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Go for it. Calling this meeting to order then. Um, all righty. Uh, July 8th, 2026 hybrid meeting for the environmental commission. Um, this is a regular

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meeting of the environmental commission of the burough of fair haven. In accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings act, public meetings may be held in person or by means of communication equipment to include streaming services and other online meeting platforms. This meeting

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is being held in person and through the Zoom meeting platform being broadcast from Burough Hall, 748 River Road, Fair Haven, New Jersey. Public participation for this meeting on July 8th, 2026 is available by call and phone number or through Zoom. Members of the public will

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be on mute until time for questions comments which will be announced. At that time the public has the opportunity to question comment by phone or through Zoom by the raised hand button and will be called on at the appropriate time. Notice this meeting was sent to the Asbury Park Press, the Two River Times,

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and the Star Ledger on January 30th, 2026. Posted on the burough website, the bulletin, and has remained continuously posted as required under the statute. With adequate notice having been given, the environmental commission secretary is directed to include this statement in

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the minutes of this meeting. that stand for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all. >> Thank you. With that, Christy, can you please take the poll? Anna Anthony >> here. >> Lamb, >> present. Kelly Flanigan is absent. Susan Lopez is absent. Jesse Murray

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>> here. >> John Palinetti >> present. >> Gary Patterson >> present. >> John Peters. Maybe he's running late. He said he was coming. Okay. Also present, Councilwoman Dina Mki and B Secretary Larson. You have a

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quorum. >> All righty. So, first order of business is the last month's meeting minutes. Did everybody get a chance to take a look at them? Any questions, comments, edits?

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All right. Uh, one in favor of approving the minutes. Second. >> Uh, anyone not in favor? All right. I think we're good. >> All right. So, current business. Um, I think I think so. We'll we'll wait a

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second till we get to the water story. But Kelly did send me some updates. I don't know. I might might go a little bit out of order with some things, but I figured at least kind of give her uh what she provided uh first and then we can kind of go into the rest of our uh agenda. So, first thing

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is the mayor. All good. So, Kelly's updates. She said the burrow received um a grant for the clean communities. It was almost $14,000. Uh these funds are generally used for

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leaf and brush grinding as a prevention against storm water buildup for and for the muts that are located within our parks and natural areas. So that's the first thing she wanted to make note of. Um I guess based on the last meeting too, I think that's where some of these

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comments are coming from. Just like just a follow up front. Uh last meeting we were talking about the recycling. Uh she wanted to make sure we knew that there are no repercussions. If people place recyclables in plastic bags, they get picked up regardless. Um it just, you

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know, the thing that's unfortunate is plastic bags will get stuck in the machines at Maza. So, it's obviously preferred not to put things in plastic bags. All right. Um, hold off on that one.

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Hold off on that. I could probably go through these the rest of the updates when we go through the agenda here. So, okay. Um, so first thing going over our priorities. Uh first thing I guess is the water story

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which I know John had sent over uh some things to all of us. Um I guess it was earlier today. So if you want to >> sure discuss sitting in front of us is an original copy of the original proposal to build two rivers water

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reclamation authorities. Circulate these around. I made up a new map today which shows both the service area of the True Rivers Water Reclamation Authority as well as Christie as well as the members versus the customers. We are a member. I'm

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happy to share it to anybody. Um uh the purple ones are the members, the lavender are the members, the blue ones are the customers. The um the uh authority was set I believe it's 65. my thing is the first draft. So I'll check all my dates. But um the uh the

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party was set up. We were a founding member and we pledged our full faith and credit to get it up and running. The great news for us is that it doesn't go onto our municipal budget, the maintenance and operation of our local sewer network. It's the sanitary sewers. What uh Kelly asked me to write about

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and I wrote up was that in some towns like a Perth Amboy they had combined sewers where your storm water is mixed with your sanitary sewer. So every time there's a major rain event millions of gallons of sewage go into the river are untreated. Um in our case we have a

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totally separate system. We're picking at the edges and I I gave a list in the um the authority I along with Chris York represent for the burough fair and because we're members each of the member towns six member towns which is

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Shrewsbury Oceanport uh west long branch uh oceanport a little silver we each have two representatives on the board and I can assure you that I always am looking to manage it for the benefit of our community and make sure that the quality the water is maintained to the highest

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standards we can. Um we're involved in a major capital project. We're putting a new tunnel in because the tunnel we have is from the original um program uh that runs under Pleasure Bay coastal ocean floor to uh the sewer plant on Raccoon Island. If anybody ever wants to see it,

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feel free to give me a go over and see it. Um and the uh water authority handles and treats all our sewage um and um treats it to national and and New Jersey standards and then discharges the

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extra water uh cleaned out into the ocean at M Beach. >> How did they make the flooding done one day? >> Uh as far as I know, I didn't hear of anything significant. I'll find out. I haven't I haven't heard. Usually if there's something, Mrs. O'Brien, I usually hear they usually send me something. So I haven't seen anything.

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Um we did have some damage in Sandy which we that's one of the reasons we're building new public stations and the new uh under the river uh tunnel. Hopefully the tunnel is going to be completed in the near term. Um our storm water system is separated and completely maintained

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by the burrow at this point in time and that handles moving our water into most the vast bulb in the water very winds up in the napsync either recharges into the ground moves into the napsync river and there's combined surface flow into the

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river there's also sewers you know stolen sewers that we maintain anything else they asked if we' have septicate I don't think we have any septic That's what I'm going to have to ask. I don't know if there's any septic users left in town >> because when you read this study, it's

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it's a it's cautionary tale. I'm going to get a copy of the PDF form for everybody. I'll send it around. Um, they were having massive problems in the early 60s. Um, and you know, the number of septic systems are out there. The one thing I'll say on the map that I just showed is that the areas that are not

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colored in either beige, blue, or lavender are um not suited. And I am extremely vigilant about retaining the capacity of our authorities for the

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benefit of the six members. >> Right? >> I can I want to make it I am vigilance. [clears throat] I am extremely aggressive that the value that we took on in 1965 we pledged our faith in credit. You know when you were going to build schools or something they would have looked at the sewer bonds as part

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of a liability to the town. You know, Romson early on the study here was in and they got out and that means since they're customer the customer towns are Romson I don't okay this okay um Romson Sebrite uh Redbank is a customer uh

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Eatontown uh most of Titanfalls the vast bulk of Titanfalls and Shrewsbury Township are all >> uh customers they pay by the gallon now the places that scare me are Cole Snack to the west of us you know because they got massive pressures on development.

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They have massive pressures. And you'll notice there's no sewers. Most of Middletown is sewered. Not all of it, but most. You can see the areas there. I made this map up from Data. >> Um with of course my own stylings on it, but um the Data shows you the areas.

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There's quite a large area in Coleneck that is not sewered. And obviously they might try and look around for a bit. >> What does that mean though? Like so water has nowhere to go. >> They have it. they accept it or you have to build like there's if you go by the cold stack high school there's a new development going up there they have

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their own mini treatment plant which discharges into the >> yeah I too um what I can tell you [laughter] >> I can tell you is that the members of burough council this was the most brilliant thing that our our our prior members did to join the authority because anytime there's a problem all I

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do is pick up the phone and say what are you doing about it >> um I did send around photos I'll get you copies of >> the break that occurred uh in March. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Be the report Netflix and sewage. >> Thank you. That's in my that's in my

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draft report which is I basically said there there's like five or six horizon items. C I'll see if I can get them all in my head. One was Colts neck and these areas that are not sewered. Um to me again there's a possibility at some point in time that they have needs for additional capacity. They may change the

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requirements. They may require the plant to process more slowly or have extra pro. So, I'm going to give you numbers. They're not right, but I'll just to give you an idea. I I believe we have 10 million in licensed capacity right now according to the state. 10 million gallons a day. I think we have capacity

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for 13 because the plant we have actually has a little extra capacity. I don't think we're licensed to it. I got to remember all the rules. And we have potential like um for instance, there's choke points in the system. Okay. So, you know where do we all know where our public stations are in? >> There's one by Shriker's Pond. There's

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one up here. There's one up on fourth. creek here. There's one Shersbury River yacht club, right? I'm trying I think that's all of them. The three of >> that may be one aspect of it was the local collection system may not have capacity or the pumping stations might not capacity or pump the the lines that

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go to the gravity system that gets it over or it could be the big pipe under the under the ocean from Ocean Port to Mama Beach. The other thing of course is we have dump the water out to the ocean. So there's there's an outfall pipe that goes out into the ocean and I can I can tell you that the authority it's been

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very I'm very pleased when I left council I went on the authority it's been very good to to watch it and also to be help people moved forward. Um we're pretty vigilant about maintaining it versus when you have it on your own budget like Rumson or Redbank you got to find the money and you have to find the money in your budget versus the

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authority >> takes care of these problems. So like the sewer outflow, we've actually had divers down to look at the output, make sure it's in good shape, and you know, it's but that's also capacity, how much water we can >> move out to the ocean. So any one of those things could be a stop gap to

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extra, you know, capacity. >> And therefore, I'm really vigilant about making sure that we have capacity here, that this burough has capacity and all the members have capacity. >> Member towns come first, basically. >> And then the second one is the blues, which are people we already helped. So

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we do have a problem. That's one of my Okay. So I said eaten. So uh Netflix is a question mark right now. We really don't understand fully >> how much it's going to add to the system. Uh Netflix um Fort Mammoth is half oceanport half eaten tap. >> Yeah.

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>> Anything in Oceanport is the authorities problem. Although we get from the entity that runs Fort Moth, we get them to kick in money to improve things before they pass it on to us. But anything in the oceanport side will come essentially the authorities

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responsibilities like fair. Um you got to get me riled up. Use the word eaten town. You use the word eaten town with me. I'm like who's paying for that? I don't want to pay for it. So eating town they had eaten town and something the other night. I'm like eating town. >> But they're members right? So then I'm not members they're customer gallon.

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They pay per gallon. Anything we do for the infrastructure if the authority does it I want full reimbursement. >> Yeah. I don't know. Did you like the new construction of MTH wall or the um hybrid road will be per gallery? >> Correct. >> Correct. >> But it's still

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>> part of the the full number though the amount >> that what's interesting is that they have a limit and I'll get the limit for us. I didn't have that in my head but I'll get it. Each of the customer towns have a limit. >> Oh, really? >> And they some of them are exceeded.

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Some of them have problems with intrusion uh where you have salt water intrusion or people there some pops up to the sewer and so like sometimes we'll have flow problems. Oh, I said in the note I just just remind you. >> So the funny thing is you see the purple

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and blue, right? >> The members are 38% of the flow, >> right? >> The customers are 62%. And I'm like, "Wow." Every month I go to the meeting, I'm always sitting there and I'm always looking at the at the monthly totals. I can actually I should get them recommended,

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>> but we're only 38%. >> And the customers are 62 and some of the customers are exceeding. >> So what happens if they like exceed and we say no? >> Well, this is where it gets interesting. I'm I'm thinking about how we should probably manage that problem, which is

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that so let's just theoretically talk about a theoretical town that runs it own sewer network that maybe hasn't done as much maintenance and repair and therefore has a bunch of intrusion coming in either through illegal connections or uh saltwater intrusion or people pumping out whatever they're over

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right now. They could fix these problems by spending their own money or they could just pay for gall as long as we don't haul them up on a corner. they're probably just going to keep paying for gallons and not do as much as they need. Uh I am pretty vigilant about wanting things to run correctly. >> And the customer towns do have a

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responsibility, the authority to only send material that's properly, not, you know, somebody dumps diesel into the system, it's going to wind up at the plant and we're going to have to deal with it. So obviously anything that goes into the system is of concern to me >> um and other members of the board. Um so

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so that kind of stuff. So for Netflix was one uh future growth and development in our towns is another one. uh intrusion issues and we we we have the two rivers sorry the NASA municipal committee >> which basically we're we're I think

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we're a founding member right I just wanted to I I I wrote it down but I just wanted to I always like to confirm these things >> but that's a separate group trying to deal with um you know inflow and and issues of um you know we have we have surface condition problems like um over

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in over in the forest farms and stuff over in Middletown that run into the creeks and then bring ecoli and stuff into the river. Um, so that's a challenge. Anybody who's got illegal connections or connections or stuff like that, find anything else.

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>> That's probably most of the member towns are pretty much developed at this point. >> Well, I mean, any of us could be subject to a builder's rent. Any of us could be subject. How much available land is there in fairhanded to put in a multif family unit other than

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>> I I think I think this the scary part about that if I speak freely as an economist is that the price points in fairly work pretty easily. Do you know what I mean? Like you conglomerate four or five units then you show up a town and say I'm going to build a 35 unit >> whatever. I mean again there's a lot of

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land that's in lower use. But the other thing is the state government could change the rules >> and force in California essentially up so the state what I don't want to have happen for the burough for the future is that the sewer

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authority functions as a problem that involves capital investment that cost the people of fair money. I would rather preserve my capacity. Council people can guide me if you feel that you know I I could believe in preserving the capacity for our future need right. I don't want to sell things.

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We're member towns first. Secondary is customer talents. So we go from there >> and then nons are nons but they want they could potentially want that's what you're saying protect against >> always. Uh potentially would be that we

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haven't seen it. I've seen it. So, they've actually shut up and talked. >> Oh, okay. >> And I am absolutely against >> serving them because once we expand it, there's a known um service zone that that's our the

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lavender. >> Once we expand it, turning it off again, it's not >> very viable because people have made commitments and blah blah blah. So, I'm very much let's stay home. >> Yeah. Even the development in Redbank is also booming. >> Well, and and you know that's an

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interesting point because that that exactly is exactly why I think we retain the value. Now the customers to me these are our neighbors. These are people we help out. I definitely don't want to cost people a fair [laughter]

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but I'm going to not be unpleasant. And you're right, they're eating capacity. And actually, I would talk I would talk to the B ministry of Red B about it because I think we should start to sit down and get a 10 year 20-y year outlook because Right. I don't know how much new is coming online.

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>> Yeah. It could definitely Yeah. >> And it could be significant. And it could be significant. I I think the good news is we have capacity. >> Yeah. But that being said, I want to use itly >> for the reason. >> Do you feel like the general consensus

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is sort of how you're thinking on the board or >> I think there's varying opinions. I think that um some people see it a revenue source. I don't think it was a revenue source. Um I don't think the state less if look if I could charge triple price to call snack. So I could

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lower your orderly bill. Now you got me in the discussion. But if I'm only going to break even >> Yeah. Uh, oh yeah, the other thing is other towns have problems like their systems and networks. They're asking us to help maintain them. I don't want to get involved in that getting either. >> Uh, CBRE was looking to have us help

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them out. >> You know, Rumson has a network that's a little bit degraded. They had some major problems. They've had they've had what's called force main blow up on them. That was pretty bad. Red Banks that had problems. I can tell you that play. Um, it's just for fun. You want me to finish

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to stop it. Um, if you want to know where Redbank sewage goes, it goes down to Buster Pusha Point. That was where the original plant was. And then it pumps up along the train tracks and it dumps into the sewer authority at the corner of Newman Springs Road and Shrewsbury, right? Newman Springs and

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Broad Street there. That's where we pick it up and then it comes out to the plant. But um no I mean was also interesting is that um when I thought this I thought that the other people joined the authority like years later like called like you know eaten town. No they were

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all joining up in like 67 68 69 >> uh reb like within a couple of years because it was a huge savings right if you don't have to run your own plant upgraded clean water act was coming. So, >> so this feasibility report was done so long ago. Have they are there any plans for just kind of like a general update

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considering all the future conditions and things to consider? >> One of the reasons I'm reading this is because first of all, it's a very good document. It was well thought out at the time and it really was addressing, you know, and I I talk to my students all the time at school because everybody thinks everything gets worse. This is a proof that things have gotten better

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because when you read about the problems we had with excessive no you know you have all those houses on set it was problem that you know it was really you know and it was in our town's pretty dense and you know it's it's a real challenge and you know you were hearing about in Redbank they had a lot of

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issues and so >> you know this is something that we've largely dealt with and I'm looking at this because exactly where how effective is this planning document and should we be updated or at least do some, you know, some brainstorming, some some

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whiteboarding to see >> where our capacity is. The good news is I think our facility is pretty good for the future. Like I'm talking the new tunnel will be the biggest kind of and the new pumping station. So it's on either side. They have to sewage up. So

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those two facilities uh and the new tunnel underneath underneath Ocean Ports at Mama Beach should I'm hoping to put a subway for 25. Remind me when that's supposed to be done. >> Well, then the other thing was we had we

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had a problem. We had dug tunnel 3200 feet and got up 900 ft from the shore and the tunnel machine got stuck >> and we had to build a rescue tunnel. We had to come from the other side of the ocean. >> Oh my goodness. >> And we drilled back. But the good news is we've broken through.

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>> And so now we're just hoping to dot the eyes and cross the tees and finish off the tunnel. But it's been it's been a joy fest. Let me just say this and and and and I'm I'm famous for not being pleasant and I was really not pleasant about this situation. So I'm still not

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very pleasant. But yeah, the tunnel broke through. They they were drilling in I mean the machine an 8ft tunnel and the pipe is going to be 52 in inside. And they drilled a rescue tunnel from the other direction at 60s something in. And

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then they're going to line the thing with a fiber bus. That should last us. And then after they're done, they backfilled it with concrete. So it's under the river, but it got stuck 900 ft from the shore. >> Is that some person in there or is this just m like >> it was? Yeah, in both cases there was a person in there actually. Yeah. And they

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went away for a while and and and and the flooding, you know, again, the rivers there. We still are going through a lot of the details of what happened, but simple answer is stuff flooded into the tunnel and then they they couldn't go back to work or wouldn't go back to work and then um we had to then come up

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with a balance solution. The worst case scenario would have been we'd lose it, have to drill again. >> Yeah. >> This way. And the other thing is the inside. So they put the machine in, the machine drills and then they line the tunnel with steel arches and wooden beams. >> And a wooden beam is only going to last

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a couple years. So, if we didn't get a rescue tunnel in and go from the other way, it might have rotted and then we'd lose everything and have to redrill. >> What a mess. How long has been processed? >> It's $120 million project. 110 $120

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million project. Um, the key, you know what really helped us? Want to know what really the craziest thing that helped us up was the permitting. The D permitting was was crazy thing. We spent we spent thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars on permitting and permits and all this. I'm sitting there

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going, we're trying to save the freaking environment. Could somebody improve this crap? Let's get rolling. And it took us forever to do that. But, you know, it's it's I don't know. It's five, seven years. I guess it was I don't know what seven years it was started. So they actually started like

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>> I mean the plan the paper >> but they started about a year ago actual process of like digging >> the digging started I think the tunnel got stuck in the the machine got stuck in December >> of last year not this year last year 25

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I think they started working in like March of 25 >> because I was on council when he came and presented I think the final >> Yes. >> Yeah. Oh J. Yeah. So that's when they said that now we're going to get in the ground. >> Yeah. No, it's been a long process. But

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you know what? This is the kind of stuff when you you know when they ask me you as me to write this thing for the >> uh the the idea of long-term planning versus solving today's problems is really key. >> Yeah. >> And I feel I feel comfortable to tell

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everyone here that I am never happy about everything. But generally I think you're looking at the right game. You know, we're we're arguing about how much to do, when to do it. Again, like the pipe that failed. I sent around the picture of it so it's right on the roof. We're looking at whether or not we're

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going to replace the whole thing cuz I just need to know if it's got other problems. If the pipe is solid, you can keep it. Okay. But if it's going to cause us more trouble, >> where was that? >> It's actually between the Shrewsburg Riverach Club and about >> by Robin. >> Yeah. But the crazy thing is

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>> Yeah. The crazy thing about is >> even think of putting a sewer pipe >> literally at the high tide line >> along a beach. >> I was like, "Wow, that's 1965." There was no play rack, so I guess they

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just did it. >> All right. Crazy. >> No, thank you for that. >> Did you send an email of something? Do you mind sending it to >> Well, I'll send you a report. I mean, it's at this point. >> Oh, you sent I was looking from him. All right. Send everything out.

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>> Don't take it as gospel truth until I rebet it. That's what >> I see it. Thank you. >> See if anything. >> Yeah. No, thank you for pulling that together for us to start from that. >> Great. >> Anyone have any other comments related

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to that? >> Nope. >> The ones that are in yellow, they're they're other authorities. Those are other authorities, right? What's interesting is a little chunk I I didn't know this until I did this math and I got the data. So I got the data from the state T. They have officially sanctioned

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um sewer authorities, right? So if you have a sewer authority like you look out in Col, you'll see some micro like things like they'll like individual property or something like that. >> But the big ones Belfford is one the big one for um Middletown, something like that. Interestingly enough, we don't

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take everything from Titanfalls because the southern part of Titten Falls goes to Long Ranch or somebody. It's interesting because the B when I put the map together I saw the border of Tinf Falls did not coincide with the border of the authorities responsibility and I'm like what's this and they said oh yeah south because I guess at the time

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when they did it just like the water system they put it in and I think they just added to it as like if you know the east side of sorry the far west side of Fair Haven as Red Bank water. >> Yeah. And they never had a real operating agreement apparently because I

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guess when the water went in in 1900 or something like that. It was just like well we're doing the streets in Redbank up into whatever and we'll do three more to add another 50 houses on or whatever. But this I think the same thing. I mean just was speeding it because it's all about moving the sewage by gravity

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>> and he wanted to avoid having extra public stations. So, I guess the south part of Tin Falls um wasn't viable or was easier to observe branch. Sorry. >> Neptune. >> Yeah. Is it Neptune? >> Yeah, it's all the way

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>> Ocean Township. Ocean Township. No, maybe it's Neptune. No, Neptune. Yeah, it might be Neptune, but um as you said, it's a very important functionality seems to hopefully working along. >> I forget. Do you create a map that had

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all the kind of sewer system for our town? >> I I have some stuff. I'll get it. >> But I feel like that might be a good piece to this too is like showing not only like where our water bodies are, but like like the surface water bodies, but showing where the sewer systems are and just the direction of flow just in

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general where everything is. I think that that'd be a really good piece to include in this. >> Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, again, obviously, we'll see. I think I have some of the data. I'll look around. Yeah, I I did this with the uh I thought it was nice to see the member sources, the customers, right? And also to [clears throat] kind of capture

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>> the span. >> I I think it's somewhat logical where it is right now. You know, we're not going too far a field and we're serving the the two rivers area, right? We're both sides of the two rivers to have a single story. >> Um you know, I think it makes a lot of

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sense to kind of be careful. >> So, well, thanks. >> Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. >> Awesome. All right. Uh I guess moving on then to the communications piece and the website. Um

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and now let's see here. Um Berg said Hilly had sent a note saying that we're working on some announcements for watering during the summer months and shoreline landscaping and coming up with uniform templates for information produced by the environmental

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commitment. Anna has been helping out pull that together. I know Gary even kind of pulling some pieces together for kind of best practices. Um I don't know if there's anything else you'd like to talk about in that or um no I know after the last meeting

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circulated it nobody any other ideas. Kelly had mentioned something about the geese. So I I just like a foundation about the >> um you know that could be added to that but it kind of brings up another

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potential issue for the environmental >> yeah the geese. >> Yeah I brought up that the actual chemicals that they brought up in that but in the thing you sent me >> there was the what was it the control >> right

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>> um that's what surrounding towns are using. Um, >> yeah. >> And I mean it is it's expensive. It's $100 to $150 a tanker. >> So it's not cheap. Um, but it's effective. And bottom line is

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it's got a visual as well as a um a taste situation. So key in in bright colors. So it gives it a like a almost I'm going to use the wrong terms but like a glowing effect on the grass.

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So when they look down the grass doesn't look >> palatable to them. >> And then if they do still still decide to land on that grass it doesn't taste good. >> Um >> and you know I mean they we I I I do

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business in Belffort. They spray it all over my business and we were worried because it's a food business. So, we were asking them about the [clears throat] chemical and they're like, "No, it's safe." And it is safe. Um, and it works and there's no more geese, but um it's of course

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>> is that a recommendation that you guys want to make to the cancer? >> I mean, seems like a good recommendation, but I think we would have to talk it through for all of us. I mean, it's I I think it's great, but that doesn't mean anyone else does. Um Um But again, it's a cost. It's, you

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know, you talked about >> Is it 150 an acre though? >> 150 an acre. So that's I mean it doesn't happen to land. >> I mean the pond itself is not an acre. >> Correct. >> But how many times a year or is it >> I believe so I did a whole history.

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>> I know you sent us an email about it. Yes. I read all about Yeah. Yeah. >> I believe it said how many applications I um I'm pretty sure it's all in there. I think >> I don't I remember Chris gave some feedback. Do you happen to have the

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numbers of >> how many towns use it around us to help? >> Yeah, because we I remember there was some back and forth about this. >> Yeah. Give me one second. >> Yeah, I did something. >> Here we go.

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>> Um >> because I have I have the email >> I have the email pulled up that you sent. Yes. Um it does the background how flight control works application. >> Um >> the thing is it it didn't have the

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actual cost to it. Maybe if we had the cost as well. >> This was actually which I just I just read. Um I couldn't get a cost because the provider doesn't like to give you a cost until you actually do something. >> Oh, okay. Um, >> well, if that's something you want to move forward,

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>> I'll hold it. I'll I'll do a whole another write up. It doesn't take that long. >> Okay. >> Um, >> I can forward it to you. >> Yeah. I don't know that we could get a customer base without talking to the provider and I don't know that the provider would give us their customers because it's not normally what providers do. Um, we would probably have to pull

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the audience and surroundings out. But I have I think what what brought this up was I actually did I I did a handyman job at someone's home and they were they her job was to manage the grass at the

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Hudson and >> they actually were trying to get the permits three weeks prior. They had been turned down for the permits right before the accident with Sully. Um, and that's her when they claimed the fame. If we had, if we had controlled the geese, that

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wouldn't have happened. Um, and then she got to spray the whole hunt. But, um, so that was where the whole conversation came from. And then I just went into a rabbit hole one night because I couldn't sleep about flight control. And, um, learned all about it

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in an evening. Um, she would love to come talk. She even said she's not a ref. She just used it in her past and she was like, she believes in it. She thinks it's great and I had told her I was on the environmental commission. She said, "I'll I'll gladly come tell you

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guys my past." So, um it's just, you know, it's something that they they some everyone says is effective. So, >> um there's a the mayor's on and he's asking to speak. >> Yeah. Go ahead.

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>> Mayor Halpern. >> Hey guys, how's everything going? >> Hey, John. Did has anyone ever brought up to you it's like a solar light for the geese by any chance? >> Like a beacon that flashes?

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I >> mean, I can look up the effectiveness of it. I could do some research on it. >> Yeah. I I just, you know, someone mentioned it to me in passing and I feel like I've seen it as well. Um, but I think it only works if the geese are always there or if they or um if they're

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just coming for the day. It's one or the other. Uh, but I just thought I'd mention it as part of the conversation. I'm sorry to um disrupt the flow. Keep at it. Thanks. >> But I add that too. I mean, I think I put some alternate options in there as

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well, but um and this brought up a bunch of alternate options. >> Yeah, it does actually mention >> it does >> lasers and beacon like laser beams. >> And what did it say? Yeah, >> it's not going to be popular.

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>> Going into their houses, but they keep >> low low power, long wavelength. >> Okay. >> Red beam provide effective means of dispersing some birds we can see. >> So, it's like >> I don't know how the neighbors would feel about that. >> I mean, it

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>> So, does this go on the water or does it go in the grass? >> On the grass. Okay. Okay. So, I'm just saying because like property owners and stuff, I think if we could have some sort of presentation >> that's safe, people save everything. >> I think it's worth having a presentation about >> and it's been around like 20 years, you

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know, I mean, if it was around during the Sully days, that's been a long time. >> I mean, like I mean, I'm sure like the friends, you know, pond and stuff that be something for again all the property owners, it's something that's, you know, gets more information on it. Absolutely. and something that maybe everyone

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collectively since it is mostly like private property, you know, um that could help them. I mean, yeah, the geese around the pond. >> I mean, I don't know how much we're into a sales pitch, but I'm sure a reply, come on. You know, if we wanted to get a sales pitch, we could get a sales pitch. That's easy. Um the the the woman from

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Red Bank that that actually, you know, taught me about it. She had used it in her past and she was like, I'm a, you know, she goes, I don't have any like, you know, but I know all about it. I used it. So, she was she said she would be willing to come. Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, back when I had the

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conversation, which was like mid December, you know, I knew the geese were coming. I knew they were going to be here. So, you know, um, >> but yeah, I'll I'll I'll I'll chase that down. >> Yeah. Interesting just to kind of kind of revisit this back if we come back again in September because yeah,

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anything we can do about that. Um, can help greatly. I'm sure I'm sure one of the the folks around the home feel the same way. I know walking around a lot of fun. >> I know walking my dog around probably be a lot happier. Um I feel that. So interesting. >> My dog would not have made a little

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tower of laser shooting. But >> that would bug my dog out. >> If only that stuff could prevent the deer too. That'd be news. You know, >> you know, it has a lot to do with how they how they process light. >> Yeah, it makes sense. So, it has more to

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do with it that I I want I can't get like it gets like an iridesence. >> Um, and that keeps them from wanting teeth grass. And then again, they add a little bit of taste, I guess. But the iridescence is actually what chases the >> interesting.

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I mean, it says, you know, maybe cost prohibited for widespread use, but applications on smaller high priority areas. >> Yeah. I s like 150 to 250 acre. >> Oh, it's 250. Okay. >> 22

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>> at least, you know, maybe exploring looking into and >> yeah, I mean, so this comes from the USDA and fish and wildlife. >> Yeah. Um, and they have they actually have a agency contacts. I don't know how old they are, but

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>> you know, like when we had the we have the DP come in here once instead of like a sales pitch like Yeah. I really don't want a sales pitch. >> That's somebody from the agency. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Maybe USDA. >> I'm sure I'm sure we could I I'll do

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some research and see if I can find something. the D must be dealing with other I'm sure I'd be telling someone he knows about like I said I had no problem reaching out to an individual that I met went back and said you want to come >> share your past experience

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>> I mean I love that she's not around and I love that she just used it at a project you know and it wasn't a small project it was the Hudson you know so >> and we could do some more research on it find official folks too that'd be great >> I'll take care That'd be awesome. Thank you.

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>> And yeah, I guess related to the actual um like the announcements and what I know you had sent things over and um Anna and Kelly have been kind of working behind the scenes like getting some like I guess said getting the templates together to kind of I guess make things look nice for these type of announcements. Kelly, I don't know if

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you want or I don't if you wanted to mention anything about the the templates and kind of putting the information stuff together. >> Yeah, we're we're developing two different types of EC template. Can you hear me? >> Yeah. >> Two different types of EC templates. So,

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one that would be like water focused, one that would be earth focused, so we can um announce in a more cohesive way what the group is working on and advising on. Um Gary, we had kind of plugged in the information that you had sent, but there were some

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edits, so we won't share it tonight, but um then we can just get it over to Betty. >> What was that? Maybe we can get over for our next September meeting. >> Yeah, that's fine. We can get it taken care of. Um

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but uh that'll go into the focus or or to Betty so that she can distribute it so that it's um uniquely ours and has all of our information in a way that people can recognize. Um so Kelly and Jesse and I will work on that and share

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it with the group when it's complete. Um, let's see here. Moving on. I don't have any updates from Kelly on skip the stuff. So, I guess moving on to Fourth Creek and Navinc River.

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>> Um, excuse me. Um, she had said she wanted to skip this stuff under communications website because she wanted to know if somebody wanted to tackle um, taking this on draping of communications for either the business association or

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the public about skip this stuff. >> She did not say anything to me. Okay. I don't have any other details. >> Maybe perhaps we template. >> I know that's the thing. Maybe that's something that's part of the template or something we can like even like put on.

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So, um yeah, maybe put put a pin on that until September then. All right, I thought about it. Um see, fourth creek and nav river, I don't have any updates related to that. So, living

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shoreline grant. The only thing I have update wise is we're still waiting on plans from Stevens for the living shoreline. So, >> there meeting >> was there [clears throat] supposed to be another meeting? >> I have no idea.

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>> So, yeah, no updates there. Um, let's see here. Item four administrative items. Anybody have any other items of interest? anything new or >> the planning board we've

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discussed the I'm sorry >> go for the planning board sure >> no basically the last meeting we had a consultant that came in that's going to run it and to separate it into different committees that are going to handle the master plan basically that's what it is >> so folks in the planning board that are

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going to be on these committees >> uh some but also from different groups I think uh >> anyone requested from the environmental commission Uh we have parks and conservation, utility, circulation, land use,

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uh impact. >> Didn't we do this before though? Didn't you guys already make subcommittees before? >> They might have, but >> yeah, they were made when I was on a few months ago. Those were in development. We we uh do need to address some of the

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issues with the zoning particular the sailing clubs have problems with the burrow because the zoning is ambiguous about uh waterfront recreational activities and particular the zoning doesn't properly encompass the needs of the community and the long-term

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operations. So I'd like to see that corrected in this plan because it certainly is something that should be accompanied. It's part of our culture and our lives and yet the land use document is insufficient to properly address it. So, um it's something I'd

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like to see addressed in this round. It's just been an ongoing discussion and it's back and forth over what's allowed, what's permitted, what's not permitted, >> and it's just, you know, an endless discussion and it does seem appropriate especially for a waterfront community.

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What do they have a a plan for when they're going to be having things drafted and when there's maybe opportunity for review and are we going to get to see anything and any of that? >> Basically, it's my understanding was the committees are going to meet with the consultant on a regular basis and that's

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the extent of it and we don't know what the time frame is or whatever. >> Okay. When is it supposed to be done by? Isn't it? >> Sure. It doesn't sound >> I think we kind of I I think we said like August, but that wasn't the real like supposed to be done.

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>> Yeah. No, it is. But I forget what it was. But it's not it's not what I think we originally thought it was. >> Okay. >> Cuz I was under the impression too and I was like there's no way. >> Okay. >> I think it's >> I'm not I'm not on any committee. So I'm just passing what was discussed on that meeting. >> Okay.

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>> Maybe once you get some more information. >> Yeah. Once I get more time. >> Yeah. timeline, drafts, anything. And obviously, anything that we can kind of review and provide you comment on. Obviously, we have theRI for a great like at least great piece that to take a look at, but if there's anything in

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particular, you know, would be good for us to to weigh in on, um, I'm sure we'd be more than happy to do that. >> Jesse, that's a good point though. I'm assuming that they they have act they're using the ERI as sort of a guiding document as well. >> I can't answer that. >> Okay. That might be something when you go next time if you could just

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absolutely. >> Yeah, this is all new to me. basically, you know, they're discussing this and >> yeah, >> like Anna said, they already had the committees picked out before I even got involved. Yeah. >> So, these are the people that knew ahead of time what's going on. >> I understand that feeling. [laughter]

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>> Yeah. No, good to bring it up next meeting is we do have the starting place and then obviously again like we are more than happy to help provide any information or review or comment, >> right? And if they if they're looking for any

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other I don't know. I saw this was a member list, but if they're looking for anyone from the EC like to be on any of these. >> Yeah, let me double check this. I mean, I thought there were two pages to do this, but this was just set up recently. >> Yep. I guess next meeting then if you

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want to give us an update. >> Absolutely. September. Yeah, >> September. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> So, I have a quick question. Mhm. >> Do you want me to focus on just McCarter Pond and that amount of land mass and

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the pricing and what needs to be done? >> I mean, that's the only place I'm really aware issue unless there's something. >> Um, >> I know what should be, >> but it is six or seven applications. >> Okay. >> A season because after each cut you

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spray. >> So, it's cut. Yeah. But it's a small piece of land. So you probably I mean if I had to take a swag at it actually it just finished a sec 1,200 per acre. So 12 it's about $1,200 per acre.

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>> So for the for the season >> that's I mean I don't >> so if it's I mean it's small you know if we're just going to focus on Carter pond >> well and the quarter like the times it like we'd rather I think nothing at all. >> Yeah. And there would be nothing, you

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know, there's no toxicity to it. And >> but there is toxicity to the poop. >> Well, that's the thing. So, you're getting rid of the poop. You're actually you're you're cleaning up the toxicity, right? >> Um, so this is this is, you know, Yeah, you could you could extrapolate the cost. I like that.

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>> Um, >> can you think in a pilot project one area at a time? >> Well, I would. Yeah. I mean, it might be just to focus on recording bonio. >> Well, just say a word. >> Oh, yeah. >> Huh? Say it again. just to see how it works. But then you go to the next one to the next one.

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>> Is there a next place? Is there are there other places we're working? >> Again, not that I'm >> I mean I know the only time I stopped at Keys Cross is unfair than road. So >> yes, a lot. >> I stopped constantly. [laughter] >> I think I stopped more for geese than children and I probably shouldn't say that. >> I mean I can ask around and see but I've

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not heard anything just [clears throat] >> Yeah. Okay. So then I'm going to focus on regard and we'll do the we'll do from there. >> That'd be great. Sean, thank you. >> Do you want to start? I I forgot real quick before you guys go. I did see just one thing was related to um water

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quality. Um to remind everyone that there's going to be clean action meeting tomorrow evening um regarding water quality. >> Um it's at the M County Library in Shbury from 6:45 to 8. So kind of updates on I think the um on the river

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and whatnot. So if anyone is interested that we're talking about waterfall here that plug it. Um, now now you guys can know what they're updated. >> Um, so I talked to Chris today and he said that 21 Fair Haven Road is uh their

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stakeholders meeting is this week. So we may have more information come next meeting. Um, and then also we mentioned that every two weeks they are treating the uh affected areas of notweed. So we're trying to get a handle of that. And then there was extensive trees that

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came down uh in the Harding Bird Sanctuary. Uh so right now that's closed off temporarily until uh we can get a hold of that because it was a pretty bad storm. >> Yeah. >> The one thing that came out back my house or something.

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>> Hopefully you didn't get >> No, it went the other way. It actually went the other way, hit the ground, snapped and went the other way. It was the most wild thing I've ever seen. I was standing there when it happened, but it's ginormous. >> Right in the wetland. I have a couple of updates from Green Team and then also

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from Shade Tree. So, Green Team is having a solar demonstration on September 13th, the community solar at 4 p.m. They're working on the flyer that'll get out, but it will be um reserved because it is at someone's house. So, they figure and hopefully if people reserve it, they will actually

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come. Um so, shade tree is mature. >> Um okay. Is Steph here? No. Do you want to talk about Oh, she is. Okay. So, Steph, I'll have you talk after. >> Um, so the tree planting, so Shade Tree

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is doing is working on their tree tree planting plan. They're trying to plant 100 trees. So, they're working on that currently. So, what I was thinking is if anyone has any recommendations or anything that you want to weigh in on, send them to me and I can pass on that information. Um, I said the same thing

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to green team because there's a lot of conversation about the community center and I've put that on their radar that we can do something there. So hopefully we'll get some trees in the community um center. watering um the trees has come up a bunch of times in mult multiple the

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committees. And so Daryl Golden is working with now Carolyn Ferguson to identify area like newly planted trees in both natural area and around the burrow and really come up with a tight schedule for watering with DPW as well

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as recommendations for certain types of trees or you know some need more water than others. So he's working on that. If you guys have any recommendations or anything you want to share, can send that to me. And then >> related to that real quick. Um, >> yeah, >> because I know like a lot of folks have

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gotten like the like trees through the town get like a lot of times like there's like gators that go around the town and when we're done with them it's like they're just kind of sitting around. So I don't know. Is there a way to do the a collection for like gator collection for so they can be reused? >> Well, I know that we were looking for

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some for natural area. So >> that's the thing like that. >> That's a cool idea. I'd be more than happy. I'm not, you know, >> gator >> gator recycling to be using for any new trees that are planted. >> That would certainly help out with watering. >> I think that's a cool idea. Yeah,

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>> you're not gatekeeping your gator. [laughter] >> Use a brilliant idea. That's from >> shade tree. Uh the last thing is they are also working on the tree ordinance again on shade tree. So, if you had any

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thoughts, um, I did mention that I think it would be good for you guys to see that after they kind of come up with this, but if there's anything you want them to consider leading up to it, I'm happy to spread like share that information. But they are working on that now. >> And I think that's it for me. you given

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the long and complicated history of the tree ordinance and I was there at the birth um I've always had a bias towards native species that they should have a higher level of protection as opposed to invasives >> of course >> and they had what came back of course

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came through consultant committee wound up being what I considered a bit more vanity than it probably should have been it should have been more focused on the real environment and uh you know especially nonnative trees very minimal kind of interest in protecting but

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native species on especially larger native species I'm very think it's very important that we keep that yeah >> as a as a focus and again the the tree effort that we have in town for the vice for the 250th is great and it just shows you some of the massive trees that have managed to survive

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>> it really is nice that they pointed those out because you >> I see that like I wouldn't have noticed some of them before >> what was interesting um our last meeting we saw the numbers from pre-tree ordinance to last year once we had a

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whole full year under our belt and more than double the amount of trees have come down and a but a lot of them have been identified as um you know what is it >> sick or whatever you know like um >> hazard trees so we're trying to understand like how they're being

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identified as hazard trees and are there maybe steps that could be taken to before it gets taken down before it becomes a hazard tree like I No cat. >> You might want to take a look at pruning. >> Who is who is petitioning to remove?

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>> Yeah. Well, >> is it a builder? Is it a homeowner? I know we can't do different. However, >> uh my next the next door neighbor to me showed up. The builder, you know, he took everything he can get his hands on. >> And you know, that's just the way they roll. >> Yeah. Well, that was one thing that I

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was honestly big on was like how the builders just kind of have free reign to do anything they want and the numbers that are getting taken down are large. It looks to me like larger groups, but we're we're looking into that. We're really looking at the numbers to figure out what makes sense. But, um, what's

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interesting is Long Branch does actually differentiate. They do have separate for uh for developers and for public. So, I don't know. to get long ranch in trouble, but I will. >> But I mean, >> I just want you to know the history.

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When they initially proposed the ordinance, the builder association showed up and they cried their usual package of blues about the fact that they didn't want an ordinance. So, I turned to them and I said, "What do you want?" And those guys came back with

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nothing. So, I said, "You're done." Because I gave them a chance in our first round with this ordinance to give us some input and thoughts, and they chose not to. All they said was we don't want have an orbit. So I said take a hike because you don't have anything useful to say so why don't you just get

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out of here or that's their attitude. So we can ask them again but I would argue that >> they didn't take their chance because I was willing to listen. Yeah. They had nothing to offer. So >> that was their choice at the time. >> We're also talking about like environmental protections too. So like I know Little Silver has something like if

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the trees are on a slope or a sl like there are some protections there. So they're there's they're doing a good job of really looking at everything and but if you do have any feedback please send >> I think we had provided that as a kind of like a since I think they had it was little silver somewhere else I forget where had like some pretty good tree

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orders. I had provided little silver too. And so we're going to look at a couple other ones. >> We um >> sorry I uh a few months ago Kelly and I had met with the Rumson Environmental Commission and we had talked about the

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um looking into this tree canopy um as like a guiding principle here. And so, um, after that meeting, we kind of agreed that like a blanket like 40% canopy goal can be out a bit outdated or

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it just seems like a bit of a catch-all. And um, what I what we kind of like narrowed down on was figuring out what our current canopy percentage is and then tailoring it locally to fit Fair Haven. So kind of

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retroactively going into it so that way um we can maintain and grow the tree canopy over time. So I shared this I believe with Neil a few months ago um maybe we as we kind of go through the

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budget process this year we think about what the budget for the environmental commission can be applied to and if we can use that to conduct a canopy study to see where we are um present day. Um, and Michael, I don't know if you guys have this information on hand now, but

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>> um, if then then we can kind of work into what that looks like from Fair Haven specific. So, >> have a shade. >> I think that they did a doesn't shade tree have a >> they have their the tree.

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>> They have a heat map >> and they have a full inventory. >> No, they have the full inventory. So wouldn't wouldn't we be oh public trees? So I guess >> probably. >> So it's not private. So it's that's only for the that's only for burrow property. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So but then it would like it would

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influence the pre-relacing standard. So if you replace one mature tree with one small like a sapling, it's not an equal replacement. So um that type of thing where that where the canopy becomes the motivation to either keep a tree or save

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a tree or replant a tree. it takes off, you know, it kind of takes it it has more of a north star as opposed to like, yeah, you could take that tree down. Yeah, you could put a sapling down, but those aren't the same. They're not offering the same amount of coverage. It's not the same amount of canopy at the end of the day. So, I think

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establishing some sort of percentage that we would work into and Rumson doesn't have one either. We had talked about West Orange having one or a solid one, but those are those that it's not an applicable town to us. So maybe if we could work close closer with the Rumson

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EC and figuring out what they're doing, it could seem a little more I mean you guys like that that property on Tennis Court Lane is going to have to take down 90 or so trees. So they're they're in a panic about it as well. They've got a lot of large matured trees in Remson. So they're trying to figure out themselves

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what this looks like for them. So I don't think it would be a bad idea to work hand with them. and then Jesse and and group like we could see if what the cost of a study would would be and if that's something that we could commit our EC budget towards for the year. I know we kind of scrambled towards it a

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little bit when the year ends but >> this sounds like a actually sounds like a GIS type effort of kind of doing a study. I mean maybe do maybe a general with like a a coverage but we can we can look into it and see what other towns have done. And I also had questions

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about the conditional CO. I mean, I had three houses go up on a block that got conditional CO for trees to be planted and the trees never got planted. >> I don't feel like giving my neighbors a hard time, but like >> Well, the builder exiting, right? >> What? >> Builder shouldn't be exiting.

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>> Yeah. The builder exited the house train changed hands. I know they got a conditional CO because they asked me to help them bid price out the trees and it was not cheap. So they probably decided against it and do we not go back and pull their sego it when it's conditional

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on planting of trees. >> So that I mean >> that's a good >> it it annoyed me only because I don't really love my neighbor. >> Otherwise I would have never brought it up to this meeting. Um but uh you know I would never tell any neighbor that I love. >> You're on record

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[laughter] but yeah you know he's never put up a tree. Well, and I think that that was that was that kind of came up of like who is enforcing it? Like not who we know who, but is it getting enforced, but also like trees are dying too after a year. And kind of what came out of our last meeting was

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like >> the the coverage the canopy we're losing is never going to be with this current ordinance is never going to be regenerated. It's just not like it's just there's no way to do that. Um, and then the question they had was, is there a way to put some of the trees that

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because they have their, you know, their tree plant, could they plant them on some of the private property to maybe make because what happens is >> we're losing it on private property every time. So, it does affect their neighbors. It there's But it is Yeah. Like there's >> a proactive program to plant in the

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public rights away. >> Well, that's part of Yes. the tree planting. I don't remember the town ever asking like on my street. Hey, fit in the put in a tree. You know, like nobody showed up. Nobody showed up and said, "Hey, we'd like to plant a street. >> They actually the shade tree did that a little bit.

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>> Can you say I think we go if you ask they might do." But I don't know if I think the shade is considering doing that now. There were a lot of complaints like from the people when they did this 20 years ago. Now they call Burough Hall every day saying, "Can you can you take down my tree at

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>> No, no, no. Oh, I didn't hear that history. So now >> that's funny. >> I'm just saying it's made available. Hey, you know, streets are available. If they ask, they haven't been given money. You know, there's plenty of streets in town that don't have much in the

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rightway. Yeah, >> certainly we're not fully treated out in terms of the rightway. Um it's a way to get more coverage out there, but >> yeah, definitely shade trees in the midst of talking about this. >> Yes. And going back to what Anna was saying about the canopy research,

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perhaps you reach out to say shade tree and you could go in on it together. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Could that actually could that money come out of the shade tree fund? >> The trust >> trust. >> I would think anything related to

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>> Yeah. I would think that that would be because there's a there's some >> But if it's a public study for the entire burough also come out of operating. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But that segregated it's available. Why not use it? First of all, >> could you put that

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to Chris? That's okay. >> I don't like Okay, you're right. Budget for >> it's available. >> Yeah, for Okay, >> going back to the geese thing, do we

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know what the algae spend is? >> Do we have that number somewhere? the algae control spin that we had for the water. >> I do not have that off hand, but I could >> we could refine it. Yeah, that would help in being able to do a breakdown as to how much we could take off the algae

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spend by getting rid of the waste. >> You know, benefit. That's the point. So, if we're only paying 1,200 a season for a full acre, Marter Pond isn't even a full acre. >> If they could cut the algae spend by >> X amount. >> Yeah. And then they use those as it's

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its private properties that are on the pond as opposed to like actual like public property or distance being a public the pond's public being treated but the sur but most of the properties surrounding the pond are private. So they would all >> they have a key do they have the keys

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problem the geese problem mostly on the park side? >> It's all No, it's definitely all completely surrounding. >> So yeah, if we I mean if we offer to them that we'll do it for them, you know, and we give them the the education. There's an issue with that >> cuz I asked about something else. >> Yeah, cuz there was something else that

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was like similar idea. >> But it's something that if we could again give more information on that maybe on the farm would want to do that themselves. >> I'm sure they don't want property painted ones either. >> Yeah. >> I mean that's like I pay $40 to get my dogs picked up. You would want their

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keys. >> You pay for someone to do that. >> I do once a month once a week. >> My job multiple times. >> Twice a week. Um but uh yeah. So the idea is to cut down on the algae spend or even so you're saying that the town couldn't pay to have that treated

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>> because it's private property. I think so because I don't remember the other thing I just asked this question recently about some other thing that we talked about and I I can ask but I I'm pretty sure the answer is >> the other challenge with the question with the algae then it's it's not just from the fecal matter so there is

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>> it could come up with some sort of swag >> because I know the challenge >> it's like three the approach that they take is like threep prong so part of it is like it blocks out the light so that the underneath doesn't grow. So,

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>> but yeah, I mean, we'll look into it. >> We can kind of come up with a honestly like 12 months. >> Again, it doesn't The problem is even if we did it, we'd have to get the other the neighbors to do it though because it kind of defeats the purpose, >> right? We could just

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>> public property and see if it works >> and if and then if we see them all migrating over to the Friday, then we created a case problem for you. You want to get in on this, you know? [laughter] No traffic. [clears throat] >> Just move the news to the other places.

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Yeah. >> All right. We have before moving on to public comment. Does any last minute? Anyone have anything? Just any other general updates or >> thought about storm water management and then we should probably come over to the new construction next to my house and take a look at it to think about it

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because they didn't want to put two sets of drywalls in. So they then pitched the property towards the street and dry towards the front. Yeah. And >> so now we have a drainage ditch on either side of the house >> and it's about four foot two three and a half feet below two feet three feet below my property line. So I have

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erosion potential. Luckily I'm high so I dumped the water into their yard. But the fact is that this was a solution that the builder came up with obviously based on our ordinances and standards of practice and it doesn't look too good. The other thing is I think we really should have a discussion about gravel

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and permeable solutions like those echol blocks and stuff like that because I don't think they're favored in our zoning and on our building ordinances right now. I'm going to tell you I have a lot of ground and and >> I do nothing to it other than run a a hoe through it once in a while and kill the weeds.

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>> I don't have to mow it. I I don't water it. It really is a real good solution because it receives the water and just takes it in and I don't have to do any chemical treatments or anything to it. And I think that we don't encourage it enough in our zoning. I mean, as a matter of fact, if you made your guard

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your yard all gravel, it probably have a lower environmental impact than everybody who's watering their lawn. >> Definitely. >> No. No. But that's not allowed in our zoning ordinance right now. What I just proposed is against the rules. >> They consider it not permeable coverage.

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>> So only grass then or like >> it's it's it's a gap because I understand parking manage parking to some degree. But I also tell you that again we discourage gravel when I think I've just been doing it for multiple years now and I realize like the only thing I have I have one of those

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horizontal hose that go through the gravel churn out any weeds that are there it the rest of the lawn I have to mow the rest of the lawn has to be treated you know people are watering it next door to me the new house they're watering every week with the spread system >> it's again it's discouraging to come see

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your house because one of the things with the storm water ordinance that I was really trying to avoid was like what happened with me. But part of it was that it's all directed into like two corners and that was something that I is not like that's not >> no discharge. I mean again the echo

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blocks where you have the lattice blocks and you put them in. >> I mean again that thing more like you wouldn't believe. I mean my my my downspouts discharge into that and very little. >> What is it? >> Is that considered >> it's those blocks that hex you know the blocks with the open surface and yeah

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used all over in different parks and stuff. >> Is that considered a problem? I think that's I think that's a no no too. >> Really? >> Yeah. I think I think again I don't think we're really on top of them as much as we should. >> I think there are a lot of more natural ways that we could be >> because because again they drive. Yeah.

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They installed trials next door. But again if you just this one discharge >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know and the other thing is to slow as much as possible getting into >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> And and I'm going to make a pitch for dirty curbs because everybody kills all the weeds in their curbs like along the

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street line. That's probably good for the environment. >> You know what I'm saying though? Cuz all those weeds are stopping stuff. >> It's the same thing about a pond. You have that vegetation barrier before you get to the pond to filter it before getting into it. So, it's the same type of idea. >> The these are minimal things. They don't

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require a lot of infrastructure. I mean, I think our zoning ordinance is still fascinated with art solutions. >> Yes. >> Dry wells. >> And like, you know, stuff like that. And I really think that lawn discharge is totally silly, but it it actually works pretty darn well, especially

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>> John. There were >> there were a few guys a few people on the planning board, John, that were talking about this and um and the disconnect between what's pragmatic to have and what we currently have. So,

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when I was on it, I know that this was a pretty hot discussion. So, um >> I mean I can check the minutes to see if they've talked about it at all, but it's definitely top of mind as the um master plan's being redone from the last I heard.

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>> Yeah, it's a good time to talk about it. And I'm just saying it's forced me to think about it just being on the commission and just, you know, >> lawns are are problematic in terms of the maintenance, right? And we have to and I my campus is 200 acres and I'm always telling my president of the

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college like we got to get rid of so many lawns and have some meadows and you know they're endlessly doing stuff. My gravel sits there and drinks water and doesn't really require much other than me to go through and either use a torch.

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>> Yeah, I've seen that. You know, this fire has a blow touching gravel, you know. I mean, it really is [laughter] that's really low E kind of impacts. >> All that goes into the water story. So, I think that's kind of good to be into that. >> Well, thanks for that.

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>> Oh, just before we go, I add one more item here. >> Oh, yeah. Before public comment, but this is from the 65 review of our sewer system just to know how far we've come. This is the review of Sebrite. Oh, by the way, si four of the six people did not expect to be customers of the Darby.

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>> Redbank wasn't going to be in. Rumson said they were going to take care of themselves. Sebrite was going to take care of itself and eaten going to take care of themselves. And they're all six of them. All four of the customers that >> wild. This is Sebrite ready for this 1965. Uh there's a sand beach known as

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Dock Street. There was a large number of small summer cottages built in close proximity to each other and to the river. The cottages bordered the water have cesspools of wooden construction which are obviously not watertight. During periods of high tides, the water rises above the tops of these cespools and ebing tide very likely draws the

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liquid waste through the sand and into the river. This entire area can be considered a potential sort of solution. That's just because they have an little silver. That's what it was like in 1961, >> right? >> Wooden wood wooden ses. Wow.

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This shark to the roof. The stripers taste better than the louses. >> Right. So, thank you. Yeah. Public comments. So, we welcome comments, suggestions, and inquiries. You've got three minutes, but we never adhere to it anyway. So, I think Stephanie probably

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wants to have a few words to say. She's on. >> Hi. I can't Were Hi, it's Stephanie. Were you saying my name? >> Yes. >> I I assume you had the moment. Um, Michael, did did you want me to mention

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that uh the Brazilians grant >> Mike? You can speak better to it. >> Okay. Um, well, I just at the green team prior to this meeting, I was telling Michael that I came across um a grant.

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It's through the NJ DP. It's called a New Jersey resilience. There it's a long title. um caveat, it was they just the reason why I came across it is because they just extended the deadline to July 21st, which is

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very soon. Um but I just mentioned it to Michael. I was just wondering if this was something that maybe had come across um Chris York's desk. It's a grant that is um meant to I'm just trying to pull

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it up. promote um collaborative regional planning efforts to support resilience. And so basically, in order to apply for this grant, you need to apply with at least I think it's two

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neighboring towns. Um you also need to have a community-based organization involved. It's pretty complex. I I I and again this is something for Chris to look at and see if it's even worth reading through, but

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um just knowing that we've been struggling with water quality um on the river, you know, and and storm water is a big part of that and in light of the recent storms and all the storm water that's ending up in the river. Um, you know, I was just wondering if there's an

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opportunity for us to collaborate with Redbank and Rumson on some kind of project or plan. You know, it's it's pretty open-ended on what you can do as far as um, you know, coming up with a plan versus an actual project. Um, and

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they also there's a primary grant recipient. Um and then the DP actually um assigns a consulting group to your

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project. And if again, if I'm understanding correctly, the consulting group would be the one that actually, you know, they're the scientists or the people, you know, who whoever is actually helping to implement this plan. So anyway, I just I brought it to Michael's attention because I didn't know if this is something that the

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burrow had seen um you know given the issues that we've been having. Um I think I don't know if Michael mentioned to you all you know at when we were at when the green team was at um uh EcoEST we talked about ribbed muscles

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and we talked about a project that they had done in the I think it was in the Hudson River with these ribbed muscle rafts. But anyway, basically showing that ribbed muscles are as good uh filter filter feeders as oysters, but because they're not edible, um they're a

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more practical potential, you know, uh solution in these brackish kind of waters. And is that something that maybe Fair Haven um would want to look at? We had some input from folks on the council in Rumson that stopped by that were

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interested. So, um, you know, just wanted to throw that out there. It's a pretty tight deadline. It's a big grant. I think it's like two to $300,000. So, I don't know if it's feasible, but I just wanted to make sure it was on everybody's radar just in case.

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>> Not enough time really to pull something together. >> It's also because of like collaborating with the other >> think about red, they need wetlands. I know we don't fair have a ton of like vegetated like little mark wetlands along the waterfront. So that's kind of the tough one too,

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>> right? That would actually build a spot of living shoreline. Um it's kind of you know >> we get to that. >> I mean the wetlands would have to be created. Um but again there is you know there is a precedent and >> you do have them in Fourth Creek the

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southern section of the >> that's actually that's one location that that has it but with the rest of them but there's really we don't really have any thing maybe two sprites here and there but yeah that was be incorporated >> as part of living shoreline grant I mean

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like on for 21 Fair Haven Road like that's probably the only opportunity to really create any sort of wetlands Um, but yeah, and I feel with this, it's like there's two weeks to get a couple towns together and try to get a plan. It's kind of >> Yeah, >> unfortunately. I think money is kind of tough.

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>> I I don't know if they do this specific grant every year. Um, I know they've done it in the past. I don't know if it's an annual thing, but, you know, if it doesn't, again, because of the the timeline, just something to put on our radar to

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look for for next year. um you know because again I I don't know and I know the EC but certainly the green team because we're on the ground a lot and we're talking to towns and you know we definitely all Red Bank and Rumson we all share you know

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the same concerns when it comes to water quality and so like I said it doesn't have to be necessarily a project um it could be a study you know that you do with a latoral society or with clean ocean act you know some way that collecting data in addition to what

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they're already doing or I don't know, not a scientist. So, um I just wanted to, you know, put it on everyone's radar and maybe this is something to look at for next year if it's an annual recurring grant. >> Definitely. >> Or have somebody reach out to whoever's the contact on that grant to see if it's

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something that is going to be offered next year. We can maybe even think about planning for it. >> Yep. Okay. All right. Thank you. >> All right. Anyone else have any last minute thoughts, comments?

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No. Then uh I wanted to make a motion for adjournment then. >> All right. >> And we don't have a meeting next month. So everyone enjoy the rest of your summer and September. >> My Wednesdays are going to be free on

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fresh. Tonight.