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Part 1 (Video ID: SPyLhjd2860):
- 00:00:00: Invocation, Pledge of Allegiance, and Meeting Called to Order
- 00:03:32: Agenda Updates: Doors Park Delay and Item Reordering
- 00:06:02: Grant Writing Coordinator Presentation and Grant Overview
- 00:11:14: Public Comment: Naen Babik - Concerns Over Urbanization
- 00:14:57: Public Comment: Daniel Deonza - Population Growth Projections
- 00:18:14: Public Comment: Mark Bobic - Opposition to Doris Park
- 00:22:02: Public Comment: Dennis Spivey - Traffic Congestion Concerns
- 00:24:20: Public Comment: Diane Nichols - Doris Park Buffer Concerns
- 00:26:56: Public Comment: Roger Ray - Infrastructure Concerns on 44B
- 00:30:05: Public Comment: George King - Traffic Safety Issues
- 00:30:56: Public Comment: BJ McCarti - Infrastructure Failing
- 00:34:20: Approval of Consent Agenda and Move to Ordinances
- 00:36:39: Ordinance 2026-17: WD America Development Agreement Amendments
- 00:40:01: Public Comment: Robin Lawrence - Opposes Strip Mall
- 00:43:33: Public Comment: Trina Marquez - Existing Neighborhood Concerns
- 00:44:31: Public Comment: Donald Doyle - Restaurant Concerns
- 00:47:13: Public Comment: Cindy Newton - Springbridge Estate Concerns
- 00:48:23: Public Comment: Travis Sachuk - Addresses Concerns
- 00:50:06: Public Comment: Daniel Danzo - Defends Project
- 00:51:58: Ordinance 2026-17: Approval Vote and Discussion
- 00:54:40: Ordinance 2026-18: TNS Florida Partners DA and Restrictions
- 00:56:22: Public Comment: Lawrence and Marquez Reiterate Concerns
- 00:57:55: Ordinance 2026-18: Approval Vote and Roll Call
- 00:59:06: Ordinance 2026-06: Annexation of 10 Acres - Questions, Comments
- 01:00:18: Public Comment: Charlene Timberman - Traffic Concerns
- 01:03:20: Ordinance 2026-06: Annexation Approval and Roll Call
- 01:03:54: Ordinance 2026-07: Comprehensive Plan Amendment for Annexation
- 01:04:28: Public Comment: Robin Lawrence - Concerns About Wildlife
- 01:06:23: Public Comment: Travis Sachuk - Wildlife Discussion
- 01:08:07: Ordinance 2026-07: Approval Vote and Roll Call
- 01:08:41: Ordinance 2026-06: Suburban Corridor Design District Designation
- 01:09:20: Public Comment: Trina Marquez - Disagreement
- 01:09:52: Ordinance 2026-08: Approval Vote and Roll Call
- 01:10:08: Ordinance 2026-09,10,11: Annexation of 2.8 Acres and Designation
- 01:10:59: Public Comment: Lawrence Requests Amendment on Hours
- 01:12:34: Public Comment: Statement on Wildlife
- 01:12:55: Developer Agrees on Hours, More Discussion
- 01:14:22: Ordinances 2026-09: Approval Vote and Roll Call
- 01:15:11: Ordinances 2026-10: Approval Vote and Roll Call
- 01:15:26: Ordinances 2026-11: Approval Vote and Roll Call
- 01:16:15: Discussion: Actions to Slow Down Rapid Growth
- 01:17:49: Attorney Explanation of Legislative Constraints (SB180)
- 01:23:52: Five Minute Break
- 01:30:38: Ordinance 2026-26: Firefighters Pension Revision Discussion
- 01:33:25: Ordinance 2026-26: Approval and Roll Call
- 01:33:41: Future Agenda Items and Commissioner Comments Beginning
- 01:37:20: Sunset Clauses, Sawchuk Deal, & City Attorney Concerns
- 01:44:14: Commissioners Voices Views on the Attorney
- 01:51:36: Call for Future Agenda Discussion on City Attorney
- 01:55:30: Loss of Tim Totten and Ways to Honor Him
- 01:59:49: Incentivizing Businesses to Stay and Thrive
- 02:04:58: Trail Updates and Softball Success
- 02:06:33: Bloom Visit Review and Meeting Adjourned


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2026. If you would like to join us, we'll have an invocation given by Reverend Christina Spode, Universalist Congregation of Lake County, and the Pledge of Allegiance by Vice Mayor Gary Ashcraft. So good to see so many people out this

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evening. Spirit of life and love, spirit of justice and mercy, known by many names, among them God. We are gathered this evening to do and witness to the work of

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making, running, building, and stewarding a community. We give thanks for the work done by our commissioners, mayor, vice mayor, manager, attorney, and all the elected and appointed officials serving this

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community where we live and work and pray play. May you be grounded in values of both civics and faith, however you might define that, to include those who might be called the least, the lost, and the

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last. For all are our neighbors and siblings. May you be mindful to provide resources for those with few if any means, especially those who have been denied access

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to ensure care is available for all in need of it. To remember those who cannot vote, the homeless, the children, and others along with the earth and the creatures as they too are your constituents.

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May you be reminded to continue to ask questions from a place of curiosity. May you continue to be granted the wisdom and courage to support this community as it grows and changes. May you remember that you are held by

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the community whose care you are entrusted with and who trusts you to act justly. Spirit of life and love, spirit of justice and mercy, I ask that you offer your presence to these leaders and

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servants this evening and always that their minds may be stilled and their hearts opened to the work before them this and every day. This we pray in the name of all that is good and right and

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true. May it be so. Please join me for the pledge. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. >> May I ask you all to please check your phones and be sure that they are turned off. Thank you. So, with that, I will officially call

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this meeting to order. Christine, is there a quorum present and proper notice been given? >> Yes, Mayor Lee. >> Rick, is there an agenda update? >> Uh, yes, ma'am. Uh, mayor, commissioners, I'm requesting consensus to continue the agenda item 5.1 to a

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date certain being June 4th, 2026, city commission meeting. Um after the agenda materials were published, we identified some inconsistencies in the material. Um most notably materials including

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reference to waiver requests. Um so staff needs to make some related clarifications to that. Um so the commission, the applicant, and the public can all have a clear and accurate record. If if you reach a consensus to continue

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this item to June to June 4th, uh public comment can still be taken this evening or you can defer to um providing public comment on June 4th at the at the time it comes back to you. So with that, uh

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what's the will of the commission? >> I'm good. >> Me too. >> I'm good. >> Okay. I am too. Thank you, Rick. So we're So just to be clear, the Doors Park thing goes to June. >> Doors Park goes to June 4th.

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>> June 4th. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. I think there's a lot of people here for that. So >> there were um there's there's one other change to the agenda as well. Um we'd like just for clarity, um we'd like to move items 510 and 511, which are the developers agreement. We would like to

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read those prior to item 5.2. I think it's just clarity with the with the presentations that it should flow better. >> That's 10 and 11. >> Yes. 510 and 511. Uh move that up prior to item 5.2. >> Prior to 5.2. >> Yes, sir.

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>> Everybody okay with that? >> I'm good. >> Okay. All right. >> All righty. Um with that, if um I've got some cards uh for the item and I can go through and read the cards, see if anybody wants to speak. Now, if you want to defer to June 4th meeting, um, that's

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fine as well, and you can have your comments fresh before commission. So, >> so we're going to do the presentations now. >> Um, we can we can hear it now. We can go through and do the comments now and and get everybody.

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>> You do the planning. You want to do the uh grant planning update first? >> Uh, >> that was next. So, are we going to >> do that? Sure. And then we'll do this and our audience will be heard >> then. >> Okay. So, we'll have a presentation by Veronica Wetro, our grant writing coordinator for the city of Eustace.

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>> Good evening, Mayor Lee, Vice Mayor, and Commissioners. Thank you for having me this evening and all the city staff. Um, I'm just here to kind of give a brief update on some good things that have been happening here at the city and

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um, kind of just go over our grants planning. So, I will jump right into those things. Um, the first I would like to talk about is um, the departments. As you can see, um these are just some of the departments

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that I've been working with um since I started and everybody's been wonderful. And um some of these are departments that we have already submitted grants for. Oh, sorry, I'm talking and forgetting to do that. Here we go.

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Okay. Um I don't work alone. So I just want to point that out that the department heads here, all the directors and their staff have um assisted me with the information needed. So it's a great team effort here. Um

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the we've been able to execute a lot of that together. So on to the next. Oops. I don't know what I hit. There we go. I think that's the next one. under the grant development, we've been,

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this is an overview. So, I currently have 11 active grants. Um, and we have secured um a little over 1.5 million in grants. Um, again, that's, you know, thanks to the team. It's not just

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myself. Um, we have I have submitted um a little over 1.2 2 million in grants and we're awaiting award decisions on those and the ones that are in progress development are currently ones that I am working on like actively working on and

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ones that are in my horizon that I plan to um submit to. So the total pipeline for our grants is just a little over 3.5 million altogether just to date. Next, I wanted to um kind of give a

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visual of all of the impact that these grants have on our community and um the departments that are here in the city of Eustace. Um one of them that we've been able to um get secured and awarded for is um from the fire department. Excuse

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me, I've been a little under the weather so my voice may go in and out. Um this is going to serve both adults and pediatrics and infants of you know life-saving devices. Um pretty much the visual it's a video um langoscope.

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Um the next that was awarded um as a team effort here is obviously for our police department um the tactical vest and we were awarded a drone as well. Next is um RCDBG MIT grant. Again, it

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was a joint effort for this. Um it will help improve our roads. So that's going to serve the community as well as the city as a whole. And my pipeline for growth um is pretty much my strategy is I like to work with

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the departments to find projects and different um items that we need to um advance our city and our um you know life-saving devices and things like that that can help offset some costs not only to our city but taxpayers. And so I

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maintain um consistent grant submissions is my goal by researching and looking for them. Um and I align them to make sure that they're a great fit for what we're asking for. So it's not just throwing something out there. Um

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I also look at our CIP. I take um a lot of time and effort to make sure that what we're um making decisions on um as the commission and the staff that you know I'm going after those as well. And uh we will be having I like to prepare

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early too. So if I see something we kind of work in that in development stages. Um and then we'll be having a grants uh policy forthcoming here in the future that will just outline all of it together. And that's going to sum it up. So if

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anybody has any questions, >> good to see the grant program rolling. >> Yes, absolutely. >> Been a little bit of time. So >> that's uh that's good for us. It's good for our >> taxpayers to work with here. So it makes it easy. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you. Now we'll move to the audience to be heard. Are you ready, Rick? >> I am. I will ask that um you fill out a comment form from our clerk and u please

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approach the podium and speak directly into the mic. State your name and whether or not you are a city resident and keep in mind that we commissioners are not going to respond to you but we'll direct staff to be in touch with you. And most importantly remember this

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tonight especially three minutes and um so I ask you to please observe that and we can start now. >> Okay. >> Uh the first court is Naen Babik. >> Madame Mayor, assistant mayor and um all your commissioners. Um my name is Naen

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Babek. Yes, I am a part of this community in Eustace and many of our community neighbors are present here regarding the airport property Dar Park uh on the agenda tonight which will be deferred obviously but I would like to

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share some of the history in regards to uh pertinent property that is adjacent uh which is also known as the Huddle property and back in 2023 at a Eustace city commission meeting it was revealed that the commission 's

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intent was to make State Road 444B an urbanizing Carter. We explained that this was a semi-ural resident single family house road and the residents really didn't want it to be urbanized or commercialized.

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But at this point um the same meeting the property directly across from Parkplace uh was to be reszoned which is the huddle property uh mixed residential higher density commercial. This resoning was also objectionable to those at the

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meeting and living in Parkplace like Joanna. It was also mentioned by both the uh attendees as well as the commissioner aa commissioner um that they were a bit miffed because of the fact that it was on a flood plane and

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how are they going to fit the 36 properties uh the 36 townhouse house town houses onto um this property and also the objection to urbanizing Carter was due to uh traffic and safety already

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on a congested two-lane um road. Um and the community meetings were uh then called the comm community commissioners, excuse me, were called um to the developers to please have some community

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meetings to settle any issues and come to a conclusion. We're not trying to stop development or anything. We would just like something reasonable. Unfortunately, those meetings never took place. But yet uh if we fast forward to 2025 midy year, the developers uh and

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the plans were approved behind closed doors. There was never a public meeting. Certainly, to my knowledge, and I did call the city council to find out if there was a meeting, when did I miss it, where were the minutes, and so on. They said no, it was already approved.

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And so, um, then at September 25, a meeting for a variance to the exit of a fast food drive-thru res, um, restaurant. Remember, this was called Huddle, so everybody could huddle together. Now we have a drive-thru restaurant. Um, to have it exit right

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onto 44B. Um, that was a variance from the uh actual uh rule or law or regulation. and the >> minutes please. >> Oh, okay. I'll continue next time.

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>> Thank you, >> Daniel Deonza. Greetings to all. Daniel Dvenanzo, local business owner here, longtime um investor and small-time developer in the city of Eustace and other areas in Lake County. I was not going to address this,

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but the young lady that just spoke, I hope everybody in the room understands that the deal was long time done when this property was sold and it was incorporated into the city with regard to the land use and guidelines and that

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technically the developer has legal standing that he's going to be able to do the development. In in hindsight, I just want everybody to know this. Um, I know somebody that works for the federal government and the Census Bureau. They estimated in 2021 that the population of

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the communities on Highway 19 moving north at 441 would double in 10 years. So if USUs is a community of 20,000 people, that means it's going to go to 40,000. Where are,000 people going to live? Go to Umatillaa, take that

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community. Where are they going to live? It's just it's it's actually what happens. So, I've been here a long time, 30 some odd years. I remember when uh 441 was a single lane in both directions. It was orange groves the whole way. There were no stop lightss.

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It amazes me the growth. Uh you know, it's harder and harder, but I got to tell you, there's still a lot of open land. And if the development, I will tell you, anybody that owns property here now, your houses are all worth more money, you have the opportunity to sell

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and move to a more rural area. And I'm sorry to say that, but that's the realistic of it. >> There you go. >> So, finishing So, finishing my >> So, so finishing my 1 minute and 10 seconds, I've had an opportunity to

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travel. I just came back from Spain and I'll tell you my vision. Yes, Spain, the country. So, I I had a vision over there. I was in a lot of smaller communities and I wrote letters to you all about um this vision I have now with

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my properties and also future development with regard to fountains and also landscaping. I'm going to look at everything I have now. I'm going to freshen landscaping. I'm going to continue. I have already built a couple of fountains in town. I'm gonna pursue that. I'll probably um you know we have

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USSUS Blooms. Is that the name of the organization? >> Uses and Bloom. Yes. >> Yeah. I I would love to get more involved with that because I want to tell you gathering spots are really important and especially where the youth can gather because you know that they don't have the money to pay for things.

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You know, you can't think about so we need to provide these gathering locations and fountains are awesome. Landscaping is awesome. And so that's really going to be my future going forward. >> Thank you. >> And I plan to live a long time.

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>> Okay. Now I have the cards from item 5.1. First is Cindy Newton. >> That's you, Cindy. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Cecil Pentecost Jr. >> also defer.

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>> Great. Thank you. >> Amber Pentecost. >> Thank you. >> Mark Bobic. >> If I speak now, can I also speak on June? >> Yes, of course. >> Hello, uh, Madame Mayor, honorable

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commissioners. My name is Mark Bobic. I am in fact a resident of Eustace. I am also uh proudly serving on the board of directors of Parkplace at Lake Joanna on CR44 uh 444B. I have been authorized today to speak on

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behalf of more than 500 Eustace residents and voters in our community. Voters who own aggregate property, perhaps more than the previous gentlemen, of more than $100 million. I am here uh today uh with other members

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of the board and many of my neighbors to speak out against this plan, the uh current form of the plan for Doris Park and the plan to develop that parcel from the Doris Park uh from the Eustace airport. The current proposal presents

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several clear and present dangers to the people of Park Place. Those dangers include a danger to our lives from traffic accidents due to massive increase in traffic. This project will create a greater threat than merely

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increased volume which I know is not something we can object to. So that's one. The other danger another danger is the real danger of flooding a natural disaster. uh you the drainage this

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system uh as I understand it the parkplace uh development is going to be subject to whatever mistakes are made in the drainage for Doris Park and I have heard from many persons about issues with raising the uh the what's now the

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runway area uh with detention ponds uh with the effect on lakes of Mount Dora and all of that but development is made for the purpose of minimizing costs and increasing profits for a few fortunate businessmen does not mean that you are

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acting in the public interest. Another danger is the destruction of our home values in the city of Eustus by deliberately converting a rural two-lane blacktop into an urbanized corridor,

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which the previous speaker spoke about. Nobody will want to buy homes on a John Young Parkway or a Sand Lake Road running through Eustace. I did not move to Eustace to move next to Sand Lake Road or or um John Young Parkway. And

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yet the obvious ambition of previous commissions has been to promote this rapid and complete urbanization. Now finally the dangers also extend to the city of Eustace itself because the

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city of Eustus will lose the ability to attract people that this previous gentleman spoke about as moving in. Not only is the migration to Florida down but the other element is if you make the situ the city so >> three minutes please. Thank you. All

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right, >> Dennis Spy. >> Good evening. My name is Dennis Spivey. Um I'm not a resident of us but of uh Lakesome Outdoor. Um, I want to thank the mayor and the commission for the opportunity to speak

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few minutes on the resolution of Doors Park Landing to be developed on the current Mid Florida Airport property. There are currently two home developments under construction on Route 44B.

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The Yardley development behind Lowe's is scheduled for 309 homes. Block 11 Park is the other one with 107 town homes. This is a total of 416 additional homes exiting onto 44B.

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Now, the commission asked to approve the uh for the development of Doris Park Landings, which will be added uh another 248 homes to 44B exits, which brings us to a total of 644

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additional homes, increasing the congestion on 44B, which is already painfully unbearable. I've spoken to the residents and monitored a number of the neighbors neighborhood internet links especially Lancaster community w which exits onto

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44B and they have said that they can take up to 30 minutes to exit 44B and arrive at inter intersection on US 441. What will be this be like uh with just

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the two existing developments when they are finished? Not to mention the proposed doors park landing. Additionally, the residents of lakes amount door are concerned about the amount of impact doors park landing property regarding property lines as a

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gated community of 55 having security issues without the airport buffer and without a wall to divide us. Also, the impact to all the infrastructure especially water runoff. The consensus

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is we don't need forest park landing or any other development in this area at this time. Thank you for this opportunity. >> Diane Nichols. >> My name is Diane Nichols and I live in the lakes of Mount Dora. Our home is

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located within the 500 ft buffer of the proposed Doris Park Landing development. And that's why my husband and I are here tonight. My we bought our lakes of Mount Dora home because it sits on a lovely piece of property. It's on a pond that

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separates my home from the Eustace airport runway. Until recently, we were able to enjoy quiet sunsets on our lai and the abundant wildlife which visited our yard and pond. With all the other developments on 44B, some of that peace

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and tranquility has already vanished and Doris Park Landing has the potential to further diminish the peaceful enjoyment of our property. Construction noise eventually ends, but the increase in traffic as well as the noise and light pollution which accompany a housing

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development does not. It doesn't have to be this way and we hope that the city of Eustace will help ensure that Doris Park Landing will continue to be a good neighbor as the airport has mostly been. We respectfully request that before the

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city gives the green light to this project that the Doris Park Landing developers will agree to erect a fence at the property border with lakes of Mount Dora. It is my understanding that there used to be a fence there and it's

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no longer there. B agree um to get the Doris Park developers to agree to add vegetation that is trees and shrubs on the Doris Park landing side of the border to mitigate the effect of development on our wildlife, our

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tranquility and our property values. and C get them to agree to address any drainage issues which arise before, during, and after construction is completed. This has been an issue with the huddle development and it is yet to

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been to be adequately addressed. I'm not naive. I know this development will happen. The question is when. But anything that the city of Eustace can do to ensure that Doris Park Landing remains a good neighbor is appreciated.

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Thank you, >> Roger Ray. >> Good afternoon. My name is Roger Ray. I actually I do not live in Eustace. I live in the edge of block 11. So, we're kind of neighbors. Um, my background is I'm a retired United States Navy captain

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of 27 years and I am also, excuse me, um, rent a property at the airport and Rama is an outstanding owner of that property. Uh, but what I would like to speak to you all about tonight is the current infrastructure on 44B. As we all

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know, Eustace rerouted all truck traffic from 19A to 44B. Um, I have been in contact with the county commissioners and 44B is not scheduled to be widened until 2031.

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Um, that's fourlane. There is an emergency um application going to widen the turn lane at 44B and 44 and that is being floated by a million dollar loan by the city of Mount Dora.

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Examples of backlog today I was on 40 on 441 turning north on 44B at 3:10 p.m. Traffic was backed up on 44B all the way to 441 northbound.

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um in the morning. Somebody else alluded to it. It can take 20 to 30 minutes to get out. Um if anybody would like to observe that, I'll I will gladly serve them coffee at my house and we can leave together in the morning and you can see

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what we have to deal with every day. Um many times traffic is backed up from 441 past the church and the fire station. Um, so, uh, I I realize that, uh, that that there is

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growth and I have talked to the county commissioners about the legal aspects of growth. Um, but Eustus has got to realize as does Mount Door because 44B is actually a state road and you all have no authority to widen the road. It

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has to be worked on with the state. So, um, all I would like to thank you for your consideration on this matter. Um, and please, if you could take into consideration making sure that our infrastructure can support any growth that we have because I don't think it will at the present time. Thank you very

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much, Orin Owen. >> I'll defer to June 4th. >> Okay. Thank you, George King. George King, uh, live in Parkplace, lived here for 30 years. How >> you doing, George? >> Um, I'm pretty much just going to speak

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what he did. Uh, we have a serious safety issue with the 44 and uh, they keep calling it a a two-lane highway, a road. No, it's a three lane. Even tonight, I had to turn the median and stay in the median all

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the way to the traffic light. It took about four or five lights before I could turn to come into town. We got three developments under construction now that haven't even affected this roadway. I think we got something going the other side of Circle

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K now because I see a a traffic light facing that direction. Let's go make it work. If we add another one to this, we may as well walk. We won't be able to drive. It's a safety issue. Thank

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>> BJ McCarti. >> Good evening. BJ McCarti. I'm a US residence, Madame Mayor, Vice Mayor, Honorable Commissioners. I'm the president of the board of the directors Parkplace at Lake Joanna. I've

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been there for 13 years. I'm not here to fight growth. We're not going to do that. Growth occurs. It's I moved here from Chicago. There's a lot of growth. Way too much growth. But it's coming whether we like it or not. I'm here to talk about something simpler and far more dangerous. And that's the infrastructure not keeping up. In fact,

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it's already failing. That's obvious by what everybody's been talking about. Bluntly, people are facing eminent danger. Not a little, a lot. Trying to get out of our community, you're gonna, as George said, you're going to have to get in the middle lane going out the other direction. You can't. You can't

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get out of our place at all because you've got a line of people trying to get back in. Starts with 44Bs. Two lanes. It's been two lanes the entire I've been time I've been here. Widening's been proposed, turned down, funded, defunded. Meanwhile, look what's landing in this one corridor. Doris Parkland Landing is

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one of them with 230 town homes, 18 homes, two commercial parcels on 41 acres. The airport, Huddle across the road, another 40 town homes and restaurants already under construction, although plagued with repeated delays, partially due to storm water and drainage issues. Chelsea, 73 more lots

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up near Circle K, Lock Leven Park, the rentals at 44B and Wayross, not to mention the pending developments across the street from there in the Groves. Now, that's Mount Dora, but we all use the same road. That's hundreds of new households funing funneling into a

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two-lane road that already backs up and is already dangerous. Here's the part that should worry each and every one of you. Most certainly does. Everybody who lives there, I can barely get out of my own subdivision. How does a firetruck get through? How does an ambulance get through when it's

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that backed up? Both lanes going through there, you just simply can't. How's an ambulance reach us when they try to get in and they can't get in and both both are done? How long does a cardiac patient have to wait while paramedics sit in the same traffic that we're sitting at? You cannot widen a two-lane

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road with a siren. And it's not just the roads. Look at the extreme water shortage we have right now. Where are these people going to get water? They all get the water in the same place. They'll either go walk o one way or the other. Watering's down to one day a week. Good luck with all of that. You can't pull

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more out of a system that's already dry. I'm not asking you to stop. I'm asking you to sequence. Tie the approvals to infrastructure meant to support them. Road capacity, water, drainage, schools, emergency access. Require it to be funded and built in advance or at least alongside the building of the homes, not

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promised for some way somewhere down the road. Right now, you're approving homes that emergency services are not going to be able to reach. You're partially responsible for that. This is not a planning problem. This is a safety problem. I appreciate your

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time. Thank you. >> No, please stop. We will not have that. Just listen and be respectful and that's all we ask of you. >> I have no more cards, mayor. >> Okay. Then we'll move on to the consent agenda. Move for approval.

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>> Move approval of the consent agenda. >> Second. have a first and second roll call, please. >> We'll take a break while they move out. by Commissioner Holland and seconded by Vice Mayor Ashgraph. Correct. >> Correct. Correct. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft.

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>> Hi. >> Commissioner Hawkins. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Holland. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Azotti. >> I. >> Mayor Lee. >> I. >> So we'll move on to Artemises now. >> Yes. You didn't want to take the break then? >> Do you do you need a break? >> No. Right now.

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>> No. >> No. Okay. Hold on. >> I was just going to say so they can get out and I'm going to give them a break, but yeah. >> Okay. >> Um, so we will begin with item 5.10, uh, which is ordinance number 2026-17. We had first hearing for this item on

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May 7th, 2026. This is an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Florida, approving a development agreement between the city of Eustace and WD of America, Inc. pursuant to sections 163.3220-163.3243

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Florida statutes providing for authorization to execute providing for recording providing for conflicts providing for severability and providing for an effective date believe we have a brief presentation on this item Mr. Richardson.

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So for ordinance 202617 um there were some additions to the or alterations anyway to the permitted and the prohibited uses. This will just kind of give you a summary of that. Um so

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under restaurants um the previous or the original DA called for sitdown and quick service dining with or without drive-throughs. drive-throughs were um was what was called into question. Um

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what the applicant or um applicant's representative had suggested was they'd still like to have them, but they'll address it. So they um the wording was changed to provided that

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the drive-thru does not face north towards County Route 44A or towards Spring Ridge Estates. to the south. Um that was added as additional language and is included in the resigned re

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um done developer developer development agreements that are in your package. Um the prohibited uses uh gas station convenience store was added and agreed to by the u owner's representative. I'm losing my

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language completely right now. Um, no retail sale of alcohol and vehicle related uses, including repair, service, sales, and leasing, and car washes, um, will be precluded from being allowed to,

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uh, to exist on the property. And that's just the remainder of the uh, of the list that is in the development agreement. Those are the all the originals. The underline that was shown was what was added and I think that is um yeah there were

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some prohibited ancillary there were no changes done to those. >> That's it for the >> I think that was it. Yeah. So basically this just codifies what we had discussed at LPA um and was uh

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stated by Mr. Sachuk with that clarification with the drive-throughs and are there any questions um for the commission on this? No. Thank you Jeff. Would anyone in the

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audience like to speak on this item? >> We do have some cards. Uh the first one, Robin Elaine Lawrence, >> please come up. Um and you have three minutes. >> Thank you. My name is Robin Elaine Lawrence. I am not a Eustace resident,

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but I am a Lake County resident. I am also the current representative or the current candidate representative for the House of Representatives for District 26, which is my district. Madame Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Council,

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I am here in opposition to the proposed construction of a strip mall between the neighborhoods of Clear Lake Place and Spring Ridge Estates. Now, we all know growth is coming and development and will continue to come to our

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community, but we must be smart and responsible when it comes to this. Where we build and when we build and what we build, we've have to be smart on this. Development should never move forward

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without fully considering the long-term impacts that it will have on surrounding neighborhoods like these two neighborhoods and their residents. We must carefully evaluate the environmental impact of

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this proposed project, including concerns regarding drainage, storm run water runoff, and the increased potential of for flooding. In addition, we must examine the strain this development could place on local

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roads and infrastructure as well as a significant increase in traffic conjection congestion and safety concerns for nearby families and residents. The constituents of district 26 have voiced a strong opposition to

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this construction of this strip mall. Residents are asking for clear and transparent information regarding this proposal development, including its environmental impact, traffic studies, flood

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mitigation plans, and the long-term effects it may have on the surrounding communities. Our communities deserve transparency, accountability, and a meaningful voice in decisions that are directly affecting their neighborhood,

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not yours, theirs, and quality of life. Growth should be planned respons responsibly and with people from the community in mind, not rushed without proper consideration and public input. I

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respectfully ask that these concerns be seriously reviewed before approving. The approval is granted for this project. I have 18 seconds left. I want to make a comment to the gentleman that spoke about people moving out of the

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area. People bought their homes here to live here to see this beautiful view. >> That's enough. You You can't comment on that, please. Thank you. Thank you. >> You have a wonderful day. >> You too, >> Trina Marquez. Hello everyone. My name is Trina

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Marquez. Everyone knows that I live north of this proposed property. As you recall, the question was previously raised. Would you rather have residential homes or commercial development? Here's your answer in front

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of you. I gave you a handout. 42 residents said yes to homes. One didn't care, and one wanted commercial. All 44 were concerned regarding impact of noise, traffic, and quality of life. Please look at your

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whatever you call that handout. I don't know. Thank you. >> Donald Doyle. >> Good evening. My name is Donald Doyle. I do not live in the city of Eustace, but I live just across the street from the subject property. Concerning the properties on the corner

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of 40, county 44 and 44A, I would prefer that these properties were developed in accordance with the plan unit development which was in place when the developer purchased these properties. I could go into detail about how the PUD is still valid and limits the uses allowed on the subject properties. I could go into detail about how the

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proposed development is not compatible with the surrounding neighborhood properties, but I won't go into those details tonight because I've done so during previous Eustace Commission meetings. I appreciate the limits placed on the uses in the proposed development via the development agreement and I

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appreciate the changes to the development agreement which prohibits gas stations and retail sales of alcohol. There is one permitted use which uh which causes me a great deal of concern. That is restaurant with or without drive-throughs. Even though the development agreement was changed since

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the last meeting to state, provided that the drive-thru does not face north towards county 44A or south towards Spring Ridge Estate subdivision. It still concerns me. If you search the internet for drive-through restaurant problems, you will find many articles which document these issues. The

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developer states he is not adding traffic. Do you believe the only people who will drive into this development are the ones who already drive by? I do not. I believe the development and especially a drive-through restaurant will increase traffic in the area. Earlier today, I

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sent an email to commissionus.org, but I'm not sure that you received it. If you did not, I can provide it to you tonight. It had an attachment about a Florida Department of Transportation trip generation study summary page.

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Uh, and it should be in the attachment to that email. It addresses the traffic issue. Uh, the summary page mentions current situation. As the number of drive-throughs in Florida surged during

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the CO 19 pandemic, long queuing lanes at coffee shops and fast food restaurants became a typical part of the quick service experience. However, the convenience of quick service has come at a price. This queue may spill onto the adjacent roadways and cause unexpected

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impacts on everyday road user experience, resulting in increased risk for crashes and congestion. Something else which concerned me about a restaurant this close to our homes is that if it is allowed to operate 24 hours a day, I ask you to reconsider and

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prohibit drive-through restaurants. I also ask you to limit all restaurant operations to reasonable hours considering how close it will be to our homes. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration. >> Thank you.

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>> Um Cindy Newton, you had put item 5.2. Would you rather come now seeen as we move this forward? Great. Thank you. >> Good evening, Cindy Newton. I appreciate the opportunity to speak. I'm still worried about the drainage

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there. The uh retention pond is shown to be on the south side, which is right next to the Springbridge Estates. Right now, FEMA is looking at mandatory

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100year storm water ponds with a look at 500year. The county is already asking for the 100year and getting them with most developments. I know Mr. Sichchuk had mentioned he

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wanted to oversize the pond, but I'm asking for at least a hundredyear retention there and if possible move it to the north with a swell behind it to help protect Spring Ridge in case of a

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breach. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Travis. >> Helch. Hello. Thanks for your time tonight. I'm Travis Sachuk. I'm one of the uh developers of both the properties. I just wanted to remind you that I took the time to listen to what everybody

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said. I listened to your concerns and we did the developers agreement together. I think I've addressed every problem and every concern in still being able to provide a development that would service the community properly. It is a bypass road. It's high traffic and a

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development like this is not a strip center. It is multiple small boutique buildings with a park-like setting. Huge walkways, lots of gathering areas, lots of fountains, lots of trees. This is not a ugly strip center. It has different

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facades. You've seen the development drawings. I'm going to stick to that. Everybody needs to realize that I'm the biggest neighbor. I bought this property because I care about what happens here. I didn't want to take the chance that somebody else would buy this, maybe go

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through the county and not have to have a developers agreement. I did this to protect all of us and I'm standing, excuse me, standing behind that. Um, I hope I get the opportunity to prove to you that those drawings will be done exactly like that. If you are concerned

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about pondage, you know the process. By the time we get there, we're going to address all those concerns and all those traffic issues. So, thank you for your time. Appreciate it. >> Does the commission have any questions for Mrs. Sachuk? >> No. >> I have no more cards.

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>> Would anyone in the audience like to speak that didn't get a chance to already last one? Mansono. >> Greetings again. Daniel Danzo, uh, local business operator. So, um, I did not know Travis Sache before this project

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came before you and I decided to review it and check it out and I've looked at it closely. I've also looked at what he would have the capacity to do if he did not annex to the county, which is exactly what he's going to do. So, the benefit here is the city is going to

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benefit by the the tax revenue that's going to be generated by the development. Also, I did look at his drawings uh closely. I think he actually gave a very good description. I didn't know he was going to get up uh and talk about it, but it is more like a village

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uh village center rather than um I think the ideology of a strip mall was a very bad verbiage and brought to mind, you know, what we want to think about when we think about strip malls. Uh that's not what it is. I think I think he has really tried to respond to you. And the

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reason I I think I'm up here is because I really take seriously that when somebody buys property and owns it and has an opportunity that's already in place to develop it that we have to respect that right. And I understand

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homeowners would like it always to be an open field, you know, and coming back to the airport. Wouldn't it be nice if they had planes and small private jet planes landing there all the time and got to listen that to going in and out? But the city sold that airport, which by the way

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was remiss on my part. But I think Mr. Sachuk has responded. Um, and I and I hope that you you'll recognize that his due diligence and the opportunity that we have because I think it's actually a unique project for us. I think it is.

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Thank you. >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm going to go ahead and close public input component of the hearing and I'll give it back to you for discussion or a motion. >> Discussion or May I move approval of ordinance number 2026-17?

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>> Just a second. >> I'm sorry. Go ahead, George. >> No, I I I just wanted to say that we that uh I'm not a fan of of reckless growth, but growth is a reality. Um, I'm not a

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fan of the city being impacted by a property that we can't control. And I do not like the county being in charge of our uh a key corridor. Um, I think what uh

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these two people back over here who we're going to miss after this, we have to use so many meetings, but have have done a good job of of sharing their concerns. And I think the commission has done a phenomenal job of trying to adjust uh to that. Um my choice is that

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nothing goes there. But that's that's just not a reality. He's going to go to the county and then we're going to be they're not going to bend or flex. So I think we're between a rock and a hard spot. I think the commission has done a fantastic job of trying to get us to the best possible place uh place we are and

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uh I think we need to control it. >> George, I was going to say the same. That's why I made the motion was to get us to the conversation part. Mr. Sawchuk, city staff, they've worked hard together. We as a commission have tried to work through. At the end of the day, something's going to happen on that

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corner, and we need to control our destiny with that corner, not let the county take over it. So, that that's the reason I made the motion. >> Yeah. I mean, I would like to vote no and let it go to the county and then not be in charge of it is is terrible. So, I

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think we we've done good. I think the developers made some um some concessions um that I don't think anyone else in my time up here has ever done, but um I really want us to control that that corner. So that's it.

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>> Okay, >> I still stick with my motion. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> Okay. >> Welcome. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Hawkins. Hi, >> Commissioner Holland.

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>> Hi, >> Commissioner Asat. >> Hi, >> Vice. Sorry, Mayor Lee. >> I. >> Next is ordinance number 2026-18. We had the first hearing on this on May 7th, 2026. It's an ordinance of the city

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of Eustus, Florida, approving a development agreement between the city of Eustace and TNS Florida Partners, Inc. pursuant to sections 163.3220-163.3243 Florida statutes providing for authorization to execute providing for recording providing for conflicts

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providing for severability and providing for an effective date we have a brief uh update presentation Mr. Can we again we have the summary for TNSFL partners for the amendments that

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were requested pursuant to um the last meeting that we are here on May 7th. um permitted uses. There actually were no changes in this particular list. in prohibited uses. Um added and clarified

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beyond the major vehicle repair and service to again include the same language in the WD America as to vehicle prohibited uses including vehicular related uses uh vehicle repair service facilities, vehicle sales and leasing,

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vehicle washing or andor car wash establishments. um for the shooting range. Um although outdoor ranges are not allowed in MCI at all, we did include that language in there for indoor and outdoor shooting

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ranges as a prohibited use. I think that covered everything that was requested um for the changes. >> And that is it. >> Great. Any questions for staff from the commission?

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Do we have any cards on this item? >> Um, yeah, we have some. I don't if you want to have your comments carried through, if you want to speak again. Um, Robin Elaine Lawrence, >> uh, Trina Marquez. >> You guys are going to miss me. You know that. >> I I already said that.

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Anyways, good evening again. This will be my last time. You know, this makes me very nervous speaking. I listen intently during all the town meetings I've been to, which have been a few starting since last year. I agree that Mr. Saltchuk investors are entitled to make a profit,

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but not at the expense of the two existing neighborhoods. Build according to the existing PUD. There's nothing wrong with that PUD. It's valid and current. He can make money. I listened to you guys talking about Umatillaa

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refusing the Duke Energy poles. Remember that conversation? Let Eustus be the new trailblazers. Let's follow you. Let's say no to just another concrete jungle. I appreciate your concern. You know the ones I'm talking about concerning

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obtaining the developers agreement. I encourage you to read your emails and listen to the people of Eustace. We do not want this. We want residential homes. Your vote today will permanently, you won't have to hear me anymore, but

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it will permanently affect our existing neighborhoods, maintain our hometown appeal. Thank you, >> Donald Doyle. >> Travis, >> that's all the cards. >> Okay. Um, do we have anyone that wish to

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speak that hasn't spoken yet. Okay. Before I close public input, are there any questions from the commission for Mr. Sawuk? >> No. All right. Then public input is closed and I'll give it back to you, Madam Mayor.

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>> Approval of ordinance number 2026-18. >> A second. >> Roll call, please. >> Mayor Ashcraft. >> I. >> Commissioner Hawkins. I, >> Commissioner Holland. >> I, >> Commissioner Obotti, >> I, >> Mayor Lee,

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>> I. >> Okay, >> now for second reading, we have uh, ordinance number 2026-06 and um, that follows up by 0708, all of which had presentation on May 7th.

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Will there be additional presentation on these? >> Oh, thank you. All right. So, uh, first is ordinance number 2026-06, uh, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Florida, voluntarily annexing approximately 10 acres of real property at Lake County Property Appraisers alternate key number

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104141 located in unincorporated Lake County, Florida on the east side of the intersection of County Road 44 and County Road 44A. Uh, since we've already had presentation and there's no further presentation, are there any questions for staff from commission?

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Do we have any cards on this item? >> The same group. I'll just run through again. Um Robin, >> okay, Karina Marquez, you done? >> I've said everything. I can say >> Doyle

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and Travis. >> Okay. Anyone else in the audience that would like to speak on this item? Okay, ma'am, if you could come up to the podium, state your name. If you're a resident of Eustace, and you'll have three minutes. I wasn't prepared to speak, but I'm

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going to try anyway. My name is Charlene Timberman. I am a resident on Clear Lake Drive and have been there for 55 years and have watched the development in this area. And I am concerned about not only the cities but the counties not listening to the people of what they

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want even though we all realize that there's been a development. When I moved here there was a McDonald's and that's that was being built when we moved. There was nothing else here. So I've I've seen this develop but my concern is what the future is going to be. What the development what about the

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grocery stores? What about the churches? What about the schools? I don't see much has changed with the schools since I've lived here. The roads are also a major concern here. I think the anybody needs to consider what we're doing with the

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roads. There's more people coming in and if I'm the one that sent the email yesterday about 44 coming from the east from Dand crossing where Clear Lake is. There is a dip in the road there. It goes down and

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it comes up drastically. And those people coming from the east drive like maniacs coming through there. It's been probably 30 years ago that I presented to the Lake County School Board, the busing people over there because the children were actually being

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picked up on 44. When the um whoever is in charge of the busing over there came, they saw what was happening there. And even the man that was in charge of the busing said, "This is ridiculous. This road is too busy to have a school

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bus pass by there." And now, since that time, the school buses have come in, which has nothing to do with this property. But I'm saying 30 years ago, they deem that road dangerous. I am against commercial there because of the traffic that's increased. I haven't

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seen and it might be my fault. How with the strip mall or whatever deal, however you want to word it, how is there going to be eress and ingress into that property where it's not dangerous to people coming out of Clear Lake and where that stoplight is on the corner

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44A and 44. It's been mentioned that there can be a signage up there that there's only a right-hand turn. You might as well forget that because the people come through the stoplight and they don't stop there and there's been numerous accidents there. I I would like for you

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to consider the traffic pattern there that's going to increase especially with the people east that are building coming through. It's dangerous for the people. Plus, I feel sorry for the people on the other side of the street where the development is going to be for flooding out there. Those are the things that I

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see happening over 55 years. And I would like for you to please consider all of this. Think of the future. It's not going to get better here. It's going to get worse, but we need to be responsible. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. Anyone else?

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I'll go ahead and close public input portion. Madame Mayor, >> Madame May, I move approval of ordinance number 202606. >> I sec the first and the second. Roll call, please. Vice Mayor Ashcraft.

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>> Hi, >> Commissioner Hawkins. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Holland. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Asat. >> Hi, >> Mayor Lee. >> I. Next is ordinance number 2026-07, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Lake County, Florida, amending the city of Eustace

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comprehensive plan pursuant to section 16 163.3187 Florida statutes changing the future land use designation of approximately 10 acres of real property proposed for annexation into the city of Eustace at alternate key number 1040141

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generally located on the east side of the intersection of County Road 44 and County Road 44A. Okay, we've had presentation on this item. Nothing further this evening. Any questions from the commission for staff? Do we have any cards? >> I just the same cards. Everybody's done.

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>> Okay. Um would the team like to speak? Anyone else? Okay. Three minutes. >> Hello again. As I said before, my name is Robin Elaine Lawrence. Um I am a Lake County resident, not a Eustace residence. Um

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and I am um running for the House of Representative for this district, District 26. Um I understand, um development and and and I get that. Where are the wildlife going to go? Has anybody looked at that? Where

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are the wildlife going to go? Where are the wildlife in this area going to go? Are they going to be pushed into these residents backyards? Because I know where I live, they're building, and the wildlife are coming into our yards. And you can't

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blame that wildlife because we're taking their home, their place. And then let's look at the 24-hour restaurant. 24-hour restaurants bring crime. They can get robbed at night. Guess where that crime is going to go into

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these neighborhoods also. So, I would ask that we we really really really consider this. I I'm all for um beautifying places, but let's look at these poor animals. Let's look at the the the crime that can be caused from

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24-hour restaurants. I don't really know that we need 24-hour restaurants, um drive-through restaurants. Again, like I said, they do bring crime because you're out in the middle of nowhere.

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It's easy to get robbed. Um, and then that crime goes into these neighborhoods. One, when they're trying to get away, and two, they're just a setting duck there. So, that's all I have to say. I yield back my time.

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>> Thank you. >> Anyone else? Okay, Mr. Sachuk. >> Hello, Travis Sachuk representing those two parcels. I don't want to make this personal, but some of these things that were stated were very interesting and they're very

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concerning for me, too. Wildlife. If you notice, Lake Swa has a wetland protection area all around. It also goes from Spring Ridge all the way around the back side of their property where their major retention pond is. So, my property that I personally live on backs onto

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Lake Satara's uh wildlife. We're we call it our wildlife. There's all kinds of animals, wildlife there, and they stay in that corridor. They hop over 44A and they go into that other protected area and ravine and there's an immense amount of wildlife that will stay in that

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corridor. the 13 acres that we're talking about right now, all the underbrush has been cut accordingly and timely uh to do everything we can to expedite that change and not affect any wildlife. There's no wildlife that um

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has a nomadic trail that goes through that property and goes anywhere else. We're not going to affect wildlife. I just really wanted to say that uh because it's important to me. And nowhere in my plan do I ever say about a 24-hour restaurant. Remember, I live right next door and I don't want a

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24-hour restaurant. You want to you want to change the uh amendment or the uh developers agreement, I'll put it in there, but I'm not going to have it. So, I just just really wanted to say that. Thank you. >> All right. Um I'll go ahead and close public input for

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this portion. Madame Mayor, >> Madame Mayor, I move approval of orders 2026-07. >> I'll second it. If I have a first and a second, roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft, >> I. >> Commissioner Hawkins, >> I. >> Commissioner Holland. >> Hi.

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>> Commissioner Asbody. >> I. >> Mayor Lee. >> I. >> Next is ordinance number 2026-06. An ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Lake County, Florida, assigning the suburban corridor design district designation to approximately 10 acres of real property

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proposed for annexation into the city of Eustace at alternate number 1040141, generally located on the east side of the intersection of County Road 44 and County Road 44A. There's no additional presentation on this item. Are there any questions from commission?

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Um, I assume it's the same cards. So, would anyone like to speak on this item? Seeing none, I will close public input. >> All right. >> Trina Marquez, you all know where I live. Okay. My final thing that I'm

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going to say is that I have to live in this area. And I do appreciate what the three of you have done concerning this developers agreement. I truly do appreciate it, but I really wish that he could just build under the existing PUB.

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That's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else? Okay, see that? We'll close public input. Give it back to you, Madame Mayor. >> Move approval of orders 2026-08. >> I second.

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>> We've got a first and second. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> I. Commissioner Hawkins. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Holland. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Ozbody. >> Hi. >> Mayor Lee. >> I. >> The next set of ordinances um cover the

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2.8 acres and that's uh uh 2026-0910 and 11. And we had presentation on this item on May 7th. Will we have anything further this evening, Mr. Richardson? >> Okay. Thank you. Starting with ordinance number 2026-09,

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an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Florida. voluntarily annexing approximately 2.8 acres of real property at Lake County Property Appraisers alternate key number 3959037 generally located in unincorporated Lake County, Florida on the east side of

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intersection of County Road 44 and County Road 44A. Are there any questions from the commission for staff? >> Same cards. >> Same same cards. Okay. Would uh anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? Okay, please come up. You have three

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minutes. >> So, you know my name. Um, I would um I would ask that can we guarantee that wildlife will not be affected? Do we know 100% there's no wildlife in that area? 100%.

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Also, um I would like to see um an amendment in there that we cannot do a uh 24-hour drive-thru. I think that that's um my understanding from what I what I looked at was that the uh that is

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the option if they want to do 24 hours and um my suggestion would be to make it reasonable hours so that we're not having those issues. Um and um that's basically what I have to

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say. I yield back my time. Okay. >> Thank you. Um Jeff, do you want to address that component? The MCI did not address restaurants as one of the permitted uses and um so it lists out you know permitted uses for the property. Restaurants were not on

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this MCI property. >> I think she was probably refer referring to the other one though >> to the 10 acres, right? >> Let's see. Um, would anyone else like to speak on this item? >> I just like to listen and hear things.

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So, if we put all houses there, are the wildlife going to cohabitate? >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Um, Mr. saw Chuck, uh, since you did state earlier, do you mind make if we went ahead and made that correction that it

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could not be a 24-hour restaurant? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Right next to it. >> Sounds good. >> Jeff, >> thank you. >> All right. Um, >> come on up. >> No, if you could just come on up,

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please. I need to get it on the record. >> I kind of like the way Chick-fil-A does things. They don't not open on Sundays. I like that. I'd like to follow that model, but I'd like some working common sense when we try to decide what reasonable hours are. You know, 10:00,

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you know, look, sounds good to me. >> But we'll work that out. >> We'll just indicate the goal is just to say >> the developers agreement. >> No 24 hours. >> No 24 hours. Perfectly fine. >> Anything other than >> I think works. You guys will get >> That's not going to cause any delays, is it? If we

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>> we can make that correction. >> All right. And I'm >> okay. All right. Anything further from the public? >> Is this anything different? >> I just want to say that 10:00 is fine. >> All right. So, we'll go ahead and close

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public input and I'll give it back to you, Madam May. >> Madame Mayor approve approval of ordinance number 20269. >> Uh, I second. Got a first and a second. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft, >> I. >> Commissioner Hawkins, >> I. >> Commissioner Holland, >> I.

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>> Commissioner Asati. >> I. >> Mayor Lee. >> I. >> Next is ordinance number 2026-10, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Lake County, Florida, amending the city of Eustace comprehensive plan pursuant to section 163.3187, Florida statutes, changing the future

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land use designation of approximately 2.8 8 acres of real property proposed for annexation into the city of Eustace at alternate key number 3959037 generally located on the east side of the intersection of County Road 44 and County Road 44A. There's no further

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presentation. Any questions from commission? Okay, hearing none. Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? I will be closing public hearing uh since I saw nothing. Um, madame mayor, >> mayor, move approval of ordinance 2026-10.

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>> I second. >> First and second. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> I. >> Commissioner Hawkins. >> I. >> Commissioner Holland. >> I. >> Commissioner Ozbody. >> I. >> Mayor Lee. >> I. The last component is ordinance number 2026-11,

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an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Lake County, Florida, assigning the suburban corridor SC designation design district to the approximate to approximately 2.8 acres of real property proposed forexation into the city at alternate key numbers

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3959037 generally located on the east side of the intersection of County Road 44 and County Road 44A. Uh, no further presentation on this item. Any questions from commission hearing? None. Anyone in the audience wishing to speak on this item? Okay, seeing none, I will close

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public input. Madame Mayor, >> Madame Mayor, move approval of ordinance number 2026-11. >> I second. >> First and second. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft, >> I. >> Commissioner Hawkins, >> I. >> Commissioner Holland, >> I.

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>> Commissioner Asi, >> I. >> Mayor Lee, >> I. Um, now for first reading, we have ordinance number 20. >> I'm sorry. >> You want to break? >> Uh, well, maybe uh actually I if Madame Mayor, if you'll indulge me for a

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minute, um, I was going to bring this up underneath my comments, but I think it's prudent to talk about this now. What are we going to do to slow down the growth? What arms do we have to slow down this growth?

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We have We have to deal with Bird Harris, Senate Bill 180. We can't spot zone. We have utilities. What What arms can we come up with to slow this down? And I'm I really I want this to be a discussion because it seems like our hands are just tied and we just have to

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roll over and just take this every meeting. Every meeting it's about development. It's the thing that care about the most and it's the thing that our hands are tied. So what can we do to slow down this program? I mean, we've al obviously doing

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developers agreement, something that he doesn't have to do. Um, can we look at uh can Senate Bill 180 allow us to do anything with with zoning or storm water

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ponds, impervious surfaces? >> Right now, the code >> well protection, anything. >> Yeah. So, we're just supposed to roll over and take this every meeting. Every meeting. Every meeting. Even though it's something we don't really want.

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>> Yeah. It's It's unfortunate. Um right now the the way the Senate bill until it's either modified um the court rules that it needs to be overturned um or it's >> attorney, would you explain to the audience? You know, some of them may not

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even have an idea what we're talking about. Can you explain that our hands are tied and that it is what it is and we have to deal with it. So if you would explain that to them, please. >> Well, and and one more thing, we cannot stop. We we can't have a mortorium on

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annexations, right? Also, because of Senate Bill 180, >> right? >> So, like I said, what are we going to do? We're just going to sit here and take this every meeting. We've got to find some ways to slow this down. I don't care how. I don't care how, but we have a lot of intelligent people in this

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room. We need to find some ways to slow this down. >> Okay. >> You know, one of the things that I think and and you know, uh the mayor and vice mayor are correct. U but there are more residents than builders.

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The answer is in Tallahassee. You know, if you're not happy with what's going on, pick up the phone, send an email, or go to the capital. You know, our hands are tied. So, you

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know, we need to get, you know, uh, Tallahassy's attention. If you all are not happy with what's happening, we need to get their attention. I I believe that the architect of Senate Bill 180 is turned out.

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>> No longer going to be there after they get this budget passed hopefully next week or the week after. Um and I think we will see some revisions of Senate Bill 180. Are we going to like all of them? No. But I think if we start now,

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we can let our voices be heard and the residents need to join us. We cannot be the only ones up in Tallahassee saying this is killing us as small communities. Um, I agree. I don't like voting on some

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of this stuff. I've said that before, but I also know the lawsuits that'll come when we when we start bucking that Senate Bill 180, it's it's not going to be pretty. >> So, can you imagine? Yeah, if I briefly

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um just to explain essentially uh the legislature, it's known as Senate Bill 180, but it's now been codified in Florida statutes, um enacted legislation that certain areas, in particular Lake County that have been affected by the three major hurricanes that we had in the recent

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years, um when we were affected by uh Milton. So we fall under the the longest time period where no changes can actually be made to our comprehensive plan that would make it more restrictive or more difficult for development to

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ensue. Um that period co actually it's retroactive to 2024 and goes through October of 2027 which is the sunset date at this time. Um basically our code has to is is frozen and any action that has

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been taken um retroactively in 2024 that would make it more stringent would uh effectively be invalid and we would not be able to enforce any of those actions. So we are limited to situations where people can

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voluntarily as Mr. Sashuk has done enter into agreements with the city for certain restrictions um at his own accord without um any kind of coercion or anything of that sort which is what's transpired here since he's seeking um he was seeking annexation and that is the

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issue that we're having. There's a class action suit out there. Um they are trying to get some reductions and and try to bring back some of that home rule power that has really been taken from the small um local government, small

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cities, municipalities, all haven't been impacted by this and essentially when our hands are tied, we don't have a choice but to move forward with what Tallahassee states. There's a preeemption issue here. So um yes, I agree contacting your representative is

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the best way to go. um and making sure that they hear you and push where it matters to make sure that our law supports um the homeu power. >> Well, the other and thank you for that.

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The other um issue is they're here because we have utilities. >> It's a double-edged sword when it comes to our utilities and I'm just asking if there's some way we can get together and

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see if there's anything possible on this. >> I also would comment um I think Commissioner Hawkins made a good point. You know, we've gotten a lot of emails and people said, "We're going to vote you out. We're going to vote you out. You're talking to the wrong crowd. You

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should vote out those in Tallahassee who are tying our hands." That's where it starts and that's where you need to be. So, um, consider that. Make your voices known. That's the way to get it done so that our hands are not so tied. And we're always being blamed for it. And

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people are very angry with us about it. But that's why I wanted the attorney to explain why we are doing what we're doing, why we have to do what we're doing. And I terribly agree, I mean explicitly agree with uh Commissioner

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Ashcraft that we have to look at a way to do something, but we also have to be careful about how we do it. So, um I'm glad we had this talk and thank you for bringing it up. >> Thank you. >> We're probably have to have the same talk again next week,

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>> next month. >> Yeah, >> definitely. I wish I wish we had done this prior to everybody leaving. Oh, gotcha. >> Okay, they'd like a fivem minute break, please. Y'll be back at 7:30.

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All right, we're back in session. Um, we have for first reading ordinance number 2026-26. It's an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Eustace, Lake County, Florida, amending chapter 70, pensions and retirement, article 3, city of Eustace municipal firefighters pension

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and retirement system section 70-69 titled retirement age of the city's code of ordinances and providing for an effective date. Um, so I prepared the staff report on this. I'm just going to do a brief reading of it. Um so this

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ordinance amends um our code to revise the normal retirement date um for covered members. The amendment implements pension provisions that were negotiated in the collective bargaining agreement for the fiscal year 24 to 27

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um and uh that's between the city and IAFF local 4731. This was reviewed and recommended for approval by the firefighters pension board of trustees. Under the proposed revision, the normal retirement age would occur upon the earlier of 55

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age 55 with 10 years of credited service or completion of 25 years of credited service regardless of age. The existing retirement early retirement provisions remain unchanged. This ordinance is uh supported by an act actuarial impact statement that was prepared by Foster

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and Foster which was included in the packet and it um was prepared by um on February 10th, 2026 and is intended to maintain compliance with chapters 112 and 175 of the Florida statutes and also article 10 section 14 of the Florida

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Constitution. The AIS projects increases in the minimum required contribution and related pension funding obligations while incorporating the negotiated allocation of chapter 175 uh premium tax revenues. So there's a portion that is

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going to be contributed to help offset the increase that's coming um from the change in the retirement age. staff recommends approval uh because ordinance implements what has already been ratified in the collective bargaining terms. Um it preserves the

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plan's state accepted status and provides a legally required >> actuarial basis for adoption and of course this does not affect uh private business activity or regulated so that the BIE exemption does not

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apply. So, any questions on that? >> Would anyone in the audience like to speak on this item? Seeing none, I will close public input and give it back to you, Madam Mayor. >> Madame Mayor, I move approval of Orange 2026-26. >> A second.

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>> First and second. Roll call, please. >> Vice Mayor Ashcraft. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Hawkins. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Holland. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Asat. >> Hi. >> Mayor Lee. Hi. And that is all. >> Thank you, ma'am. We're

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>> done. So, we'll move on to future agenda items and comments. >> You'll start with me. Oh, >> well um essentially I just wanted to let you know. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Oh, right. So, um last meeting um we asked for I had asked for a consensus to

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um kind of flip the order so that I would >> I just unflipped them. Okay, go ahead. I didn't know. So I would go first and then um we would have uh city manager go next and then commission and then you would finish out the meeting. That way the updates that you usually ask for

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during your portions um we kind of prep for and or can answer ahead of time and it'll reduce the the amount of questions you might have. But I just wanted to just give a a quick update on uh Spring Ridge. Um I've heard back from their council. They're um just asking for additional time to review the

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agreement and set up a meeting with us. And as far as the u marijuana dispensaries, I was um asked for the word version of the ordinance um by um Miss Son uh Suffin and I provided that for her so that she can redline it so

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that I could then um work on getting you guys that more complete um memorandum. And that's all I have. Any questions? >> Thank you. city manager. >> Tomorrow is going to be a busy day. Um

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we have the Veterans Memorial unveiling at the cemetery at 9:00 tomorrow morning. Um we're pretty excited about that. It came out really nice. Um following that, that'll uh conclude around 9:45. We will head back over here

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and we have our CIP workshop and that's scheduled 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock. um the city manager recruiting brochure. I got the last of those comments. Um very minor. It should be easy for them to uh get that corrected. We will send

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that back to the consultant tomorrow. Um it should be out published um early to mid next week. So pushing them. Uh the RFQ for the CRA surplus lots. Um the selection committee met and Habitat for

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Humanity was awarded that. Uh we did get um the the construction management at risk that RFQ. Um the submitters came in. We have 10 submitters. Um we're in the process of

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evaluating those. The selection committee meets next Tuesday and we will award to uh get a team of construction managers on board. Um, and lastly, uh, the deputy city manager

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and myself, we met earlier this week with Representative, uh, Fines's office and to discuss some some grant funding opportunities, more some of the storm water um, things that could help us on

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on both SDS and Spring Ridge. um didn't have anything concrete on hand. Um so both of those are a little bit challenging. Uh but she did promise to go back and and look at that and let us know and keep us in the loop on that.

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That's what I have. >> Thank you. >> Okay. City commission Mr. or commission asked body. >> Why do I get to go first? >> Because I said so. Did you steal that from him?

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>> Um to answer to Gary's point there, which I wasn't didn't have enough chance to think about that. One of the things that that we can do and that other municipalities are are doing is when we

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and really previous way back make approvals for certain annexations or land use changes is to incorporate a sunset clause in there. So when something is done like P's dairy that might have been done years and decades ago and it carries through if they don't

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act on the development they don't file specific dates for uh development that the rights that we give them get sunset and they lose that this way we don't create issues for 10 20 years down the

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line. So a sunset uh form of some uh provision to things that we approve uh would make a big difference because as time goes on and decades go on things things change. So um that's that's uh something that uh we should really take

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pretty serious in in doing that. It will help a lot of the things that uh Ashgraph was talking about. Um, I have a lot of concerns as to why it took us so long to get um, Sawuk's deal

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across the line. And I'm also concerned about what I heard a little bit ago about the um about the medical marijuana ban um which as a globe as a whole I think

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I'm okay with. It's the rights, the land rights of the existing um people, the existing businesses that we have in our city. And I'm embarrassed that it took weeks and

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weeks to even get some action from our um city attorney to reach out and that she didn't pick up on the fact that the mayor said, "Would the two of you Uh, and it just gets ignored.

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And I've got so many things that just get ignored. And you I just can't sit and just let it all keep going. Um, something is broken in our system. Uh, with that, I can't reach out to our attorney because I have no confidence in

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her to talk to her about things that are important for me to do my role. So, I I I keep getting frustrated every meeting and I didn't plan to even really talk through this. So, I'm not I'm

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speaking from uh from the heart, so to say. But, uh we're we're we're embarrassing ourselves. We're digging ourselves gra our graves. And the only thing that's benefiting is billable hours to our attorney. And

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that's that's taxpayer money and that's a concern um that we can't just look look away from. And uh I think we have to do something about it. I think uh there's been discussions

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about uh opening up that position and taking a look at it and and I think more than ever where I am and what I heard tonight I don't see it getting better. It's getting worse and worse and worse. Um,

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and uh I'm not sure who it was who brought it up before, but I think it's time for us to take a look at the other options that we have uh for a city attorney uh the in-house option um

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and start doing something and and acting. It's it's a tough tough decision. Uh I don't I don't deny that, but it's time it's time for action. I don't know how the rest of you feel, but it's time for action. We're growing.

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We've gone from collegic to the pros now. And um we're not we're not getting the right representation. I have no confidence. um we're getting wrong information. We're

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getting misled and I think that our city manager's position has really become um weaponized political turned into a political weapon. So those those are my feelings. That's the way I see it from my uh from my seat. And uh

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I don't see any anything negative for our city if we don't lift that position, improve it. um and bring a higher level of of qualifications and uh manage some of the costs.

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>> Well, I uh you know, I kind of brought brought it up earlier. Um I I I believe I truly believe we need somebody with a great deal of land use experience to help us guide us through all these all these things to give us the most

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challenges. I don't know about you other commissioners, but the the land use annexations, the zoning are the things that I think challenge us the most. We need we need somebody with a tremendous amount of experience and someone willing to find solutions to what the commission

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is asking for and the managing of the financial responsibilities that we have to our taxpayers with with our city taxpayer money. and um we're spending more money than

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we've ever spent and not not not getting anywhere. I have no confidence. I cannot confide in our attorney. I have to go out and confine a private attorney, pay for it. That's that's not how that's not how it's

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supposed to work. That's not what we were put in place to do. So, like all good things, sometimes change is good. And uh I think I think it's time.

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>> Yeah. I um I sit in this seat and I can say from where I sit, I have full confidence in our attorney. Um, everyone's in entitled to their opinion. Uh, when I call and uh has information

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that I need, I get it. Uh, I'm not afraid to call and she's never been afraid to answer. Uh, I can't think of of any instance where a decision that she has has jeopardized

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the city. Now granted, she and I have had conversation about slow response and she acknowledges that because she's got a lot going on. We're a growing city, >> but I don't agree. Um

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uh I I I think um you know when it comes to land use uh we have a land use attorney uh own on own on own retainer if I'm not mistaken uh to contact if we want someone just

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for land use then we're going to need someone else to handle other stuff. So, um that's where I I sit on that. >> Now, going on to um >> sorry, >> other things that I have, we have graduation tomorrow. Uh starts, I

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believe, 7:30 and um and I have to say that the the Lady Panthers uh tomorrow at 4:00 uh unless you wanted >> Okay, never mind. It's okay. just just

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baby panthers and they're great. Um so we'll do that. It's fine. >> Uh I want to say and I'll let Gary do that. Um last week uh some of attended uh the first responders event at Win One

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Ministries and I just want to thank the chief and and uh Win One, Pastor Renee for an outstanding u uh event. the sheriff showed up and uh he was recognized as well. So uh no great

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things are happening in our city. So >> well I was a little confused on that when one I had a message or email that said it was cancelled >> and and that's what happened on my part and um it and I don't know what

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happened. I think they had I I think there was a notification that went out for that Friday as well. >> When I cancelled So that may have been the one that cancelled. >> Okay. >> Madam Madame Mayor, I I uh asked the

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other commissioners if they had a thought. Uh, I I appreciate the deflection and moving uh to discount what I said, but um this matter with the uh attorney is a good opportunity for us

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to look forward to widening our resources for the betterment of the city. Um, I think the option to look at an in-house attorney that uh I think uh Vice Mayor Ashcraft brought up is a

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great alternative as well. Um, and uh I'd like to hear um and and see if we uh have any uh other input on this issue before I'm

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done. I still have some more other couple issues on my uh shared time, >> but just just for >> There you go again. >> I I didn't respond until the mayor uh recognized me. So, I'm sure the mayor thought you were done as well.

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>> So, would you like to finish? >> So, I Yeah, I mean, that's that's where I am on that. I I'd like to uh um of course I have no experience in the process of of receing a city attorney um

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but um I think that uh and I have no confidence in what her answer would be for that. So I would believe that um we should all consider that and that we should have a uh um discussion continuing discussion about

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this very very important matter. Um and um give some d give some direction if any to how we would act with that. Um, so do do we have a land use attorney on

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retainer? >> Yes. >> Derek. >> Derek. >> Who? >> Derek Bruce. >> I mean, most of our whole meetings are land use stuff. I >> was going to say so I I I agree. >> Why isn't he Why isn't he here then?

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but it doesn't it doesn't deal with the um with so many of the other issues and and I don't want to sit here and speak ill will uh

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change is good it's positive um and uh our costs are out of control and uh these things address it if we have an in-house attorney. We're going to get a

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heck of a bang for our buck, probably double the hours. Um, and we need to see what what's what's uh what's out there. So, I have no confidence in in in in our attorney. I'm thankful for the time that

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she's given. I'm very thankful for Bo and Schroth as a as a firm. I think they're a phenomenal firm. Uh but the fit here is is is long past its time and uh I would like us to um see if there's a

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consensus to move forward in a transition. >> Well, I mean, think about it. Think about it for a second. What part of all of our agendas are land use issues? >> A substantial part. So why why don't we

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have a land use attorney here? I'm I'm just I I I find >> And why are we not counseledled to that? Because it's not financially benefit. It's it's and I don't want to get into we're already farther in than I want to

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into pointing and doing, you know, going down the negative. I think it's just time for us to move on and uh transition. take a period, 30 days, transition either into

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an interim uh into this land use uh attorney if that's what you want as an intram and uh investigate the in-house versus even a another outsourced um

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we've got problems. We've got problems in the agreement. We have a lot of problems and I don't really want to go exposing and throwing them all out and and I just think it's time. >> Who's next? You >> I just ask that this be put onto a

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future agenda like the next meeting where we can all talk about this. I'm not going to get into this tonight. There needs to be a lot more discussion on this. I'm not going to say I'm going to sit here and fire somebody tonight. We need to have a further discussion. It's on the agenda.

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>> So when we put it on an agenda, what do what do we what would be your expectation as to what we would do? Show reason why? >> I want to hear from everybody on this commission. I want to hear from staff her their dealings with the our attorney. Um I also want to know how

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much it's going to cost us to hire an outside attorney because it's not just hiring an attorney. You're going to have to hire a staff with that attorney. So, we can't fool ourselves. >> You mean an in-house? You said out. You meant an >> in-house. In house. >> We're going to have to hire staff for that in-house attorney. I want to know

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all the pros and cons and then I'll get into a discussion and we'll decide how we move forward. But at this point, I it needs to be on the agenda where everybody instus knows that it's coming. And I know you've been going on and on about it for months, but we need to go

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ahead and just put it on the agenda. let's get this over with because it's not good for this commission and it's not good for our citizens. So, I would ask that it be put on the next agenda if it can be and let's have that full discussion. >> Yeah. So, I I respect that that thought.

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Um I just want to be cautioned that we don't turn it into a a a mud fight and I I I fear that's what would come up. Um

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>> I have a question. Sometimes when there's an employee discussion, we have a close meeting. Is that is this what we should be doing? >> This is not an employee. This is a vendor. For all practical purposes, it's an outside contract. Same thing with

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Glemen. Same thing with Levy. It's an outside vendor, right? >> It's an outside vendor. It's not an employee. >> I see her as an employee. >> You see her as an employee >> to us? Yes. >> A maybe we owe her some benefits that

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she doesn't have. >> Oh, I mean I'm in a very difficult position. I can't really defend myself here. Um and it's a a delicate discussion and obviously I you know it is um

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the commission decides who they'd like as representation um for city attorney. So I I yeah I can't even explain components of the land use concerns without bringing in aspects of um of of the city

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that would you know possibly hurt or tarnish people. And I don't want to do that. It's not it's not my role. And I also will not be speaking negatively about anyone on the commission or how they feel. >> If that you're pointing that at me, bring it on. I have no problem. Bring it

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on. I'm not bringing No, you're alluding to it. >> I'm saying I can't speak to it. >> She's alluding to that. >> It could be me for all she >> So yeah, bring it on. >> Well, we'll stop that at this point. And did you have any other things, Commissioner, >> that you want to discuss other than

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this? >> I'm going to let I'm going to defer to to Gary about uh the Lady Panthers and let him talk about that. That's all I have. I appreciate all the work our staff puts in. Um, as I have said many

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years now, they are truly the face of the city of Eustace and and I appreciate all that they do. >> I wasn't done. I had one more thing. Um, as on a sadder note, which you don't think we can get any sadder than than what I was just spoken about, and I

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thought you would bring it up, Michael, but Tim, >> I just can't. >> You can't. Yeah. So, I'm not really sure what our city is doing or not doing, but we sit up here and we say that we've lost an iconic,

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unfortunately, more times than I would like to just in my short term here so far. But the loss of Tim Totten is something we can't just look away from. The the the the things that that guy has

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done for our community and in behind the scenes is astronomical. We've got to do something to honor that guy and to honor his legacy. at 50 years old. Um,

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we got to do something. We've got to honor him in some way. Um, name a street after him. I, you know, I didn't think just, you get what I'm trying to say. We got to do something for this. Um,

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this guy always opened his heart to everybody. anything I've ever said to him about anybody, he was the first one to go there. I mean, I can go on and do the stuff about him, but I think you all feel the same way. And I just wanted to have a little bit of a discussion there.

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Their their ceremony's coming up >> sixth. >> The 6th. So, when's our first meeting in June? >> Fourth. >> Okay. So, it's two days before. We don't really have much time to talk about it. So, we really got to have some idea. I I really didn't talk to Rick about it.

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He's been so busy doing other great things. But >> we do have something in the works. Um something small. Um we're we're going to install a bench out of Fair Park kind of off to the band shell overlooking the water. Um that was a request.

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>> A band shell >> from a bench bench. Oh, I was going to say >> and we'll put some some uh a little plaque um with the discussion to Tim and we're working with his friend family on that. >> Um I am open to ideas. I can reach out

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to you all um to see if there's anything else that we can do. Um >> can we do a proclamation like we did with Aaron? >> Oh should be the minimum. Yeah. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> I want I think he deserves something more than that. I think the Amazing Race

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should have his name attached to it. >> The Amazing Race. >> Oh, we've discussed that that in perpetuity. We'll keep that. >> And I heard that the TED X uh the attorney in Mount Dora wants to take it and take it out of >> Eustace.

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>> He already has. >> So, we just need someone to >> franchise one here again. >> How do we do that? Can we >> He's got it. Can we as a city, I'm not sure what the timeline is. Do we have to

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submit an application to TEDex to cut out or do we have an opportunity to do that? Can somebody reach out? >> Would be willing to do it? That's a >> Yeah, unfortunately. >> Yeah. Unfortunately,

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it's looking up out of her glasses. Do we take it in house? Um, >> do you know how many hits? millions and millions and millions of hit. It's almost like an economic tool. >> But how how could he the Mounturora person get it?

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>> It's a franchise money. >> So he took he could take hours over >> Did they sell it to him? >> I don't know. I think I >> Or Huh? >> I think they did. I think that was a thing before. I'm not >> Oh, that's terrible. >> Do you mind if I give you a quick answer

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of what I'm aware of? Miranda Burrow's deputy city manager. the person that is organizing it now. My understanding is that it's still TEDex Eustace and that it will still be here, but I can certainly get clarification on that, but that's the last I have heard and it's actually in our budget for next year to

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continue supporting the event. So, I do believe it is still TEDex Eustace and here, but I will absolutely confirm that. >> Yeah, I think you got it the same time I did over the weekend. >> So, he wants to move it to to Mount Dora. >> So, yeah. Um, that's that's what they want to do. And and every time we get

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something good going, they want to come take it away. Um, every good business we had going in downtown, they come take it away. Steamrollers, they come take it away. Um, we got to start, you know,

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we got to start defending and and getting aggressive in protecting what we have, incentivizing. I I hear through the past businesses are responsible to make their own success. I think they are, but we're responsible to set a

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foundation for them, to position them for success. I had a discussion with Rick and with Al about looking at our gateways and our downtown grants. I don't think it's being utilized. Uh we have some big people interested uh in

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coming to downtown. We met with one um this week and and Rick joined us and they're looking for there's no way to hide that. They're looking for some little incentive to push them over and it might not be a lot but is there a

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value to doing that as a commission. We have to decide or and and staff or whatever whoever really knows uh economic development. The gateway helps the existing. Love it.

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Is there something we should be doing to attract these the right people in? You know, the bigger they are, the more successful they are, for lack of better words, the more they want. The more they want to because other people are willing to date them. I mean, we lost steamrollers because they gave them a

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parking lot and they and they gave them all these little benefit stuff. So, as we're growing now and as we're getting ready to expand and I think the downtown's going to blow up, we want the right people there and we want to keep them here. We don't want to graduate

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them to other municipalities and municipalities outside apparently I'm learning from my real estate side is you go see what somebody else is doing and you steal it from them and you undercut them because we've made our position. So, you give them it's kind of like stealing an employee. you give them a

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dollar extra, they go there. So, we we gota we got to look at that and we need to modify and I think Rick was open to talking that and I'm thankful and Al was too uh of some programs for incoming

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uh businesses and like the county did I talked with Kathleen Da at the county she put provisions in there which was what happened with Kroger where if they leave they got to repay that. So they don't get to come in here, open up for a short period or for two, three, four years and then move to another

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municipality after they took our incentives to get where they are. So there's got to be hooks in there, too, uh to make sure that they Kroger's writing a check for millions back to the county for their incentive. So as we're growing and we're getting to be into the

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pros, I call it from from Collegic, um we got to deal with that. As we're approaching into budget, we got to we got to look at that. And I know I know Rick is already kind of looking at that, but I think it has to be put in front of you guys because we're the ones who approve the budget. So, I want to plant

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that seed um in how we tweak the one gateway to uh what are we calling the the inside the business incentive the business whatever we did for stages or for chairs or for any of those. Um

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we're in a bad economic turn. I don't know how bad it'll go. Nobody really knows, but we still got to grow uh and fill these places up. So, I think we need to either I don't know, Rick, do we put that on an agenda and talk about it

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the way Michael was saying we do the other stuff or do we just work on it with staff and try to come back, let you guys handle it? >> I mean, wouldn't wouldn't that be um wouldn't that come up under budget since we're all we're getting ready to go? >> Yeah, but we need a plan before we approve a budget.

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>> Yeah, let Al and myself work on that. Um, and then we'll bring something to you because we will need to bring that in front of you because it it would impact the budget. >> So, but we've got some ideas. We just need to to kind of lay it out a little bit, lay that groundwork, bring it to

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you, and then from there see where we take it as a group, what we do, and make sure we're all on the same page. But I think we've got some good ideas and we had a good meeting and a lot of it kind of opened my eyes too to to what we need. I think there's some

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opportunities here for us. >> So we have two new agenda items >> as I'm hearing it. >> That is what I'm asking for. Yes. >> Well, Commissioner Holland asked for that

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other one. I I would prefer that we deal with it now, but I guess uh um >> Well, any more comments from anybody? >> Do you have any more? You want to talk about the >> Oh, yeah. Just just um I I need a couple

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updates on um Lakeshore Drive number one. Um, so the river the hill trail river the hills trails actually has started construction. Where are we at on our trails both internal I and I don't you can email me these and email everybody

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if you want. I've actually you know I actually kind of like that idea >> so we can save time. >> Sure. >> Okay. So if we can find out where we are with our internal trails as well as talks on the regional trail um because they are definitely underway. Um, and

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then lastly for me, um, I was at the girls softball game today. That's why I got all the sun. They played wonderful. They they beat Wakula 14-7. So, they are in the state championship for tomorrow. Uh, they'll play at 4:00

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against Coral Springs Charter School. That's at the Boomba Sports Complex. >> Yeah. Soldier uh Soldier Creek Park. um address is 2400 State Route 19 in

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Longwood. These girls, they this is their third year in a row going here. They are wonderful ambassadors for our city and they are really good. So, unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to make it tomorrow, but uh let's all wish them well. And let me say thank you to each one of you for helping them get

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them there. They um they really appreciated support from each one of us. So, thank you for that. That's it. >> Okay, my turn. I'm just going to tell you how um effective and what a good uh meeting we had with our adviserss from

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American Bloom. They were here for two days last week and they were really impressed with the beautiful landscaping and all the potted uh flowers throughout the uh downtown and we were really blessed because they the two of them who

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came were horiculture. So, they appreciated what has been done by Tim and um all the landscaping, the flowers, they really appreciated it. And one of them commented that he'd like to start a new category to recognize um what he

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called popping potted plants. So, um that he's going to take that back. So, we we really had a good visit with them and and uh I look forward to getting the report that they'll provide to us. And I'd like to thank Michelle, Marissa,

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Tim, Bryce, and an for all the work that they did in helping to um get them on tours and getting them the information that they needed. It was a great visit thanks to them. And um I think that's about all that I have. We've gone long

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enough, but I I um appreciate all the effort, the support that you commissioners have provided for users in Bloom. and um we're going places and the things are so looking good around town and I hope everybody appreciates it. So with that I'm done.

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Anything else for the go? Okay, then this meeting is adjourned.