good to go yeah okay this is the regular meeting of the Fair Haven historic preservation commission adequate notice for this meeting has been given pursuant to provisions of the open public meeting act at this time the board reorganization in January of this year the board adopted its regular meeting
schedule for the year notice that the schedule was sent and was published in the Asbury parkk press on January 31st 2025 and the two River times on January 23rd 2025 that notice was also posted on the bulletin board in the burrow Hall and has remained continuously posted
there as required by Statute a copy of the notice is and has been available to the public and is on file at the office of the burough clerk a copy of the notice has also been sent to members of the public and have of the public as have requested such information in accordance with the statute adequate
notice having been given the board secretary is directed to include this statement in the minutes of this meeting um can we get a roll call Mr Pablo yes Mr Anderson here Mr
schutter Mr hel yes Mrs Bora yes Mrs Casey yes Mr Smith yes Mrs for yes okay so um I wasn't here at the last meeting I know that there were some introductions but Mr hel Miss Casey and
Miss Forte welcome hopefully have a good experience here I'm excited to work with you guys hopefully you guys are as well and um yeah it's it's early on we don't have any applications obviously things are much different when we have applications um and even though we didn't have any I kind of since it was
probably a little bit um the meeting La last month um I don't know whether you got a full feel or full dive for what we usually do um you know I figured it was probably worthwhile especially since we haven't really met on some of these other issues in a while to uh to have the meeting so welcome aboard I don't
you know obviously if you guys have any questions along the way I always feel free to ask any one of us but all good happy to have you um so the um the elections took place everything was taken care of I guess um were there any issues or outstanding issues with regard to the
election no and I apologize that number four annual commission chairperson Vice chair person should not be on your agenda tonight because we've already done that okay and I know that there were there were meeting minutes from both November
and December um none of them have been adopted yet have they not yet okay I'll make a motion to adopt the November meeting minutes I wasn't here last month so I can't or for no for December I don't believe I
was second that motion the adoption of the November meeting minutes I'll second [Music] yes this is Bora yes Mr Smith yes and then somebody has to make a motion for
January since again make sure that we look good then motion to motion okay Mr motion Mr Anderson
yes Mr her yes Mrs Bora yes casy yes yes okay so we jump back into a conversation that we had off the Record concerning uh what was the the actual
street address on River Road that we were discussing 775 so 775 River Road is there seemed to have been some concern um about the extent of the construction that's being done there whether or not they were approved uh and whether or not
they ever even had filed an application and uh off the record of course we were able to establish that there was an application that was filed it probably seems in June with the with the memorandum of action being issued in July uh I do recall a com ensive set of
plans that was submitted um and uh from a builder and a uh and an architect who we who who this commission knows from prior projects and has in the past at least um acted in accord with what we have sort of requested and also acted in
accord of what they have presented um so uh there was some questions from the audience and some questions from the commission members about that I don't know whether there remains any questions about that application um yeah but we have establish it there before Katie is actually pulling up some
of the plans which appear to be uh plans generated in connection with the zoning or uh planning board application that presumably was made on the property um because they seem comprehensive their professional plans and I do remember them being in pretty great detail um I
did receive uh I think it was to the entire commission or to Sheila and Jay perhaps there may have been a stop work order that was issued something having to be done with the uh foundation and from the information that I was provided appeared to be a
replacement of the brick Foundation that was uh already there but I think it was maybe a brick veneer that they were placing and that was consistent I recall with that being part of the application I indicated as such in an email and uh at least from what they presented and I haven't heard anything so I'm not
certain what the status at that is now I see active construction going on there so I suspect that that uh that issue has been resolved so um any other questions or comments about that project nothing from the audience okay
very good um so under old business our next issue is Bicentennial Hall and update I understand that we have um couple of things uh we have council member Cole here um maybe you could present us with any updates as far as
what's going on on from the burough standpoint sure uh um last one we had to the council met had to entertain its first change order and it had to do six roughly $6,000 plus dollars so I
recall the exact am um this is obviously the ada8 work is underway I think everyone knows that and our first change order was approved last night um and it had to do with um some of the uh what's the board called that goes on top of the foundation
water table or the sil Sil thank you the sil it had there was some rot in there and it rammed soort we can see where the water was moving and obviously they want to correct that condition while we're in there so um money will spent because it's going to help keep the basement dry
and obviously got to keep the work moving so um it's a 10we project and I know that there's there's no impediments to that timeline at this time so um what needs an outstanding body work has to do with the punch list stff we've talked
about we also approved last night um an $8,000 Grant which was awarded for U to help offset the cost of painting by Centennial Hall uh I have to credit Chris York um the regant application came up very quickly and in
a extremely short period of time he put the Grant application in um yeah to the Grant from it's from the County histor Commission oh there a cap of 8,00 or 10,000 and faen was awarded eight based on his application how how to cover how
much are the expenses how much are the we're probably looking at a pretty expensive paint job um that's great I would be spitballing but it's going to be north of 40 I think you know will they repaint it with the same colors that well the colors are really sort of
a historic reservation discussion I mean it's we have to look at and by we this body most certainly should have should participate in the Discerning what the right color
is for the for we have one missing member who feels very outs and you know there's an idea of what is the quote unquote right color versus what was the original color and I think that the green that you know is not necessarily the most popular color
was the original color you know what it was a different time you know and that's that's part of the flavor of it and a lot of stuff was all painted white as you got into the 20th century and all the shutters became black and you know all that sort of stuff but it reflected
a different time you know yeah um I I see this as a small piece of Investigation you know looking at historic photos if we can or any kind of resources that are available well you know what they did originally was they did a pain analysis where they actually
went down and I think I so that's where they came up from but it's also you know consistent to the period that it was done what what did what do you think the color was in um 1876 it was the color that isn't close to the color green yeah in fact when I
when I I've been to a few this past summer I was in Richmond Hill St Island there's a historic village there oh yeah Green all green that same green really the I was at the birth place of um Susan B Anthony Green there green so
I noticed that green wherever I go now photos of of Fisk Chapel original like early photos of it green and early on they think they painted it white and it was white for you know probably from the early 1900s on and that was the
start yeah it it really after the you know like the Chicago World's Fair and everything where everything was white and you know kind of going back to and it's funny because they reflected that's they thought was happening in Rome all the the Roman temples were all painted
got washed off and that's another so there two historical colors with this Chanel that were actually that's put there by the people the chapel that's what I I understand I I wasn't here when they did that analysis but I I believe that they
actually they got a professional to do that and back at that time we sidetracked you a little bit sorry that well it's important because if money's coming up you know it's a it's a good discussion it's an important you know and buildings do have you know get
changed over time and you know that's a an ongoing question do you bring it back to the original or some pivotal time during its history and to Tracy's Point like as far as the timeline Tracy so the grant is here are coming in what is the timeline now for there's
going to be a obviously a bid find the painter there's going to be have to be dis or there have to be a discussion of finding painter what's the process is the question right yeah from the timeline so at some point in this process there's going to be hey painter painted this color and between now and
that yeah point there has to be like you said the decision on what that paint's going to be because the painter is not going to make that decision no okay um the timeline is it's longer than I wish it was and we you know we're not going to paint the building without fixing the
Basin so either paint the exterior paint is really one of the the last things to to happen but um that has not been determined the determination that was made by the governing body initially was to
lump the um the punchless work with the Ada work or at least but that did not plant pan out for all the reasons that I've reported to you kind yeah um So currently what has
been reported to both the lease and myself is is that um there'll be a period of time after the Ada work is complete where Bend will be back open again uh while we get the community center back up and open and running and
then once that's hit its Groove we'll go back to Vice Centennial Hall close it again um now this is coming from Chris our B administrator who's very he's got a long strategic view shed so I think I think it's probably smart planning um
cuz the community needs to have these facilities for meetings um and the but the coming back to the bigger question I think this this to me is one of the biggest questions um and I personally
I'm not gonna I'm Not Gon to say I don't care I'm G to say I want the color that the community wants so the question is what process do we use to identify the right color for Bicentennial Hall um as far as when I look at our structure of
government that building and the question of the pink color Falls squarely within your jurisdiction um so I would say to you how would you feel comfortable and what under what conditions would you feel comfortable and would you want support of a professional to facilitate that you know
it'd be helpful if you guys could discuss not so much what the paint color should be but what process you would feel comfortable with in arriving at that right P color you might not answer it tonight I would agree with you I think definitely this is an
HPC yeah it's kind of we've never advocated paint color at least for buildings within the historic district it's something that we've specifically stayed away and kind of said well we don't need CH you know we don't choose paint for people but we do do anti-pain we wouldn't let someone put up a hot pink picket fence in the historic well
know I I think the concept of a hot pink picket fence is one thing but I don't know like we never dictated paint colors on but just hear me out though uh but it's a little bit different because of our exclusive jurisdiction of the of Fisk Chapel um so I would think
that um since there's historic implications in the preservation of that structure it maybe we'll have to think about how we would handle that but I don't think it's I I don't look at it in under the same lens as we would for just a an application for a structure in the historic district I think it's something
that we may have a little B more of a say on um otherwise how does it get decided to take a vote uh you know but it's still something that is it something we have to approve it would take some thought and some discussion I'm glad that we have a little time to do it because it is so important uh you
know when all the work is done and when it's brought up speed if it you know if it really doesn't have its luster because of um you know unfavorable color or something well you know and you want a little bit of Education to go along
with that because it's not familiar you know you don't drive around and see these pet of of colors that would have been present there so I mean I I think I love that pad here because she would was involved in that that research
and the P but also you know there's a number of you know mentioned before that maybe that's not what people want to bring it back as originally there's some other point I mean it seems like the worst thing would do is just say oh let's painted you know like you do black windows now and white you know like you
know that modern farm the association well that's that's exactly what I was going to say so I can I can Envision a scenario where the association may have some idea of what they want and you know there could be a pitching of you know an idea sort of you
know Jay kind of hit it right on the head um in a sense that things evolve his history evolves and if they wanted to Veer away from the green color because I know that this has been an issue not everybody loves the green color to sort of pitch it and we'd make a decision B you you know from a
historic perspective just like somebody wants to do a renovation on a house and we take proofs as to whether or not it's consistent with the the nature of the original structure I would recommend that we set
up a group of folks that includes some people from here some people from the association maybe someone else and you Charter them and say you have 60 days come back to us in 60 days with recommendation for what that paint
color to be and it could be this group of people could disagree but they vote or whatever process they have then they come up with that recommendation and then they hand that to the buau as say when you're ready to go with your painter here's the C I think you're leaving out a few stakeholder groups I
sure am what I want to what I want to avoid is a process that leaves people out and a process that leaves anyone or any group on the hook along without any kind
professional I I'll just finish the statement the um and I don't have the answer but I do think we need professional guidance whether it's just for contextualizing the information about the different colors over the years or how history informs paint
choices you know that kind of thing will help whoever makes this choice because they they would be asked well those my two I would say don't want to leave out any stakeholders and you want to make sure you have some professional guidance to create cont or
contextualize the decision making and and education because it it's not something that we would all readily be you know familiar with and if was like oh that's my favorite color yeah I mean it's okay but and especially when you're getting different
groups because they will see it you know without any kind of re you know relevant background and have it ejer reactions what was I mean it's one thing if they don't want the original color but it's you know good that they do it knowingly and and and correct so I think it's
almost getting somebody that or a couple people that would be able to talk to our committee talk to the you know all the other you know people in the buau that would have a say in it and give them an idea of what that so would that be a recommendation from the P hall
stakeholders group that group has not met in quite a while and we're a little overcommitted in my personal opinion but you know if it requires even if we were to reconvene that which is kind of what Katie I think you were getting at it would be a it would be a a 2.0
stakeholder grou 2.0 but um even they wouldn't have any professional guidance so let me ask you one other question and Mr chairman you can decide if you want to ponder this and move along but
the um if you if you were if you had the ability to choose a professional to um to to help guide that process do you know who you would want and do you have some ideas about what questions you
would want them to be able to answer for you because it'll be a little bit of research right you want it'll be somebody has to do that work you have an idea of who the guy that obviously comes to mind is path Liv the uh yeah you know historic architect but I think he's out
probably I mean ask him that kind of question or the historic nature of it and I think there was it wasn't the the gentleman I think there was originally a woman that was had done that analysis I Her Name Escapes Me Now I would know yeah she would know what color was it
Susan do you remember in 1974 before it was moved was what color was it prior to it being moved to his current location I think with white I think I remember seeing photos of it from the Gabrielle and book showing it being moved and it was white the reason I
asked that is because the collective memory of the folks that worship there their visceral experience with the building not that many are alive but they're I think that like Jon was saying I think that would be an important Point
obviously we were restoring something from 1000 BC history but we have a we have a church that there are actually people in the community that were inside that church mhm and if if the if painting it to what they remembered it
as maybe the green means nothing to them maybe white means something I don't know I would think they would be part of the yeah I mean look I think in concept it would it's going to take uh individuals or people to have uh sort of an idea of
what they want to present that and we'd have to make a reason decision based on what's presented um and based on own analysis too and I think you um that that if we know what colors have been on that building and you wanted that to have historical presence it it
will be easy to eliminate 20 million colors which is we shouldn't really be interested in something that's completely harmonious with with all the colors in this town but that building can stand on its own and the landscaping and everything else around it will make it will make it a beautiful building but
I don't think you going to have too many colors to discuss unless you're going to open up you know to to 1930s Colonial colors and you know all these different colors sounds like you have white and green and maybe something else well I I would encourage you to avoid an either
or decision because it does create a a conversation of opposition Mr who facilitates public conversation so I understand you maybe introduce something that's also architecturally appropriate for the era the either or would be are we trying to put a color on there that was once on
there or open up to any colors that that might look like the houses across the street or around this town I think any and to me what so then then that's either that would be like the third either the original or perhaps some
color that it was at at some period whether it was yeah 100 years ago or 50 years ago or 25 years ago or but like you said plan Z is like another color that that one is gray like my ass are you familiar I know with the Allen
house in in Shrewsberry do you know if that plan cuz they have obviously it's that Rusty red color do you know if their plan is to keep it that color are they facing the same dilemma I'm under the impression they're keeping the same color so they because that's another
example of a building that some people go it looks you know that weird brown but if I'm if that's another Historical Society that's choosing to just even even if not all the public loves the color they're choosing to come
with the original stick with the original yes they're I can find out yeah that's the one at the corner of Sycamore in Broad Street yeah yeah um the ada8 can when is the time how long at least you recall they should be done the
second week of March oh come on up quick yeah going speaking of the Allen house too I don't know if you've seen any of the pictures in that you know gabri books and so so forth it had been uh uh renovated over time to where it didn't look like a historic structure at all
and then you know they went back and and were able to do some you know research and got it back to something that reflected much more but it would have been you know some some you know prior time anything
else uh 25 oh yes who was that last night's meeting I was watching so that was the approval of resolution that the town is
going to support the joint Rumson Fair Haven celebration for the 250th anniversary of Declaration of Independence yeah tell us a little bit about that the um basically you know if anybody was old enough to remember 1776
or the bicentennial I remember 1776 right I got a banana scene I forget what these bars are called bar or the bar was in the back anyway um it's uh the bicentennial was a celebration of
our nation's birthday basically and this is called the semiquincentennial because it's our 250th we are 250 years old in as of July 4th 2026 um the entire nation is celebrating this and it's been organized like by
state and then each state is telling a piece of the the the nation's story of the coming with Independence and um then within each state of course New Jersey had 21 counties and each county has an
assignment and ours the county of MTH is um the revolution the piece of American History that's going to be specific to the Revolution and our immediate territories were somewhat involved in obviously the revolution so battles and
scribes and so on and the idea is that each municipality is going to celebrate this day um you know whether you decorate bikes and have a parade in a townwide barbecue or you decide
to um publish a coloring book or I mean I could continue to spend out whole bunch of ideas and you know there'll be a group of people you guys should have at least they have input to um decide how we're going to celebrate but next year in the summer of 2026
there'll be a celebration and last night's vote was really just RSVP for the party it's like yeah we're in and there's a commission that's been set up may atast maybe you want to just talk about that a little bit uh joint Rumson Fair Haven commission to uh you know they're basically in the origin meetings
now but trying to put yeah together um so far there's been two meetings um between the Rumson HBC fairen HBC and the faav historic Association and it's open to anyone who wants to participate
really um the next meeting is going to we're trying to do it in Fair Haven on March 20th and it's just been like a brainstorming session so far kind to figure out what we should do make sure whatever events we have R we don't overlap on the same date um and trying
to figure out what we should highlight this sounds like they're going to do the Battle of blacko we don't have any battles here but U maybe some school plays or parades or anything yeah and and it's not just one day the way the
Rumson participation commission is looking at it is and inspired by things that are on the mammoth County website um it could be a series of things and some of the discussion was that if Rumson says we're going to have a a movie night like a revolutionary war night maybe we have a
movie night there's a lecture in rson maybe Fair Haven will have a lecture or so sort of don't reinvent the wheel like if someone's brainstorming something there we can just take that same idea here and maybe scale it to like you said we don't
have a battle of skirmish but someone did ride through town on a horse okay I know hudies leap over at the over by the uh he jumped out jump escaped [Music]
there H yeah right well it's right by the r brid out little plaque there by the yeah yeah yeah um so so far the plan is to also try to incorporate other committees or commissions or groups so
whether that's like plant a tree and get the shade tree commission involved or do a townwide picnic with Parkson recor what we're open to anything everything anything you guys want to see sounds like the love where you live yeah table
yeah maybe anything else on B Antonio Hall while we you know I kind of SK is there anything else that you you Tracy last month um you had thr out of request I did for um ideas
for I forget how it was worded um put the permanent location just ideas for where the transom oh oh no in addition to that your no there was something um about education and advocacy and and
digital archiving or whatever that's going to be no Steve put together a presentation I didn't ask for anything about that oh I thought you requested feedback because you said we going to have multiple meetings to get input to put the list of things that need to be done for f Che Rel fish
Chanel I think that's when I was um explaining what the grant would fund right that is not any work that has been in this yet right so I think I see some right here so Steve put together some
ideas just to throw out there to be ready to go when that Grant comes well the Grant's been received which is great and then once that work that work will start when the governing body Awards the job to the planning and design firm that
will do the work to the community right and then when when that happens they'll put together some sort of overview with workflow chart and then um organize and call meetings and kind of facilitate the whole process right and I think that when we had talked about that we said
way back we said when those folks come forward they may say what do what do you what have you done that might be part of their process what do you have for us to digest and say you I don't even know what I don't know if this is with your time it's not structurally related at all it's about the communications
education plan that would be that would be developed to really raise the status of Fisk Chapel like among the community among the children and everything else so people understand what it what it really is the town's changed so much since since BenTen Hall was um since it
was named BenTen Hall so some things need to happen there as it's being built or as soon as the rededication happens I'm assuming there be some kind of rededication when it looks much different than it does today yeah like when it's all but bow on it kind of is
that what you mean well I mean no I mean I mean having a communication strategy that re-educates the town on why F Chapel is historically important what it meant to the African-American Community um how the developments that occurred in
FIS chapal often run parallel with history of Fair Haven so that's that's great things for middle school kids High School AP History kids and all the people who moved into the town who were new would understand we have this real
gem sitting right here in town historical hi FIS Chapel but they really don't know they know what they know is it's B Centennial Hall and most people don't have a clue what the relationship is between Vice aneno home and F Chan so these were ideas for communic PA
education plan that would go along with the physical rehabilitation of the chapel the paining the roou I think there is um and really at least you're probably the better person because it sounds like um stuff the historic Association is in it's working on like a
a website and multiple social media yeah these are things that through discussions with Pat um and Katie and some discussions in the past with ad and other people these are all the ideas people always tell me them I just thought you were asking for some ideas from this group that would be
incorporated into the plan when that moment happens you'll know because you will be included in that process you will bring your thoughts your ideas you'll you'll either be in a a meeting room or at a table or
under a tent that but it'll be facilitated by profess I think all right so if that's the case it sounds you don't want to hear these right now uh what I think is important is that some of the things that going to here take a lot of time and a lot of work I was assuming a lot of it would be done by
volunteers if it's done by by Consultants you have the right kind of Consultants that can do it maybe they can do it faster but there are a number of us who are willing to volunteer to do this work takes a great deal of work to do what I'm talking about correct you I
I I don't I don't this is not my meeting this this the chairman I'm not um saying I don't want to hear anything I'm I'm of theot so well I might misinterpreted what you're asking for and I obviously did but I think what you're doing now is a great service and and and we're
obviously very focused on the built environment but the whole educational part of why it's important is great and rather oh look at that Green Building over the bicentennial I thought it should be red white and blue and there is a significant public
Gap there's a gap that social media that were kind of behind a little bit on the eightball cuz I've been talking about this folks on on um social media are saying what's happening with f does anybody know the history pleas share in the history there's a lot of armchair we included historians that put stuff up
there and people are hungry for it hungry hungry hungry oh I never knew that should know that why is it so my point is that between when the when the formal Communications plan and the and the stakeholders and all the public focus groups come out between now and
then what is the process of getting education out and maybe it is the association yeah what I'm heing Steve is it seems like this what what you've worked on and what you're you're telling us about is more of a historic Association piece um and at some point
and you're a member I assume that you've been working or you've been communicating with people I'm not you know I'm not on the trust you don't have to be a member you don't have to be a trustee I mean you be a volunteer somebody that assist with that at some point the association as a
body will adopt or consider these things that you're talking about and at that point the association would probably convene and talk discuss with us these things that they make a decision to do um so I think that's kind of the way thing but I as you said this is not
something you can snap your finger and have it done I think the fact you be willing to to you know get the ball rolling with that is great service to it's very different because it's again it's not the structure and the question is does the preservation commission is
it going to get involved with things like this because this is not about preserving the building it's actually it's more about preserving the hist yeah sorry you know I don't know that we're where the commission is involved in educating the public necessarily or involved in uh you know the
communication aspect of it um well it is in we've talked about there is we haven't formalized that process for us yet but the association does have as a charter and I forget what the exact committee is there is a committee called
archiving um education with one programs and AR programs and arching so that is in our Charter so yeah right well it's not answering the question that was asked so I don't need to present this if anybody wants to see
it or we could um you could take 10 minutes only to understand what the Education court might involved but it's it's really sounds like as it they off Target yeah be very interesting now some some other point
love to see I mean if you want to present it if you want to tell us about it well let me let me let me just uh we take take 10 minutes yeah that's what it is um maybe this is just a setup for things you're going to hear in the future this is purely a draft it's not
just for me um Kati is the only one I got direct response from Pat's not doing well but she said what so basically I tried to put some things together and what's important is is that we have a plan for the rededication the
historical part of it not just the structural part and trct to do that um so if you just flip to the second page the actual concrete details on the third the intent here is that the
mission of a historic Association to rededicate the FIS Chapel these are my words and some feelings I got from other people I don't know if that is actually the mission but I think it needs to be as a historic treasure in Fair H in the Fair Haven story but the rededication is
two parts one is a historical restoration that's not what I'm talking about here and it's not what many people have gotten very far on the second part is some communication strategy that would proudly honor the chapel in the community as it
rededicated um and in this piece of paper I'm talking about a volunteer team developing a sustainable strategy that enhances the messages that come out of that chapel and the reach of the story I don't know if it's a volunteer team it might be a combination of Consultants
Etc I have no idea what the budget is or how much money is available um it doesn't take a lot of money to do this but it does take a lot of time if you're going to hire a consultant it will take it will take a bit of money and some of the strategies and here should should be prioritized before this Chapel has a
rededication ceremony or before it opens up and tries to you know get the spark back in it so the next sheet just it's a short um and what's important about it is I think this should be driven by
goals and these are just the drafts that we were to provide to um Tracy but I've got four goals in here which capture much of what teams were talking about and these are not stretching stretching the budget or outrageous things these are all things
that are doable and that that would make a difference the first goal refresh the Fisk Chapel story in the context of the history of Fair Haven and the African-American Community um what's different about that goal is our current historical overview in the chapel is
mostly structural its dates this happened then just provided money then uh ground versus Board of Education happened there so we have a calendar a historical thing but it's mostly dates and it would I think it would be um it would bring it more to life to have more
personal stories and more context from the African-American community that was wrapped around that disc Chapel that that's one goal second one is to elevate FIS Chapel identity in the context of B Centennial Hall not exactly sure how you would do that in other words but last
night um and at most meetings PR Centennial Hall is what it's called by almost everybody um and that leaves out what it actually was for 100 years so there's a way to do this with some simple word changes um so that's another
that's another goal that I've heard a number of people talk about the third is just simply based on the previous two updating the onate FIS Chapel story uh putting work context there bringing it up to date and the fourth is to communicate the story to interested
parties Beyond Fair Haven so what it means is deliverables are in the next in the next column the kind of tactics the goal one about uh refreshing the story it's it's just this historic timeline with messages that sounds pretty simple but there's a whole lot of work and
there would be a whole lot of debate about what the messages should be but once you have it that informs the entire story uh that would go on some kind of signature pamphlet we already have a signature pamphlet it might just have to be might be updated refreshed and a
digitized uh bibliography and reference some kind of source people know where the information comes to people want to take a look at it elevating the chapel I think is uh is just a signage for the most but that's the simplest way to do it is to make sure the signage somehow
represents the importance of the word FIS Chapel as Beyond Vice 10al Chapel the third goal for two seconds what is the black just wrote it down because um I and you're talking about
the black Heritage Trail so the that's like that's one piece of what you're saying what what is that going to be is it be called f CH or we haven't gotten it yet my my note was to find out if we got it we applied for designation on the black Heritage Trail which would
come with that a sign um and yes the sign would recognize that it was this CH yeah um but I don't know I'll find out and get back to you guys the third goal about B site what's the story right now we have a story on site it's pretty much
limited to a story on site but wallboard story boards electronic display um a number of people feel there should be some kind of a few people trained to be dosent or sort of mini lecturers uh both for users of Fisk
Chapel Bicentennial Hall and for educational purposes personally I think fifth sixth graders it would be a great visit to have to visit that Chapel when these things are done and have a dosent or have somebody just tell them the story play some games or do some exercises about it and then high school
kids who are really interested in history who want to get a lot deeper um and pretty much since the Civil War there's a whole story about Fair Haven and Fisk choing and then the last one is just to communicate the story to interested parties beyond the town and
it's just things like Mammoth County area groups that they're already aware of this uh African-American historical societies you just talked about that and others and invol others in the rededication ceremony so those ideas um they would Elevate the story of FIS
Chapel in town yeah obviously very thoughtful and yeah I think it's something that I think that the association will be happy to take a look at and incorporate recognize and the first thing we need to do is just understand the soope in depth of what we already have there's a lot of
stuff out there um and and and then to create a plan with a budget and so this is where I thinking V diagrams there's this which we've all been percolating these ideas we locally there's the folks coming in to do
the whatever the planning is called and one of the one of the threads was um Outreach education definitely everything I just heard Steve said these are programs to develop to tell the story whether it's PID doent or digital thing
or there that is that is sort of the cherry on top once you have a building and it's restored and it's it's you know it continues to to Merit investment which this building definitely does one of the
one of the things if you're lucky enough to be able to do it is to develop programs that make that Outreach connection whether it's with schools or the general public whether it's digital or through Tours or if there's displays there everything you have in here is
exactly spoton it is the reason that we applied for the it's called it's really an awkward term but it's through than an National Trust for historic it's no it's through the New Jersey historic trust so they're our funding partner for
Bicentennial Hall and developing the programs won't be done here or just at the historic Association developing the programs is really commun we have to throw that open because there's a lot of people as you you've touched on many people have kind of fed mindset about
what could be yeah so that's that's the point of that Grant it's a little over $38,000 to develop those program ideas so you're thinking that much of the programs related to the historic story and how we tell it are going to be covered by grants not the story itself
but the stories are there as I think you're trying to convey right the stories are there but how do you tell them and who's compiling them some of the stories aren't there um I think there's still research be I'm like you wonder I read the biography of FIS It
Was Written in 1888 and I was trying to find out his motivation for giving the money for Fisk Chapel in the school but it wasn't in his biography it it was sort of unusual but things like that things like the history when the
town decided to accept bis Chapel what was going on um how did the church affect the African-American Community people might not be aware or be aware just more stories maybe some firsthand stories from grandchildren of the people
who went to school and went to that Chapel what's the relationship between the chapel and the school that's a that's a really big important story so I haven't seen most of that in the things that have been presented at P Chapel up to this point it's well you're right I
think sometimes I think when you arrived my sense was that you got the impression you conveyed the impression that that wasn't happening and and I remember talking to you about this and saying there's a lot happening and it takes
time and it rolls out slow I might be less patient it's fair but when you're doing things you know with government and a whole Community it involves everyone so it does take more time but I think in the end you get a better outcome so
you're but you're part of the you're the part of yeah yeah and really being able to collect all that information and categorize additional research and find out you know whether it's dosent whether it's um there's some kind of digital
thing there that to tell that story is yeah I'm just saying yeah I was impatient um I came I moved in a year and a half ago and I thought things were be happening soon after I moved in because that's what I was told but I'm I'm just saying to put this into a plan so people can see that it's coming do we
have to wait for the grant to have a plan well you're asking me a question I don't all I can tell you is what has been agreed to at the council level and of course I'm on the historic Association and I defer to leis
but you are also on that board and you know there's a commitment to a website and archive and all of that right and I think we're biting at the bit to get started on the planning of that that may be some of the conduit or money that
but I guess it all this needs to move forward yeah I mean I indulge you to discuss it with the people the association I that's obviously where it's get a spring who has the the money is the association or is it the the $38,000 grant was awarded to the burough Fair
Haven okay and then of course this St Association does raise funds and it is within the board's ability to designate some dollars towards what and getting that information at least in a sharable or getable form to feed
programs for telling and so there hasn't been any money set aside for the building itself by the Association that there has put in the only thing that um was U voted on actually was a commitment to um invest in a landscape plan a nice
design um but no action beyond that has been taken yet and there's still fair amount of coordination with the burrow to advance something like that that okay right well thank you thank you thank you that that part of a role in looking at
the Historical nature of FIS Chapel um it it really Pro it rests with the historic Association not this commission well we make decision we're the Arbiter of things that happen to the structure but uh we're more the build structure as
opposed to so I'm going to throw something out there just to talk at our next meeting here's what we do own right now we have a Facebook presence with Association and all that needs is a creative text that text can be added at
any point any time any pictures any introduction and I think that maybe we as an association can work talk to Steve about what would your first entry be hey here we are you know making maybe there's things bite-sized chunk of old things that we can begin putting out
there on social media while we wait for um I think a good and yeah I think a good place to start and thank you this must have taken a long time put together um I think maybe a good first step would be reaching out to the communications
committee through the on this Association and we can get started there and then maybe run past some of your ideas and things and we can let's start there bring it up um present it or send it to to the Communications
committee um but again I mean the education we're with you and it's something we've talked about over and over at every meeting and we're we're also wearing a couple different hats here with the Education Foundation of and the Board of Education Vicki and it's yeah we're
we're we're with you and that this story has to be told and um it's definitely of utmost importance for sure and to get it right and there I'm sure there's plenty of stories that have sure not been told yet yeah so research to be
done all right any uh comments from the audience on this issue no yeah i' I haven't forgotten the trans um so the so tell us about the trans and the trans mic pleas in the uh uh police
department building currently which was one of the original France was a holdover of the original structure when it was the school um and there is effort uh I know when the building is going to be demolished to preserve that um what's happening with that that you know of I
could speak a good conversation about it yeah so um I sent shil something earlier today um just saying what the historic Association recom like a few recommendations on locations um which are which are which would be the new
community center by Centennial Hall sickles and nollwood so that's what we we gathered at our last board meeting and that's I sent that over body the same question I asked this so you guys can I think you been
to how beated are a display or some integrated into the structure structure itself but I think it's fair to say that think our leaning was that all things being equal we would love to have that stay
where it originally was at the site of the police station not KN what that means it mean is a transom above whatever the building is the problem is probably not a code and probably it can't be used as a a window transom but as it could be used I mean we have to see what's physically possible inside we
not mean ins easily something like that inside the building possibly that's one option that we all kind of lean towards we thought that's where it should be EXA where it was but then um superintendent Sean mcneel also was intrigued by the
idea of a symbol of segregation being present in the symbol of integration into schools and some so um that's kind of a secondary option but then to your point where would that be and that would require both both I think
both ideas require people like you maybe you know who who understand um how physical how artifacts could fit in walking through these places and seeing what the options are obviously the community center is already built so to speak it's already architected
is so add-on thing yeah again but internally it can be like an interior wall it's not that hard but um I guess the first thing is uh what about its preservation when the demolition takes place or that been accounted for how that's going to happen does the burrow
up space to if it was properly packaged through to story because you don't want to have demo started and then the next thing you know it's gone yeah exactly to get ahead of that and really to get ahead of even having to pack it properly or store it somewhere I thought it would
be important to start the conversation now with the stakeholders who would rightly be able to spend time on this meaning this body in the stor Association to come up with some suggestions so that it can go to its permanent location or at least we can
evaluate the viability I don't think it's hard but evaluate the viability of the chosen location or maybe you look at all four and see where it's best or maybe as Katie said it's really should stay where it is and it Narrows your but if we can at least start to communicate about what where we think it should end
up maybe we can get it right from where it is to its final home without the packing and storing and storage and fair even with all the facilities we have you think but it's actually an issue um Li
Bas yeah right PD's got some nice the um the the the location of it near where it always was historically feels like the right thing to do and you might surround it with a garden or do something like that or put it in the
community center it's it's near the extension of the African-American church which is like 25 yards away that if we think of some ways we can be there um you near it's it's just the putting it near
Chapel putting it one of the other schools it's here's a here's a memorial to something that that's a half a mile away um be honest with you I don't even know if we really have jurisdiction over that it's not this is an informal kind of
yeah yeah right right but it feels but I guess my my first question is is this something that's on the radar of uh the per the people that are ultimately pulling the trigger when the building gets demoed like they know to preserve it or is it okay aware yeah councilman
La bear and chief govern and okay yeah people everyone knows we're on it yeah but the building is likely to come down you know see summer and um between now and then we should have enough time to kind of keep move this conversation to
the next group right so storic Association something here if this group can weigh in you're right it's is somewhat informal um neither body has any authority over it technically but I think once it does get to facilities
committee and Council it will need to have been thought about and those bodies don't have the bandwidth to think about it properly sure so that's why I kind of wanted did they say this would be done by June L night I I heard a date of June police station and stuff everything's
torn down neighborhood the windows so we don't get poisoned and things that yes uh I wouldn't say June I would I feel comfortable saying summer and sometimes yeah but um lots of things are in play
but so far it's it's been pretty pretty good schedule like it's clipping Along on schedule but you know it's consed um so if if we you know this body wants to weigh in and convey I know the asur association I I think conveying
that here and then finding it with your thoughts and then that can be conveyed by Shila to uh Chris York um the facilities committee copy me because of theism then we'll keep the thread of the
conversation yeah I mean we kind of have to rely on the association for communication because I don't know that we really know what the options are you know that sort of thing you can come up with some principles to start I mean what people normally do just whatever the simple architecture start what
principles are it might help help make the decision easier we also want the lamp post yeah we talking about maybe thinking about a spot for those I know the historical significance not is yeah
but kind not want them by the way I've they are going to be salvaged to selectively demo or you know it's going to be they're going to be protected um and I feel like I'm supposed to know where they're going they don't know where they're going they don't know where
where they're going sorry but why don't I so not that I'm not the really advocate for the history of the police station is there a reason why the police station doesn't just want to put those two right outside their front door what they currently in the new building that they make they um they tried and they're
too large oh that's what I that's what I which kind of makes sense to the scale of the structure if you can I didn't know that that was the reason if you think about it it's going to be a porch and a you know it's just I don't know I'd have to
look at I think they suggested incorporating to is there a garage in the bat or some maybe putting it somewhere yeah I sort of remember a conversation sorry I don't like sty GOI but I remember a conversation about a reception desk and on the wall behind it
which is kind of of cool oh yeah it feels a little bit like a movie set kind but kind of fun because I think it also is the right treatment for those right um I just made a note to try to see if maybe Sheil and I can track down the
latest on an area that reception desk area where the parom should go no that's in the police station no oh right don't want that anything else on this all right any other public comment
um motion to close ah yes so I don't remember what color it was I'm thinking it was right when I was growing up I've reached out
to um a CL High School class of who may have attended this I going he back from her because she would be able to tell what color it was if Sheed that's kind of
cool and she's in town so she might information that would be good to how will you how could you share her Conta information report back next like to meet somebody on the hisor
association that's good to have even if it's a small oral history all right any else a motion to close you second all good excellent thank you everybody to have all discussions I
think because sometimes we almost like had a workshop tonight