all right let's call this meeting to order at 7:20 p.m. we're going to start with the salute to the flag I pledge alance to the of the United States of America to the for it stands Nation indivisible please join me in a moment of Silent reflection thank you sunshine law notice in accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings ACT public meetings may be held in person or by means of communication equipment to include streaming services and other online meeting platforms this meeting is being held in person and through the zoom meeting platform being broadcast from bur Hall 748 River Road fa Haven New Jersey public participation for this regular Council meeeting of April 8th 2024 is available by calling phone number or through Web Conference Zoom members of the public will be on mute until it is time for questions or comments which will be announced at that time the public has the opportunity to question or comment by phone or through Zoom by the rais hand button and will be called on at the appropriate time notice of this meeting was included in a schedule of meetings which was adopted by resolution number 20243 and sent to the Asbury Park Press at the Two River times on January 4th 2024 post on the burough website the Bolton board and municipal building and has remained continuously posted as required under the statute with adequate notice having been given the bur clerk is directed to include this statement in the minutes of this meeting Alison may I please have a roll call Al memb Cole yes yes yes yes Bara yes yes okay uh starting off I just want to say you know when I became mayor I pledged to the community that we were going to have more events you know was part of um you know uh the agenda that I was pushing so I just hope you all enjoyed the eclipse that we put on today in the earthqu as well um Welcome to our Funway meeting of the night I already got it in there grou uh we're going to start with a proclamation Arbor Day April 26th okay um whereas in 1872 J Sterling Mor proposed to the Nebraska Board of Agriculture that a special day be set aside for the planting of trees and whereas the holiday called Arbor Day was first observed with the planting of more than a million trees in Nebraska and whereas Arbor Day is now observed throughout the nation of the world whereas trees can reduce the erosion of our precious top soil by wind and water lower our Heating and Cooling costs moderate the temperature clean the air produce oxygen and provide habitat for wildlife and whereas trees are a renewable resource giving us paper wood for homes fuel for our fires and countless other wood products and whereas trees in our burrow increase property values enhance the economic Vitality vital Vitality of business areas and beautify our community and whereas trees wherever they are planted are a source of joy and spiritual renewal now therefore I Joshua Halper mayor of the burough faan do hereby Proclaim April 26th 2024 is Arbor Day in the burough of Fair Haven I urge all citizens to celebrate Arbor Day and to support efforts to protect our trees and woodlands and be further Proclaim that I urge all citizens to plant and care for trees to gland the heart and promote the well-being of this and future Generations set my hand and seal um Alison that we get credit by doing this Proclamation for what again just so everyone understands it's shade tree is part of our um certification we always ask for a copy of that so is a real benefit to the Bur Fair Haven for doing this Proclamation every year okay thank you we are moving along now Fair uh the fair and Farmers Market has a request for expansion to mcarter park um Diana Murphy 92 Diana an2 um yeah so so about a month away from our first Market we are um hoping to incorporate some businesses that are not selling handable Goods is really kind of where this is stemming from um so utilizing the park would give a few of those businesses an opportunity to um participate specifically um Ry by AB who has a few other gyms in the area would do a pop-up work workout class um we're thinking sticks and Sprouts which is around the corner in Fair Haven would offer our class as well we books we could do reading in the park do yoga those are just the types of things that we kind of foresee um we've been really flexible with um anybody that has come to us that want to utilize our small business Collective we let them join for $25 flat fee they don't pay any market pricing so I'm hoping that we can apply something comparable to utilizing the park for these other businesses in town so that they can feel connected to the market as well um at this point we have about eight people using the small business Collective so that people from anywhere any neighborhood Bakers can come in and and sell their products um we have a short list of some businesses that would like to get involved as well so I understand that to use the parket a 10% per head fee it would be nice if we could compromise and adjust or or we bed on you know the small business Collective as well so that's kind of what we're thinking with this my only question on that um because that I mean ultimately I don't think we're going to raise much from the 10% but are we when when like Peninsula soccer club uses our fields are they charged a fee what and what's their fee is it also 10% or is it a per use 500 on ours yeah flat 500 flat 500 for what though for a season for a game or a tournament a game hold on it's a Tuesday night at 5 o' and I see a peninsula team out there and there's eight kids room they pay $500 but no that doesn't S yeah and and so so I guess my secondary question I'm not sure it's for you maybe it's more for the administ Ator is um what if they weren't taking registration fees you know what if ride wanted to come do demonstration I mean if they're if they're actually charging fees to get in you know I I'm not a porter against it's really going body call I just think it has to be clearly uh depend how early it is we've had some issues with music uh in in from that vendor in other parts of town so you know if it's going to be 8 AM and they're gonna start bling music or 9 am and people along the park might not appreciate that depending and also that it's open to all businesses that we don't you know there's there's a mechanism to have businesses come in and you know maybe the answer is that they don't charge they're just using it as a demo site to to come in and show their business that's where I was kind of going is maybe we want to say if you're using our Our Land there that there shouldn't be they shouldn't be charging their customers for that type of demonstr demonstrative in nature at all my question for you I think I need to know what goes on if fa Fields is in that capacity are we charging other groups and what are we charging them and if we're charging them $50 maybe that is the answer that they should be paying $50 but we don't take depends on the activity in the duration in the group you know as far as the charges go might be help you well I think I see I would like to know more about the fees how who's charged what and how and also that would be DJ's job right it would be but and then exactly how those fees are redeployed if if if they're if we're collecting them to offset the cost of maintenance on public plans that seems to be a rational um thought process for piece of legislation that obviously formed a permit fee and use of those funds but I haven't seen it and I don't know what it looks like but I'd like to right we we charge the do we charge the Fair Haven Foundation to to rent Fair Haven Fields when they do Fair Haven deck no okay so Fair Haven fair day is for the benefit of the community this is for the benefit of the community and it's the same small business hold on a second this is for the benefit of the business fairing day is for the benefit of the community well I think he's saying that the farmers market in general iset Community because it's offer Farmers Market yes the individual business well they're not you're not saying that the businesses are charging where're just charge the farmers market is charging them to be there well I'm wondering if we can wave the fee for the farmers market to allow them to utilize the space while we're there I also believe that if they're doing a pop-up event they should be able to I'm allowing people who are using R tent to recoup money for oh I see they can they're selling their goods anybody in town is able to use the small business Collective that lives in Fair Haven and take money from it I don't I think that we should apply the same standard to them utilizing with far it says bur burrow recognize C3 groups may be considered part an exception um $50 per use this is for the field for up to two hours 500 Max per season yeah that's that's where I have no problem with them using the field but I think we got to be consistent and and um you know when we bring a soccer team in that's a for-profit soccer team potentially like Peninsula soccer club they pay $50 I I I I don't see um the farmers Market which is in the street and bringing in a singular business to Market their goods I don't think asking them $50 to Market using that space is is a lot if not let them let them choose a tent and and use the rules that everyone else is using is it 50 per business or is it 50 for the entire use of per business so it says $50 per use would they but they would be the business it's their business though and they're a nonprofit so they they could the exception it says yeah could could be considered for an exception yes hold on but just back up real quick the $50 though would only go to the farmers market as the 501c3 whoever they decide to bring on would not be charged yes because then you'd be double charging the entity so the question is do we allow them do we have them pay the $50 to use Mar Park and they can bring as many people as they want in there because it's their business before I want to be clear ex I keep sorry um I just would like to say that when this whole idea was initiated and we first started to discuss it one of my suggestions when we were talking about parking and uh security and safety of the residents on Willow Street I suggested that we move into the park and I was told that we couldn't move into the park because they didn't want all that foot traffic they didn't want want all that activity in that area because it had been newly seated it had been um there were areas of it that resided and that it would it would create too much stress on that particular area and now we're talking about doing it anyway well I hear what you're saying um what I would say on that is you know rid setting up for an hour and putting a few bikes out and people getting on them and getting off and then moving the bikes is different than five hours of people walking next to the same tents over and over again I think it would I think it's a different degradation of the um of the sod of the grass than it would be for the one hour but it it begs a good question if if we do this you know is it is it is it going to be they're going to start ride class at 10:00 a.m. and they're going to do one every hour until 400 p.m. you know is this going to become you know and that that's that's where I have no problem with using the park I just think we need to set some guidelines on the financial side and on the actual use and there in that area are the heads depends on where they're doing I don't really know what they have in mind as far as the location goes so you mentioned River Road books ride um so for example if River Road books sit there doing a story hour every hour for a few hours or whatever it is are they charging no okay no so they're they're functioning to sort of showcase Fair Haven they're invited put their local businesses they don't have a product to sell they might invite people to go over to their store yes um they're showcasing Fair even in their businesses and this really to me doesn't trigger a a fee to the burrow um because I believe that the farmers market is functioning they're incorporating this into the farmers market I don't see it as a business Outlet only question is why don't they just do a tent like the caran library that's very Charming to put a group of kids try to figure different different vehicles for these businesses I don't I don't know if it's necessarily pragmatic of someone to May they've got the store on River Road we were just you know in there talking to them how can we get people through the door passing along you go to a story time at River books you can go and buy the book just ideating on ways to incorporate some of the small businesses that don't have goods to I I think the businesses aren't charging if they're just doing demos whether it's six and Sprouts or riding they trying to get people into their business there's no reason to get involved into the paying it it depends on whether or not they're they're using a burrow facility to turn a profit that's very different who chooses who can go in the park and do it I I would imagine if you open it all businesses and then you come up with some sort of schedule maybe you say you can accommodate two so the the Red Bank Vape the Red Bank Vape Shop can come do a demonstration needs I you I thought you talked about Fair Haven bus I think too we are only opening the small business Collective to Fair Haven and Fair Haven businesses we are trying to be open to anything in the town that's is this has been it from the offset so like obviously we're not going to let people even from rson who have reached out to us other places were saying this is strictly for Fair Haven to Garner the support of the town I do find that there is an issue if I'm letting people sell products in my small business Collective and I'm saying but that ends at the park you cannot collect money even though you are a business of Fair Haven and it would be Apples to Apples you have to stop selling your product your you have to you cannot charge so how do you limit how do you limit how many businesses you do with every month it's one popup one Farmers so how do you discern between that's just your choice who who gets the discretion just like the vors are I've had people come up to us want to be vendors and at this point we don't need 10 Bakers we don't need like we're trying to curate so that it makes sense for the town I'm talking about the park that's I'm saying from a vendor standpoint we are we are in control who's coming to this market so are you saying you're only going to do one business at a time in the park that's right so you won't have the library reading you won't have the rides going and you won't have will you have multiple on the same day no I I just want one one one per month I don't need this doesn't need to be chaos for anyone one pop up one month it's that's what and and would your insurance cover yes our insurance covers the street so that includes the entrance to the park doesn't Park itself can confirm but I'm almost positive would you this is my question I'm not sure everyone agrees with me would you agree that uh if if uh if we wanted that um the business entity that you put in the park to not take registration fees would you agree to that I don't know I I listen it's your decision at the end of the day I don't know if that's fair because I'm allowing people to charge for their feeds in my small business Collective so I just don't that to me is like you're letting one group well they can have a 10 if they want to have a 10 right the small business selective doesn't even have tents we're giving them I have a tent in my garage that I'm allowing this group to use so that they don't have to buy tents buy tables buy anything they come to the small business Collective with their cupcakes and they sell them so that's for us to bring it like we've been I think very diligent about including the town I don't understand why we can't just be like you have a pop-up class it's $10 ahead your kids can come you can come work out you can do to me it's it seems comptable that are we charging them for the street though so I don't understand why this is any different we're charging for the law enforcement to use the street but we're not charging them the fee that we're saying so wouldn't this just be an extension of that and isn't this benefiting roads to my knowledge so then we don't have anybody else that uses our parks and Fels recharge but not every one is trying to benefit our business district so as a benefit to our business district the district that we're trying to support and grow I I think that this for the amount of money that we're gaining as a burrow this nominal the minimal amount nominal amount Fe why don't we help out the business district yeah I think it's a perfectly fine idea and also if we find for any reason after a couple of shop farmers markets if we talk about it and something isn't working out it's easy enough to change it there's only been very few Mark very few people who have expressed interest in it I'm just trying to get ahead of it in case so that's would you mind if I if I did a little bit of research mov in constant communication let me take a look at it and then we cut uh April 23rd is our next meeting that's still a month before the first Market is that okay with you all right and can somebody pull the Teresa would would you be able to cool the ordinance the fee permit just so myself on that I love it um if for the 23rd just get the insurance confirmation that's really only where my head went it's from a liability perspective if somebody bums an ankle are you guys protected right because we'll to use it I just want make sure you guys are protected and I I love this too and and I've been fortunate enough to be but you know with with you from the beginning thanks to um Council Cole as well and you know no one wants to see this like well maybe maybe you want to see it succeed more than I do but there's maybe I'm a close Runner of I want to see to succeed my only thought is that do we start with the basics the original concept get that right the first year before we expand because I think this has such potential I would just love to see the chapter one executed really well and then we go to chapter two that's just that's my view I'm open to anything we've always just tried to get in front of you guys in case things come up people were getting requests I'm sure have to be really transparent with everybody that comes to us and this was an unknown so think about it I can provide you with the insurance information if we're covered and talk more about the pricing structure just in in my personally it would not feel right for me to exclude businesses that want money I think the principle inclusivity I just want to be clear to you um I love the idea but you just said what you're thinking of what I'm thinking of as mayor as the precedent that we're setting by allowing that to happen the part and treating different organizations on different on different levels that's nonprofit it is in the yeah in the or it's non for-profit for them it's not necessarily not for-profit for the entity and listen there are some there are some other you know I I'd like to know more about the strollo's um truck that's at Bay cuz that that benefits them and someone so I'd like to know some of those other relationships I think the two weeks is a good let us find out what's going on um but I think we all love the idea we just going that there was another thing was the parking spots that we had discussed briefly at one of the last meetings we presented that border Smart Start and Frame It Yourself those are burrow spots there there's a a bit of a null grassy kind of overgrown area I'd sent an email hoping that we could get rid of that like the overgrown grass to kind of create a flow from River Road into um Willow I don't know if you've been back I think I sent a picture sent a letter I misunderstood I thought yes I think we addressed that in the first meeting we would work with DP you want to have vendors in the parking lot the parking lot I thought there was we had talked that's probably down the line there's a ton of yeah fendors and we need more space it's you know that's whatever Phase 10 but just opening clearing that space would be a nice option that was the original okay bety cut the grass no as long as you wouldn't arrest us we' go orinal conversation far as we talk about that yeah we just want to open up the space so that it's a little clear for so we're planning on putting some chalk location like connectivity um very important glad you're doing that yeah so can um can that can that be Comm communicated to Rich for DPW they can assist I don't think it's that tall in order there we're gonna go like the week before to start to map all of the footprint stuff out so thank you okay uh next up we have Historic Site management Grant by Centennial Hall yeah sure sure sure um so on the consent agenda you you'll notice that there's a let's see um acceptance a donation from historic Association Fair Haven for the Grant application fee thank you very much for that generous support not to see $5,200 um the following resolution is um to authorize the application to be submitted and the third resolution is to approve fers to prepare the application for historic site management Grant application to the state historic preservation office um this is what we talked about before at the last meeting um the so the total years 51 yes that's why I right okay okay um to remind everyone this is great application for uh to basically really kind of put a finishing bow on Vice H guys sorry sorry okay the ada8 work is moving forward um there's a punch list that the uh B engineer identified and some of the additional items were added by the stakeholder group to make it clean lless and this is sort of like a final phase of work which would probe the bigger question it which has to do with what is the role of Bicentennial Hall in our community and how do we tell the story of the history of the building the landmark and the people that was um p at there and served their community and really as it turns out our state and our nation the history associated with this Lark is um extremely proud so the the scope of the work generally outlines um the the shipo looking for communities that are willing to commit to a community blade based plan that would amplify the stories and invite the community into this landmark building to hear more about what to place there and how the story unfolds over time to give you an example of the kind of things that could come as an extension of this planning work um the thing I think most people can relate to is a a component of curriculum so for example of B Hall is centrally situated within the B of fa Haven and both SLE school and Norwood School could walk directly to Bicentennial Hall and um if we were to develop a small piece of with them this would then be Ned within our school's history courses and become a very meaningful um piece of taking children actually into the building to learn more about it whether that's through a a QR code that they scan it shows up on an iPad with the slideshow or um exhibits and archival things on display these are the products that come out of the planning process um and then the other there's a major component of work that has to do with building assessments it would allow us then to understand what sort of preservation sensitive modifications might be necessary to certain systems whether it's lighting electrical or hostal um that will allow us to implement the programs that come out of the process for example what do we do during black history mon VI attendent hall or what do we do at Christmas time or throughout the throughout the year so there are many different ways to celebrate the history um I will say one more thing about this and then I'll we can talk um we have really kind of a best case scenario in terms of Grants right now in that ADA work any changes that we do have to kind of get run by shipo and um I should say that we also applied a couple months back for a landmark designation to get on the New Jersey black Heritage Trail and so this office is very much aware of Bicentennial Hall and we're on their radar um this is a perfect time for us to follow up with an additional Grant application since this is their program they're interested in helping to fund communities that want to do this work in public buildings especially um like B Centennial Hall with such a stellar history and story to tell so with that open it up can I just add something um I think it's important to note that the cost to us the match to us wouldn't be on this year's budget it would be on next year's budget MH and I think so but keep going I I go in and out of understanding this so well I mean I guess that's up to us but generally because this wouldn't be awarded to usually the fall in around the fall you say that's that's that's what they're saying the end of Summer of the fall in advance of the budget discussion for the following year but um often the round election if it's awarded in the fall do we have to demonstrate funds in the fall Teresa um usually I'm more concerned about the scope of work here just so I'm clear the The Proposal that you got dated April 4th from cers is separate from the 5150 to do the to submit the grade application oh that that this is $51,500 wor a work I'm assuming that's where you're coming up with the amount you're applying the grant for this going to give you an idea but there's no commitment at this juncture to call you for that but are you limited to this scope of work I don't know how they're going to craft the grant like you know I'm I'm looking at this you know we're talking about conditions assessment with two other vendors right now um you know you've got your you know well the conditions assessment they're talking about is more from a cultural heritage standpoint it has not to do with the physical plan which is more connected to the law Berwin proposal I think you're talking about the update to the 10year maintenance plan are two different things so there there's definitely some crossover there but having said that this I just want to be clear to the governing body this proposal from kers is really not something that that would be a whole different step approving them to do the the $51,500 worth of work oh that's above you getting that Grant yeah well that's what the grant would paid for and you used input idea how much to apply if we were if we were to move forward we'd be applying for a $51,500 grade and the bur the Burrow's responsibility would be 25% of that gr plus creep plus delivery mileage printing overnight and postage how much is that it's not specified anything that comes up with that as an addition to that but you wouldn't need to use col you're not proving $ 51,5 bu applying for a gr when the grant comes in you can it or reject it and then you can decide who you're gonna have do the scope of work everyone's talking maybe start again T sorry I I just want to make the point since since we just got this from K in April 4th and the governing body's looking at it I'm assuming the gr committee met with kers talk about what you felt the scope of work would be that you wanted this grant to cover cers then came up with what they would charge to do that scope of work hence where the 515 came but there's nothing in your approval process tonight that's saying you're going to use colar engineering for $551,500 worth I just don't know how much flexibility there is in the grant you know to say do you want to do a $7,500 Community Workshop or like you know are you married to this scope of work um and and if you are you are at the time you would probably get more than one engineering firm to give you a that's what I think teres let me can I clarify that for a minute I double click um that's your second it is so $5,200 to apply for the grant the grant amount is going to Total $51,500 yes okay so then we are not agreeing to colar scope check check but what we would be agreeing to is that the 25% that we would be responsible for if awarded the grant is1 875 so irrespective of what's included in the scope and I know we have to have a discussion of whether or not we're going to commit to the 25% or Not Right But at the end of the day what when we submit that Grant right we're not assuming we're not going to get it we're going to assume we're going to get it and then therefore there'll be a 12,875 bill due by the bar well that's so in order I want clarification from Andrew just in case this moves to a vote and it's a split vote they apply for the grant and um were awarded the grant is the burrow absolutely responsible for accepting the gr no no we we but I'm just saying out loud they could the historic Foundation that worked so hard to get this money and would put up the $5,200 in that scenario if we got to a situation next year where we were in a financially disadvantageous situation and we didn't want to put the money up they would then have to make a decision whether they let their 50200 go or they put up with 25% on their own is that correct they would have to approve for us accepting another donation of the 12875 I guess is the number 12,875 is 25 but so there's no obligation and like like Teresa just said there is absolutely zero obligation you're basically all you're approving tonight is that you're going to hire cers you're going to accept it well one you're going accept a donation from the historic uh Society then you're accept you're going to approve cers to uh submit the grant for the $51,500 and that's it that's all your that's all your obligations sub so we're okay a third resolution but that's we're not we are not committing ourselves here but I I'm saying that out loud so the historic Foundation hears that because I don't want them to ever say you Reed um you know that's where I'm at I I just want to make sure everyone hears that and I guess I want to know how committed but where where's everyone else at because that's can can I ask a question so we're talking about spending $5,200 to to write a grant and we're proposing a grant of $51,000 of which we're responsible for 25% you're basically spending $177,000 for 30 $77,000 that's like a third that's that's a lot of money that's 30 we're not paying for the 52 because that's coming out of historic assist right but we're paying $5,200 and we're paying no we're not paying 5,200 that's someone's paying it but not to burrow I'm not saying that I'm saying that that's a cost it is a cost because they believe that this is that important all of this is before you even put a nail in the wall so what happens you spend all this money you spend the that you get the grant you exercise uh coler's um proposal and we find out that what they're proposing is $450,000 and we obviously can't do that we don't have the money to do that so now we have spent $56,000 on a project that we can't complete well there are specific deliverables associated with this and that there's nothing in it that's $450,000 um I didn't say that but I'm saying once Point makes their recommendations this is more than recommendations there are recommendations that will come out of this out of the collaborative work they do with the community from a planning standpoint but then there are deliverables so in like what would be a deliverable like this for map is deliverable um um we meeting yeah that any kind of electrical plans that would that hasn't fixed anything yes it does itat of the church and you're talking about the it it provides you um it provides the community with a a program and a schedule of things to do and if for example it's not something that we can fund then other people in the community can decide that they want to help fun an example of a program sure um well I did try to do that with the educational piece program um is going to develop the educational we would need we would need the curriculum director to prove that we can't who's G to pay the curriculum direct no this we would work with the schools they're already interested in working with with fa Haven to develop some sort of program you're assuming no they no somebody remember we asked Sean in that meeting but I never heard back but we did I did send a call yeah I have calls I did POS it yes yeah this is not like made up but we can't that you know that's his call well I think we have to decide if we think that the next step is this submitting the application no not no I'm saying like the next step with bisen Hall is this if this is something that we find important then we're saving ourselves $38,000 essentially we don't really know what the cost but this is the only way to estimate it is to get someone to us at least some kind of just to be fair um we're not necessarily saving a of $38,000 if we don't need all the things that are in that no that's what I'm saying if we needed exactly what was there yes then we'd be saving $38,000 so I'm just I'm mentioning the the line that I heard when I first started I heard it a lot was don't you know don't let the Grant Drive the decisions that's that's I'm bring up at the last two B Centennial stakeholder meetings um with the big question came up because it is the next question that's going to drive a set of decisions associated with bonal Hall to what is the role this building in within the community and what is the longterm plans how will it be used now that doesn't eliminate other uses but that question is for example what happens in terms of programs and events and things throughout the year year-over year so that those Traditions become part of the Rhythm and the cycle of our community and it elevates the story of the history associated with that building this to me is we can put in all the Ada improvements we want to make the building accessible to the public the programs are how we invite the public in many people who live here don't know the stories associated with by sentenal Hall and the congregant that left that went there and lived here and it's a it's a fabulous history the state historic preservation office has been partner um with Fair Haven on by Centennial Hall for some number of years now they're aware of it with on the State national register and it's on the black Heritage Trail this is a a very nice Finishing Touch to complete programmatic piece can sorry no that's I no I I I think this is important and you're right no one I mean we would very much love to see the story play out I and I mentioned this today when we spoke to me the the what we need to get done right now are the structural issues in the building and how do we bring that up the feet how do we make it look nice this to me is chapter two and not to say we couldn't do it I just don't know a there's some unknowns already how we're going to put the money to use where we're going to get the money to me this is we should absolutely apply for it I'm just not sure now so I'm not supportive of doing it now but I am supportive of doing it in the future I think we need to get the structural it done first you know when the 25% has to be pledged well not 2025 we can't yeah and we have time but this my point is that I must see this done first there are several disclaimers in here on cost so there there are factors that are not included in the $51,000 that I'm assuming the the burrow would be responsible for and they include delivery mileage printing reproduction overnight mail service postage costs and it says right here these are not included in the lumpsum fees and will be added to each monthly invoice and in the last section it says if an item listed herein or otherwise not specifically mentioned within this agreement is deemed necessary Colliers may prepare an addendum to this agreement for your review out outlining the scope of additional services so it's very possible that the $51,500 proposal is not the bottom line and someone's going to have to pick up that well that is standard language I don't think that that is a reason to not I'm not sure what I'm hearing except sequentially the Ada work is moving forward this year the punch list items that have been carefully developed and rechecked recheck uh would hopefully move forward this year get our facilities chairman um this planning work and the programmatic development is for 2025 we we we couldn't possibly do it this year we wouldn't even know if we received the grant until later in this year let alone who's going to make the match and how that's going to work out but we those questions can't even be Ed unless we apply for the grant so mayor if I could just just say just a few things and and I'd like to hear from Casey um you know we we we decoupled the the tenure maintenance plan which the latest quote we have is $1,250 for bison call um Kristen hit upon the timing of it and the design decision is component four of the bigball plan there's there's there's two things that kind of are are not sitting with me the first one is if we get it right you always want to ass to get the grant do we know if the historic Mission will front the 25% and the only reason I'm stuck on that is is what if we tell them no and the ready the real data point is is we had to cut $550,000 from the budget this year right it's a lot of money to cut and we had to make some really hard decisions right and everybody's been fully aware of all those decisions so I would feel terrible if we approve the 5200 which I think is great I love the idea of the programming and then we get the grant which I know we would and then we would say we're not going to front the 12,875 that is what gives me the greatest pause and I'm looking at this like I would feel just like dirt if that happened and it's not just the work you put into the grant the last few weeks it's also the work that was put into that garden party as well and the funds that were raised for that and and that is that's I share the same concern as Drew I I like the idea of this um and I'm still learning about it I mean I'm I'm learning more and I would I would probably even the one thing that I'd say differently is if you did get to me and and you still wanted to move forward I would I would vote I probably would vote Yes but it would be with the caveat of what I said and letting you know that there there's no guarantee I would support the 25% on the backside and it would result in what Drew said which would be not a good situation so the timing is such that um and then this application is due on 418 um which leaves approximately next th n days um and however caller has said that they can meet that deadline and I know that they have actually po some information in advance of that just so that they're ready um and if you want to hear from I do and just one thing I could add like when when you respond to and you're hearing up here is H have there been any Plan B contingency discussed saying hey we agree with these one two 3 four five steps and we're going to do these five steps and have different fundraisers and maybe we'll start with the community Workshop which is $2,300 more than the 5200 for the grand right and start there like is has there been any discussion about you know breaking this into smaller components to to find a way to move along so I just also throw that there C can I clarify something El that's one body of work you can't take them apart it's a sequential piece of work that but you can put on an implementation end if there's something like for example bety said well maybe you have come up with Exhibit cases to store and display archival things there's a c associated with that sure one of bet points great I'm just going off of what we did with the PD Community Center DPW first starting with Community involvement open houses to then inform the next step so what I'm wondering is is I understand all of these pieces are interrelated just like in facili however there could be a sequential manner in which they are delivered in order to achieve the same results saying can you do the story map and then hole in their rest they're all they're the way that this is bundled they're both in out so you can see components for fees and understand that but I mean maybe you could argue Building Systems analysis could be separated but the other things all like the story map is part of what's happening for the community over house I agree if we if we want to dive in a little bit right the acoustical analysis based on the scope of work is to look at whether or not an AV system we can't make that decision until we get feedback from the community on what they think the intent should be we wouldn't be able to design it the architectural engineering analysis unless we knew what we're going to do so you know and we can't know until there's a conditions assessment right so I I understand that but but to say that all this it's all or nothing I don't think it's can I recommend that we hear from Elise just because maybe she has something that changes um you know the council's opinion if not I think we've spent a considerable amount of time on this discussion as well and at a certain point the votes will go the way they go hi I'm Elise Casey 263 Road um I just want to go on record say I think this is perfect right time for this um the enthusiasm of the building and all of the support we have and the work that's getting done right now I think this is the time right now to do this and um as far as the components getting broken down the coler's report hasn't been put in front of the entire board yet so that that discussion has not happened okay um which will happen Thursday um but I think this is just so beneficial for the community with B sentennial Hall and um story of the building and to amplify what it means for this community and I just see also you know besides the historic Association providing the money the donating the money for the application Grant we're also going to be discussing potentially matching maybe taking a vot on Match on the match maybe on Thursday so about to 25% yeah that's going to be discuss to see if well we don't have we don't have another meeting before this is good right no that wouldn't happen till later yeah the matching would would happen the 25% will come later right I think come later whether they possibly were will to do that anyil in the scope of work Tracy is there any flexibility in the scope of work um it submitted like like like let just say decided not to the accusal analysis or you want to move forward with that piece of it do you know if there's flexibility in the scope board you met with col and up with this we work together to try to come up with something that was met with the grant guidelines but also um D with obviously what I can anticipate the community's needs not getting ahead of the process but in understanding where we're at right because one 2.1 2.2 fit together to me correct and then three and 3.1 are are more to do with making recommendations for what would all be greater investment in building yes so I need to double click in the double click s that so I want try to summarize what I what I what I think we're talking about and I have another question for the profession so we are voting to accept I'm round the numbers we're going to vote to accept a $5,000 donation that will pay for a grant application the grant is for $5,000 we will pay a portion of it Grant will pay the rest the ask is that we pay 25% of whatever we get in the grade and that will produce a plan plus Postage and that will produce a plan for how to transform B Centennial Hall which will cost BET's point will cost something presumably except for the programs are part of the deliverable so it isn't justify okay so some soft things are delivered but if someone just walks in they're not going to see anything different from the plan can you give me an example so yeah quite a larger plan it's not it's not people painting and so you're saying if we have to change the if they decide we have to change the the audio or the whatever the sound we then bur would have to front the money yeah the plan could say we need to change audio but it doesn't the $50,000 pay for the AUD change it just says we need to change the audio if you if you recall we have a certain amount of money that was bonded some years ago um for by Centennial Hall it's now anticipated that those funds would be expended in fact we don't have these the answers to these questions have not been we hav't asked the question or we have arrived at the answer say for example do the Acoustics work for say a film series probably we might not but what do we need to do to make that so this would provide that this is what you need to do to make sure you can produce a film series and offer it here now we know we have have the funds to do that but we still need that professional guidance to joance and we provide that we don't know how much yeah I'm also just pointing out you know councilman La you mentioned that they could put up the $5,100 $5,200 whatever it is and then next year we could turn them down and that would be devastating right that's but there's also another step $5,200 and then they could front another 25% and then we could get the scope of work and then we could turn them down on the scope of work also and the financial outlay from them could be we you know by the time we get to that point you know it's not going to be the same governing body we're probably talking a year and a half two years out you never know who's who's sitting up here making those decisions I'm just pointing it out that we're taking a little bit of a leap of faith here over a period of time that we're we're not committing to work but there's a risk involved in applying for the grant the next step in the 25% and then after that the Acoustics you know need to be fixed on the ceiling there's money that we have to put into that and there's a lot of steps while I don't think we have to do everything they recommend you know at that point we could probably pick and choose right I assume at that point you could pick and choose what you want to do but there's still risk of ass but at least you know you you know what to do that would actually inform not just the governing body but also say for example a local not for-profit who's willing to raise money and allocate those dollars towards these efforts right now there's nothing for them to attach a game plan to sure what do you want to I didn't get to ask the professionals so last meeting there was a lot of resistance or problems I thought about accepting a donation and then um the requirements for going out for bid you know with the grant do we use call years is the is the dollar amount low enough the 5200 is not problem as long as they give us the donation I can have the purchase the governing body's action so the concerns from the last meeting we're good tonight but the you know like I said the second scope of work that's outlined here is a gr that's a whole different that's a different yes which would be taken up later yes are you guys uh you know the mayor laid out a lot of risks what's your take on let's say we got forbid we got to step two and you've laid out the 5,000 plus something more and then a future governing body says you know what we don't have the for Capital we can't we can't we're are we need new fire trucks we can't we can't do it um I think that's the association is in full supported this Grant and a risk we're just willing to take um the benefits of what this could be are just incredible the story mapping piece I've seen Ker's work on story mapping it's so great and the last council meeting um I forget J someone had asked where is asked the kids at no one where's B Hall and nobody raised their hand one kid raised his hand and they called it oh that's a scary church that's a scary church and it was completely heartbreaking for two reasons if nobody even these kids don't even really know where it is or what it is and then that's like the reputation that's bad that's bad do you plan on keeping the total fee of the grant at 515 you said you the the commission hasn't had a chance to see the scope aboard from cers is there a chance this goes above 51500 and the 25% that we're responsible for could increase I don't see it going over and just if if it did the most it would go up was 5 gr there's only another 20 gr yeah 75,000 it's 24,000 divid 4 it's 6 grand so it' be 19 grand um plus scope three plus it's the same I mean different amounts but it's the same same story yeah I think it comes kind of down to again do we want to do we want to do this type of plan and if we do when are we ever going to have the money if we don't do a grant if because we're not saying that we're going to have it in the budget next next year so so we can't guarantee does anyone else need information on this topic no sir I would like to make a motion if you I think I think it's so when we get to consent pend we'll vote thank you thank you anyone say uh you will in one second because we're getting to public comment on agenda items only and that's an agenda item uh so at this time we do public comment on agenda items only this gentleman is going to be the first one up uh please observe if you want I'm not forcing it please observe a time limit of 3 minutes say say your name and address for the 32 um I think I understand that this grant I didn't I know anything about it before I got here is to create a road map for Fisk Chapel by sentennial Hall um the risk I I think U mayor the risk that you were bringing up is a political risk to somebody in the future and to the historic Association if if this Council was made up of a different proportion of people and it not to continue to fund the recommendations to come out of the road map I think most people would say that makes sense but if you don't do it um I've only seen circle with people not knowing what the plan is for FIS Chapel it's for a long long time so this will give you the road map and um as with any Financial strategy there's going to be there's going to be go noo points and I think any reasonable person realizes Nobody Knows the fiscal situation two years from that but otherwise this just puts you back and particularly the part about uh sort of the educational Community social program with this it needs to get started some of the recommendations that come out of this I suspect people could do as volunteers you may not have to spend any money but you were asking a question exactly what's concrete to come out of this you don't have a concrete plan at least you will have a road map otherwise you will have nothing without doing something like this because there's nothing else on the table and I I just wanted to say that the physical reconstruction of um FIS Chapel really you shouldn't consider that to be enough it should not be satisfactory that you do the Ada and we fix the root and we put in nice the real value to that to that this Chapel is um the value to the community and to the history and a lot of Pride it could create particularly in with some of the school kids who don't know about it when they hear the story they'll be excited about it so I don't think the future risk um is something you should be so concerned about because you don't have a future risk you know that you don't have to go anything I believe after this plan comes through but if this plan doesn't come through you don't know what you have to fun so it's it just seems um if you're committed to creating fish Chapel as an ass said to the community you should vote to have a plan and I I heard the association even say they would pick it up if the town can't pay their 25% I think that they un sure but I know I know they can pick it up and they that we didn't want that to happen but I don't think the risk is what you think it is um it is a political risk but everybody who supports this will would gladly accept that b a plan so you have the political risk that you have to take otherwise nothing's going to happen there except physical restruct that's what you're basically really you're going to paint it we're going to do the Ada and it's going to remain by sentenal Hall but it's not going to have the story of this chap for the town that's thank you Steve so Steve real quick I just want to correct something for the record right because um the the last year's governing body and this year's governing body has agreed to a plan for Bicentennial Hall that includes four components right component one is the ad80 upgrades component two is the punch list items component three um is the 10-year maintenance plan that's required to maintain it and then component four is if there's some greater functionality of Bicentennial Hall so I don't want there to be any conflation that this governing body or the one L year right consistently for two years has set getting bend of H in a good State as a priority because we have right the question is how right and the question is what whether or not this is the right way to go about implementing the plan that does exist to get bis all from where it is where it is where it's at the other thing I'd like just to to just hit a stand because you kept referring to this as a political decision right and I think if this governing body and even the one last year has done anything we always attempt to make the decision that's best for Fair Haven and I think the mayor's done a phenomenal job of preventing politics from coming into clout what we do and how we do it I appreciate so I just want to just just you know you said this is the first time you here for the B oh I want to give you the background and then just kind of level set there I was I was optimistic he meant political risk that maybe we would be up that's I I was optimistic he meant political risk that maybe the same group wouldn't be up there sure just didn't want anything up for interpretation because we've done a really hard doing that so appreciate you hear sir um is there anyone else in the public public comment on agenda items only no Alison I just tell tell Chris to hold on if he can hang on Chris hi Emily Billington and I'm here representing the Estuary art show which is going to take place at Bicentennial Hall in a couple of weeks um my cousin Anna's here sorry my address is to Hill Crest Road and this is my cre um I'm so excited to hear you talk about the restoration of this building um I grew up in this area my grandfather worked at the hardware store my grandmother was the soprano in the choir at the church and um I have a big appreciation for some of the relics of our town and um one of the the hopes of our art show is it's a community event highlighting all the talent in our area started small and we very quickly had 20 artists and a weight list of even more of that more artists um so we're realizing this thing is much bigger than what we had anticipated and it could become an annual thing one thing we had talked about was um and it was it it was too soon to make it happen in time but making um a Black History Month event art show next year if I know there are Renovations that are happening that are done by then um we've started to identify some artists of color from the area and it would just be another exciting Community event not only to highlight the history of the building but again to bring people together and support of each other um what I wanted to say is that I realized um in our process that we may have stepped out of bound at some point in regards to the pews and we apologize for that there was no disrespect and the reason we brought them up was to have them appraised for restoration so that as part of our art show which is a community fundraiser for the building um we could earmark some of it for the restoration of pews um and I'm here to ask because it feels like to have them as part of the show um on display not for seating but for display purposes all this part of it going to have it feels like um important because it's highlighting the artistic one of our original artists Nathan J Williams who handcar them uh in the 1880s so um the man that we had come in of craze the pews had no qualms about them structurally being up in the room and on display and we won't use them for seating um but he did say that they were okay for and he sat on them and he moved them around and it was like things aren't built the way they used to see um but I guess I'm here to say pretty pleased with sugar on top can we use eight pews for the art show for display purposes only um you can still see where they used to sit if you look at the WIS cating in the room and it just feels like they really belong in each show so that's what I here asked I think we can well well we can answer that I'm not sure so my concern which was the concern that was provided by the buau was a safety concern so I realized that the gentleman told you that they could be used but you know the first time one of those things flips over that gentleman's not going to be in the courtroom answering to the issue so I guess my question would be how do we determine you know and assess the risk I had made the um Teresa if you remember I had said can we bring up one put it up against the wall rope it off but what what are you looking to do with them are you putting the yart on them is that what no one will be sitting on them um I'm using them for display putting the art on them I'll also be using them to create a flow to the room since it's one big open space I'll need to create some direction to you know guide the public um but no one will be sitting on them all being served at this event there is carry limited liability insurance for the event as well which I can send you it's an extension of farmers market coverage for a one event how G have a I I I I need to hear from bur attorney um that my concern is the same that I'd love to use the pews I mean it sounds awesome but what was told to me and maybe it's incorrect was the pews were designed to either be um attached to the ground or attached to the wall and if they're designed in that capacity and they're not being used in that capacity and something were to happen and event where alcohol is being served you know how things going to happen that that's my concern that's how it was um presented to me as the mayor attorne would you agree to um basically put them against the wall yes so for perimeter would you would you be able to get like some sort of rope to rope it off is that possible or is that not wonder if the Rope is necessary because I want um people to be able to I just don't want it to be visually imping for the art that's going to be displayed on them if they're backed up against the wall I mean I can put signage on each that says not for sitting if that helps the ones that will be in the middle of the room will be back to back so they again like will have extra support of each other um and it's not just the four of us that will be working us we have a crew of people who are you know pth with various jobs but um the Ambiance here is you know we this is um going to be a a you know a very nice everyone will be decorated in clothing like there it's it's an event that will be the background is a spring quartet it's really question drinking event yeah but it's not question it's not a question of supporting it right I think everybody loves the idea it's a question of liability so what happens if somebody gets hurt and that's the question that we have to answer and and and if if it were to happen truthfully I'm we're the ones that have to answer for Redemption that that's the concern so it's listen I'm going to be there I can't wait whether whether this pews are not well it sounds like the pews are in integral to the instant now I might have learned something that you didn't know but I think that they're integral they're here asking because there really isn't another way to display the art we can't hang things on the wall because we can't nail the Art's the art so I think that's what I wasn't getting I was the art is going to actually be on the you're on the resting on the benches so no one's going to be sitting on them because the Art's there no's going to be touching them there's no other way for them to actually install display and I don't think that's that's a separate issue that's they designed something before they got approved that's a totally different discussion again I I trust we always say nothing's going to happen and then mommy's you know having a drink while little Zach Halburn is running around and he runs on a bench and he no children coming in all right that's what we need to hear there's no children how do we here's the question now now we turn to Teresa these benches are pretty heavy we're asking to get eight upstairs how we doing it certainly wouldn't want people that weren't for employees to do it you if you're going to do it you would do it from a timing perspective where you did tap into your DPW staff to bring them up and it would be within a day or so of the event because it's they're not the only group uses biso Hall the small benches you know are are a whole different animal because they they are very Tippy they they they can't be used in that respect you got to worry about how they're placed whether other groups will drag them along scratch the floors and things that go along with that one and then they're going to have to decide whether they're staying up or they're going down that's part of what the historic you know commission it it has to make a determination there was always some talk about putting a couple of benches on display right but if you if you if you leave eight benches up there then then it's going to take away from your open space and that might work for some activities but it's not going to work for others so what you really need to I think well because when the rest when the renovations start they're going to be brought back down no matter what like that work that's going to get done are going to be have to be brought back down well the bur have they'll have to bring them up and they'll have to bring them down I'm assuming they're going to bring them down the next day yeah I think that is there something else you're here we have the art show open the whole weekend as well so the event is the Friday night and the art show is still on display from 12: to 5: Saturday still only adults yes no no alcohol on Saturday no alcohol only adults reception with the idea being that on Monday they get taken down are you new y yeah for sale that's where the um it's a fundraiser for the farmers work so DPW brings the benches up they put them down you start setting up for the show and then you decide you want the benches somewhere else no that's that's the concern that bety just brought up the floors and we know that you don't want the floors damaged 100% if there's anyone this burrow that doesn't want the floor damag it's four people in front but what's the what's the process it sounds like they already know where they want to go seen them yeah so once they're set they don't get touched until the DPW picks them back up on yes yeah yeah they're not good yep thank you really thank you anyone else before we go to Chris yes motion to approve motion to approve motion all in favor anyone oppos thank you uh anyone else public comment on agenda items only can I go back to Chris yes okay I'm unmuted um and by the way I agree with um Mr councilman lababa about the politics and that how mayor has not really made it a part of the agenda and I really appreciate that as well I think that's a phenomenal thing about this this Administration um looking forward to the art show uh but back to the uh farmers market so I want to thank uh councilwoman cotch for bringing up a something that's you know been top of mind for us is why aren't we using the park why does it have to be in the street where it can you know where it restricts traffic um and then the other I think some of that question was why not Memorial Park where it's a little more centrally located but um I guess there's a couple of questions one is uh on the traffic flow will the police the the Mark it's my recollection and please refresh my memory that the farmers market will be paying for the police to be a present for safety and traffic yeah yeah obviously if you live let you go out on the wrong way just like when construction road will there be Jersey barriers to um um on either side okay um the then I guess the say thank you for that uh Chief and then um with respect to the the grass usage um again look I mean I I like where councilwoman was going with that I like the idea that the the the farmers market um team has put together to to expand into the park we actually we personally think it's a it's a better idea to have it in the park because it's less restrictive on traffic flow I'm not convinced that once a month foot traffic on grass is disruptive to the health of our of our properties I think um once a month foot traffic on that Park versus the everyday foot traffic or 5 days a week that it gets during the school year is much less intrusive and there's many examples um you know some highlevel examples might be tuckaho Turf some of the dads in the room or moms in the room might be going to tournaments down there it's a sod farm you know they encourage the use of of foot traffic on their sod it eventually makes it genetically more healthy and then they sell it to Yankee Stadium and other big venues the Masters Tournaments coming up this week going to they're going to have a lot of foot traffic and that and that grass is going to recover very quickly um not even on the course but where the where the players are and also if you remember Fair Haven fields we have Fair Haven day there's a ton of foot traffic on the fields at Fair Haven day and if you go back there a couple of weeks later you'd never know it happened so I I'm not convinced that we have a a real good argument for not using the park and I liked seeing the agenda tonight because I thought that opened the window for using a park where you're not going to close the street down you're going to use the maximum amount of parking that was provided with the school construction um and it's less you know it's less of an I don't know of a disruption to the flow of the town you know um anyway I you know I think that that's I think it's worth keeping that concept alive I appreciate um the burough administrator's concerns for the grass but I'm not sure that that you know that either She nor the mayor or any of us really are experts in in Grass recovery and and things like that uh we have opinions on the matter but the evidence would probably support that once a month is is adequate for a farmers market on that field and I think you know three to four weeks of recovery is is is is more than adequate um especially during the summer months which is the peak growing season so I just wanted to you know share those thoughts um since it's on a table again uh we are a huge fan of the farmers market I can't wait for it I can't wait for it I'm a huge fan but I I just I wasn't fully sold on using the street in lie of the park which is right there so yeah Chris just this is Andrew um so it's not on the table we're we're closing off the streets uh we're talking about an additional usage of the park as uh for I guess what is it a popup popup business uh tents to be used but the streets closure was what was approved by the governing body and that will continue we're talking about another usage and that is another usage of the U mcord Park Chris but what I would say before we we move along here is um we're going to get a lot of data over these next seven dates is it over the next seven dates um and we're going to learn a lot before next year and if you know going into 2025 if if we feel as if the venue is better in the park then we'll certainly pivot as a governing body into doing that we're we're going to be flexible and not rigid when it comes to um this event and also I I have a feeling that um you know the young ladies that have put this event together so eloquently are are going to be on top of what's best for the event as well and and consider it to the neor and community so of course and they've done a fantastic job but just just so I want to make sure that it's clear and on the record the meeting where where this was being proposed uh mayor uh the actual it wasn't uh it wasn't stated and I guess I'll go back to the recording in the minutes but I'm I'm I'm fairly certain because it's in my notes um what you said was not we would wait a full year to reconvene we would take a look at it and see how it's going and we could pivot um what I'm hearing now from the Bur in the mayor is is that no that's not on the table we have to wait until 2025 season before we can make a change no you know I'm I'm speaking a little bit off the cuff here Chris if if we if if um the farmers market came to us a month after you know the fir if they came to us the week after the first event and they said listen it was a great event but we don't think it worked as well as it it would in the park I think we would definitely discuss the the potential of moving it to the park and potentially immediately yeah don't Mis I'm not saying you're mischaracterizing but don't uh misconstrue what I'm saying on that we're okay that's cool no I just wasn't sure I maybe misunderstood what the bur attorney just said and what you said um but what if okay just out of curiosity if the farmers market came to you and said everything's working great and a bunch of residents said it was a total disaster what then well we could revisit that as well yeah we we have know what what was a disaster and we would discuss that like we discuss any other thing up here and make the best decision for the bur yeah I mean it's that includes the neighboring residents yep it's gonna come down to traffic I mean when the school was under construction the school was closed and and that was you know that was a big part of it uh I actually I don't know if you recall um and I'm not sure if you were the mayor but I had a proposal to actually cut Willow Street in half and give the property to the school which had been done many years in the past and again um and and that was that you know obviously that's something that the residents would love to see um but the temporary blocking of the street is is sort of the concern because there's no expectation to it but again I can't I can't again I'm not looking this is no way shape or form to to poo poo the farmers market we love it we think it's a great idea I'm excited for it I actually might want to be a vendor someday you know um it's more about maximizing it like why isn't Memorial Park in play why isn't mcarter Park and play why are we stopping traffic on a street as a as a first priority I I we understand your concerns at this point we've made the decision to start in the capacity that we have um I I fully expect uh that the leadership of the Farmers Market along with the governing body will um you know level set after the first event and and uh we'll we'll manage the event in the proper way um I'm going to move along here Chris and we thank you for your comments okay real quick where's the where would the police be be present will they be present in the parking um dead end area of Willow Street where the Jersey barriers will be or will they be floating thank you thank you thank you anyone else no all right with that being said uh going to move along to approval of minutes starting with March 11 2024 uh regular meeting second Alon may please have a roll call Council M yes are yes yes yes yes approve okay thank you uh March 15 2024 executive session motion second Alison may I please have a roll call Pa yesi yes yes yes yes thank you March 25th regular meeting and executive session motion second Alison may I please have a roll call yesi yes yes Yesa yes yes thank you uh old business we have a facilities update thanks mayor h l we already uh level set on B Centennial Hall um no updates on PD Community Center um going to go straight to DPW um in your hands mayor um is the grow colors there're they don't provide actual physical um samples samples thank you of it um last time we spoke we were leaning towards Raven and and the gray one so um the the professional team recommended Raven but this was one of the things that came back for us I think at the last meeting we were all leaning towards the gray one um so we'll be looking for final feedback to give to the professionals on this this is the last six P are you just doing that talk about I think it's to the contrast is going to be unusual um personally if that's what you're asking for what it should it should be a little bit more monatic so it's matching the color is slightly better than so much contrast that's my opinion what are you saying don't go oh you're saying natural gray too yeah so the two you were saying natural gray no I'm saying oh you saying R I'm staying out of's natural gray natural gray natural gray gr I have no idea Raven I know you I trust all I don't care move on let me know when you talk about the budget natural gr perfect um okay um we were hoping to have if you recall the plywood change order right that wasn't there fully we're hoping to get it on the agenda tonight uh we'll have it for the 23 evil meeting um we did have uh two River Water Reclamation Authority come out um and televis the sewer pipe um they're going to there's two pieces here good news they're going to replace their portion of it which is from edge of pavement to the mate um they uh continue to attempt to televise from the edge of pavement to the building and were unable to meaning they weren't able to get the camerain system through the sewer pipe and the recommendation the strong recommendation is to replace the entire sewer pipe um we're waiting on what the cost is going to be um to look at that given that we want this renovation to last the next 40 to 50 years um with the street open with all the offsite M improvements happening all of that so I just wanted to put that out there we're waiting for more data uh more to come though on that um that's everything that I have mayor thank you one quick comment I just wanted to you know commend you councilman councilmen uh laa Bara because there's you have been extremely communicative transparent inclusive the entire time even on the most minute details and you've rattled everything off with impeccable attention to detail um you know you you have all of our support but I just wanted to commend you this is like your second job but you the the level of detail that you know on every aspect of every building that we're trying to improve is is impressive thank you quadruple clicking quadruple it's a very f Way cont winner winner all right uh new business introduction of ordinances number 20245 amend Chapter 30 land use section 3.3 d11 notice the public hearing this Teresa or Andrew do you want to just explain real fast what's going on there I'm happy to if you don't want to basically fundamentally um this came up from the zoning board uh we prior had the ability to uh just list or advertise a block and lot and um there looking to say if an a if an address is available that the notice reference both the block and lot and the physical address this will C their facilitate transparency so for example if you're on a 200 foot list and neighbors working on their home they're obligated to send you a notice of the times notice will just provide a lot block so the subject property is not evident to you the neighbor 77 seat Avenue say block 35 ex this they put the much better people didn't know it right well they could find it home run have a motion to approve Al please have a roll call yes yes yes yes yes yes thank you consent agenda 202 24-85 through 101 um before I ask for a motion does anyone want to separate any of the votes yes yes you want to separate 98 through 100 together yes I assume everyone will vote the same on 98 99 and 100 that make sense yes sound like one's contingent on the other right yeah they all okay um before we get to those um does anyone have questions on anything else that's on the consent agenda I just want to understand the corrections that we've talked about for qpa versus CFO salary does that need does that require us to strip out no okay I do have a comment on budget though I don't know if you have a comment mayor but I would like to raise a comment on 85 and 86 before BR it um or no you mean the positive news you're saying I that to you yeah go ahead so um first time five years the municipal tax portion why don't you reference which uh resolution 2024 I'm I'm speaking 20 2486 thanks to um Brian Teresa please everybody had a had had a phenomenal effort in this so the first time in five years um our Municipal Taxes are decreasing um now that doesn't account for school and whatnot um and want to point something out here it's decreasing after taking into consideration how our total net valuation which is what Fair Haven is worth has gone up by over $200 million and with the assessed value of each home going up around 106 Grand so it's different to say like hey and Teresa knows the language better than I do a Brian that the that the that our tax rate has gone down that really doesn't mean that much if your total net valuation of the town is going up and your set value is going up so yes our tax rate went down array however the real value is is that even after our assess value to G our Municipal Taxes are decreasing so Bri I I do want to point out that that's as a town there there are situations where someone's specific real estate taxes of their specific home will go up based on the valuation of their home but as a to Total municipality on average for this year taxes are going down only the municipal component Municipal component which is 22% of the budget for every dollar of taxes 22 cents of it C to the municipality the rest is school County Brian anything else because there's a Monumental effort I think straightforwardly and we're going down significantly in the tax rate and you'll see a lot of people count that but it's just ingenuous if you don't look at the comparing the average assess house last year the average assess house uh in in 2024 and uh you know it the decrease is is certainly notable uh particularly when you take that in mind I was going to say I sort of summarized it by Ken May um I think the budget is prudent I think it maintains our services it's gives us resiliency keeps taxes as low as possible and back down and I think it honored our priorities which I have as safety maintenance environmental stewardship and then fairly compensating our employees thanks excellent budget great great J thank you um does anyone have any questions again on anything else on the consent agenda all right so um I think we should start with 20 24 Das uh 98 through 2024 d00 you I have a motion to approve move by have a second Alison please have a roll call M PA yes Missi yes no no bar no hson yes um yes but I'm going to say it out loud again there's risk associated here and no one up on you know I'm not committing on the council to further spend understood all right uh now 2024 d85 [Music] through 2024 97 and then also 2024 d 101 motion first second Alison may I please have a roll call yes yes yes yes yes yes thank you uh Department reports March 20124 uh municipal clerk and dog license do I have a motion to accept the reports with a thank you as submitted motion with a thank you second all in favor I anyone opposed thank than you uh does anyone have a good of the burrow comment please stand and identify Yourself by clearly stating your name and address and your function plot anyone in the public I do have a comment I know if I'm GNA hold it hold it till in case anyone no one in the public uh Alison anyone Susan O'Brien o'ri good evening I went to I went to the Acme the other night at 9:00 it was Pitch Black the chief reached out I think CH have 100 grandal problems they're working on it they're trying to get it back up but something they have problems got contract so did they not know about it um we I called them the very next day and then they called back and said thatal problem working I'm not sure if they I'm assume they already knew okay thank you anyone else Alison um just a a quick update uh there'll be two brush and leaf open houses coming up um one this week April 11 6 pm here in Chambers and then one on the 27th of April at 9:30 a.m. so again it's that Thursday night Saturday Morning theme um and then there will will be a seniors briefing um just to provide updates and whatnot so just giving folks a head thanks M thank you anyone else we're good good all right with that being said uh we are going to move to Executive session D have a motion moot second all in favor anyone opposed thank you to go back to the general meeting at 10:13 p.m. all in favor anyone opposed do I have a motion to adjourn motion motion all in favor anyone oppose good night