Okay, >> let's go again. I'd like to call the meeting to order tonight. It's a a regular uh meeting of the historic preservation commission uh for the January meeting. Uh
and this uh here's the uh compliance statement. This is the regular meeting of the Fair Haven Historic Preservation Commission. Adequate notice of this meeting has been given pursuant to the provisions of the open uh public meetings act. Uh at the time of the
board reorganization in January of last year, board adopted its regular meeting schedule for the year and January 2026. Notice of the schedule was sent and published in the Asbury Park Press on
January 31st, 2025. Uh safe maybe. Um, yes. I guess I was on the third and the two of times on January 23rd. That notice was also posted on the bulletin board in the Burough Hall and
has remained continuously posted there as required by the statute. A copy of the notice is and has been available to the public and is on file in the office of the veral clerk. A copy of the notice has been sent to members of the public
as have requested such information in accordance with the statute. Lastly, adequate notice having been given, the board secretary is directed to include this statement in the meeting in the midst of the meeting.
>> Roll call. >> Uh Mr. Pav, Mr. Anderson >> here, >> Mr. Schlutoter >> here, >> Mr. Mr. Heler >> here, >> Mrs. Pora >> here, >> Miss Casey >> here, >> Mr. Goa >> here, >> Mrs. Forte >> here,
>> and Mr. Smith. >> Great. Thank you. I uh because this is the uh January meeting, it is the the reorganization meeting and um we will need to nominate and and elect the new chairperson and vice chairperson. Um and
so I would open the nominations on the chair person. >> I nominate for Pat Lucker. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I
any oppose? See that's what happens if you don't show >> and for the vice chairperson. Vote for Jay Anderson. >> Second. >> Second. Thank you so much. >> Even if you do show up. >> All those in favor?
>> I opposed. Okay. Thank you so much. Um and on to new business. Um is Will Digger. Oh, Grace. Grace, please.
you can absolutely put in the scroll of the work that you're getting. >> Yeah. So, it's just a new front door um for the the house. Um so, just want to replace the kind of a current glass door and think the new dorm.
Um just want to get that get that installed. >> What what is the do you have pictures of the current? >> I think I submitted Yeah, I didn't I didn't bring a copy myself, but yeah. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. >> Yeah. >> So that's basically a single glass with
a >> uniform styles and rail but a heavy face with glass on it. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> What is the reason for the changing? >> Um I mean the door doesn't really close and we have a baby under one who's not crawling. Um so and also the glass
allows in a lot of we didn't realize it has a lot of cold. So >> you know is it thermal pain or just some pain? Um, we moved in over the summer. I'm honestly not sure. Yeah. Yeah. >> And >> Oh, thank you so much. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And then you have a picture.
>> Yes. The interior, exterior, and earth >> as well as the current doors. >> Great. So, it looks like it's a divided light uh with the two handles below. Um, and
it's it's fiberglass. Is it uh will you be painting it or is it free painted? >> Uh, we'll be painting it. >> We'll be painting. I >> think my mom technically will probably >> Great. Are there any questions for the north? >> Hi.
>> I'm familiar with the uh the Thermature Smooth Star and I do believe that they're not true divided or just a grill on the outside. Is there a grill on the inside on this door? Is it not? >> Um
some I would think it's probably got the grill on the inside and the outside. >> I'm not Yeah. Not Not 100% sure. There's >> probably no space. >> No space for That being said, it's on the the critical side for this board being on
the exterior. Yeah. And I think both any thoughts? >> Question for you and Joe. Interestingly, the doorer that's current looks very modern and the is replacing it with it's more
>> useful >> historic. So, it does. >> That's what we we hope too. I didn't think putting I think it's a 1903 house I assume without the dwarf >> would not be practical probably then >> you're actually going more towards the
>> yeah we looked in our neighborhood and um I mean yeah hard to we're not necessarily knocking on neighbors doors the exact door but had seen you know something like this and we took some pictures and we're we talked to someone out of Wood Haven down in Point Pleasant
um and this was what they thought those closest to the neighborhood. >> Well, it's just a matter that we usually don't approve things without spacer bar, but my experience with these, and I have a similar door, is that they do look
pretty traditional except not having that spacer bar within it. >> Yeah, it would be nice, but it I I think that it's more important in this case that it's me personally that it's on the outside and the second thing that it's
that it's painted uh you know there and that's that makes a big difference I think with some of the synthetic materials if they're prepainted then they they look like it whereas >> I don't know I'm going to paint your mom is but >> some that you'll see
>> one of those space I don't >> it's between the two frills the interior and the exterior glass so that when you look through the side. You don't see through it. >> Okay. >> Um the one thing though is smooth star is nice because it doesn't have that embossed grain on the door. So it looks
more like a wood door. >> Yeah. When it's paint, >> we wanted something Yeah. that looked as close as possible. >> Definitely more traditional looking than a bull. Yeah. Uh, is there any thoughts in the the folks gathered here tonight on on
the door? >> No. >> Okay. Great. Uh, that being said, I'd like to close the discussion and and ask for a vote. >> What are we voting on? uh voting on approving the door as submitted uh with
with uh with all the statements that the applicant had in terms of it being uh field painted. I'll second that. >> Uh Mr. Anderson, >> yes. >> Mr. Schlooter, >> yes. >> Mr. Keller, >> yes. >> Mr. Sora, >> yes.
>> Mrs. Casey, >> yes. >> Uh Mr. Gooff, >> yes. >> Mrs. Forte, >> yes. >> Great. All right. Awesome. Thank you everyone and yeah, appreciate it. Yeah, learn something new too. I'm sure I'll be back with
>> asking him if that's an available. >> Yeah. No, absolutely. >> And and really where it favors is the character more on the inside. So it's something spacer bars. >> Well, the spacer bar and the internal I believe it probably does have the
interior grill. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Well, yeah. Thank you everyone. I'm sure sure we'll be back. We have uh yeah other other uh things we want to uh improve on the on the house just moved in over the summer. So >> yeah. Yeah. Thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate it. It's been a
really lovely neighborhood and it's like nice. We we moved I grew up in Belle. We moved from Brooklyn and it's nice being in a place where you can walk everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So >> that's great you're here. >> Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Um Yeah. Well, thank you everyone.
>> Yeah. Say more. too. >> Welcome back. >> Thank you. >> This I guarantee you this is will probably not be the last time. We'll try to keep them short. Um this is
and um they made some modifications due to the approved appliances that were previously approved by the board. Can you explain the differences? >> Sure. Sure. Yeah. So for everyone's
recollection, 66 Normandy at the end of the street, it's the it's a small cape um that we're going to hopefully make to look like a contributing house. Um, we've had a lot of back and forth. We haven't gone in front of the zoning board yet, but we have a lot of really
good feedback. So, we've kind of taken a lot of that feedback before we've walked in there. Um, >> so we made a couple changes to the plans. Um, I think we're in Ontario. Um, one is we dropped the roof line, so it's
30 ft. Um, that was kind of to their to their suggestion. Um, so that was one and that had a couple cascading effects. The other change was we took seven and change inches, narrowed the house a
little bit. Um, so that's two variances that we're not going to be asking for anymore. Um, and uh, with that came just a couple cosmetic things. Um actually there was a third thing which was we have the bump out in the staircase um
that we made more of an ornamental feature which is actually what my wife wanted originally. So um you'll see some brackets there. So last time when we came here um in order to shrink the attic space, we added a balcony on the
side. We don't have that anymore. Um that's because when the roof line drops can't can't have that and that's fine. Um so that's that's kind of the one difference and that's why we came here last time. Um the other one is if you see kind of the bumpout and the
staircase that previously went all the way down to the ground. Now it it is elevated off the ground and has some kind of nice brackets on the bottom and and that's it. So those are those are the changes that we have made. since
last time you were here. >> Um, any thoughts on the board? How many? >> Hey Joe, is that the original? This looks like the original. >> The original
was it? And this is the update. >> I said you're describing one. >> Yeah. Yeah. a taller booth >> uh than what is being proposed tonight. And then that that recess balcony which
we talked about rather than having the chamered angle maybe rounding it uh that's gone away altogether because of the reduction in the roof height and then the bay window which is on the side I guess went all the way down to the the
ground. Now it's going to be bracketed um off the first first floor level. So, um I I mean I certainly have some thoughts on it, but anybody else wanted to comment on it?
Would like to hear? I honestly I I think it's it's uh it fits better into the neighborhood. It it just put out the balcony and I I think there was it kind of calmed down a little bit there as always. I think it's a you know from my
perspective I think it's a more consistent application Jay can I ask you a question with the uh with the brackets underneath would that be a traditional way of doing it because I I think I've seen more in the old
houses where they've just done little >> returns underneath it >> I I like where where those are kind of beveled and go in >> as opposed to the brackets. >> Yeah. Yeah. But I think that would be the more traditional traditional and I
think um Yeah. Do you know what Joe was suggesting? I think you're saying have it come down. Hillary's house right across the street had a similar kind of bumpout feature in the front of the house and that one had a couple brackets around a lot of house.
>> See, usually the old ones brackets have brackets are a big deal for me, but I I do think what Joe's proposing is is >> this is what more in the historic building than the brackets.
Basically they just bring these back. This one comes back in an angle and then it's the side. I'm just throwing that. >> Yeah. >> To see what they >> So I think it's a nice observation. I don't have a real personally have a good
practice. I think that's >> just asking because I know you do a lot of >> traditionally either way. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I think that that could be even an improvement if that's something that applicants would consider.
>> All right. I know Annette wanted the brackets. >> So if it's like we need this, we'll we'll go along with it. But brackets would be the preference. >> Okay. Any any other thoughts? Is it kind of
clear what what they've come back with versus what was approved before? I don't know. >> I mean, I was here last time. So, okay. >> Is this the park at this side? Is the park is there out this side of the house? >> Correct.
>> That's why we're trying to make it so it's not just like a wall where everyone has to look at it. Actually has some context. Uh well, speaking of brackets, I mean, would would these be pre-manufactured ones or would they be uh made out of ASAC or or
custom or what how would they be made? >> Well, I think you know, you don't always you don't always have good choices to buy one that's already made. So, if we can't find one that looks right, we'll probably just somehow make it out of >> Sure. Can you tell us an idea of what the bracket Is it double A open bracket
or >> Yeah, they're on No, they're closed brackets. >> Yeah. Do you see them on there? They're on the elevation. They're probably just They're probably pretty small. >> Yeah, let me see. >> No, good way to look at it is on the side right here. You can kind of see it on See the background. It's a solid
bracket. >> It's drawing number 10 >> and a little wider than your something a little beefier than something. >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. I mean, I thought Joe's idea was nice. Uh, and but I think me personally, I
think the brackets as long as they represent differ of that solid profile, I think would be, you know, would look nice as well. have seen some of those in in period homes. Uh what's interesting too, some
of these homes >> get built on over a period of you know long period of time and aren't necessarily the petro style of the original home. So I think that would maybe fit into that
>> Victorian style and somebody came in and they added a base. So, uh, is there any other thoughts that, uh, the board would like to share? Or, um, Susan, would you like to comment on that?
>> I think the two changes are about improvements to what was there before. >> Agreed. Agree. >> Agreed. Um, so without any um other comment, um, I would move that the U. Uh
the new revised rounds as were submitted this evening. Uh the ones that were previously accepted the most current ones um with the approved as shown in the bones.
>> I'll second Mr. Anderson. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schneer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Pard. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Pora. >> Yes. Macey. >> Yes. Mr. Foff. >> Yes. Yes.
>> Thank you. >> Thanks again. Appreciate it. >> Um, >> she's she's ready to give that. Yeah. >> Yeah. You want to go to >> the only one in the road?
>> No. Unless you have that one as well tonight. >> Tracy, are you ready to talk about Bryson Hall? >> Certainly. So you're done with your applications? >> We will come >> Yes.
>> in front of you from around the walls. Uh hi everyone. See where do you want to start? Is this the council? Uh so I'll do a little a little sharing with Christina um your new
council leazison. So on the HBC agenda is usually a council update. Is that where we're at? I'm sorry. I >> we're doing old business bysentennial hall update. >> Thank you. I don't think we've ever called it council update. >> No, I I lost track. Thank you.
>> Yeah, we do the bsentennial hall update. I think you represent that and then when we get to historic association lease represents that. >> Um uh so we're aware once again that there's a scope of work that we've been calling the maintenance um or punch list
of that was referred to. We got an $8,000 grant towards the painting bysentennial hall. Um and that work is has to be put out to bid. I feel like you've all maybe heard this
before except for perhaps um our new commissioner. Um that that piece of work has to be put out to bid and we retain the services of Laura Berwin um a historic preservation architect with Eli
Goldstein's firm and she's putting together that punch list. If you recall, we received sort of an initial list which everyone had responses to and we realized we need more information. So her work is not done. She needs to finalize what she considers to be this
list of work items and attach specifications whether that's going to be for some sort of glass over stained glass or um any number of things but you'll be giving specifications so that you can provide more technical feedback. So
anything on the outside of the building is going to definitely involve the HBC response. So, um, I'm I I'm chairing facilities this year, which will help to ensure that that information gets to you in a timely way, and I'll work with Christina closely to make sure you have
that. Um, my guest is also Chris Bork is going to make sure that happens, too. So, um, stay tuned. I don't have anything new. This is what you've heard before. um government's slow between the holidays and January. So, we'll get some we'll
get hopefully get Laura Burwin's work to ASAP. Then that gets sandwiched between the sort of um boilerplate components of a bid document and that'll go out to bid. There's usually I think it's a 30-day window. We'll review the bids, choose the best,
most qualified, lowest bidder, and then hopefully retain those for services to get the work done. Ideally, we get it done before July 4th, 2026. Yeah. >> For the 250th. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, that's that's the goal. The painting of Bsentennial Hall will take some time. And I guess at least I'll just tag team on other Bsentennial Hall related things. >> And Tracy, has the 250th committee committed to an event on July 4th?
No, that will be at the uh the um >> at Bsentennial Hall. No, the only thing um that the committee has discussed on July 4th is a a bike parade in the morning like an old school kind of
multimodal not big vehicles. you know, the idea of bikes or other kind of slowm moving small vehicular parade heavy emphasis on kids in the community. Um, that's the only thing for the 4th of July. So a suggestion for the committee
is if bsentennial hall is in any is in a good shape at that point at least exterior wise might be nice to make that perhaps a starting or ending point to combine >> that celebration of it the punch list
being done and the 250th bike parade be a nice tie in I think >> to sort of how would you see that working? >> Can't even speak to how that work but either You're going to do a loop a bike perhaps. Um
there's enhance record of this sele. >> I think your point is can bsentennial have a take a bow that day. So >> since since you mentioned that the goal is to hopefully have something completed by that day. It'd be nice to have >> Okay. >> Whatever it is.
>> Well, I do know the front lawn something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I I do know there's going to be um a tea party hosted at at um bysentennial hall. Do you know the date of >> April 17th, I believe?
>> Yeah. Let me grab my phone. I have the >> host. Uh >> yeah. >> That >> so she's organized a really lovely afternoon which is um is it called the Patriots Tea Party? >> Yes. >> Yeah. It's sweet. And um there'll be a
few things happening there that day, but um it's a ladies tea event and there'll be some history and as I understand some soap making and some other >> fun projects. >> So an event, not a fundraiser. Actual event. >> I think it's a fundraiser. >> Oh, is it?
>> Okay. >> Well, at the end there's a fee. >> So I'm I'm looking more towards >> I know. I got you. >> But I understand. So both things perhaps the tea party fundraiser and >> well in one way it'll showcase by Centennial Hall and it is going to be
sweet. Um, and then I think what would be really great if I can um just vibe a little bit on where you're headed is um an official sort of ribbon cutting ceremony to unveil you know it's been a lot of work and everybody's been
dedicated to this so at the appropriate time some and hopefully it's within the vicinity of the 4th of July. One lesson we learned at our holiday event was how extraordinary a musical um portfol I don't know what to call a
group standing in the original place where the first choir stood in the 1800s. It was such a power. I think that was the most powerful moment when we opened that up to the public and seen people sing there. So >> the acoustics sounded wonderful. Of course
>> for meetings, great for great for song, >> great for optics, great for history. Yeah, beautiful for the music. >> Nice. >> Yeah. Um there's more on bsentennial hall but we can wait till the last part to the
historic associ sort of sort of falls on under historic association. >> Um on oh sorry would you like to know the 250 calendar view that they have so far or the events that will be coming down the pipe? Um so in January we have
a lecture January 28th which is tomorrow night right? >> Mhm. Um, so that's the start of it. And then, um, February is a cocktail party, the Liberty cocktail party. Uh, February 20th, that's going to be at the Molly Picture. Um, it's a fundraiser for all
the things that are to come for Fair Haven for the 250th celebration. And then in April is the tea party, as we discussed, April 17th. Um, also that month we have the Burrow Egg Hunt where, um, they're looking to do red, white, and blue eggs.
And then um uh May um the Memorial Day parade and then in June Fair Haven Day, it's really going to be June 13th all Americana focused and they'll be adding more
elements of uh fun and they're moving the time I believe to 5, right? Is that a little later? And then July, as you mentioned, is the bike parade. And then they're talking about decorating your house patriotic contest. Um, and then
September is a camp out and October Halloween. And they're going to add a patriotic Americana costume category. So that's the list. >> Why don't you send it to Sheila and Okay. >> If the commission wants, she can circulate it to them.
>> All right. Um, I think that that's a sketch. There's a lot of other things they're going to fill in. Um, and it's a good start. Yeah, that's the update. >> It's a nice update. >> You want me to jump to 21?
Uh so as of today actually um the burrow hosted a community open house to um basically engage the public as to thoughts and feelings about what is right and what is not right at 21 in
terms of a park. Um many subjects came up. Everything from parking and circulation to um um native plants, questions around the shoreline, whether it could be a living shoreline or a bulkhead. All good thoughts. The same things we've been
hearing. I mean, continuing to do the open house or any kind of public engagement is a great way to kind of identify the narratives that repeat themselves. And this really hones in on what the community wants to see at 21.
Um those takeaways high level I can share with you are whether this can happen or not. You know we still have to put it through as there's a stress test. Some things have to we have to pass for engineers. We have to find out the D is okay with it and all the other things.
But um the prevailing desire is to see a living shoreline. Um, this is viewed as a passive park, something that would be um perhaps contemplative at times, but also like programming to support
children's programs that maybe kids walk down from the library to go to 21 ecological, educational, historic kind of related um or other programs. Um, it was acknowledged that there's the historic dock, the remnants of the
historic original dock are there and that's a plus and a minus because the burrow has repairarian rights. So, right, you don't want kayakers engaging with I don't know that there's going to be kayaking launches from there necessarily, but um it's great that we have the repairarian rights. also,
you know, jagged remnants of old peers is um a hazard, but also it's significant that that's where the town dock was and we can still see parts of it. So, uh in some ways it seems worth calling out even if it's just in the
form of signage and storytelling. Um there are a few other things. Expression requests for trails or walking paths natives possibly taking up the the end of Fair Haven Road so that um where it
reaches Fair Waters Lane that that would be the beginning of the park and we could do away with the asphalt that leads straight to the dock and incorporate the dock and 21. So it feels Yeah. So you enter the park from on top of the hill more or less than down
below. Um or you could either way obviously generally the end there was a continued cry for please evaluate circulation parking and this sort of concerns around
we don't overintensify that lot and compromise the livability of the neighborhood in the immediate area. So that's a sort of sketch of the feedback we got tonight. And the purpose of the openhouse really was to continue to hear from the community, but we have to put together an application for a
grant. We need money to pay for this park. Um that's the bottom line. And um there's a commitment to not take on debt. And that also means we've got to figure out how to fund it. and the best. It's a very grant-worthy project, but um
it costs more than any one grant will cover. So, we have to apply multiple times as many opportunities as we can um uncover. So, May or February 27th, this next application is due and we hope to
get in the $300,000 plus range. We'll see what happens. We don't we don't always get what we want. But so the site will be cleared, braided, and cleaned up and made accessible to
the public, which is considered phase one site stabilization. Um it is an initial wave of completeness. It is by no means complete obviously, but it would at least allow the public
to be able to access the park. We acknowledge that there's uh a question about the bulkhead and the state of it's uh is it's gnarly right now. It's not safe. So, there's a question about how do we make it safe so that it's still
accessible to the public and are we able to answer the question about living shoreline versus engineered edge in time to align with the opening? And that remains an open question, but we'll tackle it. Is there any questions about that?
>> I I just was been out of the loop a little bit. The bureau acquired the property. >> Yes, sir. >> How did that how did that happen? um a vote of the governing body two years ago, I think. >> But was it monetary or was
>> Oh, very good question. Um the burrow had a a very small financial obligation to acquire very little. Most of the money came from the county um the open space fund. >> Okay. >> Uh we used a little bit of money to
assist with the acquisition and some of the due diligence matters. had to pay Nigerian to do an initial um environmental historical that analysis is the name escapes me but you would know it if I said it and and then the
the bulk of the expenditure at least for fair haven has been in site remediation and site stabilization which is the phase we're in now we expect it will be completed in the spring we'll say so sometime in the spring
there'll be a stage stage of completion where it will have trees, not not new trees. There'll be everything will be as you see it. We'll just back we have to grade it and get it a little little less ruddy. All the garbage will be out. Cap stand will stay.
This commission has its eye on the cap stand. Um uh but the will backfill and the the really big open question in my mind as somebody who's paying attention to this is that the uh shoreline and the
existing failing it's not even bulkhead it's like an ancient retaining wall is just barely doing a job at all. So that has to be remedied. Um, even if there's a temporary barrier, I I'm a little ahead of decision- making
at this point, but getting the park open and accessible is a priority, even if it means temporarily putting some sort of edge or safety marker between the park and the water. Yeah, >> that's really nice that he's able to
capitalize on a great location. And obviously, the dock has turned out to be a real center piece for the town as well. So nice that it can be in proximity and maybe used in conjunction with one another.
>> Yeah, >> thanks. Thanks for the update. >> Good question. >> Mhm. >> Um the original pilings that are there, >> are they protected or >> I know that's not really too much of a plan, but is there a plan to remove
them? >> No, there's no plan to remove them right now. I mean, um, they are also not protected, meaning because of some sort of landmark designation. No, to my knowledge, they're not protected either. Um, my my sense is
depending on how it's determined the site to be of its highest that's used to municipality is what's going to drive whether or not the pilings need to be removed or stay on. Obviously, if we have if we invite the public to that site to launch rafts,
like you know, non-milderized water craft of some kind, we can't knowingly let them encounter. All right. We we would I think there'd be an obligation. Again, I'm not an attorney, but I believe we'd be
obligated to make it safe. that doesn't I mean in my mind I also think it's of historic significance pilots and and sort of the role they played in Fair Haven's economy and becoming a community is today without
that trade with New York and that dock fair Haven you know they would have built a dock clearly somewhere but it's worth thinking about how to maybe acknowledge it photograph it document it >> and currently um kayak launching does
take place quite often from from that spit of land to the east of the dock and it seems that that's adequate for the amount of kayakers in town. So >> yeah, >> boat launching occurs also dog launching
>> dog chase things. >> But you're right now that it's our property not private home. That's >> right. >> You know if we see it build it they won't come sort of thing. people will be more tempted even >> even now today there's nothing stopping
anyone from kayaking over those spots sort of by voter beware I'd be I'd be interested if anyone um you know in your your travels or conversations with colleagues if there's you've seen a community address
something like that is there a way to leave it and is there is it worth preserving is that is it is there a way to do that so that It does not compromise the other programmed elements of the park. Our homework should be to go there at low tide and get um Randall
Gabriella's book and just find one of the pictures of how it looks and then see how it is now low tide see but and see if anything hits you like oh you need to visually keep an element or >> and photograph it >> or maybe a few I would imagine removing
it probably no cheap that's going to be expensive itself. >> You mentioned Randall too. I would imagine a number of people on the board knew of him read his books anyway, but he passed this last year.
>> Yeah. >> Interesting. >> At least she almost got up. agreeing to the various >> she I'm going to say this because she's not going to tell you but she was in convers I think and art >> and art she and art were in conversation
with Randy to um work with him to deliver um one piece of a speaker series for the 250th in fair even and it was really only weeks maybe >> days. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. He was really excited and he doesn't Yeah. He was not even doing us a favor. He doesn't do things like that. So, he was just like, "Oh, for you guys are very, but I'll do it." He was so excited. >> Yeah. So, tomorrow night is Chris Rener's uh taking the torch.
>> Was he was it going to be tonight got pushed or >> um No, we don't have just um what did Chris Benner supposed? >> Oh, yeah.
Great. >> So 21 fair sorry real quick the the cap stand. Do you need anything else from us? I know today because I went to the open house there was I mean that doesn't again not much of a plan. At what point do you kind of need a recommendation
>> as to the placement or purpose of the >> cap close to that? >> We're nowhere close to that. I mean, I consider that caps sort of a park feature if it's going to be incorporated. Um, we just we're nowhere near there. I mean, I think warehousing it at 21 is
fine unless someone feels it's like at risk or something. I mean, it it's been in worse more compromised locations over the years. I think it's okay where it is. Um, yeah.
>> I don't think anybody's going to steal that thing. >> It's enormous. >> Yeah. >> Well, thank you so much. Peace, Lord, to see what it all say.
>> Welcome. >> Thank you. Okay. Uh moving on. Um we have the u meeting dates for this next year. Um and uh it's
it's in your packet and um but if there's any particular issues there, this would be a good time to discuss that would be adjusted. I just want to check one thing. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's what I thought. Um,
this year, just so you know, the Bman's fair starts very late because Labor Day is very late. So like usually I can't make So Barry's fair starts the 28th of August Friday and concludes Saturday
5th of September. Um so our meeting on the 25th will not be during the fair. >> First time. Well, without any other uh discussion, I would uh move that we adopt the the uh
uh meeting dates as presented. >> Second, Mr. Henderson. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schl. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. M. Yes. Mr. Gall. Yep.
>> Mr. Yes. and I was not at the December 18 meeting and so uh we have the minutes for now and so I would ask if there's any comments for for that
One question I have is at least did we discuss anything about the um the paint analysis at the December? >> No. No. At that December meeting, did that come up at the December meeting other than to say progress? >> It was just like the memo was on its
way. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it was the November meeting where the meat of that um discussion took place, right? December. Okay. Thanks. >> Mr. Mr.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Mrs. It says >> yeah stain um >> yes >> I love stains moving on we have the historic
association as we move of new updates starting with what's happened which is tomorrow night. Hopefully you guys can all be there at the community center at 6:30. Chris Brener is going to be giving
probably about an hourish um lecture about this chapel and the trolley and the opportina and touching on some 250 stuff. >> Yeah. So all are welcome. Um there's no registration and it's it's he's really really
excited. >> At least I know it's not being zoomed or >> we're going to attempt to record it. Yeah. If hopefully I I haven't used any of that equipment in there yet, but um we're going to let
see if we can. >> It looks like they have pretty good equipment. >> Yeah, I haven't tested it, but yeah, if we can, we will. So hopefully you can make it tomorrow. Um tomorrow night also our the historic association the online
digital archive will officially go live. >> Oh great. >> Tomorrow um Chris will be presenting it and just uh speaking to it a little bit and just it'll you know not tomorrow the day after will go out on social media and um
it's already loosely on the landing as a landing page on our website. So hopefully on Thursday it'll be out to the wider public and people can start submitting >> uh which will be really cool. And the
Century House program will also be going live on the website when that does as well. The association approved an application. I don't know if you guys want to take a look at it, but it was based off of what
Art had sent me from the original application what that kind of looked like. And so every month whenever submitted, I'll write it to you guys and you guys can take a look and and I'll send, you know, whenever I get Sheila so
you guys will have a copy of whatever specifically. We'll take a look at it together as a group. So the the landing page for the Century House program and the landing page for the online digital archive submission forum
will both be uh up and running this week, which is huge information. Um the only 250 update I have at the moment is that we'll be doing a essay booster
contest with the schools. Uh the winner will do grade by grade whatever whatever they decide essay or poster and they have a few prompts that we're going to give them and the winner will be announced the June board event meeting and then hopefully the
submissions will be on display on July 4th. >> Yeah. during Yeah. during the parade. And the last final thing is the BCA is the European analysis document uh which all of our packet um
which is just fascinating. I I mean TR can speak to it better than I can but um if you guys haven't had a second to look flip through it, it's it's so so cool. She the woman that was there she was there for a few hours. I
think she collected a 13 samples >> and it's fascinating >> you can first read of it at least. Yeah. just like was wow we got our money's worth totally this
>> analysis both from the analysis and the research they did very nicely and I think it painted a good picture of of of >> what was and why it was there >> yes
>> so that's great because it that that has gone so favor >> but that's what it was I mean look at places like the train station. So, a very similar kind of range of colors. It was a much
different feeling and you know, it was great that they were able to do that. Now, it's I'm not sure procedurally how that is dealt with in the lead painting. Uh, >> well, we should we should speak to that. Um so
um backing up a click the the um council has had this sort of forward momentum committee-driven bsentennial hall uh process and um
uh Laura Bwind has was asked to come up with a recommendation as to paint color and I know that we've talked about those. It's very contextualized sort of she used an approach to contextualize a recommendation
as to a paint color and um the barrel opted not to pay the extra money for this analysis which is their prerogative. Um the historic association to their credit felt that this would be
a worthwhile piece of the story. Whatever ultimately color the building gets painted that this was um an important piece of information. And um I want to just credit that organization for its commitment to the
building, its commitment to factf finding science and just accuracy in the story regardless of what leaders do. There's a a thread through history and if you look for the facts, you can
usually find them. And so the historic association hired um a firm that Steve Heler um told Elisa and I of want to thank Steve for bringing them to us because they were wonderful to work with.
>> They are so excited about their specific niche of work. Um they did collect 13 samples from various locations. I think the best way to summarize this in my opinion is it's kind of like a an Oreo, a green Oreo. It was green, it is green,
and in the middle is a whole bunch of different whites. And um there's a small it's a sentence maybe. I'm not sure I can find it right now that acknowledges that at some point prior to the painting of the building currently someone did some sort of investigation in the past never been
able to produce a report or any kind of it clearly something occurred for her to and the folks she was working with at the time I wasn't here I don't know but um they arrived at this color palette uh which is aligned perfectly with the
paint catalog what was that 1890 it's in here. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah. So >> period, >> right? So that that research was done and that's how come we have this color because it was there and they knew. So um it does validate that it does confirm
that some of that investigation was done at the time and that um you know >> Pat was um I wish Pat were here. >> I do too. >> Beating something. I think people didn't really >> because she couldn't come up with the paperwork and she didn't know where it
was. But these people found the same colors that were put on there to all the better validates. >> Tremendous validation. >> I like the colors called land of liberty too. >> Yeah. Okay. So,
>> so procedurally to the repainting of the building, how's the decision made? Is are they going to restore it to what was there or is it going to be >> like a lot of community decisions? you know, it's made by a group um a process
that's probably not perfect, but this report has been sent to the bar administrator, the mayor, the um and the chairman of the historic preservation commission for distribution to this commission.
And um I then know that uh Chris York as our BA rightly sent it off to Laura Burwin so she could incorporate it into her recommendations as she's putting her final you know formulating her final thoughts. Um
and to my mind separate from all of that which is we'll just say it's in the pipeline there's a this falls within your jurisdiction. the exterior of the building and the way it contributes to the community in the historic sense is
part of the HPC's purview. So >> is that something more we could vote on and do memorandum? >> Yes, I think we agreed to that meeting. I don't think you're at that meeting. I think artist I think the flow was research done and then art would write a
memorandum based on our recommendation and we would vote on agreement on what the essence of that accreditation like if it essentially accepts the >> one of the things about this uh report is um it doesn't necessarily contradict what did >> right
>> if you look at the evidence she had the evidence went back to >> middle the photographs um after the 1950s and even the 1940s. This goes much back before that. So there was a big there was a period of
that building being white. And uh I think we were saying you need to go a little deeper than that because you want to get this decision right and make it authentic to sort of respect the people that built that church. And um I'm really happy that you did this work
because I think it gives us the evidence to respect the legacy of the people that built that church and color palette. Um it it it may not be contemporary but that's what history buildings are. It's meant you you put the history on that
block and it will stop people and get them and ask what's going on there is that his chapel. Um, so it will go into the African-American community and it will be a a statement of legacy to them and it be something would be very proud of >> and in fact a lot of very at that point
was also with that similar color palette. It just you know that's that was really >> yeah and things got changed and got whitewashed later on as the darker earthier colors out of favor. I think Steve brings up a great point and I know
everybody who stops at the light that sick and ward and broad sees that the Allen house and that color of that Allen house that odd copper everybody pivots their edge to look at that what is that and
>> and that has been white too for a long >> correct and we've talked about how in fair even when you lose your visual history you have to work a little harder Like now with the police station being gone now we we have beautiful plaque in
front of the police station now you have to work harder to explain to people what was there and I think this recommendation which I hope goes forward you don't have to work so hard to say this was a historic church >> well we have a goal here too I don't know but we should wait till art can
join us and and do that where we have that thorough discussion among the and and pick up get that memorandum. I don't know why when that's important to me. >> Well, can I make a suggestion? Um, his
art usually drafts the memorandum of action and this is a I don't want to step out of line, but this is very close to his heart as well. So, I mean that's entirely really up to you as the acting chair how you want to handle you said the agenda. Um, and
>> well, I I don't know what the urgency is at this >> there's no I don't think there is. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I mean, I I would ask him to be part of it. It'd be good. I mean, believe me, I'd love to. I think we all absolutely like Yeah, >> I think we're likeminded here of of
probably wanting to bring it back to what was originally there. But uh I I think being the attorney that he is and we'll be able to write a much more forceful thorough one. >> I think I watched the video tonight
in February. >> This um um a motion the recommendation preservation commission will present. I think it should not just be we make a recommendation to accept these colors. I think there should be a little history
right now so people understand why you're picking colorist based on they don't 100 years now but the representative represent actually it's the purpose of the historical commission identify >> that no I'm saying this commission
should >> I believe this commission should make proposal should a recommendation that exterior restoration of this building this chapel makes sense. >> So I I need to jump in here. This is not a recommendation. This is this is a a
very da document. It's science. It's just the facts, ma'am. What you do with it, if you want to make a recommendation based on this, this has not formulated any recommendation at all. I just want to be very clear about that so you don't >> uh trip yourself up. >> Well, they're not um
>> they're not making policies for stamp, but in here it says they recommend you use these these original colors. these are the colors we recommend and we're saying these are the colors that were there in 1882. That's all I'm saying. >> They are saying these are the colors that were there in 1882. >> You can take that and formulate a
recommendation as is your >> role is so uh but that being said it the difference of a month doesn't make a big difference. I know Art has very strong feelings of it and we as you said you
could you could watch the video alternatively but I think I'd like to have a >> conver there is a pretty strong statement in here. >> I would encourage you to >> BCA's recommendations for restoration finishes and color matches are provided below. >> So they're telling you these are the
color matches that align with their research. They're not telling you we recommend the town painted this coat. There's a just this narrow area of discernment so that when you formulate your wording in your memorandum that's hard to work.
>> Yeah, exactly. Just so >> Steve's point too, does it end up just in that memorandum which gets a a more narrow kind of exposure or is there some way outreach to the community of people
that might not understand that you know that well that's an odd you know right you know was it like a 70s kind of thing they were you know into or or what you know but whereas it's actually >> we should explain that in And if we're
suggesting something to council, >> yeah, >> my read on having talked to many people who are not on the committee, not on the association is they are very respectful of what the association's doing, what the commission is doing with this and there's a there's a lot of trust. I
don't think you're going to get I think it would be the opposite. I think it's but I agree um outreach to the public and certainly inviting them to this meeting in February and would be important and >> I appreciate what Trac and I think if
you sense send a little bit of we want to be precise. We want to get this right. We want to make sure this is done right and that >> maybe this whole report too could get on the bureau's website. is
public. >> I think that would give at least wide exposure for >> that's people that might not otherwise. >> So interesting just it's so fascinating. The pictures are fascinating. >> You can just imagine how different things look at that point because it was
just a whole another thought. >> Yeah. of being within the country. I mean this is I don't want to muddy the wires but but they actually that same community also painted it white lightish white other colors as well you know that
doesn't dilute the fact that it was originally the green with the brick fuller you know this pallet >> I also >> but that same community went on to paint it other colors which just there's a purist view and then there's a well the
community paints its buildings and so I I personally just want to see a proper page. >> I I have one more comment in here that's not it's not clear in this report. I think they report very closely and we look at the um where they actually
showed >> that in seto micros. Yeah. >> They put years next to it and it says 1882 and then it says post to the mid 20th century. >> Yeah. Well, I went back and talked to some people about because that mean could have been just green from 1882 and
they said no the number of each layer represents a new paint job an average paint job they do every 10 or 15 years so that white didn't show up for four or five paint jobs which took me down to like 1920.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> So I you need to understand this was green from 1882 the majority of the time that was used as the African-American building for this chapel at the church. And then at some point it got white. This person was explaining to me that um
you know you can see white get in get into the earlier periods. That's because the paint's feeling a little cracks up and you see the white come there. It's just it's a fascinating thing. But um this says that it was green for
>> for multiple decades decades. Then it wasn't used anymore. >> The last 50 years this has not been a place of worship. So we're really talking about the period before 1976 and what represents when
before the new fish chapel ami took place. >> I think it was 1940 something. Where did I see that? It was a It was a picture. >> Yeah. Was pitching the news. >> There also are many newspaper
articles from the register and the standard. They were doing a lot of fundraising sales >> 1949. Sorry Katie. This is building pierce be painted over a light colors. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't it doesn't it doesn't change your point by the way. It just it's a
but it was certainly before the 70s. Oh yeah. >> It's just interesting because at some point they was right at least. Yeah. >> 70 or the mid4s or even early >> because the pictures 1947.
Anyway, um I think this commission has a role to play in in thinking about making a recommendation and you have Laura Burwin's recommendation which you all got and now you also have this as additional data to inform. Is your
sense, Tracy, I don't know if you can speak to this, that she has this data that there might be a Wow, I was not aware of this. I'm going to change my initial recommendation based on what you did to me. >> I have no idea. >> You don't know those tea leaves yet?
>> No. >> No, I don't. I haven't had a chance to talk with her. Um, nor have we had an initial facilities meeting. So, but if I'll I will I will put it forward when that meeting occurs. Cool
stuff. N >> fascinating. >> Great. Well, is there any other u thoughts business or um do you any other business for this evening? >> Thank you. Thank you for doing this. I
was so happy. Thank you. >> Good partnership. Happy new year everybody. We'll get until next month and I I guess we'll pick up along the way with the discussions the bank owners there on the the chapel
and I make you know make a motion and to you know have the board and follow with the memorandum >> and if for any reason that moves forward before that you would let us know. Absolutely. Yeah. >> I've been on the historic association
for three years. So, I was a part of this decision. So, it holds a special place in my heart as well. >> We um I'll make sure that the that Christina knows whatever I know in terms of timing because I'll be closer to the you know, just the way this committee system is set up in Fair Haven. Um so,
we'll stay in close contact to make sure Sheila has anything. >> We like each other. So, Yeah. Make a motion.