All right, we're going to call this meeting to order. This is the Fair Haven Shade Tree Commission meeting of November 5th, 2025 in accordance with the provisions of the Open Public Meeting Act. Public meetings may be held in person or by means of communication equipment to include
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continuously posted as required under this statute. With adequate adequate notice having been given, the Shade Tree Commission Secretary is directed to include the statement in the minutes of this meeting. >> All right, roll call. Christine
>> Leah Deani absent. Neil Bleer absent. Peter Datti absent. These are just alphabetical order. Mike D'Angelo >> here. >> Chris Larson here. >> Chris McCabe.
Rebecca Pleet >> here. >> Jill Sullivan here. Bonnie Toria >> here. >> Councilman La Barbara is not here. Also, President Burough Secretary Christy Larson, you have a quorum.
>> Good. Please stand. Join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. >> Okay. Uh, anybody have any questions about the prior meeting minutes? >> Motion to approve. approved. Motion second. >> Second.
>> Minutes approved. >> All right. Going to get right into the uh project updates and our agenda here. Um this is the time of year we got to address next year meeting dates. Um obviously we're first Wednesday of every
month and we'll probably keep it the same assume. And then um uh really the big topic is which month do we take off and uh we've been taking July off. It was brought to my attention that all the other commissions have been
taking August off. So that makes any sense or whatever since everybody's I don't know if we should all be on the same page. >> Um I think one of the reasons you were saying July was because it always falls
around 4th of July. Mhm. >> Um, but I'm fine with taking off August. So, I mean, I'm usually away in July, so it's better for me to take off July, but I'm open to >> It's better to take off. >> It's better to take off July for you.
>> For you, >> for me, but it's not all about me. >> Anyone anyone out there in Zoom land feel strongly one way or the other, >> August, July? >> I'm flexible. I'm pretty distracted in July because we
do, you know, sometimes we travel, sometimes we the stuff going >> first first Wednesday July is July 1st. >> Yeah. Whatever the majority wants. >> So if it's July 1st, it's like well it's like a student but it's
>> I guess I I honestly just a feeling regardless I think summer is always going to be hit or miss, right? July or August. >> Yeah. So I mean it's all the same. You can just line up with the brother group all the other commissions not to >> No, that's fine.
>> Okay. So um we'll take >> August we have to vote on that. Christy, is there a >> No, I will I'll send it to Betty, but you just have to come to a consensus. Um do you want to stick with your first
Wednesday of the month at 7:30 in person or hybrid? and your recess date if you would like one. I'm just going to try again still work for me, right? >> Except for January. What are you trying
to do about January? >> What happened in January? Is that Janu was that? What is what? The first Wednesday is that January 1st or something? >> Um January? No, it would be January 7th. >> 7th. >> There's no conflict. the council meetings on
>> seven. >> The first is September. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right. So, we'll do first Wednesday of every month and August off. >> The only other thing I'll say is when is
Easter because that would be when everybody takes off spring break. Not me. >> I looked at that and there was not a conflict. Um the only it would be April 1st and spring break is the following week.
>> So that works. >> All in favor? >> Good. Good. >> Good. All right. Um moving on. Resident tree buying program. >> Um >> doing
>> nothing much to add other than their planting this week. Um they were going to plan today and they got they broke down but they did one of my neighbors. Yeah. >> Right. But I don't think they got to everybody's refuge. So they're going to go the rest on Friday. >> Okay.
>> Um that's it. >> Yeah. I I met with um DJ this morning and we marked out the tree line for the community center. >> How far apart how far apart did you put them?
>> How far apart should they be? I'm just like, are they spaced like >> 25 ft? >> 25 ft. That okay. >> Good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, they should go they should go in on Friday. Yep. >> Yeah. Because they were at the bottom
list. But >> that's good because I we're supposed to get over the weekend. So, that'll be next. >> Perfect. >> And um >> Okay. So, good. How many in total you >> 20? Yeah. >> Cool. Good. Yeah, it's okay.
>> All right, good stuff. Um, we'll move on to the New Jersey Shade Tree Federation Conference update. We had a panel. We have a panelist right here, Dylan Sullivan. >> It was >> And you were there as well. >> I was there watching.
>> Yeah, it's great. >> Yeah. Um so the panel that I was on was uh community planting programs and it was myself um Manisquan
uh Delmare and Point Beach. Um and we just explained like how our relationship with Bernrook worked and kind of how our town managed the program. Um, and there was slight differences between our
towns, but generally the same. Um, and then we took questions and there was there was a lot of interest. >> Yeah. Um, >> which was which was good because we were like the new people on the block only for a couple years. Um, and everybody
else had been doing it for a long time. So, it was kind of good to get um, you know, a couple different experiences. Um but yeah, I mean >> Kevin was super appreciative of you being there too because yeah, he was up on the count too.
>> Yeah, I mean between our four towns I guess Belmore wasn't there but between our four four towns we are the bulk of his of his resident tree buying business like um >> every nobody else does it consistently.
Um, and so yeah, I mean I I was surprised to learn that, but um yeah, but I I think I >> Yeah, it's good. And that was in the afternoon and in the morning um we had a couple
different speakers. They have really interesting speakers. They had a um guy from the Netherlands who was talking about >> is yeah 330 >> which is um he's been doing a study just to see kind of the benefits of having trees and he said everyone should be
able to see three large trees from their home or workplace. Um, and the canopy in the town should be 30%. It's better at a minimum. >> And you should be within uh 300 uh yards
of a green space. Um, this is what they found. And they've really been talking it up all over Europe. He's from the Netherlands. So, and finding that it really does reduce medication needs and all sorts of other things. So, it's um he said it's something that master plans
should be considering like just trying to improve. You know, obviously in our little town we're in pretty good shape. Most people have pretty close to something. But, um >> did you tell them how awesome our canopy was at that point? Like we've
>> 30% is child's play. I did specifically ask a question >> because I said we'll have you have this conversation with people where you already meet the minimum um in order to kind of you know talk about the
importance of maintaining or improving that when you're well above this and basically his answer is saying this is like the bare minimum okay >> and you know you should always be improving on that the minimum you should do um you know of course he's talking about a lot of this from the perspective
of like a city um which is you know more strategic I guess in planning but I thought just to go to add on to what Bonnie was saying um about how this um you know this number is like something
that's easy to remember but it's being implemented and being demanded by the public to put into into planning like as as you know people are taking down buildings and like they are demanding that these benchmarks are met. Um and so
um I I found that to be like fascinating that this is like something that the public has like grabbed on to and um is is mandating that that be part of you know the public planning process. So >> and he made a big point of of think hard
before you take down a leap trade. Yes. You cannot put it back. true. >> It will never be back in your lifetime. And he said, "It really is, you know, right? Think hard about that." >> Which I think was the best speaker. >> Yeah, he was good. Then we had a a gal from Oregon who was talking all about
cultivars, which was it's not my favorite thing. Like I'm, you know, like I'm a purist. I like the straight species, but it was amazing what they go through. All the um little saplings, like 5,000 to find the one that is the best cultivar that is, you know, the
sturdiest and most Oregon is where they grow so many trees because it's such a little microclimate and they grow so fast there. I mean, it didn't make sense to me the shipping of the trees from Oregon, but it's just that it's the grow they grow so much faster. So we can do and of course it's
cheaper to grow a gazillion little trees to find the right cultivar, >> right? And so they grow them there and then they ship them to like finishing like finishing nurseries basically. >> Which I I had no clue that that happened either. Um >> so um firm breath though for the most
part is growing everything in New Jersey. >> Yeah. Um >> interesting. >> Yes. But she was that she was interesting too. I agree. And there's an international throat society. She had just come back from I
was like >> where was the meeting? >> They just got it done in Mexico somewhere. Um and then they're having >> next year. I'm like >> it doesn't matter yet go. You >> think we did the budget a little trip to Portugal? The shade tree commission
should probably be that there. >> Yes. Anyway, I know Bonnie says every year that that we should go to this and now I'll just jump on her bandwagon and say that I thought it was worth a day off to like kind of just Yeah. >> Yeah. You know, it was interesting. It
was >> just such a great group of people and you have lots of side conversations with people. Um Bill Brown was there saying we were talking some but yes, see this is on my floor. >> Yeah. So that was the lady
the cultivator. Yes. So, I have one already. If somebody wants to see it, she wrote something on that for me. So, if anybody wants to choose something degrees, I can take this one. I'll just >> um but I picked up this little thing
thinking this this could be a cute giveaway like if we did something like this. This is um these are seeds. >> Oh. >> And um it just made me think of Arbor Day or Love Where Live Day. >> Um so, Seeing that seats pressed into
>> Yeah. So I think the whole thing exactly this from dayish. >> Yeah. >> No, no, it's it's okay. >> So we found it where they did. But anyway, I thought that was maybe just get some from them.
>> I thought that was cute. Um and then I don't know if you want to follow up the education all these like >> Yeah, they have all these samplates that are from the Rday. I mean there's one big one on uh storm water which um you know we just upped our storm water
regulations a little bit and there was a question about how do you measure like how do you measure how much water is kept in a tree and this eye tree I was I was talking to Christie about it um I haven't been on that but I think you can
find out all sorts of if you put in information about your species and the size and you examiner figure that out. And the question is, like I brought this up to council meeting, if I live next to you and you're below me and I cut down my giant tree that's holding all the
storm water and your yard floods, like is that okay? Like it's my property, but I'm impacting you greatly by and this is what happened to a lot of council members that they her backyard constantly flooded down in our basement. >> I mean, it's like kind of like does Sherry weigh in on that? Did she ever
evaluate like the storm water impact of a tree removal? because I know she'll say it's you know it like there was just a big on Oxford down a monster willow and her report was that you couldn't safely
build next to this tree if you cut through it would become danger even though without >> but like should that be a consideration because everybody's getting more and more and more concerned about storm water >> so I'm just kind of curious if that's something we should
obviously is for Sam. >> It seems like >> I never hear that come up in conversation >> when she's evaluating. >> No. >> Um Christy, do you happen to know if that's I mean I know it's usually like you know it's dead or dying or it's
>> in the way or like you said it's in the way of the construction or something. Does she do you know >> it's not part of the application or part of the ordinance >> as far as like there's no denial mechanism >> for that reason that's what
>> that might be something we want to think about as a reamp that seemed like one of the more valuable uh >> criteria >> yeah and the yeah because you hear it all the time that somebody else is the artist is playing is what somebody else
did for me. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> But it might even appeal to the owner. >> You know, if you're if you're cutting down a big tree that's absorbing a lot of storm water, >> you might >> Well, you don't think about it. A lot of people would not think about that. Um
>> yeah, that's interesting though. I haven't thought about it. >> Um if a construction project, there's zoning code that says you would have to do dryw, you know, other mechanisms. So have as far as trees if they take on you know there's a replacement obligation.
So but obviously the form water impacts from removing the big tree and replace one of four little trees >> right. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um makes it interesting is should there be in that or something you know some
added. Yeah add that to our >> when we're thinking about things that we're revisiting. Yeah, I think that would be good new business topic for the next meeting. >> And then the other thing I picked up um which isn't really something that we
could do but it's maybe something we could pass off to schools is the sustainable New Jersey grants program where they have grants the grants bill for schools. >> So we're trying to get them as far as the New Jersey
program of school. >> Okay. Not just >> I know I think it's >> which is entirely different from the sustainable jersey that the burrow whole different >> but they can get huge grants >> like they could get a grant because I
was talking to them about >> by saying that there are hidden fields where the school practices they get a huge grant plant trees all around the fields like that the kind of thing they could do >> it's like a it's not a small thing and there's lots of money >> right no I think so this might be
something where we would want to partner with the school in order to kind of usher this >> right through >> and maybe focus on you know property that might be owned by the burrow so that makes it relevant to
us that the school you know as well like so you know so fair deals but also harder sportsman >> yeah sportsman is their property yeah but anyway that It does.
>> Can I see that? NJ feel like I'm going to uh I'll be at the league municipality show in a couple weeks in november. Was it two weeks? November 19th. Um and a lot of these same organizations will
be there. Um I'm there for the equipment end of it, but >> Wait, is this safe? >> Yes. >> Oh, yeah. Okay, cuz I'm going there for the green team cuz we're getting our silver award. That's the same spouse,
>> I think. So, same. Is it different days or three days long? You're going on Tuesday? >> I'm going on Tuesday. >> I'm going on Wednesday now. >> No, I was already planning. >> Um,
>> they were handing those out of >> But I mean, you'll see a lot of Have you walked the >> the show floor? Have you done that? I mean, you'll see a lot of this today. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Got all that paperwork at the New Jersey
school board conference from sustain. >> All right. Well, sounds very good. Sounds very interesting. And uh yeah, I guess we should really I don't like you said it was be worth going as a or try to get more of us to go.
>> Yeah, I think like you know if two people went every year or something like that if we had that kind of in our mind like I think that that would be budget. >> Yeah, >> whatever. I don't two of us but
did the whole game. >> Spring Lake had three >> people there. >> So, you know, >> it's just But we were still probably the best, right? From what you were picking up, right? Pretty much. Um All right.
There you go. Good. All right. Thank you very much for the update and thanks for attending. >> Pleasure. Um tree removal permit data take on passive
>> Christie. Can you email that? >> Uh, yes I can. >> Thank you. >> Might be able to share this one on 9:30. This is a monster. selling to a lot of >> it's new construction
>> September 30. >> How many is there a running total which I hate? history. >> I did this in August. It was 263 removals and 25
penalty on there. >> Yeah. What would do you know this that status? >> They had to pay for the fund because they removed it free without a permit. Where's that >> penalty fee? That was back in July. That
one like July. July. >> Yeah, this one popular. >> What was the $500 >> tree? >> Did they pay it? >> Yeah.
Okay. >> Do we know what it was? Just this one tree. Was it anything? Uh, >> was there a reason? >> I guess since they did it all on the table. >> Yeah. >> Some people say they didn't know they were supposed to file.
>> Who was denied? I thought I thought denials were >> this was a plan the so station >> uh >> the bolero >> he wanted to take down >> he wanted to take down that three but
the only it was denied because they didn't meet prior planning board >> request that he couldn't do anything further >> it's coming back I love it all the branches coming back. Coming
back where is that one that came was in June? No. >> Yeah. like this. So like when there's so many large scale tree removal reports requested by Fury for the ordinance if they're trying to remove more than 20% of the canopy and some people don't want
to do it and they just say never mind I'm going to keep the tree and they just revoke their permit >> really >> they get or they just like scale their because they don't want to do it. It's an expense and for the homeowner it slows down their process. So, some say I've been fine. I'm only going to take
down one or two trees then instead of the four or five that wanted to >> I've had that happen. >> Yeah. >> I would say at least five times that's happening. >> That's good. >> What percentage of this is hazard versus
like new construction? a lot of >> a lot of um >> because there obviously there's a decent percentage more of trees being removed this year versus last year >> like in August when I looked at this
hazards were almost triple >> okay >> and what I think we talked about the last meeting um there's one so far one homeowner that decided to pay to the fund instead of replace.
So you have $3,000 in the fund to plant with. >> Oh, in the new fund. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Um $3,000. >> Leilen Cypress Hedge
really tall hedge. I don't know. Okay. >> Just I'd love to see why they're hazardous. Why is a hazard because they're cutting into the root system of whatever they're
doing? They're causing a hazard or is it actually a hazardous tree? Is that a hazardous tree? Because it's I'm sure there's various reasons. You know, it's maybe half dead or the root system's a problem or whatever. Chrissy, can we maybe at our next meeting? Can we get a
couple copies of Sher's reports that she draws up? >> Yeah. >> So, we could see like it's like >> notes or checklist, >> sentences, what she writes about the tree. Yeah. And we could particular in particular like the hazard stages so we
can get a feel for what she's >> deeming hazard. >> Yeah. >> So that it's you know just a right. So what did you say the to so year to
date I'm just like maybe the public or anybody else wants to hear the trees removed to date is two over 250 >> yes and the trees planted today don't have
>> oh this year >> no >> so so far we're mandating 93 be replaced because it's not a one for one. It depends from the size >> that's from the >> res
250 out and we did how many in res7 >> 107 like those were in spring where somebody bought rain giants. Yeah. >> Sure. So that's not really >> and we
>> Yeah, that probably cuts down on our number, right? I guess because people were really buying up then we could really use a head jump. >> And that's why Yeah. But that's why he decided he want to do it. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. I when he said that I'm like I I
>> Yeah. >> And Chris, did you say 93 were replaced? Did I hear? That's what um I I ran this in August at the end of August and as of that time >> um there were 93 replacement
obligations. >> Okay. So it's 200. >> So Sher gives them a year to replace it. >> So they and then they send me a picture and if they they don't I remind them and they have and then they have 30 days or it goes to code enforcement.
Do we have um a requirement that goes along with this planting that they have to water and protect it? Is that part of the requirement? >> We talked about it being on their property like if they're just planting it. >> Well, just saying you have to plant you
have to plant these trees. You're required to plant these trees and when you plant them, just say you are required to water it and protect it. I cannot tell you how many trees I just keep seeing that are buck rubbed so badly and they're never going to make it. >> Yeah, I think that that's like an
education I feel like cuz I I mean >> like I don't know if we just give them a piece of fence like we somehow have like even Kevin planted right in my neighbor's yard. >> Um just he's leaving a big buck is walking out the street and he's like >> eyeball on it.
>> Yeah. And so I went over with some of those tubes that I had from and we put them on her trees and put a bag on the other ones and >> sorry. Um and uh I just I don't know. I feel like it should be like there are developers who
don't really care, right? The tree lives dies. >> They have to put it in because they have to. But like you're being protected at least have a chance. And if they say that they are going to water it then and mulch properly the one fell who planted ones and put the volcano on it then
probably not then maybe since I don't know I just feel like that should be part of the requirement you plant the tree and then you take care of it by watering it and protecting it and properly there's three things that go along with that. I don't know. Is that unreasonable?
>> Like in the letter we send that I attached to the permit, you know, per burrow ordinance, you're required to plant one two inch caliber and New Jersey native deciduous replacement tree property by October 1st. Rigid open mesh trunk arch should be provided to protect newly installed trees from buff rub. We
say all this in the letter >> provided by >> that. We do nothing. >> Okay. >> But we're trying to give them Sherry wants that in the letter. himself. They put it in. >> If they send a picture without it, can you say something
>> like what? >> Like the you're missing protection. >> No one go. >> I'm sorry. >> Like we don't go check on it. >> No, but don't they send you a picture of the tree?
>> Yes, it is planted. Yeah. Uh, if you notice that there isn't protection for the tree at that point, could you say something about that? >> I Yes, >> I don't know how to do this, but I just feel like it's important.
>> I got all this trouble. I may even a year or two later, >> right? >> Well, the point is that we don't we don't have replacement trees because we want to put trees in the ground. We we have replacement trees because we want trees to grow, >> right? We want a growing tree that grows into a bigger tree, right? Not that we
put in the ground and then dies to it. >> So, it's a good point. Like we're doing the first part, but not necessarily. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, to the guy like I mean are you are you asking if we can make it a like a findable offense or like
>> just a requirement just they need to protect you? >> Yeah. So Christy, that letter that Sher gives, that's she gives that when it's time to like she approves the tree coming down and here's your
letter. >> She just marks the back of the application with the her diagnosis and then I just write the letter. >> Right. And the letter >> like a boiler plate. >> It says buck rub protection motor.
I think should be required as Peter saying this is so >> yeah not a suggestion >> findable offense >> well I I mean I guess I don't I don't >> I'm not okay
>> it's fine like I'm just because other than like how do you require it like for approval I guess right so in the picture that is sent it should show now to buff up protection and
maybe get right out. >> I don't know. I mean, people could just go out and b their tree, but >> I mean the trunk guard >> that that you could actually see. >> Mhm. I guess I'm wondering if um
I mean at minimum maybe we could put in that letter a link to a gator bag a um tree bar that somebody could purchase on Amazon but it would be great if like you know we could say very good hardware
carries this stuff. >> Absolutely. >> Do they carry anything like that? I had no idea. >> I mean, >> no, but yeah, just think in a perfect world, you cut a piece of 4 foot, 5 foot
wire, you know, the that big of grid and you just use little zip ties and put it around. I mean, I've done it on much trees. I'm thinking like I they called me I mean if you have that fencing and I mean you can't ask DBW if you had somebody that would do it
and show them. I don't I don't know. It just it's just >> well it it's yeah so it's a requirement but it's also an education type of thing. So if it's a requirement, you know, I guess instead of
I don't know how Sharon word it, she it's recommended right now. Christine in the letter. >> Um yes. Wonder if we could just create like a should be like a page like a page two flyer that would go I'm assuming you
email that and you don't mail it, right? Uh sometimes they owe an inspection fee, so we print it out and they have to come pick it up so that they pay. Oh, >> but if there's no additional payment required, we email it. >> Yeah. >> I'm guessing you put some sort of
wireational template like in with the letter which could be emailed at the same time >> like you know that letter is really short so somebody might read page two. >> I just got a misalign talking like this.
Well, I just it's just something that maybe we can figure out something. Sherry maybe Sherry maybe it's worth asking Sherry >> she thinks best way to do it. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. >> Or every other day we offer to come
around and protect your tree. Little elves. Okay. Pick that around in the night. >> Street ninjas. >> Yeah, street ninjas. >> Um, yeah. I think I mean I think it's it's yeah, it's a fine idea. I think
it's a good something very good to I guess strongly recommend, but then it's like if you require it, then it becomes a >> you need to enforce it. >> You need to enforce it. It has to show up in the picture. We go back. All right. you know, when the picture comes in, it doesn't have any of this on it.
Then we go back and say, "All right, you're you're almost there. You're still not you're not in the clear yet. You haven't, you know, put the buck up." So, it has to be like some kind of official um >> like some sort of
>> if your tree has buck rub, it will die. It only has a x% chance of survival. Like, >> yeah, >> it's something that needs to be >> like if we were going to advertise some sort of ninjas coming around, it's like October, you know, right? Bunk rope
season's here. You need to protect your tree. What is that? And maybe this is our lovely lift day um uh table. We show people how to do it. Maybe that's And maybe we have free fencing that they can get with zip codes. Maybe we have it cut and they
could take it home, put on the tree right then and there. How about that? It's in the spring though. It is in the spring, but they could go to the following winter. I don't know. I don't know. >> Do we have um money? Because don't we
have to use our money by the end of the year um that maybe we could get some supplies or have some of that netting that we could keep to provide to people who are removing trees or planting trees like something that we offer. If we have money that we have to spend before the
end of the year, >> you have a vendor for that. >> Yeah, I just go to Lowe's. We just got it for be >> wire clippers. >> Lei, you want to go to Lowe's?
>> Do I want to go to Lowe's? >> Sure, why not? Um, >> I don't know. >> Where'd you get this? >> Huh? >> How much money do we have left now? >> I don't know. >> Leah makes a good point. He always
guesses. >> She's checking budget. >> Yeah, you have a few thousand we have after the tulips. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. How we have how much I know some of it we can carry to the next year
whereas some of it cannot you >> what cannot we carry is our is our trust money >> so the operating budget that you have about 3,000 left you um cannot carry
>> okay I mean where would we store it but I don't know I just maybe we should think about this or something because it would be useful >> place water like it was wasn't like we
decided to go with five in the community center it was where else you know for more it's always the same issue it's like >> logistics >> give back Don't give it back and just we'll have
it in our budget next year. >> No, >> but I think I think buying dancing and maybe some bags. >> I have a lot of gator bags in my multiple certain projects them out. But
um so >> so we need a quote for gator bags and we need a quote for fencing and we need to submit for a purchase order and we also need somewhere to store said items.
>> Can we offer them to people in town just like even if you are like if you've noticed isn't this the time of year that they're doing it too? >> Yeah. Um, like if you've noticed that your tree uh is getting back rubbing damage that we uh as the shade tree
commission kind of like marketing like hey we're going to provide this to towns folk who come first come first serve. Um I don't know. I don't know if I'm making if we're making more work for certain people but it would be useful maybe and
also would be good marketing for our commission. I I think it's a good idea. I just All right, here we are. What do we do? We want to buy this fencing and this gator bags. I mean, obviously, we're not going to buy
$3,000 worth of fencing and gator bags. So, um, when when is it, Christy? When's the last like PO of the year allowed to be issued? And >> probably by your next meeting, she'll
close the vote. So, we don't want to say about the house. >> It's about um it's cake. No, it's it's like um
so we just ordered some from Lowe's. The garden club affair had just ordered it for the trees that are going to be planted in the bird sanctuary bird sanctuary >> and DPW we ordered to pay for it at the garden put money which is not part of the burrow so we didn't need all that
but um DPW picked it up and they're going to cut it put it around the trees um garden sanctuary for the garden. I don't know if they would mind keep paying it for us. Um, >> how much did you spend on it? >> Thousand bucks
for trees was 100 >> is it and what you did was that like around individual trees or was it like a fence? >> So we we're having shrubs so we're going to have to have a big enclosure and then we're going to have trees so it's going
to be smaller just around the trunks. So I try to measure it out the thing here. Um and uh yeah. So I mean and if you spend over I think it's $1,000 you can get a you know
set of an account with Lowe's. And I mean the the burrow has an account. They buy stuff all the time. So I think you could easily get it from the brows. >> Okay. Is it is it in a roll of vision? >> You get 50 or 100?
>> 100 ft. Okay. >> 100 is very far to carry and handle. >> So, personally, I always if I'm doing it myself, I do 50. >> But DVWs involve you get 100. It's cheaper. >> But, um, >> well, yeah, you want
it manageable. Two rolls of 50. How much >> cheaper could it be? Yeah. And then you just need a state >> a state >> where two >> well we're talking about like
>> so I mean basically we're talking about >> distributing this to the town so or to residents so this 50 ft of wire needs to be cut into >> you put diameters >> give or take right
>> and then trade I mean you have a 2in tray I don't want it that big. >> Yeah, >> I I know. I'm picturing it because Did we talk about that? I feel like we talked about this at a meeting that we're >> the those trees at the community center we put fencing around and tree and the
deer were still like just like we could reach that still. So I I'm assuming you you'd want some kind of perimeter around the >> Yeah. The other thing is you just want don't want the weed whackers um don't run deep as doing the trunk. So
>> well we're talking about private guys. So you like or private properties. >> So >> do you want me to >> do a few calculations? I am >> sure. >> Um and then let Christie do the
>> Yeah. >> Well, yeah. And that's fine. But we also we there are other things like if we're going to distribute this material to residents, they're going to need a place to come and pick it up. We're going to need to be able to cut it to length. >> We're going to need to know what that
length is or we'll just give them a standard like >> they also need instructions. Like I would like I wouldn't know what to do. I would I would text be like what do I do? >> All right. Maybe that should give away a little bit.
>> Yeah, that's what I was saying. Give a piece. Um no, I mean by And then we just have >> make a video of you doing your own tree. >> I'm serious.
>> Yeah. And like with you know how to do it and you could like then you could just say okay watch this >> YouTube difficult. I know I think you know people most people figure out. >> Well >> I'm just thinking the the logistics behind it like we can get this stuff. We
can get two rolls of 50. >> Not a problem. All right. Now what? We have the stuff we have to we have to cut it. >> If we just agree to like a three foot >> length so it can >> fold that'll give us what a foot and a
half worth the diameter you know >> we need to protect those tool trees the day they go in. >> We community center >> rub protection and gator bags for those. >> Okay with through front.
So, but back to this. >> How do I do this as an individual? Like, if I had one tree that I would do this for, >> what would I do? >> You could just put chicken wire. It's anything that is going to prevent the bug from You could just I mean, put
a piece of chicken wire >> around it. You know, just wrap it. It's just to prevent them from getting that, you know, that nice smooth. But but I'd have to come up with my own kind of game plan for there's not like a kit I could buy or something. >> There are tree covers and there also
those plastic things, you know, that have a slit. They're like a tube with a slit and you >> put them on. They're just not they're okay to put on this time of year and then take them off cuz they can get moldy during the summer. >> So we could those too just tree guards.
>> Yeah. >> You know what I'm talking about. I just don't like the >> idea of it potentially ruining the tree as well. >> So, >> um All right. So, do you want to how about do you want to look into some
pricing and we can discuss this more in the next meeting because I mean >> Yeah. Do you want to do we need to approve anything budget wise or up spending up to a certain amount of money or anything >> or No, we can do that at the next meeting. I think we can do that the next meeting. It's the first what is it?
What's our meeting next week? 12 or this 12th meeting 12 >> December 3rd. >> Oh, so we missed we missed the vote on this critical season anyway. Like really, >> right? Right. >> I mean, so this is
maybe if we, you know, if we use this year's budget to buy some of the supplies, we could come up with the logistics of it. That's fine. No, >> for you know, >> but I'd like to know I think it makes sense to know like how much we can get
and how much it costs and then we could probably at on December 3rd we could >> might be early enough to still get a PO through. >> Yeah. Kind of like >> Yeah. Like decide how many how many trees we're going to wrap or
>> Yeah. Or Yeah. Exactly. Like how many >> Yeah. and come up with a a length to distribute. You can't just >> 50 foot roll. Here you go. You win. >> Yeah. I mean we also at that point kind of know I mean we kind of know now but
like 90 something trees have to go back in um according to the permits like so we can kind of plan for you know a similar situation next year >> where we'll have to you know as somebody is like planting their tree we tell them
come and get this from whatever this >> might be when your tree goes in >> you know like that can almost make it sound more like it's required perhaps. >> Yeah. >> And who's going to cut it and where you
going to store it? Right. >> Yeah. >> It also feels like less like I don't know like less of a chastising moment to be like by the way we provide these to pro protect your trade. for everything in a 2 inch calendar. So
>> I mean my neighbor got a sweet bay magnolia which is kind of a shrub. So we put a big piece around hers. I had some in my garden helped that on. >> Okay. >> And so there are different sizes for different things. >> Next time video yourself. >> Get it up on our social media.
>> We were doing it about 5:30 dark. Um, all right. Sounds good. So, yeah, just let's get some numbers together for two 50 foot rolls. Um, I'm assuming they don't deliver, right? But we could
>> No, yeah, >> I'm just curious. Okay. As I said, >> pricing fencing >> bags, stakes, zip ties. We want the whole like we can
come up with shade tree kit. >> Shade tree here prevention kit. >> The STDP. Okay. >> Make like a little like flyer to go with it with the instructions or like a QR
code to Bonnie in a video putting it around a tree. Like >> it might be better to go too. I'm just making this thing lightweight. The other thing they use snow fence, you know, with the wooden slats with the twisted in between. They use that over at um
>> Harorn and it's really attractive looking. >> Yeah. >> I don't know where you get big rolls of snow fencing. I don't >> I like the idea of a QR code going right to Bonnie. I think that's a great idea. >> Like you scan a QR code and it goes straight to Bonnie. >> Yeah, that would be a great idea.
>> Yeah. >> Bonnie, how do you feel about wearing a GoPro camera on your head? >> All right. Well, >> okay. Good. >> Um, >> education series. >> Yes. Moving on. >> Speaking of which, this might be part of
our education series. Um, I mean, so, um, do you want do you want me to start talking about that? >> Are we on the next one? Um, so, Kelly Flanigan, the chair of the environmental commission, and Jesse Marie, who's also on there, um, have been trying to put
together some educational workshops. They want to do some things on like storm water, on energy saving. Um there we just found out um a watershed shed ambassador um a young man who
worked at the park with Mon County Parks who will come and do workshops education. So working with them I told the post I'd love to do something about trees too and maybe this could be part of it and we have this and you know Bill G did such a good job when I went down and he burned him at Real Library. He's
very personable and he had a great slideshow and he can talk about this too. So, um, >> they've been talking to Rutgers trying to get because Rutgers offers a lot of things and they're just having trouble getting they're so busy right now. But anyway, so I'm working with them on this
so >> Okay, >> sounds good. >> And that's another thing. Do we want to do we need approved if we wanted to participate with them with the environmental commission? Do we need to approve a partner budget like something
to kick in money? Do we need to do that? Mhm. >> We do. >> Yes. >> Maybe at the next meeting we could approve like up to $300 or something to put toward educational 500 or something. I don't know. >> Yeah. Educational series. >> Yeah.
>> Does that happen this year? >> Uh it's not going to happen before the end of the year, but >> but do so do we need to approve for next year? That would be >> uh soon she's going to request budgets from commissions. Okay. So that'll probably be included in your net for
>> 2026 budget request. >> Okay. >> So if if we encumber the funds, do we have to we don't necessarily have to use them by the end of the year though. >> I think you do. >> I don't encumber, but you have know what you're doing.
>> No. Oh yeah. Yeah. >> Like would I know by the next meeting? >> Yeah. Like specifics >> or close. I could talk to Bill Brush and see if I can book him or >> Yeah. I mean, do we we have to have a date, Christie,
of this thing? >> I don't know if it can carry over. I'll talk to There's very strict rules. >> What do you want me to ask? If you can do >> if we were going to say have a speaker for next March pay for it now.
>> Yeah. Next census. >> I would know. But >> does the speaker need a deposit? >> Maybe. >> I don't know.
Okay. So, working on it. Yep. >> All right. Sounds good. Uh, we're going to move on to the Fair Haven Road Cherry Trees situation. Um, Leia, I know you sent an email about this and, um, it was kind of hit
everywhere when this went down. Um, is anybody familiar or for anyone's not familiar with the fair heavy cherry trees? There's some work being done in that area. They were supposed to be, uh, I guess carefully pruned back um, with
regards to being able to see the signage and, you know, uh, the intersection and everything like that. Well, they were chopped pretty well. I mean, they weren't, you know, crop topped or anything like that, but it was, you know, it just wasn't done in a careful
manner in the way they were instructed by the town to do it. So, um, I do have a, uh, memo from Chris Hu that went out the day this happened. I could read it for everyone, uh, certainly on on board
here. >> Um, so this was on >> Wednesday. Um, how much longer is it going to be before you hear citizens? >> We have one, two, three more
uh line items to get through and then new agenda items. >> Are you leaving? >> That your sweater's here. Are you leaving? >> Yes. Well,
>> your just ask if you would just ask me what when I'm sitting there for >> we could discuss it for a second or two. I've served on lots of committees in the town and usually there's an effort
to listen to someone if you got something short to say before you go through the agenda. >> I'm I'm apologize when I say >> Jacob I apologize. Um >> you do you have a copy of the Okay.
Yeah, he wanted to talk about deer the health the forest health survey. >> Okay. >> Is it would it be a >> Sure. Go ahead. >> Do you want >> Do you want to >> do you want to talk now?
>> Thank you. This is actually work that Bonnie and I have been doing and the concern was really um dear and it's been a concern for many years now
and there's been virtually I think it's fair to say um little progress toward solving the problem. there's been a lot of discussion uh but it hasn't progressed to the point where you could really decide how you
would solve the problem and and I was struck tonight uh by uh your discussion I think it was deer and fencing and I kind of wondered about the proportion of time spent on deer
protection versus protection from deer and I think there's a major difference and I think that um that sort of treatment only works on small scale
doing a lot of it doesn't work for things like the natural area. Um there has been a report just recently um and this actually started I think our recent discussion u blind pointed out
that she hadn't seen a copy and I had been pushing uh Chris for a long time. >> This was a forest held survey that the council do remember it. So the truth came out. >> Yeah. Sorry finally came forth with it.
But I'd been bothering him for a long long time and I think just out of I think that's the only reason I got a copy. Uh and then I gave it to >> the official report came out but nobody on the shade Christy was on it. Right. You you got >> Yes. and Drew was going to discuss it
tonight, Councilman Law Barbara, but then he did not know >> and and we're about there and the um I had walked with Sherry through the area to discuss it and I think you was
uh it's very difficult to see a an immediately actionable item in her report. So it's yet more again two years of waiting. So my thought was that
perhaps the Sha Tree Commission could uh get started u profitably on at least trying to form some understanding between the uh on the
peninsula. Um Drew L >> you guys work with um told the natural area committee that he couldn't support action against deer as long as
uh little silver and rumson said that they wouldn't cooperate. And the thought would be that you guys appreciate the fact that uh natural activities tend to go across boundaries
and your concern necessarily involves uh things that come across boundaries. In particular, your concern is deer. And one of the reasons you're concerned is that you have to put a lot of fencing around them as long as you have them.
And as long as you can't do anything about it, you're going to be continuing to do that. And you're going to continue to get degradation. >> So my thought was to see if you saw any
advantage to be had by approaching the two other shade tree commissions and say we have a natural interest here. um and explain to them why it's in their interest to be involved.
The deer go both ways. And in addition, uh Ridge Road has a sign that says, "Beware of deer who are striking the car. They're dangerous." And that is comes across the boundary
between Rumsons and Silver and Fair Haven. So, I just wanted to propose or suggest or um that you might consider talking to them and dealing with the
problem as three connected communities who have a common interest. >> Drew, >> good problem. >> It makes a lot of sense. >> Makes a lot of sense. Very good idea. It's the it's I think Drew is right in
saying it's hard to see yourself doing a lot of work as long as you know that the deer that we remove >> their grand their grandmothers and fathers will be coming back across the street >> and uh there's that's not u it's not
rocket science and I think and the shade tree commission them and you really do recognize and understand that that's a fact and it's a fact best deal with
by the three shade tree missions. >> Well, yeah. I mean, we can make a recommendation. I mean, the biggest problem here is nobody wants to address the >> solution.
Yeah. Which is why it's stuck. >> Yeah. One of the things I think is very important, and this is the last thing, but one of very important is that we're actually concerned about the deer because we would like to reduce the population to the point where they have
plenty to eat so they don't have to eat our trees and our understory. >> So, it's this is not a deer destruction program. This is it a deer habitat enhancement program as much as
it is anything else. And that's one of the reasons why you really want to cooperate. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Good suggestion. >> I appreciate your time. >> Yeah. Sorry.
>> I forgot my hearing aid tonight, which is >> Don't forget your coat though in your chair. >> Yes. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, David. >> Yeah, I know. I know he's just like [Music] anyway. >> But I mean, it's a good idea. Yeah,
>> for sure. I mean I just don't um you know how much of this is going to fall we can make recommendations as you said and I think and you know a little collaboration maybe across town's point is I honestly I never give much thought
>> but yeah of course there's going to be an issue like if we could take care of them here but they're >> still all around us so that's good. >> Yeah. So I don't know if in um >> we did send that memo months ago, but I mean I know they don't I guess the deer
hunt thing is kind of is that kind of a dead issue. >> They were waiting for CME to complete this for health survey. That's talked about. >> So that was the and then they're going to evaluate the findings and go from there.
>> Who is who's the council I believe? So, I mean, I've read the report. Did you Did you share it with >> Drew has it and he was going to share it with everybody here tonight? >> He basically Sherry went in there with Dick Fuller and took different areas and
analyzed them for deer brows and the health of the forest. And her report basically said a lot of deer brows and it's, you know, a lot of trees are rubbed. and she suggested cordoning off fencing off some areas as a trial, but you know, just to see if it
grows back. Well, I'm pretty sure that if you protect it, it's going to grow back, right? And I think that's why was saying wait two years because she said wait for two years. I I don't know if that's the solution. So, this report was done, but >> it was not did not say I recommend
>> or anything like that. So it's it's kind of >> unfortunately I think it's a lot of because it's you know because it's government there's got to be a lot of we got to go to this we got to go through this process we got to go through this process and we got to cover all our bases and get as much information as we
can to who knows what the solution will be but to get to a point where you're pleading your case for whatever that solution may be >> I I know I mean it doesn't matter >> the idea was if if the other tree commissions like that. Have you ever
talked to the chairman of Robson and >> Yeah. >> Silver? >> Would you email them to do that to see what they're just to satisfy Dick's request? >> Sure. >> Yeah. No, I definitely I mean >> I wouldn't I wouldn't be opposed to it. No.
>> Okay. >> I think it was a good idea. I do think it was legitimate idea. It should have been good. >> I just feel bad that he was going to storm out the media. Um, but anyway, cherry trees on fairing road.
>> Thank you. >> Um, I I was about to read this memo, I think. Is that where we left off? Right. So, >> this was this was Wednesday, October 29th. Um,
Chris sent out this memo. It says this morning at approximately 9:00 a.m. Sunshine Tree Service, the subcontractor for discovered construction was stopped by engineer Rich Gardella for not following the selective pruning instructions that were part of the
safety enhancements to the Fair Haven Road Ridge Road intersection. On Monday, October 27th, Rich had a separate pre-construction meeting with the subcontractor to outline the selected pruning work of the cherry tree canopy, which covers the southbound lane of Fair
Haven Road approaching Ridge Road. Last month, Mayor Halpern, Rich Gardella, Nick Pinsky, and I met with Mammoth County Engineering and Mammoth County Shade Tree to discuss safety enhancements to the intersection. Month County Engineering explained that one of the contributing factors causing
motorists to not see the blinking red light red uh red traffic signal and stopping was that the tree canopy was obstructing the view contrary to NJ DOT standards. They informed us that we needed to prune the canopy to make the approach to the intersection safe. As
part of the safety enhancements to the road project, we added that to the scope of work. When Rich met with the subcontractor on Monday, this was explained in detail along with the goal to only selectively prune the trees in a surgical fashion to improve the line of
sight while at the same time protecting the canopy of the 35 cherry trees to be pruned. At 9:00 a.m. this morning, the employees working for the subcontractor did not follow this directive and began to completely cut back the canopy covering the sub southbound lane of Fair
Haven Road just north of Buttonwood. Of the 35 trees, only approximately six trees were affected, which I have attached pictures of. Um, I think Chrissy can put those up. Rich immediately shut down the job and remove the subcontractor from continuing any
work. Does not appear that the trees were irreparably harmed. The canopy should grow back. However, I have reached out to the to Sherry Sparro to respond to the scene to inspect this. Um as per Mayor Halpern brief the statement
to the resident residents explaining this issue will be posted on our Facebook page. Know is the statement um pretty much reiterates uh what Chrisy just said. At approximately 9:00 a.m. the B fair shut down subcontractor who
was working on the fair haven road improvement project for not following the approved plan to selectively prune the cherry tree canopy covering south brownly. Um I want it's it's basically exactly what Chris just said. um in that number of
dooms. >> So it looks like, you know, instead of just kind of carving out a a line of sight and kind of looks like they just kind of went up the side of the
u trees, the first I guess first you said six trees. >> Huge curve right there. >> I didn't realize there are any that's a huge curve. cut through all the roots, too. >> They also had a lot of heavy equipment on it the other day, which I mentioned
in my email, but I don't know. >> They had it on the trees. >> It was like parked in between the trees, just sitting there. No one was there working. It was just where they were keeping the equipment. >> And it just felt completely unnecessary
to keep it there. >> Um, as a followup, I did ask uh Drew if there was any update. Um the contractor did in fact fire the subcontractor, but so far that's that's
where they're at right now. But >> so they didn't complete the work on the other trees. >> I don't I don't know. I don't I don't know how far back they went. I I think they only did the six trees from the
corner. >> Um >> I drove by there today, but it was still this morning it was still it was all blocked off like construction or work had resumed. Um so I couldn't go down there this morning. Tonight when I got
home warm it was really too dark to see anything. Um, I feel like because these trees are so important, like someone from the town, I know it's saying, I mean, I'm asking a lot because, you know, I don't work in the town. I don't know what what the workflow is
like, but because these trees are important and so many of these people just don't care. They just won't have the same care we do. Um, and having having someone from the town to kind of keep an eye on it and make sure that everything because they're, you know,
sub I mean it's not the first time something like this has happened, you know, with subcontractors. Um, is it I know that the people that were reaching out to me were upset and worried and asked why no one was there.
Um, and I when it's something like these trees, which the town really loves and is really part of our our our town and like the buttonwood trees, um, it I feel like it makes sense to have somebody there to kind of at least make sure it's getting started, right?
>> Yeah. >> Never. >> So, I walk past and they really butchered the six trees. They're not at the corner. They're the beginning of the tree.
>> Yes. >> They took so much off of it. I think they have endangered the trees. I mean, >> yeah, >> it's bad. >> And they didn't they didn't even do a good trimming job that >> No, it doesn't appear they were
>> they were they were chopping, not fing, >> right? There were stumps. There was that. It's not how you trim a tree. Sure. Um, >> but it does look like it was only one of those six like right towards wood and then it doesn't look like they're
touching any kind of a use of funds at the end of the year. We could re I mean we talked about like putting a new cherry tree in between like in in anticipation of them >> um >> aging out and dying and now they're damaged severely.
>> Yeah. Well, possibly. I mean, my thought was um I I feel the impression I got from Drew and I think there'll be more discussion about this and I haven't seen any official word yet from Sherry on what she
>> thought. So, I was going to follow up with her, but I really do think I mean at the very least what we can do um is I send a memo to council. So it would be a matter of record that you know I think obviously this contractor needs to be
held accountable and well yeah I mean obviously but should these trees not make a comeback um and as you pointed out I I didn't notice that the uh the curb line
situation I mean they could have gone through this whole row of trees for all we know >> um I think they need to be held accountable and I think they should be responsible for replacing any of these trees that die.
>> Yeah. um whether or not we'll I mean but I I mean at the very least I I would write a memo with you know everybody else thinks that it's a good idea and um anything else that can go in the memo or put in the memo but um but I really I think
contractor should be the one to replace these traies to our satisfaction and I think you know again we'll wait to hear from Sherry but I mean my approach would be like I I you really have to look at it like those
treat given their age to begin with and >> the shock treatment that they just went through. I think it's a >> I think it's a problem. I think it's a I think it's a really big shame. Um, >> I'm just thinking $3,000 if we wanted to
use it to buy some cherry trees this fall and have a plant them and I'm not gave her that. >> Yeah. Um, but again, we have to find out the timing issue with with the money to
the POS if we can >> I don't know that >> pre charges there are now they won't get enough sun with the other ones. Yeah, if you if you guys recall, remember when we were we were over there and we I mean
this is years ago now, but they were talking like part of Fairhead Fields. I'm sorry, the um the woods there has to have to be cut back and it had a lot of invasives, but that would have impeded the light for the qualms and cherries
and anything we would plant. So, I think that there was a plan to cut that back. I don't I don't think it's happened, though. But I don't think planting would make sense until that had happened because you're right, Joel. It's not going to get enough light. >> That's true. What about going around the
corner down ridge? >> We talked about that though. >> It's so much sun edge of the >> natural area and the natural areas. I mean, he's actually looking to add green there. >> So when people are walking in the natural area, you know,
>> the sound of cars going by is muffled. That means that would kind of be a nice you have to stretch it all the way down there. >> It's under the wires, but they don't grow that big. >> Sure. >> I I mean, but we get
>> All right. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, the natural area I mean, well, I don't want to get off too off topic. We But I mean that that's something a project a good project probably in the future to work with the natural area because they're the ones that are going to have to be somewhat
responsible for trimming that area back to get the um cherry trees more like outside. Um, but if we can and um Christy, could you find out if we're
able to again we wouldn't be planting these things until the spring? I just I I don't >> I love the idea, but I don't know that we could >> would come back for if we winter >> or
>> I don't know. They would they land in the natural area in San last year, >> but we could get trees in before the end of the year >> to get the council >> council approval. >> Yeah, that that whole thing. Yeah, it
only took like four months to get the trees in the community sign. Um >> Yeah. >> Um I just on the chair trees, so the curb is going in which is concerning for the roots. Is there also a sidewalk going in there?
>> Not on the natural side. They put >> Yeah. Yeah. Just Yeah. >> Just the Okay, good. >> But I don't even think it's the left block to the street to the to uh Bridge Road. >> Was there a curb before? >> Did they?
>> No. But there was there's been since there's been so much development um button the water coming down buttonwood is just all a sudden eroding all the roots around those cherry trees it's been worse and worse >> um
curb the erosion going >> well >> yeah I don't know >> I do wonder if the curb might protect a little bit of the salt coming off the road too for the roots Look at that. >> They were better before they were cut. That was for sure.
>> Well, that's fair. >> I think I don't know. >> Um, >> do do we know if Sherry went out there yet? >> She was supposed to go and evaluate the trees. I have not heard anything.
>> I have not yet. >> So, >> can we follow up with her? >> Follow up with her tomorrow. Send her an email. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> 250 cherry tree sound. >> Well, then it's definitely going to be a
next year. >> Okay. for give us a good quantity discount. I guess that I don't know 100 bucks. Um, yeah. No, that's like [Music]
>> all right. So, we're going to move on to the priority planting location list. And we discussed it last meeting and probably the meeting before like anybody well I guess we kind of already started coming up with some priority planning this ridge road cherry trees and now I
guess really this should probably depending on what happens with these trees. This this area really should be the variety planting >> the cherries >> cherries and additional cherries in
surrounding areas. >> Anyone else have >> I was I always think very revealed is very >> even Bill Brash walking around there. His first impression was like while you eat trees big time >> like around the around the walking
paths. Yeah, like on the outside of the fields all on there. >> There were huge trees out there. I remember not too long ago when we I'm that was like 12 years ago, not even >> around >> like the path
uh coming kind of on the other side of um Meadowflower like that path in front of there by like Marter I think it's Marter that leads into there. Like if you walk, you can still see the >> out a bunch. I think the
>> maybe Sandy was silent. >> What happened after that? Cuz we moved in after that and I remember because >> those trees also had batous >> on the tops of them. >> I love bats. >> Yeah. So that's what I always I always
wondered like, >> you know, this was before I was on the train. I had no idea what happened to those trees. They were just unless they were >> I don't know if they were dead dying. They were considered hairs. I mean they were big. >> Yeah. >> I mean those stumps are huge. But they had
>> every one of them had a bat house on it. >> Yeah. >> So that would be Yeah, that would be a good idea. >> That's great. So replace Yeah, >> because if under ordinance now they took one down, they have to mine back, right?
So should them back. So yeah, that's good. I still think the corner of um the community center baseball field on Cedar and third I think all up and down third is is a
great location because the kids up and down such a nice >> she Yeah. Well, where um >> right where the baseball
>> Yeah. So I I mean I've had over the past few months I've been able to have a lot of conversation with TJ about you know planning here there and whatever. Um I think it's a good idea. I think we've talked about it. I I think behind each
back stop for each field I think would be great in even the fields um in Fingham fields for the baseball fields. I I think that's there's going to be a lot of like resistance just because of you know debris falling down on home
plate this that and the other thing. I'm not saying it can't be done. I just think if you if we want to focus our efforts on something that would probably get done a lot quicker. I think varying fields and the cherry tree
projects should probably take up. We should use our energy there. And I think they're both good projects. Um I just I just feel like cuz I don't know how many trees you can get like the
corner a third and uh >> cedar. Cedar >> you put like five if you put smaller trees. >> I think you got five trees. >> Yeah.
>> Pretty big. There's a pretty big um space between the >> Yeah, I really did think he wanted to have actual shape. Do you think we should invite um uh do you say DJ Breenidge? Who who
would help like with that decision and or someone from baseball like like that knows you know what their needs are cuz it's hard cuz we're not we don't know exactly what their needs are except that they need shade that we know. Um, but like if maybe we invited them to a
meeting to like have a conversation together about what would make sense so that they understand what our goals are and we understand what their needs are because we keep bringing it up but we we keep kind of getting stuck because we don't know. >> Well, get them on board. Yeah.
>> You try. I don't think it's going to go our way. >> No. >> Mike is he um banana. >> Yeah. >> Super guy. Nice guy. Yeah, >> but he's the president of baseball and I know um for now I mean it's always a he
could be gone next year. Who knows like who will be up next, but I when you start talking about planting trees around fields, there's a lot of like what where you know you're taking up space for our warm-up pictures.
You're taking up space for the I mean >> I'm assuming they're not warming up on the corner of Cedar and Third, right? >> No. No, that damn. No, I mean I'm just saying like we could do it. >> Um, and I know him and I'm, you know,
probably be happy to come. I just >> I always wonder if like baseball players if they would sponsor a couple treaties or something, you know. >> Maybe. >> Yeah. >> I think honestly I I I've just I know this because I've come through it all.
>> Yeah. >> And I know I feel like trees are in the way as far as baseball fields are concerned. >> It's just so brutal sitting on >> Oh, it's it's terrible. We all like but
I think I think there is a balance there and I think like you know what we did along that that path I think it's you know when I was looking at it today and I looked at the trees like you know the sun comes in from over here so you're going to get you know shade cast
>> all along that you know third baseline the bleachers there >> um I think it's going to be really really nice. >> So there's stakes in the ground showing where they're going to go. >> Yep. Yep. Um, I have pictures and Christie, do you have your
[Music] I think Mike also texted us some pictures. Um, >> but I mean they're Yeah, they're st just right along that. Uh, >> I'll email Christie right now. >> Okay, that's fine.
>> And these tulips are I can't remember. Are they a variety that's like shorter or something? Is there something special about them? Do you remember? I know they I can't remember they did not drop any kind of fruit or debris. That was kind
of crucial. Um they grew rather fast. >> Um but they weren't I guess like an overbearing messy tree that something would be like you eventually start getting in. And I don't believe I'm
interested in the root system too is not particularly like doesn't spread too much. >> Yeah. >> Um >> and they were hearty, right? They were like a very hearty tree.
>> Um >> really big trees. Big tree project. Um, forget my words here, but >> um, >> okay. So, >> but I'm I'm game for all of it. But I I
think, you know, we want to we can choose our our balance, but if we want to >> I guess like I think that the one cedar and third is is small like that we're either going to get a yes or get a no.
Like I don't know that we shouldn't do that because of the other two things. >> I mean there's I think we could handle three blending projects in a year. >> Yeah. Okay. >> As long as we have like >> Yeah. But um
>> you know like if that's if if baseball organization and wreck is not going to get on board, it's not going to happen. Bush there. I don't know. But you know >> I already that's what I'm saying. I guess I >> I already got the impression that it was
like behind the back stop. So, it's like >> Yeah, >> they didn't like it. They didn't like the idea. >> Yeah, I think >> cuz I did bring it up when we were like originally talking about the >> dragon like some pictures of other
>> fields that have trees behind the back stop. Yeah, that's a good idea. >> They're not in a perfectly straight line, right? >> No. No. So, basically they >> Well, you see it by the bleacher there. It's kind It kind of
>> the path kind of goes like this. So, we just kind of followed it along there. >> You just wanted >> like maybe the last match little >> like a little zigzag. >> No. Yeah. Not perfect. >> There are regulations. You see that outer fence line there? Right.
>> Would you mind sharing the screen? >> So, anything like any kind of obstruction, tree, benches, bleachers, whatever has has to be 10 ft >> from the >> from that fence line >> from the trunk.
>> So, that No. Well, so from that fence line, the trees have to be 10 feet that way. This way. And then >> but there's also the path. So we obviously we wouldn't want to plant them right on top of the path. So we were trying to find a kind of a happy medium
maximize that get the 10 ft >> from that fence. >> Mhm. >> And but also give them a good, you know, good space from the >> And there are no sprinklers on this field then. >> There's no sprinklers, power lines,
anything. >> Be great. It is gonna be great. >> So, >> our two locus on the other side. >> There will still be room for something maybe in the future further or closer to Third Street.
There's still some room there. I don't know. >> Yeah, there's a gap in the sweet bumps. >> There's a little gap there, but >> I don't know. Sherry mentioned, you know, it could be nice for something like a ornamental situation there, but I don't know if there's a plan with DJ
brought it up. There's a lot of runoff right now from the street onto that path. >> It's kind of a very like locked up area there. So, >> even though they are right now, >> but >> or right now it's been it's like it's
it's basically Third Street and then that little parking lot there and water just kind of runs right off the street through the lot and into that path right there. Very interesting. It's It's always very
>> like ruddy and sloppy. He was thinking that they were going to eventually do something, put like a maybe a curve line there at some point, >> walk off. >> So, we only we I think we're still there's another fence line by where
those other trees are. >> So, we're still another 20 ft back from there. So, there's still something. So, do we need to approve a budget? Like, how much money we want to spend next year? I I know we joked about like
I keep saying 250th. I feel like we should all be doing something for this big birthday coming up next year. Planting 250 trees is not out of the realm of possibilities if you decide
that it can be little trees and we don't have to have immediate gratification. And the I've just been to a couple seminars lately that is really making me believe that it's you're better off putting in these younger trees because their root, you know, instead of cutting
them out of the ground and cutting up all their roots and balling them up and bringing them over, these young trees can be more gently removed the bare root trees and put in and they more quickly established and they catch up with the bigger trees in a couple years and
they're healthier because they know they have to overcome this. And I don't know. I mean, you can get Google marker day. I mean, $8 to 12 or something. I know it's it's a hard thing for people to say, "What is that?" I mean, you still have to protect them with something. The deer
will come and eat them, but I don't know. I just think we could do a bigger project if we were willing to not have instant gratification. And maybe think about It's just a thought. I mean, I I'm fine with that. I I'm not even I
mean obviously what everybody else thinks too, but I I wasn't >> I don't know. At least for me, it wasn't instant gratification. It was more about like something that was going to survive, >> right? And >> well, you have to protect them obviously. Yeah. >> So,
>> but you have to try big ones too. >> True. But I mean I I just always felt like you probably had a little better >> Yeah. >> better odds with something. But any way that we're going to get >> the town on board to care for 250 troops.
>> Well, see this is what um you don't need. >> Well, there there is that, >> right? >> Um >> 250 put in a bunch of little ones. Yeah. >> Okay. So, I mean, could we, you know, is that something we want to talk about
contributing to or >> you know, because You have to think 250 250 location. >> I didn't know if you were you were like looking I know you were going to like do
we have to approve 250 locations. >> Yeah. You know um you're you're talking about flying under the radar. I feel like you're >> Oh no. Oh no. Not me. Not you. Um, >> um, but
yeah, so I mean there's there's that. >> Well, another on the >> I know this from my other job is that volunteer volunteerism is a huge is like
250 to push. >> Yeah. So that could be something that we could kind of incorporate maybe if we're not doing 250 trees but maybe it's 25 trees and each of those trees I can't talk has like 10 10 hours of volunteer
>> power behind it or something like that. So in the combination we wind up with >> 250 >> things or whatever something. And then we also could think about giving out these small like far order from arbor day and do another tree giveaway at love
where you live day and then it's up to the person to put it in in their yard and >> yeah or we did something like that and we asked >> I don't know that we get 250 residents to sign up to take a tree but you know >> I don't know >> I think it has to be a combination of
things. I don't think put 250 little baby trees in the ground in my opinion. >> I like the size but It's a very nice organizing separate stand.
>> No, it is >> like it's a pin trace. But well, but to answer your question, if we were to tackle something like that, yes, we would probably have to put a separate line item in there and in our when we get I'll what I I'll
probably get the budget spreadsheet in next month or something or the request >> from Nancy probably after the council meeting >> and you know, we could put in there.
Well, our estimate on the cost of 250 But even if we did 25 and like so then somebody is because we probably have the money to do 25 trees. Maybe not. But um you know then that could help solve the watering problem because people could
sign up to say I'm responsible for watering x tree for 10 hours or something like that. >> And there's like you know so then there's the service component to it. I don't know. Yeah, I go out there with
bad from the deer. >> Yeah, take shifts. Every shift's worth 10 service hours. >> DB gun, pellet guns. >> Um, >> add it as a new agenda item next month.
250th anniversary project. >> Yeah, >> 250 treaty project. >> Don't you think it's good? I think >> don't want to plant trees. >> Yes, we do. But and and I and uh be
great. It'll be great. >> But you know Yeah. If you want to have further discussion on it, there's a lot you got to figure out where are they going to get planted. We need if they're >> Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be public land project's going to need to grow
>> or we don't if if we do it at, you know, with an arbor day or something giveaway. >> We just try try to reach a goal of 250 trees for our 250th >> I wonder do they have they have small trees? They have smaller
trees. I don't know if they bear root, but >> No, they do. They have those ones in the bag. Yeah, they're not fair, but they're they have Yeah, the the little carry bags. >> Yeah, the smaller ones. Yeah, >> I mean, >> they did mention some
you know, people wanted to do it less expensive or something. Just trying to Maybe it's the I don't know price is a barrier to >> Well, why don't you >> do you want to reach out in between now and then and see if >> I don't think this needs to be separate. Yeah, >> you can't have like him running around
with a bunch of No, but like I'm not messing with this, >> but it could be something different. I mean, I think Tommy did say something about bear or maybe that was the maybe that was the the Schmidt woman. >> She never said she shipped everything.
>> Yeah, I get from them. >> Weird person. Um, I'm meeting Kevin over to the natural area to plan some things so I can talk about following things. Um,
all right. So, we have baseball fields, fair fields, cherry tree area for our third street like third street and 250 various locations along with that.
It's the BP station between the acne and the BP. Is that what's happening there? >> You know that strip where you cut everything down next to the priority planning. >> Yeah. Well, I don't I just don't know who's Yeah, I think it would be nice to have something.
Oh, okay. >> Why not? It's a lawsuit. Okay. >> We should probably stay. Um, all right. Well, I'm going to move along to council update and Councilman
Labar was not here. Um, he did want to go over the deer report. So, hopefully next meeting. Um, and again, his other update was that the U subcontractor on this job was fired by the contract.
Uh, proposed new agenda items. Um, we have storm water discussion. Um, what else? >> 150th anniversary project, >> right?
Well, that's all our priority planning. Yeah. Okay. >> Well, stormwater >> stormwater discussion for the ordinance. >> Yeah. Okay. So, it's pre-ordinance. Um, >> amendment. >> Amen. >> Y,
>> what else? Anything else? Anyone? >> I think we should probably look at any, right? That's our That's our last chance to do any spending, right? So, we should probably
>> Yeah, fencing. >> Yeah. >> Um, and also just as I know you, we updated our calendar for next year, we're going to take August on. >> Okay. Anything
else? >> Can I tell you something just interesting? Well, oh, this is how we before we journ. >> Well, we're going to go through public comment. >> Oh, okay. >> Go quick. Public comment. Susan, public. >> I I already comment.
>> You got it. All right. Good job. >> Uh, anyone else out there? >> There's nothing on the line. Okay. >> All right. So, before we adjourn, Bonnie, >> I just want um Kelly Flanigan was telling me, you know, she has one of the
big tree hunt elm trees in her yard and it is so old. It's over 200 years old. And so, it's must be immune from Dutch elen disease. And I was telling a fellow Ruckers um at the conference about this and then she has all these baby trees growing all
over the place. Anyway, they connected and he's so excited to come to our house and possibly take a bunch of her little seedlings to to grow back at Ruckers thinking that they might be immune and they might be a good thing to breed and whatever. So, that's my exciting thing. >> That is kind of cool.
>> We might the cure right. We could take her babies and plant those elm trees all over. >> Yeah. >> Um and also um she said she was telling a friend about her big tree hunt and they said, "Oh, I have a big tree in my yard." They hold the big tree hunters in
and they have a water oak which is highly unusual. They're a more southern tree. It is the biggest water oak in New Jersey. That's on on River. >> Yeah. Really? >> Yeah. Isn't that exciting? It's huge. So, if you're if you're going down toward Redbank,
>> it's on the right side just before the light enhance. Um two 517. It's a cute house set back um with a fence and this great big tree with swing hanging from its branch >> and
some leaves. >> I I went by take a picture. This is a water oak leaf. >> That is a water oak leaf. Like I you never know it's an oak. I mean I think I must have walked by it and never ever thought it was an oak. But isn't that kind of cool that we have
oak? So I might have to find these gate points in person, too. >> The fair water oak. >> The fair water oak. >> I like it. Very interesting. I like that. Nice little factoid. >> All right. Well, that brings us to
a journ. >> I make a motion to adjourn. Second. >> Meeting adjourns. All right, everyone. >> Good night. >> Pleas Susan. >> Thank you. always being here. >> Thanks everyone.
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