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So, yes, >> you got that. We'll put the slides up and then you can present from there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. Great. Welcome everybody um to our June meeting of the Fair Haven Environmental Commission. This is a I

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call this meeting to order. This is a regular meeting of the environmental commission of the burough fair haven. In accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings act, public meetings may be held in person or by means of communication equipment to include streaming services, other online meeting platforms. The

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meeting is being held in person and through the zoom meeting platform being broadcast from Burough Hall, 748 River Road, Fair Haven, New Jersey. Public participation for this meeting on June 10th, 2026 is available by calling phone number or through Zoom. Members of the

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public will be on mute until it is time for questions, comments, which will be announced. At that time, the public has the opportunity to question comment by phone or through Zoom by the raise hand button and will be called on at the appropriate time. Notice on this meeting was sent by

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the Aspberry Park Press, the Two River Times, and the Star Ledger um on January 30, 2026, posted on the B website, the bulletin board and the municipal building and has remained continuously posted as required under the statute. With adequate notice having been given, the environment commission secretary is

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directed to include the statement in the minutes of the meeting. Please stand for the flag to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Anna here. William >> present. Susan Gloves present. Jesse Murray here. John Pelettes >> present. Gary Patterson

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>> here. >> John Peters here. >> Also present. Councilwoman Dina, Emi and Burough Secretary Larson. You have a great game today. >> I just said that. I was like >> Okay. Uh everyone had a chance to look

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at the May 13, 2026 meeting minutes. Can I um a motion to approve this? >> Okay. Second. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Um so we are going to begin uh with a presentation from carbon roots. We have

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Shabali Si here. Thank you so much Shioali for coming. We are excited to hear about your program. >> Yeah. Okay. So just to start is there a way to like decide? No, you could if you want to give me a thumbs up or something.

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>> Okay. So, you're probably um confused by the title, but this was a presentation I originally made for a program that I'm part of. It's funded by Clean Ocean Action, which is an organization in the area. Um it's called SEAL. It's like for student leaders. So,

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okay. So, um like I said, I did this for a program, so it's a little out of date. I'm actually a senior at HTC now. Um, I'm attending Duke in the fall and I'm from And the reason I got into all this environmental stuff is because my sophomore year I was required to do a

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research project. So, I did a lot of research related to like plastic and how that's affecting like our garden and the the plants in our garden. And although I didn't really find many results, I was like really interested in working with plants some more. So, that's when I wanted to start my nonprofit. That was

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like what kind of sparked it. And then the seal thing is just what I was explaining before. It was a program that kind of helped me launch my nonprofit, which I'll explain to the next slide. Okay. So, the reason I started Carbon Roots is because I started noticing that in my town specifically, there was a lot

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of like urban development. And I like to think that Hondo is like a pretty green town, but they were like getting rid of a lot of the green area and like selling houses and like infrastructure whatsoever. And it was like kind of interesting to see that. So, I wanted to bring back more green space to my town

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because obviously as we know like global warming just keeps on getting worse and the less green space that we have the worse it's going to get. So, I thought like as a person like I could do the best I could to bring native plants back to my town, maybe expand that and then that would bring green space back. It

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would be good for the community but also good for the environment. >> Thirsty. >> Okay. So, how I started was first I wanted to research plants for specifically a carbon safe garden. So, essentially what that is is I wanted to plant things that have the most

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potential to absorb carbon. So, larger plants, plants that are native to the area, so they're going to grow to the optimal growth. And then I also wanted to plant plants that have like deeper root systems because they're going to store more carbon in the soil. So, I researched those and then I compiled

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like a short list and I emailed it to some aggroforestry professors like that I could find online just to verify that like my research was like right. And then after I was done with that research, I actually started to like build these gardens. So, my first step in that would be to come to an environmental commission like you guys

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and basically be like, "Hey, this is my idea. Are you like open to it? Do you have any like land in the town that you're willing to like share with me so I can plant stuff?" If that didn't work, then I would go to local companies and ask them if there was a way I could work with them to plant gardens. And most of the time, I would find one way or

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another to build that garden. So, right now, I think I have four that are like actually still alive. And then the next one, the next bullet is educating the public. So, that was another pillar of my nonprofit that was very important to me because I feel like you can do as much as you want, but if you don't

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actually like teach people what you're doing, it's not going to have the impact that you intended. So whether I was involving volunteers in my gardening events or going to like Earth Day fairs and talking about it, even if it's just to a few people um or I was writing a

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blog on my website, that was my way of educating the public about sustainable gardening and what carbon state gardens are because you can always start your own. Like this was my initiative, but I wanted to help people start their own gardens as well. So education was definitely an important part for me.

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Okay. So, one specific example, as part of SEAL, one of the things we were supposed to do is go to an elementary school and present to like younger children. So, I went to my local middle school, Indian Hill, and I presented to fourth graders. So, obviously, these fourth graders are not going to know everything about global warming. So, I

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tried to break it down to them in the simplest way. And then I explained the science behind my nonprofit. So, why am I doing this? Why am I bringing these plants back to the environment? Why are native plants so important? And I was actually shocked by the amount of young kids that actually knew what I was talking about. They were like, "Oh, like

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is what you're doing like offsetting the carbon emissions that planes are giving right now?" And I'm like, "Wow, like I'm surprised you know what that is." Like, and also, I just wanted to go and present to them because I feel like little kids often think like, "Oh, I'm like little, I can't do anything." Or, "I'm a kid. I'm a high schooler. Like,

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nobody's going to listen to me." But it's like pretty inaccurate because I was very surprised with the amount of adults who respected me for coming out and actually presenting my idea and over time I became more like relaxed and now I'm just talking and having a conversation rather than like formally

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presenting. So yeah, it was nice to present to those kids and kind of serve as an example that you have a passion then you should pursue it. Okay. So reflection. This is a reflection on seal but I'll talk more about my personal affection. So, as I said, I'm going off to college now, but

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this was definitely an amazing experience. Like, founding my nonprofit, running it. I learned more about leadership skills, and I met so many amazing people in the environmental field. The amount of connections I made. Um, the reason I'm actually here today is because I volunteered with Clean Ocean Action, and one of my like fellow

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volunteers, her name is Brooke. She recommended me to the Fair Haven Commission to present. And just people like that who are ready to help me or give me advice or like, hey, I'll volunteer. Hey, I'll reach out to this commission for you so you can go present your proposal. People like that is what

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like strives help me strive to keep going. And I have bold plans to keep this nonprofit going when I go to college. I have some people who are ready to take it over and we're hoping to start more gardens maybe even in Fair Haven. But yeah, that's pretty much my presentation if anyone has any

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questions. >> Wow, thank you so much. I mean that was uh was >> I'm very impressed. Not to be too formal. >> No, it was great. >> What did you major right? >> So I'm thinking economics and now you're my girl. I'm an economist. So you're

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right. If you want to change the world, right? >> So Brooke introduced me to you via email and um we have a few small pocket areas in town that we've been planting natives in. >> Oh, that's amazing. >> Yeah. So, in the River Road corridor,

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there's about four four of them now at this point. Um, and Brooke was aware of it and she said, "This sounds exactly like carbon roots." And it's been fascinating to do the same. We focus on pollinators and natives um in that corridor as well. But I think what this could do is there are plenty of spaces

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that are always looking for um any sort of, you know, environmental impact and the fire department has talked about it in in the past. So, this kind of opens you up to a few different opportunities in town. Yeah, it's good. Especially if it's in an area that's like a bit more urban, like in a form of a parking lot

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or something like to add some patch of green space. And we've done a lot of fundraising over the years. So like we when we make a garden, we buy all the plants and we like get all the volunteers. It's just like if it's land that belongs to the town. Like the only thing is like we can't come back to

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maintain it all the time because it's like only a couple people. For a long time it was pretty much just me giving all of it. So that's the only thing. But like yeah, I would be happy to do that. That's like a really good idea, >> right? >> Yeah, that's awesome. >> Awesome. >> And we'll share that. We can circulate

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this. >> Yeah. Do you um I assume is there a website? >> Yes, there is. >> Okay, great. Because I mean I could just be there so many places, right? >> Yeah. I think the hardest part is always

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>> starting them. You could also do a demonstration at one of the garden plots >> at the fields. You know what I mean? do a demonstration garden. >> Sure. >> As a way to show >> roots. Yeah. And learn more about it. >> Yeah. >> A way to show it off. Everybody does actively garden.

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>> Yeah. That's awesome. >> That was really impressive. Best of luck and do we hope that we can >> She's right field. She's good. We have, by the way, we have 100% deployment out of my PhD program. 100%. Not City University, but we have 100%. Other PhDs

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don't. And I'm just a very good >> Yeah, I'm very excited. I think I wanted a good balance of like something I'm passionate in but also something that's like stable. So that's why I'm doing economics. That's >> good. >> Now, how much does um a typical garden like this a startup for that? Like how

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much does it cost? >> Yeah. Okay. So, it really depends on like what the size of the plot is that we're building in. Um native plants are like pretty expensive unless you're like going to um like a plant exchange or you're buying like seeds. Those are a little bit cheaper. But most of the time

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like all the seeds are not going to survive. So what I would usually do is have five and plant plugs and that's like the cost it's been a while since I built a garden. But like for a smaller one I'm guessing it' be around like 250 because like I did a small garden like a while ago. Um that's like not including

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maintenance. So maintenance is essentially just like watering it and then like we would come back to like weed it every so now and then so the plants don't die. >> Um but yeah, that's like it it really depends on how large the pot is. you're talking about like small interspersed spaces, it's really it won't be that

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expensive. And also like our nonprofit like resolve the cost we fundraised for like the past couple years. So >> cool. >> Great. We'll be in touch. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Thank you. Any other questions? >> Does anybody have questions? >> No, but thank you so much.

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>> Sorry it was so quick. We're >> keeping high school graduate school. Of course, thank you so much. Take care. Best of luck. >> That's a good field. If you're interested in

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>> she too can end up in a basement in the burrow hall someday. >> She spoke very well. >> Yeah, that was great. Absolutely. >> Thank you. Thanks for bringing upstairs. >> Great. Um, good stuff. >> Okay, so moving on to current business.

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Um, bare human environmental efforts discussion and followup. Um, we that's vague. What is that? >> Was that all? Is that the conversation we had a few months ago? >> Yeah, it's a conversation we had and I

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believe that we um still have not >> yet to follow up. >> Did anyone even send any feedback yet? >> Well, we were going to have a meeting but then we didn't have the meeting. Is that what you're talking about? Like >> Yeah. Okay. So if do you is it okay? >> You can.

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>> So um >> for now at a minimum anything that you want done let me know or let you know cop go directly to Chris if there's something you're finding that is not you feel like isn't being done or needs to be have attention to Chris because

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ultimately Chris will be the one who directs DBW. So, if if this is just the conversation about how do we make sure that we're efficient and getting things done, then for now, we would like to have everything go through credits. And just copy me on it, just so we know. But

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he will direct um he will direct the DPW as far as that's kind of but we I mean you kind of chose not to have the meeting. I'm just in fair, right? We didn't want to have the meeting. I just say yes there was um

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>> cuz we were getting back we we were received back when we asked to have a meeting received back with 12 different bullet point specific questions on >> the nature of the meeting and what and everything else and I just we thought maybe postpone it hold off on that for a

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little bit. >> Sorry I missed this. What was this document? Um so we we just um asked to have a meeting um to discuss who we and who did you ask >> that was uh Michael asked uh Chris.

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>> So after our last meeting we had spoken and so I sent an email saying we requesting a meeting um to follow up on the round table and what was discussed there. We were sent back a list of questions um about what the direction of the meeting was a little you know to

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understand that and then that's kind of where we fell off >> and right um it was very specific highdetailed man you know questions to answer prior to this meeting and uh seemed a little yeah the intent of of

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the coordination between the environmental commission and public works department >> so I think what's happening though is that where I think some of the disconnect is that the impression and I had that impression too. So in fairness was that

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the environmental commission is asking to essentially be the liaison for shade tree and EC or and um green team. >> That's correct. >> Okay. And then kind of direct DPW. >> That's incorrect.

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>> Right. I would say we are not the ones that direct them. We are the ones that compile all of the various committees that sit within the environmental ecosystem which are multiple at this point. We

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compile the information. We help DPW prioritize that. We give the information. There's nowhere for them to collate any to have any of that information together. I mean there is in fairness because that he does have a like when things come in when their

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requests come in from anyone they're given to Chris or they're given to Nick and they do keep track of it they have you know the the whole debt what is it the um violytics >> so there there is a system in place where everything is being compiled and

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tracked. Um I think where the disconnect is what role the EC plays in it. Now a piece of this is the sha tree commission. Now the shade tree commission is also autonomous. So I don't know that they left feeling like

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because they don't want to give up their autonomy like they are also making their own decisions. So then you're having two groups that are separate. Now east the green team falls under you. So for sure like that could be easy and the natural area seem pretty open to it. But I think

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ultimately the goal is to make sure that we're getting everything done that we feel like needs to get done. And I think your your efforts are to make it so things aren't doubling up. So everyone's not doing all these different efforts in a whole. And my role as the liaison is

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kind of that conduit is to make sure that you know we just left the green team meeting. So now I'm going to tell you what they're doing. I I'm aware of what projects they're doing or what they're working on. I'm aware of what you guys are working on. I'll go to the natural area. So I think that if that's

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the goal to make sure we're not overlapping then it's it's liaison and I'm getting clear on this too. So it's >> I think that the issue has been in in my historical context in sitting on the EC is I mean you're here now who's next? Who did we have before? It takes 6

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months for them to ramp. There's no >> leaison usually. >> Yeah. And there's no that's a problem. I mean that that >> problem for DC but that's at the expense of the maintenance of the town and our position was we are the one consistency

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here. this group of people in this monthly meeting mandated by the state is the consistency. So taking away council's involvement in it would actually probably make things a little more consistent. It it the way that I saw it and that was the way that we

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presented it was I mean you guys are here that's fantastic. You are in an ideal form going back to the governing governing body and presenting on these things. That's not always been the case. So >> but you guys aren't consistent either though. I mean, you're still a group that isn't always the same every year

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either. So, I understand the being consistent, but >> I mean, I think 10 years longer than a a two-year term, one year term, >> but it's more about just getting stuff done right now, right? And making sure that the projects or looking ahead. So, as long as the projects are getting done like what I think that I think where the

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disconnect is like what's not getting done and that's where like even at the natural area, I'm like, "Guys, tell me what's not getting done." And they gave a whole entire list the beginning of the year to Nick. He he wrote back and said this is already done. We're getting this done. This is how it's all point is that

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there's no transparency to any of those things that the natural area is coming to us coming. I mean I've spoken to transparency and I speak to Caroline daily and it's like they don't know what is happening and when. So, what I've asked for is a report by like I asked

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for a quarterly report from Nick to say all the projects that they've they've been asked for and to give it to them cuz they there is trans like in fairness he did send an email back and said these are all getting done and I think where the miscon disconnect is that then he

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didn't say they've been done. So if if we can just get those reports to people then >> I I there but when we had suggested some sort of some sort of tracking system and it was like this lives on a website where people in the whole town have the

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ability to see what is happening in the in the name of transparency that was like shut down and it's like but these are the things I think that I know that would help us. I know that would help all of these other groups that exist but think of how much the DPW does. I'm just saying like

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think of the little things that they do in a million things that they do in a day. So you want to have on a website every single thing that DPW is doing so that they everyone can see what they're doing. >> Yeah. I think I think it >> see I think that's unrealistic >> but it's been done.

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>> Well I don't think it's like a nitpicky task but I think projects like what it's been because like I >> I think there's there's also a lack of transparency among the group. So I don't know >> what fair hid the natural area is asking for. I don't know what the shade tree is asking for. I got upset that all the new

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trees on fair haven road are were planted on the terries. all the ones by the you know and I would have loved to have us kind of put some playback on that >> and and I heard you know so I didn't know who gave that directive >> and I didn't know that DPW was putting

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you know shoreline >> seedling seeds on there even though myself and um you know was on the Marter Pond committee meeting for the prior year and a half >> and I agree with that until it's after

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it's done And all that grass there in Marta Pond, we've talked about for months, >> right? We've talked about putting in rain gardens at Marta Pond because that is a storm water hotspot flood issue right there. Everything happens. And now we sit here and we're like, >> I wish I knew. I wish I knew or I wish I

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had >> and I agree. I mean, as a castle person, I don't know everything either, you know, like. So, so then I asked more or if we could be privy to what >> the projects DPD, you know, on public spaces, what projects and what directives are going on in public spaces, open spaces because that's under

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our jurisdiction supposed to be >> all of them. And I have not been seeing anything until it's very last minute decisions have already made and >> yeah, we've not had any input on any of we've not been able to review anything. So, if we can find a way that we get

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reports on what's ahead and what's been done, would that help this? >> Yes. Yeah. And I think just like, you know, what's up in the what's on the docket? What what changed to you guys? >> Like every day they fix this fence and they fix that. I just want to know what

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projects are kind of crossing off this month. And I think also so calendar, right? I mean, they sprayed for the bees. We didn't know that. It wasn't on the calendar that come May they're spraying for bees in MAR. So I think also just kinds have been vocally against that like had

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that come in front of us. >> So guys the bees what? So I brought this up with the green team. The bees is the mayor. I'm not try but like that is what he wants. I have said no. I don't agree with it. I didn't know it was happening. None of us knew. It was his decision his

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decision alone to get it done. There was no point. There was no time to and I a year ago said I don't agree with this. Why are we doing this? Who told you to do it? What like where did this directive come from? Did the school ask you to do it?

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>> No. So some of this is not this is not necessarily like you're out of the loop >> some of the decisions >> and but that's a whole another topic you know like that's so >> if for now a lot is going to change

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>> it will but for now >> how do we and I think we should maybe reook at making a meeting and maybe I could email like a you know kind of a blank slate. Maybe we could all come

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together, just take the temperature down and try to hear each other. >> Do you feel like we're not hearing each other right now? >> The temperature. >> I think we just need to take the temperature down and work together. We all want the same things. >> We do. >> I think you need to get a reporting. I

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think >> that's what I think in a report back at least every month. Even if even if there are priorities that that override other priorities in the name of transparency, it will make the people who are being

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overridden feel better knowing that their project that they care about and they volunteer for is being something is is taking up more of DPW's time. That is all we're asking. It's like the more information that we have, the better if it >> No, I'm I'm not saying that you guys

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>> and we're working on that transparency. It's just been an uphill battle. >> It has. >> So with the I think the reports >> if we can get the reports I've already asked for that and that's >> in in the works. The second thing that is happening that Nick is working on

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he's been asked to compile report of the work the workload and what they're working where they're spending their time and I think that will give a lot more clarity. >> I think that yeah so that is where volunteers could be maybe help and I am

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also personally advocating for another DPW full-time staff. >> Yeah. I think that would help. So, you know, I think one of the things was too it's like we know you guys are totally swamped, but maybe not all parks have to be mowed every two weeks, right? >> And I didn't bring that up specifically, too.

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>> And what and what's the justification for that? >> But we and Kelly and I talked about it and what I >> did I I forget actually. Did I talk to you about this? I think I did quickly. So I talked to Chris about that like what are some recommendations because I said specifically the not mowing as many

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parks and he said have each group give the any recommendations. So if you as a group want to create >> recommendations from a Carter Park that would also alleviate the bee situation. >> Yeah. >> Yes.

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>> You know if you mow it into oblivion it's dirt which probably you know wood chips moisture not mowing. Yeah, >> that those certain areas. No, the question is do we have any active and outstanding quests and then we can ask for an update. That's that's one way to

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manage it to start the right and every time we put something in we can add it to the list >> and say okay what projects are outstanding and we all >> and I think I'd really like to know from everyone and from all the groups like what isn't getting done and that's what I keep saying to like natural what isn't getting done that you feel like needs to

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be getting done um needs to get done or hasn't you know isn't getting enough attention. That's that's a hard question to answer without a burndown list >> because everyone is giving >> I see I see what you're saying. So like we've got multiple groups asking

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question multiple groups with requests. it. It's kind of hard to have a B, you know, to know what the burndown list is when we're not communicating with those multiple groups, which was to the point as to why we were trying to consolidate, not to take over, but could consolidate

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as a coalition of groups so that you could create a burndown list and you could see what's getting done and then we could go, well, look at that. We're at 83%. Um and and you know to your point I I I run it for the VA and we

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have to give one to the to Congress every freaking week. >> Yeah. >> So >> I can ask for a month. I mean monthly like if that does I'm not I don't think weekly is a is you know we're under a weird weird weird uh government these

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days but um you know quarterly it doesn't matter as long as >> I actually I forgot for it before this meeting. So I would have it I did I forgot that I did leave it at before this meeting >> and from there get the input and then they can probably figure out from there

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how maybe we need to see some see something >> and the and the the use of the EC was just so that everybody knew that on this date they can come to us and say you know something's not getting done we're stuck we need whatever and we can be that you will be here you will be here like all of us are here it's not to be

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like great we'll go immediately march to DPW and say you need to fix this it's just So everybody knows that there's a consistent presence where they can bring their >> well the consistent presence is Chris. I mean they can there is a person that is the one who ultimately directs. So actually by having the EC you're almost

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taking an extra step like just send it to Chris. He's the one who's going to tell them and we really can't have >> and that's fine >> going directly to DPW. Like it still has to go to Chris. Chris needs to know what's happening. >> Right. and which is great but I think it's also a great way though for us to

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know that like that's going so we collaborate because we're on the scene if I knew you know like >> maybe our priorities have changed >> mart has always been a thing on us and that even that you know area too but it would have been nice to kind of collaborate for each >> we've been tasked to figure out what we

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do as a group because it's been a little listless for quite a while and that felt like the most tangible and on top of the water story these were the things that we felt like we could really get a handle on. Yeah. >> And I mean it it feels like the right

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use case for us. But >> but see I think that we already it shouldn't be you. This is administrative. Like this is definitely how like our administration should be doing this. Like this is so let's use you for other things like I'm going to go back to a meeting we had two years

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ago that we were both on the same page that the bureau doesn't have priorities. >> Yeah. If the bureau had a clear set of priorities, then we could let all the commissions know what the priorities are. So then you have direction on what they backed into it that way. >> Yes. Yeah. So I think that's part of it.

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It's like there's no clear director from the top. So everyone is kind of operating in these silos, right? >> So again being part of the EC, they have theRI projects are supposed to come to us. We provide recommendations. >> So we're looking at that's what we're

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not getting. we have been getting it and we're trying to figure out a way to get that. >> Yeah, that's then that's what we >> because there are experts on this panel that know things way above the people who sit other in other places. Even Chris can be helpful and influenced by

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these people. This is they are experts in this and I think that that is the that is the communication that needs to happen as well. >> We're so lucky that we have >> time factor you know the fact is EC can focus on particular items versus the council's got much problem.

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>> So this is the place for discussion where you actually get everything here. >> Yeah. >> And I I agree with everything you all are saying and I find it interesting. I'm obviously brand new to all of this, but I am also the liazison for the historic preservation commission and

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they have everything gets run through them before it gets submitted. So I'm not sure why the environmental commission doesn't. So I I will talk to Chris about it because it is interesting seeing the two side by side and how you know with the cherry block I I just

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assumed you knew what was going on. >> So um no it's very interesting and I will bring it up. >> You can't put a sign up with that historic association. >> No I know that it's very weird that the environmental commission doesn't get >> the respect that the historic

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preservation commission was nailed down >> but I'm just I'm nailed on the head. Yeah. And I'm just I say what I see. >> So I I think that's very fair and I and I personally as a representative like want to feel that things have been vetted and looked at through the

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environmental lens and looked so >> and just so we're clear too like I'm not against cherry. I have cherries in my yard but like 12 compared to like maybe add oak or two in there you know. The point is you're president of the environmental commission and >> ecosystem.

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>> I'm I'm learning and seeing that you're not getting the you have all the qualifications and you should be seeing these things before it's enacted. So I I'll bring it up myself as well. >> Our role is advisory and so you aren't

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asked for input. >> Yeah, that's your point. But it's just you have a list of outstanding projects that like an update on. We um >> we probably do that and just go through the whole >> Well, yeah, I was going to suggest >> just submit that back and say where are

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we with this and we'll be working on on mailing list to see any items that have or >> and we did ask you know I did ask Chris if we could be period on all the public um open spaces too far road um we've

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been in the loop with the grant talk about um delivery shorelines but again once that goes and 21 fairly run committee making us plans. I hope that we get >> plans just like we get plans like private property plans that we get to purchase.

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>> I kind of wish are there any of you are any of you guys on 21 Fair Haven Road >> and I'm not either. Um but that would have been >> that would have been >> right >> kind of like we have planning board >> and maybe that's something we can ask for if they can appoint we can appoint

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someone from DC on that because that's a very been looping you guys into which is fantastic but >> yes and there's not much there though in that meeting >> help somebody like oh wait you can't really do this or like this is not the right thing

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>> yeah no agreed so maybe that that could be something too if we could try to get someone not to take more of your time up but >> um all right well thank you I appreciate you guys >> we'll get it we'll get it down right and then I just want you know

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what Um but if there are any priorities right try besides 21 Fairaven Road obviously I have listed here Marter Pond I mean Marter Park if we can make recommendations too about some of those

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um changes in landscaping practices that would alleviate bees or dissuade some of those bees from being there every year. >> I also would mention maybe mention um just reiterating to everyone the pond like some of the recommendations of the pond. I know they're aware of the

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grasses and everything, but maybe just to have that like in writing that that's sort of like our >> um >> boilerplate of how we look at it. >> Yeah. And then also because of pond has been done did so well trying to use that to go to shrinkers as well too. >> So do you want to update quickly on that

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shrinkers because you just brought it up. So they're doing it they have done two treatments on shrinkers. It's the same treatment that had been agreed on that was um endorsed by or suggested by Steve Sosa Susa >> Susa >> Susa from Ruckers. Um it's kind of the

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broad NJ treatment that they're using for ponds like the recommendation. So it's essentially like you probably can speak better to this isn't it like the bacteria eats or the what do they eat themselves? the um >> the algae >> the algae like kind of eat is eaten up,

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but then there's also like a layer of blue on top that makes it so the sun doesn't get doesn't allow the algae to grow more. So, it's like a two-step thing. They're also looking at irrigation. So, I think they he said there's about four treatments that they're going to do. They've done two

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already. So, it seems to be doing well. Marter seems to be doing well. So, that's that's positive. And that was a long time coming. So, at least that's happening. >> Thank you. And if there's a recommendation of some other water body that maybe want to look at >> next

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isn't there um >> shipp always said to them talk about public access talk about public money and I'll be there first one to fight >> if they don't want anybody hear it I appreciate that they have a problem

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>> they had a problem and I'm like >> they came here >> and I'm going to say I don't think we should put that on all listings things to do because we have plenty of things we haven't done inside of town that we could >> but the notweed problem though down Fourth Creek into Baton that's a problem

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too and um >> well shipp goes to the river >> that's that's all behind behind here behind that's >> and maybe that's a recommendation guys like if you're seeing all this like address the notweed that might be

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something to get Yeah, Mark had said that there was media grant leader went towards the eradication of the notwe not leader >> rallyation I was >> but it should be >> and all that

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>> and I still think that like the invasives though and this is where talking with some of the groups because we're trying to tackle invasives natural air is trying to tackle shade trees trying to tackle >> plan >> bird sanctuary is if you collaborate right and strenthe the numbers here and

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get it from all sides. Some of those people have budgets like I think that that also pull from those as a collective and say bring one group in. >> Yeah. >> Split the budgets and try to tackle this and >> and then you meet a larger group. >> Well, to step back, I think you should

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still keep doing the the roundts. I think that's absolutely invaluable. I know personally I know that you didn't get great feedback from it, but I think you should keep doing it. I do think it's great to have everyone in a room more than once a year. Um, and maybe that is a project specifically the

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invasives. We did get money for tackling invasives recently. They're dealing with um or maybe it wasn't money. I don't remember. But they >> the communities grant. Can we use that money for tackling invasives? >> That might be what we're That might be I have to look back. I forgot. There was like a whole bunch of talks. Do you remember something's happening with

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invasives? They're dealing with it near Fair Haven Field. >> Bonnie can talk to >> Bonnie. Do you remember? Were you talking about JCPN? >> Yeah, >> they Oh, that's what it is. They're paying for it. That's it. JCP. Yes. >> They planted some greens over there

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>> and I just happened to be walking by and saw it and master said, "Oh, Chris, that's a great start. What What Green Giants >> by on their side and then there's a pile of leads still on our side >> by the by the subsection." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They did start something. They did

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plant these green giants. So eventually we won't have to see that. But I and so Chris responded and added JCPNL on. >> Yeah. >> And this woman I finally got hooked up with um you know said what are you what are you talking about? You know I I'll go look at it. So at least I think that

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they could even get somebody to talk about it before you know. So this isn't a big breakthrough to get somebody doing this. >> But it's just still there there are vines in all the big trees. Like they still need to do some more work which is what I was saying. I said, "This is great, but just clean up." But I said,

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"If you cleaned it out, then the shake tree could put this on their list of places to plant >> and we could because you don't want to plant new trees in a pile of weeds." Just so anyway, that was so but >> I had heard back from this DNL gal

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>> and I think maybe it's because wasn't there a big with the storm and stuff, they were I think they might have gotten distracted by some big power problems. So I just was not reaching out but but they're they're I'm hopefully we'll find out more. So

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>> but yeah, so that was what it was there and they're dealing with >> So there's no there's no grant they just finally started to do something about that awful thing that everybody has to look at when they're playing at that field that power station weeds. So >> I just knew we weren't paying for it but I couldn't remember why.

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>> Hopefully it's fine. >> Okay. So, um I think we can keep a running list of priorities for the easy Christie. If maybe if anyone else has others that they want to email to Christy and we can kind of keep that be great.

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>> Um uh speaking of our priorities in the meantime, uh water story, I did um delve into that and there's a couple different chapters that need to go in. It's a narrative. It's a narrative all

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about our water and um there was one chapter that reached out that looks like it's in your department wastewater. Would you want to look at that and give you an update writing that more than happy do that? I was going to give you some work.

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>> No problem. >> All right. No problem. We're very happy. >> Okay. There's also >> sewers and I feel you would be happy. >> I am. And I'll give you an update later. >> Okay. Great. There's also, in case anyone else is, you know, wanting to

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help out there, there's, um, other chapters could be drinking water supply and quality, uh, community access to water. >> I'll do that. >> Oh, okay. Storm water and flooding, which I'm happy to help out. I have some of that stuff as well, too. >> Did Nick give you a lot? Cuz we

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>> I'm going to run this by with Nick, too. He asked for certain questions. Okay. And so, um, I just delved a little bit into the, um, the guide of the different chapters >> because he should have a lot of this. >> Okay. Yes, I know that should have

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>> and I think I just knew that you were a Mr. Wastewater expert. >> And also like when you're having problem, believe me, I am your person. >> Mr. Wastewater. >> Great. Excellent. So, that's excited for

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that. Okay. Um great communication website. Um did you guys see that the notw weeds um communication thank you Anna was out delivered to everybody. So that was good. >> Um there is also a publication that the

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green team are submitting a article to patch because we were at the ecoest um at Rumson on Saturday talking about ribbed muscles and the potential to have ribbed muscles in the napsync. Um they are not harvested, they are not edible, but they are by valves and they are

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filtering organisms. Um and they are native that I saw them at Sandy Hook on the Bayside just last week. >> Um >> it was well received everywhere in the burrow, which was good. >> Even a uh yes, the article was very well received, but even at the event um even

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a Rumson um council member said, "Let's get this started here." You know, Rumson said, "Well, maybe very eventive." Bonnie texted me um about mainly the group putting something in fair haven living about the not need >> um they're always looking for content

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of fair haven living >> the neighbor you don't know >> right you don't need >> that's really funny all the fun >> like we just Na'vi just moved here >> but I think that could be a good way to

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get it in front of people solve it. I'm >> you know I know about so if we could something on there >> that would be great as a >> and I also think so um a few editors back we used to have when when Britney Lash was here we used to have a green

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team >> Oh yeah >> in every >> in every publication >> so if we have a little like environmental news or some kind of tips we had har you know like leave the leaves one year you know for one month we had things that came out and they

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always welcomed it. >> Yeah. >> Um >> but you know it changes their editor has kind of over you know >> Yeah. >> It's due the first of the month the article. So >> to get into August it has to be submitted July 1. >> Okay.

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>> So treatment of not read is September. So, you know, if you want people to get on the program to be treating and getting somebody treated, that's totally >> And tell me, I can't remember. It wasn't in the focus yet, right? But we can put

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it in the focus for this one. >> The one that >> isn't um >> it's every other month. >> Yeah, I think she's collecting stuff now, though. >> The patch, I think she's going to put it out that article. Um but we can include it in the focus as well.

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>> And then um right we do uh >> Yeah. Okay. Was it on the website yet? >> Has it been put on the website? >> I'm not sure. >> We should get on the website too. Can you see? Would you mind like >> Yeah, sure.

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>> Great. Okay. Anything to add to this? Um, skip the stuff. Construction desk ordinance review. Yes, I know we need to, um, skip the stuff is going to effect. When

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is it going to effect? Uh, why? Is that August 1st or August 15? >> I don't remember. Definitely August. So I think by next >> meeting >> um if we could work on some kind of publication or flyer

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um to present to local fair residents or businesses just to that's a notweed flyer. >> It's on the website. >> Okay, good. In case you guys haven't seen a a pretty >> um Okay, so

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by next meeting we can have that info. >> And you know what? That that would be good for the focus too. >> Yeah, >> that should >> And then you know what? Um what is the next fair business association? >> That should go out >> 29th >> of June. Yeah, it's the exact meeting,

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but I if I get something >> if we get something out about just reminders to restaurants and like that they don't that it's going to effect. I think if you guys can disseminate that, that would be great. Okay. >> Um and then

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>> Oh, yes. So, Betty wants articles for the July August focus by Monday, June 15th. >> I know. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um and then the construction dust ordinance is still something that we can

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think about um bringing up maybe after the skip the stuff was sent to be. >> Yes. One thing at a time. Um Fourth Creek Nav St. River update. I haven't heard anything directly from a

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computer where that was saying something. anything to do that. >> Um, John, do you want to fill in on Anna? Do you guys have anything to update that we've had kind of discussions with Clean Ocean Action?

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there. It's a way we have to figure out a way to present it so that the people in the community can digest it. Um it's something that John has offered to do in terms of building out a dashboard that we can pull the data into. It sounds

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like >> um Clean Ocean Action is is interested in working with us, which is a big step. Um because I I'd spoken to them a few months ago and you know they were kind of like we have it but you know what do we do? It was it

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wasn't definitive but it sounds like Robin has um gotten them to a point that it will start to become definitive. So we can pull the information the water testing that they've done and um break it down into safe to swim not safe to swim especially during the summer. John

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has offered, like I said, to build out a dashboard that could live on our burough website and then people could just easily see if they should be in the water. So, that's something that the three four of us are working on with um COA and the D. I would suggest that you

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let or re let Chris know then the administrator know that you're doing that. Um because I had mentioned it quickly to him and the only concern is that where the information is coming from like are we really do we know this

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because we're basically saying we support this which I I think it's great to know levels but like where is that information coming from because we're endorsing it. Could we source Could we source it? Like if we're comfortable I mean if you have a if you have data that you put into a into a

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dashboard and then you you have a source underneath it like an asterisk that says this information is coming >> just all the time. The only thing that concerned me though is like what if we say it's safe to swim? >> I don't think you say turned out. >> I think you just say these are the levels. So we're not saying level you

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make the decision. >> It's not safe to swim. >> It's not safe. That's what we say. >> Well, I was just trying to figure out a way. >> I say that the D recommends this range, but >> I just think it's worth maybe having a

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conversation with Chris just because I don't want you to get too far down just to like know. >> We're not there yet. Like we're not even I mean the the the dashboard can be built quickly. John, I'm putting words in your mouth. Um, but I I think that this is an initial conversation that we've had that's a positive move in the

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right direction of at least obtaining this data that they collect constantly that we've requested access to. So once we get that confirmed, then we can start say like this is what we have. He has to run all of the background um analysis on it and then we can put something. >> I love having that. I think that's

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great. >> You're avoiding so many discussion about do or don't. just add the numbers and say this is a general acceptance, >> right? Yes. Right. And >> and you do what you think is appropriate. >> That's right. And the issue at the initial issue was the ranges are different for multiple different bodies of water. So the SH is very different

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than the Nav like you get it. You're waste guy. So >> Well, you mean like the level? >> No, no, but there is a swimming swimming threshold and they're different. >> He has it on there. It's they actually have the a site outside yach club, >> right?

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>> Yes. Isn't that where Robin does? >> Robin does a ton of testing there, too. So, it's it's just about kind of making it >> specific to Fair Haven. So, we have to get the >> from the D sake, but it's like have something that links to that. >> There you go. Since everyone's doing that,

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>> but then the D measures different types of bacteria and COA. And so, we wanted to have those two thresholds >> together. Yeah. >> Are there any other thresholds that you're pulling from? >> No, I don't think so. I think those assessed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, great. Okay. So, I'll keep the

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discussion John and I will keep going on that. >> Oh, thanks. Um, Marty suggestions. >> Sorry. >> Yeah, I just saw your email today. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. J. Um, yeah, I think we talked about it last time. Is that what we're

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looking to do is provide some kind of >> I think general feedback and tips. >> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, that's good for Christie. >> Yep. You I got it. should bring it on the screen to see if it's kind of what we're >> because the locus has a lot of the

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things that like though I don't know you know I pulled this from various sources of limiting uh you know from household sources um and

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then there's a link further down there which >> has led of uh information about you know >> uh rain garden stuff even pollinators

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geese, right? And like do not feed the geese. Why? Right. Or or make sure that you have that buffer so they don't see it. So I would maybe even ask a little bit more the specifics like did you know that one geese can >> have x amount of pounds of weight, right? And so here's what you do because

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I just rode my bike here through a bunch of poop on the side everywhere. >> It's everywhere. >> And then when you wash that stuff off, it goes right into the drains as well, too. And I think um so I think this is a great start, but like I wonder if we

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could do like more, you know, >> little specific facts or suggestions even um >> like types of grasses. I was going to say, >> yeah, >> you know, glance or something. >> And I keep going back to the focus, but the way the new focus is is that it

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really does allow you to like have a whole page. So you can have like a whole because she's made it like for I forget what we said, but like basically like helpful tips from DC or like environmental tips. So any of this can go on there. >> So they can like know each month that

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there's like a whole page dedicated to how you can be more eco-friendly. They can better the everything. So if you get this information by Monday and a little short turnaround, but this could be included. >> That's a good start though. >> Yeah. >> Right. And I mean I think maybe that is

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something that we should kind of think about like the EC like what if every >> every two months? Y >> what what what we want to put into right >> and it sounds like it's around the 15th every month of the deadline. So just keep that in your mind

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>> in terms what are we working on or trying to push out. Um, Gary, thank you though. That's good. That's a good support first thing. Um, I'll look at it >> closer and just add my things and then maybe we can kind of keep like an email to you if anyone else has any other

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ideas and then we can synthesize that and do a brure pants that um all right moving on. Living shoreline grant. So we are still working with Stevens um institute. they were going to be to

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building a conceptional plan for 21 Fair Haven Road um in order or in attempt to get the um the climate solutions grant Jesse is that climate

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>> yes meeting it's called like so many different things >> I think it's u but we are working with them yeah climate change natural climate solutions Mhm. Um and so I think we hope to get

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within the next couple weeks a conceptual plan. The idea is also to include the bottom of Normandy is with it. We did also ask to kind of add hands. I don't know if that will >> We didn't get any update because they asked me on green team. I hadn't I know

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we asked but >> Chris said he's he know that they're working on it. He didn't want to kind of >> Yeah. He said he was another week or so, >> but they were full steam ahead when we talked to you. So, >> yeah. And they were going to help us

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with um public input as well for that. Um but yeah, so that that's um >> can I ask Kelly when you describe what they recommended to us because everybody was asking like how much living shoreline and it was kind of like as

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much living shoreline as we could get. I mean that was kind of our directive to them, right? Like as much living shoreline as possible with knowing that you're going to have to have some hybrid, >> right? >> But the emphasis is as much as we can, >> right? And they're going to come out there and take actual studies and earn

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some look at the geography a little bit. Well, the inspiration like the Victory Park where it has like a retained wall because there's big slope, but then there was, you know, there's >> a lot of beach frontage like that's >> I feel like that's kind of best of

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>> more planting on it, but I know that that comparable >> thing with retaining walls that actually causes more erosion. >> Okay. >> So, when you put them in, it actually makes things a little more actually. That's why the whole point of delivery.

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>> Yeah, exactly. So, you don't want to put in a straight bulkhead otherwise. Yeah. Almost. You absolutely have to. Yeah. >> Have you seen like hybrid versions of them that like you kind of point to I feel like having an example would be >> Yeah.

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>> Well, I think maybe that also means that like perhaps it might be on the side closest to like the marina, right? sort of like >> and then kind of because there is a little beach there too, but like having it kind of be like right the the rip wrap and the the >> but also kind of putting grasses in

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there and kind of like becomes a little >> see the issue the thing is it's wherever the placement is you don't want also want to start sitting there >> the drip is from west to east most >> so anything you put on there should hopefully catch

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look at the uh the boat ramp Yeah. >> Piles up >> east to western side of it. >> So it's techniques. >> So they could do something that could like obviously protect the marina there and then help and twofold help that but then also build out. >> It's almost like a little mini groin or

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something like that. >> Cool. All the engineers out. >> Sorry, did you say you're applying for the natural climate solutions grant? >> Uh that is the intent. Yes. We need to have our conceptual plan from Stevens and that will be used to go towards that. Yes.

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>> I don't know why I missed that. I didn't know that was happening. >> That was that's a grant that we're going for. >> Okay. >> That we need Steven's help. >> Um and Chris is aware like you're this is >> first the one who came to us. >> Okay. He did. Okay. >> Because I knew that we had I knew it was out there and I didn't realize you guys

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had been tound. >> Okay. He ded first. He's like, "Hey, doing this." >> You'd be like frozen. And yeah, >> and then so um we met with ALS and ALS was like we don't really do these Harlo plans. You should speak with Steven. So then we

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>> Steven like after that meeting he was talking to him about it. >> There you go. Um great. Okay. So any any other um anything else on current business on the end of that? >> I just want to give you an update from

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two water regulation. Good. >> So, we had a couple of incidents. I'm sorry I've been I've not been able to attend in person for a while. Um, we had a few incidents out of Redbank January and December and we're trying to be more vigilant. At least I'm watching them um

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because they had some issues with some overflow discharge into the river and it was problematic. And generally, I think that their maintenance is a bit below where it needs to be. Um and they've also had a bunch of new development um that is feeding into the existing system

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which is rather let's just say dated. Um in our case over here in Fair Haven. Of course I have to say every time I sit on the board of the sewer authority I think what a brilliant town we had in 1965 to join the authority because they take

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care of all the infrastructure in town. All you guys have to do is call to something goes wrong and that's it and then they come out and do it. Whereas Redbank and Rumson both have their own networks to maintain and it's a challenge. Now, we did have an incident in Fair Haven on March 24th, we had a

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pipe break. And if you want to believe it, the pipe runs along the beach, which I guess in 1965 was something you could get approved. I can't imagine it would be approved today, but the existing sewer line, the pump station right by Shersburg River

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Yach Club, we had a failure in the pipe. We're waiting to hear from the uh pipe institute. That pipe has been in there. We think it's from the 60s and it's we we want to see we're waiting to see what the condition is. We might have to replace the whole thing and we might have to move it up onto River Right. But

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that that's I have pictures if you want to see it because we have to wait for the tie to have to dig it up. So um that was the one incident that happened there in March. Um, and know you may know that the sewer authority is building a win interceptor that's going to go under Pleasure Bay from between Oceanport and

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uh sewer plant beach. Uh, and we just are about to break through in the tunnel. They're tunning under the river. It's the only way to avoid miles and miles of pipe under all the towns for it. So, we had to go under the river and that was a challenge, but we just about

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to break through. So that hopefully by next year you'll have a new backup pipe that will replace the 1967 or 70 pipe. Uh that's the main transfer between us and the sewer authority. >> Okay. >> No, the sewers authority going to take

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care of the relocation of a pipe that is >> Oh yeah. No, it's not >> it's not going to cost the town. >> It's not going to cost the town anything. We're just at this point in time trying to decide if the pipe we did a repair um they did dig it up. They did a repair on it. It's really just a question of what the condition of the plan is and I'm watching it because if I

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think it's structurally not sound, >> we'll move forward with something else. But >> for now, it's been okay. But I just look at going, you've been underwater. Been under salt water for a long time. >> Yeah. >> But I couldn't believe it when I came to see it. I have pictures if anyone wants to see it because I was like, "Wow,

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>> can you bring him next to me?" Well, sure. I can send it. I'll send it to you. But it's just fascinating because I was like, "How did they ever get this approved?" But it's 1965 and I'm pump >> everybody knows where the pump station is

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going to be occup. I got to say this though I'm reading the sewer again. I just want to remind everybody that Fair Haven has fully separated storm water systems and >> sewers and sanitary sewers whereas >> every time it rains Perth Amble and Opal

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and Jersey City and I list dump combined sewage into the river and so our complaints are, you know, trying to upgrade the system is we're we're already light years ahead. So when we have something like a break, okay, it's not good. >> Yeah. compared to any rainstorm in in

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Perth and boy, this was >> nothing. Clearly, an ocean action was there and we talked about it. >> You know, the sewer authority was out there very quickly to address it. We pumped the sewage out of the existing plant. So, we shut down the line. We had to wait for low tide to dig down and

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then we pump we had two tank traps up on River Road. I don't know if anybody saw them, but they were pumping all the sewage and then dumping it further down the line and shuttling back and forth until we dump the line. It was exciting. >> Great. Well, thanks for uh lawyer for >> No, no, I'm sorry I wasn't here, but it

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was it was one of those things that um you know, it's just one of those questions of vision and >> Sure. >> Um I can tell you that the authority is is good about upkeep and we'll make the right choices because >> whatever has to happen to upgrade the

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system to keep it appropriate. Um the good news is it's not only the town. No, but in Redbank it's competing with recreation and you know DPW and you know they have a sewer authority but it's it's the number of dollars that you give

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to the sewer authority kind of works on breaking. >> So they just replace whatever. >> Great. >> Thank you for >> Yeah. Thank you for that. >> Okay. Um All right. Uh administrative items. Any board update? Uh we had a

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meeting last month and we approved a renovation of a house in the historic district. The big improvement and we're still waiting on the master plan to update that. But basically >> that has to be in this that has to be updated this year. Correct.

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>> This year you're going to put it in. >> We haven't gotten any at all because we wanted from any of the consultants. >> We haven't gotten anything. I have not gotten a single piece of trash yet. >> Did they bring it up and say why? Because I I'm going to ask about this,

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but I didn't realize that you hadn't seen it yet. >> I haven't seen anything. >> Did they get the survey results back? >> I haven't seen anything. >> I haven't seen the survey results either. >> I haven't seen anything since >> due by the end of the year. >> Yeah, I haven't seen anything. And also

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>> I haven't seen anything. >> We're having a meeting next Tuesday. So hopefully >> there's nothing in August, right? >> Yes. >> And >> it sounds like Chris had called, but I I'll follow up and see like what's

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behind. >> Great. Any other things? Um, >> I I have one question. Apparently the county at Fairly Road and Rich Road are going to put a roundabout in. Is that any way the environment >> I was going to talk about that? >> Oh, >> I can update you if you'd like.

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>> No, I was saying is what is where is >> it's going to be at Fair Road >> and bridge >> and ridge. So, the county is going to put in a roundabout. So, my question is how is that going to affect the town? Is the environmental commission going to be involved? You were talking about this

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earlier, a project. So I see that as a big project. >> So I'm just curious. >> I can answer. >> It's a county project. So the answer is >> well yes and no. So it's so let me I'll take a step back if that's okay just to

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so I have a I I did bring my picture so everyone could see if they wanted to see it. This is just a rendering. So where we are is that you know this has been an issue for a very long time and the county really wasn't addressing it at all. Finally due

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to like the diligence of our town was like really on the county about like really this needs to be looked at. So they finally did a study. They got all the accident reports from Fair Haven. They got accident reports from Romson and they did a study and they had a couple different options. I don't

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remember all the options, but like one was a left turn signal, one was just stop signs, one was um you know a a larger roundabout, one's a smaller roundabout. After all of their studies and everything that they looked at, they found that the smaller roundabout was

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the least amount of um eminent domain being taken. >> The um which also includes the natural area. Um so from my understanding, it's like 10 to 15 feet of the natural area. Um, this is the uh least disruption to the flow of uh traffic. So like with the

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lefthand turn, you have think about it like people are stopped, stops traffic. This there's never anyone like actually stopped. So I think it was like it slows down traffic by 12 seconds or something something like that. So least amount of disruption in terms of time of trans um

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transit. This is also oh it lowers reduces accidents by 82%. Um, and that was like the biggest reduction. And also something Josh mentioned at the meeting on Monday, which I wasn't aware of, but he said that um, because he and Chris had really been in the talks with the

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county and so has Rumson. And um, that this the accidents that do happen with the roundabout are the least um like >> damage, >> the least damage. So if you think about it, a lot of times it's people coming

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out and they get t-boned, right? that's not really going to happen because one they're coming slower around and so they're not coming straight on. So it's just I guess the type of accidents are less >> severe severe. Um and the truth is so we

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on Monday put an ordinance in that matched Rumsons because it's us essentially saying we're endorsing this circle specifically based off everything we've been giving. We endorse it. The truth is they didn't need it from us because it's the county project. they can go ahead, but obviously we want to

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seat at the table. So, we want to be supportive of what's happening. We want to keep being in the mix of it. Once they have this, they will talk to Greenacres um for the natural area specifically to make sure that there's no issue with that. They will also um open have open houses. So, to answer

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your question, no, we're not going to be able to have the green team make a recommendation, but if anyone in the public does want to weigh in, there will be some open houses. >> Are the Oh, sorry. Sorry EC I just or any governing any group any governing

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group but as residents or as you know taxpayers everyone will have some there will be some open form and ultimately it's the who are the ones who vote on it for the county >> county >> now the commissioners though is it I guess it's the commissioners

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>> the transportation freeholder >> yeah so I think it might be is it definitely not freeholder >> but I think it's also maybe a board but anyway so >> the transportation Yeah. So I think it's Yeah. Board of I think that's >> it would also probably go to state DOT but who knows. >> Yeah. So I mean there's a lot more steps

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and this isn't happening for like three years probably like there's so it's a lot more the um burrow side of our side of it. They the um house has been talked to the residents who will be affected. They apparently have seen a lot of

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accidents there. So they're for it even though it is taking some of their property. Um I don't know update on the rumpson side but >> how much property is it? >> It sounds to me like it's it's again the this is the but like 10 to 15 feet >> the small surface. >> So yeah and from my understanding like

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don't picture the one in the highlands that wasn't so like that's a bad example. >> Brookdale. >> Yeah. So they kind of said Brookdale. So, is that like is the closest that I've heard? >> And I know there are some feedback that why don't we just put a traffic light

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and I do want to reiterate that the traffic light would take up more space because we would need to add two lanes on each side. >> Well, the problem with the traffic light is people coming down Ridge Road at 50 m an hour. >> Oh, no. There's so Yeah, there's so but people I've been asked who's scared

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today. They're like, "Why don't we have a traffic light?" I'm like, "All right, let's have a conversation." >> Can I ask you a question? As a resident, why can't we lower the speed limit from Kemp >> all the way down to road 25 miles hour? >> That I mean, that's definitely could be a piece of

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>> I mean, if you slow everybody down at least, >> I mean, you're going 40 miles an hour. >> That's rich county. >> Yes. I when we I don't remember how this went down, but when we voted on not we cuz I

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wasn't on council to make River Road 25 miles an hour. I know it's a county road. So they positioned Did they vote? They must have voted on it first and then presented it to us. >> Essentially move the traffic away from River to throw a car in and move it to

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Ridge because the downtown business district is is more sensitive, if you will, to higher speed incidents. So, >> but I remember Rumson didn't >> do it. They didn't do the 25. We did. So, I don't know if that's something that like that could be >> did it after. >> Yeah,

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>> this could be a thing to we could recommend. >> Problem with the speed. >> The only trouble is if you do if you drop the speed on ridge, then you might have shift traffic shift back up to river. >> Be careful, you know, with that. >> One question I did ask >> 225s there. Right now there's a

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competitive advantage to bridge. >> Well, there is a new rule about bike path. There is some requirement. I just saw something get I'll get back to you on that. I just saw something come up like you have to have a certain amount of Oh, there's a grant about it that I so

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>> the other thing I want to say is that um wait, you just said something about Oh, I one of the questions I asked was the slope. Are they looking at reating it? So, they didn't have that answer, but they um Allison had sent an email saying, "We approved the we passed this

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ordinance. Here are the questions that came up at our meeting." So, we're waiting for it for those, >> right? Because if you're flying 35, you know, it's like, >> we did do some pruning on the trees there. >> Yeah. >> Recently, there were some sighteline issues there. So we did some pruning on

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the trees there recently. So at least that's >> um that was that >> tell us. >> Yeah. So we got the green acres grant for 21 Fair Haven Road. It's about 318,000. So that was good. Um >> and what are the stipulations for that grant?

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>> Is there anything or it's just to like to help? >> I think it's just to help >> like the >> Yeah. >> development. I don't know. I don't have the stipulations, but I think we applied to it with the plan 21 Fair Road plan that we have been using for everything

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because I'm pretty sure that's how we applied for the Palone money. Um, oh, we uh Green Team is doing a talk on September 13th. It's about rooftop solar. It's going to be at Robin's

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house. um 4 they looking at 4 p.m. Uh so I got a little recap of so it's going to be like what I can't see see my other glasses uh like what it's like to get rooftop solar in 2026 I guess because a lot of things have changed since in

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recent times. Um more just information about community solar as well. There'll be a speaker from Trinity Solar. Um there'll be some examples of user experience and the idea is that also to have Robin's house evaluated for solar and then they'll talk about it and if

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Robin's house isn't a candidate then they'll look at someone else's house to have like an example of it. Real life example. Um yeah, I think that was it. You talked about the Rally of the Two Rivers. Um

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I'll bring up the playground surface. I feel like I'm bringing up a kind of a hot topic, but um I brought it up at the green team and from what uh originally when I had spoken to um the grant, they said like no, you can't use cork. It has to be this port in place or it has to be

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the other rubber or the other um >> the wood fiber the >> chips. >> No, cuz chips aren't ADA like they're not. >> First of all, it's chopped currency. That's what it's made of. It's made out of cash that you grind out.

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>> It looks like wood chips to me, but it cost 50 times. What is that? >> Engineered wood wasn't enough. >> No, I mean, how do you make inherency? >> Yeah. >> So, um I mean, I'm kind of going on a limb here, but

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>> from what we understand now, it is allowed the court. Yes. >> What and I think pro because when I when I talked to them at the end of last year, it was a hard no. So it what we found out is a lot of other bureaus were grappling with like the same issue. So I suspect it got changed. I have no proof

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that but it sounds like we can now use the corp. So what I'm going to request is that we get two proposals when we do the bid specs that we get one with the port in place and one with the corp and then we can talk about it. >> Breaking ground. >> It's been delayed.

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>> It's been delayed because of everything that was happening with the stuff. >> This is the uh Jake playground. off the ground. That's going to be the sort of >> Yeah. So, it sounds like it's going to be like October, November at this point. It's not for like I we were both very concerned about it being like right at the start of school. I mean, I don't

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love that it's happening in school, but >> because of the funding issues, like it was delayed. >> Um, but the port in place, so just the port in place, actually, I read that there was a little more wear and tear on the court. Uh

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Steph seems to think that they're actually pretty the maintenance in terms of it about three years that you have to start repairing replacing it. The disadvantage to the port in place is that you have to have the professional fix it like replace it. The cork you can have your own staff replace it. So in

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the long term even if it's more expensive upfront I wonder if like if we would be saving money because we don't have to hire professionals every time we need to fix it. And then in the bid that we got back, the boarding place was extremely like 50 per square foot or it was on the higher end.

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>> Oh, it's >> very much so expensive. >> Yes. Yes, it is. >> And it's I mean, but we have to remember that we would still be paying less for a playground. Even though like that cost is so high and we're required to do it, we are still paying less than we would

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have to put out of our own pockets. >> Right. But I mean it just that >> but we were kind of stuck >> high bid that perhaps even though porkine is a little bit more higher that maybe it will still fall under that bid. >> Yeah. >> So not to merit that the long the health

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effects Yeah. >> of using pork rather than >> rubber crumb tire crumb that can get you know and then into the ground and the river you know >> it's just there's a lot of different health environmental impact. So, I'd like to at least get both.

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>> I'm gonna make a recommendation that we can get both. >> I would be advocating for cork as well. >> Benefit analysis. >> I mean, to be fair, the cork isn't perfect because there is like a layer on top that a sealant that isn't there's no >> but is like the least. Yeah. So, I will

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be So, Steph is going to send me the letter that she got that said you are allowed to because I hadn't seen anything that said you can. So, >> thank you. >> So, we'll see what happens there. I think that's my those are my >> Michael, did you get the link um to give to the attorney that showed Robson um

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promoting businesses? >> I sent that on and it's being reviewed by people and so I don't have any updates for you, but I did send on everything um to this is about the green seal. >> Did I copy? I copied. Were you on the emails back? >> Um no, I was on the emails back.

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>> There were some emails back. Um, but that could also be something to >> just wait a couple months. >> At the same time, like I guess I'm waiting a couple months, but I also like don't want to like just stop making

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progress on things. So, but Susan, I do not have an ask for radio, but I did forward on >> Yeah, I didn't think anybody actually received it. So, >> they I sorry if I didn't respond back, but I did. I for it on >> I saw it and Chris I I spoke to Chris

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first like that. Um in another um update that um the green team received a $2,000 grant from Sustainable Jersey homeowns program >> um where they collect

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get the acorns, bring it over to Nwood, they grow oaks and they give back to their students. >> Um and uh we just have to hope that there that program will still exist and not be budget cuted. um from next year. >> We talked about that the

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>> but um Bonnie and Chris are going to be going to College of New Jersey on Monday to receive the $200. >> Oh, and actually, so >> that was Stephanie that wrote it. Bonnie and Mark helped out with that. It's been their project that they

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>> Bonnie, didn't you have a French acorn that you brought back from French? So, actually I was going to mention, but do you want to mention shade tree? What's happening with the trees? You have the flying right there. >> So, I'll pass. >> And then the homegrown oaks have been I

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don't know. It's been like a work in progress because we burned school then to Nwood. They didn't have teachers involved. Then we had Andy Dow. He finally had an insider that was doing this focusing on it and so he's trying

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to do it. So, we're hoping he stays that project stays, you know, where it is. But if not, we can maybe bring it back to sickles. And >> and by the way, we did um through our Earth celebrations, we did give every

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third grader a white oak tree to go home with, which was really cool. Um, >> oh, so I mean, you know, this is all kind of part of this these reiterations or these, you know, ideas that long run.

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>> And Shade Tree also had their um Earth No, what is it? Arbor Day um contest. So, we did announce the winners at Shade Tree uh meeting. So, it was very cute. They had winners from each grade. >> Yeah, they were cute. Um, so this is just something that um I would love for

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you guys to be aware of. The Shade Tree decided in order to try to raise awareness and appreciation for the big old trees in town that in honor of the 13 original colonies, we would put um you know banners around white and blue

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banners around the 13 oldest trees in town. Kelly Flanigan has one in her yard. >> And on transition day, it was the talk of the town because it was so hot everybody wanted to be under my tree. I mean, everyone kept talking like, "Oh my god, the tree." And I was like, "Are you

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seriously?" >> It's an American. >> It's over 200 years old. >> It's really unusual. >> Six feet in circumference. >> Wow. >> No, I mean, the crown the crown is like six feet. >> It's unusual because it's it's alive and

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died. And so, Kelly, I mean, I actually told somebody at Bookers that Kelly has this tree and you should get take the babies because maybe it's immune to >> a special treat. I should spend and I wanted to come. I have seen the script.

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>> You want to take them in? So, so what this is, so you'll see these around town. So, we're we're trying to there's a QR code and Mark Olsen has been working really hard on this big old tree. So, if you want to scan it and go on it, then you can see where they are.

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>> Um, and we're hoping that um >> I know Hilly's going to take on a bike ride, but But yeah, it just um and what I would really love to see is people taking

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pictures with the trees and posting them on Facebook >> or sending them to Leah Bagani on the shade tree and we'll put it on our Instagram. Um just I mean like there for example there's a person that has a really old oak tree and they

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don't like the oak tree and they wanted to cut it down even though it's on public right away. Anyway, so but but because of this, it's kind of made them go, uh oh, >> you know, and I mean, so this is is public trees in the right of way, but

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it's also the trees that were on the big tree hunt that are are, you know, state like there's um the water oak that's on River Road. >> That's right. >> The only white water oak in Mammoth County and two in New Jersey.

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>> The other one's in Cape May. >> Yeah. Yeah. They're very very proud of each other. >> Well, I was like I went to pick up Owen one time from Tatums and I'm like >> have you you should check out that the big tree hunt. So I gave him my contact me on the >> and the big thing is that that I mean

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obviously there are people with a lot of big trees that are aren't on the big tree hunt and and they're you know probably bigger or older and we don't you know I don't want anybody to be upset about this. This is it's just some of the old and some of the special trees in town. So the number there's a it's 13

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for the original 13 colonies plus one or >> we're going to put one in by hall because the byhole tree the oak tree was planted in 1976 in honor of the renaming why centennial hall in the mood or this chapel there. So we just thought we'd put it in. If you go on this it tells

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you a little story like a a quick little >> and all the trees are wrapped in this beautiful big >> Well, we're putting it up now. I'm trying to get everybody to gonna be putting the bunching up. I was hoping to have it up at Fairhead down before Fair Haven day kind of because everybody >> people were looking and taking picture

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like that. They were it was a whole conversation. It's >> just great. >> But I said the value of tree everybody wanted to watch their kids underneath this big shady tree on the other side of the street. >> Yeah. >> And Mark really the website looks great and it's on the website. It's on the burrow website already.

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>> It it's like way more work than it looks but >> he did he did a lot. But yeah, but but if you if you want, you can scan this little >> um and uh you can read about the the trees. So, >> good work. Great. I love that huge.

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>> It's really cute. >> Um right now. So anyway, >> thank you guys. Fair hand day obviously this weekend. >> Yeah, >> everybody. >> I mine was mine was came out by the New Jersey Department of Environmental

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Protection and the D and they wrote that it was over 200 years. They measured the DBH and then the >> um the circumference all that stuff >> and um >> yeah so many people were asking all

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those stats about it. I luckily still have my but if you know anybody that wants that has a big tree and want they just go on the New Jersey Forest Service and under the big tree hunt >> and you get somebody from you have to get permission to come out and measure your tree and and get >> someone will come out and measure the

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tree. >> Yeah. somebody from the Forest Service will come out and the guy's name is Forest Jennings. >> I think he was made for this. I thought of one other thing that's not specifically EC but interesting to know. So on Monday we approved um moving

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forward with the plans for the library renovation. Great. >> So that's very exciting. >> I have another one. >> I don't think they're but it looks really cool. They're doing like the sort of nautical feeling. Um but yeah, so I think I'm excited for

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them. They did work so hard between the friends of the library to raise a little money and >> just I'm currently working on a stuff a bunch of stuff related to ebikes and the changing landscapes of ebikes in America. So I'll keep updated on that.

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I'm working with the bicycling committee, American Motorcycle Association on these issues because everybody's gray a lot of gray areas. Let's just leave it at that. had a lot of interesting activities. So, Jerseys ahead of the curve and a lot >> but there was a a delay though. there

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something because there was some there was not controversy but like the I don't remember what the issue was >> there there was an ordinance passed that's supposed to effect in June that basically puts everything into motor vehicles but then >> that's all the licenses because you'd have to get a certain license to drive

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it but then if it got so >> challenges the issues of training operating practice safety gear and I can tell you that the motorcycle community we're very worried that all the accidents we reported as motor vehicles And that would affect our insurance rates.

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>> And then part of it is you have a lot of young people without training. So you know there's a lot of opportunity I think for good training. >> Yeah. >> You know like we actually have you can get a boat license at 13 I think 13. >> Yeah. >> Um and we give you training and that's the idea, right? I mean so

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>> part of it is we want to encourage the activity but >> license. Yeah. Why not? >> Yeah. I I've had one of script. Yeah. >> Really? >> Oh yeah. Because part of it is you want to have training, right? I mean, you don't want to just let them go out there without any any knowledge. And so, it's

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the wild west right now. >> So, it's not it's not now going into effect in June. Did they give a timeline? >> I don't know yet on that. New Jersey stuff is the hot topic in >> is what the heck to do because the

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technology is going like this and the wrership's going like this. >> Yeah. and and the opportunities for problems and >> well fair is one of the few places in New Jersey right now I think who has an ordinance on the books that even addresses it. So, >> yeah. No, no, no. And it's interesting because it's it's just around the

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country. It's all over. And we're actually getting ready to write some proposals on research that should be done to try and identify like one of the challenges for the officers is accident reporting, right? >> You know, you have one of those ebikes. Do you report it as a motorcycle or bicycle? You know, and there's a lot of

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greatness in the reporting information. So, >> a vehicle under 39. >> Uh yeah, I know. And it's interesting. So then it's >> but they're making them get a license as if it is. Right. >> So maybe they're changing it. >> There was a lot of inconsistency or like

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>> there's a lot of how the data is being collected. But isn't there a law going into effect? But when you said I think it's I had heard Yeah, I thought it was January. >> But I have not heard that it's actually because I knew there were a lot of issues. I don't I don't know. I I'm on

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some of the emails. I'll have to check. Yeah, >> I think you have to be 16. >> You have to get a special permit for it. >> You do. >> You probably need an endorsement like motorcycle or some point. >> Well, they were changing also the registration registration

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>> which is not to national standard. >> Then when I think if you're 16, you have to get a permit for it. Like you have to take a test, >> right? >> If you have license, you just have to get >> right. That's the way I I'll be watching.

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>> Updated. >> Um, any other updates or things up here? >> Any public comments? >> Yeah. >> I just have a a observation. Um, on recycling day when I'm walking my dog

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down the road, people don't seem to understand. I'm just wondering if things have changed. My understanding was, yeah, you can't put it in plastic bags. So many cans have calcium diets full of stuff in them. There's styrofoam in there.

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>> There is pretty much anything like so >> do those people they just get picked up and there's no ramification. You know there's no they aren't told like a notice left saying you we didn't pick it up today because you can't have stuff in plastic bags. I mean it feels like

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there's no enforcement of >> or or the rules have just gone out the window. What if you just >> stickers? We have tons of stickers. We have tons of stickers and we sent all the stickers out for you. >> Why don't you make sure you give it Do

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they have some at Burough Hall? So, we have new >> reser. I said I was going to bring them in. I >> like for any new residents like when they come in the store. >> But um but I also think that we have a recycling coordinator. We pay on our salary a recycling coordinator. What does that recycling coordinator do?

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>> We have a what? cycling coordinators like works for the town. I think they actually are. >> This is it. You got >> mandated. You're mandated. But I'm wonder like could that recycling coordinator once a month spend one hour

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just down the night? You know morning recycling doesn't get picked up at the crack of dawn. Garbage does. They would have time in the morning just to kind of cruise up and down a random arbitrary But >> I mean just I'm not like I don't want to

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be like a just I'm curious why >> the federal has said anything if there's all these violations because we don't >> you know when they think they were because they forgot

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>> the I will ask that question. Um, it looks like the law is going to effect, by the way, I just looked it up. It says it is going to effect July 19th, but there is a sixmonth grace period that allows for riders to become compliant with the new rules. >> Where are we? >> Sorry, sorry, I went back real quick.

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Bikes, I just wanted to give an update before we >> Yeah. So, licensing, you must either have a valid basic driver's license. Um, all ebikes must be registered with the New Jersey Motor Vehicle. Owners are required to carry liable um insurance covered for ebikes. So, my kids have to

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cover them. >> Yeah. This is where national standards right now, just so everybody knows. >> Yeah. And riders must be at least 15 years old. Individuals under 15 are prohibited. So, my my daughter was like, "All my friends who just got them for Christmas, they're gonna be really mad."

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>> Yeah. And there's there's not a designation in terms of the type and characteristics of >> Yeah. But >> lot of story. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Exactly. >> So I I wanted to give an answer on the recycling thing because I I actually

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asked my Carter this exact question because we're single stream. They take everything no matter if it's garbage recycling or whatnot. When they when they sort it, they sort out the garbage. They cannot stop people from

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putting garbage in their recycling. >> Okay. >> There's nothing. >> So it is sorted. >> Yes. So So the way they sort it out is I mean he went through this whole thing. It's basically it's not a a fancy process. They literally dump it on the ground at the dumpster and people run in

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and sort it by hand. That's how it's done. It's, you know, ever since the new administration, they're having a problem finding workers. But that's beside the point. But they that's that's exactly what it is. As long as we're single stream, they cannot police it. It's not

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their their job is to card it based on weight. They get paid based on weight. They will they will sort it when it gets to the to the um location. So there is no policing unless you're self. >> The plastic bag is annoyance and I'm

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sure that that's an extra step for them to open it up and then sort it. >> I have one more question. >> Yeah, they don't but they don't care because they're getting paid by weight. So, and you know they're they're paying their people by the day. >> Is there any benefit to dropping cardboard off at the recycling center so

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it's in the pile only with cardboard versus sticking it in your recycling can? Is it better to drop it off at the center with the other cardboard? >> Better is kind of a interesting word because >> well and also like really wants to do it

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are people less likely to drive it over instead of put it in their bins. So being a man and but I'm just curious if >> but I almost see it sticking out of my neighbors on oh I'm going over there I'll just put it I just I'm curious what

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what the like they do they tell people that if you have time if you have the wherewithal it is very much better to drop it off with pile and it's it stays out of >> I feel like people are doing that more inherently now because we have so few pickups like you could get it cleaned

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out pretty consist constantly, but now it's like I don't have the I do not have the room to fit. So, we just get a bunch of stuff. >> You can make that a recommendation on the green. >> Are you talking about me? >> Did I do that today? But I I just do see do people ever just do things because

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it's better for the environment. It's the right thing to do. >> Footprint driving everything. >> You know what's better? put it on your not >> leads on it and then wait until October. So that's

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>> Guys, I thought about one more thing I wanted to say. Um and John just made me think of it when he made a comment at the council meeting on Monday night. Um one of the residents came up and asked why we have fewer DPW staff than our surrounding towns. Um which started an

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interesting conversation. And as I said, I do think that especially because we have 21 Fairman Road coming up, this is the time for us to really evaluate if we can get someone more. Um, but what was interesting was that Chris York reached out to both Rumson and to Little Silver to ask what their numbers are, just so

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we have like a real understanding of what it is. And it turns out, honestly, we're about the same. >> And even and now because of the summer, we have hired four uh part-time. We actually have more in this in the summer. And I can read the numbers, but uh it said we have full so we have 11

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full-time employees, one part-time year round um and four seasonal now. So that's seven total. And then we hired one for this weekends uh for softball for Saturdays. Um and then let's see, I have them here. Sorry, I can't see. Um

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this is from Tim Rogers. I think that's >> I think that's Robson. >> That's Robson. So they have 16 guys plus one part-time guy to clean buildings >> to compare to their open spaces versus how much open space we >> and that's that's it's worth the it's worth the conversation. It just was I

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was very interested to find out like what the actual numbers were compared because um when and I had I didn't know how much they had and he had mentioned that they were like almost double. So it was good to hear that we aren't that. I don't know that. I think that's part of our analysis like things. I feel like

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like they don't think they have as much like open space. Yes. Like things that anything you put on the street rush. >> That's true. >> The ratables are twice. >> Well, they have five ability to pay. It's a little tighter.

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>> So, this is they have five parks, multiple municipal building, you know, properties and buildings. Um they don't they said that they don't have a park guy because one of the things he did ask was because there's been some talk about maybe having someone dedicated to parks. So that was they >> run their sewer system. >> Yes, that's true.

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>> That's true. So if they only have 16 and they're running their sewer system now you're really big. >> Um so then Little Silver has 11 full-time including two mechanics. They have three parks and multiple burrow properties. So yeah, Little Silver definitely has less fewer parks than we do. Um and they do have a shared service

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agreement with the burough schools uh not RBR for their grass maintenance and snow ice. Right. >> So I mean this is kind of >> that's interesting. That's >> so it was good to hear but it doesn't to me doesn't mean like no now we don't need any. >> I think we still do especially with the

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parks and but I also think it'll be interesting to see when Nick comes back to us what they are dedicating their time to like it. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. Cool. Cool. >> Um all right. Any public comments from our Yep. Stephanie,

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come on in. >> Hi. Um Stephanie Adams, I know it's late. I don't know why we're not all watching the Knicks right now. Um I just wanted to ask a question. Um New Jersey

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is still in a decent drought. Um, I saw somebody today watering their hell strip at like 2:00 in the afternoon, like under the full sun. And I'm just wondering, I it doesn't sound like the D

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is kind of mandating uh municipalities to post recommendations. um is that something that's on the radar at the burrow or is that something that you guys um

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are interested in? I don't Kelly, I just texted you the list of recommendations from the NJ DP. I just I see kind of I don't really see people really changing their habits and I don't know, I just thought maybe

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we could the bureau could just make some recommendations. There are no rules right now. >> You guys want to make that recommendation that we put it up. >> You know, Steph, thank you for doing that because as we were talking about what we could put in in focus and what we could put in like calendar-wise, I

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think smart lawn tips, right? I think people should just obviously >> but like be educated about like water your putting your sprinklers on at night or in the early morning. Like those are like smart conservative and guess what? It saves you money, you know? like it

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does more bang for the buck. So is that good for the focus? >> So I mean at 2:00 you're burning off all the water anyway. >> What's the situation? New Jersey American water said anything about that? >> I haven't heard anything. >> We've had ongoing fights with them and and the first of all the water is the

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people of the state of New Jerseys water. It's not New Jersey American water. They're paid to deliver and treat. That's their job. And I had many fights with them because they would complain and say we have a water shortage and there was water in the reservoir. And if there's no water in the reservoir, that is a problem for the

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people of the state of New Jersey. If there is water in the reservoir and they can't pipe it to us because their system stinks. >> That is their problem. They should not shouldn't be putting us under a water moratorium >> if they have don't have treatment capacity. And I say this when I was on council when they had their sewer their

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m sorry their main supply line fail at Swimming River. >> Oh wow. >> And they came to us and said we're pumping into the tent and if we make it by midnight we'll have water tomorrow. >> That's how frail it was and I'm still not happy. But I mean I think we should

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we should we should get an update from them because there is a water shortage. That's fine. when sometimes part of their problem is they have peak period loading when everybody comes down to shore on a hot summer day >> they don't want to put the infrastructure in to serve their real needs and I'm I'm fine if they want to

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put a moratorium on building >> but I don't want to have our residents you know if we put into a water moratorium when in fact the problem is their supply and management system >> I'll check I I have not >> I haven't watched anything that and JCPNL

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>> those ones Because also I I look at them and your equipment and say how old was I >> hear about that? >> Me say that for next meeting >> they have many failures. No, I mean part of it is their job is to invest in their infrastructure to supply our water and also to have treatment that's reasonable

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and pro >> I just don't know we do we know what I mean I don't know if it's a drought condition >> we're currently we're currently >> we're currently under a drought warning which strong calls for conservation however it it it has it's in effect for

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21 counties but there is no blanket statewide mandatory water use restrictions unless your town or water utility imposes their own rules. So it' be on us New Jersey Daut.

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>> We're in check >> whether or not it's supply problem or it is actually a distribution problem. Those are two different things. >> Yeah, supply problem. >> Okay. Um All right. Well, thanks Beth. Appreciate that. Um, I think that could

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be a great thing to put into the information. >> Yeah, I'm just gonna put that right to the list. >> Um, all right. And any other public comments? >> No. >> Uh, can I get a motion to >> Okay, second. Great. All right, we did a

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journ. Thank you all. fresh out.