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It's okay. >> We're ready. >> Okay. >> This is a regular meeting of the Fair Haven Planning Board of Adjustment. Adequate notice of this meeting has been given pursuant to the provisions of the Open Public Meetings Act. At the time of the board reorganization in January of

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this year, the board adopted its regular meeting schedule for the year. Notice of the schedule was sent to and published in the Asbury Park Press on January 30th, 2026 and the Two River Times on February 26, 2026. That notice was also

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posted on the bulletin board in Burough Hall and has remained continuously posted there as required by the statute. A copy of the notice is and has been available to the public and is on file in the office of the burough clerk. A copy of the notice has also been sent to members of the public as have requested

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such information in accordance with the statute. Adequate notice having been given, the board secretary is directed to include the statement in the minutes of this meeting. Uh new procedure of legal notices. On June 30th, 2025,

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Governor Phil Murphy signed PL 2025 chapter 72 into law, which amends the legal notice requirements under the Open Public Meetings Act. Beginning March 1st, 2026, public entities must publish their legal notices on their website

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rather than in newspapers. You are able to view Fair Haven's legal notices using the website link www.fairhavenenj.org home news legal notices. Um, why don't we start with a roll call? Sure.

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>> Mrs. Bush here. [snorts] Um, Mr. I think he's on Zoom. Um, this is she's not with us yet. Uh, Mr. Polo, Mr. R >> here,

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>> Mr. Rivera, Mr. Anderson >> here, >> Mr. Dorner >> here, >> Mr. Brandonetti >> here, >> Mrs. Rolo, and Mr. Charal >> here.

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Great. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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>> [clears throat] >> So, we don't have anybody in. >> No, no, it's me just turning. >> Okay. >> Um, so we we don't have any new business today. Um we we we'll do the approval of the minutes and then we had our first um

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master plan um [clears throat] steering committee meeting uh earlier it was like earlier this month uh when was it June uh June 29th so um I can give an overview so the planner went through an

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updated project plan which I'll go over and then exactly sort of what we need to do over the next couple weeks next two weeks um in particular and um you know we have dates for open house and things like that. So I'm going to go over all of that. Um but we should start with the

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um approval of the June 16th 2026 minutes which were um which were distributed prior to the meeting and so um I will or somebody wants does does anybody have any changes first and

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foremost? No. >> No. Okay. Uh, so just uh I guess I'll make a motion to present it. >> Uh, Mrs. Bush. >> Yes. >> And Mr. R.

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>> Yes. >> Mr. Anderson. >> Was it appear? >> Mr. Derer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Brandonetti. >> Yes. >> Mr. Charali. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Great. So, um, so on June 29th, um, we had a, uh, the master plan advisory committee, um, met with, um, with our planner. And so we

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had, um, we it was an organizational meeting to, uh, to to lay out the the the key dates, um, for, uh, for the, um, for the master plan update. And so,

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um, the first the first big date, um, that that we have is an open house on Thursday, September 17th at 7 to 10:00 p.m. in the new community center. And so over the next, I think two months, we're

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going to be organizing around that uh that open house. And uh so CCH will facilitate the so our planner is going to facilitate the open house with a presentation displays um survey boards maps etc. And and so

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what we have to do or what the the committees have to do prior to the um prior to the next um well yeah prior to the next uh impact meeting which hasn't been we haven't

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dated that yet. Uh it will probably be in the first week of August. So over the next you know three weeks what the committee has to do is review the survey. Um this there's a data room um that this that that um

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that the planners have put together which contains all of their work so far to date. It has um the population statistics. It has a number of other different documents that they that they've put together. it has um the

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survey results and the summary more importantly the the the summaries of those survey results in uh in the data room. And so what what each committee has to do is is go through that the

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survey as it relates to your areas. Discuss that, understand that, then also review the survey last year, I'm sorry, the the original uh the original master plan, right? And and I guess scorekeep

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what what has been done versus what has not been done. And then obviously taking into account what the survey uh what the survey says the public is interested in. And so what that what what I'll need from everybody or what the the the

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steering committee needs from everybody is a summary of that work so that when we have our second steering committee meeting, we can have we can create a um an outline for the for the open house. And so that's the you know the

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assignment over the next couple of weeks. >> So when you say review the m the forum master plan do you mean the revision years ago? >> Yeah. So, so the the master plan and the master plan update from 2016 has all the

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points that the planning board advised the town was important and and what you know needed to be done or the direction the planning board felt the town and the governing body needed to go in terms of

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ordinances um improvements etc. And so in your area, what what got done between then and now? And just have an understanding of what of what got done in that in that element um and what if

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anything has not been done. Right? So if there are things that haven't been done or were not followed up on or for whatever reason didn't get finished um then you have to you know we we need to decide if it still matters, right? and

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and have the survey the survey can help inform that. Um, if there's nothing in the survey, then that's probably going to be something we're going to want to surface at the open house. So, if there was an element that wasn't, you know, completed or followed up on or there's been no action, then that's going to be

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something we're going to want to, you know, probe further at any open house, especially if there's been no comments in the survey. >> And the committees then can also add, right? That's part of >> Exactly. what has or hasn't been done and then committee what would we like to

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see that either isn't in the survey hasn't been there in the or hasn't been there in the past. >> That's correct. >> Yeah. And so that's how we'll create the agenda for the uh for the open house. And uh and then CCH

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um will be uh will be in touch with each of the committee um each of the committees. So they'll reach out to us to schedule to help schedule or should we just schedule and then >> Well, I I think the first part of this has to be done would be done on your

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own. It's it's not going to be reach out and you >> right and then and then sort of return that summary to my to myself um and then we'll get it through or we'll we'll post it in the data room for

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CCH to um synthesize with their other materials. Has the data room been sent around for us so that we can activate all >> did we did we send that link around >> um a while back but I haven't sent anything new >> can we recirculate that it was in the it

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was in Tristan's email with the minutes >> uh it it was like a long length it's a pretty long >> still established length I can say if you could resend it >> thanks >> and then um so so we also went over a a

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project schedule which is also in the data room. Um and in the attach and then she'll also maybe circulate those attached minutes from the EMPAC meeting. I I thought they may have been in the materials for the meeting. I forget >> for this meeting. I'm not sure if they

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were or not. I thought they might have been. >> I'll have to look. >> Maybe. Okay. But just make sure that those minutes get circulated to the full plane. >> Yeah. Um, so we have the first meeting on on June 29th. The the first week of August,

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there'll be a second steering committee meeting where we'll review um where we'll review all those um uh summaries. Sorry. Yeah. So it's the 21st first week of August is in two weeks. So that's

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basically just so we're like that's next week we have to have this committee meeting >> this week or the week after. Yeah. So, I mean, we'll we'll schedule the um the EMP pack meeting once we have all the surveys. Okay. Just trying to figure out people on vacation, people. Yeah. Yeah.

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We'll we'll we'll schedule that um as soon as we have all the um and then the the first open house will be September 17th. Um after the um after the open house on the

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17th uh in late September, there'll be um meetings with the el with the different element groups um to review what came out of the open house that pertains to to each of your elements.

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um draft the the planning draft will start to be available from October to December. So that's when they'll start drafting the document. Um there will be um another round of committee meetings in

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January um and then a second open house sometime in late January. Uh, >> where were those two dates again? >> I'm I'm sorry. >> What were they? Late January and what? >> So So the first first open house is

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September 17. >> Then um the the second round of meetings will be um or or there'll be meetings in late September after the open house with the committees. Um and then drafting of the document

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will happen um [clears throat] you know October through December. Uh and then there'll be a second round of committee meetings in mid January um and a second open house in late in late January.

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And then I I mean then we go to finalize the plan sometime in late April with with more drafting in February and March. So this this plan contemplates a late April finishing of the of the plan,

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but I think really um you know we're going to try and stick to this to this schedule. Um, I think the actual specific dates past September 17th are kind of hard to put on the calendar right now until we have

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those committee meetings after the open house. I think that will help define exactly the rest of the schedule once we have that first open house and what other meetings or consultations have to happen. So, I'll open it up to questions. So,

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>> I asked all mine. [laughter] We got the marching order. >> Yeah. So, if it'd be helpful to and I'm happy to attend any of those meetings. Um any of your committee meetings, just let me know when you have them. I'm happy to be there. Um if I if I can. I mean, Google Meets, Zooms, whatever is

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probably best best for you to use. Doug, anything from from your perspective? So we can do them over. >> Yeah, maybe. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's really just a review like for your committee, review all the materials that exist for your element of the plan and

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get that >> send discuss it. We're good. >> They can access the data or we can give them >> Yeah, the link is the link is is a pretty open link. I I think we should probably be careful how you know how that gets distributed but um I think

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outside the you know those committees obviously I think it's important for them to have that link. >> All right. I I don't want to u I can open it up to the public. I know there's not I mean we have some attendees. Um

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I don't know if anybody has any questions. No hands. >> I did have one question. Have have e and I don't know how I know I organized communities [clears throat] but in terms of outreach to say the

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school outreach to DPW outreach to municipal facilities outreach to emergency facilities. Is there is there a designated within your groups? Is there is there a designated person to touch at least touch base with those those groups? I

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know we had talked about so groups participating independent of the survey. >> Yeah. So I think those groups should be reached out to by the different committees. So if if there's if there's elements that relate to those

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constituents um we should have the committees reach out >> like I have >> I mean all the work done for recreation so he's on my committee. >> Yes you're going to have things for outreach. I'm just trying to think you something like circulation

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it may inform some of you with regard to touching base from the police. um you know with your surface I don't know that it necessarily lends itself to a particular element >> um I'm doing these in various places

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last night we sort of had the >> I think somebody does here the reading of the reports you know various various interviews with DPW various interviews with the chief of police emergency management systems

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um uh interview with the environmental committee, interview with the historical committee. I mean, we have these constituent groups. I know we've heard in the past that, you know, we may want to hear from the board. It's not you

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don't call a chamber of commerce, but I mean it's the equivalent of of a chamber of >> We have that business. I mean, I I think um I mean that's it's a good point. I'll talk to the planners about whether we need a separate outlet like if we

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need a separate kind of meeting with those individual groups. >> Yeah. I mean the way the way in which this particular board did it you know there was someone you know look there were a volunteer with the and they just you know sent out a note can we have a meeting chief of police in emergency

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management DPW was easy to get in touch with you know >> yeah I I mean I I would I'm not trying to make more work for anybody >> no no I think it's a good point in the sense that you know the open house may present as something more for the public

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rather than for the the other conit constituents of the of the government or the other constituents, agencies, etc. And so it's probably smart to make sure that each of those constituents have a representative that comes to the open house and gives their feedback, but also

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make sure that they've done, you know, that they have an opportunity to meet with the steering committee if there's if there's issues they want to discuss that are. >> Yeah. And you you may also find that the issue that's presented and some may overlap you know between different troops whether it depend on one

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particular parking but kept coming up you know in different constituent communities but I mean I I don't know if the historical committee has you know any particular concerns as to what we should or

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shouldn't be doing. They're they're very good about getting reports to us. see those at least if it's under adjustment. Um, I know we've had different issues with regard to, you know, making sure that the shade tree folks and permitting for

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those things because that has come up, not so much for the planning board, but I do know from the zoning board of adjustment, you know, I I I think there's even an active portion on the application says, do you anticipate that there are trees? You know, what do they

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have for concerns? because the something like the shade tree commission they're not they're they're sort of an information body just like the environmental commission is an information body they don't have enforcement powers but they may be able to inform you of some different things because in addition to revising the

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master plan there may be some recommendations for your development >> I think some of the I think some of the members on the subcommittee were from there >> this there are I think Dave had somebody on the shade tree commission I think >> yeah and also Right.

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>> When we talked to the mayor, like we we talked to the mayor about like making sure certain people within these different >> at his fingertips again. May maybe it makes sense to go through the plan and the survey bit specifically

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in the context that it relates to you know PD FD and then we could sort of reach out to them and you know coales around whatever specific items that they have that are relevant to them and then

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maybe address it in broader context right so >> I mean would it does it would it make sense maybe to have representatives come to the next planning board meeting and talk to us about what their concerns are, what their or is that best I I know

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that the planner was there's kind of you you know formality to this like certain things should be done in this meeting but most things should be done in separate meetings with the committee. This is kind of how he described it. So I don't I mean

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>> I think mining committee left is probably the best thing. What do you mean basically? >> Yeah, I mean I want to have I I agree. I think everything should be dealt with at the committee level because the committees are assigned to each of the elements of the plan and so like those decisions within each element are

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supposed to be you know driven by the committee and and I would want to have but at the same time you know have to have police go to four different committee meetings. kind of doesn't make sense, which is Yeah. >> Should they not just come come to the open house and make sure

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>> make sure they're represented? Make sure that the business um the I I know that one woman was here from the business district. Uh >> yeah, >> yeah, make sure she knows. Um I did tell her I would make sure I keep her updated

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on what was happening. So probably the easiest open house and everybody has a representative and then we can get feedback >> to make >> there. But there there there are probably things that we're going to need feedback on prior to that that are going to inform some of the things that are presented there as it relates to you

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know say circulation perfect example right traffic with PD I don't know what those specific items are have to look at the plan specifically in that context but there are probably things in there that we're going to need to look at in that light to see if they've been

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addressed or if they need further addressing and then you you know, sort of tie that out with the most recent survey and say, you know, are these things a concern for the residents? Do they need to be addressed further? And then talk to PB, you know, have they been resolved? Haven't they? What else do you think would be helpful to be in

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here that sort of guides the principles of the town? And right, so I think >> they're going to need to be spoken to ahead of the open house because those elements are going to need to be addressed >> in the August meeting. So

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I think we should look at the plan specific to some of those. If you can [clears throat] remind me the five um the five. >> So circulation >> circulation land use element circulation um I want to say conservation I refer

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conservation >> infra infrastructure >> u which includes water sewers >> which clearly involves DVW. Yeah. You know, and bridge, right? Ended right now.

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>> It's land use, housing, which the board is is doing is is pretty much done. Yeah. >> Circulation, utilities, conservation, and then recreation, and open space. >> Yeah. >> Because you're I think you're going to find, and again, I don't want to take over your meeting. You're going to find

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as you go through, it's going to be real easy to go through and say, you know, 2006, 2016, were there continuing themes that went forward? What did you accomplish? And

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then in certain instances, you're going to be looking at here were the the goals and objectives in 2016. some of those things, as we've said before, you're going to find, okay, we accomplished that. You know, you had something were done. You're also going

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to have some goals that you're going to know you didn't accomplish. And and the issue is going to be for the board because ultimately, no matter what the survey says, no matter what the the constituent group say, it becomes your master plan, it becomes the the board

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buys into that. And you're going to say, "Is this still something that's viable? Is this still something that we want to see? And you may see something as as simple as, you know, a change in demographics since 2006 to now may inform you. If

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your senior demographic involves, you know, one point in time was recreation facilities, do you have senior citizen facilities? What is the age of your population? What do they want to see? I think your survey is going to inform you there. you're you're going to get into

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that section of what you don't know and that's the go forward that what the survey is going to somewhat inform you of what you need to accomplish in the next 10 years if you if you believe that the survey actually reflects what you need and that's why I'm saying to reach

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out you know for instance I I don't think you're going to hear from EPW that their facility is not functional at this point in time because I think they just kind of got into that have circulated that, but are there certain things that they see in the next 10 years that

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they're going to need to address? I don't think you're going to hear necessarily from the police department that they're busting at the seams, which is which was a theme I heard another meeting not too long ago, because you recently had that new facility. But are

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there things that they need to do to maintain certifications and those types of things on a go forward basis that not to be done tomorrow and not to resolve the problem but maybe just align that we need to continue to monitor

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infrastructure for for storm water or ponding areas from DPW may be telling you look we got to get ahead of every I just heard basic flooding you know every time it floods we're getting water in these sections to like have those

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pinpointed and identify those to give a work list for your DPW or your municipality for the engineering. We're going to tackle these things as we go along. And then you're going to have that group that's that our planners

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going to tell you these are the additional things that you need that have happened since 2016 to to 20 to 26 and then going forward to 2036. Really that that's what we're

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doing here. You're going to you're going to have to have provisions for electric vehicles. you're going to have to have provisions to, you know, stay up with the the latest storm order. You're right now you're good for your affordable housing, but you're going to have

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another number come 10 years out and to begin to start taking a look at those types of things. And again, it's not to solve the problem, but to at least mention in the master plan, you know, before before the next round, we want to at least have some idea of where we

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might have to put additional affordable housing. Will will we still get our certification? Those types of things. That's the hard part for the master. I don't know what it's going to look like. I don't know what fair is going to look like in 2036, but I know you may be

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able to plan for some things if you think it's going to happen so that so that you can welcome it with open arms. >> Sure. >> I'm going to stop talking now. >> Thanks, sir. >> Okay. >> Are there uh are there >> stop talking part? [laughter]

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>> Uh any any questions? Anything from the public? Tracy, anything? Yeah. Um, do you want is this am I in the uh tropical presentation? >> It's a public comment. >> The um

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>> at the council meeting coming up on Monday, I'll do I'll convey the information about the um the open house on September 17th. Give the public and the council a heads up. Um we've coordinated with Betty and

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Chris York on drafting a kind of graphic or an announcement that'll go out. So, um, with the idea that it'll go out about four to five weeks ahead of the open house and then with a weekly reminder to encourage participation and then it we'll do our best to try to

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explain the purpose of the open house to help inform the direction of the town's development for the next 10 years. Um, >> that's awesome. Thank you. >> Of course. Yeah, it's what I'm here for. Um, I did check in the survey results,

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the analysis because reviewing the data, it's ridiculous. I'm sure you will all to the survey results are in the data room. The data room was updated. Uh, I just sent it to Chila, so she has it at the top of her email list. Um,

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for what it's worth, and I'll give you because I was sitting and listening to talk about because I think Doug's making a good point about especially our commissions and our department heads, whether it's DPW or our fire department or um even the historic preservation

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commission, the shade commission or commissions, boards and committees. But I think in particular the boards and commissions, not committees, boards and commissions probably do warrant um an outreach of some kind. And I know that

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the CCH is prepared to meet with your committees um sort of like in the course of a day, an hour for each committee. They could set up something similar for our departments and commissions that we that the board decides is warrants that kind of attention and Tristine can or

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whoever in their staff that sets up that administrative work >> could probably do it as a Zoom and each of those commissions could appoint someone or the chair to give CCH a half an hour of their time. Here's what's here's what we're doing. Like I I know the historic preservation

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commission >> um does have some horizon line issues and some of it is addressed in our 216 2016 master plan. Um it persists and the concern around [clears throat] some of the way it was written when it was

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originally introduced in the late 90s um poses a potential problem now, but it that will only become more problematic over time. So, it would probably be good to have that conversation. And that's just one example, but that's an idea. It'd be easy enough to talk to CCH and

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set it up at a meeting. >> You had already identified in the the meeting like we were going to need another >> No, no. I mean, in the steering committee meeting we had that we were going to need a second open house and then >> Yes. I think they're I I mean

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>> if you have a proposal when you do >> depending on how I mean we probably need a separate meeting like for the constituents in the >> I mean some of those folks can come to the open house but I think I mean

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>> like zoning Todd is on the land use um >> right he's with you and so >> we ought to just double check that list because I remember specifically >> and Peter's on our tree was on it. I think somebody from um

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>> we may have that you're right. >> So some of those you're right though I I know that I sort of didn't reach out to R or J from the preservation committee and they they probably I didn't even think of it actually and that's okay. >> It's hard to think of everything.

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>> That's a really good point. >> So when I go Yeah. And I can shop to either one of them. >> When I go through the list, look. Yeah, thank you. When I go through the list here, right, like zoning, Todd, Peter is on the Pet Peter Nesni is on the

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steering committee, right? So zoning is covered, right? And of course Todd is on and Fred too. >> Yeah. and >> on there >> this the zoning like like the the zoning uh >> plus we get the annual reports from

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>> the zoning board is is sort of well represented and and you know >> um is well represented. I I think what we don't have right is you know we have

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engineering is and then we have recreation so DJs involved um it riches um on the utilities so we have DPW you know so by default DBW is

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involved it doesn't it doesn't um lessen the comment we still I think we need to do something but but We have I think what we really don't have is representative from like police, fire that >> those folks probably need some kind of

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engagement at a at a more higher level, not at a committee level, I would think. Right. >> What do what do you think about bringing it up at your next advisory committee meeting with with CCH to ask them because they've done this before? >> Well, I I'll just call I I'll send

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>> That's a good idea. I I'll send them a note tomorrow and just say like we should probably have a meeting with with those with those folks. I think like the sh the Shade Tree Commission, the historical society, the business

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um the the the business group. I mean, that's probably more appropriate for those folks to just go to the open house. I I would >> there I should point out I'm I'm a member of the now leadership team. well was leadership board

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>> I'm sorry >> it it is under land um >> but u I'm I sit on that board as well so I can um facilitate like I make sure that they know what's coming when the open house

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>> Todd Peter >> Todd later he he wasn't on that who else >> oh you're talking about there is a committee that was formed by council um and the mayor appointed several people to it >> got Yeah, the business district. >> Then there is an actual uh group of stakeholders from the business district

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that are a separate organization that have been around for about I don't know I'm going to guess 50 years, something like that. I could be confused about that, but they've been around for a while. FHBA, >> right? That that's what uh Karen Ferguson has been.

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>> Yep. She's been involved with it for a long time. >> Yeah. No, I think it's actually well anyway could be a lot longer than 50 years. I'm just remembering boxwood is saying they were here for 75 years. >> So, um

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>> so so the long and the short of it is is I I think we have coverage which is good. So those folks aren't going to be in the dark and are going to are included, but it does warrant, I think, a more formal >> sort of part of the process that those

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groups have, I guess, some touch points with the planner. I I think that's >> I think you're right. >> The planner's going to ask them to think about things that they're not going to know how to bring up on their own necessarily. Um, and the only other point, if this is helpful, having been through this

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before, when you look at the old documents to evaluate, as Doug was saying, you know, or Fred, I think you were saying it, what was relevant 10, 20 years ago, is it still relevant and what's been accomplished? And it's often easy to say, well, that's been

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accomplished, that hasn't been accomplished. There's often a gray area where it's um substantially accomplished, but not quite complete. So substantially accomplished or uh or substantially complete and substantially incomplete where we've started parts of

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it but we haven't completed. It's helpful to have a couple of like lanes in the middle to categorize as you're considering what's been done and not done. >> And if you need anything me from me just

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let me know. Thanks, Tracy. >> Any uh anything anyone online? >> I don't make the motion close. >> Sorry, >> did we technically open the public on anything? >> I think that was >> I did. No, I asked I asked. Is there

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anybody online that's interested in making a comment for this? >> Okay, good. >> Sorry. That's all right. Thanks.

