All right, let's call this meeting in order at 7:01 p.m. We start with the salute to the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please join me in a moment silent reflection. Thank you. All right, here we are. Monday night Monday night
football. Uh, usually I'm very upset to miss my Jets play, but I think I'm at the point in the season already where I'm happy Jets play. We're going to start. Oh, I got to do Sunshine Law. Start with Sunshine Law. Sunshine Law notes, "In accordance with the provisions of the
Open Public Meetings Act, public meetings may be held in person or by means of communication equipment to include streaming services and other online meeting platforms. This meeting is being held in person or through the Zoom meeting platform being broadcast from Burough Hall, 748 River Road, Fair
Haven, New Jersey. Public participation for this regular council meeting of September 29th, 2025 is available by calling phone number or through web conference Zoom. Members of the public will be on mute until it is time for questions or comments which will be announced. At that time, the public has the opportunity to question or comment
by phone or through Zoom by the raise hand button and will be called on at the appropriate time. Notice of this meeting was included in a schedule of meetings which was adopted by resolution number 2025-13 sent to the Asbury Park Press in the Two River Times on January 7, 2025, posted
on the Burough website, the Bolton board and municipal building and has remained continuously posted as required in the statute with adequate notice having been given. The B clerk is directed to include this statement in the minutes of this meeting. Allison, may I please have a roll call? Council member calls
here. Bowie here. Herea present. Olson here. We have administrator York. Attorney attorney Malment via Zoom. Engineer Gardella BCW director Cartinsky and
Laura Berwin from the Goldstein partner team. All right. Thank you everyone for joining us tonight. Um we're starting off tonight. We have a proclamation um for our random acts of beauty award. As you know, we are all very very
appreciative in the Burough Fair Haven for um the ways that you have brightened uh our residential areas, our businesses, our community in general. And every single year we put out this uh challenge to to our community and I
think you said it's one of the hardest things that we do every year is trying to select because everyone does such a great job. This year we were able to um find five different residences that we wanted to honor tonight as well as the garden plots and a business as well that
also did a a fantastic job and just really enhancing our community. Um we're very appreciative. I'd like to read this and then I'm going to ask you to come up uh one by one and we'll we'll we'll give this give you this proclamation to take home with you. Um and we'll take a quick picture. Um it reads, "Whereas members
of the Garden Club of Fairheaden rode through town identifying front and sideyard properties with gardens that contain colorful and attractive flowers or horiculture. And whereas residences, garden plots, and businesses were
eligible for this award. And whereas members of the garden club chose the following residences, business, and community garden plots as recipients of the random acts of beauty award. Our garden club is topnotch, best in the state. Um, we are so appreciative of the
way as well that you've brightened the burrow on your own. Um, to get the flower pots all over town. Uh, thank you for everything that you guys do. We we we really love it. So, um, our award winners, first off, 25 Church Street, the Murtha resident. So, the Mirthth
here? Yes, they are. Did you do all the work? We did all the work. We all did it. You all did. Yeah. Thank you. I'm gonna take pictures. This is how we
do. You guys ready? I'll send that information. Great job. Next up 70 Rustic Paris the Alyo Domo resident present.
No we can hold on to that and we'll soon invite them in tomorrow. Um next up 653rd Street the Hagerty resident. Uh, next up, 91 Princeton Road, the Hirs Mer.
Congratulations. Congratulations. 51 Lake Avenue. The Magnus here. Our garden plot winners, plots two and six, the foster family. And our business winners, Swell Juice
Company, 798 River Road. [Music] All right, we'll show our appreciation by buying juice tomorrow, everyone. Let's give a round of applause for all our Mayor, we did have not sure what the first one that we missed. We had the son
name. Yes. What's your last name? Alicia. Might have mispronounced it or it came in after. Right after [Music] former mayor in the house right here.
Round of applause. All right. Uh, staying on the topic of beauty, I guess we have a bicentennial hall discussion on exterior paint. I believe Laura Berwin is in attendance. She is. We see her right off the front. Correct. Um, mayor, if I may open.
Sure. Um, so real quick, GB, first and foremost, Laura was our rock during PD Community Center Fish Apple, right? Everybody's tracking all different events. So I'd like to just give her a quick round of applause just for everything she'll
go updates on that news update. Um, so I want to give some data points and then really this is an opportunity for the governor body to ask questions and I'll um we're specifically talking about bysentennial hall. Uh we're talking about um a whole list of improvements
that are required majority on the exterior. Um one of which is repainting it. Um and I'm going to provide all of the data points in one central location just so we're all on the same same page. So, um, back in a couple months ago, we
authorized Laura and TGP to take the pen to paper for all the exterior improvements. Um, she has an extensive background in historic preservation. Her resume is in the packet, and I'll let her speak for herself. Now, if the
governing body recalls, back in 2010, there was a maintenance and repair action plan put together for Centennial Hall. And in a nutshell, correct me if I'm wrong, Laura, she helped uh with the authorship of that. She helped inform it. Um it was basically, hey, how do we ensure that this historic building
maintains uh maintainability, right? It's a historic site. It's got to be preserved to certain aspects from a historical perspective, but we want to maintain it. Uh back in 2024, Laura updated that, right? So, we've had continuity really for the last 15 years with with what's involved. Um, now the
list of improvements, items to maintain, however you want to qualify it, uh, director of engineering Rich Gardella has been closely tracking this, right? He's done a tremendous amount of work over the last five, sevenish years. Um, and this list is sometimes referred to as the punch list. You may have referred
to it or heard referred to it as that. But the goal is is that once this is done, not only are we targeting completion of the work before the 250th anniversary, um, but that then the building is in a state of maintainability that our DPW can maintain it. Um, specific to the paint
color, Laurel will get into that with her research. There was a whole slew of different research sent out u what paint color it should be painted. Um, if the governing body recalls, we took the original transom window out of the uh previous uh PDCC, right, the previous
school. um there is um a thought and a discussion to uh frame it, put it in some type of I don't know what you call it, mechanism, right, but to be able to put it inside by citizen hall for all to see. Um and then there's around $350,000 of authorized funded work to help
continue this. So, lot of history there, a lot of information, but I just wanted to kind of narrow it down. Um, and I'd love Flora to kind of go into the paint color and what she did and and what her recommendations are from that perspective and then we can open up to to questions. Does that work? All right, Laura, over to you.
So, I know that um Allison has forwarded you some documents that uh I had put together ahead of time. The first being, you know, a list of everything that needs to be done, but at the second page of that is really a look uh the historic
photos available um from this chapel, all of which are white, and also a closeup of and just one closeup in one area of the clapboard as it is in its current condition. And if you take a look at the closeup, it is clear that
the outer paint is of that green, but all the inner two maybe three paint layers in inner are white and had so the chapel was likely white to begin with. And then I also sent through a document
of other Clapboard churches from the same period, all from New Jersey on the New Jersey or andor National Historic Register. And you'll notice one thing they all have in common. They're all white. They were stone, brick, or white
traditionally in this period. So it is highly likely that the paint color on this chapel originally was white u with 90% certainty. Okay. Anyone have any good with me? So,
question. Can I ask a question? Not right now. You can I'm supposed No, not right now. See if we're still debating here. I didn't when we get to uh comments on public comment on agenda items only. Just wanted to let you know that um I'm supposed to be the leazison to the
preservation commission to hear she's saying just so you're aware of it. Thank you. So I guess that that leads to my question. Um I believe this has to go back to the U historic commission right before then we actually vote on the paint color. Is that correct?
So I think procedurally where we left off was we got two memos from historic. Okay. One was specific to the trans one to the window the window and then one was specific to the color. Okay.
Um so they provided their guidance. We can What was their guide then? Can you remind me? Just because if we're not going with their guide, I don't from my understanding I'm not sure though. Can you tell us is can we just
make the decision or does it have to go back to the historic association? It doesn't have to. We can I mean we ultimately we make a decision if if the governing body would like it to for them to provide us with advisory type guidance that that that
would be acceptable also. Um I guess my question is was the goal here and was the goal here for us to have the historical accurate paint color? So we now have a we now have the answer from I think from
a paid professional. What is the what's the reason to go back is my only question. I got you. No, I owe one. I mean, no, you have the ultimate decision though. Yeah. I think we I think we continue to follow a process of coordination and whatnot, right? That the goal here is that the
paint color is really the last step, right, after you award and you select the right. So, there's a lot of time on the paint color if that's an area that we want to be greater stewards on, right? beyond having a chemical analysis, right? Like there's really the
research is the research. What we're looking for here is is is the blessing of the punch list items and then giving Laura the guidance to go ahead, start putting the bids backs together, start working with uh Rich Gardella, and then ultimately we come back here with an authorization to bid.
Um, but when it comes to the paint color, again, I'm going to pull up the memo here real quick on on that. Um, you know, we we hired a paint professional with historic preservation background and experience, you know, so whatever the procedure is, we should follow. Um, let me pull up a memo real quick.
If I may, the paint is not something that goes the painting of the building will go into the specifications, right, with a a brand. But like just like the PD and the CC, remember we put together color boards like way into the process and you got to pick and choose. It'll be way into the process by the time I get
there. You're not deciding it right now. So if that if that's the case then then I think we should give the directive to put one into the specifications but it sounds like there's time if they want to discuss yeah I mean but I got you no I just feel like I'm not a historian and I mean it sounds
good. I appreciate Yes. I said but the the goal and Drew you're agreeing the goal is not to pick the nicest paint color. The goal is to be historically accurate to what the church used to be from a color standpoint. Correct. That's what we're doing. That's exactly right. Like what is it
based on a historical preservation perspective, right? And all the research that Laura did, right? And I'm going all for credentials. Everybody has a resume, right? Um that that that the white color makes the most sense. Um yeah,
be overed, right? We're going with this. If we go Yeah, that's our decision. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't think there's any reason why we wouldn't provide updates. I know that one of the, you know, importantly and whatnot. And I guess I just know there was a lot of conversations with them, too. So, I just
want to make sure that they feel, but I know it's ultimately a decision. Yeah, I know that I know that they were briefed last week. I think it was Thursday. Um um and updates were were given to them. Um if you guys give me a minute, I can pull out the the memo real
quick. Does anyone else have any other questions on the list? That's probably 14. Not I watched the vets the last two months. You probably be optimistic. Um,
so there was something, this was back in May, that there were there were firms provided that do paint color inverse investigations, but we had our firm that didn't. Those are chemical analyses, right? So there's a whole historic preservation
specialization in establishing what paint colors were in a non-destructive way. So I did provide Drew with three different firms. If you want certainty of what that was, you can hire a firm to do that to spend money to figure out a paint.
a hard time explaining some of the access I'm just providing all the information that's available right the the next step is a chemical analysis beyond the historical analysis of like howen
we'll find if that is a different color what happens most likely is in interior of churches when they're working on you frescos. They find things that way, right? It's having as much as you Exactly. It's less used on the outside.
It's more used on the inside. That's actually you you have a good question that I have, which is like now you go to a store and there's 80 different shades of white. You know, there pearl white. Is it was there like what what are we looking for here?
That's a that's a good question and that's a that's the more difficult question to answer, right? Well, could we pick the same shade of white that this chapel currently uses the current chapel just to be consistent? If we can find that out, we could we could find that way and I
can look through and unfortunately like the the historical records I've found thus far don't go into more detail. Right. What happens is if this were an ornately painted on the outside, there'd probably a lot be a lot of historical accounts of
how ornately it was painted on the outside. But because it's it was most likely white, which was very typical of the time period, there's not a lot of discussion and words about it. And from black and white photos that are available, what white it is is not really. So this is this is uh verbatim from the
HPC memo. Um as part of the continued restoration of the structure, it's the position of HPC that the choice exterior print color is extraordinarily important to the Senate. members of this commissioner endeavoring to ascertain for certain original structure color as well as transformation of the color scheme in connection with its use as a
place of worship for the African-American community. It is understood that the issue of the exterior color be addressed by the bur in the near future. in this regard is requested that this HPC be permitted to make recommendations the burough council ultimately an appropriate historic methodology be used in connection with the final exterior color selection
process. So they didn't say they said that they'd like to be part of after we have the discussion here. That's what it sounds. Yeah. The commission be permitted to make recommendations on an appropriate historic methodology. But what does that mean appropriate
historic methodology? I think part of it is the research I've done thus far. So, so I think that I think the question is is one does the GB want to move forward with a chemical analysis, right, which
does cost additional money and um it won't impact the lead time of putting together the VIP specs and everything or are we comfortable as a as a GB with the research and I think you said 90% was is it and I'm not making this up like a chemical is that like $60? I
I I don't know if it's happening. Or is that like you send it off on like eBay to a place and they send it back and they give you an answer? No. No. They actually come because they're going to choose a place. That's what they do. They they they're going to choose a place on the building, maybe a couple places on the building to take
samples to do what they're going to do. Yeah. I want to be as accurate as we possibly could be, but personally that sounds like an expense that you know. I guess wondering it sounds like if it's mostly used for inside Mhm. would you be able to get closer to the color of white by doing that analysis or really then come back and say it was
white and not you know like would it get us closer to the original the shade of white? I I would have to contact John or one of them and ask them that question. It's not what I do so I don't I can't answer you. I certainly wouldn't expect it, but if like if the historic association had any interest
in, you know, putting that invested towards it, that's a conversation we have. But as far as using ouration cap on a on a chemical analysis for a pink color, I just I think that's bad spending for us. If I agree, can I say one thing? It's just
important just to note too uh for you know bysentennial hall we have uh you know 357,000 there which is and Laura's fee that for um for what she was awarded to put the bidsp specs together actually comes out of that as well. So that's before we've even paid Laura for her service as well. So obviously anything
that we pay for additional professionals is going to end up taking away from what we could do to actually do the work as well. So that's something just to keep in mind right we don't have a lot really a lot of money there to get this project done. Yeah, we all agree. So, thank you.
Appreciate it. Thank you for all your work on the facilities. We're going to get to uh public comment on agenda items. We have a long list to go through tonight. Um right now, we're going to do Harding Burn Sanctuary. That's going to be Nancy Bos. Um she's coming up. She's a committee member. Come on up. You're
welcome to join us if you want to sit. Welcome to sit. And I'm gonna read something that's very quick. Okay. In July of 2024, Mayor Halpern formed a committee to plan and oversee a rehabilitation project for the Harding Bird Sanctuary. This past Saturday was
National Public Land Day. It was our goal to mark that day by completing the first phase of the project. Town DPW workers cleared land and created a large bed at the entrance of the park. Garden Club members donated nearly $800 to
purchase 100 native ferns, grasses, and plants to fill this bed. Later this fall, a few hundred spring bulbs will be added. Scout Troop 125 under the direction of Dan and Kayla Ramirez researched the birds using the park and their nesting needs. Their project this
fall has been to build birdhouses to be hung soon by the DPW. This past Saturday, we hung the first one of those birdhouses. The family of a deceased garden club member, Betty Mlin, has funded this project. Refreshments were provided by Robin O'Neal and were
happily served by Leslie Eden's Junior Girl Scout Troop. Phase two is scheduled for later this fall. Newly cleared land to the right of the entrance will be planted with trees and bushes to attract more birds. This part of the project is funded by a $2,500 donation from the
Garden Fund, $1,500 grant from the Autobond Society, and two private citizen donations. The final phase will fi will hopefully happen this spring. We've applied for another grant. If we get this one, we'll add bushes and ground cover to the treed
area. Troop 125 will continue to build more birdhouses, and they will refurbish the sign at the entrance of the park. The project was only possible through the diligence and hard work of Councilwoman Betsy Cotch, Burough Administrator Chris York, code
enforcement officer Joe Malay, the DPW workers, especially Nick and Dave, and others whose names I do not know. Two members of my club have spent hours and hours and hours on this project, planning, purchasing, placing the
plants. We hope to rededicate the bird sanctuary May 16th of next year in time for its 70th anniversary. Thanks. Fantastic. Um, I I just think we owe a great deal of gratitude to both the Dining Club and
to Nick Porchinsky and his team because they work together and everyone needs to go out to the Harding Bird Sanctuary and see what these women and our DPW have managed to accomplish. It's it's unbelievably beautiful. Can you explain to everyone where they
should go as um as far as the bird sanctuary? It's not on the rich roadside. Correct. No. Uh you would you would approach it from Harvard and uh just like the approach to the Third Street Trail, there's attractive land there. It's the same thing on
Harvard and you'll see it because there's a sign that says the Hardy Bird Sanctuary. And now there's a beautiful bed of flowers that welcome you as you walk in. And then there'll be a bench there. And it's it's really amazing. and and from talking with you, it sounds like this is just the beginning. Is that
correct? Just the beginning. Thank you so much. Um, next up we have Marie and Jake are here to discuss the location. Oh, we got guys. All right. Susan Sson, 34 Clay Street newly back to
Fair Haven individual and 10 records. Welcome back. Thank you. Thank god you've been gone way too long. Alison, you have the photos ready? I don't. Oh. Oh, okay. I thought maybe it was. And if I may, just quick background last TV meeting, right? The location of this
tree came up, right, as part of the resident tree buying program for the 250th. Uh the governing body approved the purchase, right, because there was a time commitment. And where we left last left off at the last GB meeting was to confirm a location and have a photo to everybody to show.
So meaning the burrow is not purchasing it. Jake and Maria are purchasing it. Just so that that's not clear. Yeah, but we had a lot. Oh, no. I know. I just wanted to make sure that it was it sounded like the burrow was purchasing. I didn't want people to know that to they can. And so anyway, we we went through a
bunch of different recommendations that that um we put forth as well as Nick. And this is kind of where we settled on was out at Fair Haven Fields. Um, we thought it would not only provide some shade, but there was a people would see it. And
that's the goal is that it is something that the son, it's one of the projects that the sons of an sons of America, my god, I say sons of anarchy every time. Um, sons of the revolution, sorry. And, um, it's one of
their big projects. And, uh, they're they're planting um, these particular elms throughout America. There's none yet in New Jersey. We want to be the first in New Jersey. And Jake Grew has been very instrumental. A former Fair Haven resident and both of his relatives are up on the wall over there. Although
I think I don't know if they fixed it. One of them is wrong or was wrong. They fixed it. And um and so um we'd like permission to to move forward with this location. We also think that it's a great place where people can see it. And the plaque. Do you have the Did you There will be a little plaque about this
big. Yeah, about this big. uh we will forward over the it's the standard language uh that the sons of the American Revolution are um using and it has purpose. I think we talked about this the last meeting. I love this
idea. How big a tree is it? So the ones that um the we're using the the program that the um shade tree commission is using. So they're somewhere between 8 and 10 feet. Okay. So same to go in and then it'll grow. It's it's an elm. So it be a plaque. Can you tell me about the
plaque? Is it on the rock? Is it Is it on a post? No. To be in the ground. In the ground about this big like on the little thing. Yeah. Then we have the first October meeting to have guidance that that had to do with scouts, not necessarily science.
Outside of that, I don't know how we want to approach. We're going through a whole science thing. The sign the sign part maybe not attributing it to an individual. Right. Right now we're just picking a spot. Right. Can we discuss? Can we push the sign this? Do you have to do the sign
now? The sign part of it though. Like it seems like if that's the sign that they're kind of that is the standard sign. There's really no choice in the No, it's a standard Sons of the American Revolution sign. This is a particular elm. You You have the picture of the
sign. Here we go. We have it. See it? We have it. have it. Let's put it. Yeah, have it. But I'm wondering if we can't if we approve it. Like we're approving it, but then we can't do it because we aren't allowed. The tree though either way um is a great
idea. No, but what I'm saying is the tree is part of the like the American Revolution. You don't get the tree without the sign. That's what I'm wonder. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Well, right. We're getting the tree through the town's place. So, we can think instead of through the place that um
sons the sons of the American Revolution don't care where you get the tree from as long as it's an elm, right? But they do want you to have a sign. Yes. Yes. Well, that's the whole purpose of it. Other than that, we're just planning. You know, we have the same basic thing with just different dates wording or whatever. Yeah.
We just check to make sure it's consistent with what we're going to do across the burrow. But no, we're only talking about Eagle Scout sites right now. The other signage was more geared to the Eagle Scouts. And the only reason I'll bring that up, and we could expand that discussion, but like at McCarter Pond,
we have a wooden McCarter Pond sign. We're not going to change that. You're talking about sponsored signs. This isn't sponsored, but sponsored. It's just a description of the tree. We did. Yes. We did say that we would start with
scout and then yeah I don't want them anything. I mean as far as far as the tree itself um does screen. Yeah. And said it can go look this way all around.
It's a safe area. She chose the spot. [Music] And then Jake's name and my name. By the way, you guys might have a leak in your uh community there because I saw a Facebook post like two days ago from an anonymous poster saying that they
need more shade on the playground there. The timing of it is very suspicious. It was a little suspicious. The only thing I would I'm going to be ignorant here, but elves, do they like drop anything? No. Like they're not messy. No, no flowers.
No, I want to know. I'm just thinking like if anything falls on the playground, but No, it's a great question. No flowers either. That's what I thought. Yeah. No, Sherry was involved in the whole because there was a couple elms that pick and sh was totally involved.
Sorry. Word names at the bottom says, "Well, Jake and Marie are paying for it." So your names would be So, I I I want to be as what I'm hearing here um is the tree is not a problem. We
love the location. We'd like to approve that, but I do think that the sign is contingent on our still reviewing it. I think we have to we're in the middle of a signed discussion and we got to make sure that we're consistent, I think, across the board for every group in town and we're looking at this objectively.
So, so please make sure that you also consider the fact that we're putting together, as Betsy well knows, a dedicated bench and tree program. So, while you're talking about those, I'm just throwing that out there. So, make sure that that's included in your And if you have ideas on what your thought is for that signage for that
program, I do, please get it to Betsy so that we can discuss it as a group in a large. Yeah, our next meeting is October 14th, correct? And that's when we talk sign standard, right? That's that's that's discussed the scout. So should we kind I kind of think maybe we need to add because we're going to
have more signs coming up on and on and on and we're going to keep saying we have to hold out until we decide this. So I think maybe we need to at least start the conversation with the Eagles. I think what we're going to find out is I think on the benches and stuff there's probably already a standard because we already did it. The benches already out
there but we need to have this stuff. We should look at But the trees But the trees are not the trees are not. But we would do what's very similar in other towns. Just FYI, like they're like this big by the base of a tree. So I will get the exact size and then email it out. I think I already have
done it, but I'll double check. Send it send it bur ministry and then we'll make sure it gets on agenda and it's out for the entire public. So I'll make a motion to approve the tree location and then the sign will come back for review at the Dis with the next GB meeting. Um but I'll make that
motion. I'll second it. Alison, please have a roll call. Council members, yes. Holly, yes. Yes. Yes. And one additional comment and that is what we were looking for when the tree was being when the tree is to be
planted. Um, we wanted to do that as the actual kickoff of the 250th celebration for Fair Haven. Do you have an idea of a date there? Well, we're waiting on you. They did not. No, no, no, not him. the place where we purchased the tree will get in touch with me and tell me exact
when so I can meet them out this year not we want to kick it off but we also have to have approval for the plaque we have to order the plaque so we're waiting on all of those approvals to then set a date and I assume we want to get the tree in the ground by a certain date it's better for
before kind of October yeah so I think at the next meeting if you bring in a sign as well as a plan for what the kickoff looks let's make sure it's coordinated across the 250 50th beautifification, right? STC, make sure there's full alignment like there was for tonight. And I don't see why there'd be an issue
hitting the timeline. So, you know, to use the shovel, right? But but can at least we get the tree in the ground and then you're approved before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we just need But we can't schedule it until we know. That's the only thing. Can I ask one more question? Do you
think that the suns of No, I haven't. Yeah, I know, right? Just say son. the tons. Um, are they okay if we were to alter the sign? I guess that would be a question to ask them. I don't know. So, that's where I'm kind of going back to. Why are we signing
doing it across America? They're planning to roll out 50. They not part of it if we don't improve the sign. Well, then we wouldn't do it. Yeah, they wouldn't do it. That's why we are debating it. Right. Yeah.
Well, that that's why they want us to do it to be recognized. You could do the same sign. We could just make it smaller with the same information. But why that doesn't work? Because it we don't have a standard yet. So why are we saying, "Oh, just make it small." We also we also don't have the dimensions of the size. We don't know.
It's no bigger than that. But I get it. But it doesn't matter if we don't have our stand and we're saying just make it smaller. It's fine. That's not our standard. So, I don't want to jump the gun on the conversation on signs, but I in my mind there's a difference between a sign in the ground and one post, right? So, we could have
we could have a standard for ingground like there's the lape tree uh the oak tree um that has a ground sign. Um at the school, so I feel I feel pretty confident we can figure out the sign. Yeah. But again, I just don't know why
we're saying yes to the tree if we're not saying yes to and we're trying to get it in. Yeah. The whole the whole point is the sign of the tree actually. No. Well, it's both, but but you got the tree is not we don't get that. We get the tree. She could give us a tree,
I guess. But the point is the sign for the saying we're kicking off the 250. Sons of the revolution are part of this. Well, kicking off the 250 wasn't wasn't brought up till tonight, right? We Yes, it was. Yes, it was. We're kicking it off. No, but it is part of I know it's part of I'm saying kicking
it off. Yeah. Worst case scenario like we we can make our own sign for the liberty but that's not the point. We're doing it with the resolution revolution who have the sign will be for them. I mean ultimately I I feel confident we can work out for
something. Yeah. No, not paid for. I have to bring a check the day they bring. And it's just sure like at the last governing body meeting or the one before that we we were very adamant about signs, right? So if we hadn't signed ahead of time, we were able to have discussions about it instead of seeing it for the first time on the phone. It
probably very different. I don't foresee an issue with the sign. I don't. But we wouldn't be being fair to all groups. And it's the tree. It's point of the tree. So if we get the if we get this sign, you guys can plan, we get the signed, we'll get the details of the kickoff and all that and we'll make sure we get it
signed off. And if we need to approach it in some other means and not wait to the GB meeting, there's means and methods to do that if there's a time card somewhere. Okay. Once the tree gets in the ground, we could do the ceremony anytime. Exactly. While you're still here, I know I'm not getting up. Booby tree.
Yeah. Is there anything um if anybody has any questions? Let's do that because I don't remember any issues last year with the buoy tree. Are there any objections up here? Fundrais hold.
Can I make a suggestion? like the scarecrows, it it's just a preuncter approval every year. Is it necessary to have the police committee people ask permission every year? So, I I would still put it on the consent agenda every year. I don't need
them to come in. The the only thing that would make them come in is if for some reason there's some sort of objection that that's a reasonable objection from a member of the community or from a member of the governing body or staff. So, you know, I or a change in location maybe.
I don't know. I don't even like right now. I have it right now that I'm going to ask for a motion to approve in the future. It'll just be part of the consent agenda. Just make sure you let us know in advance of a meeting so we know to put it on. Question. Is it going to be at city hall again or town hall or
burl burl hall? It's going to be at Burl Hall for Christmas for the holiday season. We we are possibly going to do a patriotic tree mid year. Great. That's in the patriotic tree on this side of river.
Christmas tree is on the other side. Is that correct? No, not yours. Christmas tree. This will be out hall. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to do the holiday tree this at Christmas. We're not doing any Halloween tree.
We're doing Christmas tree across the street. And we're doing a buoy tree on this side. Specific. Okay. Hopefully I understand. But just one thing real quick. Mayor, are we talking two different buoy tree fundraisers in one? But I'm not No, not tonight. I'm just I
just happen to mention that when this is a Christmas tree, a holiday buoy tree. Not to be not to be confused with the Christmas tree across the street. Correct. So I'm making a motion to approve going beyond first. Second.
Thank you very much. All in favor? Anyone opposed? Thank you guys. Thank you. All right. Um, next up, I think there's going to be some people that are excited to hear about this administrator,
Director Porchinsky, BPW, Director Porjinsky to talk about Schwanker bond treatment. You're there. Wait till Nick gets up here. Um, just a little background. Um obviously we did the McCarter Pine treatment. We had a lot of stakeholders, a lot of committee
members that did a lot of hard research into that. We selected a great vendor um to provide the treatment. I would say Marter Pond has been a success. Um we had nothing but a compliment. They've done a great job treating it. Um because that turned out to be a success. Um
we've since received um you know questions about what's going to be next and uh what's going to be the next thing to treat and shankers has come up quite a bit. Uh so um our vendor Tigris came out met with director Richinsky um they came out to assess the situation and
again how we treated Marter might not necessarily be the way we need to treat Shrinkers because it's obviously a whole different animal. Um so they came out to determine what would be the best. I'll throw the numbers out first before Nick goes in and talks about what their treatment is. Um they're looking at to
do the same type of treatment which would be April to September just like we do for Marter Park um would be sorry Marter Pond be $3,731 uh for that season and that' be the annual fee and that's roughly about the
same price that we pay for Marter Pond as well. So uh Nick met with the um individuals from Tigris. you can get into the details on it, but just to give you an idea, a little bit of background there. So, Nick, uh, yeah, good evening. Um, obviously, Shranker's Ponds is, uh, you know,
located in Fair Haven here. It's it's kind of in the gateway of, you know, River Road coming into Fair Haven. Uh, I met with Tris and we discussed the current conditions. Obviously, it's been
a pond that was um absorbed by the Fair Haven through the planning board and it's kind of been neglected a little bit. Um so, initially we're just looking at it from the water quality standpoint, looking at it um you know, seeing if the
the treatment that we used in McCarter Pond would be also applicable to Shranker's pond. So the initial proposal that um we just talked about was was more to the water quality portion of it. I'm supposed to meet with Tiger again next you know two weeks or so when the
leaves continue to fall down to evaluate the um the slopes and the vegetation around the shranker's pond to see what can be done with uh some of the overhanging limbs, some of the the the trees that have fallen into it. Obviously there's multiple stakeholders.
There's there's private property owners that are adjacent to Swanker's Pond. Uh Two Rivers sewage authority has a pump station there. Um we have the county rightaway and the county road and the uh alder control structure that the Shreker's palm discharges into shippies.
Um so there's a whole bunch of stakeholders there and we're going to try to evaluate some of the uh I'll call it the mechanical um options for maintenance. Now, that could be a combination of DPW doing some of the work. It could be talking to the
county and maybe getting some help from them and also talking to Two Rivers Sewage Authority. So, that's the the second part of this that we're still evaluating to see what makes sense and and and how to, you know, resolve the multiple issues going on at Schwankers.
Um, and I said like that secondary meeting is happening once the leaves fall so we get a better idea of what's going on there. some of the weeds die back and we can see the vines, the logs, the trees, and what have you. So, it's a it's a it's a stepping stone process, but obviously we're happy with how
Tigers evaluated and treated Marter Pond, and we're looking to kind of move in that same direction for Schwankers. So, that's the the quick summary. Great. Any questions up here? Um, um, where's what appropriation does it come
out of? So that would come out of our appropriations cap. Oh, I'm sorry. Which which line item is it? Just general parks for wreck or so so right now um this would obviously be in our 2026 budget. So it wouldn't be in our current budget. Um because again the work wouldn't start until April. So
that would be something that for obviously the finance committee we could discuss um right now it could come out of you know streets and roads. It could come out we could decide but again this would be a 2026 expense. So we the finance committee would determine you know where that would go. I would, again, I'm not speaking for finance committee, but I would imagine that we
would add this to the same line that we use for for Carter Pond right now, and we would just increase the amount. But again, that'd be up to finance committee to make the determination very quickly. And you touched on a lot of this, Nick, so thank you, but I think I think everyone recognizes that the
success of Marter was largely due to imply due to all the work that you and the team did. um sediment capture devices, the drainage, the slopes, etc. So, it sounds like we're prepared to do that to shankers too if they want to come. So, this would be this proposal is for the
treatment, but then anything else would be right. Yeah, we would have to take a look at that. This is just just strictly for the treatment right now. We were just trying to get a budgetary number to kind of plan for for 2026. Thank you. Um can you talk a little bit about sequencing just because so when we
did Marter right we removed organics from the perimeter then hydro rake right and then treated I can see a similar process being applied here so if you just talk through what that looks like and the approach yeah obviously to evaluate you know take
a look at the upstream side of schwankers um you know winter time is usually when we do our stream walks and can get up there it's really you know mucky and and and wet right now generally speaking speaking. So, you know, with with the vines coming down, the leaves coming down, we can evaluate
and see how much siltation is in the upper reaches. And, you know, also one of the big things that's different from a Carter pond to shankers is access. How do you get access to it? You know, obviously with the steep slopes that are there, the only really access is the pump station or there's the little
section that's off of River Road where the little grass area is and our our sign and the um you know, farmers market banner and things like that are kind of set up. So, that would have to, you know, come into the equation as kind of evaluate um you know, removing debris,
removing, you know, vegetation, see what's in the per the permit requirements for for maintenance aspects. Um, and then ultimately we have to see, you know, upstream how to kind of uh help mitigate that that sediment that's that's coming down into the pond.
Yeah, totally. So, I I love this. I'm in full support of it. I wanted the couple sediment from like cleaning the perimeter up because there's so much tree and landscaping that's going into the pond itself, right? So, I think a phased approach, cleaning up the perimeter, right? It sounds like you're going to be evaluating in like months to
come. Yep. So I just want to put that out there and following kind of the process because we worked closely with you and the professional swallowing process from Carter. So I mean sort of same questions and same thoughts as you guys and just you're look I'm glad you're looking at everything more holistically because I
think it all plays into the issue. I would just make sure that when we do decide to do this that we are considering the maintenance around it as well as part of the cost that's going to go into this because if we do this and we don't keep the maintenance around it it's not important. Yep.
Great. That's it. Thank you. Um, next up, improvements to Foreman Street. Engineer Gardella is with us. Are you? Good evening. I mean,
they're not going to see it too well on the screen, but So, we're here tonight to talk about Foreman Street. In particular, um, in your resolutions, you have an authorization to bid. If you
recall, we submitted a grant to NJ DOT local aid. We were awarded and successful for $314,292. At the time, my engineers estimate was about 600,000.
That's obviously pre-esign. Since then, um, we had our survey company go out and do all the survey work. We made a base map. I then took the base map and I overlaid the design
onto that base map. So in the reduced copies, you'll see the improvements that are from Pants Road to Cedar Avenue, the scope of work is remove and replace the concrete curb, function sidewalk,
driveway aprons, do all the necessary ADA improvements at the intersections, and also increase pedestrian through um high visibility crosswalks. And in this particular case, we're adding a crossing
at Hance and Foreman to cross Hance Road at that intersection because the nearest crosswalk is down at the traffic light at River Road and the
next crosswalk is at Jackson, I believe. So, there's an opportunity to make that improvement. We are also doing some drainage improvements. When we did submit the grant, we mentioned we are going to put in a uh a placeholder for drainage.
Um myself and Nick Perchinsky, we we had we did an analysis of the existing drainage, looked at what we can do to improve it. If you recall during the micro projects, we did do some improvements at Smith
and Borman, but we always knew there would be a next phase knowing that this project was potentially going to be funded and the opportunity would lend itself to do it during this project. What would be the updates for that? So, we are we are increasing some of the
pipe sizes in that intersection. We did determine there is some bottlenecking and there's some hydraulic um it's unbalanced just to keep it simple the way the high point is for the drainage pipes the direction of the flow
whether you send it down to h or down to cedar that's kind of like the main hub. So, we do have some we we were able to to to increase the pipe sizes, change some of the elevations underground, and try to
make that more of a uniform controlled system rather than the way it currently is. That drainage in that area is actually one of the older drainage infrastructure systems for the burrow. So, it looks like through the years they've just been adding some pipes and
catch basins here and there. So, we're cleaning a lot of that up and um and also making it um more compliant uh at the surface where some of the catch basins are even smaller than the standard things like that.
So, like I said, the the scope of the work is pretty straightforward as any other road job we've done. Tonight, we're looking to get an authorization to bid. We do have to award as per the grant by the end of October.
So, the schedule that we have is working with the burough clerk. We're going to advertise to bid on October 9th. We are going to receive bids on October 23rd with anticipation to award the job at
our October 27th meeting. Based on all the pay items in the project, there's 47 of them. Um, my engineer estimate is just shy of
600,000. So, we are right exactly where we anticipated this project to be when we submitted the grant. So, with that, if you have any questions, grant covers actual project. Then the grant is 314 and change the project
600. We have a um bond authorization I believe. Yes. That was done knowing that this project was going to be designed and eventually obstructed. Well, it was a matching grant, right? Or
it was not. There's no match in the DOT grant. It's a straight straight. We just it's a uh it's a reimbursement that we're required for the balance. few things and Rich keeping us here just for the benefit of the public and just
so um when we jettisoned all of Hance from Third and Hance and cleaned out the infrastructure all the way out to Navync we were able to um evaluate the inlets
along the way. So one of the things I want to call out in here is fixing the inlets right that not only would we be able to identify them but based on the spot checks that TPWS does. So it's really important. Yeah. So as part of the micro projects we had uh pipe cleaning jetting of the
pipes backing of the pipes in that contract. We were able to do the areas the councilman had mentioned. We also jetted all the pipes on foreman. We determined that there was quite a bit of siltation and debris in those pipes, but
what it also gave us was a good look at condition of the pipes, the size of the pipes now that the pipes have been clean, how they've been working in the last, say, 12 to 18 months, maybe a year. Yeah. And and things have been working pretty
good. So, but I think these improvements will bring it to the next 100%. The other data point that's really important to note is over the last threeish years right the amount of improvements we made quoting the court Smith Foreman and Smith right on hand to combat the the
flooding issue that's existed down there. The one thing I want to call out is that Smith and Foreman right talked about increasing the infrastructure size a year year and a half ago. This completes it and it's going to take water flowing to ants and have it point
towards cedar to hit the different infrastructure. No concerns of adding storm water distribute here, but again another mitigation to reduce the amount of flow that comes all the way from nativity all the way on down comes to my house. Exactly. Um so
just want to call that data point out and then the last piece I think is really important Rich if you can articulate is can you talk about some of the partnership and collaboration with like the acne parking lot and things that that that um what do you call that um not the homeowner um business owner
the landlord? It's the um management metro. Thank you. Can you talk about like how as you put the plan together, you know, what you did with Acme, you and Nick and Joe and everything, just sort of the govern body. So,
just a quick history, that project did go before the planning board a number of years ago. They did do some drainage improvements. They they put in um some drainage pipe. They put in some catch basins to control, you know, the
runoff within their site. And they also took all the roof water for the building that backs up to Smith and that is all recharged into a system which is underground behind the dumpster
area adjacent to the laundromat. So we took that whole area which used to get piped directly out into the Smith Street through the curb down into this system in question and now we've taken that out of that
drainage area and recharged that into the ground. Can I ask since then pipes that come out in the um they're abandoned they're old. Yes. Since then, obviously, we've been monitoring the site throughout the
various storm events. I know some of you have walked those sites as well. Uh Chris York and I have also met with some of the managing team over there and their um basically like their their on
call uh guy that handles all that. We wanted to let them know, listen, we're doing some improvements. We're we're we're going to be redoing the street and we just want to continue that dialogue
because I think it's important. We've also uh met with the folks with the gas station because that whole area even though it doesn't all come to here, it it goes to various points, but at the
end of the day, it does end up into the areas you had discussed, you know, into that infrastructure that's within the county road. So, um, you know, it's it's several pieces of the puzzle and I feel confidently that
that these improvements will make a difference and obviously everything we've done has made a difference. That was that was just wonderful because mayor one want one all the data points all the different mitigations that have been put into place for the last three years and even even as simple as looking at the condition of the catch basins a lot
of them were crumbling and failing. So the brick and the block was caving in blocking the pipes. You know, those are all things too. That's why we'll see on the drawings. We're replacing and reconstructing many of these catch basins. Think about this though also just
keeping them clean too though. Is that on like making sure that's a really schedule to the So the way we've been handling that is for our um various capital improvement projects, we put a line items. So, in this particular project, I have five
days of uh storm drain cleaning. I have storm drain cleaning that we're going to be doing as part of the Maple Avenue project that you guys awarded. We have storm drain cleaning that we're going to be doing as part of the Fair Haven Road project. So we're able to do
the work and then bring in the outside firm to jet the pipes and not only on the street itself but handle some of the side streets and other areas of concern becoming a standard. Yeah. Like is that a month a yearly
thing then or just Well, as we keep doing these projects, we've been doing it and that's how we got all this other work done for the micro projects. We even had um as part of the water main job on River Road, we had New Jersey America come back and and assist us with some of that as well and
pay for some of that. So, it's really continuously ongoing, it's continuously evaluated, continuously looked at, right? Make it richer working. I just want to make sure that like after all the work's done that then we do make sure that this is well as part of our annual I have to
certify and send a storm water report to D every year and as part of that requirement um with assistance with Nick's crew we have to go out and inspect every catch basin. We have to clean every catch
basin if it needs cleaning. we have to do what they called dry weather flow. So if if water's flowing through a pipe and it hasn't rained in three days, you know, we're out there looking at it. So these are these ongoing measures that we
do that we've been doing and uh continue to do. I want to thank you. I mean honestly like you know as a resident though it made a huge difference. It really does and it does show you that we can appreciate it make things make things better. So, thank you. And I just want to make sure everyone
sometimes you have to be creative on how to get it done because there's not always a line item in the budget. Yeah. To send out a crew with a jet truck. And sometimes you don't know how many days. You you can anticipate two days and you're there a week because they're just
sucking out so much material. But in the last five years, we've pretty pretty good dent in it. So the more we do it, the less you'll have to suck out. Yeah. We found so much work. some escape escape tree the tree well remember the tree
route and obviously this all this all circles back to the brush collection measures and how it's put in the you know not in the street or in the street so that all that it's all all part of it so does a community benefit
question is the county responsible for river road or do you do that for that they are responsible for river okay Yeah. And so they they must have a maintenance plan, right? They have a maintenance plan and then anytime we if we have any issues locally, they're a phone call away, we
have them out on site as we know. So we get it taken care of. Thank you. All right. Thanks. Next up, imposed traffic amendment. I see the chief is in the back corner. Chris, are you taking this? The chief taking this.
Chief McGovern, best police chief in the state of New Jersey. best stand. Hello. Let's go. Attorney uh with the uh new building. Um we took a look at it and some residents came to
us. We took a look with Drew and I I suggest that we make no parking on the south side in front of the police station from Locust to Maple. That's always gotten kind of bottleneck in the past and you really couldn't get through some problems. Um, with the new parking lot, we'll have
more parking, so we shouldn't need that. Uh, the other thing was, uh, with we're worried about maybe a little more traffic box, so we suggested a four-way stop at Fisk and Maple. Uh, and then the other ones were just we want to move the no parking here at the corner back a little further. There were some problems
at Maple and where we were made aware of some partial park is going. That's why it was 82 feet because that goes to that first driveway. And then we're just going to move that uh no park here corner on make and fist a little bit back to the TV. So this way when church parking stuff you'll have that whole
area open up. Great. Does anyone have any questions for Peter on this? Um so Allison just this would be introduced at the following meeting. Is that okay? So we'll have this um sounds good to us. Just one thing right. So, just like
everything that we've done, it's it's a it's a it's um it's an approach, right? So, with all the improvements, right, we widen Fish Street, right? Working with the residents around the area. These are the measures that we're putting in. We're going to continue to monitor it and if things need to change like they always do, we'll we'll work closely with
the chief police on that, but just wonderful. And if I remember from that meeting we had at this chapel, the residents were very much in favor of these suggestions. Yes, absolutely. Yes. We'll introduce next meeting the following meeting and assuming all goes along and we vote on
then what's the timeline would you say for actual implementation is there is there a few served no I I think if we have a uh Nick's guides Jim really pretty much immediately yeah I think within a few weeks great thank you thank you
thank you very much chief uh next up NJ living shoreline grants another one for the community really excited about we've been about this for years uh 21 turn road to Normandy. So, just a little background on this. Um, this past August, New Jersey DP
opened up a grant for um, communities that want to create a living shoreline. Um, I set up a meeting um, a little bit of a backlog to get a direct meeting with them, discuss our projects. So, I met with them just after our last uh, council meeting, had a phone conference
with them, discuss the projects that we have here in town. Um, so to give you a little background on the grant itself, um, as far as funding, it is a rolling grant, um, with a $5 million maximum that you can apply for. There is no match. Uh, the only match would be required if you didn't own the property,
they require you to do a 25% match, but since we own both of these properties, there's no match required for the municipality. Um, the funding for the grant is until funding runs out or until August of 2026. So, considering this
grant only opened up in August, we're at the beginning of it. So, I'd like to get a head start. Couple uh concerns that I had going into it, I wanted to make sure they addressed. Um, does this have to be an existing living shoreline uh or could it be something we're looking to create
a living shoreline? As we are currently aware, we have the demonstration living shoreline at the Normandy and we have bulkheaded property at 21 Fair Haven Road. Um because 21 Ferry and Road is bulkheaded property, it actually makes us a little bit more favorable because
we're now creating a living shoreline where one didn't exist before. So that works well for us. Um just a couple things to discuss on this. Um obviously a highly competitive grant. Um and um I would like to ask the approval of the governing body tonight uh to be able to
hire a professional um who could who is again one of our whether it be you know Kieraki and Najarian one of our um contractors who can submit a proposal um to put together a concept plan for living shoreline and obviously do the engineering and surveying um required
for the grant through the sage system. Um I did um bring the the uh figures tonight of what we have in the accounts for 21 Fair aim road. Right now we currently have 612,33805. Just bear in mind um again we have to
maintain that $500,000 because if we are awarded the Mammoth County grant um which those awards will be coming out in October that does require a $500,000 match. So, so roughly we'd only have about 100,000 we could take out of that. For the Normandy Living Shoreline, uh
that account we currently have 78,66521. Um so we have money there. So obviously we could utilize um both of those accounts to pay for the professionals to put together the concept plan. Another question before I forget, um can we apply for this grant even though we're getting funding even though we could
potentially be getting funding from county? Um the answer is yes. Um that question was brought up as well. doesn't disqualify us because we have a grant that we could potentially be receiving funding from another grant. So, do we have an estimate on what it'll take to prepare this? Um,
I have not. No. Um, what I would ask is um if I could get the quote and then bring that back at the um uh October meeting for a governing body approval. Yeah, I I'm I'm definitely in favor of this. I I think I remember us discussing
there was some um apprehension on you know um getting the property and how much it would cost after the fact convert even the bulkheading piece of it. We I remember us saying that might have been the biggest expense we would have to be worried about. So now the opportunity potentially have that paid
for. I I think it's a home run. Obviously I think we need to know what that cost is, but I I I definitely if we can get a quote on what that'll cost us, right? And and normally and normally in the past, you know, for the last couple grants we've applied for, we've done the
work inhouse. Obviously, I've utilized um Rich for a lot of it. A lot of I've done on my own. Um unfortunately, obviously with the Living Shoreline, we don't have anybody as an in-house professional um on payroll that obviously has that expertise. So, we'd have to rely on one of our, you know, um you know, list professionals to put
together a quote to create the concept. Do you know the cost of the professionals is eligible to get paid for by the grant retroactively and reimbured? It is. It is not that it's a south cost. Yes. Is uh any any concerns with timeline getting quotes submitting grant like at
the next GP meeting? So um I you know again two weeks I don't think it's going to make much of a difference. Um you know I think you know obviously we should be competitive. We should reach out to everybody we have on our list to see who's going to give us the best similar to what we did when we had the um you know asbestous mitigation
uh for um 21 fair. We reached out to other professionals to see who was going to give us the the best deal on it. Rich and Nick, I'm not holding you to it, but 10 grand, 20 grand, 50 grand, any idea what you think that would cost to prepare the grant? Uh, no, we prepared the concept plan and
obviously any engineering related for it. I mean, as far as putting the grant into Sage, I mean, I would handle that aspect of it, specifications, everything. Yes. How much of a project we talking? Looking living shoreline for 21 Fair
Haven Road and Normandy. It depends on the scope of depend and how much detail if it's going to include structural or you know some other type of specialty stuff that's required. So what I heard was 50 to 100. Is that what I heard over there? That's right.
Truthfully, I'm just saying it that it's a lot, but it doesn't scare me because the savings 50 100 pays for if we to replace the bulk padding on that property alone. Think about what we paid over even with the grant at the pocket park,
I think. I think it's So, I have a question. It's almost like a matching grant, you know, in a way. I mean, I'm excited about this. I know as a member a former member of the environmental commission, this is something we've been talking about for a very long time. So, I'm happy that we're moving forward. My two questions though
are at one point the latoral society was planning on doing this for us. I know probably Kelly Flanigan could maybe a little bit more, but on the one piece on the on the one piece, but I wonder if like are they being how I I don't know how they could fit into this because it
they're non aren't they? Listen, they were going to provide an education, right? Zack Zack, right? We if you don't mind me putting in a little bit, we did reach out to Zach um and Chris this this summer. Yep. I asked him to come in and take a look
at 21 Fair Haven and Normandy as a combined, you know, for economies of scale. He did offer to with his to come in talk and offer their services um to help with this to design scope what they've done with municipalities in the
past um with other towns, you know, in the area. So it might just be worth talking and seeing what that might be. So maybe um after the meeting you and I talk offline meeting see what services available and listen if the if the literal society is willing to put
together a concept plan and can you know take the bulk of that work you know that would certainly you know reduce any other additional cost we'd have with professionals. The other thing I know I talked about with Chris is that I personally wouldn't mind understanding all of our shoreline as one. So if if we
are putting out a bid, is there a way to get a bid for learning just the two doing the whatever the analysis of the two or looking at the whole shoreline as a whole? Is there a way to put two bids out if we would would go in that direction and if
you are talking how could that fit in? I just think this might be a good time to understand the shoreline as a whole. So yes, I think that's a great point to really to get a better understanding where shoreline the the concern would be the funding mechanism is where we would have that and again looking at this right now and the fact that
because I don't know what's going to happen if we're going to receive the matching grant or not you know I I roughly have you know maybe 180,000 free that I could use for this. So I wouldn't want to you know jeopardize anything else regarding the
project. that would be my only conservative funding mechanism and I wouldn't want to spend too much but if it is just like nominal yes and I think that's something you know maybe we could look further in and bring back to the governing body and if it's it's a nominal amount that doesn't really it's insignificant maybe that's something we could go
then it could at least help us forecast down the road what might be some of the next projects or how that would fit in with everything. So question right Chris love it fully supported I think it's fantastic um can we include a third site we could
you remember when we did range batten and what was the other one right we removed hands out of that project beach you mean beach yes is it worth including that here well that's kind of what I'm getting at because like I'd love to get some feedback on what
I find it hard I find it hard to um want spend money on something when we don't know what the project is. That's fair. You mean it's a whole project? Yeah. Like, are we going to do something there? Are we not? That's But I also think knowing this information, even if we don't decide to do it now, that could help
dictate what we end up deciding for that or help us with Well, there's already there's already there's already a plan for I don't want to get I don't want to get off the top. Not all of us. No, no, no. Understood. But that comes on that note though. The grant application opened I think it was August
8th. you know, but obviously correct and there are there are other burrows and towns that have gone through this who are expected to receive more funding out of this pocket. So earlier the better the better and also I think there's a requirement for community
input as well. So there's got to be some process I got to get moving on this. Yeah. So I wouldn't want to push this off. I mean again and it's up to the governing body. I mean we the governing body could say a not to exceed amount and we could see what it comes into. We wanted to get a head start, but at the very latest, I wouldn't want to wait
past the next council meeting to make a decision on agree. No, let's let's get numbers for the next council meeting. Thank you. No, thank you. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Uh, next up, public comment on agenda items only. I I I've reserved the spot
for Steve Heler to start us off here if he still has a comment. Yeah, we're we're really happy that uh Steve just introduced yourself 32, but I'm actually here because at last week's commission meeting, I was asked
to come and uh be a liaison during that discussion. So, I was sort of expecting be able to ask a few questions, but I'll I'll take care of them later. Um the questions really had to do um with the authenticity. I just want for the record, I didn't ask you, right?
No. All right. No, the commission they asked is any can anybody go and we were off and they anybody want to volunteer to go and they said I'll volunteer to go. Um Tracy was at the meeting and she's not here to she that to me. I apologize that you guys are expecting to ask a couple
questions. Um and and just the importance of the color has to do with the authenticity and we just wanted to make sure it's documented for for historical purposes of that building. But the authenticity is a little different with an African-American church. Often, particularly in the late
19th century, the colors that were chosen on churches had meanings, cultural meanings to the congregations. So, we just wanted to make sure we had some kind of a of a timeline to understand what the colors actually were. And uh she sounds like she's getting toward that. I talked to her a
couple minutes out there. She'll send us some more information, but we really just wanted that color. We wanted to be able to say that that's an authentic color and it's representative of the people who were there in the prime time that that church was used, which was really 100 years pretty much. I think we would share that same
sentiment and and you know, if uh if there's anything obviously um new information that comes up, right? You know, we we we'd act on that information. Okay. Appropriately. Thanks. Yeah. And I I grabbed her in the hallway. She said she'd send me a little bit more documentation about how they
looked at the colors. Yeah. There's a tremendous that she did. So, she'll set it. Yeah. Thanks. Great. Thank you, Steve. Anyone else? Yeah. Hi, Chris Brener 79 Maple. Uh just regarding uh what Chief McGovern brought
up on the changes for for Bis and Maple, which by the way, just as a resident of that area, I support everything he he proposed. So, that's that's good. I think most of the neighbors would. as it relates to that. Um the Fisk uh chapel
parking lot new parking lot basically finished today uh and the contractors did did a good job with that. But uh a concern a question I have is at the um this chapel meeting that we had back in July, we had very strong conversations
about making that parking lot one way in on Maple and one way out on Fisk. But as you see as I walked here tonight, there's a stop sign in and apparently it's going to be two-way and to Maple. And I just like to know what happened because we seemed like we built a
process to communicate back and forth with the governing body. We never heard anything back and now it's two-way. So I'd just like to know when that was made, who made it? I think the design for the parking lot was made um by year. Yeah. No, no, but it was made chief. was
not made by um the uh it's still late here the contract correct they made they made that at the meeting we we we took it away to see if it was a one way and based on all of the research and everything that's happened it was a two-way
right from the beginning and that would have been good to communicate back is at that meeting we were told that we'll look into this and we'll get back to you and and we funneled our information to you right have you been getting the emails from Steve Heler so Steve Heler's been the primary point of contact and then I have
the thread where he was talking about the one way and where it was confirmed. So I for me personally I was operating under the assumption that everything was going through Steve Heler and I've seen like four to six emails on updates since that meeting to include progress along the way. So it's possible I didn't get that. Okay,
but it just was it seemed a little bit like we're sort of waiting to see and then the stop sign was a little bit of a shock. satisfied by it. Okay. Um, second, just minor quick thing, the lighting, which by the way, the lower lighting there, I think is very good. It emits that. I don't know. I know we talked about the
timing of that. I know those lights have been on pretty much all night. 24 by7. Yeah. I don't know if that's Yeah. So, Chris and I were talking about that. So, after tomorrow, projects are done and then what happens is is they hand off to us. So, right
now, their electrician, their GC, they're controlling it all. Got it. And we don't want to insert ourselves as they're finishing. So hopefully again tomorrow if all things go according to plan. We'll get that and they'll be able to sit down with DPW, make sure the controls are right. If lights have to be changed because they're too bright, we'll go through all that process. Um
and that was also P and CC. Right. So I I treat them separate but the same. So there's a whole electric effort we have to go through. And I'll make sure just I'll make sure that the communication Yes. Very well. Yeah. because I think that's the second part of what I some of the feedback was
some um CC and whether it should be on a timer or ding or whatever the case. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We have they literally just finished the lights like 3 days ago. Um it just was our plate and not 100%. 100%. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Uh members of the public.
Yeah. [Music] Susan O'Brien, 875 River Road. Since I sat in a lot of uh meetings at Bsentennial Hall, I also looked at the photographs on the wall and there's a
photo of I think the original Fisk Chapel, not by Centennial Hall. It looks somewhat different. It's white. So, I'm thinking the very original his
travel was white. So, white would be the way to go. So, you might want to check that out if we ever end up back in bsentennial. When I had when um Rich Cardell and I had the meeting with Lord Burwin, we did share that picture with her. So, she is aware of that. So, she did have that.
And I don't think it's the actual bsentennial hall. It's the actual It's the fifth chapel picture. Yes. When they were still on the street, I didn't see the stained glass windows. Yeah, I know the picture there, but it's when it was on Fisk Street, the one
that's hung up there, right? But don't you think it's the very original chap an actual different building? I thought so. Could be. I thought so. And if there was a Greek building that the question
I mean this predates 1881, right? But but so it's still it's still consistent with our conversation whatever building was that were white, right? Yes. Absolutely. And then secondly, um you know, it's a good idea to address
Schwanker's pond issues. However, you may not be aware that New Jersey D identified the night crowned or black crown night heron a as being resident in
Schwanker's pond. So you may need to have D oversight when you're doing stuff there. Yeah. No, we're aware of that. I think it's I think it's endangered and I think that's why it was identified
when that property was subdivided. Yeah, I've been at far too many meetings. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Public comments. Allison. Yes. We have Bonnie Civia.
Hey, can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Um, hi everybody. Um, uh, Bonnie Torvia 115 Baton Road. Um, first thing I just wanted to say as a member of the Shade Tree, I was thrilled to see all the beautiful new trees in front of the
police station. It really looks great. I love the catch basin full of all the native plants. I mean, it really I was thrilled to see all the great landscaping done there. So, thank you. Um, I live at one Baton Road and I was
coming out of my driveway today and I ran to the DPW guys cleaning out the drain in front right across the street from me. Um, I talking to them. Um, as I said at a previous council meeting,
it's it was always full of water to the top, overflowing. And they told me that in fact it was just a catch basin. It didn't drain anywhere. Um, it was just kind of an overflow from the drain across the street, which I was surprised to hear because it basically was just a
mosquito breeding ground for years and years. It was always full of water. So, I'm just curious with all the work being done down the street at the um Baton Road uh boat launch, is that drain going
to be connected and like actually drain? Um I mean, it would be great to see another rain garden or some sort of catch basin down there. I always hate the thought of all this dirty water going right into the river and um you know particularly with all the problems
at Fourth Creek already there. So I just was curious if that was part of the plan. Not not right now. Um we've had other catch basins around town that have been set up in similar fashion. I think our our ultimate goal would be to connect
all of them just in the manner that you say, but that's a significant project that needs funding. um that would be more likely to be included in a future road job or micro project um you know phase two or three or something like that.
Okay. Because I the the fellow that I was talking to and I I didn't get his name um thought that it was going to be connected this time. Okay. No, it's not Go ahead. No, it's not going to be connected. It's not part of the project.
Okay. So, it'll just continue to be drained every once in a while. I mean, they had buckets and they were fishing it out. It was pretty gross. Um, so I just felt sorry for them. But, um, my second question is the the, um, the Libyan shorelines. I mean, three years
ago at the, um, countrywide Garden Club of America meeting, um, the head of the Literal Society presented the Fair Haven Living Shoreline Project. So, I know they've done a whole lot of work on this and I thought it was, you know, I think
they thought they were going forward with it. I would just say that they did study this is to Normandy. Um, this is what they do all over um South Jersey, you know, restoring and shoring up shorelines. And I would love to see
them consulted. I would I would, you know, second the the idea of talking with them and just at least, you know, I know they're very willing to help. This is what they do. So, I hope that they're included. I think I think we're going to reach out to them, Bonnie, and see what's going on. And I do recall speaking with Brian
Rice a few years ago, I think it was more than three years ago, about the literal society and um the living shoreline. And if I I think there was something with the matching funds and the governing body at the time didn't didn't uh want to spend the funds. I don't remember the exact story though,
so don't don't uh take my my word for it. Uh but we'll we'll follow through with them. It it sounds like it might be a good match and uh could be helpful on all sides. Okay, great. Thank you. You go back to Normandy. They've been
like a natural settlement depository back from the ocean to us last week. It's actually it kind of healed itself a little bit. Yeah. All right. Hey Elise.
Hi. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, we can. Yes. Hi. Uh, Elise Casey, 263 Fair Haven Road. Um, okay. Sorry. Back to Bsentennial Hall. Uh, real quick, can you guys clarify for
me exactly when like a final final decision would be made regarding the exterior paint color? like if it's going to be green or white or what shade or white. So, um so so what would happen again um
again we had the preliminary meetings with Laura Berwin. Um she did the prel the preliminary research which she presented tonight um you know but she said 90% sure that it was you know taking a look at the historical context of that style of a church and also
looking at previous photos that it was white. Um we have yet she is still yet to finish the um the entire um bidsp spec pack package that would be going out. So when that would be finalized is when we would have that the governing body would review that and again and I
think from what I heard the governing body tonight obviously they would involve the HIC to review it as well. So um but that's when we would have um what the specs would be once once the final bid package is completed. Okay. Um, just because I know the last time this was done, Pat Drummond, she
went um into a great deal of of trouble trying to figure out and research what the original So maybe that's something that the HBC would take into consideration. Um, that was my first question. Sorry. My second one would be
just just to clarify if the HBC does recommend that further paint analysis will be done is would that cost fall on the historic association wouldn't fall on you. I think we would
probably decline it as a governing body dependent on what the cost of that would be. I mean I I just speak for myself. I'm not looking to put big dollars into trying to identify a color, but I'm I'm one vote that doesn't get to vote unless there's a tie up.
I mean, I'd like to know how much it costs. Is there any way to find out how much the analysis would cost, but at least we're making the decision. I mean, if it's if it's I don't know, $50. Yes, we would, you know, I agree. So, um, can I just ask if, um, was green the color that paint that Pat
Drummond came like decided was or found out was the color? Is that Yeah, that's through her research. Yeah. Um, the people she worked with, that's how they that's how they landed on that color. Is there any way to get that research to us and to maybe
I Yeah, I have it. Um, so I can provide that. Yeah, Lisa, if you want to forward that to me, I can forward that to Laura Berwin and uh get that over to her. Okay, thanks guys. Looks like Mrs. Bluth. Ruth,
I don't know if you're unmuted. I can't hear you. It's been a rather interesting meeting. Isn't it always? Yeah. Anyhow, many times Tracy has said, "For gosh
sakes, instead of having 17 different projects almost done, let's just do a few and get them totally done." And I go along with that. I as a matter of fact
on the left hand side of Schwanker Pond about three trees in there's one big lamb that land yes limb that falls into Schwanker's bond. The DPW could put on
some hip boots and cut this and pull it out of the bank. It would make an immense difference and it would be done. Many years ago, we had a dry spell and I was in real
estate and somebody put our sign in the middle of Schwanker's pond and I had to put on boots and go out and get the sign out of the middle of the pond. But very rarely does it ever get really wet anymore. Only supposed to.
The other thing being back in the day when they built by Centennial Hall or whatever you're picking a white paint for is they they did not have the plethora
of different names of f you know paint. You had maybe three or four. Look at them. Pick one. Do it. Let's not just bounce this back and forth from place to place. Let's get
stuff done. Thank you. I think I think we just agree with their pay. That's what I think I heard. I think right actually you're correct I know
in a lot of things but also that there there probably weren't that many clubs right you know what were the general back then um okay we are no one else all right we're going to move along
approval minutes September 8th 2025 regular meetings I have a motion to approve Alison may please have a roll call members Yes. Yes. Hatch. Yes. Rivera. Affirmative. Olson. Yes. Thank you. Uh,
old business. Uh, 2025-14 amend brush and leaf warns. Do I have a motion to open? Motion. Second. All in favor? Anyone opposed? Uh, anyone have anything on this up here? Uh, anyone in the public have anything on this?
Allison. No hands are up. Um, do I have a motion to close? Second. All in favor? I. Anyone opposed? I have a motion to approve. So move. Second. Second. Alison, may I please have a roll call? Council members. Miss.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Alson. Yeah. Thank you. 2025-15 create private salt storage ordinance. Motion to open. Motion. Second. All in favor? Anyone opposed? Anyone have anything on this up here?
Anyone in the public? Anyone? Allison? No. Hands are up. A motion to close. Motion. Second. All in favor? I. Anyone opposed? A motion to approve. Move. Second. Alison, may I please have a roll call? Council member Steinelli.
Yes. Ooey. Yes. Pat, yes. Rivera, Olson, yes. Thank you. 2025-16, amend tree removal ordinance section 148.12, violation of penalty section. Do I have a motion to open? Motion. Second. All in favor? I.
Anyone opposed? Anyone have anything on on this? Anyone in the public? Allison. No. Motion to close. Second. All in favor? Anyone opposed? I have a motion to approve. Motion.
Second. Alison, may I please have a roll? Members. Yes. Jeff Rivera. Yes. All right. We have a facilities update. Yes sir. Thank you sir. Um few updates and then some guidance from the GBW govern.
Um ribbon cutting for DBW was last week. Thanks for everybody for participation. Uh for PBCC we're circling on 24 October time to be confirmed. Um in the updates we've been providing PD and CC will be closed out tomorrow. Um so two more
projects complete. Uh which is super exciting. Um on Fish Chapel parking lot, we're going to target completion for tomorrow. Um want to confirm that the final pieces went in and the site site punch list is done, but the gate on the bio retention has been installed. If you haven't had a chance to take a look at
the green infrastructure, uh it's it's pretty fantastic and it's meant to survive and take on the water from a hurricane Sandy or another storm. Alligator Alley looks nice. not the plaque for this chapel's been um
coordinated with the reverend and the congregation. Um so hopefully in the next coming days we'll finalize the plaque get a chance to see the monument and the flag all the way come out with the walking stones. It's it's rather beautiful and I think really um symbolizes the significance of the site.
Um, I want to give a a shout out to Dep Dave Garl, uh, who did some phenomenal work on on temporary irrigation just with the amount of landscaping, you know, between the landscape and the storm water infrastructure. We've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on improving both. Um, so the last piece that I need some
guidance on, um, and we'll look for consensus, a vote. So, both the DPW and the PBCC site have the infrastructure in place for sprinklers. um in the original bit or the original
approval from the GB you know 2023 they uh the GB at the time decided no to sprinklers um with all the landscaping going in um and it's close to 80,000 FDPW and then probably another 40 between Fist Chapel
and PDCC um there's this tremendous amount of landscape and infrastructure and so the question and the guidance that we're looking to get tonight is is is the governing body in support of putting sprinkler infrastructure uh i.e. zones and whatnot um at the site given
the the watering needs. Um from a cost perspective uh we did get uh two different companies um for for PBCC DPW as a as a package. Um one cost came back at 22,242
the other vendor came back at 27,75. So either 222 or 27 more than 27,000. Um, so the guidance I'm looking for tonight is where where's the governing body at? Um, as far as putting the infrastructure in place. Uh, now is
prime planting season. Um, landscaping's done at PDCC. Again, Dave Carl, I think he put 16 zones in, temporary zones, just to make sure everything's watered accordingly. Um, and then we have the one species at DPW that's being replaced because it was diseased and died out. Um, so now would be the time to, you
know, put sprinkler infrastructure in all that and obviously go from there. Explain the 16 zones again one more time. Sorry. Yeah. So there's 16 different hose locations. Okay. All throughout PD and CC make sure all the different areas,
right? We have, you know, the bike path in between the neighbors. You know, we have all the plantings in the front of the PD on the side, the community center along the um in between Fisk and the PD. We're not talking about irrigating the bio retention basin. That by the very
nature is meant to, you know, just use the water that comes in there. Um so yeah, that's Do you have a an estimate what the annual costs are for maintaining? you know, it has to be winterized, then it has to be turned on again in the
summer. So, there there is an annual cost. Yeah, there's a cost to blow it out, which, you know, that's probably something an in-house team could handle. Um, it's hooking up a compressor, so I don't receive that. Obviously, yes, there is the maintenance cost. Um, are usually replaced and
abs. Absolutely. Yeah, there's there there's a general maintenance aspect to it and it needs to be weighed against how much manual work do we want going into this. If you go by PDCC right now, you'll notice all the hoses are out, right? And we got to have protective casings over the concrete so people
don't trip, right? So there's there's a whole slew of different considerations. Um, and it's manpower removing host in the winter, manpower, putting them back, putting them back, you know, and it's just a question of of,
you know, things get dizzy. So how how we pay for it? Is that facilities funds? So it's in the fund. It's in the funding already in the capital part or is it accurate? There are extra. Well, there are this would this is considered extra scope.
Okay. So, from that but as far as like the bucket of funds, there's a bucket of funds still left over for the facilities project. Yeah. But it would come out of facilities project funds to be part of the new project which we'd be eventually going for permanent financing on. Okay. So, just Yeah, it wouldn't it
wouldn't be a brand new No. Okay. No. No. from an appropriation perspective, absolutely not. Right. Um and again, you know, not there's a larger question. I don't think the question is so much as the cost, right? We've had tens of thousands of credits, right? We have another 10,000 come in right after we close out, right? So, I
don't think it's so much to cost the upfront, right? I think that is an aspect of it, but I think it's aspect of what is the recurring water cost going to be, right? Like there there is there is a commitment, you know, that we need to make. Um, but we also have to grant it that we spent probably $140,000 in landscaping at
three sites. I'll just say so everyone knows where I'm at. I'm totally against the sprinklers. Um, I was against all the additional landscaping. I think you heard me sarcastically call it botanical gardens. And now you're seeing the receipts here that we have to pay for
it. Um, we it looks fantastic. Don't get me wrong. I mean, you know, what we've built there is absolutely unbelievable. Um, but at the end of the day, it's a municipality and you know, it's it's uh it's not meant to be clubed and you
know, you we shouldn't have to maintain those systems and spend all the water on those systems over time and um that's just my opinion. It's a lot. So, I know what it's like to maintain my own sprinkler system at home. So, I can't
imagine 16 zones at a DPW in a police station for the next 20, 30 years and further um governing bodies down the line having to figure out whether to replace the system, whether to fix the system and just it's just another thing for us to maintain. Um I realize that we
have water systems all over the place right now and I sympathize also with DPW who's actually doing the heavy lifting on that and moving them around. But I also would argue that in future summers once the once some of these um items
have matured, we won't have the need to continually continuously water them. Much like on the third street trail when that first summer I had to drag my wagon there with all the water in it. Okay, you might have pitched in once for me. I was there the
whole summer. Um but in subsequent summers, I haven't had to do that because the tree has now taken hold. So, I'm not saying that works for every item we have, but for for a large majority of them, you know, by the time we hit summer two, summer, especially summer three, you're not going to have to have that that
heavy looking in in the absence of sprinklers, what what is the option? How realistic would it be? I'm just asking the question to to ask DPW or even some of the seasonal, you know, hires or perhaps you get a little bit more this first year to help
with that. Is that an option? Yeah, it's an option. Um, right now we have a water truck, a tank on a back pickup truck that we utilize to do like push streetscape on River Road or some of the other locations that don't have
hose bib accessibility. Um, obviously PD Community Center and DPW, we have access to whole hose bib and we just have to run the hoses. Um but yeah, it's time, it's energy, it's effort, and it's coordination.
Um would hiring additional seasonal help with that, or is it still really hard to hire? U obviously more more hands can can do more tasks. Yeah, it took it took it took a week to set up
set posts. Yeah, like a solid meeting. And yeah, it was So how does it work? So they're set up and they're there for the season. there's there and then both DPW PDCC will have to break down in what six weeks we're you know right right now what what
the professionals tell us is is like rain once a week suffices now we've been wondering a little bit more because there's a lot we want to get there but we haven't had rain once a week maybe every two weeks it's a I don't I don't know what to do here this is a tough one like I I I get the near-term need
I understand that only from a from a resident perspective like but there is cost with it what happens if pipes break, sprinkler heads break, you know, people are going to run over them, bicycles. Can we get can we get the school with um Superintendent McNeel maybe try and see if we can put together
a program for next summer where some sort of club you know wants to take on the challenge of watering we certainly could the new the new end and it's I don't know exactly how that would work but you know there there's um I think there's some benefit long term for
learning landscaping and you know you have to maintain your own property. I certainly wish I had that knowledge going into being a homeowner. I I didn't. Um, you gota be useful. All the infrastructure too that we bought, all the hoses, right? That can be put away and then put back out,
right? That is a practical, but we're asking for a week's worth of time running front end, right? Checking on all that. So, it's a leap in the front all May or June, whatever, and then a week in October. Is that mean less? I think it's less to take down three days. Did you say it takes five days?
It was It was It was It was probably more. probably six, seven days. Nick, I'm trying to remember. I felt like it was like Thursday, Friday. We had to we had to go and actually measure the hose lengths. We had to go and purchase them. We had to go to different stores to get various different apparatuses. So, it
was kind of a a little bit of a fire drill. But, um, but that's a one time that was the initial then they set up portion of it. On timers, don't you? I thought some of them on timers. Yeah. Yeah. did
PDCC is not PDC has a time at each station. So So that was an investment right there. It was it's a lot. I mean it's a lot of money. The only I'm not really I think I'm probably not for it to be honest, but my
concern is just all the work we put into it. Just making sure that we keep everything alive. You know, that's I mean the most important thing will be putting the temporary infrastructure back in the spring, right? because I will be here. So whoever this falls on
the facilities so in the springtime one a the the GC right and the landscape will have to make sure that everything stayed alive number one anything that has it has to be replaced because of a year warranty and then you'll want to time putting the infrastructure back out
at DPW and CCC to make sure you have one full year of watering which is what they recommend. So they recommend either plant in September, October or plan, you know, in April, May. June's pushing it. You allow winter to go by for it to do its thing. So that would just the the
GB, whoever that is next year, new GB next year, whoever's on facilities has to remember and obviously like the TPW doesn't forget, but you know. Yeah, good point. Good point. I want to better understand too of what's left over from facilities. I to your point
doesn't sound like a ton of money given what we have left over, but what are what are the competing priorities? So, for example, I'm putting my library hat on right now. Um, you know, if we're thinking about new flooring or ceiling or lighting, um, what are some of the other projects that
we have? It's a great great point. Yeah. So, what I'm here just to close out the facilities update, Kristen wants more information on what what's available. I think we do an update on that. That by the way, we have opportunity about and I'm thinking what I'm hearing is the
Kens says no to sprinklers. I'm struggling with I'm not sure about it. Yeah, I'm sure there's good arguments on both sides. Yeah. I think I think if we take I see both,
right? I see put it in, but I also see like, hey, if next spring comes around and we're struggling, right, to do it or whatnot or the plants aren't keeping with the water, then you make the choice to put it in later, the infrastructure is there, right? That the the way we set it up, right, was we
made sure that the infrastructure push, which was there. So, it's at PDCC. It's about to be at DKW probably in the next week or two. So, it'll literally be plug and play. And if the GB decides not against sprinklers, you just convert it to another um
false not a false hit. Um thank you. So there's options. So we can always go back because the infrastructure is there though. We could but the likelihood of going back that usually I haven't seen anything like where we go back after decisions been made.
So is the temporary watering working now? Yes. Do I think the temporary watering could work in the spring? Yes. If whoever's charging facilities is tracking the health of the plants from this year and then works closely with Nick and Dave, whoever else that is to
put the the temporary infrastructure back and get the word back. Yeah. What I'm So, a couple things. The it seems like the the budget has been very prudently managed and has been, you know, well under budget. There's, you know, great job. Thanks.
Um so there's a lot of money left over. It could be used elsewhere. Um but then the other part um is it just that sort of the optics of you know we put in something really nice and then if it if we let it die that's
not a good look and to your point you know you said the receipts were going to come due and they did but we are here we did put in nice landscaping and some cost I know you're supposed to ignore it but it it's not a good look to to put in something nice and let fall
apart. So that's what's struggling. Yeah. That's why when I was talking with the mayor like we got to put it all out there and just just figure if we want another couple weeks to think on it and maybe at the first GB meeting we can come back and see kind of I don't think
we need to make a decision right now. The temporary infrastructure that's in place. The ground's not going to freeze in the next two weeks, right? So we have to worry about that from an installation perspective. We still have the quotes. So if the GB wants to sit on it, maybe talk to residents, maybe, you know, just mull it over and then on the 14th, we
we'll give it a Y or an A, I'm good with that, too. I think if we could get the information that Kristen's asking for maybe between this meeting and the next meeting, that would be helpful to just what what the other what what else are they thinking about doing? Yeah. Facility wise. Yeah, I think I think it's no problem
providing like how much is left as far as the prioritization. That'd be a conversation to have here. Like we can we can provide like how much is left over. I think the last time I tend it was in the millions. Yes. Yeah.
Can you explain what you mean about installation? You said the ground's not going to freeze. Oh well, you can't you can't install sprinklers when the ground is frozen. So like the ground won't freeze in the next two weeks. I see. So GB decides in two weeks. Yeah. Let's go for it. The sprinkler companies can come out with the ball, install it, let
it run for a couple weeks, then we can blow it out. Fair. Is that a fair statement? Two weeks come back. Okay, that is everything I have everybody. Thank you. Uh thank you. And um we're on new
business resolutions 2025-244 um through 250. Is anyone before I ask for a motion, does anyone want to separate anything here? Does anyone have any questions on anything here? Do I have a motion to approve? Motion second. Alison, may I please have a roll call?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Albera permit. Yes. Um, next up, department reports August 2025 and the budget status also. Is that that's part of the same thing we're
approving? Do I have a motion to accept with a thank you? Thank you. Second. All in favor? I. Anyone opposed? All right. Um, before I ask good to the burrow in the public, anyone have a good
to the burrow here? I have a few things there. Is Kelly here? Yeah. Oh, man. Uh, huge shout out to Kelly Flanigan. Uh, silver status.
Hit it again. State of New Jersey. Every I mean environmental green the amount of volunteers. Who am I missing? Shade tree, Chris York, the burrow, BPW chief. I mean, it was buri attorney.
Yeah, Christy Larson. Christy Larson was was instrumental. Bettyanne. Um, so huge, huge accomplishment. Huge kudos. Um, the other thing I wanted to bring up, um, and it just came in and I heard that, you know, River and Fort Porter Creek
were brought up. It's not a human source that the contamination's going in there that just came out. So I won't get that on the record. That's a good thing that it's not a human source. Not human. It's jinxy. So that means it's raining water or dog. Yeah. Not human. Um and then the
last thing um just looking for for a quick consensus. So the natural area committee would like to submit a grant. Um it has to be submitted by them. Uh it's through the freehold soil conservation um to do a forest management plan only
for the natural area. Zero cost like doesn't cost anything to prepare, doesn't cost anything to get a grant. Um no, that we're doing the deer grant. Um this is this is different. The same forestry survey. I mean, no, it's completely different. Okay. So like specifically to the health of the natural air to help identify a plan.
By design the government entity is not allowed to submit it. we just have to send them an email saying we're in support of the natural are doing this and they'll work with the freehold soil to do it. So I just want to make sure that there wasn't any um I have no objection. I'm total totally in support but I'm just saying for the
record just because we do the report doesn't mean that we have to act on the um recommendations but it can give us direction. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't want the wings.
Awesome. That's uh that's my good part. Thank you. Um so I just to uh dubtail on the green team, they did the sports swap this weekend and it was another huge cense which I couldn't be there but they collected they said 564 pounds or they
saved that's how much they saved out of the landfill and that doesn't include all the bikes and everything that they also had. They had like bikes and scooters. So I I think this is now the third year that we've been doing it and people expect it. I saw video was pretty amazing. So I I'm really happy that
we're doing that and I know it's been really successful. So thank you. Anyone in the public for Marty? Sure. 33 hands round. I just want to thank you mayor for bringing up the ebikes. Thank the council for voting on it because we
just obviously had a tragic accident and so I think you were ahead of the curve with at least implementing something. So, thank you for doing that and making all residents more aware. Could I could I add to that? Sure. Um, I noticed
that these these younger kids don't know how to go through crosswalks on their ebikes. Yes. That especially if the crosswalk is at a light, they just assume regardless of whether there's traffic moving through the light that they can cross. And I I
think that comes with education with reminding the kids in school that if you're out of light, you have to follow directions of the light and not the fact that a false walk gives you egress. So, uh I met with Chief McGovern um this
morning. Um they they had uh meetings at the Nolan school today from 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. as part of they had their they had their annual they do it in the fall and spring where they taught all the kids. So they actually know it today I think it's got
next month but we're going to do a boat bike probably very early in November. Um, and then you we've been out there I I don't have to list how many kids we stopped with and we've been out there waring the kids and they took a couple bikes worth
chief does that they knew more of the whole crosswalk thing like does does the school allow kids to ride their ebikes to school in Fair Haven? Yes. Can we can we make like a request like Yeah, I talked to a request by the school. Yeah, I had I had a talk me show
Sean that today also superintendent and uh after the mayor we spoke but we he was just that he he said you look he wasn't really in favor of either. I I I don't know if that's really I think it's I don't think the problem is actually after school and stuff. I don't know what that's really going to solve.
We could work with the uh school attorney if that's something that the you know council like to work on but that's something that the school would have to ban. I I totally get it. I just I I struggle with this and when you heard what happened last week, like if if god
forbid something like that happens, we're going to wish we pulled every lever possible, right? No matter how inconvenient. So I I don't think I don't think we have any jurisdiction to say you can't ride your bike to school and back. I think the school can has jurisdiction
to say you can't have your ebike on our propert. Yeah, that's their decision that I don't Can we Can we make an ask to the board of ed to like or to the superintendent? That's our purview. Are we house? Yeah, you could. You know, we could write a collective memo to them, I guess. But like they're the
board of ed is making decisions independent of totally governing body. If the mechanism is a memo from us all in support like as another means to reduce the ebikes on the road is that they can't take them to school or they can't put it on school property. Totally get it. But I'm not trying to be a
stickler on this one, but like whenever we can polish, but you know, it's it's they just don't follow. I mean, I did see a kid on pants on the Hansen River that went diagonally through the intersection and almost get it. I think
it's crazy. Um, this is, you know, in addition to what the chief did, I know that the green team is having the bike safety outside of, I think, Nolan and Sickles on the ETH. And if anyone from the green team's uh listening, maybe talk a little bit about the intersections, bring that part up and
have some discussion on that. And so, I know it's not enough, but at least it's reinforcing the messaging that we put out there. Yeah. I mean, the hard part for us has been getting parents to engage. You know, we tried to have a meeting last year and nobody and nobody showed up. And so like how do we reach that population? That's that's
the missing link. The kids are getting the education going to take an act. Yeah. Or like some sort of reinforcement. And is there something maybe he could that the chief could give us as on the communication side of it and some kind we have in the past. We're working on something new. We have we have done that
last year that a lot and maybe even just mention the recent you know recent accidents too. So it's this is real world. This is not just hypothetical and it's it's three pieces. It's forming, enforcement, communication, and ordinances, right? Those are the three
primary perspective there. Well, we're we're trying to work all three as part of the weekend. So don't need to believe it. Mayor, thank you for the chief. Thanks for doing that with John. Anyone else go to the burrow? Yes. Seahorse
32 Fifth Street. Um I just wanted to compliment you guys. You put you basically put a a complex in the middle of a neighborhood that is a residential neighborhood. People are very much concerned about that. Parking lots are ugly. We've got one new big parking lot,
another parking lot. Um but the landscaping and the quality that's sitting there. Um it it is going to uh it's an enhancement of the neighborhood. So that neighborhood over there is going to have its own personality and its own character. But the people working on it,
Drew was sort of sleeping in a cop over there on that side of of the street. Um, the chief has been very very responsive. The neighbors wanted that one way and they wanted those parts stopped. So, as far as it goes with the safety and the beautifification, I know the plings cost
a lot, but again, it is a it's a residential neighborhood. Uh, shouldn't be a municipal complex or or commercial complex. Uh so the beautifification is really important and it also sort of takes your eyes off of the cars. Uh on a weekend it's going to be sort of a mess
I think when all the ball fields are going and there's something going on at the community center. But uh we're very very uh appreciative of the responsiveness that we've gotten there. There are some glitches and things but even the things going forward that we'd like to see taken care of. We have
commitments that people will listen and see see if it makes sense. So, and the plants, uh, the native plants, um, they will not need a whole lot of water two years from now, but they really need the water for the next year and a half. So, you don't want them to dive up and you
already recognize that in the open area. So, I just wanted to say thank you. And Drew, we see him out there all the time and Kristen, too. But, um, so we think it's going to the neighbors in the neighborhood and some of them are even fixing up their houses more than you did before to try to keep up with it.
So, I just want to let you know that. Thank you, Steve. Thanks, Steve. Anyone else for the burl? Just to follow that very quickly, um I received multiple uh calls and text messages from non-residents who had parked near or close to PD and CC around
the time of the fair and there was so much praise about those buildings and how well they came out. So, even other towns in New York City. Thank you, Alison. Hi. Thank you. Um, we do have an executive
session tonight. So, at this point, we're going to um we'll do a journ. Go to executive session. The time is 9:04 p.m. Do I have a motion? Second. All in favor? Anyone opposed?
All right. Do I have a motion to adjourn the meeting at 9:31 p.m. So motion second? All in favor? I. Anyone opposed? No. Fair. This is my ambassador. Oh, that's so cool.
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