I just saw bet might not be able to make it okay everyone ready yes all right all the meeting to order this is a regular meeting of the environmental Commission of the Bureau of Fair Haven in accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings
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remained continuously posted as required under the statute with adequate notice having been given the environmental commission secretary is directed to include this statement in the meeting minutes great stand for the
pledge un States of America stands one nation God indivisible for all good evening guys good to see everyone um Chris you want to help us with roll call
Bailey pres Kelly Flanigan pres Anna Anin here William Dorner AB Susan here Jessie Murray John paletti here Gary Patterson absent John Peters
here also president councilman lar burough secretary chy Larson you have a Corin thank you uh first item on the agenda is last month's meeting which were circulated by email any comments or
questions can I get a someone make a motion to approve motion second thank you all those in favor say I I all those oppose thank
you cool let's go into current business so um just a couple items to touch base on the ER if they're a a meaningful update I believe that it was circulated right Christie the latest version um we
did some formatting and brought it up to speed in terms of resolving some of the comments that were in there there's still little more content that needs to be done but what it looks like from a visual standpoint is
probably what it's going to look like going forward so um it's a real document now so then we just have to um I think some of the Jesse's already been in there um in the word doc so then I'll transfer it over to the final document that I've been working on okay and then
um we have to go through and yeah yeah some of the figures that sort of stuff but it's pretty much yeah it's getting there so if you had a chance to look at it would love your feedback on the visuals and all that stuff so okay sure I'm to
yeah we have to add a peace on the greed team so that's missing oh um okay but we can do that easy that'll be under um probably history and culture I think section okay so yeah there it is there
it is that looks great guys oh wow oh W that's a picture that's a picture Susan took so I Incorporated a ton of her wonderful pictures into the final document front and back are Susans I thought they were so telling great of
the town so this is it's a it's a pretty big beast it's about 45 pages maybe 48 pages so um yeah it's a lot of local pictures some we have to site but for the most part we're we're in a good spot
with it yeah so um it's accessible we're excited about that because I think the tone of it visually people will make people want to read it well it looks enticing to read you know um and that's the goal rather than such a
dry you know report y yeah it most of the pages feature photography I love it um it having read it now 10 times it is easy to read it's easier to read so um
yeah this will probably be its current form is there any way to um that we plan to highlight this and get it into residents hands people's hands for you know like commissions like is there can we highlight this at level you day and like have it printed you know you can make a poster
out of it pretty easy you know I mean like if you wanted a larger format picture of the front cover yeah like post it in the ble and QR code scope you should have a copy of it in the library it's going to live in the library it says that in there yeah right but um you know just so that people could flip through and be like oh my
gosh I didn't know and look at these you know yeah it's definitely um digestible it's it's a little easier to kind of get through so um that was the design intention of the white space and everything broken out into different um
all their different entities so we think that this is kind of a good step forward for how it will live yeah it's great but yeah definitely like we can highlight all this great work and this resource that love where you lived at yeah we're good for that that sounds great we could print out the the front cover I wonder
if that's also on the topic of our one of the topics of our e table highlighting yeah that and this resource sure we have we could talk about love where you live day and what the EC table is going to be yeah um but
you know could be just what the EC what the EC does and this is one of the big resources and all that you I love it and the last page is also if you want to go there it's just so pretty I loved it the the the it should be the final
one not this is the last oh it is oh no oh put it in there I'll get it back there 45 is missing and it's the nice as fun so it's a beautiful picture of sail books but it just kind of puts a bow on it so love it yeah congratulations guys
this is come so far from where we started I think you guys did a great job taking on feedback raising the bar a little bit like this is so much better than what we started with yeah the content
was Jesse just I mean and John your Maps were fantastic so all of that has been got the good one yet I'll make you even better well let's go if that's what I need is you see you a location and tell me what you want get down the street so this is the fourth Creek wed I got a map
John at the Fourth Creek wed do you do we have do we need all you know all the different I gave you streams I gave you pawns I mean we're happy to whatever I can give you what give you whatever I did this one like you guys are barting here yeah we are no no no it's like it's more like
what do you want you know it's like a buffet it's like what do you want I don't even know where to start so no but if Bonnie did Bonnie was very we did um yeah your name came up yesterday too and we're like we have a really good map guy we got a guy so whatever you want yeah
let's let's just make it plan this week to get it done it's it will remain editable no in place so we have a nice looking finish on here's the only question I have can I ask this question sure do you want any titling on the maps all I have is a North AR and scale all
theart should no but I mean you can title it in the docent I'm just saying on the actual element do you want well you're going to have a little um blur about right like the about each map and it'll be fig it'll be a figure that's I'm saying
I will just give you a a tiff or what do you want a tiff a JPEG uh probably a PNG or J PNG or J okay and and then I'll won't have any labeling other than the scale bar which is a standard thing and then if you go through it John and you
see maps that you can update that are old that I may have pulled from the previous we'll take them thank you but um it's editable it's in CA so we can share L if people need to go if you know I'm eventually not
like we can do that too someone can have it and have well I'd like to yeah so I think from here I'd like to focus on how we what you guys started to talk about how do we share it and so I think a physical binder a couple of couple of
them bound is a good start I like the poster with a QR code is a great teaser to get people to does anybody have a QR code can we okay so if we create a few code and send me the um thing I'll see if I can get it that and then if there are some of that
artwork is really fantastic if we can get some of those Snippets with a little bit of copy we can start putting some social through the Green Team Channel we can make something for bettyanne to put out with next week's we can do it on a weekly thing we can do it on the the quarterly as well yeah um but I think
let's set if if we still need a little bit of time for the material let's set like end of the month it's got to out there we should be done by then yeah CL the last 2% so is the hard I know I
know we're there the finish line is in sight yes so that would yeah so that's what I'd like to see us do um is that something you guys are comfortable taking that next step to and getting it ready to share that great we're good it we should
also do you think every member of the council should get hard copy and the planning board I mean the planning board should certainly read it I mean then we're like making know SE hey Drew we can hear Hey first and
foremost phenomenal work well done I think it's an extremely well done document it's fun to read just because it has so much Rich information um planning board zoning board land use um all the you know shade
green everybody I think should get a copy of it um because it's it's such a wealth of information and I think when you pair this with the master plan you guys mentioned the ATP in here I think it just further strengthens the perspective that everybody needs to take
when grounding their decisions so as as as far and wide as you can blast it to the different groups I think is critical I think chrisy can help with that but I think the more the better nice job let's do it yeah I think by the next meeting definitely I mean Jesse's
already working on a few things we'll just finish a few things up March was our deadline it was yeah well then it's there it's there it's there still within the I know I'm saying by the end of March we're still I we will have it done by the end of March that's our that's our promise you
then get it off something off the I know and next month if you want to work on like if you want to take since been here take some creative options for like the poster and all that if you want to bring that that back at the next meeting it is want our opinion on it like that's fine yeah because uh then love your live
day is Right April great when is L April 27 okay so it'll be pictures anything else at the um John or Drew anything else to add before we move on no good
JP you could call me JP for now on if that makes it easier it does uh all right um Kelly did you want to give an update Jersey where we got to deadline and next so I I believe I said it last time right we we did submit it
on time with uh 215 points um which is great it's good first step but uh let's not forget that we have our second round um we need to get to the 350 so we have to keep um submitting those actions um
if you signed up for some of those actions that wasn't included in the first round I asked if you could take a look at that I know John I I didn't I wasn't here in January but I know that there was some Firehouse actions that seemed attainable because it looks like the fir house probably does most of that
anyway it would just me um yeah if you wanted help documenting that or just how to get that on to the um to log in I'm happy to meet with you at some point and kind of absolutely okay because that would be easy three or four different
actions right there but um so just encourage the um the members here if if you have still outstanding um actions please just keep working on it in in the background here um so that we can meet our 350 goal
by May for the next round and happy to meet with anybody about that um you know we're at 215 215 no need 350 yeah 350 but what's the target date for the next it it is May
at May 20 I can find that out 25th is it no that's that's another important date but it's not that my birthday birth everyone the meeting do it right there yeah um okay
so yep application cycle it is um are you making assignments or specific requests or we just um people did sign up for it so you're doing the green business deal I have all
that information it's just a matter of uploading that and I upload it you did upload it to there okay then um then you should be fine not me specifically second round
May 16th May 16th third round third and final July 31st so we will get our first our comments from our first round by early April at that point they'll say
yeah all those points were approved or no you have to add a couple different other ones May 16th is round two and then that will come back with final um comments um or return comments in mid June and then at that that point
we have another month and a half for July 31st so if we didn't submit under a specific category we can't open it up now we no we we can still do it now but it will and we can that's why it's like rolling basis you can put it up and say
complete and not touch it but it will be counted for the May 16th okay yeah so happy to you know and perhaps I can even come up with like a time where kind of a working you know we've talked about that right Drew we talked about like a little work in
progress here we all just collaborate and try to knock out as much as we can um and Drew some of those things with like the fleet inventory um some of those other things we can we can connect to offline and just see where we are with that yeah
copy that well done I'm meetting the deadline and that we have some extra time I think now doing that coordination you know whatever night we pick of the week to do something would be best served um so I'll shoot you a call we'll we'll set some time up to level set come up
and plan and then we'll uh start implementing yeah that was great so if we know where the gaps are yes then we can jump in and there's still right and there's still stuff that Betty YK is
able to help out with us I have to say a very big thank you to chrisy she got all the shade tree all the tree ordinance I think it was a whopping 60 or 70 points that she did by herself so um we wouldn't be in this situation without so
we really really appreciate that um thank you very very much no problem she gets nice scen um so that's great um that's that now um yeah that's everything with
sustainable to New Jersey would it be would it be worth I know that there was that spreadsheet we kind of used to set up and you people kind of said I could do this is it worth just like sending that out again I could send that out again I could also do like a reminder you signed up for this yes and then and
whether you want to do now or wait until you set up a couple dates with true I think it just keep it fresh in people's mind every two or three weeks probably a reminder how's it going I know it's a little bit administrative okay um streetcape stuff
will be in April perfect great ex yeah there's some creative projects that we can do um as well for that stuff so we'll have to find where it fits what category but yeah definitely perfect great um and
green fair is one of like our love where live day I don't know if you want me to talk about this now I don't see it on the agenda but I can always bring it up after Co yeah stuff and we'll come back to it great all right anything else on sustainable
Jersey no I just yeah do we have the list so I can take a look at what we because I was looking at the innovat projects I think we might find thing or two that we could add I can resend I can resend you the I might have it just chrisy yeah and then also um in
terms of sustainable Jersey um just a another update they always have a fantastic uh Summit AT at the end of their like always in May it's May 9th this year at home Del Bell works it's really a fascinating place where you can
go here what other towns are doing success stories you can meet a bunch of different vendors find out what's available what resources are available It's a Wonderful Day for both sustainable jerseys for Town and sustainable Jersey for schools in the past we've always sent a few members of
the Green Team usually that I've always gone I do encourage other people to want to come I would love to have council members or the mayor or whoever because you do get a lot of people in government as showing up to this it's it's a
fascinating networking great great opportunity um I did I don't know what our budget is um there is a fee to this to send people but usually in the past Chrispy we've always had a some money to send some that are interested I've done
a purchase order for the two or three that attend okay so but I you know definitely if this is something that interested you put on your on your radar and your calendar and um it just was released that it's May 9th at Bel works it's us all day which is it's very convenient for us right here very
convenient yeah some people Tavel from all over New jerse probably drive by the way cuz it is New Jersey and we have it in a place with no Transit access but I'm not going to get angry about it but I'm GNA tell you that maybe I should do the cin footprint of this maybe better
you know what I'm saying I I love this because I that's a crazy place to do it's nice but it's crazy it's got a lot of you know yeah yeah but room okay Trenton Trenton or New Brunswick or Newark or how do we get to
Trenton I'm try you take a train you take a train from here no I mean this is my point when whatever we talk about getting rid of cars remember how important they are we can all take a train to h no it's it's it's very difficult in New Jersey really yeah but it's an area that's almost no TR this is
my thing you know I I'm always I I don't worry about recycling I don't worry about leaf blowers are we good all right great thank you Kelly you're uh so new business Ren Garden
project all right Quin hi Quin hi so for those of you who don't know me my name is Quinn rap I'm the Junior at rfh um joining us tonight Quin thank you I stand here okay whatever you want sit down too sorry that's fine pick out my
feet here um so right now I'm working with the clean ocean action seal uh organization [Music] and program program is the word working with the program and I'm hoping to make
my project a rain Garden here in our town of Fair Haven I know that storm water is a very perceivable issue here that I know a lot of you guys have probably dealt with in the past and I am hoping to help with that with a rain
Garden uh right now I'm working on locations viable locations the two main ones that I've gone down to are the Mosaic where the animal hospital was uh on the River Road I guess and outside the fair Heaven
martial arts Dojo kind of leaning away from that one because it's held by a like a Philadelphia property business a little bit harder to communicate with um but future question for you guys I know you
guys are doing like kind of a revamp of the Planters um on River Road and I heard that you might do one across from the Mosaic Garden so um you know logistically Wise impact
wise I was wondering if you guys thought that having a rainard across the street from that would just not be as beneficial as having in maybe another location um I'm basing all this on a study that ruers did under Cindy Z and
clean ocean action so you know we've got a couple other potential spots especially if we need to change up the projects a little bit we've got plan D's and such such things like that um
so anyway I'm just here you're probably wondering why is he talking to us um I'm just here asking for this General support um I'm going to need you know the kind of expertise guys probably have a lot more
experience in the field than I do and so you know if anybody wants to participate I'm super open to collaboration um yeah good ate fantastic take a look at a couple locations right yeah why don't we poke around and see
what we can come up with so I think that's yeah that's the tough part is a lot of these locations are private property yeah so how far have you have you reached out to both landlords or property owners for Mosaic
and the other one sure yeah um so because of what I was just saying about uh mosaic's location we reached out to the cry Dojo Property Owners first okay we're going to give them a few days and they don't respond we're going to reach out to Mosaic okay we know the property
owner is a lot more local and you know we're hoping maybe want to take part in some Community effort kind of thing so I think they might is it the doctor she it right it's from Red Bank she lives in Red Bank right she she lives in Red Bank
but she's currently not she's on a leave so that kind of slowed that down a little bit too right um she's not actively working at that location and those are both private properties I do see the beneficial of a private property
because you don't have to go through the burrow of steps you know there is less red tape um I'm just yeah but unless get somebody who's going to be receptive right yeah there are other locations um on that map
one of the locations I if you want to talk about public property I know we have the firehouse um there's one near Fair Fields it would be a little bit different Lis no I know but also in fields there's one it's not
exactly rain Garden it's a little bit of a different type of thing okay but if no other options I can look into it but yeah like Miss Flanigan just said there's definitely more steps with public property with the burrow and
everything I'm assuming the council and what is your is it is there a specific timeline yeah timeline yes so for my program I am legally required to have this all you know nailed down by
may not necessarily built but just you know planned out ready to go just so I have proof of proof of doing something you know what I mean end of May beginning of May a certain day in May I believe
it's May 14th but do you ever take a couple days yeah two months two months actually okay right because I mean even if so I'm just like there's I'm looking back at the study right now it's been a
while since I visited this study um but if those two locations you know if you have a hard time reaching out to those landlords um I just wonder you know like what other um You Know Places might be more amenable
um I think that's the that's the challenge we're sitting at right yeah so John panetti the other JP who's on the call um were both on the fire department which has been um that is also on the list it is theist and we just recently
at a meeting decided that we would do some grounds reconfiguring in terms of what the rounds of the department will look like and John just and we were just talking about it having a ring Garden there you know we could that's you know technically private property so we could
um we could figure out a way to do that as well I think it would be a good spot we'd have to worry about you know barricading it for the fair which we do for the memorial there um in the front but finding a spot on the fair ground on the the firehouse grounds could be a nice place so keep that in
your right now I that what's on the ruers is just a rain barrel I don't believe that there's actual my memory you're right but it's my personal opinion if you look at you know common denominators of all the other ones they're all looking for that
roof in the brain spout that leads into that grassy area and you know when I'm looking at the fire station I definitely think it has some of those features and so you know we still have communication with workers um you know I'm working under Cindy Z who got it in the first
place so if I need a new location hoping that Ruckers would be uh open to maybe drawing up different plans there like FIS am on there jungle the Boon and Boon Insurance have you talked to them or that used to be the
Boon and Bo now it's like the cedar cedar Comm Cedar Comm Comm we we kind of because before we knew karate was right because I mean you have connections with karate You' taken right I understand why you'd want to also do that because it's a place where many
kids down go to yes spot you know it's very visible but could be yeah acjo it used to be boyant back in7 never known what that was my whole life big
yeah um but that could be I I don't know who owns that but that could be another one to look into um it's you want do rain Garden yeah but so also could be Bank restoration or something like that like
a living teline money by we no just planting it just be plantings I mean you know like there's a whole series of plantings you don't like mud it's good I love living short lives no I've been talking about living sh lines for so long now so it's
like oh but okay no no because um I've been talking to the fa Haven Sailing Club the river about perhaps working with the commission to do some improvements great now with the the property is actually only a small part of the property it's about half of it is used for the actual active so the rest
of it is in natural state but not improved so the question is could we look at it and improve it and would they be would we be interested environmental commission be interested in working on that or working with the river to do something so a is it right I mean is it would that be interesting at
all yeah yeah I just uh I mean it could be just plantings you know I mean like in other words we have I I don't know we have to think about you know there's native species they're invasive species can we take and plant more natives to help progress the area to be a more well and then you also think about what go
the Fourth Creek goes right there and all those invasives that are up there and we've talked about the clean up of that but not we like it's infrastructure it's all all right protecting be a little bit of a pivot but I mean well
okay but like I just chose this project because you know I did the pollinator Garden at no wood okay uh I plan out so something that I have a little bit more experience in right but that's what I was saying before if all these uh plans
and properties don't work out I have a list of like planes okay or I'm totally open to other ideas no worries is there is there a certain objective you're trying to reach like is
there I mean through the Seal program like each individual the Seal program has to do X or have do something in order to kind of graduate from the S program is that you're asking yeah yeah no it's it's a very vague requirement because like you know the end goal is
just to have an impact okay uh you know to learn about the field but I just picked this because I thought it was interesting but if I need to Pivot it would not be an issue for the program it's not the end of the world that's what I'm saying that's great I'm not familiar with it so
can you just say program is so it's basically clean ocean action um I guess they're headquarters in Long Branch near the shore um and they do this program it's for sophomores for seniors in high
school and it's basically just every two weeks we meet and you know we collaborate and we discuss our different ideas and the end goal is just to go through the process of planning funding and doing a project to main impacct the
environment we have guest speakers every meeting and we just uh just trying to learn and to improve our communities that's very I think stands for like student ambassador right or student
environmental ambassador leaders or leadership I awesome which is great it's fantastic and we like I am totally behind this in supportive and I think it could also be a great learning like a collaborative
learning project if we are going to build a ring Garden or if we are going to upkeep a coastal Shoreline it could serve as we all learn right like we had a learning you know Community Learning event as well so learning opportunity
yes exactly love to say it and just if I could add I mean Quin wasn't there you I think I don't know Kelly if you were there for the student presentations at the council meeting that um Christen Hoy I think she kind of organized it and so
many of the kids not so many but a few kids expressed interest and talked about rain Gardens and I would love to see more rain Gardens are be involved so think there's an opportunity there also to engage the oldwood students to help out with the sure the actual implementation and and that's also
another reason I like those locations on River Road you know a lot of kids go there every day for school it's definitely an opportunity to provide some education for especially middle school kids at oldwood yeah very agree awesome I think it's great so let us
know I mean right keep us well I would say I would say maybe coming from this group if you you you picked a tough one um so you know we're all aware of the Rucker study um I would say more of those would have been done if they were like easy like low hanging fruit so I
think you've got a little bit of work cut out for you to continue to kind of call and and reach out and get you know make contact if we can help or the green team can help we're happy to assist um if you do I'm just thinking about your timeline like you literally have two months and so if you do decide to Pivot
and you want to reach us before our next meeting and get either a brainstorm or um you know either team either the green team meeting or or this group you know don't wait until April absolutely come back and we be happy to help and and
open doors for you if that's what you need um do you you mentioned budget as one of your things that you guys talk about where are your funds for the project where they com from yeah um first method is ask the business that
they want to sponsor obviously it's a 5050 chance um but you know it's a good look for any small business or Corporation and post to that um you I'm looking at a price of like six anywhere
from $6 to $25 per square foot and so you know my biggest problem is is I need to find the location and then once I find the location then I can not not a bar yeah should be okay key location yeah and so I on the location
and then I can ship it out to Ruckers who you know we've been talking to and hopefully they can give plans and give a price estimate and past that uh you know I'm going to try and do some crowdfunding okay maybe we have lower you live day I think
there was an Eco Fest before then but advertise it see if people want to contribute and then past that I don't know maybe we can sell t-shirts the only thing I would like to bring up is that if you do choose the firehouse
there's a good chance that me and Anna could get it funded by them as well I don't think they would have a problem with the funding so that might be that might be a huge way to get it fast-tracked for you that's perfect I will look into that um next time I see
any you guys great thank you good work good night [Music] and thank you he has two tests tomorrow so there no problem we
got what are they on what did they test on Spanish and she's wrong it's actually history history well who's economics you really make some points with me but that's okay economics too that's good good stuff on
Monday we have a 99% employment rate just remember that we have the high we have the my PhD program is the highest employment rate of any PhD program Amazing yeah guess what you did this is very Dre I love this green
infrastructure stuff we're all talking about I think it's like very timely I just think he picked yeah I think he's up against the wall yeah that's why some location to give them some guidance either open a door or give them some guidance like if the fire
department is really viable option for you guys that's awesome that's we can open that door I I think it's going to be a struggle to get a landlord business owner to it's been top it's been top of mind for the department they want to change the ground so the timing could be
right so I think that we honestly talked about it last week and John and I were just saying I mean it would it would be a beautification I don't see why if we didn't get a meeting I mean I could get a meeting tomorrow with Kevin and I mean it seems
to be something that would be really simple yeah you I could talk to them about like big like large Hedges out that cover I mean they like almost scratch the apparatuses anyway so a few of those coming those are near the downstream the down spout so it could just work out for the loc location
really matters I mean the best part would be to get a meeting with and I'm sorry I didn't get that young gentleman's name but um if we get a meeting with him and and the department ASAP I don't see why we can't FASTT track it the department has it has the funds for the you you could send that
back to Ruckers and just say could you please revisit this was 2017 I mean we have different storms now we have different water usage it might be very they might say yeah actually this would serve very well rather than a rain barrel at the
down because the amount of flooding we have on River Road anyway correct they respond that fast they their records is pretty good they could and um St days weeks not months yeah Steph has taken um they know personal contact because she's
taken the storm water um Force Through refers Chris is in charge of this stuff he's pretty and who did this I think also with Cindy Z's name from clean Mission action who also co-sponsored this I think they would have a pretty good Lei okay so hopefully I mean if
that could work that could be I'll talk to J yeah and I a John when you guys have those conversations let me know because maybe there's some Synergy with the rain Garden or bio retention systems that are going in our facilities maybe that we can
somehow tap into to support his his initiative given that he's under the gun in a couple of months cool Drew we're at uh burrow facilities landscape plans yeah thanks Sean and I'll just set it up real quick I just thank
you planning board meeting Drew gave an overview you because it would went through the planning board years ago um he gave an update on where they were with the construction and specifically went over the landscape plans um for PD Community Center I thought it would be
great for us to get the same briefing um because I know there's been questions about that that's come up in this forum in the past so Drew I thought what you went over at the planning board was great and thought we could touch on some of those points again tonight yeah absolutely and Sean I'm going to treat
this slightly different in my Approach I'll provide you know a 60 to 90 second high level overview and then I'll look for questions specifically from the EC that I can uh satisfy just to help um
make it as efficient as possible if that works for you yeah sounds great okay cool um I think I can annotate give me a hopefully on here or no I can't okay um I don't want to
break it okay yeah I can't do it um so what you're looking at here is the uh DPW plan the top of the page is Maple Avenue the bottom of the page is Allen Street and to the left is Third
Street um there are predominantly three sides of the Landscaping plan uh the reason there's not a fourth side is is because that Hendrickson side which is the right side is there's a there's a a large Natural Area there of plants and
whatnot um some of the key features here so um on the left hand side on Third Street where there's a little bit of a curved Landscaping feature um that is
the previous burm shifted to the right considerably so one of the key things with the DPW is and the greatest challenge is is that it's an industrial site in a residential area so one of the key initiatives was shrinking the site
so we shifted the DPW site shifted trunk um 40t from left to from left to right um originally we were looking to put a rainu in you can see a little bit of um I don't know chrisy you see the V right in between like right in the middle of
the curve originally we're going to put a rainard in there but that yeah exactly right there however that is um that is a a solution that is implemented at DPW sites to catch oil and gas and runoffs
and particulars from the uh parking lot before it goes into the infrastructure um so we it was it was advised by by multiple uh Landscape Architects environmentalists um our CTE that we don't put a rainard in there um
nonetheless though um that side is being enhanced um since we are also removing a 40 foot by I don't know 100 foot area of compact asphalt that is now going back to green infrastructure pure green
infrastructure um I key highlight on the Allen Street side um we enhanced uh this further um by increasing the WID between the curb and the DPW fence so exactly where Christy's Mouse is um it's 12 feet
from the curb um all the plantings um are native to Fair Haven uh we worked closely on that two years ago two and a half years ago coordinated with environmental shade tree um we coordinated with every stakeholder um
and then the other highlight that I'll add here is if you see the building on either side of the building there's this 4 by3 I don't know um picture so you guys see on either side of the DPW building
there's two of them um that's the storm water infrastructure so one of the critical things was to make the runoff from the building a net zero impact um and and reduce that uh storm water from
from getting to the infrastructure um and that's what that is uh those are those are two natural storm water systems underground naturally recharge Etc so um keep it in line with the efficiency of this I'll pause there and just uh hone in based on questions from
the EC members christe are you controlling it I am can you go back to the PowerPoint version of it you can see that one better zoom in a little bit yeah maybe down the bottom right above the clock
yeah yeah if you you don't mind going showing Third Street right there all the way there you go perect yeah that's better that's better feel free to stand up and go to the screen if you need to so so you know
Maple Avenues being enhanced right now with curbing on the Third Street those are adding Street trees back um there was a significant amount of Decay disease trees on the Third Street side um as well as non-native
um so it's actually much better with it being magnified so are you removing the BM um in front of the fencing obviously you're putting new fencing right on the Third Street side and then are you building up
um creating a BM is that what I see with those topographic lines right there yeah exact exactly right Kelly so the previous the previous burm there was a um um was a was a temporary solution so
the burm wasn't installed correctly to nobody's fault uh the trees weren't installed correctly nobody's fault it's just what occurred years and years and years ago um so that burm actually has been removed and this new BM uh will be
in installed um if you drive by DPW today you'll notice the five commercial shipping containers right those ugly 40 containers they've been relocated we're auctioning them off um and it gives you a real good idea of of one how the site's going to shrink to what the green
infrastructure is going to look like and then three how we're going to redo this burm um to add to add additional Landscaping buffer between this Third Street Mini Park I'll call it because it's it's pretty big
okay and so in between those um trees that are going to be planted I see some trees that are going to be saved too that's going to be grass like in front of the BM that as is a lawn area is going to remain yeah exactly there's some seating that they're going to have to do and and cleaning after it but yeah
um exactly and then what is the stuff that's behind those plantings that's on the sides of the V shaped that's going to collect all the the the oil what's that stuff it says seed mix with yeah that that would be grass where the V is
they'll be the term is DGA I just call it Stone um so they'll be they'll be Stone there again because that's the natural not natural that's not the right word that's the solution to to catch all the particulates off of the parking lot um what you guys think of of very
difficult questions uh um that's a joke um the site the building itself has about seven punch list items left um hoping to get the DPW out of the concession stand um within the next week or two and then conclude the site work
in its entirety within the next four to six weeks um we also made significant enhancements to the recycling center bottom right of the the property um and DPW from this perspective went through an entire operational overhaul to
improve it um so there's there's hours now um we're adding uh ew container so that folks that have Electronics can properly dispose of it properly recycle it obviously we'll bring back all of the um plastic and glass recycling there's
paper recycling and then we added a whole new um cardboard pad I'll call it just given the volume of cardboard um and not sure if you guys saw it but on Saturdays now it's manned um so folks drive on to the site all the carboard
gets discarded of properly and we actually make Revenue off of the cardboard um so it's not significant Revenue um but nonetheless it's it's Revenue that that offsets different costs year to year so um Drew just going
back to that too so the recycling center it's always been just cardboard now we're going to have plastic glass paper and e-w container is that what I heard yes sir uh ma'am sorry yes I saw you talking and then looked at Sean for some reason and my head went to
sorry that's my bad you guys are right next to each other no no harm at that um can I ask a question and you might not know the answer but would you ever be open would the town ever be open in um a
clothing recycling container I I I just because I just had a talk with somebody ins spied by 6 by6 and they actually um they would they would pay you7 cents per pound of any type of clothing and stuff and and I just you know I'm trying to I me to
learn more and looking at other options in in the in our municipality but I was just wondering like are we trying to make this a recycling center like because I know a lot of clothing is a big problem to like or is there room for that or you can also just say nope or
maybe I want to hear more that's fine I just wanted as I was not aware that we were adding e-ways that's fantastic and all that other stuff yeah so um I I can't speak to whether or not we can do it or not but if you send me the dimensions and kind of some of the
aspects of it um the final layout I'll call it of the recycling center is being finalized um and just additional context is why I'm saying finalized if you recall originally the recycling center was supposed to be closed for the duration of the project just given a
variety of different consider iterations to include safety um but then after um everything that that occurred with the cap and um trash and recycling bid we opened it up right by weekly or excuse
me we opened it up daily just to offset that um so send me the uh send me the details on it and that'd be great okay all right thank you appreciate it yeah J go for it uh just one question
um it's on the use of grass was there any thought given to any other kind of plantings that don't require fertilizing and as much maintenance and money I mean to put s down would probably be very exensive right yeah so the conversations Us in
went back for months and months and months we had two different uh Landscape Architects we had environmental Architects uh obviously we had our CTE and we ultimately deferred to their recommendation that
balanced um plant material that was native uh the maintenance aspect of it because the last thing we want to do is plant that requires a tremendous amount of Maintenance and then it's not taken care of and dies um fiscal obviously was
was a component so um I don't know if that answers your question um but we spent a lot of time on the the planting list the one thing that's not included on this and I can send it over to you is is the Plante Matrix so it actually breaks down each type and quantity and
whatnot so that's something that'd be of interest more than happy to uh pass that along sure that'd be great it sounds like an economic decision at the end of the day it always is um Eon e economic
was one factor right so um what it came down to was what what what what are the goals what are we trying to achieve with this and then what is the best use of funds to do so so I'll give you an example um on on the process because we
just relived it again so on the Maple Avenue side um the plan is being finalized once more and the reason for that was that uh trees that were girdled originally weren't identified and there was quite a bit of landscaping that had
to be removed um so with that with the with with with the plan that was put in place initially from Maple Avenue came back at $98,000 to put it into context the original Landscaping plan for all of this which is Allen Street Third Street and there was maybe four trees being
planted on Maple Avenue was 55,000 right so when you think about the planting intensity and everything compared to the two different um so when when when the cost came back yes that's a factor but we took we had
to take into account and took into account resident impact a lot of these homes here a lot of these homes here um you know see directly to the back of DPW so that was an aspect of it the maturity right and and what they see now is
significant storm water uh is a big piece so you know I wouldn't say the primary driver was economic this is a multi-dimensional problem that had all different factors that were were weighted accordingly
I I would say maybe asking that question a different way we're we're looking at grass along Third Street and and touches Maple and touches Allen what if it was not grass what if it was like um wild flowers or like more
of a meadow type of approach which would be either no sod or no grass seed but you know just kind of leaving it leaving it go or you could have just like that was that I guess that's the question was that considered as part of the the design every I I can tell you that every
type of plant was considered um and and I and I don't say that in any of the exaggeration sense um you got to remember when we went through this um about two years ago now right we went through open houses uh we went through
um coordination with different committees and commissions and so every single I like like to say proverbial Rock was turned over um and again there were multiple factors that led to why or
why not a specific plant um was was selected and the other thing that's super critical um and that kind of grounded Us in the conversations was that Allen Street is the front of DPW right Maple Avenue is the back of DPW
and then Third Street is this adjacent side and they all require a different approach when planning and designing a landscaping plan given what side of the DPW was on so that was another kind of
factor again amongst maintenance amongst costs amongst plant type amongst plant intensity [Music] Etc just making me shudder to think about having to participate in this meeting true I'm so happy you're there
not cool all right you want to jump to the next one Drew yeah it's your time guys whatever whatever you guys have I'm here to to help so you want to go next one let's do it okay um so for the purposes of my brief
chrisy do you mind presenting it because then I can use my own marker and then when we get into specific questions we could zoom in again so if you present present it hit the now go to the left of that minus
sign and just share and just present the slide they had trouble seeing it that way before yeah yeah it's not as um big well he'll go over it then we can make it big again okay okay where are you oh that that's
your annotation isn't it oh come on is it here yes love it okay cool and then if I do this and I'll do it in Red so you guys can see it okay so up here is
Fisk right just to orientate you Maple the the community center Fields is over here um the Landscaping plan now what you're looking at is both PD which is here the
new community center which is here and the fish Chapel parking lot everybody with me so far okay from a landscaping perspective um we have obviously same type of approach that we
took with DPW right all those different variables that we went to to arrive at what we did some of the notable differences here is over here is a rain Garden um this is a bio retention storm water
system um but both the parking lot at Fisk here and the parking lot at PD and the two buildings have storm water infrastructure to make it a net zero impact on the storm water infrastructure
in the Fisk Maple Avenue this is a real hot spot in town it's actually one of the areas from a storm water infrastructure that are that is the oldest um and that presents its own set of complications right hyping sizing um uh where the infrastructure goes
challenges in the infrastructure Etc um there's underneath this parking lot will be and this is where the current PD is will be a will be a a significant storm water um uh infrastructure that's underneath the
parking lot that handles it um what you'll notice is is obviously Ada everything's fully compliant you have the pathway over here um a couple other noticeable pieces here so fish Street right now so this right here if you guys
have ever driven down fish Street there's a bottleneck here and so part of this this project is to widen fish tree and then can you know line up the the sidewalk entirely down um you can see the new Street trees going in here so
that everything's planted accordingly um the other significant piece that came up here obviously is the is the is the parking lot at the church um so so we've done we've done two reviews with the planning board one three years actually it's a review and
an update I would say um but we have we have a a long-term partnership uh that we've created with with the church to put this parking lot in here uh to offset you know challenges um from the storm water infrastructure uh we're
actually reducing the size of imperious so the the DP doesn't materially view compact did gravel and uh asphalt differently from from from the from a storm water impact perspective so we're
actually reducing the size of that the other noticeable difference here is is that this property line right here um there was a 17 foot encroachment here meaning that the fence you can't really see it here is
really right here and then this side was 11t encroachment so why that's important notices is is one we have we had to be ensure that we abided by Green Acres and whatnot because Community AC community centers funded funded via Green Acres
but two as we reconciled and brought this area um up to a standard we wanted to ensure that all um setbacks uh were accurate and two that the Landscaping infrastructure um only
further enhanced reduction uh of water um in this vicinity and so this entire Landscaping here is all brand will be brand new um from a timing perspective we're targeting it's it's a
soft date um because it could slide to the right depending on utilities uh but we're targeting the police department to move in um you know first or second week of April um we'll likely be doing a little commemoration with the Reverend uh on the site a few other folks the
reason we need to get the into this building is is because we can finish the site work and demo that other building um so again just keep it in line I'll I'll X Out Of The annotation chrisy if you want to x out of the presentation and blow it up I can take
and field questions this should be a way to clear the annotations that's great Christie thanks Drew um go for it all right um the in between to the right of the
police parking and to the left of fist Chapel in that area is that the bias whale is that the rain Garden yeah so the one on the right hand side is is that's the bio swell that's the bio retention storm water system the rain Garden is opposite side of okay the
Eastern side so um I mean western side you're right over by there's like going to be a trail there right got it um my question is um this is great I'm glad that all these green
infrastructure is being implemented in here and I think it's great phom um but you know since the record stud he has been up and I've been looking at this again with another fresh set of eyes and comparing it there is also two ring Gardens that they suggested on the fist
chapel side and so I know you're planting Street trees you're doing some other vegetation there but you know is there any talk of including I I just wonder is is are they still necessary do they look
at what is being put into this site is it um sufficient enough to kind of substantiate the ring the storm water run off from both sides because the rain Gardens that were proposed by Ruckers in 2017 are on the Eastern side of Fisk
chapel and in front of Fisk Chapel uh on FIS Street and I just wonder that if this is all happening perhaps there economies of scale they they've been very um welcoming to allowing the PD to park there and they've been very you know great neighbors is there a
way have these rain Gardens for fist Chapel been brought up with any of these conversations as well is just kind of like a community effort negative not not to my understanding Kelly um they very easily can be we we we talk to the Reverend probably once a week between a
handful of us as we coordinate so if that's something that uh you want to have a discussion on 100% Let's Do It um to give you to give you a little bit more just giving what you're asking for so the topography the way the water flows is from the back right corner of
the page to the top left so the the storm water the bio retention system that was installed there was put for a specific reason so one that all the water from the parking lot is pitched that way um fish Chapel these these two
buildings have a history of storm water uh issues in their basement um so what we wanted to ensure was was then that we didn't exacerbate um an issue um and if we could reduce it right hence taking every single water drop that hits the
parking lot now and having it go to the bio retention um to go even deeper um we did um make a right turn meaning uh we did two additional test pits so you see the building that's further south on on
the fish chapel side right it's it's Community Center exactly it actually used to be a barn um Stables back in the day um it's it's got phenomenal history um but anyway we we did two test pits here and what the test pits revealed was that we could not put any additional
storm water infrastructure here because it likely would exacerbated uh the storm water issues that are present in this area um and so the last piece oh man my mind is playing we hit the
swell we hit that it'll come back to me there was there was a third piece I wanted to go a little bit deeper oh the third piece is is that these stor this storm water infrastructure is built to What's called the atlas 100 standard and the it's a
100-year storm and most folks will say well that those those calculations are old right 100e storms now are much different than what they were 25 years ago 100-year storm is Sandy um and the D has updated all of the atlas storm water
calculations so this has a natural recharge into the ground of an inch and of a of an inch and quarter one and quarter inch of rain per hour that would cover this entire parking lot so if this parking lot had an inch and a quarter
rain deep this would naturally recharge it back into the system that's how much that this holds and so we made sure that when we designed it it was designed based on the updated storm water calculations that take into account I'm not going to use the right term and Rick
Adon would would would probably cringe if I said this but like the new type of storms quote unquote right that that that we're used to now from a frequency and volume perspective right um so I you know and I know that we've talked about this even
last summer last year um Ann and I to just about presenting and and going up to the Fisk am um church and seeing if this could be a collaborative effort with the hisor association with other ameni the EC kind of like a nice
Community effort what is your timeline um for these the Landscaping here as well great question so um send me an email on Friday that's what we're meeting on Friday to talk through
so the uh action item is now that we know when the PD is moving in we can work backwards from all of these different pieces so I'll have an updated schedule um by end of day Friday that I
can then share um because the same kind of process Kelly that we followed in the beginning of this right with the coordination all the stakeholders and everything we want to follow that now it's been it's been two and a half years since we've had in-depth conversations on this right so bringing everybody back
to the you know the quote unquote table providing the updates letting folks know what changed and then even even part of these processes right whether it's the commemoration we're going to do right before the before the building's taken down or um when the when when the um
rain Garden or swell are installed right whatever it may be is just figuring out what that uh collabor a looks like given it's been you know two and a half years later and we're you know at first and goal now with with finishings yeah um okay great because this is something that we've talked about I just think that if you're doing
at the same time if maybe we can kind of jump in on there do that as well it could just be a really great and it hits the storm water that the Ruckers did I don't know if it's not the timeline that Quinn is looking at but there's a lot of you know information that could be
helpful um and in in any any regard we've we've been trying to talk like storm water is one of our EC priorities um and this could just be a really good learning opportunity as well can I just ask though like so that the whole
concept of this parcel is different than it was in 2017 right like this design wasn't because the fist it's the fist Chapel so right this wasn't so I'm not looking at the the PD point of view because the PD was on here but fist Chapel was a separate
entity now every pie of rain water that hits Fisk Chapel's property is going into a is being recharged is that what you're saying every single piece of rain water that hits fist Chapel's roof is going into your detention bios okay so
every raindrop that hits the parking lot the parking lot not the roof okay not not not not the roof themselves we proper no so this is what the one thing that that we've talked about and I'm
waiting for an update can we put the leaders of the of the properties and let them go into the parking lot right so Sean the one the one question we to get answered and should be answered I'm waiting for Rick to provided actually tonight is is if
we're able to take the down spouts and put them into the parking lot from each building can we capture the rain from each building as well so that that's an open question right now um but Kelly to your point I mean you know if if if if
you're open to it the next time we meet with with rever which is usually probably in the next few days if you want to come with and we can talk about those other aspects and see if there is that economies of scale or timing or whatever the factor may be let's do it because Now's the Time to do it because
we probably if I had to give you a swag guess you know four to six weeks out from Landscaping being installed um just let me know four to six weeks okay great thank you no problem great questions yeah there's no water source
of thisk okay just keep that there's a water source at frying rice is it there is we could we could Barrel them out the proc fish chap fish Chapel has a couple water spouts around their buildings and the other question too just and this is probably this is phase three right like
the uh Community Center Park like that and that info for the tennis rack ports are like that's all going to be another phase correct correct and and the upto-date data point that I'll give you on that just since we're having this conversation so to have the greatest
storm water reduction which means you make water disappear the recommendation from the professionals and it's a byproduct of all the test pits and research that have been done around the area is to put a regional storm water management system where the tennis
courts used to be and if you recall the speculation is it hasn't been confirmed because we haven't done any geophysical but the tennis courts that were there would continuously crack and the speculation is is that fourth Water Creek goes underneath that underneath
exactly so yes it's a it's a next stage effort but two I want to make sure you have the the most upto-date data points that have been a byproduct of this and what the recommendation from our storm water Engineers are as far as having the greatest impact when it comes to making
quote unquote water disappear thanks any other questions Drew thank you that was great thank you thank you um so next item on the agenda I had invited councilwoman um cot to come and
and and have Betsy talk to us because she gave the presentation at the last council meeting um couldn't join us tonight so we'll table that for another conversation um the next item is a an Outreach effort for friends of mcarter
pond Christie do you have that um document handy to to present to everyone sure thank you uh neither Elise nor Mike could join us so I'll just give a quick overiew they really wanted to get the EC's input
before they take action so we figured we do it tonight so just to rewind a little bit one of the recommendations coming out of the committee work is how do we get people that are right around the pond doing the
right things and you know rather than telling what they have to do helping them understand what they could do to improve the condition of Pond is where we wanted to start we identified a couple of key actions that would be sort of the most
impactful and coming up with a way to put that on a piece of paper so literally knocking on doors type of activity between Mike elit and others um might have a little bit of a better reception than hearing it come from you
know from someone else this is the friends this is not the committee or are they so it's it's it's a partnership so this is the committee agreeing that this is an action that that would be wise to take this is the friends of mcarter pond
taking the action to to do the Outreach um so if you just scroll down a little bit uh Christine and really it's you know there's a little bit about what's going on the location you know a little
bit of context but really it's these bullet points on the right um and and I'll I'll just highlight a couple things that are here the bulkheads right we we identified that as just a contribution to sediment soil getting into the pond
um some of the bulkheads are in better shape than others and and they're all the bulkheads that we're talking about here are the ones that are privately owned um you read different literature and and that that buffer U between you know the water and kind of like an
active Zone like a yard 4et 5T 10t um so we're starting with 10 ft as a a very safe amount and and what a buffer would be it could just be a garden could be some more natural plantings um we can certainly provide guidance on on what
those would be um but really it's it's actually kind of sitting with the neighbor and and looking at their backyard because some of them especially on the Buttonwood side are buried very shallow yards 10 ft would be you know in their kit maybe that yes um and
so not not practical you know not saying it has to be like um the bur is not going to come back and do a land grab necessarily at this point and try to Annex 10 fet of space right so what are things that we could ask our neighbors to
do is this just to um the people that are are adjacent to the property correct water just okay starting there I love it I think this is a great idea I mean it's a good place to start for sure I wonder though if
like images help right like this is what a storm this is what the front should look like you know like a natural buff you know compared to that like it just it's good I just don't know how it's a good first step right but I'm just wondering how much of
like bulkhead no like no this is for the natural like you know what I mean like what does it look like right and um specifics or images or like more yeah
exactly and so I you know I just sent chrisy like our storm water slow the flow brochure and I wonder if you just need and and this isn't very this isn't very detailed either but you know we talked about like do you need a little bit more information on
here um and and is there a mix between the two right um and so this is and if you go to the second page chrisy I think we talk a little bit more like what you can do but like I just wonder if you put something with like images and show a
natural St buffer on the mayor has his hand raed um mayor's online I like to put the name of the finest resident in Fair Haven which is Snappy the Snapp Turtle It's featured on this document I think he's one of the
finest residents in Fair Haven he's never come to a council meeting he's never complain I can accept that I have a little bit of excuse me similar feedback and it was build it talked about a bulk so that's an
expensive proposition and then it said build above or Z I don't know what the words were but for somebody who doesn't know what that is they wouldn't know what it was could you put the build it's bulkhead then build a buffer something
and if people don't know what that is the mayor that could be edited to be a little bit more specific like a living sheline yeah they might not know what that is either it's build what's a 10 foot planting buffer at the what's a planting buffer they might not know and
does that mean like right yep so the the idea is is like I'm not giving this as an email this is like part of a conversation oh so they can explain it yeah yeah but the person might not you know they may say thank you and I got and the other thing was layers I
didn't get layers what that that meant Partners maybe that subhead layers I don't know what that refers to so maybe they can partner yeah maybe Partners is a better topic area yeah
just my vors coming out here yeah so and I think this is all good like I think really it was the the actions on the right I think they wanted guidance from this group in particular because they are more um sort of
directive around making good our environmental choices um and so you know you look at those bullet points and and something reacts to you in negative way like let's let's voice that like so you know the word like build is too too strong okay
um it sounded expensive yeah it sounds like I've got to make I've got to build something you something yeah and Native was there anything about Native in the buffer no I
just said I'm like is like Mar or Zas or like you know what are they going to quite there otherwise I thought it was good yeah I think that just the conversations around it are positive especially these the people that impact well it impacts
all of us inherently but these are the people that are passionable so just yeah getting ground to go it's great start and for Neighbors to go around and give to other neighbors L have been to the Friends of map Pon had I think there's a
good amount of um buy in from them already to make a change they see it impacts them so yeah I think if you believe in the principle that you know it takes N9 10 plus conversations to get something to change the first this is a friendly
conversation with someone who says hey I raised my hand to volunteer to kind of help with the pond we see the islands forming whatever is your bug bear we've you know we think there are some actions that can be taken by all of us here they are we just help them flesh out just the
terms just some language right pictures is great did at least do this yes at this and and I also said they did put um Elise did ask they wanted to do a cleanup with the friends Caron and they want to do that in April and so this
would also be a really good um time to talk about what it might look like and what a buffer means and what kind of plant go in here and here are some examples there's a model yard if there's a yard that is like there's a 25t buffer bring people
through the doors there I don't I don't personally know but that would be a really nice place to start so here's what you could do in some it looks friendly too it looks good right yeah yeah um do you want us to go to her with feedback how do you want us to handle
the next steps or should we yeah I would say if you are comfortable I mean I'll grab what I heard tonight um if you want to if you got your own and you want to type them up um just send you can send them to me or send them to all three of us make sure that M see them awesome that'd be
great y action I yeah I was waiting for you guys to finish talking I didn't want to talk over anyone I know it's weird when someone's on Zoom can you hear me or no yeah you can hear you yes um okay so this this looks like it's more like education specific to the
resident um so I guess I have two questions one just want to make sure that this even though it's obviously good education for the resident but um you know you might have residents wondering based on some of the language
there whether these are rules for them do you understand what I'm saying so in other words it's not it's not coming from an actual Committee of the government but it's saying fer fertilizer cannot be applied closer than 25 ft to the Shoreline do not blow
leaves or cut so in other words I I think I think it needs to read um you know recommendations sure that's the first and then the second part of that um conversation is uh as I mentioned great
to educate residents because obviously that's going to lead to a healthier Pond um do we do we have an idea on a timeline of when we might get recommendations out of committee to the Council on what we can do as a government to help the
pond yeah we are um quick update is we've been we've been talking to some providers to get their recommendation and cost estimates um where we are in the season we're really looking at the warmer
months from as early as April but definitely by May where we would do some treatment you know through the through the end of September and looking at at you know a more um a more active removal of material next
winter okay uh great you know the the only reason I'm bringing it up is As you know government never moves as quickly as you want it to move um so if we're looking to start treatments in April you know that's information we got a obviously probably Workshop in a uh in a
council meeting we only have one more in March on the 24th and then we're right into April so um maybe I'll talk to you offline Sean you can give me an update on where you're at and we can support you however um you know however uh we we
can to accomplish uh a positive impact on the pond as quickly as possible so yeah great thanks all right thank you thank you everyone appreciate uh all the work you're putting in here not just on the pond but on the uh the health of our
entire burrow thank you that's all right we can also help I mean I don't know if when this plans to go out but I mean I can knock on doors and tell people this is the information if they're looking for more boots on ground yeah right foring my
kids makes it even better stroller the dog yeah no I think bring turtle turtle best that tur best longstanding I think the the to me the best part of this is it's like I'm in it
with you like I'm a neighbor here like I have the same problems maybe my bulkhead is in disarray and I'm coming to you telling us we all have to like I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do with mine like I'm not preaching to you but I'm just saying like well it's time to like take the conversation offline it's like enough of the Facebook
about it you know let's bring it into real life and start to do some changes but in terms of sustainable Property Management right of burrow properties as well too how are we the burrow going to can the bur read by example of this and
and follow that as well because some of that postline is for property can we show what a planting firm is or like what it would look like can we do that where we can still allow for kids
to come in and fish but remember how we talked about one the biggest problems too with storm water and I mean that area is so compacted that it's almost like impervious in pavement and nothing goes in can we kind of create a
little Pathways so that kids maintain and stay on the path but then we can have plantings to help as well um so maybe the burrow can lead by example and say this is we're following these best practices look at what we're doing put together and then present it to Nick I
mean as of DPW he would be instructing the guys on how to maintain that area if we were to put something cohesive together and just say you know comparable to what we're asking the residents around the pond to do there's a strip of land that belongs to the burrow this is our recommendation for you guys to follow when you're doing any maintenance to that area I mean I think
that could be an easy yeah and I mean you know as the friends of marara pond are trying to come up with this cleanup day at Mara Pond I wonder if it could also be like a plant can we all you know Community plant community clean up and
enhance yeah I think the I think it's all possible yeah and it certainly has to be I think me personally thinking about it I struggle with how do you let the kids fish and and do it like I just
I visually can't see it yet so um it doesn't mean it can't be done right that's just my right um but you know creating Pathways and pockets and still having accessibility I mean you've talked about even the bulkhead right
there um that the town owns right there and then you know the idea of like whether it becomes a little dock that goes out you know where kids can fish out that way so it's not as um you know just revisit there there's a lot but I just wonder if we
could even do some soft plantings to be like these are the types of native plants that would work really well here's one area that we're going to show you it doesn't even have to be the whole entire Coastline but just one little plot just to show this is what maybe we can get also like buffer might look like yeah have the Cy logs you might be able
to go into stabilize that bank area along that from the from the bulkhead over to the South okay because obviously that's an area that's a bit of erosion heavy flooding yes heavy what's it called a what log it's a Cory log it's made out of coconut fiber and you basically stake them down they're all
biologically total total totally there's no metal or anything in it so you just take it down with some wooden staks and over time they you know they slowly rot away but you can put some soil behind them in vegetation to help get the bank be a soft b a soft Bank yeah it's not
anything really invasive I don't think there have to be any permitting or anything you just stake it down it's used also in like when they have um you know areas run off where you want to get the sil out of it it's like a filtering material just a thought I mean we want to do some simple things right if we can
start to improve it so right and just to show like easy tangible things that you can do in your own backyard no blowing on that side it's like a real quick check mark from the town just saying you can't blow you can't blow on that area and
um even the don't feed the wildlife you know like a simple sign because the got replaced right okay we that last fall late fall we sign um but speaking about the turtle John I mean the past I
think it was in the fall or whatever I we saw two dead turtles on THS tell might have been there some one night at counil somebody came in and said we should go after the turtle yeah when I was on you were there I don't know if you were there Susan but some people came in to complain that
turtle was a threat I'm like he's the best resident no I am not going to hurt the turtle I'm telling you right now SE this kind of Segways into our next agenda item but just we're ready can I can I just suan
do you mind if I just tap real quick on one thing before you guys y so so Sean the one thing that I'd be valuable in this conversation right we brought it up at uh at at previous calls is everything we're articulating is great I love it but how are we going to measure that
we're successful or not right it's great to put information out there it's great to educate but to what end and how do we measure that and so what I think is an extremely effective um means to hold hold each other account
right as this group is to Define that um so I just give that to you SE we can we can dive into it later I know it's getting late um but it comes back to what is the ultimate goal and then how are we going to ensure that we are having some type of impact that we're looking for um and being able to follow
through on it so more than happy to dive in further but just wanted to raise that as a as a point thanks John online anything else you want to add before we move on awesome you got a know okay um so next
item on the agenda I know it is getting late strategic objectives team sharing so we started this last month um think Anna and John were the first to really kind of give us a good Deep dive in in their topic area um it would be great to
do um like at least a flyby of a couple more tonight um maybe not um too much time on it but um set aside some time in March for U like a workshop if needed or or now that we've had a couple months to to talk about it with with your teammate
um your partner um to come back then but Susan you were well just this conversation about the pond resonated because Kelly and I were talking about um strategies and we were saying coordinate with DP W for a calendar so
like leave your leaves isn't coming out when the town's announcing a pickup of leaves that kind of thing and then we also were talking about not or maybe we weren't but I made a note not only coordinate calendar but best practices
because John just mentioned those logs and there seems to be a lot of technical knowledge that maybe people on DPW may not know that maybe we could have inut so coordinate best practices with them as well as a calendar and that was one
of our strategies right and I think this came up with um just today with the town saying get ready for your leaves to be picked up starting you know zones one and zone two and yet the shade tree and the AC and I
say wait until at least temperatures are 50 degrees or above when all the insects are able to you know before you do your leave clean up and so if there's a way moving forward that we can coordinate and schedule so that what our commissions are saying and suggesting
could also be just followed and practiced you know but like a model like I'm saying you know best practices that the burrow is also doing as well following that theme because basically people clean up because it should look neat right and we think messy is better and I have the same thing with the Curve
line like along the street line I have grass growing I actually think it's a filtering agent for slowing stor M and absorbing there water coming down my street it hits all my grass along the curb line that's against everybody's neat freak you know way and I don't know it's is better I mean I haven't found
anything yet on that area but I certainly think that we do want to talk about better versus neat and sometimes things that are better aren't neat and live with a little bit of brush like right now I'm waiting same thing for to trim back all the you know clean up the the garden head right the dead heads
yeah everything is is there what I'm going to do is dump it on my pile my compost pile cuz I don't put out but um still at the end of the day I think it's better to leave it in place right if we can but I think everybody has this fascination with right show place look right so I don't know I mean
there something to think about in terms of Education right um so so kind just React to what you shared um the 50 or Kell what you just said the 50 degrees did did we put something out that said um so Nick actually sent something um to
both Christy chrisy sent it to Leah and be and I from a sh Tre and Sh Tre made a she already made something that said don't forget to leave your leaves until it's above 50° you know recommended for
to allow all the wintering insects to do their thing and then you know before um you brush them out and then they're they're dead um and so and not to mention our pickup isn't until April no it came out
today um by the Town March 28 no March March 14th to the 30th yes season right so I have to say as somebody you gonna say that with Sean
that the push back was from the landscapers who wanted to be able to come in earlier and get cleaned up before the bre starts growing so you've got push back from one part and plus the people who
like their leaves their their um want pristine now all you have to do is come to my house and you can see a non pristine one oh there you go we're gonna give you a commendation that's what we're gonna do right but you know should
we be ACC like and this is a question like should should the like do we accommodate the landscapers or do we accommodate what we want to do I can just if I can just provide some Fidelity because I've been intimately close to this right the the landscaper piece it wasn't to accommodate
necessarily the landscapers it was that by accommodating requests from residents to have greater time to clean up there was costs being passed on to the homeowner because of the landscaper schedule right so what was what was
happening was was because landscapers need to clean a property before they start cutting it and there's a certain sequence of that what was happening was because of the previous schedule there was a cost being passed on to a significant number of households because
the residents were cing It Away by he's having the ability to to to allow to get rid of it her spring clean out so that was that specific reason I see I see I see I see you shaking your
head I I I would suspend all pickup leave pickup L forever that's me I have a compost pile i' said this I say this every time we talk about that how many gallons of diesel are we blowing out to move leaves out of town and they're natural fertilizer natural fertilizer
and I I guess I'm I guess I'm a broken record to keep say again I could totally appreciate that but there's also certain practicalities that we have to find right and so so this is all part of
Education facilate change I apprciate strategy was to coordinate so those who choose could leave their leaves and have their lawn services come or it's still not a bad thing to just have an open conversation and see if they could be you know I I of
course appreciate Drew situation and it is one of the luxuries of not being in office that I can just say what I want so no I get I get you 100% it's just got to keep saying it the lorx has got to speak right you know and Kelly just so you know talking about the brush and leaf
committee is meeting again tomorrow to talk about additional changes and things that we could do so if there is specific items of feedback that you have Susan's on that committee feel free to pass it to her pass it to me because we're gonna go through another round of changes right the approach that we always Tak is
no ordinance is perfect so um okay I'll put that out there too for you thank you thank you because you know and and this goes into like something that we talked about and and another thing is how we can um generate more information right we are
we are not here to give you must not fertilize this you must not that but here's some education these are some ideas these are some better practices right we're all about education just putting it out there and let the homeowner decide right is encourage encourage right like motivate educate
motivate right absolutely and collaborate I like that but um we took it from the r they taglines what uh educate facilitate motivate and the silent see collaborate oh yeah you know
but anyway we are here to try to figure out you know how to educate and I think that there's a lot of stuff that we can work on just to provide for homeowners and for landscapers you know as well to to help with
understanding you know different so do we do we give homeowners a date and say you know April 24th is the day that historically I happen to know that April 24th is historically never below 45 degrees because the racing the racing tire on my the racing tires on my car
cannot be run under 45 degrees so that's when the car comes out of that's when the car comes out of hibernation um but the point is if we tell them April 24th is the date that you know it's never you know historically is never below 50 degrees that's the day you should pick
up your leaves if you'd like to get them picked up beforehand then you get them picked up beforehand but it's better for the environment and then someone like me who has a landscaper but loves not to pay him I'll just tell him not to do my leaves right right that's all that's all
you can really do so I think what you two are tasked with is coming up with these examples and helping us be proactive like so what should we be doing should we be doing something like what John just said as an example
like and that's a campaign that we run through Betty there's you know some imagery around it we do it through Green Team sh Tre is already on board well we we're trying to react to it now but I'm saying like that's a great example of where we have to have
an OP what's say we have an opinion and we should share it yeah and I'm fine with that and that's our Ro to share that now it I don't I don't think we should make it look like it's a conflict with what the city services are it's an alternative
like you put it in that context and is there so leaf pickup um like clean up from the from your committee standpoint Susan like that would be available the last week in April I'm just looking yeah zone three
and four don't get picked up until April that's why I thought our pickup is starts on April yeah so zone three and four pickup is April 14th which is very different than March 14th okay well right so zones one and two is like you better get out the next week two days so the strategy was to have a meeting and
see what kind of synergy between the schedules and best practices could identify and then tactically go into whatever we think is feasible so so we would ask for strategies come tomorrow night I can't I can't it's play no way
my daugh but I would say for you guys think this is a great opportunity to kind of break up property management into some and maybe you want to touch on what we talked about this week yeah but but touch on some some topics that are cyclical Le pick up right and like leave
the leaves right in the fall right just encourage people to leave the leaves and over you don't have to have fall clean up perhaps and have a pristine you know before the St if we go back to this this document remember we had these oh the sounds don't even every well it's always it's always the
thing what about things I don't like you know I don't botherers in February yeah I know private proper so anyway it's not is it private property when the noise is everywhere though it's good question it is it is a good question it's a I'm a
very I'm a very proactive believer and it's like it's a private property when you're like cut in microplastics and it's blowing and blown into your property like is you know just like question it's an e question it is right actually hey hey Sean can I just
can I just correct the record for just with with the pickup um zones one and two you can put out between 14 March and 30 March the pickup is 31 March right so it gives residents two full weeks to take care of their site and then three and four
putting out is between March 31st and April 13th would pick up on the 14th starting out so just so just wanted to highlight that the actual dates and how much time is is there and and so my question Susan for the fres Le could you could that be
pushed back a week or two weeks or anything a minable like why why change the schedule pollinators pollinators because the 14th is not below it's if it's everything is picked up by April 14th that's fine like I think that's what we I think saying it can it be
picked up after that well we have changed because I might not want to put 24 when John palet says that it's not above and it's finally saved are these the only after April I don't know yeah but but Drew made that Drew made that clear
with the land so but but Susan is there is there more Lea pickups in in May no no see that's it so I'm just wondering can spring cleanup be pushed back I'm just saying not this year but I'm saying next
year could is there leeway to push it back a week or two so that you can get to yeah if they have a landscape or the grass will begin to grow at 50 degrees what if they have oh I'm
sorry so that's where but I think rather than have it like this that's where we're looking for you guys to put some ideas down right I think John poti should parade whenever he decides it's 50 plus take the race parade to town as wait the side of
the back that says put out your leaves and everyone gets picked up that one week well say right because you're going to be temperature temperature MAV no no but but the yeah the groundhog no but the point is exactly what Drew brought up because I I I deal with Foxworth
Landscaping all the time and and the truth is the grass starts to grow at the same time as when you're asking to have the leaves stay so if the grass starts to grow at 50 at 50 degrees and we're picking up leaves at 50 degrees the landscaper now he's got leaves in his
way and he doesn't have time to get all the leaves out of the way so he can start cutting grass because grass is gonna grow by the end of April no mo may campaign yeah no a no a no a no pickup no mo campaign no mo may I mean you know we'll just keep it going just I'm just
it's late and I'm Looney so March could you guys come back and present present to to us we are March it is March April April we all
are I could use another month you want to give me another month I could use another month at my account are we doing strategies or Tech no I think we're going to go I lost another strategy to talk about but do
you want to do at the next meeting yes we can talk more about I we can talk to because this was decision so the idea was that each partnership was going to take um I had like a set of questions for each
partnership to work on and one of it was to just put your own thumbprint on it you know what are the what are the the objectives within that area that we want to focus on are we addressing like citizens issues resident issues or we addressing conflicts like this around
leaves um but that's that's what we're trying to pull together so we can have a more proactive conversation about this going forward okay great y so Anna and John presented one last month that you know they had their ideas down um they
had some areas of focus they wanted to drill down on further um and they're off and running and then John you ends question you're not GNA get much out of me but Jesse we're gonna be looking at the shoreline okay very
good no that's the idea here is we drive the agenda and so it comes from US Open up public are we ready to do a yeah I'm good with that you guys that next one can I just um before next month is April
so just to put on everyone's um just love where you live today is Sunday um April 27th from 1: to 4: at will Street in marter park um the EC does have a table so depending on what we want to do there whether it's ER whether it's
something else um bring I don't know depending on what we want to so just and then um I'll have see Christy would you mind sending Like A Sign Up Genius or something again thank you you know could do break up the shifts but it's it's going to be a great
time um a lot of you to go from a DPW police perspective right nothing El um I please we're good to go I'm waiting to hear back I have been in touch with Chris York about um a our green team budget for that day and B about DPW and who's covering the overtime for the
tables okay you anything for me just let me know yep he's meeting with Nancy tomorrow I think um the Natural Area is planning their clean up that weekend as well be Saturday and Sundays okay great
cool and they're aware of the the sharing of the Sunday all right um open to the public anyone with comments now is your chance uh can SE SE good thank you can I just say I'm glad to announce
that I got my lifetime claming permit at age 62 that expires in 2105 they give you 80y year permit I'm like I hope I can get close but obviously I'm very excited that the river is cleaner and we can clim in the
river that's great that is great that's two bucks by the way there are a few values left in the state of New Jersey you want a claiming license anybody above 62 two bucks you have to be above 62 well you get one in the annual it's two bucks annually but this is for life it goes to
21105 who else has an expiration did anything that's 215 there is a public comment onine please thanks hi uh Stephanie Adams 230 Oxford I'll keep it real quick um
congratulations John on your clamming license that's awesome thank um and so the first I I wanted to um touch base with you on the sustainable Jersey application just because I remembered that you were interested in an
Innovative action that was looking at emission savings with all the biking that we do in town and I thought that was such a great idea um so if there's any way that I can help with that or you know just to let me know all right I'm going to circulate to the committee I'll
send it to chrisy I already did the cin footprint impact year and also a proposed sign saying you know in the last 15 to 20 years this is what bik to school has saved in terms of cogon footprint we're just arguing do you put in pounds or tons probably pounds
because it makes it look a little more interesting but thank you I appreciate that and the other piece you know this is the kind of thing that uh maybe we should talk about how we should better quantify bike and walk to school right yeah that's an Innovative thing to really talk about that as a more
profound experience than Five Points I don't know 10 no you're right but like that that I can also see stuff too like that would be an amazing thing where you can talk and present the whole aspect of it at like the
sustainable Jersey conference right like that is oh yeah you know an amazing thing that our town does on so many levels like Community safe to school but then also carbon footprint and how long we've been doing this and and what has saved no I think it's important to
reinforce with the parents the kids and I think it's a good way toide keep in of people so maybe we could also talk about putting together a sign I'll show the verbage and I don't know who's got who's design yeah I I I mean Susan's way more
talented than I am but I can also help with that and and to that end um congratulations to Susan and Anna and Jesse and everyone who worked and John on the um er it looks amazing I hope that you bind up a copy and put it in the library I think that would be be
such a great thing for um residents to have access to um and then finally I just wanted to thank you all again for having Quinn I really appreciate he appreciate it as well your thoughtful comments and um your offers to assist but definitely get the ER in the library
thank you excellent yeah I'll say that could be also a good topic for Li live day but I just see like that um other communities should know about if we get the graphics if we get the graphics then I can get it printed Okay so thing is to just get it to me if we can get it so we
can bring it and then explain the methodology we can have it poster that explains the methodology the town should know I mean a lot of it's gotten way less kids are biking to school is that true growing up here for sure there's way more look at the line it it was never like that during it was it was
it's better now not it was 600 my kids B every single day I I I've learned my lesson that it just you just don't from where I am located and we bundle up and we were in this the entire January and February we had the entire
bike rack we called it the Flanagan bike rack we were the only ones Us in that biker and now it's gotten better but there's like during winter and it was like so why is it Dro off think just don't think people understand that this it was like part of the fabric of being
here well the other part is maybe we could do a historical sign and also do like why don't you right can you have you considered biking to school or send them to too by giving them through the school some kind of award for numbers numbers I got like a Twinkie like a
boxing twinky something heal there such as bad weather or just poorly dressed right like so you just you like we would be wearing our Turtle like our neck turtles and Gators and our ski stuff riding down Third Street are eyes tearing because of how cold it is but
like we just did it yeah like just no alternative and thankful for it because these kids need fresh air in the morning and I too yeah I already have the the calculations based on the Bayer Rapid Transit model so I'll send it around and you can take a look at it and again the question just would be what
would be the graphical package to go with it because I have the numbers but what should it look like you know um so the Green Team usually does every year two to Safe roots to school and bike to school day through the the state and uh we didn't have people power enough
Headway to do in the fall but we're hoping to do in the spring but I wonder if there's incentives encouragements more updated data about this and it could be just like more of a community awareness event too and be like there's a reason I I'll work on the history idea because like the transition day between
Norwood and you know CES in Norwood is like it's a bike based activity in the schools right and you ride your bike between and everybody does it everybody it's kind of in my opinion it's a little like chicken and egg it's what came first was it parents were worried about
their kids biking to school because of the safety so they drove them but that actually caused it to be like a little un like these big cars are on the roads sharing them with kids and I think if less people drove then parents would see that more kids are biking because it's not so much of a
threat of like a giant Cadillac no no we we we got we6 meeting you guys keep talking about it that's great wor thank you I'll we are J thank you everybody thanks guys for
joining online have a good night have a good night I've seen some good comparison or production Gra