Just testing. Testing. >> Hey, this is the regular meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission of Fair Haven. Adequate notice of this meeting has been given uh pursuant to the provisions of the open public meetings act at the time of the board reorganization in January of this year.
The board adopted a regular meeting schedule for the year. Notice of the schedule was sent to and published in the Asbury Park Press on January 30th, 2026 and in the Two River Times on February 12th, 2026. That notice was also posted on the bulletin board in the
burough hall and has remained continuously posted there as required by the statute. Copy of the notice as is and has been available to the public and is on file at the office of the burough clerk. Copy of the notice has also been sent to members of the public as have requested such information in accordance
with the statute. Adequate notice having been having been given. The board secretary is directed to include this statement in the minutes of the meeting. Do we have a roll call? >> Yes. Uh Mr. P >> here. >> Mr. Anderson >> here. Mr.
>> here. >> Mr. Howard >> here. >> Mr. Silver >> here. M >> here. >> Mr. Goa >> here. M >> Forte >> here. >> And Mr. Smith. >> Okay. So we have two applications on a couple of other things to do. The first of which is Kevin Bond. Um but you're
number one. We I want to give you as much time as possible. But we have another application which is a sign application which is relatively uncomplicated. Would you mind if we have that take that one first? >> That's just fine. >> Okay. So the first one we have is Carrie Anderson Bray 769 River Road 49 lot 5.
And the work proposed is a new sign. Come on up. Have a seat and introduce yourself for the record. >> Hi Carrie Anderson Bray. I am the owner of Wander at Luxury Travel. I just brought my business into fair event. So I'm very excited. Thank you. And um I am
proposing a new sign to be added to the sign um the signage that's already there just to identify my business for my clients. Um feel free to ask me any questions, but I proposed it to be
exactly what's there um in terms of the wood that they used and to keep it looking aesthetically pleasing. >> And um what what which sign are you going to place it? was the business. >> So, it's actually empty now. So, it would >> you remember what it was before?
>> It was an interior design company before >> and um the the picture that you have in terms of the colors and and the uh on the actual existing signpost uh that's exactly what you're proposing. >> Yes. So, those are my brand colors, but they just happen to I think play very
nicely with the signs also on the I don't know exactly what you call it, but the main signpost. Is there any texture to the surface of the side? >> Nope. Other than just would be painted painted wood. >> Question for anyone.
>> We get a lot of these because you know I guess >> unfortunately there's some turnover in some of the business. So frequently we handle these and it's really just a put through so to speak because this is a signpost. Well not the sign post necessarily but every one of the signs I think we've already approved. it kind
nature and style that you know a number of other businesses have in the district and uh I guess illustrated by this signpost. Um so uh with that well do we have any comments or thoughts from the audience or from Sue
>> I have a question the square sign where is that? >> So that is proposed to be where the stairs are to let them know that my entrance because my office is located upstairs. something >> on the uh sort of the gravel driveway over there. >> Yes. And it it was apparently there was already a sign there because there's
hooks. So, it's it's really to just replace it with my business, but to look aesthetically pleasing to my brand. >> I drove by and I saw that blank space. It look very nice. Yeah. Be pretty. >> Okay. >> I think so. Thank you.
Um I'll I'll make a motion that we approve the sign uh as proposed >> in the configuration and form as proposed both uh in front and on the redeemed east side of destruction. >> I'll second the motion.
>> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Tudtor. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mora. >> Yes. >> Miy Mr. All >> yes, congratulations again. Welcome.
>> Thank you. I appreciate it. And I hope to see you all traveling soon. >> Dean, I told you to be. >> Hi guys. Uh Kevin Vaughn. Um I live at 14 Clay Street. My wife and I moved in
uh with our three now four boys last August of 2025. >> Uh we are proposing a uh replacement of uh windows and shutters at our uh at our home. Uh window replacements. We have uh
there's a series of uh different windows throughout our house. Uh we believe perhaps one of them original on the third floor. a series of other windows that are a bit of a hodgepodge of different uh different types mostly sort of um you know one over one uh simple
windows. Uh we're proposing to replace we have uh we have Marvin wood windows um that are going to be six over six uh double hung uh that are be you know wood windows that'll be uh painted uh white
in the field white trim in the field uh true uh you know not uh they'll be you know wood on both the outside and the inside on the mountains with spacer bars. Um we have uh in addition to those windows, we'll be keeping the you know all the
trim details uh of the existing windows. Uh in addition to the windows, we're replacing the shutters. Uh we have shutters that are uh nailed onto the building to the facade of the building. Today we're replacing uh them with uh wood timberlain shutters with uh
hardware detail that'll actually, you know, uh actually be able to close with iron tiebacks uh and shutter uh closing hardware. Um those will be painted navy in the field. Um so that's the that's what we're looking to get approved today.
>> Great. Tell us a little bit about the house. uh if you know any history of it, age uh any >> so as we've uh big picture we as we've been told I think it's 1903 or thereabouts in terms of the uh in terms of the construction
uh Dutch colonial uh you know fairly simple box um about 2,000 square feet maybe on a good day. Um it's got uh you know white sl white wood uh horizontal sliding on the first floor with with uh
shingles on the second floor. Um you know small uh small front porch and picket fence. And our goal was to uh kind of you know obvious you know we have a we have a appreciation for uh the historic architecture of our area. It
was a big driver in our moving to Glacry. Uh, our goal was to sort of try to recapture a lot of the the feel of the neighborhood with with the windows and the and the shutters and the work that we're doing. >> Do you think that was the whole house built at the same time or do you think there was different parts of it?
>> The back the there's a the back um there's a back edition of a kitchen that was that was added on maybe 20 years ago. >> Oh, that recently. >> Yeah. the front uh front of the house, you know, in the front of the house and uh nothing on the facade or uh or on the
sort of the what is the east and west side kind of visible from the facade has been, you know, touched. We don't think the windows certainly kind of replaced in different spots over time. And then kind of that back end >> bolted on. >> Um I said that cool a gamrell like sort
of Dutch colonial sort of rural barn structure. How would you describe it? from an architectural sense. Shingle style shingle style not not uncommon. Um, you know, there's other other homes in the district and certainly in the area that they're like that. Um, and I
would I think the the materials, the timber uh with with all the hardware and the tiebacks and the, you know, the dental hinges, all that is is is exactly what we would hope, you know, would happen. And that's,
you know, very, you know, with the spacer bars, the whole bit, you know, you know, I I could, you know, that's great. Um, and and the quick question, why um, uh, did you go for the six over six rather than
the the two over ones? So the >> so there's there's existing there the existing uh windows today are a mix of they're all one over ones with sort of fake spacer bars on the inside
only. So it's a mix of like you know >> also the two over twos are not original. >> No. >> Okay. That's a good >> Yeah. All of everything we're doing is everything we're touching and replacing is not original. uh is not original
witness >> and that's I mean that's a fair enough game. I mean the six over six versus six over one versus two over two. I think they're all you know around the district. >> Yeah. >> So I I think yeah that's that's great that you've gone to this length to do
that. Um and do you want to share a little bit of your background with the board because there's not too many people that we have that has his background. Well, let me just interrupt also by saying the the application was spot on. Great.
>> Appreciate that. >> One other thing though too is I did a little research on too about the 6 over6 thinking the same thing. Um and basically the overall consensus is that 6 over6 is consistent with Dutch colonial shingle style and a rural barn
style. So it's so what you know you're indicating obviously that what's there is not original but not only does it look terrific but it would be architecturally accurate based on the uh on the nature of the house. >> I agree and appreciate it. >> Uh yeah quick we I'm a I'm a real estate
developer. I focus on hotels and we focus on on uh mostly large you know redevelopment projects often often historic uh structures and and related. We just finished a a large historic rehab of a 100-y old building in Atlanta. We we own a uh we own a post
office in Hoboken, New Jersey that we're currently redeveloping uh with, you know, a bunch of historic nature to it. Uh and my educational background, I studied architectural history and theory uh as an undergrad. Um no professional licenses on the architecture fronts, but uh it's a world I'm in on a day-to-day basis.
>> What's the post office building? >> Frank Sinatra. It's a Frank Sinatra post office at 89 River Street. It's we're keeping most of the post office intact and we're putting a hotel on the water side of it. Right. >> My son bless therapist. >> There you go. There you go.
>> And you also I believe that was some time ago I had some interest in being involved with the board here. >> Yeah. As we get our bearings, I'd love to, you know, I'd love to I'd love to think about that. we uh you know part of the reason I want to make sure you know I do do things the right way in terms of
the uh in terms of the program and everything like that as we as we get our bearings and uh and get a sense of of how the whole system works here u but yes absolutely uh absolutely something uh that that's of interest I mean we're proposing is like I said uh
spot on exactly what the this commission looks for and the shutter would be tremendous improvement I I think the one for the tremendous improvement as well. >> Appreciate it. >> Any uh thoughts, comments from the audience or on Zoom.
Sometimes there's a contagion when someone really does a nice job on their house. Should be >> and it affects other neighbors because there's no consistent uh use of windows and shutters around that block. Every once in a while I get three in a row,
but everything sort of >> appreciated. >> Okay. Um I will make a motion that uh the lawn application be granted in its entirety for the uh based on representations made by the applicant and that contained in the submission. U
that's it. I'll second the motion. >> Uh Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Anderson. Yes. >> Mr. Sh. >> Yes. >> Mr. Feller. Yes, >> Mr. Pora. >> Yes, Mrs. Casey. >> Yes. And Mr. B. >> Yes.
>> Thank you. Just another question before I go. As we as we think about um just future future stuff at the house, we've got a you know, a shed barn on on our property and um we, you know, we we don't have any formal plans or anything now, but as we start to think through uh
what we might some of the things we need to do, we've got decaying aspects of it. We've got doors that are cracked and leaking and uh termite damage and whatnot. So, we the the the building itself will always stay as is and nothing material to it and no change in
in the in the structure or anything like that. But in terms of uh replacement of of those bar of those barn doors and then uh replacement, there's a window in the side and we were thinking about potentially having access on the side. What should I be thinking about or you
know as we as we think about that project and replacing those windows and whatnot? What is what should I think about in terms of what the what the committee might be looking for in in a project like that? >> Can you see it from the street? >> Yeah. >> Because we couldn't see it. >> How well does that structure?
>> And we think it's original. It think it's original with the house. Yeah. >> Yeah. Maybe maybe a new roof at some point. Certainly a new roof at some point. Uh but it's an old it's an old structure. Yeah, actually it's uh depicted in one of the photos. Um so
it's clearly visible and I suspect that uh is it the side that you're looking to do a modification on on both side? >> Yeah, faced in the hard we've got a hard surface patio uh you know between that that that barn and the house. So big picture be uh
something with those doors either replacing kind those doors or replacing those doors with a window in favor of a of a door on the on the side facing the patio that gives access directly to the back door and then over to the you know driveway on the on the other other side. >> Yeah. I mean so if we look at the photo we see that it's really that portion of
the structure is partially visible. It's not sort of you have to be at an angle to see it and even from that angle it's sort of uh probably blocked by the house. So I would think whatever you decide to do with the structure itself, I think it, you know, if there was modifications or drastic modifications,
I think it'd be kind of hidden so it's not visible from the street. And obviously I think that that little structure sort of complements the house a little bit. There's certainly an to it. the more that you maintain that structure from, you know, the overall visibility of that structure, um, you
know, would probably go a long way in terms of some modifications on a portion of it that aren't isn't readily visible from the street. >> Yeah. Yeah, makes sense. >> And, you know, you could always come in on an informal basis and you don't have to worry. We don't have to worry about noticing. just let Sheila love. No, it
once you have some sort of concrete ideas plural, if you have a bunch of different design or thoughts and then you can kind of get the temperature of uh what the thoughts are here and probably makes your life a lot easier. Go. Let me >> We have an application last year that did something similar
adding barn doors and we we were I remember we were pleased that they added an aesthetic that seemed like I can't remember >> I think it was the I don't know remember the house number but it's sort of diagonally across on Farad David Road. Um, it's a deep house and it has a driveway on the right and they made it
almost into an it was a like a just a detached garage that was sort of generic >> and they Yeah, they put a a little bit more architectural design. I think we also have a barn at the end of Fairhead Road um towards Lupo at the very back. That was a couple
years ago. Um, so yeah. So, and I think that, you know, it looks like the uh the structure is, you know, a bit old and I don't know how deteriorated it is, but clearly, you know, any kind of changes to it. Um, you have to demonstrate that it's not structural sound and that sort
of thing. >> I don't think that should be much. >> Okay, makes sense. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you guys. Thanks, Right, old business. We move on to old business in the bicesentennial hall
update. Uh I know that we don't have Steven Prague. Uh he he will probably be here next month and he is the landscape architect that's going to forsentennial hall. I understand we may be receiving something. Keep a lookout for receiving
email with uh some type of a schematic or a um submission by him in terms of what is the proposal to be done by Centennial Hall. Anything on we have anything on that issue? Anyone?
>> I think Christina's online. She is >> I spoke with she kitty. Oh, she might be. She said she's on Zoom and she'll be here in 10 minutes. >> Oh, hi. I'm here. Sorry, my uh child care.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm I'm on my way. I'm going to be there in like five minutes. Uh but in terms of Bsentennial Hall, we were supposed to have all the information this meeting. Um unfortunately, it got delayed. Uh but we do have the
information back from Laura. Uh next week facilities is going to sit and go through it. And once that's approved with them, uh our next meeting in June, I should have that information for us to go over and then once um you guys
approve it, we can then move it to the governing body. Yeah, I never mind. >> Can Can you hear me? >> Yes. Um Okay. Um >> and I have one thing to add about Sentennial Hall. Um I don't know if Ruth
Blazer attended HPC meetings. She's tended to attend every other meeting for the last 40 years. She passed away about a month ago, maybe two months ago. And um her um memorial service or celebration of life is going to be at
Bhalt, which interestingly enough, I looked it up, was recommissioned as a community center, I believe, the year she moved and her family moved into Fair Haven in 1975, which is kind of cool. But anyway, it's going to be on June 6th, 1 to 3. So anybody that moves
Blazer, and there'll be stuff on social media, right? celebrate. >> Okay. Uh we will then move on to 21 Fair Haven Road update. Do we have anything on that? I'll take that as a no.
She might. You know what it is? We'll wait until she gets here. It's probably a lot easier. >> Yeah. Just she's on her way. >> Yeah. I'm I'm in Fair Haven. I'm going to be there in three minutes. Yeah, if you get there. So, in the meantime, then we have
another matter that uh I'm proud and happy to say is going to be the first time that we are awarding a um a century plaque. And you guys can come on up. And just by way of background, this is a program that was started, I believe, in
the late 1980s and it continued on into the 1990s. uh it actually predated the restoration commission and um through the work of the historic association it's been resurrected and I know that two of you people came before us to talk about your
house and you know clearly had adequate information and proof of the fact that it's a hunty old house and we told you that it was a work in progress and so um again I know that you submitted it to the association there was some vetting that was gone on it was a very nice
package that was submitted and Um and so you know here you're before us for the for the first pres presentation of the first plaque in the renewal of that program. So congratulations. >> Yeah. >> But uh so we know that we heard from you
a while ago about the house. We want you submitted like I said a nice package which with some history and uh tell us a little bit about it and did you bring photos because that's one thing that was lacking. Tell us your put your name on the record as well. >> Yeah. >> And your address. Um, Stephen Saraf, 470
River Road, >> and then his wife Delane Saraf. >> Okay. So, tell us a little bit about the house, what you know. We obviously have the history of who lived there and the ownership track, but tell us about it. >> There you go. >> Um, I I guess I'll start real quickly.
Um, just a little background. This kind of started as a not a joke but a challenge in a way because we had we were at a a dinner one time with Ralph Ralph Windam and we mentioned the century plaque and he said well somebody has them in drawers somewhere in Burough
Halls but it was kind but it was kind of neat because then Delane took up the challenge and you'll tell about the the research that he'd done but it was really fascinating and it's really neat because this you know it's coming up the 250 anniversary
of the US, but you think about this little house in Fair Haven and all the history behind it and it's just a regular house, you know. So, why don't you talk about the, you know, what what you found out? >> Sure. Sure. Um, really besides the
photos, the only new information we have is that um we came before you almost a year ago, so now we can say the house is 119. I should ask it looks like it was the actual house was built between 07 and
13. Do you know exactly when it was completed? >> Uh, actually we we don't from from the articles that I printed. We we know when the property was purchased and that um >> they said it was going to be quickly built or something. >> Yes, I I think it said it was going to
be quickly built and then the next door neighbor was also doing a house at the same time for the same price, you know. So, >> and any history prior like would was this a larger track? Was it farmland or something before 1907? >> Yeah. Wasn't it so like they bought
there there was a lot of back and forth where you know the whole block or I I remember you researched that. >> Yeah. >> Before coming here. So, >> yeah. Refreshed. I I don't have that at my fingertips. But we we did include a map of
>> what I think it was East Side Park looked like at the time. And so, um, our property is actually one and a half lots, which is marked, um, on there. So, um, and it was Front Street at the time, but Lexington was there, Hance was
there. So, um, yeah, I guess I I should have done a little more >> historical background. >> It's all good. Couple of questions. Was Theodore White and Mary White were any were they related in any way to Fer White and Betty White?
>> I don't know that either. And but I wondered that um >> it's just because the original owners share the same last name that B 361. >> And then uh another just a couple of questions. Uh I see that you said you
re-recorded the deed in the name of the town. We'll do that. >> Yeah. Oh, go ahead. of your first deed. >> Yeah. Yeah. It had the town of Fairlon and it was a mistake on the deed and I'm like, >> you know, just having to look at it. It's like, is this right?
>> A whole application. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh yeah. I mean, because actually the trolley started in 1898, so in front of the house once 1920s. >> Yeah. And so that would have been probably a prime prime location right
for the trolley problem center and go back. >> The thing that I'd love to find and we haven't done any research on it is you know what Dor Dorren has all those photographs and it would be amazing to see something >> you know just of the glimpse of the house what it looked like. >> Yeah. Yeah, I was also kind of surprised
that the um tract of land was wasn't larger because the house seems like with quarter share. It's almost like it it would sit on a larger piece of property or like almost be like a bit of a farmhouse type, >> right? >> Yeah. It's it's 75 by 200, which is, you
know, in Fair Haven, that's a pretty good size lot. And um I I know we've gotten a lot of letters in the mail. It's like, we want to buy your house because I think they just want the lot. But, you know, it's I I I won't sell it for that reason. >> Well, that that's one of the reasons we
want to get the Century PL. We realize the next owner >> would probably easily decide to tear it down, but we hope we'll make them think twice because we want >> Yeah. I mean centric life really has no impact historic district but it is a something
to think about whether or not in the future the you know wording of the centuries back to found Harry within some type of you know jurisdiction of the commission for the purpose of knocking it down. I think that that might be a good idea but >> right and at our last meeting and in
previous meetings we have talked about that um even though we don't have jurisdiction over most else Hayden that something as simple as being aware of history might give a an owner just a few minutes of thought yeah
>> before deciding to tear down and you know we have someone like Mr. Vong who obviously has a passion for historic houses. So what you're doing in the century plaque in other sections of fair haven I think may inspire others to hopefully think twice before tearing down these
>> historical. We hope so. >> One thing I learned is I never realized that part of fair haven I knew it was Shbury Township. I never knew it was called East Side Park. >> No ripping. >> Yeah. >> Right. We only learned from from the map. So >> that's really interesting. >> Yeah. >> Was that um some of the questions I
asked before. was the house all built at the same time. So was there now or are there any additions in the necessary structure too? Same general time frame. >> Yeah, we have an addition that we had put on and we tried to keep the same you know style that that the rest of the house has.
>> Is that east side? >> Um yeah it's on east side in the back of the house and the the architect when he designed it he had it parry on what the what the porch looked like. So it's like you just take the wraparound porch and then duplicate down on the back of the
house. >> Yeah. >> So cool. So actually again just having looked at some of these applications that like that style those columns with the wraparound porch colonial revival force American force.
>> Yeah. >> But that that this colonial revival using those kinds of columns apparently was all the rage after the centennial in 1876. >> Okay. >> And um basically you know the era was like 1895 to 1940 that file was put
together. still revive a little bit. But >> yeah, it's it's kind of neat inside too. I didn't take any pictures so you wouldn't have to see our quarter, but um in in the living room, uh whenever you go up the stairs to the second floor, there's like a little raised area and it has the columns, you know, same type
that are on the porch, you know, two columns that you go through up two steps and then there's a set of six steps to a landing and then another six steps up to the the second floor. And off of there, there's like a back stairway. I don't know if that's the servant stairway or
you know whatever but that could go out of the kitchen >> just you know again paying attention to this so so the strikers gentlemen >> uh I guess was it far short at the harshore >> yeah that's fascinating too he went to the shadow
>> yeah so he uh >> that's I mean the history >> it's it's almost like the plaque you know we're really still interested in it but the history that we learn is like so fascinating That's Yeah. And like you said, if people only would know do a
little research that a 100-y old house isn't that old anymore. >> Yeah. >> And there's history there. So that >> you standards between the old Depra house and the greenhouse. Yeah. >> And are they they built around the same time? You know,
>> and Dupri always swore that it was the same builder for her house and ours. We don't know that for a fact, but >> yeah, I suspect the one on the other side and then probably the two across the street, they were probably built in the same area. You know, probably later. >> That's where I'm going with this is, you
know, there a young couple that just bought that house last year or two. So, >> yes. >> And maybe we'll have a little bit of a >> Yeah, Emily and >> Oh, okay. Right, right, right. Yeah, >> you generally tell I think by the
banisters and stained glass and also like the banisters and the stairways you can tell they a lot of these guys used to use like certain types of styles as almost a trademark that some of the little >> but yeah so um in terms of the proofs that have been submitted obviously the
deeds uh the old deeds weren't supplied but clearly have de a book a page the dates of the deed you know comprehensive history together you have other types of artifacts photographs um a narrative and um and newspaper
clippings sort of you know kind of filling in the blanks not just seeing the transfer of title but just a little bit of personality of some of the people that have lived there kind of bringing a house to life before. So um uh the format I suspect would be as an
application to get the plaque uh I'll make a motion that based on the proofs that have been submitted that there clearly has been a demonstration that this house is fearful. We don't know 1907 1913 they both qualify. >> Um but with that being said um you know obviously the application was
comprehensive and complete. I appreciate that and um I made a motion that we award a century plaque to the >> SAS. I thank you >> Mr. Pap. >> Yes. >> Mr. Henderson. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schm. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Heler. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Fora. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Casey. Yes, Mr. Bro. >> Yes. So, I don't want to also lose sight of the fact that, you know, this program was brought about by the historic association and brought to the commission to work hand in hand. So, a
lot of the work that Elise did and rest of uh the executive staff there and the volunteers there really put this back into motion. So, I don't I don't know whether you want to say anything about it, Elise, but obviously really the motivating. >> No, thank you guys. And you guys have set the bar very very high.
>> Congratulations. for so so so inspiring my whole and everything. Congratulations you guys. >> We're so pleased. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Before you showed up, we were saying we
don't have a this is newish, so we don't have a ceremony structure. So you can see it. This is great. >> And then I'll get a closeup of this. There we go. Congratulations. >> Well, you probably a good quality
picture, right? >> That's very we'll send a picture on Twitter as well. >> Good job. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Bye guys. Thank you.
All right. Well, just we'll back up a little bit and we'll uh I know it was kind of weird with the zoom when you were chiming in about tech hall and about 21 um fair road. So, I don't know if there's anything that we missed or >> um yeah, my apologies like child care
got a little delayed. Um but I do have an update. Um Bison Tiny Hall, like I said, could you hear me? I don't know. as Okay. Um, >> so that should be moving by next by June. Hopefully we can get Laura here to
go over the proposal for you. Um, and I don't know if we can get Stephen as well. I don't know if you would want that on the agenda. >> Yeah, I think so. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, and then so that's that. And then 21 Fair Haven Road. Um they met
with the Stevens Institute of Technology and they are interested in creating a concept plan for some form of a living shoreline. Um so that was two weeks ago. So there will be another meeting to outline specifics probably in July.
>> Great. Um any any discussion on any of the council meetings or any of the paint color issues for Bentennial Hall? Has that gained any traction yet? >> It has not come up yet. I think once the Laura uh we go through that goes through
facilities goes through um the HPC uh we're definitely myself and Tracy will definitely help push that along. >> Is that um the color piece when those are meeting next week? is Lar coming back and making the recommendation for
the repairs and the improvements at Bsentennial Hall to include the color and any any other punish items. >> So, in all transparency, I haven't looked at the the filings yet. I wanted it to go through facilities first. Um,
but I would imagine cuz the last time I spoke with her, she was okay with the color that uh you had suggested. So, um, I didn't hear anything otherwise. >> Okay. Well, I have a paintbrush again. I'm ready. >> All right. Let's go. Let's get after it.
>> Great. Any uh questions, thoughts from the audience or from Zoom about Centennial Hall or 21 Fair Haven Road. >> And uh I I spoke with Tracy earlier. The the reading of the Declaration of Independence on July 4th will be at 20
Road. >> Yeah. And that leads us perfectly into the 250th uh committee's uh programs and the the session that outlines what's going to be happening on the 4th of July. Also, a lot of activities are going to be happening at fair giving day
um foundation for fair haven day which I want to say because anybody know >> June 13th >> June 13th. Yes. >> Okay. Um the um next issue we'll I'll make a
motion that we approve the minutes that have been presented. >> Second take it for a vote. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Anderson. >> Yes. >> Mr.
Mr. Helen. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Pora. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Fy. >> Yes. Mrs. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay, great. Um, so we have nothing more on the agenda, but I would like to kind of revisit black issue because um,
again, this was the first time that we ever did it and we don't really we didn't really have sort of a pro. We hadn't really agreed on the system and stuff that we're going to use to do it. Um, I compliment you on putting it together and thanks so much and it's great. Um, and so, you know, we talked
about what the role of the association was going to be with regard to the commission. I think we're all in agreement that the commission should kind of be doing that out um to make it a little bit more formal. Um, will the association be doing anything on their Facebook page for the applicants just showing that they, you know, maybe that
would be a good idea. >> Yeah, that's kind of that's the plan. That's something we've talked about as far as um pushing it out on social media and email and the Fair Haven Weekly. Uh I know this is our first one. So this is a good momentum piece and the picture and their
story. It'll be really important to share that. So then people that might not have no you know they have no idea this is happening or back that they can be you know led to our website and submit. And one of the other things that we talked about is what role the association would have with regard to
vetting the application and whether or not you know how much research would be done because this this Saraf application office and complete >> totally >> you know zero nothing left to question you know not that you put the screws to the applicants but obviously you need to
have some proof >> um of the house being you know century house um so I'll let you explain I know people you have you're a little uh >> don't have as many people as you need maybe to these things and what role you need to decide what role will this
mission play in that process versus the association >> you know this is something that me and Art talked about how how does the historic association hand it off to the HBC and what does that look like we get the submission online and we get it
physically mailed to us what I did this time was going to scan it sent to Sheila and then you guys get all of the information, but then who's factchecking? Who's re who's doing brief research or in-depth research? How do we verify the age of the home? At at this
point, we you know are brought up, do we have a committee on the board of the histo association that could maybe tackle that, >> Kristen? Potentially, maybe if it's not like a big big to-do and it's just a little bit, then maybe that's something we tackle. Uh at least that hard to verify
that you're a house still here. I feel like that's like a we can just >> No, but I think if you if you're like sending uh copies of old deeds and let's say the property changed hands like 20 times, you got to go and check the dates and all and make sure that you know to the degree that you know everybody wants
to do that type of you know verification but it may be a pain and some people are not as thorough thorough as this. So there is a time commitment and you guys are all volunteers. I mean we are too but you know again so >> yeah. So I guess in in your in your eyes, in our eyes, what does that
checklist look like that we need to be looking at? What is like, you know, these three things, check mark, you know, we mark them all off and they get approval. >> Yeah. I mean obviously the deed trail is the thing and you know if you have that
and it kind of matches up even you know >> it matches up >> the deed be sufficient like >> well just the deed the trench like a grtor grantee and here it was print presented like a grtor grantee index you don't need to see the old documents but the people supply the you know the age
and the volume and everything so clearly it existed and if it you know ties in and some of these houses are there be into the 1800s so you're well beyond. You can almost tell sometimes by the style of the house that it's clearly earlier than, you know, a 1926 house. >> Yeah.
>> Um but obviously you can't just go on that. So I think you look at the overall package and >> you know I guess maybe you could do a report generally if you want to just generally indicate what is contained and that it seems some it seems sufficient
and then we treat it as an application or people can't come in and they want just want to get educated as to what to do. they can come in as an informal and we can explain to them generally how to research it. I think there's a lot of tools online. You don't have to go to I don't think you have to go to uh all
records any longer to do that. But I kind of wanted to get the idea from the whole commission as to how you guys want to handle that. I think it kind of makes sense to do it sort of as a you know kind of a mini application and then it's approved and then formally granted. Sorry, go to the house because I know that when I go to newspaper because I
research this stuff all the time, the history group, you can type in an address on newspapers.com and immediately see who lived if there was anybody in that living in a in a home on that property that year. So I assume it's a rolling
year, right? At least so every year it's going to be next year 1927. >> But so but the house has to be the original house, correct? Obviously. So just because there's a deed for a house that year, that's the house.
>> Yeah. That's just the property that's being transferred. It doesn't say unless there's some more specific information about the structure. >> So that's the tricky thing. So, um, you'd have to show that the house that's has the it has the application in indeed
was the house that was standing in that spot at that time, which is why all the earth history was >> I was going to say if we can add um >> I I should have said I actually have all the deeds printed out back to the beginning for our house. I didn't submit
them with the application. and I have them with me. But thank you. The one >> the the first one was even handwritten one. Um but everything else was was typed. But when we did our research at Mammoth County Archives, there is plenty
of information available online but to a certain point. I think it was maybe 1969 and before that everything is on microfilm in person at the archives. So, it took me like half a day and someone
there on staff sat with me, helped me find, you know, got me started, let me print things, emailed me these newspaper articles because we don't have a subscription to newspapers.com, but that's where they all came from. >> Um, super easy. And of course, we're
interested in history and the architecture. So, I loved every second of it. But it's not difficult. It's time, >> right? Um, but the online stuff I did as much as I put online first >> and then it will go back 1969 across building, >> right? I try I think that that was
>> you know some of those old deeds that they say end upes that uh or sometimes they make reference to accessory structures. That's a way to kind of figure out but it could be something else. It could be like a barn or a shed or something. You never know. But one one thought is to ask the applicant to
submit the deeds. They're their principal if if they're doing the research, >> right? They're going to see them. So >> like like the vaugh house, that's one that clearly, you know, just basically you said 1903 or 1905 >> three. >> Yeah. So I mean you I don't know if you've ever thought about doing that's a
house that clearly is of a a location and the style is a house that clearly qualified. Yeah. 1926. >> Yeah. kind of joked with Telena and leaned over and said, "Why don't you write up the process that you went through? It's it's really not that hard.
We provide it to you guys." And >> that would be great. >> Happy to. >> I mean, thank you. >> That that might help you, you know, to do your due diligence to check know what, you know, which one sold water. One hope is someone went through this effort that they're not going to feed
you a line of of last yesterday's fish. >> Yeah, we know. But the um so if the minimal criteria is 100 years old by the there was a structure there more than 100 years ago. Is there anything beyond that? I mean
this community spends a lot of time looking at windows and they look like they should there's a big discussion but a house that was built 100 years old and it had a different extension it it really looks quite different than that. >> That's a good point. I mean, there's
really nothing that uh you know, how do we want to handle something like that? A house that's largely intact from its original state. >> You know, you're adding qualifications, but yeah, you could have a the original house. It could have ultraodern additions on it and you know, you're
giving it's a century house, but it certainly doesn't look like a century house. You just want to take it as a case by case basis because there's no real guideline or criteria. Yeah, >> maybe the association wants to, you know, we would take the, you know, maybe some hints from the association as to how they would want to handle it.
>> We can revisit it for sure. I know we've discussed this about a checklist that maybe used to exist that maybe had. >> Yeah. But it was very minimal. >> Okay. >> Because I've never I've never seen it, but I can keep taking a look. Yeah. But we'll we'll discuss it at our next
meeting. And I think some of the earlier applications that I saw like the people weren't able to piece the beads together because you know they were maybe like well into the 1800s and stuff just didn't exist or they could so they would do things like supply like nails or certain types of wood that was in the
house that was consistent with a particular era that would be you know they look at the overall package and see if you can convince whether or not it's a century house or not. I think there was a lot of that going on earlier on. So, >> so we want you want Detroit as a century
house and we would like to know if it's a two century house, but that's not required. >> It's a century. >> It's a 200-y old house. I'll have to get another plaque then. >> I'm just saying they don't need to go back, >> but it would be useful to know for
education, but historical purposes, >> you know, when that was really built. Well, that's why I kind of thought that, you know, wanted you to reject you folks are so interested in the house and love the history and we wanted to hear a little bit. It was a while since we heard from you and like I said, it's kind of interesting to read about that. So, I think you know people giving a
little light to the house. that kind of thing. It makes sense. Then the people are going to be applying for this kind of a, you know, they're they're into it and they I think they like the light just >> and is it expected at least that the sentry plaque will be placed at a
certain spot the house like is is it designed to be screwed in somewhere? >> It is. And they have Yeah, there's two holes and they have the screws in in the bag. >> Most of them are around the front door of the house. That's like the most prominent location. I think most of the house is like along Fair Road and everything.
>> Yeah, we're putting up a new light on by the door. I'm working on that now. And you know, I said we'll put this and we'll read the directions. We'll send a photograph. >> Oh, great. Thank you. >> Feeling pain. >> Um, yeah. I guess it's our suggestion
that you put it, you know, on the exterior of the home next to the front of the work, but Um and then you know we did have the O Sullivan application which was um that was 76 road and that will be an interesting one because that house drastically different originally than it
is now. Um, and I spoke with u Sullivan and I explained to her briefly how to go about doing it and that then you know maybe she'll come in on an informal if necessary but I didn't I didn't I gave her a little bit of false information because I didn't realize that I thought that the computerization of the deeds
would goes back much earlier. So, she's going to look at that, too. And uh guess you don't have any other applications that you received >> and I can work with Britney um as far as what she can dig up and after we have our meeting and kind of sort out what else she might need to provide us with.
Yeah, I can work with her on that. But no, that other I haven't I didn't check the PO box today, but that's all we got so far. >> Okay. >> But also, I haven't really we haven't put it out yet because we're, you know, just navigating this now >> um and testing this yet. So it hasn't
been publicly shared. >> Do you guys like that kind of system like having it you know kind of working conjunction with the association but we're the ultimate arbittors as to whether or not >> I think it's the perfect
liaison report. So when at least where that the association gives their leazison report on that's the standing agenda item there's this entry application to present. Yeah, I'll put a memorandum in the back too.
>> Yeah. >> Any other thoughts, comments, ideas from the audience? >> Zoom. I think uh without leaving the point, I think our community is hungry for this kind of recognition and having examples
and photographs and the stories behind it, a little blurb, whatever the association Facebook page does, I think it's going to be such a great thing for our community to begin seeing. Yeah. kind of touching on something that we were saying before is that this idea of
um whether or not a house that becomes a century plaque or has a century designation whether it then becomes part of the district. You know, you give the recognition to this house people preserved it. Yeah, you sell it the next year and somebody knocks it down. Uh
obviously there would be you know that it's outside of the uh the ordinance so we don't really have the ability to do that but it would seem to make sense that you know and it would also people that do that would realize that they would be subjected to the the jurisdiction and the commission be
careful what you ask for. >> Well I would suspect that people want to get that get the plaque wouldn't have an objection to that. I don't know I could be wrong. Just because it's 100 years old doesn't make it that significant of a historical structure. >> Well, if it's if it's a hundred years
old. So, it's our you know, it's still >> a lot of old homes are not necessarily >> very historically significant. Others are. >> So, you have to >> probably works both ways, right? They're probably homes in the historic district that just because they're there. Yeah,
>> they're historic. But >> are they really? And then there's a home like this that's not on the historic district. look past tremendous >> but that that's it. So that's they uh if there's some kind of a major modification that's made to a house that's old, clearly 100 years old and a historic house even though it's outside
the district, should it then come for us to at least work with any kind of modifications, changes, or even the possibility of demolition? Whereas if it's a house that's in structure, yeah, we we have to entertain it, but obviously if it's non-contributing, we don't you don't hold people to like
strict standards. It's an idea. I mean, obviously it's not something that we're we're going to be able to position to be able to decide. It would have to be probably by the act of the council. >> Could it be a simple art and obviously not to decide tonight that any century house
it just cannot be um taken down? >> No. Well, that would be outside of you know the jurisdiction. Nobody has that authority that once you get that designation you can't take it down. I think the idea would be that it it would be subjected to the jurisdiction of the preservation commission. So if there was
a demolition uh permit that was requested, they would have to come for us and treat it in the ordinary course like they would like an assets of the district. >> So hopefully we don't have to decide those things. >> That becomes a slippery slope.
>> Yeah, it does. >> Yeah, because they're dying all over the town. >> Yeah. >> Um any other thoughts, comments? No. No. topic and close if we end up ready. >> We didn't do the historic association report. >> Oh, then let's do it. >> Sorry. >> No, my apologies.
>> Um, okay. So, I have a few updates for you guys. We did the the Mammoth County um weekend in Old Mammoth scavenger hunt on May 3rd and 4th. And we had a QR code and a few questions about Hall. It was
kind of geared towards kids, you know, can you find how old the building is? And we got a few people to come visit. And so hopefully next year it'll be we can have the doors wide open. It'll be beautiful and welcoming and have some more activate a little bit more inside. >> And Alisa, am I correct that it that was
the the um kickoff, but it's still going on. >> It goes to July 4th. Yeah, that was the kickoff. >> Yeah. Um >> it's not the end. People can still go visit answer the questions. >> Yeah, it's it lives on the uh Mon County website and our website as well. So,
yeah, people can go visit and answer those questions until July 4th. >> You did you ask the burrow to uh do an announcement? Um, >> no, we can. >> Yeah, that's Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Get some more traction. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that'd be great. That's a good
idea. Um, yeah, because that's still up and running. Uh, next up we we just had the Chris Brener assemblies at Sickles and Nord the past two weeks which was so so fantastic. He was so happy and the
kids were engaged. >> Oh my god. It was it was he had a full PowerPoint and there was pictures of Marter Park and he was asking do you know where this is and it's a you know then and now and it was do you know where this it was loopho and they're all you know they're all yelling and it was so cute. They all loved it and he kind
of tweaked it uh depending on we did kindergarten first, second and third and then four and six and seven and eight and then in June it all it you know was actually broken up by what they're actually studying in social studies right now and the fifth graders are
learning specifically about the economy. So, we're going to take them down to a field trip up to the dock, the whole fifth grade. And Chris is going to do his presentation down there and do the oyster trade and the Albertina and all everything weather. >> Make some oysters. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we can
incorporate that. But it was great. It was so excited and uh you know I we had people coming up to us saying I worked here for x amount of years and we've never had a history lecture in the school ever. So it felt really good. Yeah, it was really really good and
yeah, hopefully we can just make it a continual thing every spring or every fall and he was, you know, happy to do it. Uh besides the assemblies, we also in the schools just wrapped up our submissions
for the 200 video essay and poster contest and we got 31 submissions which uh from from students from both schools and we are now in the process of braiding and which we hope to wrap up by
June 9th and then everyone will be awarded a certificate for participating uh during the journey. entered June board event meeting and then the winners will be displayed at the parade at Memorial Park all the winning essay and poster submissions. So that'll be cute
and I can't wait to see kind of like what they came up with. Uh and then century house program check the bear haven garden party this year. Uh save the date for Saturday September
26th. Um, and to be hosted at 263 Bear Haven Road and I'll be celebrating uh 120 years of McCarter Pond at my house. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So yeah, I sense uh it'll be it's I you know I've gone back and forth with Chris Brener about this about when the pond was originally dug and it's loosely 190 he said it
began in 1905. So I was like oh this is great do 120 years in McCarter Pond and celebrate that and the history about another you know water property in town. Uh and that's all I have for right now. Another little question I kind of forgot
about, but uh has the association still done that essay contest, that historic essay contest that I don't think they give scholarship money to do. >> She did. Yeah, we haven't brought that back up yet. We're
>> That is on the to-do list. That's on the horizon, I guess. Uh we're trying to get through this 250 nifty stuff, buying all stuff. Yeah. But it is it's on my it's on my radar. >> Yeah. And you're talking about the essay. Do I remember that? And there was a there were a good amount of applicants. I mean, she would go to like
for the graduation at RF. >> Do you remember how much the scholarship was? >> I want to say it was like 500 bucks or something, but it was G. I think there were two. I mean, maybe have to up that. >> Yeah, it's on my radar. >> Yeah, that's all I have.
>> Would it be the third motion to close then? >> Sophie. Thank her much everybody.