on time all right so we'll uh we'll open the meeting um this is a regular meeting of the Fair Haven Planning Board adequate notice of this meeting has been given pursuant to the provisions of the Open Public Meetings Act at the time of the board reorganization in January of this
year the board adopted its regular meeting schedule for the year notice of the schedule was sent to and published in the Asbury Park Press on January 31st 2025 and the Two River Times on January 23rd 2025 that notice was also posted on the
bulletin board in Burough Hall and has remained continuously posted there as required by the statute a copy of the notice is and has been available to the public and is on file in the office of the burough clerk a copy of the notice has also been sent to members of the public as have requested such
information in accordance with the statute adequate notice having been given the board secretary is directed to include this statement in the minutes of this meeting uh we'll move to uh to roll call mush here mr olsen
mr mr newell here mr pow here mr ro here mr na here here mr vansman mr bailey here okay so uh we need all rise to speak to
the flag pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all so welcome to our meeting um we'll
start real quick with the administrative items and uh and get those out of the way the first is the approval of the February 18th 2025 regular meeting minutes uh those were distributed uh to the board um you know in advance of the meeting i didn't have any comments i
wanted to make sure nobody else on the board had any comments a motion to approve second second yes mr yes Mr yes Mr anderson yes Mr bailey
yes okay we also have the the February 18th 2025 executive session minutes again those were distributed ahead of the meeting i didn't have any comments i didn't know if anybody else did motion to approve
second mrs bush yes mr yes mr yes yes yes mr anderson yes mr bailey yes okay so um we'll move to to new business
now um so we're going to hear today uh planning board 24-02 Sandy Hook Seafood 615 and 619 River Road block 25 lot 10.01 and 11 in zone B-1
uh and so before we start um before we start the um the hearing uh there is a um an attachment to the um to the materials that were distributed uh or or I'm sorry that was distributed late and
so was not in the email um there are three companies listed on the uh appendix or on the additional page and so um we just want to make sure that obviously nobody on the board has any ownership interests or other conflicts
with those with those entities before we get started that the uh gold HDI holding those owners of property and the applicant this evening
is Sandy Hook C3 LLC you have those individuals that have interest in that company just want to make sure since we didn't have that preliminarily that has a conflict with that if there are no conflicts then fine we can just put that down um anything else no so I I think uh
before we get started um we'll we'll again we'll have uh Mr kovatz just summarize real briefly what what what we are um what we are hearing here today and what the board's role is in uh in this application sure just before we get
that miss also we have jurisdiction in this matter yes okay um this is a cycling application i think there are some sign variances and I think there is one technical variance just okay it's just
me talking um there's one technical variance to the extent on the uh lot coverage where uh it's a technical variance to the extent that they are seeking 98% where 80% should not be exceeded but that's actually an
improvement of the existing condition which at that point on that model is 100% so this is basically a site plan to reconfigure portions of lot 10.01 and that's 619 River Road to establish a sea food retail market with
eight seats for indoor dining plan proposes to retain three existing commercial tenants on the site uh the uh pool company uh office and storage within that company and the hardware store and I guess the convenience store
on the other lot um it was basically there were pre-existing uh variances existing conditions the applicant is entitled to in a sense enjoy the benefit of that with the understanding that previously those
variances were granted and the applicant established its burden with regard to those there are also some waivers that the applicant is seeking um some are to check those waiverss some I believe are some design waivers i'll let u our engineer address those and those that
he's recommending to you um as to the variance there's still a technical variance as I said before it's either the C1 or the C2 criteria depending on what the applicant wants to present to the board c1 as we've
discussed before and as is referenced in the planners report C1 is the classically known as the hardship variance uh in that scenario the applicant has to demonstrate that the strict application of the regulation would result in particular and
exceptional practical difficulties or exceptional and undue hardship um due to one of the following that's either topographic conditions physical features uniquely affecting that property or buildings already existing on the site and by reason of an extraordinary and
exceptional situation unique to the effect of this property um the law allows those structures to exist and the again can demonstrate that the hardship is there positive criteria to C2 this what is known as flexible C this is the applicant must demonstrate that there is
a benefit a public benefit derived from deviations and that such deviations would not merely advance the purposes of the owner in other words that there is a beneficial use to the uh to the surrounding properties not merely the advancement of the owner's interest uh
in both instances the negative criteria must be established that the applicant satisfies the posit once they've satisfied the positive criteria must also demonstrate that the granting of the variance can be accomplished without resulting in substantial detriment to the public good and without substantial
impairment of the intent and purpose of the zone ordinance and his own plan that's substantial detriment because obviously the heavy variance is a it's technically a detriment to the the zone design regulations uh that's your application this evening and with your
permission I can just simply mark exhibits okay that's fine if I can go yeah i just want to put my appearance in in case you have any questions jennifer Krimco for the law firm advanced so grimar here on behalf of the applicant um I had a little bit to add to your
opening that you just shared spiritually wait until after you mark the Yes my opening you get to do your own okay well you did such a good job that uh you know I just had a little bit to add um if I could just first bring up all of your witnesses and our witnesses also
anybody that's going to testify think they're going to testify have something to say so that you're not left shouting in the back of the audience i can just ask everybody to swear up stand up if it's going to be sworn also you too swear you in too you solemnly swear
that testimony swear or affirm that testimony you give before the board of be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth i do yes i do i do i do my general My general counsel to each of you um everybody can sit down my general counsel is once you're called is before
you start testifying state your name for the record spell your last name provide a business or or home address whatever address that way the record can identify you should it ever become necessary that way the transcribe record will know who who was speaking at that time with your
permission Mr kmco I'd like to mark as A1 the copies of the planning board application inclusive of the list of variances notice uh for the hearing um tax collector certification
um and also the completed land use application checklist so we're going to using your letter items one and skipping over item two item three all marked as one a2 will be a copy of the zoning officer's denial letter of March 13
2024 a3 will be 15 copies of the topographic plan prepared by Thomas Santry Jr uh dated January 17 2024 a4 will be 15 will be the will be the minor site plans
prepared by Kennedy Consulting LLC revised to a date of I think this is the latest date of March 11 2024 i think that's the latest yes if that's what was in my letter uh then yes that was the latest one um
actually it's December 5th 2024 is that what you had indicated no I think you had an updated one March 11 this is these are the minor site plans by K this is the this is the updated one so the the latest submission that came in I believe was through Kennedy's office letter December 16th 2024 are you
reading from a more recent letter no I'm referring to the plans themselves no understood and but my letter that you're reading from what's the date on that march 11 2024 march 11 2024 of his plan your dated
letter is April 9 2024 yeah no so that is not the most recent one okay there's uh the revised plans are revised through December 5th 2024 and I can certainly hand you a copy of this this is
No I believe what you're saying okay no I'm saying so you could read from it okay um I'm I'm working off of your April 9 2020 floor plan letter right and we made a resubmission after that in December uh A5 will be the floor plans i
have a revised date to November 22 2024 that's correct i have the uh photos what I refer to as images of the property i think there are two images um conditions in and about the neighborhood i don't believe they will
mark the dates i have in marches A6 a7 are copies of the Fair Haven Planning Awards resolution granting minor site plan approval together variances and improvement of sign applications which were memorialized January 5 2000 i also
have A8 the Mammoth County development review memo of April 8 2024 i've also marked as PB1 the February 12 2025 completeness review of the signature of Mr gardella um and we'll
also have PB2 March 10 2025 plans report over the signature of Donna Miller who's present here and also PB3 the uh March 18 2025 engineering report over the signature of Mr gardella that you received today are there any other
exhibits that you want to be there there are and I just want to clarify the two photos you were talking about is this it yes okay so these are the signed plans and that's December 5th 2024 and Andy we have some uh exhibits to hand out and I'll give you this and then I'll
explain what it is and I'll give you a little bit more background this is a site plan rendering dated today we're up to 89 right and it is a color rendered overlay over a an aerial exhibit but it also incorporates some changes that we made
in response to Rich's letter today which we'll go over could you just remind me what A5 was a5 is the floor plans prepared by fulfilling existing and prepared conditions of November 22 2024 so this
is A9 anything else that's all let me get out of your way thank you Mr chair may I yes okay thank you um so this board is relatively familiar with this site it's two lots uh that are
adjacent to each other and operate as a single site it's lot 10.01 101 which has a Krowers on it which you're familiar with and lot 11 which has a multi-tenanted building that uh has a pool company as well as a hardware
storage in there and when the applicants prior applicants I was not involved came before this board there was a condition that any future uh that the deed restriction needed to be recorded against the property that any change of use would require return to the planning
board i've learned that the deed restriction had not yet been um recorded so obviously as a condition of this approval uh we've worked with the owner now and he's in agreement that we will record that additionally and interestingly that what I discovered as
I uh came here the two entities that own these properties are interrelated so there wasn't really a need to have cross access easements between the two but obviously for the board's purposes and to ensure that in the future this will always operate as a single site and that
there will not be any problems we've offered as part of our application to impose cross access and parking easement agreements between the two properties so if one of them are ever sold you have some control over that that uh document would be submitted to Mr kovat for his
review and approval to make sure that everything that the board would be concerned with uh would be protected so that in and of itself is a great benefit uh to the bureau that doesn't exist today uh but that's just for starters we had the uh opportunity and Mr chair you
were there to meet in a technical review meeting uh with the board's professionals uh and we heard a lot of the concerns and then we further got the review letters and and as you're going to hear through the testimony uh we can pretty much comply with everything in
Rich's letter uh save for a few items which I've discussed with Rich in advance of this uh and our exhibit shows some of those proposals by way of just very quick background what we're proposing to do is to relocate the pool company towards the
rear of the property and with their sign next to it and have the 2300 square ft in the front be the Sandy Hook Seafood Market i'm going to hear one of the partners who uh owns it uh offer some background with regard to that there was uh it indicated there were seats for
dining but it's not a restaurant and we're going to demonstrate that to you today which is why we use the retail parking we do not need a variance for parking uh using the retail and using the uh calculations that Rich had us advise so I know that that was a
mouthful to get started but I just wanted you to know that we've heard all of the comments and concerns from the professionals as well as the technical review and we're prepared to address all of them at tonight's meeting terrific great so I'd like to first call Mr berman how are you he was sworn
but you'll have a seat uh Luke Bowlerman 209 Queens Drive South i live in Little Silver um and I will give you a little background about the application um last name is Bowlerman B O L L E R M and it's 209 Queenies Drive
South in Little Silver i'd like to first start by thanking you all very very much um it's the chair the officials of Fair Haven Mr gardella and the rest of the folks here tonight supporting this application uh we're very very pleased to be able to bring Sandy Hook seafood the concept of
Sandy Hook seafood to Birmingham uh we hope to make an impact of the local community by providing fresh locally forks sourced seafood with the introduction of Sandy Hook seafood uh a chef inspired market uh my name is Luke Bolman i'm a local real estate developer and entrepreneur i live in Little Silver
i also owned and developed Sandy Hook Bay Marina and one Willow and Highlands uh I am representing Sandy Hook seafood on behalf of my p my partner Kyle Hops Spennberger who's here um he is the founder and owner of Second Jetty in Sebrite uh over many many years uh One
Willow and Second Jetty have collaborated uh to bring the finest seafood offerings in Mammoth County something we're quite proud of um the next evolution of our partnership uh was to open a small seafood market uh that could serve our customers outside of the restaurant um our chefs who are going to
be in the store regularly hope to inspire people to be healthy fresh seafood with a specific focus on the local fishery uh we have partnerships with the famed Fulton Fish Market we work very very closely with local fishermen and purveyors uh to source and offer the highest quality products in
the store uh we regularly buy um blue fin tuna um and there's nothing that compares to the type of freshness that we hope to offer our clients and we take great pride in what we do um certainly so sourcing local bluefin tuna is a is a treasure it's a local treasure it's
something very very special to New Jersey and we take great pride in it um and quite frankly we we as as customers also have been quite disappointed with the uh seafood quality in local stores uh there's a lot of farmed raised imported and quite frankly junk on the shelves um and this was the impetus for
us to start a chef inspired market where customers can come into the store and confidently purchase seafood and work with chefs in the store to craft quality meals for their families we've been evaluating locations for quite some time and we feel that downtown Fair Haven is the perfect location for both proximity
to our customers and also for local foot traffic uh the store will offer things like uh local bluefin tuna salmon halibit caviar oysters lobsters shrimps platters and catering uh we also uh of course highlight New Jersey clams out of Sandy Hook Bay which are which are local
specialty and uh we also have some other great products uh culinary products that our chefs have developed uh things like steam pots um and some other wonderful things um we also offer tools of the trades in the store so when you walk into the store we plan to offer things
like pots pans spices produce uh and offer techniques from the chefs one will alone and second jetty it's not just a fish market chef inspired market which will give people the confidence to come in order the products that they want and create wonderful uh wonderful meals for their families so you may notice the
application has some seating inside of the store and we'd like to clarify that this is not a restaurant there's no sit down full service dining we can see one Willow and Second Jetty for that the purpose is to offer convenience seating for grab-and-go customers for people wanting to be served and for any of our customers who require seating this will
be a true market very similar to assembling a pasta shop right down the road we anticipate having a maximum of two to four employees at the store in any given time during normal business hours of 10:00 a.m to 6 p.m there will likely be two people in the staff at any given time a store manager and a chef
and we anticipate very early morning deliveries between 5 and 7:00 in the morning to receive most of our goods uh for seafood and produce and most of the vehicles for those kinds of deliveries are not large trucks they're smaller passenger vans small box trucks and cargo bins uh we mostly utilize smaller
purveyors um in order to support the local ecosystem of Mammoth County um other farms and other local purveyors uh you'll hear testimony from our craft professional team and we're here to answer any questions you might have about the application again thank you so much for your time and considering this application and we look forward to being
a part of fair thank any questions for uh Mr bowman recognizing that the engineer is going to go through where the deliveries are going to take place and all of the technical details over this time what was the timeline again produce and seafood delivered at 5:00 to 7:00 a.m
and then store open 10 to 6 that's right yes sir and sometimes they'll come earlier do we do we know what the uh the the trucks or the vans for the pool company when they come in and we do we're going to be able to offer that testimony
through our engineer great and just so the board chair knows as a preview because he was on the call there was been some concerns about the trucks all over the property as you're going to see on the exhibit we're now going to have a dedicated loading area for those trucks so we're going to ensure that the
site can operate multi-tenented because everyone's going to have their own spot rich do you want to get started with your uh they may have additional Yeah it's It wouldn't be for It wouldn't be for this guy he's only here for his looks
the engineer will give all the technical details and we hope to hit everything in Rich's letter in the process no more questions for me great thank you thank you all right next one up in the hot seat
should I set up this full size board somewhere like in the middle sure we may want to also make sure whoever that everybody can see it wherever wherever is best this the side here so everyone can see well I just want the public to be able to see did we I mean we all have
we have Did you hand out the small size to the public i mean you set that up i'll do that i'm setting this up correct yeah the same why don't you set that up will there be a Monday
[Laughter] and just so the public knows what we're putting up here is just Okay so Andy you were sworn at the beginning why don't you state your name and your qualifications and we'll uh take a moment to offer your background to the board certainly uh good evening
everyone my name is Andrew R co MI i'm with Kennedy Consulting Engineers 211 Maple Avenue Redbank New Jersey uh I am a graduate of Ruckers University in the field of civil engineering i have 20 years experience
in land development engineering projects and I am a licensed New Jersey professional engineer we'd submit him as an expert okay so Andy why don't we start with um what's existing on the site go into what we're proposing and then we'll hit all
the changes that we're making to address the concerns from the technical review as well as Rich's letter okay certainly uh so utilizing the the exhibit that I handed out uh which is entitled site plan rendering prepared by Kennedy
Engineers March March 18th 2025 uh the project site was highlighted in red consists of two lots totaling 0.629 acres and lies in the B1 zoning district the smaller lot to the west is
lot 11 of block 25 also known as 615 river you'll hear me refer to 615 the building 615 building and the 619 building uh that that property lot 11 is 0.22 22 acres has a 4,500 foot
singlestory commercial building 3,700 square feet of which is is for the two two river pool company and 800 square f feet at the rear of the uh the building is is leased to the fair haven hardware store or storage
warehouse uh the larger lot uh to to the east which is lot 10.01 of lot 25 also known as 619 river is 0.48 408 acres and has a two 2200 foot uh convenience store
uh the the project site surrounded by River Road to the south commercial properties to the east and west and residential properties uh to the northwest on Navisync Avenue uh the site's access from River Road the curb cut is uh very large approximately 57 uh
feet in width and a shared driveway exists between the two buildings uh there are some striped parking spaces in front of the convenience store and some at the rear of the 615 uh building 17 existing uh striped spaces in total
however the majority of the paved areas on site and behind the convenience store are unstriped and that's a big part of what what we're proposing uh I'll move on to the proposed uh conditions and I would just ask the board I know we don't have it up on the board but A5 is the
floor plan that we moved in showing existing and proposed as he's talking about the building I think it might be helpful to just look at it that's where I'm referring to the the different tenant spaces so for the 615 River Road
building now if you look on that that floor plan exhibit in the proposed condition the 4500 square foot uh building would be divided into three tenant spaces the front of the building would be 2,300 square feet and that would be for the San Diego Seafood
Market the middle portion of the building will be for for the Two River Pool Company that's 1,400 square ft and 800 ft of storage space at the rear of the building would would remain for the hardware correct okay and with respect
to parking uh the existing uh drive aisles and parking areas will will be restriped uh to create designated parking spaces 25 in total uh between the two buildings between the two lots and importantly right now and I know you had said it but there's only striping in front of
the Krowers really and some uh next to the pool company building where we're going in otherwise it's a free-for-all particularly behind the Krowers essentially yes and and and and and many of the spaces behind the 615 building are handling spaces which we're
attempting to eliminate okay so what we're doing is we're creating safe circulation to find aisle widths and uh access ways between as well as the parking spaces you said it very very well um so so the of the 25 total spaces that includes the restriping of the
existing uh five spaces in front of the convenience store eight spaces on lot 11 for the 615 river building uh are proposed two two of which are designated for employees you see those are those are striped employees only uh and an
additional uh 12 spaces behind the convenience store are also proposed uh the parking requirement for all four uses on the site is is 24 so we meet that parking requirement for the site in total okay uh plus plus uh one plus one
additional um I'll also note that the creation of a dedicated uh barrierfree uh parking space on lot 11 with with striped access to the front entrance of that building 615 River Road is also proposed where where one doesn't exist
today uh with respect to entrance improvements I mentioned that the uh the site is currently has a 57 foot wide uh curb cut uh both Mammoth County and and Mr gardella both both requested that that entrance be uh narrowed for for
safety and and currently cars enter the site have to contend with convenience store cars backing out of the parking spaces that creates a very uh accident prone situation so to to to remedy that situation we're proposing to narrow the
uh the existing driveway width to 30 feet from 57 feet by extending the uh island in front of the convenience store so we'll we'll do that both with curbing pavers and possibly some some additional landscaping as as uh we we'll get
to with respect to uh loading the pool company i'll go through each of the businesses ju just just briefly i know we touched on the seafood market uh deliveries but as far as the pool company uh that currently receives deliveries three times a week in the afternoon uh deliveries are made with
with trucks no larger than a 30-foot uh box truck but that's the first first of two uh small changes on this rendering versus the submitted plan uh we we show one Go ahead i'll show Yeah we show a 12 foot by 32 foot loading space in the uh
northeast corner of of the property behind uh the convenience store and that would be for for loading trucks and that would be for larger trucks obviously a smaller truck if the space is open they could pull into the space so those are the deliveries correct for the pool company correct what about the like does
the the cool company get vans of their employees to come in pick stuff up and then go out to different jobs when does that happen there's pickup trucks that they have and uh a lot of them uh are some are kept at home some are kept on
site and they would drive in pick up their truck load up and and head out and when does that happen normally generally excuse me from 8 to 9:00 a.m we identify that person no I'll I'll offer it from 8 to 9:00 a.m i can certainly move him in
after you want me to do it now i'd just like to Well if he's hollering answers that you're taking I'd like him sworn in please sure i didn't know he was testifying that's That's okay that's fine we'll take care of it your name guy Henderson mr henderson you saw me spare
the testimony give me the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth yes I do okay can you spell your last name for correct mr henderson henderson h E N D E R S O N okay mr anderson you're the owner of the pool company yes and you're also the owner uh stepson yes okay so
it's a family affair we have there uh when when your guys come to load up what time do they load up uh we're in by 8 every morning um and usually we're out at the latest by 9:00 a.m okay so it wouldn't interfere with the operations
of the fish market correct okay okay u moving on to so we talked about the loading space uh the seafood market i want to just one other change that we didn't show here but Rick had Rich had not had noted that you have a master plan section with regard to
transportation and it's a recommendation it's not a requirement and we looked at it and this is a county road so we can't do anything without going to the county but there were some things that I talked to Rich about before the uh hearing which we can do and one of them is in
this area where we're widening the um the island we can add landscaping the buffer landscaping is suggested by your master plan so I just I want that was one of the changes that we added and and Rich had offered that I'm sorry your master plan suggests that we also add a
little landscape island here but that's our um pedestrian access so we can't do that and and just to clarify these are recommendations based off the active transportation plan the 2017 so So while they're not on here what we are offering to do is is the buffering
in the front and then the uh high visibility striping if the county allows us the county allows you can give us dimensions of that at that point in time yes and we would do it pursuant to this plan it's it's all spelled out exactly
what it should be so yes we would so as a condition absolutely if the board approves us so I just I didn't want to move on uh until we address it it's not on the plan but we've agreed to do that uh one question uh for Mr henderson what what is the um the end of day schedule
for you as compared to the fish markets operating hours yeah that's a good question normally uh our days end about 400 pm 4 p.m um so normally guys bring back their trucks they clock out and hit the road and get out [Music]
you'll be available to discuss other operations yep can I just ask one question about the entry way um was there any examination done and this may be impractical of the driveway being at the other end of the
property other side of the property and I only asked that because as the traffic converges there um it creates almost a four-way intersection with Cedar A and I'm not I don't want to you know dig into the impossible but I I guess has this been considered the county wouldn't
allow it because the driveway set back to the property line wouldn't conform we we've already I think that that Doug moved it in we've already been to the county yeah and they really are the ones that look at that issue and while they had some comments that was not one of
them right Andy right there was not and I I I know that it looks like a concern it's true it's true that typically they like driveways to line up and and create intersections it's actually a safer condition yeah exactly
that that specifically was was one thing they wanted to line the Cedar Avenue up with the driveway whereas today it has a wid it's almost double the width of Cedar Avenue so it's the containment of that driveway is is you know is is a a good starting point thank you thank you
yeah that's one of the toughest lefts to make turns to make out of Growers this was a light kind of decision it's not good all right uh just finishing up on the loading we talked about the pool company
the seafood market uh would be the deliveries would be made much earlier in the day 5 to 7 uh a.m there's a there's actually a 20 foot uh long striped loading space to the east of the 615 uh building where delivery trucks would
could park in that space larger trucks obviously could park in the dedicated loading space that that we're providing but uh I'm I believe those delivery trucks will be much much smaller as Mr bolman has has testified uh for the lastly for the convenience store deliveries uh would be made at the back
of the building and small trucks would park in either a parking space at the rear of that building or the new dedicated loading space so essentially we're well it has been somewhat haphazard we're actually cleaning it up and giving everybody a location to keep
it organized and safe that's correct uh moving on next proposed improvement uh with respect to trash and recycling at the rear of the 615 River Road building lot 11 uh the existing 30-yard dumpster that that exists would be removed and
just so the board knows in response to Rich's letter that was there because they're doing construction work in the site they're gutting the building so that's really just for the construction and to go on the boat's going to be removed that was the owner's boat and any excess pallets and the like all related to construction will be cleaned
up and and moved out okay uh so the two two existing parkland spaces uh would be removed and replaced with a a 12t by 18t trash enclosure surrounded with a 6ft high wooden fence and a double wooden gate at the front uh the enclosure would
house the two would house two dumpsters and like Miss Primco said any any pallets or other materials could be stored in that fenced in enclosure as well uh currently behind the convenience store there are two dumpsters and as requested by your engineer uh we agreed
to add a second fenced in trash enclosure in the same location that the dumpsters exist that could would contain the dumpsters and and the existing cooking oil container that that that's also behind the building and just to go one step further currently at I got up
the numbers what's one on the left 6 6:15 the one on 615 currently the burrow picks up that trash but once we have the dumpster we'll have that scheduled for private pickup so that'll be private pickup and to the extent that the trousers whatever have overflow garbage
once it's in the dumpster first of all it won't be unsightly uh I'm sorry in the enclosure but second of all we can increase the pickup time to ensure that that doesn't happen with a private hall we can increase that certainly um with respect to outdoor
storage a 16 foot by 18 foot outdoor storage area fenced in uh for the pool company is proposed which is highlighted in in red on the exhibit uh that enclosure would have a chain link fence surrounding it with a a six foot double
gate with a fabric awning above it uh currently pool chemicals are stored outside including chlorine salt calcium uh they would now be stored within that fenced in enclosure and that that gate would be locked so
there 16 by 18 roughly there's a it's a small it's the square is 16 by 18 and then there's a small little little piece below it was that depicted on your It's depicted in red on this rendering yes it's also on the site plan yes okay oh
yes this is not the only two new things are one we'll get to the other is the the loading area this is a new This is not new this is on the site oh wait time out it's new over what's there today it's not new over what was on the site plan that was submitted
what is the difference between is it structure and what exists at at present there's a smaller fenced in enclosure today we're going to be expanding that that that structure further to the east okay so you're a little more storage space all
right so all so all right and the existing one is not covered where this proposed one would be covered okay thank you and and just again before we move off of it Rich had pointed out that the prior owner is required to uh retain the safety data sheets for the various
chemicals and we do have those on site and they are available that for whoever wants to see you're not I'm not going to tell you how to do your hearing but it may be helpful later on at least to just go through each of those items and as well as the planners items to
these for us as the ability to do that you know what's in what's out or what's We will it's just as we're talking about and it's relevant i'm just noting it okay thank you uh briefly a bicycle rack is proposed on the easterly side of the 615 building uh the board planner had
made a suggestion uh as to the style and of course we'll we'll work to submit something that's agreeable by by everyone well we'll submit what the planner had suggested right okay okay because I
don't know who everyone is uh with moving on to landscaping at the uh rear or the northwest corner of the site behind the 615 uh building a 5 foot wide strip of existing pavement is proposed to be moved about 200 square
feet uh in total and that area will be planted with a line of evergreen trees about 10 in total uh we proposed arborite but uh board planner had made a suggestion for a more uh deer res resistant species which of course we we
will update on the next uh plan resubmission uh with respect to lighting can I a question on landscaping um does that wrap around on the north side or does it stop is it just on no you know it stops at at an existing uh line of I
think Leland Cypress some more blockage for it kind of i'm glad you mentioned that because it kind of creates like a per like a a solid screening in the back there and you're we're almost at the highlight which is our rain garden which is going in there which is further
reducing the coverage over what's existing today i I'll jump I'll jump to that um so just with respect to storm water management uh the existing site uh almost entirely is impervious surfaces as you're aware and that drains to to
river road uh so to the second plan change shown on this rendering we're proposing a slight uh reduction in we're already proposing a slight reduction in impervious coverage which I mentioned uh which will which would reduce the peak runoff rates uh leaving the property but
in in discussion with your engineer we're proposing a rain garden at the rear of lot 11 which would be roughly 400 square feet that shown as a green square behind the 615 uh building it's very similar in size I think to the uh
to the rain garden on on this municipal lot that was recently uh installed and that will be planted with wet tolerant uh perennial plantings we would also divert uh a roof drain at the rear of the 615 building to the rain garden so in addition to simply removing some uh
existing asphalt we would you know we would provide some uh peak runoff attenuation to reduce the flows leaving leaving the site uh so we would uh there's actually an inlet on Ning Avenue not far away that we can connect an
overflow to so it kind of works out perfectly and we'll we'll submit all those details uh to the board on the next resubmission of plan when you say to the board engineer for his review and approval and that would address that one item that you said that you didn't think the board should grant a waiver to we're conceding and we're going to provide you
that and the landscaping obviously I'm not sure who would be the okay we'll submit the landscaping for the rain garden for the board planner to review and just keep in mind the the inlet that you're referenc to that's a recharge system
there's two inlets Rich is there is there one a curve inlet and one there's PE flat rate yes is are both both of them are recharge it's all recharge okay okay well we'll work with you to figure out the best way to I would think you want at least for emergency for your
rain garden so by by reducing the 400 square ft what percent are we knocking off plus the 200 that we're already doing but uh no no no but we submitted for a certain coverage i want to know what our coverage will be minus the 400
um what percent proposing 98 and now you're going further down right 400 is approx if you want it exactly I'll get a touch but it's about 5% of the of the 9,62 square foot lot so we're going down
lot 11 I'm only talking about lot 11 correct there's no lot lot coverage reduction for lot 10.0 so we're going down quite a bit from what's there today sorry those percentages again so it's it's 400 square feet and that takes away
5% of lot 11's per impervious coverage that's right and then because we are looking at this as two combined lots into one what is the percentage change have to get you want me to look at it in total ballpark yeah ballpark so we're
we're reducing uh 600 total the 200 that we were already reducing and uh 400 additional the total site is 27,000 square feet so we're looking at uh roughly you can get your calculator
what do you reducing it 600 total so,000 total no 600 600 it's No but he did say 600 plus 400 2 plus 4 no it's 600 total 600 total out of
27,000 cor 27 380 yes you see the Mr bailey as a calculator i just don't want to say we're 600 is like 2% so less than 2% for the $400
it wouldn't make sense if you were already reducing at 98 at the time the plan to look at it so in in total the that would be 2.2% of the of the total for both correct okay there's probably not many other options
right i'm assuming that that's this is best efforts to to to create that's some sort of storm water correct so right now it's it's at 100 on one and 97 something on the other and there is no storm water so what we're and that could stay forever so the benefit of
this application is you're getting more green albeit not as much as everybody might want but it it's more green and we're going to provide the storm water that doesn't exist there today uh quickly with respect to lighting uh three downward pointing LED
uh building mounted fixtures are proposed one uh at those are highlighted in with a red square that says actually a next to it uh on on each of the the two buildings we're providing one at the rear of each building and one on the east side of of the 615 River Road
building we'll provide the additional uh lighting calculations details and information to your uh board professionals to uh confirm that the lighting is in compliance with the ordinance so right now we were asking for a waiver but we'll make the adjustment to eliminate that waiver that's correct no no waiverss
required i will also add a note to the plans that the lights would be placed on timers and would be shut off one hour after closing that's typically what we would offer unless board has any other suggestions okay let's go back to signage
so and I just want the board to understand um the variances as they relate to signage are are one for the number of signs which we'll get into and the other because your ordinance says that the signs can't be in the setback
our building is in the setback so when Doug was talking about a hardship versus the flexible sea the variance for the signs being in the setback we have no choice that's where the building is so that's clearly a hardship and now if we can walk through the signage looking at
A6 in the front we're going to have the Sandy Hook Seafood sign which was recommended that instead of it being internally illuminated we're going to Your planner suggested that it be more characteristic of the neighborhood to do use light exterior lighting which we can
agree to uh and that's how many square feet 30 feet uh each huge sign no no no just the Sandy Hook sign is 30 square feet correct okay and that complies with the maximum allowed yes and then you may or
may not categorize it as a sign but as you know there's and the fact that there's a that there's an existing mural on the side of this building that is perfectly apppropo to this use i thought we were proposing it i didn't even realize that it existed there today uh
so similar to that the anchor on the front is really decorative yes but it's technically science i meant a fish i'm thinking ahead to the next thing i apologize yes the fish hook not the anchor
and can I ask a question as we look at this view here um is there a tree uh that is currently there yes that tree is going to stay right yes we're not we're not taking the tree down so this was a overlay oh
this was a rudimentary attempt to show you the building and the improvements that we're going to provide rather than going to a computer generally remembering yeah so that was just to show that we're painting it and putting the awnings on and what the signage look like and then if you flip
to the next page you see the um mural that I was discussing and you see the trucks parked randomly that will no longer be there um there was a pool company sign where we're just replacing it with a Sandy Hook Seafood sign same size and then we're just moving the pool
sign to identify the pool company all right so the rear of the building so there's no there's no like the hardship is because the it's in the setback but that's one obviously can't be helped and then number of signs I didn't get there yet okay sorry i didn't get there yet
that's what I was going to That's what I was going to go for so one of the things that is a public benefit is if something is a better zoning alternative than the uh what the ordinance says so your ordinance would actually allow more square footage of signage so we could
put a much bigger sign that would be unsightly a and less characteristic of the neighborhood on the front but what we're proposing to do is to break it down into smaller signs to help identify the different tenants so in our opinion
it's a better zoning alternative to have a few more smaller signs for this multi-tenanted building because as was pointed out by Miss Miller we meet the percentage so that's the C2 criteria as it relates to the signage so the and I
think that that was the extent of the variance relief as it relates to signage yes I believe so and in terms of aesthetics um the current uh you know this picture is it looks nice um in terms of the blue and the the cedar shake um the current uh I guess tile on
the front of the building looks like it's sort of the asphalt tile that's gray um will you be using you know will the you know be using new shake on there to match the color as depicted in the picture sorry could you just repeat your
question so so in the existing in the existing building there's sort of a gray asphalt yeah right is that so will that you know will we will there be shake that look similar to what's Absolutely it'll be it'll be characteristic of the shore area uh you know Stanford white cedar
shake and we propose putting nice cedar shake okay Canadian regular nice cedar shake if we're allowed to still get Canada if it's still affordable that's right so the
the this the sear shades is just for the roof barrier right correct yeah and then the rest and then you're going to paint the building right correct and we are proposing the awnings and we made sure that those awnings are over our property are in our property not over the property
additional signage awning is there any additional lettering or signage on the on the building any lights at the door like a wall back at the front door lighting the existing building has like to exist so we're not changing
what's kind um there is an iteration i believe it may have not been the gooseenecks if we're going to put the goosesenecks whatever fixtures we want to put on top of the building we carry that design out all the way through the entire building to make it design and aesthetically pleasing to have it uniform so we have a professional design team that we use on the exterior of the
building and uh they're going to be coming in and overseeing the entirety to make sure again it's commensurate with Stanford White Cedar shape um and and how we do things in B and one other question on the on that front step um is there anything that can be done to improve the front step in terms of the
distance from the you know the step to the to the you know the sill height um of the door um is is there any plans to you may not be able to adjust because this setback inside there there's no plans right now yeah can't do anything
about no and if we were going to adjust that let me see if that step is on our property or on the burough's property I'm guessing It's on the bar it is um Yeah it's on the bur's property so or the county's property I should say so we're going to prefer to just leave that
exactly mr y thank you well following Mr boa's suggestion from earlier which I promise you I was going to get to if we could now go through the letters and identify anything we didn't address and I I'll I'll start with
Rich's uh since it's more technical in nature so with regard to number one we agreed to comply with we've offered the testimony with regard to two three and four oh with regard to five so Andy
currently our pavement extends a little bit over our property line until uh 10 and we're not proposing to change that correct that's correct so to the extent that the board has any strong feeling about it and I discussed it with Rich we could make sure that at
least our striping stays on our property and then that way the parking spaces would be on our property we're not proposing to go onto our neighbor's property and remove pavement because we don't have the right to do that i'm not sure I understand
sorry about that so that the strip of arch number we four or five was five right five five yes okay this is referring to the strip of pavement a parking area that's over the property line onto lot 10 to the east just it's
only a up to two feet at the at the most over over the property line it's hard to see on the small exhibit I'm sure but Oh the red is the line correct and we're just not proposing to cut it back because it's not on our property but we
can make sure the striping is all on our property there's really there's two items the the encroachment that you talked about which I think pulling striping back makes sense just for future the other item is the the improvement
standards require parking to be set back off the side lot lines in accordance with the minimum yard requirements of accessory buildings well there's a hard check um it's a it's a design it's an
improvement standard it's not a it's not a variance condition and it right and we're not changing it because it's it's existing parking that was there i imagine it was striped at some point uh anyway to your point yes the if anything that's been assembled in the rear they
do park perpendicular along that line right so I I would argue it isn't a new design waiver but we are willing to make sure that our striping stays off the neighboring condition um and Rich that's your like that's how
it would be done i got to see yeah do it i would handle the from the improvement standard it's a pre-existing condition for simply restriping since they're going to restripe let's pull it back to the property line to uh remove the
encroachment and we're fun with that and then I'm sorry Derer um is there a change in elevation between the two properties is that a curve or There's a curb and appears to be like a two foot sidewalk there's not much but there is some
there's a six inch and there's a wall that's in the front that kind of like tapers off yeah good Donna oh I mean you know it's you yeah okay well is that the wall that we
see um running down the east side just beyond the parking yes and that's that's not that's the other property so the property and it backs up to their access lane there and that that kind of you know from their perspective that defines their property kind of in
practice right so yeah could I ask it a different way so if you were to conform with the design standard in the behind walls could you still maintain this traffic flow no we would lose all those parking spots
the ones on the east side or even the ones What's the accessory structure step back Rich at least 5 ft you would lose the the the entire spots in the middle and and you you probably couldn't get the turn the
turn would work right the axis everything gets shifted over correct and again it's not a variance it's just a design standard and typically it would likely be to allow for
um to allow for the space to put landscaping in the lake but here it's business up against business and as was said it was up against our access aisle so there's no real impact to the neighbor would it given this change of of of the property would it make sense
to try to acquire that land from the neighbor to clean up this line no it wouldn't because to acquire that land from the neighbor would require a subdivision we're a tenant in the subject property we don't own this
property so we don't have the ability to acquire that and I don't know if losing that land would create deficiencies with regard to the other lot as to lot area coverages setbacks and the like so no I think that it's it's operated like this
for decades without issue i think that just by moving the lines it'll effectively put it all on our property and it would really not be an issue so in the very very beginning when you introduced everybody these are all tenant owners not property owners of
this enjoyment no so the applicant is a tenant correct so that's who's that's the application before you was from the tenant the other names were the names of the owner entities who own the property but they don't have an application
before you in a sense you could not proceed with this application without the owner's permission and and at least in theory the owner is also agreeing that
whatever conditions that we set that they'll abide by those too right but the neighbor didn't consent to us or acquiring their land or participating in a subdivision to your question about what
Okay has the Has the neighbor lot 10 offered an opinion on on this what has the neighbor lot 10 the owner of lot 10 offered an opinion on any of this not to us no I haven't we can certainly stipulate no we haven't heard from No
I'm not trying to make extra work i was just curious yeah they were notices yeah they were noticed right so yeah so number six is with regard to the active transportation plan and the uh items that we agreed to that I had
stipulated to was incorporating the high visibility crosswalk striping over the brick aesthetic and and Doug if you look at the last page of um it's it's page 41 if you look at the last page of the letter it's that white
striping that goes across Cedar Avenue and across Burger Road and then uh we would agree to install the buffer uh next to our driveway where it shows those uh three trees we would do that as
well the one I had indicated earlier if you look to the left there's a little island Andy that's the area where our the pedestrians would access our site so we can't put that one in right that's correct we're proposing a a striped access the east side of the 615 building
the first first and last bullet points correct not anything in correct um number seven we've already agreed to that we would change the plantings to the recommendation of the board uh planner number eight of course the fire
lane would be subject to the burough fire official i Sheila was this submitted to him already and we just didn't get a report back in it has not okay so you're off though we'll take care of that okay um and obviously we'll comply with
whatever he he suggests uh we went over uh in detail with regard to the uh new trash enclosures great improvement over what's existing as well as the private hauling is what was there existing dumpsters for the I guess your lot 11
there were cans and the uh burrow picked up the cans where are they located on the site side of the building I think so similar spots where they are now or just up against the side of the building no I think up behind the fence behind right behind the the you want to point near
the uh this the existing fence enclosure right there yeah I I think that's where they were on the photo that was Mr henderson's yes it was thank you and just on the just since we're talking about the trash is recycling going in there as well or any trash municipal
like burough recycling nope private private falling for both okay number 10 we talked about we have those safety sheets wow safety sheets on site and with regard to number 11 I'm
just going to go through them quickly uh the boat winter storage will cease the 30 uh cubic yard dumpster will cease as we had indicated earlier the loose pallets will be stored either in the storage area the large storage area
for the chemicals or in the trash enclosure the commercial truck storage I believe that that was a truck is it related when I spoke to Rich is it related to a construction company yeah it's not related to the site okay uh we went over the pool chemicals uh how
they'll now be enclosed in an area and covered so there won't be any issue there the overflowing dumpsters we will have the convenience store pick up more frequently the planter installed on River Road i've since spoken to Rich as well as the administrator that was
actually installed by the burrow and that's not on our property so we're going to skip over that one parking in non-desated areas obviously by striping this and um delineating that's going to go wrong and the random delivery trucks
parking and unloading that's going to be addressed as well as part of this and then lastly is number 12 I'd indicated we will submit a detailed shared uh access and parking easement agreement for your attorney to review and you you mentioned earlier the convenience store
dumpsters are going to f as well yep just Just on those items you provide intense testimony with regard to operation and employee what I'll refer to as employee load with regard to the seafood
facility can you also go through that same and I don't know whether the engineer regard Mr henderson's operation and convenience store so we have an idea of with this additional use yes we have hours of operation i think the board
could begin to see okay there's going to be some crossover traffic between seafood operations we'll get into a little more detail with regard to what they do whether they have walk-in people purchasing and those kind by Mr henderson step that there are
no people that come there other than the employees so why don't we talk about your hours yeah so so that's part of what we're doing here is moving out of that retail space um so we're we're no longer going to have retail customers um coming into the pool store um and we're
just solely going to be an office um you know for the employees to come in and out of um and you know run the business out of small office and how many office employees do you have uh I we have one secretary and then um in the office
portion of the time and the other employees are just coming picking up and going out to the sites correct getting their vacuums their equipment loading their trucks and leaving so you you're really just opening closing cleaning correct and the chemical use is just for
the openings and closings correct so you don't anticipate walking customers any longer correct just to purchase chemicals for use correct okay and that happens generally the between 8 and 9 you said right the employees like loading up their vans or getting picking
up that equipment happens at 8 between 8 in the morning and 9 and then when they return the trucks they just come park the trucks and take their vehicles home correct yeah usually the the loading unloading the bulk of that's in the morning and the afternoon and people are usually out pretty regularly and then as
it relates to the um hardware there are no customers that's just a storage area for them and I'm assuming the company's policy will be that no more parking in the aisle the aisle correct i'm glad Mr henderson's here
i did tell his stepfather that but I'm glad he's here does anyone Is that the deliveries for the convenience store happening probably when Does anyone know they're throughout the day but as was testified by Andy they're usually in box trucks that can pull right into a parking space and I would think as a
convenience store owner they would do that in off hours not at their busiest times and I don't know the hours of the convenience store i don't know if it's 24/7 or not i'm sure you guys know much better than that i don't believe it is but it's open till 10:30 i think I
saw that on Google well I think I think the hard volume there is is post school right and the kids ride the bike so I wanted to actually raise that because but very bike friendly town um what does anyone have a concern about a seafood in an
elevated chef inspired seafood retail uh and and children going there i don't feel like this is the type of place kids are going to go you know but should be worth discussing i think the potential of more bike traffic through there we thought about that at all
we don't Our market is not the children as was testified to by Luke i mean our market is high-end seafood for family planning and and meals it's not like you know they're going to be able to come in and
snack right yeah it's it's very unlikely but to the extent that there is more bike traffic we're providing a bike rack uh and it's it's close in proximity to the sidewalk so does does the convenience store currently have a bike rack i don't believe they do right they do not no they don't can that get
proposed in here because I mean I don't think you want the kids parking in the bike rack next to the seafood store and then having to go through two lanes of traffic to go to the convenience store they're supposed to throw their bikes on the sidewalk or in a parking spot that somebody's going to run over is there a place for far far right up against the property
line yeah we'll find a place to put a bike ride i mean I think it's a great suggestion and I think the bike seafood's fine too because you know like we said the town's bike friendly and adults will ride their bikes there and pick something up so okay yeah I think it's a good point at this point thank you just to go back to
the point I was trying to make interesting with regard to the storage for the hardware are there deliveries are there pickups are there drop offs can anyone speak to what happens at the hardware mr uh yeah generally the hardware store
gets two big deliveries a year um to that site um most of their other deliveries are going to their actual storefront um but they do like a big spring delivery like fertilizer um you know all the spring stuff um and that just came in maybe two weeks ago so it's
early March and and what size truck is that um I think it's a 30 foot box truck so it's a relatively large truck um and then they have a similar one you know later on out in the summer they come in vans and vans are pickups
and pick up their stuff to resupply correct yeah just a normal small vans yeah okay so and do you know how many employees or ores anybody monitors storage for the hardware store yeah uh no one monitors it but but they are back
and forth pretty frequently but there's nobody there's no office there's no person that's there yeah just usually one guy with a stop truck will come you know and and usually all the hours my next question is regards to the
stupid operation you say it's designed to be a market but I mean is there going to be something for a food prep area in inside that facility yes so absolutely because the food that the I mean cookie shrimp I was talking correct if you look at what we moved in as A5 and I
apologize for not going through it i thought it was somewhat self-explanatory i'll have Lou come up and just walk you through it it probably is i know you're not under a lot of decades so I will I will walk around my I am not a chef i have a lot of chef friends and
uh they help very much with the design and layout of of this store so a lot of there's a small kitchen you'll notice in this a lot of that is for uh preparation of food so people can come in and grab and go so the idea is busy families um coming back from work or so on and so forth they want some healthy options to eat so they can walk in and they'll have
some pre-prepared foods heat and ready to eat we think that's a big part of what we're going to do in addition one of our products is a steam pot where you have a large steam pot with different uh seafood components so on and so forth you put it on your stove you can add a beer i won't judge you if you do and you can cook it and it's ready to go in a little while um so thank you very much
and then and then you have some seafood counters you have the refrigerator that's right and then the storage in the back that's right so the storage in the back is to store our frozen products we uh do have some shelving and some display areas that we think may have some frozen some other frozen products people can come in they can grab um
their products and then move along and again as we mentioned there'll be some prepared products there will be some lobsters and so on and so forth so the idea being that when you walk into the seafood market um that you can you know talk to a chef at the at the counter he can guide you as to what you might do for trying to figure out where your dinner is going to be for your family um
you can grab your products if you know what you want to go and uh and be on your way so it's not unlike almost like a any kind of store that they'd be familiar with like a market really is a is a good example of what they did they had I'm trying to get a handle on that
so I'm so I'm envisioning I come in I've already got something prepared i see tartar sauce i see cocktail sauce i see lemons i see those kinds of things to the bag those things that would normally be associated with that that meal or
preparation of that meal yes okay yes yeah so we have all that and again the kitchen is mainly a preparation kitchen um and again too we'll probably use some of those um you know we hope to um have some um you know some of our platters we can come in and order some platters to go so that's a big product offering of
what Second Jetty does um to a lesser extent on Willow um but it's a really big thing around the holidays so on and so forth we want to have shrimp platters and all that sort of thing for people to pick up so when they are you know having their guests or their families over they have u you know nice options would this be a facility where you would use to
load up for catering to to load up to then go offsite for catering or is that um I I would say I would say it's possible um it's not really in the business plan right now um but we do think we do think there would be an element of off-site catering we do think that's possible um again it's not in the business plan now what we think now the
primary business is going to be like if you know for any of you who shopped at circles and walked in we'd walk into the departments they had you know different things ready to eat things that were prepared a lot of prepared healthy foods and that's really the envisionment for for what we think the the kitchen would be used for and the water space okay so
on date on a day-to-day basis deliveries for do you get ice trucks do you ice things down do you do that on site so we would have an ice machine on site um in the premise inside of the space we have our own ice machine um and so typically what happens is the Fton Fish Market um
usually they our driver will leave the Fton Fish Market at 2 or 3:00 in the morning he'll drive he has a couple different spots he'll pull to our spot at probably you know again 4:30 55 six o'clock in the morning very very early they'll load up the seafood into um storage area then the chefs will come we
envision all the seafood product being whole fish so we're not getting I I reference junk here that is a technical seafood term but we get really really high quality products um so those are So you're getting you're getting crated iced fish delivered and then you prepare that um it's not crated necessarily um
but they come in you know in some in boxes you know depending like a box of salmon is your traditional styrofoam box um and a couple of different salmon in there and so you know a couple boxes of seafood will come in uh we would put it into our storage area and then the chefs would come in the morning prepare it for
those days off and what kind of then waste or refuge recycling do you generate okay so right waste is a really good term we try to use very little waste so for example I can tell you what we do at the restaurant um I said I'm
not a chef but I'm going to co-op some of Kyle's stuff that we do so any of the bodies that we have let's say lobsters for an example right we're processing lobsters to make lobster salad um what we do is we take the bodies of the roast lobsters we boil it down we make a pot with it to make lobster soup so a lot of what we're trying to do is sustainable
it's trying to reuse the products and get the most out of the products that we bring in um the same thing with different salmon any of the salmon or tunas or anything else that we're getting we use every scrap of meat um every little bit of it just for purposes of being people that care about the water and the ecosystem but also for
business purposes right um and so we try to apply or the chefs very lucky to we try to apply creative energy to um minimizing waste with all of our products to answer the question um your the standard dumpsters that are there um with a regular pickup would be no issue
we're not going to generate excess waste um we don't foresee any of those kinds of issues okay thank you you're welcome thank you uh May I move on Mr chair yes
okay as soon as I find it I'm going to move on to the planners letter there it is so on the planners letter page one isformational page two isformational page three uh she lists
the existing nonconformities and notes that there's no intensification of those uh in section three she notes that we're improving the circulation and access to the property uh page four there's discussion about the loading area and
how the loading works which we offered uh testimony to discusses the driveway which we talked about the parking standards which we talked about the bike parking which we've offered both at our location as well as now the trousers the lighting how we're going to comply with
the ordinance the plantings were agreeing to her recommendation we offered all of the testimony with regard to the signage uh and the sign lighting we've agreed to comply with her recommendation that brings us to page to
number seven and you might have missed it it was in Amy's testimony the gates to the fence will be the wood gates that will match the enclosure i'm sorry real quick the um the light is there any lighting in the back because isn't that where the residential is is the the
We're not proposing anything there's no lighting in the back right okay no lighting okay and then as we talked about the the the sea variances some of the signage are hardship based on the building and the other are the flexible sea which we're offering is a better
zoning alternative to have less square footage of signage just broken up as it relates to the design exception it's a pre-existing non-conforming condition we're not making it any worse as it relates to the parking and we're already agreeing to comply with the light so
that goes away and I think that that addresses everything anyone on the board have any questions with question or comment is I keep staring at this walkway which I think is great for which walkway m uh the walkway
like east of the building it's striking sorry striking not a not a just Yeah just pavement strip but the intent is to that's a pedestrian walkway the intention right now it's it's what almost 40t of of a paved driveway with
no striking we're trying to create an area for pedestrians especially the barrierfree parking area have an access to the front of the building so it's basically to delineate where you're supposed to drive versus where patrons are going to be would it be overwhelming
uh and I'm being very careful because I I do like this project i'll get exposed that you know my support but would it be overwhelming to put a sidewalk along the side of the building there and I'll ask Rich the question as well does that have a big you know Well when you say overwhelming I mean the the overwhelming
part of it might be the cost yeah i'm I'm curious if that's been examined or talked about as impossibility versus just the striping if you just do a sidewalk and grade it's only going to change the treatment or the texture of what you're walking on so
right now they're proposing striping the existing asphalt delineating it as a pedestrian way to provide a safe you know access to and from parking areas if you were to do a parking a sidewalk
area and I don't think the grading would really work because of the way the building is situated just it's an existing building elevations you'd have to curb it and and really create you know and then you get into ADA where you have to get off the
sidewalk you know so I did actually kind of look at that when we were reviewing it and what about putting like planters in or something to sort of again create separation along that walkway you know call the yellow posts well yeah i mean
something that something that's not again more pleasing yeah more pleasing and the stripes yeah some break between the you know the active i mean I'm thinking about people you know walking along the side of the building there you know just something to delineate create
separation from the the you know traffic movement i think the problem with planters is is that we don't have enough room to put planters and still have ADA accessibility so and you also don't want to create a projectile correct because you're going to have vehicles moving in and out of
the site if it doesn't meet certain criteria and standards mr nick I understand what you're trying to do and and it's fair but I I also think you have to look at how much we really are aesthetically improving this so yes in a perfect world we would dig it all up and
start over but you know we have the hardship of this is what's there this is what can stay there we really have conceded to every single ask as it relates to this so while that may not be the prettiest part of this it makes the most sense in the context of what's
there i appreciate how hard you've worked it the improvements on the site are are well it's not you say pretty it's not the aesthetics that I'm thinking about with the striping it's the um defined walking space right
and I I agree a a sidewalk in you know in a perfect world is probably the best solution but that probably isn't uh feasible but is there some way to create and defined walking space with those I don't know what they call the yellow posts that are you know sunk into the asphalt every 10 ft that will clearly
define a driving lane and a walking lane in that part of the building i mean again it it's going to take up space and it's an added expense to what we're already doing here one thing we could suggest is and and I was only saying aesthetic because I think I was
responding to something Mr nika said with how it's going to look but perhaps we could actually paint it as opposed to striping it to delineate it as a walkway and maybe it could even be a decorative painting uh to so it's clearly not part
of the roadway whether it be blue whether it be something in the theme of the seafood store but it would be a solid painted areaway that would uh not have the striping that would indicate more like a parking lot
well I mean I I understand and at first I was going to offer some kind of suggestion like that but Title 39 like drivers understand that's a no-go zone they may not respect it but they understand it so this is my issue in an area that has a
history of people pulling the carpeting parallel to that building with a graband-go model I think people will not respect the striping but I don't want to turn it into you know faux brick paving
looking to give it that aesthetic yeah i don't I don't And then people are parking on it anyway and then there's no you know even implied repercussions to for for cars to be placed in that space and it's that it's a refuge for pedestrians i think it needs to we
either need to do something it doesn't need what about something to the effect right i agree i think that the striping I think driving used to it but what about a temporary solution i also think that as the public starts to see how the new
spaces are defined and the flow of traffic I think everyone will assimilate to that but in the meantime in the inter interim what about some little no parking posts as people learn the new that you said in the striping that sit
there during business hours that get people used to how you now want them to operate more right and I think that that would you'd have to mold in order to park there so I think that that's a great suggestion and I think people will get used to it personally they will understand the impact and that's my
concern it wasn't so much the the look of the striping it was the I can I can definitely see adults parking in the back and walking to the front i get that i can also see people pulling up to the side and doing that my bigger concern is what was raised earlier about us being
the biking town lots of kids already congregate in the front parking lot in front of Krowers after school with their bikes that's a that's a given for this area they don't always put their bike in the right spot and most of the most of the time it it it tends towards the
easter side where that wall is where there's a patch of dirt and and that's cool i think putting a I'm not against it but I think putting a biking rack right here in this walkway where we want people to walk and feel safe impedes their ability to walk through there and
invites kids to park their bike there and walk across the street to elsewhere Zan Sue wherever they want to go and kind of abandon their bike and maybe not be so I mean our kids are great but they're idiots when it comes to you know bikes where they want to put
their bikes i I think that that's and I don't want to I don't want to give you guys more cost or more to-dos but I just want to I think we all collectively think through this from the aspect of like whether we're biking or where the kids are biking and and their behaviors and how I think it's a great point i
think that we don't have a bike right now at the convenience store so if we put it there instead of in this area it would encourage them to stay over there and not park here so we're okay with removing it from that striped area and
just having the one over by the trousers if that's what the board prefers and I think what you guys were saying is I I was delineating some way of delineating again we're conscious of cost here signs even what they did in in
Redbank around that hospital crossing they put up some like kind of fake chain like temporary velvet ropes robin you know what what I would offer is at the beginning you know something that maybe gets pulled back over time if the board is going to vote favorably I would ask
that that be a condition that we work it out with your planner and your engineer as to the appropriate treatment to delineate that pedestrian area rather than try and decide it right now i'm agreeable too although Rich is probably more difficult
than anybody sitting up there i'm willing to take that risk you haven't worked with me yet great and and similarly for the the space in the front where we're going to you're going to shrink that that curb opening you've talked about doing some
landscaping on the plan it does call out brick pavers so is that still is that for certain or that's still part of that that was there were there are brick papers that exist and we were proposing to extend that but then after seeing the comments from the board that board
engineer we we could we could use some landscaped areas within that neighbor area we can come up you know we can work together to come up with it rich would you have any followup because we moved right to the planner memo I just want make sure you didn't have any
follow-up comments or questions um on your memo no we covered everything i probably did but just want to make sure i have one question for Doug actually um and I'm sure there's an easy explanation but this this document here from 1999 in
the exhibits what what is the intent of this document to show the intent of this document I'm assuming it wasn't specifically addressed but to demonstrate that the pre-existing non-conforming conditions were actually reviewed they didn't just happen by happen stance that there was approvals
for those and that gives them the basis to say "Okay we're going to rely upon those." I'm assuming that's what you're It is and also I believe Rich required us to submit any prior resolutions as part of our completeness so that was why and it was through that that we discovered that the deed restriction was
never put on the property which we I'm sure that Doug will write it into this current resolution we can record that resolution and then the deed restriction becomes part of simple explanation yeah absolutely nothing in the testimony
that you heard this evening i know that you recommended uh granting of the waiverss that was your condition of work and granting except with regard to item number 25 are you still looking for the complete storm water management plans or are you satisfied with regard to what
the applicant has done by way of rain garden increased impervious coverage are we still requiring decreased decrease i'm sorry decrease increasing impervious cover you are you satisfied with that are you still looking for storm water of course
I am satisfied they cover it in their testimony they did add additional um improvements to the site has anybody figured out what the new percentage is for you know the reduction no but if the board is going to vote favorably we will
get that to you before any resolution would be adopted has has there been a submission of either colors or samples of exterior facades andor belongings no just just what we moved in as A6 and it
will be similar in appearance similar similar materials the color might be a little bit lighter or might be a little bit different but it'll be similar and awning we'll submit something for We don't even have dimensions i'm I don't know we actually did provide the
dimensions on the site plan oh okay right do we know materials well my guess can Okay but we can provide at least some kind of a mockup from whoever you're getting i'm sure you're not going to do
that your chefs aren't going to make it someone's going to make it for you get us get us that information part of that just maybe one more thing on storm water the in the the rear parking lot that that sort of center area that's got four
spots there's um a hashed area that's kind of got a round edge to it is that an opportunity to be dehardened and softened anymore be what Mr i didn't hear you to to make that area green
just nothing lives there yeah couple things um it's going to create an issue with snow removal it's also going to create an issue with circulation even though it's striped it still allows some additional area for turning so you want them
and everything is flowing from north uh from the north to the south so that's sort of towards the high point of the site so it really wouldn't be capturing too much but you know valid point donna did you have any any comments or
questions on your letter before we uh I want to open up to the public for questions and comments no I think they've uh satisfied our concerns anything else from the board before we open up to the public for questions or so uh any members of the public wish
to speak or or wish to comment questions mr mayor you put a little drive by the testimony you give before we'll treat that yeah thank you sir um so I have four questions two of them
have already been answered so thanks uh what's the purpose of continuing the two-way drive when you get past browsers other words why doesn't it just become a one-way
it's really going up this way parking accessing the the parking spaces correct but couldn't you just access them one way wouldn't that create a safer parking lot in general i think it would i I'll defer to Rich if there's any
safety issue here i don't know that there's a safety issue and I think it it would be a it would not be good for our Well the safety issue is you're backing up into two-way traffic potentially which I think is something we try to
avoid even on our streets if we can i think a couple things we would have to sign it in such a way to force people to go around in the back so then you would be potentially putting a sign post
yeah do not enter or one way or or flow arrow but I think just I think the first spaces that people are going to look for if they're going to this new business is along the east side of that building yeah they're going to just out of habit drive straight
forward spot understood and it would be awkward to put it I guess here now you're already coming up okay it was just a second question is does this building share the same Hback
system as what the pool and the seafood i can answer that question there's a single rooftop unit that controls the entire entity and we don't propose any changes to so I I assume obviously from like the pool storage you know what you're doing
it for a long time sheets all that if there were a situation god forbid where some sort of toxic vapor from the pool chemical came up is there any issue with the fact
storage is right up against it i I can answer that question i have a construction background so when we go to submit construction documents to the construction plan they will probably mandate our architect will come in and um and construct the partition wall and
wall between the two premises as such it would probably have to deal with that condition i mean it's a great point but when we get to the construction document set of things and the architect will be designing for the wall I'm sure to take that in consideration you can absolutely make sure that's addressed awesome beautiful that's all I have
thank you thank you kind of goes both ways you don't want the toxic fish fumes going right so that's not even any other uh any other comments from the from the public tracy hi everyone tracy B23 great death you saw the testimony
before the truth the whole truth yes sir thank you um I'm familiar with uh this operation i'm very excited about it coming to Fair i will be one of those people um on my bicycle going home with
some fire seafood i think it's a really nice addition to the mix of businesses in Fairaven um I also want to acknowledge the property owner and your commitment to the active transportation plan [Music]
unfortunat that's good for all of us so I love the rain garden um I actually think it's just a really great application and I appreciate all the hard work that you look forward to shopping thank you for your time yes hi Carolyn Feron report
[Music] yes thank you uh and also the secretary of the fair business association i just want to commend the owners of this property for making September application i want to thank them for uh their investment in the burrow for many
many years in addition to operating their business uh and keeping their property vital uh they have been very active in the business association and have supported many community efforts so I just hope that the borrower can be as friendly to them as they have been to us
thank you great thank you anybody else oh and I Yeah any uh anybody on Zoom uh Sheila that is looking to make a comment no great good catch no
so uh any further presentation no i think the public I think that the public summed it up pretty well i think while we have some non-conformities and some slight variances overall when you look at this the benefits far outweigh any detriments we've addressed everything
that your uh board planner your board engineers ask for and the board members themselves uh I I'm not going to go through all of the conditions i think we testified to them and Doug I trust that you have them all no I was just hanging out i doubt I think I'll read them into
the record if we miss anything don't think usually when we frame the resolution I'll start anything further discussing my support any any one anyone all right let's get started let me frame a resolution for a motion second this is a resolution for
approval site plan approval with certain variance relief heard testimony that this is going to be for the establishment of the seat retail market and the continuation of the other uses of the site the applicant has agreed to abide abide by the conditions set forth
or at least the concerns set forth in the engineering report as well as the reportedly time for specific things that the board has discussed with the conditions concern um in the plantings the rain gardening or landscaping um
presently designed to create some recharge waiverss that we've already discussed that recommended by our engineer concerning no need any longer for the storm of the light profiles that have been discussed placement of the
bike rack now the removal of the one bike rack I'm assuming removing the one bike rack from this area the placement of the bike racked and stored it was removal or was it in addition i I understood it was to be removed if it's not Yeah because it
was going to block the block that was my understanding applicants also need to provide the pictures of the awning andor the type of material and that they will work with the burough engineer concerning the treatment of the pedestrian walkway
um I there was not a discussion of but I don't and I don't know if there's going to be the loading area that depicted by signage yeah it or just or just crosshatassing or we didn't show a sign yet but we we just we're showing striping only on the plan we Okay i just
want to know how people understand how that's going to be delineated can work with you here to make sure that's appropriately delineated um I think we discussed the other conditions of the removal of the the boat storage of the of the pallets um basically you've
identified with regard to the bulleted items you were not going to address you were going to address the first and the last but not going to address the middle one subject to the county approving that which is in the right of way okay the the relief in this instance the
applicant has basically posited sort of two sections of relief the C1 relief due to the conditions that presently exist at the site which make it difficult to do additional changes with regard to reconfiguring
of your travel ways where you put your rain gardens where you put your striping pulling those things back the second is the C2 variance they basically said that you know though we are asking for more
signs in terms of total square footage the signs are smaller and we are actually conforming with the total square footage if we will address those um that and to their way of thinking that presents a different or alternative
design plan obviously we have we're going to have so many signs so many areas they've provided something different that they say is unique to their property because it's going to work better with their property um but that will also have a benefit to
surrounding properties not just themselves so that lighter that you're not going to have visual pollution of these of these larger signs in all areas again you have to satisfy the criteria that we discussed at the beginning and finally if there's no substantial
detriment to those ordinances and or regulations I would ask there are any additional conditions that the board members think of when we put those in i would ask for a motion and a second a yes vote is a positive vote you vote in
favor of this application i don't do that to to tell you how to vote just so that you know how it's finished i have a motion i'll make a motion to approve the application second yes mr mill yes mr yes
yes mr na yes yes thank you very much hurry up and get open we have to finish the items on the schedule i put it in there so that's Thank you so the other the other
administrative item that we had is just further discussion thank you you have no idea how many times I can do that uh no not right now because I don't discuss the process and sort of
how to move forward on that anything you want to discuss on I know we talked but I think maybe we need to have a discussion u before we see sort of bring all that forward yeah I mean we're stuck as far
as I'm concerned like that's not aable path forward we can have that discussion i don't know how Yeah I don't know what the plans how you Well in my opin I mean that's my opinion
question do we need to be an executive session or Yeah what's the Yeah I mean we could be an exe we can't this is a topic for executive session why don't we Why don't we do that thank you everybody thanks have a good night where the open public meetings act in this is where the
board may go into closed executive session with the public to discuss matters in this instance concerning assuming contract negotiations and with regard to getting attorney attorney council with regard to certain matters those are specific matters in which we
can exclude the public from those discussions how long do you believe that the photo session will be uh I mean probably for about 30 minutes about 30 minutes will we be taking any further action after 30 minutes 30 minutes till 9:30 do we antilary do we
anticipate taking any further action to adjourn the meeting at that time no there are no other matters to bring uh or that would require public comment so we can go into executive session we just before we go into executive session we're now open to public comment on any matter on any matter yeah any further
public comment on any matter there being none then I'm going to ask for a motion to second on the executive session second i'll make the motion go to executive session second thank you thank you okay we're going to go into close session folks for a half hour the only thing that we're going to do
afterwards is just do a general meeting we'll take off lovely seeing you all thank you thank you goodness