here. Uh this workshop we're going to go through our uh five-year plan um fiscal year 2627 to 3031. um different approach in us preparing
uh the capital projects this year. Um, we we're jumping on a little bit earlier than what we have in the past and we're also making sure that our revenues are
our best guess revenues are in so we can look at the fund balance and know what we really have to work with by each of the fiscal years. So with that, it kind of gave us rather than just writing a checks because we had the check in a checkbook, we're actually making sure we
got the account balance and going through and doing everything. A big part of determining what our fund balance was is doing midyear reviews of our current capital. So in your folder, there's a a spreadsheet, a print out.
It's kind of stapled. um across the top adopted budget, modified budget, anticipated total spend, and then the estimated return to fund balance. So, we got with all of the directors and kind of went through this and did it by
fund. Um so, you know, the thing if if it's a project in the general fund in the 001 and we return money back to the fund balance, it has to go back to the 001. If it's 10 fund, it has to go back to 10
fund. But all that will carry through year in year out as we're going. So we know what we're working with. So we went, we gave our best guess. Projects that are done and completed, we return that remaining money. If the
project was not going to be done this year, that got returned as well. And if it is something that we're working through and redo your estimate. You know, we're further along now. Engineering maybe is completed. We have a better idea of what
that construction cost is going to be for that project. So, we have better predictions. So, we were able to go through and and kind of look at that across the board. Um my my intent today is to not talk each
line item. I mean, I can have us here all day. Um, I'm going to kind of gloss over it and please, if there's any questions or any project specifics, just ask those questions. We've got the directors here. They're, um, able to
speak on behalf of their projects and we'll get you the answers that that we want. But, um, for our general fund, um, we're returning 352,000 out of this year. Um,
you know, one of the the biggest line items is the the ERP system. We're still moving forward, but the funds are going to be expended other years versus this year. Uh, our transportation fund, you'll see when we go through the 13 fund on the
second page. Um, >> while we're on page one, may I ask a question? >> Yes, absolutely. on the dog park. Um Carla's um relative said that she would be very willing to take care of this if we ask her. So um why are we
>> we are working with them. Uh we have reached out to them and Veronica in our grants is working with them. So that is a potential possibility. We're we're in contact with them. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And that that's um they're talking about covering maintenance. uh this 50,000 line item.
Um that was for some improvements that Sam wanted to do out at the park. So that was a capital improvement project for for the improvements out there. >> What do we want to do out there? >> Uh Sam, >> um well, we wanted to add a new side to the
park. Um we need a >> new side. >> Sod Okay. >> Um water feature for the dogs. The one we had out there was broke or damaged, so we need to replace that. Um, we needed a place for dog training as well.
They u they're no longer using our indoor facility. So, we needed to make a place for them fence it off and you know sh >> Okay. >> So, with the dog training does the city charge for that or how >> it's a it's a contracted service. So, uh
they'll pay they'll go through us to make the payment. We split it 7030 with the uh contracted instructor >> and it's utilized a lot by >> Yeah, they they have a schedule. It's all it's in our program guide right now. They just go into the pavilion at the um Carver Park
before we we we move on. Uh >> something that that George said last night. Um cuz we have the park for uh GT. Have we thought about the possibility of something like that for Tim?
>> Just name it. >> How about Sunset Park? >> That's what I was saying. >> Name it. >> I thought of that last night when you said think about stuff. >> I was going to wait for the appropriate time. Sunset Park is just a generic name. >> Yeah, >> it's definitely an option >> without hurting anybody or taking
>> awesome idea. We have a naming policy if you want us to bring that to the next. >> I don't care what the policy is. If three of us want to change it, we're going to change it. So, that's something to consider. >> If it's the policy is my was my point. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think Yeah. Yeah. We And I think the policy is if they've passed away,
>> but Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's the only time we've had any, but I mean, we >> I think consensus across the board last night from everybody, including myself, we, you know, we need to do something there. And again, I appreciate bringing that up because that that I'm looking
for everybody's ideas and and yeah, I think that's got some leg >> and that's I was thinking the same part sunset. >> Okay. I'm sorry. >> Yep. No, it's all good. >> The floating dock. That's the uh assumption of the airplane. Or is that
just in general for everything? >> Um that was uh the lighting improvements. So the navigational lights out on the end of the those docks got vandalized. Uh that was the line item >> in the walking dock one. Yeah. In the walking that that's what that line item was.
>> So floating dock really means lights. >> It is. It was the floating It's the improvements to the floating docks. So it's just a replacement of that navigation light. That stuff is super expensive. The the beacons. >> But that's the part behind gators where you walk down. >> Yeah.
>> Only for that area. But there were broken ones around everywhere. Right. >> So, we with that, we'll we'll go through and we'll investigate everything and get that fixed. >> Are we going to replace the roof on the community center? I saw two things about the community center. Are we going to um
um invest funding into those? >> I held that money. Um we are doing a P. We've been flooding it. the public works has gone through to check that piping and and make sure everything is set before we do anything before I've heard
and you know the the community center is up in the air a little bit as far as what we're doing and that's part of our master plan as well. Um we're going to decide what we're doing with that community center before we pull the trigger on any of that and I will definitely have you all in the loop
before we go out to bid on on the roof. So, we'll have the bid package ready. Um, that's not a whole lot of effort on our end to do. We're working towards that way. Greg's team >> Yeah, Greg's team's almost done. But before we put that out on the streets,
we need to see where we're going. And that's moving kind of quick again. And then from there, when once we decide if we decide that we're keeping the community center for a certain number of years, we'll make that decision when we go through. But as we go out to bid, we'll do a competitive bid and we'll
advertise it so we'll get the real numbers as as far as where we're at on that. But again, before I go out to bid package, I've I've heard and and I think we have some decisions that need to be made before we're looking at investing
>> three four $500,000 into it. >> And that's the entire roof. >> Yeah, that's the entire roof. Absolutely. Um Sam on rec on wreck w rec w track software is that going to replace that
wreck desk >> that that would replace w test desk >> cuz that's terrible. >> Yes the we're looking for something that's more user friendly for everybody. >> All right. Okay. All right. Good. And are we going to do the um for the
water plane um planes? Are we going to you're working on that too? We're going to put money into building something a facility for them to bring in the the uh what do you call water? >> Sea planes. Yeah. >> Sea plan. That's we'll get as we go through the projects for the upcoming
projects. We'll talk about that where we're at. You're just going our point on this is to is for you to show us what is left and what was carried forward. >> Yeah. This is the already approved
budget and what what we're doing. So >> So we'll address some of these budget items. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Later. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is kind of just to show you the efforts. I I have expressed interest in in doing this exercise and
it is an exercise. It took some time but you can when you look across the board across the different funds um we're rolling a total >> 3 point something 3.4 I think >> close to 3.5 million.
>> Yeah. 3,457,000 is going back into fund balance. And if we did not go through that exercise, our budget, our fund balance for the rest of the capital projects as we move
forward is off by $3.4 million. So we need this exercise done before we can walk into the capital and know what the pool of money we have for the projects. So basically we carried forward that 3.5
3.45 but we're now using it in this capital. You you threw it in the capital. >> I put it into this fund balance. Doesn't mean we're necessarily using it all but but it goes into fund balance as we look at the projects by the next fiscal
years by that account. I want to make sure we've got fund balance in there. And what that does is, I mean, let's just say it. What that really does is it better clarifies
why we wouldn't do a roll back, I guess, is what the real thing is. We're using the money. We're taking that money and we're reapplying it toward capital growth. >> It is. Yeah. >> That's what you're trying to say here, right? >> Well, it is. You know, the roll back is >> I think it's great. Responsibly.
>> Yeah. the roll back is just your 001 account, your general fund account. >> So, we're doing all of them. >> Um, you it it's again without having that to me, you have to have that number of what we have. And there's been some
times in the past I feel like we're looking at capital and we're picking projects and we're picking them by sometimes what feels good, what looks good, but it's like you're writing a check because you got checks in your checkbook and you're not checking your
account balance. This gets our account balance right. So, we're trueing up our checkbook before we ever even pull it out, you know, and and and that to me has to happen or we're upside down. Um, as we looked at the rollovers or the the
midyear, um, I stressed to everyone, I I heard the message last year when we went through the rollover, we will be requesting encumbered projects get rolled over at the end of the year because they're under contract but not done. But if it is unencumbered, meaning
we haven't tied it to something, you've lost it. So they have to get the projects done. And if it's not able to get done, it goes back and they may have to request it for another year. But at that point, it's hitting the priority. It's got to get prioritized. It's got to ride
to the top again. So we we did cut some projects, but we have to do that. and and the direction moving forward is we don't have a list of 50 items of of
unencumbered projects that and I was one of the probably worst offenders because I had the most projects. We would roll stuff over and roll stuff over and roll stuff over because yeah, we want to do it. we want to do it, but
the stars were not aligned or DOT is doing this and and there was always a reason to wait and kick the can down the street. But the meantime, we're looking at the projects and and
potentially offsetting something else that needs to be done, but we don't have the money because we're still carrying this project. So the approach what we're doing now is kill the project, bring it back, bring it back when we know we can get it completed. So we'll
bring it back in the requested five-year plan, but take it off of the list of what we already have on our books unless we're going to get it done this year. So it was it's a different approach. It was a different exercise than what we've done. Um to me, it's a different level
of fiscal responsibility. Um, it's easier the other way >> and potentially looks better, but in the long run, this gives us real budgets. I mean, this gives us we are
not assigning projects if we don't have the money. Um, also if we are not because we're going after a grant, we are not recognizing that revenue until we're told we have the grant. Uh,
for instance, Lake Willie uh, boardwalk. It's still on the list. It's been approved to this point, but the Florida budget's not been signed. So, we don't have that. And we don't know where that is. I mean, I think it's anybody's guess right now if if it gets signed and that
stays in there. So, we don't have that revenue accounted for for the grants and there's a different aspect of the project coming in. If we get the grant, we're able to expand much larger. Otherwise, we're just going in and we're
just replacing the wood. With the grant, we're putting cameras and lighting and a a kayak launch and and that's what that grant's paying for. So, um, the unfunded list has grown. Um, it also has a lot of the the waterfront implementation plan
in there as well. Um, which is, you know, that's 10, 15 years. Some of it's earlier, but we need to put that in because we need to know what our obligations are moving out the forward. So, >> hey Rick, how is our um bid bid process
going? Are we able to get bids in, you know, pretty fast now? because I know at one point it would take us. >> Yeah. So, um part of with our the stuff that's going through our capital department, which is a lot of this, um
we redid our RFPs and RFQS, >> uh where we were going in and rewriting everyone. We have a master template. We created a master template. Um work with Tracy Jeans on that. uh she got the you know went through her and I worked real
closely on getting that done. We've got something that's much quicker. Um so with that our the the CIP the engineering CIP department can get the packages turned around. She does not have to go through and redo or review
every single page in detail because we've kind of held some things as non-changeable. And a lot of that when you look at that boilerplate stuff, it's key to us being able to manage contracts because that's that's your liability. That's what's
going to keep us out of mediation. >> But there's some things we can change, some we can't. So I kind of did like a master sheet and you put the information in and then you just copy and paste it over into the document. So you're not changing anything that's other in that
master sheet. She doesn't have to review everything. She's reviewing a a much more like a top- down look versus that really detail look. My team is doing that detail look. So, we're able to get it done uh much quicker. Uh as far as
in, you know, there's depends on the dollar value. There's certain time frames statutoily that they have to be on the streets and and what level of advertisement there is. If it's under 100,000, if it's more than 100,000, there's different requirements um that
we're upheld to. Um, so some of them just by nature it's it's got to be out for 30 or 45 days. >> Um, and that's out on the streets once we're ready, but we were taking sometimes two and three months for my team to get it approved.
>> And if Tracy's got to look at every document or every line on a 200page RFQ or RFP, it was brutal. I didn't realize what we were doing to her engineering wise. So,
but as we start working, it's things are going really really well. Um the the purchasing department, the engineering department is working really well and we're getting stuff moved much quicker. Um also, we're seeing better numbers.
So, like the CMR package we had, we had 10 people submit. That's great. That's a good number. And that's something that that can carry us for three to six years having people on board and get good qualified vetted people. Now, we don't need to go through the formal bid
process because we've pre-qualified people. So, we're checking them. We're making sure they're right. We get them pre-qualified, then we negotiate fees, and we have the experience to be able to do that and ensure we're getting good
numbers back. So, So, I wanted to share this with you to show I don't know if you want to go through it or go through it on your own. You want me to go through it? Um, if anything jumps out, but again, we look
at it by account. So, the 13 fund is transportation top of the second page. So when those monies go back, they go back to the 13 fund balance. It doesn't go to general fund or it can't be sales tax. Um so it goes in there and as you
see when we start moving forward, this is our hardest account. This account is upside down. Um we are operating costs. The the money coming in for the 13 fund is gas tax.
There is a a formula that the county does how they disperse countywide. Um I don't know exactly what the formula is but it it's dependent on population and miles of roadway and they re-evaluate and although it seems as if Eustus is
growing I think we are growing at a pretty fast rate but when you look at Minola who got that turnpike interchange >> that completely changed their world >> and their population is booming their miles of roads booming so when that gets
reallocated ated. They're getting more, we're going to be getting less. Um, that's why we were hopeful to get the the that that penny sales tax would have gone through. It didn't. Um, you know,
so we'll that's countywide um is how this will come in where the money gets lumped in and it's it's that money coming in is is going to be set. I expect in the future it's going to be
less than what we are getting now. So >> reflectivity is that the the stripes >> that's all the striping stuff. Okay. Yeah. And we're going So we've got the report back. >> Um and we've got it citywide. We're going to bring in we've got a big contract. We
have some money for next year. We're going to let a big contract. And again, that's one that from the Federal Highway Administration, we don't need stripes. It is we're not required where we're where 35 miles an hour over. You don't
need stripes. Um that to me is kind of horse crap. I I I don't It's We need stripes and and it looks bad. >> Um so I want to go through across the board and get that done. That's
important. Um, so there's there's different levels of it. Um, you know, uh, down weights they put the RPMs, the little pavement markers, what looks good. Looks good. And that, you know,
that was county doing that. Um, I want to go through across the board and my plan is that this summer we're letting the contract off this 90. We got the rest of it. we're able to go through and do a lot and we'll bid it and then
we'll also tie the the winning firm to a continuing contract. So, as we resurface roads, we have them on board at those unit rates to to redo our roads when we go through.
So, we're kind of looking that's going to get us up to speed and then we'll look at at the maintenance as we do the new roads. >> See, you do we do the uh the concrete roads every other year.
>> Yeah. And it's just the money. >> Okay. >> It was just money. It's super expensive. >> Um just because of work, you know, you have to go go down you're taken down, you know, probably 18 inches from the top of the road. you lose all the curbs,
um the storm system and because what what had happened those roads that we have and it's real easy to see because those are the ones that have like that checkerboard break because the concrete base is breaking that goes right through to the pavement. And the unfortunate
part that concrete has rebar in it. They can do a full depth reclamation if it didn't have the rebar. They go, they grind that road and they reuse that road as the base material and they place it kind of they tear it up, churn it in place and place it. Because of the
rebar, they can't crush it in place. So, we actually go through, we cut it. The curbs on both side and the road base are all one integral pour. It is horrible and that stuff is super
super hard. So we go through cut it and we run it through our concrete chipper every other year. We reuse that that stone or we sell it or or do whatever with it. But um yeah, it's it's a lot because you got to come back recurb do
lime rock do pavement everything. >> So you prioritize which the worst rows and that's how you make >> Yeah. And it's 50,000 I think only gets us like three blocks. >> Wow. And I'm I'm sure we've looked for grants for this.
>> Yeah. And part of that um Greg got got a a grant through the uh state department of commerce. Um that is for uh the resurfacing exercises and got 1.5 1.6 >> 1.9
>> 1.5. >> Oh, that's right. That was his first right his first grant, right? >> Yeah. And it was just and I'm looking at it was like, "Yeah, good luck, man." And yeah, >> we did it in like two days. >> Yeah, we went in three. Those are the grants we need to >> we need to go at and that we had some
help statewide and uh started sharing what we were doing and that that pavement report we came to you a couple years ago, >> right? >> With that, that's how we got it. We told them what we were doing and they're
like, "Oh, yeah." They were super fired up about it that it prioritized and that that's going to offset a lot and that is going to tremendously help out the 13th fund. office build out. That's across the street. Correct.
>> Which where what p which fund are you on? What page? >> I am still on page two. >> Okay. >> Uh bottom says uh office build out 320. >> It's not on my page too. What's the number on the left? What's the account
start for? >> It is the far left like 13 14 20 10. >> I believe that's the fire portion. expire. >> It's under the building. >> I have on glasses.
>> Starts with page three. >> I'm looking at 0220. >> What is your >> He said page two. I >> have Mine's on this page. Yeah. >> Oh, he's in the book. Yeah. >> Oh, >> okay. We're not in the book. >> We ain't there yet.
>> Oh, y'all. Okay. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm already past. >> We ain't even started yet. >> Okay. Oh, believe me, I'm halfway there. >> I told you I'm not going to be here at 4:00. >> Are we good with midyear?
>> And want to get into the book. >> And again, any I mean, this is a lot of information. I think book's only been out for a week or so. >> Um, >> this is just good news. >> It is. >> Absolutely. >> With the one, you know, the thousand-year flood messed us up.
>> That killed us. It absolutely killed us. So >> is the is that extra money for that is that part of the covert is that taking that up or no that's all. >> So the the reimbursement >> we spoke that as a loan right? >> Yeah the the reimbursement is not in
fund balance is it >> the >> for the the PRM or the the >> the insurance reimbursement um it is in our projections in here for storm water. >> Okay. There is no uh there is no
reimbursement because their insurance got denied. Right. So now it's going to have to be some form of straight >> Springidge. >> Yeah, you're speaking Spring Ridge where we're I thinking our our insurance the city's >> insurance. So we got some money back on
the work we did. So we get >> like Marietta Hazard uh Palmetto. >> Okay. The other projects. >> Yeah. I think 700,000. >> Yeah. >> That we got back for those other projects >> that we should be getting back. Yes. >> But nothing for spring landing.
>> No, because that's theirs in private. So we are um you know right now as we have it in the agreement that is getting worked on has full reimbursement back to us. >> Lori's making the agreement.
>> Uh no Sasha's got it over to their attorney. You >> said Lori is making a House St. Moonlighting. She got a new ried >> when it's all said and done. >> That's Will. We put that in projected. >> So, so the Spring Ridge reimbursement,
is that in to projected reimbursement back? >> No, because it's booked as a liability. It has nothing to do with any of these discussions in terms of this. So when that does come back, that'll go into the fund balance on the accounts that it
came out of. >> Are we going to offset the expenditure? >> We did with the liability. >> Yeah, it's all accounting terms. Um when we get back it it will just come back in and reduce that liability or it's an
asset. >> It's just like it's an accounts receivable. So, right now we have it out as a liability, >> not a loan. >> Yeah. Receivable, an asset. I'm sorry. I got I mixed up. >> Okay. All right. Um,
>> I don't see a line item for candy or any of that stuff on here. >> No. >> Um, we I had mentioned that at the beginning, but yeah, I won't bring that up again. Um, We are getting lunch though. Let you know we are getting lunch. I don't know what we're getting.
>> Heard something about ice cream. >> One person's getting >> All right. As um >> starting I'm really starting to miss Tom now. >> We've all lost weight since he left.
>> But some people don't have to take insulin anymore either. Boom. Boom. >> All right. Moving in into the book. Um, >> the the first section is, you know, it's a line item of all the projects. Um, but
kind of what I want to touch base if you could go to page 13 in the book, the five-year cash flow projections. This is what what I'm looking at for fund balance.
So flip into that page 15 is sales tax fund. So 010. Um the bottom row is our fund balance.
That's where we're at per year. the 2526 being 626,000 upside down. That's more of a cash flow. So the
the budget year stops October one. I've got coolage under contract right now. So that expenditure is coming this year, but the costs are going to be some this year, some next year.
But this represents that contract hitting in full, not necessarily cash flow. So the the 2526 number um it's there. I teetered even taken that out. It's in it's committed. We've
covered this with rollover or the the midyear review. So the focus as we're moving forward is 2627 is going to be year one of the new budget move into 3031 which is year
five. The sales tax fund all in all is in good shape with the exception of one project 2728. We've got fire station three and as we go through we'll look, you know, we'll we'll go through the projects, but
that's a $3 million hit for the construction of that project. That $3 million cost has us going upside down and our fund balance. The end of that fund balance year, we are negative2,157,000.
So, if we want to do that job, something's got to get cut when we come in to next year budget. Normally, if I don't have the funds, I'm taking it to the unfunded project. The consensus
so far has been we need fire station. Our numbers are hitting. We're showing that. I'm carrying it here. We need to get money. If if we can't get some money in and and
I am comfortable we will get some. If we can't get that money in at that point, we got to look priority. Again, we've got two years. If it was this coming year, we have to make that decision right now. I want this on our
on our radar screen. If jobs are going through, we need to be super tight on the jobs this year that are under those 10 funds because we do need that money. Um, if we don't get the grants, the other options are come next
year when we meet, we're killing other projects. We'll go by priority and we'll see where the fire station falls. If the fire station doesn't fall on priority, it dies. Otherwise, other jobs it can go. I think life safety is pretty high on
everybody's list and rightfully so. So other things we'll have to give or we can look at doing a transfer from the general fund. But that's a decision I don't and hopefully you get the
feeling I am being pretty conservative with how we're looking at budget. Um I think more so than >> some years in >> to say >> um one one thing I from a layman standpoint because this this stuff is
still really new to me but >> just wanted to tell tell everybody this just a funny story. I was leaving um downtown and right at the light there on Orinich Avenue coming across right in front of city hall is to various fire
department running code three that way. And I said to myself, "Holy crap, they had to come from >> all the way out there to come through our downtown. I didn't even know they go that far, but I guess it doesn't matter, right?
Closest truck. Closest truck." That made me think if that was one of us, if that was our family, >> you know, >> it brings it up. >> I don't know what that response Yeah, it was a Yeah, it was a what do you call that? You know, one of those moments, but >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Like >> Yeah. So, that >> it makes it real >> and that is why I am making the exception of keeping this on there and showing the fun balance knowing we got work to do. >> So, it's it's we need it. Um
I I think uh you know that Grant's presentation she kind of showed what she was doing, how she's looking at it. She has been working with Shawn uh Keller really really closely. Um Sean's pushing her pretty hard on stuff and I I'm
comfortable something's going to happen or we will have an avenue >> but we'll fund that job. Um, I don't want to get drastic and pull the trigger on something this year. I don't think we need to. Um, but we'll be there. Uh, you'll see as we go through, we are
doing the firetruck. I bought the fire truck out of impact fee. So, that covered it. Now, it took that impact fee number and depleted that impact fee number and and we'll get there. Um, but we got the truck for that station when
we get to on&m. We kind of did I did a moratorum if you would that no new positions. We're holding budgets. Um doesn't work if you got a new fire station coming. >> That was my next that was my next thing.
>> So at that point had the difficult decision with Sean. I'm like See, you really need this. Do we need it now? Are these the numbers you need? Can we do something different? I need it. I need it. All right. >> Swanson says the same thing. >> Right. So that's his number one. are
cutting three people, but it's not going to come out of fire. So, what are we doing? And if we really truly want a balanced budget, that's a hard decision. Um, doesn't mean we're going to fire somebody, but it may mean that we're not refilling positions. And
and we don't know, we're not done with them yet, but across the board, everybody was given the >> kind of the the guideline, don't exceed last year's budget. I mean, it's it's we know where we're
at. Um, we've heard you. We heard you last year. We hear you, you know, throughout the year at the commission meetings. We need a whole budget. It's a tough time right now. The unknowns on the uh property tax, all that's coming into play. More of that will come in our
our June 18th on M workshop. But that's kind of where we're at and the mentality as we're going through. So, >> a question for you. Uh, how do we >> how many uh new people will we need for
the the station? Do we know >> three all the time? >> Three additional >> But you need more than three because you're rolling, right? But yeah, that's almost >> Yeah, I think it three. We're we're put doing three new positions this year and we'll do three new positions next year.
>> That that was my question. Are we going to start gradually? >> We have to because I think you'll have four open right now. >> We got two starting so we've had two spots open. >> Good. >> Because we had budgeted for three new ones mid year, April 1st. >> So those are in process.
>> Yeah. And and my so my eye and and again that's and M when we get there. So, we talked about the three knowing that at that point we had four. It sounds like we got two coming in, which is good. It's like there's no way you're going to fill seven. How long have you had the four open?
>> Exactly. >> And it's been open for a while. And I was like, let's put it mid year. Let's just show it as half year. >> Now, if and we did this with PD. PD had a candidate come in and chief came to us and he's like, "Hey, I got this guy. I don't want to cut him loose and have to
try to get it because the budget comes October 1st. That doesn't make any sense, you know? And it's like, yeah, we're a little bit limited because this is municipal and not private, but I don't care if if we got the money in there, let's do it. We did it. We got
him in. He's full. We're not scrambling to fill the spot. Kind of the same here. If we get in and it's October 1st, I don't feel like this is some magical date that, okay, I can't fill until, you know, March 1st because that what if
we have people, we're never at full capacity. We're we're never full. There is money in that account for personnel. Pull the trigger. Bring them in early. Um, you know, so we're good with that. But I just think the reality of of how the cash flow is
going to go, I don't think we're able to sell them all, you know, by October one. So, let's be more realistic. We'll still be looking and if anybody comes in, we're going to we're going to grab them. >> Okay. >> So, that that's that's a negative on the
sales tax. The other one I want to show, and this is I don't have the answers. Um I don't know. I don't I don't know but it's the 13 fund and you can see 2425 we had 1.5 million
2526 750,000 26 27 460 2728 we go negative we continue to go negative something's got to change um the you and a couple things to And I
know that this is a lot of information if you're not used to looking at it. And I am more than happy to sit down with y'all oneon one and and kind of kind of go through and show you some stuff. But kind of the the top the first big thick black line is your total funding available.
And let's just pick a year 2728. We got 2.9 million. The total expenditure is three million going down. But you start looking personnel is 1.5
operating is 850. Your your cost just not even capital projects but just your on&m costs are equal in what the revenue is on that count. Um, so there's something that has to happen.
And again, this is the one that's that's gas tax and that's why that that additional gas tax is so key. Um, you know, not getting into the county stuff. But anybody that fills up as they're driving through Lake County, whether
they live here or not, are paying that gas tax. So I fill up here, I go back to Orange County. I'm I'm paying the gas tax. That's money. That's money for everybody that's here, not just the citizens. But but
again, that's just not not my circus. >> Does the taxes increase as the gasoline prices go up? >> Um it's it's no, it's it is like a penny. It's it's off of a certain number
of pennies allocated per gallon. >> So, I sure >> one of the things that Rick forgot to mention earlier when he was talking about it. The gas tax when the county comes up with their formula, part of their um equation is expenditures
and ours are low because we do a lot of self-performing work and that's one of the reasons we had thought about moving all these people to the general fund which would hurt the general fund but we want to leave them here to show that we we legitimately have these expenses in
the transportation fund. >> Yeah. You're saying it would help us in get more getting getting more of that pie. Is that what you're saying? >> It's a small piece of the formula is the actual amount of expenses that you >> How much can that help us? >> Did you play with that? Is it 100 grand,
five grand, a million? >> I don't really know because I don't know exactly how the state does their calculation. >> Um, but the second part about that is also it gives us a truer idea what the actual expenses are. What does it actually cost for us to do our roads? If
we move them out to the general fund, we kind of lose that information. >> So, it's a truly >> detail. >> So, you know, we can rather than transferring the people, >> we can make transfers back from the general fund over. But again, that
that'll be an O and M type thing. I'm just >> kind of the we never really go through and do this part. We just jump right into the projects. this is what has to happen before we
start looking at projects. So, I kind of wanted to share this type of stuff and the challenges moving forward. Um, storm water fund, the 49 fund, I'm just going through the bottom looking fun balance. I'm positive. I'm good. I'm moving on.
Um, CRA, we're in good shape. uh water and wastewater, you know, which is the 40 fund, the 42 fund. Those are all looking good. Um the the 20 fund is is of interest. Um
that's page 20. That's a building fund. That's Robert Harper's team. Um there is, you know, the purchase at 21 North Grove, the Wells Fargo building that came out of there. Um also the the first
phase of getting his shell ready, you doing the remediation work and putting the sprinklers in and stuff like that is coming out of there. Um there was uh state statute passed that as of July 1,
those funds cannot be used for a purchase or an improvement of buildings. >> Perfect timing. >> So that's why I put that Seymour project out to bid because that's the only way
we can encumber those repairs is to do construction management at risk. we can get that under contract. I'm trying to get it for the June 18th meeting. We may need to call a special meeting because it's only going to give them, you know, give the contractors two
weeks. And if I don't give them the time, we're going to pay for it. >> I'd rather give them the time ahead of them do good numbers. So, we'll see where we're at at the end of June. We may need to call special meeting to get that contract under, but we got to get that contract encumbered >> or we can't use it for that.
>> Wow. >> So, There's We're thinking we're not just sitting. We're thinking. So, it's we're hustling. Um, we got the design really close. Uh, Tuesday, we're having selection committee on the Seymour.
Whoever is is we think is best suited for that type of work, we're going to be meeting with on Wednesday. So, it's it's going to move really fast. >> You do you need a vote for that? Is that why we would have a special meeting? um just when I get their contract. So, we'll meet with them, go through the
work and and negotiate a GMP at guaranteed maximum price and it'll have some allowances and some contingencies and it allows you to have like 80 90% drawings done and then they do all the bidding. We take and look at their
books. So, they have to have three bids for drywall. They got to have three bids if if there was roof and there's not. The reef's in good shape. uh the fire suppression, they'll have to get three bids and they have to do, you know, three sealed bids and then they show us
that they went with the lowest. The difference of a construction manager versus a city, if I go through and get three bids, I can get, you know, Bob and his house cat are are
bidden and they're low bid >> and it is real hard for us to kick them out. We've done it, but it's hard. These guys can actually go through. They don't have to advertise everything. They can use relationships that they have, people that they know that they that can
perform because they're carrying all the risk, all the liability. So, they they can go out to three people that they know can can get the work done for them and turn that in. If we have people that we want to put on to it, we can tell them to add them to it as well. >> And who is that that you're talking
about? This is going to be the construction management at risk people the contract that we're letting um we've got we got 10 firms proposed. We're I'm going to be doing mine this weekend. I'll evaluate them this weekend. >> Is that the people you met with in
Samford too that showed you? >> They are one of them. They are one and they did um that's Wharton Smith. They did um Bates Avenue wastewater plant and they did that as a Seymour job and it it takes a lot of negotiation. You know
that one first came in their first number on their GMP was like 13.5 million. We negotiated we we fought we a lot of that is risk. You look at a risk register with us being the city and me having your trust. I'm willing to take
more of the risk than give it to them. and I'll take that risk and carry it and then I carried it in our contingency so I didn't put it under contract. So they're 13.5 million job we did for 10 million >> and we got it done. You know, we got it done
on time. Um it makes the process go a whole lot better. >> That's unbelievable. >> It's our engineer. You bring >> That's the fire truck and fire. >> Yeah. So you bring in the the engineer at the same time they get started while
the engineers are about 20% design. So they're weighing in at the same time there there's something called value engineering but it used to be back in the day you finish your plans and then the contractor would value engineer it and whatever they took out never worked
because they're missing what the engineers did. And and a lot of times it's real easy to look at, yeah, I can cut $50,000, but you're missing something that cost you $100,000 to to fix that $50,000, you know. So, this you do during the design
process. Um, a little bit more on the team, but we got a good team. We got we >> we can do it. >> So, >> you're talking about the in-house part. >> Our in-house. Yeah. And we get our the consultants that we have on continuing.
They're able to do this as well and that's why they're on there. We don't we don't just go with anybody. We're pretty picky on on who we use. So, >> hey Rick, I know Rob may not want me to ask this question, but but what other stuff can he do with his money?
>> Um, you know, that has to fund his operations. So we are looking at that like when he go through to get trucks you know his trucks will come out of there basically he is he is dependent on this 25 that
that does everything the only thing we can't do is buildings and that's because of the new legislation. >> We do personnel out of this. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Y >> then these numbers are going to change significantly before the end of the year
once we have um the contract amount and also um what um Robert projects for loss reduction of revenues. So our 2.5 million in year five is going to be
significantly less than that. and some of the buildout work that we're doing now where that that's where we got into the Semark conversation that's hitting that's hitting this year. >> So I'm I'm bringing to you a budget
amendment to where we're taking that out of his balance and bringing that in. So everything is going to be brought to you and explained at that point in the public setting >> and uh then we'll tie that into that contract. Okay. But again, just things
that are out of the ordinary, I'm I'm hitting. >> We raised the permit fees, right? Or that was just impact. Did we raise permit fees, too? >> Just impact fees. >> Do permit fees go up with cost of I see it's a good line item number.
>> I Yeah, I don't know when the last time that has happened. Um >> should keep up with at least >> Right. we need to and I know we've got some um I was talking I know our our fire inspection fees
are lacking um and I think we're going to potentially catch that. I'm not willing and I I hesitate on even saying anything because I know somebody sitting in the middle up there is going to get real excited about it. but getting a way
for the BTRs to go away and getting that and when we do all that we fix our fire impact uh or the fire inspection fees because all that's tied in. We are short on that right now that gets adjusted. So, it's it's going to be an overall
process on that. >> So, it it'll become fire impact fees, not BTR. Um it would be it it's we're going to have to adjust um off the the inspection, not the impact the fire inspection is. >> Um because through the BTR that kind of
trips it. So um Sean's looking at it. Um >> keep in mind that >> I'm sorry. >> Yep. No, he's got some ideas, but we I've I've got to get I'm not fully up to speed on it yet, but we,
>> you know, I've heard that we want BTR is going away. So, we're trying to make that make that to do, but I don't want to do a knee-jerk reaction. I want to make sure we're right and and fix a lot of stuff while we're going through do it because we're going to have to bring that up and and go through
it and talk about it and get it into the ordinances. But I don't want to see the BTR go away and then an overall fire fire um
fire fee come back on the taxes where I would rather the permit fees and the new business coming into the city pays for their impact rather than the existing businesses and residents have to pay a fire impact fee. I we've never talked about it as a
whole, but in the tax that came through last year, you know how we always say that the county is the lowest uh tax mill rate and all that in total and and we're pretty good. Well, I don't know if you guys pick up on that, but for a business, the county is the most
expensive last year because of a this fire well, just a fire impact fee. So why not consider the ideology of making the new people who are permitting coming in bear
more of that than the existing people already in the same way with talking to some of these builders and contractors like the Doris one that we've got coming in and try to get them to to carry the impacts of of their It's only fair,
>> right? It's only fair. But >> right >> and that that also dubtailing that is a street impact fee. >> The the county does a street impact fee. We don't see the benefits of that.
>> Um >> so they don't get any impact on our local roads that we have to take care of. >> It is small. They meet with us every year. This this district they have the county broken up. I believe it's five different districts. This is the smallest amount of funds out of the five
districts. >> I mean, I think that's brilliant. Why aren't we charging the >> And we could road impact, >> right? We we can do a a street impact fee >> if it doesn't work for them, then that that'll slow down what Ashcraft wants. Slow down some of If that's it
>> and that and and that makes a lot of >> But don't make the everyday citizen have to pay >> it over and over again. Agreed. >> Yeah. Pay for it on the front end. We'll be bringing several um revenue alternative options throughout the the budget process. >> But you see my mentality don't try to
minimize impacting the existing people who have committed who are here versus the new people who are coming in. I mean we're expanding our fire department not because me the three of us are calling the fire department more or need more that are up here. We're expanding it
because of >> 240 units are coming here >> and on and on. So, >> if there's a way to make them pay for it, make them pay for it and then and and get it. >> Great. >> I mean, these developers come into town and they leave with 10, 20, 30, $50
million. There's a big number there. >> Yeah. >> And they put all that into their performance. >> Yeah. Make them pay for that $3 million if we could figure out a way for that fire department. You know, the other the other thing too and and getting in the weeds a little bit, but >> we are, but that's
>> I know when but it's important stuff and it's it's kind of what's happening to me. This overall ideology is more important than hitting the line item stuff. Um, >> right. The ideologies. Exactly. It's we were looking at back in the day when when we were
talking the ISBA um that development off of 437 out you way east of town when we first talked to them. I had talked to them about giving us an acre for a fire station and they were going to give it right next to the substation
and yeah the electric substation which the fire guys like I would be right by the substate but it was like hey it's free land but we talked to them and at that point of coming into the developers agreement say hey we need a fire station
out here because if we entered into that ISBA we were serving that area and we had to be out there. They didn't bat an eye at give us an an acre of land. It was a large project, but it you negotiate it on the front end and
there's a lot that can happen that we don't always necessarily do. Um, and I know we are >> I think it's going to change >> and I know we are chasing a squirrel in in a different direction, but u but because of the doors landing thing coming up and everything,
>> you know, for me there were some legitimate concerns over there that I think are legitimate. So we those guys gota I think they should be contributing. See, the road isn't really our expense, so it's not going to
help help us, but the permit the it's too late to hit them for anybody for permits because they've already applied. Is that the deadline once you >> Yeah. And I think as as we come through, you know, when you're hitting the the
land use, the annexation, the all that that rolls into the developers agreement and we need to be more aggressive on the developers >> and the the the permit fees tax getting them for that. They can't negotiate out of that, right? Um
But we can't really raise the permit fees because the permit fees can only be funded used to support the building fund >> and the building fund is quite healthy as it is >> and that's if >> we got to find some other ways these people got >> that the building fund thing and that
was part of the legislator the legislature excuse me if um that gets too much you got to give it back to the developers and you beg of that headache. Yeah. And it was just like >> or start reducing your fees.
>> Yeah. >> Well, when >> the ideology like you said, apply it somewhere, find >> where they could pay >> and have the and this type of conversation helps. You know, it's like it gets you all thinking about I can get in your brains and see and and we figure
out where where we are and and what works and have those conversations versus just chugging along, you know? It's like that's not working. >> Yeah. I I I noticed just um when my
properties in toaries when you look at >> even your water bill everything that they do there's so many more fees that they have compared to ours and um and it's just loaded up and you you pay it everybody's paying it you know so I think we got to consider those things
too what where which areas can we >> get more pieces >> I without impacting existing people to pay for new people's services. That's the key. That's the point I was trying to make. The ideology I was trying to make nail them if you want to call it
that. I don't care. I'll say it in a public meeting. >> But I'm hearing, you know, I'm hearing we want to slow growth >> and that, you know, like like uh >> we're never going to slow growth. >> The No, but the vice mayor's comments is
is we need to get in front of we need to control it. Maybe control the growth. That's a way. That's a way. And and we're going to look at it and say it it's each of the projects coming in if if they Yeah. There's going to be a point of the tipping scale, you know, as the the
developers are doing their performance. If we increase our fee so much, they're going to stay county and then we lose control. And but but where is it? There's more to people want to come into the city for more reasons. >> They're not coming here because they
like us. I mean they're they're they'reing in because the numbers >> the the right work >> the numbers work the densities work yeah >> the counties >> and clobbering them >> so that needs to weigh in but I'm hearing
where we're going and they >> it's the best thing when they come in you know existing people if we told the lady was talking about extra uh landscaping and walls separating uh and all that you know make them pay for that and make
them pay make them beautified. Make them contribute to you. Got it. You understand what I'm saying? >> Yeah, I'm with you. >> Don't make the existing people pay the extra tax for something that some new people were causing to come in. >> Ongoing maintenance and everyday
maintenance. Yeah, the whole city should share it. You know what I mean? But not but not >> we're behind. We're behind in what other municipalities have been charging people for. But what I'm asking is that we tweak that and
that it weighs heavy on the new the new stuff coming in, not on >> the not on our existing citizens should should bear a lesser margin >> and and that and it's a lesser because I think because some of it we have been so
nonreactive to making change. Some of these rates haven't been adjusted in 20 years. I saw that we met the last one we did that was seven was it 17 or 12 years we had >> impact fees right for
>> you look at page 21 just the fire impact fees we were collecting less than 300,000 a year and after the increase we're looking at close to half a million or I'm sorry we only collected 40 grand a year where after the increase we're
collecting closer to half a million so that's going to make a huge difference >> and who was here complaining for that just building uh association. >> Yeah. >> I'll take them all day come and talk to you. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> So, so that's we're
>> as we adjust some of it will go to you know to the residents um you know as you go through and fix some of that but like the impact fee one that's developer >> and and I think we really need to look at at going developer. >> I don't know what some of it means. Some
of it's going to the residents but I'm not crazy about that. Yeah. So if >> other than cost of living is normal >> the Yeah, >> we can move on. >> Yeah, we'll get there on the other. >> You got we got the ideology and I think everybody here likes the ideology.
>> Who doesn't mind making the new people pay for it? >> Um park impact fee. We're our fund balance is positive. We get a little tight. 2627 that's page 22. Um law enforcement impact fee. Um, so as
we're going through the their numbers are good. They were getting up. Um, it said 2829. Uh, I was I was when I I went out on that that joint project with the sheriffs and
Mount Dora and the equipment that was out there that we don't have that people are bringing in. I was like, we need Bearcat. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's like we need that. um there's maybe some funding for it, but we got impact fee and you're limited
on what you can use the impact fee. So that year 2829 that half million dollars that's barecat wasn't even in the the budget but when you look at it and you put it in the right funds and the right accounts it's there. um the the 500,000
and 2627 that's to help on the EOSC build out. So the the funding is there. Um we just have to be smart on what we're doing with it. >> Are are we able to get funding for those
barricades like they have in Mount Dor? >> Yes, you actually approved that last night when you approved the budget amendment for the forfeite fund. So they can they'll be able to proceed and buy those. >> Okay, perfect. >> They've been ordered already. Okay. >> 24.
>> Okay, good. >> So So that's I wanted to hit that part first. Now we can jump back to the beginning and go through project. So any questions on my approach on how we're looking at it?
So, it's I know as we've done the reviews many times and and I would definitely take your feedback and criticisms if this is helpful or if it's not. Um, let me know because we're into this for an hour and haven't really
started talking about the projects. But to me, we can't do this without knowing where we are going. >> So, um, jumping in the table of contents are all the projects. Um,
these are broken out by fund and page three gets us started. Um, ideally in a perfect world, we only add in year five and everything moves forward. So,
what was year five last year is now year four this year and everything moves up a year. Five years from now, um, the projects we put in this year we'll be talking about doing for that. Um, so as
we go through, we put these in. We do shift projects back and forth a little bit just as need comes up or as failures or maintenance items um, you know, dictate, but otherwise we try to get our new jobs in as as year
five. Um and then also as we do we've gone through I think like six different iterations to where we're checking okay so as we have this what is our fund balance doing by year and are we making a budget that actually
works for five years >> we're page three >> and that's the goal. Yeah. Yeah. So, as we go through um we're looking at this, so the 26 27 um for the general fund, uh we're
looking at 1.4 million and those are the jobs that are in there. So, the RecTrack software we talked about um 150 grand for the storage shed out of Park and Wreck to put all his equipment in.
um stuckco the women's club. The the women's club building needs some work on the outside. >> So >> I'm lost. >> Yeah. No, no, it's get on there. So page three. >> Okay. Three of 178.
>> Yep. >> Sorry. >> No, it's all good. So >> I'm still thinking about impact. >> It's made an impact on you, huh? So, and and I'm going to I'm going to focus talking about 26 27. Um, you know,
that's that's a year that's what we're looking at to be able to move and get tied in. Um, and then any you I'm just I'm glossing over them. Anything you have questions wise, we've got the directors here to be able to speak and and talk detail if if I'm unable to
answer your questions. >> Question for you. >> Yes, sir. >> Um, we're We're holding out on the roof for the community center, but we're looking to spend in the next two years 150,000. >> Well,
and on the community center, the the generator >> community two years of 75,000. >> Yeah. >> If again, we're putting it in. I don't know where we're going. If you all tell me today, don't spend anything. We're
getting rid of the community center. >> It's dead. I mean, we'll take it out. Um, we're not going to spend the money. If if we keep it >> uh for three, four years, it's probably a prudent cost because kitchen's rough. Yeah.
Um, you know, we got to talk about the roof, but when we get those numbers in, we can look what makes sense because at the same time, I've been talking to to all y'all about the, you know, the downtown master plan and the initiatives and and a big
sticking point for us is what are we doing with the community center? >> Um, so as we have that next workshop, we're going to be talking a lot more about that as well. So everything's kind of tied together. We need to figure out where are we going with that and what are we doing
if if we're going to keep it, man. We need a roof in there. It's a mess. Um we need the kitchen stuff going. I I think, you know, Greg got with the building department, got Robert and Phil, I believe, came out. Our guys
flooded all that pots. We're really looking to find root cause of what's happening there and what can we do. So those decisions are all going through and and as we get there, as we're working on on what do we do with the
unsolicited proposals, the the game plan of what we're doing with the implementation plan, what is the future of that building? And then we will weigh in the costs and timeline those costs and see what makes sense. And and you all will have input
into that. I promise you I will bring that to you. >> Does a splash pan work? >> Yeah, >> it does work. We've got some settlement underneath there. There's like that muck has compressed over the years and it and
it yielded and caused that to break out. Everything does work. We've tested all the components. They work. Um we're looking at bringing some geotech um in there. Maybe do like some grout. A lot of those areas like the band shell has all been grout stabilized. Um the
Chamber of Commerce building has had probably a thousand yards of grout stabilized underneath that a bunch of years ago. So the soils are a mess. You know that that fair park's all filled. That used to be the lake. That's all fill. >> Um and it's settled. Um there's 100 foot
deep muck pockets. Um, so, so there was there was there was muck that was identified underneath there. They did hand auger borings that went down about 25 ft. There's a layer of muck that starts about 40 ft. And as we did the fill, when you put those improvements on
that squeezes and you got a big concrete slab as that squeezing, that failed. So, we've got the geotech guy. We've let that contract. They're coming in to look at it. Um before we do the fix though, is the pool staying
there? Is the pool moving there? Again, as we're going through is we got all the all the pieces. So again, I'm going to be talking to you before we pull the trigger on doing the fix, but right now it's working. We we did some repairs that are are maybe less
than beautiful. Um I recognize that. >> Um but we have a safe facility and they can do the splash. They can run the splash, right? >> That's what I was wondering if we were going to spend funding on that. If we were thinking about moving the pool, I'm sure that that would go away also. >> Not without your input.
>> So, yep. So, and that and that's kind of the the push on doing these every other month workshops on the master plan. >> Hopefully, you're finding them beneficial and and seeing how if we
really are are doing this. He a lot ties together and and the last thing I want to do is drop $350,000 on a roof. 200 $250,000 on a roof and um and then
turn around and and change that building up. I mean, that that's that's not prudent. Any questions on any of the general fund expenditures? >> Big hit on that ERP system. That's what
is really uh driving that cost up and we've split that between general fund and the uh 40 fund the utility funds >> that American in Bloom. Does that encompass also staff and everything or is that just hard money for plants?
>> That's hard. That's hard money. What that is, that's that's $20,000. So the $100,000 there, that's 20,000 to design next year's project and 80,000 to build this year's project.
So we we've got a a design job for that pocket park. So they're doing some hardscape and they're the kind of that sick palm tree is going away. >> It's gone. >> It's good. So yep. So that that pocket park
is going to change. That'll be the construction job for next year. So that's the engineering and and >> um does part of Ann's either pay or whatever you want to call it for what she's doing in that hundred >> or is the library carrying all that? >> The library is carrying that. This is
just capital improvements >> and the 80,000 was going to be for what? >> That that's for construction. So 80,000 for construction and it was >> it was something that we wanted to do so we could keep the projects going in perpetuity. >> So that's why you see that $100,000 line
item go. It goes up to 115 year five just because we're forecasting inflation. If a project was to come in that, you know, commission felt was was monumental for us to do above and beyond
outside of that, we would bring that in as a separate job. Kind of like how this got started at Clifford House. It wasn't in the budget, but we talked about it. I did some numbers. We did some design, came in with the numbers for it and then presented it to commission and you know
we did the the budget amendment at that time. Um rather than having to do that every time because again that's that's not a good fiscally conservative approach to stuff is fine we want to do something and yeah we go pull go through and pull fun
balance. That's that's not you can't run in perpetuity that way. Yeah, you're you're going to hit your fun balance. Um, so it's that's why we did that $100,000 in there every year. Jump to sales tax, which is the bottom
of that page. and the next page. So, we do have >> How long have we been asking for this bus? I've heard about this bus for the last couple of years. >> We've asked, we pulled it. It was a bus
and then at one point it was like, we can do this with vans and we don't need CDL drivers. So, they bought vans and then they want a bus. said the bus came back again. >> Okay. >> Um and yeah, Sam can can speak to that. I think part of that is we keep
we have not had a lot of consistency and our park and work directors and I think everybody that's been there has had their approach of how to do it. Um CDL drivers are a challenge, but um >> we things have changed now. We now have
four CDL drivers. So, we have the we have the drivers for the bus and there's no honestly telling how long the little small bus we have is going to last and the AC doesn't work in there. So, >> how many kids do you have for the summer? >> Um, I don't have those numbers right
now, but it it fluctuates >> last year. >> Last year, I think it was just 200 with the kids 66 to 12 years old and 50 about 50 for the teams. Didn't we have to use Ali Academy?
>> Yeah, we had to bring in Ali Academy to um help with the uh field trips and it still wasn't enough um transportation. So, we didn't take everybody on field trips. >> What size passenger bus is this? >> I've been looking at it. The current one
we have. >> No. What's your one? Um, uh, got a quote for 50 passenger and another one for 77 passenger. >> That like the old school bus type.
>> Yeah. Uh, blue uh, Bluebird Bluebird buses. >> That's down to 3031. That's a while away. >> That's a long way. >> We put it in. I'll change five times probably by then. >> You know, it's nice to have a bus when we were growing the way we are. If we
ever did do what I think we and I think I've heard >> almost everybody say that. I don't know that I heard Willie say it, but I think it wouldn't hurt >> sometimes, too. Getting on the bus with the commissioners and going and looking at what other >> municipalities are doing. I went to a
Leburg meeting two weeks ago for city commission because I had to wait there for somebody else. But you learn a lot when you hear what they're what they're doing and everything and and getting out and going through Winter Garden, going through uh Groveland's industrial park
makes you think about what to do with that. There's a sometimes we think we're smart. We >> Yeah, >> we can learn a lot. >> I I've always wanted >> We're behind. Eustus is behind. But for the first time since not to pat you on the back, I don't like you. Just don't
think I like you. you have done such a good job of opening that for us and that was a joke on the other side but we are we're about to bust out in a good way >> I think so >> a good way and and you go out there and you see when you see those things that
you see in other municipalities and they're Leburg's going I sat through a big thing on their parking lot they're adding parking lot and they bought a building and they're they're they're knocking it down they bought it with the uh uh hotel or whatever that is over there and they're sharing They're just
thinking good stuff. Just like with the if we were going to do the community center or not or what, make that developer pay for that parking garage, too, or at least their proportionate share. But the bus would get us around. >> And I've been requesting I wanting to have that happen. I I think it we don't
need to reinvent the wheel. If we go around, we're at a good point where we can see what other people have done and get some ideas and and even do a more fantastic job about what we want. It helps us know what we want and how to get there. >> Fire get to go see other fire departments because they're in that
little >> group, but >> kind of on that that same thing and and commission didn't go be part of the sunshine and all that stuff. But I brought a team um Greg, Robert Harper, Mike Bryson, and
myself. We went down and met with contractors and designers on Sanford um on their their lakewalk, the marinas, got the ideas of how they're handling their marinas, went over to Cranes Roost. >> I bet that was so impactful on you.
>> It was. And everybody kind of split. >> So, same ideology >> because we're all doing it's the same exact thing. And it was just like it it was super valuable, not just from the learning, but also the relationships that you build when you're out there as well. >> Why can Why can't we do that? Why why
couldn't we not um even have a couple some citizens go with us and and we we take those tours? I I >> Yeah, you I I believe and this is out of my wheelhouse, but I I believe you have to open it up um to appointment with
citizens and it has to be uh matter of public record. you know that you you you advertise it that you're doing you you can um it was just a hell of a lot easier for me to just grab these guys say, "Hey man, load up the pickup trucks. Let's go. We'll meet you down there."
>> But that doesn't mean that we can't. >> That's good for you because you're the nuts and bolts and the core of what really needs to be done. >> But the commission that's supposed to help drive direction, >> it's good for we need education, too. citizens including them also.
>> Yeah. I mean, if we take a bus and the worst thing that happens I've thought about this more than >> But the worst thing that happens is we get on the bus and we tell all the commissioners, you know, shut up while we're driving. You can't talk till we get out of the bus in front of everybody if that becomes the issue that you can't
fit all the citizens in. >> How did how did you do Reworld? >> How did when when that Reorld that >> we all went together? >> You all went together. We uh we opened it up for public to sign up for. >> Yeah. >> Um so we would have to notice it. I have >> And Christine was it came with us. Was
it Christine? >> Yeah. >> And how many people showed up to come ride with us after the advertising? >> I wasn't there. >> God, it it wasn't. >> We didn't have any citizens. >> So try it and then try it and then if we end up with 150 people who want to who want to ride around,
>> they have a lottery. >> They ain't going to want they ain't going to want to ride. Yeah, I I'll I'll talk to y'all and >> try it and then if you have to cancel it because we don't have sufficient or we just don't talk when we're on the bus till we get out then we talk in front of them. >> I thought that was the purpose of Christine coming with us >> on that one. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, yeah, just >> cuz it would be fun to go to Winter Garden too and um and uh Lake Nona. Yeah. >> And Lake 100 will help us with that. Lake 100 took anybody who wanted to go and we did a tour. Miniola, Claremont,
uh, Groveland. We went through the industrial park to see Kroger, which is now gone. But, uh, and we learned a lot lot of stuff from that. >> I'll be when when I meet with y'all and we do the one-on- ones. Yeah. I'll I'll talk to you all about it. Let's let's
see what what we want to do. I I thank Winter Garden, you know, we're we're looking at a lot of Winter Garden stuff with what we're doing. And I I I'm suggesting we look at at we do a trip kind of based on the downtown the waterfront implementation that we're doing. I think that that can get
together, >> but we look at it and see what it is and what we want to do. And >> did you see Claremont's waterfront now? What they did? They put a they put a swimming I don't know if we're going to swim in Lake Eustace, but they there's people in there. There's got to be there's got to be gators in that lake in
Claremont, right? Is that part of the chain of lakes? >> It is. separate chain. >> It is a se. So there's But there's gators in there, right? A bunch of them. >> Gator, >> but and also I have pictures. We attended a concert. What they did with
their um band shell and the way they expanded and had the concert is certainly food for thought for us also. and and and I we hang out at Sanford and and and uh Altima Cran Roost and they
are phenomenal. Great ideas for us. >> Yeah. CRU is >> Yeah. And there's a lot of lot of things that that even for us as maintenance side of stuff too that >> it's inspiring. It really is and it's neat and especially when you have the people that are behind it that can kind
of share >> what happened and you know and I think between us we have those contacts >> and it's things that you want to avoid too. They help you with that also. >> They did that and when we did that with Lake 100 the mayor of Mola came and
talked to us. They they they're proud to kind >> Oh yeah. I mean and we would do the same thing. We we want to share our successes. So >> yeah, I'll talk to you. Let's set something up. >> Okay. >> So, do we want to move the bus out? >> Yeah. Right. And that or can we or
>> the reality >> a long day, baby. >> The reality to the bus thing is that it's in wherever it is. But for what we're talking about now, we we can rent a bus. Right. Right. >> We can get a Greyhound call it air
conditioned bus. What do they cost to rent for a day? Two grand. >> We tried to do it for you, didn't we? for the basketball $1,500, I think. >> I used to Yeah, I used to take my lacrosse teams and it was it was about two grand for long trips.
>> So, how fancy will this bus be? Will it be a grand? >> I have a full bar in it and everything pool. >> The bus will just have the basics. Um, seats, air conditioner, seat belts. Um, it's not like a regular regular school
bus with the flashing lights and everything. So, >> Okay. Um, and I've when I first started here, I I've looked for buses to rent during the summer and they're expensive to rent. Um, it's not like Miami where you can rent by the hour school buses
for field trips. Up here it's a little bit more difficult and they're all coach buses. >> Um, and >> school buses are hard to find. >> Yeah. His what we're talking the the coach would work
>> and uh You know, I I used to we do it for a weekend and and it was about 2500 for the weekend. I'd have it all weekend and cart my teams back and forth. We'd do tournaments all over the the eastern seabboard. Um but we can get we could
probably get one for a day for about probably 12 $1,300. It comes with driver. There's, you know, you're limited to the hours, but so are we. Um I've got I've got some contacts still, so we can do something like that. I do have a question. Your the the year five,
is that new bus or >> new bus? Um, actually I had a guy come out uh yesterday um give me some numbers on the buses. I can send it to you. Um >> so I guess Lori is would this be an option of something that maybe we finance?
You know, we're talking about like some of the big purchase items rather than having this some is this something that that we would do the finance or lease or something to be able to Um, also um, how do our park impact fees look? >> Not enough.
>> Yeah, I already looked at that. I went through there. >> What is the impact fee? I missed that. >> So, there's a park impact fee. What was the fund balance? Because we could >> Yeah, we don't have enough. >> When you put, >> this is a rookie question I know, but when you put the 250 on year five, that means we're going to wait till year five
and buy the bus in 3031. You don't break it out and do 5050 5050 and build it up and or that's not the way you do it. >> No, because it's more when that expenditure would go. So that and that's kind of what I'm talking if we were to lease it >> then it would be >> you could break it over those years and
that's kind of what we've been doing with >> think of that. You're right. If you do a lease and you take it let us look and see and if we can do that we could move it up >> which is basically fancy financing, right? >> Yeah. And we can enter into a master lease with somebody for a lot of different vehicles. and to keep those
cash flows consistent. >> Okay. >> But we'll look at that. >> Okay. >> So, is there a big cost difference between a 50 and a 70? >> Um, one I just got the num the numbers yesterday on the 77 and it's it's
actually cheaper than the the sher the the 50 was a sheriff state contract. It was that's that's where the 250 came from. The numbers I got yesterday were a lot less >> and that was out of contract. the counties counties for so they're a lot less >> ah
>> and we could piggy back those contracts. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So So are we looking into leasing and doing something a little sooner with the buses or what? >> Yeah, I'll I'll talk to the Lord. We'll
look at we'll look at that and see what we can do. >> Okay. >> So to move it up without that to just move the 250, we're going to move something out. Gotcha. >> So, um, but again, that's we're all in this together. You know, it's like if if
we need that we need that moved up, I can look at what we would move back, make that recommendation to y'all. >> What did we do with the the funding? I think I may have asked
this before from when one >> that's rolled in on the O andM costs. >> Um there's a line item that goes in my I as we're looking at it I was asking I called Tom back and said what the heck
is this line item? And it's like that's where we wanted to get the win one revenues to be able to track them and bring them back in. It shows under the city manager fund. So that money is coming in. Um, and I believe
some of the expenditures were tagged for Corey roll um that came through. So, >> okay. >> Yeah, it it was just bringing that in. To me, it didn't make any sense. I was like, what are we doing? But then he kind of shared that we wanted a way to be able to track that that was coming in
so that could get dedicated over to park. >> We know we have them for a minimum of what, two years. Can we put that towards the bus? >> Yeah. I mean, we Yeah, >> bus is getting all the attention.
>> What I was thinking though, if we had a large bus like that and let's say 16 of us were going someplace, it doesn't seem to be um prudent to take a 70 passenger bus with 16 to 20 or eight or 30 people.
>> We I think it's more for the kids. Yeah, it's more for the kids. >> Yeah, we we do have a to us as well. >> Yeah. We're not going to do that many tours. It's really for them kids. >> Yeah. >> So, how many kids do you really need? Do you need to put 70 kids on for some stuff? >> Yeah. For field trips and things like that. Yeah, definitely.
>> Where do you guys go? >> You take the bus plus vans and any other transportation. >> I don't know the usage of that. I mean, >> and when we talk about we're talking about maintenance and fuel and all that too. >> No, I don't think so. Not in that. No,
I'm saying this in addition in addition to the >> capital expenditure only. >> I think one of the things is we see that that you know and we all know Sam's doing an amazing job over there and his his program's growing. So, so we kind of
need to be prepared for that. >> Yeah, I I see the the commission field trip stuff being a different animal. >> Yeah, that was just a small part. Yeah, I mean that that was just another sidebar. >> Um that's a rental. I mean the the amount of times we would do it I don't
think you could ever cost justify. >> Yeah. if >> party bus >> um one that I'm showing on the transportation side um you know under the 10 fund that 420,000
there is the you know the little cameras you see up on the the street lights those are not necess everybody thinks that those speed limit cameras and so they're not it is you used to have the magnetic bars
in the asphalt and when a car went over it that's what gave the signal that there's a car there all that changed out the starting probably 10 well heck I did it when I was still doing design so probably 20 years ago those cameras are
they measure the queue of cars that are waiting and in the box is a little computer and and that's what those cameras cameas are it's it's who's waiting so it knows when to turn the lights and if if there's nobody on this
side and everybody here that makes this one go green. So there is the state has been pushing to change out so many of them. Um the work we did on state road 19 they covered all the cost of that. I
used to carry more money than this but all that got picked up under that work. that those have been implemented. We still do have some signals that we're responsible for. They haven't pushed us on that. I've been bringing this money. I don't ever let it get to year one
because once I know we have to do it, I'll move it to year one, but I want to show that in there >> because it's coming, but we've been able to to sidestep it as much as we can right now. >> Great.
So on page four, that's where the fire station heads and that's got us a little upside down. And uh it's fire station impact fee >> just to those developers just to that
thing there. >> How many homes are coming in Doris Landing? 200 Reynolds 300 >> two 240 24 >> 3 million >> two 224 town houses and 20 homes
>> 3 million divided by 244 that's 12,000. Yeah, that's pretty high. split it up with >> everything else has already been approved. >> I mean, it helps, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So, we'll we'll get there. Um,
you know, we but I I think and what I'm hearing here too, the consensus is keep it on there and we'll next year >> keep the fire >> keep the fire station on there on that year. >> Yes, absolutely. And uh
if if we have not secured grant revenue at that point, then next year I'll be bringing a different option for you. And if that's either um pulling money out of general fund or or uh cutting other projects, we'll
>> we'll do what we need to do at that point. You look you prioritize over the city >> or how do we get the revenue in? And that's the thing. I need to be more aggressive getting the revenues in >> from the new people. >> Yep. >> Rick, there's no mention of uh
we started uh looking at public safety uh complex. >> So that got pulled. It used to be on there and it got pulled and it was kind of the the there again. It's, you know, the peaks and valleys and and we had I
had put 13 million in and was carrying that for a couple years and then it consensus was no, we don't need the the public safety and it just went to fire station. >> Now we're starting to have the communication about getting the public
safety back in. Um I believe it's on the unfunded. We don't have, you know, it was if we're looking at a $15 million hit, um, we got to figure out the land, what we're doing. >> Um, we got to have a lot more conversations on that than than where we
are now. It's kind of been some sidebar stuff happening. Um, but there's there's two years ago we met with the state
appropriations and we met with the House and the Senate and at that point there was not an appetite from Tallahassee to fund public safety buildings and it was just like not going to happen. and we
ended up we diverted to Coolage and we got the Coolage money. Um I don't know if that is still there but I think if if by putting it on the unfunded it shows up on our CIP program which makes it
eligible for appropriations because one of the boxes to check is this in your capital plan. Yes, it is. um we're kind of splitting hairs, but it's in our capital program so we can go after different funding mechanisms. We put that in and then I'm thinking as
we we sit and we meet with our our legislator and our representatives, we bring this back up and we go for the full nut knowing we're not going to get it, but we ask anyway. >> And they love that stuff. Everybody wants their name on public safety.
Absolutely. >> So, >> and so there's a lot of other grants mechanisms as well, but the appropriations will carry the lion share of it and we can use the other grants to match. Um, >> a public safety facility doesn't have to
be right around here, right? It could be somewhat relatively centered because of the fire because you put a fire station there too or no? Yeah, you probably >> put a fire station there >> and you know you would still keep the police station where it is still keep the fire station. So in essence we're
talking >> you keep them where they are and you make a public safety building in addition >> even if even if that's like a satellite I mean that could still be >> um you know >> depends on how close it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um I'm I'm still
fairgrounds. >> I was thinking exact same thing. Fairgrounds is a little farther on that north, but >> fairgrounds Methodist Methodist church >> soccer. >> There's possibilities. >> Yeah.
>> So, as that comes back, >> we need, you know, kind of like with the with the fire stations, we did the heat map stuff and started doing all those studies and where where is a hit and where do we need the next fire station? And we had a really good meeting on that
this week in in my office. Um, and just kind of putting pins in because you kind of think when you're talking about it is you get this perception, well, this is really close. This is not. And and even for that, we looked at do we take over uh the county's uh fire station 27. You
pretty rough shape, but we take that. >> Um, you know, so we went through and we kind of laid everything out. And then also through our GIS, we had the heat maps. where are the hits, where where are we looking, where are the calls, and kind of colorcoded to where you can see
what's happening, where the holes are. We'll need if if if we get moving on this, I'll I'll be meeting with Chief Capri and his team, we'll be doing the same thing. Where's where do we look at putting this? Part of it is an administrative component. The other is
is callouts. So to I don't think like one one and I mean definitely I'm deferring to chief this is his baby. Um but if we have multiple
and and it's not a satellite station but it's like storefront you know it's you see where like the sheriffs are spread all over the place. Right. >> Yeah. Like I said, we could pretty much go I would base it on building a building that's going to last 50 years plus
>> sustainability and you want to put that building. >> I would say I would wherever we put the fire department, we could go where the fire department is because we can be anywhere for the most part. I don't know much about the fire side where you got to put stations based on those numbers. But if you're going to build a fire
department, you might as well build a public safety complex and put the police there. That that that was my my thing on that. And we did it in Daytona. We we kind of built it where we figured the city was going to grow in the next 20 30 years cuz when they put it where they put it, I was like, why are they putting out here in the middle of nowhere? There was
nothing out there. Well, fast forward 20 years later, man, they were smart because this is where everything the city went west. So, I I think we could put it wherever the fire department is, wherever their main fire department is. We can be we can be where they're at. It would be based on the needs of the fire department as far as where you're going
to put your stations because, you know, do we need a building? It'd be nice to have one, but we we work on the streets. We work out of our cars, >> processing you, >> but yeah, we need a place where the public can go to make reports and whatnot, but we're flexible from the standpoint that >> we don't have to have it in an exact
location. I I would think where you put like like for Tavaris, for example, >> and uh they they built a beautiful building there, police and fire complex, and that seems to be the trend going across the country right now. you're seeing a lot of police and fire departments uh combining to save money and resources, but you want something
that's going to last like I said 50 plus years. And with the technology and the you know materials now that that that's definitely doable. So, uh but I said we you got to have like a plan too like five, seven years out before you even look at you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, >> but I think we need to start you know we
need to start on that. >> We're talking about a new fire station. um and that's 3 million. >> Why couldn't you look at the whole picture back with the um safety complex and include that
>> at 3 million? We're we're >> that's an out 2.1 upside down and I'm saying all that and and and bring back the safety complex. It it we've got to come up with a bunch of
funding and that's going to push fire station three. >> Yeah. Take some time. >> Did you say 25 million for a public safety facility? >> 13. >> I think it's got to be more than that, right? >> More than 13 >> for a public safety complex. I don't know. I think Tavar's built theirs for was it like 13 million, right?
>> That was Yeah. Yeah. >> That was a long time ago. I I I don't know. >> I don't know. I think >> fire admin, police, holding cells, >> the carport, whatever you call it. I forgot what that's called. Uh the
salary. I was going to I kept want to say, >> you know, we really don't need a sally port because we're just transporting right out to the to various to >> you. Never bring them into the police department and process them >> only for like the DUIs and lately they have it set up now where it's out there too. So you can do your your your DUI arrests out there too at the jail
because they have the equipment there. So it makes sense to to kind of leverage your resources and do you really need you know there's certain things you can cut out that you don't need. So but I think you need a building that you know I think police fire is the way to go but I think the police is more flexible than
the fire because the fire is based on numbers where the hotspots are. We can pretty much go anywhere >> cuz you're zoned so you're already out there. >> Yeah. Yeah. We we just And my thing is do we need a a police department right now? be nice to have when our building's old and stuff, but I rather be we need to be on the streets, you know? We don't
need to be in the in in the in the uh it does no good sitting in a police building. Uh we need to be out in the streets. Our cars are kind of our offices and we're mobile 24/7. When the guys and girls come in, they're on their way to work. They can be they can answer a call. They just don't come to the PD. You know, you go back 20 25 years. You
would go to the PD, you would get your car, you'd go in service. Now, everybody has take-home cars. they can be coming from work to work and a call comes out, they can divert and go there and handle it. That's that's some of the pluses on that. Um, but yeah, you if you're going to if you're going to build a a new fire
department, you might as well put the police there, too, and and do it all in one one swoop and and save money down the long run because eventually that police department's you're going to need a new police department. So, >> so is that in a fiveyear, you know, is that a fiveyear window? Is it a five to seven? I think we I think we tie it to
the the the unfunded and start coming up with some money. So yeah, it's it's >> you know impact fees >> we right we look at it and it police impact fee fire impact fee um and then also you know what
>> impact on construction not on tax at correct >> alarm impact fee not an assessment but we got to look at I don't know how much farther the city can build out right I don't I don't think there's much space to build out right >> landwise I don't know >> you can you can go well that's a whole
another story >> I don't But from what they said last night about 40 thou, you know, um Daniel Donzo up here saying there's going to be 40,000 people coming here. >> Don't ever listen to that. >> Well, I mean, you know, I mean, he's probably right to a point that there's going to be a lot of pe people are fleeing these sanctuary cities up
north coming down to Florida and >> making a move away anyway. He's telling them, >> "No, but I can tell you I can tell you people know about Eustace because I I heard I've heard people talking about it and coming down here. They they Google, they look, and they see, hey, and the prices are right here. It's a great safe city. So, they're going to come. They're
going to if you look at the traffic like they were talking about last night, they're going to I don't know, you know, is that we're going to have to definitely get more firemen, more police officers. So, we need to probably come up with a, you know, 10, 15, 20 year strategic plan to address those issues and start now. But we don't have to build right away. But we need
>> they're already working on it. They met with the county. The county is talking about their, you know, the annexation plans. >> I understand 19 map, all of those disasters that have to be straightened out. you know, what's the city of use going to look like in 20 25 30 years? >> That that's what you got to look at and
and where where where is going to be a good central location and it all got to be deferred to the fire as far as where where we're we're put they're putting their building. We can go where they go. It would be make no sense for us to build a bu a building and bring them with us when it's no it has no strategic scientific value as far as response
times. It makes no sense where us we we can be anywhere. So, >> can we um uh can we build the fire department? >> Go ahead and get them built >> and then add on. >> You can do whatever you want as a
product of money. >> It's cheaper to do it all together. >> Yeah. But but if we we can't, >> right? So, and that and that's what it that's what it's coming down to is funding >> phase it. >> Um >> so, we do have in the unfunded well
we're going to increase that number. We've got land acquisition because at that point we don't have the land to be able to put it. Um so we got some land acquisition and we've got some structure. Um and what we'll do is we'll we'll change that out. I still think to
get three built in the time we need to we need to build three >> and get that focused. Um, you know, we lost momentum when we pulled it, >> but it was a a group decision to pull it and it's just not coming back. We don't
we don't have it in the budget. So, we will get safety complex. We'll we'll take these numbers that we have for station 4. We'll combine that as a as a overall safety complex. And at that point, you
know, and I'll I'll start. We haven't we have had really no design communication or anything on this. >> So to solve all the problems right here and to put it in. >> No. >> Um I think we're remiss if we do that. We're going to miss something. >> Um let me get it in on unfunded and and
I'll talk to Chief. >> Yep. >> And then as as we come through and we start doing some grant, you know, some some different funding sources and we start looking at that's a big hit. We're going to need help >> if we can get it done for 13 million. We have found 13 million. And you know, we
we got a couple million in impact fees that'll be coming, but it isn't going to be 13. So, so let us get started looking at this as a project. Kind of do like we did with the fire station. You know, we got that started a year ago and now
we're we're ready. Um let's let's start looking at it. Get that in. I'll I'll change budget as we go through and make these changes. We'll go through and we'll list. >> We got to talk about that stuff as >> loan safety. And then >> as a commission, I think we're
ineffective if we don't think 10, 20, 40 years >> uh down the road. >> And different departments are more proactive in the future and some are more reactive and but let's let's get this and we'll we'll start pulling the
project together. I'll start getting some real costs for you and and we'll we'll put it in there and then start looking at where we can get the money from. >> Okay. >> I have a question. I I I know it's like something we've not talked about, but I always imagined uh a safety complex being where the Methodist church is. I
thought it was just a wonderful place to be. Is that completely off the record? I mean, at some point, I know they they have it up there. So, at some point if they decide, you know, we've had it up and we'll just take the best offer or something, is that still a
consideration for us? >> I not I think the number that they think they can get for the property would have it off consideration. Um, you know, some of the stuff we look
at we potentially have more value. >> Well, should it come available or should it be possible? Would that be something you'd think of as being a place to put >> I I am >> I love the intersection type ideology of
that. I mean, >> yeah. Yeah. And at that point, if if it's there, then yeah, that police station we have there goes away. we sell that property >> which is going to get us something. >> Um yeah, so I I think pretty much
anytime a property is coming up, my approach I'm looking at it. >> Um so we're pretty quick to react on that one and and there's some other irons in the fire that we're looking at. >> That was the best thing we did was react
quick on that. I had I never thought we could have reacted as fast as we did >> and I think you know, with you with the commission that we have now, it's I I think we've got that comfort level to where again, everything is that we do is about
assuming risk at some point. And um I think entering into the contracts pending commission approval. I have no heartburn doing that. I'll get into a contract and and you know, and I'll be talking um but then we have to bring the
contract back to you. But at least I've got a pen contract that I bring back to you for approval. And if y'all say no, what are you doing, I'm okay with that and the contract's void and we're out nothing. Um, but it's all how we write that and how aggressive
and and we're getting much more aggressive on this than I think not just what used, but I think a lot of cities are not that aggressive with it. >> But I'm all right doing it. Have we I know you said you did the the the heat
map. Where where was the your hotspots? What do you think of this? >> Um right now the location for three um the best location we we have come up with and uh jump if I say anything
incorrect. Um but we've got land out by the water plant on the bypass, the 44 water plant kind of across from um >> Summerlenn. Yeah, across the street from Summerlenn. >> Um that'll hit and that'll cover a lot
of area. Um that really >> nice location >> makes sense. the the fourth one and why I said fairgrounds, the fourth one is going to be more um up toward that fairground area with everything that's growing up there.
>> Okay. >> So, >> now at one point the the county was looking to possibly get rid of the one on uh >> Yeah, >> that was that was 27 that I mentioned and that went into our
>> went into our discussion there. um gets us a little bit farther out. Um probably it is it is old and antiquated. Um it would probably be a redo on that. >> Mhm. >> And >> $3 million redo or less.
>> Uh probably be close. probably be closed because the bays have to change, >> you know, and then the housing the housing in there is pretty rough from from what I've from what I >> got it for the women's center. So,
we're we're kind of better served off of the land that we have out for the heat map and um yeah, we did we had that discussion at at length about 27 >> and not with not with county but even
you do we do we pursue that and um you know kind of the numbers and everything says that we've got the right spot off on the bypass. Talk to Greg. We don't have the the, you know, plans for anything out there. Um, we do have some wellheads on that
property. Um, you know, so we looked at where the wellheads are and where the piping is and and we can fit a pretty decent size area. >> How deep is that a lot? Is that a couple acres? >> Oh, it's pretty big. >> Yeah, it's
Was it 10 or more? >> That much. >> I mean, we had what I drew out for you guys real quick was two acres. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that was for the the fire station. That's what he need he needs in there and it it didn't >> cover much of it.
>> I want to say something way off key again. >> Um do you see what we're doing here? >> This is strategic planning. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> And we've have I have never in 15 years 12 years of coming to every commission meeting and I probably didn't come to all the workshops.
>> This is this is important. >> Yeah, >> this is really strategic. Our strategic plan. Our strategic plan. This is more important than the budget per se because you got to know where you're going before you figure out how you pay for it. >> This is just this is great. >> We do it at the staff level all the time, but it's just nice.
>> Yeah, but the staff doesn't lead the city. >> It's nice to have your engagement in this. >> It has to be the people and the people are the commissioners. >> Could we strategically um raise the the thermostat? It's cold.
>> Thanks. >> When Chief's got a jacket on, he knows. >> I thought it was me. >> Nobody else in here were cold. >> Oh, these women in here are all bundled up. >> I'm just bugging myself. >> You remember when I used to get hollered at that it was hot during the meetings?
>> I ain't been hollered at for that in a long time, have I? >> All right. this is strategy and this is fun and this is entertaining, >> you know, and and and that's kind of on on the appra I'm we're not hitting each
line item and but it's more you know what we're doing >> when we get your input into it >> and I'm not I'm speaking for just George but I know this applies psychologically when we as a commissioner each individual commissioner has again I
don't really like you but has confidence in their in their leader, things go well. >> It's easier >> and this starts to happen. What you're seeing in this room that I've never seen before. >> It's a shame that the other two guys aren't here. >> And I think we need to think about maybe
how how can we accommodate getting the other two involved. I know, you know, they have jobs they have to to work with, but maybe we are going to have to make some little sacrifices to be able to accommodate them, too, because they're missing a a good a good thing here. It's priceless.
>> Chief is in >> ruthless. Ruthless >> as it is. >> There's no Caprian team. >> I love that one. That's pretty good. >> There's no Caprian team. I'm putting that in the in the spike.
I do like you. I love you, buddy. >> I want to be an astronaut. I ain't smart enough. So, you know what? I do what I do. >> All right. Now, we're losing it to boss. >> So, jumping down on page five under the CRA. Um, something I added in I wanted
to point out to y'all. Um, CRA funds are holding pretty well. The fund balance is holding pretty well. The work we're doing with the downtown implementation plan is redevelopment. I put 500,000
for next year, following year, following year and that is going to be a funding source for this as we do in the next workshop. I'm also bringing in a financial analyst to kind of share with you
smart debt. um something we have not done here in the past. We're we're not big on debt. We're scared of debt. Debt's evil. >> Debt's not evil. Um >> the property I'm buying up in Georgia,
I'm a borrow. I got cash. I'mma borrow because my cash is working much harder for me than what that debt's going to be. We're going to be smart. We're not going to carry the debt and get it and start paying back the interest if we're not ready to pull the
trigger. So, we're going to look at lines of credit or, you know, things that we can have. The the interest rate on line of credit is going to be a little bit higher. But, it's smart if we're not sitting on it for two or three years, but I want it tied up so we have it and we know how we
can look at stuff. And don't look don't don't shrug off the the indirect passive investment of taking on a property. The three lots that we took on for 2.8 I think it was out the door. We've paid carrying costs but
>> if we change directions and whatever there's a lot of equity in there. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. So we're it's a little different approach and you know times have changed. Times have changed. We need to be a little more aggressive, a little bit smarter financially amendment. So
>> Rick, >> America and Bloom, we do quite a bit downtown and it's in the CRA. How come we're not doing that? Taking funding out of CRA for American Bloom.
>> Nobody's asked. >> So yeah, I mean we we could definitely look at that. >> You mean even if you split it? >> Yeah. And I know in in the public works when we get to the O andM side like you know a lot of the the plant material and stuff like that there's money in there
to replenish that because >> Yeah. And and like the veterans memorial that look beautiful. >> Yeah. >> But you know what? >> 6 months from now a lot of them flowers will be dead. >> Yeah. >> And a year from then a lot of the other ones. So >> even the downtown ones we're going to have to change out.
>> Absolutely. So we are carrying under the public works under the on&m replacement stuff. Um, I think definitely having a line item in the operations, I don't think it's a capital component, but I think under the operations and
maintenance for the CRA, um, we could definitely put some some landscaping items in there. And I see Greg writing it down. >> Well, even with the pocket park, I mean, can't it go towards what we're
doing? That's $100,000 worth. Yeah. >> $80,000 next year. >> Yep. >> And the CRA budget can carry it. >> Yeah. >> So, >> and you know, Tim is propagating a lot and and all of the plants and everything. So, that's saving a lot.
Yeah. >> What was that? >> He's doing what? >> Growing. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um but yeah and you know and that greenhouse is kind of starting to pay for itself a little bit >> and we need we also may have to look at
the future of expanding it. >> Yeah. >> So >> so um do you want me to take the next year's rather than carrying it in the what was it general fund bring at
least that year component because you're right that that pocket park should tie back in. >> Yeah. >> So we we change that year >> and maybe skip every other year, do one into the general fund, one into the CRA because we don't want to just do CRA projects. We want to do stuff
everywhere. Um, you know, so we can kind of bounce back and forth. So I can I can shift that. We'll make that >> 5050. >> Um, no, every other year because if you do 5050, it's limiting the size of the projects we can do. And remember, we
want to use some CRA money to do what we talked about at the commission meeting yesterday that I think they directed Al to do, >> which um which was >> uh new business incentives, >> other incentive stuff like that, too. >> Yeah.
>> Whatever you all figure out. >> Get it. But I mean that >> this is turning to a strategic plan meeting, >> which is >> beautiful, >> which is our budget, you know, so they kind of tie in together. So, um,
you know, on that >> and I'm still getting over you're going to get me in the weeds, too. So, um, >> it's exciting, man. >> We don't have anything >> budgeted for a strategic plan. And we need to do a strategic plan. >> I would do.
>> That's the first thing Levy said. We're strategic plan. >> And that was kind of when we were talking about me coming in. I didn't know how comfortable I was as an interim doing the strategic plan because honestly I didn't know how much I was going to be able to do as interim. But
>> you all let me do everything. I might as well get that strategic plan kicked off. >> Is a strategic plan for a municipality driven by a commission isn't it? Or by a consultant with the commission. >> It's consultant. It's heavy commission.
>> Yeah. Um so >> and public. >> Yeah. and the and public. Yeah. Um but yeah, I mean, are y'all ready for it? >> What's that cost there? I saw a budget line last year for that. What was that? >> Added it in ours for next year.
>> Is it in in city manager's budget? >> Good. >> How much is it? What is it? >> What y'all put in? >> Say 100. >> 100. I think it's 100. >> And that's what I was going to say is we need a 100. >> I would say talk to Levy. >> That's our plan. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you know, we have him under.
>> He's got to be part of it. And you and him both. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. We have him under the continuing >> and sooner rather than later. >> Or we can just meet like this two or three times in Chinese food and we got it done. >> Put the 100 grand into Chinese food.
>> All right. >> With a fortune cookie. >> With a fortune cookie. So the bottom of page five is the uh impact fee. >> Um these are the expenditures and that's where the engine for the new fire station is coming out of. Um the design
fees for fire station 3, the 250,000. Um that's going to pay for the design, the construction documents, the very bottom line item on that page. So that's next year's money. Didn't somebody say that the fire truck was way more than a million? The one we got was a million and the new one was
going to be a million5. >> Didn't I hear that somewhere? >> It was a million50. >> What's the new fire? I I thought I heard the last fire truck was a million rough rough numbers and that a new one that we were reordering was going to be a million4 or a million five and Swanson
was I can't believe how much it went up. Am I missing something? >> The tower truck was 1.4 when we purchased it. >> So, this is just an engine. That's why >> okay that's where I heard the >> finaliz.2 million. >> Okay, but we're not looking at a
towering tower and it has nine years left before we even enter that conversation. >> All right. So the million that >> but we have one we have one in progress right now. >> We have we have one in progress out. So we are strategically looking at station 3 being up and running and replacing
both of our engines that are 10 years old >> engines but not the >> not. Yeah. >> So we technically need four trucks on the road 247 of our calls right now. We had 415 calls of service this year from
January one that we did not answer. We had to rely on someone else. >> 415 got outsourced to the jail. because we were already station three needs to be needs to happen and then we need to
start strategically planning for station the comment about moving to the uh grocery uh church right there. Um we could do that. We would still need to look at continuing with the plan of four stations. Station 22 is uh was built in
1983. So it is at its 50 year mark. So we're starting to outgrow it a little bit. Um we're making it work. But if we are going to look and entertain that property, we would just need to relocate the station.
>> You need impact fees. >> Uh so we're running um I'm running monthly reports with development services getting impact fee approval. What have we taken in so far this year? We've already taken in 92,000 and we're
projected with at 13 $13,000 average per month, $200,000 just this year. The impact fee just went in a new price. So, we are in a good spot. Uh we are projected just in residential impact fee growth $800,000. That's not including
commercial and that's very hard to factor in project because the square footage the There's different fees. Residential we can easily calculate a set number. >> So >> and we maximized our impact fees on residential because of the statue right
when they were you were here. You said that that's >> it all in before all those changes happened. >> So we are getting the most socalled the most we can get right now >> and that was based on projects that we had in our budget. And so as as Rick has said having this unfunded list helps us
in numerous ways. It's great, great stuff. >> Um, on the 20 fund, you'll see there's a the office build out 320,000. So, again, that's going to Wells Fargo.
We've got the money this year um that we're looking at doing the remediation that basically is getting we're doing everything on the first floor. I funded next year to do the basement. The basement's going to be our
EOC. So the 320 here and >> is for the top floor. >> Yep. And so the 320 will go downstairs because that's next year's money. >> This year I've already got the top done. That's going to be the offices. >> You got that funded? >> Uh
>> out of the building money >> out of the building out of that surplus. >> And how much was that? >> I didn't catch that anywhere. >> One I was going to say a hell of a lot more than 320. >> Yeah. >> 14. >> Okay. 320 that budget amendment to you.
>> Yep. 320 there's your roof money. Get it off the roof. >> So, also coming out of the uh the police impact fee, they're they're uh some of that money's coming for EOC as well because that those two components are
are tying in and and the EOC that we have planned for that is It's going to be pretty nice. Um it'll it'll also so we're not just putting the money into something that is only going to get used hopefully once every five
years with the hurricane. Um it is also going to a training center, but price already as far as making sure we've got um good fiber, you know, good internet capability. We probably will
back it up with Starlink um just because we'll lose our >> during the hurricanes, we'll lose fire, you know, we'll lose the fiber and that connectivity and we need it. So, we go with Starlink as a backup. We'll do full system generator. All that money is
going to go into this EOC buildout. So, >> so be state-ofthe-art >> to know. So, Lake 100 is working with Wire 3 and the other uh fiber optic people. Um and uh shoot, what's the name of the other one? Um
but we're getting fiber brought in to the mega workplace. They're having to run it from the main line and to my office across from the halipad. So >> yeah, we may need to to say and I you know Bryce knows how everything's
running because I know we've got fiber running here and we were talking pointtooint. So it can it can be pointtooint from here. We can can >> that's the tunnel under Bay Street you are were talking to >> it. It would be more like a wireless over here.
>> Oh no, not a walking tunnel to go over there. >> We're we're not putting a walking tunnel in at this point. We'll go Arierel before we do that. But >> um with the EOC, we have um uh
uh Randy Fine in in the PD. >> Yep. >> Is there a possibility of getting any uh any money? >> Yes. >> From him for this? >> Yeah. Okay. >> And which is part of why I push that to next year. >> Okay. because I don't if if we try to
get it all done this year, we're we're we're going too fast to be able to get the grant funding. >> Um I I think that project checks many many many grant boxes. >> Um and that's going to be our basement.
We can operate, you know, the the engineering, fire admin, building department, all can operate off that that first floor. Mhm. >> Um downstairs we'll end up putting the break room down there. There's kind of
one down there now. Um as we do the remediation and the fire suppression, we'll be we'll do the whole building, but we're not going to build out the the basement, but the basement's going to be the EOC room. That'll also be training. It'll have some breakout rooms. You
know, there's there's a handful of us where we're locked in, you know, during events. So, we'll have kind of not necessarily bunk houses, but we'll have some rooms that people can go in, get a few hours sleep, close the door. Um, so we're going to set that whole basement
up and and consider that whole basement is EOC on our books for the grant and the appropriations opportunities. But as we're moving and stuff comes up, we'll we'll shift forward more if we can. But otherwise, we can actually
phase that build out and hold that a year. So, we are positioned a little more strategically for grants. So, we've got lunch should be here around 12:30. So, we'll go about another 10
minutes or so and then take a break for lunch. and hopefully uh Mary will um check and and let us know when it's coming. So >> great uh park impact fees. So I'm at top of
page six and if y'all need clarification on anything else, holler. I kind of like how this is going. It's working for me if it's working for y'all. >> Um >> I was so lost last year with this stuff. I'm still lost, but I mean for later, >> but it's kind of
>> it's more realistic. >> Good. Good. And because let me know if you need something different, just tell us. >> Well, you get caught up in all of the the little things and but what we're doing now is like discussing this in a real >> Yeah. And and not the the the stuff, but
trust that as far as the >> I can't say minutia because it's a project, but the little the little details, trust us to do that. I'm watching it. I'm watching it. We're working hard on it. So, we got that. If you got questions, ask.
>> Yeah. >> Um, and when you start asking and we can't answer, then we got a problem. But until that, it's let us let us figure it out. I think this is going good. And I'm trying to hit things that are a little bit
different, a little out of the ordinary. So, park impact fee. We've got 350,000 for Lake Willy Dock. Um that is half of what we want. We're going after
appropriations. We have passed the the Senate and House. It is still on the list. Um but it's not signed yet. Um if it's signed, we're going to take and bump that up more. So the 350
is taking that wood and removing the old rotted wood that's in bad shape. It's cupping. It's, you know, we've stained it a few times, but they come out and burn it and do whatever. Um, we're going to go in with a laminate and redo the decking and replace some of the the pier
supports. 350 will get us that if we're successful in the grant, we're putting cameras, we're putting lighting. Um, we're going to drop a kayak launch and you do some different things out there that they don't have. Uh, it's going to be
nice. This will tie into our trail system. Um, you know, as we're as we're talking our town trails, we'll get all that tie in and, you know, hopefully this go through at that point. It's really will increase this project by
350,000, but it's will also have the revenue. So, I'm going to do the expenses and the revenue. So, this 350 that we have in now does not take into account any grant funding. So, we will bump the project up when we get the revenue. It'll be a Z
change across the board, but it's going to go to this project >> again. And I'm going go back to because Lake Willie is down at Carver Park. Can we use CRA for some of this?
>> We're probably going to be upside down in the CRA by the time we're done with the downtown and all that. So, >> cuz we're grabb from everywhere. >> Yeah. What's our balance on this? Three. What was it? Three million or two million? >> Uh CRA is in pretty good shape.
Um, yeah. I mean, I' I'd have to defer it out because I don't know if there's limitations on what we can do or >> three available non-committed. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't mean kill it, but I mean, if if we can kind of
leverage some of that, but I again, what can we use it for? >> So, we've we've got there's so for 2627, there's 1 point there's 1.6 million um >> reserved for future projects. So
>> remember we have those proposed changes from the county on the MST for imp. >> So we need to already have lost Lake County Water Authority. So it's just the county us. >> What was that about?
>> So there's actually you're probably better versed at this. >> We we need to dig into it at the staff level, but we were just were just informed last week that the county is seeking to make some changes on the contributions through the MSTU that funds the CRA partially. So, we need to
dig into that a little bit more. It will need to go to commission for approval. So, right now it's at the staff level >> and yeah, and that just came through. We're still trying to wrap our head around everything. >> Please listen carefully to
Um, with the U >> I don't think your mic's working. >> Yeah, >> tap on it. Tap on it. >> I thought it was just me. >> Tap on it and just see if we hear it. >> Okay, it should be on now.
>> Okay, great. Thank you. Okay. Um, I'm listening to the conversation. Um, and I think we all have the general understanding that the no money can be spent from the CRA unless it's in the development plan, uh, redevelopment plan. So, um,
>> that's a law of the land. You can't >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Absolute in law. Um, so there's there's definitely a way we can um, you know, spend money associated with the uh, America in Bloom. uh we could make that
a part of the gateway grant process since we've got the landscapering provision there. Uh we can get that done. Um it we may not however be able to um you know spend spend money on some of the other expenditures unless we um
set up a mechanism for how that money is to be spent. Um, so I I just wanted to to, you know, I wanted to make it clear that it's not as easy as saying, you know, simply because something is located in the CRA or the
activity is occurring in the CRA that we can automatically spend a portion of CRA money, it has to be uh set up um so that it complies with the law. Um, for example, um, doing the America in Bloom
as a part of the Gateway program, uh, takes us, um, out of, um, or puts it in the safe zone of making sure that that's not regular, routine, ordinary maintenance. Um, so, uh, we'll just have to take a look at everything and, you
know, staff will give you the best advice we can on how to get what you want done, uh, in a way that complies with the law. >> Okay, >> sounds good. the
development incentives like we were talking if we were to do a new business development incentive that falls more when we're talking on&m right >> yes >> got >> y >> so I want to make sure that those
conversations are happening and and you know and I it it made me think about it it I'm look as I'm looking at this fund balance you there there's 25 26 we have 100,000 on a lot development incentives and and
it goes up 5,000 every year. I I think with what we're talking about as a new business um I think that number needs to to get increased as well um to where we have that it's in the budget. We have it as the opportunities become available.
We're not looking at at having to come in and create a program. let's create the program now. Um, you know, we talked if if there was leftover money on the gateway grant that could also get rolled into there, but
to to focus on bringing new business and and you maybe we limited it to the downtown corridor. I don't I don't know. And that's what I think us as a group and strategically what do we do and and what is this this
incentive program look like? But that's a conversation we need to be having. Um, >> got to have perimeters in line. Otherwise, everyone's going to want a piece of >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's got to be, my feeling is probably
got to be around a new business coming in here that either staff or the commission feel is a positive impact. So, if the commission has got the guts to pick and choose that, hey, I don't think your business plan looks good. We're not going to give you the money. I
think we need to be able to do that. If we can get steamrollers to come back, I think we, you know, we And I'm just throwing that out. It's a valuable asset. >> Yeah. >> You know, if George's uh bakery wants to come into downtown and get a bunch of
money, I think >> you got to be able to differentiate. I don't know if government can differentiate that way but maybe the commission can be the bad guys but we have to we have to make a educated >> parameters we got to put >> and I and I think we need a little
education as well as far as what we can do and you not that we're leaning in on Richard for everything but >> he's not a bad place to start. He is he has helped me a lot with my understanding on it because I'm like man we're giving away the farm and he talks
about what he did when he was at his time in Orlando with this the highrises and he's like he about got ran out of the city with what he was giving as incentives and he goes for the first five we gave a lot and it was people
were question everything. The next five they gave less. the next 40 that gave nothing. >> And you know what, Al, >> it's all ties in. >> I wanted them to hear about it. But what Al brought up at the at that one meeting
that I just never thought of that was brilliant was, "We help you in your business." But then I'll ask the guy, "How much do you spend in advertising?" And the guy, of course, they show off. So they come up with a higher number to because they want to
impress us that I'm going to help you. And the guy says, "Yeah, I'm going to spend, you know, 50 grand in advertising." And then Al says, "Okay, >> that's a condition of us helping you. You have to prove to us that you're spending 50 grand. You already said it.
You came up with the number yourself >> to bring people into downtown." Now, we got 50 grand worth of free advertising. >> So, that was that was great. >> And that was just a lunch meeting. >> Yeah. So that we tie that's the strategic parts of starting to do
everything getting the builders to pay for things if we can legally but yeah we'll help them like they did Kroger but if they leave they're giving us back the money and in exchange they're they're they're contributing to the community
the betterment of all. So there it's a it's a good that was great. Al that was a good one. >> Back with the the park impact fee. Um I talked like Willie dot we also had the master plan. I know we've been talking
about that forever. >> Um that is in this year. My recommendation is we move on that park park master plan. We need it. Um I know in the past there's been different feelings. I know Nan was like you do that you're gone. you know, and we need
it with everything we're doing. We need a an evaluation. I don't think it's the one Mount Dora did. Um, if we brought that to you, yeah, y'all need to fire me over it. Um, that was that was crazy, >> but impressive.
>> Um, the we are looking at trails master plan. We need to tie this in. It's a separate document. And you know, Greg had gotten a quote from one of the consultants and it was
like 200 grand or something. We stole somebody else's. There's a lot of stuff you can get on the internet, man. And he we pulled the whole basis of one of our neighboring Mount Dora communities. And okay, so now that gives us the
design criteria that really doesn't change. Trails trail. Let's get the sections. The work we do, we can do in house where we're identifying right away and and design. Yeah, trails
are easy design and a lot of that stuff we can do. So we brought that number down to like 70 grand, I think, as far as a trail plan. We tie that into this park master plan to make sure we're getting there. The only heartburn
I have at all um and why I'm bringing it up, Kurt Right Center. How do we do a master plan knowing that that's coming? Do we bite the bullet and say we're getting it? Do we not?
Do we defer? But we keep kicking this can down because something else is coming. Is it gonna come? We don't know. And what's what's the percentages? You know, what's the odds? Um if we know that
that's coming in a year or two, we probably should wait on the master plan or at least get started at the master plan. I don't know. And that's I have been I've been the one since when Joe Lola was here and I was like, "Dude, how are
you doing this? You're getting blown out of the water and you sound like an idiot. Every time you open your mouth, you don't have a master plan. You have nothing. You're just you're just spewing words. Get a plan on what you want to do and quit reacting every opportunity."
>> And so, we started and that lost some momentum, but it it keeps coming back. Now we're here and we got Kurt right out there and and you're looking at a plan that is a a beautiful facility for a parks and
>> so does the master plan include the assumption that that's that the school >> that was why we kicked it down the road right or not >> right and that's that's what I'm that's why I'm bringing it up if if uh I don't
know what the reality is on Kurt Right. I just I haven't been in the loop. I don't know what that reality is. >> You could send them a letter of interest. Are you in the loop on that? I'll send it to you. >> Yeah, I I would probably
uh do the master plan with the K right >> take it down the road again. >> No, that's uh >> Yeah. And it's they have been part of the conversations. I have not and all all you know and she just Miranda's like yeah I agree.
>> So there's something there's something moving with it. >> Um >> are they constructing >> and I think we can we can work a master plan both >> that that Kirk right gives us a new ball field. It gives us basketball. It gives us
>> lots of land behind >> and what's the likelihood of that actually happening? >> That's what I'm saying and they're >> it's pretty good. >> They're saying it's pretty good. >> It's really good. Yeah. >> Based on the current county >> um >> commission or is the school board who
recommen? >> Yeah. >> But he said they're starting construction on the high school for that facility. >> They'll start that in August. So that's not >> and then once and then once they're done
then the elementary school is going in until >> Oh >> until the elementary school is complete. >> So we're talking two or three more years >> 29. >> So So do we do a a not not trying to throw
a wrench. Do we do a master plan review now for a 29 implication? Is that normal? Is that good? Is that close enough? >> I >> that we don't even know what we're going to end up with. Here's what I think. Um, >> I'm not trying to mess the deal. >> No. And and I mean, I'm I brought it up
because I'm in the same thing. It's like and we all need to get on the same page is where we are. Um, we've got we've got the money in the budget. I say keep it in. Let's keep it in there. Um, it's probably not a beginning of the year thing because I
don't think that would be prudent. we're going to know. But I think by the end of that year, we may have a much better understanding of where we're at. If we lose Kurt right, we know where we're going. If we get Kurt right, we know where we're going. But until that decision is made, we don't pull the
trigger on a consultant for the master plan. >> That's supposed to be made in calendar 27. >> Which one? >> The decision on the us getting this the 80% chance of getting to school. No, we can we're in we can have that
conversation now. They said just go ahead and get started. >> To us or are we buying it? >> We're still working on Yeah. >> Yeah. >> negotiations. >> I can kill the deals. >> I I I think that I think we're in a good
position. >> Let's keep If y'all right with it, let's keep it budgeted. I won't enter in I won't spend the money until we know what's happening but let's keep it in the budget so it's budget it's coming out of the impact fee really doesn't it doesn't hurt us um
and let's let's keep that going so it it's it's approved that doesn't mean I'm writing contracts on it I'll I'll hold off executing the contract until we know what goes on the current right if for
some reason we don't know within that next year. So, you know, we're talking a full solid year from now before we would ever even start looking at a a proposal. Um, we get a little more aggressive on
where we're going. We see what it is. At that point, if we don't do it, when we do midyear review, we roll it back out. It's gone. >> I think I'm all right with that. >> So, but that way it's there and we see. But >> we're not spending the money, but it's
it's there. the opportunity arises. So, >> um, >> that was a tough one there. Uh, police impact fee. >> Are you done? >> I just need to stand. >> Yeah. Uh, police impact fee. We talked about that. EAC construction. Uh,
library impact fee. Um, this one is is and this will kind of take from this point, but this moves us to utilities. So, this will be the last one we talk about and then we'll take a break. Um, so this was the expansion
>> of that large area and redoing everything where EOC was. Um, we got had some hiccups with the the uh funding level that we thought they looked at it and said, "Well, this is an impact fee
because this is not open space to the community." Well, at that point, if we were still looking at the EOC being there, EOCC is not. EOC is over here. So, so we have a commitment of 174,000
I believe >> 157 I got yesterday. >> So, 157. The project I put in here is phase one. Um, we could do some of the interior build out to match that. and that's a
50% match. But we've readressed the square footage and has written a letter to do a higher ask. I put that second phase as unfunded because I don't know if we're getting
it. So that's where that is. If we get that money, it drops in. We do the whole plan as we have. We have the architectural plan. Um, I kind of looked at it with Keith as far as the interior buildout and changing it. Can we modify?
Could we phase it? It it would not be ideal. Um, but I think the approach that we're looking at in the letter she wrote, it they should be receptive to re-evaluating. They're basing it off a new square footage and by them making
the statement that yeah, it's it the the square footage for what would be new public use space. I think she answered that question right to where hopefully it's it's a little more favorable is what we can see. So,
we've got the money for phase one. It opens it up. If we get the the additional revenue for phase two, we're doing it. So, we're there. And do you have any idea when we'll hear? >> It was approved last night by the
library advisory board. It goes to the commission in August for the 157 and then I won't know again until next May about the rest of it. >> Gotcha. So, I think we're still good for that calendar year expense.
Um with that we are jumping to many basically two half pages and a full page of utilities. Um it's take a break restroom whatever clear minds grab some
lunch and um hit this again. Thank you. All right. So, we have worked through. We're on to page six. The water and
sewer, the utility funds. Um 40 fund, 42, 65, and 66. Uh 40 is more your utility administrative. Um
you sewer and water uh 42 fund is your RNR. Um the the replacement and renovation type stuff. 65 and 66 are impact fees. So,
um, this is where it gets a little detailed. Um, you know, I've I've come through the utility side of stuff and and uh, you know, I I have that engineering background for the utilities and it took me for a long time to be
able to figure out what a lot of this stuff is. Um, I would imagine there's a lot of questions or or you knowing the particulars. If there's something that comes out that strikes you, please ask about it. Um, Max is here. Um, he's uh
Greg's deputy director. He's over the utilities. Um, so he he can answer whatever comes up. Um, so just as as we go through again, I'll hit the big kind of the big line item
stuff, but I think it's going to go really quick. I'm not trying to I mean, I am trying to get us out of here as as expeditiously as possible. But at the same time, I want to make sure that you have answers to things
that are coming up. So, if I'm going too fast, please um rain in, ask questions, just jump into it. So, uh so getting started down in the middle, the the first big hit,
um that ERP system, that's the the Edmonds replacement, and we've got 850,000 in there. So, there's a shared cost between >> um >> was it sales tax or general fund? the one six of 178.
>> So, so the general fund and and the 40 fund, the Edmonds, a lot of the stuff with Edmonds and a lot of with this financial um system is uh the billings, tracking the accounts. Um so, a lot of
that is tied to the utilities. So, >> asset management. Yeah. And all the asset management stuff. So, so that is uh that's that's a a large component and they're they're carrying the lion share of it, but it's it's a
split >> and there's no no uh upkeep on that yearly maintenance. >> It will be operating once it's implemented >> the annual recurring cost. >> Okay. Gotcha. Okay. So, the first expenditure is the capital component.
>> Okay. Um the annex building generator, we moved that up. Um I'm not sure it was even in the five-year plan. >> It wasn't in the five-year plan. >> Um so that is one kind of the exception of the rule of putting that in, but we had trouble. And when that generator
died, um it crashed, we couldn't get it timely repaired. We lost the servers as well because the servers are over. It is out of there. So when that went down, we lost communications
um the digital communications back to city hall and across the system. Um the it's gone through a a maintenance process, but it wasn't flagged for replacement. That was kind of a miss on our part, and that's that's why we had
to bite the bullet and put it in. uh the engineer, the administration building buildout, that is a component for the engineering department. Um they've got a small section that's going over to 21 Grove to Wells Fargo. Um
they're paying their part of that buildout as well. So that'll come out of the utility fees. So the the whole buildout cost is is covered from primarily building department to to
utilize those excess funds while we can. Um but some here some fire admin because they're housing it and then police impact excuse me police impact fee uh to help with the component for the EOC downstairs. So that's how all the
buildout comes out. Um, looking down the sewer big item is the uh the camera vehicle. Um, I believe that went up a little bit max from what it was just that's
something we've been carrying. >> 75. >> So, yeah. So, that that went up a bit just, you know, pricewise. Um, what that piece of equipment is, it we actually it's a camera on like a track
system and you can push down into the sanitary pipes and and identify if there's damage or blockage and then we know what type of repair to come in. So, >> didn't we did we have one of these already storm
>> or did we rent one? >> So, we have one at at utilities. We just got one for storm water side. This one's for sewer. >> You don't cross, you know, we're not going to put the sewer down. >> Yeah. >> Um but yeah, we the one we have
currently is a 1978 something like that van. >> The equipment we've upgraded the equipment in it. Um that was probably a few years back. >> But yeah, it's time for all new. >> Okay.
What do you do with that old one? I saw that one recently used. >> It works it actually wants it. Paint paint it black with a red stripe. Make it a team on the side. It looks >> Will will you will that go over to
>> if if uh public works wants it in that equipment they it'll go to them and then if not >> that's kind of with with public works being under general fund they get the hand-me-down stuff. >> Um there's not value then then we
usually take it to Gideonss and auction it. So we'll surplus it the the yard out at um >> uh no what's it called there? It's on the other side of >> Tangerine Tangerine. Tangerine El Pas >> Zwood.
There you go. >> My bad. Traded bus. >> Pull all the equipment out and throw some seats in there. It's only got like 7,000 miles on it. >> Oh god. It looks like it's got should have 500. >> It should. It should, but it's short
trips. Um the Bates Avenue the plant generator overhaul. um 800 grand. >> Greg, touch base on that. >> Yeah. So, right now we're looking at the the generator. Um the motor itself has
is in decent shape. Um the the generator side is declining. It's still in the good right now. The consensus is more of a replacement than a rebuild. And uh so currently at a
at a 750k generator, we got a price just for the generator that was 450 450. That doesn't include the tanks and it doesn't include the transfer switch. So this project will be turning into a
replacement. It'll also help cover when we take that generator offline, we have to rent a large generator and hook it up. So we have that redundancy. So that's where the rest of the money is going to be spent. >> And is is that in conjunction with the
office renovation? What is that about >> this? This powers the the whole wastewater plant. >> Okay. >> So when we lose power in hurricanes, it keeps all that all that equipment running, all that high voltage equipment running.
>> Yeah. So when you look at this generator, you see the other generators around there, you know, like your home generators 20k. The one over that we're looking at at customer service is 125k. This one's 750. >> It's a big one. It's >> monster.
>> Yeah. It's put it on the back of a semi and bring it in kind of generator. >> And where's it delivered to? I mean, where do you place it? >> It is It has a building, not a wastewater plant. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> I was asking about the office renovation
where >> the office renovation. That's the um twotory building. So the the twotory building is basically a facade on the bottom. It was a concrete building underneath and they built
>> um over that building. Um and the gap in between the two over the years is moisture. We've had some settling of the wood in the floors and we've had some repair work done, but it's not it's it
needs a lot of attention. >> So the 3031 >> Where's that? >> So that's for that. No, you got 3031. Yeah. Yeah, it's a fiveyear. >> Yeah, that's we just put it in. So, it's
in the fifth year. Yeah. >> Back up a new line item. Um the the very last one of page six said the new lift station generators when during the the hurricanes and we
lose power. Um, one of the largest manpower items for the wastewater guys is getting out and getting making sure as we lose power that all of our lift stations are running. If the lift
stations aren't running and we don't have generators on them, they have to bring out temporary generators, set them, bring the lift station down, leave, make sure they're back before it stages up
again so we don't end up backflowing the lines like we all know about. Um, we have gone through something we started doing last year. Um, did like a a We had an engineering firm help us, but we kind
of led the effort. We prioritized all of our lift stations that don't have generators. And we prioritized off of like draw down times. Just it's not necessarily what comes in because
they're different sizes. So if we if it's full, we pump it down. How long until it's full again? So we looked at that as one component. we looked at it is the ease of construction and cost of construction as another component and
then environmental sensitivity. You know, we've got one on Lake Eustus. If that overflows and we're going into Lake Eustus, that's damage control we can't cover. So, we went through and we prioritized the lift stations out. We have a total
of 48 lift stations. I believe it it keeps increasing. 48 41 >> um >> and there were like 16 of them that don't have generators and and that number might be off a little bit but it's close and we
prioritized and that's what this is this is doing one a year um getting the engineering the construction and putting these in. We're trying where we can put everything on natural gas. If there's natural gas there and we can run gas out, you always have that. we don't have
to worry about bringing out propane tanks and and you know having diesel and making sure those are filled because they don't run other than like our checkout time. It just sits there. So it's it's just as the hurricanes come,
we always go and fill out our our tanks as as they're starting to come in. The storms are moving faster and faster than they have. You know, we're we used to have three, four, five days notice. We're having storms pop up and in 48
hours they're hitting us and they're hitting us at strength. It is hard to get everybody out. So, if we can tie everything into gas, we'll pay that extra component to bring the natural gas. As long as it, you know, not a thousand foot run, but we're kind
of prioritized. We're knocking these out one at a time. Um, I did submit the whole list um to Nan for some federal money. Um, she thought there was a federal opportunity for some of this. Haven't heard back, but we're going to continue
to look at this. We can pull one out at a time, but in the meantime, we're looking at this. First one we did was Lake Gracie. So, there there's a lift station right there, Lake Gracie. It didn't have a generator and it's it was high flow and if that thing overflowed I
mean politically we got a hard time or recovering from that. I mean th those people would have us you know definitely be complaining about it and rightfully so. Uh that was the highest priority we did that one. Our
next one is out at Sardinia. high volume. Um, real high volume. Plus, for the guys to get that far out, it was taking a bunch of manpower to be able to get out there and pump it down. So, so this was a big project we did at
engineering and this is a resulting construction and and so we're moving forward on that. And again, I I think we will be able to get some funding, but I'm I'm listing those out and and >> say federal funding. Did you mean to say federal? >> Yes.
>> Not state from No, it's federal. She had um someone had approached her and she's like, "What?" You know, and different things would qualify and she's like, "What do you have?" And I'm like, "Oh, this one." And we just had the we actually we had had the analysis done,
but they hadn't written the the tech report for us. So, we pushed the engineers and and Wright Pierce is a firm. They got it done and it was like we got a tour. Um I I don't I I would think we would have heard something from that, but we were looking at the whole
hit for that getting them all done. Um I think we can do one at a time. I mean, there is definitely money if a storm comes up. It it kind of retrips the cycle on some of these these grants. So I I I think
we're positioned pretty well to be able to bring some funds in even if we don't the this first probably eight or nine we need anyway just just for our reliability of our system tertiary filter that's out 2829 that's
moving forward that is kind of an expansion Um, I know we just did Bates Avenue and and that was a big hit that got us up to we're calling it um
>> 2.9. >> Yeah. 2.9 MGD million gallons per day. If we hit three MGD, we have to staff it more more hours. Um, >> what is that? >> Pardon? >> What is a tertiary filter?
>> Tertiary filter. It it's it's it's it's one of the the backend filters of the wastewater plant. >> Um and for us to come up to that next level, we stayed at at under three million gallons a day so we don't have to increase staffing as as long as we
can, but we know that there is going to be more as we continue to grow. So that tertiary filter is part of the next expansion. There's that and the lift station that we have to do. So that's in there. Um if we don't see the demand
um you know it's still it's engineering in two years and then the construction in three. If we don't see the demand we'll we'll we'll push that down another year. We're not going to do it just to do it. Um but we'll see where we go on
that. the infiltration in intrusion, you know, 170,000, 210,000, it it goes back and forth. That that's study work. It's as as water
storm water enters into the the wastewater system, it it comes in infiltration and and intrusion. So, like if a manhole lid is is off, all that water is just coming in. If somebody broke a clean out, all that
all that's infill. Uh, but also if we have clay lines and they're cracked, those are below the groundwater. So, the groundwater is just continually feeding whether it's a storm event. And there's a whole process, engineering process. Um, for a long time, we buried our head
in the sand and just it's like this is hard. We have to smoke test. We have to do all types of stuff. and and we knew we had issues and if we had found the issues then we would fix them. This effort is to actually go
through and find them. So we record the flows at night when everybody's sleeping. You don't you know you have a minimum of sewer use. So what are the flows? We do it at dry time. We do it at wet time. um we check during the day and
with that there's a lot of analysis you can figure out is what's groundwater coming in um during the the the wet season what's rainwater coming in and the efforts that we have done now um we
we were operating at a certain flow at our plant we have dropped 400,000 gallons and it's probably more since then so that was storm water 400,00 000 gallons of storm water coming into our
plant that we're treating. So, one, we have the operating cost, but when you think about Bates Avenue, that was a 600,000galon expansion, and it cost us $10 million to expand. So, this is it's a a big hit, but if we're
eliminating that, we're taking flows out of our wastewater plant. We don't need to do expansion. So, it has been highly highly successful for us. Um,
master lift station upgrade 800,000. That is the main lift station outside of the plant. That's kind of the problem. Um, lift station that we have. Uh, we're doing engineering and expansion on that.
Um, do you know, Max, what the fixes are going to be out there or what's or is that coming out through the engineering process? >> Uh, some of the electrical needs to be upgraded to accommodate larger pumps and they're going to also be looking at alternative pumping systems or just a
way to set one up for extra redundancy, but mostly electrical. And down in the well, there's some structural damage like concrete work that needs to be redone. That's mostly the scope for that >> and that 800 is that engineering or do you have engineering money this year?
>> Engineering is this year we had a kickoff about a month ago. >> All right. I want to make sure we are looking at floral. >> Yeah. >> And even though that's not tied to this list station, but let's make sure we're looking at that. >> Thank you.
Um Old Eastern plant demolition 150,000. That that plant it's a metal plant. Um, we're not using it. That was the one that the CDDs bought. It never ran well. Um,
we can demo that plant. It's not killing us by having it there. We don't need the space. Um, we moved it up because we're talking to some salvage people and we think there was a point where it was almost break even. they would they would
salvage and scrap it and take the metal and we give them the metal, they take it away. Um, we put 150,000 in because the salvage prices are not there. Um, but we will enter into a demo contract and see
if we can get rid of it. We can tear it down. We've got the extra space out there. But it's it is a workar around right now, but it's a lot of metal and and just kind of trash equipment that's out there. So, >> um, big hit.
>> Can I just for a second ask on that right under that that the CR4 the force main phase two >> expansion is that going down to the Grand Island area? Is that where is that? that is from uh Trout Lake area. Uh we have a lift
station 27 the and it runs along the bypass road, turns and goes down Hicks ditch to lift station in front of lift station 7. So that's a line that we've had issues with. >> It's a replacement of an existing.
>> Yeah, it is a replacement. >> Right. Right now, I mean, we've had that line pop on us several times over the several years. We've got it We've got it bypassed right now into the Umatillo line and so that line's dead right now till we get it replaced.
>> We were having we were getting a break >> we we had a total like >> six four years. >> Yeah. >> And it's right there by trout like it's all that's all wetland right around there >> and we can't figure out why it's
blowing. Um I think it goes back to pipe defect. >> It's a a lateral crack down the pipe, which is not like a loading. If if if somebody parked over it or loaded it, it tends to be a
longitudinal. These are cracking lengthwise. Um, we've checked for air hammers in lines. We've done just a ton of engineering stuff. Only thing I can go back is just defective material that was put in that is premature failure, but >> and it's in one area. I mean, that's stretch across.
>> Yep. So yeah, we're >> it's it's well >> and it's a big run. So >> yep, >> we don't uh budget for anything extra sewer lines running way down 44 into Grand Island to where this new expansion stuff and even the county's Lake Yale
stuff. >> Yeah, that'll be for the developer. The developer picked that up. >> That's where I was headed. >> Absolutely. Yeah. No, >> so they pay it all. We're not going to build that line >> down 44 to um camp road or uh fish camp. >> Fish camp. No, the only thing that we
would pay for is if we want to upsize it if they they will put in what they need to service their territory, their subdivision, their and if we want to upsize it so we can tie in more um then we would pay to upsize it like we did
the Umatillaa line. son of pain. Is that something you can negotiate with them and say, "Hey, we need you to do this and then we might give you waiverss for whatever you might want. >> Can you play that game?" >> We can definitely try to play the game. Um there's also uh it's not Homestead
agreements, but um >> Pioneer Pioneer agreement. Thank you. I know it was something cowboyish. >> I just think we're really soft. >> We're really too nice on that stuff. >> Yeah. and and they have tried to force this one down
our throat a little bit and we're not swallowing. We're not there. >> The 44 one I'm talking about. >> Yep. And we're we're holding fast. >> We have a route that they need >> out of our money. >> Yeah. Yeah. We we have a route that they need to take >> and you know not tied into the rest of
the system that's going to bog down the other part of the system. So >> yeah, they wanted to tie into existing list stations and we're making them bring it all the way out to the Umatella line >> and You know, when we're talking about the upsizing, like Umatella needed a a 10-inch line, I think, to get
their force main down. We upsized it to a 16 and we paid that differential cost. So, we had all the pricing in. We got the material quote for the 10 in and then we we got the material quote for the 16. We paid the difference because the construction going in is relatively the same. >> So, you just paint for material, not
just paint material >> for the difference in material cost. >> That's it. just material >> and it it almost doubled the capacity. >> Yeah. They they will pay for a 16, we will pay for or they will pay for the 10, we will pay for the difference between a 10 and a 16 material
>> material only. >> So the difference >> that's a good move. That's a good negotiation. >> Yeah. And because they they got to pay to get it in the ground one way the other. So we always we're we're looking at that and and you know and that's a decision that we'll bring back to y'all when when that comes and if that comes.
>> I don't see any commissioner who's going to tell you not to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it makes sense. >> Oh, I will add two on that 44 line that we're replacing. We're upsizing that too for future growth just in case. >> Yeah. So, there is a line going out. >> This one? This one? >> That one? >> Yeah. So, the one that's kept busting
>> development that we approved or that got approved there at Fish Camp and not 44. What? That is 44, is it? >> Yeah. Going towards Grand Island. >> Yeah. Yeah. That across from the where the new 7-Eleven and all that came. >> There's no force main service out there,
is there? Yeah. >> So, when someone goes to build that and wants to get annexed, >> I don't know how to say it, but >> they've got to pay for it. >> You got and put it in >> and that'll go that'll go into the developers agree >> and pay for the extra upgrade for us.
What are they going to say? No. And then we keep talking. If they need a waiver, then you need to tell I feel like I don't know how you guys think, but I feel like they that they need to tell us, he needs to tell us, hey, we, you know, we're negotiating
this. Don't approve, you know, don't give up the waivers so quickly unless they're going to pay for the upgra >> the whole thing. >> Yeah. >> And that and that's one thing >> we'll never see them again after they're >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's true. So, that's one thing that Greg and I can do is as
we bring the annexations to you all, the annexations will come with the developers agreement because anytime we're doing the utilities outside of the city, um even if even if it's not even if it's not annexation, they have to do a developer agreement or we won't serve them. So, at the
developers agreement, we state what needs to be done in there. At that point, we'll we'll bring the upsize to you and make sure that you all know that as well. So when we're bringing it, they need 8 inch. We're asking for 10 inch. So we have it in
>> water, sewer, fire, impact, all those. >> Let's start being a little more aggressive. And I think >> the other municipalities are though. >> Yeah, >> Rick. They're very aggressive in that >> where we're right. And I think with
where we're we're getting and yeah, heck, it hasn't been till last couple years that we started doing impact fees again. >> Yeah. There for the longest time because we wanted to get all the growth and get all this in >> and then we were we're slow to pull
back. Oh, absolutely. And and we've lost a lot. Um, >> so yeah, so we're as we're moving forward, we'll make sure that that that's included in the stuff we >> free your money.
>> Free money. >> That's the kind of stuff that gets me excited about budget. >> Moving down the water, we got a a backhoe coming in. Is that replacing a an older backho max?
The 350 grand in the water side backho ladder. >> Yeah, that's the replacement of the one one we have already. >> How's the one you have? Is it in decent shape or >> um it's just nickel and diamond? Really? >> Yeah. >> So, public works and they can >> Yeah.
>> build hoses for it. got a series of water mane replacements and and that CI replacement. That's cast iron. Cast iron's a uh when when you break those pipes, you know, when we're tearing them out, it
could be like a 6 inch pipe and it's about 3 in. And it's just this knurled rust look of stuff. It's pretty kind of nasty looking. Um we're trying to get the cast iron out. Um It's really, it's
not that it's bad water quality, but you're losing flow as as that builds in. Also, if somebody opens a fire hydrant, then flow is normally going one direction and you open up a hydrant to flush something and you now have flow going the other
direction, that's when you get the rusty water because it's pulling those sediments out. And then I'm sure you all get phone calls, my water's rusty. Um, so that'll happen. So we're that's that's part of our
program. We've got a lot of it out and the last page, page eight, 1.7 million on the ground storage tank. >> That is the Ardis tank. That's the one we were going to rehab. Um, we got the new tank in. So, now we're working on
the old tank. We brought a company in to do a rehab job. Um, they had concerns with the dome. So, they did some testing on it, coreboard it, and and all. And it failed. It's not structurally sound
anymore. It needs to come down. So, it's out of service. Uh, we're in design now, and then we'll be ready to build it next year. >> Endless. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, >> maintenance. That tank is
60s. >> Yeah, >> I think so. >> It it served its life. >> Yeah. >> With with the the water plants, the the four in town plants, they're all interconnected.
So, Eastern and Heathrow, they're separate, you know, and each of those serve their own thing. But all these other plants are all interconnected. so he can take that tank down and maybe the Hazelton plant is pumping more. Um, so
we have that that luxury of tying those all together and it's all under one cup as well. So when we go through to maintain the system, the other plants can compensate when we take this this out. So, it is nice that
they're all interconnected and and you know, we're we're staying aggressive on what we're trying to do. I mean, we need a good water system. Um, we have never like just get by. We're we're looking as
far as the maintenance, but also making sure that we do have capacity available as opportunities come up. um you know the the water where our plants are able to run much more of a
volume than what they do. Um the main part of town we're not as limited by the cup is out east and the cups which is what the groundwater that you can withdraw is limited solely to the developments that
we're serving. So, we draw as much as we can to serve the homes that are there. If anybody comes in out at East and they want new service, which is why we had the conversations about Santara and and
White Rose, um we need to break those CS and expand our CS and that is through St. John's and it is a difficult process and it's getting more and more difficult as we go. Um there is a point where
um water avail groundwater aquifer availability is is good in this part of the the state. Um 10 years from now it's going to be much more of a challenge. Um that's a you know some of y'all know
that that job my wife is working on. They are in the hundreds of millions of dollars in design fees and they are drawing water for PK County. It's a Pulk County water initiative from the lower lower Florida
and aquifer. Um it's basically salt water that they're pulling out and then they're pulling for all of the county. They treat that and then they pump that to all the different municipalities. Huge job. Billions of dollars of construction costs.
and it is just Florida is getting very limited on the groundwater. So, we're not there. I don't know that we'll ever have a project like that, but um it's made for some very heated conversations at home with her being the
the engineer. It's like, well, you all just have to pay for the water. You got to quit just doing water and raise the rates. Well, me as a water guy, you know, it's it's that that makes for some pretty rough conversations back and forth, but it is
rates are going up four, five times what they were and you got to recoup those costs and they're just not able to get the groundwater. So, we're not there. But when we talk challenges between that and PAS, those are our
biggest challenges for a utility, I think. Hey Rick, the uh water meter rebuild and replace program >> is that >> taking out all the old and putting in all the new ones
>> throughout the whole city? >> Yeah. Yeah, we we have a program um we go we go back so many years um and if it's an old meter, we pull it out, put in a new one. We did go through
a period where we were pulling a meter and rebuilding it and sticking it back in. So, that's where the rebuild comes in. Sometimes the tops will break and it's just the heads broken. So, we buy new heads and we stick them on the uh good body. Um, so yeah, it's it's an
ongoing ongoing project or program. >> How long have they good for? >> I believe it's uh 7 to 10 years, I think. Can we have that? >> Does that Does that incor I'm sorry. Go
ahead. Go >> ahead. >> Does that incorporate this the I don't know what I'm calling it. Is it Wi-Fi or is it >> smart meters? Yeah. >> Yeah. Is that that is that communicating to the truck when the truck drives by or is it communicating free of the truck? >> It's when the truck drives.
>> So the truck slowly drives by and it picks it all up. >> Yeah. It picks up a big area. Yeah. >> Eventually tie that into the actual internet. truck has to drive, right? >> Yeah, I think they have systems where you can >> We tried some of that. >> Yeah, we did one out at Eastern and with
the elevation changes, it wouldn't pick up half of it, so we had to go out there anyway. We had it at a lift station out there. Um, but I mean, it's out there. >> That technology is out there. >> So, lastly, let's just kind of run
through this unfunded list. Um, I kind of explained to you why we have it. Um, some of the stuff gets a little antiquated. It's in there because it was a a uh like a wish list maybe. So, it's
there we can take off. We can add on it. It gets it into our capital program so it's it's more receptive. It's basically we don't have the funds at hand. We may have a game plan like some of the stuff for the downtown implementation plan.
Um but we'll go through. So the C plane dock um that that's the first one the 500 grand we have that we're in design we we're still we're moving in with permitting the Army Corps permitting is
a long aruous process. Um even though we think from the efforts with the the the waterfront implementation plan this dock may change. Um, we are still going after the Army Corps
permits for that. So, we are moving to keep that that alive. If it changes and we want more boat slips to where people can come into town, park at the boat slip, come into the restaurants, because right now we're
limited in what we have. Um it's easier to crack that permit that we have than it would be to go through the process again. So um we're keeping it there. Uh Tedford is a storm water job
that we have um that fell off of the the onto the unfunded because the storm water funds tight. It is there's some localized flooding. project is not the magnitude that I want to go upside down on fun balance. So, we pulled it. Um, Bay Street and Orange
Avenue, that's the storm job where it is for years and years and years, we wouldn't address it. And it's like, I don't want to bring it to you. Um, it's not ours. It's a county road.
It's a state road. And everybody is just pointing fingers and we do nothing. Um, I did engineering on it. Um, we did some some conceptual engineering. The fix is not easy. Um, if it was, we I would have
brought that to you a long time ago. Um, the fix kind of takes moving storm water from other areas of the city and not letting it get here. So, we have to move it to other areas. It's a big hit. It's very rough number. you're looking at
about a $5 million job. Um getting this in here. I've already had conversations with DOT. Um when their director was in um you know, and they're trying to to talk about the the project that they
just finished and like you we didn't address storm water and that's out there and we're coming back and they're on I mean they're they're with us. So, it is going to have to be a definitely a multi- um jurisdictional project. You know,
it's going to take Lake County, DOT, US, and probably appropriations. Um but we need to do something because it's it's going to continue to flood. When we get the rains, it it'll drop down. You know, in an hour the water's
gone, but it's just you're pushing up against the lake and all that head that tail water. is is not going. So, um I've got that in there so we can go after um some funding. Uh the fire station 4 we
talked about, that's the land in the station. Um the Northshore Bridge construction for 5.1 million. Uh we got the appropriations for the engineering uh state appropriations. Nan helped us with that. So, we're in engineering.
That's the actual tear out and redo. It's a little pricey for a culvert, but that has that Florida gas transmission main running in it as well. So, they will have they will be responsible for that component to either protect it or
replace it, but their gas man is good. It makes the construction much more difficult. So, that's in and we would definitely need some funding to replace that. >> So, we we will be able to get another bite at the apple. >> Uh yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. and and we let them know when we
went in um that that this is the engineering and the construction's coming. Uh Carver Park softball field lights 450,000. That is um to do a full change out the Musco
lighting. It's a big hit for the use that's out there. We changed out through public works, changed out the elements to the LED bulbs. Um went out and did our own internal phototric study. We are meeting
the light requirements in every area except for one that's recommended for recreational use. And the one we can't do has an active osprey nest. >> So, we can't get in there yet. And uh no matter how much we'd like to, you don't want me to do that. Um, I learned my
lesson a long time ago when I was with Florida Power Light. I'll do that. Um, so yeah. So, as that goes down, we'll do that. I think honestly I think that jobs this 450,000 in here is is dead because I think the improvements that we were
able to do in house is is adequate for for the use that's out there. >> Did we ever take care of um the tennis courts, the lights over there? here. You know, >> we probably ought to call Sam and ask him.
>> You know what? >> I was ready to move that up as number one priority, but he's not here anymore. >> Okay, bottom of the list it is. >> Yeah. >> Let's see. PD's here, man. What do you need? Yeah, we'll give you that light money.
>> Um, so I don't know, but we know what you know which t the sunset ones or >> Yeah, sunset. I'll have Greg check on that. Aquatic Center, that's the 3.2 million that's moving the pool.
>> Um, >> is that the one moving it? >> That's that's putting in the new pool. >> Yeah. >> Sunset Park. >> I hope if I can convince one of those commissioners up there. Um, but we'll we'll talk more in master plan or the
the workshop on that. Now, at Sunset Park, that was just a small pool, right? >> Mhm. >> Yeah, that's what this one is. >> $3 million >> because I I would think that that cost would be the big one
>> for the Olympics. That's a lot. >> That's like double the big one. >> That's Yeah, that's what we got. So, it's it's a pool, the splash pad, and a building. You got to have restrooms and >> just the bathroom.
>> Okay. >> And >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Um I rather put that money into the big doozy, but you guys already know that. >> Put it into what? >> Put it into fixing up
>> the big >> the big the big one. The big >> the Carver Park whole thing. We just do one all at once and >> there we there's a lot of other problems out at Sunset Park. I don't know if you all want to talk about it or not. That's not what we're supposed to, but that's
part of strategic plan. >> Yeah, I think defer that we're we're going to have more communication on that in the workshop. >> The workshop. Yeah. >> Um Corey role that was to to make that be
artificial turf. I don't know. Is that still on the books or do we still want to do it? We it got bumped as a project and put onto this unfunded list because we don't have the money. I would say if we can get the grant money. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Keep it on there. Let's do it. But if we don't get the grant money, >> everything with grant money.
>> I don't know. I don't know. We had the appetite to do that. Um it'll help the playability. You know, it it's with with SAD. If you play in rain, you're tearing it up. >> Exactly. And so that's their
um hydraulic mobile stage. I I think that's something events wanted at one point. >> Is this a split between It's a split between the two of them, right? >> Yeah. >> Yes.
>> The 150 I think came. We pay a four. I was amazed what we pay to rent that stage to put on Eustace Street. How much was it to rent the stage? It was like a crazy number. That tractor trailer stage that >> Oh, yeah. I don't remember. I was thinking on the addition because the
addition that we did was cheap. >> Um >> No, but that stage um >> Oh, yeah. That's the one. What's his name? Uh R uh did for us. >> The one on Houston Street. >> The one that we did at Houston Street. >> It >> Yeah. I don't I don't I don't recall
what that was. It was a lot. And I think that's what tripped this putting it in. >> How much was it? I just know I went nuts, but it it it might have been 20 grand. It was a crazy >> talked about from the last George Fest, the big stage. >> It was Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> We didn't do that again last year if you noticed. >> And what we paid for the trailer for the George Fest to take these crappy commissioners around was the same, too. >> Crappy. >> You know, I with everything that we're doing, >> Billy pulled his shoulder out. I almost
got punctured lung. you know, with everything that we're doing, all the the the things that we're doing downtown now, all of the the the uh events, why don't we move this up? >> Why don't we fund this
>> the stage? >> Yeah, >> it's such a small number, too. >> I hate to say it. It's a lot of money, but it's a small number >> because >> I would rather get rid of or the turf or push the turf down and if you're going to move, >> but that's also >> if you figure it's 25 grand, it'll
probably be 30 2530. That's that'll six six years payback. >> But that should be that's in our conversation. Aren't we talking about somehow putting up um extending the stage and putting up barriers so that we can kind of charge to go in? Isn't that
>> That's a shell for the band. This is this is a portable stage we kind of put down by brick and barrel. >> And then if we start red developing the downtown, it might not be end up being there. It might be there, but might be moved around as we grow. >> Might be all the way down behind behind.
>> Yeah, exactly. Down there. >> Let me u let me look at let me look at pulling that and and we'll figure out >> something to think about. >> Yeah. Which fund we can put it in. What that what that does. Fund balance and >> anything you can pay back. My theory and and the numbers. Yeah. Anything you can
pay back in seven years or less is worth >> and it I mean we can do a nice stage. >> That's not a lot. >> Somebody said about the order. I just want to make sure you guys are clear. This is not in any particular order. >> Yeah. It's not a priority. It's not less. It's more just says they came in. We put them in.
>> Yeah. You know, we had the the uh Japan fest, you know, to be able to have this out there, you know, would have been great. >> They paid for their they paid for that stage. They paid big bucks for that. >> And and >> yeah, it would be for city.
>> They could have paid at city events. >> No. What's wrong with that? I don't know. I think that's the smartest thing you said since I've been a commissioner. Why not? >> I'm sitting right here. >> Why can't we Yeah. Someone events want to someone else wants to use it. It's 25 grand to rent it from someone else.
We'll rent it to you for 15 grand. Yeah, I'll look at I'll look at getting that kicked up >> after that one. >> Um, parking garage. >> The parking garage is is uh we looked at a design build. Um, we've re revised a
number. We've looked at it a couple times, but these numbers are maybe a year and a half old. Um, so I think they're pretty solid numbers. That is a ground plus two. So ground floor parking plus two decks.
>> How many spaces is that? >> Uh, 280 I believe. Don't hold me to that, but I believe that was a number >> and that should be a devel a developer paid and maybe shared with us. >> And that's that's why it's kind of on this list. It's something and I don't
think the need is right now. Um, I think the need is coming. >> How many stories did you say? >> Two stories. >> Oh, I was thinking I thought we said like four or five. >> The atrium one was a four story. >> This is Yeah. >> Have we talked to um cuz remember we
went up and we talked to the >> I asked for the drawings on it and I >> and they still haven't given it to us. >> Yeah, we haven't got them. >> Let me hit them up again. We went up to Durstress to look at they had a they had a a parking garage they did in Tampa. Um
started delivering it. The company went upside down or the project went upside down and they moved all the stuff back. It's sitting out there. We went and looked at it. Um you know, it wouldn't be that we'd have everything. We do it for free. They would they'd have to re-engineer it. Um, but it's something
we could get for probably half the price by the time you get it re-engineered and constructed. >> Um, so it is something we looked at. I just needed to look at the plans to find out what's the size and and where do we fit it and what do we do? Um, but
actually went out and, you know, put my eyes on the pieces that are out there and I just needed to see the structural drawings on it. >> You have a contact for that and the code coding department and everybody there who handles that with the owner.
>> So, uh, Commissioner Hawkins had kind of said that they had reached out to him. So, he grabbed me and brought us out there and yeah, so we've been working with >> and I followed up with him, I think, three times and never heard back from. >> Yeah, he's called me. I've talked to him. >> I'll give you the name of the guy. >> Yeah. I don't know who you're talking
about. I'll tell you who I'm talking about. Talked to Brian. And when we talk about a garage, when I asked about the the one we currently have, they said that they it cannot be it wasn't built so that you could add storage to it. If we do a garage, are we going to think in
terms of something that you can continue to add to our building >> Lester? That's who I am. >> That's who we've been talking to. Tell them we're looking for the plans on the old uh >> We're looking for the plans on the the
surplus parking garage from that they have. >> Okay. You hit him up and I hit mine up. We tagged him. >> It's not the same person. >> Nope. Uhuh. >> But Jared was out there when we when we met. >> It's actually Garrett, I think.
>> Is it? >> G. >> Maybe that's why he's not hit me back. >> I have Jared. J A R E. Yeah, I call that Garrett. Isn't that how you spell Garrett? J A G G A R R E T. >> G
we'll see where that goes. Um sorry, mayor, what was your what was your question? >> Yeah, I was asking if we are talking about two stories, is there a capacity to be able or build it so that you can add more stories? it.
>> Why would they get smaller? Anyway, why don't >> it sounds easy to say the the difference of a twotory versus a fourstory? Your your substructure, the stuff underground is
vastly different. Um, you know, depending on your soil conditions. >> So, there's like a loading. We did on the twotory we did Geotech. We can go with a different type of footing. a a cheaper, more conventional footing, spread footing type thing, you could do
two stories up. Um, to go an additional story, you had to go with a different type of footing and and more of a reinforced, deeper pile type thing. Uh, the soils there could only carry two. So, if you did two, you couldn't really add on because you would sink it. Um,
so >> it's a lot of times it's you you hear, >> you know, I've heard the rumors about this garage over here, you can add another deck on. >> Um, >> I heard you can't. >> Yeah, you can. I looked at the drawings. It It is not possible from what's there.
Uh, the layout of that parking garage, I would tear that down and build a parking garage. >> You know who told me that? Porter's father, the old man. He was he actually bought that land >> heard. Yeah. >> In his name, closed the deal from an old-timer instead of the city buying it
and then he assigned the contract >> y >> to the city and the city got it for a lot less than that guy wanted to sell it. >> Um but the old man is pretty he's fading now but he said no George you can build on that. So that's
>> I've got the plans on it and yeah. Um >> so why are we only thinking two stories? >> Well, with with that is because that's all that soil could carry. So if we went up >> um the thing is if we know we need more
than that, the incremental cost is is more for for more of a pile construction. And you know, and you all hear, "Oh, you got to do piles and it's a deal killer." There, nothing kills a deal. It's just a matter whether your performer works or your
performer doesn't work. Um, piles don't scare me. You just have to get the bang of your buck and make sure that the project we're doing, you know, can can warrant it. If there was a demand for more, absolutely.
Right now, we're saying we need a parking garage. Okay. How big? We don't know. We don't know. We need a parking garage. Um, very few times have I ever seen that full. So, one thing we're doing, um, with the the downtown implementation,
there are consultants and they do parking and they do parking versus what your uses are now and what you're planning. And we're going to get that and actually get started with that. Show them what we have planned, what the timelines are, what the uses are around
town. when we think the three blocks would develop. And we don't have to hit it all with one parking garage. I think we strategically place parking garages. We build a prototype. I like the half block thing because we
have a lot of properties that are half block. We we do we get this design, build, prototype done. We can drop one in uh behind mega properties. We can drop one in by Lake Mechanical. Um or the Lake
County Action Agency. We've got a same footprint. We can drop one in over here where that that garage is. Um not sure. I haven't looked, but we know that the Wells Fargo the parking lots that we bought as well. I'm not sure if
that's a full half block or not. I need to look and see if that would fit the same thing, but we know that that's space there and that's opportunities. So I think rather than looking why wouldn't we go higher um the cost to go up is more because of
the foundation changes and would it be more prudent to do two two stories versus one four story? I don't know. But I think that's what that study can can kind of help us. >> But for the long long-term picture for
the 5 10 25 50 year plan, >> we do need that. >> Yeah. And that's what and that's what when we have the when we have these the parking consultants come in. >> And I think the one >> we're going to share that. >> Yeah.
>> The one past what you called the mega building. I don't think it should be there by the way. I think it should be by Lake Action as far north as we can go so that we can catch the community center and wherever we create not to lecture but >> I'm sorry I don't mean to but wherever we can expand the corridors people don't
walk past parking garages and walkability according to Winter Garden. Um so all the way north all the way south the the uh park fair and park on this side and then maybe the library or
somewhere out that way creates those three. So, we did a we did a plan with Tom with Rick u with Ron that far back and that's how it kind of broke out. But we want to infill we want to keep the
walkability. >> Yeah. and where you put a garage. If we have to put a garage in the middle, then the first floor of the garage has to be retail or usable. And then the garage over top of it, which is very common in in in bigger urban municipalities.
>> There's a couple real nice. There's one with a Target on the second floor in Fort Lauderdale. >> So, you have the first floor target, second floor target, then parking garages. I mean, that's real big time down the road. It's not going to happen here. But it just it creates walkability
>> and that's you know so that >> that's what Winter Garden is suffering with now. They can't go any farther because of that. >> Yeah. >> And the cons one of the consultant ladies now works for Lake 100 I'm sorry for lead.
Um, and she'll have, you know, she could be a really good source. But that lady that we all met with, what was her name? >> No. >> Betsy. >> Betsy. >> And we get her for free now as part of
uh lead. >> Yeah. I mean, that that's potentially first first step into it, too. >> Sorry. >> Yep. All good. Um, The other thing I was going to say on that is we do need parking. I just you said what you said and when I during the
Japanese festival they were parked >> they're parking everywhere >> during certain events they're going we we build one of the three lots. >> We're upside down. >> Yeah. >> So I don't know what you and Levy got planned for that but you got to that we are going to
>> that doesn't sound like enough to me for the future. >> 280 spots. >> Jesus. Well, basic math. What fits on the three lots now? We really don't use the fountain lot much, but the other two lots, there's How many spaces? Cars probably fit there. >> Um, >> less than 280.
>> It it it's less. Yeah, we went that came into play when we size that first. >> So, when you take those two out, you need to replace it with one garage, but then you don't compensate for the things that you're building within there, >> right? Because you're Yeah. You're losing that full block >> Yeah. >> of ground parking. So if you think those
three lots or two or two and a half lots bring in another need for 280 parking, now you need 500 parking split three ways. It's 150, 180, 166 per parking garage.
>> So again, it's like we need some work to figure out exactly what it is. The biggest deadliest thing we can do to this city is put us like the neighboring city who's >> no parking.
>> Um the DOT landscape maintenance. We put that in because there was talk about us doing the cleverly. >> Are we gonna Can we do something with it or I thought we weren't allowed to >> there because of all the the noise back
and forth. It's it's a little they're a little more receptive. Um >> but they still if if we want to pick that up and cover that, they'll pay for some improvements out there, >> but we're going to have to do the
maintenance. And that's what this 150 is. >> Um really not an unfunded capital project. More is a something in there. We have a hole. Um, DOT would give us probably 600 grand to do improvements.
Um, that doesn't go real far. Um, but the 150 is a yearly maintenance where we're upside down. Um, the last meeting I had, they're getting more and more receptive. I think the longer we hold out, the more willing
they're they give us some money what they're putting into it. uh the numbers have come up because it used to be that we were upside down 250 a year. Now we're getting closer. I think we get to the point where maybe if it's it's we
tie into a contract and we can get a you know helping hand that we have the the landscape the third party landscape contractor. If we can get that in, it cost maybe 50 grand and we can come in and get $600,000 worth of improvements out there
that at that point we're there. Um I know Nan is back on them after the the incident we had um you know with one gentleman passing out there. Um she's pretty upset about that and that
has kind of spurred more conversation with D. So, so that's in there because I want to make sure we have that component. >> Do we push U America in Bloom out there and start making >> I was just thinking you're reading my
mind if we could put the two together. >> Yeah, it would def it would be a if we did do that. We're gonna have to do some match money and I I would think that that is would come in under I mean it's definitely we'll take credit for it when
we go through to do the evaluation stuff and we'll make sure it's with that design criteria there. >> So much of the DOT stuff died after that freeze looks terrible. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And they're supposed to they promised us they would maintain it for three years
or something. >> Yeah. Mike's been on them. Mike Bur's been on about it. So, like we lost we lost a lot of the Clifford House stuff. That's where Publix came in and helped us. >> So, >> but it doesn't even look like they're really maintaining it either even
before. >> I saw them out um a couple of days ago. They were pretty busy on the uh the side closest to Denny's. I don't know what they were doing. >> It was a lot of them out there. >> It's just that the parts in our downtown
doesn't look good. Um the next Bay Street in orange, Mary, take that off. That's showing twice. So that that's the second time it's on there for 5 million. >> Um vote Dr. marina. If
if space if we identify some space that comes available available on the lake, um you know, big enough parcel could really lend itself to
um some boat docks in there to be able to have where people coming in through the door canal, whatever. It's like you can park your boat, come into the restaurants. I think that's kind of key. We're missing that right now. Our our
boat slips that we have are either too far down. Um, you know, I've I've talked to Daniel Deanzo, just had preliminary conversations because I'm like, "Oh, he's he's going to be upset because we're encroaching on his. He was
ecstatic over the idea because he can't park anybody there." And he's like, "Man, that's going to bring people in." Um, so I think that's a good idea. We need to look at we need the land and a decent side piece of land. Um part of when we went out to Sanford, I went
early and kind of walked. Sanford has marinas. Um they built the marina. They have a third party operator of the marina and I went in. I talked to those people and kind of just did did a little searching and they've got a phenomenal
complex and looking at the boats. Some of the stuff is recreational in and out, some of it is they're storing it. Um it brings in a lot of people to have something like that. So again, that
that's part of our our implementation plan. Um the >> consider when you put a marina if you're out too far close to we want it if it's possible to be touching the kind of
downtown seaw wall so that people come in and hit our >> I don't want I don't want a marina that's or or docks that are going to help Daniel. I want it to help the whole run of downtown. >> Absolutely. So we need it close to Fair Park. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> That's the game plan. somewhere between the community center and and you know Sharps Park kind of go >> is >> Is that the plan? I mean, we're not gonna Yes. Put one up by him. I don't It's not fair that he get >> No. No. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I agree. >> Uh is the um uh the the boat dead? The big boat that we were looking at. >> That boat is dead. >> That's one he'll build another one. He said, but He wants us to buy it
>> now. Is our appetite >> where's our appetite for that? >> Well, the appetite was easy when >> we were saying it was it was a no-brainer. But now to spend >> 500 something Yeah. and more now
>> changes the whole thing. >> Yeah. There were even at that prelim what was what was told in the commission meeting and then what was told when we sat down and started putting putting wrenches to the nuts. Yeah, it
there was there was a lot bigger ask than what was originally portrayed. And I think some of the numbers that were thrown out, you know, yeah, we can we can build a dock for 150 grand. It's like >> that's because that's what Fred built right there, a dock right out front of
his that was >> was that that's where we I got I we said that I was involved in that. But for for municipal that we're letting everybody else we got a different design criteria and it just couldn't couldn't hit it. Um >> but he did say Fred did say that he
can't remember he's in the business of selling boats. >> So he's got people all over the southeast United States who do this who might want to come in and start a a boat touring between here Leburg Mount Dora to various tour. So it can be rebrought
back up without money directly. >> And we did when we brought him back in again after that, we talked about it, but it was it was the city to to operate it and that that doesn't work. >> I think we can push him to work hard to
go find someone to do it so that he gets to sail on the boat. That's how it works. >> So that that the plan we have, it's kind of like a the dock's kind of shaped like an F. The first one was it's about a 60 foot spur um and it was tied up for
that. And then we went to floating dock that's all fixed up. We went to floating dock that would um accommodate sees. >> So if we want to put the sees on the back. >> Okay. >> So are you talking to Fred and that that died?
>> Yeah. last last we talk he >> he said no I'm done >> and there was no talk about him finding an an operator to come in here and do it >> uh was never >> How long time would you talk when was that conversation
>> oh no no yeah know I've been talking to him two months ago >> okay >> so if you want I'll reach out to him and see if he's feeling that he can go get us somebody >> tell you if there is an option and if not I guess it's dead >> because remember we offered him that temporary solution Yeah. Yeah. Because
it he needed a place for it. We had something a minor you $20,000 fix I would had to do down on our other on the lakewalk. Those those two legs off. >> He didn't like >> No, he wanted to be he wanted to be in
here closer. >> Especially if he's looking to make money. >> Yeah. uh the band shell stage that is to do the stage edition. >> This is the thing I'm most excited about
based on >> and I think that's going to at that dollar value and I think that like the money I put into the CRA I think that is maybe one of the first projects that we pull the trigger on. >> Um it it's that's going to help us. It's
going to change kind of what we can do for events in there. Um, you know, and again, we're talking in the the next workshop. >> Do we have the vision on the other side? I don't see it. I don't I'm not saying it's not there. I'm saying I don't know it. I don't that's not my circle. We
build we do all this. I guess what does that mean then? And we can start going out recruiting bands to come in. Are we doing private stuff? Are we just doing month, you know, monthly orchestras? I don't know the vision there. And yeah, and it has to be a program change, if
you would. Um, it it's with that we can bring in bigger acts, but if we're only going to do it two or three times a year, it's more prudent to rent it than it is to actually do the construction. So the plan was
we can start having you know and again this is getting into the the operation side we can start doing music events you know they tried to do the the what first Saturday >> second Saturday >> second Saturday
>> um you know I don't know where that stands but >> if we have something that's that's set a little little larger a little bit bigger we can bring in bigger groups in um >> groups in for what? Like you to do the
Saturday, you mean to do the >> Yeah. But bigger bands and bigger events. And then we also talked about the feasibility of of being able to to close off that park and sell tickets. And I think that can happen. And it does
take a change of ordinance, but I'm okay bringing that to you and and talking because >> change of ordinance because public versus nonpublic. >> Yep. >> Yep. But I think as we go through and do it, we could come up with a system that
would allow us to put in like some temporary >> limited time events various >> and Yep. and then take it from like the fountain to the band shelf >> and close that area off and sell tickets. So can hydraulic mobile stage
in any way be also part of a band shell expansion? Can the can >> Yeah, I don't I don't think so. I think the the banshaw expansion is a permanent I mean that's it's going to be a permanent modification um to what we're doing and we've got to
tie that in um with it being the historic uh the historic building and then part of that when the pool leaves the green rooms we have are rough that needs to be a different where the pool
is you know there's there's discussion having a a green room setup potentially a you know like another building that you could take and have some type of events on the water um that could also work
into the green room. So that's all stuff as we get moving with the implementation plan we're talking about. So, the first piece of it and what this is is this was in there even prior to um the
downtown implementation that we need that bigger. Um it's also taking some of the air, you know, it's kind of like all concrete um in front of there, ripping that out, going artificial turf um putting the turf in because it gets so much foot traffic or then if it rains,
you know, it's muddy and so tear that out. turf. Um, be able to have just a different arrangement for the stuff we have, but also be looking in the future
of of what it can be. Um, we're we're looking at so some of the team members um, one of them has they're supposed to be reaching out and and talking about like some amphitheater folks. What what can you do? How do you do these
programs? What do you bring in? What do we need to be, you know, what are we lacking? What do we need um to be able to bring in and have it be a reoccurring theme where we can have, you know, an event that
if we do this, we have to plan for it and then we need to actually execute our plan. Um, and the planning component is where we are now and figure out exactly what that
is. And there's potential there's a lot of potential for the for that B shell area and what we can do. And it's kind of um a bit of a missed opportunity right now, I think.
uh programs room expansion and Sam where are you brother um you know so that is a a the project was originally looked at where we were
talking basketball, having the the the building addition, being able to have indoor basketball. Um, as we look at Kurt, right, that's kind of shifted, but it was going to be a dual purpose. So, at this point, um, he needs a separate structure or a
buildout structure. Um, so that is I mean the price he came up with what he wants is three million. Where is this going to be? >> Uh right now Carver. So it's out of Carver and extending in. So again, all
this comes in before I'm looking at putting the $3 million as a real project. That's got to get tied into this to the parks master plan that we're >> got to know what we're doing with Kurt, right? >> And it's indoor basketball. That's the indoor basketball
>> that was originally. Um, but then it became more for his pro the programs that he's doing and and being able to have the space to operate in there. He's kind of tied up for space. Um,
you know, now that the soccer complex is up, I know he's looking, you know, he's he's perfect. That's perfect. I don't know that it is perfect for what we're doing. Um, I think it could be perfect for a private partnership running something
out of there. Um, and maybe it's got some potential, but he hasn't really brought it to me to talk. I've been looking at it just, you know, kind of cursory level. Did it fill some some voids that we have? If the community center was to go away, could we do
bigger events? Um, it's not a kitchen. We could do some modifications. the struggle I'm having. It's a little bit out of it's going to be kind of like a satellite place out there. We don't really have other facilities. If he's
wanting to use that for expansion, you got to get kids over there, you know, and you it's disconnected. >> If you're going to spend three million on the expansion, might as well buy the building. Well, the the you know and uh
Emily was getting to where where I was going. If he's got three million in in there and we pretty sure we're getting the the ninth grade center. Uh this is a good hole for it anyway because if we
have to put up 500,000 a million dollars, we already got it. So >> So it's it's again Sure. I got that. Are you saying >> if >> look at the soccer or you saying don't look at the soccer? >> Oh, no. I'm talking I'm back to
>> back to the building. >> Yeah, just holding it. >> Yeah, just holding this here. >> That it seems like to me we we it sounded like we're pretty sure we're going to get the center. So, why are we spending more money >> like this? We got to just be patient. >> We're not spending. That's the thing.
It's unfunded. >> Yeah, it's unfunded. Yes, but I'm saying potentially. So, um, with patience, we're going to eventually get to the ninth grade center. So, I I think we ought to restrict a lot of >> thoughts on that, spending more money in
any area, even though it isn't funded. The thought of it or the >> So, while we're here and we're able to talk, what are the thoughts of the soccer facility that's out there? >> I go ahead. >> So, it's 2 million now the way it is. He
put in a fortune into the it's really nice inside. But he also owns the two lots to the south. So in the game of the negotiating part, those two, we need those two south. And
if so, it looks terrible on the outside. It kind of looks like a old place, but it's really sexy inside. It could be it could be another community center or rental center or whatever, but it still doesn't
cover the high 500s that you need, >> but I don't know. I get excited about >> the potential of that place. I >> I like it. I, you know, I think it's perfect for a community center. I mean, you have the parking, you have the
additional parking. How many do you think you can get in there? >> I don't think you got to get the 500. I'm thinking >> can draw it up. He's driven it up for us pretty quick. >> He can draw up the the or Rob better can do it too.
>> But inside of it, it's just we got to do the outside. That's stuckco, right? >> Let's pretty it up on the outside. >> What is the outside? It's metal. >> It's metal. Yeah, we'd have to do something to it. I don't know. I don't know what I mean. And I think he's
>> and I don't think I mean I don't No one's going to listen to this long video of the boys likely, but it's going to be he ain't going to get that money for it. >> Maybe 2 million if we get the other two lots. But the two lots he paid 60 and and 40. >> I thought he bought it all at one. It
was all one one purchase, wasn't it? >> Not really, but close to each other. But yeah, so those but what he's selling now doesn't include two lots. Yeah, >> he he doesn't for that amount. He isn't including the two lots. >> He's not including the two lots. >> Eventually he will because it's just not
>> I mean I think I think the value of that property is is >> still on the market >> and it's for a certain user. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because it was on >> one of those users. >> It was on the market for how how long before he got it? What? Two or three
years. So >> there was a church in there. >> So I I haven't done a lot with it because I didn't know really where where y'all were. Um, >> we were supposed to go look at it. Did you go look at it without me?
>> I No, I I've just looked all along. >> Yeah. So, I told him we were going to come look at it. I wanted to show it to you. >> So, I >> is But I I have a question. Isn't it kind of off the beaten path when we're trying to buy everything else down here?
Do we have that kind of funding to be able to keep stretching ourselves? >> If you have a good reason for it, then you might. But Willie said a community center, if we can incorporate that into some downtown development and make a
developer pay for part of Well, that report shows that we really need a couple events over that. If we get the D, if we get the fairgrounds, that's take could be incorporated in there. >> And temporary use and and renting of of
Life Point. >> That's the other Yeah. Why three two or three or four events a year, give Life Point money, they'll probably give it to us for free for the for certainly for graduation. They will. >> It's a heck of a marketing for them to bring in all the families and kids.
>> But wouldn't three million be better at the at the at the U fairgrounds? Of course, but you can also have more than one side in your plate. >> I love having these options. So, we have options
>> that Yeah. And that's I mean that >> and I'm thinking 1.5 for everything >> with the additional deal >> with the addition. Just so you guys know where >> that sounds more palatable than 3 million.
>> And then we're still in a descending market. So, I 1.5 1.45 was my calculations. I'm I'm not interested in it, but I did do my calculations on it. So, but it's a nice piece. It'll be a good piece down
the line, >> but you got to have a purpose for it. In government, you can't just buy it because it looks good. >> Yeah. >> And I just want to I did speak to Sam at length about this. He's very interested in it. He's talking about he would move uh certain the the program aspects there. He would leave the teens over
where they are currently at parks and wreck and I've got it on my I think it's 12 to 16 maybe age. I have it written down on my desk that he would move the kids over there and then he talked about it as a rental facility. So he is very interested. >> Yeah, I I I mean I like that but I also
do agree that Emily is right saying we're so excited. We're at the buffet at Golden Corral. We want to take something off of every item and put on our plate. I don't there's eventually a point where you can >> And my question is also um the equipment looks pretty
stationary. It seems more like a like you would think of it in terms of a gym and how do you move all that to rent it to do something more formal? >> No, all that comes out >> the soccer but for Sam >> if that's what he's seeing the usage of
it would be. You know, I don't think he is. I think he I think he's looking at it not from like running a soccer thing out there. He's looking more as being able to run his >> his programs out >> and there's little breakout classrooms. There's little rooms in there >> on the left side. There's and even a
little kitchen, snack bar, >> you know. Yeah. One of the things that that we we we've talked about is there's nothing in our area to do what we're trying to do. The closest place is what? Venetian Gardens
>> for the big picture. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's nothing else and and we could rent that out. >> Uh and I think it would be full all the time. >> Or we let the private sector do it all and whoever's doing downtown put something in
>> one of them someone will come up and support it. I mean what do you call it was doing good until co um uh >> yeah not >> where the cross church is now >> receptions. Lake receptions. Um, yeah.
>> But how do you make it into two things where it's going to be recreation or and I'm thinking in terms of like the the college gayla or even even something where you want to do more formal dress it up or maybe a wedding. How do you how
do you marry the two? How do you get make I was say I don't need one or the other. >> Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. basically too >> and I'm thinking just a community center where we have our functions just like downtown. I think his programs
we know we have a pretty good idea that the ninth grade center is coming >> patience. >> Yeah. >> I don't think he has the square footage. I'm looking at him right now. I don't think he has the square footage there. >> It was like was it like 15,000 square
feet? Something like that. 15,000, right? What was it? A Windix 15,600 on the >> Yeah. >> 15600 it up. >> Yeah. >> So, you got to take out about a third of it on the left side. So, call it 10,000. 10,000
square foot minus in the bathrooms. You're getting two square foot per person to if you have to get the 500 occupancy and no kitchen in there yet. I think it might fall short, but he can probably Rob could do it at just a quick
calculation. So, >> but if you had it in there, then you'd have to add a kitchen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, so that's more >> there's a snack bar and some stuff like that, but you'd have to add a kitchen >> and you'd want a commercial kitchen. >> Uhhuh. >> But in those lots, do you do you put
your your kitchen there >> in one of those lots? >> You can or the cheapest is additional parking if you need it. M >> I guess what? 65 parking spaces. >> That's not enough for >> 62. So this is parking.
>> 65 in the front lot, right? >> Is there? >> She said it was six. >> Is there a little building on the back lot? >> No, they're vacant. They're all >> They They all have a sale date of 122 and they all have a All three have a sale price of 1.3 on it.
just all tied on the same. >> It must have been tied together, but I don't know why each individual lot is showing a 1.3. >> You are correct. >> Yes. >> Anyway, >> and then you go back to the Methodist
church and comparing that and then as I've learned in 40 years of real estate, give it another year, something else will pop up. Um >> well temporary uh on on his expansion. Um
you know the the room where he has the the older kids they just redid >> program >> the programming room. I know at one point he was talking about mirroring that. Can we do that and does that buy him
some time? that program room just replicated and put it right next to it >> into the the grass area there. Yeah. Add it. >> I think that's what this 3 million is. >> Yes, sir. >> My gosh.
>> For that whole. >> Yeah. >> That's why the expansion word is there. >> Um >> is that is that just an estimate or is he sure of that price? >> No. No. All of it is I mean I'm sure
he's a very rough number. Yeah, I think it's >> I had looked I had talked to contractors now. It was years ago when when we were tying that into the bonding effort with the marina and they I was utilizing all the footprint I could up to that gazebo
um that's out there, the pavilion that's out there and at that point it was twotory roof but not a second floor. So it was so they could do sports in there. >> I remember that. And how many square foot was it? It was right about what a basketball
court was. It was It was fairly tight. >> You have a rough idea what the square footage was? >> I don't I don't While you're on your computer, pull up the dimension of the basketball court at 10 feet around the outside of it.
And you know, and we had looked at it was not a not a high-end finishings, not high-end furnishings, anything like that. Um, but we were at 1.4. >> Okay. >> Um, but we know a basketball court is 95
by 50. >> So, what's that? 95 >> 95 an hour >> 4700 square foot >> 4750 plus the outer
>> so probably close >> more than that close >> so 6,000 square foot divided by 3 million is >> I usually can do that but I'm under pressure $500 a square foot. No way.
>> I don't know the way you price roofing. It might be that much. But >> sorry, that came without a roof. So, >> no. 500 bucks a foot seems high, right? >> Um, >> yeah. for a
>> I just saw something come across >> so I'm in a group with all like the public works director and all the different municipalities somebody came in they were doing a a building the price it came in for them was 800 a square foot
>> built out municipal and they were asking for a sanity check I thought it was high because I know what we did but we built it more as a shelter um but people were coming back and more grants. So I don't know if that's the price of construction now for that people are gigging. I can I
just priced a warehouse space open 10% warehouse in it 30,000 square foot building and I'm at 142 bucks a foot out the door site plan site everything uh built out um block
um take it for whatever you want to take it for. >> Yeah. I'd love to see if he could get a realistic figure on this. >> The guy who who permitted through we we can get the numbers from Rob who permitted that Cobb tractor for that
warehouse that just got built. He says he's in it at a one and a quarter with 12 units. Pull the plants out, pull his costs out. >> Yeah. >> And you'll see right there that's pretty recent. That was in the last six months. So 500 compared to he was 125, but it's
now probably more like 150 when I priced it out. It's a lot of different. That's three and a half times more than what they're saying for 500. But then you take $500 a square foot. We'll do the GMAN math. 500 for 5,000 square foot.
How many How many square foot was the B is the soccer? 15,000. >> Yeah. >> 15,000 >> times that 400. That's a $7.5 million building. >> It ain't worth for take away the
diminished depreciated value of even 50% and you're still at 4 million. >> So, no, it's 500 to I don't know. You're the you're the builder. But >> yeah, and I don't know what all he's got going into those. So, >> yeah, we just had at Trump Lake. Uh,
>> and what did you all build at the food bank? What did that cost? >> Oh, that was >> But that's refrigerated, right? Uh yeah, that had everything. Yeah, that was >> What about that building at Trout Lake? >> At Trout Lake, it was $100,000. >> And how many square foot was it?
>> Oh god. Slab, two offices, AC on the offices. >> And that was just the building. We had someone else come in and do the slab. But still, it wasn't anywhere near $500 a square foot. >> Shouldn't have been more than buck 50. >> Yeah. >> Smaller the building, the more
expensive. The bigger the building, the less expensive. But >> that's why I >> let me let me dig in to it a little bit because I haven't you know I haven't looked at his number. I don't know where his numbers came up or anything. And you know to me as it as it stays on this
list where it's a lot more conceptual numbers. >> I know we've chased the squirrel down the road. But this is again another good part of strategic. We need to know where we're going. >> We're doing it in a public meeting. There's not a lot of distractions. >> The chances of someone coming in and trying to buy what we're interested in
is this. That's why I That's why talk about it. It was like look, it's just us. It was like, yeah, let's let's >> I mean, I trust Lily, but I don't trust Emily. She might go this field before.
>> Just saying. >> Right, Mr. Dobins? >> The existing building mirrors the current program room. >> Yeah, >> exactly. >> And then it's got a smoker on it. >> That was the one. longer. >> Fire up. >> All right. Um,
Southern Palms 1,820,000. What that is, it's Southern Palms storm water. It floods out there all the time. They It is private. It is not our system.
They have called for help like we always go out and watch during hurricanes. They are within the city limits, but that whole system is owned by the Southern Palms, owned and managed by them.
I put this in here because I would be willing not to do 1.8 million, but I would be willing to help them obtain grants. I don't think they can get a grant on their own. >> I don't think we can have this on there. I don't know how you guys feel. We got our own problems. >> I I still don't like what we did at
Spring Landing. But it is what it is. Whatever. >> There was another one that we did before. Remember um this this I think it was a um a community HOA community. >> Oh, north state north state something
>> Bay State. Yeah. It was another one that came back to >> I fought that as hard as I could, but I don't think I don't think we can be rescued private sector. >> We can incentivize them if they did something that would benefit us back. I don't think people that are going to
come. Well, you know, Southern Palm does attract some people seasonally, but >> be like Tom, too. >> Sir, >> there is that section where you see them clear out that time of year. And but then there's a lot that's out there that's permanent, too, >> especially on the very north side on the
other side of the tracks. >> There's a lot more, my feeling is, and I think they agree too, that there's a lot more better places we can put that before we have too much money than we can go there. I don't know. >> Yeah. I'm like, Tom, abort, abort, >> abort
>> downtown public restroom facility. When we do the downtown events, there is always a, you know, we do the portallettes and all this. This was built, we would build a permanent structure. I don't know where we site it. I don't know where we put it. Did we put it up
on the three blocks knowing that in a number of years where it's coming down? Do we find a place where we could put it permanently and tie it in? Um, you know, right now with the events and it's basically to handle the events right
now. Common sense thing. We've got all the green space, put it out there. I don't think that makes sense as we look development efforts that we're now encumbering a piece of property there. But
it's on there I guess for discussion. And I know the downtown business owners would want to see it because that is a bone of contention. People coming in >> and we're ticking off people when we tell them they can't come in >> and use the bathrooms. And I see all these signs, bathrooms for inside use.
And actually, if you go there for the movies in the park that he does with a bunch of moms and kids, >> they're running in and out of there like that bathroom is getting flushed. They're using it quite a bit. And then when we have the three of three three big events, Fourth of July, George Fest,
and forgot what the other one is, that that thing's on the line. That's part of activating the waterfront. But I get your point. Well, you better got to strategically decide where to put it. >> And then if the trail comes through right there, that'd be >> That's a whole another >> That's a nice thing to have.
>> So there is a another one to to re actually I skipped it. It looks like uh the South Fair Park restroom 300,000. And that is to pretty much gut that old bathroom. >> I think you got to do that. I think that's a priority. That's disgusting when you go in there. >> Yeah, that's pretty rough. Um, so that
that is that line item. I just I I skipped that one. It just got kind of lost in there as I went. >> I think that's a potential priority. >> Yeah. >> Which one? South bathrooms over there. >> We have such a pretty little park going now. We got such pretty nice pavers. We
got pretty whatever. You go in there and they're writing crap on them. It's just the the tiles are kicked out. It's >> It's part of a security problem, too. But >> I mean, we should have cameras pointing at the in and out of there.
>> We're get Yeah, we're getting there. >> It'd be nice if we could put a bathroom a camera in the bathroom part that's not, you know, the person. >> We wash the hands. >> Yeah. Like the sink or whatever. >> Find out who's tearing the stuff up. >> Yeah. Because it's mostly young kids. You see how many kids are in Fairen Park
and all you guys? I don't I never see you guys there as much. I see her there. Go up First Friday and sit in the park. I'm telling you, I get I get a little scared, so to say. They're not breaking the law because then I call
>> I'll call Gustapo there. But, uh they're they're not they're just being >> they run and they chase and they scream and they uh it's just constant. The girls chasing the boys, boys chasing the girls, they're running. And if if it was some elderly person walking, they' just run over.
>> And then the bikes, that's where my grandkid almost got ran over with electric bike running up and down the >> uh the water line. >> It's actually really bad on on >> First Friday. >> And we don't want to go and scare the kids off and beat on them, though they
deserve to get beaten on. My grandmother, my mother would have beat the crap out of me for doing that. But it's a public relations nightmare because you got to balance the Hey, can you do me a favor? But it's bad. >> It is. >> The uh >> it's become a spread word between all
the high school and everything. Exactly. First Friday we're going to hang out there. >> That's And you absolutely break spring break. It's Chipwood spring break >> and now we're vacation coming. >> I don't see it that way. But >> are you serious? >> It's a little uptick, but you know
there's no guns. There's no You're right. >> It's kids being kids. I did a lot worse. Uh, we have that, >> but we we're down there. We have people down there. >> I don't think there's anything wrong. It's not nothing you're not doing. It's just
>> No, I I don't think it's it's really, you know, there's vandalism. We we've caught everybody that's pretty much vandalized. We've caught on um for the most part. >> So, I mean, >> is it conducive to people who come to our downtown for one economic
development purposes? I mean, I get you, Chief. We need a place for those kids to be kids. >> I see this >> better that they're there than they're out in the bad area doing. >> To me, it's just unsafe what I see happening and and the and the way
they're running and chasing and just they don't take time and say, "Oop, somebody's coming." They just keep going. And uh and so it keeps all the adults and anybody who wants to sit there or even go to the restroom. It it's it's kind of dangerous for and it's
not that they're doing bad stuff. It's just like chief said that kids being kids and especially like the little girls and boys attracting each other and running and running and chasing. >> We're out there addressing it. We we got a presence down there on first Fridays and you know during George Festival in the carnival we had a couple little
fights with kids you know but it's it's >> there might be nothing that we could do with it but it I don't know something about it I I >> I don't think it's a good look for
>> our downtown fories >> and especially on first Friday when the family is there and >> but I don't think you can go there and start telling every kid don't Uh, don't hang out here. Go somewhere else. So, I got that part. I think that's what the chief's trying to say. >> No, we're addressing it as as as best we can. >> What are we addressing? They're not
doing anything wrong. They're just >> we just follow them. We say, you know, they have little just chase them along. Hey guys, go somewhere else, you know, in a nice way. We're not we're not mean to them, but just sometimes when they see the police, they won't know you're going to go somewhere else. But growing up here being a kid, man, it's a dud. What is there to do here in this town as
a kid? I mean, really. And those two, well, you know, those two sidewalks near um near the bank >> and the restaurant, >> that's where they really run >> down Magnolia, the end of Magnolia. >> We could always have, you know, teen centers. We had when I grew up, we had teen centers where the kids go and you
play basketball, you play pool. >> That's what Carver Park is supposed to be, right? >> But but you know what? May maybe what we should do is like at the band shell on first Friday have a um some music there or something that would distract them, >> calm them
>> and they would go to that and we would not have them chasing and running making their own fun >> where we put bumpouts along the along it where it slows calming. Or maybe what we do is talk to Sam and on first Fridays
>> have have wreck open later and have a bus to take them down there >> or do some event there that Sam brings the event to them. >> Teen dances in Daytona on Friday nights and it was a teen dance and all the kids would go to that and we'd have police officers there to kind of you know we
had to check everybody going in and stuff but all the kids went to they like stuff like that. I don't know what the new generation does. Most kids stay home and play video games. >> Well, yeah. If they had a um a um music at the band sale or some if if maybe
maybe Sam could come up with an activity there that would distract them from that kind of behavior and they participate, maybe they're better off dancing or moving in the park or something that would kind of >> We talked about like family games like corn >> distract distract it.
>> And it be something geared towards them though. >> Yeah. You have to. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And and we really want to keep them on a downtown where the people are spending more money and the old fog is go. But yeah, if we take So we got a need. Now we got to figure out how to manipulate
the need into something >> positive, >> whether it's parks in there setting up doing stuff. Let them exert their energy doing something positive. Um >> maybe a gaming trailer, a trailer has games in it. You pull up, the kids go
play video games. invest in one of those. I mean, there's ways to do it, but I just I don't know. I don't think it's our responsibility to provide stuff for kids to do. I mean, >> I think it's more of maybe calming the situation that we come up with some
ideas that will help do that. And maybe maybe Sam can help us, give us some ideas about things that you could do with teens. And I'd be interested in how many of those kids come there solo driving themselves versus how many of them come with their parents and the parents are walking first Friday. If I
can tie that into the parents walking around First Friday now, I think it's more attractive to to entertain the kids per se while uh even a fishing thing. I don't know if those people are into fishing but uh on the water thing there. Um >> 5050 with Paris bringing kids all the
kids coming down. >> There's something there. We just got to figure out how to find the the >> We got our presents. >> But and the end story is back to where we started. We need a bathroom. We need a good bathroom >> because on the movie night that Sam does, we go there now with the
grandkids. >> I I mean, she had my wife had to drive me crazy to get me to go out there and man, when I went out there, I was impressed. >> Yeah. It's nice. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I was impressed. And I that's when I said at the commission meeting, we need a bigger screen. There was so many people there. They couldn't on a you
know they couldn't see the movie all of them. >> So the the redoing that bathroom >> is where we come back to when we start. Yeah. >> But it's funny. >> Do we have a Do we have a spot >> where we would want to put another one down?
>> That's why you get the big bucks. >> Can we >> consider the trail? Consider what's there. Consider it might open up and go farther. You you know >> consider where it might be. >> Do you take two spots? two, three spots out of the parking lot and do it there
>> for the long term. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> And and and do we come up with >> do we at some point actually close down Fair and Drive? >> Fair and Drive the street. Well, then you'd lose the parking >> and there's a business on that street.
>> You can't lose the parking. >> Is it Is it fair and drive? Is that what I'm talking about? >> You're talking about where the parking cuts through both sides where the >> on the street that runs the sides of the chamber. >> Yeah. and then then pull the park further out. >> That sounds good. Other than you lose all the parking, that sounds tragic.
>> You can't give up parking. That parking is relied on so heavily >> all year. All wrong. >> How many do we have in the chamber lot >> in that little square? >> Yeah. >> You can aerial it. Not enough. Not a
lot. We fill it at a board meeting. It's full. And I'm thinking more. >> No, I don't even think about get something up this way. >> Yeah, maybe let Rick figure out where we can put it. But impacting parking is not what we want to do. Now, each parking
spot is about 5600 bucks in building. So, think of each one as 5,600 bucks, >> but more so accessibility to it. >> Go walk through there on a on a first Friday. Go walk through there really on a Friday night. Fair and parks parking is full.
Rosa Mascow is bringing in, you know, 500 700 people on a Friday. So, at three per car, that's 250 parking spaces. >> We usually park on Magnolia um past Wells Fargo. And there's lots of parking
there. And in that little alley parking lot, it's just filled with cars. And so, and then walk to the activities. >> 39 parking spots in front of the chamber. >> Okay. >> 39. 30. What?
>> He just popped up. Popped up. >> Yeah, I can too. >> Raise it. >> Nuhuh. >> All right. Let me Yeah. Yeah. Let me let me look at that. Okay. Thanks. >> Um, >> and and then just say this one more
thing, but don't remove and this is for I want your input because you know it better. Don't remove the possibility of the fear or concern that good kids attract bad kids and then something goes
bad. Look at what Chip would dealt with in Daytona and we remember we had that shooting at George Fest time. But >> yeah, but they came from out they start seeing all these kids show up. The other big thugs come in and want to bully around and chase. >> I think we're all over that with our
crime analysts. We we we're all over it. I'm telling you, it's not a problem. I can assure you. >> No, I I don't I don't disagree that it's not. >> But But can it escalate? But can it get to that or No, >> it'll never happen while I'm here. I can tell you right now.
>> I I can guarantee you certain things. That's one thing I can guarantee you because we'll snatch them up so quick. We'll know we hit them. It'll be It'll be that quick. So, it's nowhere even near that level right now. I'm being honest with you. >> Okay. >> I'm out there. I see it. I've been out there. We we actually have intelligence
on these wannabe gangs and none of them are over here. Go to Leburg. A lot of problems over there with this these wannabe and if they come this way I'm I'm telling you I can assure you that it's it's not it's nothing that's nowhere near even
out of control. It's just a bunch of kids with nothing to do. Could you imagine being a kid growing up? What is there to do in this town as a kid? I for me I see more the danger of one of them running, falling, busting their heads or something like that more than I
see violence or anything like that. I'm just talking about >> I see the other side >> the safety of it. >> I see fights. I >> there's nothing to do here. >> Nothing now. You're right, Chief. It's cool now. >> I I I don't know. And most kids I know my kids
video games with their friends. It's a whole different When we were kids, it's different. We'd hang out at the mall. We get on our bikes. ride all over the place. Um, we play football on the grass. You don't see her that anymore. You know, I I just think, you know, maybe some kind of center where they all can go on a Friday night, watch movies,
hang out. If they even want to do that, I don't know. It's the parents. The parents got to step it up, you know, too. That's another thing. >> Yeah, we can't Yeah, we can't do that. >> That's going to hell in a hand basket by itself. >> But I bet if you gave the boys that are chasing the girls, if you gave them a
football, that would be it. Like I said, >> I' I've seen I've seen a problem kids and problem mass crowds and events. We're not even on even onetenth of an inch of of any issues here. And I'm out there on first Friday. I see it's
>> maybe I'm just getting old and I get I get I just want to get out of there. See that? >> It's true. And sometimes the the language, but it's but I still say that they need a distraction. They need something to be offered to them to be for being there. >> I think it would be a good idea if we
could something and and it's not our job to be their parents or anything, but find something for them to do while they're at first, right? Um >> have some options that they can just be a part of or do what they're going to do. >> Because when we were their age, do we
want to walk through downtown with our parents? >> Uhuh. >> And the parents come because the kids can go and be free in the park. So, it's a two-edged sword. and >> buy the 3D printed stuff and go off. >> They love that 3D printed stuff. >> Yeah. And we're about to find out
because summer's coming. So, they're they're going to be >> even more and it may not be just Friday night. >> And we've up we've up our game until the summer stuff >> because I had that problem in Daytona. I would have to assign a whole task force just to deal with the kids. We don't have that problem, but we we prepare for
a little extra stuff with our SRO's. redeploy to different areas based on juveniles. But we don't have a lot of juveniles here that are, you know, we got good kids in this town. I'm telling you, I don't see many kids committing a lot of crimes. I mean, stupid stuff. You know what the big thing is? Everybody's smoking these vapes. That's the biggest
thing I think with the kids. Every day I get reported these kids are smoking vapes and selling vapes and smoking weed. I mean, nothing very, you know, then you get the lunatics that want to talk about, you know, making these threats about shooting schools. We're all over that with our intelligence. We would lock them up. So, um I I don't see
it as a as a problem whatsoever, but I'm just telling >> we need bathrooms. >> We need bathrooms. >> Bathrooms. Maybe that's why they're running around. >> They got to go pee. >> They're getting crazy. Um yeah, one thing. Let me have Miranda talk to Sam. >> Sure.
>> And see if we can maybe have park and wreck kind of sponsor some type of event down there. Bring something. I don't know what they got. and >> ask him to go there first Friday. >> Connect for and Jenga and >> and ask for stuff.
>> Is it a movie? >> Is it a movie? >> Cornhole is really popular. >> It may be going. >> Yeah, I think a movie is easy. >> Yeah. >> Get a DJ, put them in the community center and draw them over there. They don't care about connect four and all that other stuff or >> they don't they want to and they want to
get connect get somebody over there that can >> somebody can puts on a dance or a music concert and then you sell you sell food there hot dogs and stuff like that. You keep them in a location there. >> You know what we did long long time ago when they first opened um uh gosh what's
the name of the big church we love up there? Life Point. >> Life Point Life Point was sponsoring some First Fridays and they were out in the park doing stuff with kids and man they had them packed in. >> Kids love music. >> I forgot about that. >> Yeah, that's why I keep saying we had music going out there. >> Music out there. DJ,
>> the kids will go to the music. >> Light church is a really good source. Not to mix church with state and all that stuff. I don't even go there. But they they're they've been a positive. They'll do stuff.
Yeah. So, we we're going to look at that Friday when we have as well to a lot of that. I just wish there was more stuff for kids to do. I think music, some kind of dance. My advice, something where they can go all go and hang out with their friends and then you have to staff it with the right people because you got
to have a presence there to make sure there's no problems. But that's that's what's going to draw them is music or video games or or something along those lines. >> A big fire truck out there and letting them look at it and stuff. >> They don't care about that. They don't care about fire trucks and drones. >> No, kids are talking about these
teenagers. They want they don't they could care less about that. >> They're chasing each other. >> Yeah. >> They they could care less on top. >> What else is there to do? >> Sam is doing the >> Sam is doing his teen zone now. >> So, do we do try and get him to do out zone that night?
>> Probably be perfect. >> That's >> That's what I kept saying. Talk to Sam and see if he has any >> office. We'll work at it. Staff will try something. We'll let you know. We'll do it as a trial effort. We see what happens. >> I think the first step is you need to send them send them there on first Friday. >> Yeah. >> With whoever wants to go. Let's go hang
there. >> Trailer and have like Madden tournaments where you put a $100 prize in all the kids could go compete playing Madden football or basketball and then you have a tournament and that's big time. >> You know, I I rented one for Heritage and it was like maybe we don't want to
do it. Um it was like 1,100 bucks. >> We have four hours. I have a big trailer >> that's not even being used. It's brand new. We just got to outfit it with the gamings and stuff like that. We have a trailer we bought for the motorcycles. It's too big, but it'd be perfect for that. And you just got to build some
games that with the people we got working here. We can build the stations, build out and put games there. Let Sam use it and do like jump the NFL Madden tournaments for the kids. They love that video games or a basketball NBA and and you put prizes and and the teams come play and the winners get prizes. And you
have the music inside and you have the trailer outside to block the street talk. They'll all go over there. I'm telling them. >> And you keep the Eustace PD logo on it. So that's advertisement for you too. >> Slush fun money. Yeah. Funded. Why not? >> So do do girls play the games as much as boys?
>> I can check in the car. I can sign it on the dash. Check right on the car. Pull it out of the No, I'm serious. That that a gaming trailer. Yeah, >> a gaming trailer would definitely uh gaming trailer tied in with some music. >> Any kid that's out on the street is going to go over it. I'm telling you
right now, >> they love those Madden tournaments. They're they're big time. I mean, you know, big time. >> You'll find adults trying to invade some of them, too. >> We can probably get Madden football, NBA Jam, if you remember all those and and
those games for probably under $400 each. full standup arcade. >> Well, you have to get a you have to get PS5s, the latest one and some Xbox. So, you're looking >> No, do the old style of one. They're real cheap. >> You can buy some retro ones, but but the but you can you want to put the latest greatest stuff out there and you have
the trailer built out and the kids come out there. >> You got to have room for them. That's true. >> That's what the kids like. Trust me, I spend a lot of money on video games. >> How How many kids would that occupy? I mean, >> probably put like six or eight in there at a time playing. And then you have the music inside in the community center
where you put it and then you have like the Would you wear a little hot car out there? Have somebody man that you pizza. Kids love pizza. >> You think they're all going to leave Fair and Park and go back. >> If you if you promote it right with Sam and his people. Yeah. Madden tournament. First prize $150. Second prize $100.
Man, they'll be over there. These kids, they'll just be going crazy with it. And then, you know, and then you could actually make money. You could, you know, the parents, you know, the instant babysitter. parents cough up 10 bucks for your kid to get give two slices of pizza and a um and a coke and they get to play back
>> and let the parents go pay the first >> especially as we grow it more >> some trophies up and you have like you know you know what else is good the the sim racing too you get the sim racing games and you have you know race I'm telling you the kids like they love that stuff I know my kids it's all they want to do they're on them simulators all the
time the latest greatest you know and these and they're teenagers but they don't want to play like what's for or what's what's what's you know >> all right I'm going to be the guy it's 3:35 I'm getting old I got to go so
we're going to wrap it >> up we were done right >> what what's left on there the $5 million seaw wall >> we've got trails um that we've talked about seaw wall most of this stuff is is downtown master plan >> Pine Ridge golf bridge
>> Pine Meadows Golf Bridge was done. >> No, that is that's a cover. It is FDOT has it termed um functionally obsolete, which makes it sound a whole lot worse. Um the functional part, it is
functional. It is a small one-way bridge. Originally, there was only it was designed for like six trips a day because there were six houses. Once the park opened up and Pine Meadows Reserve that's out there, we're seeing more and more traffic.
Um that needs to that covert needs to be replaced from rot. >> Is that the one they were complaining about with the big trucks going through? Is that the same bridge >> when they when they started building over >> out there? But that area just kind of feeds complaints a lot.
>> I think today proved one thing that we once said before. We need to meet as a staff and commission if need be and uh on a more regular basis to strategize and to move the city forward. Now that
Rick has taken some of that, we are now we have accomplished I said it at a at a gathering two days ago. We've accomplished more in four months, I don't care what he thinks, than we accomplished in the last 10 years between two city managers as far as
advancing uh downtown economic development, getting a direction and understanding the trails, all that. >> I think this is the best meeting I've ever been in the city of Houston today. I can tell you right now. >> And these other guys who are not and these other guys who are not here are
the biggest fans of no workshops, but we got we got to do it. I mean, thank you a lot came out. >> If you don't want to do that, then my opinion is don't be a commissioner. >> You know, this is this is a a
commitment. >> I agree. I agree. >> I'm good calling this. Um I think we've got gone through a lot today. Um >> give me just 30 seconds. >> So, yeah. So, back on the for Tim Totten
and doing something. So, what we've got in our >> I have let May I say something? I got a message from his mom and well someone who's organizing it and his mom approved it. They want anybody who has an Amazing Race t-shirt to wear it
>> to the to the service and I don't know if we have any around here. I don't have an Amazing Race one. I don't think I do. >> I have about four or five of them. So you need one. >> You have them. I'll walk downstairs with you and get you one. >> Yeah. So that's what they would like.
>> I'm a petite double X. >> Which one of those? The last one. So So we've got we've got there are procedures that is called out in our policies. Um as far as like the naming stuff in there. So while we have consensus and we or we have people here to be able to ask
for consensus um as is called out in here and this is under the procedures for considering names prior to consideration of naming renaming or honorary designation resolution. The city commission shall hold a public
hearing to receive comments on the requested naming with city commission consensus to proceed. Staff shall present a resolution for consideration at the following scheduled city commission meeting. >> Can you pull the commission to Well, if
we have three, it would be really nice to announce it at his celebration. >> This is not considered the public hearing. We would have to add this to the agenda for the next meeting >> and then it would have to go on the following meeting unless you want to call a special meeting or but we cannot >> and we could at the celebration of life
say we are working toward we have a couple issues we got to get through but we have a and I know we'll have a unanimous commission wanting I just know that you know Michael is going to and and and >> the specific question I have is do you all three agree with the direction of
Sunset Island? Is that where you are all thinking? Unless you call >> Not Sunset Island. Sunset >> Park. >> Park. >> Sunset Island Park. Isn't that what it is? >> Is that We're talking about I'm talking about the one close to his house. Is that >> No, no, no. Bennett Park. >> No, you're talking about the tennis court close to
>> No, I'm talking about the one close to your Yeah. Where the tennis court is? >> No, I was talking about where the skate park is. >> But Bennett Park is close to his home. >> Yeah. >> Bennett Park. The one by my house. >> Cuz he lives right down the street. >> Yeah. He lives in those town houses. All
right, we'll we'll figure that out. >> That's a That's a county owned, but we maintain it or something, right? >> Something with the county. >> Yeah, it's our >> park's ours. >> That's ours, >> but that's already named. >> That's it's already named. >> Yeah. >> Off to the Venice.
>> Okay. Then Sunshine. It is >> sunset. Yeah. >> It's Timothy Timothy God. No, >> we'll unless we come up with something else different. That's >> okay. We'll add that to the agenda for the next meeting. You could name the Wells Fargo as a as the Timtop municipal
building. I not completely in love with that. >> I like the park better. >> That's more too much. >> Yeah, that's too much. Yeah. >> All right. With that, let's close this. Thank you all. Thanks for >> for the take being receptive to a
different approach to it. >> Is there a possibility that occasionally we can do something like this and have a meeting with staff? saying we need to do it at least every 90 days for a strategic workshop. >> Yeah. >> Right.
>> Y'all tell me where you I'm good with it. >> 90 days strategic. >> We got to do that for at least the next 24 months downtown. >> Oh, he's saying it's still >> Yeah, I'm Yeah, that's we're done. >> Um >> maybe take a break in the summer and skip it once if we have to. That would
only leave two meetings, three a year. Yeah, I I think as we we come back fall, >> um let's look at something