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good and right and true. >> Please join me the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. line your way here. >> Uh Mary, has uh do we have a quorum and proper notice been given? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh Tom, do we have an
agenda update? >> Yes, sir. um like we did at the uh the LPA meeting, I would like to ask that u the uh consideration of the ear which um we
have listed as item 7.8. Uh I would like to move that up to 7.2 so that that is considered before any of the annexation future land use or design district items. And so um that is the
only update. >> Okay. So 7.8 before 7.2. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Next we'll have approval of minutes. Approval of the October 23rd, 2025 city commission meet meeting and
November 6, 2025 city commission meeting. So move. Can I get a second? You all right? >> Mhm. >> Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Okay, it's been moved and properly
second. Okay. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Lee, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> I. >> Commissioner As >> I. >> Mayor Hawkins. >> I. Okay. Next up, presentations.
uh by Mike Gleman. Mike, please. >> Uh good evening. Uh Mike Gleman, go New York. Uh as you are aware, uh our firm provides development assistance and support to the city. And as part of that work that we're doing uh on behalf of the city, we come once a month to give
you an update in addition to the updates, conversations with your uh staff. So, uh, you've heard me tell you that information packages have been going out since September, right after Labor Day. Uh, I want to remind you our focus is on firms with the track record
and the financial capability and the capacity and so on. Often results in a focus on larger firms, uh, who have larger pipelines of development work, longer horizons, and quite frankly more patient money. Uh, that's what it takes in economic development of this scale.
And also as a reminder, what we do is highly targeted. We don't do email blasts. Uh they're just not effective uh with the target audience that we're after. In the last update, I mentioned to you that at that point, we had sent out uh contacts or made contact with uh
approximately 30 firms. When I say contact, that means uh me and one of other one of our other senior development people reaching out personally on a phone call basis with people we know at the sea level of larger uh larger commercial real estate
firms. Uh and then following up with data and and information on the market and the opportunities within the market and I shared that package uh with you. Uh that list has now increased. We're a little over 40 firms. Uh we're still getting declines which is always part of
the process. About a third uh have said thanks very much but not interested. Uh we have done one uh physical tour of the site that was completed several weeks ago. Uh that was with a uh uh the
president of a large development organization that I was able to get to come to the market and spent two hours with him touring the market showing them uh not just the uh uh hospital sites as we call them sometimes but also the overall market and the feedback was very
similar. Uh he said it felt early uh to him uh but he understood the long-term uh potential. Interestingly enough, without any prompting from me, he focused on uh the Sharps mobile home park. Is that available for redevelopment? And I I you know, was
able to give him a little bit of background on it that the ownership had changed. And he also focused on the uh Grove Square Shopping Center uh across the street just a little to the north here. Uh in summary, he liked the potential of uh the market. Uh, one of
the areas that he particularly liked in addition to Sharps and the Grove Square was North Houston Street. If we go out of the building here and go up north Houston Street all the way along that street up to North Pendleton. Uh, and he could see the potential for uh, economic or redevelopment opportunity there. Uh,
he liked the traffic counts uh, on 441. We started down there sort of talked about the connectivity to uh uh 429 and some of the other areas and you could see all the economic activity going along 441. Uh so he's interested. Uh
where we left it is he's going to talk to his partners and he hopes to schedule a second visit sometime next year. I spoke to him again yesterday. uh he had requested some backup information, the copy of the master plan and some
additional market data specific requests that he had for some research for us to do uh which we did and uh sent him. So, uh with him, I'll just continue to follow up and as I said, I spoke to him just the other day and we'll probably speak to him again later this week. Uh
the overall feedback is again what I've said to you in previous updates. Uh there is nationally still a lot of market uncertainty out there. The capital for major uh commercial real estate projects has become very highly selective since interest rates and d
interest rates doubled and uh construction costs uh went up pretty dramatically. Uh, everybody we've talked to so far has said, uh, you know, do we have anything we can show them that's, uh, closer into Orlando? Uh, somewhere on 429, somewhere around Kelly Park in
the Kelly Park intersection, somewhere along 441. And of course, my answer to all that is no, that's not what we're doing. We're talking about Eustace. Um the uh con some of the concerns that we've heard also are the trade immediate
trade area incomes being lower and uh that uh this this we hear in a lot of similar situations, similar assignments we get uh that no one likes to be the first. They always like to see somebody else go in with a large project and kind of prove out the immediate market before
they uh look at the potential for themselves. Again, they just don't want to be the pioneers. Uh we have seen uh some resistance to Florida opportunities generally not just here. Uh but uh there are there are signs of slowdown in some
of the markets in Florida and the competition is very high uh around the nation in a lot of commercial real estate uh activity. Uh some of the high growth markets that a couple of years ago were very very strong. Phoenix and Austin and so on have really slowed down
and gone the opposite way. they've gotten overbuilt and pricing has come down and uh we're starting to see some delinquencies in commercial real estate uh construction loans and operating loans in that uh in those markets. So going forward uh our job is as uh I like
to say sort of smiling and dialing. We've got to keep talking to people and get them talking to us. Uh the timing is very important. We have to be in front of potential uh development candidate companies uh when they're ready to look at an opportunity. Uh so it means
talking to them uh often three or four times or three or four discussions over a longer period of time uh until we can finally get them to really take a hard look at it. I do expect that uh we'll do a couple of additional market tours during January. I had a good
conversation with one of the people that I've been chasing since September and uh he has been working with one of our senior people on some market research for the area and understanding ownership interest and so on. And uh I finally was able to talk to him and uh the president
of his company the other day and it looks like I'm going to get them down here uh probably in Jan very definitely in January. Not not before January but uh definitely definitely in January sometime. So, working on that schedule now. Uh, that's the update for this
month. I'm happy to answer any questions. Uh, feel free to ask me. >> How many did you say you sent out? >> Uh, we've sent out over 30. And that list, you know, again, what we do first
is talk to people. We don't just email a blast out. So, we make that first call. Uh typically I send someone an email and I'll say you know I've got something I want you to look at in in north in central Florida and uh you know let's set up a call and we in my world now of
course a call is a team's call typically that gives me the opportunity to bring up uh you know Google Earth and a few other things and show information about the market. So, we've done that a little over 30 times, sent follow-up information a little over 30 times to those people, and uh our list is is
steadily expanding as we uh expand our reach. So, we'll be over 40, I would guess, within the next 10 days or so. >> Other questions? Um, if somebody asks you what is the commission or what is the
city looking for to occur down there? What are you telling them? >> What's what's our vision? >> You know, no one has asked us what the commission is looking for. You know, what we get asked are what are the opportunities? And quite frankly, the opportunities for us uh in in the market
research we've done has been in multif family, better quality multif family apartments, highly amenitized apartments, uh retail, food and beverage opportunities and a hotel hotel convention center. >> How did you describe that apartment? Highly, what did you say? >> Highly amenitized.
>> Okay. >> So, these are these are >> what that is. I just didn't hear the end part. Thank you. How much time have you spent on this so far? We're going into December. >> Oh, you know, that's a good question. I would have to go back and and look at
our time sheets, but I I spend probably uh eight hours a week at least working on it in bits and pieces. And then we've got a couple of other people, research people, and one of my senior development people who probably spends about the same. >> So, three people spending about eight
hours uh a week. >> Each spending about eight hours a week. 24 hours roughly. >> Yeah, roughly. >> When you say multifamily, what's your vision for that? >> Uh that's apartment projects and again what we describe as uh you know better
quality uh and I'll use that term again, the highly amenitized uh better quality rental apartments. Highly amenitized basically means uh a lot of features everything from the traditional sort of workout room uh
through the list goes on and on. I mean includes golf simulators, yoga studios, ballet bars uh outdoor uh features like barbecues and pavilions and swimming pools and shuffleboard courts and pickle
ball courts. I mean that it just when I think I've seen the entire list of the amenities that people can put in these projects, someone comes up with a new one. Uh but that's that's the market uh that there is a lot of investor interest
in. There's a lot of developer interest in. Uh they've got to see markets or if they're looking at a market, they've got to see that the uh that there's a disposable income, a population with a disposable income that can support the rents that go with those projects. uh
but they bring to a community uh people with disposable income into the downtown area. That's what makes them so popular into the into central business districts. Uh the people with disposable income that locate in a one of these projects are going to spend uh money in
your retail shops and your restaurants and so on. So they they bring in a lot of economic activity into a downtown area. And as I said, there's a strong there's a strong preference for that uh in the investment community. The other end is the affordable housing community
and that's been very active as well. But typically when we're looking at a market like this, we look at the affordable housing component and pretty much conclude that the that component is is fulfilled and the market gap is in the uh better quality upscale uh apartments.
The users for those uh are empty nesters. Uh people that uh you know their kids are growing and gone. Uh they may not want to maintain a house anymore, but they want to stay in the community that they've probably been in for many years and they they want to get
out of the maintenance and so on. So they are a great candidate for these. They can afford it and they they can uh they they bring that disposable income into the downtown area. The other end of the age group is what we call double income, no kids, and that's a uh a
couple with professional degrees often and six figure salaries. They don't have children yet and uh they they are going to be active users of the amenities and they want to be in a downtown area where they can walk to shops and restaurants
and again they're just ideal users. So, uh th those are the big categories that uh that typically rent apartments in these projects. Hey, Mike, when when uh you're touring and you have someone that that that
has an interest in something like that, uh is there that conversation that you know the possibility of of us pulling from Orlando, pulling from the villages, places like that because of the disposable income? Yeah, I think the
uh you know what you've got is a population. You know, the the way we often talk about Eustace is that it's a it's sort of where the jobs in the north side of Orlando go at night, >> right? >> So, it's kind of a bedroom community, if you will, for people who work in Apopka
or somewhere like that. Uh and it's that that's a very, you know, common sort of tactic, if you will, or or suburban market description, if you will. And that's exactly the kind of people that will rent uh coming back to the multif family discussion, that's exactly the
kind of people that will rent uh apartments in that kind of project. >> Okay. Okay. All right. Anything else? >> Okay. All right. Thank you, Mike. >> Nice to see everyone. All the best for the holidays and I'll see you in
January. >> You as well. Thank you. >> Okay. Next up, we have appointments. Yes, sir. I'll take that. Um, we do have uh a um reappoint for you. Um we
advertise the opportunity. Uh the only applicant was someone currently serving. So, uh we're asking you to consider the reappoint of Rachel Holtzclaw to the uh fire pension board. >> I don't see Miss Rachel. Okay. All
right. Um, >> I would I would >> go ahead. >> If nobody has any comments, I would motion that we approve that. >> Okay. In a second. >> Second it. >> Been moved and properly second. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Lee. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Asbody.
>> I. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> I. >> Mayor Hawkins. >> Uh, similarly, uh, historic preservation board, we have a vacancy. We advertised the opportunity. Uh the only applicant was someone who's currently serving. So we're asking you to reconsider or to
consider the reappoint of Monty Stamper to the Historic Preservation Board. >> So moved. >> So moved. Second. Okay. It's been movement promptly second. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Lee.
>> Hi. >> Commissioner Asat. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> Hi. >> Mayor Hawkins. >> Hi. And finally, um, we advertised an opportunity on the library board. Um, we received one applicant, uh, Gwen
Manning. She's currently serving. So, we're asking you to consider the reappoint of Gwen Manning to the library board. >> Thank you, Tom. >> So, moved. >> Okay. Second.
It's been moved and properly second. Roll call, please. Commissioner Lee. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Asat. >> Hi, >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> Hi, >> Mayor Hawkins. >> Hi. >> Next up, we have audience to be heard. Uh uh please uh approach the mic. U we
have forms if you haven't filled them out uh underneath the exit sign of your name. Uh and if you're a resident of Eustace, you have three minutes, please. >> I have a card from Daniel Deanzo. Mr.
Daniel. >> Good evening. Daniel Dvenanzo, local uh business owner. Several actually. So, this is the last time I'm going to address this commission because this is the last time that you're having a regular meeting. Of course, you're going
to have the workshop on the 12th. And is that is that here or is it over at the uh women's club? >> It's at the women's club. >> What time? uh 9:00 am on Friday the 12th. >> Friday the 12th. So, uh you know, next next year the first meeting you'll you'll elect a new mayor. Um I'm looking
forward to that. Uh it it should be, you know, a change of pace potentially. I was pretty frustrated this year overall. Mr. Gman just gave a report, which by the way, I appreciate that report, but it concurs with everything. Those of us
who have spent money locally and built locally already knew. And once again, I'm going to remind you, you have shut all the local potential individual parties that could develop something here out because you keep going for
onestop shop. You want a big player to come in and and I want to tell you guys, you're going to have a lot more input with a small guy locally here that's going to bring forward a project, which by the way, the some of these drawings already exist, but there's never been an
opportunity to put them forth. You're going to have a lot more input. You bring in the one-stop shop, they're going to tell you exactly what they're going to do. They're going to tell you when they want to do it, and they're going to hold your feet to the fire and exactly what they're going to expect from you. And if in any way you don't give them what they want, and I can assure you, you are going to surrender
the property because they're going to be going out looking for money and they're not going to have they're not going to have the property potentially with the city in a position to keep that to hold a first mortgage position. So, you really want to think about as as this goes forward the big box shop and and
next year, you know, we had a couple of opportunities earlier this year which um you know, if you looked at if you looked closely at their development presentation documents, they were essentially juvenile. Um I sent letters to all of you explaining some in some
cases paragraph by paragraph how things were not well thought out and well-developed. And the idea is, well, you know, we'll enter into a commitment for six months to come to an agreement and not not even knowing what you might be signing on for. And I I'll assure you
what that would have been. That would have been you hiring your city attorney, them hiring their attorney, never being able to come to a conclusion, and you would have wasted six months. Because I will tell you anybody that any developer that comes in here that you're going to produce development documents, they're going to say, "And by the way, if you
don't go forward with us, you are going to pay us for everything that we've put together on your behalf." And so going forward into the next year, I hope I hope we have a different mindset. I hope on the 12th when we have this meeting, though I'm sure something else is going
to come up, uh that we we can come to consensus and also think about maybe opening it up a little bit instead of closing out your local guys. >> Thank you, Daniel. Anyone else?
>> Okay, seeing no one else. All right. Next up, uh consent agenda. Is there anything anyone would like to have pulled? >> Uh, Mr. Mayor, I I would like to uh pull the
an item many on the consent. >> Um, item 25106 uh the electric utility easement uh with Duke Energy >> on Greenwood. >> Yeah. Involving our our
>> great cemetery. Okay. All right. Like to discuss it. Would we like to uh approve everything and then discuss that? >> Approve. Approve the rest. >> The rest of >> You're in charge. >> Okay.
>> Are there any other items that want to be pulled or just that one? >> That's it. >> So, I'll pull that that item and then you can approve the consent agenda. Okay. about this one and I will then start with that one when we go to my section.
>> Okay. All right. Uh see how we've uh we've pulled uh 6.7. Uh could we go for approval of the consent agenda? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Been moved and properly second.
Roll call, please. Hi, >> Commissioner Lee. >> Commissioner Abbott. >> Hi, >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> Hi, >> Mayor Hawkins. >> I
>> Okay, Sasha. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We'll start with the uh pulled consent item for resolution number 25-106. It's a resolution of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Florida, approving and authorizing the execution
of a perpetual utility easement in favor of Duke Energy Florida LLC over a portion of the city-owned property identified as Greenwood Cemetery Edition F providing for conflicts, severability, and an effective date. Rick, I saw you got up, so will you be. Yeah,
>> perfect. So, um, briefly, the the easements required. It's on the very east side of the property. It'll be coming from Orange Avenue extending up to a a we'll go overhead. We'll do a point of
connection for the um the control panel that's going to be used for the fountain at the Tranquil Gardens, the project that we just started, and also some electrical that's in and around. electrical out towards that area past
the Colombardian. Originally, we had looked at pulling from the Sexton's office, but it's too long of a pole to be able to take and and carry that voltage out. So, the easement is going to be for the overhead
power. Um we're we're looking for a 10ft strip and at that point we're going to run overhead power and we're also going to run a 2 in water man out from Orange Avenue as well for water. >> Is is there overhead power anywhere near there now?
>> Uh along Orange Avenue but not at the cemetery now. Is there I mean I mean I I know I know Duke's been a good a good partner with us uh in the past, but I'm a little I'm a little concerned about what kind of poles and
everything they're going to put out there. >> It's nothing like the big metal poles. That's that's transmission. This will be dis distribution. It would be um they'll come off of Orange Avenue. I don't believe they have to set a pole there. >> Is there too?
But I don't care what kind of pole it is, it's going to change the look out there. Have we talked with them about any possibility of going underground or no? >> Um, we haven't. I can look at that. The cost is substantially more, but we could
run the conduits and the pole boxes to go under. >> I don't know. I mean, I'm I I don't know what everyone else concern is with there's no poles out there now. You put poles now, it's just going to it's just going to change the look. And um I don't know if that's something we want to do or not or we thought of.
>> I mean more the visual side of it. You you are going to see them. Yes. >> But it is up against kind of the houses in the back. We're hiding a lot of that area >> anyway where landscaping. I mean obviously landscaping is not going to go up 18 ft. >> Okay. >> To the power line.
>> Okay. And how far how far how far is that from Orange Avenue or >> um >> quarter mile? >> No. No. It's about 300 ft. Oh, okay. All right. >> Which is the full length of the cemetery property, right? The eastment. >> No, it it will not go the full length of
the property. So, the eastern edge of what we call lot F. Um, you know, as you come in and you have that colarian area and you extend further, there's kind of like that little rectangular piece that
comes up along the property on the east edge, the residential side. It's going to run about half of that. And then we're going to use that power not only for these improvements, but we're also we planned in our capital this year is we're dropping a barn for the third
party um grave diggers that are out there and they wanted power for their pole barn that they're doing. So there will be um power coming from there as well. >> So whether we go above ground or underground um we need the easement.
>> Um if if you would like for me to price the underground I mean Honestly, it it's I would rather go underground. Um, but the cost is substantially more. >> So, this easement is for you, for lack,
am I reading it right? If you're saying >> for me, it's for the project >> and it's for specifically the um cemetery use. >> Yes. >> Okay. This is a cemetery project, not a Duke Energy.
>> Have you reviewed all the documents on this? Uh, Tom, >> I I did and and Rick, I I spoke to, uh, Michelle briefly because my my question was, uh, will Duke be serving other customers through the easement? And Michelle's response was, no, this is
this is just for our use. >> And I apologize, I didn't have a chance to catch up with you on it, but I was asking similar questions. The thought was if Duke is serving other customers then should there be a cost associated with granting an easement and the answer was no this is specifically for our use
and so it doesn't make sense to charge due to serve us for this specific use. >> Okay. >> Sasha did you review these documents and and the easement and the >> recorded item and whole? >> I reviewed the um the incident and they
actually made revisions based on my comments. So this was reviewed by me. >> You know what bothered me? The word perpetual um does >> that all duty. >> Well, I think I don't want to speak for
the other commissioners, but me. I mean, I'm just a little worried that that that if we give them an easement and they decide to use it for other for other things, I mean, can we limit limit the easement to what we're doing now? And if they're not using it, do what happens to
it? >> If if in the future something happens if this is >> you you just have to understand understand the concern with what's happened with downtown. I mean, >> right. I >> we if if we take the fountain out, I don't need the electric.
>> No, no, no. I'm I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that >> I don't think we got enough information about what they were going to do downtown. And you know, when we talk about easements along our property and if they're going to use those for other things besides us, then do they have a
right to put in or what they want? >> I don't know what else they could serve. >> Okay. I don't know. That's why I'm asking. >> So, we run in the five probably the the backyards of the five houses that are adjacent that are served from the front already. >> Okay.
>> And then on the other side of this is our center. So, And nobody is building or doing anything there without our permission. >> Okay. And if we went underground, that would lessen the concern that everyone's
having about them doing it, giving someone else uh servicing someone else. >> You know, you you could still I mean, if if the chances of them serving anybody else on this line to me, I I don't I don't see it. I don't I don't see how
that would be. But even if it is underground, >> if they had a desire to serve someone, it doesn't make a difference whether it's above ground or underground, you still have the drop in the transformer. >> And are they Go ahead. >> No, no, I'll go last. Go ahead.
>> So, are they um So, they'll be taking care of that area? >> No, we will. >> We We don't want anybody else taking care of the cemetery other than us. And they and they will not disturb the
grave sites. >> No. >> Rick, what's the timeline on this? >> It says without the city's prior written approval. So, if they chose to and they can Am I reading this wrong?
>> The document expressly protects cemetery marketers, monuments, burial vaults, and similar features by prohibiting any removal or disturbance without the city's prior written approval. So that could be possible, right? >> That was that for the monuments and
things like that. Correct. >> And burial vaults. >> Yeah. They can't move anything without us approving it. They have to come to us first. But I hope we wouldn't disturb them. >> There there are no there are no burials in this area.
>> Okay. >> So that I mean where where we're doing all of this construction where there are no no burials. No exist burials. >> It's on the fence line. >> It's on the very the very far eastern fence line and it comes about halfway up.
>> I'm just concerned. And you know how I feel about the cemetery. So I'll make sure it's done right. >> And this I mean the the the only reason we are doing this is for the project that we are undertaking. I see. >> Otherwise we have no need for additional power.
>> Oh the way it was written I thought it was something that Duke was a project of theirs but it's really something for our >> we have reached out to Duke for this. So we've asked them for the overhead. They can't put it up >> without without having an easement to
protect their assets. So that's why we need the easement. >> Okay. Well, glad you pulled that. >> So, fortunately, unfortunately, depending on who you are, I have a lot of concerns about this and um I wanted and I tried
to put them all into writing because it seems like we talk about it and then I say a lot of stuff and it's hard to help staff and and everybody understand what my concerns are. So if uh I would like to share with everybody my concerns in
writing. So if if uh the two of you and then Sasha, can I pass along and go into record with my concerns and feedback on this issue. >> Sure. And if you could just give a copy to the clerk for >> Okay. So one is for you, Mr. Mayor, Mr.
Vice Mayor. Mr. Vice Mayor, Mr. Thank you. The the first thing I want to say, um, thank you, uh, Rick, for putting the project into simplicity for us. It always helps, especially for the for the
new guy. Um, I'm concerned that our attorney and our city manager looked at this and they're and they're happy with it because when I look at it, I don't see anything that tells the story about what you're talking about. I see a perpetual easement.
I see the easement giving to Duke the right and it's in there and the paragraphs are quoted to move the easement as they want to cut trees down anywhere there that they want to have access through any means on our property or or adjacent properties from any
direction to come in and go over. I don't like the wires overhead which Commissioner Vice Mayor Ashcraft brought up. I believe they should be underground. I believe that we should have an ordinance requiring any future power lines to be underground. I think
we do for residential or something along that way. If a house builds, their wiring has to be underground. Um, but we're basically giving away all this property to Duke and giving them the right to move it and to determine
later at their own discretion over the life of hundreds of years kind of like the fairground we gave away to move the center line. And I don't know if you read the doc the actual um addendum that they presented which grants them what what it uh grants them uh underground
overground easements that also mentions in there and includes transmission lines so they can come back later and put transmission lines down these easements. They specifically use the word transmission as well. Um, you know, we have a beautifification
thing we're trying to do that that uh Commissioner Lee is trying to do there and I'm concerned about that. In red, I have uh some of the other risks. Um, so a private easement generally granting
someone an easement that especially when it goes beyond the scope of what we're doing, which I'm okay personally. I don't know about the rest of him, but I'm okay with what you want to do there for us, but I don't want to give away the whole house when all I need is a cup of water for a moment. Um, and uh, I
think an access easement, a temporary access, which I've done many times to allow them to come in there and do that, an agreement that their assets are theirs, uh, could be uh could be a cure to that. Um, but to give that all away for a dollar and allow them to, we're
setting the stage for the next commission years and years down the line to have more of these great polls that we have now. But I haven't met one person yet say thank you for for those big horrifically um sad polls. So, we got to think as I
said once before 5 10 in this case 50 and 100 years because I think she said the life of a poll is about 100 years. Sorry about that for you too, sir. But um we have to think ahead. So I'm okay with what you're doing. What I really think we need to do is we need to narrow
down what we're doing. We're asking them, hey, bring in your power here. Give us power for our fountain. And I think we're all probably going to be okay with that from what I could tell. But we don't want to grant them an easement from one end to the other imperpetual
forever. Um and and then allow them to move the center line. Uh, and I've outlined, so I'm not going to go through them all now. Um, but I've I I've uh mentioned several items on there, including guidewires. They're asking for
permission for guidewires to go outside their easement. So, you could have a cemetery plot there and a guidewire going off right past it, which is great if you want to hang a cross or something special and flowers on it. But, I don't think that's what we were looking for. And I understand we're not burying there
now, but if you look at other cemeteries who maxed out, we will get as close as we can when time comes. And that's that's our property. That's our easement. Uh uh so I think we need to uh clearly not not move forward with
this, but we should modify it and narrow it down more for the scope. I'd like to know how much it's going to cost to go overhead versus underhead. uh and let the commission decide whether they feel that that's a uh uh worthy of an investment for a hundred years. Um I
would like to see their access to it and all of these I think 15 items on here addressed. Um they can't just drive wherever they want on our property to get there. We need to know where they're going. They're not driving over cemetery areas. Again, is it a problem today? I I
I know you're going to say it isn't. And I agree with you because I think you're going to grant them the road access from Orange Avenue, but where they're placing, what they're doing. I'm also concerned of when they do it. I don't want to be burying a loved one and we all get a free plot after so many years.
I don't want our burial to be there with Duke working like we have during GeorgeFest with DOT. So, I've hit on them all and I can read them all onto the record, but instead of that, I gave it in writing. So, in general concept, I
love what you're doing. Thank you, thanks for that in the fountain, but we don't need to give away the whole restaurant when all we want to do is give them a meal. So, um I'm not in favor of this uh outline that that uh
we've looked at. I think it just needs to be narrowed and if we abandon it and we seek power from something else down the line as time grows then we want them to abandon this easement. That's probably one of the biggest things. The word transmission in there allowing them
to do trans that just drives me nuts. So I know we're acting in good faith. I know you are for sure. Uh but uh we we got to tighten the scope. I mean, I don't think anybody here wants a transmission line or really anything but going through there. But if we have
to do it for the fountain, is it worth underground? I think you guys know where I'm coming from. And the rest are in here. So, I would move that we um table this now that it's uh not really a Duke issue, uh that we sit down with you
and you help us tell us what you really need. and and if we no longer use it and abandon it, this can't go on forever and we can't give them transmission line access period at all in my personal opinion. So, I think what you've done is great. I need this narrowed down is is
what I'm asking for. >> Is is that a Rick thing or is that a Sasha and Tom talking to Michelle? >> You're probably right. It's both. I think it starts with him. So he tells us what we need because he's the guy on the boots on the ground. And then we ask her to put it in writing for us and
>> make sure we're covered for that. Basically, it's our easement. It's power for us. If we change our mind tomorrow, we move it or power comes in behind those houses from somewhere else. Pull them from there. >> You know, what we're granting here to them is a complete easement for everything and the right to move it.
They I don't want them to move it ever. >> I want to know where it is and that's where it is. And I don't want guidewires going outside our movement because 25, 30 years from now when your grandkids and my grandkids say, "Why are these things here?" And they said, "Well, grandpa was the one who approved that." I don't want that.
>> Well, you you're you're you're preaching to the choir. Okay. Sorry. Sorry, >> Frank. What's the timeline on this? >> Um, >> or is there not one? >> Yeah, we're we're shooting for a completion of the project
May 7th is the schedule right now. I don't think this will take too long. >> We had our pre-construction meeting with the contractor Monday. Yeah, yesterday. >> Okay. >> Rick, is is what did you call it? What kind of easement was that? >> Perpetual.
>> Perpetual. No, the other said the access >> is that something that that they normally do or do you >> My understanding with an access is only that provides them just that provides them access >> and they won't put their capital improvements just on an access ement but
I can't I can't speak to that. >> Well, now that it's our now that it's our electrical basically what I'm saying is if we ever take it out >> it's gone. We don't give them the property for life and we don't stop our growth of the cemetery because power is eventually going to come all around there and we'll pull it somewhere else
probably 5 10 20 50 years from now. Uh so we don't need to enter into anything perpetual on this for us and if we abandon it we abandon it's just protecting our property keeping it and >> yeah it's nothing it's nothing really against Duke. It's really a protection for us >> because look at the past all the things
that were um given away and you know comes back and too bad but this is another opportunity to give something >> and which 300 >> I'm sorry my head >> about 300 ft >> it looked like a lot from one boundary
to the other boundary at that back part >> I'm not saying that we talked where the water is and we talked about bringing the water out. >> I just I I don't The house could have brought >> the house. You just made me think of something. The houses that are there now, is there three, I think, that back
up to that? I >> think there's five. >> Five. Out of those five, where are they getting power from now? The front. >> They're front. >> So, can we There is a utility easement usually alongside some of the houses. Can we bring it up the back, shorten it 90%. >> I look to see if we could come through.
There are no side ements on any of >> Yeah. Can we come through the back of one of those people? Even if we have to buy an easement from a resident, they're to cut across and do none of that. Save us tons of money. How many amps do you need for there? What size you feed you need? >> Uh we were doing a 200 amp.
>> Yeah, that's like a house. >> Yeah, it's just like a house service. >> You'll save tons of money cutting through one of the one of the houses right to the back there. Save a lot of work. >> We can look into it. Thank you, sir. >> Okay. Did you get a copy of this, Rick?
>> I will. Here, I got one for you. >> Yours is in color because you're important. >> And I have a few more if somebody wants. >> Um, since we did open it up out of consent, do we have anyone in the audience that would like to comment on this resolution?
>> Come on up, Mr. Devenant. Daniel Dvenanzo, local business operator. So through the years, I've done a lot of business with Duke Energy. And one option you might want to consider is from your point of origin, you own the underground line. You take
responsibility for it. But if it's in conduit and it's underground and then you don't have to give an easement or anything, but you will they will give you your pedestal point and then you or your electrician will be responsible for owning the line to where you want to get it to. And I think Rick's probably familiar with that.
>> That's what we did in the warehouse park where Jose is working up there off of the Duke came in and they put in all the lines and uh the sewer lines went in and they went to ownership to the property. So yeah, that's a good point as well. I like the idea of pulling from those
houses. It's only one extra house and that would save Rick a lot of headache and save us from shortening the whole thing. >> Okay. >> Anyone else in the audience wishing to speak on this item? Seeing none, I'm going to close public input. Mr. Mayor, I presume there's
going to be a motion to table >> okay >> this item. >> And how do we want to address it? Do we want I'm open to meeting if if you would allow me with Rick wherever he went. Um oh way in the back to meeting with Rick
or uh and going over it and coming back to you guys with a modified and then he can talk to Duke >> or I can come back to you guys with >> Would you like to chime in? >> That's a Tom question. >> That that I guess I would defer to Rick.
Rick, what are what are next steps? Um, do we do we need to meet with Duke first? Do we need to meet with Commissioner Asbat? >> Or can you explore a couple of those options and we can talk at the next meeting? >> Yeah, I think the first thing I need to
read this and understand the concerns fully and then I'll look at other options. Um, we did look at coming from the edge of the road and putting a drop there and as Daniel said that we're concerned about the voltage drop across there. um
>> for 200 amps shouldn't be too big. >> The and you know I'm I'm not an electrical engineer so we we we deferred to our our engineer and um they had the same concerns out there as as pulling from u the existing building. So I've got to
look at it and get some people involved and you know I'll I'll go through this and digest these comments and um explore a couple avenues and then yeah I'll give you a call and we can sit down and it's a rewrite or at least keep you up to
speed on on what we're saying and what the options are. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> That's right. >> Okay. >> All right. Okay. Um so we're going to table this. >> There a motion to table. >> So we need to get a motion to table. Do we get a second?
>> Do we do the date specific or do we >> we can't do it at this time because it all depends on >> I would make a motion to table um whatever the number is. Uh 25-106 >> for now. >> Okay. >> Second.
>> Okay. Been a motion and properly second. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Lee. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Esbod. >> I. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> Hi. >> Mayor Hawkins. >> Hi. >> We'll proceed with resolution number
25-109. A resolution of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Florida, approving and authorizing the city manager to execute addendum number one to the commercial lease agreement with Win One Ministries, Inc. extending the lease term for city-owned property located at
301 Westward Avenue, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. So, uh, you have before you, um, basically, uh, this keeps all of the terms of the existing lease with Win1
Ministries, uh, for the service center. Uh, keeps everything identical except it's a two-year extension. Uh, Win One Ministries has been a good partner for the city, uh, for the police department. Um, and again, this keeps everything
identical except it extends it for two years. Uh there has been some discussion about uh recreation programming and it is a concern uh that we are looking for additional space for our recreation programming. Uh that said uh we're going
to be uh looking at other options. Um working with Sam, we'll come back to you with some options for additional space for uh recreation programming. Uh, but we're recommending a two-year extension for the lease with Wind One Ministries.
>> Be happy to try to answer any questions >> with the Go ahead. >> Oh, I was going to say what um um I mean he needs indoor space, but I mean what options do we have for indoor space? I don't think we have many. >> Uh well, one option is to look at uh expanding one of our existing spaces.
Um, we have uh some um we had some money budgeted in the CRA for a uh basketball shade structure. Uh we could reallocate that money for um an expansion of indoor space at the recreation uh facility at
Carver. Um it would the advantage to doing that is it would keep uh programming in uh a single location as opposed to spreading it out over the city. Uh so that's one option. Um and then the it's I think there are
complications because there are a lot of opportunities specifically uh I think we've talked about uh Kurt Wright. Kurt Wright offers a lot of opportunity but um one uh we have to wait for them to finish the um
>> the construction at the high school. Uh but now uh to further complicate that is they are considering uh moving temporarily Eustace Elementary students while they do construction on the Eustace Elementary campus. So I think Kurtright is the answer to a lot of our
issues. Uh but we are a couple years out from being able to do anything there. Um, >> and is it that um, sorry Tom, is that is that expansion was that was that um, part of the uh, Carver Park master plan
as well? I mean, shouldn't we re revisit that at one point? >> It strictly speaking, it is it's it's separate from the Carver Park master plan because that was a much larger uh, effort. Um it included um more um more
new facilities on that site. >> Okay. >> Um so it's a little different than the master plan. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Hey, Tom. Um and and I I I said this all along, the rent that
that we get from from uh win one, are we giving that uh putting that into parks and wreck? We yes I mean initially it was it was it went into a a Corey roll memorial field fund.
>> Um but that is something that commission can um has some flexibility. Uh if commission wanted to put that towards additional facilities at Carver Park. Uh we could do that as well. >> Okay. >> So they're they are uh I mean you've been in it as much as I have. They're
busting at the seams over there. They really are. >> Yeah. because I know that that there's a need for that space and I know there's a need for storage and if that pays for it that's less money that we have to take out of you know the general
>> certainly a warehouse space would be maybe $125 a foot versus closed in would be 200 a foot. So well 200 is more a house probably 175 but yeah it is you're right it is more costefficient. Good point.
>> And we do have enough land over in that area to do something. >> Yeah. >> Constructive. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay, Sasha. >> Okay. >> I have a question. >> I I don't know if it's appropriate or not, but I missed something on the on
the consent agenda. So, is it too late? I mean, we can't undo what we've done. >> It's already been approved. >> Okay. >> I do have a card on this item. >> Okay. or if we're ready. Any other questions for Tom on this?
>> Yeah. Any anything else? >> Okay. >> Uh Gail Talis. >> Good evening. >> The mayor took what I wanted to say. Thank you. >> Because I had already written what I
wanted to say before the addendum >> was done for the commercial lease of the building, the public building owned on 301 Ward Street because my concern was also
about the money that was supposed to been given to Parks and Rick totally $96,000. to see if it had been done because that's very important because they need that money. Parks and Ricks
need that money and with me being a part of it for 17 years with the Eustace Golden Seniors volunteering for 17 years out there calling bingo every Tuesday. I know the money is
needed and we appreciate everything that Sam has done out there for us and more can be done and that was why I was going to be inquiring about the $96,000.
Okay. >> I appreciate it. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Yes, Sam is doing a good job. Just wanted to let you all know. >> Thank you. I told them about a machine for bingo and last Tuesday when we got back after Thanksgiving, the machine was
there. So if you have a chance, any of the city commissioners, come out and call Bingo with me Tuesday mornings 9:30 to 12. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Thomas.
>> Sasha, can I ask a question? M question for the attorney. Um, I might be wrong, so I I know you probably know this, but I believe in reviewing either the rules of order or the um or the charter and and I'm not good at both of those. There
is a provision in there that refers to something where a commission votes on an item and I think it has some restriction as to the during the same day or during the same uh that it can be brought up if a major rebought back up if a majority of the commission and I'm not saying
that's it. I'm saying that's what I think I remember. Can you comment on that? Are you 150% sure that once we vote on an item, even a majority of it within the same meeting cannot bring it back up? >> Uh, as far as a consent item that you're talking about? >> Yes,
>> I can pull it up and I'll review it for you. >> Okay. So, can you do that before the end of the meeting or so that we >> so that we can address that or if a vote of three >> or more, can we bring it up now? >> Well, we need to address finish up this item. >> Okay. I I will make sure that we address
that. >> You're right. We should finish that item. I thought we were done with that. >> I'm sorry. You're right. My mind was thinking about that. >> Miss Thomas wanted to speak again. Did you want to allow that, Mr. Mayor? >> Okay.
I know what she's going to talk about. I didn't get your email. >> Is that a no? >> I guess it's a no. >> All right. >> Is it related to this item? >> No, it's not. Oh, it is. >> Okay. >> You have to come back up.
>> Not just tonight. But anyway, I just wanted to know if I can get a public request for records to see about how the money is being spent or allocated. or you can just talk to the city
manager. >> Okay. All right. All right. It's called accountability and transparency. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else wishing to speak on this item in the audience? >> Okay. Seeing none, I'm going to Okay.
Yes, you can come up. State your name. >> Oh, I'm Pastor Renee. I'm sorry, my voice is a little off. Um, I just want to say that we are the ones, my husband and I, we're pastors, senior pastors of Win1 Ministries. And yes, we have been there for two years. We have been
leasing the space for two years. And as I spoke to um Tom, we have been wonderful tenants in uh my opinion. We have not missed any rent. We have never been late. We've maintained the property. As a matter of fact, we have
improved the property. We've also allowed the community to be a part of the property by leasing or in some cases some cases just excuse me just allowing
people to come in for repass that might might not have the funds to lease the building. So, yes, we've been a vital part of the community. We uh understand business is business, but we would like for you to take that into consideration.
Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak on this item? Okay, seeing none, I'm going to close public. Okay, last one. If you could just state your name. Good evening.
Yes, my name is Benny Hill. I am co-pastor of Win One Ministries, but this is something that uh Pastor Renee does not like to mention, she doesn't like discuss to discuss money. But I want you to know that even though we pay $4,000
a month for the building, being in that building requires more than that a month, we actually run about $6 to $7,000 a month just to be in that building. So, and uh we've done a lot of work
to improve it. Uh we left it open to the community. We also run a food pantry every third Tuesday of that month where we feed over 100 to 200s of people coming through. And so far this year,
we have provided enough food through that pantry to feed at the time, I believe, 86,000 families here in Lake County >> and surrounding counties. So, uh, I think we're that we're a benefit to the city.
We're a benefit to the community. And I was born and raised in Eustace, Florida, and I love this city. >> I love it. And I want to see what the best take place here in this city. I want to see that take place.
Whatever uh we can do to enhance whatever the commission is trying to do, we want to be a part of. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. And one other thing uh that hasn't been mentioned, I I heard you, Pastor
Renee. Uh, Win One Ministries has been a great partner with the supervisor of elections who continues to use the building uh for voting and so uh that's been a good partnership between Win1 uh the city and the supervisor of elections. So that's been a good continuation.
>> I'm sorry. >> Employee gym. >> Yeah, the employee gym is also still located in the building and so we have employees that use that space. So Win One has been a very good partner. I would say they have and I think we've reached a really good compromise to
provide Sam what he needs and also allow them to continue. They do a lot in the community and they're involved and so to me we've reached a happy medium. >> Yeah. Yeah. The the the fact that we can reprogram that that money from the
basketball court to >> Yeah. And and think about most of the kids a lot of them are in that area. So you got to spread out but this make it more concentrated. So, I like the um the way we've handled this. >> Sure. >> I agree.
Here. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We've closed public input. >> Okay. >> You want to make a motion? >> All right. Get a motion. So, move. Okay. >> Got a had a first. Get a second. >> Second.
>> Okay. It's been first and properly second. Roll call, please. Commissioner Lee. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Abbody. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> Hi. >> Mayor Hawkins. >> Hi. >> Okay. >> We're I think moving up now to the
presentation on ear. >> Is that correct, Tom? >> Yes. >> So, we have ordinance >> 25- 38. An ordinance amending the comprehensive plan of the city of Houston specifically to adopt city initiated evaluation and
appraisal review based amendments pursuant to section 163.3191 Florida statutes update the goals objectives and policies of future land use transportation housing infrastructure conservation recreation
and open space intergovernmental coordination capital improvements economic development and property right elements of the comprehensive of plan to update the future land use map series providing for severability repealing all ordinances in conflict here with and
providing for an effective date. >> For the record, Michael, development services director. Um I would just say that we um we would be happy to go through the same presentation that occurred during the um LPA uh if you
prefer or we would just ask that you consider the um approval of the amendment and uh and move forward. What is your preference? >> So so just just so we're just so to be clear even if we transmit we can still
make changes. >> Correct. >> Okay. Okay, that's all I need. Okay. >> I mean, >> and it really doesn't slow down the process. >> Again, once it's transmitted, you know, we can um move forward with additional amendments
>> and make make adjustments. >> Okay. All right. Okay. >> Okay. >> So, you don't want pre uh repeated presentation? >> No, I don't think Do we need to hear from Ray or Mike? >> No. Nope. I think we're good. Thanks, M. >> Okay. So, we're approving this big thick
thing here with Mike. We're approving this big thick book that we that we just got before the meeting under the under the knowledge that we have the right to amend it at any time. Is that >> That's correct. That we can >> That's how I'm That's how I'm taking it.
>> Okay. Would you like to hear from the consultant? >> Um, questions for Ray. >> I would like to ask, you're not approving them. you're just transmitting that. Right. Right. >> So, as I mentioned, it goes to the state for 60 days for comments. If you want to
do a workshop, >> you know, in January, this month, whenever, we can do that. It will come back to you. >> And it will come back to you about 90 days from now. And then that will be adoption hearing >> and then change. >> So, we're not adopting it, right? No.
>> You're just transmitting for the state to review and provide comments. >> And if you want, like I said, we can do another workshop. We can go through every page of this thing and go through it and discuss it. And if you want make changes, we can make changes to it. You won't adopt it till about, like I
mentioned, it'd be about 90 days from now. >> Or until you're ready. We just have to adopt it within 180 days after we transmit. >> Okay. >> Thanks, Ray. Half a year. >> Thank you. >> Have a year, I think. >> Okay. Any other questions? >> Any questions? >> No. No.
>> Do we have any cards on this item? >> Not on this item. >> Okay. Okay. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on ordinance number 25-38? Okay. Seeing none, I will close public input and give it back to you, Mr. Mayor. >> Okay. All right.
Can I >> Yeah, Mr. Mayor, I move approval of uh ordinance number 2538. That's right. Sure. Okay. Double check and make sure. 2538 >> that was transmitted from the LPA,
right? So the number would be there. >> It's 2538. >> Yeah. Okay. We have a first. >> Second. >> Okay. Been first and properly second. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Lee. >> I. >> Commissioner Azotti. >> I. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft.
>> I. >> Mayor Hawkins. >> I. Thank you. We have now for second reading um ordinance number 25-03 04 and 05 for presentation. We're beginning with ordinance number 25-03,
an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Florida, voluntarily annexing approximately 48.1 acres of real property at alternate key numbers 1097070 and 1094712 generally located north of County Road
44 and east of Road 19. Mr. Wils. Good evening again. Kyle Wils, senior planner. This is uh again, as always, we're doing the one presentation for all three ordinances. Uh this is for ordinance
number 25304 and05. Uh annexation comp plan amendment and design district assignment for alternate keys 1097070 and 1094712. The applicant again is Logan Wilson for Robert T. Sangster annexation of
approximately 48.1 acres requesting to go from county urban low to mixed commercial industrial with a rural neighborhood uh design district to the north and suburban corridor along east county road 44.
This shows the uh site location again on uh it's an enclave located on east kind of road 44 east of state road 19. Now this came before LPA and city commission as a large scale comp plan amendment uh on September 4th and it was
transmitted to Florida Commerce. In the midst of transmitting that we were able to get a new survey from the applicant showing that it was in fact a smallcale amendment at 48.1 acres. However, it was still transmitted to the state. They had
no objections. So, we evaluated this request uh per chapter 163. And as always, the future land use element and LDRs. Um this is the current county of urban low, excuse me, urban low land use, which
allows for use an acre and a.35 F for non-residential uses. And the request uh before you is to go to mixed commercial industrial with a 2.5 F with restrictions for commercial office and light manufacturing uses.
Uh it's consistent with the surrounding future land use designations and established patterns. Uh it's urbanizing corner county road 44 is urbanizing. Uh and the MCI designation is more intense than Lake County urban low uh which
which is expected when you're going from an unincorporated area to an incorporated municipality. Uh there is capacity and water and sewer available. Uh there is a nonwet pond. It is in a 100year flood plane with a low
recharge area. And again a lomar f would be required for any development on this property. Uh transportation level service has not been evaluated because There hasn't been any uh commercial industrial project that has come before us yet that would be required at time of
DRC and site plan submitt uh it is consistent with the future land use and comprehensive plan and the surrounding uses and land uses here again is the water and sewer availability
environmental showing it's not kind of a study area but it is uh subject to the FEMA firm maps 2012 12. There's a general low generalized potential recharge.
And again, it is within an enclave. >> That's all wetlands in the back. I like that picture you just showed us. >> Sure. This one here. >> Is that all wetlands in the back part? So, there's somewhat of a buffer >> between the neighborhoods. >> The neighborhoods. Am I reading that right? Assuming I don't know
>> that. Well, I I'm not sure exactly what's there now, but um that >> it' be a designation. Yeah, >> it'd be a designation of of wetlands. >> Yeah, I let me go back to the generalized flood plane. So, I don't know if there are any wetlands. There's
a small wetland pond uh to here to the south, but the rest of it is just in the flood plane, but is not wetland. >> Okay. >> So, that's a flood plane highlight, not a >> correct >> wetland. Yeah. I I think that's just >> it is wetland. >> No,
>> I'm being told that it was wetland. >> It was wetland. >> It's not There's a difference between wetland and say water. >> Uh it's a wooded wetland. Uh but it is not a body of water. I guess is I'm I'm looking at a map. It's pretty heavily
wooded, but it is not a body of water. If that >> Yeah. >> Well, wetlands I thought when I asked that was a designation >> and I So I guess >> in other words, can they build on there? That's what I was thinking. >> Is it a buffer?
>> Right. >> Yeah. >> Can you tell us? >> Oh, sorry. >> Nope. Go ahead. >> No, you go ahead. >> Like if if it's a designated wetland, then there are all kinds of restrictions in our comp plan and our LDRs that would I mean they would have to jump through a
lot of hoops to develop in a wetland. >> So we have a buffer there. >> Yes. Realistically, yes. Again, there's a uh request for a split uh design district assignment of suburban corridor along State Road 44 and urban
residential there to on the northern property. Uh it was revertised again on November 30th. Property was posted on the 1st and mailing notices were sent out I believe on the 28th. So we recommend we've after this
evaluation uh staff recommends adoption of ordinances 253, 254, and 255. The applicant is present and I'm available for any questions as well. >> Are there any questions for staff?
>> Questions. >> Do we have any cards on this item? >> Would anyone in the audience like to speak on ordinance number 25-03? It wouldn't be complete without Cindy. >> Miss Newton, >> I wouldn't know what to do. >> Was it going to
>> Cindy Newton, excuse me, unincorporated Eustace if memory serves, the back of that is wetlands and the two ponds in the front would be considered bodies of water which would also uh not be allowed to be built on. There's been a lot of
disturbance of the wetlands and those two bodies of water. Uh over the time after they took out all the trees, there was some we observed fill being put in. Anything that you put on this property, that flood plane and also the flood
plane that's in the next property to be considered is the flood overflow for those wetlands that then goes over to Trout Lake. If that helps. You're saying you did research and your opinion your your information says it's
in the wetland. >> I don't think it's suitable for much at all to be built myself. I'm not an engineer but >> yeah I just want to know >> looking at how low it is >> for elevation and things it would be very very difficult to develop anything
on this especially a 2.5. >> So that's that's actually a good question. So then why why do the back rural rural residential That's another good point.
>> Anyone? That might be the application. >> Uh well, rural residential to the north there uh is is kind of the the least intense uh design district that we have that could be assigned to that. >> Yeah. Keep in mind that uh the design
district doesn't really dictate uses. that's dictated by the MCI, which is the future land use. Uh the the design district is more about the form and the lot type, if that makes sense. Uh so the uses will all be the same. Uh but the
form might be a little different with the design district. >> Kyle, in your talk, you said uh light industrial. Do we have light industrial? I thought we don't have a light industrial. We only have an industrial. Do we have a light a classification of
light industrial? >> Well, the uses in MCI would would be considered more of a light industrial use than what would be per would be allowed in general industrial. >> So for instance, uh >> so there's a difference when it's that
way. Do you agree with that, Mike? >> I think the I think the answer to your question is MCI is our light industrial district. General industrial would be considered our heavy industrial and then while we don't specifically have something called light industrial MCI serves that
>> purpose that helps clarify. So it's light only. >> Okay. >> Can they build this land up? >> They would need permission to do that. Uh permission from other agencies like uh St. John's and the folks that regulate wetlands and flood planes and
things like that. Um so um realistically there is a process to do that and it's one that we're involved in but strictly speaking it's not our process. >> Okay. >> Any other questions? >> Anyone else? >> Okay.
Did we have anyone in the audience uh that wish to speak on this? Okay. Seeing none, I'm going to close public input. Back to you, Mr. Mayor. >> All right. Okay. Uh would anyone like to uh
make a motion? >> I think in discussion just in summary, back to what I said before, I really don't like this all together, but I would like to control it rather than to have the county control it for us. I like that there's a wet land in the back
area, so that's a buffer for for Pine Meadows, which has not been happy with the other stuff over there. So, I think if we're voting, we're going to vote whether we want to take charge of our own destiny or we we want them to. It's kind of how I see it. >> So,
would you like to >> if you close discussion and you're open for motions? >> Okay. Any other discussion here? >> Any Okay, I make a motion for approval. >> Second. >> Okay. Been moved and properly second.
Roll call, please. Commissioner Lee. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Abbody. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Ashkra. >> Hi. >> Mayor >> Hawkins. >> Hi. Second item is ordinance number 25-04,
an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Lake County, Florida, amending the city of Eustace comprehensive plan pursuant to Florida statute 163.3187, changing the future land use designation of approximately 48.1 acres of real of recently annexed real property at
alternate key numbers 1097070 and 1094712, generally located north of County Road 44 and east of State Road from urban low in Lake County to mixed commercial industrial in the city of Eustace. We've had presentation. Uh does
commission have any questions for staff on this item? >> Questions? >> The property uh Mike, the property to the east is already MCI, right? So, it's cons it's it's the same as the property. Okay. >> Okay.
>> That was I forgot to ask that. >> Any other questions? No. Do we have any cards, Tom? Uh, not on this item. >> Anyone in the audience wishing to speak on ordinance number 25-04? >> Seeing none, I will close public input and give it back to you, Mr. Mayor.
>> Okay, >> Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion for approval of 254. >> I'll second it. >> Okay, been moved and properly second. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Lee, I. >> Commissioner Asbat, >> I.
Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> Hi, >> Mayor Hawkins. >> Hi. Next is ordinance number 25-05, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Florida, assigning the rural neighborhood design district
res design designation to approximately 41 48.1 acres of recently annexed real property at alternate key numbers 1097070 and assigning the suburban corridor design district designation to approximately 9.4 4 acres of recently annexed real property at alternate key
number 1094712 north of County Road 44 and east of State Road 19. We've had presentation on this item. This commission have any questions for staff on this? Okay. Would anyone in the audience like
to comment on ordinance number 25-05? Seeing none, we will close public input. Back to you, Mr. Mayor. >> Okay, Mr. Mayor, I move approval of ordinance number 255. >> I'll second it. >> Move and promptly second. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Lee, >> I.
>> Commissioner Asbody, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Ashkra, >> I. >> Mayor Hawkins, >> I. >> Now for first readings, we have ordinance numbers 25-34,35, and 36. And we'll have presentation on
on all three of them. We'll begin with ordinance number 25-34, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Florida, voluntarily annexing approximately 5.6 acres of real property at alternate key number 1213835, generally located north of County Road
44 and east of State Road 19. Mr. Wilks, >> thank you. Uh I'll be put again. This is for 2534, 2535, 2536. This again is the smallcale uh future of land use map amendment that came before
LPA earlier requesting to go from urban low uh to mixed commercial industrial while annexing into the city and assigning the suburban corridor design district along county road 44 for 5.5 acres.
And here's the the site adjacent to the property just in question along County Road 44 east of 19. This shows the county urban low currently on property as well as the proposed MCI future land use
and the proposed design district of suburban corridor. Again, utilities are available and capacity is available to service the site. There we go. No generalized wetlands, but it is in a flood zone as is the other property
with low recharge and very limited soil solubility. So it is contiguous to city limits. The site is continuous city limits as an enclave as was the other property. notice was provided to Lake County on November 14th and it was uh advertised
twice in the daily commercial as well as properly noticed and advertised. Um we evaluated advice on 163 and of course the comprehensive plan element future element appendix and
less facilities uh capacity is available. It is in the 100redyear flood plane not in the study area. Uh transportation level service again has not been uh evaluated but it would be would done at time of sight plan should the applicant move
forward. Water and sewer capacity is available. It is consistent with the future land use and comprehensive plan surrounding and consistent with the surrounding future land use both proposed and existing. So we recommend uh adoption of the
annexation future land use and design district amendments for 20 ordinances 2534, 2535 and 2536. Uh I'm available for questions and the applicant is present. >> Okay.
>> Are there any questions for staff from the city commission? >> Questions? >> Do we have any cards, Tom? >> No cards on this item. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on ordinance number 25-34? Seeing none, I will close public input. Okay. Back to you, Mr. Mayor.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move approval for ordinance number 2534. >> Second it. >> Okay. Uh, it's been moved and properly second. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Lee, >> I.
>> Commissioner Asody, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft, >> I. Mayor Hawkins. >> I >> Next we have vote on ordinance number 25-35, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace Lake County, Florida, amending the city of Eustace's comprehensive plan pursuant to
Florida statute 163.3187, changing the future land use designation of approximately 5.6 6 acres of recently annexed real property at alternate key numbers 121 3835 generally located at uh north of County
Road 44 and east of State Road 19 from Urban Low in Lake County to mixed commercial industrial in the city of Eustace. We've had presentation on this item. Are there any questions from the city commission for staff? No. Would anyone in the audience like to
comment on number ordinance number 25-35? Seeing none, I will close public input. >> Mr. Mayor, >> thank you. >> Mr. Mayor, I move approval for ordinance number 2535. >> Second it. >> Thank you. It's been moved and properly second. Roll call, please.
>> Commissioner Lee, >> I. >> Commissioner Aspotti, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft, >> I. >> Mayor Hawkins, >> I. Ordinance number 25-36, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace Lake County, Florida, assigning the suburban corridor design district
designation to approximately 5.6 acres of recently annexed real property at alternate key number 121 3835 north of County Road 44 and east of State Road 19. We've had presentation. Are there any questions from the commission for staff?
>> No. Anyone in the audience wishing to comment on ordinance 25-36? Seeing none, I will close public input. Back to you, Mr. Mayor. >> Uh, Mr. Mayor, I move approval of uh, ordinance number 25-36. >> I'll second it.
>> It's been moved and properly second. Roll call, please. >> Commissioner Lee, >> I. >> Commissioner Asbody, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft, >> I. Mayor Hawkins. >> Hi. >> I'm just going to go back to the request
um from Commissioner Lee. >> Did you have a question on the item or just a question? >> No. >> Well, I have um some thoughts about it. I want a discussion about it. >> Okay. So, uh, because we voted it as a
group, um, and we just pulled one particular item, uh, we can either file, you can have a motion to, um, if you're sure it's just that one item, we can just, um, basically redo the action,
a motion to um, correct the consent agenda for removal of the item that you wanted in addition to the one that we pulled for Commissioner Abbody. and that would have to be seconded and voted on and then we would have to have
discussion on that. It's because it's um an administrative process that the the the section that's being discussed it's and it was already approved and it was a yes vote from everyone. >> Which item is it? >> It's um resolution number 25-101.
Okay. All right. Okay. So, what we would need from you then is um a motion since you uh had an affirmative vote that you would like to amend the consent agenda to remove this
item as one of the approved items. That would be seconded and then voted on. And then we would have to have a motion to p to have this item for discussion. So two separate motions. >> So I would
I'm I'm motion to amend >> I'll make it for you. A motion to amend the consent agenda >> that was previously approved to also exclude >> um resolution number 25-101. And all other votes remain as stated.
That's the motion. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Roll call. >> Okay. Been moved and properly second. Roll call, please. >> Just a second. >> I don't have paperwork for this.
>> Yep. >> Give me just a moment. I'm sorry. Was it Mr. Ashcraft that seconded? >> Commissioner Lee. >> I. >> Commissioner Asody. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft.
>> Hi. >> Mayor Hawkins. >> Hi. >> Right. So, we've corrected the consent agenda. Um, is there a consensus then to and I'll just make that part easy to have the discussion
on resolution number 25-101. >> Okay. So, I will read the resolution and then we'll go with the process. >> Okay. Resolution number 25-101, a resolution of the city commission of the city of Eustace,
Florida, approving and adopting a public records exemption request form and administrative procedures pursuant to section 119.07140, 0714D Florida statutes and Senate Bill 268 2025 to protect certain personal
information of elected officials, employees and their family members, providing for implementation, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. >> That's we had presentation on this >> the wrong number. I put up the wrong
number. He said, >> oh my goodness. >> I'm sorry. >> Okay, so >> that's my song. So there's one on government grants. There's one on adoption of search certificate for public records. Uh and then there the rest of them are for
>> So that one isn't on here, right? >> Which one? This is just public records. Which one are you? No, that's the one. Public records 25. Okay. So I should have said 102. the my notes. >> It's okay. We get paid by the hour.
>> Okay. Um so you give me the wrong one. >> So do it again. >> Yes. So um I'm sorry, Mary. Uh we need to make a motion to correct
um to resend essentially the prior um resolution and replace that one with 25-102 instead from the consent agenda. >> I made the motion. That's your motion. Is there a second? >> Second.
And now we'll do roll call when she's ready. >> It's been move. You're ready, Mary? >> Just give her a second. Sorry. >> So Lee moved that motion. And asbody seconded >> Gary secondary.
>> Oh, Gary seconded. Okay. I couldn't tell with my head down, guys. I'm sorry. >> That's all right. >> And my arm's getting really tired. >> Okay, Commissioner Lee. I >> Commissioner Assy >> I
>> Vice Mayor Ashcraft >> I >> Mayor Hawkins >> I >> Okay, so we have a resolution number 25-102 a resolution of the city commission of the city of Eustace Florida adopting a standardized public record search
certification form for use in responding to public records requests that may involve personal devices or personal accounts providing for implementation and providing for an effective date. >> Okay. >> Um I can
>> Yeah. Yeah. We I mean we had a presentation on this a while back because this was brought back on consent. >> Yeah. I thought I began to think about this and and I saw it on the agenda again and and uh and and the more I thought about it, I thought about
Commissioner Howland's comments and it gave me pause for thought um and and paraphrasing it basically he stated that the state had already given explicit directions covering this area in the ethics doc document. So my concern or my
thing is that I really don't think this document is necessary. So, I wanted to clear that up and see how everybody else felt about it. Um, because I I don't think it's necessary based on the information that he gave us. It just made me think about this,
you know, why are we doing more than we need to? This um >> this is what the state >> this is this is required by law but this is uh in order for staff to have a procedure for them to conform and document the good faith efforts that are
required from you know city staff as well as uh elected officials when there's a request that's made on a device that is not um accessible to the employee. Like for instance, you know, it's one thing if it's an email from the city because they
have ways to search it, but if it's a personal device, the onus is on the individual to do a diligent search and then that request um is made to the individual and this is a way for the city to then document that the request was made. The individual has conducted
the request um search and essentially provided um documentation so that the city is protected as far as the good faith efforts that are required. Um, you may not recall, but the presentation that I did previously on this when we had it under other business for
discussion, um, there was case law that basically supports that the city is obligated to make a a reasonable effort to have due diligence conducted by individuals when it has to do with text messages or posts, um, private emails,
things like that. So, because we're not um in the business of going through people's devices, this is essentially just a way to comply with that good faith effort by saying, "We got this request, we're sending it to you, and you um just do your search, fill that out, and that just gives that record to
the clerk so that it protects the city as far as that due diligence component and the and the request that was made. So, this is it's it's really a staff um mechanism for them to keep track of all of that and make sure that everyone gets a request and they do their search and
we can kind of leave it there. So this this was brought up um someone refused to comply or >> there isn't um there's really no mechanism other than to to send emails and sometimes there has to be se um
additional follow-ups uh that take place and again this is these are requests that are made to the clerk. So it's just uh easy to be able to send the form to you guys whoever gets it because this applies to everyone in the city. um send the request, send the form, and then you
have the opportunity to conduct the search, send it back with a completed form, and then she has her record that the city complied with their part. Um because we do need to have a reasonable turnaround time, and this also just stresses the fact that this is a way to
eliminate possible uh liability for failure to comply with the due diligence effort. They get a lot of requests and >> and what does it mean when it says you can um resend your um approval of this?
>> I think that was the other form that you're talking about. Yeah, because that one had to do with the exemptions. >> Yeah. >> Um you can that was the other form. >> Okay. So this one is an optional. Okay. >> So >> I'm sorry your resolution done.
>> So this is an extra layer. You used I think the word extra layer of protection. >> It's to protect the city for the due diligence requirement, >> but it's not required by statute. >> Oh, it's it's it's the law as far as >> the city has to >> the form is not required by statute.
>> No, the form is just to protect the city because >> so >> we have no other mechanism. >> Right. So my my thought with what she's saying is if we look at her comments,
we've got what 120 house representatives and 50 senators who are involved in the making of the sunshine law. I remember one of the commissioners saying and they govern and that sunshine law governs in greater detail than what you
have in there. what can and cannot be done. So I think it's already addressed. Bigger government we don't need. I think that was Michael Holland's words. But u so I I don't think it's a requirement. It's uh
>> but but I think it's necessary to protect the city. This this stems from the case law and interpreting the sunshine uh law requirements, >> but it's not a required document is what we what what I'm trying to say. So, and
I disagree with you that >> Thank you. >> We're already doing that. So, I've had record requests and I did sign a lesser lengthier but more direct. So, we're already doing what we're doing. So,
we're prepared that form >> recently, but this is one that applies to all employees because we've also had it where we've had um records that we needed from employee. >> You don't give that form to the to the employees. >> This would be for them as well.
>> The previous form that you gave, for example, me, you you don't >> that one um that was a newer like we're trying to get a system in place for for our staff. So you don't give those forms to employees when they have information requests that you gave me?
>> Not no that those we had those two on given an employee >> just this was a new procedure >> and this is for everyone that's why this one was involved to include every employ >> and are the employees covered some of them by the the requirement for sunshine law compliance? Yes. But the issue here
is also that >> good. >> They do tend to um not be as familiar with the deletion requirements. >> Oh, I I I have faith in our staff. I think they're very intelligent. I think we've hired the best.
>> That's great. Um uh but there are some you know deletion requirements uh that we have and that's specified in the form to make them aware of it as well to make sure that you know they're not deleting voicemails or certain photos or videos that might have been taken with interactions with constituents and uh or
residents. That's you know something that came up a while back. Um and we had to go through a very extreme process to try to recover materials and in order to comply. So I want to that's this is a way of avoiding
>> they can still do the same thing whether or not but that okay let's vote on it I guess >> the issue here was just again to just make sure that the city is doing their part >> in um making the requests as they come in and then they just have a way of saying we made it and and we had the
individual in charge you know do what they needed to do and if there's anything responsive they supply it to the clerk. The clerk then determines if that's something that needs to be >> No, that's outlined in the sunshine law. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, so my main goal in this was to get
this discussion and to find out respond to what he had commented on and why were we adding to it if it wasn't >> necessary. He's not here today. So, I'm not sure if there was something different to that. >> So, so when
>> Oh, I'm sorry. When someone makes a request um for records, do they like I know I've talked to some of the other commissioners in the other cities. Do they pay here for the information? >> They do if it exceeds a certain amount of uh staff time.
>> What's that number? What's that? >> Believe it's 15 minutes. >> For the general staff, it's 15 minutes. Anything more than 15 minutes we charge for. for um either myself or Christine, it's a longer period of time because
that's inherent with our job. >> So, we already have a process for that. Good. >> Okay. Well, thank you guys for allowing me to um to have a discussion about it. Appreciate that. >> Since we pulled the item, then um if there are no other questions, I'll ask
the members of the public. >> Okay. Okay. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on resolution number 25-102? Seeing none, I want to close public input. Give it back to you, Mr. Mayor. >> All right. Um,
can I get a motion? Do we need a motion to either approve that or deny it? Is that right, Miss Attorney? >> Yes. I mean, we did have presentation on this before, if you recall, because this was on other So um just so that
that's mentioned. So >> where are we? >> So we brought so time for somebody to make a motion to approve or deny. Did you want to say anything? >> My only thought was um I'm not sure I
don't know what the will of the commission is, but uh because we're missing a commissioner. Uh we have the straw poll process and I again I don't know if we need to go down the straw pole process, but that exists in our rules of order when a commissioner is missing.
We could do that um to allow for Commissioner Holland maybe to comment on this. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, let's do that and then if uh based on the vote, then we'll decide if we need to table this item and bring it
back. >> I'm I'm fine with uh a motion to deny it. >> Commissioner Lee I guess I would too because I brought it up and I do I I had a lot of questions about it.
>> Yes, ma'am. >> Um, >> no, I think I think we have places. >> So, I would I would be on the same thing today. And I would be to approve. >> Okay. Well, we have three out of four.
So, we'll proceed with the vote. >> So, we need a motion. Motion to divide >> or approve. >> Or approve. >> Okay. >> So, moved. >> No. To make the motion. I'm saying we
>> didn't. Yeah. I make a motion to >> if you want to or anybody can or he can make a motion to deny it. >> So if you're making the motion make the motion >> to deny it and I'll second it. >> So I make a motion to deny.
>> I'll second it. We already have a straw p so we know where this is going. >> Commissioner Lee. >> Okay. Um, >> you you move to deny. >> The motion is to deny. >> You want to deny? You want?
>> Yes. Yes. I want to deny. >> I >> Yeah. Yay. >> Commissioner Asody. >> Yay. I to deny. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> Hi. >> Mayor Hawkins.
>> Nay. That's it. >> Okay. I thank you, Sasha. >> I apologize again. >> That's all right. >> We learned a lot today. >> Okay. All right. Next up, we have uh
future agenda items uh and comments. Uh Emily. >> Yes. I would like two things. one up for the future agenda items, an update on the cemetery. I like what I'm hearing about it and like it to be shared. Um,
also the I've been hearing about the um um completed um um pro program and everything that for the park and racks the completed um >> the Carver Park master plan.
>> Master plan. Master plan. Yeah. Um, I'd really like to hear it. It sounds like it's something we should hear. And since it's completed, can we maybe go over it and hear what's all the new things about it? And I also I want to thank um Ellis
and and our um uses and Bloom team for the really nice, as you've seen, the Christmas production for uh uses and bloom. So, I'm very happy about that. Um, we've had a meeting with the uh a very nice meeting with the garden club. I I don't know if
I mentioned that before. Um the uh Maldora Garden Club and they really are interested in working with us and we have a lot more things planned and so I I'm really grateful for all the support everybody's giving us and and providing us and working with us. So, thank you
all for that. >> That's it. >> George, how do you pick the order of how you do that? Um, >> I try and go with the one that probably won't talk the most. >> Okay. Thanks for picking me for not talking too much.
>> The only real thing I I have is is two parts. One, I was really really proud of our city and I think I'm stealing your gun, but uh really proud of our city on the show up that we had for Light Up >> and what Light Up looked like. Mhm.
>> Um I've been hanging around uh here in more involved in the city for about 25 years since and this is more people than I have ever seen and I think I can almost say more people than we had
uh with Michael Ray there which is just baffles me but with pride. >> Do we have a count? >> Um we do I guess so I I I am thankful >> for for that. I'm thankful for what
we're doing as we're growing as a city. Thankful that Sherry is is aboard with us. Um and and I really think we got a lot to be proud of that that we brought in that kind of crowd that everybody that was involved in this staff did just
a phenomenal uh job and and preset. So much goes into this. This thing is I don't know if most of the people here are staff now, but a lot of this stuff is contracted long out. These guys are working on this stuff for years in advance to have what we saw there. And
uh I it was a moment where I was really proud to to to be up there. I thank Willie for uh I thank our mayor, I'm sorry, uh for allowing us all to share in in the lighting together, which is something he didn't have to do. So I thank you for for allowing us all to
come together as a group. uh and be part of that. And uh other than that, I I just want to wish everybody uh a great uh holiday, a merry Christmas, whether people like to hear that or not, and wishing everybody the most important
thing, and that is our health. Um I thank the mayor for a year of service way above all of us uh in getting out there and u being everywhere. I'm really kind of tired of seeing him, but he's
He's he has he has been everywhere. So, thank you. Thank you for that. Merry Christmas to all and uh >> to all. Good night. >> And to all and to all. Good night. >> Sherry, you want to tell us something? >> Thank you, Commissioner Obaty for your
kind words. Good evening, commission. Um my name is Sher Moon. I'm the new director of events and communication here. >> Is this your first time coming before us? >> Actually, I know that's the running joke, but I think it's about the fourth time actually. Um I am proud to say we have looked at some statistics and we
have this great tool called Placer where we can the cell pings. Now there were a lot of children. I'd venture to say there were probably twice as many children to each adult. Last year they had 6,300 pings. We had 8,600 this year.
So that's quite the percentage increase without the children. >> So we're really proud about that. We're extremely proud of the team and um and we appreciate everyone's support and we we lucked out with fantastic weather. The Christmas cool air came in just in
time and folks were coming out earlier but uh really proud of the coverage and and the that we we did a robust marketing campaign to bring folks in from outside of the area, but everybody showed up and we really appreciate it. >> Absolutely. >> Happy holidays to you all. Uh, and I and
I said this to Sherry. I I she she hit the ground running when she got here. >> But she did something that I don't think we've ever done. And to get Leslie Gail to come out. >> Yeah. >> U, >> she expects to come out all the time. >> Exactly.
>> And with her co-host Chad, who's lovely as well. So >> So yeah, >> which gets us great exposure and the whole all the way down to Bard County watches that. We had great rush two coverage on their socials. Um, as well as airing the night of and then the
following day, the recap. We also had uh from the Magic 107, they have a lot of followers on their socials as well as Leslie Gail's personal page. So, we had radio ads running in Ocala and in Orlando over four different radio stations. >> Good job. Good job. >> And she seemed very happy here, too.
>> Oh, she loved it. She's already asking to come back. >> And when you talk vice mayor about an commercial that we want to make to put out. This is free. >> Yeah. >> This is great and touch way more people than we'd ever touch. >> So, you're right, Mr. Mayor. That was fantastic. >> Thank you all. >> Yeah. Thank you.
>> Thanks. >> Yeah. Gary, >> uh yeah, a couple things. Um can can at our next meeting, can we get an update on the CRA lots that we were trying to consider for at East Side? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um
um can we have a discussion about um using using city city letterhead to invite invite people to our city? Um we have a festival coming up in March that I would like to invite a lot of
people and unfortunately I was told I can't use city letterhead to invite elected officials. What are your guys' thoughts on that? You want to have discussion now? >> I I mean, we're not going to see each
other for another month. So, besides Friday. >> So, I clarify this. You want I I want to I want to make formal invites to other elected officials either locally or state using our city
letter ahead as a formal as a formal invitation. >> Aren't they invited anyway? So, you want to be able to put it in writing? >> Yes. >> If if I may, I to clarify, um, there is
a Japanese festival upcoming, I believe, at the end of March. The request was that the city uh send invites to certain people and the response was the event organizer should invite those people, not the city. That was out. That was
staff's feeling was uh the event organizer should and and the vice mayor as one of the event organizers could certainly do that as both vice mayor and an event organizer. The concern was uh should the city be vi inviting people to someone else's event. That was the
concern. >> So is and it's not a city event. >> We are uh supporting it through a special event permit. as my as as my capacity as an elected official for the city, >> can I not can I not make a formal invite
using our letter head to an another elected official? >> I don't >> I mean even if it's just invite R maybe let's let's make it a little easier. Take take the festival out of it. What if I just wanted to invite someone another elected official to come visit
our city >> or George F? >> Well, I think that's a city event. >> Well, >> yeah, that's a city event. >> What if what if it wasn't any event? >> What if it was? I just wanted the secretary of state to come down and just
look at our city and that's still a city event. >> No, take the event out of it. But if you want the secretary of state, you're talking about of the US. >> No, the secretary of the Florida >> just to come look at our city.
>> I think you're doing that as your capacity as a mayor, >> right? >> That's a that makes it a city event. >> Yeah. >> But if you're doing that in your capacity as a vice mayor for the Japanese, >> is that the same?
>> It's not a city. >> What's the difference? >> It's not a city event. But if he's if he wants to invite or any of us want I don't want to talk about him because it sounds if any of us want to invite somebody
to an event. Where is this event at? If I could ask. >> It's in downtown. >> It's in downtown. >> Mhm. >> Oh, absolutely. That's economic development. >> Exactly. >> An event in our town. >> I'm just trying to understand the thing.
Actually, Al, not to put pressure on you, Al should be inviting as many people as we can. Certainly, our Secretary of Commerce or Secretary of Sorry. >> Secretary Secretary Bird. Yes, >> that's Commerce. >> No, Kelly's commerce.
>> Okay. I'm for inviting those people. I I think we should even invite um quite a few people, get our names in front of them on our the more recognition we can get from the people Tallahassee, the more support we can get.
>> Well, that's that's that's exactly how I I I view it. I I mean, everyone everyone keeps focused on it as just a festival, and yes, it is a festival. But the thinking behind all this is economic
development. And the more people we can get to our city, I don't care who it is, the better. And why am I not allowed to use a city letter head to invite another elected official? One elected official inviting another elected official making
it a formal invite on city letterhead. I don't take the festival out of it. Take any what if it wasn't even a festival? >> And again, if if it wasn't a festival, it would be you as vice mayor inviting
someone to come. So them come it is the event. >> But Willie, what does it what mayor? What does it hurt? Where does it where does it hurt? >> I honestly I honestly don't understand the thinking sometimes and I and and
sometimes I understand why we're not where we're at right now. >> But but where where does it hurt, sir? Where does what bothers you about it that would hurt that we invite people into our downtown where we already got businesses hurting? This is what I'm thinking out loud. and we're bringing
feet on the ground. How does that hurt us? So I I I I get where he want what he's asking, but I want to ask myself or why is it hurt? I can't come up with anything. >> No, I I Yeah. And again, >> and I and I and I'm not asking for
staff's time. I'm just asking for the form and I can do it myself. >> I I think it probably has to be either approved by or I Yeah, I think it probably has to be that there's nothing in there that violates >> I understand that and I and that's
happened before. >> Yeah. >> So, so when Tom when you say he as the vice mayor can invite someone so he would form a letter and invite them and then sign out as the vice mayor. So I I guess using another example, if
African-American Heritage Committee were inviting people to that event, >> would it be appropriate for the city to invite people to that event or would it be appropriate for the organizers of that event >> to do the invitation?
>> And and it would be appropriate for the the heritage committee to do >> and for you as as mayor to invite it and be a member of it. You should >> I No. >> Okay. I mean, that's your choice. >> I don't I guess my I I I'm less worried
about the distinction of using letterhead or not. >> My concern is should the city be inviting people to someone else's event or should the organizers of that event? I I I guess again I'm less concerned about the use of city letterhead.
>> Well, we put it on our events. Is that going to be on our event sheet like the other private things we do from the that are on there? I I mean I don't know. I just don't get We're going to invite people to a big festival we're having in downtown and we don't want
this guy or any one of us to I I got other people now I think I want to invite including to to other things. That's that's an I don't think any of them are going to come this person. Sorry Gary. I don't think any of them are going to come. But >> I get invited. We all get invited to so
many things we can't go to. But it is a very respectful gesture to do that and to put that out. I think I think I think my thinking is >> and one more thing >> because because they are elected officials I think it is respectful to do it on a city letterhead. That's that's
that's all I'm >> and and and and and it's all it's really all about telling us's story >> and building rel building relationships and and commissioner body you're right there are so many businesses in our town right now that are hurting and if we can
get more people here to to see them I just don't understand the thinking >> I'd like a letter from all of us if we agree or whoever more than just one person if someone wants to join in. Hi commission. >> If it's okay that I weigh in on this conversation based on my experience in
economic development as a special event manager at the city of Chavaris. >> I very much run our department and the city as what we do for one we do for all. So I think it sets a precedent if you're going to personally endorse an event and you're maybe not doing it for
others as well. So it's just something to think about because municipalities have to consider all those things. Um, if you're going to personally endorse this festival and you set that precedent, then what about all the other permanent events that we have? >> He said endorse. I think he said >> well by invite by inviting them
personally inviting them. Are you going to personally invite them to every permanent event? So I think it just for me >> in my in my experience in municipalities because it is much different than private sector is we have to think about the precedent we set and what we do and
what we do for one we do for all to keep things fair and equitable. So if we're not going to personally invite everyone to every permanent event that's something to think that's just something to think among consider >> and and I appreciate those comments but we we are all involved in different in different events >> in different initiatives and I know
you're heavily involved. So, while I can understand part of what you're saying, actually, I don't agree with most of it. >> That's okay. >> Because we're all cuz we're all involved in different different events and and it's all about >> So, so she's saying that if we do that
then like if the African-American Heritage came and said they want us to be on letterhead, >> no. invite them that one of us want to invite um >> somebody else not not them. So the African-American committee is having their normal stuff they do.
>> Do I think it's right for us to invite Leburg which they invite us like crazy. Do I think it's right for us to invite our legislators uh Nan Cobb Keith Trun now? Absolutely. Do I think it's good that we get a letter from our mayor from you especially because you sit on the
board there saying we are inviting you and we would love for you to come >> uh to this event that is important to me if it is important to Gary or yours. There's nothing wrong with that. But there is a fine line Sherry's right where you have to be careful that we don't endorse what they're doing
>> and and we absolutely right because >> that's why the letter needs to be looked at. >> Yeah. Sending something out. You should be sending the letters for the for what you're what's dear to you, which we know you're on the board of that. Uh I'm not
on board of anything. So, but >> we'll change. >> There's a fine line there. You're right, Mayor. So, we have to uh make sure we're not endorsed. So, we don't want to plug someone what I think I got out of Sherry and not plug somebody else. But if it's dear to you and it creates economic
uh uh traffic in downtown, I personally would would like that. Now, do we want to attract somebody that might have a history of violence, somebody that might have a history of uh abuse? I know we have >> who makes that decision, Mr. Ped and they're talking
I mean I don't I don't understand where you took you took it there, but >> well the I think the sentiment here >> it's not a blanket. It's it's more of of you know elected officials >> having having maybe a policy a policy in place uh for this >> I don't think we have one but
essentially >> what's been uh transpiring as far as making requests that may need to be evaluated uh all that means is it has to come to commission for consensus right it has to have >> depend if it's going to be a third um a
non- city event that has to be approved by the city commission or We have to have a policy in place that will allow for review of you know contents of the letter and what and what would be deemed appropriate that wouldn't have to come back to commission for approval because
generally um as elected officials it's being done in your capacity as elected officials to either provide a recommendation or or or an invitation to typically city events. So, we could establish a policy that could allow for
certain caveats um that wouldn't require having to come back for commission. But typically, this would be an instance where if if if there was something happening with the Japanese committee um you could present it and if they're on board, then you're fine. It's just a matter of making sure that all of you
guys are on board as a commission as a whole and that the public is aware of the activities of the commission. >> Okay. So, that's a little different. He reminded me it's elected officials he wants to >> That's all. Yeah. I'm not I'm not I'm not going to send invitations out to 500,000 people. I'm just talking about elected officials.
>> And and and and none of you none of you have ever written a letter of support for a business or anything in town on on on letterhead for for anyone? >> I haven't done it. >> Okay. I'm done, Willie. Okay. All right.
Okay. Uh Tom, >> uh I just want to remind everyone that we have a workshop this Friday, December 12th, at 9:00 a.m. with Dr. Levy. That's at the women's club. Um also related to that, uh there was some
discussion at the commission um related to rollover items. U so we are going to uh have some discussion on that. Um, one commissioner did submit uh a list of items. Uh, so we've been pulling together information. Uh, we're going to
get some information out to the commission on that tomorrow uh, in preparation for discussion on Friday. What I would ask is any if any other commissioners have items on that rollover list uh, that they would like more information on, we're happy to pull
that together. Uh our plan related to those rollover items is to very specifically address uh the list that was submitted by the commissioner uh but also be prepared to address any of the other items uh if there are any
questions. So uh that's kind of a two-part workshop on Friday. Uh just a reminder that we've shifted the January schedule a bit. The first Thursday of the month is the first which is not a good meeting night. Uh so we will be meeting on the 8th. That'll be your
annual organizational meeting uh where you will select the mayor and the vice mayor and then assign people to various committees. And then we're also shifting the second meeting to the 4th uh Thursday. So that'll be January 22nd. Um
I do want to u we had an unfortunate incident uh last week. Uh while again unfortunate and tragic, uh I do want to thank uh our uh our team, our first responders.
Um excellent performance and kept kept an unfortunate situation from a worse result. Uh and so I want to thank everyone for all of their work on that. Um and uh we've got a great team. Uh so
I want to thank everyone. And then uh finally um while we will uh see the commission on uh Friday uh I want to wish you all a happy and safe holiday. >> That's it. >> All right. Thank you. Tell >> Mr. Mayor if Go ahead ladies first.
>> I do. I was I was going to say I feel a little bit uncomfortable just leaving something hanging in the hanging in the air. >> And I think we probably need to think in terms of of coming up with a um a procedure for this instead of just
letting it go and not addressing the the concerns and the issue. >> Emily, that is that's that's nice, but I don't know if we're going to have time for that um right now. >> We're not going to do it right now. No, >> the the attorney was saying that we would should have some procedures for
that. So, Emily is saying that >> if it's if it's not on city letterhead, but it's from the desk of >> Yeah, that's acceptable. >> Big old B letter. I mean, that's what I
do, but I just think it gives a little more weight and more it's more respectful to another elected official. >> That's just my thinking. >> Okay. >> All right. And I'm definitely thinking different. >> Mr. Mayor, if I can please comment on the on the uh city manager's statement.
Uh he was referring to a commissioner who submitted questions. That was me. Um, I I had concerns when it was originally uh brought up and I have sent um a while ago uh requests for the documents so that I could then address
them. And it's been it's been a little longer than I would like that I need to be able to review those things and get back to them my final scope request. Um, and uh, I I know there was a tragedy
that was involved up inside there, but I don't think the whole city was working on on that. I definitely don't need the fire chief or police chief. I talked to the fire chief about his item on there and I'm okay with it, but I got to have this stuff in timely time. And going
back to something that we've mentioned before, um, we got handed 484 pages three days before we come here. three working days really uh less for this one. Three 484 page
agenda for us to review. Now I don't know about the general public. I know most of the people in here in staff, but I would think that there wouldn't be anybody who would say I've elected you and I expect you to read what you're what you're doing for us. And I, you
know, I'm not fortunate enough to be retired like some of us, but we need we need to go ahead and amend this deadline. I'm sorry, Tom. Put a cut off for people who want ordinances that if they don't get it in by X, it goes to the next meeting. But I I I need time.
There's 484 pages and I'm reviewing another 500 pages on the budget stuff and I have questions and I can't even get my first rounds. I don't I feel like I'm I'm I'm not capable of doing our job. >> Well,
>> oh, I said respectfully, I I mean, I don't sound like a broken record, but I've been saying that for weeks. >> Yeah. Well, now I'm talking specifically about my request, >> you know, three most of the time. We get the agenda out on Friday >> and we have a meeting on Thursday. It's
still only three business days. The same thing happened here with and some of our agendas more than I've seen them more than 400 pages. They've been 500. >> This one's 484. >> I mean, >> I think it was 484, right? >> I mean, is that >> with exhibits and all? >> I mean, is that really enough time? I mean,
>> or that or we need to hire assistance for for the committee, which I'm not. >> So, related to the um the regular agenda packet, we are going to look at timing. Um, there's a lot that goes into preparing the agenda, not just in
getting you all of the information, but advertising deadlines and and requirements for uh open meetings. So, we're going to review that. Uh there's >> but I do want to let you know that it's it's it's more difficult than just saying let's shift everything a day
forward or two days forward because there's a lot of things that have to happen. >> You'd have to phase it in. I'm I phase it in but if we tell the people with the ordinances your cut off we tell them now right you have a cut off to get in this we just back the cut off three days or something and give us a week to a full
week so that we can get a hold of you and people and staff that we want to sit with. I had to talk to the >> fire chief on you know to ask him about his bunker part one. Something to consider is um we start running into the
previous meeting. Uh in other words, we we have a meeting uh that we have meetings the first and third Thursday. We then immediately turn around and we meet the next day on the upcoming agenda. And so if we try to advance that agenda packet
too much, we're not able to get something on the next agenda for you. Um, and so what I'm saying is it's complicated. There's a lot involved, but we're committed to looking at it to try to get you information earlier. Uh, related to um, the rollover item
specifically. We went back and we watched the video to try to get a feel for what you requested of us. It sounded like the consensus was you did want to talk about it at the workshop on Friday the 12th. If if you need more time, if
you need us to get you more information so you have more time, we can certainly do that, but we'd be looking at January 22nd because we usually reserve January 8th just for the organizational items. And so we're happy to do that. Um we we
felt the consensus was get it to us on December 12th. Um, we are pulling together spreadsheets. We'll have that to you tomorrow. Uh, but if that is not enough time for Friday, then we we're happy to uh move it to January 22nd if
that's if that's the will of the commission. >> The my email requests the information so that I can then come back. I'm I'm requesting those documents so that I could uh understand what's in them. Eliminate the ones I don't have a
concern for and if there is any that has a concern be able to address it. My goal just to be transparent is to prioritize what we have over there. It's funny that today they said one of the things I was suggesting uh that the mayor brought up I think it was you who brought up there's money or maybe it was Tom
there's money in the something to do with the the cover for the basketball. We can move that and give that Yeah, that was what it was. Yeah. How many years How many years has that been that >> Give that to Parks and Recre Dolan was still here. >> And I don't want to steal your moment,
but honestly, that was one we That was one that I >> that I saw. >> And that's then that's a perfect example of why we should be doing this. We need to reallocate that money if we're not going to use it. >> So, I should have had this I feel that I should have had this stuff sooner. Maybe you misunderstood what I was going to do
with it, but I requested it in writing a while ago, and I need that to be able to give you my my my concerns plus review uh everything. So, I just I want us to work together better. I want us to have the information. I want us five to lead
this community and and to foster communication. I know sometimes we get frustrated with too much talking like right now. >> Yeah. >> But it's bingo. >> But it's but it's necessary. No, bingo is is is a great game, but this is not a
game. This is No, no, it's dead. And you know, could there could there be more things in the in the budget that we haven't spent that we don't know about that we could maybe possibly reallocate? >> I need to get that and they should copy you guys on all >> I mean because I don't think the uh the shade structure money was in was in the
rollover that he gave us. >> Well, I requested it when do you send it to all commissioners? Usually when one commissioner requests something, you send it to all. >> So you all will get it and you can see your concern. But what I don't want to happen is afraid going to happen. We're going to get to there. Rick's going to
come up. We're going to say we're backed up. Uh the fire chief can't get his bunker gears because he's got to order. You're putting us in a situation where we can't act in the best interest of the community. And uh that's done none of it.
>> So again, I if if the preference is to move it to January 22nd, we'll we will work with you uh to get you additional information in a timely way. uh and we'll consider it on January 22nd if that's your preference.
>> That is but but sorry respectively. But is there anything that's left in that rollover that we need to take action on to be able to either do a purchase order or miss a miss a deadline or contract? >> I think we took care of a couple of
things. >> No, there was >> If there is, let's bring it up at that meeting and let's make sure we don't leave anything. >> Oh, you mean before the end of the fiscal year? >> Yes. end of year. Yeah, because I know Rick said there were some contracts out that he uh you know.
>> Okay. So, get us all that info. Let us make the >> For which state are you speaking of? >> Um I think he was saying if I would like we would move it to that other date and I'm saying yes, more time for us all to review it is good and talk about it and
have a uh review of the priorities. I think that one item we want to change that the mayor brought up. Um, and I don't know the other stuff because what I'm asking for now is the explanation of it into detail. I don't have it. So, I I I don't know. >> I do want to point out that you you
actually can't take any action on Friday the 12th. Uh, because that's a workshop. Uh, and so the final approval is going to be in January. Uh, regardless. >> Okay. And then we probably can't discuss it either. So, that makes a shorter date. >> No. Well, you you can discuss it at a
workshop. You just can't take final action. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if I have enough time to review what all these pages they give us. >> Well, do we want to keep that Friday? Because there may be some things that >> Well, we can't vote on it. You made it. >> Well, we don't want to vote on it. We want to discuss some things.
>> So, >> I know we can discuss that about the shade and move that over to parks. Is there anything else on there we can move? What else is our prior? >> I mean, there may be things like with the chief's bunker gear that we just say, "Okay, I'm for that. I can tell you right now. Yeah. >> So, things like that.
>> And Rick had some um projects. >> I think we should keep that. >> He was gonna push back. So, >> let's keep that meeting. >> I mean, I agree. We can at least talk about it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And there could be things could be really some lowhanging fruit on there we can take take off right away.
And I and one other word and I'm sorry I keep going but I really my I took this position or I ran for this position because I really want to try to make a positive leave it better than when I came in the trails. The trails the trails and I'll tell you that's where
I'm looking at too. We are now there are two cities left two municipality areas that don't have a trails uh project uh all locked up. You know who those two are? Eustace and Pine Hills. Those are the two according to Mike Stevens that I
just talked to. That's embarrassing to me as a commissioner here. So, the trails are important and >> Well, I mean, we are moving forth. Uh, we've done our >> Yeah. >> We were just hoping for the railroad every time though. >> Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, uh, we put money
in, >> right? >> I think you're going to you're going to find, uh, Friday's discussion. >> Yeah. Uh that'll be one of the priorities identified as part of Dr. Levy's effort. >> Oh, so he's going to talk about the trails. >> He will. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, he he will talk about priorities
and you will see that that is a priority. >> Okay. So, you have that in on there. The other thing that Mr. Steven said is one thing. >> Yeah. I'm continuing the one the same one thing. He said to us and and if you guys want to invite him back in, I I would love for you to. He said to us
that we need to have at least $2 million in our reserve. allocated for the trail and then we can get the 10 million balance that we need from his efforts with the state and out of the uh tourist monies. So, just for you to know, I never heard that till at the at light up
from him. >> So, we need $2 million sitting in there. Everybody else has it. It's funded. Mount Dora's funded. >> Okay. >> All right. That's part of our conversation. >> Amen. >> Okay. Great. Okay. Good discussion. Are you done? >> Yeah, I'm done. I have nothing else to
say. All right. Um, uh, I, um, I'd like to, uh, echo, uh, what Tom had to say about the, uh, the tra tragic event, uh, last week. Um, I thought our
our team just handed himself superbly. Um, Mike, you know, to to sit back and and and to watch him in action, uh, I was amazed.
Yeah. Uh, great job. Uh, Chief, excellent job. So, I I I agree with Tom. We just have an amazing team. Um uh last Saturday we had um uh an event at the uh the women's club,
a special needs event, uh PD Parks and Wreck. Uh we had at least a hundred of probably my favorite people in the city of Eustace. >> Was that there?
>> Then it would have been 99. Um but um uh you know they come no negative, no Facebook, uh no cursing,
none of that stuff. They just come to have a good time. Uh and I've invited you all to to come and be a part of this for as long as I've been doing it. And I'm going to tell you, I think that you all are missing out on a chance to meet
some of the finest >> people. Yes, last chair. >> Okay. >> Well, we're going to have a special needs prom in April. So, um I'm putting in my request now uh April the uh the
11th for you all to come and be a part of it. >> April 11th. >> Oh, yeah. I got Yeah. And uh last week our football coach was in town. Um
a young man from uh Alabama. He came with his family. He'll be here on Thursday. He's coming back um to be part of our Panther Pride uh event. He's driving back. Uh I was with him. We went
out to dinner. Uh he met with the parents. He met with the team. I think it's great energy uh coming. Um >> you meet with the boosters. >> Uh met with the boosters. He came to our meeting. So uh so I thought that was great. Um,
and without giving saying too much, uh, there were people that, uh, that helped with his lodging and, uh, they know who they are and I want to thank them for, uh, uh, for assisting with that and he
appreciated that as well. Um, you know, I say we have a great team. Um, and I say this all the time. We all say this all the time. Uh, this morning I had an event and I was coming back through downtown
and u next to the parking garage. I'm looking and I see someone up ahead of me and he looks familiar and he's walking around with a bucket and he's walking around with a u a trash grabber.
And as I get closer is Bryce. >> Good for him. >> Good for him. Um I love this team. Uh you know, you guys are amazing. Um I appreciate each and
each and every one of you. Uh you make us look good. Uh you you do you make us look good from the top to the bottom. You make us look good. Um,
merry Christmas. This uh this is the season for giving. Um, this is the season for being with family. Um, and this is the season for I think uh
kind of making us better people. Um uh blessings to you all and u safe travels and we will see you uh next year. >> Mayor, I'm I'm sorry before we can adjourn um I do want to ask Chief
Swanson to come up. Uh we've been presented with kind of an interesting uh media opportunity and so I want him to I I I'm sorry I for I meant to mention this and I forgot. Friday. Yeah. So, come on up, Chief. >> That's really cool. >> We got I mean, it's it's it's hard to
fit everything into the schedule as everything keeps happening, but Hearts for Heroes uh contacted me and they want to use our station 22 and our firefighters and stuff in their uh holiday safety episode that they're
doing. So that'll be uh the the actual shoot will be Friday and then the uh Saturday they'll be here all day and they're just going to do uh shots of the fire trucks driving around and uh that it's going to be it's going to be a great uh opportunity for useless fire
department to go on a national program and uh it's it's not like a commercial or anything like that. It's actually a program designed for 9year-old to 15y old kids. >> Oh wow. >> So it's and it's going to be on a I've never watched the show. I feel like a
15-year-old sometimes, but I haven't watched it before, but I went back and looked at after after they called me and it is it is a it is a fantastic program. So, we're really excited about it. >> That's the same day as the workshop. >> It is. Yes, it is. >> And what time of is it is this something you think we should be supporting and
showing up there? >> It's going to be all about the firefighters is what it's going to be about. It's um uh I may I might have to get out of here during the workshop just for certain things that they're going to be doing because they're bringing in uh outside talent. I mean, some of the
speakers and stuff that are going to be in the program or uh you know, newscasters and things like that. So, it's going to be a pretty big deal. They're bringing in professional crew. They're bringing in box trucks. They're uh it's going to be a big production. >> How long is this show or whatever they're doing? >> Uh the the episode I I believe is only
like, you know, it's a 30 40 minute show with >> And it's going to be all on >> It's going to be all on Well, it's going to be used. We're going to be we're going to be the parts in it. So, uh I mean, if you if you if you Google a Google of Hearts of Heroes, Hearts for Heroes
>> or Hearts of Heroes and uh just just look at it and you'll see what I mean. It's they they they do they get their message across, but they you feature a fire department >> and we're just going to be the fire department that's going to be featuring >> Hearts of Heroes or Hearts for heroes. >> Hearts of hero. I I found it here on
Google. >> Are we going to be at Eustace Elementary? >> No, it'll all be at the station. >> Okay. Are we doing anything at Usus Elementary this week? >> This week? Yes, we're do. Uh, that's one of the problems. We're going to be there Friday morning. >> Okay.
>> So, yeah, we have a lot going on, but I couldn't I couldn't turn down the opportunity. >> Right. Exactly. >> This is a uh unique and uh the irony is they actually called me uh Friday last week. So, we were pretty busy. >> Yeah.
>> Already at the point they called. >> Did some event that prompt them now or was this along a plan? No, I uh I don't know. I don't know how. I asked him how and he said just uh some of the people know you and you were recommended. I'm like, okay. Uh I can you know
>> any any e that's e economic development ready. >> Anything that we can I mean we have great people. I think our our firefighters are going to do a great job with it. Um we're excited about cleaning the trucks and getting everything ready. So they'll be here Friday. The big shoot is Friday. Uh they'll be in at 8. They
start shooting at 10. Uh, and it'll be 10 to about five o'clock till it gets dark and then the next day they come back and they do all the feature shots with the trucks and stuff. So, >> congratulations. Thanks. >> Thank you, >> Chief. Can you pass on to to your people
how much we we really appreciate what they did. >> Absolutely appreciate that. >> It's it's it's a it's a tough it's a tough thing to deal with. >> So, we're also working with that. So, >> we'll we'll make it through. Okay. >> You know, this actually this event
that's coming up is good. >> So, >> okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> mayor. You know, we've had a lot of tragedies, different things happen in this, but we also had some good things like that >> and um even the the um the recognition
we got with the Christmas tree things and like we were on channel on channels doing that. So, um there's a lot of good things, but what I really want to say is that when we go come to the meeting, um with with Dr. Levy, let's come with an
open mind and ready to work together and and to do better than even better than we did this year in preparation for next year. So, I I hope that we come prepared, ready to go, and with um our minds open to new things and working
together >> for the new year. >> I I agree. I think we and and I don't think anyone up here that can't say it. It started out rocky, >> but I think >> don't judge us, >> but I think >> but I but I think it's gotten I think
it's gotten >> relatively better. So, >> and thank you for the ornament if that comes from Sherry or or from the city or from you. >> It came from me. Don't you read the card? >> Yeah. Did you? >> Oh, >> okay. All right. Yeah.
>> Thank you, Mayor. I forgot to say that on Tuesday on Tuesday on the 16th and we're honoring Miss Barbara also for her 20 years. >> Okay.
>> And don't forget on your 20th we're not having another meeting. It's a parade. >> Yes. >> Mayor. >> Yeah. >> Do they announce it? >> Yeah. It's a parade. attorney. Thank you, Gail.