It's on the >> It's too late. >> Okay. So, we'll call to order. Basically, this is a regular meeting of the Fair Haven Historic Preservation Commission. Adequate notice of this meeting has been given pursuant to the provisions of the Open Public Meetings Act. At the time of the board reorganization in January of this year,
the board adopted its regular meeting schedule for the year. notice the schedule was sent to and published in the Aspbury Park Press on January 31st, 2025 and the Two River Times on January 23rd, 2025. That notice was posted on
the uh bulletin board in the Burough Hall and has remained continuously posted there as required by the statute. Copy of the notice has been available to the public and is on file in the office of the burough clerk. Copy of the notice has also been sent to members of the public as have requested such
information in accordance with the statute. Adequate notice having been given, the board secretary is directed to include this statement in the minutes of this meeting. Can we get a roll call? Mr. Pavla >> here. >> Mrs. Jant, Mr. Anderson,
Mr. Schlutoter >> here. >> Mr. Heler here. >> Mrs. Vora, Mrs. Casey here, Mr. Smith and Mrs. For here. >> So, it's not really new business. It's
kind of old business, but I'm putting the new business category is the information that it's Sheila's birthday tomorrow. >> Oh, I didn't say anything, but I walked in. I don't want to spoil that. >> On the streets, that's it. Is tomorrow. So, happy birthday. And thank you so
much for everything you do. it. But >> I know I can say you make my life a lot easier since you've been on board. Much much easier. So, thank you very much. I truly appreciate it. >> Okay, so new business or out of old business. We have Vice Antonio Chapel.
We'll probably wait until council person >> Hello. Thank you. >> Paul shows up because she'll give us a little bit of information. Um >> the capstand I have information not information specifically but there is a hunch on the capstan which was um
I've been working on this program with Chris Brener that's going to happen and I indulge everybody to come on um January 28th in conjunction with the historic association some topics regarding fair haven history that's going to be at the community center but in talking to him um he had and we tal
we kind of struck the conversation on the capstone and and he seems to be convinced that that was probably from the dock, the original Albertina dot um at the end of Fairhead Road um and that it may have been moved to a residence. So, the information about it being part of a
residence was probably after it was taken out of there, somebody wanted it or somebody took it as part of their property. Um and he seems to be convinced that there is a photo that has seen that indicates a device on land that is exactly look that exactly looks
like that device and so he's going to be looking for that. Um, and it seems to make sense because Joe, you and I have talked about it that the way that thing is u kind of embedded in the concrete and the effort that was taken to move it is not something that would be coming from a house but rather something that
somebody deliberately spent especially years and years ago and spent a lot of time and effort to uh to preserve that. So um the search is ongoing but there's a little bit of a break in that. Um Tracy were just saying that um Chris Brener seems to believe that the cap
scan which is you know part of our whole business has come up in the conversation. Uh he has seen he believes he's seen photographs of the Alertina dock uh that shows that device on land and that what I was just saying is consistent with the efforts that were
undertaken to preserve it. So to continue to search for that and hopefully have some kind of information with that. >> That would be great. stuff like it should be for a commercial vessel, not for some private vessel. >> It's so big and so heavy. >> And and again, the way it was invented,
I mean, it's 3 ft of concrete. >> Yeah. So, >> a lot of people some people don't realize that when we say dock, it's a dock. It's at the foot of 21 road. When at low tide, you can see it's not the dock do.
>> Yeah, >> that's pretty cool. >> So, okay. Okay. Um, we're going to get back to bison hall in a minute. We just want to get rid of some of these other items. So, 21 Fair Haven Road and we'll switch to that. Tracy, any developments on that? >> Uh,
oh, thank you so much. I I do apologize for my meeting. I said I left that meeting early. I can take that here. Uh the as for the record is council person called
>> um yes 21 is progressing the um some of the we call site stabilization work has been underway that remediation been going forward and a demolition per has been um issued which means the the building can come down um
I don't know when that work will happen. Exactly. However, uh imagine not before the holiday and I can get back to you with something more specific if you'd like. >> No, it's I mean it's not something that we're pushing. It's just by way of update. >> Yeah, that's the status. if everything
is proceeding on schedule and a permit's been issued suggests the remediation has been um passed you know and um they'll I believe they do have to take steps during the demolition um if there's a safety concern all of
that is regulated so whether they have to house the building or it's all been you know deemed clean from the asbestous in the cop um >> have they done asus remediation Yeah. Have they taken spec out? >> I believe that's
>> was that part demolition? They do this. >> Um, that's a fair question and I can find out more. >> No, it's a fair question. Um, I can't answer it. It's a technical one. I'd have to ask.
>> Okay. >> All good on 21 road. >> Uh, yes. We we know we have some grant money to work with which will help us hire the professionals and that'll get underway next year and yeah
>> great Hagerty. We'll switch uh to that and I know that everybody received a copy of an email photographs that I got from Liz Hagerty. Uh and this of course is 27th Normandy Avenue for those of you that don't remember that was a project that was before us. Um there was
internal restoration done on the uh house that uh is on on 27th in Normandy. There was some issue with replacement windows and um the mountains that were installed in that structure. Uh originally apparently uh they they did
not come before the commission. They were unaware of it. Uh we then discussed it with them and there was a decision and a uh memorandum of action that was created uh requiring them and were requesting that they place um two over two mountains in the windows that were
visible from the street and in fact uh Miss Hagerty has responded and provided photographs indicating that by orange and she provided photographs via email uh dated November 21st 2025 which I have shared with commission. Um, and uh,
again, this is a project where it was primarily an internal restoration project. Somebody had commented on the windows that were utilized. They did come before us. They did in good faith um, make efforts to um, comply with what
we had requested and um, I would make a motion that would close that matter as the applicants have been in compliance with what they requested. I don't know if there's any comments or thoughts on that. I'll second. Okay. Forget about all that.
>> Mr. Pap, >> yes. >> Mr. Schlooter, >> yes. >> Mr. Color, >> yes. >> Mrs. Fura, >> yes. >> Mrs. Casey, >> yes. >> And Mrs. Forte, >> yes.
>> Okay. I'm not going to do a formal memorandum of action on this. I don't think it's necessary since there already was one. But I will notify the applicant because we have been going back and forth. Uh that in fact, you know, there's no further action that needs to be taken in conjunction with or I believe it was August of this year or
maybe July that we rendered that. So I will be in touch with her and close that out. Um back by Centennial Hall, Fisk Chapel, what do we have on that? Um well did I did so in collaboration with the
historic association and and of course with the support and encouragement of the historic preservation commission and research on the part of commissioners and um the historic association took up the the discussion about hiring a firm
to do the paint analysis and funny enough that was actually done this morning and Elise was on site if you she wants to add anything. Yeah. Well, we'll hear from Malise. We've been kind of waiting on that, but uh there has been communication between uh the bureau and uh this commission about that issue.
There was um there was an agreement that that could be done. Obviously, the request was made with no cost to the burrow, but to get this uh the issue as to the paint color finally decided um I thought there was a couple more steps that we may have to do, but that all worked out since it happened today. And
let us know what we found. >> Yeah. So, okay. a bishop. >> Um, this sweet woman, Melissa, came um traveled two hours from Pennsylvania this morning to come and climb a very large ladder all the way around for two
and a half hours around Bentennial Hall and she collected 13 different samples from areas all over sides, back, front, pluses. Um, and I, you know, took her on a tour outside,
inside and give her the background history of Westial Hall and she was really excited about this project. She had fit it into reciprocal and things to see in their initial communications and the content. Lovely to work with. >> Is this Steve? Is this the woman that
you had dealt with? Oh, is the same person? Okay. W I don't believe it is the person >> name her firm the name >> um BCA I can give you the well >> it's building conservationist the associates >> yeah associates yeah
>> and her next step was to she's going to bring it out to a lab and we should have a memo within six weeks >> six weeks so the photos that you're showing are actually she cut it >> yeah she had this little this little tool where she would take that's how she
took the samples of each. And >> did she indicate that to structure or you know see anything that sort of alerted you or that gave you any kind of indication? >> She nothing that she saw. She was like it was clearly white at some point but
um she said it might have also been stained at some point >> and that's all she could tell. >> Did she explain the process that they go through in order to be able to find find out find it out? Yeah. Um it's through these can
envelopes and pictures. That would be helpful. Um >> and while you're doing that, I'll just add um Elise met her on site with photographs. That's what we have, right? Eventually we'll have more work because the archive historic association is
working on, but that's not all attainable right now. But she had some historic photographs and things that she was able to share with Melissa. And you know, in some way, I guess that that in the aggregate contributes to how they go
about figuring out age and the paint and the layers of paint. Um, but it's very scientific. >> Did you share early report from um Miss Burl? >> Uh, I don't think I don't think so. >> We can though.
>> Yeah. you wonder whether it's necessary. >> I almost think it might be better to keep it separate um because one is contextual and this is very technical. >> Yeah. >> And the two together may reveal the same thing but um there's they're very separate kinds of examinations if you
agree. Okay. >> Yeah. Find it right now. But basically uh she in her I can You want me to take a stab at it? >> Yeah. >> So, they use a microscope with some sort of special light and the images are very
interesting because um I think what Elise is looking for is photographs of this paint specimen under the microscope that shows the layers and trained professionals who are conservationists
know how to read those layers. Um it's interesting. I guess the light does something, bounces, refracts or something. And I'm sure it has a really cool name. I'll never be able to give that to you without reading it. >> It might be spectral spectros.
>> I think that's it. Yeah, >> like mentioning that that that's what she had spectral analysis, you know. >> Okay. Probably >> unless the technologies changed >> because light is the I mean color is a fraction of light. Yeah. they, you know,
recreate or decrease light or do some kind of a >> to the human eye. It's just a reaction. >> That's interesting. Very curious to see that. Did she say anything about the sensitivity i.e. um
the um how conclusive or inconclusive it things might be that many times this happens perhaps it doesn't give you an answer. >> So in the interview we didn't ask that question. Um, we did zero in on how confident would they be about layers,
>> right? Over time, >> right? >> So, and she said reasonably confident. When they weren't certain, they say so. Um, so when they're certain, they say that. And I don't know that it was ever expressed as a percentage. But, um, I
think if they put a color match there next to it, it's because they know it was that clear. Was she and were you guys fairly serving? Joy chime in on is that the actual areas where they took the samples from were original components of structure that that she'd
feel confident. >> Yeah. Yeah. We went around a few times and she could just briefly say this is this is where she's going to take it. This makes sense. >> I think it was 13 samples, right? >> Yeah. >> So that's between them. I'm sure that
something I don't know. Do you know how much of that is original and how much of that was replaced if anything? >> I don't know. But if you're looking at for paint samples, you're going to go for the thickest parts of the paint, which have the oldest layers behind them. >> So that's probably what she was looking
for. >> What you know about the building though? You think that those boards that are on there, some of them are >> I'd say probably a lot of them are the original ones in >> and when you look at those photos for when they moved the structure and all they dismantle it from the exterior
>> only the south side are obviously new. Those were all new boys, but you tell others. >> In the um in the memo from Chris, I don't know if it was Drew's piece or something, there was a mention of we'll
get to 100% confidence. >> Um and I don't know if we will, but it's really good if this was done and it would take us as far as you can get to say it was a decision, a well done decision. But that's Chris's letter question about the the uity. >> Yeah.
So when I >> it's going to be that often >> you know they gave a percentage and I'm sure we could easily like Laura's work contextual it could all be challenged but the thing is with the she this
report will have a matching color from today's Sherman Wimlings I mean this palette they work with so if they select a color that you know that's a fairly high degree of confidence much more so I would say than a
contextual study but which has value by the way but it's different >> I'll be curious if it's conclusive that will be frustrating >> and to be fair her this is Miss Burwin's report her that number 90% was bas she said it was based on certain data all
that data was more her own research and reading findings it wasn't and a chemical. So like Tracy said, today's thing is just the fifth bullet. Now it's the chemical analysis. So between that research and that I think now we're going to be able to higher confidence hopefully. And on that on that same
subject of the color um can I think we we've rested or not that u the photographs we have did they provide dating for the historic association of not from today previously >> of the paints >> these do they have any idea they dated
in the oh I'm sorry photographs >> yeah photographs of this chapel that were in the prior report there's four photographs and they're white >> I think that's Wait back up is this for um Laura's work or are you these four pictures. Oh no, that piece
of work is >> photos from the Fair Haven book from the Gabriella book and they were like 20s or something like that. >> The 20s. Okay. >> Yeah. It' be very cool for you to have the dates if we actually had
>> the 20s is 50 years later if they're building. >> Yeah, exactly. That's >> that's why uh even the reliance on those photos like true a little skepticism at least in my mind. This photo for example on the top right of the of the report almost looks like the structures
abandoned by that point. So it may have been after they moved maybe been after they moved into their new location. >> These are not in the book. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, uh, as far as the council is
concerned, any action taken this six weeks within that time frame, >> it's a little bit longer than I would have expected, but it is the holiday. >> Yeah, it seems like half of it is in the lab and the other half is generating a report. So, maybe we'll get a little sooner, but probably not by much. And at
this stage in government, >> not much happens until right, I understand, you know, the end of the year, but is there any type of action that's on the agenda? So that's >> and I can follow up to ask if the mayor is going to put something on the agenda, but I mean I have a high confidence
level that it's not. >> Yeah. >> And I would suspect clearly that any kind of painting activity would take place before March at all anytime. >> Right. Right. >> Great. Uh well that's uh >> would you like to take questions?
>> Yes. Are there any questions or comments? >> Yes. Oh, I thought Penny had >> you. Can we hear you? >> Hello. >> How was >> Hi, Susan. >> Um, have you looked at the two
photographs that are hung in by Centennial Hall? One is the previous building, the original building, and the other one is labeled 1920 25, I think. And if you look at it, it
looks like it has color because the trim is painted white, which I find interesting. That's why I could tell that uh there's some kind of color on the side of the building. Then I did show her both those photos today and she
did also the trim was white. Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. So please don't make it chartreuse. >> Please what? >> Don't make it. >> Okay. >> Susan, are you still in Turks and Capos?
>> Yes, I am. >> So she should get a star for citizenship. That's what I say. Take a swim for us, please. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Any other thoughts or comments with regard to Vice Centennial Hall or
any other activity to report at this point? >> We are having an event there. >> Okay. Tell us about it. Um on Sunday, December 14th, um 11 to 4, uh we are going to be having
an event called Mule Tide on Main Street in collaboration with the Fair Business Association. And we'll have them display old photos and newspaper clippings and a fun little craft table for the kids to do an ornament refreshments. Uh complimentary
gift wrapping and an opportunity to fill out ribbons for our wishing tree. >> Great. And what day is that again? >> Sunday, December 14th. >> Sunday. >> And there'll be a trolley so folks can park once and enjoy. >> Is that a connection with like the Santa
thing? It does. That's >> Santa Fire. >> Oh, that you have two Santa. First Friday of December, Santa at the park. >> Yeah. >> And then on that Sunday, uh, from 1 to 3, Santa will be at the firehouse. So,
as the trolley makes its move around town, it' be a nice additional mule time with parents to think of adults. >> You know, we're sort of parlaying into association business. So, I guess you guys Anything else to report on the
equity association been busy? >> Well, I heard you mention the 28th Chris Branders. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Do you want to go over that? >> Yeah. Uh that is uh the 250th anniversary committee for Fair Haven in conjunction with the historic association fair Haven historic
association and leazing with the Rumson historic association. We're going to have Chris Barer is going to give a talk at the community center uh from 6:30 to 9 I believe on um January 28th and the
topics of that are going to be um just the well obviously by Centennial Hall will be one of the topics there'll be a topic about um the um creation of the trolley and u from Redbank to Fairway Haven and Swanson which kind of spurred
the development of foster the development of the area and also um a discussion about the Macarter estate and I'll be taking questions to provide some video and some other points and uh should be kind of interesting and again that's being done in conjunction with the association um and I think and
hopefully we'll be talking back to maybe launch the centennial program as wellundy old houses we have blacks and uh we're all ready to start announcing that and more information to come hopefully by the time we have our next meeting of this
moment. >> There's a there's a cute little video on social media featuring that trolley you just talked about. I don't know if you had a chance. Maybe you could send it. >> Oh, send it. >> I don't AI. You You'll like this one.
Okay. It's like >> it has it has red bank uh >> fairy who runs it >> and that's original sign. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. >> That wasn't a house. >> That Yeah, it's a real image.
>> Just the feeling that you can jump on it. >> But can you imagine today if we could jump on a twol to go to the beach? >> Yes. >> I I would take the traffic on. >> Think about it. I mean, you might put the Yeah, beach clubs are really about
the parking spot, but uh anyway, all those cars be great. Um I do have a a small update answer to the question, Mr. Chairman, about the um demo. >> Yes, >> permits issued for the demolition, the asbestous is completed. So, the
demolition can begin um anytime after Monday. uh the contractor is look looking for a go-ahad but that that hasn't been provided yet. So >> and then uh after demolition just to kind of touch back that base on that um
what is the next step in terms of what's going to do about be done about shoring up the property or like the bulb head is that going to be the next stage of what is going to be >> yeah there will have to be some grading and backflow after the I don't know if that basement was there that foundation be removed no doubt there'll be some
holes and uneven ground the goal is to um when this initial phase of work is complete that um what right now is not safe for the public will become safe. Well, it won't be in parklike condition,
it will be an a rough open space um as safe for the public. So, some you know a first degree of access available um level ground debris removed. Um there we are going to have to do something to
stabilize that. Um I don't want to call it a volcano. It's like a retaining system. Doesn't qualify as a bulkhead, I don't think. >> Wooden structure there to prevent deterioration that's kind of been under you know that that >> Yeah. So that would get some shoring up
and then some of the things that are more dangerous. >> I have I have one more question. Um I guess it's Tracy. I'm looking forward to July 2026. see in a sparkling
worn just chapel. Um but I wanted to ask the question of how we're getting to that because um >> council has made a commitment that that the work's going to be done and I'm not sure which work it is but there's a shortterm of things which all have to do with the exterior which this commission
will be interested in. Then there's a midterm list and then there's capital improvements and a lot of the things on this list u need to be done at some point. But do we have a prioritization of what jobs would
be done by July? Is it is it essentially all the exterior >> all of it? Yeah. And I don't know what you're looking at that would qualify as a capital improvement. So what's the document? >> This might have been the older document um from the prior >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, a lot of that is done and the the next wave of work is to
be completed um ideally before the semiquentennial is celebrated officially and um hopefully with one contractor. You can see that's it's an unusual list of work.
Some need to be completed by more specialized subcontractors, you know, but it we ideally we have a a unique hopefully we get good bids from good people who have a a >> do we do we have a projection and a
funding set aside for that covered. >> The funding is done. It's in place. And and we also have an $8,000 grant, which is one of the first things that Chris York did when he was put into office. He went after a grant to get um another
$8,000. I mean, the paid job is obviously going to be whatever um five times that probably, but um every bit helps. And there's a full commitment to complete this next piece of work. And the historic association is still
committed to a landscape design. Um and being involved in that directly, it's a little slow. Um but steps are being taken. We have to interview a couple of actually while we're all here together. Do does anybody know a good landscape
architect? We want a firm that can produce nice renderings that can be shared with the community to create consensus. A lot of landscape companies can do roof designs and you know
do it while they're on that's not what we need somebody to produce drawings and deal with you know >> complete decision. I think it was >> there um so a lot of people in Fair Haven are interested in um native plants but I don't know what the plants were. I
think it's always more important that the landscaping have some association to what the landscaping was. >> Well, you know, that's come up, but even before that, what we need to do is hire the right professional. Then we can give them that direction. >> Though Shay was here because I know that
he works hand in hand with the gentleman. >> Okay. >> You know him. Tracy, >> are you gonna have the same um Could I get just get this name first? >> I'm trying to remember her name. He said I've worked with her in the past. Um he's from as well.
>> Oh, is uh is it a landscape architect? >> So he's from West Chester. I mean I mean he does a lot of high high-end work. Um but I know that he uh works a lot with historic structures and I know that he's uh he knows sort of like the failed
whether it's consistent with the age of the structure and what would have been done by way of choice of plants and plantings. I had some experience with that and I know that he does that. Would you be able to give me >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. I'll follow up with you. >> And Tracy, my question was, will you
have the same um need for 21 Fair Road? Someone because that also is going to go to the public or a landscape. >> That'll be different honestly. That'll be handled by an engineer. I hope to get a landscape architect on there. >> Okay. So, we're coming first obviously on this. >> What? >> Fist chapel is first in the queue to get
a landscape design. Well, that's separate because um that's being um the historic association is running with that and in collaboration with government but um the 21 is a project of government funded by government which
should include the community which a landscape architect. All I was asking is if that group is looking for a landscape architect for the same purpose, someone that consentualize and we're looking for and is the same. >> No, because we have to go through government procedures for 21 which is
everything from prevailing wage and certain I'm it's more simple. I'm saying the the group of professionals that are out there. I'm wondering if there's a small uh pot of choices for it that will fit the bill for what we need here that maybe
that person eventually for if 21 if they're also doing the same work trying to find a landscape architect maybe they have names as well as >> I I don't think they go to so government has to like they put a few firms on the fence the firm involves a whole stable
of professionals one of which can include a landscape architect but a civil engineers marine engineer there's So usually you have to retain a firm and then that gives you the ability to work with a professional from the firm but that's different than what a private uh
landscape architecture does. Yeah. >> I've got a >> different place. Oh, you do? >> Sandy Henning. >> Yes, I met with her. >> She's wonderful and she's done some work at Centennial Hall. >> I have a name. >> Oh. um that we
>> doesn't do the renderings. >> I thought she did one for a client of mine. >> Maybe she had one done. She doesn't have the ability to do it now, >> but I like her very much. >> Um with the meeting with the uh school
today, I got the name of Vicki just helped me um remember it. The name of the people that just did Sickles in Nwood, the architect that they used. Yeah. Bowler. Bowler from Middletown. Yeah. >> Okay. B O H L E R. >> Yeah. >> Engineer.
>> Thank you. Again, that's a public >> but not something. >> I'm not ask I'm not asking to pay off the basket down the sort. >> Someone discuss. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So I I wonder if >> Yeah, that's a big engineering firm. They work with municipalities.
build where so a school would be like an institution and government would cause a governmental anyway but >> that the landscape architect >> particularly they know the history this shouldn't be an extremely expensive job because it's probably going to be simple
>> um just thought and hopefully he'll still do it to people who understand the history and the kind of things were surrounding those kind of churches but it wasn't an estate plan wrapped around Fris Chapel No, and I think that's what they do like
that for historic structures. They think of what were commonly planted plants and I would think that either it's for high-end houses, they would choose exotic plants and if it was for a, you know, church structure, maybe something a little bit less exotic, but I think
that the I just wonder if this person would be, you know, expensive. I don't know whether he would do it to donate his time. I will look into that and find out. And NMJ's firm does a lot of work with them. So he would be able to maybe he can twist an arm or something for that. The guy is brilliant and he is
well like he's you know he's published. I mean he's a real Yeah. >> I think last time we so except where we talk about things now um there is some heartscaping involved as well because we want to make the outside a multi-use
area or >> I don't necessarily think that involves heartscape. I didn't hear that word once. Sorry. I was at the meeting. >> Tell me what Well, tell me what the right term is. Benches, seating areas. >> Appertinances, appertinances, or uh we talked about reception area. Maybe you heard that.
Just so open lawn area could be just so we don't >> plants. That's all I'm saying. It's more than just tell us what the plans is going to be the design of the out. >> Well, I think they do pavers and >> right papa that concrete >> outdoor rooms.
>> Okay. gravel hardcape >> looking over 400 square feet for the facility. >> I will warn him. >> Sure. >> Um, which Vicki could probably speak to more, but be on the board of education, but they just released their strategic
plan for 2025 and through 2030 >> and we're on there. >> Nice. >> And under community and collaboration. So, it's a section where it's um They focus they're gonna we're going to focus on enhancing school uh community
partnerships and uh you guys this the storm association with the green team. >> Right. >> Yeah. So, I'm since I think since our last meeting I met with Cheryl Romano just go over uh how we could get more involved with the 250th in the schools
and we're kind of working on a plan what that potentially would even look like uh essay contest or poster anything. So hopefully by then or next day I'll have more of a update but add more to the
>> current. Yeah. It's kind of shocking that that really never happened all these years. You have to answer lot of people agree with you, you know, or they were kind of unguided. Yeah. >> To some extent. >> So was that something was pitched? How
was that pitched and how did that come about? >> So the strategic plan was basically a lot of community input. um a lot well I was in board last year when uh but we basically had three meetings open to the public to start kind of getting you know
the input from parents and the executives and um so we've been we put all these ideas together and kind of the our strategic planning committee put it all together and made it public but it's our like fiveyear plan what we're going to hopefully
accomplish in the next five years. So that's what that was added to it. >> Great. Okay. Any other comments or thoughts or updates from all their council stuff, historic association stuff, >> but I do want to give Chris York a shout
out. >> He's always available to answer an email. I sent that email not thinking that I was going to give you an answer in real time >> and he responded right away. I don't know if he knew I was in the room here. I think very well might have but um can't say enough.
>> Yeah. No, I agree. >> It's really great. Very >> really so excellent. >> Okay. Um any other any comments from the Zoom world. Um I will make a motion to accept the
minutes from last month. >> Yes. Mr. Scher, >> yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Pora, >> yes. Mr. Casey, >> yes. And Mrs. >> Yes. >> All right. Any other comments or
thoughts on either in person or on Zoom? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Hi, Stephanie Adams, 230 Oxford. How's it going? Yeah. >> Um, I had a quick question and I know
this came up at the historic association meeting and I apologize um, if I missed the answer. Um, regarding the event in January, um, which sounds amazing, very excited.
Um, I know that he's going to be uh talking about historic Fist Chapel and I I I think we discussed why it wasn't being held at Fist Chapel, but I don't know that I ever heard what the reason was. Um, so I
think there were some concerns that the community center is smaller. Um, was there a particular reason why it's not being held at um this chapel as opposed to Yep. Yeah. Very, very good question. I'm glad that you asked it so we can can
address it. Uh Chris and I had talked about it and obviously the our original thought or my original thought was, you know, you're talking about this structure. It's the perfect location for it. Why would you not have it there? Um some HVAC issues. Um especially with people coming in and out. Uh the end of
January is probably the coldest as it is. bigger problem is um the acoustics are just very very poor in the way the structure is right now especially for his video presentation. Um and along
that same line the new community center has AV equipment with a built-in speaker system, a mic and uh two screens. So um you know make uh actually expand on a little bit. Chris, I don't want to say
he was our second choice, but we did have an original person, Randall Gabriellen, who was supposed to be our speaker. He unfortunately passed away. So, we were in a little bit of a pinch of having somebody to give uh some type of a talk on that date. Chris uh agreed
to do it and uh based on his experience, he thought that the community center would be much better for people to be able to understand and hear and for him to give his video presentation at the community center. Um, so obviously since he's not charging for his work and since he's going to be spending his time and
has been really actively on it, I want to I want to make it as effective for the people. Um, I think that makes the most sense. And um, he thought that the people would get the most out of it in that location. And I want to say that the community center, I don't know if you've been in there or not, but it's there's a large room and I want to say
it can handle almost 200 people. Um I think it's like 125 or something. But if you remove uh the chairs and tables, that one room can handle I think in excess of 200 people. So I I'm not suspecting that we're going to have a problem with uh or maybe based on your excitement about it. We're going to have
a lot of excitement. Maybe we'll be turning away the doors, but I don't suspect that that's going to be the case. So I hope the question. >> Yeah. I And had I mean I would hope that it I would think I can't imagine why it wouldn't be well attended. I just was kind of thinking, you know, given that
he was talking about by Centennial Hall that um, you know, it made more sense. Yeah. >> And I and I I completely agree, but I just think for all those other reasons, uh, it made more sense to do it at uh, at the community center. And, you know, look, it also gives people um, a little
bit of a taste or experience at the community center as well. >> Sure. >> Be able to launch that building and to get it. You know, I was in it for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I was very impressed and I'm certain there's a lot of people that may attend that event that have never been there and so they get to see where their tax dollars are going. So I think it, you know, probably
serves multiple purposes. >> Whoever is whoever's uh doing introduction, it would be useful for them to just say a couple words about why it is there. It it would put things in context and people would appreciate that. >> That's your voluntary for that. >> But also it's right around the corner.
So to your point, whoever is doing it can just point people if they want to go visit by >> again I think you know to your point though would it have more effect you're actually in the structure discussing clearly but uh again it was it was uh there was deliberation uh with regard to
that and I think all things considered that uh that I'm satisfied with uh the I think that it will work out better that way >> and and I'd like to add I think that um already you know with with with the fiscal lead facing down there's been I
think think the word is when you don't see it you can't think about it so it used to be you drove by it and what happened there now that's gone and I think the positive part of that I think we should never miss an opportunity and Chris is the Chris Brener is the perfect person to do that to remind everybody
that's there by the way the people that worshiped in fist chapel many of them went to school on the ground where we're we're today and I think is uh it's a it's a brave way to keep reminding people about what was there before. >> Yeah. So in that respect
against the words as well. Yeah. Great. >> So and at and part B um I guess Tracy the I know that they're still working on the the list. We don't whatever we call it now. I'm and I'm
assuming that like AV systems and um what do you call it? acoustics, like that kind of stuff is being addressed on that. I mean, I'm still calling it a punch list, but I think there's a new name for it. Are those things that that are making it onto that list or is that
like a separate phase of um >> So, there's there the current I'll still use punch list. >> I mean, I'm so sick of the word, too, but punch list. Yeah, >> final bucket. I don't know. we you can give it a new name if you want, but
anyway that it does address um I should to back up and say that it's a very rough list that you know an actual pouch list or list of work items would provide um detailed specifications
of what specifically you're talking about and what that looks like and how it gets installed and you know for each item. Um and all that information will come to the Historic Preservation Commission. uh for them to do what they do best, you know, look at it, understand it in
within the architectural significance of the building and so on. Um but the other piece of it is um the the historic association funded a grant application which was awarded in the amount of like 38,000 something for
programming which was sort of the next phase of planning where it goes into what's going to happen here. Is there going to be a little museum? Will there be displays? What sort of displays? Then you go for grants to actually fund the building of the displays if in fact that's something the community wants to
do in that piece of work is acoustic analysis and um and yeah. >> So that's not imminent on the that's not on the punch list. That would be the next phase with the grant and the
programming is when that like boil this. Yeah, I can't boil it down to a simple answer. The truth is I'm um tracking both because there are areas in which they doveetail or they should. So either either that or the scope of the work has
to be adjusted. So it's a more complex answer but it's more truthful right you usually like to do the planning and then the >> will will the will the HPC um will the HPC and I guess to a certain extent the HA will will you all have any
um I mean I know it's not your area of strength but I guess who's coming up with the list of contractors that the bids go out to. Is that just coming from burough engineering or is that also going to be
working with the historic um committees or groups in town to to figure out who who who gets submit? >> It's a really good question. Typically, it goes through the engineers and there's platforms that are known, you know, to those professionals where they
post work like this for to receive bids. But um this is this is an unusual piece of work and so they have to be able to do they have to have the certification that's appropriate to work with government which is different kind of insurance and you know we're doing
public work is different than private work. So they have to have that plus they have to have the sort of skilled artists from you know it's not just a normal painter that we're looking for right. So, um I think having the right group of people to put this job out to
is going to become important. Um it's a it's a question I'll I'll put before um Rich Gardella and the Burough administrator. I think they're already tuned into it because Laura Burwin is advising on the work and um because she specializes in preservation perhaps
she'll have some suggestions along those lines. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Criteria that's ordinarily used in bidding those public projects or rewarding a lot of it has to do with finances. But I would I suspect that on a project such as that betting the
contractor would have shown experience with historic structure something that's going to be factored into the ultimate decision. Um to answer your question before, I don't think that's a decision that's going to come from the preservation commission in terms of the vetting of a contract uh a contractor
because that's going to be an exclusive decision that the bureau is going to make. >> All right. >> Okay. All right. Um thank you. >> Anything else? >> Oh, one other thing before we close. I did have an opportunity to go to
Portland State. I don't know if anybody's done that. >> I would say >> it's awesome. It's a great thing. I mean, it's really worth it to get I don't know how long we'll be doing the tours and whatnot, but it's it's out on uh you know, off of like Gray Creek in the middle town. Uh it's like a loc
area, but it's pretty cool. It's a cool story. They really did a great job restoring the house, and the area is really nice over there. >> Oh, you like it or you don't like? >> No, there were field trips planned, but we just couldn't get there. I think it's for the spring >> might be. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So, I'll make a motion to close.