishop, are you okay with photos and aerials being adopted? Okay. Uh staff, if you'll please present the maps and photographs for the case. Okay. Z202601. Okay. This is the location map showing the property on Gide Lane. And this is
the 500 foot radius map showing the current property is MDR with the surroundings of HDMU. And this is the future land use map, a mixeduse urban And this is the aerial map of the site. And I would also like to um there is not a map showing the existing future land use, but I have one here that I have written what it is. So if if she can use the pointer. So on the aerial map, the um subdivision to the north, that is the cobblestone
subdivision. And then over to the right over by the Huntsman, that's the Fox Run uh subdivision. And then to the north of the subject property on the other side of Reququin, I'm probably slaughtering that name. That's the um that's just a Meats and Bounds. And then behind that is the Hilltop subdivision, which is down in the bottom. And then across um guiding lane there's
the larger parcel is uh single family and then the parcels above north of that are all multifamily. What's that what's that immediately adjacent to to and the the one right north of the subject property that is all multifamily development. Thank you. I may we will get that map added because that's critical. if I may because multifamily is the same type of use. HDR does allow for multifamily. So we and
we'll go into that a so you got existing multif family already surrounding the property. So I we need to get that map for the record because I know there may be some questions following that. All right. Is that map going to be available while we're sitting here? Yes. Yes. Okay. Well, I'm seeking clarification. When will the map be available? Well, I have this one that I've handwritten on this morning, but I can and I was trying to do it before the meeting, but the computer wasn't working. I can actually add that in digitally. Um, or if you just like
to accept this, it's up to you. I'd say the preference would be for the actual map and then hand it to them. Okay. And then have them vote to add it to the evidence file. There's no reason reason to add it electronically. It just needs to be added. Thank you. That just gives a little clarity to the surrounding areas um existing surrounding uses.
Yes, Mr. Mr. Chair, I would move that we uh take this as evidence and make it part of the package. All right. I've got a motion. Do I have a second to that motion? Second. All right. Any discussion? No. Okay. All those in favor, please signify by raising your right hand. All those opposed. All right. Motion carries.
Okay, thank you. So, the next is the public hearing sign that was posted on site and this is looking onto the site from Gotti Lane and this is just a another view looking onto the site. This is looking across Gotti Lane from the subject property. This is looking at the property to the south of the site which is a um a hope center. This is looking north along Gotti Lane. Looking south along Gidi. This is looking southwest from the subject property
across Gide. And this is looking s Oh, is that it? Okay, that was all the maps and photography. All right. Thank you very much. Uh, if I could have the applicant please come forward. Um, and we'll get you sworn in. If you'll state your full name and address for the record and then we'll get you sworn in. My name is Gary Bishop. My address is 610 Jameson Circle, Pace, Florida. All right.
Yes, sir. I do. All right. And did you have any witnesses that you were going to call for this or just going to be present? Just me. Okay. Very good. And did you receive a copy of the resoning hearing package? Yes sir, I did. Okay. And then understand that you have the burden of providing substantial competent evidence that the proposed resoning is consistent with the comprehensive plan, furthers the goals, objectives, and policies of the comprehensive plan, and is not in conflict with any portion of the county's land development code. Yes, sir. All right. You may go go ahead. Uh yeah, just uh excuse me, I've got a little bit of a cold, but
uh one thing and I did want to mention this this site has already previously been approved by the board and the board of county commissioners for a special exception to put town homes there. Um we my cl the town home project people decided not to build it and my my client has decided to buy it now. he would rather build uh instead of doing with town homes to sell, he would rather do a a type of a multif family uh and and uh build basically duplexes there,
not to sell, but to to maintain and keep as rental units. Uh that's why we're here have we're not allowed to do that under town home projects. we could basically have the about the same number of units of town homes is what we're going to end up building, but we need to go to the upper zoning that and that's our purpose for being here. Uh, as the as the uh staff has stated, there's multi-unit multi- family units basically to the north of us and across the street. There's
a lot of multif family units already in the area. So, we don't feel like we would be changing the nature of what's going on in the area. uh by by what we're doing. Um and uh other than that, uh I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have. All right. Uh board members, is there any questions that you have for the applicant at this time? Based on your review of the staff findings, would you say you're in agreement with the staff findings? Yes, sir. I'm in agreement
with the staff findings. Yes, sir. Thank you. And if I may and we we would like Mr. and Mr. Bishop is absolutely correct but but we would like to correct the board. It went through condition. Caleb, if you can make the correction. Okay. Yes. Uh Caleb Mccardi, AICP planner on behalf of the county. Um Mr. Bishop is correct. The site did have conditional use approval under the current zoning of medium density residential through the board of adjustment for town homes. So, it's a conditional use to allow for town homes. Um, then the applicant brought in a plary PL
construction plans that were approved for 16 lots essentially a town home development. And like he said, they didn't proceed with that and wishing to go to a multifamily type of uh well, they've already had a pre-application with the development review committee, brought them here for the multif family type of use. And I'd like to remind the board that those are not relevant criteria. You have your established criteria here. Weigh that. You you really can't weigh that as part of the
approval or denial. It's simply context. That is one. Appreciate that. Be clear on the record with this comments with the right. I apologize. Fair enough. Oh, no. You're good. We do too. All right. Thank you. All right. Okay. I don't Does anyone else have questions or are we good right now? Go to the staff presentation. Okay. Staff will let you go ahead and give your presentation.
Okay. Again, Alice Lindsay Urban Planner Development Services. So, this is a request at 9900 block of Gotti Lane to go from MDR medium density residential to HDR highdensity residential. So consist consistency with a comprehensive plan. The proposed to reszone to HDR is consistent with the future land use mixeduse urban. Mixeduse urban does allow for residential development and different types of retail sales and services. For criteria B,
consistency with the land development code, the proposed request for highdensity residential is consistent with the intent and purpose of the LDC. The primary intent of the HDR zoning is to allow residential uses such as single family, two family, and multifamily dwellings. The surrounding areas are existing multifamily and single family developments. The traffic and transportation department um did not have uh any comments. They have no planned improvements. It is a major urban collector and uh TTO um has no concerns on the proposed resoning. Criteria C,
compatible with the surrounding uses. Um, it is compatible with the surrounding uses in the area. There are partial zoned HDMU and MDR. The subject property is zoned MDR with a mix of single family and multifamily uses in the area. As we stated earlier, the Fox Run subdivision, the Cobblestone subdivision, and then the multifamily directly to the north and then across um the street. Um
so let's see where was I at? Okay, criteria D appropriate of spot zoning. So the it would be considered spot zoning because there is no HDR in the immediate adjacent or joining properties. Um however the HDR is less intense than the HDMU which is a mixeduse development and um the adjacent parcels on the north side of the property um they consist of existing multifamily
development as well as multif family of course across GDI um appropriative change conditions the surrounding land use patterns and development conditions they have remained unchanged and the area continues to consist of primarily resident residential development in the different various forms. The request to HDR is consistent with the pattern and will accommodate additional residential densities that align with the area's established residential character. And that's the staff findings. All right. Thank you. Are there any questions for staff from the board? Okay. Um,
we do have several speakers signed up for this case. And just a reminder that the planning board, we base our decisions, as our uh, attorney just reminded us on the approval conditions and exceptions described in section 2-6.8 of the Escambia County Land Development Code. During our deliberations, the board will not consider uh, states of support or opposition. Accordingly, please limit your testimony to the approval conditions and exceptions described in section
2-6.8. And please also note that only those individuals who are present and give testimony today on the record at this hearing before the planning board will be allowed to speak at the hearing before the board of county commissioners. Uh, and I will ask staff, I don't know if we can split the screen where we have this up and maybe the conditions um up as well. Just so thank you very much. All right, we got now the first speaker is the owner of the property. Uh,
and you only were going to speak if if needed to to answer questions or anything. Is that correct? Or did you want to speak? You're more than welcome to if you'd like to. So just um say your name and address for the record and then we'll get you. My name is Thomas Wy. Address is 4633 Smoky Road, Gulf Breeze, uh Florida. And I'm one of the owners of the property. Spell your last name. W A I E R. Thank you. Raise your right hand.
Yes. I would just uh say that uh you know there is a need in the area for more housing. We have developed a similar project on Holsbury Road not too far away from this project. We intend to pretty much do the same thing on Gide Lane as we did on Holsbury Road with the exception that we're going to build two-bedroom units rather than three-bedroom units to try to hold the rental price down a little bit. Um if you uh if you have seen our project on Holsbury Road, it's
very successful. It's pretty much 100% occupied since it's been opened up for rentals. And again, we intend to do the same thing there on Guide Lane. So if I any questions for me on what we intend to do on Gide Lane? I have a question for the speaker or possibly the engineer um of record, which I believe is Mr. Bishop as well with this. Uh, how many total um, duplexes do you plan on having there? 12 duplexes, 24 units. 24 units. And that'll have uh, obviously up to current
uh, storm water retention and and things such as that. Yes. That'll all be designed by Gary be an improvement for the area, I think. Yes. All right. Thank you. Any further questions? Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Our next speaker is Irene Gillan. If you'll please come forward and state your name and address for the record and be sworn in.
Good morning. My name is Irene Gilgan. I'm the president of the Foxorn Homeowners Association. My address is 9900 Stone Meadow Road, Pensacola, Florida 32514. Yes, sir. Okay, there we go. Yeah, as you get older, you kind of shrink in your old age here. Um, as being president of the Foxrun Homeowners Association, excuse me, is vehemently opposed to this new development that's being um projected. Um when you look at
the map, it looks like there's a whole lot of area surrounding that proposed uh development, and there really isn't. If you start from um one of the main our concerns is the traffic. If you start from Nine Mile Road and you head north, you'll pass several streets like Sunshine Lane, there'll be some RV sites across the street. Uh Peak View Candlestick uh subdiv Candlestick Lane on the left, which has single family dwellings. And then we've got the Sugar Hill
Apartments on the left hand side, which is a huge sprawling apartment complex. You've got buildings um that have probably four units in each. There are some that have three. Um there's a lot of traffic that's being created there. Um anytime that you try to take a left turn on Guide Lane, you have to wait and then the red light at 9 mile. Sometimes you'll be lucky if you can get through with just waiting through through one red light. Um the other concern is that Fox Run is a lovely
community. It's got single families. We have lots of trees. We have it's a very very quiet area and so this development is going to butt right into Huntsman's Path. All right. It's going to affect all those residents that live there. All right. Now, we all have privacy fences, but they're only six feet. And the gentleman is proposing is it twotory units or one? Twotory. Twostory. Okay. So, we've got these twotory things right on the other side uh which is going to impact our privacy.
the noise is going to be increased. If you're saying that these units are going to be rental and not owned, if you'll just please Sorry, just if you'll address us. Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me. We want people to be able to hear you too. I I agree. If these are going to be rental units, that means there's going to be a lot of transient people going back and forth. All righty. We don't know who these people are. Usually, um they may be military, they may be not. There'll be a lot of noise that's created and we strongly object to that. We want
to keep our community quiet and safe. I don't know whether the new person is going to propose a wall. Is there going to be a green belt zone that we don't have to see the people that are up on the second floor looking down at us. So, we're very much opposed to this development. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any questions for the speakers? Okay. Uh, our next speaker is Janice Hoff. If you'll please come forward, state your name and address for the record and be sworn in.
Good morning, Janice Hoff. I'm My address is 100027 Hollowbrook Drive, uh, Pensacola, Florida 32514. Yes. Okay. I am also one of the board members of the Fox Runs uh subdivision homeowners association and we do believe that this uh section of Guide Lane as it backs up to several properties of
the Fox Run subdivision on Huntsman's Path. I can give you the addresses if you want. Uh it appear it it appeared to us to be spot zoning which was affirmed in the presentation. uh we uh feel that new uses, density change andor the intensity have not really been identified to the affected community other than right now. Uh Gide Lane has as mentioned multiple apartment and duplex structures, single family residences. There just appears to be no actual plan for the
betterment of this area except a continuation of a hodgepodge approach to development. This proposed reszoning will not preserve the character and quality of residential neighborhoods adjacent to this location number four LDC chapter 3 because of loss of privacy, noise pollution, increased traffic congestion, public safety, potential for EMS access, hurricane evacuation among others. It does create a scenario for mixeduse buildings adjacent to single family
subdivision with resulting change in the character of the subdivision without benefit or enhancement of the area. Number five of LDC chapter 3 does not act adequately balance individual property rights in the interest of the Foxrun community or serve to promote a safe and orderly living environment. Number six, LDC chapter 3. We have great concern that this resoning will affect our property values in a negative manner and have adverse impact on our community. In summary, we do
not believe that the general development standards have been met. Reszoning this area to HDR will increase traffic congestion, potentially create conflicts secondary to site access and parking. There have been car accidents and as mentioned increased difficulty accessing Gidey Road from our subdivision due to already congested traffic. Maintenance of the current zoning will serve a greater public interest than increasing density in this residential area. Thank you for your
consideration. Thank you very much. Any questions for the speaker? All right. Our next speaker is Bridget Barber. Please come forward. State your name and address for the record and be sworn in. Good morning. My name is Bridget Barber. I live at 9917 Huntsman Path. Uh my home is the one behind the proposed construction with the pool. Raise your right hand. You saw Miss Square
about to give this case the truth. The whole truth and nothing but the two together. I do. As stated, my name is Bridget Barber and I've resided at that location for 40 years. I'm here today regarding the proposal of the construction. Um, we share a fence line of approximately 75 ft. There are five single family homes, including my own, that would be directly impacted. All of the homes adjacent to the proposed building have bedrooms in close proximity
to the proposed comp complex. With multiple families living so close, the increased noise level could become quite disruptive, especially in the late hours of the night. Privacy is a huge concern as the multi-story complex would overlook the backyards of surrounding homes. Although there's a six-foot fence separating the properties, family activities such as entertaining, relaxing, and swimming in backyard pools would no longer be private. Over the years,
I've been impacted by multiple people entering my yard by hopping the back fence. They've cut across using my yard as a shortcut to catch catch a school bus, visit friends, and on one occasion take a dip in my pool. Most issues were resolved by speaking directly to the involved families. My fear is that the addition of multiple housing units would invite more trespassers. Gotti
Lane, a two-lane street connecting nine and 10 mile roads, is historically a busy thoroughfare. There have been multiple automobile accidents involving residents attempting to turn on to guiding. An increase in population could spur additional traffic accidents. A major contributor of my home's value is the large, well-maintained, serene backyard. I fear that a huge multif family
structure towering over the property would negatively impact the value of my home. Please help to protect the tranquility of our community. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any questions for the speaker? All right, our uh Thank you very much. Our next speaker is Mr. Larry Jones Jr. We'll just have you state your uh name and address again and I guess
if he's been sworn in already. I don't know if we need to do do that again. Larry DS Jr. again. Uh previously, sir. Yeah, I were. Thank you. uh 12156 Habber Drive. I live on a uh you know gravel dirt road and uh and the county uh once built a huge sports complex right behind my tranquility. Not once did I come up here or go anywhere and say don't do it because if I
didn't want somebody building on that property I could have bought it myself. Although I k did kind of buy it myself with the county spending my money, you know, so it's kind of that. But, you know, it's not very peaceful whenever they're out there playing uh baseball games and football and all this. It gets really loud. They got speakers and all. But you know what? That's the sound of freedom. That's the sound of freedom. Children need a place to play. People need a place to live.
Now, you know, although I see what the developers are doing, what investment and and also what individuals are doing with their money and they're building houses, rental houses, a lot of them, I think they're making a mistake, but that's their mistake to make. We have roughly 70 million baby boomers that are approaching, you know, a good majority of them are approaching 80. I don't know if y'all know what happens to people when they approach 80. They they die. It's part of it's part of life. That's going to be 70 million Americans gone.
How many houses are going to be available? I mean, unless they open up the borders again, you know, then we could fill them probably. But we got problems. And the number one problem that I see ain't the developers, it ain't the builders, it ain't the homeowners who want uh prosperity through their own property rights. It's people advocating against their own rights, against their own property rights, their own prosperity. Because if this man here doesn't have his property rights, when do they not have theirs? It's a see, it's a conundrum we're in. So,
I'm asking y'all to approve this project. Just like they approved the Fox Run project at one point. I'm sure there were neighbors there going, "You're messing with my peace." You know, I get it. I understand where they're coming from. However, that is the problem with freedom. With freedom, you have the freedom to advocate against freedom. Freedom's its own arch nemesis. I've been saying this for years. So, here we are advocating against our own freedom. You know, not me, but
I'm just saying most people will, including y'all. Y'all will. You say, "Well, we can't go that far, Larry." But this is just residential dwellings. Of course, there's always going to be trespassers in life and we should forgive those. Thank you. Thank you, Larry. And all right, our final speaker is Annette Douly. If you'll come forward and set your name and address for the record and be sworn in.
Hi, my name is Annette Dudy. My address is one33 Huntsman Path, Pensacola, Florida 32514. I do. Uh, first off, I didn't really plan on speaking today, but at the last minute, I decided to. So, um, I also want to reserve the opportunity to speak at the C County Commission meeting. So, um, first off, I agree with all of my neighbors and what their their concerns are,
uh, for this proposal. Um, I didn't notice this. I have looked at the property um, a couple weeks ago and, um, behind the north property where there's already existing duplexes, there's a huge holding pond between that and the people that live on Hunts Huntsman Path. So there's a space there that doesn't back right up against their fences or their property line. Whereas this one comes all the way to the end where their fences or the property line is. So
that was one of the concerns that I had. Um traffic on Nine Mile Road and Gotti Line are as ridiculous as as it is of today with all the construction and um new businesses and apartments and Navy Federal and another concern I had was a hurricane evacu evacuation plan with added more people to Guide Lane. So thank you. All right. Thank you very much. Any questions
for the speakers? All right. Any questions for staff or the applicant at this time? Oh, you have any questions? Um, I have a question real quick. Yeah, go ahead. What was the total unit count again? We were trying to get 24, I believe. He said 24. 24 units. Mr. Speaker, I'd just like to say briefly, um, you know, we see a lot of these cases and, uh, I my
hat is off to the residents, the speakers. Y'all are very well informed, articulate, and it's not easy coming up here and speaking in a microphone when you haven't done it. And um while this seems to be a classic not in my backyard, uh I would to me personally I don't see the difference whether it was built for rent or built for sale given the same concerns. I would say that I think you have the time frame now to work with the county and the owners. Uh to just the last point that
was brought up, that buffer in the back area. Uh I can tell by Mr. Bishop, I have a feeling they will all be able to work uh fairly well together. So, you know, regardless of however this turns out, um I think you still need to engage with and be good neighbors. And I think that they'll probably work out something agreeable. And if I may, if if I may, Chair Chairman, um if if this is approved, my name is Horus Stones. I'm the development service director. Um if this is approved,
if you so for the sake of the citizens that it go before the board. The board make a recommendation even if the BCC approve of it. Uh uh um that's still not the end of the project. There is what we call very very very brief. I give you my card. There's a site plan review process in which they've already started a pre-application. That mean that you can have access to all of the plans, all of the drawings, all of the submitts. We make comments. you can be part of it because
all those things will be public records if this is approved. I just want to state that for the record because I know there are some concerns and you need to be concerned not negating that but this the approval is still not the end. There are some very very high high performance standards. The way that things used to be done is not done that way anymore because rules and regulations they have changed for the betterment of the community. Thank you. And and uh I I will ask a question,
Mr. Bishop. I think you might have mentioned mentioned it, but um there is in your maybe it was in your pre-application, I can't recall, but uh storm water mitigation happening with this project. Oh, absolutely. will have a storm water pond. Uh we haven't got that far in. I mean, we've shown a pond on our preapp, but I haven't got to the final design of it yet. Um and let me say our hope is to get 24 lots, you know, depending on storm water that that could possibly
be reduced. Won't be it won't be any more than that, but it could be reduced depending on what our storm water requirements are. Okay. Uh and and I will say there will be buffering on this also between the neighbors and our property. There will be buffering. Okay. Very good. Thank you. And let me say it again. And those things are if it is approved because as the attorney said, we got to look at we're not sight specific. We look at we we look at all of the uses. Now just in looking at the HDR is strictly residential. Apartments, multif family dwelling, those are
strictly residential. what's already surrounding that district. As Lesa said, let me say it again, th these requirements, the storm water, those are not may those are shares and must and the higher standards will prevail. Parking, all of those things can have can can can limit to what is being act. So, it's not just if they buffering, all those things are must. They got to have it.
Thank you. Um, horse, when you've got um, and I understand this isn't something to consider for the board and it's outcome for the reasoning hearing, but I just want some clarification for uh, members of this neighborhood. When you've got a project like this, it's going to require storm water on it. Uh, is there ever any requirement or asked by the county to say you've got a parcel on your north with a storm water pond to expand that storm water pond at
together or is is that something that's ever done in a project similar to this? That has been done, but it depends upon certain circumstances and and and circumstances. So, so all of those things would will definitely be asked by our engineering department who's who who who has done that in the past. So, all those things will be discussed and looking at all of those things. So, so yes, sir. And uh when you have a storm water pond like the one on the property on the north
that theoretically may in a case where something went on this piece of property um and put a storm water pond. What assurances do the surrounding neighbors have that that storm water pond has got precautions in place to not overflow and flood their property? Well, again, all all of those things will definitely be looked at. I'm not I'm not the storm water expert, the storm water, but but but but our engine department, our storm water management team, the county engineer,
Mr. Gary Bishop, they will be looking at that very very closely because every project got to m got to got to maintain its own storm water requirements and and the county do the county definitely look at the surrounding areas as well to see to make sure there's no adverse to minimize any adverse impacts to those surrounding properties as well. So that is definitely will be looked at. No doubt. And if I want to follow what's going on with this piece of property as it may move forward,
how do I do so? Again, I pro it will be posted online. We have we have site plan review meetings. I will give you my card. You can stay in contact with me with any part of my team because we serve the public. We here to help the public. Okay? The public may not always agree with us, but we here to inform you and to enlighten you on what's going on. That's our job as public servants. All right. Thank you very much, Boris. Uh board, if there's any further questions for applicant or the our
staff, uh we can have those at this time. If not, I'll entertain uh a motion on this resoning case. Motion to approve. A motion to approve the resoning case. Is there a second? I'll second. All right. Any discussion? It's it's it's too late. I'm sorry. Um we're um All right. All those in favor, please signify by raising your right hand. All those opposed. Okay. Motion carries. Um all right. At this time,
we do have one member of the public that signed up for uh public forum. Um, and that is Mr. Larry Downs Jr. Please come forward and state your name and address and we'll get your time started. And and before Yes, sir. I make I do want to talk to the citizens before I leave and it may be over microphone. Um, if I can I want to make I want to have a little brief comment before he come because I do want to talk to the citizens and I may be out before the meeting is over. Um, Miss Allison Kaine
Valency thank you. Please correct me, Allison. She will be retiring. She will be retiring and we want to uh um Allison has been around with the county. She have she she has served the county graciously in many areas of the department from from the original site plary process to the to the even to the point of the GMR coordinator to the point of the resoning. And we are very very we're very
we're glad she get ready to retire but we're not glad as well because she is a wealth of knowledge and we appreciate her for all of her service that she's rendered to this board and I just want to take the opportunity to state that for her right now. She's put up with you and us for a long time. Thank you very much. I really appreciate, you know, working with all of y'all and, you know, I've talked to most of y'all on a on a one-on-one basis and I really appreciate, you know, some of your guidance and your, you know, positive words and y'all just keep up the good work and I
might be back as a citizen to get up here and talk in front of y'all. Well, congratulations. You'll know what you're talking about for sure. Thank you for your service, Allison. Appreciate it. Pleasure working with you. All righty. Congratulations. That's exciting stuff. Uh, we will miss you, though. So, all right. Citizens, don't mind staying. I got a comment afterwards. I just I just want to want y'all to be here just for a second afterwards. Okay. Thank y'all. All right. Larry. Yeah. Before Larry. Um, well, I can do this before Larry. I just want, you know, I don't know. Um, I
heard this this morning and as concerned citizens, y'all may be want want to be aware. Um, there's a Senate bill. Is this okay to talk about the Senate bill? Yes. How does Okay. Well, I'll go ahead and put it in in the in the uh records. There's a Senate Bill um 948, and I just want to let y'all know that it is basically going to um dismantle all planning board um actions in a in a county
and in a city. So, if you are concerned about your neighborhoods, pay attention to Senate Bill 948. Read it. I'm not going to I'm not going to put any u comments about, you know, my thoughts on it, but do be aware of it. Y'all are here because you're concerned. You need to read that bill and talk to whoever you need to talk to uh about it, positive or negative, just be aware of it. Chairman, I'd like to comment. Uh this is a lot shorter drive than Tallahassee. Uh if this bill moves forward,
um your grievances will be filed with Tallahassee and you'll have your um two representatives in Escambia County to advocate against the other 67 counties uh in in the state of Florida. So I would suggest reaching out to your local representative and phone calls, emails, and so forth if you are in favor or in opposition of anything that comes on the uh legislative agenda. What's that number? Uh, Senate Bill 948. There is a House bill and I don't remember what the House
bill is. Um, I think it's House Bill 1049 maybe, but 948 is the Senate bill. Let me say something on that. And and and and these are pending legislation pending. It's not approved yet. It's not signed into a law. So, these are pending. is subject it may change overnight. It may they may pull it but but as he stated it there's another bill that's coming that may impact development. So please please stay in the loop stay informed as he stated. So these are pending legislations.
All right. Thank you for that update. I did hear something about that today this morning and thanks for the reminder to go check into it. So, uh, Larry, we will have you come up this time for some public comment. Uh, just have you state your name. I think we've got everything else and we'll get you get you going. Larry DS Jr. Larry DS Jr. Plumbing LLC because vehicle matters. Y'all know it matters. It's probably one of the most important things uh in the history of mankind. Uh, right along with electricity, refrigeration, you know,
and sanitation. save more lives than anything. All right. Uh, real quick, uh, one, I would like for y'all to get a taller mic up here so that I don't have to bend over into it. I like to make sure I'm heard, though. Uh, another thing, too, is uh I don't know about this House bill and uh, Senate bill, but I'm going to look it up because it sounds like some of y'all might be against it, so I might be for it. It's a good chance. Sounds like there might be some freedom in that bill.
We'll have to look. Of course, you got to dig into it deep because they always throw some anti-freedom in there. Unamerican stuff. All right. Uh just so y'all got some numbers real quick. We got 146.9 million residential homes in the United States. That's uh and we've got roughly 330 to 40 million depending on how many illegal aliens you count. Uh which they do count them. Uh, so with that and then we got the 70 million baby boomers that are coming up approaching the end
and and I'm getting closer to that myself. I'm a generation X. I could be gone tomorrow. You know, somebody might shoot me in the neck. Who knows? But the the point is is we have a lot of and I'm not concerned with that at all. By the way, uh we have a lot of uh you know, we're going to have a lot of residential houses that become available because my generation and the generation after me have not had as many children. So, so we're going to have a population collapse, which is going to,
you know, that's the reason why I'm shocked that they just keep building because it's a bad investment. I mean, it's a it's a it might be a good five or 10 year investment, but after that, we're going to have a lot of vacant houses. I mean, uh, just we just are. There's no way around it unless you open the borders and you bring in a lot of people, which I get that there's some that are interested in that, although that creates a lot of problems also. So, I just wanted y'all to, you know, to to think about some of the things that I think about because I got children and
grandchildren. And, you know, my my dad had had five brothers, all plumbers. You know, my dad, you know, my dad's dad had four. So, as my great-grandfather had five, my grandfather had four boys, plumbers, all plumbers. My dad had three boys, all plumbers. I've got two boys, all plumbers. My other two brothers have one son each plumbers. So, can you see the the problem we're
having here with our population collapse, five for every five tradesmen that die or retire, there's two replacements. That's a serious problem. this other crap that y'all deal with, that's not as big a problem. All right, thank y'all much. And and whatever y'all do, please stop taking corporate chemical vaccine injections. They're leading to the demise of our people. Thank you, Larry. Always good to see you. All right. Uh staff, any anything be back on March 3rd? Just several reasonzonings
will be next month and maybe a couple small scales. All right. Very good. Well, that does it for today. Thanks everybody. Holy [ __ ] You can go and get all of your new news now. All right, y'all have a beautiful day. Look how beautiful it is outside. That's the one thing. Hey, I'm looking over that stuff you sent yesterday. Do you need some data analysis? Do we need to compile some? Guess we do population stuff.
I don't really know. I'm not Yeah, that that's wrong. We'll pow with Drew and see