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having been given. The clerk is directed to include the state in the minutes of this meeting. Also, may I please have a roll call? >> Paul, yes. Missy, >> yes. >> Griffin, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Olson >> here. >> We have administrator Gordon Turning
Element, Lieutenant Dystra, CFO Jordan, Engineer Gella, and DPW Director. >> Thank you. Right into Fair Library Foundation. We have a presentation. >> Okay. >> Hi everyone. I'm Ali McGee at 26 Beach
Place. >> You did great. >> Um I'm also the president of the board of trustees for the library. And my job tonight is to quickly just catch you up because I spoke to you about a year ago about the library's hope to renovate.
Um, and we have some exciting updates tonight. So, if you recall, we created um a fundraising grant for the library, the friends of the Fair Haven Library 501c3. Um, special thanks to Lzelle because she really formulated that for
us. Um, and basically the purpose of the Friends of the Fair Haven Library was to create funding or to help gain funding for the library going forward for years. Um, with the initial purpose of fundraising for a renovation project for
the furnishings for a new library. Our library is well attended. It is such a community hub now. There's so much new energy and life in there. Um, and we really wanted kind of the aesthetics to match the new energy
that's there. So, um, we decided that the best approach was to do a community appeal. So, we wrote a letter back to the community. Um, and the community was overwhelmingly supportive. And I'm happy to say tonight that we have raised over
$100,000 in the last eight months, nine months. Um, we made sure that we like were attending farmers markets. We attended a lot of the holiday activities so that the community sort of knew who we were and what our purpose was. Um, and we were successful. We met our goal
to fund the furnishings for the library. Um, and we pretty much catches you off as to where we are. So Jenny Lever and Anita O'Brien, our library employees are going to catch you off on kind of some of the decisions that they've made for the
renovation project. So I got in touch with Creative Library Concepts, which is a company in Manaliban. Um, pretty local and they have done they're part of Mammoth County Library Headquarters renovation out in
Manalapan because they're right there. And I spoke with Heidi Amichi this morning. She's the assistant director out there and she said, "Oh yes, Glenn, who was came here several times who we were dealing with." Great review. Anyway, we got in touch with Creative.
Um, they also did work at Little Silver, which you all know I also run Little Silver Library and they did great work there. They made custom shelving for us, you know, wooden bookends, all sorts of things. So, we got a hold of them. They've been out here, I would say, four
or five times already measuring, discussing finishes, you know, nailing down what we really need and the cost and everything. So, we do have the renderings up here. I hope you can see it of what the new space will kind of
look like. Stark kind of appearance, but you'll get the idea. >> And we're we're ready to go. We have the money. We had monies saved from the prior uh library administration. So, we're
ready to go. Do >> you want to flip through maybe Alice in some of the different slides? The the goal in this um for the aesthetic was to really pay homage to the nav to the charm of our seas um you know beach sort
of aesthetic. So, glues, whites, uh, light woods. Um, we also wanted to open the space up. We'll have, you know, upwards of 60 little ones with their caregivers at any Tuesday story time. And we needed to make sure to just be
able to open the space. So, all the tables that you see right now um are collaborative tables. They are on wheels so that we can either break them apart if people are individually studying or with a tutor but also come together for
committee meetings which a lot of uh groups around town will come into the library to either sit down and look over plans or discuss together. Um they can be brought together collaboratively as well for all of our workshops that we do both creatively and otherwise. You can
see that the uh computers have been brought down. They're now facing what will be the new circulation desk um right there so that we can see and keep an eye on and they're both obviously lower to the ground. We've had, you know, um not only um some of our older
patrons, but kids on those wobbly high stools. It's been pretty unsafe. Um as Ally mentioned, the response from the public was overwhelming. We had little notes put in with some of uh the people that uh sent in either their checks or
or ven mode. And one of the notes said, "I'm so glad that you're doing this. Um the library looks the same as when I first got my library card back in 1967." And she was not long. Um so, um so just
it's not only aesthetics, but it's for the user accessibility for everyone. um more comfort level for every age of um patron who uses our library. As you can see, we have um some new love seats and chairs um that will be perfect for our
knitting club and our book club um collaboration to come together comfortably. Um and then the children's section um that you'll see we're we're using um and we'll pass these around as well. This is sort of like to touch and
feel the color scheme of um our the most of the shelves will be white with sort of a a bluish gray um shelving inside. Um they'll be a lot sturdier, a lot safer. We've had some incidents with
shelves kind of falling on patrons over um the past uh little bit. So, this is going to be like a lot safer. Um, again, a lot more open, uh, a lot a lot more for display and, um, you know, certain
things in the kids sections. Right now, it looks a little bit sort of barren, maybe not full of as much color and life. Um, but we'll be bringing in a lighthouse, um, bookcase that lights up. We have um nautical flags that we're going to be hanging like along the
ceiling and other touches with, you know, rugs and so forth that will bring a little more oomph to this space. But otherwise, we have mural painted along this >> the center blocks at the top like a river scene to incorporate the river. And also, I want to point out those
tables. They flip up vertically so we can get them out of the way. If we're having a big program, we can push them to the side. And they're also gonna have the electrical um >> chargers the cell phones >> so that people can either charge their
phones or laptops when they're working on it and they'll be right there. >> And you can also put them together, right? So create one like you can reconfigure it to what your needs are. And also on the end caps there of the children's shelves. Can you show that Alison? Um there are these cute little
um >> activity panels. >> Yeah. interactive uh kind of like sometimes what you see at a doctor's office when it's like get the you know dolphin to the other side or what is the highest you know pier that the seagull is standing on. So there's some
educational value but also um bringing it lower for the little ones. And we will be what it's not these are not on this rendering because creative library concepts will not be supplying them. But we are currently going to be keeping the children's tables and chairs because
they're incredibly sturdy. They've worked well for the time being and we thought that that was a great way to save a little bit of money. So, you don't see those now, but they will basically be in front of um those end caps as of right now. And this is the new office. >> Sorry. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, that's my office. >> Yeah, the new office. Children's librarian will sit facing me. She comes one day a week and then anybody else that has to go in there. But it's a lot more storage. >> Um right now there's no it's just not
it's not what we >> working. Yeah. Yeah. But this is going to be so much better. Everything will have a place. >> And I I just want to say that from community members, your neighbors, your friends, they really stepped up. Every
little bit counted. And some people came in with, you know, just a little that they were able to give. Some people came in with, you know, whopping big, you know, big donations. But the breath that we saw from h half of the people I was like I I don't even recognize this name
as as being someone who comes into the library. They don't even have an account here, but they're just a member of our community and they know how important it is to everyone. Or they'll say like, "Oh, you know, I used to come in so often when my kids were little, and I know that you guys are doing so much
now, and I'm I'm kind of coming back. Can I, you know, re-engage my library card?" And we're like, "Yes, let's, you know, welcome back." Um, >> yeah. or they see all the programs we're doing, they want to come to a watercolor class or, you know, whatever it is, their grandchild comes to story time and
they come back and they see what's happening. So there's I've never seen anything like it. I mean, the amount of response in such a short period of time was amazing. >> Great. So, thank thank you very much and I'm sure everyone's going to say thank you. But before we get to questions for
you, >> another portion of this project obviously is the non-f furniture maybe less on the design side, more the walls and electrical. Why don't we hear from Rich and that incorporates in the project, then we can come back with any questions we have. All good. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Good evening. So throughout this process, I've been engaged with with all these folks kind of walking through what their >> design and vision is going to be. And
Nick and myself and Chris, we came in with with with the scope of saying, "All right, what do we need to do to get there?" Obviously, we got to renovate the space. So, I put together an action plan, which we've all reviewed several
times, and it it takes it from taking the books off the shelves, boxing things up, purging everything out, you know, having DPW come in and get rid of the old uh items that are no longer needed like bookshelves, um some of the older
furniture, circulation desk, the checkout counter, >> all the other items that aren't needed. And then uh when we went when we brought this to you, I think it was back in December of last year, um we thought we
may have to bring an architect in to to help with design and create a bid bid specification to put this out to bid. But looking at the scope of the work, we said, you know, we can do this in house. We can we can create the scope. And what
I did was I went on the various co-op websites and I found vendors, contractors that do libraries, they do schools, institutions, um, university work that provide all of
this, the painting, the flooring, the ceiling, the lighting, the HVAC. So what I started to do is assemble actual costs. So, I have estimates and basically the scope of the work, like I mentioned, is we're going to empty the room. We're going to take all the
ceiling tiles out. We're going to paint the existing grid. We're going to replace the acoustic ceiling. We're going to paint the walls. We're going to install new flooring. We're also going to include the lobby outside um in the administrative offices when you walk in is the same type of ceiling. We're going
to get rid of the large um diffusers that are in there for the HVAC. We're going to upgrade the HVAC, the existing HVAC from 1997. So, a little little past to its uh life expectancy.
We're going to do any IT upgrades. I met with our in-house IT department from Freehold. I also met with Mammoth County IT because Mammoth County supports the library. So, I need to make sure those two folks are on the same page with what we need to do because, as they had
mentioned, they're moving their workstations. They're getting rid of certain things. Right now, when you look under the desks, the wiring is like spaghetti. It's all getting cleaned up. It's going to get done professionally. It's going to be tucked away the way it needs to be. It's going to be secure.
Um, Nick and I met with an HVAC technician. They did a full audit of the system. They gave us pricing to replace the HVAC, upgrade the duct work. Their office currently does not have proper
air flow. It's it it's either freezing or very hot depending on what season it is. And the same goes around the lobby because that system is tied to that HVAC system. Along the way, we said, "Well, if we're replacing the system with all
the energy incentives, we found a possible incentive that we can get the JCPNL, um, which could be up to $6,000 for the HBAC. We're now also working with the lighting rep to do an energy audit because when you replace lighting,
especially with high efficiency lighting, there's some money rebate. There's some rebates you can get back. So, we're we're looking at doing all that as well. And we're doing this all parallel as part of this project. So things are still moving, but these things can be done now. So we know once
we start um putting POS or or um initiating work, everything is is in the works. Um the other piece of it too and the one thing we talked about is I believe there's no secure there's no um I don't
know if you want to talk about the panic button or security or or there's something >> something where um and Allison don't you guys have those in your office? >> Yeah we have one but I don't know where >> Okay. So we we need to all
>> I don't think we should even talk about it. >> Yeah, I hope so. >> Um so anyway, my task was to get get the room ready so when CLC comes in, they can do their full install, get the bookshelves and all the furniture. So
having said that, costwise, when we brought this to you back in December, I believe our numbers were >> that's somewhere close to almost 300. Yeah, 250 to 300. So now that we have the real numbers through the co-op
um just running through quickly painting which includes the the grid 125 flooring which is the LVT which they they have requested which is luxury vinyl tile 21 ceiling tiles 105 the HVAC is a larger
number because there's a lot there um that's about 50 electrical um I'm waiting on final numbers product placeholder for 15 it upgrades 10 I threw some miscellaneous in because we may need a dumpster we may need you know
there's unforeseen things 7500 bucks plus contingencies 10% we're at just north of 141 >> now just add just to add to it you know without the if we were to leave the HVAC as it was we're looking at roughly about between 85 and 90 um because of the age
of that HVAC was going to be 30 years next year and the fact that it lasted this long we're going to start taking the room apart. It's it's time to do it now because if we don't replace it now, we'll be tearing the room apart two years from now, replacing the HVAC. So, it's better to get ahead of it. You know, the the extra time we we that
we've gotten with that system. Um you know, I said we've done quite well with it. So, without the HVAC system, again, you look at 8590. Um I would certainly recommend that we go with the HVAC system. I recommend it too because the HVAC also includes redoing the duct work
and and balancing that room out better with the proper coverage including their their office space. So >> So that's where we are at pricing. Um so 14142 if we round up say 150 tops
>> from what? I'm sorry 250 >> from 250 to 150 now. >> Yeah. Um, where would this be paid from? >> So, this would come out of facilities. Currently, we have about $690,000 left in facilities. So, this be paid out with
what we have left in facilities. >> Is Nancy here? >> She is here. Yes, Nancy. >> Yep. >> Nancy, does that are we are wealthy minus the 150 in that in that account if we need to use it for other things? Is
there any concern with the number? what else may have in mind. There's there's a decent amount in there. So, and this is something that needs to be done. So, it all depends on what else has in mind. >> And just one thing to keep in mind, too,
um we still have not I mean, we're getting it, but they have still yet to deposit the uh $1.25 million grant into our account. I was literally just in communications with them uh last week. We should be getting that soon. Um there's been some delays there. So that's not including that. That will be
deposited in that account as well. So we have not included that in that number, but that money is due to hit our accounts probably this week or next. >> Okay. on on the on the duck work, you know, the HVAC. I I assume when you say that you're talking about the unit that actually the >> condenser condenser outside of that the
duck work, is it because of that ugly thing that's in the middle of the room or is it >> you basically have to redo all the duck work in the ceiling and because of the way there's a main trunk line. So, we would have to refeed everything and then chase it back and
make sure we have proper returns as well. So pushing cold or hot air is one thing. It's you have to have proper circulation and that's one thing we realize that needs to be up >> right now. It doesn't >> it doesn't. So my only other question, timeline. If
we were if we were to say this sounds great, you know, >> timeline. >> Well, from a constructibility standpoint, as I mentioned, most of the contractors that have the co-op pricing, they're already in contract with schools
for the summer to get all that done by Labor Day. So I think the timing is such based on the lead time of the furniture which is >> six to eight weeks they've given us or say >> but they can hold things in their
warehouse for as long as >> we can get everything lined up and you know >> and >> so just to add real quick the co-op that we're using is the oesc co-op um which we're a member of and they again they primarily do work in schools and libraries and because they're familiar
with this type of work but school libraries, they seem to be the best fit and the pricing was certainly competitive on it. But as Rich said, most of their work that they do for school is summertime. So, and you know, timeline would probably be fall, which would fall in line when their equipment is going to be delivered. So,
>> and most of the work is going to be quick when the room is empty. They'll they'll get in and out of their'll be done in a couple nights or a couple days. It's not a a big deal. >> So, are we closing the library for a couple nights? Is that storing books? So
I remember that was like an expensive is that included in what you raised or is that an expense that we haven't included on our end is >> so what we had anticipated for storage of books was to use um we have the room in the back here the reading room which can store significant number of the books and then whatever overflow that we
can't fit in there we would store in bysentennial hall up on the stage again we're talking a short period of time there is an exorbitant fee for book storage um which I think would be again that would come out of their fundraising I think that'd be cost prohibited to them. I'd rather see them spend that money, but we had the space for it. Um
the only um thing that we're waiting and I know Anita was going to look into it as far as who's going to move the books and I believe the county library does have uh staff that can move the books. We're not storing the furniture that's being discarded. So, we're just storing books. Obviously, >> well, we're going to pack up all the
books. The county can give us the boxes. >> We might have to get more, but I thought DPW was going to remove the books. >> We we we talked about that option as well. >> Yeah, we could. Yeah, we will. We can discuss. >> I think the county has >> they don't have vans or anything that can move it. >> Uh, doubtful.
>> We can Yeah, we can we can discuss that. But regardless, we wouldn't have a storage fee related to the books. >> Betsy remove books already. >> I didn't hear the amount of time though. I mean, you said 6 to8 weeks, but what is >> 6 to 8 weeks is the time for delivery of
the furniture once they place the order. Um, Rich can tell you as far as >> construction time. So going this route, basically we're basically project management. We're like the GC. So we would have to
line up the the painter, actually the painter, the flooring guy, and ceiling tiles are all one contractor, but we also have to get the HVAC guy in. We got to get the electrician in to start, you know, roughing all that in.
Um, I haven't put a timeline together, but I can't I would say 30 to 45 days. >> That's my answer. >> You're saying closed down. >> Um, I think that's what we kind of talked about. If all goes well and
everybody gets >> because you need time to dismantle it, you need time to pack it up and then you know obviously once the the room's gutted then you have to get the contractors in and you have to line them up and then and then once that work is done then their um their contractor can put all the furniture in.
>> Will you will you have another site for the book club and the knitting club and so on and reciprocity with little silver or something? >> Yeah, I'm not sure. and the community's there. >> Community center. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I think from a a book perspective, we would encourage, you
know, patrons to go to the eastern branch, the main eastern branch, which they would be able to um, you know, take books out of and so forth. I think for any um collaborative like workshops that we still do, I mean, we would still be potentially ending our uh summer reading
program. I mean, I know the beginning of school is not sort of an ideal time to necessarily have the uh library shut down. Um, but I think we would use we don't necessarily need to be in the space to still maintain um just the idea
of community that we've developed in the library. So, we would still meet our book club like you said maybe in uh you know the community center bysentennial hall. Um, we would still have the knitting club, you know, meet on, you know, every Thursday. Um, still potentially.
>> Yeah. You might even want to partner with the local business or two who has seating and space to host some of those programs that you want to run like. >> Yeah. And once we Yeah. We had the dates um Betsy volunteered at her house, too.
And once we uh once we have the date set up um you know obviously you know we can whether it's five Centennial Hall community center or hybrid of both um we can get that notification out. We can set a schedule. We can put on our burough calendar. The library can put on their calendar and you know we can set up the hybrid programs whether it's the
children's library time in the morning you know so it's not going to be a hard shutdown for 45 to 60 days. We'll still have programs available and we'll still have places to meet. Maybe not on a daily basis, but we could certainly have it, you know, maybe a couple times a week to try to get the important stuff done.
>> I would still see like our Tuesday story time happening with the children's librarian bringing music and books and bubbles and so forth to whatever. >> Yeah. >> No exchange of books that basically they're going to be packed up and we all
have computers. >> Yeah, that's still operate. But yeah, if they if somebody wants to check out a book, they're going to have to go to Eastern Branch. >> Um, before we get to other questions here, that's it for me. I fully support.
You guys have brought such a fresh uh breath of life into the library. You have no idea. I feel it. Everyone feels it. Um, from me to you. Thank you so much. >> Yeah. I I remember um some of us from
the day about five years ago and our some of the staff who were here at that time too talked about >> talked about um basically reducing library services and sort of turning down the volume on the library and
Kristen you'll hear that I remember we were like >> you know but rising to the actually making it happen. Um, I I'm so grateful for everything that you were able to do and you've been such a
terrific powerhouse here and honestly the team you guys I've been talking about the programs that you do in the business community because I think that there's a natural um collaboration. So maybe if it is 45 days and we pull a band-aid off, there's lots of things that can't happen. Maybe there'll be new
um, you know, new collaboratorship. Yeah, absolutely. >> A win-win for everyone. Um, that's said and I'll help with that and comes, but >> I love what you've presented. I'm particularly pleased you brought the samples because when I first looked at this I thought because we got black and
white and um I was really concerned about the soul and feel of this space and that you know and you mentioned there's going to be rugs because need a soft place to curl up together and you know I'm happy to hear all the things
that you said that answered my addressed the things that I kind of was concerned about honestly. Um, so I'm thrilled with your leadership, thrilled with the programs that you've put together. I love what this is calling for. I I will say I might miss the round table.
>> There's something about a round table in the middle of the room that pulls people together. >> Yeah. >> And just leave that thought for you and your >> son. It's like, oh, I'd like to Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's just harder to kind of bring them
together. >> First of all, thank you. And as Tracy said, seeing the samples brings it really to life for us and we get a feel for what the colors, what the textures are going to be. So, thank you very much for that. I just I actually I this
question is more for Rich. >> Um, what happens when you start working on the electric and the HBAC and you find out that it kind of reaches out into all parts of Burough Hall? Do we cover that? Do we do we have
>> So >> you know what I mean by like all this you know how one bit I thinking bigger problems I heard other problems and and it's all connected it's all under the same >> well this building has three zones so there's a separate unit just for the
library and that h and one supply in the lobby. So before I brought the HVAC tech in, I got we got a ladder. I went up in the ceiling. I chased everything back. I went in the boiler room. I verified everything. I shut units on and off and
double and triple checked everything. And and they saw me doing it all. And >> um so I'm pretty I'm very confident with the HVAC. >> Great. >> And the electrical is we're just moving a couple things around. So it's not overly complicated.
>> Great. >> Thank you. And thank you. >> So great, great job. It looks fantastic. Um, fully supported. Uh, but I want to thank you on behalf of taxpayers. It seems like everyone is is keeping taxpayers top of mind between the
fundraising, the in-house work, the nose for grants. I think that's fantastic. Um, I just love that that's sort of part of the way we we do things here and it doesn't mean any kind of compromise on the project. >> I have a question for Nancy.
So this is there's two steps, right? The authorization and then the actual raising of the cash >> for the library. >> Yeah. >> Um no, >> the our our part the 14. >> I understand. Yeah. >> No. Uh this would be part of because they are been bur. They would fall under
the portion of the ordinance that is that includes Burough Hall. So we wouldn't need an additional ordinance authorization. You already have that for for work in girls. >> Okay. So, the authorization is there and then the actual cash is that going to
have to be a ban or do we have no again we did some for uh the mayor had asked about but we still have funds available in our facilities. >> So, that's more than >> we included borrow um so there shouldn't be we shouldn't really need anything additional.
>> So, none of that. Great. Thank you. >> Yep. Just real quick, since Nancy, since you're up, I just want to clarify one thing, too. Do we need a resolution for that PO or can we use it off the existing ordinance? >> Once we get the quotes, we'll need a res. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we'll still need to go through that. Um, even with the regular
ordinance, we still So, we'll get the quote. So, we'll have to have a resolution for authorization for purchase on the next year. >> And I'll have to have certification of funds showing where it's coming from. >> All right. So, we'll have that off for 22nd if the governing body approves this tonight.
>> I just want to say thank you for all you've done. This is really amazing. I'm so excited for everyone that we found and just hit it out of the ballpark. I love the design and everything. Um, I do want to just say, so you're saying September because no one said a month specifically. Are we looking at
September, October? Is that what I'm hearing? based on what you know we talked to these vendors four to six weeks ago >> with anticipation of coming here they they mentioned they're already working
in schools there's so much work out there booked projects are in the queue and obviously they've got hard deadlines to get things done by you know one one vendor said I'm already working at Brookdale usually I don't start this early but I got to get it done so they
said from a timing persp perspective, you're probably looking at early fall, though I would think September. >> And and just to add one thing, we can't obviously till we have a PO cut, we can't schedule anybody. So, we wouldn't So, again, pending the governing body approval, we wouldn't have this on till
July 22nd. July 22nd. Um, July. Yeah. What's the next meeting in June? June 22nd. Thank you. I'm pushing the months away. Um, so June 22nd wouldn't be on for that meeting. So we wouldn't be able to the earliest we should call be the 23rd.
>> Uh no thank you. It looks incredible by the way. Um great job for all the work. You know one thing I would offer maybe I missed it or I haven't seen admittedly the list of programs but uh you know today's modern library like is there innovation any innovation they
have AI type stuff or stuff or >> not AI yet. Okay. Although I do attract >> 3D printers that >> I I would just offer think about that right just to attract >> you know even if it's resume building workshops you know I heard a lot of
younger audiences but >> you know I have older teenage girls that they don't library >> now we don't get a whole lot of teenagers in so that might be an >> attract stuff you know a good idea today's >> resume building you know that's a good one >> but thank you
>> yeah we'll look into that I I mean, as soon as we get our new facility, we'll be able >> and yes, thank you again and congratulations. I I try to library. I have small little girls and I love what you guys and I appreciate all the hard
work that everyone has done to get this to fruition. Um, and thank you for explaining the carpets and all the soft stuff because when I did get this, I'm like, where's the cuteness that was there? Yeah, it'll it'll be there. It's just this basic
>> foundation has to be put in. >> Got it. >> Oh, yeah. We're going to have >> congratulations. Thank you. >> The one thing I I wanted to >> add, Rich, >> very resourceful. >> Yeah, >> you did an excellent job bringing this
into the realm of reality and making us comfortable. Um was creative, resourceful, and very smart. >> And he was in our library. Uh constantly we got this done quickly. >> I was almost on their payroll.
>> Yeah, he got it done quick. Yeah, >> which is what we ask. >> There you go. >> Um >> uh thank you to the whole committee, former liaison, anyone that was involved. These are a lot of our friends right here behind that made it happen
staffed our events and yeah >> definelli >> resounding yes >> yes >> yes >> yes >> yes >> congratulations This has been a real
>> it's not >> and as Councilman Griffin wanted, we're going to go right into the proposed AI mind. Okay. >> So, um, >> thank you. >> Just just to give everyone up here a
little bit an idea of why I put this out there. Um, I've been reading some news stories local to us. Mammoth County, um, HSL recently passed a uh, ordinance to ban these AI senders within their
municipality. Um, I don't know if you've seen what's happened with JCPNL. >> Yes, >> they've opened up some giant electric um, poles, metal, wood, everything >> looks like made by some people are making allegations that they're
preparing at some point for the data centers the I don't have that much expertise in them but from reading up on them obviously they make a lot of noise um I think they use a lot of water obviously a ton of electricity we're in a very small town you know I don't think
that they would ever in any situation be appropriate for fair haven um and I just want to get ahead of it before some sort of private entrepreneur I wouldn't think they would think of fair haven or why even give them the idea So, um, I don't have language for you today. I think I'm just trying to make
sure that everyone also agrees with that concept. If they did, we would ask, uh, Christina and Andrew to put together some formal coordinates for us. Um, >> I is it may I ask a question? Sure. So, I did see the alarming things that I'm
glad you raised it. what the data centers I mean I think of this as a big uh sl fair haven but you're also raising a concern about feeder lines and the infrastructure that would be to supply
whatever wherever it is would they need to go to fair haven to supply the electric and the power and the infrastructure >> yeah I I you know I don't know how how it needs to be worded I don't know if we could also I guess there's some concern too that I'm sure some lines run through
fair and to go to other municipalities. So, I don't know if there's any um language we can put in to prevent that as well. I'm not sure what we can do about that. But the uh at the end of the day, the one thing I'll say is as um
Kevin just pointed out, things change very quickly. Now, the data centers are very big. In the future, technology might change and they might be small and they still might make the same noise. So, I think, you know, we want to get ahead of it. I guess future governing bodies could always
>> overrule us if things change and they're not making noise and they're environmentally friendly at that point and they can change the ordinance, but I think until then, we should have something on the books that prevents it from creeping into fair. >> I know that we're at the mercy of the
BPU. There's so much uh you know infrastructure takes precedent over everything but I would like us to be as firm in our language projecting very as possible.
>> So um I I just ordered a book called AI stable which is a skeptical view of AI. So just have that as context but I'm I'm hesitant. >> I've read that book. Have you
by my professor? Um I haven't read it yet, but I I would I would like to suggest we pause a little or focus on the problems. So noise, water usage, maybe electricity rather
than AI data centers. And what's making me say that? Well, partly the libertarian streak, but also I think this is a battle of United States versus other countries. And it to me it feels like we kind of want to do
as much as we defend us as a country. Doesn't mean that's imperative. Um so I would if there's a way to thread that needle and focus on we don't want loud. We don't want massive >> we don't want and if that happens to be
a giant data center then so be it. But if there's a way to do AI data center that doesn't use a lot of water and is quiet and is small, I guess I would be okay with that. I don't I don't know if there's a way to to thread that needle. >> Well, we could s we could do two things, mayor, for consideration just to keep
the conversation going because these aren't usually one and done as we've learned, but it would be good to get more information. What sort of benchmarks are out there? Christina, I'm looking at you because there might be it wouldn't be good for us to just familiarize oursel with the language and tools that are available to us.
>> I agree. I think that a lot of municipalities are exploring the same type of situation at the moment. Um I've seen a lot uh focus on largecale data centers. So, if um the council would like I can compile some local uh
ordinances that have been either passed or discussed and maybe we can brainstorm the the differences from >> I think it's great to be thinking about now at a time. That's fantastic. >> Can I just say one thing? If you think
back to the 80s, those of you that remember, the initial data centers, the initial computing centers would fill up this room. And today, it's the size of your phone. So, just because the data centers are huge now, it required a lot
of power and water to operate, 20 years from now, we could be looking at a totally different animal. So, >> so I agree. My concern is if that happens, Homebell's still going to have these giant metal things in the ground
and these giant um telephone poles. And that's that's what I think ultimately >> because >> you don't know what's going to happen. >> You don't know what's going to happen. opinion. >> I'm not I'm not as familiar with how they work, but you're saying the lines
could already be going through or they potentially do the lines themselves take up the electricity and the water like if it's going through us >> the servers take up troops >> the but I'm wondering like if the lines are just going through Fair Haven is that pulling from our resources just out
of >> Yes. Because because if obviously let's say if they're using if our substation that happen to be on our grid Yeah. It's going to pull power substation which in turn may require JCPNL to upgrade our substation you know to be able to take
on you know that kind of demandation I I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to live or work next to that level of electricity I don't know >> New Jersey all the warehousing it will come there'll be micro data centers here there has to be but power is the main
reason that um it'll come through our town. We won't have data center. >> Yeah. >> But it'll be a intersection of power lines, >> you know, to help the power grid. >> Can we regulate outside of >> Yeah. No, I was going to say I'm I would be in favor of doing something.
>> I think we do have time though. I think that the governor just put a moratorum on anything that's like over a certain capacity for the time being. So, I don't know exactly when that's set to expire, but it is relatively new that she she put a moratorum on anything new to be constructed. I don't think anything's
going to be coming through Fair Haven in the, you know, relatively near future. >> So, we have time to to brainstorm and figure out what's best for the for the burough. >> Could we work with Little Silver and Rumson and possibly Breadbank, the surrounding towns to see if they would be interested in doing an ordinance like
this to protect kind of us? >> Yeah. >> Even maybe Sebrite so any towns that kind of jump through us. >> Great. Good point. That's a good idea. Can we regulate the size of telephone poles and transformer organizations? I >> no because they do not they don't pump
those for permits. That's all regulated by the board of public utilities. So they would determine whether or not they're allowed to do it or not. We could probably certainly petition them. I just don't know how much they would really listen to us. >> Write letters. >> So it's in public that we support them
not to we can get ahead of it. That's kind of, you know, I I love the fact that it sounds like the governor put a moratorum, but I also want to move forward, make sure, >> especially middle. >> Yeah. I don't I don't want to be three or four months from now and be like, "Oh, we didn't do anything since then."
So, if you could get something to us, >> and I mean, something to even think about. I mean, I mean, look at four poor mom. It's only, you know, two towns away from us, you know, between borders, little silver, it's an ocean port, it's an eaten town. That's pretty close to us. And if you know, some of that open space, they end up building data centers there. they're going have to pull that
electricity from somewhere and it's certainly going to affect our grid. So, it's something we should look into, but I do agree with Councilman Olsson. We do need to really explore it and educate ourselves if we're going to put something in writing that we do cover every, you know, possible liability that
could hit Bear Haven and uh and address it in an ordinance, you know, to, you know, to protect our community doesn't change as a result of it. Standing >> sounds good. Yeah. >> All right. Uh, next up, 2027 NJ do DOT grant program.
Sorry, Rich. >> Get my exercise. >> Okay. So, it's that time of year where DOT sent out a letter. Um, it's their annual letter for municipal aid, local aid. We typically submit for roadway
improvement. Last year we were funded for popppler. The year before was Cambridge. Those two projects are in the queue for design. Obviously, Care Haven Road phase one and two was funded through that that grant program as well.
So, what I like to do is kind of go back and take a look at the list of streets that we have. And then this year we were able to use we have the violytics program that Nick's department uses to um it's a it's a
>> AI system. It's an AI system through the iPhone and it's a windshield type. You know, they're in the guy's trucks and they can they can actually determine and rank the the paving or the the condition
and the the quality of the roadways. >> So, a few weeks ago, I sent Nick an email and said, "Give me your top five." And these two I picked a couple of those streets that were on that list. Um, one of the streets I had brought to you, I believe last year was Lynen Drive
and then I went and picked another one which was Lexington Avenue which is over, you know, on the other section of town. Um, both streets are good candidates, although the the scopes of work are slightly different. Obviously, Lexington
has sidewalk network and uh more of a a grid-like street system that we would we would stick to. And then Lynen Drive, we've been picking away at various improvements through the years. We took care of like the South Woodland area. We
had some utility work done. So, we had them do some additional paving and restoration to try to capture some of the challenges that we've been dealing with. And then even moving forward towards uh west towards Fair Haven Road.
Uh Fair Haven Road. We cleaned that up just through this last project. We did the Buttonwood and Park section there. I've kind of groomed it to get it ready for a mill and overlay. So the extent of work for Lynen is really remove and
replace the remaining sections of curb because that curving was done when the rubber oaks whatever phase that was. Um, that's all original. >> Uh, check everybody's driveway, you know, mainly, um, it's mainly just the
press curb. Some people have aprons, so we'll deal with those individually depending on what they have. And then any service walks that tie in. People have front walkways and things of that nature. And then basically come in and mill and pave. Now, the extent of that road is about
2,000 linear feet. So that would take you from basically just shy of Brookside Terrace all the way to Fair Haven Road and then speaking with with Nick and his folks. Um Brookide's in pretty bad
shape. The road is pretty deteriorated and we get a lot of wash out as it goes down. There's a there's a little crossing there. DOT has allowed us in the past to kind of um package two streets together. or we did it with Hance and Cooney for
example and the way Lynen goes it's kind of a continuation anyway so I think I could sell that as part of the grant writing um it just adds to the cost of the project so I can include it we could see well that's assuming we pick Lyndon I
can include it and see what the funding and then we can always kind of peel it off if you know so if we just did Lyndon like I mentioned mentioned um the bulk of it's a million in paving and then replacement of curbing that's about
$500,000 in today's dollars. Brookside would add another maybe 1251 150. So all in you're at about 650. If we shift gears and go over to Lexington much smaller street we're only looking
at um about a thousand linear feet. So, it's about half, maybe even a little less than a little less than half of the the length of Lynden, but you have extensive concrete work. You've got all the ADA up improvements we have to do. You've got all the sidewalk. You've got
all the driveways and then the curbing, milling, paving, and then there's additional striping because we have crosswalks and stopped intersections and all that. That project would be about 400. So we got 400 for Lexington, 500
for Lynden. If we include Brookside, that puts it to 650. Historically, we've been actually Barhaven's been very fortunate with the with the funds. Uh we've been one of the highest in Mammoth County getting the money. Um anywhere
between 275 and 350 is typically the range of what we get. There's no match. It's it's 100% grant. It's reimburseable. we do all the the paperwork after the fact. And um and also keep in mind my my estimates are
estimates. Um so I don't want to be the low bidder. So I want to tell you it's going to be this and then we put out to bid and hopefully we get a competitive bid like we have been and the numbers come in favorable.
So the grant is due July 1. It's all online. It's um been doing it for 30 years. It's not a it's not a heavy lift. Everything is populated already. So I just log into the state system and just enter rewrite the narrative and put in
the numbers. However, we do need a resolution supporting the project. So we have it here on workshop. Um we do have it listed as a consent agenda. We just I'm here to kind of speak to you about roadway selection, project selection.
>> Did engineering and DPW did you guys take this all apart? for the recommendation. >> We did. Yeah, we yeah, we presented this to the engineering committee uh last time we met and uh we discussed the five streets. We discussed the top two. Um also um I think Rich if you mentioned it
or not, but I think we should add it's important to add this as well. Um on top of Lexington and um Lyndon receiving, you know, the highest score um as far as um to be um to be to be refinished. Um the other portion too is on the side of town we haven't done a lot of work in
for a while too. um that section has not had a lot of work and I think it's probably a good idea that this next project is on a section of town that we haven't done road work in a while. So I think that's important as well. >> Which street? >> Either either Lexington or Lynon. >> Yeah.
>> You know that was that was uh the point about as well. The other thing too um when we talked when we got the biolytics program a year ago um we discussed having you know a more objective tool to um to support our findings when picking road projects and the program has
worked. It has been an objective tool and the fact that it actually supported a decision that our engineer had thought a year ago is this road was on the street a year ago on the system shows that the system really does work. So, we have the objective tool to determine that um is on a section of town that we
haven't done work on. Um it matches up with the engineers recommendation as well. Um so, I I think um either one of those streets would be a sound option for the um to apply for the grant. >> Can I ask you a question? >> Yes. >> Um regardless of which street we go
with, would it be possible to put the street that wasn't chosen at the top of the list for 28? We certainly could if that's what the governing body was looking for. Absolutely. We certainly could. >> Um I know I talked to Chris about this a little bit, but I know that LinkedIn was
having some drainage issues. Yes. As well. So this is that is in this code as well. >> So we have um periodically we deal with and this has been going on for a number of years. Kemp Avenue intersection. Yeah. There's there's some type of bottleneck going on there. whether the
pipe's undized. >> We've had it cleaned, but every few years it it comes back. So, the benefit of doing Lynden is we we can do a a final, >> you know, fix on that. >> I earmarked a number for drainage
improvements for that to cover. Yeah. >> And just um out of curiosity, remind me, does Violytics also track any of the storm water um issues? Are we keeping track of that being violated? So is that I mean >> it tracks um physical like street signs,
locations of catch basins, manholes, things of that nature. It doesn't um I Nick does put in >> from time to time like problem areas. >> Yeah. and then workers. >> Yeah. But yeah, okay. >> Yeah, >> it's it's sort of GIS based, so you can
you can in input that information, >> but it does help um you know, form the work orders in the DPW. And again, it's a great objective tool to determine, you know, where needs are. And Nick can probably >> Yeah. So in addition to like the paving condition index where we're we have 26
center line miles in Fair Haven and uh you know the the the sweeper the garbage trucks or the the forage trucks or my vehicle as we're driving around we're constantly monitoring and taking a look at the pavement condition for cracking
longitudinal cracking transverse cracking potholes utility work and you know obviously you can't do it during the winter time but you know at certain times of here in the springtime, it it's constantly updating and uh re-evaluating the condition of our roads. Uh in
addition to the condition of the roads, we also use it to um map our assets. So our assets are our street signs uh in addition to our stormwater infrastructure and we're working with Ruters to use the Violytics
uh asset management to kind of map our stormwater infrastructure um to use as part of the MS4 permitting process. So it's it's been just about a year and we're still working on it. But uh you know overall we think it's uh it's another tool and it's allowing us to
bring technology into stuff that we were doing you know paperwise analytically before but it's allowing us to take it to the next level. >> And this is slightly off topic but I'm I'll call Nick out for a second. You know we were one of the um original users of the system. Um I Nick you know
I came here two years ago and could talk quite a bit about biolytics and why we needed it. Um I was at a uh a um missile managers conference and the missile manager Red Bank had showed me it and I was sold on it and um so we brought in we we revisited it and um since we was
one of the original users on the system, Nick has actually been invited to go to a forum in the next couple weeks to talk about you know the next upgrades to the system what they were looking for. So uh Fion is going to have a seat at the table as far as what the next upgrade of the system is and Nick's going to you know talk about a lot of his own user capabilities on it. Yeah, generally
speaking, the the program was set up as a pavement management system, but because of the uniqueness of the program, we're trying to use it for, you know, tracking our brush and leaf collection, tracking our winter, you know, storm activities, using it for work orders in, you know, various
different areas and parks. Um, we just talked about this week about mapping out our our irrigation system at Fair Haven Field. So, we have an ongoing working map of our irrigation system. So if there's problems and things that come up, you know, it's it's kind of slow to get everything up uploaded to the web
and into the internet and into the into the program. But the hope is that eventually we have this system and we can maintain it and make the uh necessary planning recommendations for treatment option via to our our roads or any of any any any of our other
infrastructure >> for making us proud. So you're going to he's going to be part of informing next stages of development in this. >> Yeah, they're they're asking questions. How are we using the program? How do we see how do we see, you know, the future of how to use it? How will that help us?
What can they do to kind of uh implement other programming or other, you know, parts of the program to benefit us and other communities and other municipalities. >> And then we've even been testing it where we just paved streets obviously in the last two weeks,
>> right? So then, you know, Nick and I spoke and said, "Why don't you guys go through >> ran back out there and we can double check and and Fair Haven Road was initially like the the pavement index system. It's like 0 to 100 like a A to B system and before
it was in the 30s and 40s and now it's, you know, up at the 90s and 100, you know, so and the color changes. It's like a heat map of the road system as well. So it's obviously now it's green and blue, not red and orange. That's fantastic. >> Do you need a um you need us to give you
direction on the street? >> Yeah. >> London. >> Lendon. >> London. >> Okay. So, we want to make a motion. >> I make a motion that we approve the >> resolutions. >> It's already just what >> do you need a um
>> I'm going to need >> for tonight or for um >> once you enter, let me know and I'll put it in. So for Lyndon, do you want me to include you? >> I could do Lyndon or do Lynden and Brookside a >> I would say.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then see what the grant comes in and where would our match or not match but where would the extra money come out for >> that project for when we get there I guess, right? See how much the grant is. see what the grant is and then um we're
in the process of going through >> all the older projects to see what's left. >> Yeah. And that's what they've been talking about as well. We've been there's a lot of old projects that still have um have ordinances open. Um we've been closing a lot of them out. So some of the funding could come from that as well. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um before we leave the subject of
the roads, I just want to put a question, a plot or plug, whatever you want to categorize it as, but it's um a high priority intersection at Nwood and um third hence no driveway and third and it's
brand new and it's complicated the partner with the school. That is what it is right now. Um but I just want to continue to highlight it. I don't think it actually fits this annual um funding mechanism, but I know it's a priority for Fair Haven and local families. So, I
just want to keep it on the radar. >> Rich designed that a few years ago and they said no. >> I designed it and I submitted it for a change order to the state when we did third street phase two >> and it was a change in scope
>> objection up here >> and that that could have been as well. Yeah, >> I don't recall that. incorporated reworking that whole entrance too. >> Yeah. >> The school >> the it's in the ATP as a priority interaction because of the pedestrian component spectly and it's that first
aisle at the end of third where we have so much pedestrian activities. >> So Hance believe it or not Hance was paved in 06 20 years >> and it's the pavements I don't know where it shows up in the violytics but it it's um
>> it's getting there. The only challenge is there's other streets that we need to get to >> that haven't been paved 20 years ago. So, >> I think this is almost maybe a different the transportation fund um uh that focuses more on pedestrian infrastructure
>> could be. Yeah, there's other those other programs. Yeah, >> I'll check it out. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Uh this is public comment on agenda items only. I am going to say three minute max, please. Um, public comment agenda. I'm telling anyone in the
public. >> Oh, sorry. I'm much like the New York Jets. I'm pointing bar code signs. >> All right. Um, we just we're not ready for it. >> Okay. >> Okay. Sorry. I forgot to say it. >> I didn't say it. >> Thanks. >> Hey, Dave. >> How are you?
>> Hi. Hi. Dave Bordal, 16 Colonial Court. I'm speaking here though in my capacity as the vice chair of the Fair Haven Natural Area Committee. Um on the agenda today, let's see where it is at. It is it looks like 133 resolution
regarding that intersection at Fair Haven and Ridge Road. Um we've been uh in the natural area. We've been chatting a bit today and we have three one question and I guess two kind of concerns. The first question is we are wondering about potential conflict with
green acres land use. So just wondering has the board has the county done you know worked with that? >> Aware they say that they're going to um approach the issue. Okay. >> The other question two other questions I guess or more comments. Um we were just
wondering about notification and coordination with the uh natural area. like we really didn't know this was on the agenda. So, we just appreciate if we get a little heads up beforehand so we could kind of plan and think about it. We did know that the uh town, excuse me, that the county was thinking about it,
but we didn't realize it was moving forward so quickly. >> Sure. So, all this is tonight is us uh providing support um and also Rumson is concurrently doing the same thing. So, the county knows, oh, we should look into this more. we should go ahead and
spend our money and do things like you just said, which is go check in green acres. Is this a possibility? Okay. >> Um, of course, everyone's going to be in the loop if it moves to the next step. Okay. >> Um, we're going to inform everyone every
single step of the way. Uh, you know, I I do know the the um you know, the homeowner that would be most affected in Fair Haven uh did have a conversation today with Brook Johnson President Cotch and Administrator New York was there.
>> From what I heard, the meeting went pretty well. Um and I all I can say is I hear you, David. >> Okay. Okay. And uh >> can I just add a couple things? So, just to give you an idea, again, the letter is just it's just support. So, the county knows whether or not they're actually invest funds into the
engineering aspect of it. Um, you know, my former life, you know, where rumson and I worked on some projects with um the county. They they involve the governing body and the community every step of the way. Joe is the county engineer. Um he's held again at the governing body's discretion. He holds
workshops. Um you know, they they they explain everybody all the stakeholders are involved in are involved in process. So, as far as again the natural area committee because that would affect that property just as it affects the other property we have in Fair Haven that those people would be involved in it. One thing just to add to real quick when
we did look at this um one thing that certainly was attractive about the roundabout versus putting a traffic signal up there, it's the least amount of rightway space that's heard. So, that that was also important to us as well. Had we decided to go with a traffic light, um there'd actually be more
acquisition there on the Green Acres again, which and again it would change the character of the neighborhood as well. Um so this takes >> just to clarify, it's a single lane roundabout. A modern roundabout. >> Correct. Correct. Single lane modern roundabout. Similar similar probably to what you would see over by Brookdale Community College. I'm not it's not
going to be to the extent of what you see over by a Stone Church in Navin. That's you know a couple more roads going into it, but something similar to like to what you see on on New Springs road. But I think it's fair to say also just to reinforce what you mentioned um and the mayor touched on when the county
undertakes a major road redesign like that there will be opportunities to come and see the process as it's ongoing not just the natural you know every resident who lives in the peninsula is going to have an interest in understand it and get
comfortable with it because it's it's quite different than what we used to see go I understand the >> safety all the typ and I I wish I had the data uh right in front of me. I don't but that's like something I'm looking for is what what are the safety factors? What are you know
>> does it drop fatalities by >> 82%. >> Yeah, that's what we read. Yeah. >> So things like that are really helpful to know builds confidence. >> Yeah. And the um the c and mayor can add as well. Um the the county had a meeting with our engineering committee, both uh Romson's engineering committee, both
mayors, both our administrators, both police chiefs, you know, um to go over um you know, again, a a a a very primitive, you know, concept plan of what it would be. I actually I have if you're interested in it, um if you send me an email, I can send just send me an email. I can forward that over again.
It's a primitive plan of what it would look like. And you'll see, you know, it's it's the least amount of land acquisition um of all the options there. And that was just that third point was to work as much as possible to minimize the impact of course in the natural area which is what you expect we would say.
>> Can you share that same exact >> great thank you so much? >> Yeah, just send me an email get. >> Okay. >> Anyone else public comments? >> Nelly 268 D. Um just two seconds to say thank you to the council. I think this is the third time that we brought the
library to your attention and I think we took up another 40 minutes tonight. Um thank you for your focus. Thank you for your support. This was truly a team effort um between friends of Fair Haven Library, the board of trustees, Anita, Chris, Rich, Nick. I mean, literally
everyone and it was a fun project to be a part of. Excited to get off the ground and just say thank you. >> Thank you for Thank you. Anyone else? Public comment. Alison, >> I have it looks like Megan Chris.
>> Hi, Megan. >> Hi guys. How are you? Good evening. Megan Krishnner Keef 25 Beachwood Place. Um quick question on the Ridge Road um Fair Haven Road resolution. How was it arrived at
um that a roundabout was what you wanted to include on the resolution? Right. Because it specifically says a roundabout, not like, you know, fix the safety issue. Um I'm just curious how that was arrived at.
>> Hi Meg, it's Chris York. Um so that resolution that um again the letter of support resolution support um that is what the county has requested from us. So the same language that's in that resolution is the same language that Rumson will be using also because they're the stakeholder on the other
side of the road. So that was um that was designed by um by Vince Cardone from Mama County Engineering. several options. >> Oh, yes. Yes. In me, they they presented a PowerPoint where they went over every option. I I shouldn't say every option,
but like the main options you would >> opt >> it was a traffic signal. It was >> two different >> two different types of roundabouts and um they made the recommendation based on a multitude of different uh categories within those designs. Obviously, safety
I think is the driving factor. Um slow though cuz some of the other ones like with a left turn signal you would have to that would stop traffic more this was making traffic >> and traffic light >> and I have 12 seconds >> and I could even just speak for myself and I know Betsy and I met with homeowner today regarding it. Um I think
probably the traffic circle was probably the one thing that I know was certainly the least on my mind. I figured the easiest application would have been the the traffic light. Um but the roundabout is at least on my mind and due to presentation and talking about how much it reduces accidents versus putting the traffic light there. The roundabout is
certainly the safest um option for that intersection as well. >> There's there's I might have the numbers wrong, but the way they explained it is at a traffic light there's 32 different like potential impact >> Yeah. >> situations and a roundabout it was like eight or
>> it was something like that. >> Yeah. and and was there a traffic study performed there that provided the data for what the for the based on I'm sorry on which the county based its recommendation. >> That is correct. They asked for five
years worth of accident data which provided um and then they also did they had their own survey they did there as well. So they had data as far as um yeah how many vehicles travel the roadways. Um they had speed um speed estimates you know from uh cameras that they had put out there. So they had a lot of data
they used to come up with that data for the presentation. >> The the the other thing in my scenario also me is the 32 versus the eight which might not be the right numbers. The 32 potential uh collisions were much more significant collisions
>> right are more of like a sideswipe a little bit more. >> Yeah that makes that makes sense. Is there um a time line uh from this point forward? >> So the timeline from about let's say 3
months ago, I don't even know if my timeline's right in my head was 18 months. I I got to be honest, I think it'll probably end up being longer than that. But that's the that's the number that they gave us. >> Yeah, I think the two you know the two unknowns that you end up dealing with um one is the green acres because obviously
have the green acres portion there which they have to get approval from. But I think the bigger unknown is always JCPNL's utility because you have um several um holes that are that h that are affected by putting that roundabout in that have to be relocated and you know JCPL's utility there are delays that are there and and if you're
familiar with the roundabout that they just put in over by the stone church in Locust and Lavac area that was their biggest hold up there is getting JCPNL to come out to relocate their polls. So that's the obstacle is there. Okay. >> I think realistically probably three years.
>> Three years. Okay, that makes sense. Um, one last question. I promise I'll leave you alone. Um, do you know whether eminent domain is going to be necessary uh absent cooperation >> we're not going to talk about the Rumson
side. Um, you know, that's for Rumson to talk about. >> On the fair side, we're I think we're going to defer to the county and let them come back before we guess. Yep. um you know, but but the homeowner has been spoken to and obviously the uh the
there's um going to be an inquiry into the Green Acres side of things as well, >> right? Yeah, obviously that's concerning as a longterm uh former member of the Nashville area. Um >> and Meg, I don't know if you were >> the reason I asked about that. Oh, go
ahead. I'm sorry, Chris. >> I don't know if you're listening before. Um just with the with the traffic circle too, it's the least amount of land acquisition that's required um if we were putting in a traffic signal. And again, I did >> I didn't realize that going into it, but the traffic signal requires a lot more
land acquisition and further back. Actually, it's going to would affect two properties on Ridge Road and Fair Haven as opposed to one and a larger portion on the natural area. So, the traffic service, the least amount of land acquisition of the projects, just to add that on. I'm sorry to interrupt you. >> Right.
>> No, that's okay. Um that's also my understanding based on the fact that you would need um or I guess it was projected that you would need a turning a turning lane for um you know if it was just a traffic signal, right? >> Um I my question about eminent domain
was more so you know if there's potentially litigation that it's going to significantly impact the timeline, but I guess that's an unknown. All right, thank you everybody. I appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Uh Alison, >> that seems all I have. >> Great. Uh, moving along to approval of
minutes May 26, 2026 regular meeting. Do I have a motion to approve? >> Second. >> Alison, may I please have a roll call? >> Yes. Dean, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Thank you. Uh, Faraden signs
entrance and leaving. >> Okay. So, um, I figured I'd make it easier for everybody and I have some large pictures here. Um, as we talked about in the previous meetings, the goal was to go back to the original sign that we had, the original
historic signs, although we don't didn't have any to base it off of. So, we sent this to our sign vendor to design what they could best find. Um, sorry about that. These are the two examples. It'd be a double-sided sign. One side saying
entering, one side saying leaving. Um, our sign vendor was able to figure out the scale as far as what this sign size was. This is what the sign size was. Uh, 47 by 36 was the sign. And then there's
the the framing that goes around it. >> Yes, >> I have a suggestion. Yes, it's probably stupid, but I'm gonna say it anyway. When you're looking at the Navisync, the Albertina enters Fair Haven. When it leaves Fair Haven, it goes in that
direction. Switch the boat, right? >> Yeah. And I just noticed one thing. Things you don't see when you blow it up. And notice the Albertina lettering is obscured. Um, so I'm going to make sure that's fixed as well. >> That's nice. >> But yeah, we can certainly have it reverse facing the other direction.
>> That' be cool, right? >> The the pup small keeps getting me a little bit. And >> I like this version. You don't like this one? That's our fifth version of >> I mean let's pick a Willy T. Yeah, >> it's our fifth version of smoke that we've had up there.
>> The big the version was no >> flag right. >> They were flippant. It was >> Yeah, I had him fixed it. I didn't like the other one. Um so, so real quick just for Susan O'Brien because I know Susan had approached me about the ship. I did
find the original picture of the Albertina and as you can see the original picture of the Albertina does match up to what the um the rendering was on the original sign. So in case anybody wants to see that is the original picture of the Albertina and it does match up. I know there's some
drawings of the Albert that one looks like a steam ship you'd see down in New Orleans um on the old one, but it does match pretty. >> So >> it looks a little different in the front. Yeah, >> I think one of those >> the bottom is better >> maybe. But this was the logo that was on
the original sign and the goal was to um get it as close as possible. >> I will say that the the lettering the fair haven lettering in the original sign the border is a little darker. >> Yeah, we can do that. >> Larson's fair haven should be a little more distinct.
>> Yeah, we can fix that. That's easy enough. And again, the Albertina writing once it was enlarged >> more. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's that's an easy fix. Again, these are just >> bottom is less. >> What's that? >> I mean, if we're trying to go for this, the top. >> Yeah, that's an easy fix.
>> Yeah, again, these are just renderings to get every an idea. I mean, our sign vendor will make us anything we want. So, I can take those in and change the border. Again, I have to add the Albertino lettering here. Um, so >> remind me where this is coming out of. >> So, this will come out of capital we
have and it's roughly going to be about $5,000 for all the signs installed. The only the only observation I have is this is really more of a North Carolina blue or sky blue and this is very much parab.
>> I was going to say this was periwinkle also JCB. >> So I will tell you this is very specific. >> So um I will make sure that the color does match. We did put this on a cheap piece of PVC just so it did affect it. I'm going to be on much better material
when we do have the signs made properly, but I wanted something just to get an idea. So, >> and you want do you want to match the gold or do you like >> Oh, match. >> Oh, yeah. That's fine. >> I like the lighter shade of blue. >> I do too. Yeah. I noticed when it printed print out of the machine. And again, it's why it's better to look at
it in person so you can touch it, you know, see it. >> They they should give you a fan of colors that have a number. Okay. >> Yeah. the pantone colors. You didn't think I knew that, did you? >> Good job.
>> We're in good hands. >> We're good. Any questions? >> No. Is that uh we need a vote on that or or we want to see this again? >> Carry on. >> So, what I'll do is I will get the finalized versions for the next meeting incorporating. I'm I'm not going to make
them this big again. Uh but I'll make smaller version. We we understand this the size of it. That's why I brought it in. But I'll bring some smaller versions, the right color, blue, the right outlines, the Albertina written in, and then we can hand them around and we can make a decision for the next meeting that good. Very beautiful. Thank
you. >> Good. Thank you. >> Uh, next up, uh, new business, introduction of ordinances, 2026. >> Yeah, that's, uh, we're we're off. New business, introduction of ordinances, 2026-10, amend burough code 30-7.3
hours of operation. Mayor, can I just say one thing about the concession stand real quick? >> Sure. >> Um, the contractor did that free of charge for us. So, that was all done. It didn't cost the bur anything. So, that was all completed and finished. And thanks to Rich Cardella for coordinating all that and Nick for assisting on it as well.
>> Very nice. tomorrow. >> Um, >> so >> does anyone want discussion on this? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Let's see. I don't have my copy. >> So, sorry. But >> I mean, if somebody else wants to start
>> Sorry. So, one of the things that I I guess I'm a little confused about this might be to Christina. So in the original well originally someone could go to planning board to get a variance or the zoning board to get a variance. Now the way it
reads to me is that the only way to get a variance would either come to council is that am I reading this correctly? Am I understanding correctly? Well maybe we can sorry >> it's okay. So um that's one of the ways.
The other thing is to get this approval incorporated in some other type of application that's before one of those boards where they are able to permit that. I mean I was incorporating the suggestions from the planning board attorney and um I think that the
planning board made those recommendations. So yes, it's a carveout. it it basically leaves the burrow council to authorize limited exceptions. >> So now it's zoning. You can't get it as zoning either.
>> You can't get a variance for zoning. >> So you may be able to get a variance through zoning through it incorporated in another application. Right. So, I'm confused personally because I thought the goal of the ordinance was to
take out of the hands of mun municipality in total that it was supposed to if someone wanted um relief they would seek relief with the courts. >> So, the law allows the the um zoning
board to have this type of authority. So, we've basically taken it out of the ordinance, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the the zoning board would still not be able to consider an application of such nature. >> I I so I was at the planning board
meeting and council was at the planning board meeting as well and I'm it's not clear to me. I mean, I've read Mr. Bobat's letter as well. Um, but from the planning board meeting to what we have in front of us is kind of and I know you weren't at those, but you said you did your best. Um, but I feel
like this is actually kind of gutting some of the most important parts of our hours of operation restriction. We can do business in very early between 6:00 a.m. and 11:00 p.m. 17 hours to get your business done. Um, and to my mind that includes,
you know, your cleaning, your stocking, your, you know, people arriving in order to offload and some of the things that are carved out here. I I never heard the planning board talk about specifically although it wasn't Mr. Kovad's memorandum. So I just want but let me
finish the our businesses are peppered throughout our residential neighborhood. Even our B1 and our B2 have residential in it. So we have mixeduse zones where our residents live next to businesses.
And the prohibition we have on that 6:00 a.m. to uh or that well 11:00 p.m. to 6 a.m. Yeah. Is is it's designed to protect the quality of life for our residents. So, for example, if we were
to allow a delivery to arrive some outside of those normal business operating hours, there is that's a vehicle that is possibly backing up, which involves beep beep beep beep, which might involve two people getting
out of a truck, slamming their doors, an idling car, boxes and crates being moved and walked back and forth, headlights in front doors, windows that have bought dogs to bark and wake babies and now parents are awake and it's what 4:00
a.m. This this this does not belong in fair. This So I I understand you might have been following directions, but that's my position. I wouldn't I I don't see any reason why I would do this in a complete um disregard for our quality of life for our residents. >> Where does it say that? Help me. Where
does it say that the planning board and board can still >> so the scope it does have a carve out for things that are not customerfront based. So it carves out >> yes >> non public operational activities and that was just based on the suggestions
that were giving me by the planning board attorney. I think that what you're all getting at is a public policy decision that needs to be made >> amongst the governing body >> the dog wagon table. So >> the limited exceptions notwithstanding subsection A, the burough council may
authorize limited exceptions. >> So number letter B, it says that um this the time frame only applies to activities involving customer or public use, visitation or occupancy and shall not prohibit non-public operational activities including employee presence,
stocking, cleaning, deliveries, things that Councilman Cole was just saying that could happen outside of the scope of that time period. And again, that was just based on suggestion that I >> Yeah, the planning board is okay with that. Um, and coats, I believe. So, the >> right
>> that we're not going to say that employees of a business can't come before a certain hour. They have to get ready to work or take deliveries or whatever that that's going to happen. But we don't want Well, there's an idea that we don't want businesses to open where customers are coming. There's a difference. So, they're kind of
distinguish between the two. But I don't so further back to my point is I don't see in here I see a carve out where the council can override but I don't where where can the planning board and zoning board override I don't see >> it's not in >> he's saying it's in their law the law
that supersedes this I guess essentially >> is that >> it's just basically statute gives the right to relief but that's just in their statuto the planning board is the piece that's being surgically removed
statutoily I guess they don't that's just that's not normally part of what they do during their site plan but it was added so I I was at the planning board meeting and what I heard was just to parse it a little bit further I didn't hear planning board members say we want
people to stock their stores and to bring their cleaning teams in we want all that to happen that would be okay I heard and one particular member of the planning board because I didn't hear a long discussion about it either. But what I've heard is, well, what if I want to go into my office and take care of
the paperwork before the day gets started. And to me, that's reasonable because it approximates the intensity of a residential use. For example, I had a late flight and I'm arriving home at 4:00 a.m. or I'm leaving really early to
get to the airport. That's similar to somebody going to their office who just wants to get off. So I I heard I didn't hear the planning board say that we want people to show up early in the morning. I heard the planning board say that we don't want to restrict employees from showing up early.
>> Well, that's exactly what we should restrict because that that's well we may you and I may disagree on that. That's possible. But because of an exclusive nature of the zones, we have to guard we have to guard and protect quality of life issues for our residents. >> Don't we also want to protect the
businesses as well? Well, they're functioning. >> Here's here's the only issue with that. If you have, for instance, the the uh I won't use one food place. There's multiple food places in town and they open up for breakfast at 8:00 a.m.,
but they have menus on their dish that they have to prep for and it takes them 2 hours to prep for. Well, you know, now they have to start earlier, but they could open up at 6:00 or 7 a.m. And if it takes them two hours, now they're before that 6 a.m. time. And if it's if
it's important for them to be able to do that to run their business, preventing the employee to just show up to get the facility ready, um that that might start turning people in the business community away from working in fair. You know, you
have you have a um a produce market or a seafood market or a butcher that needs to get the deliveries and start cutting the meat before the actual um customers come. I understand
what you're saying. >> Everywhere there's a business in this town, US don't throw out from someone's home. >> I I I understand that. So, I think it there needs to be some level of compromise there. I think it's good compromise to say we don't want customers coming before that time.
That's too much. There's too many doors shutting. There's too much noise. Um I think though somebody >> happens today. Why are we why change it? >> Why that example? >> So we bread delivery has to come early in the morning.
>> So I think it does it happens now. It does happen now. We haven't from what I've heard we haven't gotten complaints from that example. We have been getting complaints from um I don't want to talk about a specific situation but a situation where there's
customers that are active before that time. >> I want to make a point of clarification. So the the main concern is noise, right? That's what that's what people don't like. >> So there's some light to it. Yes, that's fair. So, but it's primary primarily
noise and we have a noise ordinance and nothing the planning board did or what this does or any stuff we're talking about negates the noise ordinance. That always stays. If somebody regardless of what they could do it at noon, right? If they're violating the noise ordinance,
they're violating the noise ordinance. So, I want to make sure that people know this isn't some blessing that you can make a bunch of noise at 3:30 in the morning. >> That's not that's not what it is. >> Our police department pushing Atlant's problem to the police department in the middle of the night.
>> The only the only So, the only the only the only thing I want to bring up about noise is to me there's decel noise and there's nuisance noise. What I mean by nuisance noise is, >> you know, one car door shutting, >> it's not a big deal. You hear 18 car
doors shutting over the course of, you know, 25 minutes, that that becomes a little bit of a nuisance. So, um, that's not something, um, sure, Lieutenant BRA is going to be frustrated if he's sitting there with his, what do you call the tool for the noise?
>> I don't even know. There's no measuring cardboard slamming and it probably wouldn't pop up. But as someone that I remember in New York City, I used to live in an apartment and there was a restaurant down below and they must have used the water bottles that they bring
you water and they would throw them in the can when they were building. Every single time that water bottle or the can it clamped. I'm sure they weren't violating any noise warnings. It drove me insane. It was and it was every night that it just kept coming and coming. So I I think there's balance here that we
can find. I I I don't see it. I don't see a way to restrict employees from showing up. >> Well, today said that it may be happening now. We don't have problems with it. Suggest that the system and the law we have now works. And to CR's point, I don't know why we would even
revisit this. There's a possibility the planning board is going to look into this even further during the master plan process. If we we wanted to wait till that phase of work is done, maybe that's the time we'd want to look at it. My my personal opinion at the moment is we
have potentially contradictory uses that are exist in a peaceable neighborly way next to one another. And it's a really delicate balance and maintaining that neighborhood harmony is achieved through
good laws like this and that means we have to be reducing potential friction wherever we can. I don't I don't think we're ready based on what I'm hearing um to go forward with this. I wouldn't vote it down right now. Let's keep it open so
it's on the books. Um and and let's have some more thoughtful discussion about it. >> Sure. Yeah. Oh, we have a right now we're talking about things that we know and exist in businesses that we're familiar with and aware of, but we have a situation that's going to develop in
Fair Haven at Synopus gas station where three or four brand new businesses are going to come in. We don't know what they are. We don't know what their hours of operation are going to be, but I think we need to be prepared to deal with whatever businesses do come in. And
that 14 residents is upstairs. >> Well, exactly. You do have the 14 residences upstairs, but you also have neighbors next door. And I I think we need to be sensitive to that. >> Yeah, I agree with Tracy as well.
Majority of the community members moved out of New York City for a certain way of life and I would like to keep it more community than oh 12 at you know midnight delivery. All right.
>> So, can I just ask one more thing? I'm sorry. So, as it stands without the changes, no one can even deliver or go to their res their businesses before 6:00. >> Well, it happens. I think that that probably happens, but it's not disruptive,
>> but it's not permitted to >> it's not permitted to happen. It's not permitted to show your cleaning crew and have your stocking crew and trucks backing up and deliveries made. No, that's not permitted. But we really like >> I don't think that's the case. That's not permitted. >> Yeah. Is that not permitted?
>> Did you pass the last ordinance that was you you did not this >> but not adopt? >> So right now then the the only part of this ordinance is letter A. It's just there's no heading. That's what the current ordinance is. Yeah. >> That's the non underlined portion. >> So a person could an employee could show
up at 4 in the morning. >> It doesn't specify. So I would say >> you're saying the existing >> I mean there is the noise ordinance. There's the other ordinances that are in place based on the burough code, but currently the hours of operation, it's just
>> what's not underlined under different employable to do that. >> No, I think you replace I think it's >> you can't make it's just about the oper hours of operation. I guess the debate
is >> what is operation >> operation that work that >> we have some more work to >> okay so we're tableing this then >> yes >> uh feeds for special event street closures have anything on this before
>> I didn't see the actual ordinance so I don't know that I feel comfortable >> I looked in front of you and it was to you I didn't get it >> really is it >> I I don't know thought I got it. I really looked. >> I definitely didn't get it. Sorry. I was
>> the one that we just did. >> It's in my It was uh >> No, >> the one that we were just talking about, right? >> Second one. >> 11. >> Oh, 11. I think it was >> No, no, no. 11
question. Yeah, but I do have if we could at least >> that's a good mistake. Alison, >> it's not my mistake. I don't think >> you as the sooner we get it the better. I mean, honestly, getting in the day before if
we can if it's going to >> I need clarification on that one. So, >> I don't blame you, Asha. >> I understand that. >> I don't know. The farmers market the block parties were it was a consensus basically that you don't want >> the farmers market. any nonprofit.
>> So that's my forprofit versus nonprofit and then outside verse inside organizations. I think that that's where I need clarity on on both of those. >> Outside versus inside. Just explain. >> Yeah. Resident
uh people uh organizations that pay taxes that was discussed in last meeting. Remember I wasn't at the last meeting. It wasn't avail to to protect you a little bit. I can understand why you would not have >> Can we can we make a distinction between outside fairman and inside fairing? >> I mean
>> rather you do forprofit versus nonprofit. >> That's kind of the issue why we're doing this entire thing is someone from outside fair payment to come in and not have any any uh formal payment they have to give us. >> But but but Christine, could you please address that and outside organizations
or business? What is your purpose? We we use that as an example, >> but we've addressed Netflix. >> That's filming. >> They could do they could do other things besides filming. >> No, just be we have a slew of regulations in place to block those holes. >> Yeah. We Let's use another example. The
Netflix is Netflix is covered under we have that's all covered under filming ordinance and blocking off streets and all. Let's say Netflix catering company. >> That's what >> Okay, there you go. >> Yep. So Netflix catering company who doesn't is not here in Fair Haven. >> Yeah, I I was talking about Netflix as a filming company. I was talking about
what if they want to block party. >> Borrow sponsor organizations. >> Well, just to answer this question because this has been difficult for me and when when some of my colleagues say, "Oh, an outside company wants to come to
our town and close our street and have a party. We want the right to charge them a hundred bucks." My my first impression is well why would we even let them do that? We have jurisdiction over those public facilities. We would just say no >> or come up with approval. You >> can't speak for all of us.
>> Exactly. I mean I didn't mean to sound but I'm just trying to explain to her. >> But I think educate us is that because we might not all agree >> then it's again up to the council. So instead of having like something in place like an actual ordinance on it,
then you're saying it's up to our discretion. >> I'm saying it is up to our discretion as the body who has jurisdiction over our public facilities. No one is entitled to come follow. >> But then when all of us say yes and you say no, then we have then we're letting >> I'm asking our lawyer I'm asking our
lawyer to tell us. >> I'm not I know I sound like I'm just saying >> the exact question. Can >> can an outside business show up in Fair Haven and say, "I'm closing these streets." >> Well, they don't just say they're closing them. They have to file a permit
to close them. >> Yeah. There has to be a process, >> but you you should treat all applications consistently. >> But a permit doesn't That sounds like it's automatically permitted. >> No, the governing body has the ability
to There it is. We we do but we what is it arbitrary and capriccious? Yes, >> exactly. That's why I'll give an example. If another market came in or profit market and came into town and wanted to pose a street to run
a market, I don't want to be arbitrary and capriccious, but I also want to make sure the town is compensated. And right now, you'd be treating one differently than the other. >> I'm so comfortable with that. a local not forprofit over an Alban. >> That's why we want to That's why we want
to put this in writing. That's exactly why we want to set it into writing so that if they do come in, they have to compensate the burrow. >> I don't care about the >> No, she doesn't want it. I don't want it. >> Again, >> why why would the $100 make the
difference? >> I'm not saying it would. We might want it then, but then we can't get any money for it at all. What if it's something that really benefits you though? Even though it's an outside company, I can't think of what an example would be. >> At that point, we can't have >> so many people saying they want to bring
all these fun things for the kids >> a charity for profit, >> but >> but not maybe not a charity. What if it is this amazing >> New York Jets? >> Yeah. What if New York wanted to come and they wanted to have a J we win the we win championships and they come? I I
don't know what the example would be. So, can this move to workshop? We're not going to We don't have an ordinance, right? >> It's going to have to go to a workshop. >> I think that we just need to know we want to have to go through the permit
process what the fees are going to be for those things. >> I would like to see it as restrictive as possible >> and Okay. >> But I think you'll agree with that. >> Yeah. because there's no I I really don't see a scenario where we have an outside business who we're going to feel
comfortable saying yes to. >> So what if for example it's a it's a >> I'm just not dog adoption day from PetSmart down the street. >> Well, we would probably go through the ASPCA, wouldn't we? If we really wanted to host a pet adoption
>> maybe that was a bad example something that's not already working any outside >> Yeah, I do. Will they ever come into town and I think I think that's >> I think there is no outside forprofit entity that we would say yes to as long
as you give us >> I would say yes to the New York Jets. >> Yes. So would I >> know heartbeat I'm sure everyone would agree. I mean that might bring bad luck to our town but I would say yes. >> Yeah. or if Microsoft wanted to come and do a tech session and they would
>> there's definitely situations that I'd be able to do. >> Absolutely not. >> Corporations are >> well they're not in it for their stakeholders.
>> You got to we got to move it to a workshop to get the where we need to be there. So let's move on to consent agenda. It's 2026-132 through144. Before I ask if anyone wants to separate, Alison, I have a question for you. Do we have to vote on every
single liquor license renewal here? Is is there a date that it has to be done by >> by June 30th >> has to be done by >> July 15th. >> Do we have another meeting before June 30th?
>> We do. Um, I'd personally like to recommend I don't know that anyone else agrees with me that we take off the liquor license renewal for the Raven Beach. I agree >> till the next meeting. >> Just right now I'd like to take it off >> for special conditions or what?
Because you can place special conditions on like what? >> Just I'm just not ready to >> just don't want to approve. Just remember though that that liquor license also supports the T- room and they use it every day.
>> Yeah, >> we have to >> we're being told the statute says it has to be approved by the 30. >> I'm I'm personally not ready for the governing body to approve it. I totally >> okay. So pull it from the consent and then vote to
>> No, he's saying off for tonight. >> No, but they should vote on it. >> Make a motion to remove the liquor license. going to vote on all the numbers minus 138. We'll do that. Before we do that, does anyone else want to separate anything
else on the consent agendas? >> I would like to separate out 33. >> 33. Okay, that's uh Moth County intersection improvements at Fairban Ridge Roads. Do you want a separate vote or you want discussion? >> Discussion. >> Okay, go ahead. Go for it.
>> Um >> actually, you know what? Before you go for it, can we vote on everything else? >> Sure. What are we pulling? Um, >> we're we're pulling two 2026-138 is is going to be voted on separately.
>> Um, or we can just pull it off. >> It's the table. >> Um, and then we're going to have discussion right now. Why don't we go to discussion first because maybe if you report, we'll just go to the mall. >> Yeah, it's fine.
>> 133. Um, I I asked for that because first of all, I will vote for it. I recognize the fact that it's a safe safety issue, but I'm concerned about the writing in the resolution. Um,
the second to last paragraph, the project to construct a modern roundabout and related improvements. Um, I don't know what those related improvements are. I would I would just like to go on the record as saying um I want to
partner with the county. I'd like to know what the county is planning before they start to institute some of these changes. It would be nice to have them uh inform us as to what their timeline
of events is going to be. I appreciate the fact that um Mr. Bordalong was here representing the natural area. uh they were not considered at all. Green neighbors was considered but the natural area wasn't considered. Today we met
with one of the neighbors uh at the intersection of uh Fair Haven Road and Ridge Road. They are in support of the roundabout, but they also have concerns about how much of their property is going to be taken as a result of this.
So I I have some questions. I have questions about is the speed going to be adjusted or modified going into the roundabout. Uh we've seen a design, how many changes are going to be in the design. So, I I just have questions about what the county is going to do
moving forward. And I would just like to go on the record as saying I would like as a council that we be informed of any of the changes or modifications that they're going to make as well as the
neighbors and staffing up. Sure. The only the only thing that I'll add to to what you said because it sounds like you supported um the key design elements that they um presented to us in the meeting when we were here was a 100 foot
inscribed circular diameter. >> I'm not saying they won't change these, but this is what was presented. >> Right. >> Proposed mountable concrete splitter islands, a proposed concrete truck apron in landscape central island. Um, and
then there are potential potential impacts of utility hall relocations, uh, right-of-way impacts, which we've discussed at late tonight. Um, driveway adjustments, no dedicated bicycle lanes through the intersection,
um, and and lighting. So, >> no dedicated biking, >> no through the intersection. They're not dedicated. So, the sides >> Yeah, it tapers away. One of the roundabouts that was proposed actually had a drive-thru through the
intersection for certain types of vehicles >> for for large >> for large trucks. But that but just to remember a ridge road is a 5 ton limit. So you wouldn't have uh you know large trucks going through there anyway. >> Sorry. Go ahead. >> I was I heard that at one point they were going to maybe have to recrade
>> Yeah. >> the hill. Is that still >> they they mentioned that they're going to continue the design element and if if they have to do something, they're going to uh make the recommendation, but I don't think I think this is more just a show of support that we agree that um
there's a real issue there. Uh the county, they're the experts in these traffic studies and how to how to um cure the issue and they're going to do everything they can to analyze it and get to the right place. Whether that includes that or not, we'll find out. Yeah,
>> Mr. Mayor, just one question in the did they provide like a traffic redirect plan during construction and what would that look like? >> So, I I don't I don't think we're there. I don't think we're there yet. I think we're l we are lucky in the fact that obviously we have Rson Road and River
Road that are running um parallel. Yeah. So, not that anyone wants three roads going into two, but if there's a short period of time where where you can't get through, obviously there are other options. >> I think that's
>> pretty far down. >> But can this also be amended this ordinance for counciloman Tach's comments? I think I think we want to match rumps in but I >> so what we can do and I think and just sitting here thinking about it I think it would probably be wise if we do put
just a section 9 minutes in when we send the resolution to the county just remind them that they want that we want to be partner in this and again having you know worked on other projects I know you know Rich can attest to it as well um the county does make us a partner they they we are stakeholder in it they you know they don't design it in the vacuum
and then this is this is what it is you know the governing body is involved and and the community stakeholders to involved through the process. I mean Joy does a great job on the county project. So um and again Green Acres, all the other stakeholders are involved in it. I mean it's you know they're they're going to be involved and basically what this
resolution of support is is for again for Fair Haven and Rumson to say we are interested and for them to then get the funding to do the design for the project. If one of us if Rumson decides tomorrow and I speak Rumson I believe they're on board as well. Rumson decided
tomorrow they were not going to support it. I'm sure the county would say we're probably going to scrap this project. They have to make sure that they get that the stakeholders are involved before they invest into it. >> That's understandable. That's >> but I think it would be wise to include when the minutes done. We'll include that section of minutes in there so they
are aware and you know and I'm sure I would expect a great idea. >> Maybe we'll go to the bur real quick. >> Oh, we're not we're not there yet. >> Oh yeah, I forgot. >> We still have to do the res consent agenda but absolutely. Um, so we're
talking 126, 132, um, through 137 and then 139 through 144. Do I have a motion to approve? >> Alison, may I please have a roll call?
>> Council members, yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Olen, >> yes. Thank you. Department reports May 2026. Municipal clerk draw license and budget status for a motion to accept as submitted with a thank you.
>> Motion already. Thank you. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Anyone opposed? >> Thank you. Go to the burrow. Please stand. Identify yourself by clearly stating any matters for the record. Please observe a time limit of 3 minutes first. >> It's only a note. I realize the flag's
too small. That's what's bothering us. >> No, because if you look at it compared to this, that flag is actually bigger than that. >> Yeah, we we can make it bigger. That's fine. >> I've been staring at it all night. It's not a problem. >> Big flag. >> Yep. >> Flags. >> More flag. Flies. Morning. Are you going to complain that someone took your seat
tonight? >> I know. If we don't notice you 33. >> Chris, this is for you. Would it be possible for you to actually take that photograph to the
people who do this to see that they can maybe actualize that a little? We could again the goal was to to make to not recreate the sign was to go back to what the original sign that's why we took that photograph to recreate it the best we could and again you know I guess then
you're creating something a whole new sign and maybe not be historical so the goal was to rec but um but I think again the elements that were brought up tonight Michael's flag >> smoke like that in the original looks
like a plastic bag >> that was the original one right there that's right in front of it. >> And I agree the flag is unfortunate. >> Yeah, we have we'll have it. >> Thank you, >> Martin. One quick
Banano, 113 Church Street. I know some of you know me, some of you don't. Um, currently the president of Fair Haven Baseball. Um, my tenure will be running out in a couple days. Um, basically I'm just here for a little bit of clarity
from the council. Um, I'm trying to close out my presidency. I'm going to be making recommendations to my board soon on what they should do moving forward. One of the biggest things that I've never got a clear answer on from
many of the people that I've talked to in town, but I've never addressed the council, is why we have so few DBW workers compared to the other towns that are in the proximity to us on the peninsula. It's my understanding, and again, maybe
I'm wrong, but compared to our populations, the Little Silver and to Rumson, we're running about 8 PPW workers. Again, I could be wrong. Please let me know who I am. Compared to Little Silver and Rumson who consistently hover
between 12 and 13. So my main question again does not have to be answered tonight. But I'm not understanding how we can run a town with the same amount of people as our
neighbors with consistently four to five less DPW workers. As far as quality of life situation goes here, we have all volunteers in this town. They all rely on DPW for for help. From
the Third Street Trail people to every wreck program in town to anything that we do here, DPW is very important. I've been told 10 different things. Our DPW is adequately staff for all we do. We
need a lot of help for DPW. I'm looking to the council to to tell me or I can make suggestions to my board looking forward where we are. Is this what is acceptable for for Fair Haven or are we understaffed and have been
consistently? And what are you guys doing if that's the case to fill those positions? >> Well, what's so what's the specific question that you're asking us though? >> Is our DPW staffed adequately for this for what we need in this town?
>> That's you know that's a uh it's a good question. Um, so I can't speak to Little Silver Robot. I don't know what their budget looks like. Uh, I don't know how many employees they have. I don't know how many employees
they used to have. I don't know what services they're running. We have a brush grinding site. They may not. We have a certain number of baseball fields. I don't know what they have. They might run a street sweeper. They might not run a street sweeper. So, for me to get into what other towns are
doing that have different appropriation caps, not percentage standpoint, but as far as the actual number of dollars, um, different services, different expectations, different taxes for the residents, I don't see a lot of value in having
that conversation. Now, we can inform ourselves, make better decisions for what we do in Fair Haven by finding out what they're doing. And um certainly if I I think if our staff and our bur administrator and our personnel
committee and our governing body was in support of that I think we would probably do that study to find that out. As far as what you're saying, how do you answer your the board? I mean I'm not really sure how to answer
that question. Um, you know, it's I think it's our responsibility to take we're in the services business at the end of the day. We have to provide level of services to our residents. We could provide an infinite level of services if we really wanted to, but we'd have to
raise taxes. And obviously we're in a situation now where um people are paying a lot of taxes. You've seen it with schools. you've seen it even with the municipality, with the county, with the parks, um open space taxes. So, we we
could go all day long and have an infinite number of DPW workers, but that cost something. We could hire more police officers. You know, I'm sure if the chief is here, he'd tell us we don't have enough police officers. I'm sure if Superintendent McNeil was here, he'd say we don't have
enough teachers. And I think that no one's wrong when they say I don't think you're wrong when you say that you don't have enough BPW workers, but we have a certain number that we have to carve up and provide services to our residents and also take care of our seniors because we don't want to price them out
of town. Um, and we do the best we can. If if you'd like us to take a look at it and come back to and give you some actual numbers, absolutely. >> I can add something to it. And Mike, you bring up a great point actually. I think Rumson's numbers were about 22 employees they had there. They have quite more
than 13. Um but again their their tax valuations it's 6.8 billion or about 3.0 billion. So >> maybe a fair comparison is Little Silver. >> So they did they bring I don't know what Little Silver's number is. I can only speak to Robson from working there years ago. Um but I I will bring up a point.
Um in the two years that I have been here um we did increase our DPW stat by two people. Um when I came here there were actually two less. We didn't have a burrow mechanic. we were one less laborer. Um at the time we were outsourcing all of our vehicle maintenance uh to two different uh contractors and and that was a system
that didn't work. Um so we did so um in the two years I was here we brought back an in-house mechanic. Um so we have an in-house mechanic that's one employee and then we took another employee who worked for M Beach DPW and brought him over here as well. So in two years we've increased by two employees. Now again in your opinion you might not think that's
enough but if we are making progress and obviously we have budget constraints that we have to operate under again which is you know not our parameters we operate under what division of local government services which regulates obviously how much we can expand our budget but we have made a point to increase our stat so it's not that we've
just been this same number for the same time I think adding two employees in two years plus four part-time employees that we have this year is the most is the highest number of part-time employees we've ever had actually take that back five because we have a Saturday employee for baseball. It's the highest number of part-time employees we've ever had here.
Um and again that's all within a >> Saturday employee for softball for baseball. >> What's what's driving your what's driving your question? >> Um just the amount of work we do >> as a volunteer. >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I used to run softball for a decade. But yeah. So is that it?
Is that >> Oh, 100%. feel as it relates to >> our weekends are baseball and >> 100%. And and I am definitely going to give props to Chris. It's in my four years it's been an improvement by a lot.
It's just still so much. We have the most amount of kids playing sports, rec sports in the peninsula. Okay. Our weekends are up at six o'clock in the morning and we're dragging fields until 5 o'clock in the afternoon. And that's Saturday and Sunday. Okay. So it's it's a lot of
>> scenario you think uh fair haven softball we we contemplated contributing um fees you know money you know allocating towards that it never manifested into a sub >> well that's that's what we're we're in talks like that's these are the kind of
things we're in talks about right now and these are the kind of suggestions >> think that would help >> of course before we go further that Nancy the CFO probably would have something to say on assume >> you have to be very careful with
a organization paying a borrow >> which we've been told >> which just want to put that out >> I would like to answer anecdotally right so sitting in these seats you know we are the ears of the community so people have
something that they don't like we tend to hear about it I also knocked on 500 doors during my campaign Um, I never heard anybody say I never heard anybody complain about DPW. Uh, >> who's Blazer?
>> I'm not saying that. >> Sorry. >> So, the prominent theme that I heard is this town is two can't afford to deliver anymore. That was the most common theme. And then probably the kids riding the bikes. People love that. The Mayberry thing. >> Um, just to clarify, I have no problem
with you either. >> Yeah. I think Dave I think Nick do a great job. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's I think that's universally understood. But I haven't I think there's too much work on but I have heard >> from many people
>> that they are razor thin >> right >> razor thin. >> Yeah. It's very lean department >> and we've had we know we know we know this because I've been told it. Okay. We ask for help all the time. We understand why we can't get it. the demograph I
know tra I know the story of why there's volunteers the way this town has been set up with volunteers traditionally demographics have changed in this town I've had this conversation with Chris okay things do change mayor I understand I'm not trying to pay any more in taxes
either but the amount that the volunteers shoulder in this town I don't think is completely grasped by everyone >> okay it is a job on top of another job and I don't have to tell you volunteers,
okay? It's so much work and it's a lot of responsibility and it's a lot of angry people when things don't get done for a job that you do not get paid for. Again, I'm preaching to the choir. Okay, so that's all I wanted to say. Um, my
time here is done soon and I'm just trying to figure out which way we're going to go. That was an option and I've helped Lori with softball over the last four years. She had nothing. We helped her. We used She was using our baseball equipment. She deserves all the help.
She's done a great job. Okay. Chris and DJ got her help. They We're going to give it the baseball. We gave it to softball. Okay. So, all I'm asking for is if you want to do a small review to see where they're where we're at. I personally think we're under staff.
Okay. I don't have all the facts. I don't I'm I'll be the first one to tell you this, but I have eyes and I've been doing this now for four years. Can I just say something just real quick? So, I I've talked to you about this and Chris and I have actually talked about this a bunch. Um, I don't fully disagree
with you. I think that our DPW does amazing work and I think that we've been doing a lot better over the past few years but as the liaison for the shade tree for um environmental commission green team that is something that does come up a lot and I do know that we give
a lot of time to all of those areas but I think that we can I I don't disagree that we could be doing better for sure. Um, so, uh, just from the environmental side of it and like the natural areas, I think they would agree with you.
>> And because we need these volunteers, I don't want it to ever chase people away. Yeah. >> There's a lot of good people that want to help, but when they get into these roles and they actually see what they have to do and what they have to shoulder, I'm telling you, it really turns people
off. I just want to weigh in because um I was definitely part of a series of conversations and meetings and Chris Michael we were Christina we did and you stepped up and there is um I do I don't I don't really know how to advance this
except to say do you think there's potential for sort of a basket of administrative functions to and I'm I'm oversimplifying probably what is a complicated topic but if there was a way to sort bundle that administrative
player of work that happens across the sports piece and you bring it in house. You know, I think it would help a little. I don't think it's going to completely change everything. And I'm sure there are problems associated with what I just said, but I also don't want to see our programs collapse because the
volunteer fatigue or unnecessary stress and tension. It still has to be something you enjoy doing if you're doing it in your free time. I mean that's true of this work. I enjoy doing this or else I couldn't keep doing it
because this is my free time. But I just to also a direct answer to your query about DPW. It's a fabulous department with first rate human beings that do a tremendous amount of work within extremely lean team. And I if I
had my way um I would love to see more DPW workers just to build out that team and allow for the injuries and the time ball and somebody gets sick. You know, there's lots of variables that go within to how Nick has to spread these workers
around. But I I al I have limits. That's the reality. We have fiscal responsibility and limits with what we can spend. But in my my fantasy world, there's definitely a bigger DPW crew. There's definitely a bigger
>> beer crew than any. >> Well, for sure DPW and that's just what I would >> if there's anything you can check out. If you if we can do something small, a small overview, I'm not asking for a top to bottom audit of the system. something
and then we can go forward and then we can explore other things like maybe hiring our own crew >> and again these all these things would have to be permitted by the town but off the top I could think of DPW per capita DPW is a percent of the uh budget
>> correct >> and maybe open or land space or something uh municipal space per acre or something like that >> and I I know Rich did this a bunch of years ago and there's probably good data
that Nick can build on to give us an idea. >> The the only thing I want to bring up to members of the governing body because as Mike's time is running out so is mine is you got to remember when we make other decisions you know when we extend the third street trail that leads to DPW hours which
takes away from other things. when we do services for another body, not our property, that takes away from DPW hours in town, there's a cost to these decisions and they they look small and minimized at the times, but the result
of that on the back end is maybe we're not putting as much time into things that we should, you know, just remember that when I'm gone. Take that thought with you as well, please. Mike, thank you for your time. Um, while he's here, I'll mention that baseball is running a
Nights of Columbus on June 12th in support of the SEO. They're running a um I think it's the first World Cup game as well. Is that night? I >> think it's Blue Jays World Cup on Friday. >> Um, it's a great cause. Help help uh to support the SEO. I know I'm going to try
and make it by. Hope everyone else does as well. And uh thank you. >> We're gonna get a lot of people there. off. >> Thank you for your time. >> Appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. >> Four years. Is that where you're wrapping up? >> Yes. >> Congratulations. >> I'm finding new hobbies.
>> Thank you. Uh, anyone else been to the burrow? >> I had one quick thing. So, thanks. >> So, before we go, Alison, to the burrow. >> No hands up. >> Okay, you're up. >> So, um, thanks to everybody for signing the memo to RBR. Um, did we hear back
anything? Yeah. from them just for the record. >> We have not received and just just just for the record, we sent that to RBR. We also we also copied Little Silver's mayor and council, the police chief and they administrator on as well just forformational purposes and they did receive it and they were very appreciative that we did keep them in
the loop today. And just one more thing under good of the burrow um the we had applied for the green acres grant um towards 21 Fair Haven Road. Um I was advised last Friday that we received the funding. I think it was 38 a little over
$318,000 towards 21 Fair Road. So, I want to thank the council support on that and that gets a little further down the road. So, great job. Great job. >> Thank you. >> 300 a little over 318,000. >> Um, I would like to remind everybody that fair eating day is on Saturday. Uh,
it starts at 5:00. We have lots of activities for the kids. Uh Gardens is doing a um a barbecue. Uh with a beer truck. Uh the evening will conclude with
fireworks, but throughout the evening from 5 until fireworks, we have the cliffs playing. Um there'll be some surprise guests. And uh as of right now, if you go online, we could use some volunteers to
help us uh not only with setup but throughout the day to sell tickets. Um so we could use anybody's help in volunteering and you can sign up through the burough website. Good. Motion to motion. Second. All in
favor. Let's go next.