##VIDEO ID:zjHYy2_0Ivg## y e SL she's awesome very excited excellent yet absolutely oh no I didn't come on now spe e h a show good afternoon uh welcome to the scambi county tourist development council meeting uh  today is August 29th and it is 3:06 p.m. uh Danielle was the meeting properly advertised  yes in the sun press on August 22nd great thank thank you uh will you please call the role Jeff BOS James Reeves Mary Hawking Shirley cronley here David Bayer here Ronald Rivera here  mati Patel here tin Yad Bron and Casey Jones great uh so we do have five members we do have  a quorum so the meeting is officially called to order um there is uh one add-on to the agenda  that I forgot to add on it is for pensacon Andy Tran is here to speak to that item and I'll put  that down uh before the other business at the end of the agenda uh does anybody else have  any add anything to add to the agenda Mr chairman could we separate the base Center and the sports  facility and talk about them separately I mean I see them on the same line item I mean I I know  for you know for time we keep them together but it would be nice to talk about them separately uh we  can they they had asked to have the agenda item that oh so I just list is it one and the same I  mean is it I think they're all coming up I think I think Ry and Michael rhods are going to come up  and speak about the sports complex and uh Michael caps is coming up probably with them also to speak  about the Bas so essentially it's okay okay thank you all right um can I get a motion to approve the  agenda as presented motion second so we have a motion from Miss cronley a second from Mr Rivera  is there any uh any other changes or discussion objections seeing none please show it adopted  thank you um all right moving on to the next item is uh public forum uh we have a handful of um well  no we only have two speakers for public forum uh today one first one is Meg uh peler welcome uh you  have three minutes please introduce yourself thank you good afternoon I'm Meg Peltier president and  CEO of the Pensacola Beach Chamber of Commerce and I'm here this afternoon to first of all thank the  TDC board for your support of the Pensacola Beach Chamber this past year in particular our Fireworks  program that has brought thousands of tourists to Pensacola Beach and we're very excited to now be  continuing with that in the coming year but the reason I'm here today is I just personally want  to thank you for the support that I've received from the staff Allison and Stephen have been  amazing this past year was my first time applying and doing the grant but also to let you know that  this week the chamber issued a press release announcing my retirement I will be leaving  the chamber on October 1st and very excited about some of the things that are going to be happening  in the future but I wanted the board to know that we already have in place the person that will be  stepping into my shoes and that's Jessica Simpson she's been our VP of membership services for the  last two years has over five years of experience with the Pensacola Chambers their director of  operations and plans to pursue this chamber path for her career so we are very excited to have her  with us I'm very confident that she'll be hand able to handle all of the things that come in  front of us and we'll be taking our chamber to new heights but we're so grateful that you  have been so supportive of us and we have some great ideas going forward for ways that we can  continue to develop tourism on Pensacola Beach but I just want to recognize Jessica she's here  today and um welcome her and I hope that you'll all get a chance to meet with her and again just  wanted to thank you so much for your support great thank you mag and and congratulations and  congratulations to both of you look forward to working with you um next speaker is Mimi bass did did you want to speak to a subject or just general public comment thank you thank you  I'm here with CCA Florida yes in discussion and support of the reef program so um thank you very  much for having me here today do you want to speak on behalf of the to The Reef program because it's  an agenda item and we'll take speakers during that item pardon me oh yes I had another engagement so  they were accommodating okay and and thank you yes because we're we're pledging to the event  so they had asked me to go ahead and address you great um so my name is Mimi bass I'm uh a local  person here in Pensacola and I've been serving as the president of CCA Florida Pensacola chapter for  about eight years I'm really honored on behalf of CCA Florida to and if you're not familiar that's  Coastal conservation Association of Florida it's a 501c3 nonprofit organization dedicated to marine  fisheries Coastal conservation education and advocacy and who is CCA Florida together with our  18,000 members 47 chapters in Florida including recreational Anglers outdoor enthusiasts we  support the protection of Marine Resources access to marine fisheries law enforcement have habitat  restoration and balanced fishery regulations we are a collective voice for recreational anglers  in Tallahassee as well in Washington DC CCA and its Affiliates are in every state and we're the  largest Marine environmental organization in the United States why the artificial reefs since 2007  CCA Florida and its Partners have deployed more than 47 artificial reefs in the State of Florida  the artificial Reef program to CCA Florida originated in the Panhandle with Pensacola  CCA Florida who has also successfully completed large large fold deployments with several more in  progress we understand artificial reefs and the importance of them in our ecosystem artificial  reefs create mimic natural reefs and function therefore to provide a number of ecosystem  services primar purpose of the artificial reef is to create new Habitat to enhance populations of  marine organisms the variety of habitat created by artificial wreaths leads to an increase in  both biomass and biodiversity throughout the area several different sea species seek Refuge through  the structures attracting large predators and gamefish as well as corals and small reef fish  more red snapper are caught off artificial reefs than any other Reef system in the in Florida so  it's a very vital vital program but the economics at CCA Florida we understand also economics and  driving tourism and people to Florida is a big part of us throughout our 47 chapters through the  state we recognize the benefit of the artificial reefs as very sustainable as well these newly  functional ecosystem attract recreational Anglers and divers from all over the world the increase in  tourism throughout the region while still helping to reduce the pressure on your natural Reef system  so the artificial reef is vital to the life of your natural Reef system by giving an alternative  to people and the encroachment on those and it supports a healthy Coastline so artificial  reefs are maintained and they're free education and tourism it's fun you just add the water you  deploy the reef and then nature builds the rest and maintains it it's kind of a refreshing idea so  there's many studies on the economic development associated with artificial reefs and the benefits  of those for years to come but most importantly I think that you want to know about the commitment  that CCA has to this area we like the opportunity first I would like the opportunity to recognize  Robert Turpin and his hard work in getting and managing this program through the leadership  and they have helped to make Pensacola one of the Premier dive and fishing locations and Pensacola  is on many people's you know blue green travel map as well as on their bucket list for these  visiting these so CCA Florida had pledged on behalf a CCA Florida Reef habitat grow uh grant  program $50,000 um and that's just for the start with the with the SS uh United States but we're  interested in the largest artificial Reef in the United States so on behalf of CCA Florida they've  also asked to participate in a more gratuitous way as the pro program continues to develop we  have other organizations and places within the State of Florida uh aquariums where we have  donated over a million dollars to fund rooms and um fishing education programs throughout Florida  but this is a really good fit for CCA we have just right now a $1 million grant program going  on throughout the State of Florida just for Reef renourishment so when this project was brought  to CCA Florida they put a gold seal on it and want to help out and participate and I'm really  honored to be here thank you so much appreciate than for your time thanks for your comments ask Brian did you want to speak to an item or general  just public forum well you're next Brian W thank you please introduce yourself thank you Brian wre with the golf coose minority Chamber of  Commerce and uh thank you so much for the time today I'm handing out some fowers for you here  to personally invite you to the Pensacola supplier de development exchange uh it's an exchange we're  having September the 10th from 9:00 to 2 at the Karen Jones Center location here in Pensacola and  what it is is opportunity for businesses to get a chance to meet with local and state agencies to  help provide goods and Market their goods to them and look for bids and contracts uh tourism wise  it's kind of interesting the fact that we have the departments in Tallahassee come Pensacola  for this event there only about six events in the whole state of Florida they come here  Department of Transportation Corrections wildlife services criminal justice and they hear and they  provide chance to give information about the Departments but then also have people  meet them and create bids and contracts for those individuals so I just want to  personally invite you to the event uh in the past we have people come from Miami from New  York Texas Louisiana for the day to meet with all our vendors in the area thank you great thank you Brian okay sure hi guys hi good to see you Tim Rishon here uh two porino Drive Pensacola Beach I'm the  president of C Pensacola and I just wanted to give you a little bit of update on our foiling  week upcoming event I've got a little bit of handout that I gave you and I'm just going to  run through a description Rachel if I could have the next slide so the date of this mark  your calendars is February 24th to March second this is going to be for Sailors who  are going to be racing and for the public we have a race Village that's going to be  very engaging for the public why we're going to shine the global World light on Pensacola  and what we can provide recreationally what are the boats we're going to have sailboat races  in at least six classes maybe more the sailing Festival will be where the public engages this  will be at Maritime Park and I'll go through the map on that there will be a film festival that's  original and documentary we have public demos so you can come out and try these foiling boats  for yourself and there will be educational forums about technology and technique Rachel  so here's a map of How It's laid out we have the major venues in downtown Pensacola Pensacola Yacht  Club is going to be launching the boats the race Village will be at Maritime Park we're activating  the maritime Park Marina as well with a variance from the city to bring the 32t gc32 catamarans  over and fly their flags and Banners right there we have access to the stadium as it turns out so  we'll activate our VIP lounge and take the VIPs from the lounge to the least fairies where we'll  take them out on the race course with commentators and explain what they're seeing uh next slide  that's the really the layout of the City penso yach Club is going to be where the boats are  launched you can see the three race courses there and the race Village at Maritime Park  Rachel on the beach we have a lot of activation out there as well so we're using Park West as the  board epicenter there will be something like 60 boards that are foiling flying pumping paddling  and down winding uh launching off the the beach on both sides into the Gulf and on the Flat Water  of the sound and of course we're going to use quiet water for the public demos so upcoming we  have a stakeholders seminar coming up the first week in November where we want to get all the  stakeholders together and explain what they're going to see during that week mark your calendars  February 24th to March 2nd 25 there's the website info and Rachel if you could play that little video for right okay thank you D thank you for that and I'm gonna turn the microphone over to  Tom pace and have him give you an update on activities at pyc thank you thank you  will you please fill out a speaker form and Tom I need you to fill one out too please I'll do that on the way out y thank thank you Mr  chair hey guys um so uh Tim wanted me to update that from foiling week for pyc tons of that deal  we're going to Stage there's a challenge obviously being close to marra but we're trying to work that  out best as possible uh we should have anywhere between 180 to 300 different boats it's a big  thing so within the numbers we're not real sure um Lake Garda event this year had good numbers even  in the worst weather they've had in 12 years um people across the board are looking at this event  as a building event um we always want to under promise and outperform but I've already had people  asking the yach club to host World Championships in 2026 for one of these classes that'll bring 200  votes um they wanted to be a part of foiling week we told them um board member cronley said we're  not going to authorize this for multiple than one year but we'll see how this goes so that's  the the deal there main reason I'm here is to tell you guys how your investment is doing with  American magic as you can see I'm wearing this I'm not here to ask for anything but just to let you  know everywhere in Barcelona people know about Pensacola I've had my visor printed up with the  Pensacola logo on it according to DC that's fine I can do that um everywhere people are excited about  American magic the boat is doing well preliminary Riata this past weekend was the last time all the  boats would get together before the the early start of the America's Cup which the Louis  Vuitton cup which got underway today um our guys sadly did not have a great race today but this is  a month-long competition so uh we're good before that you could cut the stress with a knife nobody  knew if the the millions of dollars these programs actually had developed the right boat the right  kit everything else we got on the water one our first race had a part break in the next last race  we go against New Zealand best boat in the world absolutely crushed them got off the line better  spanked him kind of embarrassed him actually so the team now is light they're confident learning  curve here is vertical and they're excited to do what they do but again everywhere I went whether  it at the fancy W Hotel or at the Skybox viewing area or little small restaurants by Roman walls  that go back to 400 ad they went oh that P see I go you bet so the mission is doing well your  investment is awesome greatly appreciated uh tune in every morning uh 7:00 for the next month races  will start they're a few days off schedule's easily printed Buck Mitchell will put a thing up  we've got watch parties at Seville every morning if you want to go into apple anes or I'm sorry  um Lily Marlins okay and right now ker and DC and Bobby are actually over there kind of waving the  flag for us so it's a good thing any questions uh yes Council please turn your microphone on your microphone's still not on yeah no it is so uh the question was how could she find information  about it uh multiple media Pages certainly Facebook will have that it's AC America's Cup  37 or if you look American magic right that'll come up and they printed daily schedules and I  can actually probably send that to Chairman Baron he can get that to you and it'll show the the the  schedule of races back out seven hours and that's going all happen here okay and can you tell me  off the top of your head just how much um how much money does it bring us I'm sorry how much  what how much does it bring the city as far as money well on the very hard number with the team  was here they had 147 people so that's hard dollars in for accommodation what they're  doing Transportation daily expense being in the community when they come back they're bringing  boats as well part of the contract of the city in American magic was that they had to bring  radas here that I couldn't as a Commodore of the yach club right now I'm already bringing  in World Championships and we have a whole bunch of events I'll talk to you guys about for next  year about the impact we're going to bring but they get to touch a different class of sailors  the ones that would historically be billionaires and Millionaires and they go to Europe and race  they don't come here so within that they're looking at at least two events a year that  they'll bring in those should bring in on average 4 to 500 people to compete and race  all those need rooms through American magic I'm setting up two events uh this coming year March  and April and these are 52ft racing boats and they're 11 people per crew and they come hang  out they rig their boats at the Port tie up at palifox Marina uh they race for a week put  them back on the port go away come back and race again have their parties and do everything else  um and they want to make Pensacola their permanent base they would have never come  here had it not been for American magic thank you you're welcome any other questions Jimbo how much  more money do you need well I'm glad you've asked me here that's for the next conversation always  more than more than we can spend but uh the plan going forward I told you guys before the hope is  to commoditize riatas so Ronnie doesn't have to look at me and go is this a kids event is this a  multi- hall how many people you know Ray and Daren through what they've done with contract with blue  angels there's now an easier to work formula to do this according to uh Ellis bulock and a few  others we can try to plug into that Ray wants to help make the numbers legitimate so when we show  the rados that we're bringing in prospective number of people that are coming we'll be able  to dumb this down into what the heads and beds are what the needs will be and then frankly what  the impact will be each year going forward but it's substantial um people call me about every  two days wantan to come here and compete so now the the fun thing is to try to work within the  spiderweb of schedules between marra and fiestas and everything that's done here in town uh so  you don't pray on the inventory for hotel and vrbos okay great passed thank you Tom appreciate it uh and that is our last public forum was this properly advertised this what was it properly  advertised yeah we started with that did we I didn't hear yeah okay I just make sure um all  right that ends public forum session uh review and approval of the meeting minutes those were  distributed with the agenda uh second hey Jim will you turn on your microphone too please  sir so the people at home can hear you thank you we had a motion from Mr Reeves we had a second  from someone yeah is it Shirley yeah from Shirley uh is there any debate or dis or discussion any changes uh seeing none please show those adopted thank you uh review of the expenditure audit Trail  generally we have Mr Baker here but I don't see him in the crowd so Mr Hall come on down please welcome thank you good afternoon council member stefen Hall uh Office of Management and budget um so in the reports that have been provided by our clerk's office um on the very last page  of that report you would see that the the current Year's 2024 tdt budget total roughly 46.2 million  with 15.2 million in expenditures to to date and 7.7 million as encumbered and with 23.2  million remaining uh as the available balance within the tdt fund now I believe some of the  qu the question may have been what exactly does that 7.7 million represent what that represents  is the current contracts for the month of September and and expenditures for the month  of August that are remaining to potentially be paid could you hold on a second what what page  are we on he's saying these numbers and I have no idea where we find them so those were emailed out  but not they haven't been printed so we don't have them sitting in front of us because they  weren't printed about audit expenditure Trail it's the big thick document that  we generally get from the that the clerk's office print emails to Danielle and we send out okay so again those incumbrances those amounts remaining represent Visa Pensacola  Pensacola Sports Association and Ace um again those are the balances remaining on those POs  as well as the the Our Community Partners which are the tdt partners that's what that those  amounts remaining Now understand if if if our partners don't spend all that money it remains  in the tdt fund but those are the the balances of the contract approvals for fiscal year 2024 also um I did prepare um the balances of our TD T TDC Reserve policy and Reserve  balances I believe I provided that to the chairman hopefully you guys received all  that so current balance of reserves it out either is roughly 21.1 million additionally there are three additional years um committed to to the base Center  which was part of that roughly $10 million uh contribution from the tdt for Capital  Improvements the total of the three remaining years for the Baye Center is roughly 6.9 million uh the Beach renourishment Reserve is currently 1.5 million the marketing Reserve is  4,322 704 the public facility Reserve is 3.5 million what was that 4 million what  Mar marketing Reserve no what is what was the balance uh the the total balance of that fund  21.1 no no of just that that marketing fund okay marketing Reserve is 4 million 32274 thank you the unallocated or uh available Reserve under the board board  of County Commissioners is currently Tim Mill 10, 35627 and the special event Reserve is 1,465 137 any questions or comments from the the 10,356 you said was for bard  of County Commissioners correct those are unallocated reserves that fund 108  yes that is the the unallocated to the other restricted funds and it's  just an unrestricted balance correct and the bulk of that is the fifth Cent tdt have another question yeah 6.9 you said for 3 years is that out of the 10  million for the base center or is that correct that's part of the $10 million appropriation  that we approved that County Commission approved it's the first year has been  paid correct correct the 3.1 and that's a balance that's the remaining balance any other questions or comments no all right thank you sir stay up there though because you're the next item on the agenda  too status of funds available which you just read in the county and a county budget update  we gave you guys a in June at our last meeting we presented approved to make the recommendation  to the board County Commissioners for the allocation of the the tdt for next year and  we would just like update on where that what has been loaded into the budget um obviously we know  that there's an upcoming meeting next month for the the board to have the final hearing uh but  sure so as far as the budget the recommended budget from from the TDC is the budget that  we have included in the in the board's budget um no other changes um beyond that at this time okay and did you want me to do the status of funds yes please all right James regrets regrets that  he can't be here but uh he he believes that uh going on a on a cruise was a little more  important than being here to to do this status of funds today unfortunately support tourism tell  him he's never invited back support tourism I like it um so again uh my name is Stephan Hall Finance  director of scambi County budget office today we will present be presenting you with the status  of of tdt funds through the month of July 2024 the clerk's office has provided the appropriate backup  uh and breakdown of the expenditures the fiscal year 24 collections with interest through the  end of July 2024 total 17 m392 569 as compared to the collections through May of 2023 totaling 16,  674 714 uh for a collect collective increase of roughly 78,000 uh as comparing this year  to last year fiscal year 24 collections through July totaling 17 milon 392562  are 87% of the fiscal year 24 Tour development tax budget of 20 million again expenses through  July of 2024 total approximately 15.24 million the current tourist development  tax cash balance is 29.2 million through July 2024 it's pretty good okay so what was the date of those collections through the most updated report that we have is um June's returns received  in July so is that a portion of July's numbers in there or all of July's numbers already in  there yeah it should be because we're past the 20th of August I believe so it should be  Apples to Apples okay so we don't have that so what is the percent change year-over-year year  to date through July uh it was a 3% increase because June had a 16% increase year-over-year I did not do that particular calculation you don't have that but but again we are up 78,000 over what was the number 17 million seven technically the number is 71785 of the total collection 17 million correct that's over last year 17 392,000 all right thank you all right all right and um I just have just a a church devilment Council  information item the fiscal the fiscal year 2022 base Center incentive in the amount of  37 $7,300 and a penny uh will require an additional transfer from the tdt fund to  the Bas Center fund uh per the terms of the Bas Center contract that was approved by the board  in June of 20120 this will be paid from the first two pennies of the tdt which was PL pledged for  base Center operations um this will be paid from the board's unrestricted Reserves that is due to  the positive performance of the base Center absolutely they've been doing a fantastic job  right any questions or comments that comes out of the 10 million doll amount you said correct  okay yes out of the 10 million not the 10 million that we appropriated the $10 million unrestricted  funds yes comes out of the boards portion of the first two pennies that's unallocated Reserves any any questions or comments all right thank you Stefan does that conclude your report uh I  will be back in a little bit okay thank you yeah don't go far all right uh next  item on the agenda is the Bas Center and Ashton Brenham uh Indoor Sports facility  discussion question um we have Ray Palmer and Michael rhs and Michael  caps welcome question this things either getting taller or I'm getting shorter so what a day um I'm not going to kid you in my 25 years of being  in the sports tourism business starting back on Shirley's board as a board member  and then uh having the honor to be named the executive director and then president CEO of  pincola sports this guys is absolutely the biggest day of uh my professional career as you all know  I'm a pretty emotional dude I'm very excited and compassionate about what I do um so I'm a little  more nervous than I normally am I'm usually pretty comfortable in front of you guys but but as I said  this is a huge huge day for our community um so I'm going to start um with I made some notes and  usually I don't make any notes right I I just be Ray and so I'm going to do my best to be Ray  but I want to make sure I get this right because this is this is important um so first on behalf of  myself and I'm and first thank you for those of you who aren't on a cruise because I know  the opportunity of cruises that you had today and having been in the shipyard industry for many of  the years of my youth and having done what you had the opportunity to do thank you for not doing that  because that's one of the coolest things ever and I'm was definitely jealous of those of people and  friends and family that are doing it but anyway my first I wanted to thank publicly um Jeff BOS and  and his commitment to our County but specifically to our tourism industry as a whole because um you  know he without his vision and his support I don't know that we would be here today so uh  commissioner BOS wherever you may be and hopefully you're watching I wanted to say thank you from the  tourism industry uh to him for his service um I don't think we'd be here today to make this  presentation uh without his his vision and his support it's my honor to start the presentation  for what truly is a historic day in the tourism industry for Escambia County as we are going to  present to you two initiatives that have been talked about studied thought about studied and  studied some more but most importantly dreamed about for many many years while we all know the  beaches of Escambia County are the number one draw for our visitors it's equally known the importance  of not being a one-trick pony we've all seen the devastating impact of both natural disasters and  man-made mistakes and what the impact they can have on our industry the development of additional  and diverse assets to complement our tremendous history our fantastic cultural options as well as  everything else is the road to continued growth and success a friend a friend many years ago  gave me actually two quotes that sit on my desk every day the first the truth is that good ideas  brilliant Innovations and miraculous discoveries go nowhere unless somebody forms a team to act  on them well I don't know if we're getting to the brilliant in Inventions or miraculous discoveries  today I do know we have built a team to act on the great ideas with the noblest of intentions  the other half of that same game same page that sits on my desk is a quote that says a good idea  is worth $1 the plan for Implement implementing that idea is worth a million dollars quite  frankly today we're talking about millions of dollars I'm proud to say we have built this team  one of the other neat things about today for me personally are two of the people who will  be providing the meat of our presentations the Michaels as I call them roads and caps both of  these young leaders in our community are like a blend of my sons they're little brothers they're  my mentors are my mentees but most importantly they're my friends and they're my teammates I'm blessed every day to work with these guys with a joint Vision to grow the very  successful and valuable sports tourism industry in Escambia County you've heard and seen from  the fantastic job these two guys have done and their respective teams in their respective roles  over the past few years while we at Pensacola Sports often get the Press hopefully good for  the growth in our Sports tourism indust industry initiatives and successes none  none of what we do happens without without the support of these guys and their teams so let's  get to it today we're presenting to you two initiatives that will transform the tourism  industry in esami County First Michael rhs will present the results of the latest study of the  multi-purpose indoor venue then Michael caps will outline line the plans for major upgrades  and modernizations to our base Center to close the presentation Stefan will come back thank  you Stefan we'll provide the board with the most important information and that will be  an outline on how all of this could be paid for after the presentations um and Ron gonly anytime  obviously whenever you want to interrupt but after the presentations we'll open the floor  for uh to the board for questions thank you and I will now turn it over to Michael one Michael rhods thank you Ray hard act to follow there um first I want to thank my supervisor Wesley  Hall and County Administrator West Marino along with our staff deputy director Adam  Reed for uh everyone's support and hard work over the frankly the year  leading into this and uh good afternoon I'm Michael rhods Parks and Recreation director  and I thank you want to thank the TDC committee members for your time and consideration and of  course thank you Ray Palmer at Pensacola sports for his continued hard work and enthusiasm and  trying to bring this project to a true reality I hope you've received the presentation in advance  electronically I did put them up on the dis um and I'm not going to read the PowerPoint verbatim  I Look to go through it uh on bullet points if that's okay with you in 2023 we followed  and went through the county procurement process to a te and we hired convergence design which  partnered with Crossroads Consulting both leaders in the Sports Marketing and study field the study really got rolling in the start of 2024 and is wrapping up at this  point culminating as noted in the study and recap this Market in exami county in this region will  absolutely support the needs of indoor sports facility and facility hosting multiple types of  events as you all know and I grew up here went to the University of West Florida the University of  West Florida is the only true competitive Indoor Sports facility of its type University of West  Florida is a growing University its priority is the students as it should be it's very tough  to get space and we're great partners with the University of West Florida but the bottom line is  it's tough to get indoor event space at University of West Florida and I want to reiterate uh they're  great partners of ours and we worked hand inand with them through this study you will hear me say  this several times in my short presentation brosam Park is a county-owned facility it's  a great facility Bram Park is county-owned it currently has 13 lit soccer fields it's home to  Major soccer events in the Youth Sports World um it's also home to the Nia national championship  this coming up November and it's also hosted two SEC women's soccer championships with with  a third to follow in late October into November what does this demonstrate folks like coming to  scambia County for the sports um it demonstrates people like broam Park as I said I grew up here  long ago broam Park out in that region in Canton may have been thought of as a little far out the  truth of the matter is Broan Park is not far out anymore it's in the hub of Escambia County uh  it's a major Corridor uh out in the highway 29 9 M Road area with plenty of hotels which will  be covered later in the presentation again it's a hub of Youth Sports and you might hear that again  later in my presentation as well um it's a tried and proven location it doesn't get any better  than the SEC and again we're willing to grow that and we want to grow that and make that the true  destination of sports in Escambia County which we feel it's already on its way key points as I want  to again reiterate brome is is is county-owned it's a 14 AC we have 14 acres on this property  that's open flat and undeveloped the undeveloped flat portion we did the studies and working with  convergence we feel that a 100 100,000 square foot building with 73,000 square ft of open column free  floor space compatible for sports events expose special events and various diverse events will fit  the bill for this type for this type footprint again it's 14 Acres of open flat land that the  county owns currently already zoned for recreation another key point also built did you say 173,000  Square ft no sir 100 I'm sorry 100,000 square foot would be that what would work into this  facility on the 14 acres with 73,000 I apologize 73,000 Square ft of open downstairs floor Spates  column free open to floor um another key Mike real quick and I don't mean to interrupt you  how how many people could you put in that facility I don't have that number right in front of me but  I will say when you when you talk about teams I don't have a capacity of exactly how many folks  I'm thinking more about cars in the neighborhood I was that was my next line actually um one key  component on this 14 acres when we talk about uh how big the building is going to be 700 plus  parking spaces in the current uh design okay again that was my next line Mr Rivera is 700  paved parking spaces uh as I've been across a lot of these facilities in the Southeast  with my own Sons parking can be a challenge 700 paved parking spaces with the obviously  some over some um extra parking space as well but the 700 paved parking spots is a very very  key in this in this situation um I appreciate that question again the six the eight it would  it would com it would have eight full court basketball courts that can be transformed  into 16 hardcourt volleyball courts hardwood has been recommended in this study for longevity and  maintenance and it transforms into open uh floor space for Expos and various other activities as well I will I will don't want to take raay Thunder when I turn it back to  him these type of events in our study are estimated to potentially generate  an annual economic impact of up to $37 million or more per year moving forward in the presentation let's see here when we started this back in January we  we again met with many stakeholders across the area to include University of West Florida um  Pensacola State College other youth stakeholders in the area and one major stakeholder as they are  neighbors of ours on this property the esamia County School District why the school district  is so important because as you come into this facility there are three schools on Ashton Brenham  Road Great Partners this type of facility will benefit the scam County students not only those  three schools on that road but open floor space for recreation and sports activities is always  challenging in the school system this will be a win-win we have had discussions with Mr Leonard  and his team early on in this in this process about could we possibly transverse Schoolboard  property on a second Road entry into this facility so you have two options for Ingress and egress  and they were more than supportive it will be a win-win for the school and of course the soccer  will also benefit because you will then have the potential to have two entries and and exits to  the facility moving forward again a win-win and a great partner moving forward for the community not  just for events but for classes such as PE youth basketball that has played at middle schools when  they need extra space as you all know it's a challenge across the community indoor sports  challenges were also identified and and strengths challenges that were quickly identified was the  traffic that's the that's why we met with the school Ward initially other other challenges uh  competition in Regional facilities such as Foley funding for construction is a challenge with with  inflation and and price going up um again I feel we turned into these these potential challenges  into a positive in meeting with Mr lonard and the school board early on because we feel this  can be a great benefit to the school system and also eliminate some possible traffic concerns  to our soccer programs and possibly even the school again turning this possible challenge  into a positive um again we have great Partners great Partners across the board of this there's  strong demand from local sports groups New Economic impacts uh new markets to tap into  there's very active local sports programs here that are dying to have indoor sports more than  just a few facilities they're currently at There's an opport opportunity to fill gaps in the current  inventory and again one thing that was quickly pointed out when convergence uh started their  study is the great relationships that's already in place with Pensacola Sports along with visit Pensacola again several site plans were were studied when this process started nothing is in  stone on the exact layout of the facility again it is estimated that 100,000 foot facility will  fit into this footprint of for approximately 14 acres um but nothing is in stone we did do  several shetes that had several different building Concepts but nothing is in stone of the exact layout open common area in the facility open common area and this was a challenge what would  go in there besides the basketball courts and the volleyball courts open common areas would include  meeting spaces viewing areas restrooms plenty of vendor space concession or retail areas if needed  and one pretty cool aspect if you've ever been to Olive Baptist Church and a a second floor walking  Track and viewing area to see your your your child or grandkids play but also to be open to  the public on various dates for walking in general activity and in Recreation that was a big deal  when we did this we certainly realize this is a tourism driven uh model but at the same time we  have to be successful in meeting the need of our community needs for this to make this work and get  full support from our community the bottom line is that we have to have Community Support so there  will be plenty of aspects for recreation for the local kids in the area the adults in the area and  folks just wanting to exercise and stay healthy very important and I do not want to overlook this  traffic was a major concern I want to touch on that one last time and that was something that  we needed to address and we feel that we're well in our way in meeting with the school  board on the option to Traverse their property behind their schools and create another access point all right again I'm G to turn it back over to Ray in just a minute when  I when because I definitely want him to mention and get into the economic impact in the room KN  aspect but I really want to emphasize again ran park being the county-owned park undeveloped we  own it it's not like we're having to go search for property and then bring in uh millions of  dollar of fil dirt to to make it flat so we can build on it this is something that  is ready to roll it's something we have it's in a growing area in our community many years  ago as I mentioned this may not have been the ideal location we feel today it is the perfect  location it's a major hub for sports the SEC is coming back this year and we're looking  to extend a contract with them moving forward Brenham Youth Soccer already has 7 to 800 kids  annually playing soccer out there and that's not going away um the possible addition of a premier  end their Sports facility would only create more diverse type opportunities at this facility and  certainly create more economic impact through the events that we would be able to bring in we  do realize a project of this magnitude is very expensive we respectfully we would respectfully  request the support from the TDC committee and your support to the board of County Commissioners  moving forward in which I know Mr Hall will talk about some of those funding possibilities moving  forward but in closing in my portion of this of this presentation I really want to emphasize this  project can be a win-win for everybody the retail in the community the restaurants in the community  and also the local citizens in the area and this is something that will stand the test of time we  feel long long after I'm gone as far as in this position but moving forward for our kids and  their kids again it's something we don't have wuwf is fully tapped our competitors to our West are  kicking it pretty good and Foley and East around Panama City we have a chance here to really hit a  grand slam I really truly feel that Mr Palmer Ray my good friend Ry has worked his tail off  the study showed what frankly we expected it would show it just confirmed what our thoughts would be  again I really would truly appreciate apprciate your support moving forward uh and your support  for us for the board of County Commissioners and appreciate your time uh we'll be here at  the end to answer any questions we may be able to answer and at this time I'll turn it back over to Ray thank you Michael um I'm not going to dig into all the economic impacts because y'all all have  them and you can study them and research them we do know that the numbers panned out even despite  the the surrounding General competition that we've seen happen since we started this initiative in  2009 and then we started a study in 2013 we did it and then we did another study in 2016 and we did  another one in 2019 we like said we've studied and studied and studied and we keep getting the same  results so now it's action time so if you've got something specific I mean it's a proven win that  we need so if you have something specific I'll be happy to address this uh it is a Monday through  Thursday Community event that there become the weekends is when your tourism component kicks  in yes sir Mr Reeves you have a question yeah um I always get interested when we talk about the  economic impact if it's going to cost am I correct it's going to cost 61,200 th000 on the high side  yes and it's one thing to build it what what is where is the operational cost going to come from  and is there a deficit and operational cost there there will be for sure A A Des a deficit in the in  the beginning years operationally um obviously uh anytime a community invest in this a lot of these  facilities are subsidized at some capacity um the one thing that's nice um about where we we are  sitting is is that we've been looking at this for a long time um and we know the market we're in the  market I actually had four rfps yesterday across my desk that we if we had this facility that we  would have access to that was in one morning that I had opport and it's like that all the  time so there are different models and how you can operate this and the and the study the full  study addresses that there are options you can do it with Michael and his team we can create  the county park and Rex Department you can go to a uh an outside agency which is the way a lot of our  community and competitors do it where they bring in a professional uh operating arm and they have  a contract and they have a performance clause and they are responsible for doing the programming and  paying for that and that can be a model and then you can do a hybrid of those so that is  one of the things that is yet to be that will be determined we don't know what all the amenities  of these are you can do 40 8 million or you can do 61 depending on how fancy things get and you  know you do as you can affect any building project goes so we can affect what the end dollar amount  of this is based on available funds and of how we want to build what what we want to build I don't  know that I answered your question very well and well the reality is is we don't know it's very  likely that there will be some subsidies for these types of buildings just like they are so often  for public facilities but what I'm asking is we're going to end up learning where the  money to build would come from what I'm asking is where's who's going to pay the operational cost for it our our goal will be to set it up operationally so that it is at least  Revenue neutral that that's our plan and goal to do that but you're opening up a business and there  are no 100% guarantees I will tell you I would suspect it will come out of TDC if you have debt  revenue losses just like you do a bay center and just like you can whether it be whatever other  things that communities own in a community center I don't think you can show me a community center  probably many places that is revenue positive in any community and so I think there's a balance  that we are looking for to um we know that uh you know one of the things the reality Jim is that to  understand the value of Tourism is everybody that comes to tourism and creates new Revenue all that  money doesn't necessarily come back to TDC a lot of it comes to a community or a general fund of  a community to support that and so then you have to count on your elected official of understanding  the value of that asset to say yes it doesn't directly pay for itself but it indirectly pays for  itself is that a better answer getting there okay Mr chairman uh R you mentioned uh I guess you said  that you understand the Legacy cost or the offset maintenance cost of this was in in that Crossroad  study is that correct I'm sorry say that again so the the the maintenance cost on this or whatever  the delt is that that TDC is going to have to pay out over a number of years that was in that the  study the crossroads study is that what you said yeah they're always in those studies is they have  a a till a normalized year and let me let me just and because I'm trying to get to get to where I'm  going with this is so is that the or is are you guys using the Julian Queen study initially or is  this an addition I don't know any Julian I think that was it Julian that put this Crossroad study  together years no that was P that was led by pen Sports okay okay uh so the original study was led  by you guys too is that right and I'm mistaken on that that's right we did the exact same thing we  went out for bids and it was actually LED I'd say that it was more led by Pensacola sports but it  was actually a county RFP and it was done by years the one years ago and this is not the same study  right no sir okay it just happens to be the same organization okay got multiple years they also are  the ones who did the study on the con a Convention Center that visit Pensacola did so there's there's  probably four that there are four that crossroads has been a part of in some capacity they did the  original in 16 they did the 18 I believe for visit 19 renewing this and then they were not the lead  agency in this one and you guys refresh my memory is that the one the initial one that said that it  would be best downtown is that the one are we talking about the same study they I'm trying  to make sure because I don't know the original one had five locations in in various locations  some were downtown some were not okay did we and I don't did we get this in our backup the this study  this one in today's meeting back up yes yeah oh so we did get this study yes I haven't read it yet  okay good thank you I just make sure it's the same I want to make sure I'm on the same page good okay okay charlee yes Ray um how the facil this facility how does it compare to the facility  uh in Foley as far as sizewise uh courts and that sort of thing it's a it's bigger is it  yes yes it's bigger all right and then one other question has there been and I know we're this is  further down the line um I would think if Monday through Thursday is public and then  uh set aside for tourism and that sort of thing would there be money from the county supporting  the public portion as the deficit Michael yeah yeah I certainly again this is the early stages  pinning Hall how the setup is done whether it be from a third party outside or if it ends up  being extended Park Park Parks and Recreation component there will certainly be set up you  know so that if there's public Recreation which we fully intend there to be public Recreation  there will be income for that as well revenue streams set up for that and frankly to help  offset some of the utility cost and upkeep of the building so again we're not to that point  yet of how that exactly sets up but as Ray said the general guideline in the study was Monday  through Thursday and then Friday through Sunday but there's at times there'll be some flexibility  with that based on if there's a weekl long event coming in we certainly will be flexible that's  why regardless if it ends up being an outside organization managing the facility which many  across the country go that route there has to be some Parks and Recreation component  in the in the parameters because of the local component coming in to use it during the week  which will generate some some type of a revenue for sure sure might offset it who knows um the I  another question I just have I mean has is there community in support out in those neighborhoods I  mean you both of you guys know me Mike you work with me closely about Neighborhood Services um  my concern of course would be has the neighbors been notified that we're going to have 700 new  cars in their neighborhood and are they on board with they may be on board with it like you say I  mean bu is a different place than it was just five years ago much less 10 years ago or 15 absolutely  I I I feel some of the concerns would have been traffic which again depending on how this rolls  we'll have still have meetings to be had with I'll say public meetings but rolling out plans  to present traffic plans which we identified early on as possible a concern sure you know not only  for the school but for the neighborhoods again around the park and I by providing that second  access point it may be a win-win for not just the park but for the schools and the neighborhoods in  that area again I'd have to show you'd have to see the way it transverses behind the schools out on  9 Mile Road 10 Mile Road onto Ashton brosam Lane it's it's pretty jammed right now uh but again I  will say when we're planning these type of events uh even with soccer when we have seven 800 kids  out there four nights a week There's it's rarely that bad because the schools get out on that road  seem to be getting out earlier every year by the way but again about 2:30 all the schools are out  Recreation soccer doesn't start till 4:30 530 every afternoon so there's not this big  Jam of traffic between schools and and uh soccer parents and then when there's tournaments that's  normally a weekend activity so again there's a lot of traffic on the road but not all at once comments couple I didn't get the study the if there's a new Crossroads study I didn't get a  copy of that um I just assume the whole time we were looking or I seen this all this data  I got all this stuff but I just assumed it was the original Crossroad Consulting that was done years  ago that was referenced here that's what I this would not be a crossroad study this is Convergence  design they Crossroads just as was a part of this team as opposed to being being the lead team I  got you but when we got sent the papers it has Crossroads logo on it so I just assumed they're  on the logo yes okay so I just assumed it was the old Crossroads study I didn't know there was a new  study we I didn't get a copy of that study um but while while David is looking that up uh Ray  if you if either of you know on that study did it show like financials of hey this is how many  events we would have have this is what maintenance would be this is what you know the net profit net  loss yearly would be on on a facility like this yes okay the the the full all we sent you today  was a 10-page presentation they were actually contracted to make this presentation as part of  theirs and we were like well let's do it because we'll we'll we will present it for you and they  this is their present basically their presentation that we're making on their behalf because they  were hired to make all of this in the presentation so this is their numbers in their presentation and  I'm not not saying that you know we don't own this because we do and it's all been reviewed  by us and approved by us but I would like to go back to Jim's question and and Jim I think I I  think Shirley's question probably explains to you our difficulty because if the County Commission  tells the TDC that we want this building and you use TDC money only to build it and then and then  the board of County Commissioners comes in and says Monday through Thursday you can't  charge anybody that's an Escambia resident to use that Mo use it then that changes the subsidizing  of a facility like that until the board of County Commission or the leadership says this is exactly  how you're going to program it you can't know whether there's going to be a subsid or it's  going to be profitable if you go strictly after tourism you probably have a better chance of being  profitable but our community needs this venue for its day-today citizens so I I hope that helps you  explain why it's hard for us to answer until we know exactly what the men we know this facility is  needed we know we've been told you got to go get TDC money to build this venue and then our County  citizens and and surrounding County Citizens are going to come use it can we charge them and how  much can we charge them that's what we don't know yet sir and so that that's kind of our Dilemma to  say yes you're going to make money yes you're going to have to subsidize or whatever that may  be that's all part of the management structure and like you say may be that that number may  change based on really how this project ends you know what goes in what doesn't go out I mean go  goes in goes out but here's the other question I I would like to have chance to read the study myself  I mean I haven't had an opportunity to read it and I did I overlook it just I I apologize I sent it  to everybody on Tuesday morning but I may have incorrect email addresses for everybody I didn't  get it for reason I'll double check and it could be me that could I've I've got a lot of emails I  got one this morning could be user error on my part um I might be able to clarify the the the  the backup um so I sent I sent to Mr Barrett and he I know you distribute it the shortened version  which is 12 Page Long which is the PowerPoint today that should be in your backup that's what  you're looking at that's what I that's what I got sorry correct I got that but I didn't get  any oh detailed study all I had to say correct we provide a I mean a a 12-page bullet point  for this presentation in your backup that's what was provided today not the 155 page study itself  we certainly can provide that electronically to distribute 100% that is no problem at all it's  a long we certainly didn't want to make full copies for your backup but that's no problem  at all send I mean I would comfortable with this absolutely it again I hope that didn't confuse  the issue but we will I'll send that to Mr bear for distribution it's long it's but I can send it  electronically this afternoon after this meeting to you for distribution all right thank you  um yeah I have some just a few comments also just looking at about the projected operating  deficit I don't know what that means what how well number one if this was going to be  a personal investment I'm not going to build it put that major investment bring investors in to  build a facility with with the expectation of a deficit this is a governmental entity so you  know government owned facility so I know there's a different structure for that but I would hope that  we would look at opportunities the study looked at opportunities uh to monetize it to obviously  opening it up to when it's not being used for the sports complex that's why I was asking about the  square footage could we bring in more convention use it for convention space um I'm sure Andy will  probably talk after this about her their desire to be able to use it for pensacon uh you know  for larger space for larger events which bring in a lot a different type of tourist also but  utilizing that facility for that looking at maybe sponsorship opportunities for different Revenue  sources like we'll talk about with the the bay center shortly um but couple other those are some  comments but a question uh is you gave us a range the 48 to$ 61 million uh when the project goes  over budget because of um change orders Etc uh who is going to be paying for that is that going  to be coming back or will that be someone else's responsibility uh because I don't think that it  it if the TDC is looking at opportunities to and a return on that investment obviously there's a  a return in the economic impact of 37 million to the community uh and I don't think we're looking  for the necessarily the exact return on the the tdt but we have to bond the tdt to be able to pay  for a project like this and so we have to increase tourism uh to be able to pay it off to pay down  our note you know to pay off this Bond and so where um if we hit some number and all of a sudden  you know we've approved a number and then all of a sudden you get halfway into the project you don't  stop a project uh but is it the right thing to do or the fair thing to do to come back to tdt for  additional funds or do you look at other Revenue sources or other funding sources um do you what  do you do uh and if the school district is going to participate are they going to provide some of  their half cent local option sales tax to help fund this project are they going to use they get  uh picco dollars for facilities are they going to be able to utilize those I don't know if these are  conversations you've had with the school district what the school district could actually do with I  don't know what the Pico dollars necessarily can be used for but uh if it's a partnership um what  are they putting into it we see what they will be getting out of it but uh if this is because  they're separate constitutional office I guess I don't know how it's I mean they're totally  different organization with different Revenue sources Etc but they're going to utilize it they  should put in uh and so whether that's through rental usage and you get to pay for it that way  parking 700 paved parking is there an opportunity to utilize that for a reasonable parking rate um  to get a return on that portion of the investment Etc so uh I mean I'm just trying to look at it  from a private investor perspective this is a it's a business opportunity for our community  in tourism we should be looking for a return more than just the economic impact to the surrounding  areas but the utilization of the the facility okay I'll address as many of those as I can um  yes there are addresses of naming rights there's also an an entire additional compon or a component  of the building that is a kind of an add-on that is uh envisioned as a medical facility with one of  our medical Partners it will proba it will likely not be built without that Financial commitment  and long-term contract as being a partner and a resident in the building and again a naming rights  um my past experience in working in this is that this scambi County School District is not allowed  to use their dollars unless they are building a facility on Schoolboard property now we have had  the conversation that that's their policy we all know policies can be changed um and how willingly  they would participate we don't know the answer to that now a cost overrun I I don't know I don't  I'm I've never built a jail or any building like this I don't know how the county looks at you get  change ERS and overruns I mean that's that's the finance people that I'll let Stefan figure that  out but you know honestly our goal is to to bring this in at a number well under the 61 million to  even start and the numbers that I'm seeing around the country support that we can do that so you  know hoping that we never get close to that $61 million cap now I'll let Michael answer a few just  the the partnership with the school board they they rent our facility facilities periodically  the equester center for Cross Country meets uh bran par they run District soccer tournaments at  times so there is agreements in place and working relations in place that there could potentially  be Revenue stream for this facility depending on what they ought to bring to the table of in  their sports or event and and activity world in the scy county school district um again the land  we haven't got to that as far as the land behind the school it's it's already a road back there  that would have to be extended but they would give us access to that property um to be able to make  that happen that they currently own Mr chairman uh hold on Ron oh sorry Mr Reeves had a question yes sir let me not get ahead but the pro The Proposal that Mr Hall is going to bring forth  does it have any in come from naming facilities or medical facilities as part of the construction cost um again we didn't I would say no those are abilities for us to expand opportunities  to help maintain this cost this is what we think we can build the building for  anything that we can go out and find new money but all I'm saying is probably ought  to ask Mr all but is your provision to construct this building only from our funds so at this time uh when we speak of bonding we are speaking uh of using  tdt dollars to do that I will be presenting that where where what pennies will be used um and and  the the financial split what we anticipate the the total bond to be I would also expect that  we would have a like maybe a 20% contingency built into that for cost overrun so that we  have the best idea but would it would it all your your proposal this afternoon is only TDC  funds correct and for construction only right so why don't we let him tell us what he proposes and and also additionally for so we won't keep dancing well you guys are doing a great job  dancing so um so what I would say is um you know as we work through this we'll be to even issue a  bond we have to have a management contract on the new facility all that has to be in place before  we can issue a bond so all the all those things will be worked out I would uh I would believe  that that my board would approve a fee schedule for different types of events and activities um  you know as part of that management contract again to to our partners here whether it's Mike or or  other Mike um doing that who whoever's going to be managing the facility so so we will work through  that to generate additional revenues and things to offset any operational deficit that there may  be um as work through this we will be potentially looking at maybe another funding source as well  if it fits into this so so again maybe providing some additional capacity um so but those are all  things that we'll be working with Bond counsil and our financial advisers when we really start  getting into that point um let me grab my stuff and I'll I'll speak to based on these  estimations and and what I see and which pennies will cover what so I'll be right back thank you  while he's doing that Ronnie your question just a couple things uh real quick long-term encumbrance  of this board to do other members long term like that you're talking about five six years  potentially that we've spent somebody's budget but that's neither here nor there I guess let  me I do have a pretty serious question about hotel rooms because we know that's really why we're here  right is to discuss hotel rooms and often times you hear me say are there heads in beds we say  it around here all the time how many hotel rooms are within a three mile radius of this venue does  anybody know could anybody oh there's a bunch of trail parks well and that may be a but and listen  everybody stays at the beach anyway we know that's the grand Jewel we get that right but how many  rooms are in that area does anybody know right now Sur I don't know I don't know but I think  like with the uh SEC tournament and also with the uh basketball tournament the beach there were  a bunch of them out at the beach absolutely so they were all over the place so I just wondering  yeah yeah and maybe this hey maybe this generates more rooms out there right maybe more more hotels  we have it in the big study it's in the big study U Adam's looking yes sir thank you Tish may he said I I have no idea yeah I just wonder how many not within three miles I  mean I three or five or half a mile or half a mile none unless you talk airbnbs or something  we can I bet we can use one some of those 700 spaces for an RV park Mr Rees exactly your microphone's off Dam thank you um the other thing is is I mean some of the  pennies are for this type of facility you know not withstanding hotel rooms or the location  of hotel room so I mean theoretically you could build this building miles from hotel or RV Resort sure Stefan ready it's printed about that high that big I can't see it but and to your to what  I just heard you say the nii 16 teams that are coming in December are all staying in December  are all staying um uh you know 20 mi away and many of the SEC teams and sunb Conference teams they  they don't care the the they don't care about driving 20 miles if you build the right venue  they will drive they go to Atlanta they drive 45 minutes all day to play baseball from one  side of Atlanta right TSH one side of Atlanta to the other to go one morning and they they  really don't care it's about the quality of the building and the place you're coming and  we know that's one of the great things about the studies has consistently said people want  to come to Pensacola yeah yeah I I see all all the team buses at Pensacola Beach when that say Stephan council member so again these are estimated numbers as as has been presented  to you um so we know there's a range on the sports facility um you'll hear uh Mr here shortly um for  the Baye center it's the County's contribution is going to be around that3 million uh range um for  that one so basically again these are estimated numbers so I used 60 million for the uh sports  arena and complex and the base Center 30 million so the total of those two would be 90 million uh  for the two projects um the estimated annual Debt Service for for that would be around $6 million  now what I would what I would tell the council depending on what the interest rates are borrowing  cost bonding cost and things like that um we'll also determine what what what our capacity would  be for that six six million what I've seen uh from let's see uh from October of 2023 to I believe April of 2024 um if we bonded $100 million again that maximum annual  Debt Service would be around $6 million it was more expensive to borrow several months  ago than it is now uh I believe I just heard the FED has reduced 25 more basis  points so the cost to borrow continues to go down which means we can borrow more  if it's necessary uh so to say that um the breakdown of those payments between the various  pennies of the tdt we're not going to borrow more we're going to borrow it that amount for less but  if you wanted to so uh again uh estimated the uh annual Debt Service payment approximately 6  million that split would be 2 million uh for the base Center the first two pennies are pledged for  the Bas Center that's where we would pay for for that from so again that would be 2 million out of  the first two pennies the first two pennies are generating currently about 8.6 million  a year the uh sports arena and facility uh that split would be 4 million coming out of that which  would be out of the fifth Cent tdt currently the fifth Cent tdt is generating about 4.3 million and that would be statutorily compliant with with what each Penny  requires so but that's how we would pay for it out those recurring dollars what's  the number of years and what is the interest rate you used to get to Six Million the the interest rates so again when you when dealing with bonds it gets  a little complicated true interest cost 4.18% net interest cost 4.47%  all in 4.21% and the coupon percentage would be 5% so these are generally going  to be done over a 30e Debt Service period which is pretty standard for a bond yeah you ready for a motion are you you like to build up emotion before you have a motion Mr chairman for before this motion goes forward I you know and I that's what I said  earlier can't we separate the two to talk about them I'm I'm very interested in reading that study  um of course I understand the will of this board but I I'm very interested in reading the study  before or I commit to anything I believe both of them and I know both of them to do good work but  without the due diligence of reading it I think I'd feel kind of odd can I can I say something  please I would like um Ray and Michael um to meet with a hotel group um I had a lot of calls I'm  still getting text today because the major thing people are saying is hold on if they build this  thing and it loses money is that me is that less money that's going to Market Pensacola and how is  that going to affect our hotels so um I think it's important one to get to study the full study that  shows if there is a loss how much is a loss and then how's that loss getting covered I I know it's  great for the community and and all that but at the end of the day the folks that are actual Tax  Collectors if it's going to hurt our business how much sense does that make and and I think  this board our our our duty is to make sure that we focus on the proper use of these  bed tax dollars not just hey is it good for the community but hey is it is it going to continue  to grow this bed tax dollar I know right now Stefan said that it's the fifth Cent is 4.3  million but if we're if we're taking a loss every year and I don't even know what the number is but  I mean I know at one time the base Center was eating 1.9 million a year from us I know that  numberers shrunk now but that to me is scary um if a big number is being used to cover a loss now  we potentially that fifth Cent may not be 4.3 now it may be a lot less if we're now we're not using  that money to Market our area yes we have a nice facility but how is that going to affect us moving  forward and I think I personally I have to see that I have to see what kind of numbers are on  that full study that show the loss and and then and then being able to understand from  from stepan or whoever how's that loss getting fulfilled um M I think we've got to hear from the  other mik because really we've only heard from 60 million we got another 30 to go another 50% more I agree Mr caps welcome thank you very much council members uh Michael caps general manager of the  Pence Club Bas center with ASM Global um I want to thank the board here the council here for  the the 10 million that you did commit um those projects are underway uh we're working on those  for this year as well as for next year um by the next hockey season um we will have a brand it will  look almost like a brand new building with new lights new sound uh a new athletic training room  for the team um the parking lots will be repaved the the old fence going around the 9th Avenue Lot  will be down and replaced with a new aesthetic fence so there's a lot of things that are going  into it some new concession rebranding we're doing some of those things that aren't in this big plan  and that's what I talked to you about when we asked for the 10 million was that was step one now  we're going to step two and as Mr Reeve asked uh why didn't I ask for more I would always love to  ask more more but I asked for what I bet I thought I could get uh and I say I uh the county and what  could be realizable with being able to sustain it through an operation plan and any Debt Service  so forth um you ask our great friend Greg Harris who's in the audience I want to thank him for his  support he'd love a brand new hockey building as well uh and a second ice sheet and probably a few  more things uh I do want to thank uh Ray Palmer and Michael rhods for all their work uh Stephan  Hall Wes and Wesley everybody with the county and and bringing everybody together to try to get the  vision that's been talked about uh I came before this board as an event manager in 2013 which we  had dubbed the Cinderella project where we asked for one five 10 20 million to go back into the  building um none of that was ever done um and at that time we were we were looking at an aging ice  plant that was going to go out of service we're in 20124 we're still operating on that but by  your action and the due diligence that we've gone through we'll have a new plant next year uh that's  it's going to be more efficient and that's also going to reduce our cost um I also want to thank  I have a few staff B in place here uh we do have an event tonight with best of the Bay Banquet uh  625 plate up dinner um but I have our finance director uh Michelle our operations director  uh Terry Whitman who's losing a lot of sleep over this to try to make sure the building Works uh in  his previous career he actually uh built zoos uh we're a different kind of zoo now uh that  he's in with the base Center and what we do but and then our event manager uh Kenzie liser who's  been with us coming up on a year uh has been great in helping us book and work and retain  and and get new clients with a lot of cheerleading competitions dance competitions a lot of heads and  beds type events so with that said um we did a study with populace uh went through County  procurement um it came back and it showed a lot of different things and we asked them for three  different scenarios 30 million 60 million 120 million 200 million different various options we  willle that down to come down to this 30 million project uh it can I get the presentation up on the front Mr chairman real quick while he's bringing it up Ray do you when if if and  when this project goes through with the base Center do you ex do you expect for Sun Belt  to extend even further with us is there yeah are you in talks with them now for it lots of years man a few words up yeah it's the other one my apology no that's okay I'm not going to let the cat completely out of the B and that's okay but but I I am  I am comfortable in telling you that we have a verbal commitment and we are currently in  negotiations for a longterm contract that we will be bringing forward yes sir it's it's got  It's got it written all over it obviously I mean I I can see this just looks like we take action there it is going go fullen yeah thank you thank you ma'am um so plan for the future for the base Center um we've got  all kinds of dreams and and this is the one that we're landing on um and I'll start with  the renovation assumptions uh that how we can program so this uh part of the project it's  going to increase the capacity of the building which helps us uh get more concerts in better  Talent um taking our 18 end stage from 6,800 seats to 8600 seats that's about 2,000 seats  we're still short of what the warf is but if you have an average ticket price of 100 bucks  now with a with a major concert 2,000 ticks 2,000 tickets Times $100 that's a it's a big difference  for an artist to choose to play Pensacola versus somewhere else and as we get through some of the  cost you'll see um on the right hand side the Southside seating Bowl in stage pocket  a cost of 389,000 that's what that takes to make that happen so we're looking at very economical  ways to increase the usage of the facility without having to go out and build a brand  new one um we're also looking at the rigging capacity uh that's a big difference uh maker  for shows and why they choose to play certain uh Arenas or not uh we're Limited at 125,000  some of the major shows are at 135 to 150,000 uh those costs are not factored into this because  it is such a high cost and we see and it's we don't have a proven return it's not going to  guarantee shows come in so we looked at increasing some of the food and beverage Services the premium  Services the experiences for the existing events that we can do where we can maximize  that Revenue to cover the expense and reduce that that operational piece of it um so the  primary focus of this um renovation is to focus on premium seating assumptions um to where we  can add different layers of uh an experience you have some attendees that want to come in and and  buy the cheap seat um and you have some that want they'll spend whatever they want to get  whatever they want so we currently don't have that option to give them we only have one so this will  give us this multi layer so instead of someone deciding whether to spend $100 versus 10 now we  can offer 25 40 60 different levels in between and different levels of experience um this will  also increase our food and beverage points of sale uh we look at every point of sale um Can amount to  anywhere from 12 $1,300 to $2,300 per point of sale what that is is speed of service we want  people to come in and Shop we don't want to them to come in an order and you'll see some of those  examples of what we show up uh in the presentation where it goes away from the Belly Up concession  stand where you come up you order they go back get their food rather you come in pick up up your item  you go scan it yourself you pay for it yourself you walk out again speed of service talking about  costs um we looked at um what kind of budget would be possible um whether you and you'll see here a  43 million total expense um we were targeting 40 um and that is 30 million um with with the county  through the bonding process and then as you'll see I get to the last slide ASM is willing to come  and restructure the management agreement to more incentivize us to produce the revenue  in exchange for providing some Capital to do so so that's how we're trying to get to that  40 million Mark as you see of all of these items over here one item the loading dock Edition is at  2.2 million that is going to help us get shows in and out example ciray has 19 trucks if we want to  do their show to unload their trucks and do their show they need an extra day or two just to do it  they would rather spend that day or two somewhere else in another city selling tickets rather than  not selling tickets and unloading trucks um that can be adjusted and we can have some fluctuation  points to get back down to that that 40 40 number some of the enhancements uh I want to show you  some experiences here this helps us with our naming rights um what you see on the the screen  I'll show you a real life example of another Stadium um these are actually LED D bars that  would be mounted to the outside of the building and you'll see where we can actually show full  video on it full color you can light it up theme it similar to what's happened with the bridge uh  going across the bay um and it can really be a highlight Point um and an advertisement piece  we also looked at restructuring the entrance you know as everybody comes in you got the main flag  poles it's kind of broken up it's really you kind of walk up and you're like where do I go what  section I am I supposed to go up this ramp I'm supposed to go in this door so we would uh sign  put signs up and Q lines to help guide and get people where they need to go um you can see the  estimated cost at 12.65 million um the anticipated Revenue generation is anywhere be between uh 400  to 600,000 this is only showing the front side of the building the LED pieces would actually go  around the entire perimeter of the building so you would see it from the water as you're coming into  Pensacola as well as on the backside in between the gates uh the entrance Gates there will be some  Led components there as well this is a real life example of a uh I believe it's a soccer stadium  um where you'll see the LED bars that kind of go around you can put them in motion you  can actually show full video up close you won't see it but from a distance you can actually see it the Westside Club entrance spaces is the the premium that we're looking to to do um if you've  been in in the building uh you've been in room a we used to host TDC meetings there before uh we're  talking about turning that into a bunker Club that's going to be your high-end um uh access  where they pay a license to get in there we'd work with the hockey team to structure their  opportunity this is where that added Revenue comes into play um but they would have those  front section uh of seating in the blue area and uh the red section would actually be accessible  from the second floor meeting room spaces those will be completely redesigned to create a LGE  Club area and as you come in the front main entrance there's a separate staircase that  gets you up to that second level again you look at the estimated cost here at 16.3 million and  then an average uh Revenue assumption uh these are very aggressive uh but we feel they're realizable  through the modeling that we've done through other buildings uh that we've done some of these types  of Renovations in and I'll touch on those later in the in the presentation now let me ask you this  you just talked about 12 million and 16 million none of that is  in the 30 million all of all of that is in the 43 million the total cost here okay so I'm I'm trying to understand first of all you don't count the 10 million  we've already given you corre correct in the 43 that you need correct so you're 13  million sure correct and from from TDC ask and the additional to get to that point to closer  to that 40 million to come down from the 43 is where ASM would come in to negotiate with the  county a restructure of our deal to properly incentivize ASM to provide that capital for  uh this project well but I'm trying to understand you need 13 million and just showed two projects  that were 30 million between the two of them yes sir those are within this total  project I'm just the 43 but not within the 30 the 43 includes the 30 the 30 is  part of the 43 so the two I understand that but what I'm saying is they've got to raise  somehow 13 million yes but now I've seen two projects on that board that total 30 million in other words I'm trying to get him to match 13 million against 13 million rather than so  the the total scope of the project is 43 million of these projects those two that I just listed  there's going to be some more I'm just breaking down the components of all of that 43 million of  how that goes into it and the ask is going to be 30 million from the county for TDC and then ASM  would come in with 10 and we're working to that 43 to get back down to that budget number of 40  we were we were tasked with trying to budget a number of 43 we asked populace to put everything  in and then we would take away what we had to take away to meet the budget and for example that  2.2 million in the loading docks that could be something that's taken off the table and but  we're you different cost estimations and how it changes through the project that's where  we would find that that stop Gap I think Greg will match that he says he will Mr  chairman real quick and yes M I don't mean to interrupt your presentation because it's good  and it's going well um I don't see anything here for the Acoustics or sound did did you  was there any plans for that so that is that's just a personal favorite of mine  cuz understood this the sound um system itself um it's only the second system in the existence  of the 40-year building um that is being done out of that 10 million so that will be there  will be a new PA system now the Acoustics you get into the redo the Acoustics in that  building you could be anywhere from three to6 $8 million cuz right now currently it doesn't  have any baffles in the ceilings it just has the acoustic panels on the sides to just to replace  those is 3 million so then if you want to come in and add the baffles on the ceiling because of the  metal roof then you're getting into that higher expense and what we were trying to do was focus  on things that we could do to get to that Revenue neutral and generate revenue and I I believe that  that the sound system that we're talking about is going to be able to better engineer and balance  for the room itself that that's definitely been a hot button and lighting is is as well we're still  on the original lighting system with the metal highlights uh one of the differences like with the  the rigging we're if we take those down and put up the new LEDs we're going to gain almost 10,000  lbs of rigging capacity so there's there's a lot of things that are going to come into play to try  to strategically smartly put this renovation together not only will you have the Savings in  the swap from the metal haights to the LEDs with the reduction and demand but it puts less Demand  on your refrigeration system in the building absolutely we did that in our warehouse uh we  refrigerated warehouse and we swapped those out and had the scheduled Roi and we did it in half  the time yes sir and the Energy savings are going from the LEDs and the number of fixtures and the  lighting system that we're um putting out to bid to come back it actually covers the life  cycle of the the fixtures itself so we're not having to go out and buy parts and if a light  goes down it's covered they come in and replace it for the life expectancy of that life that's great so so we see what you're going to spend the 43 million that's really only 30 million that's  really only 40 million which is your gold so all you're asking us to do is stick 30 million in with  the financing of the other facility so I mean you know this all depends on a lot of salesmanship so what I'm thinking is it's almost 5:00 and I wouldn't want to sink a ship keep on talking about it I hear you pun in unless it was in Pensacola  Bay right any are you proposing I said you ready for a motion if you're proposing one sir uh I really want to be cognizant of the competition for this money is the promotion the other activities that that we  Undertake and um you know basically the fifth set we've never had the benefit of the fifth  set so that portion of it I don't see that the hotel or the rvers or anybody else could be too  emotional about because we've really never had it available to us but I would in the interest  of giving him time to read that 115 page report is I would move that we preliminarily approve  and recommend this $90 million to be paid in the fashion as outl by Mr Hall over the  period of time hopefully he will be wrong about the interest rate and then we can borrow more money well we have a motion on the floor sorry about that Mr chairman could you  restate the motion let's make sure the motion is that we support the proposed  $90 million in bonding 60 million to go to the new facility 30 million to  go to the Baye Center um and to be repaid in the fashion as as outlined by Mr Hall which is 2 million to come from the first two pennies and 4 million or 2/3 of it from the fifth Cent was that how you proposed it that is the proposal um now again when we do the bond it may be 1,979 or it may be 1.9 million  it may be 4,100 I mean it could be but ultimately you know that's wherever we end up is where  but it will should be very close to those numbers that's the numbers he set for what  he's saying is got have some flexibility in the Stephan let me ask I do not control the  bond market so and let me ask a question here well before you do we have a motion is there a second I'll second it all right so we do have a motion and we have a second  now discussion Ronnie and that's what the question was and that it was the  same question had early in the day was why can't we separate these to talk about it I  mean where're I guess I and I don't know that that that's been answered to me and  if you're telling me because we're trying to bond them together is it somebody trying to say okay any other comments questions yes we absolutely want to bond these together you  you will have additional Bond cost it' be extra cost to the T tdt if you did two separate bondings  so it would be one Bond one one yeah but but the notes got to be paid for with something that's  going to be in a deficit for sure we know that I mean we know that for sure what do you mean well  I mean I think Community Center is going to be maybe we shouldn't say we know that for sure but  but it feels like it could be something that's paid out goad but the operation is of concern  what is the deficit of the operation going to be that's one thing if you believe what Mr Hall  tells us every time we meet and I do uh thank you paying the debt ain't going to be a problem I mean  we have we have the ability based on history to pay the debt the question that I asked  earlier was if the operation was having trouble meeting their obligations where would that money  come from and I kind of got a half withd that that would be right back here so so so I believe um in  the study uh that Mr rhs is going to send to the council I think it does outline some of those OP  anticipated or expected operational costs so uh Council should receive that and you should be  able to see that information in there um I can assure you we will be working on a plan to to  cover that um hopefully without any additional tdt that that's ultimately the plan um not sure if Mr  caps is still there he is he was actually I would like for him to finish telling the council about  the updated management agreement so with ASM kicking in that additional Capital to make the  project work um he uh had some great information I think the council would love to hear on that  agreement thank you listen that company is fixing me paying for that that community  Center out there and I like it trust me I I like I like this well and ASM can help run  that facility we we do have that in our division and um but it it it does work with a partner like  is scambi County Parks and Rec um we do run some uh Recreation facilities across the country so I'm  going to skip ahead all the way down to the slide that I believe um Stefan would like me to address  and as the new operating model uh that we would propose and negotiate with the county um there's  a a lot of different variables and factors of how much Capital does the county really  want or need um we can adjust and fluctuate the the contribution and then the terms of How It's  repaid and and so forth so I do want to touch on uh announcement that was made this week um  where ASM Global um uh was acquired by Legends and this is some quick information that was in  your backup um and at the end of the day it it basically is a very complimentary uh Service uh  to ASM Global venue Management Services it's just going to make ASM Global better and bigger and be  able to provide things with bringing scale so for example with all the purchasing of food products  through all the companies we can reduce those costs locally here we get to feel that um booking  Services uh new Innovations we we're going to have access to all of that um ASM Global though local  here each building we're focusing on making sure our clients are are first scambi County  our residents our tourists that are coming in the guests that are coming into the building so  it's business as usual um so there's no real real change in that that Dynamic um I want to touch on  some other projects that we've done we partnered with I mentioned that I would touch you know get  into but ASM has has been part of over7 billion do of development 35 facilities in the last 10 years  partnering with with a lot of the major Partners in construction architecture um service providers  and and you name it these are just some examples of those projects uh that we have done um that  we have been involved with as far as actually managing the construction piece of it so that's  something that ASM can also do with this facility Renovations and so forth now the county facilities  has a division that can handle that and we're we're more than willing to help and contribute  in however way we're asked so this is the slide that uh we want to get to um and the what you see  here is is an example of uh a proforma of how it is currently running at a 1.3 million operating  deficit uh which is subsidized by the tdt dollars and the new model which is more of a p&l type of  uh uh management agreement rather than a fixed fee and then incentive fee which we're currently  under that structure um you see where we're going from 1.3 to a positive um so again that  puts more of the incentive on ASM to program to put the facilities together to increase the  premium options to to get the opportunity and realize what we're in investing in with these  Renovations so ultimately ASM comes in to make a capital contribution um to help uh the county  burden uh turns the management contract more to a performance-based uh with Revenue growth that  ensures the county benefits from investment of the Arena renovation and that bottom line  you receive the relief from the subsidy so that's why I think this slide is very important with how  that conversation goes with the other facility so maybe where there's some savings here there's some  help getting that facility off the ground CU it it's going to take some time before it gets the  revenue neutral um but I believe the teams that are here and the the investment and the partners  involved can make that happen um we're just trying ASM is trying to provide another means  uh to help the county and move this Vision forward because if if we do do nothing um we will get left behind and any questions for that does anybody have any questions for Michael I do yes sir  Michael do you guys have any sort of study that shows spending this money will how it  will generate this revenue or and then also do you have any sort of study that shows the  number of people that attend base Center events actually stay at hotels to see what the return is  on tdt we we do not currently uh the last study that we did on Hotel occupancy was in 2019 that  was in partnership with visit Pensacola we again because of cost visit actually covered that um to  help tell that story and find out that answer um the study for populace did come back with some of  that information but then what we did with ASM we went and looked at what happens actually in other  other buildings and similar markets to see okay if we put a walk Ando concession stand in this  is how much more Revenue it's going to generate if we put a bunker Club in this is the range of  sponsorship dollars that you can get out of this type of Market you know it's not New Orleans super  doome where you're going to get you know 10 of millions of dollars in naming rights but  we can scale that and that's what we did we ran a complete performa we walked through it with Stefan  to show that um that's not part of the study that was what you know ASM did internally that was the  our our basically our proprietary um modeling that we went through but we we'll be happy to discuss  and and share and have any kind of conversation you like with that thank you good ey oh go ahead  my question was from earlier it was about the design will you speak into your microphone please  I can't hear you thank you it was about it's on I just couldn't hear you oh okay it was about  the design here I don't see the interstate ramps coming out did you all have plans to tear that  down or so what you're seeing in that picture is the front of the building so the interstate ramp  actually comes from behind but the interstate ramps that go over top of the parking lot those  would still remain um we did look at some studies before some of the renovation PL plans and options  that we got in populace did take that ramp out but that was getting into the 60120 $200 million  range um some of those plans also talked about removing the ramps and putting in an enclosed  um Atrium where you had escalators that to took you up um CU everybody knows those ramps are not  not fun anybody that's been to a high school graduation it's some of the some of the best  times of the year um it's it to try to get to to try to get those ramps out it the cost was just  too far through the roof last question yes ma'am Mr chair yes sir promise you last question what  about parking you got additional seats you need additional parking have you guys thought through  the process because when I looked at it today I thought man they're going to need some new  parking and this the first time I've thought about it yeah so you know we used to have the  tech park that's that's been there that that was that was about a th000 we we we did Park a th000  spaces cars in there right um I was actually at the building when we still had that and we  we used it quite frequently um we currently have 1,038 spaces on property um so for a 10,000 seat  Arena that's kind of in the pocket we're seeing a lot more ride share Services of people coming  to the events uh I'll give you an example of a cheerleading competition that we do with us  finals and then with Emerald Nationals um at any given time they probably have about 3,000 people  in the building um including the participants um Spectators so for SE seating wise we cut it in  half and it works we only open up the front side of the building which is roughly half of that a  th000 the back lot is 465 so we're a little over U 500 for for that front section with the front lot  and both trolley Lots um it does get congested we probably could add maybe another 100 150 cars but  when we operationally model and helping reduce the cost for the the customers coming in the promoters  we just don't open up the back lot I can't believe the city hasn't open up for par back there in that  Tech I mean that could be Tech right there you put that meter thing right there I think there's about  60 to 80 spaces on the street over there that's about it maybe there's an opportunity to partner  with um Miss Hess with her parking lot across the street since it's not operating right now until  it's operating I agree 100% um I'm sure she'd enjoy the revenue yeah yes let me ask on this Pro  fora you've got Premier seating 700,000 you got sponsorship that is 100,000 so you got really you  make up the whole deficit just on those two things um and then one of while I'm asking the question  I I want you to tell me that those two numbers are going to repeat every year a million five  and that tell me about the rent I don't understand the minus 100 and the minus 2000 so kind of tell  me that and then go backwards to the 1.5 million okay so um rent um we basically when we work with  promoters we rebate back to them um and to try to get their business what you're looking at  is going from 200 45 events to 270 events so that's where that difference is with the rent  so we extrapolated that out yeah but but I don't understand why it's a minus because we rebate the  so if we're going to charge a promoter um a flat all-in fee for $30,000 and we Pro put benchmarks  in there if they guarantee x amount of people that come into the building we're going to make money  on the food and beverage and the parking and the facility fees for the ticketing and all that stuff  so as we're growing that Revenue Gap we give them a break in their rent and reduce it so over the  the whole year through those events it's just to incentivize them to get more people into the  building so you're showing it as a negative Revenue because it's a discount off of the  correct off the revenue yes it's not necessarily an expense it's a expense line okay but we we  account for every dollar Which Way whichever way it goes gotta and so from the sponsorship  the premium seating and the sponsorship side it is very aggressive as I mentioned before  um let me back up it's aggressive cuz we did some modeling in some other buildings where  they were receiving more and looking at our Market what we've seen that's happened in the  past what we've talked with with Greg with the ice Flyers what we've seen that's happened with  the Wahoos and and buildings like this um we're trying to get to that more realizable number can  I guarantee that's going to happen every year I can't I can't guarantee that we're going to  have X amount of concerts every year when we do our budgeting we look at what's touring what's  best case and then we adjust from there but but it is reoccurring in your mind's eye yes sir all  these numbers are what we're looking at is on an annual basis year on year on so if the team had  a better record you could get more sponsorship I'll I'll let Mr Harris answer that one I was  told we'd have a championship we were promised same in the back he he just said we'd get one  all right any other comments to the motion we do have the motion in a second on the floor I would  like to make a comment I think I prefer to get the full study be able to look over that before  we voted on anything um and then just be able to see the numbers on on what's coming before we vote well we have a motion in a second if those who who made the motion in the second want to move  forward we'll call for the vote if you prefer to hold until we have um more information we can pull  ask you if you'd like to pull the motion resend I I just think at 5:30ish that we should move  forward if moving forward means doing nothing I'm okay with that as long as we're moving forward yes  I just I you know if if we want to have a special meeting and and consider things I mean I certain  I'm not being critical but I wouldn't put the ship in the bonds for $90 million so I mean I would be  interested in a substitute motion that says that we set a date for a special meeting and that we're  going to take up both of these matters if it takes all day you know okay we can do that I mean I'm  okay with that I'm I'm noty trying to deny anybody the right I'm not trying to deny anybody the right  to read the 152 page report I just think that we shouldn't try to cram it into two hours agree so  will you resend your original motion no I ain't going to send it I'll I'll accept the substitute  motion would anybody like to make a substitute motion sure I'll make a substitute motion to  to meet again at a later dime for special meeting just um but after after seeing that study both for  both both matters for both matters hold on I don't think there's a study I don't think Michael caps  has a study and he he was pretty clear about that and it I think it's generated generated  no no no I'm talking about both matters on the agenda okay I see what you're saying okay okay  I just make sure because I don't all right so we have a motion is there a a substitute motion do  you accept that substitute motion it's not up to me I think I don't not a parliamentarian so  I have to defer to you as a lawyer all I'm saying is you know let's let him restate  the motion I'd like to make the substitute motion for us to have a separate special  meeting to go over for both of those U the ask for Pensacola Baye Center and the sports facility and the S Mr chairman sorry and I hate to interrupt again but there and  I'm I'm not trying to split hairs here but but when you make the motion the motion is Michael  caps doesn't have a study am I correct I think what you said was it was yeah but I  think there's only one study it's one study but we're going to take both items up at the  meeting right and that's all I'm saying but but Matia said I I mean he wants both  studies and there's not but one that's all the study the fair enough okay that's your that's  your substitute motion yes all right I don't know how par how Parliament works I don't do  we have a do we need a second to this motion did somebody second The Substitute motion no  is there a second to the substitute I second a substitute okay thank you we have a second  to the substitute any way to move forward is there any further discussion on the motion uh seeing none please call the role James Reeves yes Shirley cronley yes David Bear yes Ronald Rivera yes matish Patel yes ten Bron so we didn't as part of the motion but I will send I'll have Daniel send out an email  to everyone to get a date a date certain and certainly asked that that post don't let them  confirm that everybody has the opportunity to have that 155 page report you make it sound  like it's going to be homework Ray said he was G to send it to us as soon as the meeting was over  or Michael excuse me was going to send it to us as soon as the meeting was over thank you could  I make one request if we're going to do this yes absolutely is that we get some specific questions  because understand I'm a Sports Marketing guy with no college degree I've never built a damn  building in my life I've never financed a building in my life and so there were some questions there  that quite frankly the consultant maybe we want to bring the consultant that put this down this  has built you know has recommended these all over the country maybe they need to be here  so if we could get some guidelines and you know because if the county going to tells us we have  to give it away six days a week and then we have to go make money on it I can't answer  that question until we know some management I mean Michael knows how to manage his building  he's a very good professional that's why he's so successful but if we could get kind of a list of  what it is specifically we'd like to address at least most of them it would be very helpful for  us to be a lot more productive and trying to get get to where we want to go I would suggest  bringing every resource that you have available to answer any of the questions I age that may come up  after the list comes to you right okay well of course but but the theory is you read the report  and then you get the questions so to speak to me yes the most beautiful thing about this is if you  could get the county to go to the local banks and Loan this $90 million it'd be the cheapest way out  for the taxpayers rather than spend all that money in New York yeah with the bond salesman so and Ray  real and my point to you is I get you that's way over here over my level of expertise my job is to  tell you we need this building and to tell you I can put business in it and Michael can run it you  you are of all the people whove spoken tonight you're the most emotional enthusiastic right  person that and you answered all the questions I don't know that there's a ton left I mean that's  why I didn't say a whole bunch I mean you I mean I peppered you with questions and you answered  each one of them so I mean you can bring the guy that's going to build the building and maybe that  makes everybody else feel more comfortable for sure but we want this done right our Legacy is  to do this right absolutely and that's the thing I think it's everybody's Legacy up there yeah I  think we talked about our you the integrity and we want this done correctly and but we we we want to  we want to go thank you but thanks R but one to his one point one thing that would be helpful is  to have a a lot of the major people that pay in meaning the motel hotel association to have them  on board because that's the competition for this money quite honestly right except for the fifth C  in my and and I H happy to you know we've reached with them for since 2009 because as those were  the hotel years that started the initiative for them us to do this for them be happy to  bring them and put them in whatever color shirt you want right all right well in light of time  uh we need to move on the agenda uh thank you for that great discussion obviously we  needed to take the time it's a 90 million ask so thank you everyone uh next item on the agenda is  Marine resource department request Mr T good afternoon everybody have a special meeting to  consider this not the mar no it was just those other two items the it was both matters on the agenda I I don't know if that was I understood the same thing  as Jim so you want to table the Marine resource request as well yes I thought we were just talking about the two items that we've just been disc  talk about both of the items on the agenda it's going to take a long time too I was just agreeing to his substitution uh motion  so I made that motion that he what exactly way he said it the two the  two agenda items meaning the USS United States and the as yeah the facility Well what are the wishes of the board the council hear the Marine resource department proposal  I know we're going to lose one at least one of our members so we lose well then  we lose Quorum and then we lose well if we lose two members we lose Quorum I I'm  up I'm up for anything I'll work all night long or we'll we'll table this whatever you  guys want to do I'm I'm up and I have a lot less questions as far as I'm concerned we've already T not a loss right now um well Robert why don't you just give us an update  please okay thank you U Mr do have a few people who are here in the audience who  have signed up to to speak to the item as well and and and to their to their uh  uh needs of their times I would defer my presentation allow you to hear from them  and if I need to come back at another time I would you know I would concede to their their  schedules okay thank you thank you sir thank you for your generosity to do that uh Eileen beard um well because yes yes please introduce yourself and remember we have three minutes each  thank you my name is Alene beard I'm currently a member of the scambi County Marine advisory  committee uh I have been working since 1985 for the building of artificial wreaths and Bo  ramps the water environment to be taken care of we are a water community and artificial  reefs is a very very important point for us economically ecology everything and I'm just  hoping that y'all will support the SS United States that would the first really big one we  had of course is the ariscan the ariscan was uh now in the top 10 dive sites in the world  if we can get a second hit and of course the SSU United States would be the second hit it would  be a great economic Boon as well as an ecology Boon fishermen divers they will come here it was  proven with the ariscan that for every dollar that the county put in there was a return of $150 there is a study been done in regards to having second World Class Type Dives  which the SS United States would be it would double so the economics speaks for itself but  the public relations is another side of it when the ariskin went down the next day I  got a call from David Shepard with CNN and he says eileene you won't believe this I was so  surprised I was kind of uhoh what's going on but he says alen the sinking of the ariscan  was the number one news story around the world it blew off monarchs and governors  and presidents blew off the war blew off all the sports events everything Bill HTH with un  University of West Florida did a study in regards to the public relations what happened with the ariscan with the worldwide radio TV newspapers magazines all types of Publications if the county  had had to pay for that public relations one day it would have cost the county $6.2 million it  really made Pensacola noticed and to have a second hit would be phenomenal and I'm hoping that y'all  will support this our counties to the east of us their tourist development councils have been very  helpful to them and we wish that and hope that you will support us on this yes ma'am it's just  be a great economic boom yes ma'am well thank you appreciate it and thank and by the way thank you  for your personal investment into this project as well you put your money where your mouth is and  thank you for that well thank you does not go un and by the way you probably don't remember but you  certified me about 40 years ago you certified me you and Jean thank you all right next uh speaker  is Andrew Ross and I I don't want to be rude I am going to have to limit you to everybody to three  minutes so when I no I'm going to make it quick I know you guys all been here for a while and we  want to kind of get to the meat of some of this stuff here um yeah I'm Captain Andy Ross with na  we Dive Charters I've been running Charters here in Pensacola for for 12 years now um and I'm all  for the SS United States it'd be a huge Boom for to put us back on the map for uh dive destination  uh I've seen a lot I pretty much I think i' bring in maybe probably a thousand divers a year just in  my small business and that equals probably 3 or 4 thousand people because they bring their families  the families are fishing and they're on the beach and they're spending money and they're doing all  that stuff while the husband is diving it happens all the time so we get more than just that many  people on the boat um but I've seen a big draw for that USS of risking it's been amazing how  much how much of our business the die business is focused on a large ship and there's been a  lot of talk about the um the United States the SS United States and I think it would just be  an amazing wreck um u in the last couple years I've seen a lot of our customers dive the arisky  but they tend to be staying over in okoa County because they've got I think they've sunk like 42  wrecks in the last five or six years they done an amazing job over there so there are already  drawing this G large group of people that normally die with me they're they're drawing them over to  Okaloosa County so if we get that ship here it would would be an amazing uh income for this area  out here uh for us but if we don't get it it's going to go right to Okala County and I'm afraid  that's going to draw a lot of what we have already got going moment momentum wise to another County  that's already got a lot going on we really need to have this in Pensacola um I'm going to leave it  real short and say we need to have this thing it's uh it's just a no-brainer that you know you spend  money on your on your gas and your car to keep the car running I think tourist development money  comes in from tourist I think we're a tourist town now whereas maybe 10 years ago it didn't feel like  we were too much but this ship will bring in tourist money so we can afford to pay for a  lot of other stuff too great appreciate it thank you so much uh next next speaker is Brady hail welcome good afternoon Council Brady Hill um ocean Strike Team founder uh I'm got to Li at  my comments I'll wait for the special meeting for the most of it I just do want to encourage  you to pay attention to the New Economic study that's come out uh Dr Bill Huth I believe he's  going to speak on it here in a few minutes uh talking about the new economic impact and a  lot better numbers than we had before um and just from a marketing tourism perspective we  will never get better there will never be a ship better in the entire world than this  recck right here um they're just there's not any that's this big that has this history um  it's ours it's ours to lose and it's going to hurt if we don't get it thank you great thank you uh Carrie Freeland or Jessica you can fight it over fight it out who goes first how we doing uh  thank you uh Mr chairman and thank you council members um my name's Carrie Freeland I'm on 30  six uh year uh president of dive Pros a 36 year Florida Corporation I'm also the chairman of the  esami County Marine advisory committee uh the committee as a whole is wholly behind  the acquisition of the SS United States I'm representing the diving community and we are  very excited about this project everybody I speak to in the fishing Community is also very excited  about this project I've had conversations with uh Mr rinky who thinks it's a great idea as long as  the reef is accessible by most divers I think this is a conversation that we've had and and  that's the intent the in free folks see value in it Mr Burns of the sri's value spoke with  representative Robert uh excuse me Alex andr he explicitly stated that we can say he is in  support of the project and he will be able to come up with some additional funding close to a million  dollar as of our last conversation we've received endorsements from Patty that's the professional  association of of diving instructors the world's largest diver training agency we've also received  endorsements from Nai Nai National Association of underwater instructors the second largest training  agency uh we're experiencing a lot of interest in the SS United States news travels fast in my  industry I've done three interviews regarding the reefing of the SS United States one of them in the  Delaware currents magazine we're already getting press on this uh when this opportunity presented  itself I was on my way to the Florida Keys with a group of divers uh we traveled there was about  22 of us and you'll hear a little bit more about that while I was doing some uh research on uh the  uh Financial gains of having these artificial reefs I did find out specifically that they uh  wanted to sink some wrecks in the Flor to keys to draw people off of The Fragile coral reefs  one kick can kill 50 100 years worth of growth so they sunk the Spiegel Grove in um kargo and  the Vandenburg in Key West with the idea of taking some of the pressure off the natural  reefs they actually increased numbers in Key West kargu has beautiful very shallow reefs  they did draw people off of the reefs and onto the wreck but in Key West they actually  increased the numbers totally by adding this large wreck down there um since returning we've  set up a couple of fundraising apparatus we've raised $2,600 in small personal donations I am  also holding checks for $133,300 for a total of about $116,000 in stakeholder involvement  in this project we're asking for the council's assistance to invest in our community Aquatics  our communities aquatic attractions for divers and fishermen this is an investment that will require  no maintenance once she's put out there and uh I thank you very much for your time thank you thank you uh Jessica Freeland please introduce yourself and limit your comments to three minutes please thank  you hi there I'm Jessica Freeland and today I'm here to speak with you on behalf of well I guess  in the way I have for the last eight years I have been and am the shair at Third Coast Divers we're  the largest and most active Dive Club in our area on the Northern Gulf Coast and perhaps all  of Florida we have uh locals and visitors alike we dive um we dive have dive events almost every  weekend to date Third Coast Divers has about 4,000 members with 30% being non- Florida residents 177%  being over two hours away I know these divers because I planned the majority of the Dives  um I dive with them I organize meetings with industry experts plus I organize and lead out of  town dive trips the trip that Carrie was talking about was to the keys I organized that one um we  go about every year as a group 49% was spent on lodging of our $35,000 we spent $35,000 as  a group 49 was spent on lodging um we listen to the radio local radio and 23% of our trip  spending was on food Beverages and entertainment 22% was spent on Charters um as a total we or as  an average we spent 1590 per diver for $35,000 as a club our out of town divers once they dive  here they come back right because I see them over and over again and many times they come back and  they wind up buying homes here they buy primary homes they buy secondary homes and I know because  I sell them homes I'm a realtor also um as a whole the diving tourists are better educated  have higher household incomes than most and typically leave our environment a better place  than when they came these are tourists that we want thank you for your time thank you so much  so that was our last speaker public speaker on this item uh we have obviously lost Quorum and  I I don't know what happened with the motion and tabling this discussion to the next meeting but  um Robert we'll be back in touch with you and schedule when we schedule this meeting  this next meeting it'll be part of that thank youall very much we appreciate yeah thank you  for your patience and being here today thank you so we do have one last uh last item that  we added to the agenda is pensacon Andy thank you for your patience sorry we lost um I'm Andy with  pensacon and I don't think we can do this without a quorum correct correct correct okay I am happy  to come back if you can add me to the meeting with every everybody else sorry guys that's all right  thank you know what that is and um I do have a question if I may yes maam uh as we roll into  pensacon 2025 I am hearing about a hotel group and I am unfamiliar with that is this something  that you guys could point me in the direction of a hotel oh a group of Hotel your that work together  uh yes there used to be an organization uh that was sort of loosely associated but I I'll get in  touch with you about thank you thanks I TI got one though there is one there's AA yeah sorry there is  a like an AOA group of Hotel years that are local I'd love to speak with you about that afterwards  if you don't mind thank you thank you come on down last item on the agenda update on the DMO  designations correct I wasn't going to let y'all leave until until we discuss that just whatever  you would like to know but but essentially as far as those um the DMO designations are concerned so  our count legal County legal department uh have drafted three resolutions for Ace Pensacola  Sports Association and visit Pensacola um each of each of those respective uh uh uh TD Partners  uh pulled together their metrics um and how they reach and how they pull tourists into es scambi  County to spend those uh tourism dollars I thought everybody did a great job with that um that is  additional backup for that item I anticipate that being on the board's agenda for the September  5th meeting for consideration and potential approval any questions comments that's going through well we'll know after 95 it's moving forward moving forward moving forward to the  meeting that's the question okay it's going to be on their agenda  correct and Stephan maybe you you don't you can't answer this but I'll ask it anyway do you know if  let's say another organization comes and says we also think we are a DMO is is who how how does is  there stipulations is there like a list of hey you have to have you have to do this this and this to  consider yourself there are particular things that have to happen you have to advertise tourism not  just for your event you're advertising for lots of different things uh you know throughout the the  entire year not just a two we period not a month period you know that sort of thing so that's one  of the big things you are actively yearround advertising a scambia county in some form or  fashion uh to to be considered a tourist bureau so for instance uh the general tourism for the area  visit Pensacola handles that uh for Arts culture and entertainment so those are very event specific  um uh various U other organ ganizations that they partner with there's tourism and advertisement  going on with that um Ace has contracted vendors that are always doing Outreach supporting those  events that they do then you've got your sports tourism so those are very different uh tourism  aspects that each of each of those three entities are pulling those tourists in through through that  and and through the the professional things that each of those entities perform for us to bring  those tour tourists in and uh having been here for a while I remember when we used to generate about  4 and a half to 5 million for a very very long time for us to be hitting 22 and $23 million it's  pretty clear we're doing something right right and do you know is the clerk putting like that  list together or who's going to monitor or police that like if somebody else comes and says we also  want to designate ourselves as a DMO so that will not happen without them coming here first and it  would require my board's blessing of it uh so there are certain findings and determinations  so again to the point that I said earlier in the uh the metrics and data points that each of those  three organizations provided they all do very different things uh in that tourism it's year  round I'm not aware of anybody else doing that yeah the designation of a destination marketing  organization is the County's Authority uh but because of our policies and procedures they will  come to us the TD first uh and request that and then we will either make a recommendation thumbs  up or thumbs down uh but it'll ultimately then go to the County Commission and they can vote  whether we voted thumbs down they could still vote thumbs up if they believe because that's  their Authority correct and there is statutory reference uh what what a tourist tourist bureau  actually does so that is basically that's one of our guides in these determinations all right  thank you yes sir all right any closing remarks real quick uh I'd like to thank County staff  uh for always doing such a great job uh it it's certainly not their responsibility to get beat up  up here all the time so they do a good job thank you Stephan thank you guys thank you Daniel Tish  I know Ray's gone and um and Michael and I just want to say I know those guys do a great job I  know they've done a lot of work behind this I'm actually on Pensacola Sports board so I've seen  all the work that Ray does behind this I just want to make make sure that we have all our ducks in a  row and um yeah I appreciate all the hard work they do and I'm all for it I just want to make  sure that you know everybody in the community understands what this is going to require and  what risk we're we're taking together yeah thank you okay just two things when when is the next  meeting what date is the next meeting well our regularly scheduled meeting is the third Tuesday  of October but we're going to schedule a special meeting between now and then then to to have these  conversations oh okay well I'll just okay well I don't have a dat we don't have a date yet because  we just all right well I'll just we just made the motion to schedule it well I'll just say this  right quick before everybody leaves I wanted to announce um join us for a celebration of history  at the Pensacola Lighthouse I know the Pensacola Lighthouse is an attraction and it's out near  the military base it's on Saturday September 21st and basically what it is it's a um the developing  exhibit called heart's hammock in archaeological Park and to take a tour with the dosant to learn  about the community during Reconstruction and about Pensacola's black Lighthouse Keepers so they  found the the base of a lighthouse and so they um I mean of a house so they rebuilt the house  and they got the money from Impact 100 and um his the division of historical resources and so they  rebuilt the entire thing and they learned more about some of their early Lighthouse Keepers and  interestingly enough it was um Charles and Aaron Windgate and of course the family was is still  here and also Richard Morris of Joe Morrison's son so when they first came to the United States they  were Lighthouse Keepers and these people actually lived in the lighthouse but of course Pensacola  didn't think that they had this beautiful history until they uncovered it and so now we're telling  it and I went out there the other day and I got a sneak peek in fascinating please tell your friends  and family or whoever so it's a full day where they're going to have everybody out there that  Saturday and everything will be open and the second thing is I just want to thank you all  because as you know I was recovering from some health issues and I finally got permission from  my doctor to go back out even though I was still out and while I was out I was messing up but now  that I have permission to be out and um I want to thank you all for being patient with me and  for checking on me to those who did and um just let you know I'm back here ready to roll that is  if I it will be here after November so here we go well welcome back I'm glad your health has  improved and you're back thank you and I want to thank everybody for their patience today sorry  I lost control of the meeting a little bit but we had a robust conversation but thank you to  County staff uh yes sir can I ask a question we're closing up the meeting sir I'm sorry  well this will just take a minute I mean um how does how does this worked because it seemed like  you had an agenda and then you didn't finish everything and I wondered if maybe the time  wasn't set up right and maybe we need to start it earlier I'm just trying to understand how these  agenda things they get on the agenda and some of these things are important to some people maybe  not as much to others but as a concerned citizen there's things that probably need to be addressed  and obviously there's not enough people here now but if we started at 3:00 and we knew we  were never going to have enough time wouldn't we want to start at 1:00 or or come up with another  special meeting for some of these things and if we got to wait in a month or so then some of this  stuff goes go by the wayside I'm just trying to understand how your process works it seemed a  little bit a little bit out of time today and it was kind of disappointing for several people here  and I'm sure that maybe others feel the same way I'm just trying to understand how you guys worth  this thank you well and you can have a seat I'll answer your question but okay no more comments um  the meetings is scheduled they generally do not last more than 2 hours uh we had no idea how long  this conversation and this discussion of these different items would last uh and so there's no  way to anticipate that uh we could have stayed here all night if we had a quorum and continued  the conversation but we had two members that had other engagements that they budgeted their  time around the anticipated toour meeting so it is what it is unfortunately we're going to schedule a  special meeting to bring these topics back back up and have a longer window of time make sure  that everyone schedules their their time to have plenty of time for that so I I do uh apologize for  losing the schedule uh control of the meeting to to be able to try to keep it under two hours but  it is what it is and I thank everybody for their patience and being here tonight meeting adjourned