Okay, this is the regular meeting of the Fair Haven Historic Preservation Commission. Adequate notice of this meeting has been given pursuant to the provisions of the Open Public Meetings Act. At the time of the board reorganization in January of this year, the board adopted its regular meeting schedule for the year. Notice of the
schedule was sent and was published in the Asbury Park Press on January 31st, 2025 and the Two River Times on January 23rd, 2025. That notice was also posted on a bulletin board in Burough Hall and has remained continuously posted there as is required by the statute. A copy of
the notice is and has been available to the public and is on file in the office of the burough clerk. A copy of the notice has been sent to members of the public as have requested such information in accordance with the statute. Adequate notice having been given, the board secretary is directed
to include this statement in the minutes of this meeting. Uh we get a roll call. >> Yes, Mr. Yeah. Here, >> Mrs. Drummond. >> Mr. Anderson, Mr. Schlooter >> here, >> Mr. Heler >> here, >> Mrs. Pora,
Mrs. Casey >> here, >> Mr. Smith >> here, >> Mrs. Forte. >> Okay. Um, so I council person Cole is out on the here. Do you do you happen to be someplace this evening or because we do have two applications?
>> I'm here for you. Okay. So, uh maybe we'll take the applications first. >> Of course, I'll scoot you. >> Not a problem. So, the first one that we have is Joy Luxury Boutique and you come on up. >> Hi. >> Hi.
>> Hi, everyone. >> How are you? >> I'm good. How are you? >> Are are you Joy Martin? >> Yes, I am. >> Joy. So we see that you're actually the owner of the Joy L for representing them and uh I believe that you made a move from uh elsewhere I guess over by the Commons. Yes.
>> To the new location and the application um that has been submitted is to replace the old tenant sign with the new sign and that is the Joy Luxury Boutique. An exemplar has been provided. It's replacing the mod 39
women's boutique sign. >> Yes. Um, and from the application we could discern that it's the exact type material, the exact vet configuration and also the pretty much the exact type size of the sign. >> Exactly. Everything the same except the name is changing.
>> Right. And I um I was actually walking by there the other day and saw the sign that's there and I'm like, "Ah, she put the sign up before we even heard." >> No, that's the temp that's the what do you call the the awning. I just aimed for the grand opening. >> I didn't realize it until I got close and I saw it was just like a canvas.
Exactly. It's canvas. Yes. >> But that actually looks exactly like the sign. >> Exactly the same. It's going to be the same canvas with the It's going to be the permanent one once I get approval. >> And I don't know. I'm sure we don't know much about your business. What type? Uh >> it's like a retail clothing and
accessories. I'm going to be making more I'm going to focus more on handmade leather goods, the bags and the belts and um like a little like the chains and all that kind of stuff and clothing for the summer. So it's like a yeah pen boutique kind of stuff. >> Great. So again the sign is almost
exactly like what was there. It seems these are signs. There's been a little bit of turnover in some of these businesses. So we've routinely approved these uh signs of the same uh the same company that's that's doing it here has done it in other uh places in the historic district that we've approved
routinely. So um I don't know if anybody has any comments or thoughts about it. one way or the other. >> Welcome to Barry. >> Thank you. I'm glad. I'm so happy. Yes. I'm excited. >> Is the font the same as the other signs
on the other two? >> Yeah. You can ask. Is do you know if the font on this sign is the same as the other two stores? >> It looks >> it looks similar, but I can show you. There's a picture there. >> I'm not asking but more perspective.
>> There's a picture of the other. Yeah. I mean, I think it seems like uh you know, the majority of that sign is uh these your logo takes most takes up most of that. >> Yes. You know, all is on the left and the the writing on the on the right.
>> Okay. >> Um Yeah. So, I would make a motion that we approve uh the application. >> I'll second that. >> Roll call. >> Mr. Pablo? >> Yes. >> Mr. Schlutoter? >> Yes. >> Mr. Heler? Yes,
>> Mrs. Casey. >> Yes, >> Mr. Smith. >> Yes, >> I've got credit. >> Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Mr. Chairman, may I add one note? There's something so special that Joy is doing at this luxury boutique and you
know, you're a fabulous promoter, but let me put a little more shine on you. Yes. So, she also um does really very bespoke things. So you could go in there and get fitted. She she has a garment you can choose from or even bring your own and she can fit a garment to you, to
your taste, for your event, for your style. This is where it all happens. And she is fabulously talented. >> Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you for adding that. Yes. Most women though, if you know guys, >> you absolutely make it for you.
a nice meeting and come to all. >> Please pop in be sitting outside making stuff. Pop in anytime and say hello. You don't have to buy anything. Pop in and say hello. >> Friendliest porch on River Road. >> Yes. I want to make it the community. Anybody can pop in. We can chitchat. We
can do all that kind of stuff. I'm excited to be here and I appreciate everything and thank you for approving my my application. >> You're going to be great. >> Yeah. Uh you'll have something by your next week, a memorandum of dash that we'll provide. But you're approved. So, >> thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
you everybody. Happy holiday and merry Christmas to everyone. >> You as well. >> Thank you. >> Uh the next application is Jason and Michelle. >> 43 to Normandy Avenue
and it is the goal of installation of an EV charger. >> And Jason, right? >> Hi. Yes, I I brought some pictures of the area. I just wanted to give them to I didn't submit them in the application. >> Yeah, we're still on that word or at least some
>> Yeah, I think I just showed the location. >> Um these are just this is just the dimensions of the fences. So when you look at the pictures, the fence is three feet high and the pole I tried to get the lowest one possible was 47 because it's got to be a certain
height. So it's it's you know less than a foot over just less than a foot over the height of the fence. They don't have universal. So, in other words, what kind of a vehicle is it that you're attaching to? >> It's a It's a Tesla. >> Oh, it is a Tesla. Okay. So, is it universal or
>> the charger? >> The chargers. Yeah. >> It it you It could be both ways. I bought just one for that car, but you could do it because it's a different uh attachment on it. So, you could buy a universal one. >> Do you just add the extra attachment or do you have to refit the thing to if you got a different EV?
>> So, it's the same size the the charging box. Um I believe uh it's something in the circuitry you would need for a different EV. >> And if it's the same size box, you would change the box out. >> Absolutely astonishing that they don't have one univers. >> Yeah. Well, Tesla makes it, but of
course, it's double the price, >> right? So >> think about like how galaxy they're widely standard now. >> But yeah, but you think you're making this movement towards creating auto sales like you just make it as easy as possible, especially in the for the public charging station. >> Most of the ones you can buy like if you
buy like a charge like a unit on Amazon or something, they they're universal. >> Um like I said, Tesla makes a universal one. It's just a lot. >> And does it require 220 power? >> Uh 240. >> 240. What did you have to do in order to >> So that's what they the we submitted a permit to run the electric and we're
going to run it underground to that location >> and it would go up. >> Yeah. >> How how long is that cord? How far away from that >> the the actual charging cable from the box? I think it's about No, it's
actually 20 ft. >> Oh. >> So, so that's the problem I was having. So, I have two problems. So, if I ran it from the house to the garage, >> um my my electric panels all the way at the other side of the house. So, they'd have to tear up the ceiling in the basement, then go out, go on the ground
and go in the garage, and then the cord is not long enough to reach >> the end of the driveway because my driveway set back. So, to do it where I wanted, you would go I would do it under the porch. because it would be right. You wouldn't even see the cable. It was where the electric box
comes in. It would run under my front porch, then go underground for about a 8 to 10 foot run, and then that's where the charging box would be right in that corner. That was the most hidden place we could kind of find. >> Yeah, it's interesting because we've had to wrestle with these things before, whether they be generators, solar
panels, or here EV hookups, you know, we have a certain requirement and a certain sort of charter as to what we're supposed to do. this doesn't really configure in but uh but clearly it's a necessity and we've taken great efforts to try to conceal it and make it as
little as least conspicuous as possible. Um so I think that uh you know >> yeah we don't we don't want anything ugly sticking out here. >> Yeah. Sure. >> Yeah. General aesthetics and you've done such a great job the house you know building a house that's so consistent
with the neighborhood. So, you don't want to mess it up by putting this, but it's bar it will be barely even noticeable. You can concealing on the inside. And um >> and we also thought it facing it's going to be face away from the street. >> Yeah. >> And you there's a light on it when it's charging. So, you won't see that the way
we're going to have it set up. If it was on the garage, it' be facing out >> and have a light out. >> I'm curious is where would the Lexus be down up against the garage or in the space that single space? Where would you usually park the car charging? So, so we typically park the um in the uh towards
the street with that car >> that space there next to the street. >> So, if if it was on the garage, it would only be able to reach right in front of the garage which is usually blocked in. >> So, you're not going to see it anyway when the car is there. >> And to be uh to run the line or you
probably want the least lengthy run as possible. So your back of the car and it's the actual receptacle in the vehicle like above the rear passenger. >> It's on the rear >> passenger vehicle. >> Yeah. >> So right now I don't know if you've gone by there's right now I have a temporary charger from the garage that but it's on
a cord that runs out in the ground. Looks horrible but >> um and it's very very slow. It's on just a standard >> Is there any clearance uh code or specs regarding what can go around them? Could you have a a shrub like within six
inches of the of the pole? Nothing like that. >> No, nothing like that. >> Yeah. And we are going to be probably less than a foot from the tree right there in the corner. So, we have we have like I don't know if it's one and a half by one and a half square area right between that tree and the fence that we
can pour the little footing. >> Oh. >> And put it right there. So, it's it's going to be tucked in there. >> Yeah. >> So, when that tree is in bloom too, it's almost going to be covered. >> Yeah. Okay. And uh just by way of transparency, uh Jason's wife Michelle was a member of this commission for
about three or four years I believe. Not that it makes any difference as to your application or anything having to do with what we're doing here, but I guess we're going to put it on the record. Any uh comments or questions from anyone or anyone from the audience about this? Anybody in the uh Zoom? >> No.
>> Okay. I'd make a motion that we approve uh the application. um it it's so inconspicuous and great efforts been taken by the applicant in order to conceal it and the way in which it's going to be concealed um I think u you know satisfies your requirements. It's a
necessity. It's something we're going to be facing more and again it's the least intrusive and least objective way of doing it. So I make a motion that we approve the application of fall. >> I'll second that. >> Mr. Tabler. >> Yes. >> Uh Mr. Schlooter. >> Yes. >> Mr. Havler.
>> Yes. Mrs. Casey. >> Yes. And Mr. Smith. >> Yes. Use this one as an example for the next one. >> You know, and I've been trying to find a better post. I They just don't make them like you have to custom build it if you want anything.
>> I don't know. >> And sometimes when you it doesn't look right when you're trying to make it look like, >> you know what I mean? Like that tree in MS tower, whatever. >> But, uh, we'll see how it looks. And then obviously if it doesn't look good, I'm going to change it anyway.
>> See you again. >> Yeah, I know. We'll be back. We'll see for a bird feeder that a charger looks like a bird feeder. >> Birds on there. >> Yeah, I know. Fake bird. >> Thank you. Right.
Seriously, >> my wife came home to me from Joy's store with the jacket that she >> was like 4 foot 11. So nothing fit. Are you talking about she's blowing it up?
Okay. So, uh, with regard to old business, we have, uh, council person Cole here, uh, the liaison. And I do want to give a shout out to council person Cole. I found I verified or found out this evening that you were in fact the person that was maning the trial.
And I just well my thought is that you're a busy person both of a professional your family and you know just doing your council business and to take time out to basically help people in and out of the trolley on this really is a lot of dedication and we're happy to and lucky to have you uh as a servant
and somebody you know helping you know universally throughout the town. So thank you very much >> here appreciate that. So tell us everything about >> um u well it you know this is doesn't always happen every month but we just
just had a historic association meeting prior to this so I'm sure Elise can fold in some things as we go. um come out of bsentennial hall at least she'll she'll brief the commission on um
the BCA's work which we were able to get um thanks to Steve's contacts and um the capstand is still in place by centennial hall work nothing you know as is in the case with all government um nothing
happens in December January we'll reorg um and then the committees will get their assigned council people and um you know whether that's by Centennial Hall, the historic preservation commission, you know, we don't know what our assignments are until we get them which
will be voted on on January 6. So this might be my my last historic preservation commission meeting as your leazison. >> Um >> this may be I'm sure do you volunteer for those positions or do you just get >> fun? Um but it's the mayor's option. Um,
you can certainly put forward your requests. Um, and ultimately he makes that decision. That's just the practice of the way it's been done. It's technically under the statute with advice and consent of counsel. So the consent part is the vote and then the
advice part is well, hey, I'd like this or so and so would be good for that. Um, but ultimately he makes those decisions and puts it before council for a vote. It it just makes perfect sense though for you to remain in a position just based on your familiarity with the association and your intimate
involvement in these different things that um >> and have somebody else it just seems to be a little bit less efficient >> and this is the legacy year >> coming up. >> This is the 250th. Yeah. >> Yeah. So that's a good time to be on it. >> It's um all I could say is um I some I
don't get to decide and um >> it's your preference to remain. >> Sure. >> Sure. Um anyway um so bysentennial hall uh nothing new has happened you're other than the paint
analysis that the historic preservation or that the historic association has advanced um everything as is as it was since the last meeting and all the communication has cemented the partnership between the governing body and the short preservation
commission. So, um you know, the the the you can still expect to see the specifications on the next wave of work that will be um put out to bid that has not been finalized yet. So, um and even
if I'm not here, I'll help make sure that as will Chris York, by the way. So, >> um what else can I tell you about Bsentennial Hall? We did speak off the record and Elise will tell us about it too, but apparently there hasn't been a decision made as to the pain analysis,
but we're you're expecting we're expecting a response by the end of the year. >> Yep. In progress and they'll have some things for us that was being worked on. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that report will be interesting.
We did ask um when Elise and I interviewed and scoped the work for this group, we asked them to if it was possible um and they said yes, but if it was possible to give us a time frame for the
layers of color, assuming there's more than one or two colors. So, that'll be illuminating. Even if it isn't perfectly accurate, it tells a story. Um, >> yeah, I'm very curious.
>> Oh, you too. I know. Um, guide me a little bit where Oh, you need to let this uh commission know about the state of the archive and the grant. I'm going to suggest that you share that. >> Yep. Okay. So, we have um we have been
awarded $2,000 um from the Monmouth County Historic Commission towards a special project which will go towards the archive >> and we are really really close to a
artifact submission form, an online submission form that'll live on the website and be uh circulated throughout the bureau. Once we have that running, we share it with all of you. >> When you say an archive, does it mean like a electronic repository of all documents that have been maintained and
people have and submit to the association and just catalog them? >> Exactly. Yeah. So, anything you might have, anything you guys have, um, you'd be able to submit it depending on how large the file is or and what it is. If it's a video or oral history, uh, that
might have to be submitted a little differently. But yeah, this will be a way for the public to to submit it online and give it to us and we can put it into our >> and it'll be searchable. So beyond just being a catalog, you'll be able to search
>> and uh have you figure out how it's going to be cataloged and search in terms of >> like categories. Yeah. So right now, >> you know, this is still kind of a rough thing, but right now we have photographs, maps, audio recordings,
paintings, documents, newspapers, um, newsletters, and event document. So that could be invitations or programs or menus hotel or whatever that looks like. And then there's another >> if nothing if nothing falls into any of
those categories. >> Yeah. >> Uh, well, sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. But it'll be interesting to to see what people submit and what um what people have that live here who used to live here. >> How much work is it for there to be a
cross reference to uh themes rather than documents? So, um, like education, business, homes, um, >> yeah, I don't, >> you know, the, uh, the African-American community,
>> the early the early transportation is there. >> It's going to be based off of what keywords are placed on certain items, >> right? >> So, I don't know. We're not We're still testing it. >> Yeah. >> But hopefully we can get it to that point. I mean, essentially it'll just
be, you know, this chapel or Shbury River yach club and some basic locations and stuff. But yeah, as it as we, you know, learn about it more and try to figure it out, we could potentially have more categories that could help us narrow down,
>> right? >> So, I guess we'll transition to historic association, more about the paint than we were just talking about than >> No, that's that's pretty much all we have for now. Any other reports for from the association?
>> Uh no. Uh the archive form and just the um the event on the 28th. >> Yep. The the lecture of Chris Brener on the 28th, but also we talked about the uh centennial plaque program. >> So um yeah, and that kind of took a little bit of a different turn which I
uh I appreciated and we should probably discuss it here. And the idea was that he you know obviously the centennial plaque is for people that have a house that is 100 years or more will can apply and be awarded the plaques that we have some that the first go around when this was program was instituted back in the
'9s. Um but um Elise was um you know questioning whether the the association had the authority or the ability to sort of honor these requests or make the decision whether or not the people had proven that the house is 100 years old. Maybe she had a good point that maybe
it's something that should be um sort of fostered to some degree by the commission. So um it might be something that maybe an application is made to the association. The obvious the granting of the plaque would come from the association and if you had to replenish
the supply obviously the association has the money to do so. But the ult once a an application is vetted and an application is sort of verified it would be submitted to us this commission. sort of as a proforma verification, maybe a
little bit more of an honor for the people present >> especially with our new website. I think for it to live some on some landing page within that and then it could look as I mean I could bring them to you monthly and >> we have four six applications and have
you guys take a look at them >> and I think it just and it gives a little bit because it's coming from quasi town or burrow commission it just gives it a little bit more validity as opposed to just coming from the association I don't know if he has any call >> does that make does that make their
their 100 year old home um fall under these of the I mean >> designation at that point where we would have to step in that they're out of the >> I thought about that other words trying you know exercising jurisdiction where
we generally don't but this isn't really a ruling you know our ex our jurisdiction in that respect is for making a determination or or um making a call as to whether a particular modification to a structure can be made, demolition, modifications, addition,
what have you. We're not making that kind of a ruling. If anything, it's really just a put through because the association has already done the due diligence. Nowadays, the application can really be verified and you know, if the eyes are dotted and the tees are crossed, generally you see, you know,
people show that the house was built in 1926 or 25 or earlier, then it's pretty easy. So, I don't know that we it's not really a jurisdictional issue. I think it's something it's expanded powers for us, but I don't I don't know that >> I I would just wonder if some people are
going to say, "Well, they're not in the district and now are we going to be responsible to make them adhere to the stuff that's in the district?" >> No. No. Yeah. And this is a voluntary thing. Yeah.
>> So, somebody wants to get the plaque. It's not like we're finding houses and saying you need to demonstrate this to us. They're coming to the association to get this plaque because they want to honor their house or what have you. And again, it's we're just acting a little bit more in a official capacity kind of
recognizing the people's efforts and recognizing the structure. What do you think from a a Do you think there's anything that we need to do within the burrow to get approval to do that since it's some it's something new, but I don't think it's outside of our scope necessarily. >> I I I agree with you. I think that
process makes sense. I can certainly understand that thought process. Um but it's also a great opportunity to teach people that there's a district. >> Yeah. >> And that it has the border and that a lot of the homes in Fairburn are outside of that district. So you don't have
jurisdiction over anything that isn't in the district which includes obviously the historic district and by Centennial Hall but >> and what about a house that's 100 years old but it's been remodeled and it's hasn't they've lost a lot of the architectural detail and it really
doesn't follow but the house is overundred years old >> that >> would they be >> I have the same question and this >> they be entitled to a plaque >> well this goes back to the application and I and I and whatever proofs they have to apply and I don't think the
commission itself is qualified to make a determination along those lines. So the application should and I haven't seen it but there's they have to attach some proofs. Is that correct? >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, >> so maybe there's a set of proofs that like, you know, the DMV if you provide
certain points, >> they can prove that the house is that old, but if it's been remodeled and changed and has all modern finishes in it, then is it worthy of >> that plaque? Because it's I thought
about that too, and it's a very valid question. I think the association should might be and the way the application is written could be all that stuff out >> but I think then then it becomes a bit of an issue again if we were making a determination as to whether it qualifies
I mean it's really would qualify based on the age of the structure if it's a new structure it you know if the house there was nothing left to the old house of foundation and they built a new house in the 1970s that would >> that would qualify um but I think that I
don't know then because if we try to exercise our authority to say that it's compliant or not compliant or approve or not approved then I think we're expanding the boundaries of our jurisdiction beyond what we'd have. I think it's really just an approval process of show the house is 100 years
old you get it but I think also most of the people and I obviously you're going to have your exceptions or what have you but I suspect that most of the people that would be making that kind of application are proud of their historic home. It's not like somebody with a modular home that has a couple of frames
frame rails from uh know 120 years ago is going to be, you know, >> Yeah. Yeah. They might not want to. If somebody put a a different style home from a tear down on top there and they're trying to sell it, they're not going to tell people it's 100 years old. Good point. Well, I think maybe that's
something that would probably >> It's interesting to think about though that there at least there should be some uh criteria >> something just one >> you don't want to hopefully complicate it but I mean it might be you know
describe the age of structure as the addition >> but hopefully the sample size is small enough that >> you know we're not dealing with 200 homes we're dealing Um, >> okay. And then another thing, another kind of since we're having this
conversation, um, and I think we mentioned it is, um, certain towns have like Newport, Rhode Island, for example, or a lot of New England towns, for example, have, um, they have like names on houses or circa dates where they have sort of plaques on houses that share the
date that it was uh, uh, built. um or if there's some type of a notable name, whether it's the original owner or if there's somebody that's notoriety. Um and I I would like to see that uh instituted or supported in Fairgenated
anywhere, not necessarily just in the historic district for those people that would be interested in it. I think it's something that might could go hand inand with the plaque program. Um but I think what I'd like to do is and and I think it could be administered the same way. um maybe have a uniformity in the way
those you know have work out the situation where you could get a discounted rate if you guarantee to go to the same vendor. Um and I I did a little research on it. There's a number of companies that are out there. There's actually one that does wooded signs that's that isn't that outrageous
expense wise. >> Um what are your thoughts on that? And you know I assume I assume you know what I'm talking about with signs. >> Calling it spy glass house. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. and then start going and would it would tie in with the age of the house
>> and now being it would be verified that it it's actually its age. >> Can I suggest something to support that? >> If we have the application and there they could apply for multiple things.
>> Yes. So the century plaque could be one and if they wanted to propose a name and connect it to some time period in history and they could tech apply for that as well. >> Yeah. And again I don't know that we have any capacity to like verify that in
fact it's an accurate name. I don't know that that really makes a difference but >> if somebody wants to do it they don't need permission but it's nice. I think the sort of self- selection process you touched on earlier, the folks that do do that maybe would want to participate as
part of a group, you know, so there's some cohesion to it. >> Yeah. >> And the the question still in my mind is what does that application look like? Do we have something? I know you've talked about there there is one out there. There's some >> there's an old one, but it literally was
three questions, so it was very >> Does it ask for proofs? >> Oh, yeah. with the old and people would not only provide proofs by way of deeds, but they would provide letters. They would provide elements of construction with statements showing that this is a particular period. There was a whole
bunch of different ways, but now it's much different. Again, they have a house from the I think before 1900, you have to go back into the archives, but at the county, >> yeah, it it's it's pretty uniform, I think, from 1900 on. >> That's cool stuff for the archive, too. Yeah. >> You know, such and such a house. And
then you know and then the historic association would like rumson does recognize those. >> Yeah. >> And people could give a little bit of history. >> They love it. >> In the draft that um the association has as far as like do you have what historical documentation can you
provide? Uh right now we have like six things. It's deed records, tax records, uh newspaper articles, historic photographs or other. >> Okay. And over the years that was adequate? Uh yeah, I mean literally it was just it
was basically proof based. In other words, you just gave a little bit of information about the house and the people presented the proofs. There was really no not much information given by way of application. Um but you know maybe an open-ended question you describe the structure, how many you
know additions, modifications and years. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> Um again, you know, these issues and these ideas make it, you know, we thought we you just implement it or get it going by the year, but you won't want to do it right. And it's not to say the system's not won't be tweaked as you go
forward. >> Right now, I have has the home had any significant renovations or additions. Yes or no? Please describe >> and and provide dates. >> That's for theund year old. them all together. And you know the other thing >> name the house. >> Yeah. But we're not necessarily name the
house. You just have like a circa and the age of the house too. In other words, I can't if I have a 100-y old house >> and you know General Joe lived in it 150 years ago, I can't call it General Joe's house. >> Technically, you can do whatever you
want. going >> if the commission is saying that sign makes sense. >> I I envision it as the commission not taking any role in whether it's authentic made up or whatever. If the applicant wants to do that, call their
house. >> Yeah. >> General Joe's house, >> they can do that. >> And then that just falls with under signage signage uh regulations of >> I don't even know. They can't put a big picture of the >> No, that's what I'm saying. I think it would it would be standardized
>> and then we would have an arrangement with the particular vendor. So if they did in fact make the application to get the plaque and maybe the sign the signs would be uniform. I guarantee you most people would might participate in the Century Black program and then when they get the paperwork they'd also see like
oh we could also you know and then they might consider doing something like >> is that adding the D for example has been talking about extending our outreach and you know a broad interpretation of our charter uh to houses outside you know historically
significant houses and other historic elements outside just the district. Um, this touches on that a little bit, but clearly there's plenty of historically significant houses that aren't within your district. >> It won't become it won't become a bunch of plaques pointing to the other like a
physician's office. >> Yeah. >> Pine view is the perfect example. >> Yeah, Pine View. Yeah, it's a good example. >> Yeah. Why do they have that? >> They just have a little sign that says Pine View on the lawn. >> Okay. >> But that's a old hotel.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Oh, there's over on like Sycamore. What? What's that? It's on the corner of >> Sycamore. Is that one of those? Is it like a lot? >> So beautiful. Is it like one of those metal signs like with the gold? >> So I believe I go by there every day,
but I I think it's just a wood sign just >> I'll double check that. >> What What's the temperature of everybody in this kind of You like it? You don't like it? Something that >> I like the idea of the van because there's a lot of old prominent families from this area like the Bordens. Yeah,
>> you know, and they lived in several different houses in different towns around. So, you know, the board house would be an interesting name. >> Yeah, >> you can, you know, verify that they lived in that house or built that house >> and within the district and even in the old the old brochure for the walking
tour of the historic district and even in the Gabriela book, he gives houses certain names too. Well, that would be interesting to offer a resource for guidance.
Um, the only thing I could see is uh, you know, a name that would somehow marginalize all others, you know, if they bogart some sort of um, you know, neighborhood as a whole to claim it as an individual. I I can't, you know,
foresee exactly what's but the I can see some of that potentially and having the G Randy Gabriella book might be useful to >> Yeah. So that there's a guide, but maybe it's the lead is the century plaque and then the circa, you know, and the name
is sort of like the maybe maybe if you're really interested in here's some research or here's some a place where you can look for appropriate guidance for you know I we really you know people could do what they want but that's the only >> yeah I mean there's nothing prohibiting
anybody from putting any name in their house anyway right >> so it's just kind of channeled through us and gives them an idea and if they're in sort of a as a result. >> I will >> I'm going to actually look into and I will find out what the town because I
know they do it in Charleston. Yeah, they do it in Newport. >> Yeah. >> I think Province Town also. Yeah, Savannah. So, I'm going to look do a little do a little digging on that and see what kind of criteria they use for people that that do that. But I but it would be I never envision us verifying
whether or not that's a legit name or we don't like the name for whatever reason that we you know disallow the >> the uh image of the signs in Providence and Newport what I recall is because the house is right on the street and and they have these nice signs like right
next to their front door. Yeah. >> They don't have a big lawn or anything like that before you see a sign. >> Well, it's kind of the houses in the district for example or the houses even along along the road. >> Yeah. the other ones on the verge. Yeah. >> I'd be interested to find out if there are any um local ordinances that the
towns we just talked about. I don't know if that's easy in the search for Sheila or if you're going to do that. I wouldn't think that it would require that, but I also know we we don't want either one of these
bodies, the historic association or this body um to disqualify applicants or have where where I'm going is the tighter the the clearer the criteria, not necessarily tight, but the clearer the
criteria, the better the process will be because the historic association board Um, while that's the first stop, they don't have the professional chops to determine, you know, some of the tougher questions that you were asking
about, Joe. They're not going to do that. They're just going to rely on the proofs and then bring it here for kind of ratification sort of, so to speak. We want we want to bring you clean applications. So if you see something that identifies criteria, we can just put it in the application and then that
>> that first suspect a lot of those towns though admitted it's rigidly controlled. I would think it may even go more are are stricter and they're probably not advisory. They probably require >> they're probably not advisory. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> At least they're going to work. >> So not necessarily to replicate it. Exactly. But we could learn from it. >> Yeah. We'll do a little digging be something that we'll come we'll talk about next month too. >> It's sort of important to note is there a line that doesn't make sense going
over for somebody to have like you said I put a sign on my ass two years old or something like that but is there a it seems like there shouldn't be a line then but we're intruding people's freedom. I mean they put a sign in their house. >> No I don't think we're anybody's
freedom. We're just basically the people with I mean people could do whatever they want, right? >> But if they apply for the sentry plaque, >> right? >> The my idea would be that they could also possibly acquire this sign if they're interested in doing and if we have a relationship with a vendor, we could get it at a discounted rate.
>> Yeah. >> And just something they could do. They could do it anyway with us or without it, but it would be part of the package. >> Yeah. And then you get the informative my my thought is that if they apply for a century plaque that's a century old
home. Um it would sort of be interesting if something went along with the home besides it's 100 years old some some importance of the property or the presence or they could just explain why they think it it's a historical
location. So it get a little complicated and it comes then you know uh what's important to one person may not be important to somebody else. So >> you know you always have to have >> it should be incumbent on the people who are writing the applications. >> Yes. >> To have the verification and bring it to
us >> to to the historic association. >> I agree. >> You know it shouldn't be up to us to to chase everything down. They should have done their homework on their application. >> Agreed. Agreed. >> Yeah.
All right. Any other thoughts or questions on that? Susan, you like it? You like the idea? >> She's a century old. >> I like the idea. >> I have to think about it. >> Does your house have a name for house?
The house next door that my great great grandfather owned is called the form Smith house. >> Yeah. Probably in Ry's book. >> It's in there >> and it's named for
they used to make it the store on River Road. >> That's cool. >> It's named in the book. I think it's named the Foreman Smith house, right? >> I could I could picture it right now. You won't be able to see it because it's big hedge. And from what I understand,
it was a a farmhouse when he bought it. And in I think of 1836, he put the large western edition. And then there's been another edition in fairly recent time.
>> Yeah, that's a passive house. So, uh, anything from our online people if anybody's zooming in? >> Okay. Um, did did the house on 21 par get get demolished? It's gone. I thought I heard it. Yeah.
>> And the site's being graded. Um, yeah, it's getting cleaned up. Ideally, it'll be, you know, right now it's an unsafe public piece of property. Um, and while it won't, you know, meet the
definition of a park necessarily by the spring, hopefully it will still be it will become accessible to the public >> as long as the cast is safe. >> Yeah. Well, maybe it's a fun note to drive down there. I I know it's there,
but I know you would like to know that you know that it's there. >> All right. Um, any other comments, comments or thoughts? Um, otherwise I'll make a motion to approve minutes from November.
>> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I don't think I was here. >> All right. eating our so
>> did um if I recall and I'm going to look at art. So, do either of you, and maybe it was Jay actually, um, do either of you have experience with a landscape architecture firm or a landscape architect that >> we spoke about this last time and you
had already spoken with uh, my recommendation. Sandy had >> Oh, Sandy. Yes, I did. Okay. All right. >> Uh, yeah. And, and I made a reference to somebody, too. But, um, I didn't speak with >> Was it somebody that Jay works with? Did I Did I >> Stephen Prague from Westchester?
I'm gonna just Google him and see if he sits. >> Oh, that would be great. >> I'm sure he is. But um he's might to do with um Brad. >> Well, well, we we the historic
association is looking to hire a landscape architect and um I this is stuff you know about already for um a design for Bsentennial Hall, the grounds there. >> Yeah, Jay would be the person. I wish he was here because he's used him on many, many projects.
>> Really? >> I'm sure he did get on the phone with him. And >> Sheila, would you mind sending me Jay's contact information? >> Oh, I I neglected an important uh report an item, the the plaque at the former
colored school is up. And um I hope you all have a chance to go look at it. I know it's important to everyone. And um it's it's a substantive body of text and uh it was written by a
county historian who did it for Pharaoh Haven based on their own independent research. I think it reads pretty well. I hope you'll have a chance to look at it. But I did send it to Sheila for circulation. >> Great.
Yeah, I did find him, by the way. And he still was in still wasn't in business. >> Yeah. Okay. >> You want to call numbers? >> Yes. >> Hold on. Steven Grog. >> Grog. Actually, he's got This is kind of
odd. Maybe he does enough local business that he got a Red Bank address. 19 Harris Park in Red Bank. Huh. And um the telephone number is 914. >> Hold on. I'm not as fast as you are.
>> 914 >> 672581 and his email. >> Mhm. >> SRK K at Stephen Prague with a V and it's K R O
G. So s e ven k r og.com >> and his website I mean the guy. >> Okay. >> Special you I think would really >> I Yeah. Um >> appreciate the stuff that he's done. >> Okay. Great.
>> Hey, great unless there's anything else pretty quick. All right. wants draft you.