Okay, everybody. This is the regular meeting of the Fair Haven Historic Preservation Commission. Adequate notice of this meeting has been given pursuant to the provisions of the Open Public Meetings Act. At this time, at the time of the board reorganization of January of this year, the board adopted its regular meeting schedule for the year.
Notice of the schedule was sent and was published in the Aspbury Park Press on January 31st, 2025. The Two River Times on January 23rd, 2025. That notice was also posted on the Bolton board in the burough hall and has remained continuously posted there as required by
the statute. A copy of the notice has been available to the public and is on file at the office of the burough clerk. A copy of the notice has also been sent to members of the public as have requested such information in accordance with the statute. adequate notice having
having been given the board secretary is directed to include this statement of this meeting. Uh can we have a roll call? Mr. Pavla, yes. Mr. Mr. Anderson, Mr. Schlooter,
yes. Mr. Heler, yes. Mr. Fura, yes. Mrs. Casey, Mr. Smith, and Mrs. Forte. Okay. So, uh we only have one application. Uh we've already off the record been discussing
briefly uh about the application and the plans and specifications that have been submitted since we had some time before we acquired a forum. Um the applicant is Michael Monroe, but he is of course the um the architect on the project and responsible for the plans that have been
presented. The uh address 777 River Road, block 49, lot 2. And the work that is proposed as part of this application is restoration and new signage of a uh prominent historic structure that is um
in the uh historic uh commercial district of uh of the town. of the burrow. So, we'll hear you. Excellent. Thank you. Um, so when we we started looking at this project, we we've done some interior demolition and exposed the interior surface of it and
the extent of the structure. Um, what we'd like to do is restore the front uh building, basically keeping all the details where they are. Redo the siding with a probably identical 5- in hardy board siding, an AAC trim. Probably keep the existing shutters in good enough
shape to restore. put some proper hardware on them. Right now, they're screwed right into the siding. Uh there's no plywood in this obviously because it's 120 years old. Um there's not it's just siding nailed onto it. So, we end up tearing off the siding and plywooding it. It's got brick infill
which was common at the turn of the century. Um and we're not really changing any windows locations or details. It's got an octagon column which is a unique feature. the front. It It looks like I said you said before, it looks like you how you make it before you put on a lathe and turned it to make
it into a column. And maybe someone just thought that was it's interesting. I haven't seen really that before. Um or keeping the existing signage to pull it way it's always been. Um there's place for two sign panels. We may only need one sign panel. Um but we're obviously
it's going to be in the same flavor. It's a wood painted sign on both sides. Um, it's a seven six foot tall, seven feet wide, and it's on a it has on a raised planting bed. We're going to propose to tear out all that landscaping and those railroad types and actually
kind of match a version uh to what to what we did at 775 probably with some more ground cover. I got stone. We need a little more material next door. I know that's not really under your purview, but to make the sign more visible. Uh on the drawings that were submitted, we have a
historic picture from up in the hallway upstairs which shows a a dark green and a white siding. We're going to go back for a white siding. We were talking about possibility for shutter colors and we may go with the white on white to really make all the landscaping colors
pop. Um and then there's two existing pictures on the lefth hand side. Um so the idea is is to replace all the details in kind. Um and we have a landscaping plan. And we also have two pictures on the lower center part of the
existing window in the back of the original part um of the house and the inside where the front door is. You can see all the brick and heavy timbers. Um we kn we knew we'd have to fix the back of it once we exposed it all. There's a lot of damage. The back of the building
has to be completely rebuilt down to the foundation. The floor is out of level. Nothing's built right. It's been leaking forever. Um, and we thought, why not put a matching pitch and matching details in the back of the building? That seemed like a great idea. It get us a little bit more office space. Plus, there were
no real real bathrooms or real stairs. It was a front stair and a back stair. They were too steep and too narrow. So, uh, that took a lot of space. So, by the time we put proper bathrooms in there and proper stairs and everything else, uh, we actually had less space than was there. We thought we would knock down
the shed in the back, have a little less coverage so it's more open and more impervious and then make the building look better. Since I would rebuild it anyway, why not build it properly to match the front and we get a little bit of office space out of it and that helps pay for all the cost of redoing
restoring that structure. There's a fair amount of money to restore the front and the back has has to be torn down unfortunately and nothing worth keeping. Tell us a little bit because obviously if you look at that historic photo that's presented wonderful that the building is white upright of land 1970s
photo as we were describing uh clearly that you know the original structure was visible. You can see what the original house was and tell us a little bit more about just the nature of those additions. Obviously they were later on. I'll pass a photograph which makes it really clear. Yeah. And you can see you know there's a
stairs sticking out of the back. That's remarkable that someone thought of that. And these are different pitches that like sheds that were just put on there with three separate doors out the back. It was really kind of bizarre. Um, no one ever walked back there. You never went to the post office. You never you never really went behind the front door.
You I mean the side door where you go and see him uh anyway the front door there. But um it's it's really a mess back there. So, it's almost like on on this photo you presented, which looks to be a photo taken of the west side building.
Yes. Um like a T111 siding portion. There's I don't know if that door that's depicted that still even works. It doesn't look like it has any hard That one might have been boarded up, but the stairs were still there. Yeah. It's just it's just a mess. And uh obviously not uh sufficient to
satisfy any kind of code requirements, I would imagine. Anything beyond the original structure. Correct. So, um I I was I was trying to clean that all up and make it look good because you do see the sides of these buildings. I know we just focus on the front, but you do see the sides as you go out. I think it's going to be a
benefit uh when this roof line matches on the back. I think it's going to look like it was meant to always be. Um I think it'll be an improvement and it'll last for, you know, another hundred years as opposed to to falling down. Um, and uh,
we on the interior we're taking out most of the walls. Um, we talked about I was going to tear out the front stair and we talked about maybe leaving one of the stairs. We're probably going to do a second stair or we might want a second stair. I was tearing out there. I mean, it's work, but there's doesn't meet any
requirements. Um, and none of that will have any impact on here. Nope. So, I'm just giving you a flavor of that. Um, I'm going to add some windows right on the sides, which I think were there originally, but they were blocked up, so I don't have to. It looks like they already shuttered as
like 19 once in the picture. Yeah, if you look If you look on the on the right and left, it looks like they put the shutters over the window permanently and just closed them up. I think it would look good to have them there, but there again, uh, I was to go downstairs, but I think no, it would
never, but it looks like they were intended to be upstairs. So, I think I don't have to do it, but I think it would add more light. We It's nice to have a lot of light in these buildings. And and um, so the one that looks like the original, the one that you uncovered are all six over six. Yeah. And that is, I
assume, going to be replacing it with six over six identical six over six similar divided lights. How about what's the condition of the chimney? I assume the plan is to maintain the chimney. It's got to be rebuilt. It's uh it's almost outside its center of gravity,
which means it's probably got four or five years left before it comes down by itself, but it will it will be reorgan. Oh, yeah. No, we we're we're either probably going to rebuild it out of wood in the middle and then put the similar almost exact brick on the outside. Um, we might have some bricks somewhere else in the building we can utilize, but it
may just come apart and be able to put it right back together again. But it's probably going to be stronger if it's a a wood core, but it'll look like that. We thought about taking it down altogether, but it's part of the composition of the building. So, it's so drastically affects the look of the house. Yeah. And and there's a matching one in
the back, too. We never see it, but there there's a matching one on the backside. You mentioned the shutters. I assume there's catered shutters that exist. They obviously are old and that's one thing that we always looks, you know, really striking about the structure is the shutters.
I think we just we just we take the shutters out and we restore them, put them right back up and add some nice hardware to them and then it's it's a better version there. It's to be restored back to what it was. I assume the the new hardware is going to be some type of rod iron.
Yeah, the black rod iron the the hinge clasp the h the hinges and the clasp on the bottom. And you said you're going to maintain the existing sign, not necessarily the signage, but the sign post. Yeah. In anticipation of some future sign, which is not before us now.
Right. We don't have the actual signage content, but we can bring that at some future point. But, uh, the idea is match the, uh, the size and the character of the Brooks Arc Center. It's there. How about the, uh, the front porch? Uh, is it mahogany or some floors?
I'm thinking it's going to have to be I'm thinking once we look at it, it's going to have to be rebuilt and uh what what is the intent on the uh it will be a wood front porch, I assume. Uh yes. So, it definitely would stay wood. Um probably go back to a painted
finish that can match whatever is there. What's your input though on a wood alternate for? So, cuz there's going to be a lot of traffic. So, to minimize maintenance, I would prefer to not have natural wood to not have to paint it and stain it all the time. Uh, I mean, ordinarily, especially, but
you said it is is oak or what is it now? Um, I haven't really looked into it. Um, it's rotten. Yeah, it's a it's a soft wood. So, um, sometimes So, there's a couple choices. you're going to put a hardware back in and like a mahogany and do a stain of a
certain color or it's going to be some sort of fur and be painted, you know, but that's more maintenance and then get dirty. I'm hearing that there's a there's a concern as far as uh just basically the maintenance show which you think would be a product the orientation of how the boards are laid is probably the most important as
far as historically they would be laid I think they're with that not across to drain. Yeah. And you really can't do that with a composite material because the edges are not, you know, they're not finished. If you try and use an Azac
porch, it it won't work because the end it doesn't have the finish. It's only on the top. And that's why they use a a a trim board along the edge when you're talking about using a porch. So that's why we usually recommend either the
mahogany or the fur because those are traditional and you see the ants usually it's radiused at the top. Okay, that's a traditional, you know, way to do to construct a front porch. We've wrestled with this on a bunch of
different projects, but I think that um yeah, on something that's so it's not a huge porch um and on something that's so prominent, so close to the um to the sidewalk, it's clearly visible. So, I think you're going to have to go with some with a wood product as opposed to
some type of component of composite for the very reasons that Joe just mentioned. There was a composite that was made a number of years ago and I used it on a house in Fair Haven, but they no longer make that and it was uh you know like something like an a uh you
know TX type of material, but that company is out of business now. Good. Yeah. The tough part about it is when you use it, it looks like a front force looks like a back flip. I get asked to do it all the time and and the gaps in it makes it look a little bit less authentic, you know. This was always
like a tongue and groove or a butt joint and it and has so it makes it feel more like a back porch. I'm all for the maintenance free. We can find a hardwood that and that can last, you know, that it has a has wood steps and the edges are rotted because it's exposed to leather. So, um that's going
to be um a little bit of maintenance, but we can put something in there that I've got mahogany on my front porch. It's over 25 years old. I've got uh fur on my side porch and it's overthrown by cold. And as long as they're
maintained and put in correctly, they will last as long as they're painted, primed, and finished before they're installed. Got that. Yeah. Know painted, primed, know it's Yeah. That's That's a really hard one. It's going to last 30 years as opposed
to 10 years. How often do you have to like refinish? Uh I I think I've refinished both porches over 25 years. Uh probably I'm on the second prime reference because you'll see very minimal light sanding and just putting
another coat on, right? It's not it's not a big job. It won't show as much dirt as the as the the gray color. The first person on there with with mud, you know, you see that it hides more. The darker color hides more
kind of interestingly. It looks like maybe it's just the angle that uh the right column or the column farthest to the east again on that historic photo looks like it's at an angle which common failure of the front porch. It doesn't look it doesn't look that way in temporary photo. So I wonder if they had
to redo something. You see what I'm talking about Jeff? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look at this. I I know there's not much below that wood on the deck. And you know, it's it's usually a maze of pieces of wood stuck together. No, there's no no real
connection. So, we're going to probably just take it all apart. So, are you going to redo the uh octagonal uh columns because just these other pictures are showing the square columns. That's just an AI computer. They just did an AI thing just to show you a color
version for shutters. That was okay. That's for the shutters. Yeah, that just it always puts in stupid things, you know, and it changes things on you. But it was it was just for a visual. Will you be reusing those existing uh columns? I think I think the columns are in good shape. I I said, like I said before, I
don't know why there's no base on it. I think that's a typical detail. I haven't seen many. I mean, it's just some houses like in Spring Lake, like some round columns where they're installed without bases. I've seen there a couple times, but um I'm going to put it back that way because it's uh that's the way it was.
But um it's got a nice cap to it. And so it's probably going to be easier just to refinish it. And uh like I said, the I think the roof and everything's in good shape. It's just the what's below the columns is in bad shape. If we rebuild the do some brick
peers on there, we'll rebuild the brick peers. Uh do you have like a flat roof on the front porch? What's the condition of that? Is it like a membrane roof that's on there? Um, I don't I don't have pictures with me. I took pictures looking out the window. That didn't seem in bad shape. I mean, the Yankee gutter system in the front.
There's a Yankee gift on the whole thing. Yeah. So, it's on the main house and it's on the shutter, too. So, the the uh the leaders come right out of the underside of it. Yeah. So that is my least that is the most challenging thing to do in real
life and have it last and not leave that. Nobody would do that unless that I assume is going to be reserved. Yeah, I I have to do it there. Um in the back, I don't know. Unless we find a great way to do it. It's just a challenging detail because it's a it's
always backing up water. Um but we're gonna we're gonna waterproof the whole roof before we do it anyway. I'm sure we can figure out that detail, but yes, the intention we leave the Yankee gutters. I'm just going to re- roof the upper roof. Um I think that's it was L and
cedar at one point, but I think it's I think that was plywooded at some point was replaced. I believe [Music] anybody else have thoughts or questions, concerns? The shed that you mentioned you taking down, is that a freestanding shed in the back?
Yes, it's gone. It's gone. It was falling down. I was curious if that had historic was that was an old There was nothing historic about it. No, it was just neglected. I think it was like handbuilt by possibly him and he had legal he had legal files stored in it. Uh but when they were emptied it was
like the boxes were supporting the walls. Yeah. They just took it when they did the demo to the one next door was in good enough shape to restore and actually make something match the side. It was good. This one would be a complete rebuild. And uh I thought it wasn't a bad idea to trade off. You
know, if I'm adding that up, make make something better. Make both things better. Have a little bit less clutter in the backyard. The property on the corner next to it, that one is that's going to fall down by itself within a year or two. That looks like east side. Yeah. Yeah. The back in the back there.
Yeah. No, that's the the corner probably. Yeah. So, I think I mean that's pretty much our whole presentation. looks guys are doing a lot to preserve the front of the house which is exactly what we're concerned with. I think the uh you know
the roof line as they're proposing is going to be consistent with the front and looks really good. Um does anybody anybody have any questions in the audience concerns or thoughts? Anything online? Yeah. Are you studying still?
No, I'm good. Yeah. Um so I I'll make a motion. Uh, you know, there's a lot of things that you said that aren't necessarily contained in the uh plans that you that you've submitted, but um will be part of what we um approve. I include them as an
as the uh as part of the motion. So, I'm going to make a motion that we approve the application as presented. But among those things um will be uh that obviously you're going to be be permitted to uh replace the siding and use a wood light product with 5 in
reveal. You get to keep the shutters. You get to keep the columns. Uh obviously rebuild the chimney. Um the front porch uh would be a mahogany or a um um or a Douglas fur product. Um
and that you and that the Yankee gutter system will be maintained as well at least as it relates to the front of the project. So all those things were represented that you'll do just want to make them as part of the project uh part of the memorandum of action and the windows will be SD 6 over six or divided light.
Yeah, with the shutters. Yep. The shutters. We're going to restore the existing shutters. I think borrowing something unusual if we have to buy new ones we'll get one close to that. I think we try to restore those. They seem Yeah, they're like so robust. I think that good time, good luck finding
something that's going to be that uh so I will make that motion uh to approve the application as presented with the other caveats that I also mentioned that will be contained in the memorandum of action. I'll second that. Mr. Pavl. Yes, Mr. Schlitter.
Yes, Mr. Hower. Yes, Mrs. Fura. Yes, Ter. Thank you very much. Great, guys. Thank you. Sorry about the delay. No problem. Appreciate you getting us in. Yeah, no problem at all.
And uh we'll have this done. I'll have the memorandum out by the next weeks. Thank you very much. Good to see you. Thanks a lot. Good to see you. I'm sorry guys. Um, what were your names again? I just want to put it in here because you got
Ben Smith, Russ Smith, Ben and Russ. Okay, thanks guys. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. When we started our fire department scholarship program back in early 2000, Ben was the first RFA graduate
win the schol. Awesome. So, every time I see him, I look at that 17-year-old kid. Makes me feel young. Oh, yeah. Happens a lot these days. Uh, all right. So, we have uh moving on from our only
application. We have our old business. Uh, yeah. Council Gibson Cole here who step up. We haven't seen her in a while in front of us since we haven't met in a while. How's it feel up there? Uh, the chairs
are very comfortable. They smell of a fresh leather. I like the new carpet. It's very cozy. Much improved. Just a little cleaner. It actually looks It's a lot cleaner. Yeah. They don't really fall back. Almost as if they were going to break sometimes.
Yeah. What was the issue there? Was there a sew here? What was the problem? Yes. This u this uh section here, there's a a sewer line that runs through it. That's kind of why that looks like a header, but and it's boxed up, but and um yeah, it broke. It's It was
actually the second break. There was a rupture in another section. It was repaired, you know, and sometimes you just creat another problem further down. So, um yeah, I have to say Christoph managed to
take lemons and turn it into lemonade. Everything was funded. Um the repairs all the costs were covered by insurance and even the colors like this was repurposed um from the PD. So this was re you know
cleaned up and repurposed and I mean it was very resourceful and obviously it feels a lot better. Yes, I agree. Yeah, it just feels cleaner and together. So, okay. So, our first element of uh old business obviously by Centennial
Hall. Katie obviously is the historic association liaison. Um Tracy, you were here obviously as the council leaison as well as been heavily involved in the organization. So, tell us from any perspective about what's happening on
that front. So the the I was I brought my laptop tonight which I really never do because there was some mo recent emails and I haven't finished digesting all of them but all this is to say that
Monday is a council meeting and bsentennial hall is going to be in the top of the workshop. It's actually going to be a pretty large workshop section but bysentennial hall's on the agenda. So, if you'd like to come, obviously be great if you wanted to come, but um if
just to reset the conversation, we knew that um the governing body issued a um or awarded a scope of work to Laura Bowwin from Goldstein's firm and that was to generate the list of items that
needed to be the maintenance items or the punch list as we have been calling it. It's not really a bunch of this but anyway um so that she has undertaken that work. We have things to talk about and review with her. She's going to be
in attendance on Monday. um including paint color, the repairs, the loose items. There things that some of us have been tracking carefully like maybe the key, you know, the lock on the front door and the state of the basement and obviously the paint repair work and you
know some of the the trim around the windows. Um so she's that list has already been compiled but it's not necessarily in a priority order and she's going to present that on Monday. It's going to be discussed in the form of workshop. Obvious it it goes without saying and I
will repeat it. It will come here too. This falls within your jurisdiction and you'll you'll be reviewing the same documents that council is going to review on Monday. Um I wish I'd had time to go through all of
it for you before this meeting tonight, but it came late. If it's okay, I could try to open it and see if there's something in there we can if you want to skip around. Well, let me let me see. Do you want to stay on bysentennial hall right now? And well, with some of these things, we could probably uh get through. I imagine
there's not much action on the transom issue. Transoms in the basement, but you know, the thing is we we we don't want to be keep moving around. I suspect that maybe they're going to touch on a recommendation as it relates to the transom. Um, I mean, if I were hired or
you know, if you were one of you guys was hired to put together this punch list of maintenance items for a historic structure and you found an old, you know, transom in the basement, they'd probably perhaps make a recommendation as to where or what
that not technically, not to my knowledge. And I'm and I and I know this body is particularly interested in the methodology that was used to determine a paint color. So there's quite a lot in here. So I'm
looking at six attachments and a giant zip drive that I started downloading before I left my house. Is she coming to talk about the process for selecting Pinkler or is she coming to present her recommendation? Well, if the professionals in the room,
you can ask them anything you want. No, I'm just curious. the documents that she provided. Is there an actual paint color recommendation? There is. Uh I only know that from the summary. I don't know that from I haven't reviewed her methodology or her report. The summary says a white really
her recommendation is for a white paint. And I I don't feel comfortable talking about it till I've read how did how did you arrive at that? I mean we we've certainly discussed it enough to know the methodology, the narrative, the history, the significance of what the color is and when it was. you know,
there's a lot that goes into a decision like that or a recommendation like that. Um, so I felt that was one thing that we were going to have in put up as well with the input questions. I think that, you know, she'll probably I suspect that she'll give us some kind
of a basis as to why she's recommending white. I mean, I've got over 60 documents in there, right? They're not all from her either. The cancer session has a workshop. Do do any recommendations come back from the council or it's a workshop? It's like a
step in the process. It Yes, Steve. It is a step in the process. It's an initial step. Um if they will not bypass this body, I'm sure every member of the governing body is interested in getting the uh input from historic preservation commission. Um
well, there won't be any decisions made obviously from even the council position. Is it just sort of an orientation as to now that we're getting to more specifics? Correct. Okay. Um, even if she were to put forth a recommendation, we we as a body or I
know as your liaison that I would recommend this be um put before you as well before council took any formal action. Um, we we can't, you know, certify the completeness of a a list of work items until we've exhausted workshop is open to the followup.
Yeah, very much. And I think actually having a chance to talk directly to Laura is would be really helpful. I I can see about getting her to an HPC meeting that's not in her um contract. So that would probably be an extra cost.
Um if you can come to the council meeting or I'm looking at you, but that's an invitation to anyone. Um that would be great. I'll certainly share with you. Let me see if I can just quickly I'll share with you anything I have here.
Um either anyone ask where you're planning on going to the council. Would you want to act as a leazison for the commission to meet? Yeah. No, I think I would like to have somebody there. I just know my calendar. Okay. So, um yeah, that would be great.
My suggestion um is who whoever is designated um that if if you're going to designate that individual to carry the voice of this body, do so in a vote and be clear about the questions you want that designate to ask.
I was going to ask the same thing if because once you leave Yeah. Once you once you adjurnn, nobody has any individual authority, but you can um assign a piece of authority if you will. We don't know enough about you. So I'm
not I don't I don't think we need to limit your questions. I mean it's a question you know that the inquiries that we've had the issues that we've discussed and I I do appreciate it and we will we can take it to a vote. I can nominate you to do that. Um but I I don't know about putting any kind of
restrictions on what I think the the one thing that jumps out at me is just the street facing this color. Um so I I would definitely I think especially since we this in these meetings we've talked about it's gone all all around as we know
about how the decision for the color will be made and as we know people have different opinions about that. So I would I would like you to ask about that process for selecting the color. Well, I think it's really um you know to answer any questions, not answer
necessarily, but you know what the board has stood on certain things. If she had any questions, obviously she could come before us so we could communicate independently with her. Uh um but it's more like reporting back to the commission too as different
things that were discussed or issues or concerns or things that she had when she makes this presentation. Most of the punch list items were kind of rudimentary internal things as well. That's that's the only one that was HPC
things like color and authenticity of the historic the way the decisions were made as the recommendations is she'll be presenting ask about that. Yes. So, um, while Tracy's looking through, uh, things, I'll, uh, make a
motion that we nominate Steve Heler to act as the liaison for the Historic Preservation Commission at, uh, I believe it's the 29th. Um, Monday the 29th. 29th, I believe. Yes, I think you're right. Um,
it is the 29th. it is in the workshop session uh featuring Laura Burwin who's been hired by the burrow for the purpose of um spearheading the restoration and maintenance concepts for the
purp. [Music] Yes. Mr. Schlooter. Yes. Mr. for himself. Yes. Okay. This is for Sora, I guess. Thank you.
Okay, great. All right, guys. I will also This Reverend Smith has been talking to me a little bit about the chapel waiting and I'll just mention it to him. So if any of his congregation who have been
asking about the restoration, that would be a great opportunity for them. It's um they're in the loop. I mean, it can't hurt for you to extend it as well, but they um they have been made aware. Very good. Just does anybody really love outlook
anything? um documents embedded within documents. Oh, is this in the um the agenda that's on the uh No. So, we can't peruse it on our own. now. But I'd like to share with you um
anything that So far all I've seen is a a big file with photographs, current conditions, um a Laura's resume or a brief bio, um
um the for the Pavl report, some old shipo stuff from the 19 1975 like sort of c bunch of stuff captured from that's kind of good having everything in one place is this all exterior and walls not
interior there's some interior I I know there there needs to be some interior stuff uh beyond the basement even structural kind of stuff. No. Oh, nothing structural. Okay. All the structural stuff was dealt with.
There's Yeah. Okay. Good news. And it does not include the landscape, right? doesn't include um at one point there was a list that included you know removal of invasives which is really too
broad a stroke because a lot of those trees there could be um not native but also contributing an important buffer. you know, two homes. And so, we'll have to That was a several iterations ago,
though. So, I'm not sure what has um made it to this version of the punch list. I'm sure there are some non-native plants on the property like 100 years ago. I know there's a non needed rat.
Excuse me for a minute. Squirrels. I'm not seeing like a report with a list of workers. There's more to go through and it could be here. Even if it is, it's an initial. Um, well, the agenda says they're only
discussing exterior paint. That's the only thing that's on the agenda. Oh, paint. So, that's the workshop. Well, it's it'll go beyond paint color, but that is what's listed on the agenda. That simplifies it.
Well, it's one piece of the work. Yeah. Tracy, is is is the end deliverable of the exterior work covers basically the whole exterior, the windows, the paint, anything else. In other words, the image vision of what it should look like
is pretty much in this project. Would you say again? The the church, the fisk chapel. Mhm. This project, this project covers everything from the ground up to the roof, colors and materials and any suggested changes to anything that
probably they're in this project. In other words, if this project is approved and completed, this chapel will be brought to the state that we want it to be or other Yes. I think that's a fair statement. You're saying, will this bring it to uh
kind of we we're not ready to put a bow on it, but it's close. Is that what you mean? Yeah. So, it'll make all the repairs to the clockboard and the you know where we have damage around the windows and the um
um there might be some gutter repair. I mean, I know what I'm going to be looking for to make sure it's a complete list. I don't want to leave anything out. I think we should have dedicated bicycle parking. I definitely think the basement needs to be double checked and
I think it should be painted and cleaned and sealed and you know the however Laura is um very well qualified. I think we're in good hands too. So, I was surprised and after all these years of me looking at it, I was I was
talking to someone on the um historic association when I walked around it. The east side, I'm sorry, the west side and north side and east side have one kind of restoration. The south side, did you
know this? Has a whole different kind of um planking. I don't even want to call it. It's like a different material. The siding is Yes, the siding is different. Um, and because I was trying to I because my first push said, "Oh, it's not as damaged on the south side. It's smooth.
It doesn't have that." Oh, they um there might have been some repair work because we had a giant rodent hole in the side. It could be. It is. Is that the south side? No, that's on the right side. So, if you're staring at the front door, it was the entire wall. The
But could it have been that when they restored it when they moved it? No. Oh, no. It was after the move. I'm pretty sure it was definitely after probably after the um it probably was the south side's going to get the most sun and and it's going to wear more than the
cleanest. It's the actually the most restored looking. Well, that could be because that would be the one they would place. So, anyway, my point is that I'll have to take a look. My point is that when I looked at it, I thought, "Oh, when they do restore it, I hope they restore it to
the the shingled look, not to not like it looked more authentic. The redone side has a different different finish." Yes. Correct. Correct. I'll have to talk. And I'm sure that's going to be part of like to your point.
And I'm wondering if now when you said that the thickness of the material is a little different, too. Yeah. Absolutely. So we so we do want to understand the um recommendations or materials and if they're different than what was there already.
I don't think the architect would support that. Right. Lauren. So yeah. Um for sure the other sides are probably the original or whatever was painted. I don't know if it was restored when it was first painted in the 1990s. The
right side looks like it was not only painted, but it was everything was taken off and then replaced. Probably. You have photos. I do, but my phone just died. I want to um Okay. So, we'll learn more about, you know, well, two things. I'm thinking it's such
a short window. Um I'm I'm in this email chain. I'm thinking um I copy art and Sheila and just advise council in advance that you've you know designated a representative to appear on you know behalf of the HPC to
um collect information and um ask some questions and and then what do you guys want? Do you want to see the pictures? If I had a list, I would send it to you, but it doesn't look like there's a list in here.
Do you want to see all the pictures? Uh, pictures that Laura took. Laura took as a Yeah. to identify things that need attention. That's what it looks like to me. Yeah. And she would present those.
Yeah. I'm going to send them to She might even have pictures of the exterior walls. You see what I'm talking about? I do. Um okay let me just set this aside. Um do you want to go? So well actually just because I just was
remember that uh we did a series of emails about the grant process that let's tell us about that that's happening. This is the the state funding through for the 250 the um where that is is um asan I've just been kind of
carrying that along with you our arts on the 250 committee and um had a brief discussion with Chris York about this funding and he's aware of it supports it and I think it's probably pretty straightforward maybe Sheila it'll end up um I don't really know but between you and Chris you could figure it out
but um I wanted to fasttrack this because It's time sensitive. So, I've put together a preliminary list of potential landmarks. I thought if you guys could weigh in how maybe prioritizes this is because we have several um I don't know what the limit
is in ter maybe we can only apply for one, maybe we can apply up to 12. I don't really know. But um once we do go ahead with this, there'll need to be a resolution from the governing body and they'll want to know what the priorities
are for the landmarks that we would seek this signage for. So I'll go through it. Um I forget where this came would this come out of a discussion of the house? I don't even remember. Sorry, it's been a
lot going on. Um, we definitely bring we brainstormed at our association meeting. We did. Oh, I think that could have we were all they were brainstorming. Did they come up with a priority list? No, we just did sort of a
thanks Katie. I couldn't remember. So, Bsentennial Hall, which the Greenbook House, which is a private property now. We obviously need to get permission. Um, the Shrewsbury River Yacht Club, again, private. We need to
get permission. Um potentially 21 Chandler's Dock, the original town dock. Um perhaps some entrance to the old McCarter estate, which is McCarter Park. Um
um the school, the former school. Obviously, it's a site now, not a school. But I kind of like what we are planning there. But there's the BIS student. That's all. Yeah. Um, what else? Oh, something over at
Brown's Lane maybe. Where and what we would Oh, I don't know. The c the um grant categories are broad and conceptual like um locations that have to do with uh revolutionary thought and changes in
cultural outlook. Like so the they're not anchored to architecture or building and you know events that occurred in that it's events more broadly like it could be over time a a lawsuit that you know
turned into something significant that could have originated here you know could be the spark of something or place where so it's they're broad categories yeah I painted clearly bicultist. I do think and I'm very happy that
Chandler's Doc is making and now 21 Fairy Road kind of opens the door to that. But I've always been even back in the 90s I was always pushing for some type of a historic sign just to you know because that was the sort of merkantile basis of the town. the town grew up
around it was it was agricultural and that was the that's what why word fair was sort of created and in fact when we talked about association we said it's I think it's a nice double dip in the sense that the 21 fair haven committee itself hasn't decided yet but has been talking
about how do we recognize its historical presence so if this al and it's in the district it's in the district so and chambers do is is notable in commerce yeah it was whole new economy without it economies and my thought would be the
school would be after that Shrewsbury Yach Club. Yes. But um there already is a sign out front. There is signage out on the on the benches and I don't know how much more I know necessary. Lane is significant because that's where
the first free the descendants of the freed slaves settled and um there's a lot of history there. But is it well I don't know but is it known what exactly is there because I've heard a variety of different like do we I think there's been a debate as to what actually took
place or what was there. What's the debate is of the cemetery. That's where the debate is. But what was not debatable was who lived there and who settled there and the families that settled there and you know when it was Shbury Township and I I a long time ago someone said
well maybe something at the base of the street where the sign is Browns Lane. Oh, like on the street sign, near the street like even I'm not saying this is what it is like you know how we have some street sign that have double names like the 911 memorial pants
something and this came from a discussion at this church after a church just something near the entrance obviously now there's private homes all the way up to the end it's hard to distinguish where you know whose house do you pick to
but the entrance to the street itself because the foot was also where the first it wasn't the fifth chapel. Another church was at the base of Bronze Lane. Um maybe across the street. So there is does do we have enough it's because it's
it do we have enough to substantiate um like placement of a marker of some kind? I think there's enough information as far as physically where what you could leave. Well, eventually it has to come down to
somebody got to dig a hole and push. How big these are they variable? Do you know what they look like? Not sure. Um I believe it's a pole. These and I'm basing this off of um a ribbon cutting that was on one of the things. So I don't know if that's a fair
way to say a sign sign like the size of like a well what I did see thank goodness no but well but similar and then not historic you know like the historic writing and like a you know depth
um you know historic sort of sign that uh is not just flat like faceted with um yeah I don't think it's as nice as that art I well let me say this the only sign that I did see in this photograph was not as nice as I know what you're
talking about which would be very decent. This appeared to be a a metal a blue metal sign with words with maybe there's a QR code there. I don't know. But words on a pole
as opposed to a U bar. But let me see if I can you will um I mean by Centennial Hall and they they both have They represent big things h happening in
the development in this town. Were there are there any people um and was there a phase of fair haven that wouldn't have happened without something else here? I mean, for instance, the ferry
ferry is not in Fair Haven. Probably changed Fair Haven 20 to 30 years ago, but it's not here. And I don't know if people like the way it changed it, but is there anything like that an industry of just a great person who who had a big
impact the Chandlers on everything? I mean, 1500 years, you know, a little bit later on would have been like some of the Villians that were here and uh you know that uh that's not really a part of the history that you hear too much.
Hunting was a big name in town. Any look at the names in our town, Hance Hunting. Yeah. Play street for example was a producer I think on Bville. I think we all need to go back and read books. might be might be something
I think al as Tracy's talking what I'm thinking about is that the things that she's listed need to be commemorated whether it's via this process whether it's the historic association does
something whether it's the schools do it's you know what I'm saying it's not the end all so what Tracy's talking about is a very specific physical representation and I think there's some like the Browns Lane entrance could be challenging from what is available
but I think that it makes most sense to probably have the base unless like we're saying you could find something that's more specific you don't want to sort of guess at it or have like a you know make you know on this site or thereabouts somebody lived
I I kind of live this last weekend because at our historic association garden party we had um did you know signs we had 10 Yeah, there was green lawn signs said, "Did you know?" And there was a nice history back and I went around town afterwards and I placed
those signs in front of what it represented. Did you know that now the grill once was varsity black barrel? Took a picture of the thing in the background. And for the Browns Lane, I actually drove to the I said, "Where should I put this?" And I went back to
the base and I put the sign where you could see the word Browns Lane and you could see the Shrewsbury Club across the street. You see the nav sink. I created a little photo album. We don't know what to do with it yet, but um and those corners obviously are they're private
property that people people's property. So, you know, I just came in temporarily took it out. But um and I just follow up again. If there were some things that happened here, there was a change in big change in migration. Well, there was change in migration.
Gentry was there moved in big change in uh the way people managed economically like the work people did I have to say that but if you're talking about history
economics that changed the ferry came in uh the ferry was going to New York City after 911 after big change that was the big in the and another uh change was when McCarter Estate subdivided into River
Oaks when they uh did the uh the Green Acres and got fairly fields. Oh my gosh. That is one of the big changes. And and that was my father-in-law and and the other guy. I can't remember his name. He always wore the Spenders.
Oh, was that um Larry? Wasn't it Larry? No, you're thinking of Larry Quigley. Yeah, it was. No, not Larry Quigley. Okay. Um he he lived on uh is it the one that on Harper? He lived on harbor.
Is it the one that he was an engineer and he was instrumental in with Debbiey's dad in order to get their hidden fields to the green acres legislation because they wanted they wanted that all a development. That's really big.
Yeah. For the new guy that's that's really big. No. No, it wasn't Ralph. Do you know who Do you know the guy's name? It's Jim. The last name isn't coming. Yes, Jim. It was It was Jim. He was a big barrel chestnut guy. I did a lot of
work for him, too. He and his wife. Really, really nice couple, but he was friends with my uncle. Oh, Jim Angle. Yes. Yes. You take home fries, baby. Thank you, Stephen. Yeah.
Not fair instrumental in getting Fields. Oh, he said Fair Haven Fields was owned by um Love It Love It Nursery. That part, but the Green Acres part was that also Green.
This was all Green Acres. There's nursery. We're about to retire the loan on it. Green Acres. Get it? Green Acres. And so and then it was divided into what we know as Fairy Fields and then what we know is the natural area. The natural area and then the other side
of the road was that became the Rumpson Park and then Redbank Regional was built on on Love's property too. That's where was your what? Tell me your thought process about does this connect
to the signs? Yeah. How much you put on the sign? I'm I'm just saying that the context of how a very large piece of the land of fair haven became green acres and over time it became the
fields became this became that um and it's had it's had an impact on the community for 50 years the kids that was in the 70s when Yeah. So that was uh you see interesting why don't I just write it down. So, the
natural layer just celebrated 50 years. Um, and they did do quite a bit of they updated their sign. there is a celebration, but I'm not I'm trying to I don't know if there's any sign that literally steps back and says in the
bigger context that the impact the history might be Green Acres and the person who led that that that group of people who took advantage of it and that was Jim Engel and George G. How big was the love? The property was huge.
Love was three I that's got to be close to what 300 acres. I I grew up here and it was it was always love nursery. Yeah. You know when until I was in high school and that's when it when it changed. Do you know if the open space money
existed as a funding mechanism or was it created in part for this? Because I'll tell you, there was a time, well, there was a time before the open space funding where it didn't exist. There wasn't a way for communities to
protect because you take the the the the free market forces, which we love them, but would acquire and develop. And so that that was a key piece of government intervention to empower communities
and and there was a big development planned for that whole field. There was a developer development. I thought there was some sort of legal there were so many different so so many houses. I forget what the number was. Jim Engel and who was the other individual? Uh George G.
Oh okay. That's is that your father? That's my father-in-law. He was a 35 year uh teacher at RFH. That's a significant story that affects the development of fair in the recent years. Yes.
Yeah. And it's that's I mean half of half the time the fair hadn't been here maybe it was 18 80 something this was 1970 or something. But it's interesting 70 years
what people's perception of change in history is and and a lot of time you know on social media people complain about the changes and I always like to remind the people who many live in the river oaks section that prior to 1950 up from 1912 when fair was founded up till
1955 I think when River Oaks that was all marterland that was I don't know wooded McCarter Pond. So back and I always joke that there was social media back in 1950 what people have been saying ah these
newbies coming in to tear down our trees. But they didn't tear down the trees which was what the beauty of river was is that they saved all that and they put those low ranches all through there. Yep. This defined that ent but those ranches
are there's only a few left. Right. That's and the trees went with them. The trees went with them. Yes. So what happened that part of the story the action that were taken did define Fair Haven for a long time. Yes. And what the biggest impact was on the schools. So up to that point Rumson was
Rumson High School and Fair Haven gets there and then it became a regional high school because I think the class sizes obviously were huge when River Oaks. So just to bring it back to the task because I think um or you'll probably
need to report to the 250 committee and um and uh with which I leas as well. So um I will um I will convey this list. Yeah, I think that clearly by Centennial Ball and Chad like our and the school
yeah are probably the three things that kind of head and shoulders amongst the other ones. the other ones are sort of fungeible bit. Um probably Carter being the last on the list. Yeah, the consensus there. So, and then honestly, as you guys are talking, some
of those things are worth like dogearing and coming back to because it's, you know, I'll just say kind of cool history and I'm sure the 250th committee has a bit of a challenge compared to some towns because our history Yeah.
even in the Revolutionary War, it's not fair even we you know I mean geographically we were here at Shbury but yeah I was still trying to track down the events I ordered a couple books and do some light reading but um the battle of mammoth is probably where
there's a couple loose threads to pull so I'm going to take this list to uh our I I'll put it in an email and um so you can take it to the 250 and then I'll also uh convey this to Chris York who I
I I don't think the application is complex and I made a note to ask what do the signs look like. That's a biggie because maybe maybe don't want it. I know. Well, so at least you and Sheila will be on the email and and if if I get
a picture of the sign and she circulates it to you guys and you will hate it, they won't become Boy Scout signs. The um the email though as far as the grants that wasn't just limited to signs though, there were match grants for um
preservation grant program. Okay. Yeah. So um I I don't know if there's any development on that. you I think was something that you wanted to talk about during um the only other grant that I know $8,000 award for painting of bsentennial hall that's the county regrant fund
so that um that uh we applied last year and we were awarded and that's going to help fund the yeah there the regrant uh fund is up again no you can't apply for more than 10,000 and I had this conversation with Chris doesn't think
applying two years in a row knowing you haven't allocated the I mean we've allocated but we haven't spent the 8,000. So we think the best chance of the burough fair getting any money is for the historic association to apply. A not for-p profofit historic association is a grantable organization as well. So,
right, the board voted to um put forth an application to help fund the cost of the website and archive and um look for seed money for the century plaque program. I
don't know anything about how much that costs or you know, but it would have to live digitally on a website. So, these things they kind of all go together. We'll probably eventually have to buy more plaques. Hope does some of that information I I I we can talk about it offline, but
I assume there's some sort of application process that was Yeah, I was hoping to talk to Alisa about it because I know she last meeting, which I guess was in August, she had an application that she had prepared. I found an old application. Very simple. Um and I have plaques. I
have probably 10 of them. It's got at least 10 of them. Yeah. All right. Great. Glass. They're like nice. Like nice, very solid, heavy. Yeah. And I want to get like when we had the uh 250 association meeting, I want to make sure that that is up and running, you
know, before 2026 that we have that program going. Yeah. The board is fully endorsed it and um you can be sure at least the historic association, you're you're getting it. Yeah. And then to me, the applicants that come before you, you just make sure
they're aware and simple application process if they'd like it and and then historic like we'll work together on that. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's maybe something that as since it's a quasi government body, we would grant it, but you know, maybe the leg work is done by
the association or a combination of both. That's fine. Yeah. Sort out. Um, okay. Great. Public private. Love it. All right. So, moving ahead, I think we'll leapfrog the cap stand for this month.
I don't have anything for you on that. Looking majestic is always It's looking good where um 21 Fairherry Road. Any movement or changes on that? Um then u we're anticipating when when the work has been awarded for the what we've been calling site
stabilization which will involve removal of the structure and the crazy debris that's around there and some grading and basically uh cleaning it up. Um the next step is a a kickoff meeting
with the contractor who's not available yet because they're finishing up another job as is the way. And um there will be communication of course because we know we have some asbests. So there's rules we have to follow the public to be
assured that those steps are being taken. um that where we're at right now, we know that we can expect to hear from the county on a potential award for that $500,000 grant before the end of the year. Oh, great.
It's usually around October, November. Um and then once we hopefully are awarded that those funds will you know immediately retain the professionals that we need to do the proper planning
analysis concept plan and then um again more community engagement at both of those phases. Okay. Um, is there any kind of thought that has gotten like any kind of a program like they have like benches that like have people's names like
fundraising efforts things of that nature like they did at the the end of in Normandy with uh I mean specifically as it relates to 21 or more broadly well well anywhere I guess in particular but for the 21 fair giving road you know as a fun as an additional fundraising element you know if you have a bench and
it's dedicated loving memory up to somebody like that as I know that's sort of a nominal element I know it's kind of early on, but is that has there been any thought on that because that is a revenue generating thing and there's a lot of interest in that. No, it's a good point. The um so there's
a beautifification committee that really wants to see a grant a bench program like you're describing created. Um they've got to come to council and get it approved. I don't you know what does a bench look like? What are the what's the criteria for placement? And
there's probably a little bit more to it than I don't know what they've developed if but I know they're talking about it. Um, as it relates to 21, I I think as you said, it's premature because it would depend on what kind of park it is.
And I mean I the broad consensus is that this is a passive park, but there's lots of versions of a passive park. um and what seating and other apartments would be selected would be based on the design and the overall look of it and what so
we don't know yet what a bench would look like but theoretically some of them could be sponsored as it's potentially possible we certainly will not have enough money with this if we got even if we got all
the money that we asked for sponsor pavers too and pavers could be sponsored too. Yeah. But, you know, I look at it like this. The county and that open space fund is obviously made possible through tax dollars. Everybody's taxes a piece of it
goes to the county who then stewards those funds and reallocates them for open space acquisition and stewardship now for the county. So, those are they're our funding partner. Um, and if we don't have enough money now, which I know we don't, but you know, we need to
continue to ask for more money to properly complete a a nice a nice park. There was another L, another item. Um, we passed the um,
well, no, we have Hagerty 27 Normandy Avenue. Um, any show, have you ever received any kind of court communication from that? I have not. Okay. That's the u an application I was heard before is that we sort of dictator
window and that doesn't necessarily seem like it's been complied with. Um so I'll have to we'll look into that in terms of what type of what we're going to do as far as uh getting them before us again or seeing what the
circumstances. I suspect people are living there although it looks like there's still construction that's ongoing. Did you already communicate with them? I did send send an email just uh you know telling them that this was an issue but it was a general email and I did not get a response back
just in terms of protocol when you do communicate with the applicant. Do you copy um Chris York? I don't know that I I copied Chris York. Um I think I copied you Sheila and I don't know if you copied anybody else. Probably goes back to this
all specific. It's something to consider if it isn't normally done. Um because obviously we're a whole government. This is a piece and he's lead staff for all the stuff. So um it's his job to ensure that
you know if there's a deviation um he'd probably I can't speak for him but get it to the right people rather. Yeah. Because there turns into an enforcement issue. and they are the ones that have acted on this place in the past. So that's where and they work for us
technically. Yeah, that's where I think there was some um emails from construction regarding permits. I think that's where those that that came out. Does that sound that you and I may have been on? What's the date on the emails? I haven't
fallen up yet. So, refresh my memory. What was the the concern on the window? Remember, there were the divided light windows. I don't think I have them at my fingertips right now. We'll uh we can address this next the next meeting. The um we'll keep it on as
an old business item. um the divided light windows and they replace windows and um they didn't use the divided light. Oh. Yeah. Typical mountains. Yeah. Yeah. And then we they kind of went MIA
on but in terms of not responding and like that uh the email indicating that uh then moving on it has opportunity for um the local fair preservation awards i.e. Murphy's Tam Rson, New Jersey. I
think those one of your things. Yeah, I we don't have to talk too long about it. Basically, the Rumson doesn't have a commission and association way we do. And they it's I saw this on Facebook as I school. They they awarded it just wasn't a 100th century award. It was
just a um historical preservation award to Murphy's Tavern. It was a simple little plaque. And I looked at that and I thought, I wonder if outside of the Fairman district um if there's an opportunity for this body to do something similar
if there's house on Harvard, if there's I don't I don't even know what it would be, but an opportunity to rec historic district because the historic district obviously asked for a charter gets all our attention, but um we also want to
recognize if there are people that just do something that because they want to preserve their historic nature whether it's a century home or not whether it's like the green book house is an interesting example of that actually. Um what does the Murphy what does the plaque say on the
so simple it just just says uh I think she I sent out the picture of it right to you. Yeah. It just says uh Rumson Historic Preservation Award and it has a symbol of Rumson in the middle. I don't even think it says Murphy's Tavern. I think it's just a
um generic thing. And then Murphy's Tavern put that on their Facebook page said, "Thank you to." Right. Right. Yeah. Look, I you know, you've been championing this issue for a long time now. Um and I, you know, there's for things that are historically significant. I
think that um yeah, I I would not see any problem. It's within technically our charter as you have interpreted it which I I think any reason but I think there's other priority obviously we have to get through the the items that Tracy's mentioned for the 250th what I'm broken
I know the uh the old yes on is that the one on camp yes yes that's a great example of Kemp and that so maybe similar to the way Tracy's been getting a list maybe what I can do is come up you know
wonderful renovation of that house. Yeah. And I don't know if this would be like an annual thing that we would do. Um or as be something that we would would they apply for it. Don't even know. All I know that's pretty cool. Sure. They give it to him. Hey, they gave Murphy Murphy was speak
easy. So they thought we can do something with that. So that's I don't you know the centric home thing I think is a great thing and that that's obviously outside of the district and you're right. Correct. Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that to spare the commission from having to
organize receptions and events, um, unless you want to, of course, support whatever you want to do, we need to have more than four people. That's the first thing. Um, yeah, we maybe we should discuss that. But, um, where I was headed was
there's obviously an annual Gordon party. the historic association um intends to especially once bsentennial hall feels done to host um at least two offerings of some kind a year and those
can include recognition. Yeah. two historic places and century they could, you know, it could be together. The century plaque recogna in 2026, for example, can would be invited, photographed.
It's an easy way to have as a theme for an associate function, you know. Yes, we're having this function, you know, to honor so and so who's being awarded. Yes. Gives you a reason to have a function. So, and it's a it's like a program element of of uh of like a little
reception. So, anyway, I'll offer that as um um one member of the board, too. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I agree. Sounds good. Any thoughts or comments on any of these issues? I just wanted to go back to I was able
to pull up those emails about Heerty. Chris York was copied. As for you, Tracy, it was an exchange with the construction department where they had the open permits that they would like to close. Um,
the last note I think was uh maybe AR just saying that we would uh try to see that a site visit was conducted to determine the status of the window placement. Did they respond at all? That was the
last um I think Art maybe said that you were going to look into this. Yeah. And I I think I you did and uh there was no change in the windows. So we did we were able to search and see if I have any
like end of July and that's kind of the last Katie, how did you like the Did you read that little uh brochure that I I dropped off Bear Haven?
Oh, yeah. They were very cool. Very cool. It I thought it was really fine. Yes. And it was uh the the men's the men's it was like the the basketball team. Yeah. It was was not very nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Okay. So, yeah. July 21st there was
a I responded indicating that a site visit would be done and it doesn't look like there was but I didn't know that I reached out to her. So, if I remember correctly, it was like the window work had already been done. She
was going to look into um putting those mountains on. Yeah. Well, that's exactly what after. Exactly. That's where it all right. Um but no, we never she never got back to us with anything on that.
I will prepare something for that to be sent by you should by the commission. So, more informal. Yeah. You know, since this is still kicking around. Okay. So, in um 2024, this time last
year, I don't think I was your um the uh Laura, do you remember when we maybe I wasn't? Remember when we wanted um Mark Pav
to do the maintenance um plan? Yes. And instead Laura got that job. Yes. Do you can you recall the document? Did did everyone does everyone feel like they saw it? So,
it's only a few pages, but it's a Yeah, we were presenting that. Um, some that'll give us some insight into this next piece of work. Like in the absence of a complete list, I can
make sure you guys see that the photos and then it's good. You'll have a representative at the meeting and then eventually all the documents will get here for you guys to metabolize.
Metab Okay. Um any thoughts, comments, audience, commission, anything from me on Zoom? She um I make a motion that we approve the minutes from
August. Well, no, from July, right? July the second. Um, Art, you were not at that meeting, so Oh, okay. Um, I think you still do the motion, but then you would have state.
I'll have the search. I don't think I was empty. Who ran the meeting? Oh, okay. Wait. No, he's absent. Sorry. My bad. No, I was there. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Yeah, I know. I was Jay ran it.
Okay. I was there. Were you with Oh, very. Yes. Another one that J. Yes. And I
just for the typo, you have Oh, Chris. Yeah. Not Chris. What page? On page three. Business. I'll make that adjustment.
That's a good pickup. Very good. We all have one application. Beginnings to be long. I was like and the leaves on and the Oh, do you have anything to add? Only we had a garden party. Yes. And it went very very well.
Right. Between the raindrops, I correct. Um the it was Melissa Schllesman and um her team did a great job. Raised the net seems the numbers seem very good. Oh, really? Really good. Slightly over last year's.
Yeah. Oh, excellent. I think the rain forced a lot of camaraderie and people assembling under the eaves and people and and the selection of the um the auctional items was terrific. Um and there was a lot there was a healthy
interest. I mean you picked that up right and why the mission and why it was important to raise those funds and lots of new faces saying right. It was a good day. It was a good event. So went really well. And you know there was a fairly
prominent wedding that happened prominent in terms of pe like two different families that married. So a lot of people had and then say like last year again that was like the same weekend is that's problematic wedding weekend.
So I guarantee that there would have been another 25 30 people maybe 20. You need to reach out to anyone getting married that weekend. Yeah. Maybe put a special announcement at their wedding. I know September in New Jersey is glorious. So yeah,
great. That's always the man uh classic longboard contest. The same day. Yeah. Motion to close. Second vote.
Thank you, Tracer.