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Good to go. >> Yep. >> Okay. This is the regular meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission. Adequate notice of this meeting has been given pursuant to the provisions to the Open Public Meetings Act at the time of the board reorganization in January of this year. The board adopted a regular

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meeting schedule for the year. Notice that the schedule was sent and was published in the Asbury Park Press on January 30 26 and in the Two River Times on February 12th, 2026. That notice was also posted on the bulletin board in Burough Hall and has remained continuously posted there as required by

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the statute. A copy of the notice is and has been available to the public and is on file in the office of the burough clerk. A copy of the notice has been sent to members of the public as have requested such information in accordance with the statute. Adequate notice having having been given, the board secretary

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is directed to include this statement in the minutes of the meeting. Um is it necessary for the new procedures you think to be read into the record? She shila >> I don't think so. >> Okay. Basically that is that uh just um briefly on June 30th there was a change

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in the law just uh allowing the notice requirements for uh the open public's meetings act uh to be published you know on burough websites as opposed to newspapers and I'll read I read it today or indicated today that this will be the

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last time I will discuss it. So the first um um call to order open public meeting statement would we have a roll call? >> Yes. Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Anderson. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schlutter. >> Mr. Heler. >> Yes.

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>> Mrs. Priscilla. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Casey. >> Mr. Boa. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Forte. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Smith. >> Okay. Okay. So, the first application that we have that's on is really a carryover from the last month uh which was Dennis and and Angelilla. Uh you can

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come on up and um basically just for the record what we did last time was uh hear and approve a addition to the rear of the house located at Fair Haven Road

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specifically 94 Fair Haven Road. Uh along with that portion of the application was also a request to uh replace in kind a 6-foot stockade not stockade um cedar fence along the

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northern edge of the property with bordered um uh the park the public park that uh that is adjacent to your property. >> Uh there we approved it in principle. However, there was a concern that maybe

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the burrow may have some interest in dictating or supplementing the proposed fence design uh which in fact we did send out to some people in the burrow that uh burough didn't seem to take any type of position or concern over it. um

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to the extent that it was a lifetime replacement. And sort of while that was going on, you supplied a image from Carl's fencing which depicted the exact type fence that you were seeking to replace the existing fence with

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>> and that wasn't was not a like kind replacement. So it's much >> it's very similar but unfortunately especially since it's in a conspicuous place and the memorandum of action was specific to a light kind replacement uh

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we had to uh bring you back for the purpose of addressing this and taking another vote on this new fence design which is similar but not the same. Um and as such you have come agreed to come back and now we're going to address the

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same application that we previously approved but now with the addendum of the Carl fencing indication and the document that has that indicates the specifications of the new fence. Uh did I hit it correctly? >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Anything you'd like to add to that procedural history or >> No. No. anything you want to add to the fence indication? >> We've never heard from anyone other than before this body any uh comments or feedback about the fence. So, we're

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hoping if you are in agreement that we can get moving on replacing the fence. >> So, you know, my thought when I looked at this was that it's actually a nicer fence that's there even though the one that's kept there is kind of weathered. This is a probably a more expensive and probably visually more desirable fence,

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but that's not what we're all about and that's not what we can make decisions on. So, I don't know what anybody else has with regard to thoughts on this uh fence design. Uh but it's clearly a stockade fence, you know, similar enough to the old one. is uh certainly a

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traditional design made out of cedar um and not something that uh is um I think in any way changed the topography or the purpose of the sign or in any way affects the historic character um to the extent that that even exists uh

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currently with that fence there. So I don't know if anybody has any comments on the fence. >> I I agree. I think it it's going to look a little more more uniform and more priv, you know, more private. >> Actually, I feel like it's more in keeping with the style anyway, the colonial style with the square fence

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posts and the cap tops. >> Well, sorry. Did you Sorry. Why did you switch to this? Does it seem like >> they don't make the style of fence that we have anymore? >> Okay. >> Um, this was a tongue and groove option that is has a profile that's the same on

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both sides of the fence. Uh, we thought it was attractive. >> What color? >> There weren't a ton of choices. So, >> what color is it? >> It is a natural uh cedar. >> That's what it looked like on that picture here. It's >> I believe it's a white cedar.

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>> Okay. It is. >> Yeah. It's not a red cedar. It's a white seeded fence. It will weather over time to that silvery gray that their current fence hall. >> We hope it ages well. >> So again, the image that we have does

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show it to be sort of yellowish greenish maybe mustard color, but it's going to be a natural seed. >> Yeah, it's not I hope it's not going to be greenish. No, that is uh >> Yeah, that's a weird No, that's just color copy space.

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>> It actually says highlighted in yellow, right? >> No, that's on the on the >> yellow highlighting is fence line on the survey just showing you where the fence is being replaced. >> If you look at the right side of this picture, you can see a peak to think of

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what that color is supposed to be. Th this is not a true replication of the >> No, it's more the fence is not um >> it's not going to be yellow. >> No, it's going to be a natural white

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cedar. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> I mean, you may might have should have brought the actual shirt. >> Not yellow. >> The posts and the style, the sort of angular style is definitely It's more

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similar >> fencing along Fair Haven Road and some of the other accents along with some of those houses. So, um I'm going to comments from the audience >> regarding the fence. Anybody uh >> zooming in have any thoughts or comments with regard to this fence portion of this application?

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>> No. >> Okay. I'll make a motion then which is that we approve this final element of the Zilla application uh and specifically the proposed replacement of the natural cedar 6-foot tongue and grew privacy fence as depicted in the March

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26 26 Carl's fencing outlet uh estimate um submitted by the applicant. >> I second the motion. >> Uh Mr. Pa >> yes. >> Mr. Anderson, >> yes. >> Mr. Helen, >> yes. Ma, >> yes.

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>> Mr. Goff, >> yes. >> And Mrs. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thanks so much. We'll have you come back next week. >> My only question is, can we proceed or do we need to do anything with the town to >> I mean, schedule it.

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>> Yeah. So, you technically have an approval, but you don't have a memorandum of action. I um we'll try to get to that tomorrow. >> Oh, okay. So, I I need to show somebody that >> Yeah. So, you're technically acting at your own peril, but we've already approved it and it's not like anything's gonna happen.

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>> I think I'll just wait. >> Do I need to do anything perilous? >> Okay. Okay. Then, uh, but again, I ask, do I need to schedule with the town? >> So, I will email you the memorandum of action once it's available, and then you

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could submit that with your zoning permit application >> because you have to get a fence >> to the zoning office. We don't need a zoning permit. >> Well, wait. We already did. We already submitted the fence with our zoning. >> Did they they probably stay >> They said nothing about the fence in their in their response to the

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>> They probably they may have uh just not responded because they probably >> because they knew here, >> right? We have to submit another we have to do another application. >> You know what? Why don't uh you and I speak tomorrow? I'll check with the office and I'll see what he has if

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anything and then if he need to do it. It's a submitted offense application. They probably didn't take action because they were waiting for us to render our memorandum. Now that we're going to do that and it's going to be provided to them, they will likely issue you that permit. >> Okay. >> If they had any other problem, they

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would have notified you that you needed to correct this or change this. That's probably our >> Yeah. My impression was that they were they were their decision was pending your decision. >> Yeah. So, I think that that's going to just flow once we met. >> All right. Great. Thank you very much. >> Thank you.

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Um, the next matter is let's talk tiles. But hold on one second because we have another applicant even though it's the third one, but I see that he has professionals here. Do we have any time issues? If we leap frog him. Okay. So, um, let's talk tiles, which is 825 River

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Road. I'm sorry, uh, uh, Lindsay Loen on behalf of James and Jacqueline Horton. So, we have the applicant here and we have the experts. Why don't you come on up? We passed 43 Gillespie Avenue probably within 250T

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myuse myself is going to take over. Okay. See, >> not the hot seat, just the one at church. It all flows through you. >> Can you describe the scope of of work that you're proposing?

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>> Okay. We our house was built in 1903. As best I can tell, the six of the seven windows we want to replace are original windows. They're a wood frame. Most of the wooden frames have rotted. The insulation around them is to the best of my ability to tell not. >> I've gone to Renewal by Anderson to get

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like replacements. They will be like in appearance, but modern material. So, it won't be wood. It'll be what is it? Aztec. >> Now, we make it up composite similar to TX decking. We call it PI Fibrex. It's a proprietary material. Problem with wood is you can't get old growth wood anymore. >> Which series is this?

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>> So, this is the uh claim series. It's actually it's um exclusive to Renewal by Anderson. Home. We make cheaper windows for Home Depot called the the 100, 200, and 400 series. Um whenever you buy it from Renewal by Anderson, which is the window replacement arm of Anderson, we make everything out of what we call

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Fibrex. It's basically wood with polymer added. Um it has the closest aesthetic to wood. Um, nobody makes a wood window anymore because old growth wood is super expensive. Um, everything's hyperr now and it's super rust. >> I mean, I'm an architect. Okay. Still plenty of wood windows out there.

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>> Very expensive. >> We specify them all the time. They're generally aluminum clad which is something that has >> come. But yeah, there's plenty wood still being made. >> I brought a window if you like to see it. >> Yeah. No, I think that would be

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important for >> the one aesthetic choice that my wife made was they have two versions. They basically smooth wood and then a textured surface. We've chosen the textured surface. >> Yeah. So, we make a So, it's basically made out of this composite material. >> Sure.

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>> And it's really the exterior that >> Yeah. So, this is the interior. So, I've we only everyone's making black windows now. It's like the new color on houses will be white, >> but we are replacing white for one. >> Yeah. So the big problem with you know everything made in America not made of plastic. Um so I'll show you we'll see

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comparison. So when you look at you know so basically it's cheaper run-of-the-mill noame plastic recycled you know Chinese window has to be bleached white. It's glued on the outside and has absolutely no reminiscence of old world wood. Um

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our windows are at least all tongue and groove. Um similar to how the Amish make their furniture. There's no glue. Everything's mold together. Um, so it has more >> is the sticking uh on the outside or is it in between the glass? >> The grills are in between the glass. So we we went for in between the grass. We

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have the ability to put them on the glass. It's a more expensive option. Um, >> that would be something that we generally we we uh you know promote as the board. Okay. >> Is having the grills on the outside. >> Absolutely. So we could do them on the outside of the glass. It'll be similar

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in material and design. Um, but again, >> well, I right now the grill is on the outside of the glass but inside the storm window. So in winter that grill is in the middle. >> Okay. Um, so yeah, everything's uh, you know, we Sherman Williams paint. This is soft white on the inside. This color on

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the outside as well. Everything's powder coated, so all the paint's baked into the material. Uh, we give a 20-year warranty that will never fade. It'll never, you know, bleach. It'll never get dirty. It's non-porous. Doesn't rot. Doesn't contract or expand. We make the same window for Hawaii to Alaska. Uh is for every climate in America. Um so, you

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know, we've been approved by numeral uh numerous historic societies in New York. We do a lot of the Bronx in New York. Um this is my first time at Fair Haven, but uh we've had a lot of success with replicating the historic look of these homes. >> So, do do you represent the whole uh line of Anderson?

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>> We do not. And so, the Anderson 400 series, the 200 series is a wood window wrapped in plastic. The one I was um the E series was the one that I was >> I'm not I'm not even familiar with the E series. No, we make an A series. >> Yeah, the E series is uh Anderson

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purchased Eagle >> 20 years ago made and it's an aluminum cloud window. >> Okay. So, >> but that's not something that you have. >> No. So, the reason why we don't sell aluminum cloud is that water typically gets behind the aluminum because you can't napulate adhere aluminum to wood

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and it rots out that wood framing behind the aluminum. So, normal Anderson corporate, our proprietary parent, they uh we do they do a 10-year warranty. I'm so sorry. Yeah, they do a 10-year warranty. We offer 20 through renewal. Um it's all direct from Anderson, but it's the longest warranty for anyone to

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make. And we didn't have any success with vinyl or aluminum lasting 20 years, which is why we chose our composite material. Um, are there any do you have some more description? >> Uh, the the rest of the description is we're looking to replace the four street

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facing windows which were not replaced in the 2010 renovation of the house and the two closest to the front on the driveway side. So, the six most visible windows on the house are the ones we're replacing. They were every other window in the house was replaced in 2010 when

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the previous owner put the renovation on the back of the house. >> That is the wind. That's the windows in this window. >> Yes, those four windows, >> they're the existing windows. >> Those are the existing windows. And then down this side of the house on the driveway, the first window on each floor is the original six.

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>> Right >> now, the ones down the rest of the side of the house have been replaced by previous in 2010 renovation. They appear the same, but they're not. They're composite windows just like we're trying to put in the front of the house now for cutting the uh heating build.

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We do full frame replacement. So windows get taken out. We reframe and we rele the opening rein the walls. And then we replace the the exterior trim around with we use exact. >> Yeah. Cuz one of these windows when we bought the house in 2018, I had to basically remove the bottom board on the outside

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of the house because it had rotted out completely. Replace it and paint it so that it looked the same. >> Will the sash be reduced in size or will stay the same? >> This it's going to be the same size window. Um, but there's actually the way the windows were built and this is way above my pay grade, but there's a hollow

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composite. I guess there's a >> there's a trough at the bottom of the window. >> Yeah. And I think it has to use with the old way pockets. Like you said, that rope with a big with the big ball on the end. Um, so we're going to rip that out and hollow it. We're going to give him a little bit bigger window. It's going to fit in the pocket a little tighter so it doesn't have as much drafts. But aesthetically, we're mirroring the

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window like for like as best we can with a modern, you know, the window that's 100% 100 years newer. >> So two over two. >> Two over two. Correct. Yeah. Exact same real pattern. We'll do it on the glass if that's what's mandated by this uh by this board. That's not a problem. >> Are there any other

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>> I've not done a window budget stuff. So the quadrants of the window of the replacement window are they exactly the same? >> They're going to be exact. It's going to be across like this right across the middle. Um I mean we're talking a couple inches little larger window but aesthetically from the curb there'll be

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no change in curb appeal. Um, but again, >> all all street facing windows will then match, >> right? >> Because they'll all be replaced at once. >> We were going to put the grills between the glass to for the owner's argument that is behind a storm window. It saves him money. >> It's also ease of cleaning. You can clean the inside and outside without

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have to go around the the drill. >> But I think that's something I mean from my experience on the board um that we we generally around on the between the glass and and want that that reveal even though you have the storms on during the winter. I understand that. But >> well, the new window is not going to

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have storm windows. The present window has a storm window on the outside. >> Yeah. >> And the grill's inside that storm window. >> Understood. >> And and the reason we we came to this, the reason my wife approved the inside was she didn't even realize that that grill was in between the glass when she looked at it until an hour into our

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indoor our going through this. So from the street, I don't think you can tell the difference. >> These will be out of plane. Uh that is it's they're going to act like a double hung. Uh a storm is uniform over the whole. So that would it has a different appearance from the street.

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>> Just can you tell this is between the glass? You can. Okay. >> Yeah. No, that right right away. >> Okay. Um yeah, >> I saw that there was a storm that that came off. Uh >> no, that was just the screen. >> That's just the no storm storm windows were made because windows were single pane. You needed a second window to

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protect you from the elements. Everything's double insulated, all that stuff here. So, this a single window with a screen. >> Yeah. So, there won't be a storm window on the new design as we're proposing for the blue >> and then this in the photograph is is there a storm window or there? >> Yes. >> And the fans are behind it.

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>> And the the movable part of the glass is behind the storm window. So, that storm window is down. That storm window is down. These are not down. on this picture that there is a storm like on on this picture. The upper floor has both storm windows pulled down because those windows leak the worst in

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the winter. The the lower windows don't leak uh heat as bad and so I generally don't pull the storms down so we get better light from under the uh porch. There any other thoughts from the board? I'm assuming the motion will be as is

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ensuring that the grids are up on the outside. >> Well, that would be my recommendation. I haven't been on this for over 25 years. >> I will say that as a non-wind expert and when um for me when I see the paint the dividers inside that's usually my first

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clue that it's a lack of better word like a fake >> modern ones. You can tell you can tell and so it enhances your value. I think >> seeing the when I say value the >> aesthetic value >> understand. No

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>> and I understand the um the durability and >> well the the material that the the paint is made out of is the same material as the window. It's the same stuff they make the boardwalks now out of. That is the the recycled plastic that will outlive all of us and will outlive the surrounding house.

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>> Yeah. It's wood. I I think that that would personally I think that would be okay particularly with the AAC trim. >> Um we we usually advocate painting the the AAC. So at that point it's really tough to tell that it is a at all but I

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I don't think we can. >> Yeah. I mean he's a I mean again this this has been in my bag for three years but you know it's basically a woodlike material. He can paint it but it maintains like the the old charm of these historic homes. It's not like a piece of plastic or Yeah. >> Yeah. I know. I think that the board is

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uh long ago is supported that the solid PVC, not the hollow. >> Yeah. >> But the solid which that is and that uh >> uh I think it's really made a meaningful leap forward in in

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replacing in kind or in character something that's not going to be able to you know be maintainable over time. >> Right. but maintains the the historical look of the neighborhood. >> It does. It does. And

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a paint and paint lasts a long time on it, >> right? >> I'm not I don't think that would be something I would, you know, make >> Well, I won't be the one deciding that. If if it doesn't look good enough, my wife will tell me to paint it and that will be where we go. I'm function, she's

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aesthetic. My personal thought is that I think that this this title window fiber window would would would work. I just really would think that having the uh the grill on the outside would look consistent

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with the neighborhood and what we are trying to advocate here as a board. >> Okay. Do you guys want a copy of the brochure for the records or whatever just in case we do this again? you guys on my window. There's a lot of information about these buildings. Same

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claims here. >> Yeah, because I wasn't sure why in 2010 they wouldn't have replaced every window. They left these front six original and they leak heat badly. >> I I believe my brother and sister-in-law renovated

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this, but it was before 2010. It was probably in the '90s. >> Yeah, there may have been another renovation. And the one that I got when I bought the house included the 2010 renovation with the board's approvals and the fact that we needed uh deviations for amount of land covered

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and a couple other deviations for the way the property looked because they had to the original was to keep a much longer back porch, but it covered too much of the the lot. >> Gotcha. >> And so it went through two modifications before it was approved. But these windows were never the windows none of the windows ever showed up in that

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documentation. So, I wasn't even certain if we had to come before here to replace the front six. >> Oh, great. Is there anybody from the audience that would like to comment on this application? >> Great. Uh, well, is that something that

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you will be willing to do is put the the sticky on there on the outside? >> What we'll do is uh I'll revise the paperwork, sending you a copy. Um, you're someone here is working with our our admin in my office for approval. Um, we'll res, yeah, we'll resend you the new specs with the girls on the outside confirming that and then as soon as you

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reply with approval, we can move forward and get the job done. >> And I would like to make a motion to approve this unless there's any further discussion. >> Second. >> Okay. I I move that we uh approve the application u with the fibbrric product

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here from Anderson with the stipulation that the the sticking be mounted to the outside of the glass on the exterior windows. >> Mr. Anderson, >> yes. >> Mr. Helen, >> yes. >> Mrs. Fura,

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>> yes. >> Mr. Casey, >> yes. Mr. Ga, >> yes. >> And Mrs. Bin, >> yes. Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. Now third application is 825 51

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the proposals for a new sign from the front of the structure. Introduce yourself and tell us how we can help you out. >> I'm Jennifer Prowell. Um I am Fair Haven resident and also now a small business owner in Fair Haven. Um I I'm a co-owner

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of Let's Talk Files. We are a Maang lessons and events uh and retail shop. Um we currently occupy the um building of 825 River Road. We share it with by George Baby. Uh that's because Kathy

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Swan, the owner um of the By George Baby, not she's our guess our sub landlord. She subleasases a part of the um back of the building to us. And um we agreed that we would share the signs

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with her. And this is I guess she used to share this space with uh Lotus Way. And um at the time that they shared the space sort of equally they one person had the top, one person had the bottom and then when Lotus Way um left she just

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took over both portions of the sign. So, um, we've agreed that we will take over the bottom portion of the sign and but we will fit it exactly as is, but with our logo >> and it's, um, is it a solid face or is it in any way beveled or anything?

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>> Solid. >> Solid just like what's there now. >> It's even by the same coffin. >> Is the kitchen um >> has a frame around it and there's no frame around the top. It is that is there a frame around the bottom around your sign?

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>> I think there is >> on the top. >> It's it's it's all one piece. Um and we because she currently Do you have the picture of like currently with her ducks? >> Yes. >> Um >> so there's nothing we're not changing anything about the Thank you.

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>> I think she might the two signs are slightly different. >> There is though. There you can see the border is all of it. It looks like the border is on the on the bottom on yours and then it goes side to side up above it, >> which you're fine. I mean,

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>> yeah, I'm not It's funny you say that. I see that what you're saying, although I feel like when I looked at it, it was >> looks exactly the same. Yes. So, the way it's depicted here, it's just this sort of >> It looks a little thicker. >> Um, I mean, maybe it has something to do with tying it in. It looks like there's almost like a fence post on top like the

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caps on the on top. figure or I mean it is there's no frame around the top. >> Yeah, I mean it's a floating it's a floating on the top and you have a beveled frame around the bottom may have nothing to do with tying it into these caps there. So, but nevertheless um I

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think it looks better with print on the bottom. >> I agree. I would then be suggesting I mean I don't know if it's wrong I don't know what the rest of the signs look like around the system and the entire signs where they had the pole of businesses but if that frame

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if they extended the frame around the top it would look even more elegant. >> Yeah. >> She likes the ducks. >> Yeah. I mean I guess the Oh, right. Right. That's the ducks on the top too. >> Yeah. Oh, I don't know if I missed that.

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I missed that. >> That's her logo. The by George. >> She would have to end she would have to have the duck butts. >> So, she's being forced to do away with the bottom ducks now. Forced to do with top ducks.

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>> Yeah, she chose the top deck. >> Um, no. I I again, that portion of the sign is not even before us. It's really the bottom. I guess the entire sign, but the application really deals with the bottom side. Um, >> and quite honestly, I mean, it's not It actually is a cool metaphor for a major

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child. Thank you. >> You got the thick. >> Thank you. Yeah. >> Yeah. Manson's big. >> We love it. >> We're into it. >> Because they do it at threads, too, don't they? >> They do. >> Yeah. I was walking by there at night or people like fairly late at night playing

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there. >> Really? Okay. >> I didn't know they were there late at night. >> More customers. Uh any thoughts or comments from the audience or from the audience on Zoom? >> Yeah.

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>> I have a question. >> Sure. >> Is there a meaning behind I mean the actual >> Yeah, there there actually is. Yeah. The um so in Maang, you know, you play with tiles obviously and there is a there's um the number one bamboo tile is always

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a bird and that's significance because the name Maang translates to sparrow in Chinese. Um, so that bird, however, is actually a picture that my business partner took of a bird in Africa on her 25th wedding university trip. And so we

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had someone design take the actual picture of the bird and design a tile to signify the bird bam. And then the second one is a flower because that's another um type of tile in Maang. Um it's a neutral tile the flowers and that is a lotus flower which I chose um

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because of the significance of of community and um openness and friendliness. >> Just one other question. So I see on the third page of u the illustrations that you provided it show the computer screen showing the dimensions and sign uh and

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on the bottom it just says also the shops at 825 but on the existing sign it indicates parking in the rear. So >> yeah that's old. So this was when it used to be uh it was Lotus Way and then so this was

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not all like they were nice enough just to show me a picture so we could get the actual dimensions to our sign people. Um and this used to say and now before we got there it was changed to parking and rear. >> Okay. So remuner

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>> and that actually just you know that's not fixed because we actually looked at it um because our parking is kind of small and um Kathy was thinking she might remove that. Um but that's her sign but it and it's literally it like hangs. You can just take it right off. It's not fixed.

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>> Um I'll make a motion that we signed as presented by the police. I'll second that motion. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes.

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>> Mrs. Mr. >> Yes. >> Mrs. >> Okay, they win. >> Come play mash with us. >> Four men. So, okay. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. Good luck.

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>> So, under old business, we have bicesentennial hall updates. So, um >> hi >> council liaison all of the updates of the >> earthquake reaction to the color choice.

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>> So, it has it hasn't rippled too much. I think we're going to things are looking good about getting that approval, but it hasn't been put on um the agenda yet. I am meeting tomorrow with Laura um Laura

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Berman and we're going to go over the project. So hopefully uh by next HPC meeting, we'll have the specs for you to look at so we can keep this moving. >> Okay. And then >> they so uh has it not come up or they do

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the uh council does have it. Has there been any comment at all or >> I spoke to Tracy today and she said that there doesn't seem to be anyone on council that's going to be fighting this. So um yeah. So hopefully this will go through once it gets put on.

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>> You had any response from Goldstein or from Lauren? >> That's who I'm speaking with tomorrow at 1 to go over um the whole project. Um, so I'll probably be hearing her input on it, but I don't believe that really she

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has any say in terms of the color is up to us. >> Yeah, I mean ultimately now the decision is probably the council. Um but uh I think I don't I don't recall we did it in the obviously if there was some additional documentation or something we

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discussed this during the last meeting or if there was some type of a counter proposal or something in re response to that that she would present you know then obviously we'd have to we'd have to consider it and we weigh all the evidence and then make an amended determination if there was something that that came about. I suspect that

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that's not going to happen but who knows. >> Yeah. And uh so hopefully we'll get this moving by next month. Um and then is there any other questions I know? >> No, I mean if there's unless there's anything else that's uh next

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>> is there any movement of the all the so it's not going to be ready by July 4th? Obviously I don't know. >> Is is there funding for the building to be painted and repaired? >> So the yes money set aside from the borrow. coming from

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>> start the burrow has the money set aside to painted repair windows. >> So do they just need this approval at this maybe? >> She needs to actually bring you the specs to approve it and then we can move forward from there for the council to approve it.

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>> Okay. Um this Okay. For just for the exterior of some of the I mean they're more repair things that really I don't even >> Yeah. like um the windows and like the because I know there's some stained glasses at least you may be able to speak more. >> Yeah, it seems like the from what I

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understand the punch list once that's >> good to go. I mean then it's right here or for council. >> And one of the issues at least was the on the punch list is the proposed covering of the stained glass to protect

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it. >> And there was some concern that even though it's a thing that's what do stain glass to make sure that nothing dimes >> the beauty of that stained glass. I think she's I mean she been made aware

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of that our feelings around that. Maybe that's something you can talk to her again about tomorrow. >> There's a statement in there was a statement in the their proposal which says there's a b a bullet list of what they're going to do and one of the things was protective covering on the

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stained glass. And when we saw that we did we didn't know what that meant. Amen. And anything that diminishes the beauty of that stained glass. And we did some googling and we learned that in fact it's a thing that that when they renovate churches, they will do it. But

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it has to be done right. Has to be the right materials. Can't be lolled and all that stuff. >> But again, what what type of covering is it? >> Like dorm windows type like >> on the exterior or interior? >> On the exterior to protect the stained glass. >> Have you seen it?

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>> No, I've just read about it. Yeah, I haven't. I don't have we've done it on the inside a professional rehab and we'll do do it on like piano hinges and open up because a lot of times it um they're not all that thermally efficient. So you you

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have to be able to get the water vapor sometimes. But it's it's a cool look. I >> But is the idea to protect the glass and the frame from the from the elements or is it to make it more energy efficient or >> more the ladder? >> Yeah. I thought it was the I had heard there was one comment made about that

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one BB gun hole that's in one of the glasses and there was concern by Chris York I believe that he didn't want anything like that happening in the future. So I thought it was a protection against >> Well that's a different reason to do it to protect the glass. Yes. Now it's going to look like a storm and you know

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probably at best. >> I thought it was to protect the glass also. >> Yeah. I'm sure >> as far as energy efficient >> because you have to wait till you see it in 1882. Yeah. But is that something that you can discuss there tomorrow? >> Yeah. So, would you prefer it to be on

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the inside or that? >> Well, that's a darn good question because that's uh >> I mean, I would think that, you know, you don't want anything to detract from that's like such a major element of that building. Um, you know, obviously you don't want to be, you know, foolish about it if it's going to start to rot

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and they're going to deteriorate and you're, you know, it's counterproductive. But, you know, they haven't been covered. they've been there for a long time and they're going to be rehabbed and I think that it's not something you have to worry about. But I would I would think that the temperature of the commission would be that you know

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if it's noticeable that that's not something that's necessarily desirable on the outside affects the the visual. >> Right. I would request that you ask for because when I look when I did my own research I literally saw some pe the quote people are worried that that takes

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away from the stained glass but there are it's just a historic preservation technique it's not just you know Home Depot come in and put it start there's a technique to do it so the stained glass uh brass I don't know what the right word is it maintains >> so you want as much detail as possible

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on that with visuals too >> 100% you know that >> that it does look like a storm And you know they they put on storms and you know for the same reason you know they they they are not the most thermally efficient things that you have water mix

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your way through. So I'm sure there's many churches that have them on the outside. And that you know and that's part of the whole church ceremony too is more when you're in that inside than the outside. But but to your point and I I can see where you is that our our board's generally more concerned with

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the the what you see from the street. But uh >> well yes and no. I mean we do have jurisdiction for the whole building but >> but I would think that uh if if that was a huge concern the energy efficiency uh to put it on the inside would be better

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than the outside kind of thinking twice about that because it's such a strong visual from the inside maybe even more so than the inside. >> Yeah. We'd have to really >> And then you said something that you know maintenance of that building because of any built borrowing is a key

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issue. If this is something that it's going to I don't want to be in a position where like oh it's collecting moisture again it's clouded. It doesn't has to be cleaned. I mean what what would the maintenance of that be? >> Okay. >> So um the other piece those windows some

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of the frames I'm assuming some of the frames are to be completely rebuilt. Uh maybe some of them aren't. I don't know how that's going to be done because when you look at it, the top window it looks like it's about to fall out, though it isn't. So, I think it's important

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that we understand how those frames the windows are actually going to be mounted in frame. >> Somebody could patch it up with some plaster or something like that. Yeah. >> Well, there's certainly people out there that will re reset the glass in new

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sash, but we're doing it on a residence right now. >> Okay. >> What are some of the other things some of the other elements that uh >> So, uh the ceiling they're talking about laugh ceilings. Have you heard of that? >> Ceiling.

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>> Yeah. Right. >> Internally across. Yeah. Laugh across the ceiling and it will be a buffer. Yeah, it instead of um we've talked about the tiles and the old tiles maybe replicating them. It seems like originally the lack was was the original

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what was there originally. So the tiles I don't think there's any top of that or replacing those. I think they're leaning towards the L. >> Yeah, at this point they're leaning towards the L and it will also create a buffer for the noise which has become an issue. >> Noise is tough.

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There is um we we didn't put it in our rehision. I don't think it had anything to do with it. But the fireplace, if you could just ask her about that. It's certainly separated. >> It's being removed. >> Oh, it should be taken away. >> Yeah. I guess it's not original. They don't know there, but yeah, they're

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they're going to remove it. >> I mean, it shouldn't be. I don't even know if they were prior, but it's in there. They're not nowhere. But yes, >> so it sounds like we're kind of talking about >> it sound like the process be the same as any process that when there there's

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going to be a plan with the details and the materials and everything and that'll come before us and we're going to look at everything from top to bottom. So I think we're going to have anybody they could send anybody to >> talk to us about it to go over it. >> Oh, she might be I mean she would probably have to present

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>> the findings, >> but I will get confirmation on that. >> I'm not even talking about the findings. I mean like the actual work plan that >> I would imagine because I know I I cannot speak to that. So >> yeah, I think Miss Bar should be here.

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She can come whenever that is on our agenda. So, but it is moving forward. >> Anything else uh from the association that you guys how you guys had the how did it go over the weekend with the art

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show and all? >> Oh, it was Yeah, it was really really well attended um both Friday night and Saturday. People just love seeing the building. It was still we still hear like, "Oh, I've never been in here. I've never seen, you know, people are so happy to just be

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standing there looking the art just especially around the stained glass windows. It's just beautiful. >> So, it's good. Yeah. Another success. Um Oh, yeah. Did you have >> Oh, we have an artist.

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>> We have a display too. >> I tried to find you to get your picture with your artwork, but you weren't there all the times I went there. So, >> no. through in half an hour. >> Susan O'Brien is a picture of her.

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>> Anything else on by Centennial Hall that next month will probably be a big month. >> Yes, next month will be hopefully. >> Okay. >> Thank you so much. >> Are we shooting for our meeting next month? Maybe you do this. So, next month is

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>> May 28th that meeting hopefully. Um, but yeah, the goal, but >> I'm speaking with her tomorrow. I wish I was speaking with I wish I had more information on the exact, but >> I'm only asking because I first started asking questions in August of 2023.

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At the time, it was to be finished in the first quarter 2024. It was going to be painted and finished. too. >> Maybe we can make it. You're >> so close. >> Really getting closer.

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>> Right now on the 26 28. Sorry. >> So, uh after Thursday >> Oh, we're Thursday. >> Because weekend council has to move their meeting Tuesday. So, we have to move on Monday.

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>> Is it Thursday after Memorial Day? >> Memorial days. >> Right. Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It seems crazy to me. >> I know. >> Okay. Great. Unless there's anything else or actually do you have anything to update us on 21 Fair Haven Road. >> So, as you know, or I hope you know, the

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house has been cleared out and they just did put down seating and we're really waiting on the grants. We had we did we were awarded with the Frank Blone grant or about 1.5 million. We're waiting on that letter so that we can move forward

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and uh we're hopefully uh getting the green acres grant. We haven't been awarded that yet. So we'll know more this summer um about that. That's about 300,000. >> That uh that grant that Paloma grant was granted. >> Yes. So, and I don't know that we

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mentioned in the last meeting there was a it was really in the last minute that was proposed letter uh that was submitted by DJ. It was I think right when they were submitting the application for that uh that I signed on behalf we signed on behalf of the commission just basically uh from a

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historic perspective looking to approve that. Um there was insufficient time to submit it to the commission because it had to be like the next day after I got the email. So we sent it out and obviously it worked. So that great job. >> It helps.

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>> Absolutely. >> And there was an exhibit at the love re um allowing people to brainstorm how they would like that designed. So it was pretty cool. It had thin piece of parchment paper. I don't know what it was. And anybody who could

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draw their ideas. >> Any good ideas? >> It's a child there. Really cool stuff. I thought it was the official plan, but I thought it was too tears somebody's ideas.

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>> Anything else? >> That's all for now. >> Um I know we jumped the gun, but anything on the historic association we didn't already talk about? >> Yes. Okay. So, we continue to the historic association continues to plug away at the online digital archive. uh

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century house program. Um we're building I can't stuff or not already, but we're building this sweet little activity book for the 250th for the kids to be able to hand out to you know children singles at Milwood. Um, so that's almost on its

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final draft and and historic association partnered with Chris Briner and we'll we're bringing assemblies to grades K through eight in next month. >> Oh, great.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. So, he's going to >> So, he's going to be we've broken it up to basically two grades at a time and with the exception of fifth grade who we're going to bring we're going to make that into a field trip down to the dock

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because they study in social studies the you know local economy. So, he's going to bring them to the dock and we're going to teach him about the oyster trade and yeah, he's really excited. >> Cruise. Yeah. Yeah. Chris um is really excited. He's working on different

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graphics and visuals that are, you know, appropriate per grade depending on what they all study. And on top of that, the historic association has also we're doing a essay and poster contest within

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the schools. The kids get to submit um before May anything. It's the topics are broken up by grade and what is appropriate for them. But the winners will get we'll put it on display at Memorial Park at the Fourth of July

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parade. And >> can you tell me about the Fourth of July parade? Is that a child only bicycle parade with no vehicles? >> No vehicles. Okay. I wonder the question is no vehicles. It's bikes and scooters. >> It's family. I think

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>> right. I mean, art probably know better, but vehicles >> like a golf cart. I think that's the the extent >> a vehicle. Yeah. And that will start at the firehouse and end at Burberry Road.

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There'll be a flag ceremony and it starts at 9:00 and it's supposed to be a short, you know, maybe one hour thing on July 14th. They'll be reading the declaration of >> when you get to the golf >> uh when everyone gets there and hopefully you know the street will be

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lined with little kids waving flags and it'll be really sweet decorated wagons and uh yeah that's and maybe you know more >> that you pretty much hit it right on the head. So that's that's happening. >> Boy Scouts are building what's the what's it called? Not like a flag pole.

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It's like something specific. >> Um I don't know. the old I forgot what it's there's there's a name for it with a tribe with a with something there and there the flag that's that starts is a fence Ross flag or vice versa. Yeah. >> They're going to take it down, put the

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new one up, the old one's going to be presented to the historic association and then once the ceremony is done, they're going to bring the I think it's the Betsy Ross flag. They're going to bring it and display it at Memorial Park, >> the the Colonial Pine

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Colony flag. Yeah. And is this the 250th committee in conjunction with the the surf association >> that more than 250 committee? >> Yeah. >> And there is a program I think it's this Sunday. It's the tea party that they're doing which is going to be in Smart

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Start. Debbie Schlugger Joe's wife is head heading that up. So anybody's interested in the tea party type thing. Maybe some other activities there. >> Oh the PL the Century House. What's what? >> So, >> literally nothing. >> Just got one and I'm reviewing it and

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then so I'll be able to bring it to you guys >> next month. >> Except they um just apply deeds or what do they >> Yeah, like basic Yeah, they deeds and paperwork and stuff. So, I'm just kind of I'm trying to comb through it and see what boxes are checked there and then I'm going to bring it to you guys

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instead. So, um, yeah, let's think about that then in terms of an application to the commission or you could probably >> for this one for just submit or send to us the application that they submitted to you. >> Okay. >> And then we could figure out some type

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of a more formal protocol and maybe have a separate application that the association can make here. >> Yeah. >> Unless we think that's overkill to figure that out because we really got to decide. >> One was mailed so it's paper. It's not something I can just forward. I I can scan it myself. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. >> Because if you want if you only think it's going to be ready by next, >> you know. >> Yeah. Def. Yeah. Definitely go there next month. Definitely. So young people. I had a little plaque out at the um

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love where you live day on Sunday and had one of the secretary house plaques and just on the table and people were picking up and really excited and asking questions and yeah, the word is spreading. And just art knows I was is my little

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spiel um um for the two of you. So the commission in addition to our historic um geographical um responsibility which is historic district and thus this chapel we also are responsible for advocating anything of historical significance in the town of Fair

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wherever it is. So the century house program is a beautiful example of us supporting wherever they are. If they have something in the house that they think is meets the criteria, then >> we will celebrate that. >> Yeah, >> it's all good.

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>> All right. Anything else with regard to historic association? >> Oh, and one more thing. Um, this weekend besidial hall will be included in the weekend in Old Mama from the county. Yeah, it's not open, but it's

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>> from the sc it's the scavenger hunt piece of it. So, I submitted just a few questions. There'll be a QR code outside so people can scan it and I you know it's it's basic. It's I I kind of geared it towards the kids like how many windows do you see and what year was it

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like it's basic but we are finally included and hopefully next year when it's all done it'll be open and we can get people in and out of there and have the doors wide open for that. >> Is that a Mammoth County scavenger hunt? >> It's a Mammoth Yeah. Mama County scavenger hunt. >> Yeah. >> No, I know.

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>> I know. Yeah. So that's Saturday May 2nd from 10 to 5 and Sunday May 3rd 12 to 5. So there'll be people wandering around, but under rocks. >> What's nice about all these updates is that when you when you have your annual

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fundraising, >> it's you have I mean I'm so excited about I mean I'm not on the association anymore, but um you have so many things to demonstrate what the fundraising goes to, which is really exciting. It's cool. Such great updates. >> You're not on anymore?

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>> No. No, but I didn't I just at least took it over. I didn't on it and no longer >> I'm le. >> Oh, but you're still a member of the >> No, no, no. Oh, that's the question. >> Okay.

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All right. We don't need to tell >> uh approval of the March 24th 26 meeting minutes. I make motion approval. >> Mr. Pav, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr.

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>> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Um, any other public comment or any thoughts? Susan? >> No. >> Anything from Zoom? >> No. >> All right. Motion to close.

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>> Right. Um even though thanks very much for work that you do in regards to Steve regard to the uh you know working uh on the paint development of issue and then bring together the um you know really the nuts and bolts of the you know huge

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development.