my daughter's friend here what's going on you great all right let's call the meeting to order this is a regular meeting of the environmental Commission of the burough
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meia let's rise for the pledge pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America to The Republic stand jice for all I like now I heard something about that
those Sunshine laws like do they adap them or they G online or they just like out of business digital yeah it could be online or paper print that would count as a
public no yeah that's interesting though yeah I was just curious because I like it came I was I know I heard on radio or something something talking about it we do St time right can we do both CRT but that's a really great
point a requirement for the but yeah we can double check that I going into the ether that's why nobody's here bro myoll an here Tom Bailey here William dorer
here Kelly Flanigan here Susan globis was due to be absent Jesse Murray here John paletti be absent Gary Patterson here John Peters here also pres councilman La Bara burough secretary
Christy Larson you have a quum thank you so a continuation from the January organization meeting is the appointment of the vice chair so we were missing a few bodies at the January meeting um I think if prob makes sense to open the
floor for nominations once again I nominate Kelly I'll second okay I I also ask if anybody wants to want to be nominated as well like in
addition anyone Mo nominations be closed nominations be closed I'm just looking you know that table I move to I second that close the nomination close itose quick we're getting the bus out Kelly
we're gonna no I if nobody else but I just wanted to hear to make sure I open the floor if anybody else would like to be nominated otherwise we're good we're good Jess all right can we have
a all in favor of Kelly hi hi hi I I have it congratulations thank you thank you all uh the next item on the agenda is the approval of the meeting minutes from January any questions comments
God on the FL motion to approve second there's a second all those in favor of approval I thank you minutes are
approved um current business get right into it uh an update on the ER I can start it up um yeah we had a really great working meeting a few weeks back uh capturing a lot of the comments
that we got from different folks from different L committees um I think we're likely going only need to meet one more time is that it yeah probably one more time and then probably the last thing that will be
needed is um just some formatting so chrisy we're hoping once we have all the edits in you can do some magic and make it look pretty for [Laughter] us an do you have anything else to add um no not really John and I are talking
he's already sent a few Maps through so we gave him um thank you John that was so helpful and so responsive and amazing we've got um yeah they've already we've got a a short list of the ones that we want to include and those are being worked on and um some of them are even
net new so he's getting those done and and then we'll we'll add them in but we we the three of us met uh two weeks ago and we feel like we're in a really good spot we should have one more touch base once we get those maps from John we'll dump them and then we can make it as interactive as possible but it should be
wrapped I would say before the next meeting can I just ask one question an sure um one is I I actually have a map of all the inlets in town if we want do we think we want to have a map of that just just it might be useful what do you think I think the more the marrier yeah
I'll make it up I'll finish it up and I'll make you a copy of it because I actually found a website that has or one of the D or somebody has it so I got to half of it okay that's great than little behind the A on this but I know that the DPW this year brought in their arcgis
license and the mapping software that they have access to so if you want anything additional there they now have like the subscription level it's pretty impressive John has that all I do but it's not a problem let somebody else work and I'm happy to if you guys want
the files I'll happily give you a pile of files from from per no that's great and we've been getting compiling a bunch of photos from um folks around to includ in the ER some updated photos from like around town all different places I know I think Elise
was helping out those so we're incorporating a allot that so like I said I think it should be good to go minus just some formatting to make it look nice by the next meeting and then knowing that it's a living document so if they're already edits or something comes up you know
that we want to add we can always add it once it's uh once it's done let me know we can put it in the council correspondence back perfect awesome yeah cool cool so let's at the next meeting let's plan to have it it'll I think like
adopt it like officially and then we'll put it up on the website the next day or next week are are you guys still waiting on comments from um like members of the Green Team or shade trade Garden Club any of those commissions that you haven't maybe gotten them back yet are they're still outstanding we kind of we
it was open and we were like all right it's we've got to kind of move on it so anything that wasn't included I think it's pretty comprehensive so I don't feel like it's lacking um Jesse you can speak to that more obviously but I think we're we feel like we're in a good spot
we've we've left it open to the groups um we got you know some really good feedback a lot of the mapping Bonnie suggested is what I sent to John so that will be included in there yeah so it's not like it's not it hasn't been vetted by them but I think we need to we set a hard line at our last meeting and we
decided we're we're going to go forward with what we have now so yeah exactly so honestly if anything does come up that we want to include at some point we can always just add okay sorry yeah we want to get it done I get it yeah yeah so great all right any
other comments on the ER before we move on great good job guys almost there um next item on the agenda is sustainable Jersey application you give us an update sure uh so our first round that uh where we
need to submit the application for round one is due February 23rd which is fastly approaching next Sunday uh remember we need 150 points completed for this to happen uh currently we have 85
points done um but I am not worried yet it's just a we have all this information it's just a matter of actually putting in the time and the hour and getting it um inputed in there I know christe's been great she's she's helping out with a couple next week and will be
um we I spoke with Drew earlier we might even you know come up with a time where a couple people can come here and just kind of knock it out um because you know just to get this round one first done we
have currently um the good thing is we have the one that's required is done and completed we have two of our priorities that we need three priority actions so
we'll work on another one um this week and we need eight different categories So currently I have three different categories that have been under the completed so I will continue to work on this I
know there's been kind of a learning curve with some people that have not that have been new to this system um which I'm happy to help guide you and walk you through there or if it just makes more sense for this round one since it's like this week um if you just
wanted to send me documents or information or something that I can just put it up there as well that that can work um I'm happy to talk to you guys after you know make sure you can get on or if you want to or whatever
um so I think that for this round one we focus on completing and renewing the ones that have been expired I think for round two which is due May 16th we have a little bit more time um to if we want
to work on additional actions that we might not have done already or might require a little bit more leg work or um cooperation from other burough channels um and then the final round is due July
31st each round they give you feedback so even if like out of that 150 that we initially submitted and they're like well you didn't really you're missing this point they'll give you feedback and your the Chan is or the proposed how works is that you're supposed to have that those couple
months to fill in the pie of information address the feedback essentially yeah so um so typically with that last submission in July do new things then or is that only making updates to things that have been previously submitted um you can it could
do both I know in the last time we had a uh we were we had like a workshop or something in between that so we put it new and um just make sure that you get everything you know because there's no like if they were rejected in July
there's no recourse to get it added this year uh no no I don't believe so okay let me check that um so in theory you want You' want your second submission as heavy as possible yeah come back and say hey make needed you're good here this
need some help yes for cleaning up everything exactly okay and the current ones right now it just seems like it's pretty much just like revising whatever text is in there and upload loading new do the new documents exactly in those parts which seems pretty intuitive and
it it is it's just it you know literally you know two hours or like an hour and a half and I'm doing this and it's like there's 10 points but that's just like you know a big chunk um yeah so then oh actually yeah you get
it yeah and you get it so you're February 23rd we get return date early April so that's when we get our feedback so even though from February 23rd to early April we still have that time to work on others and keep submitting okay
and then May 16th we get feedback mid June July 31st we get the return date late September and that is your third and final round so you could fix
um no so um obviously I know like I'm I'm willing to meet with people if they have you know issues getting on tech tech problems um but maybe just for this first round we're just kind
of focus on the ones that are attainable and just need a quick easy fix so so do the people who are you're considering in that cat do they know who they are yeah like I will car Phil and and Susan Susan
I will work she's already doing it Bill signed up for the fleet inventory so I'm going to forward him if that's like all the stuff from that um Chris and Nick and over so that he can be on that and look at the the spreadsheet and help out
with that with Excel yeah good very good but it seems like a very complicated self we'll fig out we'll figure it out you know but don't think that this February 23rd has anything to do with that yet you know like focus on
like the May submission well I want to get the information to get the source documents in front of me and I'll look at what you told me as far as other towns how they did it just take all that information and I'll be emailing you along okay great I
may hey yes um um we're GNA leave everything open right so will you go through and and submit things or G talk about that so the the other thing is when anybody is doing something um and
you have you can save it and not finish it like to say I'm just going to save it but I'll come back to it and upload the remaining documents that's fine do not mark it completed until you have all the documents uploaded once it's marked completed an you go ahead if you did
your your narrative and you uploaded those documents Market I will see that tally you know then it will add to our Point tally right now we only have 85 points out of the 150 and I'd love to get that up closer up so you know if you have the farmers market that's another
10 points that would be great I think I sign them for like three different things and probably equals at least 30 perfect yeah and like I said like we could totally all meet here one you know have like a study hall yeah pizza and non-alcoholic woman yeah and
just kind of bang it out if we want to do that like a full late nighter like that's fine te refer that's good too you know and right so chrisy has it up and you can see when you click on which Christy did the um
approved and completed actions you can see we have 85 completed and approved because we still have some that have been approved that are approved all the the time and you can actually see which one so I did Green Team and I did the green Fair those are the ones I did
last week oh I did that and you did that one yeah I just got a couple things from chrisy so I canate what's the difference between this and that Excel she she had the Excel sheet was just internally just who's gonna kind of do yeah and that's
also like you can click on the link up up top and or you know like just has like a a document for us to be like this is completed or we're missing this or I talked to you know Chris he's gonna you know kind of we created it last year
like as a management tool to figure out who we're going to assign people and then also just to show which ones we've done already that just need to be re renewed and which ones we planned on doing and some of these and shows which ones are the priority in the gold star yeah copy that
person but it once you click on the action if if you wanted to um you scroll through you can see the the the side there what to do and how to submit it and then you can also see what
other um municipalities right to here to submit to earn points exactly you just yeah forget to SC you know scroll right to the get to the point there and then it shows you there and then you can go all I like to look at what other municipalities did and you can kind of
look look at what they did and there's great ideas too and just kind of copy and P not Reinventing the wheel here um so once you kind of play around with the site you you understand you know you
get to it becomes more user friendly so um we will let you know right you'll you'll find out and let us know if there's if there's an afternoon or I'm going to connect with Chris tomorrow and you'll shoot me access to the site too yes I'm going to sign you up right now
yeah I want I want to look at Chris if you don't mind hanging back after meeting's over I just want to look through that Excel file to see if there's anything that I know that I could take right away just give him what I know and then uh yeah I love it book in a working session for next
Thursday evening already he was gonna find out I get like a staff resource or like if Betty and like you know but or we can just yeah just because if there's like documentation we need we what we were talking about before was like let's say
there's four of us here there's manual typing reviewing with your eyes right and we can get in some type of cycle like hey let's say you were there per resource hey Sean I I need D documents okay Drew hold on and then Kelly's going all right here you go all right Kelly what do you need right just kind of
create this revolving door getting the evidence and everything so let me talk to Chris tomorrow no no promises but I'm confident we'll be able to do what we need to do to get the 150 done and then we can um rest strategize for the second round due you said May 16 May 16th yeah
yeah and then obviously the the July 31st like that's tough in the middle of the summer people are gone and everything so the earlier that we get the more stuff we get done for the May 16th the better yeah check for sure okay great thanks
team yeah thanks everyone for agreeing to take at least one on on board appreciate it happy to help thanks Jesse all right any other questions about sustainable Jersey in that
process moving oning on um the third item current business I was going to provide a quick update on M Carter Pond if you guys are interested absolutely um so remember in January the timing was we were going to present to
Council in January which we did last week um a couple other committee members were there Billy were there I believe that was right um so it good it was it was a chance to um it wasn't a final product it was a chance to report back
to the governing body what we've been doing over the last several months on the research and kind of where we got to um in the meantime governing body through Drew has provided feedback on that and we're um kind of figuring out
out how to continue the work um that you saw at that that presentation um at the same time we're also getting a couple things um rolling so one of the kind of lwh hanging fruit type items was capturing sediment in the storm drains that feed into mcarter
ponds so we got that process started at the end of last year uh DPW engineering have identified some filters that can go into those storm drains um they're priced they're sourced
um now it's just the process of um you know purchasing and getting them installed that all gets approved so awesome um yes it's good to see some some action and and that would have dramatic input should say it would have dramatic insight into how much actually gets
captured in those storm drains especially like on Buttonwood um you know coming in right there on the that Eastern side so I think it's I think it's a good step um members of marter pond the friends of mcarter pond are in the
process of creating a brochure um to go kind of door too and basically communicate um to everybody um what it would like the the practices that would be beneficial if
everyone could adopt so things like attending to your bulad it's if it's you know in disrepair um Crea a planting buffer between your bulkhead and your lawn um if there's not one already there so
things like that um that's that's an action they've taken on their own they've asked for our feedback so I after this meeting I'll I'll circulate it with everybody so you guys have a chance to see it um if you have comments questions concerns about the way they're they're phrasing it that's what they're looking for they're looking for your
input so you can capture that offline um and then did you have something um Fair Haven Road enhanced and start in the spring part of that includes some infrastructure upgrades as well as pipe
jettison and investigation so if there's data you're looking for for the surrounding infrastructure you might be able to get it when they do it based on the fa Haven Road Project which is supposed to start in March next month March Yeah March April are they looking
at the out flow from the pond as part of that I don't think directly but they're going to Jet Us in they're going to put piping all in there they're going to look at that entire area because that entire area is a hot spot and so as part of doing the Fair Haven Road Project they put in there they call it
televising they call jettison to see what's in there so you know by way of background when they did the same thing on Third Street from Norwood to hands they pulled out 57 ton of debris it's 57 tons
is cleaning what's up yeah and then they video it yeah it's pretty pretty unbelievable yeah so it'll be interesting to see how much sediment is in there so they're going to start blowing the stuff out of the they okay the storm water drains that are on
second on it's a mixture of like the only way what I saw was it's a mixture of a giant vacuum that sucks everything out and then like sand and stuff like that they like power wash it through the drain okay yeah and that's going to start in March that that part of it
won't but the fair Heen Road Project starts in March March April I forget what the exact kickoff is it's in the spring but part of that project right they're repaving from part of that project includes some storm order stuff M Carter and jettison piping cleaning
investigating so if there's additional data from Storm War infrastructure perspective that you're looking for they're already there they're already mobilized it might be possible to say hey we want the data that comes out of that to inform something Carter just get that should probably be one of the first things they do I would
think yeah I don't want yes I I think logically that makes sense but I don't want to quote it without knowing for sure we have our engineer DPW meeting on next Friday so I can find out if you want yeah so um that's pretty much any questions on marter
Pond Bill any comments from the presentation no I don't was great very informative you know broke it down the Cycles you know the four cycles and how it goes and I think it's a a step in the right direction you know you're you're doing the right thing you know it's got
to be done there like any history of what we recently did yes and what it than it was brought up the two Hydro raking and such and such and
yeah we use it as an opportunity to try to kind of tell the the story the right like you know there's a lot of people oh what was done be done and you know specifically with Hydro raking we we kind of went back to the numbers and so you know we we took
what DPW recorded as far as how much material was pulled out we just TR to put that in perspective um that you know it's and I think I even used that table you know that table represents Marden Pond over there you know we took out basically a that piece of paper worth of
material um so yes you know we we hydrate but it doesn't mean we got everything there there also interesting the area we concerned about the uh the south end with the wetlands it's not really Wetlands at this point
right if I stand corrected it hasn't been designated so it's hopefully less restrictive getting it cleaned up well it it just means is that it's a step in the process right have to be mindful of
it um so the committee continues um we're we're still looking at um like I said the the friends are taking up a string as far as trying to work with the neighbors around directly around the pond um and we're continuing to work with professionals
on getting a clearer plan back to to council cool all right um that's it for current business moving into new business so I didn't have anything on the agenda but I I thought I would take a few minutes and
just bring up a topic um so council is going to bring up at their next meeting the topic of open space tax um some council members have asked our opinion on it and so let me just I'll put some context around and then
we'll open up for a discussion um it's been brought up before I mean I don't have the full history but you know we've been around here a long time you know it's it's come up in the past um essentially it is a tax it's a you know it's a it's um it come through the
property tax um and it's a it's a fund that gets opened and created for specifically for the P purposes of of Parks and Recreation um the I guess the conversation that
would be had through Council and the governing body is is there first is there an appetite to have the conversation you know is is there people enough um people in Council that are interested in having the discussion to therefore open the discussion and that's kind of
how I'd like to do it here you know if there's questions and and um you know feelings about it let's kind of get them aired out but ultimately out of tonight just like to understand everyone's temperature and if you guys are open to having that conversation not that we're necessarily committed to supporting an
open space tax but we're open we're committed to having an open discussion about it um so kind of that'll be the context I set I don't know if you want to add anything yeah I'll just add two things right so there is so the workshop
discussion right the governing body doesn't implement the open space tax right what what the resolution would be if the government body went through it is do we want it to be on referendum in November right and then the vote goes to the residents of the town so so it was
supposed to be on the meeting yesterday Betsy had an unfor incident we pushed it two weeks to the right so the there's consensus that it's worth a discussion if we want to put it on the November ballot as a decision to have the tax right and then ultimately it's
up to the residents whether they're for or against it so that's the only tweet the government body only has the approval to say let's let's pose that as a question to the public as opposed to so the government body is not allowed to say we're just tax it's in so that' be the only clarifying piece and we are having it on February 24th the
discussion is on for Workshop that's all I yeah can I just say that we've talked about it for a long time and um you know one of the ideas is we have quite a bit of open space and it's a strain on the budget every year to fit the fit the
expenditures related to open space and the budget and so this would get basically give us a dedicated fund and I thought it was a good idea quite a while ago and I'm I'm happy to hear the governing B's looking to you know move it forward and we're giving the the residents a chance to answer you know
they can decide they don't want to do this and that's fine but you know I thought it was useful to at least give them a chance to to look at it right and make a decision yeah thanks John I'm G agree with John think we need to do
it um we we've got we've required so much open space but we got to maintain it and we're not maintaining it because of the Apparently of funding so I'm open for conversation I think yeah John and I
actually spoke we that was our strategy outline so I don't want to speak for John but after working on this together that was something that we kind of talked about was we are open space abundant and we have no maintenance plan to maintain the things that we have
acquired through the past 50 years essentially as you know recently as a year and a half ago so we need to figure out a better way to start either keep an eye on what we're buying you know I don't know how much there is
left really is kind of also what we deduced but we have to figure out a way to make sure that you know this MAA Pond that is an open space like these things that we we have in our repertoire now are taken care of so um happy to circulate this outline I sent
it to chrisy if it's helpful that's um it's something that we worked on for that strategy so it could be helpful for the the um meeting for the council as well I would love to add the data of what would the budgeted amount be for what we
hold um how that would be parsed out um so this brings up a lot of questions on the open space pre preservation strategy is you know what what is our proposed budget because obviously we're not funding this fully would we fully fund
it I mean these are going to be questions I mean me as a resident if I wasn't sitting on one of these you know councils having this conversation right now one of the questions I would have is okay what are the open space Parcels that we have what is the proposed budget
is this tax going to be a rolling tax where the first you know first year we'll we'll we'll get 25% second year we'll get the 50% third year we'll get the 75 you know on and on um so that it isn't just one big hit you know if we tell everyone it's $25 more a person
that's not as big of a hit as it being you know $2,000 more a person so we could roll it and bring it up so I mean that's not part of our discussion but you know we do need to fund this open space that was something that me and
Anna went head to-head on I mean we even spoke about pausing purchasing for now um but uh you know so those are the questions that I have so so so just two things right just in response to both those comments so John those specific
questions that you raised will be answered at the next governing body meeting and they go into percentages breakdowns what's the funds used for how it's governed Etc um so definitely stay tuned for that the other um point I just
want to respond to just because you have the money doesn't mean you're quick to react and respond with it right so I I also want to make sure that we're we're recognizing the practicality that example the whether
you agreed with them or not the pocket Parks right at gra and Hance that started in 2014 that's when money was first put aside was 2014 so that's 11 years right of time and there was you know x amount of
dollars hundreds of thousands dollars put aside so if what I would what I would challenge everybody to Think Through especially for the conversation 24th is is not only do you agree with an open space tax and if that supports but what
other operational management changes need to take place so that we're actually using the funds in a um from from a timely perspective so things don't get delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed but whaton this also
reduce your Municipal budget since you're getting funds from a different Source this reduce your if you're not dedicating so much money towards maintenance for Public Works you could use that funding since you're getting from the open space tax I would say I
would say yes but I I would say yes but we already don't have enough money in the budget because we're restricted by cap right that would free up some of the money that you're restricted with or whatever that
could come from that funding source so so it depends on how it's it's going to depend and again I don't want to steal Thunder from from the 24th it's going to depend on how the resolution of how you use the funds is
worded right so so how the money is governed it's black and white like they'll if you look at Middletown for example right it's very clear with what you can and cannot do with the well what you can do with the funds so all of that has to be baked out right right so that
the money actually goes to what's intended to right yeah and I would hate to see something that's prior planned be be that money be used for something that's already in in the works because I think that residents like you said well we want to work quickly to show
residents a return on that tax yeah copy that you'll get a lot of insight the 24th with all the research that's been done yeah no understood I I'll state tuned okay Susan well what you have to understand is there hasn't been money
set aside to do repairs all you have to do is look around so I'm not sure that you're going to save anything out of the municipal budget by doing this although I am in favor of an open space tax
definitely let me use an example so um in in the natural we probably all visualize in the past DPW goes in and lays out wood chips right so that's part of their operational day right some of their hours are are just sunk into
putting those wood chips around the pths right um that's a maintenance task there's also a maintenance task of hiring an arborist to come in and clear out a a large section right so we now
would have the versatility to decide what of those maintenance tasks would come out of the open space SP right would get charged to the open space versus the municipal budget and there was also though like now especially being on the marter pond and also
talking about Normandy and living Shore lines for a very long time it's like there are critical steps first steps that are being hindered because we don't have that operational money um so by having a funding source
to get those updated engineering plans I know dorm is different because there's litigation money set aside but something like that that can help get those get get it started so then you can apply for Grants and apply for funding and I think that that often
is what the holdup is when it comes to the burrow and having to find out of the general budget it little bits of money because it's not on everybody's top priority it's not that it's necessary and so it kind of gets push back push back push back so a funding like this
would allow for these small these projects to just get because now there's funding for right and then we can apply for Grants or other funding yes but at least I'd rather yeah I'd rather look at our operational debt than look at operations
we're already doing so things that we don't we you know that we're indebted to because we haven't been able to do because of the the the the budget I have to ring off for another meeting but I I will be happy to spend all afternoon talking about
this you know the question is what happens is by having the open space tax you have a dedicated fund for these particular activities correct you're duking it out with everything else in the budget everything from Police salary to collection to this to that and so
that yeah whatever it is you name name your favorite thing it all comes together in the budget whereas you now takeing subset out this is going to be for open stat now we're going to argue inside of open space what we're going to do and that still be a brawl but at least it's a brawl that's going to say
at the end of the day we're going to spend X let's assume 150,000 a year say if it's I think a one cent tax or something like that and that's what you would be doing so so so John real quick right just to LEL down on that yeah that's why it's important not only to think about support of the tax but also
think through how you going to operationally manage it so that you don't get stuck in a period in this cycle where things don't get done for 10 12 years right yeah I can give a story about that J I'll give a whole story about the Waterfront pox and it's not about money I'll tell you that cuz I was there with the money the whole time
that's exactly my point right like yeah that was that was a that was a a will issue and people jump in the line to totally get it but I just want to make sure that's the kind of stuff you got yeah no absolutely all right but I'll be happy to if you want me to chime in on it please just yell at me I'll happily
chime in got a run sorry great thanks John great all right any other comments for I think it's a great idea so we're generally feeling we're supportive of council taking like you knowbury has one Middletown has like you know a lot of
municipalities have it especially when we have a lot of open SP we right and the reason why people love Fair Haven is because gota take care of it can I ask a couple questions right ahead do you mind yeah no I was going to sh I was going to
just say what I what I shared with with Betsy but I can do that after the just just roll this page how big is fa when Grand more more more 2.1 square miles 1.6 square miles is land5 square miles
is water how many acres is fa roughly know the come on% is thank you land my yeah there you go I think it's actually more than that but yeah the bur has like 10% is that number that I don't know but
that's from the that's from the master more open I like to bring that up right because I like to come in in facts right if if eight I think it's 10 but if 8 to 10% of the 1.5 square miles that's land is open space and whether that includes the Waterfront right whether it includes
Creeks probably ends up being a little bit more than that you know do we need a dedicated budget to that 10% of town right absolutely and I just I like grounded in the data and how much are we currently spending on our budget on that you're not like probably less than 10 you're asking the right question now you're asking is it proportionate right
love it good thank you for entertaining me now just like a sidebar I mean like you know even with the Ed Foundation certain that we put in there that 1% of the funds are going to go to like greenscaping Landscaping because it's it's
very often it's the first neglected right it's not the most pressing thing but if you don't let the land and everything else the Open Spaces go to the Wayside you you know like it it just becomes ignored and forgotten about so it's just I I just think that it's it's
really important and critical to kind of put that into our plan and our budget plans that it's there is always a fund there and we're even seeing it with mcarter par pond it's like how are we going to come up with the money for the hydro raking and then people are like what about schanker or you know everything else all these other things
how come you're not ignoring this and it's like who's to say that mcarter pond is more of a priority than schanker and you got 21 fa I mean the list go so it's and you know I understand like yeah it could be like an internal flight but at least if you had some dedicated funding
to just that smaller sub subset you know and so that and so John you brought up a good point and Drew I thought what you talked about earlier it's basically what I shared with Betsy was from my point of view and and the experience was how do
we present this to the public so I don't know that anyone is going to say yes let's let's increase taxes like so I I think you have to have a conversation about you know let's put this in perspective numbers is a great way of doing it so I H you know there's some different ways of doing it a penny a
half a penny a half a penny is $60 roughly per per household and it gets us about $150,000 a year and that's $150,000 a year by all of us kind of like passing around a half put in 60 bucks it doesn't seem like a lot you
know but it's it would be meaningful to be able to allocate that for year or start to accumulate a portion of that so every 3 five 10 years you might have uh you know a bigger investment aside from the numbers and I'm speaking as a
resident but when we had a council member that was doing a facilities project he got the town involved and it's a public relations thing so he called the councilman Drew had presentations and he showed the people what the benefits were and he got the
feed back so I think that's what we need to do is get the town involved with these presentations Sal town I mean you did a great job with the DPW and police station you know it was great on Sideways people said I like this oh I hate this we like to fence this but you
sell it to the people they saw what they're getting that's and that's and I think that's the missing Peak so if you just go out and say should we raise a tax you have to come out and say no how are we going to spend it how going to manage it this is our pre and what do you think
and like what Drew did was fantastic with the police station and DPW people loved it I I think highlighting all the Open Spaces on a map too if a map of the bur fa Haven every you know all these everything in
yellow is open space well it opens up it does you know just like to show it you can justers send it out on like social you could just be like here it is and currently we have no dedicated funds to this and 10%
of your town is open space right you know they're like oh I didn't know that yeah already put the spot no no listen I I think it's going to be a great conversation on the 24th and I think there's going to be even more data
points right that's going to help inform the decision right right right you know and again I don't not I don't want to get ahead of myself in any way but I think having the discussion let's have disc let's just having the discussion and if Council says yes go
for it and the taxpayers after all the presentation say no well you did what you you do but give the residents the taxpayers the opportunity to see what we can do well right and I think that that's a good clarification that you guys you're only voting to whether to
put on the referendum or not it's up to the towns people to have be educated about it understand what the issue is and why this is being brought up and that that's that's the hard part though and listen somebody's going to say another tax I don't you know yeah but
that's why like it's it's education like you know and all right so going up since you brought it up right going off of like the PD stuff and all that you provide all the information abut and at the end of the day does does does the pro outweigh the con right right that's the assessment that every resident needs
to make on their own right and so but if you present all the data all the information the educate all aspects of it like how many people use Fair fields for recreational events how much of this is being used how much of that all this data is out there it's
like oh wow this is wonderful you know it's all positive your positivity on this not really you should speak next week to You're Gonna Be or in two weeks bills all right I'll put him on this B Bill's a dark horse
man he has he has so much experience it's phenomenal so don't let him fool you he came out a couple times in those presentations with some great curve balls man come on you in a good way a positive way POS way was a positive
absolutely no but it's all about selling the product and if it's sold people will go for it so and I'm glad you finished with that I think that's where I'd like to see us take a a positive role in this process advocating for the spaces
advocating for our open space properties advocating for I don't want I want to find another word other than tax but advocating for a fing the funding you know anjac has a bunch of stuff on them too that's a good res like if anybody wanted to look into
the anj resources and uh they could even you know I just doing my own background research I I saw some older reports but um cool they would you know I'm sure they would even be happy to talk to you about other you know what's worked what
hasn't that they've seen you know like in other ways or try to get it out or what it can be used for like they're just a good resource true y yeah good point all right um we good anyone else on the phone want to add in um are we talking about new business we're just
going to wrap up okay that one is there any you want to bring up something after that another piece of cool so I'm going to report back to council and where you can to Betsy we're supportive of the conversation yeah feel free to have the dialogue with her yeah all right thanks guys
right there something you want um yeah so uh we've received an email today I don't know if you had time to look at it um from yeah right not not a lot of time to process no problem I just um just from a a student can I talk about yeah I
think so so okay um Quinn rap who is uh working with clean ocean action in their Seal program and part of his culminating project would like to do a small ring Garden in town um and he looked at the Rucker study which Cindy in from Clean o
action was um affiliated with and helped put that study in that of all the places in fairen um and he just is happy to come talk to us if we want to have him come into one of our next meetings but um
suggested just briefly either in front of like the metaflow area or martial arts center but he would you know go out and get support and fund it and just wanted to see if we wanted to collaborate the EC or the green team um
but anyway he he would beat him and his um Co student um or I was going to pick cooworker but friend that's also in the program would be willing to come speak to us more about this wanted to bring that to your attention have have you or anyone else already
like looked at those locations and them out or ruled them in or those are known locations from the 2017 records that that you have right there m yeah um the problem is you know martial arts that area is private land and so that's why we had difficulty or we weren't kind of
promoting that um did anyone the landlord no um but but like he said you know he would be willing to do that and you know and and make all those arrangements and steps um but just wanted to know we wanted to collaborate you know asking more information Etc but
could they do something at the new police station or DPW that's L I was going to turn chrisy ask about that I I'd have to ask Tech technically it's not our site right now technically it's the gc's they
own all liability maybe after it's done I'm saying after they're done is that another it's a possibility it's another POS cell for the town for open space and yeah I mean it's possible right we talk through the community center Fields right because it's in can I can I can I ask a silly question though and this is
a learning moment for me [Music] um besides a rain Gard what other types of green infrastructure projects could somebody do like a lot of times I always hear about a rain Garden right I feel like it's like the default but there's
so many other green infrastructure options out there so is there any value in discussing what those options are and where they're applicable well then you would have just on a larger scale so you'd have like a biosil right like you would have um so a rain guarding that
seems it is more small scope that's attainable it is attainable achievable it's not nearly as costly you don't need engineer they discussed them actually in here all the yeah all the different typ of you know
some of them are just like impervious uh yeah pavement or just having the uh you know to Barrel instead of to the ground you know like I think the fire department is on is one of the sites on here where
where they suggested that I think they're yeah roof drainage instead of just going out into the parking lot River goes you know they could have some kind of rain barrel SST like you know I know
it takes a lot of water to wash a fire truck but you know they they can you know I think they suggest like collecting water using it for other purposes that's helpful yeah I think there's plenty of areas and and well a
rain Garden though serves two purposes right because you're also building habitat like pollinators and you know other things like that rather than just the rain barrel which rain barrels are super important too I mean we put the garden out in CLE Elementary School and there would put a ring Barrel as well so
that they they had access to the water um yeah and if he's open to doing something but maybe not necessarily married to the to that know you could break it up into the two right you got like Kelly said it's kind of two for one
you know we could do we could propose or or suggest you know there other opportunities for pollinator Gardens along River Road um I think with clean ocean action it's it's about storm water as I'm sure that's why like yeah support this you
know for storm water retention two things come in mind real quick right I'm just shooting from the hip one when they do Fair Haven Road there's going to be a new um landscaped area green area I'll call it where the by the burall parking lots you know the parking lot right here
how it's all asphalt and it's tough and everything I know they're doing something there so that might be a potential option we could talk through and we could just say hey finish it and then hand it back to the town um PD Community Center DPW those are definitely contenders as well so so the
um am church is also on that um uh report and so Ann and I had actually talked about possibility especially like after they've been so kind to allow us to park in their parking lot during this construction and everything like perhaps doing
a ring Garden there that is on there and like it's just Community project and if you rain bar if to catch the rain off the roof that's yeah it's a home R um so that was one thing right Anna that we were talking about and just trying to you know because we were saying that the
environmental commission we would like to do more be more active like we talk about you know but we can demonstrate how you can do these types of things um we can make it a learning experience Community project kind of come out and get out and show you that
you can do this in your own yard as well and so we had talked about some of these different sites and and opportunities or possibilities that we could do um obviously mcarter Pond we discussed in that area as well yeah um I love it you let me know
whatever need from me part of the conversation I think there's definitely something to do yeah yeah RF each student reached out today so yeah that's where we're at no love it I love it no rest we in great so we could always invite them if
he wants to come next meeting or maybe you know more okay all right that's it for new business anything any other topics uh the last area was administrative items um I had one sort
of announcement um so with all the reorganizations that happen in January you know new members coming on to boards not just ours but others um you know it came up a little bit earlier but anytime you need you need something from here you know from the administration you
know it's it's always the front door is always Chris um and if you copy me it'd be even greater better you know to get to get clarity to get visibility I catch up with Chris on almost a weekly basis with action items that are just kind of
hanging out um and so if I know that You' reached out to him about a ring Garden about something else about the ERI whatever it happens to be um you know our groups be pretty good but I know our volunteer base continues to grow and and just make sure you you know
just remind people of that that we don't go directly to like a Nick or a rich you know the bough professionals to go through Chris so announcement um and then the final topic was uh strategic um plan and and next steps there
um first I want to thank everyone for you know raising your hand and volunteering for one of the four topics uh assignments went out um I hope you guys had a chance to to meet up with your partner at least talk with them a little bit and brainstorm it sounds like
Anna and and John are setting the pace um with with them their work which is great um but I thought we'd spend a little bit of time here tonight um briefly chat like maybe some of the the highlights from your particular area what you guys
discussed um and figure out how we get from that to more of a a plan of action that I think will be a very important input into the open space tax conversation coming up you know in a couple weeks where we start to identify
these are the areas that that are really important for us at a at a priority level and therefore here are these projects how they align back to those priorities so Anna and John I know you guys are already toping at the bit to to share do you guys want to get us
started yeah sure so um John's on a cruise that's not his normal situation so he's in the middle of where are you John the Caribbean I'm about 300 miles off of Cuba at the moment we are floating but
uh so go to DC yeah he's so we've been kind of just we've been working on Google basically for the last few because he's just been legit all over the world so um we were just collaborating and and putting some ideas together that we had
so the outline that was up on the screen before um I sent it to Christy earlier I'm happy if she wants to send it to you guys whatever it is but it's um a compilation of some of the ideas that John and I had mostly and I'll just stay high very high level because we are this
sounds like it's going to be a a pretty um comprehensive conversation in the next few weeks which is wonderful this can act as some um if we can you know if you guys want to add some advice and feedback into it as well this can act as some sort of recommendation that the EC
would have if everybody agrees on it if not wherever it serves fit but we just talked about the fact that we do have a lot of open space um the maintenance has been a tough thing to nail down it's
probably you know a thorn in everyone side it sounds like this potential um referendum could help solve that so that's I hadn't heard of this before tonight so that's a wonderful piece of information um we just we go over some
of the zoning and developmental controls especially with the change the updated update to the master plan that's on the um Horizon we need to make sure that anything uh in that is is includes the protection of the open space that we have so the pocket parks are one thing
um this the new Fair Haven Road Park obviously all of Fair Haven Fields um with that you know uh John Jonathan Peters is he's going to have some really good maps that we can include in any presentation that goes to council for the the tax so this can kind of all um
coexists together um and then kind of from what Kelly was saying and John jump in at any but you know we need to start collaborating with our local businesses we need to make sure that our fire department looks as we want it as a town you know in terms of what the what the Landscaping looks
like I think that's a great way to do it the police station all of these places that are being you know that are kind of the backbone and the staple of the town they can include some of the environmental aspects that we see fit so those are our ways to highlight it
um John and I kind of were just offline talking about the quick things that we could do at the fire station we got to run it by them but it could be came up in the last fire it came up in the last fire meeting that you know the Landscaping at the firehouse is woefully
taken care of because it's just not one of our our main things to think about and we've got that one holly tree that I think has wrecked at least two of our cars this year so everyone wants that gone but there's all those little patches of of land that have not been so
that that could be one of the projects for student I mean we'll gladly believe me we'll gladly give them a piece of land or even the rain barrels you know the rain barrels are a very good idea we use a lot of water so I think kind of to summarize
I've been thinking about this for a while just because um we visited Burlington Vermont not so long ago and they had a um Park Recreation and Waterfront group and so we are we are in that direction of our Waterfront should
be part in my opinion of our Parks and Recreation Department because it's it is what makes Fair Haven unique it should not be um it should it should be included in any of the grants that are received from that department it would
be an easy it's not like it's you know we're not trying to put a square piece in a circle I mean that is part of our of our makeup as a town so um if we continue to uh develop these Parks they need to fall under someone who who takes care of them now I think we're seeing
this play out um in real time especially you know at the end of den Normandy you know that's just kind of like we have this park but what are we doing with it it should not fall um you know solely under DPW we need to have plans for these things and uh it's great that we keep acquiring them but if we have no
maintenance plan we're just going to be in this cyclical issue for the next however long so that I think was from doing this research was my my big recommendation and John didn't have any you know red flags with it so you know again I'm not
going to speak for him but I do think we need to figure out a way to incorporate the Waterfront into more of a holistic approach to how our parks are looked at and I think rolling the Waterfront in would actually support residents well would help residents support of attacks
yeah I think people are more interested in our preservation of the Waterfront and the parks together as opposed to just open space you see where I'm coming from um well it's also it's also waterfront property that is theirs
and it's not privately owned it is the it is the towns so we have to make that we have to keep that if you've been to the Blackberry Park I believe it is over in um Oceanport you know they have a really beautiful launch and they have kayaks you can rent and those are the
types of things that the town has um preserved for their for the people so I just think it would be a logical step to include that in our overview of the parks and W Department anyone would complain about you putting money into our
launch just to be honest so John Anna I mean it sounds like you guys to spent a little bit of time um this is great you know one of the the questions I had for you guys um have you been able to kind of drill down to a set of objectives and
and if you have that's those second and third questions you know what does the burrow need to do to support those and and what do residents need to do have you did you guys get to that level yet haven't shared it with Anna more than what we put in there go ahead ad I'm sorry no that's okay
there's this document I mean take a look at it we do have like what the zoning board can do what the grant writing team could do planning board and what we as an EC and the Green Team could do um so that's in the burrow support for open space preservation Tab and then
um we talked about uh like just the overall goals so protecting and enhancing natural habitats strengthening Community engagement through advocacy and conservative conservation initiatives those types of things as well are you can find them in there I drill down a
little bit further I drilled down a little bit further but I was afraid to share because I didn't know if I went too deep so if you want me to share more I've got more because I went into what you know what what properties we have I started do my own little map that they talked
about tonight um and I thought maybe I had went a little too A Beautiful Mind so I kind of backed off but I have a whole bunch of stuff that I didn't share all right well I think it probably makes sense to then share it if you guys are at a point where you want some
feedback you know share it with me at least or share it with all of us and and we can do that okay I'll be back in front of a computer in two days until then I'm lucky this phone works right
now awesome that's great has any questions all right um did you and John have a chance to connect on Shoreline unfortunately not so I think we'll have to wait till the
next meeting to hope we'll be all get together before and get some new deals together I think it's good the two of you guys have a lot of that knowledge yeah absolutely it work well yeah no I think I think the pair of us together will be be good that
between both of our backgrounds so okay yeah um and then do you have a chance to connect with Susan uh just briefly because I was traveling she was traveling um and we honestly we were connecting more on St Jersey she was having difficulty logging in and
everything but she's been on a mission with that so um but I think just as my own own feedback here a lot of sustainable property management for both private and public properties um corresponds and relates to like friends
at mcara Park so working with Al and working with those recommendations because whatever we um are suggesting for people in that neighborhood a lot of it's going to overlap with this but I do think that like having as much education you can be
about there for how to be more sustainable with your own property management like native plans with some of trees you working with the shade tree commission too where they recommend some of the storm water capture that you can be doing so even if we were to do a rain garden and actually having like
education um come out and learn how to do it volunteer with us as it um on there as well so definitely for um like the natural Landscaping part of it and and we have a storm water brochure that
we did last year um and so using that as a guide too to kind of upgrade and um update as well but it gives like green Barrel imperious you know pavement um ring Garden other things that you can do
as a homeowner um but then part of it I know that it was here from the presentation was advocate for energy efficient upgrades um in the community and at bur Hall and I think one of the important things is that the burrow if we are going to be educated on this I
think the burrow needs to be a leader both in the Landscaping realm but also in here as well and I know that we've had you know an energy fellow that has done some work for us and when was the last time this place has been audited
and see where we can have upgrades for our Energy Efficiency that can also be good on our energy bills but save us money Etc so you know like little things like that and working with the burrow um I obviously DPW and police station are going to Community Center
are going to be much more efficient because of upgrades in technology now but other places like that you know work can change another good starting point might be as part of the facilities project we had an environmental consultant come in when we did the whole
Solar study right so right we can get that all the information everything comparison that might be also good start on there yeah and you know just like thinking or so right we've been talking about like that solar too but also uh
like EV there's no Poli in town to charge an EV on public property yet yet so the infrastructure at the PD parking lot is being laid for Ev and the reason that they didn't that they're not installing the terminals is because they're waiting they municipalities are
waiting for the state government the state guidance come out on what type of EV what does it look like but there's eight EV stations being put in at the um parking comp okay for public for so that's for public as well not police
utility four four for the public four for police vehicles cuz there's even there was even chatter at the time that they're going to have police vehicles go fully electric police vehicles all the infrastructure is L in the infrastructure's on site all the underground wire and all that stuff there so it'd be good for us to like level set on that like dive into it if
you want okay great cool so just just a couple thoughts the you know the the priorities that were that were originally suggested or just that suggestion so really it's up to you and Susan to get together I like you two on that topic because of her professional
background your experience like you said the the brochure I think that type of I I want us to be more thinking about we want to set the tone right so if someone walked in and said hey I'm building a house or I'm renovating my
house and I want to make sure I do a lot of the right things like I would almost want like a quick one pager that said you know if you're think like if you're deciding between this and this do this if you're deciding between this and you know things like that almost i w say idiot proof but like really simple but
it can be also complete you know like kind of touches on in that that property side of things is is is a pretty wide aperture for lawn it's for plantings it's for the home it's for your driveway um I really I think it's great that you
two have that one because it gives you I think you guys are a good match for it so don't feel constrained by those objectives that I that I provided or Su I provided you as starting points use them as starting points and and go from there um and ultimately you already know
some of those individual it's like almost at the project level like the assessment of energy things like that don't hesitate to just grab that from either history or know things that we want to do and get that mapped so like if we have an objective here are one or
more projects I'll put that in quotes like that okay would get us further along that that objective sure hey you guys storm Walker did you have a chance to connect yeah yeah we did you know email a little bit the
email I mean you it's not in that whole stack of paper the binder binder is the old stuff this is white today bring my phone well I mean so that you know the
first topic was to identify and opportunities to reduce imp perme impermeable surface um so you know I mean I found
study right um so that's a good place to start you know they identify these different locations um you know I I think that the problem is that all of these you know
uh mitigation ideas cost money right so you know so I mean if you go to you know Bo and Bo in one of the properties like like so if you go ask them or
present this to them they're gonna say you know it's going to cost this much money who's going to pay for it right um you know some of the other ones like you know like the Knights of Columbus was one which I I approached them a
while ago about this and um you know there were a memble to it you know they but you know they said well we've been looking into upgrading the or you know redoing the parking lot it's really
expensive but when we do redo the parking lot we would we're you know we have no problem like reducing the size of it the yeah the size of it you know um you know particularly there like one little area there on Third Street where
you come in and where the right I think I think the people people who live next door actually park there yeah there's some that but they make a donation so that so they're okay um you know so I mean you know we can
approach everybody on this list and you know one like mentioned I think one of them is the PRI Department you know they you had a couple of simple simple ones there like like the rain barrel you know so
um now I have a question what is the difference between storm water capture and storm water management because not all you can capture it in the rain barrel but you can also manage it by slowing the flow right diverting so the thing is in other
words what are we doing the capturing or the management because there was a set the thing that we had to watch the Youtube thing had 45 minutes of storm order management and that listed all the things did like that you could do so how
is that different than storm order capture see I can't grasp storm order capture versus Storm order part of it right I would say I would say don't get hung up on the title I'm looking at the slide right now like in the description of priority number
three it says Innovative storm water management practices right so that because when you threw me said thre me for the loop it's like what am I capturing and and that's I see them I see the maintenance the management end so when I saw the YouTube video I says
oh these great ideas a lot of it keeping it on site you know with the with the uh the pavers for example the town is putting in all these sidewalks concrete sidewalks maybe the town should put in Pavers you know as something as a step
because that's one of the recommended things you know so it's great and I think a couple things I I heard already so I think where you have an opportunity here to help shape this for all of us right is there's been a lot of council us screen team probably others have have
talked about it right and i' I'd love to see us again kind of get out front and Lead if we can but I think there's a lot of institutional understanding from Council as well right so don't hesitate to go through Drew or through others to get some to get some further insight as
to what's already being done right my my suspicion is we're going to attack it from a couple different ways we're going to attack I think you two are going to your groups are going to link a little bit with the individual property owner you know where she looking at and her and Susan are
looking at things that are will be applicable to me as a homeowner one of them will be do I capture the storm water that comes off my my right and so you guys will have a little bit of a link there I think you're going to have a link with our our Municipal process
around um the the building process absolutely right so when it when you just brought it up when Knights of Columbus decides to go for their plans to get approved are they doing the things that
we collectively as a town but we collectively out front leading are they doing the things that we want them to be doing well how many houses in this town get bought and get knocked out and they're building all these new housings you know that's a perfect opportunity for storm water management to and you
know you you you see the YouTube video and how much that water is coming from these sites so if you keep it on those sites we're going to reduce the other problems we're having the flow is going into the river so when when we have new development there
are things that they get checked for like a sistern or a capture and we're not major development because that's over one acre but I'm just saying these minor developments if the town could say okay that water instead of the water coming from the gutter going to the
street has stay on that property so just to add just some and you and I should have a deep dive conversation right because I could spend hours talking about this specific to the example you're talking about okay new construction all of the runoff from the roof has to be kept on property right
okay that's an ordinance as of now okay there is the question though of whether or not the site can handle it right so when you go through that process you have to you have to do test pits you have to see where the median board table is and your site actually not your site but like the perb your site might not be
able to handle the water in and recharge it back into the system right now with additions that isn't the case with additions you don't have to the net new square footage of your roof there's a way to you calculate the runoff in the
storm water you don't have to add in you know a dry well or some other type of green infrastructure where it kind of infiltrates back into the water so there there's a lot here there is a difference between management and capture and there's core principles of storm water management so let's spend some time if
you guys want more than happy with Sean knows Kelly knows I'll spend six hours with you guys if you want right like and we can go into it I can give you some practicality with it it's fascinating okay it's fascinating we get into the infrastructure and how old the infrastructure in Fair human is we could talk about the new Atlas ratings right
and how the new D storm Nows right I mean there's so much uh when's a good time I'll text you okay as long as there's coffee involved and it's in the morning I I'm not early but you want to do like 6 6:30 let's go oh 6 o'clock works for me
done my day starts at 4:30 you off for 6 a.m. coffee I said six hours he looks at me and goes like this yeah I'm I'm open this was remember where we're coming from guys right the context of this was September
Workshop Green Team others involved these were the four if it if let's just say storm water management let's go back to that if if Council or a group of people are already doing something and
we're being you know we don't need to be redundant we don't need to go we should be looking at Green Space white space where can we be additive to the process right but you know the thing is the town has the town has their they're they're W their study there's
you know there's a thing it's on the website of what to do but the people don't know it so a lot of it is getting that information out there and that might be one of your your career objectives under here and so that too was like the premise of the storm water brochure was also to try to give
homeowners because there is a green buildings checklist that you that on sustainable Jersey like we were thinking like how do you make your home especially these new homes and these more green or or sustainable and um so one the the idea that started this storm
water Brer was to give somebody that's easy easy options that you can do and instead of just doing a sstn or a drywall like you could also do like the rain capture or the rain Gardens or the rain you know different types of
driveway little yeah I mean this a storm water pollution prevention plan there is a municipal storm water regulation program so these are the things that but you know no homeowner is going to go and read that stuff well that's the thing and they don't know it's there mean all the stuff is on the web but if
somebody went in front of zoning or you know had that you give them the package or did something then you give a easy like these are just recommended you're not we're not enforcing it but these are well maybe they should be enforced when someone KN a house down and wants to build a million house that these are the
things that you want to move forward with I think that's where you have the latitude of and the thing is you can't do that addition well then you have to go before the planning board for variant or you do something else you don't get that addition you know and people don't
realize too I mean just like cutting down the trees in their yard I mean what that does the storm water as well how much a tree takes up and you know it brings on to the next thing of deer management because you know you're saying okay deer they're they're we all love deer but they're killing our trees
but we need the trees for storm water management right so a catch 2 the hot one so yeah I like I like that it's sitting with you guys because I think you guys will give it a set of eyes a fresh set of
eyes um so for from what I would like to see for March is um I I want you guys you and your partner to really put your fingerprints on what the objectives are it doesn't
have to be very like don't have to come up with like five six seven like it's it's narrowed down to like one two or three and like these are the ones we really want to we think are the most important and we want to focus on one of them that's great but I'd like to get us to a point where we are taking kind of
high level strategy and connecting it to to to to kind of very tangible projects um I think this will help us tell that story bill that you brought up how do we sell an open space tax how do we sell the importance of
funding our spaces if we have can really kind of connect strategy with projects I think we go a long way in that that make sense guys I love the idea of the objectives I love that that that funneling of it right it's tangible
it's something that we can see so I think it's fantastic and I think it gives us a Common Language to then interact with other other bodies whether it's other ECS like Rumson wants to connect and and kind of interlock on objectives whether it's you know what
should the Green Team be worried about or focused on like if we can kind of say hey here are the things that we think are really important you know which one those are exciting to the Green Team what are what's exciting for um The Garden Club to get involved in awesome
that's where we want to go all right um that's the agenda anything else from you guys before we start to wrap up comments from the public not right now W this is it I public sure I think
you guys doing a great job super excited so keep up with good work it's a good CH like the energy is fantastic I love it it's exciting actually one the was was the community center with
the tennis court and everything should be looked at you know from a marine perspective I'll send you the uh facilities PowerPoint from last night we hit on that last it could you send me that on Landscaping do you care if I take 30
seconds no no um you have to leave 5:30 light um landscape yes okay but we have a a robust Landscaping plan for Community Center DPW PD even fish travel this point because we're going to be out
there but what we talked about was that because of the age of our storm water infrastructure um and because of the new rates of storms in today's standards for me there's neighborhood storm water
issues it's not a single house issue right it's not like my property is the only storm water issue properly right their neighborhood issues so with that being said um there was originally going to be two storm water systems on fish chapel and
what the professionals have guided us towards is that we only need one on fish chapel and fish Chapel becomes a net zero impact in the neighborhood meaning all the water from the parking lot goes into a bio retention system if we want to have a material
impact we need a regional storm water system and where does it go goes where the tennis courts used to be um you ever notice that the tennis courts back Community Center always had a crack in it yeah yeah fourth order Creek goes underneath it so this is it's never been they never did geophysical surveys so I
can't say definitively the assessment was that because water runs under it it just constantly yeahand extracts all that so brought last night Community Center is a phase two meaning after PD the community CER and fish chap are done
then you shift to the concept the design phase and all that for the community center fields and where you have the greatest material impact at storm water reduction which means I want to make storm water disappear that's what we want to try to we want to try to make water disappear right so you got you put
a regional storm water system right there and there are countless ways to do this Rich start to go into them you can have underground retention system so you don't lose space on top you can have bio retention L it's at Fair hidden Fields right right behind the concession stands so what you're talking about tennis
courts storm water I'll send you the Powerpoint from last night some information from two years ago once the PD commun Project's over that's the next focus and you can apply for the grants up to I think they're up to three4 of a million now for open space grants um
every year you can apply for so in other words the water from that site is staying on site the stor the storm water from that f chapel and even PD but I don't want they have its own separate system stays onite and and that's the goal of stor storm water management the
ultimate goal that is one goal right but the thing is in other words the more water you can keep on site is the less water that River correct and that's the end goal correct and the standard now is to build systems for 100e store right
it's called the right so I think that would be the objective how do we keep the water onsite correct even at DPW they at DPW fix enti catch B system so all the water stays there right that helpful I think it's great
cool yeah I'll forward to is there a reason why um the new accessible playground wasn't considered for the new playground at the community center how me are we talking the Jake
law Grant because CU that one was just replaced the commun Cent playground was replaced recently it's not going to be replaced as part was P for years oh yeah that wasone like five years ago yeah yeah no so the the
basketball courts have been have been well maintained at Community Center Fields the playground is recent don't call me on the ears I don't know it is recent um but there have been we've been wanting to plant trees in there but that's all correct until all the work is
done because there's you know they put on all the drainage in there but I right just the issue of like shade too like that that playground is unbearable 100% I go back to the heat map right yeah that hilarious that I answer your question I don't know if I okay cool but
that yeah that was recent I more recent than the ones that like in the last years like you could still replace the pieces with it right the one of Carter you can't replace the pieces anymore right that's one reasons why I don't but yeah anything else
guys all right let's call tonight Mo motion motion to close motion to close thank you second you can second your motion no I can't rules