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the minutes of this meeting. Roll call. Leah Beani absent. Peter Datti here. Mike D'Angelo. I see you but you're muted. Here. Mike Coey absent. Chris Larson here.
Chris McKe absent. Rebecca Fleet. Jill Sullivan absent. Bonnie Torivio here. Councilman L Barbara present here. Burough secretary Christy Larson
is here. You have a quorum. Okay. Um flag is back here. Please uh stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Uh people the prior meeting minutes. Did anybody uh everybody look over the meeting minutes of the last meeting? Anybody questions, comments, concerns? No. you copy or of the minutes
last. All right. Motion to approve. Yes. Motion. Second. Second. All right. Minutes approved. All right. We're going to get right into the project updates. uh
keeping the agenda pretty light as we are tackling this community forestry management plan and uh Bill and Jacob are here to once again guide us through the
process. Um anybody want to start off? Do you have any I know Bonnie did submit some questions and concerns. Um I had just um I looking over the guidelines and the
uh the outline bill um I was concerned or not concerned but really just trying to wrap my head around the process and the things that really should be focused on. And what I get from it is it's kind of
a is it more of a liability issue, a a liability mitigation plan, uh a planting plan, uh all things wrapped in one. It's um it's a plan. Okay. It's encompass all
those. Um there there is a concern uh not so much liability but risk to the residents right um but there is incentive to go through the planning process and that's the toy claims liability protection that's accorded to
the shade tree commission if you you know you're accredited you have a through a plan you do your duties and you have at least two core training people in town be involved you will be a paid standard So uh there is that makes more than
sense but the plan is yours uh to to how you want to manage the resource period. Okay. Uh to include and the guidelines are exactly that guidelines to help you through the planning process. Okay. I think that I did receive some comments
from from Bonnie and uh I made changes to the plan as a result of that. um what I'll make I'll make copies of that send it to you uh and those changes like based on that
um and I mean well we discuss I mean I might as well sorry to interrupt um people that are zoomed in no one else can see here but me so if you have a raised hand I don't know chairman if you wanted to do more of a discussion you
can't see somebody's hands raised. Okay. So, do you want to You're allowed to talk through on your own. Um I don't have you if you do. Oh, no. Pretend you're sitting here. I'll I'll save my substantive comments.
I I can I could I took feedback to to the CFMP that was sent out. Draft two. Is that the most recent version to provide feedback to? Yes. Okay. So, I uh I love this. I think it's great and I think it's a phenomenal
document. I think uh two ways that we could strengthen it is to tie it back both to the master plan as well as tie it back to the ERRI that was just done out of environmental. And so the reason
I articulate that is because these types of documents which which hone in on a specific subject area are great but we never want to lose sight of the entire um strategic approach to a variety of different aspects in the town. And so I
know the ERRI touches upon this. I know the master plan touches upon this. So, if there was like a one or two paragraphs added, tying it all together would be super super u impactful. Hey Drew, I don't think the current master plan says much about trees,
right? the I haven't looked at the re-examination report recently, but when you look at like when you look at Bonnie the recent legislation and the updated tree ordinance and and whatnot, we can start
to understand that when the master plan new examination happens, right, that that that trend continues. So, I think it'd be really really valuable if there was some, and I'm more than happy to help out with this thought process on
tying all of these documents together so that they become much more authoritative as a as a single set of documents. Vice just one. Well, Bill, I I think one of the things I mentioned, we are right in the
process. We're doing a we're doing the major overhaul of the master plan, right? could be expensive instead of just I can't remember the term terminology but do you have um good language from I don't know one of these you know
towns like Princeton or something like language that we should think about incorporating in our master plan and coming from this you know like just that would be super helpful to look at some of the best
KFMPs and how they help direct their master plan with regard to making certain trees and yeah, it's a good plan um or a good comment. I I can make the point for that and it's one of the goals
in in the guidelines plan connections and other considerations. you mentioned it in your comments about the ERRI as well as how you can make connections to other boards or commissions in town or or other folks
that would be partners with you and uh so that was one of the discussion items and I think it's a great point because they want to do just that. They want you to tie yours in into others whether it's an emergency management plan or it's um
the master plan. Uh it's it's in the guidelines as as a recommendation. Yeah, that's awesome. And I just I just did a cursory look in the re-examination report of 2016. There is minor mention of tree
preservation. Um there's nothing in the 2005. And then I don't know if the 1991 master plan allows you to search. Yeah, it's not OCR, so I can't search that once. I'd have to read through 91. But in the 2016 master re-examination, minor there's there's like two or three times
tree preservation's mentioned. Um, but nonetheless, when you look at what's happened over the last couple years with the legislation, the tree ordinances, and all that, I think you can make a a strong case to to tie it all together. I'm more than happy to help
you out too, Bill. I can send you some some language if you want a paragraph or two, sir. I don't mind volunteering that. Yeah, if you were dabbing, terrific. You're going through the master plan. The most recent one is
Okay, I'll take care of it. I'll report back. Chris, I'll go through you, sir. Did that. Sorry, I I think I got cut off. Um, I'll go through you, Chris. I'll get like the couple sentences put together, a couple paragraphs. I'll send it to you.
Okay, sounds good. Great job, everybody. Thank you. There's a there's an easy way to tie some things into what's included in that. We can make mention of that, right? Tie it in, but not overlap,
right? It's to include some of the work that's been done in that to incorporate that in as well as the uh inventory as some of the information to help build your plan. Um because it's supposed to
be qual and it's it's also supposed to be a link to partnerships. If you were you wanted to um through that information that you're that's going to go into this you can have a
stronger relationship or partnership with historic preservation or parks and rec. Sure. That way you can use that. You can put that in there. What do I mean? Like the I mean I I think tying in with the
uh the business community or the uh business association of fair. What do we what do we call that? um tie in there because I mean I think that's really the area that we struggle with is our business our street our business district a really sad main
street right we can get cooperation from local businesses to um yeah promote tree planting is there association or something there is it's associ
very um I think they're just rebranding themselves main street USA or I don't there's some rebranding going on but I I do in some turnover but I can get you whatever you need to let me know
work with spring may have a small downtown as well and they're involved in things like tree selection maybe you know certain concerns about treaties. They better be known. So chry business
associations work together. Um everybody's comfortable what's being is that while yes you got the you were on the email when it the uh shore area
shade tree they have a regional that meets. I don't remember seen it, but it's it's like panic 2050. Oh, okay. Yeah, they had an effort called Canopy 2050. They just said it this week. Yeah,
they see um Spring been doing this for a long time and and they their new head of the shade tree commission. He's looking at the 20. Nobody looks Nobody looks in that like
that mean we put a man on a might but you never see it but they they want to look out their inventory in their plan this year as well. So they want to incorporate that and see how they can
make sure that the resource 2050 is better. Kickstart this. There's a their chairman's name is Scott McMurray. Okay. And Sid knows everything as well. She's
she spoke at the um She Federation conference like she's a lawyer and she's Yeah, she's wonderful. She's not practicing. Yeah, she's she's great. So, I mean, I can get you information. I don't know if they have anything published on it yet, but I can get
information. Anything would help, I think. Um, so in in the management plan, I guess I'm I'm still wondering like as far as like, you know, care like you know, we talk about like a
care of our canopy. I mean are we looking for or should we be implementing specific details on maintaining and care of each tree? Like how specific should we get or is it more like
a you know trees are a priority here approach? No, it's more than that. If you look at the guidelines, you can start out with some goals, right? But it boils down to steps you need to implement to get to that goal, right? If your goal is counting from 2050 or
whatever it may be, um how do you then boil it down to well, we need to make sure that we don't uh we don't exceed removals versus planting. So we have to allocate this we're anticipating 20 trees to be
removed this year. We have to have come up with funding to plant trees, right? And these are locations that needed a so this is where they're going to be. Okay. Um very specific one is we talked about we talked about at the last
meeting very fields and whether or not want to do stewardship for the natural area. Right. Okay. That's one of the things the specific thing is to write the plan. Okay. And uh hopefully we'll get funding through the feds to do that work and then also funding to implement
whatever the the practices that come out of that plan may be. Right. But that's why like so but that that would be a mention in this plan and that would be a whole the stewardship plan would be a whole other document right so that
that's what I mean like you know basically make mention and allude to it and this will this will be one of our goals essentially it that doesn't need to be in detailed form in this plan just
a nice summary Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. But you could you could have something more specific like you want to train everybody to be core or sequent and you want to have a goal of 20 every year,
right? You could get very specific as far as Okay. Um, so one of one of the things that in reading through the history, um, like should we have somebody that in
charge of planting I I feel like it's always been like, oh, where do you think things should be planted or where do you think things should like I feel like we need to have more organized [Music] um, specific goals. I mean, I know that one of like Mike was saying, one of the
goals was to plant a tree every place that there should be a tree and that seemed kind of two grand, right? So, um I mean I like the idea of what are we anticipating removing and we want to plant more. So, we have a
net gain, a net loss every year. Yeah. Um, one more. Yeah, I think it's in based on the comments that I got at the last meeting. I I gave some bulleted for the projects.
Okay. That I heard, right? So, um, look through that. Um, I think there's there's some stuff when it comes to not just planning what's been
uh removed, but there was also some comments too about uh and I walked around Having Fields the part, right? And there was a comment about the fact that you got these beautiful fields in the bleachers, but there's no shade around bleachers, right? Yeah. That's if
you can specifically state that that's something that you want to work towards. It's in the plan. Funding comes available from the state. You have it in the plan. Here's here's if it's in the plan, it's going to be 20 trees, you know, or around five different fields.
Okay. It's all laid out. All right. So, that starts to make a little more sense to me. I didn't know how. So in that example, let's say we wanted to tackle rare community center fields. That's another one that really needs to be on our our list, our to-do list, and I
think it should be one of our main goals. It is it you just bake out st. So as far as this plan is concerned though, we summarize that goal. We don't have to
come up with a and I'm not saying we shouldn't, but I'm just saying we don't have to come up with like specific like, you know, here's our outline of the fields. We want to do this row of trees over this side with this that and the other thing. We can we can still speak in general terms and it would
still meet a requirement for funding should something become available. Yes, I would say that you you should set the priorities where you want to begin when you do that. Whether it's planning to provide shade for the folks watching games, what particular park or field you
want to start with and uh and have a rough idea of how many trees it would take, but no, it's not like when this plan is done, we're handing it to a contractor and get funding when he's going to do it. Right. Okay. Will then be developed based on this if it's approved for fun.
It's easy enough. I mean, we're going through one in in uh trees for schools, which is uh funny in Spring Lake, too. And it's it's an aerial photo of you know, locations for trees that are tied to species, and that's essentially it.
They say half hour. So, Bill, in this plan, should it say something like every January the commission will do bang bang? like should it set out quarterly?
I think you can I think as it ties into this planning process and accreditation, you can lay that out in terms of when you do your annual accomplishment report, shade tree commission meets in January, discusses uh the annual
accomplishment report, gets a draft and sends it out. Yeah, you know, you could you could set your calendar that way. You have two planning seasons. have one in the spring and we have one in the fall. Um you have to coordinate with
public works on how you do that. Um you have to establish those relationships uh because there's a workload associated with that. Um so the planning process can
help that part. Now, we talked about having the DPW come to a meeting, right? I know. I I was chatting with Dave Carl. He said, "We have a water truck. The pump is broken and he's getting a new one." And I said, "You're getting a pumpier pump, right?"
And he said, "Yes, we're working on it." So, but because it was so slow, it took forever to like it was like, you know, just gravity driven. I mean, I think so. So anyway, I think that they're they're doing that now. He's looking forward.
Yeah, I'd have to I'd have to follow to see where does the overall plan include a lead time for that planning for the plan. You know what I'm saying? Like coordinating with stakeholders, how much time you need to, you know, gear up and get DPW
on board. If we're going to target, you know, starting to roll the plan out in the fall, right, we have between now and the fall before we do it. So, have we any of those kind of practice Yeah, there's a timeline that you guys set for whatever your you know, don't
don't set 20 things out there. We're up for five years kind of which which ones you're going to start. Then you can start thinking about what it's going to take nuts and bolts wise. Yeah. Yeah. And you guys have your own budget line, right? have a budget.
Now every year we do have a budget line um you know planning administrative and um we have our um our trust fund our community appeal
as well. This would be great and again I'll provide I have all of this written in the documents I'm getting ahead of myself but what would be great is is to align the fiveyear plan with that right so how does the budget need to grow and evolve over the five years so that at the end of this you achieve what you
sought out the last thing you want to do is just have a document that's going to plant us right sure so if we have a starting point of where we can start with the plan and we have a starting point of how much money we have we can look over the next 60 months which is five years and say okay next year we're going to need x% increase, then a Y%
increase, then a Z% increase, and it's tied directly back to these objectives of this 5year plan. So, more than happy to add those comments. Yeah, you probably have to talk a little more about the budget line item. I know that gets a little uh sticky. Yeah, is that
approved? Do we have our budget? Like, we had a public hearing last meeting and I believe it was adopt. Yeah, it was because we pulled a resolution out by our house. Yes, the budget was adopted last year. So what's our
budget last year? The majority of the things and then there's training miscellaneous. It's it's almost has decided Max one has decided that as a town their tree planting is a priority. they lost a lot of trees um
from development and and it's like a town, right? I mean, I think that the the people in charge are kind of setting the tone very I mean, I work with a dozen or so towns and they're very advanced in terms
of how they go about it. Um and they they meet one I think in some instances once a week. Uh they have and they have sub committes as well. Um where they do
out specific uh to do um because even if they they meet once a month, they have subcommittees uh specific activities they want to do. Well, how do they do that without the
you don't have forum? Oh, because you don't have forum. Oh, so you don't have that. But that's it. But I'd say the first step, the most important stuff is having a plan. Absolutely. Right. Like there's no sense in meeting ad hocly or establishing one-dimensional committees
unless you have a cohesive five-year plan of saying, "Hey, this is where we are today and this is where we want to be, right?" Yeah. Yes. And as a matter of fact, part of this uh and the reason that guidelines would change and it took three years to get a change is exactly
what you mentioned. They don't want this thing to sit on a shelf because for the most part it's been sitting on a shelf. So they they wanted some things to change so that the paradigm change and the paradigm change is they want the
plan and they want a relationship between the town and a professional if they can pick up the phone and call that person if you have a question or and and then whomever that person is whether it's Sher's Bureau or it's somebody they can put you in touch with the person
you're going to be looking to speak to it had whether it's as nursary Whether it's a grower, whether it's training, whether it's anything like that that could go into helping you implement the plan, you're in, you know, you have a
relationship with that person to help you through it, help you implement the plan, right? That's not all commissioners have. Well, as a as a forester for these towns, they'll send me emails and
they'll copy each other, so everybody kind of knows what's going on. They just did a tree planting pro uh I think it was a small one, 25 trees as their forester. I went out and did the inspections. Uh there was a couple issues they had to correct and they
don't pay until I sign sign off on their plan. So that's one of the functions that a forest or a professional provide. If you do have that tree planning, who's going to be out there make sure that it meets whatever your standards are every true
specifications. Somebody should needs to be there to do that. This with FMA you're checking FMA. Uh this this was tid where the trees came from. The contractor that did the work is who I dealt with. I approved the plant, the
trees to make sure they met specifications before they were planted. They've been planted. I inspected them. I had a couple issues that had to be done. Um, which they're doing now. They go out, reinspect them, say it's okay. Send a letter to the town and then the
town can issue the check and it's been, you know, you have a point person. Yes. Contractor. But that sounds to me more like a uh it would almost sound like a permanent position within the town.
That's what he's talking about. Yeah. Because right now that would be because right now you have Yeah. You right now you have Sher Sparrow who kind of steps in on tree permits and all that. She does some other ancillary things, right? And then when you look at significant landscape, let's take DPW for example,
right? So Sher Sparrow was tapped to work with the landscape architect to put together the design, but now there's a hire professional to make sure everything's going in and working with the landscaper and the 13 different nurseries, right, that are being used, right? So what he's talking about is is
formalizing so that you have that consistent role, right, throughout the entire year. So no matter where there's a forestry effort, right? It always comes back to a plan, always comes back to a design, always comes back to a standard. Sure. It it's much the same
like an engineer. You have you have an engineer, some resident calls and says, "I'm concerned about this tree." Uh, you know, it's right outside my house and it comes down, it's leaning, hits, it's this and that. Pick up the phone. You can't call an engineer because engineer
has a specific skill set. It doesn't necessarily do tree assessment. Somebody comes out, assesses the trees, got a license, The vet should do that. Says tree is fine. Okay. Just needs to be pruned. Tree is at risk for coming down.
You really should remove it. But you have a credential and a professional provide that that advice. Check. Just a little too. Sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead.
Um, I was going to ask if there is, you know, something like we needed to make an appeal for more budget, is that a process that would go through the town to do or then kind of like you're saying at Spring Lake, is there an opportunity for residents to also
guess or add to that? So, here there is the what is called the community appeal. M. So, and they basically I'm still a little they they make residents make donations to their choice of cause. So,
there's that money and then yeah, the rest of the money comes from budget, town budget. Is there like a set threshold for towns where the amount of budget that's allocated to the shade tree permissions or is it kind of
looking? Yeah. No, it's it's individually determined by the where their priorities are. I mean, they have a lot of community priorities. Yeah. Collecting the trash, leasing, whatever. But you can you can there is data out there. I don't have off top of my head that shows the town and the
corresponding percentage of budget that contributes to environmental shade, etc. That research exists somewhere. Okay. Was referenced not too long ago. I'm just wondering where we found. It's a great it's a great question. Yeah. And there's towns fund raise too.
Yeah. Have your giving campaign swing raise trees. Yeah. Some of that money goes towards trees. Some towns have fair. It's pretty well developed. It's a town that's underdevelopment.
There's trees that are removed as part of that development. They they uh there's a cost to replace and also to do it. It goes into uh it goes into the tree as well. Free has a called heritage tree
and the tree exceeds a certain size. It has to be removed. It's a heritage tree. It has to be assessed for val. And then if it has to be removed as we go project the builder has to pay whatever it cost that
tree still there, but the benefit of that tree. Oh, so it goes into a goes into a tree plant and uh if the builder can't plant the same number of trees back, then he
or she has to kick into that plant. This is kind of what we tree orders, right? Where all the funds going to central trust. Yeah. heritage tree. We haven't if it was a big tree that's fine. That's pretty.
Yeah. But this is like What is a heritage tree? Is it by what is that to assume that that that tree would species? Yeah, it's by species. They have a standard list for heritage tree by species. It's two pages
long and it's by species. the the diameter of that tree to me uh would accumulate after 100 years. Okay. So if it's a red oak, I think it's like 20 in diameter. They have to take the tree down. It's
considered heritage. Then they have to do an assessment for what the value of that tree is. What is a typical value? I'm just curious. They had one. You've ever been down 537 past the hospital. There's a development called Golden
Acres. There's a farm. There's a way that you pull it out $33,000. You have to take it down. Right in the middle of the second. I think in total that building
contributed $58,000 to uh to treat one big tree. So how many But so I understand taking one heritage down is a gut punch, right? Yes. But how many new trees were able to be planted because of that one? How much? How many trees does $58,000 buy?
Uh, they're going great about $250 a tree. Two to two and a half inch tree. So, a ton of trees. They'll take a little time to eventually break even the carbon dioxide footprint, but nonetheless, right? You're making the effort to try
to make up for it, right? To to try try to keep that cat, you know, right? 100 years, 150. It won't be. Well, I'm just saying that there's I don't think I don't think we can say
that it's it's 129 new trees. Okay. So, what I'd want to know what the break even is of the carbon dioxide for 129 5-y old trees compared to 100y old one tree, right? Yeah. And and they're not they're not sequestering carbon at the
same rate either. Old trees are sequester new trees that are growing. So I I just don't Yeah, we about to chime in here. Yeah, I had I had a question
um more more back to sort of goal setting and objectives and um I think folks mentioned you know being able to I think Councilman La Barbara mentioned sort of having a plan and being able to measure you know how we are versus that how are we doing versus that plan. I was
wondering uh Bill, does it make sense to do something like um say that our you know at our community community center field we were talking about earlier which has very little uh tree cover
right canopy uh and let's just say it's 5%. And it would it would it be wise to do something like say take tree canopy from 5% to 15% over x years and that's
an objective and then that's something that every year we can go back to and say where are we on our pathway to 15. Yeah absolutely that would be fairly probably easy as well. You could break it down to
how many trees you have in a year, right? What is a reasonable with brand new trees? I mean, how much can you increase the quantity? Like I'm just thinking it's, you know, not a big Well, if you're starting with a small number, okay,
you're 5% of it. You know, it depending on what's out there may not be that difficult to achieve. If if there's a lot of canopy out there and yeah, we we could really like for that example I
mean it could be just a headcount of trees. We don't have to Yeah, it's coverage, right? It's it's it could be 50. We could argue about how many trees that is and how long it'll take to get there. But like if we know that we want to have X
coverage and then we can discuss, you know, we should put those near the bleachers so folks sit under trees as opposed to them being in the middle of the field, right? Um but but we kind of would have a scoreboard to be able to go back to and say, you know, okay, are we are we any
closer now a year from now than we were, you know, last last time that we we met, right? and we'd have um it it would start us down a pathway I think. So I guess I guess we would it be helpful to think in those types of terms and then we could look at other public spaces and
talk about it in terms of canopy coverage. Yeah, you can break that down. You can break down canopy cover by parcel. E it's easy enough. It's an area photos, you know, it's part of eye
treating sheet. It's easy to do. I could do it for the whole town, but here we did it for the town. But I could break it down. Was that the can't be in the you have the report here? Yes. So that I think that was what from 2016 though. Is that Yes, it was 2016. How
often is that updated at Ruckers? No. Every uh I'm not sure. every 11 years or you know I you know I think that this US Forest Service does um does a survey every 10 years. Okay. I believe
that that that number comes from their the US Forest Service. Okay. So we we wouldn't be looking for some updated data just right cycle and I'm not sure how long it takes it to take us for service
information provide that I'm sure it's shouldn't take long they have a lot of really bright people out there with their GIS system okay can I ask you if there's resistance around these baseball fields what are the best trees
to plant. You obviously you don't want trees that have nuts falling out of them, right? And and we have a bunch right up here where this field starts. They're a bunch of sweet gums that are really old. Yeah. And you know there wouldn't plant
more of them, but there's they tried to cut them down a couple years ago, but luckily they were saved. But um you have the like maples. I mean, I don't, you know, it depends on the location. There there's a whole pallet of trees that you
can use depending on what the the form is, how high you, you know, what the height of it is, how much shade it provides. We want Yeah. Lots of shade, not a lot of stuff falling out. You can have filter shade, you can have
deep shade, you can have anything in between. So, I mean, there's innated trees as well. um problem. Let's let's focus on the plant instead of specific trees that we want to plant there. But I definitely I mean let's
probably maybe another meeting because I think that should be a goal to get started and maybe in October planning and look at the resident tree buying program. But uh back to the plan as far as like you know meat and potatoes I think it's
um you know I I for me I was just trying to figure out like choosing between goals lofty goals and very specific and and giving how much detail or like being able to come up with you know like you said it's a fiveyear plan be realistic
you know come up with a hand set of a handful of plans or goals rather and summarize them or intent at least. Yes. And that would be qualifying for this plan. Abs. Absolutely. I mean, you can have a long
goal, but you're only going to be able to do five years worth of work, right? Okay. So, if you had academy 2050, these are the goals that we can accomplish in the next five years. Okay. And that's what we include in the plan. And then it helps you boil down to your
where where do they mostly when you see other plans do they typically I know you mentioned I'm sorry was it who said it was it was spring lake was 2050 can't be50 but like I mean most plans that you see are they you
know fiveyear plans are they fiveyear plans with 50 years in mind. What What is the It's a really good the nuts and bolts part of it is fiveyear plan, but I think most of the they're looking for the next fiveear
plan as well, or at least it's in their minds where they're going to go in the next round. They know what they need to do now, but boy, tomorrow this is where probably going to be as a result of
completing these. Yeah. Yes, from my standpoint, we have a pretty solid foundation in the plan. I think um there are two things really that I need for this for the next
meeting for you you guys and you mentioned it and that's the budget. Okay, we need to start thinking about what the budget for this would do. Okay. And it seems like you have a pretty good handle on it because you have a number. I submit it every year with the
for the um Arbor Tree City and the MGCF annual reports. I have all that. Okay. And and that's that's really good because this that's historical not projected. Yeah. Well, you know how projections
work. it's 3 or 7% or how 3% what you have to estimate kind of things whatever it it is um but that they give you a table to make it easy to break it out it's in there as well I can take that on at least putting the baseline in for you
guys baseline of the base increase that we normally get this um you know the that one thing that they want you to do is they want you to break out um the
volunteer hours. Okay. I I've been tracking that for the grant. So good. Because yeah, I think some of the funds that that that New Jersey Forest Service is passing
through to to do this plan is from the forest US Forest Service and US Forest Service is really wants to know what the volunteer portion is that that's one of their we crush volunteers in the most positive way. And
um so you know what the rate is for volunteer meetings 33. So so it's it's whatever your DPW cost or whatever it is to do that and it's anything tree related. It's leaf
cleanup. It's you know brush removal. And I did notice I was here today earlier driving around taking some pictures and the brush clean up is not it was last month. Yeah. I mean it was tough to navigate the streets last time
but it's all gone now. So the guys did a nice job. Words in the chance. So did like for example the the um natural area clinic those two days those volunteer hours are they they're Yeah. I
get it from Carol. I get it from Okay. at all like okay just just read my ad the wage of like the average BPW worker is that people from that volunt volunteered from the commission or on commissions or just
everybody there's a multiple salary so I complete that but does it apply to everyone that was there or thanks but yeah they give me Carol I just reacted Carol and 35 adults sign up
to volunteer their time and it's one day for eight hours 8 time 35 is the number that gets kind yes how about like the planting the pollinary gardens does that count sure I mean we said that scout project they had 10 kids doing project like I didn't
report that that was five hours we're working there if it's tree related volunteer hours okay I'll just fill in the baseline what I did for this year's accreditation and then you guys can feel free to add to it what is appropriate. But I'm already
hearing a couple like tactical things that could be the plan. Hey, formalized process to ensure that all volunteer hours related to tree work is captured every year, right? Because that's going to help fund grants, right? Sure. You know, there could be another goal up in there making sure that the process is
there such that when something's going to be planted, it's planted to what the spec was, right? And the third one I heard was, hey, between now and the in the fall, let's come up with a plan to to engage and start implementing on this, right? Give ourselves five, six months. I mean, those are three clear
tables in the next three months. Yeah. Yep. You have the professional that can assist you on that. It's done it before, you know, it makes things a lot easier. Is there a magic number as far as volunteer hours that we There is. Yeah.
and you divide it by your census number, the our population. But we're like you said, like I think you have to whatever the dollar amount per resident is required. Ours is like 10 times that. It's
hard in the true city. Apparently traffic. Oh, they're going to audit us. We're so good. They're going to audit us. This isn't real. voluntary. There's 100 people out there. Sure. When you fill out your um your Trees USA
application, there's also a threshold for that. How many um how many dollars per capita go into the tree? Yeah. Tree. That one's easily met because all that tree brush cleaned
up and picked up all that goes into and it's easier. you can transfer this to the arbor one. So you you don't have to reinvent the wheel. So my I feel like um the
budget request should be driven by how many trees we want to plant that year, right? We have to say next year we want to plant 25 trees. It's going to cost bang bang. Then that's what we ask for.
I feel like we have not been doing that really setting high goals on plants. The budget is there's kind of a budget cap that we can only request up to 2%. The so for the last years it's the max
we can get. Correct. What that's that's who sets that cap on treatment. Okay. And so and and it's not it's not our line item. It's not just our line. Yeah. It's across the board. And it's like an extremely exhaustive process of
going through like the budget line item by line item. I've done it before. So it's not it's not like hey, you know what what is what is this? What what does it look like to buy paper, right? It's it's it's so far more involved and there's so many stakeholders involved
with it. But I think what you're I think what you're trying to say is is if we created a budget based off of the plan, right, and then made that request, see where it falls. Is it possible the governing body could approve more money towards Yeah, sure it is. But the
question that comes is where does it come from, right? What other area does it come out of? And and that's a really good point because then if the budget is X and we really need X plus Y, well then well let's fund raise. Let's find
alternate ways get the funding available to plant those trees because this is what we got. But it but it comes back to the plan. Y how much does that fiveyear plan cost over the next five years? And if the borrow gives X, then the delta is what you then put effort in towards
donations, volunteering, whatever. Did you say it's on average $450 that tree? Yeah, that's that's a round number. Could be more in other areas. And it depends on the plant. If the planting plan is concentrated in a
school or a park, a lot easier than if it's a a street tree planting where it's scattered all over town, right? kind of thing. Yep. So, kind of use that figure to figure out how long a week and Yes.
And so, from like a budget projection uh for this plan, do you see plans or does it make sense to essentially come up with our own budget, our own like wish list of a
budget for this plan? board doesn't take a more realistic approach. I don't want to I'm not I'm not saying that we wouldn't be able to get more money out, but I mean you have to you got to grab it in reality. Exactly. Practicality. Sure. So
I think like as far as putting it down paper into this plan, you meet somewhere in the middle or stick to a very conservative question. What do you think you can accomplish in five years? Um it's not it's not a tooth fairy, right?
You know, at all. It's um you have your budget. Is this realistic? Uh this is what we'd like to do. This is what we can do. Okay. So then we have our delta. How do we then get what we what we need to do? Um and you know there there's
grants out there. Uh there's alternate funding sources that are out there too, but then somebody's got to do that work. you know, you know, to get the grand there's that part, but it should
be grounded in reality with a little bit of like, this is what we want to do. Sure. This Thursday where I'm plant a lot of trees, we get a lot of requests for memorial trees. Like I think there's so many people that want to do this and I
don't know um that want to plant a tree for somebody and we paid to plant a tree like if we wanted I don't know if we could do that in the parks and make memorial trees kind of I don't know working on that whole
but the whole problem was it's not going to be on residence it's going to the town DBW is going to have to be on board with this new program because somebody's got to water people aren't going to water um which is water that's one of the biggest but if that's going to be the primary goal of the plan then put it
into the plan right like so I don't think it has to like we don't even necessarily have to uh speak to a memorial tree planting I mean we can of course we'll put it in there but from this plan's perspective
our goal is plant more trees on public land in you with cooperation from the governing body. Well, I'm just saying regardless of our what we're working in this is what we want to do. This is what we can
do. can do you know we we want to do we can do we are going to ask money from the governing body and then what are the alternatives people donate trees we do a race or whatever I don't like I don't
know do you put other options or you I don't I don't I just believe that we through donations through I want to make sure we actually look at this thing because it has very concrete things in it. So we we keep it at our meetings and we referenced it and we you know because
nobody ever read this. So when I think five years ago actually what I what I what I would recommend is right you want to break up the perspective into two things. What are you trying to do every year technically? I want to plant five trees.
I want to restore this area. Right? And then you also want to think about what what are you trying to achieve in the long run? Hey, at the end of five years, our canopy increases by 3%. At the end of five years, we create, you
know, volunteer weekends. Like, you want to tie like what does it look like in five years and then work backwards from there with all the different tactical things that you're going to do along the way. And you ground it and you start with what you're currently approved
financially to do, right? And then you just continue to grow it each year. I wouldn't if you were approved for $100 this year, I wouldn't say have your one plan be thousand dollars, right? So think about where you want to be at the end of five years as a commission. Work backwards from there and then you have
to ground it in the reality of how much money you have as of today and then where you're going. One wild card here is the removals and the developers that keep clear cutting and cutting. There's but there's always going to be factors outside your control, right? So like that can be one aspect of the plan. Hey,
we're going to work with the governing body to provide recommendations to how ordinances can be updated so that there's more controls put in place for developers and construction and whatnot, right? Like so the the problems that were identified should be identified in the plan to find solutions to them,
right? Because it's not just about planting trees. It's about making sure the ordinances are updated accordingly. It's about education, right? It's about a whole host of different variables that all come together to achieve what you're trying to do at the end of five years.
So to actually put it back on on the commission five years, what what does the town look like from a strategy perspective, right? We may go through the planning process and say, "Look, we'd like to do this, but we can't. So we have to come up with an alternate funding source." Well, how do we do that? And there's a hundred different ways to do it.
Absolutely. Which one works differently? Correct. Did you say there is the resident tree buying program? Is that every year? It's two times a year. May and October are the plings. Um, but when do we start the May one? Back in March.
Yeah, the orders are typically two months before the planning so that they can inventory properly. And it is extremely successful. It's been they're crushing it. Crushing it. I think 80 are going in just in that blew out all of
last year. Yeah, they keep saying midday and I'm like it's May 7 that be something that you put into like the plan as something that's working that keep going with. But yeah,
you could say that it's working. We want to grow 2% a year. Whatever it is to help set a goal for that. Yeah. Marketing. Yeah. But the res the resident tree bride program though isn't doesn't have a um it's not bounded by your budget.
Right. Right. So you can say hey year one we had 20. This year we had 86. Next year we want if you want to you know double it every year set the goal. Right. And then within how are you going to do that? Education research right. Word of mouth. Yeah. I mean that there's a lot of things that don't require
money. Exactly. Yeah. And I'm willing to help with all this. By the way, I'm not just speaking and not gonna help. No, I mean, we definitely need to I I don't know how you encourage people more because Yeah. Um marketing. I didn't know I was even
that aware about it. So, yeah, you should come. I followed Kevin around the last time watching plants and trees. It's interesting. I mean, I just wanted to see how the whole thing works. Yeah.
Bill, do you have a card? Yeah. Can I can I have one, please? So, we have the the budget homework and was the volunteer hours the other one? What was the other? Yeah, there's one number and that is um I I pulled it from the old plan. I don't know if it still
works. You have u some of the information that you sent me was uh the removal permit, tree removal permit. Okay. Which actually was
was one of the things that you had scheduled at the last plan to have completed by the next draft. So, um that's really that's good. The next one is and I don't know if it's changed, but this was the hierarchy for how things
got implemented regarding retreats. Okay. Okay. If it's the same, it's the same and I have it because of the old plan. If it's not the same, then show show me how it is because it has to be part. So that's your that's your work for next
budget in that. What about the goals? The goals are in there. Uh like the specific Yes. They're in there. Yeah. And and hopefully you can look at those were based on what you told me
last time. Okay. So check those. When was the last time? It was a month ago. Last last meeting. Was it coordinated with Chris York? the or chart. No, this is from the old the old plan. Is that from Teresa
again? 2016. Can I get that? Great way to use a copy. You guys have a copy. Yeah, it's in. Do you need that one? [Music] [Laughter] I'll take I'll take you I'll take the
orange chart. I'll take care of that. Would it be if I sent you um like grant applications and stuff like that so that you have a lot of text that had a lot of thought put into you know goals for this
project I could send you the that was where you sent it to Patrick Patella was it part of the grant application what about her is that what you're referring to when you said the grant application yes when it was the Sage application that went but I I do it
all in Microsoft Word so I could spell check myself before I do that so I have it all in doc okay that'd be fine yeah that will be very helpful then I can marry it with the stuff that was talked at the la that was discussed last so
what is our number two thing that we're supposed to be or this this it was budget and then just the wordart budget flowchart and and you can look at and I'll make the I have the changes. I took some
pictures as well. Um been in touch with um with the folks at the freehold chry freehole conservation district about the they talked to RCS about doing plan for
so this is so you had something distinct possible 42 acres like that. Yeah. Okay. And a certain percentage of past recreational trails woods. Okay.
So well there's two there's there's the natural area which is a wooded acre 40 acres then there's the field another so there's like slip it it's not going to be the active recreation the passive
recreation that passive the walkway around it it would be the woods the woods okay go look at like you're an owner of a piece of property how to be able to manage it
just like this you need data need information how old are the trees what are the trees you know how what are the species what's the wildlife what's the soils what's this what's that goes into this tree plants you know and then based on that information sit sit down with
the shade tree commission and say, "Okay, this is what you have out here. What would you like to do?" And then then you say, "Okay, these are the objectives that we can use to improve the woodwinds based on the data that we have." And it's a it's called our
stewardship. Okay? And it's funded by the USDA folks that are next to Jacob in the office in Cleveland. Okay? Um then once the plan is approved the practices that are determined whether it's removal of
invasive species, you want to manage for a particular threatening endangered species or you want to do whatever you want to do. Okay, there's really some cool plants in there. You want to you want to make sure that they stay there. You can you know there's management
practices that you could do to uh to ensure that you want to increase habitat for great wood like that. There's a meadow restoration that needs to happen. The meadows are in such bad shape. Is that
absolutely that would be huge. Nobody nobody knows more about the grass growing in the meadows the naturally resource conservation service they used to be the soil conservation service they work with farmers all the time pasture matter
so how do we get this happen we can we put it in the plan and we can talk to we can do it concurrent folks remember these folks work farmers. It's a federal agency that
works with private property owners. All right? But they can work with public property owners. There just has to be an agreement in place for the nonprofit that says, "We're going to help you manage this." Okay. So, there's not a
nonprofit yet. There is. There's one right here. So, so we have a separate field soil as a nonprofit that you collect you would be our Oh yeah, that's why we're here. Oh. Oh, okay. I can send you when we get
the plan done. We're going to pull all the money out of He's just going to bring us money at every meeting. Here you go. For your information, I can send you I can send you the plan that we did for Lake Park. Yeah, he's reading that. That's okay. So
we went through the nonprofit in the free district and got the plan written and this past over the winter time there was 10 acres of thinning that went on and basic species removal and uh
hopefully now this this upcoming winter we're going to burn the 10 acres and then replant it. Could we is there any way we could burn? That's what we should do with those fields. But the park service said the park service said that. But if they didn't, you know,
everybody freaks out about that. But um the people freak out about New Jersey for they burn 30,000 acres a year. So, Bill, this is what the work on this will
fall under the grant. It'll be part it's a separate grant from the federal, but I mean, as far as paying you for doing this work, are you doing this work or I'm doing this work for Fair Haven. Okay. If if you decide to do a stewardship plan, okay, and the state's
paying for that. Yes. Okay. You're paying you and you're reimbured. Okay. Um, if you do the stewardship plan, it's the feds that pay you. um to do the stewardship plan and they also they would actually you wouldn't see any of
the money go through the nonprofit but the work would be done the plan would be done and then they would fund the practices. So, Jacob, do you need to come to a national area committee meeting forever? Right. I need to talk about this. I'm
sorry, but this is so exciting. I know. I could tell the natural area is a huge part of our forest and it needs no question about it. This would be get our plan done, our plan and then we can but this is going to be part of
our plan. Make mentions. Yeah. two ports. Okay. Can I ask a question about the budget? Um seems like there's a lot of talk about the budget related to planting but um the inventory data uncovered a lot of
like you know not a lot but there's some priority one removals like there's some maintenance things like priority one pruning issues. The budget should reflect that as well. Yes. Yeah. And on that topic, are there
um grants available for that type of work as well? Like the removal, the mainten um traditionally they would have funding mail for a whole pile of activities where pruning was they're not real keen
on funding removals. Okay. But they do tree planting, they do education, they do training. All right. Since the guidelines have taken three to four years to get done, there's a lot there's a big backlog of towns that need their plans. I think there's
114 that are due in the end of December. All right. So, all the funding is going to go into inventories and planning for the next two or three years. Then after that um there should be money down to people whether it's tree planting or
it's it's anything other than inventory I would think those inventory done so it would be you know training education truth planning so that's awesome Any other questions? I got a card. Yeah.
Thank you so much. It's pretty light homework, Bill. I got to be honest with you. I feel like we're almost done with it. It's you'll see when I send the next draft out that there's a picture. Speaking of
pictures is I don't know. That's Is that a Taurus picture? We can move this. We'll we'll come up with a picture later. Wait, that like that's like Yeah, I think he pulled that off your website. Yeah, I don't know.
That was probably That was Yeah, it's a beautiful picture and I just wasn't sure if it we can change that. That could be changed. No problem. That's easy. We got it. Let's uh that's part of the planning process. Yeah, we'll have a good two to three
hour meeting on that bill. Don't worry. I'll share my feedback to you on the plan so you can consolidate it. Sounds good. Cool. Sounds good. You guys have any more questions for me? Hopefully you're starting to get it a little more focused.
Yeah, I'm just read it all in the guidelines and the updates. I just wanted to So the Before you come to this meeting, do you come into town, you drive around, look at stuff? We do.
Did you go over that area? Uh I was at Baraven Fields. I walked around the fields to take pictures of the bleachers and things like that. You did? I didn't walk through the I didn't walk the trail that was around the perimeter that walked on. Um walked into the what
looks like a nursery. Third Street Trail or Pollinator Garden. There's a bunch of trees in natural area. The third street trail that the trail off of the path around. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It was cool. A lot of really neat
oaks in there, too. Yeah. There were some really interesting. You should have seen what it used to look like. There was a pawpaw in there. Yeah. Yeah. It was a It was, you know, it was good. It was like being back in school again.
Very nice. They've done a good job. Yeah. No, it's fine. I I could see the deer damage. I saw a bunch of deer when I was out there, too. Surprised you only saw there's hundreds. There were there were so many deer on pars over there. There wasn't that tree that wasn't
which is a dream. And how did I mean how do we we talked about putting that in there somehow having some sort of deer conversation deer mitigation. Um I yeah I mean it's worth having it in there saying that we recommend quite a
tree very doing deer protection. It's in almost all it's in just about even in spring lake is it's not a mainstream. Yeah there's deer protection aside from detection. What about mitigation
or eradicating the deer? Is that something that should be mentioned in this plan? Right. Like that's not something that typically would go in this for hire somebody to go, you know, driven deer. Oh, no. But I'm talking
about as far as this plan is concerned. It's something you typically don't see mentioned in No, we could talk about protection for protection. It's a problem. And yeah, because I really I mean every time I see a tree that's rubbed raw, it gets me so sad
somebody went to old expense. Yeah. Bill, let me ask you a question though. Let me be very careful how I this is fair haven by itself positioned to have a material impact on the deer
issue. Right. 1.5 square miles of land, right? And there's I'm wondering what your perception is as far as being able to have a
material effect on the deer. And the reason I'm asking this is where is attention and energy better spent? Well, I think how does how do they impact you and the resource and and I
guess if you're spending money to plant trees, you want to make sure that they're not destroying what you just invested in so you can put into your protection. Okay. Uh do you want to have a hunt? I don't know if it's practical for you to do that um to reduce it and
and you're not going to eradicate them anyway, right? And and so you're not concerned about unless their deer are eating your messing with your trees and and so you're only concerned about the trees that are here or the deer that are here.
Yeah. And you're not lowjacking the deer to see, you know, where they're traversing and they're hanging out. Right. So like Right. They migrate. They have migration patterns. Right. And and you know, well, you know what they are. They're in areas where you have large wooded areas
and maybe they're following stream corridors because there's tree cover in there and they're in your your big. So if there was energy and funds, do you think they're better well spent in your personal professional opinion? better
well spent on protection of the um tree infrastructure, I'll call it, as opposed to trying to put funds towards eradic eradication or sterilization or take a handful of different things that
the the government comes out with that says that you can do to mitigate the impact. I think the research is out there. I I'm not so sure that sterilization is effective. I would agree that that I was just using that as an example, right? But like is there is it better to spend to put the land the
the tree infrastructure in place and protect it to let it grow or is it better to spend time and energy on trying to populate the de uh to tackle the deer population issue? How bad you know you you know pretty consistent
answer on that. But to me, people, you know, you can protect, you have a finite amount of trees that you're planting every year, okay? And then they get to a certain age and they're the deer aren't going to bother
them anymore. Okay? Uh protecting uh white plant creating a big issue other than that, then what are you gonna do? Because if you're going to get involved moving the gear and Yes.
Yeah, I've seen those. I mean, over on Heartshore, they did they did a a hunt, right? Oh, they did. Again, right. I'm sure I'm when we're talking purely about the the tree infrastructure, the greatest um I you you've answered it. I appreciate you. But Bill, when you look at all of our huge n the natural area,
the Harding Bird Sanctuary, these big forested areas, when the park service came in, they said, "You're understory. All you have is pollen because the deer are eating everything else." And anytime a little tree starts to grow naturally that we wouldn't have to pay for, they
eat it. So that's the problem is the forest can't sustain itself naturally because the deer eat everything, right? Um well I mean you can address that fencing though, but like talk about expense defense in the natural area, but
then then they're going to be bouncing off and in the street, but that's when it comes down to a question of cost and energy and where where where is the energy money best spent, right? It'd be great if there was a billion dollars to address the deer issue across the entire
New Jersey state, New Jerseys, right? Sorry, I didn't mean to go on. No, no worries. I just want to be I just I want to be mindful of Bill's time. You know, this was great. He's working on he's working on the management plan for us. We can talk about this because there is some things that you can do if you
get the approval for the stewardship plan. If you do some thinning to increase forest health because all the trees are trying to compete against each other to the point where the forest health is declining. You open that up a little bit. You can put the tops in
there for the thin part and deer can't get in there and stuff starts to come up. So there's ways to get it. Thank you so much. You got my number? Yes. Don't hesitate, but I'll get you this out.
tomorrow afternoon. Oh, okay. Okay. Sounds good. We appreciate it. I know I told you Chris that I was going to send it to you the the day before. Yep. There you go. Thank you, Bill.
Thank you guys. Thank you, J. See you next month. You have a meeting in June? We do. Yep. No July meeting, but June. Then we come back in August. Okay, terrific. Thanks. All right, have a good night. Thank you guys. Take care.
Um, so the next thing was the our poster judging and voting, but if you would like to Did you say you had Yeah, I got to my babysitter. So, you want to hit the Yeah, I'll just get the update on Twitter here. You guys can find any
feedback and then give a quick facility update because it would be beneficial. Um, so Christie passed out the um plan, right? Uh, the timeline of what we're looking to do with 21 Fair Haven Road. Um, so we're going to be having open
houses for the residents. We're going to be doing an open house specific to the 21 Fair Haven Road area. Um, but one thing that the advisory committee wants to do is um, solicit feedback from every committee and commission. And so there's
a lot of information in there. Um the shade tree is specifically called out as one of the key groups to to coordinate with. Um site stabilization is happening first. Um you have Sherry's CTE report. Um there's quite a bit of diseased dead
or dying trees that need to come out to make the the site um stable. Um but then the next phase is is to do the work to turn it into the type of uh passive park that we are allowed to based on the grant itself. So there's a series of
questions in there and what we're looking for is for for you guys to talk about it tonight and have you centralize all the feedback into key themes kind of what are the answers to the questions some of the key priorities when it comes to putting a park there. Okay. Um so
that's that on on the facility side of the house. Um, we started uh planting the trees around DDW. Um, so feel free to uh go out there. We've been working with the professionals. We have a watering plan in place of all of that. Um, but the
reason I was asking them questions was because we had the landscape architect out there. We had the the landscape subcontractor there. We had, you know, all these different um experts together working together to put I think they put about 40 trees in uh that. Yeah. Yeah.
If not, they'll be done by tomorrow, but it's phenomenal. Excellent. Yeah. So, um and then we'll begin doing some uh plan uh um revisiting and purely from getting everything back up to where it was. The landscaping planned for PD Community
Center. We're doing some landscaping for for Fish Chapel. And then there might be some light landscaping when we restore the uh third street uh restore the trail, the community center trail between PD and Third Street. with landscaping at this week because that that's down the road. No, next like it's
coming up. So the property Wait, are you talking about by Centennial Hall or are you talking about church? Amy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not talking about this building. Yeah. No, no, I'm not talking about this building. So, so yeah. So, if you guys have any questions on the 21 Fair Haven Road stuff, Tracy
and I are both leading that. Um, again, we have our open houses coming up, but we're going to take all the feedback and then we're submitting per grant um to help pay for the work. One thing I will leave with 21 Frederick Road, the type of passive park that we can put in there
is is already regulated by the grant money we can parks um and funding that we got. Um, so it it's deemed you're allowed to put um low intensity passive recreation. Okay. Um, what does that
mean? It's defined it's defined in there exactly what that is and there's different examples and stuff like that. So, you know, and have the meetings been set at these public open houses. Not yet. Um, the information will go out in the next couple days of when they are.
Yes. They're in the month of May. When guys public record an open form, I can give her your copy. Yeah, we we briefed it March 24th at the governing body. The whole governing body
was on board with the plan from start to finish. Um, our goal is to have the the the concept plan put together for the grant. Um, and then obviously go into design phase of the park and everything. It's narrow not I don't think it's on
the I don't I don't know. Alison might have put it out there. I don't know. We wanted we want everybody to have it. as part of I know they're good working on the stabilization, but I don't I know there are eight trees that were the black locus and the Norway maple that are
coming out. Yeah. Um all the trees I mean it's hard to see in there like they're asking us to make recommendations but on the site like it's very hard to you know what I mean to to see to what app what type of Yeah. to even think about it. Super fair. And
so you you're absolutely correct and as the site gets stabilized, as the open houses occur, that's something that that's going folks are going to have to see it. But we're starting this initial planning phase and we wanted to be
extremely proactive. this topic was very sensitive and so that's why we're engaging with every committee and commission early to see what everybody's initial gut reaction and gut thoughts. When we get to the open houses, we're
actually going to have examples of types of low inensity passive recreation, right? We'll have Rich there who can speak to what the site is. We'll have photos. We'll have pictures, right? So, it's going to be this, think of it, it's going to be like this evolution, right,
from where we are to where we're going to go. But you're hiring outside professionals to do this. We are going to hire specific outside professionals based on resources that we don't have. Yes, that you're getting with the grant or no
be beyond the grant. So there are there are specialties that Fair Haven doesn't have such as uh marine engineers um such as parking and circulation analysis. We don't have those types of expertise in house. Um we have generalized engineers.
So we're of the generalized engineers, right, who are Rich and Nick can support. Great. And then in the plan it calls out where what professional we're going to bring on. Landscape the landscape architect. So it's funny you mentioned that. um landscape architect and park
architect have been used interchangeably. Um there will be somebody who designs these things for a living right that that that's at least that's at least what the plan is as of now and we have a whole role of deexa professionals on the uh as approved
professionals for the better. So, we've gotten very good at using our in-house resources where we can to save funds. And then the minute we realize that we don't have that specialization that we need, that's when you engage the professionals that are approved
professionals for us to work with. Guess when decidization, could they start taking the ivy off the trees that they're going to save? Like there's no reason to wait and let them right off everything. Yeah. Is that something that could be started
in theory? Yes. Um I we had to go through changing. So we have $987,000 set aside. Um that's been authorized, not bonded yet. Just we haven't taken the money yet, but it's been authorized. Um and at the last
meeting, we are ensuring that the funds can be used for a multitude of different things at the site. So, that's something that I can take back. Um, because there's a bid that has to go out for the site stabilization because the asbestous removal along came in like
$96,000 for the building. So, once you're over the 446 threshold, you have to go out to bid. So, long answer of saying I can look and see where the bid specs are and if that's something that can be put in there because we just did all that
outwe opportunity. Yeah. But until the site Come on, Chris. It will it will it it's going to be it's going to be beautiful. I'm I'm I feel very encouraged by it. The feedback that we got from already from committees and commissions is
positive. There's there's themes starting to emerge with what folks want. We ground every conversation is is what kind of parks does Fair Haven have as of today and what parks don't we have? And that really helps to spark the conversation to see where we're going to go.
Helpful. picnic tables by the river. That is Yes, that's one of them that keeps coming up. People like to sit by the But I don't want to say anything because I don't want to stop creatives. I was I
I threw No, no, there's no no renderings. We'll have a concept plan that we submit as part of the grant July 11th. Um and we're hoping that we have enough feedback that we have enough the concept plan will be 100%. no concept plan ever
is. What if it gets 65% 70% and then it gets tuned from there to go to through design and love to make what they call CB? What's the timeline that they're actually like projecting to be finished with it? Oh, like the park is like done and put together. I mean if you ask me
this is my personal opinion based on everything you know I say we submit for the grant July 11th hear back while Christy in the fall okay I'm asking you just based on based on like the grand timeline fall few
months maybe right it could change right you can have something happen where money just dries up but you say that happens in the fall let's let's put that out there um it's not going to stop us from going from construction or from concept to design.
Um, but it will impact going from design to construction documents because we're going for a million dollar grant. Yeah. Or excuse me, a $500,000 grant. It's a million dollar project. We put up 500. They match. So, it' be a million dollar
park. You wouldn't be able to finish the construction document process until you know that you have the money, right? So the concept plan will, you know, be around a million dollars, call it. You can then continue to work on parking and circulation
analysis. You can continue to dive in to see if a hypothetically regional storm water management system works and finish that and get to the design. But until that grant money is approved, that would prevent you. So if that happened in the fall and we were at the stage of design
ready to go to CVS, we put it out to bid and ideally you're looking at next spring, next summer. Wow. Ideally, that's there's a lot of
like from a tree point of view like for from a person like I mean you're asking the sheet question like where I yeah in advise on tree preservation landscaping and green infrastructure to maintain the natural character of the
site. Uh ensure removal or planting of trees aligns with burough policies environment best practices. evaluate opportunities for native plant restoration, improving habitat diversity. Again, like until I'm standing there
looking at what is there and where it is, I don't know how I make a recommendation. That's fine. I mean, if that's if if that's you or if that's the shade tree commission at large. Well, I mean, I when you first reached out about
this, I mean, I just at the infancy of this whole thing, I'm I'm looking at from standpoint like obviously the shade tree would uh say like you're stabilizing the site now, so you're cleaning it out. Yep. And I think, you
know, you want to pay extra attention to that process so not to remove or cut down anything that doesn't need to be um something that might be in there that is still in good health but just doesn't look it because it's just overgrown and
whatever. So, let's protect that stuff. And then, you know, if invasives and hazard trees go away, great. And then I think that would be, you know, our next recommendation would be then you know, we'd like to and we could even do that
through the resident tree buying program or whatever. Bring in some trees of our own. I love it. And that and that's exactly the type of feedback that we're looking for, right? Because what what we're looking for this feedback loop is not merely a blip, right? So, what you just articulated to me from what I'm
hearing is kind of core principles that we want to ensure are applied to the process from start to finish. Right? Don't cut, right? But those but that's the type of that that you know but even engaging the risen tree brine program right well what if there was a natural
shoreline or a bulkhead right would that change your approach to it right um everybody's I mean I know you I know you can't be on the physical site but you can be on the dock you can be there you can see it everybody knows that there's a huge hill right do we create a retaining wall to make it all flat or do
we keep a natural hill right there's there's certain um core princip principles from a committee or commission standpoint that that should ground the advisory committee in what they recommend. Right? So if you guys I'll pick an extreme example to make the
point. If you said, "Hey, clearcut the whole thing and start from scratch." Let's just say that was your recommendation. I know that is not your recommendation, but let's just say, "Okay, great." If if the if the committee or commission the shade tree commission right based on your charter is saying to clearcut it start fresh and
go from there that would ground the entire conversation. Right. Right. So it's it's working with the committees and commissions to really understand your priorities and how you're prioritizing and and what you envision for that site to turn into based on
their entire charter mission etc. Is that fair? Absolutely. Cool. That's super exciting. Super excited. It's not a big grade. The grade is from what? Four feet to what? What is the change the slope?
Oh, I have no idea. I know it's enough for a sled, but not to go too fast. Sled. That's But but but can we put in a water slide now? So, we are we are not. So, let me tell you some things that have come up that we're not allowed
we're not allowed to put a water slide in, right? That's not considered. But that was a request. Not considered. We're not allowed to put the library there. That's come up. We're literally not allowed to do it. They're not. Not only does the grant not allow it, but it's in the flood zone. That was one of
two homes that flooded in San Diego, right? They had water four feet up on the first floor. So, we don't want to stifle creativity, but we also ground. And what we highlight in here is every single regulatory document that's
referenced, whether it's Mammoth County Parks, whether it's Hang on, I'll go vote. It's awesome. Uh we you have the ATP, you have the master plan, Mammoth County Land Preservation Program, Green Acres Program, Environmental Resource Inventory, the storm water regulation
program. So all of these documents ground the practicality of what we had. So someone said, "Hey, can we put, you know, can we put the library in? Can we put the library?" Great idea. Love the creativity of it, but you're not allowed to. We are not allowed based on put a
building. Can't put a building doesn't allow, right? Because for Mammoth County, the might must permanently maintained as open space. And there's a definition for open space, right? The grain acres program has to be public accessible and low inensity recreational
use. low inensity recreation be like I'm taking my kayak out that's that's considered low inensity uh recreation. Okay. So as you're having the conversations right and if you if you want to have another month to go by and then provide it after the June meeting that that should be okay. Okay. We've
had a couple committee commissions say hey you have the May 15 deadline we only meet once a month. Can we have a little more time? Absolutely. But as you have the conversation you want to ground it in the practicality of what we're allowed to do. Sure. So no idea is bad idea. We'll put it into a parking lot.
Um, but it's very clear, low intensity, publicly accessible, and it has to be maintained available space. It's supposed to fill a void of our parks, our current parks. That's that's what the advisory committee has recommended that, you know, we want a type of park that we
don't have, right? Because if if we already have that type of park, why wouldn't we add another one? And structures like like humblas and stuff that is considered low passive. So yes, 100%. And that's that's that's another
one that's come up quite frequently. Hey, you know, I want to be able to eat lunch on a picnic table or hey, like can I like read somewhere with coverage or something, right? Those have been some of the themes that come up. So I love that you're right there. But I I think
our ideas, our concepts are just should be from the shade tree point of view, point of view, like not a design point of view, not a like, hey, it would be great though. Correct. 100%. Let's just talk three.
That comes back to these three bullets, right? I took I took the Sha Tree Commission directive and tried to summarize that as best I could. And these are the three perspectives, right, that that we're looking for grounding principles as we seek out meeting with
the public over the next six weeks and as we put together the grant. Okay, cool. Sounds good. So, I would ask just anybody from the commission standpoint, email any ideas, concepts, me, CC,
Christie, um CCU as well. But I I I and I could just consolidate it up in the middle form. Perfect. It's awesome. All right. Yeah. And if and if in support of putting a passive park there, we can
also put together a letter from the Sha Trees perspective of support of the brand as well. Yeah, DJ has that as well. So if you guys are in support of a low inensity passive open space right um park we can
put that in the grant that the shade tree commissions in support of Exactly. So, all right, I missed that first part, but you said there's a DJ has a Yeah. definition. And the more and the more
support from the community we have, the greater chance that we um can justify the grant that we're requesting. Got does low intensity include um equipment? I'm thinking like what was
I don't know if they ripped it all out and it's gone but there used to be like exercise equipment in me witch for example. Oh really? Is that kind of stuff or no? I have I'm not saying I want that. I don't know. I haven't come across it yet. Like the calisthetic like right like you know something you're
walking along path and there's a chup. Yeah. I mean I think actually it's a really great idea. Yeah. Whether or not it makes sense down by the water. No, I I'm just trying to um I'm just trying to I don't know what low intensity is. Yeah,
I scare people so away from the surface. Are they I mean, are we keeping grass? Don't know yet. It's it's it's all open. It's new bullet points. It's it's it's I I don't want to say like grass has been decided. It's not my
decision, right? Like we come, we take all the feedback, we put a we put a plan together and we get buy off from the residents. If you ask me my personal opinion, do I think we need to have grass there? Yeah, I do. I think we need to have grass. I think we need to have trees. I think there needs to be canopy. I think there needs to be areas to eat
lunch and read and all that. Of course, 100%. I think me personally, Drew, Lava Bear as a resident. Whether or not that's how the collective town feels, I don't know. And we we have just begun consolidating all of the information. I mean it's a lot of data from the
residents. It's such a this environmental engineer. I mean you have the municipal data and you have a boatyard. Like it is such a strange little spot there that's impacted by these two things on either side. Right. I don't
really understand. I mean obviously the bulkhead is destroyed. It has been destroyed. Part of it. It's not all of it. There's huge pieces of cement. Well, part of it has hosel in it. Well, I mean, it's not salvage billable. I um
from what I see. Yeah, we we've we've we've had professionals opine on it and what we can do, right? I I always put my trust in the professions, right? They person that deals with bulkheads all the time knows a lot better about bulkheads than I do, right? So, I'm not going to provide like my personal opinion on it.
Um, but what I'll say is is the number one goal in sight stabilization is to make it safe so people can use it to begin with, right? So, whatever that means, all of that, right? We'll get there and the buildings, but it's so low the bulkhead really doesn't make a difference. It's it's not like it's it
does prevent erosion though. Yeah. There's not like dangerous s. So, yeah, again, I'll defer to all the professors on that. Is there a beach? Yeah. I mean, I don't know how you define beach. I would say there's
n when the tide goes out, there's, you know, there's a there's natural shoreline there and there are steps right now that you could bring a kayak down there and people I have seen them do it in the summer. Um, but you got to remember too that's that's where the
Albertine like 200 not 200 years ago. Very. It's a very historic site. Yeah. You have that then then yeah used to call Pearl Pearl Street. Um then you also have an old old boat ramp. I mean old I don't know how old but old that
that is just completely destroyed on this concrete everywhere. Right. So it's it's like they don't think so. We haven't done carbon dating on the carbon like on the concrete. It's like to know but but I know you know you
know you're gonna do it right. Okay, cool. All right. All right. I'm gonna go my babysitter. I'll try and get back on image. Thanks, guys. All righty. Thank you, Drew. Thank you, Drew.
All right. Next on the agenda, big fun. We get to judge children's artwork. I'm really Pick one. They're There are a lot of them. What's that? They don't They get to They have to rely
on us. They have to run over real quick. Yeah. What's the criteria? Personal choice. What do you think? Who? What do you think? What was the theme? It was just Arbor Day. Arbor Day. Arbor Day. Yeah. So, I Yeah, I laid them out. Sorry
everybody in Zoom land. I could bring the owl over with me I guess but no you cannot touch this setup. Do not touch the do. I trust you. If you guys can take a picture that' be great.
grade four vote for one winner. Each grade like I'll take a picture of the [Music] winner. Pretty good. I like this style almost. I was
going to say is pretty Yeah. I didn't even realize the people. Yeah. I mean, it seems like three against one. This was mine. I don't get official
voter two people. Oh, wait. Oh, last year we've [Music] [Music] had a tree. Plant a tree. feature to meet with me. I mean, it's a poem.
battery. All right. It's very true. No, no, I think I think they got them, but I just thought I know. And that's like a heart connected to a tree over there.
[Music] picture. So you get more drastic. Yeah. [Music] Wow. Oh. keep these for next year. You have so
much art. [Music] Good evening. [Music] There must be Oh god. That's it. Yeah. [Music]
I just history. I mean, there's like [Music] messages. That's exactly like Cherry cross. Wow.
Yes, these pictures here. Ah, actually that's what we've been trying to do in previous years. Uh, $25. Well, we got to open up the public comment. So while
was there anybody? Yeah. Meanwhile, people were zoomed into this meeting and they did some great. They're riveted. You want to show these guys? Show them. You guys are still there and you want to see them?
You want Let's see them. want to wait till the uh Mike, are you there? This one? Yeah, sure. Michael D'Angelo, you got to talk to make the noise. This
is the u fifth grade submission. Fifth the word seven and still these are all sub no eighth graders submitted so
but the second year in a row we have no eighth graders I don't know. And but there were two girls that put together this one. So they I guess they each get something. Well, I was going to defer to uh Mike D'Angelo. Is he there? Thank you.
He's not there. Either that or he's on just talking. It was on mute. I don't think Mike's there. I don't know what the rules of these contests are. Can two join forces? They did last year when you gave them last year. You gave them each. Yes. Oh man.
Oh. Oh. Each of them. We did because they only did half the work. They only did half the work. Your budget. Look at all the work there. You know someone. I got to get
the right. All right. There are still no um online attendees. So what you want to open it up for public comment right please for
is there any public comment none from Susan present anyone out there in Zoomland not okay well then I'm going to ask for a motion to adjurnn this meeting
um make a motion any agenda I think Oh, oh, new agenda items. Um, well, the 21 Fair Haven, we're going to keep that on there. Um, and then, uh, Bill will be back at the next meeting, so we will have to have our
homework as well. And then, um, but so nothing new. The bill's coming back. I kind of like to keep the kids will be don't we do it right after that. So, all right.
first they can put that on there then the plan and then uh further discussion prepared to move since since we'll have a budget I believe should we quickly review what our budget is
good idea Peter I'm assume I haven't I haven't seen it I'm assuming it's the same plus 2% when does Community. When do we know community bill money? That shows up at the end of the year, doesn't it? Midway through the I'll
check when we deposit the last check because I I can't remember. It was after the summer. I don't remember getting Christy, did you have the removal thing? the um removal report and removal report
that you should No, we didn't put on any eugenics. We're trying to keep it short, but if you want to know, we can do that in the next meeting. Yeah, we'll put on the next meeting. Okay. Even though it's Bonnie likes to get depressed.
We're gonna we're gonna offset. We're gonna offset. It's kind of this meeting has been adjourned. Thank you. Have a good night everybody. Good night everyone. This one. Thank Thanks everyone. Sorry I couldn't
be there in person. Thank you. See you. See you guys. Bye. Bye. Bye. So this is the thing. It's kind of like recycling, right? The best thing to do is to not having to recycle, right? Say you know you reuse, you