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has remained continuously posted as required under the statute. With adequate notice having been given, the burough clerk is directed to include this statement in the minutes of this meeting. Allison, would I please have a roll call? >> Council members call. Miss Selli, >> yes. Griffin, >> yes. Yes.
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> We have administrator B for attorneys so chief McGovern director of finance Britain engineer director of CPW state and parks director.
>> Great. Um we're going to start off tonight with a uh with a proclamation here. Um, before I bring this gentleman up, I want to point out like a lot of living in a small town like this is the
moments, you know, the moments in your own home, the moments on your property, the moments with your friends and neighbors. And I'm I'm going to give you some insight to some moments that I've had over the past 16 years where I've
been living in town. Um, often times me and my wife obviously will be driving around town whether, you know, we're on the other side of town, we're in another state, we come home and often times you see the DPW trucks
parked all over town, all over town. And every single time, it actually became uh sort of a joke with me and my wife. I would say before we got close enough to the truck, I say, "Oh, it's got to be Marty." And every single time it was
Marty, he was everywhere. And he was everywhere since January 1996. And that's just an incredible time and amount of service that you've provided to the residents of the burrow. And I couldn't be prouder to be the person standing here today to read this
proclamation. Come on up, Marty. This proclamation amends Marty Koy Department of Public Works laborer 30 years of service. Whereas in January 1996, Marty Koy was hired by the Bureau of Fair Haven as a laborer for the
Department of Public Works. And whereas after three and a half decades of public service, Marty has announced his retirement from the Department of Public Works effective August 1st, 2026. And whereas Marty has selflessly served
the residents of the Burough Fair Haven for 30 years and has been part of the daily operations, working through all weather conditions to maintain our roadways, ensure that daily tasks were completed to preserve the safety, beauty, and infrastructure of our
community. And whereas his time as a volunteer with the Fairan Fire Company since November of 1989, serving as fire chief in 2003 and fire police captain for multiple consecutive years, should also be recognized and
commended. And whereas he is known as the familiar face in Fair Haven and is thanked for making Fair Haven a great place to live and work. Now therefore, be it proclaimed that I, Josh Halpern, mayor of the Burough Fair Haven, along with the Burough Council, do hereby
extend our deepest appreciation and gratitude to Marty Koi for his outstanding career in public service. We wish him a long, healthy, and happy retirement filled with time to enjoy family, friends, and personal pursuits.
Marty's got to be there every want to say I got a lot of friends, a lot of family here and a lot of people that I met over the years and I'd like to thank the Baron Council and all of you for allowing me to do that service 30 years. All right. I appreciate it.
Thank you very much. Just real quick, um, I met Marty because of Rich Bister over there. There's Rich Bister walked in to be a future fireman. God, 33, 34 years ago. And when I came here as a bur administrator that I was invited to the first fireman's dinner and I brought my future fireman badge
that was 32 years old at that time and I hold up, I said, "Marty, you gave this to you 32 years ago." So, and I said, "You're not getting it back." And you're not getting it back. I'm not getting it back. I'm still keeping it. I'll bring the this year's dinner. But one thing I do want to give Marty as a token appreciation is the Fair Haven Seal pin.
He gave me the badge 34 years ago. I want to give the Fair Haven Seal pin today. So, Marty, this is for me. shake your hand. I don't know why. Thank you again. All right. Do you have a workshop session tonight? Uh, Eagle Scout
Project. Uh, cigarette index. >> Everybody. >> Awesome. Are you speaking over? Yeah, she was supposed to come, but I can skip on it. >> Okay. Um, so Cret is looking to help to revamp the concession stand uh kitchen.
So, we originally got the request back in the winter and um it was approved by the recreation committee, myself, Nick Porchinsky, Dave Carl, Park Foreman, uh we met her out there and we went over the project. It includes different
things like painting the floors, um doing some different uh hooks and different storage components, things like that. So, we're certainly in favor of the project. Um and it's certainly going to be a big help coming up for the the Rex soccer season, which starts in
September. So, her game plan as far as timeline is to get in there at the end of August, which should take about a week or so. Um, and at that point we'll be able to review everything, make sure it's ready to go safety-wise, everything like that for the the soccer season. And
uh, that'll that'll be about it. >> I mean, I've worked in there and I think this it's great. I love all the ideas that she had. I think that especially having who to call if there's an issue in there is great and like the instructions of like if you just turn it over, >> right? And we have some old signs in
there that have just even like been written on Yeah. piece of paper. So, they're going to laminate those and we're going to put them in the correct locations and things like that from a safety perspective just to make it a little bit more uh safe and functional. >> And any kind of organiz I I think it's a great idea. I'm very
appreciative that she came up with this as a project. I would just like to meet her to be vote on and I think that she should come here and talk to us and share her ideas with us. The um the only
thing I'd say is uh you mentioned you wanted this for the beginning of the soccer season. >> So timelinewise what worked for her, she was traveling a little bit this uh this summer and had wanted to get it done before the fall. So it would be in that time it went in in late August.
>> We started the meeting August 13th. >> Yes. >> Would it be possible to see if she can come? >> Yeah, we can we can reach out. She was planning on coming tonight. I'm not sure what happened, but um >> is that part isn't that kind of part of the Eagle Scout kind of process
>> traditionally? Yeah, they they come and and um part of speaking to a >> Yeah, our other body. >> Yeah, I I think that's the other way I do. >> They're um the orary cost estimate, they're fundraising the amounts and that's going going to be put towards the
materials. >> Exactly. Yeah. So, uh, there's a combination of some different funds that she's going she's going to be getting selling a lot of her dad's tools and things like that. Um, I'm guessing she has her dad's permission for that, but >> said that she specifically thought, >> yeah, that's where that's going to come from. And, uh, we'll review all the
paint types and things like that ahead of time. >> And for signage, it's the pre-approved scout signage that would be used if if they put a sign up for the project. >> Yeah. So, there's no uh call out specifically for that, but if there is, then then we would we would bring that up and go go ahead with uh the
pre-approved scout signage. >> Okay. So, how are we moving toward here? >> I would just say like >> you want them on the 13th. >> Yeah. >> I mean, she could zoom it too if she had to but
>> Okay. So, so let's defer to the 13th. If she shows up tonight, then we'll bring it back on to the agenda. All right. >> If not, then we'll we'll do third. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I oppose.
>> Thank you. Thank you, DJ. Next up, bond ordinance for new fire truck. >> Yes. >> Thank you guys. I appreciate the mayor, council people. Really appreciate you guys having us uh represent, you know, to the firehouse. Sorry.
Give a second for the TV. >> Yeah, they have all the packets, right? >> Thank you. Um, so this time last year, we were in a very similar meeting talking about the 1373 truck, the 1981 Paris Arrow, and we were asking your
support to get that repaired. I want to first say really appreciate that the burrow stepped up and helped us repair that truck. It was a lot of effort, a lot of back and forth and we got that truck up and running shortly after and it's been in service. Uh it's been great. Uh during that time we we
answered a lot of questions. We went through why does Fair Haven need three trucks? Uh you know we went through the whole uh process that we had during any type of incident where the first engine on do is the attack line. We get manpower there. We get water to the fire
from the tank. Second uh due truck is going to bring the ladder, more manpower, more tools and then also established water supply, a permanent water supply from the hydrant. Third dude in a large scale event is going to then give us a second water supply and
then boost us. So a lot of companies across New Jersey and Mammoth County, they all operate in a very similar fashion. They have a three truck configuration and you know we're back up and running fully fully powered. I'm here today though to talk about
long-term plans which is replacing that 1981 truck uh and asking the bureau to to help with the bonding and preparing for it. Uh so over this last year uh we we had the opportunity to go through a lot of prep. We uh worked with fire and safety. We speced out the entire truck.
We're able to go through the co-op to get the pricing. and I wanted to give you guys a quick update on where we're at and then what we need from uh the council and the mayor. Um so we took our 1372 truck uh it's another Pierce and we
basically took that as our baseline template. It's a great truck. It navigates through all these roads perfectly. We we're replacing another engine. So we said, "Hey, let's start with that base and just tweak it where we think that we can, you know, improve on it." So, it's pretty much the same to
the, you know, slight updates. You know, we made sure that it was NFPA uh compliant and then we added a few things to ensure that it works for us. Uh, but if you guys have a full spec, I won't go through the entire truck. Uh, but it's uh configured the same way all our trucks are configured. That's really
around muscle, memory, discipline. You know, it works for Fair Haven, but it also works for all the engineers and all the firefighters who operate in a very similar truck. So after working with them in the co-op as of right now the uh
the quote is 1.3 or 1 million329,48024 cents. Uh that quote is good until October. Um after that cos do another reup. It could be 5% be 10% be 20%. Uh we want to move on this quick because
there is a 48month lead time for a truck. So that investment that we did with the uh 1981 truck, it's serving well. So it's like, but is it going to last another 10 years? Probably not. It's going to, you know, by the time if we're able to get this approved and we get a production spot for uh the new
truck, four to five years. And the idea is that this 81 will serve out those four years. We'll retire it just in time for the new truck to come in. Uh but we do need to secure a production spot. Uh, and we do need to obviously, you know, get the PO and get the funding, uh, so
they can secure that spot. Um, I'll pause there, answer any questions. Uh, obviously there's a lot of detailed in this packet. I didn't want to go through it all for you. A lot of it's a duplicate of what we went over last year, but, uh, happy to answer any questions. >> What's
what's useful life truck? >> Great question. So Fair Haven, obviously we're going to be pushing 45 years with this truck right now, but that's not the normal cycle. I would say, you know, we should be targeting 20 years to 20 to 30 years. Uh so with three a three truck
configuration, you should be thinking about every 10 years. Okay, one's retiring, we might be thinking about another one coming in. But if we can get 40 years out, we get 40 years. Uh, and there's, you know, [clears throat] I think we assess that as you run around
the 20-y year mark. Uh, but yeah, 1981 coming up on 45. This one is just about done. The other trucks, uh, we had a 2008 and a 2016. >> Uh, refresh my memory from our conversation, this is not the truck that
would go up three stories. That that would be the next truck that we would need to replace if we were to go without. >> Very good point. Uh so with some of these buildings that are becoming a little larger, a little taller, some even the residential homes uh it has been something the truck committee at
the firehouse has discussed. Uh and at this point we feel it's more important to replace the engine. Uh basically like forlike replacement, but uh to the mayor's point, the next truck is very likely going to be a ladder. Uh with that though comes, you know, obviously a different price tag, a lot of training.
I think the timeline for us to properly spec out a truck uh that we've never actually had in Fair Haven before, that's going to be a much, you know, longerterm project, but definitely in our our horizon. I would say over the next 5 10 years, we would be starting to think about, okay, what does that look
like? Kevin, I'm sure there's going to be more questions here for you, but I do want to uh fully form another category of this decision. I don't know, Chris, if you want Nancy or or you to talk about how um it potentially could be paid for for a brand. >> Yeah, why don't we let them finish their presentation, then we'll go to financing
after that. >> Okay, sounds good. >> Yeah. Uh any other questions I can help answer? >> That was my question. >> Okay. >> Okay. Do you get anything for the uh truck that we would be replacing? Any rebates credit? >> Another good question. Unfortunately, there's not a big market for secondary trucks. Uh you might be able to get 2
3,000 for it. I mean, it's it's a far cry from it, but chances are you're not going to get another department that's going to purchase that. It won't be NFBA standards. You might get a, you know, private entity that wants to turn it into some type of private business. Uh, but uh or it would go most likely to to
the fire truck museum. Um, but yeah, there's not unfortunately not a big aftermarket for older trucks like that. >> So, just follow what the mayor was. So, is it uh this truck would be a ladder or the next one? >> The next one. This truck would be an engine and it would be pretty much a replica of what we have right now, our
first new truck. >> Um, and then, you know, we keep basically same configuration, but is >> Yep. >> Sorry. Does it come with a warranty for parts when we get it or it's, you know? >> Yes. So, uh, there are like uh warranty that's all speced out for us when we we
do the final purchase and we get the final number together. Uh, that's all part of the fire and safety uh, leazison that we work with. So, they'll have a full warranty on parts, uh, engine, the pump. Uh, but that's something that, uh, we can get the the specifics on each,
like a new vehicle, certain parts are going to have a longer warranty than others. >> Got it. Yeah, I think financial press. >> Yep. Nancy, >> there you are.
>> We have you guys have specific questions or you'll make a basically I have a um basic understanding for my conversation today, but just for the public and for everyone up here from a detailed perspective, how would we pay for this?
Okay. So, essentially, we're going to pay for this by reappropriating excess funds from other projects. Uh we do not need to go out for bond. I spoke with Megan Bennett, our bond uh council this morning, and she agrees this is possible. I do have a breakdown um of I
what I worked up a budget for was 1.425 in case there's additional costs or I didn't want to go right to the penny. Um so, I do have a breakdown if anybody would like this. Do you want me to read the breakdown? let you know. >> Do you have like copies of it? >> I have a copy, but I'm more than happy to give it to you.
>> Yeah, we we could go over real quick which ones we >> just go over quickly. So, um ordinance 2017, sorry. Ordinance 2017, um we have $11,19829
left over from the acquisition of a dump of a dump truck. Uh there is same ordinance 68.50 50 and section 20 swuff costs. And I can send this I see everybody writing. I can send this to you guys. It's in a spread. It's in a spreadsheet. So >> And this is to be clear. This is cash
that we have. >> This is capital. >> Capital. So are we talking about the authorization or the cash? >> No, we actually have this. We don't need to we'll we'll need an ordinance to reappropriate it. And I've already talked to Megan about that. >> But we're not going out for any
additional debt. >> It's money that money that's sitting that the projects are finished >> or parts of them are finished and other pieces aren't aren't needed. So this is funds that we actually have correct that are excess >> and it's not coming out of our current
budget or >> this is all capital >> this is all capital these are all capital ordinances so again 201707 we got the 11,1986850 from soft costs um then we have yes soft
costs can can be reappropriated I did ask that question just to confirm 2018 um we have 5296 that was from the original ordinance for the purchase of a build of a building many many years ago 2018. We canled the
majority of the appropriation but 52996 was part of the down payment and it's just been sitting there. So really that didn't have a project. Um same ordinance but for other items the we're using $178,657
of soft costs again. So, just well, I'll continue and then I'll comment again. 2019-11, uh, we acquired a garbage truck. There was $12,416 left from that. Again, 201911, uh,
section 20 soft cost 42679. There's pennies. I'm not really getting into those. Uh, 2020-15. So that was the ordinance for the original ordinance for facilities BPW uh PD and Bick Hall. So there are funds
remaining for Bick Hall, but there is a large amount of soft cost funds for that project that big hall will not take. So we're taking $700,000 from that. >> Can you explain what that means? Why won't they call take those? >> Because because we've already appropriate, we already hired the Goldstein group to put together the
plans. So we already knew what that cost was going to be. Okay. So there's which was I mean there's a fraction of that. Um so there's there's no there's no further professionals that we'll need for that and soft cost would be for professionals. So not for hard cost as far as building or anything like that. >> Yeah. So there's funds set aside for the
projects. >> Great. >> This is solely soft cost. It can only be used for professionals. >> Okay. >> And we paid for all our profession that project. >> We have that appropriated already. Um 202210 acquisition of front loader.
There was $5,83 left over 20 and the last one 202317. This was the second um facilities ordinance. This is also soft cost $415,119 and there's some pennies in there. So
the reason there's usually there there's so much you're hearing so much soft cost is because you just don't know what kind of professionals you're going to need for projects. It's also a way to to put money that you think you may need for the project, but you don't want to put
it in hard cost because you can't really move that around where soft soft costs can go to hard, hard cannot really be reappropriated easily. So that's why you're hearing a lot about soft cost funds being available. >> The the fire truck is going to show I
think and you remember our discussion when I found out it was fiveyear lead time eventually. That was to me it's like all right we we got to get a PO immediately. This is you know way too long. >> How does this get paid for though? We got to pay the full amount five years in advance or is this a
>> So that would be a question a discussion to have with the vendor. I I'm going to >> assume not to do >> you know what based on there were three installments I believe correct? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They they put together a payment schedule. Did you bring it with you
today Kevin? Um, not the exact payment schedule, but just an idea. >> There was a 50% upfront. Is it, you know, [clears throat] >> yeah, there was >> 30 33. >> Yeah, it was it was a little bit more. It was I don't have it in front of me. Um, but we had gone over there were
three installments um that were done through the project. >> I think it might have been 50% upfront first and then we divided the other two payments after that. >> But there were three installments in the payment plan. >> So 50 25. Yes, roughly or 30, you know.
>> And and and I think you also mentioned there's only one or two manufacturers that even are in this business. Do I have that right or no? There's a lot of them. >> Um for persists, there's there in this region, yeah, there's not many. Um but uh there's other manufacturers, other
other but through the co-op. Yeah, this they they negotiate all the price. Uh so there is the you know from a competitor standpoint there isn't anything that's out there other than we would have to go through the co-op. >> So so through the co-op this may be the question is there any protection to us five years is a long time with the
company going out of business or anything like that and no >> uh the initial PO though is all they need to secure a production spot for us. So they don't actually need payment uh upfront. It's the purchase order. they can lock in a time for us and say,
"Okay, we're going to get you into production starting this date." And then that four year, five year clock starts ticking, but then during that time would be the installments as they make progress throughout the truck. >> And and just to calm your concern, not that it's going to change. I mean,
Pierce is one of the oldest manufacturers of firet trucks out there, but there's been a lot of Not to say there's other companies have gone out of business, too, but Pierce has been around for a long time. So, it's not >> So is Chrysler. >> This is true. >> Yeah. >> All right. specific. >> There you go. >> I have I have a question. So, um you
know, we had put out for federal funding or we had put an application in for federal funding. I know that there's a chance we won't get it, but what would happen if we did get some? But this is community projects funding. If we were to get that by some miracle, could we
reappropriate this money or once it's encumbered like how would that affect that? >> No. If it it would just So, this would be a brand new ordinance. So, an ordinance does require, you know, the regular two meetings >> before we can process purchase order. Um, but it's it's just like a regular
ordinance. So, it's going to move the funds from from the ordinances they're currently in, put them in the one bucket of a new ordinance, and it that new ordinance will be treated the same as current ordinances. So, when the truck is purchased, everything's finalized, we're done with that project. Those
funds can then be reappropriated. >> Okay. So we did >> maybe fingers crossed we got that money that we could Okay. >> Yes. >> I mean I'm obviously supporting this either. So happy that we're not having to go out for this. >> So >> does it cover uh I mean it's 1.3 is it
the price and contingency or is it like we >> that actually has built-in contingencies? Okay. Plus equipping. So, we're going to try to repurpose as much as we can off the old truck, but that to had it, you know, with new hose, tools, all of that's included in that quote.
So, we had them actually spec out that as well. >> Today's dollars stays in tomorrow's >> Yes. And that's that's a very good question. And that's they incorporated a x percentage of what? Yeah. what some of that equipment might go up for but it's
figured you know anywhere from 2 to 5% increase but that's accounted for >> though I think the question would be would we come back to the floor to ask for more funds if uh we're missing equipment >> we built that in so we wouldn't have to do that
>> um is different bucket of money for what if the current um truck goes down again needs another repair is that different or are we pulling from the bucket of money that we would put towards that >> no this this bucket It would the ordinance would be specific for the purchase of a vehicle of of the truck.
It would not be available for maintenance or repair of any other vehicle. So depending on the cost of the repair, if it's below and doesn't meet capital standards, then it's got to come out of the budget. I >> I think that was my question. So right now, if we weren't to put an appeal for
a truck, truck broke down and made $200,000, we could pull from basically the bucket of money you're talking about. Um, >> but now we're going to appropriate it to buy the new truck. So, will we have to bond if we have another large capital expense in those five years?
>> So, there's additional funds that we could possibly pull from. >> Yes. >> Yes. If needed >> over and above this. >> Okay. >> Is there a way to expedite getting the truck made if the other traffic were to or No, it's five years. four years with
maybe the, you know, underneath that, but they're quoting the most conservative. So, 48 months is what they're they're quoting right now, but it could come in earlier. I I don't think there's any way we're going to be able to expedite it. Uh just getting a production time slot is difficult. So,
it's but we can ask definitely because they, you know, technology changes, they may be able to push stuff out much quicker uh at some point. So, >> but the 48's worst case scenario build. Exactly. Yeah. >> I I mean, >> just for my We have to support this. I
want to support this. It's necessary for our community. We We've said it a thousand times. I hope you guys know how much the entire community appreciates everything that you do. Um and you have to know that you have the right equipment behind you, uh supporting that
supporting that mission. So, um I wholeheartedly supported. What do you What do you need from us, Allison? anything tonight? >> I'll just do that. Is there anything we need to do with the HGAC like advertise resolution like we had done in the past?
>> Well, so we'll go through the the proper like the regular ordinance. >> Um, >> okay. >> Yeah. >> That we would normally do, but so I need approval to >> I just need something stating that I can >> there's agreement to reappropriate these
excess funds and >> start the ordinance. motion like a motion that we authorize our CFO to reappropriate these funds for the fire truck. >> And does that get it on to our next meeting? >> Well, so I have to make sure I have the
ordinance. Yeah. >> Um which I don't see being a problem because it's, you know, 3 weeks from now. >> Just caveat there. >> Alison, may I please have a roll call? Oh, sorry. She's not listening. >> Nancy, who spoke with Megan, so she's not >> I spoke with Megan today. Good.
>> Second. Thank you. >> Uh Alison, may I please have a roll call? >> Council members. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Thanks. >> Thank you so much. Thank you.
>> All right. Uh next up, uh supplement burough code chapter 7 parking on Oxford Avenue, Cambridge Avenue, Princeton Road, Mucker Drive, and Harvard Road. Uh the way I'd like to approach this if everyone's all right if I don't know
Chief if you can talk about um what's in the proposed >> ordinance and then um ask you guys up here if you'd rather hear public comment first or if you want to discuss for that's
>> yeah you know as you know I've been trying to work with RVR now for four years um and the residents have come many times to try to find a solution, right? We tried to work with different solutions and uh recently we came up this one for parking. So, there's a
couple options that we came up with and uh talked some people talking to some council people with the mayor. You think this is the best option, the three-hour limit parking that would uh take care of probably 90% of the school parking, right? have student parking and it would
be the least intrusive on the residents other than having a ordinance where you can't park from 7:30 to 8:30 which then if you're there you violated where you have three hour you have some leeway you have some time to move your car so I feel that would be the best solution uh also there was concern about you know
drop off and pickup right but I also believe that if less cars are parked there it would keep people if they're pick people are fully able to pick up their kids there that is true but um they would be double parked because there'd be room on the street they could pull over and wait for the kids. Uh there also is a state code that for
idling. So there's some concern about idling. We could always look at that. Uh we had a concern on Popular Avenue, very similar type thing where we put people out there to tell people you got to share your car and stuff. Um we can look that becomes a problem. But I do think that if there's less cars parked there,
it will make it uh easier. Uh it won't make the tree as congested if the parents still pick their car their kids up there. you'll have the parents still pick up. That is true. That could still happen. But you won't have double park because you won't have all that traffic right there parked there. So, we're hoping this will work. Uh we've hit we
did down to Oxford to Hunting all of Ruckers, all of Cambridge, I believe. Might be to Princeton, I can't remember. And then same thing with Princeton and Harvard like halfway down. Uh I'd like to try that and let's see how it works. And because if we go much further then
they could start parking on hunting. They could start parking on hand. So, we have to see how it works. We're hoping that will change the behavior and force maybe get to school to do something with it and that maybe will fix the problem. >> Great. Thank you. Sh before the chief, anyone have any questions for Chief
before >> I have a couple random questions, but um how far apart do the signs have to be if that's in place? >> Well, I talked to our uh our municipal uh sorry, mipal prosecutor, right? He's the one that's going to defend this. He's the ones that have to prosecute this. He actually said if you have an
ordinance and you advertise it, especially do some warnings first and you let the school know, you let the residents know, you actually don't need signage. Um, I don't believe that's the best option. I believe that we we put some signage at the beginning of each street or, you know, in between saying no parking thing because there's no difference in an overnight parking
ordinance. Think about that. There's really no signs for that and it is an ordinance. He said to the orange, you don't really need signage. I just think we should, but we're going to do the absolute minimum we have to minimum we have. I did get a request that if you do put signage out, don't put it in the middle of the process. >> No, no. The the plan is to do the absolute minimum. We have to.
>> Okay. >> And and there's no way that we can prohibit uh dropping dropping off. >> Well, I mean, you could you could do anything. You have to do you have to have no stopping, no standing, but again, you have to do all the streets, almost all of them, and you have to be
there every time a car pulls up. That means that l lally a delivery truck can't park there uh to drop something off. A Uber can't park there. Residents can't park there at all. And that's why the three-hour parking really gives you a lot of leeway to try to because we don't also don't want to just go out there and write, you know, every
resident gets to move their car at 7:30, 8:30, right? Because that can happen. But this gives you a little leeway. You have some time to to uh adjust to. >> Another question. Just one more question and then we can and this might be a little bit more for you, but is there I I believe there is a
way to do carveouts for exemptions. So, and I'm not sure that we would want to do this, but I'd like to put this as part of the conversation. >> I can hear you. >> Okay. So, carveouts for exemptions like if you have three people coming to do work or if you have I guess they would have to get a permit, but um delivery
people >> Well, if you had the three hours that really shouldn't be a problem, you know, >> or but what if you're getting work done in your house? Well, I mean, I think that if the officers are reasonable about it and the people are reasonable and that's why three-hour has a lot of >> a lot of
>> the other ones that came up because I talked to another residents on one of the other streets, but like he's getting his driveway redone. >> So, what happens? Can they have an exemption for that? Can they call >> that in the ordinance, but you got to be careful because everything become an exception there, right? I get that. >> So, you got you got to be careful. I
mean, you could literally if you get your driveway first, it's all first of all, it's only going to correct this. It's only going to be school days 7 to three, I believe, is what the order says. Something like that. It's only be school days 7 to three, not weekends, not holidays. School still say school days. Um, but like in the overnight
parking, I think there's an exception, right? You call, I can't remember what it is, but again, even with overnight, everything becomes exception, right? So, I I don't think we should do that, but you could. But again, if you were having your trial week paid, we could park and move your car. >> It's three hours, right? You could right
around the corner. So, okay. >> But again, when we had the no parking uh uh you know, people called and said, "Hey, like get you park. It's okay." So, yes, we can we can take care of that. >> You guys, >> no, it's good. That's it. I'm glad I
would love to hear from them. >> All right. Just >> sure just one more any um if you've talked to neighboring towns like your peers any >> Yeah. >> Rubson has a Rubson has a similar Rsland had a similar problem or H and they
basically the same thing. >> Yeah. Did it curve the >> Yeah. Because you can't >> and then you know All right. And they >> Yeah, I was involved in it. We did two-hour parking in Rump Center. very similar. >> It it solved a lot of the issues with parks blocking, you know, driveways and
all that. >> How did the residents take I >> They were fine. Push back. >> This is probably more of a bridge question. You put them on the spot. But when that road is redesigned, like we could also line it and stripe it with parking spots that would take care of anybody parking. But I think if you if the if the students could have parked
there, I think 90% of it's going to not. But we could always look at uh putting parking like River. So it's an option >> and and I don't shame on me I don't know but [clears throat] aren't there signs aren't there some signs today um on those streets?
>> Uh it had it has no parking no stopping no standing certain hours maybe two or three houses back it goes back. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And legally you said we technically don't need them. >> Technically right the prosecutor had to publish it. They had to publish it but I think that we should at least get her
understand. you'd be keeping the no stopping standings with us and then it would be correct every hour after that. Yeah. And also just to add, we also did do twohour parking during certain um time. >> Yeah. [clears throat] And it kind of worked out. There really hasn't been
really residents kind of really hasn't been that much of a problem. And is that every day? I can't remember. Is that every day? Is it weekends? I don't remember what it is myself. I think it's summer, right? It was it's the summer. >> It worked out real well. There really hasn't been any issues. And I think it took care of the problem. No res complaint. I don't believe your res got
tickets. >> Um if it's all right with everyone on here, I'd like to go to a public comment to the um residents, but after they speak, we're going to come back into a workshop on this issue. So, I'd ask anyone in the public if you have a
public comment on an agenda item that's not this to please wait until the workshop is done on this and then we'll we're going to have another public comment after that if that makes sense. So, I'll open it up. Public comment on agenda items. Uh, I'll call it Cambridge
Road. Cambridge Avenue Burns, 21 Cambridge. How you guys doing? >> Good. How are you doing? Okay, thanks. Happy summer. >> Uh, Chief, thank you. Appreciate you putting all the time in on it. Um, after discussing it with quite a few of the neighbors, we were hoping obviously I heard what Chief said tonight about
something to do with pickup and drop off. I understand you're going to implement this initially first and we see how it goes. One suggestion I would make, the sweet spot is 7 to2. So it doesn't even need to go seven to three for that three-hour parking. Um just just a thought. Um if it doesn't move
forward, if it doesn't alleviate the issue, what do we think the next step is? Is there a timeline that we're looking at? Are we thinking September to Christmas we try the trial run and see how it goes? Maybe get feedback. >> Really put a time limit on now. We you can always come back and say it's not
working, you know. >> All right. I just it's just because obviously there's a lot of frustration on the street. It'll be four years September since I initially brought this to you guys. And you know I appreciate everyone trying to work hard on it but we're still pretty frustrated and we're and one of the reasons Ko it did take so we were really trying to work the school
and we we really kind of kept thinking that we're going to have a solution. >> They promised a few solutions so it kept getting like to that point and then it got brought back. So you that we were working on but we really thought we if we could get right that permit parking fixed and make the park lot bigger there
we wouldn't have the issue right here centers out of the problem. That's what we kept being told and it kept moving down. >> Yeah. For me that's the time is when the school changes their policy that I think I think it will magically go away. Um >> whether that ever is going to happen.
>> We have all we have. So you know we have all track of >> I'm well aware. I mean there's been Chris has been completely open to sharing sharing all the information with us and then sharing it with [clears throat] the street >> but again we're just a bit apprehensive because it's obviously >> but I think that something try it and let's see let's see how it goes.
>> Yeah, you know >> I know that there's some definitely some concern with not having a something to incorporate the pickup and drop off. Not just for the inconvenience of it but some of the folks here can tell you Joe can give you an example of what happened just at the end of the school year. you know, sprinkler heads being busted
again, kids damaging property, you know, offensive materials being written on cars. I mean, >> can I can I answer that? >> Yeah. So, almost everything you just said, I think, is something that probably happened with a student driver without their parent there. So, this
should eliminate >> if they're not those things. I'm not saying this is going to eliminate every person dropping off. I'd also like to say for the record that my biggest concern still in this situation beyond the fact that I represent our residents,
I'm concerned that there's parents dropping off students crossing a main street without any um crossing lines. I think, you know, and I'd even say if if we need to uh write a second memo, I would go ahead and do that again to make
sure that it's um profound and and the definitive where we stand on that safety issue. As far as your timeline, I agree with the chief. I don't think we can set a timeline, but we'll know. you know, if if if there's a point where um there's,
as a former council would say, an inflection point, right, >> where we need to act again and uh change things on the fly, we will or whoever's sitting up on this day will. That's, you know, that's what I think we all commit to when we take the oath of office. And
um you know, I'm just excited that we're going to >> get something moving. >> Get something >> and the plan will be to get that in before school starts in September. >> That's our plan. We may have to have a a special meeting based on the timeline to do that and we're committed to doing it if we have to. >> Is there any push towards possibly a
little extra over enforcement possibly for the first few weeks of school? >> Yeah, we have here speak to enforcement. >> Okay. All right. >> Can I just say a question just for avoidance of death since I'm new. I didn't participate in the last four years. [clears throat] Sure. >> If you're representing the street,
you're in favor of three-hour. Well, we were initially the street had consensus that we were in favor of a permit system, but it's been obviously shot down quite a few times. Um, dropped off a full detailed proposal to the board about about a month and a half, two months ago. So, that was the initial
hope. But again, this is a starting point. So, if we can if it if it fixes the problem, all the better, you know, but if it doesn't, then we have to revisit it. >> When you're there as a problem, then maybe. >> Sure. >> Colin, can I ask you a question? How how
is the consensus on that you guys can't or have to move your cars? >> People aren't super happy about it. That's another reason why I suggested till 2:00 because folks that do have student drivers from Rumson Rumson Fair Haven getting out of school will have that extra time when they get out of school to park their cars without you
know grant they're getting out at two anyways but just my >> Can you explain that because I'm I was kind of thinking that one because they can't really park after lunch like if when >> No, I'm not talking about I'm not talking about Redback Regional students. I'm talking about residents, the children, in-laws with extra cars. >> Yeah. So, it' be funny if we could
shorten this, but we can talk about that. >> But even if they arrived at 240. >> Yeah. It's not going to make that much of a difference. I'm just saying we don't necessarily need that extra hour till 3, >> but it wouldn't matter. >> But I'm also thinking but it would matter to our residents because then they would have more time to park there. So, I but we could talk about that. We
can narrow this time to like when they finish lunch because that's the only time that they'll come back and park, right? >> Yeah. What this is going to effectively do, it's going to stop it's going to stop students from from parking on the street >> from RBR. >> If you go to Tucson, like >> there's a few students, but yes. >> Yeah, you could actually
>> get there at 12 and >> yeah, >> you park is I mean again three hours. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay, I get that. >> Cool. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you guys. Appreciate your time. Thank you.
Latino 245 Cambridge Avenue. First of all, I want to thank the council for proposing that we have avail proposing a solution. Just some personal input. Um uh first of all, three hours. Um I think two hours would be better if we could somehow manage that. Um there are
students who do attend for half days. They they will be that allows them to park there. So two hours would probably alleviate that situation. Secondly, um the drop off which occurs now is far more concerning than I'm sorry,
the the pickups are far more concerning than the drop offs because we do have people parking there. And respectfully, there are no idling laws and no and parking regulations in effect in New Jersey, but that does not seem to deter
people from sitting there and idling for 20 minutes at a time, half an hour at a time. the window rolled out, the air conditioner not. Um, so those haven't been enforced now. So I'm not sure why we should expect that that would change
that would be any anything to deter uh people from extended parking during pickup hours. >> Well, so we we could look at like I said the island we could definitely take a look at that and try to enforce that as far as but they can still park there
though. I just guess they can just park >> right. But we have people on pickups with parking there and idling. I mean, that's the norm and parking four feet from the curb or >> Well, I think in front of the driveway. >> That's right. That's right. I think that will help because if you don't have all those cars parked there, then they they
should it should help them not block the driveway space because right now when they come there's nowhere else to park. So, they are blocking driveways. There are double parking. If you have less cars parked on the street, then they should be I think that's all conjecture. All I know is
right now their mindset is there's no idling. It doesn't deter anybody from parking and I excessively. Um I had one other point of course at my advanced age. I forgot what it was. Um I apologize. Oh about signage. I believe
you said no signage. No, >> that that does not I don't know how that >> not when I talked to uh municipal prosecutor he said that if you advertise it or you don't need to have signage I think we should put some signage out fair
>> the minimum the minimum signage that we need for open up >> okay >> and I have no I mean I have um I I I don't think the uh the reason I don't like the two-hour parking because it actually makes it harder on the residents and we're trying to make it as
easy to send the residents and have them not park there. So that's why we three hour, two hour that just makes it a little harder. We can go to 2:00. I don't really see a big issue with that. >> We we we even discussed 4 hour, but the problem with 4hour is we thought that
there are students that have the half days and they'd be able to park there the entire day. Um the the only thought I have on switching it to 2:00 is um depending on what time they come then they might be able to also park.
>> But if we change it to two hours, but my concern with two hours was that residents then have to >> reserve move their car. >> It's harder. >> So that's where kind of like then they have to move it at 9 versus 10. I don't know how many kids come half day that I mean you still got you definitely
could saw some people fart. I'm not saying you wouldn't but I don't know if a couple peer park would that be if we get rid of majority. So it's a living breathing ordinance like every other thing that we put in. If we put it in and we need to adjust it
up down sideways based on time that's what we'll do. I agree and I'm glad that we are finally on the books officially that there is a problem and that is being addressed and it's a for us as residents that's a very positive step and I thank you for that and as I say it
will we'll see how it goes and it may need to be modified going forward and I will say that in residents I plan to be vigilant and if it's three-hour parking I'm going to notice who parks at what time and if they're there four hours I'm going to call it in. I'm just saying it right now.
>> Call in and leave the enforcement. >> Okay. Thank you so much. I'm too bad. [clears throat] >> Kelly, 257 Cambridge. >> Just come up here, please. >> Um, so I am at the end of Cambridge
Avenue, right across from RBR. We have had signs parked in front of our house for I think it's three years, Joe. Is it three years? that basically say no parking from well signs have changed and we finally got it resolved. But we have
the sign. We have a single driveway. We have been dealing with this for three years. We run out there. We move our cars. We do everything. We still have people parked in front of our house. Still have parents coming and sitting there. Police have been awesome about
trying to drive by and warn them and all of that. I would just say to you, the pickup and drop off is the scariest situation I've ever seen at the end of our street. Please, please have something in the signage about pickup
and drop off. It is I I will move my I literally had contractors parked on my lawn to make sure we were not intruding on the police and having to get tickets. It is such a safety issue with what
happens at the end of our block. So, I love everything that's happening. I love the progress. I love the parking. I love what's happening with the students because it has been a problem. I'm one of the ones who have called on occasion. But that is the most important thing is
this pickup drop off and the safety of these students and our kids and our parents because they do have a crossing guard there at the end of the day. It's still not trafficked correctly.
It's still a constant run because we do have parents who are trying to get sickles to pick up their kids. So that was my only thought is please it's really important the pickup and drop off parking absolutely need to address that but pick up and drop off.
>> Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you for your comments and I think the chief mentioned that part of the hope is that that process improves because there's less other cars that are parked on the street. But chief I don't know if you can speak. Is there anything we can put on a sign that
>> No, I mean there's something not, you know, no stopping, no standing. Uh, we for some people got to part, some people got tickets. >> How far back does that go? >> I don't know. Third house, maybe. >> It's the second house. >> Can I ask how you guys feel about further back?
>> Well, we initially requested that four years ago was to have signs going down the entire street, but we all they would ever got was the first two signs coming in. >> [clears throat] >> If there's signs going down the entire street, you won't be able to park your cars at all. >> That's the problem. >> No stopping or standing means no
stopping or standing the whole >> What about just no student pickup or drop? >> How do you How do you enforce? >> Yeah. How do you do the first two weeks of of the school season and get a >> I don't think you can
I just don't know how that's going to work. I mean, you'd have to have a police officer there >> even if even if you could. I mean, I know it's or did it say no, no, there be no park, no student drop as of right now, the sign says it was.
>> No, no, I'm talking about further down the street, >> right? But I'm saying that your guys do enforce it to that spot, >> but that's where those stops are going to stand even those student drop off. >> It says no student pick up, no student drop. that they only force it for the first two houses. So, anyone that they can
still valer >> I don't recall seeing that sign that says >> no stop. No stamping. >> You're saying it says no student hall. >> No, it says no stop. >> Says no stopping. I thought it said no stopping. >> No mistake. I thought it said no stop.
>> That's what it was. I thought there was one more hit in the back. Is it Susan? And then I'll come to you next. So is there 45 Cambridge and thank you. You have been hearing from me for four years. >> Um and I'm very happy to see the
progress. >> Um I have one major concern more so with the um dismissal than the pickup. I'm usually still asleep. The pickup sign, but for the dismissal, um, you know that expression, the tree doesn't fall very, the apple doesn't
fall very far from the tree. These are parents of these children who have you heard all the bad stories about. Sometimes I've approached a parent, literally stopped in the middle of the street in the middle, knocked on their window, said, "Can you please move?" and they
gave me the finger, yelled at me, told me to get out of their way. I'm not doing anything wrong. Refusing. The parents are parking. And I think what might happen now is the school will figure out a way to have more cars in
that lot, which means the line to get out of that building is going to be even slower, >> which means more parents will be parking on Cambridge to pick up their kids. Um, it's like a whole process that happens. So also the kids who are
shooting straight across because making the left out of the school becomes even more impossible if there's not action. And that's coming in between Cambridge and if that's Harvard, Princeton because they go towards RedVac.
I know it's hard to solve everything, but the dismissal is a mess and it's not it. I hope you're right, Joe, but I don't see it getting better. the people the parents and it's really only affecting I'm going to say up to maybe
Harvard or so because they don't want to have their children to walk too far. So they're not going to go pick them up on Harvard for instant. It's I don't think I see them they want to be in front of my driveway because it's close. They don't want their kid to walk too far. So
that problem um I don't I wish you could find a solution. The second point is regarding the um having residents only. I volunteer at lunch break all around there. It's two-hour parking and they give us this
ticket we put in our window. It's no big deal. We're allowed to park. It's just handed out to people who the residents or people who volunteer there and their honor that. So I I'm having a
hard time understanding the difficulty of the reg the residentonly parking. It could maybe be implemented in a simple fashion without a lot of complications. They keep it >> I'm interested to know if that's like an
actual >> it may not be legal. I don't know. offices. >> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's not like you have a parking. >> Yes, sir. [clears throat] >> And then we're going to go to the I think I saw him in the corner.
>> Good evening. Sean Lahan, 43 Harvard Road. Actually, 25 year resident of Harvard Roads and 10 year resident of River Road prior to that. Um first um very familiar with the traffic issues traveling to RBR in the morning and from RVR in the afternoon and I do want to
say as a voice thank you very much taking the time and trying to resolve this issue. It's a big issue. We live it and and different parts of our neighborhood have been affected in different ways. Um so thank you first. Uh these people don't don't realize that this is a residential area with young
children and people of all ages riding bikes and walking in the neighborhood. Um, selfishly, I could say that, uh, it's not fair for the residents to pay the price, not be able to park in front of our own homes. Um, my wife and I both work full-time, not locally. And so, if
we only have can park there for two hours, we're not just not going to park. We're going to pull it in off the street. Um, my concern with that is even with cars parked there, um, Harvard Road is wider than River Road. And even with
cars parked there, people driving from Cambridge from Harrison to Cambridge fly down that road. It's insane. And I know cops have tried and tried and tried. We've got the speed things, you know, and as hard as you try, it's impossible for them to be there every single school
day. I recognize it. And they've made a very good effort in doing that and I appreciate it. So part of my concern then is something that will help at least the speed is something with traffic coming and frankly having some disruption in the street like cars parked on the side
as bite as it is will help deter people from flying. It's going to be a run if you have no cars on Harvard road and I suspect a lot of people will do the same thing as me because most both parents work. It's going to be a runout where people driving in there while our kids are riding their bikes to Nwood. they're
riding their bikes to circles and those retirees who live around are walking and riding and trying to live their life, you know, at whatever time they want to do it. So, that's a significant concern. We've had that concern even with cars parked there. Um, you know, where where I am at Harvard,
it's not that much the parking, but it's getting there. It's just flying by the house. Um, for both of these reasons, I think Susan had an idea that was something along the lines of what I would suggest. if there's a way to have some sort of permit parking or the
ability for those who live there or you know can have something in their windshield to be able to have their cars there frankly for no other reason just to help slow the traffic down for those riding down hard um I think it would be very helpful similarly if there are
people who are visiting you know some way that we can either call to say you know I have four grown children who are not all local and so they're coming to visit with family and things like that our in-laws, you know, just say that they're coming the same way that we call overnight in the winter time to say, "I can't move my car, you know, knowing
that we can't park overnight." If you make a courtesy call on the on the off occasion that it needs to happen, that that system works really well. But if there's something along those lines for those visitors, but then residents, I think it would be beneficial to have cars parked on the roads
and you know, at least allow the locals to be able to do that while helping to calm the traffic that's flying down drive. >> Thank you, Sean. We'll be back. Hi, thank you for addressing this.
>> Just name and address, please. >> Yes, Janet Sharky, 90 on the road. I'm not even comparing what we have to what the people of Cambridge have to deal with every day, but I agree with Mr. Running. They are flying down the street to get that golden ticket on Cambridge.
I actually walked one day, the student zipped by. I took a picture of the car and the license plate and called the police. I said, "Every single day he's zipping down the street because they want to get that spot on Cambridge." And
we had the flashing, you know, speed limit [clears throat] that lasted maybe a week. Um, we had a car parked. He stays maybe 10 minutes. There has even if it's an empty car, something has
to be done. My one neighbor said, "How about a speed bump?" >> Would you hear that? >> So, we we've discussed speed bumps in the past. The recommendation is not to do speed bumps, but I just want to point out if if they're if they are speeding down the street to get that uh golden
parking spot as you mentioned on Cambridge, it's not there anymore. That's kind of the idea is they only have threehour parking there now. >> Well, is that going to stop the speeding? Is it? Well, if they're not driving to get the spot in that place, they're not on the streets. Based on what you're saying, that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that the speeding
issue is not a real issue. Just give one second for them to check. Um, I'm not saying the speeding issue is not a real issue. And, you know, I I heard Sean's words very very clearly. Um but you know, there's a lot of actions here
and there's a lot of reactions. I for one want to see what the reaction to the action is. Um and from sitting in the seat for five years, I can tell you every time we have a challenging issue up here, the solution is never an easy
one. It's never, you know, Sean mentioned permit parking. I think there's some other people in here that discussed permit parking four years ago. It's not like we haven't um thoughtfully discussed it internally. The idea of having a parking authority is not really
something we have the resources for in the Burough Fairhead. Um there's a lot that goes into that. There's a lot of um resources that are needed. There's a lot of enforcement that's needed. So what we're trying to do is come up with a thoughtful solution to a challenging
problem that sometimes there's a little bit of pain on every side of the issue. And um unfortunately in a situation like this, I think I was uh pretty specific in some of my
comments in other meetings that we were trying to get to a solution with the school across the street that would not hurt our residents. We tried. I mean, you know, it's it's well >> from your email. >> It was it was it was well documented
>> painful on your part. They just don't listen. >> It it was well documented. um how hard we tried. Um unfortunately, we got to a point where we've um realized that that's not a door that's going to be open for us and we have to make a
decision within our own borders to protect the safety of our residents. Now, when I hear Sean and you talk about speeding, you know, that's a reaction. If that's an issue, that's another discussion we're going to have with the chief of police. I know that narrowing of roads from talking with Rich, I think
that is good with speeding, but I also don't think I've ever heard that cars necessarily parking on a street that also cuts down visibility. Um, so you know what's the phrase half a dozen one? You know, I I don't think that the chief
would recommend he can speak for himself as a way to limit speeding to have cars parking on the street. >> Well, can't we have a permanent blinking light? >> Oh, yeah. you're building that house. >> We can look that. But you know what happens is uh uh you may like that idea
and then somebody else that lives on the street is not going to >> they don't care at this point. >> I know. But it's always there's always other side to it. We can definitely put some back up there temporary. Is it up there now ladies? We get that. >> I think we got I think we got the speed test. I don't remember. But we can we
can put it up there and we can get to speed to exactly how fast going what time of day. So we we'll put that back up there. I'm not sure if we have that data yet. We can >> I mean South Street and Hudson and Redbank all have permit parking only. I
mean because I work there so they couldn't park on the two streets. Why can't we do that? Well, permit parking tally said takes a lot of resources and Red Bank has it all over the town, right? And then once we do this street, every other street's got a lot permanent parking and it becomes a whole new
>> But do people in River Oaks, do they have the same problem that we do? I don't think so. >> There are maybe not River Oak, but there are other streets that have similar problems. Yes. >> Yes. Oops. >> Well, so I I think that like you said, we tried to come a solution to see if we
could uh make it better. It may not be perfect and then if that doesn't work, we can try something else. get that >> we we we consider just so you know not putting them on barber but the reaction to the action if we didn't put them on barber is all the students that don't
park on Cambridge >> are park on >> I think I talked to you about how long is it going to take them to say we could >> my concern is my concern is that they may start parking on park and hunting
and hands so we got to see if that's the problem we have to reevaluate They may kid may start parking that far back to you know that but I don't I have no choice. >> Smart student is the one who parks the pickup truck every morning and there's two. >> Yes.
>> All the way in the back. >> So park it once the sign. >> Thank you. Thanks for your help. >> I said that again. If we don't have your data already, I'll have to put the sign word that >> we might already have. I'm not sure.
I did have I had Eugene next and I gota go back and then I'll get >> uh Eugene Kir 62 Harvard road uh so live in the same area the speeding I would challenge you guys to make that a
separate issue uh takes a cop sitting there 10 minutes a day walk the dog every morning that's all you need to do uh there's you know not a lot else there but as far as uh the residential parking I have a single driveway multiple car driving family, can't access my
backyard. Bond guy, anyone that comes, undue stress on me. The signs pretty much a non-starter with me. We don't want any signs, you know, up and down the neighborhood. Also feels a little bit of government overreach. Harrison Princeton Harvard Cambridge
you know, you know, Huntington Lane, you know, where has it stopped? They issue a connoisseally for my neighbors. It's from Cambridge from Harvard to Cambridge and Oxford there. So, we're talking about I don't know 20 houses for a sticker and I keep hearing how
complicated it is. Happy to volunteer. I can make stickers for you. So, you know, and just come up with solutions. So, that's our part. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Hi, Wendy 65. Um just want to sort of reiterate what I was saying. Um it seems
as some sort of permit would benefit everyone. We have the same problem in Eugene does. I know does where you know we have multiple cars and can't fit them all in the driveway. I don't really know what the solution is. They don't want to park on our front lawn. Um kids are all home. It's not going to work. Um you
know I don't know how what the resources are for the permit. Why that would be a difficult thing. Um, but if it just takes more time for the everyone down the street, you can put something on that driver's side window. So, it's just a quick drive by to see who has to permit it, who doesn't, and you know, to
get the cars that don't. But, um, it's it's going to be a real problem for a lot of people. And there are several residents on street that probably have no idea going on right now. No, it's given to the residents. Um but
I just think that it changed a little bit. I get that Ambridge, Oxford are major major problems and you know for many reasons but there you know the um roadways to Ridge um you know Harvard Cambridge is not as much of an issue. I
know that parking will become more of an issue but um you know it's not it's not a real danger the same way it is except for the speeding but as far as visibility and getting out onto the main road it's not an issue. Uh but I just think we need to think a little more
about the current adoption and what we can do that way to make it a little more beneficial for the residents. >> Wendy is your kids are are college age. Is that what I'm getting on? >> Yes. So one son's home and one daughter's comes back frequently.
>> Okay. >> I I I just want to point out too like it's it's three. So what a few things just to touch on what you said. talking about no notice. This is a workshop. So there's two meetings after this before
anything would become law. Um this is us discussing the solution that's been recommended obviously uh by by the uh the chief here. Um the as far as moving your cars and stuff
like that like if this if the ordinance 7 is it 7 o'clock it starts at >> I think I think I think 7. So, so anyone that would were to leave their car overnight in front of their house would not have to move their car until 10:00
a.m. because it's 3-hour parking. So, the clock doesn't start at midnight, it starts at 7:00 a.m. when the restriction starts. Um, same same thing goes anyone that parks there, whether it's 2 p.m. or
3 p.m. If they park there at 11:00 a.m., they'd be good through 2 pm. if they park there at 12:00 p.m. they'd be good for through 3 p.m. Um, so, you know, again, we're trying to to navigate
and find some balance in all the issues that's going on. I I keep hearing like it's just as easy as just putting a sticker in the window. That that is definitely minimizing the work that needs to be done to run a parking authority, which is what that would be.
um you know, we'd have to give out a certain number of permits. Those permits, are they transferable? Are they non-transferable? Um do we have records of the cars on uh file? Do are they registered? Do we have
license plates? Um >> perhaps >> hold on, hold on. We have other Do we have other uh areas of town that are asking to do the same thing? Yes, absolutely. They were nice about it. I can tell you five years of emails,
there's um at least three other areas of town at least where people would immediately be asking for the same thing. So, it becomes a more expansive um uh uh take on our resources
internally. You know, if you come into Burough offices, our staff is amazing, but you don't see I can't imagine how many employees they have in Rumson and Burough Hall. You don't see that in Fair. Um, we don't have the police force
that they have in Redbank in Fairley. Um, so yeah, in a perfect world, I would love to do what you're recommending. And am I comfortable with what's going on? No. I wanted the I wanted the school across the street to help us out um and
not get to this position that we're in right now. Um would I like this in front of my own house? No, I wouldn't. I'm you know, I'm telling you, I feel the same way that you do. But we're trying to find the right solution that maybe
everyone takes a little bit of pain, but we can um find balance. I app I appreciate when the all your thoughts and >> thanks and if we had like signs that said permit parking only it probably be a big deterrent to bring students wouldn't park there
might just help resolve the issue. I think I've been through that with whether we can put up a sign. >> You can't put a sign up for us. You could put a phantom sign that said permit park. But but try
>> it's only a big, you know, issue because there's so many blocks that you guys are recommending here. Like you're adding with the scope of the blocks that you're putting this parking in all that overhead. So, the issue is not that big. >> I know one of the questions I think I
asked you on text today and I'd ask everyone in the room because listen, we we could we could skin the cat any way you want really. Right. >> But there's an action and a reaction. And the reaction to us not doing it on Harvard and some of these other streets
is that all these kids that are parking and I I'm not going to go over the 29 minute speech again of all the stuff that they're doing on Cambridge, but that's going to be happening on your street and I don't think that I don't think the residents of of Harvard are
going to appreciate that. Well, I say at the resident though that if the onus is put on the home, >> just come up here just so we can hear you. Just just uh introduce yourself. Sean 43 Harvard. >> The if the onus is on the homeowner
>> and we recognize and understand and and see what the problem is and it needs to be solved. I mean, I almost think about it. I don't want to oversimplify it because I know these things do take an effort, but it's almost like getting your dog license every January. You got to go do it. If you don't do it, you're you're you know, you're you get things
you're going to have a problem with it. If the onus is on the homeowner to come and do it, it's a matter of spreadsheet. And if you don't have it in your windshield, you know, if your kid forgets to put it in because they're not on the driveway that day or whatever, okay, fine. Kind of like when my kid take my easy pass and I'm the only one that gets to take it because I don't
have it in my car, it's in theirs. So, it if it is on the the onus is on the homeowner to do it, if there's two passes per house, it's something that you put in your windshield. it. I don't think the management of it is that great. That is as significant as it's
been made out to be. And I do want to to sort of reiterate. You know, there was a comment made about visibility. With visibility, it that's exactly what we do. And that's how we design highways. You want no visual impacts in the way. You want to keep things clear so people
can go fast. >> I mean, having the traffic coming, I I can't overestimate this. The traffic circle that was put in in front of Oakdale, traffic circle that was put in over a nap sink in, you know, in the neighborhood over there. They they were all put in there just because they look pretty. They put in there to slow people
down and they work. I'm not saying we need a traffic circle or >> anything having less visibility will cause somebody to slow down. So, so, so Sean, it's funny you said that because the traffic circle
has been well publicized that likely is going in and >> roundabout roundabout >> roundabout and and much in the same way um you know there were many traffic engineers on Facebook in the room telling us what should be done and how
it can be done better. Um, what I remember is a gentleman to your left behind me talking about on uh Cambridge Avenue how [clears throat] his kids were writing with chalk on their driveway and
there was a car parked right on its curb on one side and right on his curb on the other side. So then that car decided turn and almost ran his kids over >> in a >> What's that? in the driver.
>> In the driver, I'm like three years old. >> So, I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not sure what the perfect solution here is and we got to start somewhere and this is where we chose to start. If you're telling me I'm hearing from Barber
residents, if you're telling me that you guys are all connected and you all you want to let it ride and see if the kids park on your street, I I wouldn't be for that. I think that that they're going to the same kids are going to walk through Cambridge. It's going to be some of the
same issues. The same kids are going to do the same things in front of your house, break your sprinkler heads and all the other stuff that's going on there. >> Awesome. I wouldn't I wouldn't be in I wouldn't be in support of that. I think that would be a mistake. I do. I think it would be a mistake. So, like if you want to talk about traffic coming and
let's get with the chief and see if we can come up with another solution for Harvard, I agree with you. I I hear you. The wide roads, that's not what we want. But the goal is to have less cars in there in the first place. If they're not in there, they can't speed. >> Go have the wrong car.
>> Got it. >> You right now you have Harvard going down to Lake Avenue. Could you reduce it to like where the open the green acres is by the bird sanctuary? >> Push it back a little bit so that
can not feel the situation. I'm going to defer to the chief on on a recommendation or something like that. She's asking if if you could what? If you could change the going all the way down to Lake Avenue, cut it back to the bird sanctuary.
>> Well, I I I I truly think that the kids are going to park there. I mean, we're they're going to go, you know, we went down to uh >> Harrison because that's really far, but I think the kids are going to park their readings. I I don't object to it, but I think kids are going to park very
>> I think they're going to go I think I I actually think that, you know, like how far can you go? But I think the kids are going to park on Park Road and and and Park Lane. I I do on boards on Harrison on H. That's why we want we wanted to try to you know be reasonable and start
it and see where we go. Um that's the reason we did that just because I think that we got to make it far enough that it become very very hard for walking but it comes to a point like how far do you go? Uh if we just did Cambridge all the other streets here if you remember maybe
three years back we did no parking on Cambridge that for a week or something and that's when everyone started parking hard on Harvard. So that's what's going to happen. But it wasn't what our residents in Cambridge are dealing with by any means. It was reduced and I was
there that week. But again, like there's no like we're putting the onus on the residence, right? Like to bear the brunt of this. So if I move a car out, park in the front, I'm on the early >> and and that car is going to stay there
all day. >> I usually don't see it. It takes me too. >> I No, I know. I I don't really want because text me too. I gota make sure there's no far far from my house. So the same Cambridge there's a problem I get or just I don't know how far I I think
that it might cause a problem on farm road and you know hunting and and I don't know >> I know I'm just saying more thought on a solution where takes the more residents in mind is the yes
but >> that's why we picked that far I think that you know that comes to a point where after that you probably not so Sure. >> We could definitely look at reducing the thing. I just don't know if it's good, but >> good. Joe Bond with 232 Cambridge. Um,
appreciate the effort that everybody's been making. Um, very much a believer in progress over perfection. So, I do think this is a a great dialogue and I like the action that's being taken. Um, I will say I am for the permit process. I know that's kind of untypable right now.
we could strive towards that in the future. But um I do think there might be some benefits to it. I think the dismissal time is a very tough time because one drop off I think the signs are going to alleviate a lot of the key turns where the students are fighting for parking down cage. I definitely
think the signage is going to help with that or the two hour three hour whatever is decided pop. So arriving to school this could be helpful. I think the dismissal part was the parent that aimed the car at me not student actually. The student was the one who drove over my straggler. I drew the short short straw
on the fifth house from the corner. I don't know why everybody K turns in our driveway, but they do. Um, with that, I do want to ask, is there any laws or anything else enforcement where people aren't able to make just K turns constantly in the middle of the road? >> N do it legally, you know, false.
>> All right. Because a lot of students dismiss that. >> I mean, unfortunately, there's nothing to ban it. >> All right. But >> yeah, I I do and that's why I said in the morning with the K turns for fighting for the closest spots. I think that'll alleviate some of it. In the
afternoon, it does become where all those cars turn around. So theoretically won't we won't have as many cars on the street. The next issue, and this is why I think permits could help, is all the parents that come down the street and start creeping. meaning that they stop, they stall out for a little while and
they idle and then when they see their kids or other cars moving along, they start to file down. My wife's almost been hit multiple times. I know that other residents, I won't name them, same thing. Our kids get out of singles at 2:30. So, our families leave to go pick
them up and there's almost always accidents. I don't know that that's where I think if our cars are out on the street, it would deter some of those parent pickups. Um, also we'll see what happens with the three-hour, but I think it might reduce
at [clears throat] least the amount of key turns leaving. So, if there is even one way of traffic coming out Red Bank Regional through Fair Haven, it might alleviate some of that. So, I don't know how we should try to track or judge this. If you have suggestions on how we as the residents should go about
figuring it out, >> you guys are out there um >> as much as they can because it is a busy time because the other schools are our schools are getting out. It's a time of day. Our schools are getting out. You know what's going on. The the other thing I can do is I I can talk to little silver and I'm not sure I can make this
happen, but ask if when people come not to let anybody go straight across when they're getting >> Yeah, that would certainly be help. >> I can't make him do it. >> I mean, there there'd be no there would be no street sign that would >> No, no street sign. I'm told he is direct. The problem is you get red
backed up. So, that becomes a problem. So, let me see what I can do with it. I mean, ideally a right turn only out of RBR would be great, but >> I know that's not probable. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, that's why I think the permit might slow a lot of that down just because if residents can have their cars
out there for parking, it's fair parking. There still will be residents park there if they come late with the car. So, I think there could still be residents park there if they come after or before whatever. You know, >> this is the issue with the permit
parking. It goes to the hoboken model, right? >> It's [clears throat] the problem is is you have a contractor, you have someone visiting, so now you have to go to alternative, you know, parking limits, right? So it's the it's the parking with a permit
>> and then four hours. Uh you can park without a permit, but then they have to enforce. >> Yeah, >> we only have at any one time two officers on duty. >> Do have regular parking authorities. >> Parking authorities. I'm just letting an unintended, you know, I know that's
maybe we got there in the future, but >> you don't give a police officer to do parking. >> You know, you can have somebody hire somebody. >> Well, unfortunately, then we'd have to create an ordinance to create a position of a parking enforcement officer. >> Okay.
>> Because I think we do need to make clear. >> I think we need to make we let the burough attorney talk. And sir, if you're going to yell somebody out, you got to wait for your turn. State your name and address. >> Just one last question. And if you could
give us some advice how to like monitor even figure out the algorithm of what's effective or not, that would be great to walk away once something's instituted so we could help have honest feedback. I'm not talking about hypotheticals. I I really want to make sure this measured because right now all we can do is
guess. So I think once something's in place, we do have a way to measure it. Um the other question I had is fire hydrants. Do we tow from fire hydrants? Do we just issue parking tickets? >> Usually if a fire hydrant is blocked with the fire truck cannot get to it. We tow. >> Okay.
>> If a fire is partially blocked where they Yeah, they can still get to it but they're within you know they're within 10 ft. >> Yeah. That $55 ticket does nothing for that. So I mean we the time was coming and then all of a sudden summer time frame stop. >> No, it has nothing to do with that. If the hydrant is blocked with partn
>> if it's block if it's within more than it's supposed to be right 10 feet or whatever if it's 5 deep still get to the hydro >> I'm talking you could cut the car in half >> I don't know what happened that day but we have to >> it stops this this >> I don't know if it stop but I mean maybe
that day I don't know >> okay >> all right so thank you very much >> all right Dan Kane 1965 Harvard. Um, thanks everyone for looking into this. I can't imagine what it must be like to live on Cambridge. Um, I know during the day if I'm working from home, I avoid
road those times a day because the traffic's so miserable. Uh, I have a unique situation and it's just me. So, it's kind of me whining, I guess. But the reason why permit would work is I leave my truck there when I walk in the train station. So, I'm in the city a few days a week and if the weather
permitting, my truck's there and I can't I'm in no position to move it. Um, and I don't know if anyone else like that would leave leave their car there, but it's the same thing though with the to reiterate what's been said before. You have the narrow driveways. We have three
cars. Um, when we're home, when our kids are home, there's more. It It's just it it stinks at the behavior of students and parents is burdening the town of Um, but I just wanted I'm glad to look into it. I'm glad it's working group. So,
it's not anything written in stone, but it's just something else to consider. >> Did you say you walked to the train station? >> Yeah. God bless. >> No wonder you're in such good shape. >> Um I just before is there anyone else that hasn't spoken yet? and then I'll
come back to >> question. >> Let's finish in in house and then we'll >> chief I wanted to know >> just introduce yourself again. >> Jan Shy Harvard road. >> Why was there signage all along from
Ridge Road adjacent to Fairhaven wheel? No parking all the way from I was very surprised. I said, "Wow, who's going to park here? Is that Dartmouth? >> No. >> When are you talking about right now or
fall time? >> During before the summer before the summer start graduation. >> No, >> you just during the school year there was signage all the way down into the gentry. No parking. >> No, it's not. It's not.
>> It might have been for like fair day or something. >> Yeah. Girls on the run >> might have some kind of vent that >> there was not it was morning was walking. >> Yeah. Got a vent [clears throat] at the field and they were the event. >> No parking any time.
>> It might have been like temporary sites to temporary sites. >> Yeah. It was probably like fair haven day or maybe sometimes. >> Uh I don't I don't know. >> And I'm thinking how come >> they still are there? >> But they're all over Cambridge. That's I
couldn't imagine what was going on. >> Treeworkino. >> You just putting your arm on the column or do you have something else? >> No, Alison. >> We have one more person. >> One more live. Hold on. Sure. Sorry about that.
>> Kennedy 244. Um I'm house three. So the second sign, everybody starts parking right in front of my house. Um, but my question is, is there a reason why we can't say no school parking?
>> I'll defer to >> it would be no parking on school days. >> You can't just single, you cannot single out for enforcement. You cannot single out just a specific institution that being a school, a religious uh religious
center, community center. It cannot be for a single uh purpose. So you can't just single out that one. >> Are you talking about parking? >> You're talking about the ones that say no parking, >> no stopping, no standing, right? >> No, no, no. I'm talking about the new
ones going forward. >> Oh, in those schools going to say school days. >> It'll say school days. I'm saying no school parking so that >> they do how do you inform like how do you prove school? problem is you would need to have the officer sitting there
that would have to confirm that that person is going to the school and using that school as you know for for the learning purposes. >> You can't be visiting the school that there's you have to be able to enforce it right. So if step one is creating an
ordinance which we did uh that we're workshopping now then it would have to look at you know in order to enforce any sort of law it's enforcing that ordinance. That ordinance cannot be statutory specific as far as a single institutions because you would have to
have an officer there to confirm that they're using it for only that one purpose. So that's the problem. You'd have to have an officer sitting in in the facility, you know, in on that street on Cambridge Avenue, on Harvard, whatever the street may be to confirm in
order to enforce >> this. This won't this uh ordinance won't be effective weekends. It's only effective during certain months. >> Um, holidays. >> School. Yeah, school days. It's just school. Just >> no holidays.
>> Okay. It's just trying to see if there's a way to, you know, discourage them, you know, for that subset that eventually they would just stop working there. >> That is that's the goal. That's >> is that it doesn't identify who the
issue is. But and >> but I don't think you could just say it's just like for one institution you can't borrow. You could say nobody can park there not just students. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Sure. We're going to go to we still on Zoom. I don't know if you want to hear
those first. >> I said one quick >> Sure. >> A clarifying point because we keep talking about a parking authority. >> I think it needs to be clarified that we don't technically legally need a parking authority. That is the easiest way to do it. But I just want to make sure because
I don't want to be caught. That's correct. But that's not >> it's just that's the best way to do it. >> It's going to take a lot of time. >> Yes. But I just want to clarify that because like we keep throwing that around. But >> good clarification.
>> Name and state name and address. Sir. >> No. >> Okay. >> Just hold on. We're going to move to the zoo. I'll I'll come back. >> Okay. Hi, Stephanie Adams. >> Sure. >> Hi, Stephanie Adams, 2:30 Oxford. I
think I'm the first Oxford resident speaking tonight. Um, I uh appreciate what uh residents on Cambridge have been struggling with. We unfortunately we don't struggle with the
parking situation as much um because we're usually trying to find spots. We're wrestling the uh contractors for spots on our street, but we we get more of the speeding, you know, the students that are just kind of zipping down our street. Um but going back to the parking
situation, we, you know, most of the street has the narrower driveways and so a lot of us um are parking on the street. So, um, you know, this
this time limit would be an issue. Um, you know, I I I hear what you're saying. You wouldn't have to move your car until whatever 11:00, but then my question is where are we moving it to that, you know, is convenient enough that, you know, you can then you have to run back
to your house and get back to work, right? We work from home. Um, so >> Stephanie, >> yeah. >> So, so the police would have to mark the tires of your car. >> You could you could fix
>> down the street there marking the tires. Why can't they be there for permanent? >> Well, and so that's my question. You know, at RF, I know that they do the time limit thing. >> When she when she's done, sir, you can come up, say your name and address, and
we'll be happy to discuss. Go ahead. >> I I know at RFH they do the time limit thing, but I also know that it gets it gets enforced. You know, the kids get tickets. And so my question is, you know, you're talking about doing it one
way. Um but and then when you talk about permitting, you know, the enforcement is the issue. And I and I appreciate chief everything that you guys do and and you know that the finding the people to do it, but I'm assuming that you would have to enforce it either way, whether it's a
time limit or a permit. Like is there a way to streamline the permitting process and enforce it? Maybe not all the time, but just enough so that the signs that are up saying permit parking only, you know, when one kid, you know, if if enough kids start
getting tickets, then word will get out, right? That that you're going to get ticketed if you don't have a permit. And that might change the behavior um you know, without having to enforce it constantly for long
periods of time. I just, you know, I I hear what everyone's saying and I just want to chime in that, you know, I I also feel like permitting might be the better place to start. I don't fully know what the whole parking authority thing is, but I I feel like if there's like a streamlined way to do it, um, you
know, if it's a sticker or whatever it is, the signs, and then maybe enforce it periodically because once the kids start getting tickets, the word's going to get out and they're not going to want to park there. Um, yep. That's it for me.
Thank you. >> Thank you, Alison. >> I have Alison for >> Hi everyone. Um, Allison Farnoli, 221 Cambridge. Um, so thank you for all of this tonight. Um, I really appreciate it
getting to this point and having this discussion. And um I'm in full support of um you know moving forward with these ideas and putting something in place. And I think what where we are is a great starting point. Um if there was something on those signs um you know the
three-hour signs that says no stopping or standing maybe some added language I think that would be great to at least consider. Um, I was also wondering, I think it started to get as answer answered in the previous question. Um, h how and maybe this is for the chief, but
how are tires going to be marked? So, if like, you know, it's 10:00 and I've got to get out there and move a car, I move at 6 in or am I good to go? Um, so just kind of wondering how that that works um to have some understanding. Um, because
obviously the students aren't probably coming out of school to move their cars 6 in, right? So, just making sure I understand how that's actually going to be implemented. Um, and then I I know I've heard a lot of um neighboring streets speaking about um the concern
with the speeding, which I think every neighbor I've spoken to on Cambridge and other are concerned about the speeding. And just to um I know I've voiced this before um in emails and such, but to maybe consider uh reducing the speed
limit. Um and that might also help um you know our police department to be able to um even kind of issue more tickets when students are you know doing 10 over now they're doing 15 over. Um and maybe that would that would help as
well. And it's not just students it's rush hour you know 5:00 6:00 we have speeders shooting through those streets at all times of the day. So maybe considering that as an easy fix um reducing the speed limit a little bit. So those were just kind of my questions and my comments. Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Is it gentle in the back? >> Okay. 244 Cambridge. Uh I guess my question is if you're going to sit there and mark tires. Okay. Why can't you do permits?
>> You're looking at the permits. You're going to send somebody out there anyway. And if you're doing that, I'm guessing cost is the issue with the permitting. Did we do a cost analysis and is that available for us to look at? >> I guess not. Well, it's internal
resources. That's that's the to answer your question. The first question, um, a parking permit involves internal resources. The other situation you're talking about marking a tire is just the police officer enforcement on their own.
Correct. >> Can you explain the internal resources? >> Okay. So, someone has to come in and get a parking permit. Who are they getting that parking permit from? >> What happens if you just go and I had a condo I had parking issues at one point in my life and they gave everybody in
the condo two parking passes. Okay. >> They gave it to everybody there. Okay. issued it one time. It was part of that that condo unit's uh responsibility to put that in the air. The police would
come by, check to see if there was a n, you know, on an regular basis. They did it every once in a while. They go through. Okay. The other side of it is I know you're saying you got to go through a lot of, you know, red tape to get a parking authority, but you could do
something with somebody at a minor, you know, at a minimum wage job. You could get handicap people to do it. Look like heroes that you're hiring handicapped people to do things like that. You get other opportunities. they think outside the box to come up with something, but a
permitting seems like that's what everybody wants and that seems like the best solution. It's the I hear you that it's the best solution from where you're sitting, >> but there are um other things to consider. Wendy mentioned she has, and
I'm not picking on Wendy, I'm bringing up a situation, obviously, but she says she has kids in college, for instance, and they come over uh in the middle of the day with three three of their friends with three different calls. Now, you only have two permits,
>> something that she's got to deal with. She has her neighbors her neighbor can give her a permit. Perhaps perhaps someone lives by the >> right now. Right now you're telling them they can't do it at all. Sir, >> you're telling them they can't do it at all. Too many of their friends.
>> Sir, that's not accurate. I'm telling them they can do it for 3 hours. >> For 3 hours, correct? >> Okay. They want to spend the day there. >> Their car every 3 hours. >> You got to move your car every 3 hours. >> Okay. And then he's got to send a cop out to make sure the tires are marked.
>> That means the cop I I I understand your issue. I I I sit there and I'm I'm grateful for all the things you're doing. I think the the opportunity to start something is brief. Okay. I just
I'm frustrated and I think the permitting >> You're frustrated. >> I Well, I am because I'm living >> start I mean what what what street were you on, sir? >> I'm on Cambridge and I'm one of the first ones. >> That's true. All right. And and we were saying earlier
that you think it's going to eliminate some of the driveway problems. >> It's not going to eliminate them. It's just going to push them down further because there's going to be less cars, but they're all going to be at the beginning of the street. >> So, you're still going to have the same problem with the driveways and those
type of things. And people with kids >> live in the beginning. >> I'm not understanding nothing. before they sat there and the police chief said that uh we asked the question about driveways and parking in front of the driveways and how close it is and how
often that happens. And he said, "Well, we're trying to eliminate that by having less cars parked in, which is true. You'll have less cars, but they're still all going to be bunched together. They're just going to be at the beginning of the problem. So, you're still going to have the problem just
about as much. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> But Josh, I mean, I just don't want to lose the side of like it's a pain like for guests and other stuff willing to make that sacrifice for the neighborhoods like our neighbors.
>> But like you're putting the inconvenience on the res, right? Like you know, you're talking about like two passengers for that. Like if I have to take the car out, someone else needs to get picked up. They're gone for a day and I leave it there. So I'm in, you know, >> both people working all day, multiple
cars, they'll be there like back on me. And then now becoming another funding source for the great >> we do not want to put any inconvenience on our residents. And that's why for 5 years we methodically debated this issue in these council meetings, why we met
with RBR countless times while why while our residents were in their meetings. Um >> agreed and you know I've been thinking about it's been exhausting. So what we tried to do was come up with a thoughtful
solution that we thought thought would have the least impact on our residents. Right? I understand now that we're what we may potentially be doing is moving some of the anxiety from one street and
sprinkling it on some of the other streets. I recognize that >> it's not it is not a perfect solution. It's not a solution that anyone up on this day is is excited about. Like I mentioned in that speech, like
purchasing a Riverside Park, this is not exciting to us. We don't like the options that we have. They're not great police. But when we looked at everything and we um consulted with our
traffic safety um director, the police chief, and we looked at all the potential solutions to the issue, and yes, that factors in everything, finance, resources, safety. We thought this was the best solution. We thought
it's something we should try. Now we're sitting here. We haven't even tried it yet. And we're hearing how it's not going to work and it'll never have a chance. And to be fair, we heard some of the same things about Fairman Road before we installed two-hour park there.
And I'm not saying that problem's gone away, but it's softened. It's minimized. So I would ask again, it's a living breathing document. I don't think it's going to have as much of a negative
impact on your neighborhood as you think it will. Then again, we're all listening to you guys. So, there's seven people up here and if four people agree, that's how this thing works, right? As long heard. >> Yeah. I I'd like to get, if you don't
mind, over here, I'd like to get to to uh people haven't spoken yet. So, absolutely. Yeah. >> John 96 Workers Drive. Um, I want to thank you because I've spoken to many of you about this being a thoughtful solution. So, I want to thank you that I
believe that there was a lot of thought put into the, you know, 3 hours and 3:00. Um, as you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, so only Friday will be impacted. I run a service industry out of my home, so I have multiple visitors. I do have a
fourcar driveway. I do have a twocar garage. I currently own seven cars. I know that's a problem. However, the point is I would be moving the car from my driveway to the street to [clears throat] have my visitors come. So, permitting, you know, yeah, we
could do that. I normally have more than two visitors. So, you know, we could permit all six of my cars. That'd be great. You know, we could do that. I I like the thoughtful solution you came up with. It's probably the first time I've ever said that to any of you up there. So, I want to point that out that I I I
mean, I said it to a couple people in this room over text. I felt like I was heard this time. Um, and I'm hearing everyone else. It sounds like they're a lot more frustrated than me. I live on a block that's currently not impacted. It was impacted once people were moved away
from the other streets. My street became adjustment. I did not have problems with any of the people that parked there. I actually had two kids that I told them, "These are your spots now. I'll make sure that you get these spots. And they started [clears throat] bringing me golf. It's a great day. Um, so you know,
I I you know, our street's a culdeac, so it's a completely different story. Um, it only has about 20 operable spots. Um, so I have a feeling that it's just a different landscape compared to the rest of them. But I just wanted to say that I
thought it was a really thoughtful solution >> for residents like me and being a compromise. S I appreciate it. >> Um I I actually have a question for so before I come to you guys. Is there you know there's obviously some apprehension
here from some people and and I've recognized that. Is there any way to do a temporary where we do it for months to see so >> so I'd say this the turnaround time from
when was RBR's graduation? It's about >> 6:18. [clears throat] >> So I'd say this, today is July 27th. So from June 18th to July 27th, we have now drafted
a I believe a thoughtful ordinance, pretty comprehensive in 30 something days. In order for this to be enacted before the start of the school year, it would have to be introduced at the next
meeting and then adopted as the following >> or a special meeting >> or >> Yeah. >> or a special meeting, but you're talking about another 30 days. So, in order for any sort of ordinance to be introduced
and enacted prior to the school year, it would have to be introduced at the next meeting. That's not even a question. >> Okay. That's August 13th. >> Yeah. But then our next meeting is not until >> we have to have a special meeting. >> Then you would have to have a special meeting before in order to enact the
ordinance. So [clears throat] >> August 17th. >> Yeah, it's August 17th. >> August 17th. >> August 17th. September 13. >> And then there's two weeks between introduction. >> So what I'm saying is is that we're able to turn around these ordinances in a
pretty quick turnaround time. I believe um we know how much of an importance it is to all the neighbors. So that's, you know, mayor and counsel, you know, my office and and the chief's office and burough attorney, burough clerk, uh,
burrow administrator, we all work together, enact the ordinance, let it be, you know, go into effect before the school year. And if there's anything that needs to be amended, we can amend the ordinance at that time. But as far as there's no temporary fix, there is no
probationary period. It's an ordinance that will be enacted be in the laws and the state laws that will be approved by the municipal courts and you know the clerk of the state. Um this is the quickest turnaround time we
could have in order for this to be fully in you know enforced by the you know the police department. >> I do think school I think it's I think it is important to have whatever we do in place before the school year starts so they can message it. there's not a change in the middle of the year. >> Um,
>> well, as soon as this is adopted, it should be said to the school. >> Yeah. >> Can I have some thoughts though? So, >> I just want to step back. Something needs to be done. Obviously, we really do hear what you're saying. I wanted >> Is that Did you have something you want to say? Did I say >> right now? >> Yeah. Did you say something? Sorry, I
thought I said something. Um, so I just want to clarify something though. You're saying that we methodically debated this for five years. This is the first time we're speaking about it up here. So, and the first time I ever heard about this was no, I do have to spin it up and say
we've had residents in meetings for five years. >> Yes. >> Due respect, you commented on my comment in January at some December, one of the >> But the but we've said it like once. We haven't debated your proposal that you sent. We never even talked about that.
So, that's where I'm concerned that I'm concerned about how this is going to affect the rest of people. like I'm willing to put it through because something needs to get done, but I am worried about the other residents that are on the other streets that are going to be affected negatively by this. Now, we haven't debated this like that has
not been something. >> The only thing that has not been debated is the uh petition that was sent in to us. We have debated this. >> We haven't talked about options really >> countless times. We've debated this within the council. We've we've discussed we've discussed permitting.
We've discussed hours of parking. I had a 29m minute breakdown two meetings ago >> which I wasn't at. >> That you were at where I broke down how we led up to this issue and how it's um that the current issue that was obviously being discussed at the time
and what we need to do in the future. >> Did we talk about actual proposed ordinances or solutions? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> When have I seen an ordinance besides this? We'll get an ordinance or a plan. We didn't do an ordinance
because we're trying to work with RBR to get to a solution where we police put it to this. I appreciate everything that we've done, but we haven't discuss. So, I'm just worried we're pushing something through that hasn't been completely vetted. It hasn't been a survey hasn't gone out to any of the residents around
there. I I something needs to be done. I am just I just worry that I don't think we really vetted the permit process. I don't know that I think it's the best, but I also think one of the reasons we're not doing this is because we're fearful of what's going to happen in other neighborhoods.
>> We can't we can't crowdsource and survey every single decision we make up on. We were elected to make decisions on behalf of our constituents on behalf of the best interest of the burough fair haven. We've debated this issue for five. I mean, we have done it. You can say
that years now. It's exhaustive. I'm not saying they have to agree with that. When they came to our meeting, just for the record, the first time I ever heard about it was at the end of last year. When you guys came to that meeting, I had never even heard that this was an issue. >> Can I just jump in and let and see if
any other residents have any additional thoughts and then we'll >> No, you only came last year for the first meeting for two >> meeting. Is it okay when you were on >> they can't be organiz
if you're not hold on please don't shout out from the uh >> from the public I think we're done with public comment right now on this topic I'd like to get back into the work >> you have someone else to say
>> no no I just yeah I'm the mindset. How do we get back into the work? >> Does anyone else have anything to say? We keep on this issue. >> I would just like to weigh in and say I think this is I know that there's been a lot of committee level work and a lot of meetings outside of the council deputy the public meetings. That's an important
part of how we get information. Also, we have the advice and guides of our professionals and uh often in matters that are really intricate like this. It's called wicked problem. You solve one thing and it creates a new problem. you have to rely on. I'm comfortable relying on our professionals. So, um I'd
like to advance this and continue to get feedback. I do think something is better than nothing and taking action is the right stuff, especially if you can get it every school year. >> Can we also um look at parking uh fines?
I don't know. I I don't know what they are. Is that something that we can look at to >> Well, no, that should be >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's it's already in full enforce and effect with regards to parking violations. So, um this would just be >> state what? Say it again.
>> There's state fines. >> It's governed through stat or >> it's already Yeah, it's already in their statutory code and this is just ex expanding upon >> other restrictions. Is the ordinance um
I'm looking at it now, but there's I don't see anything. But do we have to put up signs with passing of this ordinance or is that >> No, that's that's what I mentioned before. I talked to the uh municipal prosecutor who will be defending Mr. or moving this forward. He said you don't really need signage.
>> Uh but unless you advertise it, give warning, but I I believe that we should put at least, you know, one sign at the beginning, you know, when you come in so you see it. But >> so that would just be an additional deterrence. It would be a sign. Not right. It's not legally required to have science because it is in fact when
it is in fact enacted. We go through the workshop introduction [clears throat] and then the final approval it then gets publicized >> and that's that's the public's notice that this is what's the new law. >> I just believe we should put signs up. It doesn't mean we have to leave them up either. If it if it works and and it
seems to be working to put them all >> just going to do it at the entrance. >> That's that would be the streets. >> Yep. That's that would be the plan. Yep. And again, if it, you know, next year if it's working well and we don't have any problem, we can take them down, too. So, we're only buying like, I don't know, Nick, we looked on eight signs maybe or something, not a whole lot.
>> Can I just ask that once we disclose in place that we have regular reviews because I know someone was asking, how do we know that it's working? I would love to make sure that we're all aware of kind of what is happening because we don't all hear directly from you guys and it shouldn't have to come to us. So
making sure that we're seeing how this is working for all the streets, not just for Cambridge, but for all the streets because again, a lot of people, you made this point, a lot of people don't know this is going to go into effect. A lot of residents are going to be affected by this. We need to make sure that they
know this is coming down the pike before it's enacted to because we don't want them to be surprised by this. All of a sudden, they can't park on the street. And then that's a review permit at some point. In fact, >> Chief, is there any way to use um you
know discrete technology like you had at the corner of um road and ridge to look at license plates to look you know to take care of idling K terms. >> Yeah, we actually had it up on Cambridge >> and then just send fines. >> Well, we we actually did that. We put
that sign uh up there that anywhere that parked within that time zone. We actually had written a few things. I don't know about three-hour parking mode kind of tricky because you can't be able to see that in the whole city, but >> we did do that for the staying as a deter for an additional deterrent. >> Yeah,
>> sure. >> I also think we need to look at other traffic calming things for Harvard specifically separate from this. Like I'd love for us to maybe put that on the docket somewhere as well as a additional. >> I was going to ask the the chief that I
know on Kemp Avenue we reduced speed to 20 miles per hour and I think most residents are really following that. There's some signage there and reminders. Is that something you might want to consider for horrible? >> Yeah, if we if I said we'll get that
sign board up there with the counter. It tells you the speeds, tells you everything to find out if there's a speeding problem, what they are time. We may even have that data. We had it out there, but I I really >> Yeah, I emailed myself so much more. >> Yeah, kept very
>> Yeah, kept definitely help. What's up, Kevin? >> Um, not to pivot on that same thing. I think it was Janice that brought up a speed bump. >> Yes, >> I I drove over a temporary speed bump yesterday. Is that something that never
looked at Rachel? But we did them on third street. It became an absolute nightmare and they broke it. >> It sounds good. Then we've been doing the rent. You live there and every day >> you make a lot of >> Yeah. >> It's not It's not something
finished it off. >> So So I just I just want to make sure because this was a workshop. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, based on what you've heard and where we're at right now, you guys, if you want to voice your opposition to moving forward, I think you should. Now, I want to make sure
there's four members up here that are ready to move into introduction of the next meeting. I support it. >> Are we It's listed for tonight for introduction of consent. >> No. >> 2026-11. >> New business. I know. And can I just ask
clarifying question number Mr. Soul? Just so >> just introduce yourself again. >> Eugene car. Uh it feels like we're kind of caught like so we do this action and then RVR does a reaction. How do we roll this back? Is that possible? Because we're not great
at that. >> Right. But to be serious, like once it becomes flawed, >> by that you mean like if they extended their parking and then we wouldn't need to do this anymore. >> Yeah. I mean that's your ultimate goal, right?
>> That's our hope. That would be our hope. That's a perfect scenar. I don't think we can handcuff future governing bodies, but that to me would be a common sense decision. Put that in the minutes for any future governing body that if RVR um re-engineers their
parking lot and has capacity, which I think they do already for all of their cars and they start parking there, then there would be no reason in our streets to continue with the three-hour parking. Chief, would you agree with Yeah. >> Yeah. Eventually, I mean, if the reds came back there's not a problem anymore.
I don't know why. >> Yeah, >> there's still a difference between a law and you know not being on the books. That that was the question. >> Absolutely. I uh I am in favor of advancing it. >> I am as well. >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> Yes. In favor of me. >> So I would like to say I'm in favor of advancing it. I do have some reservations, but I'm doing it because I know something needs to be done for you. I just want to I want to make sure that it is working. So I'd love some regular updates. I agree with Michael. We should just be keeping an eye on this, but this
something has to be done and the only way to get done before school starts. Sounds like we need to do it again. >> Okay. >> I wish it wasn't so quick and I feel like we are pushing it through a little quickly, but I know that time is of yes. So, >> thank you. Uh, so we are going to we are
going to uh vote on that under new business introduction of ordinances 2026 111 when we get there. I'd like to go back to public comment on agenda items only please. >> Um, please observe three minute time limit. Anyone else on public comment?
>> You were given an opportunity before to public comment and you turn it down. >> But this is not on >> Well, you can talk. >> I don't want to talk. >> Okay. >> Uh, Mark Wilson's 220 Cambridge Avenue.
But uh I would like to regarding whatever happened with Nancy and the 1 point the mystical 1.4 million that came out of nowhere. I just want to say to council Olsen, I'm looking forward to you and I having coffee at Booster
that you could explain to me >> because I've been lectured by a former burough administrator, by a current mayor, by members of the council that there was no money for years. There was no money. And now
we need a $1.3 million. Kevin needed one point. [laughter] There's there's one point. >> Why would we spend money on those trees? We wouldn't be able to buy a fire. >> Well, we would if we the trees would be this. So then my question becomes when we make a decision capital investment
like that, instead of us making the decision that we need a truck, why don't we say look at our municipal tax base and how much how much money can we afford and do we have a line item so that every year like why do we make a decision that way? Why don't we say on a
town of 6,000 people and whatever our $16 million budget that we should expect a fraction of a percent every 10 years to fund Why don't we look at it that way? Why aren't we just out of nowhere coming up with this? That just seems crazy. >> I'm happy to explain to you.
>> Good. >> Well, what >> we expect to use a grant to fund that fire truck. We're hoping, just so you know, not spend a single >> penny. I just I just wanted to say that the funds did not come out of nowhere. They were >> they did come on over to me and and some
people and some people that texted me. >> So that's why I'm trying to clarify a little over here. >> These were these funds are coming from previous capital ordinances that originally anticipated spending all these funds. >> Now for one reason or another something
came in under you changed the project. >> That's why those funds are there. I'm not sure why in the past you were told there were no funds or what you were looking for funds for. Because capital funds can only be used for two things.
Capital projects or being reappropriated for a specific reason. >> And you use the term soft what you what was the soft >> soft cost >> soft >> but it's still a capital. >> So as a tax >> still capital fund >> as a taxpayer is that reported to me? Do I know what the soft potential you're
and you're referencing I think you said like you'd start down 2022 20 so I assume that >> no those are actually the specific ordinance numbers there ordinance number always starts with the year right >> and then the number that ordinance is in
that year. So as a taxpayer, am I able to find out how many soft costs are sitting out there that were funded? Do you report that to us as taxpayers? >> If somebody requests that information, yes it's >> part of our discussion at Boosterd is
could we going forward annually find out how much soft costs are unfunded? So we know that there might be some money. >> It's in the budget. It shows you what is available in capital. That information is out there. >> That's on our website, Mark. Yeah, I mean >> I've just never heard of it. It's just
>> I'm more than happy to answer additional questions. Yeah, it's it's unusual that >> it was unusual. >> It's unusual that funds haven't been cleaned up in this long period. So, >> it's usually every year, like two to three years, you go back and you clean
up your capital. >> So, this year Nancy and I sat down together and we decided we wanted to go back and clean up a lot of a lot of maintenance that we needed to get done. Um, so we went back and actually some of those go back even so far back into 2018. That's generally not that's generally not how municipality would run
and support us to clean a lot of that up. >> So >> now in in fairness to previous administration and CFO, >> a lot of these projects, especially the facilities projects, extended years. >> Sure. >> So it's it's not that it was ignored or
forgotten just for one reason or another. It just did not happen in a timely fashion. and we are trying to make that happen. >> It just so happens to be that the timing is right where now the burrow needs another fire truck. That is what was
determined. I did not make that decision. You did not make that decision. The people that you elected make those decisions. >> Got it. >> But now we don't have to authorize additional funds. >> Sure. >> We're not authorizing additional debt. >> That's right.
>> We're actually using funds that we have at hand. Hence the dark arts and I look forward to going to Boosterd with you and you can try and explain some of this. >> I will but I don't want to say something I think you're maybe caught up on the soft cost part. >> I'm just caught up on a 1.4 million from out of nowhere. But >> so the way I understand it, correct me
if I'm wrong. So you do a project, let's say the police department. There's hard cost the building. Yep. >> And soft cost like the engineer. >> Yeah. >> And I it sounds like the soft cost reappropriating those are a little easier than hard costs. Well, in this situation because there are it just hap
No, not really. You can reappropriate either one. There just happened to be more soft costs available for reappropriation. >> So, think of it as as unspent money. So, the project was approved a certain amount. It's what's unspent and that's collecting out there with projects that
are correct in various >> stages. As a taxpayer, I would love to know what those unspent monies are. That's all. I exceeded my three minutes. We'll have coffee. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. It's available in the budget paperwork and the annual financial statement that are on record show. I've
never been to Booker with >> anyone else public comment on it on >> No. All right. Moving along. Approval of minutes July 13, 2026 regular meeting. Do I have a motion to approve? >> Motion. >> Second.
>> Allison, may I please have a roll call? >> Yes. Sorry. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh, hold business hearing adoption of ordinance 2026-10 general capital ordinance. I have a
motion to open. >> So, second. >> All in favor? >> Anyone opposed? >> Is there anyone in the public that has any comment on 2026-10? Alison, is there anyone online? >> No. I have a motion to close >> to vote. Second.
>> All in favor? >> Anyone opposed? >> I have a motion to approve. >> Motion second. >> Allison, may I please have a roll call? >> Council members, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All right. Next up, new business.
Introduction of ordinances 2026-11 supplement burough code 7-15. Parking prohibited during certain hours on certain streets and 720 stop intersections. Does anyone have a motion? >> Second. Uh Allison, I please have a roll call.
>> Members, >> yes. See, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Next up is consent agenda resolutions 2026-165 through 174. Before I ask for a motion, does anyone want to separate anything
here? >> Does anyone want to comment on anything here? >> I have a question on the 173. When will we know the the tax number? >> You mean your individual? Yeah. The individual like what you owe for your
house? Yeah. What the what the taxpayers would know? Yeah. >> The uh you go ahead. >> So the tax the tax amounts are currently available online. They have been since last Wednesday or Thursday. We just received our bills today. Okay. So
they're going to be prepared over the next few days for mailing and then they get mailed in bulk. So the plan is to have them all mailed in bulk by uh Thursday and that that the grace period is then extended to August 31st which is
more than the 25 days. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. Um do I have a motion to approve it? >> Motion second. Allison please have a roll. Paul yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. So I think yes.
>> Yes. Uh thank you. Um next up is department reports June 2026. Um do I have a motion to accept but thank you? >> We do. But I want to point out we have fair first aid squad is newly added their activity. They had 35 responses in
June and we'll see that in the packet every every meeting and I'd like to make a motion to accept with a thank you. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. >> Anyone opposed? >> Thank you. Uh, next up is the good of the burrow portion of the meeting. Please stand and identify yourself by
clearly stating your name and address for the record. Please observe a time limit 3 minutes. Is there anyone with the good of the burrow? A quick thing. Planning board is working through the master plan. We're having our open house on September 17th. Um, that'll be the
first of two. The second one will be sounds like January. It's going to be the community center from 7 to 9, I believe. Um we thank you for the survey results. We encourage people to go to the open house and get us feedback through
>> and uh to dovetail on that report the um you all received a an outline schedule over graphic schedule. This is for public trans. It gives a nice sort of overview of the process and a timeline
and Also, but anyway, this is this is a useful um tool to guide public in the master process takes you have an opportunity to attend the open house as council just mentioned and um um a sort of book openhouse will take place after January
and along the way of course you can participate in any of the processes through attending the plan for the meetings. Um I also have one other good bird. Um the 21 advisory committee met uh most
recently two weeks ago or thereabouts. Um it was the consensus some urgency attached to it to undertake a parking circulation analysis as to um uh the development of a foot park which not yet been designed. But we need to
understand the sort of flexed the the friction within the neighborhood and how best to um mitigate that as we consider design solutions at 21. So the advisory committee is seeking the support of council to go ahead and hire
the appropriate professionals and um Chris I think maybe you can round that out a little bit. >> Sure. So we're looking to do a parking and circulation study um to hire one of our onstaff professionals uh engineering firms. we look to put an RFP. We actually have a meeting tomorrow to discuss a potential RFP. Uh what we're
looking for is support from the council um to go ahead and um again maybe we do a stipulation where they with a with a cap amount on how much to spend uh but for a parking circulation study for Fair Haven Road near um historic district um
and 21 Fair Haven Road as well as uh the Normandy Park as well. And we do have funds available both for the Normandy and also both for 21 Fair Haven Road to pay for that. >> I neglected one important observation which was um explains the urgency. The advisory committee felt very strongly
that we needed to have some of these summer the analysis that it would result from summer use of that neighborhood. >> Not necessarily limited to what's happening at 21 now, but the dock um the marina Normandy neighborhood as a whole.
there's probably some opportunities. So the proposal we would be looking for from the um professionals would be not just to analyze what exists but also to entertain some suggestions for how to best capitalize on opportunities that
may or may not exist on a regulatory level or even a capital improvement level if that's something the council wanted to consider after the findings are presented. But um we need to act with pace if we're going to get any kind of summer analysis. So, I hope the council will consider this. I personally
consider it a priority. Um, we just now since the last run of funds were approved, we do have funding to release to pay for some of this, which is important because up till now we've been stockpiling these funds to serve as our match for other grant applications. And now some of those funds can be released
>> funding earmarked for 21 Fair Road and we could use them towards soft costs, which this is correct. >> And we could also use some of we also have funding available for deority as well. So, um, we could also use some of that funding. >> I I want and I do want to remind everyone when we had the that community,
that neighborhood in here, um, somewhat similar meeting to tonight and, um, they were very concerned with the traffic flow situation. Um, we did make a commitment to them that we would do a traffic study for this for this park. So, um, I'm I'm in support. Obviously,
I'd like to know the cost, but like I think we're basically asking since we want to do it for the summer. >> Yeah. Um, does everyone up here agree? Uh, do we have a it's a meeting tomorrow? >> We have a Yeah, we have a we have a one o'clock um planning meeting to discuss the RD proposed RFP that we um discussed
from the committee. So, be with the chief of police engineer and myself. >> You have any idea what the cost is? >> So, Rich and I talked about it's like roughly probably what 10 15 >> maybe 20. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I would say 15 is probably um you
know a fair number. >> It might be a little bit more but not less I don't think. >> Do we want do we want to prove it not to exceed 15? >> And and I'd like to throw out there that we've been very successful with grant dollars for this project. We and we expect
>> you never know to continue to be successful grant dollars. So I don't I don't necessarily see this as money being funible where we spend it here and we can't spend it somewhere else. I think and I think it's important for the neighborhood and for the project. And much like in a situation like this where
we're making promises to residents that we'll be flexible and continue to look out for their best interest, that's what we're doing here. We're fulfilling a promise we made two years ago. >> And just one thing to add too, um you we we were able to secure a lot of funding for this project and we have Stevens Institute of Technology working on the
concept plan. This parking circulation study also helped them put their concept plan together as well. So this is another document that helped form it. So, it's it's all going to good use. >> Mhm. I liked putting a cap on it, though. >> Yeah. I I think we put a cap at 15,000. That would be my recommendation. >> Does that feel like that will cover I I
would actually like it at minimum 20. Personally, I don't want to [laughter] >> if The only problem I have with putting a cap at 15 is if it comes in at 155, then it's over our cap and then we're going to miss the summer based on that situation. >> 25.
>> Do you have an idea? I don't want we have we have a timing issue. We're finally able to release some of the funds for soft. >> Yeah. >> Well, I'll use one of our work. We would have ideally done, you know, so >> I don't want to miss the opportunity. This is the window. Yeah.
>> Do you think we'll get multiple bids? >> Well, we don't have to go out. Do we have >> No, we'll be using one of our professional engineers, either the Jerry or Avakian, which are two um appointed engineering firms. >> Well, then if we set the bid higher, then they're going to bid up to the
ceiling 15. >> I think I think 15's fair anyway. So, I don't see. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that we didn't have to do >> the promised make it 15. And we know we get a 1499.
>> Yeah. And and our and our two professionals have already supplied what their rates were when they were appointed this year. So we know what the rates are and um we can we can scope the RFP so that we can come in with that number. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Here I'm gonna ask the public to make a
motion. >> Um Alison, you think we need a motion there or >> Yeah. I have electronic motion >> that we proceed with request for proposals from our inhouse engineers for
parking circulation study for um 21 >> not to exceed amount 15 local or all in favor in favor. All >> in favor? Anyone opposed? >> Thank you. Uh anyone in the public for the good of the burrow?
Fair enough, Marty. Allison, >> no one placed their hand up. >> Wow. All right. Um All right. So, we're going to move towards adjournment. Um
time is 9:31 p.m. Do I have a motion? >> All in favor? >> Anyone opposed? >> Uh next council meeting is Monday, August 17th, 2026. Good night. Thank you. >> So thank you real quick.
>> We need executive