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been being given the shade commission secretary is directed to include this statement in the minutes of this meeting um we do the roll call Vigani here. >> Neil Blacker >> here.
>> Peter Datti >> here. >> Mike D'Angelo >> here. >> Daryl Golden >> here. >> Mark Olsen said he would be outside. Becky Fleet >> here. >> Bill Sullivan >> here.
>> Bonnie Torcivia here. >> Also present. Councilwoman Delli. Burough secretary Larson. You have a quorum. Great. Let's stand for the pledge, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Um, and I get a motion to approve the prior meeting minutes. >> Awesome. Um and let's move right into project
updates. All right. Uh tree planting. Um first the resident tree buying program hugely successful this time. Um we are up to 92 trees >> is our most successful
>> tree buying resident tree botting um program to date. Oh my goodness, this is really tiny. Um, >> that Excel spreadsheet. Sorry. >> Yeah. No, and I did I did I mean I ran out the door. So, um, yeah. 92 trees.
Our top tree is the gator bag. And, uh, the quanzen or maples are a lot of it. >> Yeah, there's there's all right. So, let's just There's 15 maples, red sunset
maple, which is always popular. Um, 12 quanzins. That's before we talked about quzins. Um there is 19 of the of the um there was two everybody's offered. So uh that's
pretty significant. But um I find it interesting that this was the first time that we offered um a fruit tree. We offered a peach tree and seven. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So that's kind of sweet thing. Anyway, so that so can you finish
>> what? >> What else? How many how many oaks? How many service? >> Okay, oaks are um the flower oaks. Five. >> Okay. >> The beach one, the service berry, three, the um the snow deuce cherry. Uh eight,
the magnolia um seven >> quanzins 12. Um the red bud uh week eight. Yeah. So I mean I asked when that came out. Yes.
>> That was yesterday, right? >> I was going to say you asked me yesterday was 51 in the one day job dropped today. I started asking people if they want to buy. I'm like no. >> Yeah. Well, I have to say that the the the last set that went out yesterday was
very easy to read. >> I picked it by myself. it that was like it was >> it was learning. >> It was great. >> So anyway, you're on deck next time. >> See, I never I ordered to the service fair yesterday, but I'd never done it
before and it was super easy. >> Okay. Um Yeah. So that's I think that that's pretty exciting. Um the snow station. So yeah, the um
they submitted a permit to remove those trees. Um so that's happening. Um >> they were approved. Oh, I guess they are now. >> Pre-approved. So yes. So one of the it was they >> Yeah. So okay. So we're going to move
on. Um, and I did I did walk with um Sherry through Fair Haven Fields this week because when we um gave a general recommendation that the four uh trees that they are going to be required to
donate to the burrow um where we wanted them planted. Then we said bursts in the general area. Rich said no yet specific understandably. So, we did um I have pictures. I didn't send them to Christy, so I'm sorry. So, I'm just
going to talk it through if you guys can. I mean, I I having this like pass my phone around if you want. Um we're going to we're talking mostly about and this is just the initial like we can obviously add more. I'm we're
talking about the western side of the park along the gravel path. Um the first area that she identified or we identified but no she actually
blocked by the fence was um south of the of the tennis courts where it turns towards the church. So this area should wait on the west or the east. So on the east side of the park.
>> Okay. >> At like right past the tennis courts where it starts to turn towards the park. >> That big spot that is not a big spot. Yeah. So this spot. >> Yeah. >> Needs big training. >> Yeah. Well,
>> or and I can send this around afterwards. Um, so she recommended for that spot actually. Um, she said we could fit three larger trees there, plus maybe two to three red buds.
Um, like in a natural like setup. Um, so that was the recommendation for that spot. >> What kind of trees? She said, "Oh, elms and tulips." She just said like the large like shaped trees, you know. Um, she said maples would be fine takeover
over maples. So that was her suggestion. Okay. Then oops direction. Then we talked about the area near the tennis court that has the fenced in water stuff or whatever. >> Yeah. The um sprinkler system.
>> Yep. So the recommendation there um which I don't think this necessarily falls into the snowco um scenario would be to actually do um in between that fencing area and the tennis courts to kind of like just have
a visual to do something like three green giants there. Um that's she's like the deer are not going to eat those. You can't really do any shade treating because the stuff is going to fall on the courts. She said that visually that that would um that would work there. Um
and then we talked about shrubbery actually around the fencing. Um but she wants to get back to me on that because she's struggling to find something that is not going to get decimated by the terror. >> Uh things I remember talking to Carl about that and he said just they
obviously there's a lot of t you know water running in and out of there so would that be super careful. >> That's a good point. Yeah. So I think up on the hill there that's not going to be an issue. >> Are you are you trying to block that then or are you trying to block the tennis courts? I'm not sure what where they are the green giants for
>> to go in between the tennis like to go in between here and here just kind of like in this area between two. >> See where I think you need one is right here. You're walking up that path toward the tennis courts. You're walking south
and you look at that. They actually changed the path. >> Yeah. >> To face. So everybody walked right by that stupid Benston area. >> Yeah. I think Yeah. So that's I don't think your path could be moved. And
>> there was some talk about moving the path at some point. >> It looks like it leads you right to that. >> There was or changing the path. >> I think that they changed it already. No, they changed >> in a bad way. >> Yeah. But there was also talk about maybe making it pavement which I don't love but because of I guess it's eroding
there. it was in. So I don't just maybe check like obviously >> yeah this is not the these are not and this specifically here I like I said I don't think this necessarily pertains to um to what we would be we would be
recommending for the snow go situation we may have >> um then if you continue to walk so we're standing at the tennis courts and we're walking north towards like fair 84 that baseball field
There's that there's on the east side of the pass. So, not interfering with the ball fields would there's areas there that we had talked about. Um, specifically though, we um we talked
about almost immediately past like where like the corner of the lacrosse field like right there. There's two areas where she thought we could put some with, you know, that shade trees would do well. The concern is that she's
recommending that we plant at least 10 ft off the path because of roots. >> Um, some of those areas are have invasives in them. So, that sort of project that we would have to think about. Again, this probably doesn't pertain to the snowco thing. I think
that like the snow spot is the first one that I talk about. It's probably the easiest would be like kind of talking about how we remove at least a portion of an invasive like the invasives in order to get the tree there. So that
becomes like you know within our um our budget of like the money coming in from the tree removals. this kind of like falls into that cuz this is like a maintenance type of situation. So, >> so that that they're saying that fund
can pay for cleaning up the >> Yeah, I would I would I would feel like that is maintaining like I guess we could um so that would be that's that's one area there and then
continuing down the path those all the areas where those trees were um they either fell down during Sandy or they have been But she was telling me they're all black locust, so it's fine anyway. >> Yeah, they were that big.
>> Yes. Um, >> which is an invasive tree. I had no idea. Um, but with each of those spots, you know, if we had the stumps, if the stumps were brown, >> branded, um, we could put another we
could put a different tree there. So, uh, I had no idea what I mean I would be curious to see what Kevin would come back with to say like to come in here and say what it would cost to grind those stumps in order for us to achieve that. But perhaps that's something that would,
>> you know, fall into our budget as well. Um, she did also recommend there's that the path gets very close to the property line of that home on Carter >> and there's like a bunch of invasives there. She again said she like it would be nice to put like some screening
there, but again recommended something like a green giant as opposed to like a shade tree. Um, obviously the stump that's on the west side of the path would just is we're not going to plant a tree there um because of the ball fields, but maybe that would
be something that we would want to consider grinding that stump to if we were going to grind all the other ones. If like that could kind of like fall into that, maybe it's like not a tripping hazard then. >> Or we leave it, whatever. I mean I I can't really either way. Um
then I'll just p we we walked down to Fair Haven 4 and um the dogwoods there are in really bad shape. Um her recommendation is just to rip them out. She's like they would never they'll the
tear damage is extensive. um they look bad. And so that could that could be another opportunity there if we wanted to take those out and replace them with four other ones. That would be another spot like another Senoko spot. Um and I
I could share these pictures just I mean for anybody that wants to look at the condition of those trees without walking over there. I'd be happy to sort of pass these around to Christie. Um, there's also I'm gonna She said to leave that alone. So, that that's basically what we talked
about in terms of like planting opportunities over there. We did then walk around to the other side of the field and at some um some maples that were there that needed to be trimmed and um some uh holl that actually were
staked and the staking was never removed. So now the trunk has grown around it and say this is where this tree is going to fail. Windstorm's going to come and it's going to split right there. So I think that we just need to be careful that when we're planting
these trees, we follow through. Obviously I might change the fire to my left. Um so that's that's the Senovo situation. um which kind of like oh like morphed into
something else. >> Do we have a set of fund funds available or um is it four trees or five trees? >> It's four trees from Sedoko which they will pay into the fund. >> Yes. >> Um and then we would we would >> I mean how much are they paying? We know
that >> we do not yet. The planning board resolution is four 4 in caliber trees but they make it hard to get. So she said if it's if it's smaller then we get more >> more but there was no dollar amount
assigned to it. I would propose that we ask them to do that first area that I was speaking about which would include the four shade trees and we could do it at the two and a half inch caliber with Fern Brook and do the red buds because that I think ultimately would be less
expensive than what they would have had to do with the 4 in caliber trees and and that's not what is recommended when why don't we get a quote for how much we were going to four 4 in trees comes with cost and get
that money and then buy as many trees at 2 in that we can get no from framework. Could we get that? >> I don't know if that is because I thought that >> I don't know if that's what I don't know if that's legit or not. I mean I'm not >> Wait, isn't the tree ordinance specified though? Like if you don't plant your own trees, you have to put a specific amount
of money into >> So this station um was predated predated. So we're going off the planning resolution from 23. Got it. >> And that's specified. >> Yeah. So, I mean I I don't have a problem with that money, but I have no
idea if that's like legit. >> I think because it's in the resolution, it would have to go. >> Yeah. We have talked to Rich. He's a planning board engineer and um he's the one facilitating all this. I mean, they I mean, it's gotten through Rich and presumably to this new owner about like
donating the forge or like required to give four trees to the burrow. I don't know. multiple times. >> Yeah. I mean, >> yeah, I sent him the form letter today because he has to do a 200 foot like all the abuing owners that trees are coming down. So, I
>> mean, those are two that >> two huge trees that are coming down. >> Huge trees. I'm just saying that I don't disagree with you. taking the the canopy of those two trees and you're going to try to get back what
we're losing in terms of what I don't know. I I just I don't I I fear what you're saying. I don't I don't think you're wrong. It's whether or not like we can we have that authority like the government's already been issued. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do we know what the landscaping plan is going to be?
>> Yeah, we do. >> Yeah. >> Do they are they doing any screening? I don't think I've seen this. number. I mean, it's been it's been approved. They're planting 11 trees on that >> on the snow property. Correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Where? I don't know. Bonnie, I
looked at this like two months ago. >> Do you think you could find the plan and send it around? Is that >> Yeah, I think I did already. So just just to be clear, Chrissy, you don't think >> we have already approved four trees or have we already
>> back in 2023 the planning board approved stipulated on the resolution compliance that they have to donate four 4in caliber trees to the burrow on top of everything they're planting as replacements.
I didn't misspeak right there's 11 trees on that plan to be planted >> plus shrubbery and other stuff. Yeah. >> Yeah, >> they can't be big. >> How are they squeezing on that? >> Oh, I can um look for the landscape plan again.
>> So, okay. So, is this a um I would really love to appeal rich to if we can get our tree value, we should get it. Not just blow this off as it's four degrees. I think we were supposed to get four big trees. Um I and I'm not I don't
think for trees are better. I think two in trees are better in the long run because they don't have to cut as many of their you know their root ball. But I just feel like I mean this that we really lo we are losing a huge piece of canopy and a town that has no canopy. And so I feel like
we are justifying saying that we should get >> but I think we're tied to whatever this is but we could see if there >> what the stipulation is cuz she's saying we might not be able to get 4 in. So
>> yeah whoever decided that in 23 resolution >> but I think >> so whose decision is this? >> The planning well the planning board's decision. You mean if they don't get the 4 in ones? >> Yeah. That's what I'm I think we need to find out because she's I guess they're saying they might not be able to get the 4 in. So
>> it's not recommended that we plan 4 in. Yeah. Like that is that's >> so that is very that is going away from what was in the in the planning boards um ordinance. So you need to find out I think what we need to clarify is what
the wiggle room or you know like what since it's not exactly 4 in and what is the >> So the first you said replacement trees been provided as per the approved landscaping plan for planning board resolution blah blah blah plus four trees at 4 in caliper or equivalent
providing equivalent to be donated to the sheer commission for planting on public property. >> What does equivalent mean or equivalent? >> That's pretty broad. where >> eight inch I guess right 16 one inch >> I was saying there's some leeway
>> there so I think >> you come up with your recommendation >> well we have seven trees in the recommend what I'm saying right now is like seven >> four shade trees and like two to three red buds like in that area yes that's
>> that's that's cool I mean that >> but I I do think the or equivalent we This is equivalent. >> This is equivalent to what that was. >> Yeah. I mean, I would I would think that the developer as long as like we're not increasing >> the cost above what the 4 inch caliber
trees would be. Why do why do they why would they care, >> right? I mean, if the 4 in we're going to be $1,000 and instead instead of four 4 in, we're getting the 82 in or whatever the numbers are. But the same bucket of money. >> I can't imagine that they would care on
their property. I guess that's my point. like as long as it's it's >> all money whether or not there's more money coming out of their pocket. If there isn't then >> So do you think are we going to get this from >> that?
Well, this will happen likely in the fall. It's like it's not going to happen with this with this planting. Okay. Like time has to go to this. >> Yeah. So that would be I would say if we wanted to do it with Fernbrook, we could ask them to plant it in the fall or you
know if we want Fernbrook to do it, we could just order them and they could come and give us these trees in a you know on a on a special delivery but they're not going to be the same price as I'm just wonder
for what forage trees. I'm sure we can >> I'm sorry. It's not going to be the same price as waiting for the the tree program. No, >> it would not if they came individually to the tree by the program. It's like a special. >> But can we I guess can we place the order now and for the planting be done
in the fall? So we need to better pric them now. >> We do we do a resident tree by program in the fall. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. But we can't order them until they're approved by the location. >> Okay. hand some piggy back. >> So, I mean, regardless of whether or not we get this full, you know, four trees
and three red buds that they pay for in general, um, or if so pays for the four trees and we decide as the commission like in order to finish Shar's vision there, we we fund the three redwood buds or, you know,
whatever. We can also decide to do that. But if everyone I I would say that this seems like the most logical >> recommendation back to Rich about where to where those trees from this >> property should be planted.
>> So do you have to put stakes on the ground? Do you have to show him exactly that he wants exact locations? >> I think that No, I think that we I could print out this picture and just say this is what we are banking. I did actually go over there with my phone when I was taking these pictures and try and plot
them on Arbor Pro and I couldn't do it. So, I I need them to help me with that because I've never done that before. >> Can I question that goes along with that? There is this $20,000 in the B budget for removing invasives. >> So, I have an answer to that.
>> Wait, talking about No, you're talking about removing those invasives so that we can put the trees in. Like that's no but this is like this is what we're supposed to be doing. Nobody it's like no man's land. Nobody touches that strip of >> property. So Sha Tree is also would like
to make some recommendations. Um your natural area has made some recommendations and so I am talking to Chris and Nick about it. If you guys have areas you want to put in as recommendations too, then this would be
a good time to tell me and I can >> Great. >> I think that that all kind of will have to go along too with Mark's planting plan like that will be of it like what to happen. I mean there's a lot of areas there talked about this since he's on here. Um there's a lot of areas that in
Fair Haven feels like on the other side too that need to be >> like cleared out and we're like get what we need there. So >> can I sorry I want to go go back real quick. Forgive me. I don't remember. Is this are these the first trees that are going to be purchased from the fund of
trees? I believe that they are cuz I haven't seen anything come through. Do you know what I'm So with we've been getting, you know, money put into the pot for because of the ordinance. Have any other trees been purchased? >> Not with that money?
>> No. Because I don't think so. Right. No, because everything else we've purchased have been through our trust. >> Yeah. So then my next question is, do all trees that get purchased through that fund have to come by the burrow by the the council? Do they have to all be approved for locations?
>> Public property. Yeah. anytime we want to plant them. >> So, okay. >> Yes. >> I would suggest since you're talking about planting in the recreation area that you run it past parks and rack because they have a different
perspective on locations out there. >> Yeah. I have I have said something about it at a wreck meeting. Yeah. >> Well, see, I missed the last one, so I don't know whether it was discussed. >> Yeah. Now we're Are we? Yes, it's a it's
a next Tuesday to ask them. Yeah. I mean, >> we're Yes, I think you're right. But and if we should show them the plan, but the idea that we're keeping stuff on the other side of the path is in direct response to their concerns that they've
raised about us being close to them. >> I still would tell them specifically where in case there's any other concerns that they might have, >> you know, for the red area. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Um let's circle back to
um did Mark sent you anything like as we're talking about this Monday. Okay. So well we'll just circle back now to um the chair in uh Peter in terms of >> finishing off like putting trees in the ground.
>> Yeah, this is this is good news. Um hi everybody. Sorry I can't be there. Um I miss miss you guys. Um, so just just to remind everyone, the original vision here was to take the, you know, a cue from the line of Guanzan cherry trees
that are on the corner of Beer Haven Road and Ridge Road um that are in themselves past their expected lives. um and and encourage homeowners to uh plant quanzan cherry trees, the same the
same type of tree along Fair Haven Road, right? So, we sort of create this subtle, it's not formal, but a but a subtle kind of continuity along Fair Haven Road. Um and so we have a number of trees in the ground already. Uh and
after our last meeting um I was in touch with homeowners who are interested from who didn't get an allocation in the last um giveaway. Um, we found final I found finalists and um then so we had two
properties lined up to present to you, but we had some great news uh I think this week or last week uh in that as part of the Fair Haven Road project uh there will actually be 12 trees
planted. So that's I think it's not eight or eight or nine uh properties including the two I had identified. Um so 12 trees in total. Um which is great news for us. So this and this is part of that part of that funding. So you know
at two trees a year that's uh six years of progress in uh in in one spring. So that's exciting. So I think you know two points. one, our project just got a boost, which is wonderful. U and second
is, you know, is there is there any reason not to recommend the quans for those locations, you know, given given that that was our vision can >> so the quanzi I'm just voicing this
because I know there was some concern from the environmental commission that quanzies aren't natives. >> Yeah. So, I'm just there there has I know there was some discussion with Chris York about them not being natives. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, I'm I'm a little bit confused because what's going on at the pond?
They're planting a bunch of trees there. Are those two? >> Yes. So, that's part of the plan. I'm not sure. I I actually don't know exactly where they're going. I'm not sure if you do, but this is part of that extension there. >> That was that that property was on the list of what
>> that's part of >> 12 trees. 12 trees. Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, it very good point about them not being native. Um I did, you know, originally um I had a conversation with Bill Brooks who was our uh arborist. Is
that right? See >> um about that particular point, you know, he recognized they weren't native, but also recognized that they are, you know, living on Fair Haven Road and thriving there. um and didn't he he
didn't have an issue with with that in itself. Uh and so you know I I do understand that there is a philosophy to try to plant natives but um I think we I think we have a set of really beautifully flowering uh plants there as
they are. So I recognize the point but uh but it was discussed in the past. >> Yeah. Yeah. For me, I think it's it's >> if we I think that that road by the natural is so important to so many people. Yes. >> Um that >> if in fact that's going to go away in a
couple, they're going to start dying, it would be nice to have something to carry on that tradition even though they're not native. That's my >> I know. So coming from Bonnie coming from you but I'd love to see they're going to plant some cherries along
Fairhead Road by the pond that pond still that new platform. Could they plant a couple big shade trees >> by that platform so kids fishing could be in the shades and baking on that cement >> patio? That could be recommendation. >> There's a whole bunch of space there,
right? They put all those sidewalks in and it would be great >> how much space there is between like there's two like little sidewalk paths and that's kind of small. So I don't know what their proposed I think that they was it three at at Martond that was on that list or was it only two? I feel
like it was three or Peter do you have a >> um two trees. >> So I don't think that I mean it wouldn't be necessarily like >> four trees. >> Oh four. So I think that that's likely.
>> See, I took some pictures of what I say. >> Yes, there's a >> So I don't know if like to >> right now the garbage cans. >> Yes. But I think like I think what um we
should maybe talk about is that if all if all four of the ones that are at um Marter Pond should be Hansen's if you know there's probably one going in that area between the two like where the parking lot was and now there's that
pathway and then there's that you know the old sidewalk there there's like one like one planting location there. I can't imagine you're fitting more than one tree there >> and then like where you're talking about maybe those you know this area here
right but then right but here this area I don't know that that doesn't necessarily in my opinion >> need to be quens if that's not all the road >> and variety isn't bad you know especially clustered in one spot
>> that if it's going to go over there like maybe in theory that should be quantum because it's Um, >> right. That's that's where I I would I thought they would be over there. >> Well, maybe we could ask Rich um about exactly what he was thinking for those four trees on Carter.
>> Yeah. >> On on the pond. And then if they're on the road itself, maybe we recommend the Quanzins. But if they're if they're more into like like into the pond area by Lindon, like it's something. >> Yeah. vegetarian. Wouldn't it be nice to
um like that's the all you see is garbage cans and then the I mean if wouldn't the kids I mean maybe actually now I'm thinking do they cast and they don't want to be in trees. >> That's true. There's a lot of fishing line in those trees. There's a lot. >> Yeah, actually
maybe it's a uh different kind of shape. >> But anyway, it would be nice to have a couple there back away. a side note, but they um we are looking at putting some grasses along the edge because that also helps with the filtration and um getting the toplet whatever the
>> top need. >> Yes, Kelly made the recommendation. So, but that is something else that's happening there. >> Okay. So I guess what we're saying is that we will recommend bonsins for all the properties um on that list and we
would just like some clarity on what where McCarter the four trees on Marter Pond are going. Um Rich told me today that um if you're curious they should all be spray spray painted out. He spoke to all the residents that are getting them and
there should be a spray paint where they're going to be marked where they're going to be planted. So they maybe check it out. >> Oh, maybe he's spray painted with Carter, too. >> Yeah. If not, I'll um I'll email him to make sure. But um that's what he told me. Spoke to all the residents,
>> painted the areas, and they will all have deer protection on them as well. >> Yeah. >> And they'll be planted next week. >> Where come from? >> The contractors providing them. It was on their bid sheet when they bid the project. So the contractor is providing
that. Could we ask Sher to come and check the way they're planting the trees and the condition of the trees? I'm not kidding because there were some like when Bill Brash was here, he was looking at some of the trees that were planted, he said, "Yeah, it probably should accept." >> Well, and then all the trees that got
planted at the um police station >> and also the um DPW. >> Yeah. So, I think that's I think that's fair because we had to pay again for new trees. So, And Christie, could you just could you just say again the um who who will be
marking the tree the tree locations? Spray painting them. >> Rich said he already did it. >> Oh, he did. Okay. >> And spoke to the resident about accepting them. He marked where it would go as spray paint. I haven't been down that road, so I can't see for myself, but >> Okay. >> Sounds like it should be there now because they plan to go in next week.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, I'll take a walk. >> Yeah. >> Great. That's all I have. Also, um, a point of information, speaking of natives, technically Fair Haven's signature tree, the London
plane, is not a native tree. It came from Europe in the 1700s or 1800s. So, I mean, >> it's if it's to beautify, I mean, and to be part of Fair Haven, what it is, it's Quanzan cherry trees and obviously the London Plains, which technically both are not native trees to uh, New Jersey,
right? We love them anyway. >> Okay. Um, thank you, Peter. Um, all right. Moving on to community outreach. >> Can I Sorry. Planting. Um, just want to go back to that. I was talking to uh Josh and to Chris about planting at the
community fields because I was under the impression there was like a phase two. Well, there's not really a phase two. >> So, when you guys are considering where you want to plant, I think you should add back in community center fields. Yeah, I think that that was kind of always on our radar. But we did we were
under the impression. So that was why asked. So add that back in being conscious of something might obviously we might build something there. So don't put it like right in the middle of right behind because there's a big grassy area. I probably wouldn't put it right there, but just I would add that back in
because I think that could really use some shade. >> Yes. All right. Thank you. Um let the list. Um All right. the 250th anniversary project. Mia is sick, so she's not here. Um, so I'll just fill
in. So, we I think it was last week at the council meeting. Um, we were approved for the signs to be placed at the at the um the 13 trees. Um, so that's good news. Leah
um got a a a quote of up to let's call it um to purchase the signs because she's still we still need to do some work on the um where the QR code is landing. So what
that's going to like look and feel like. So until that that portion of this is complete um she can't create the QR code. But I did ask her to um price out what the signage would cost so that we could um we could vote on it to to for
up to it's um about $400. So up to $400 to spend on the signage for this project. Um so that when we're ready to make that purchase, we can. Um the sign itself has not we saw it last time. It
it hasn't changed. It was approved as is. Um there is an outstanding question from um the 250th unification team. I think they're two different teams or one
of the same um about the bunting that perhaps um our bunting needs can be included in the grander need of the town which would be very helpful uh because when we actually start looking at how
much it would cost to bump to these trees it's probably going to price us out of what we were expecting. Um, so it, you know, >> it would also assure that it's all the same. They want it uniform, right? >> Yes. >> And they're going to be getting full.
Yeah, definitely. >> Yes. Yeah. But I mean, like just doing if you're thinking about putting that amount of bunting around these trees and then putting a bow associated with that, you're talking about like yards and
yards of bunting per tree. It's going to get expensive fast. I mean it like I did some quick math. It was >> good to be in the bunding business. I guess it sounds like you >> this year. >> Well, this year for sure. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um
so, uh I do have a request. Um and what that request is this. Um there is the list of the trees of like the candidate trees um generated through um you know through through our our inventory and
kind of like the math associated with like the growth rates and stuff which I forwarded direct to to some people. Um we want to pick 13. We want those 13 trees to be in various locations throughout town. We want them to be
accessible. So um it's there a lot of them are on on in rightway areas but you know um the way that the inventory was taken is if like for example a tree was more towards the center of somebody's property but 50% was in the right way
that tree is inventoried. So on like you know on my street where the front you know the front yards are not that big somebody like one of those trees is on there it's like right center of the person's property just by the nature of how >> like the right way goes. So, we need a
visual. We need we need somebody to give like to lay eyes on these trees and to kind of make the recommendation of what those 13 trees would be. And then um we need to contact like if it's a situation like that. Um we need to go up to the
homeowner and say, "This is what we'd like to do to your tree. Can we put a bow around it for three months and stick a sign in the ground?" I mean, so we're going to have to get those those sorts of approvals. But this all stemmed from the idea that Leah recognized a tree on
the list that was near her home that was in really bad shape and she said, "We do not want to put a bow on the shirt." So, um I I don't know if um I feel like that's something
>> uh but you know if somebody else wants to join Bonnie on this like on this adventure. Um, there's also a request that we take pictures of the trees as we're looking at them so that we can incorporate that into into this landing page. Um, which will have, you know, the
map, the tree names, and um, some sort of like narrative about what might have been happening in that area, maybe what that tree has witnessed over the last 250 years or whatever. Some like some sort of like story to tell about this
project. So, there's still quite a bit of work that needs to be done here. And and Leah needs help. Like, she can't do this by herself. She's, you know, she just can't. So, um, so that's the request. If you could if you I told her I would help her with the narrative, but
if we could narrow this down and kind of like come to a consensus, you know, really um if everyone's comfortable kind of like throwing this >> throwing this bonnies away, we could we could I mean right now we have list of how many trees we have them in order.
>> It's in order. I could send it to you again. It's, you know, >> I mean the tree, >> the boy scout tree, but the big one is that I mean that's >> I have no idea. >> Yeah. >> Glenn Glen Place.
>> Oh, yeah. Yes. That's number one on the list. >> Yeah. Yeah. That is the biggest tree in town. >> That's the first one on the list. >> Yeah. >> Where does my neighbors fall? Are they pretty high up? My neighbor. >> That's private tree. >> Oh, gotcha. >> On a burrow tree. Okay. >> I know. That's Yeah. Well, where is I
mean >> it's the it's right on River Road. It's the only water oak, the one. >> I think that's that's fine. If we want to consider that, we have to get permission from the you know the the homeowner that's really >> and that's like kind of like
>> I don't like that. >> Why? >> Oh, it's But isn't it ours? It is. But that they I know that they wanted to have cut down that bridge. It's going to palm house. >> I think they were going to have a branch.
>> I saw it was marked. >> Yeah. When I saw it, >> the Glen place tree was trimmed on Friday. That big branch that was over their house. They took it out. >> Yeah. That is also >> I think that was >> she if she knows that this is like the
number one tree in Fair Haven. Do you I would it be better if I push or are you done? >> Um I don't know them well. Our boys hung out three weeks a little bit and that was that. >> Okay. All right. Mark chill.
>> The landing page. Has that been created? And where is that living? >> It's probably going to live in Canva. >> Oh, >> yeah. >> You gota >> that I mean I'll say that is the plan for it to live in Canva. So you you could have like a landing page. excuse do a click through and it goes to >> camp. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Um >> is there any issue with that with the burrow? No, cuz it's like I just wonder if there's It probably is okay, but anything that comes out from the burrow technically can be open and stuff. So they >> What are you talking about? When
somebody scans the QR code, it's going to go to the document that lives in Canva. >> It's gonna live in Campa. Yeah, because you could actually have that on the burough website. >> What do you mean? >> Is it is it linkable to the burrow website so it lands on the burough
website ultimately or no? >> We can talk about it offline. >> Yes, we can take it off of campa then and then you would have to you'd have to embed it somehow on the website. It's fine. I mean, this was my recommendation to to do it this way because if it lives
right there, you can actually just people could go to your link there for free and it just like lives they host it. So, um >> I just want to make sure we're doing it governmentally correctly. >> So, let me know.
Let's just check on it because >> um it doesn't once it's once it's created like it could just be downloaded off of that platform and you can do whatever you want with it. Um that's >> Yeah. So it can live on our website if we want it. >> Yeah, we want to do that. We just have to make sure it's there and that the QR
code is created correctly. >> Let's just double check that. >> Yeah, that's fine. I mean, we're we're kind of far from that. I mean, I don't want to hinder the pro obviously the process of it, but the >> the tree selection, the pictures, the life, the narrative, all that needs to
happen like first before we thinking the idea was to hopefully have this done by an Arbor Day, but this is never going to happen by Arbor Day. >> This there's still like this there's still much to be done. >> Yeah.
>> You know, the whole narrative thing. Hey, Susan O'Brien. Can you I mean you you can hear >> always do that when I'm on my way. >> I'm sorry. Pay attention. No. Um >> the quiz now. >> I'm just wondering about the like the story the narrative of these
neighborhoods. I mean I'm just >> you've been around. Is that what you're like development of the neighborhoods or anything? >> It could be that. It could be like you know it's more if it's something in Marta Park. I remember when school was built and the kids started playing like
you know it's going to be like something. Okay. storytelling like like that. It's not, you know, that type of >> The Boy Scouts discovered this tree back in >> Yeah. >> tree was was alive when the first car
drove down, >> right? Like just like kind of like like Yes. It's not >> transitional things happened in his life. >> Right. Exactly. It's like like it's it's a story. >> Watch your trolley come and go. >> Right. >> Right.
Maybe even witness the Native Americans in their spells. Is this what we're thinking about lovely little stories? >> Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. >> Michael is uh your neighbor's tree. Um
is that visible? Is it easily visible? >> It is. There's a gate like a a fence in front of it, but you could put the QR code in front of the fence and you could absolutely see the tree. It's probably 15 feet off of >> Yeah, I know. tree has a flame hanging on it. Yeah, it's like
>> and they're very excited about their tree. I can tell you. >> Yeah. I don't see why we shouldn't include that. It sounds great. Especially if they're excited about it. It's perfect. >> It's in a prime location. It's like a sidewalk. Like it's Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if there's any other trees like that, I mean, and we could verify by
>> our very scientific method that, you know, like that they would be a candidate. And there's no reason not to include them in my opinion. But >> I think one on um kind of down past Nwood on pants that's right on the street. >> Oh yeah, that's the Yeah, that's very
old. You know that? >> Yeah. >> They would be talking about the one that kind of goes the street. Yeah. The cardio. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's a big old flat hood. >> Yeah. Um Okay. So, we got marching orders on
that. All right. Who's gone? Arbor Day. Mike, please. >> Yes. Uh, so we're on course. I've reached out. So, we have two things going on. Uh, I'll talk about the project that we've been working on is obviously the poster contest now with a
patriotic flare. And the kids know that that's uh what the theme is. So, tree appreciation with a tree with a patriotic flare to it. Uh, I reached out to Peggy Dangler at Nwood this week. I haven't heard back, but I'll keep on top of that because they will be due this
Arbor Day, which is in just a few weeks. Um, I always reach out to the town librarian, especially the youth librarian. and her name is Becca Sherman and because she always does a project uh with the little no what age kids uh that
is tree and earth related and I just wanted to see you know if she's doing anything this year and she said actually we are it's going to be tree related and would you mind donating 20 to 25 saplings or seedlings and this was just a few days ago so I don't know if it's
too late in the game to to approve that but I think uh if she's asking I think we should try to support Okay. Yeah, I think maybe the forest service I could maybe get some. Um >> I think Bonnie, you you helped us out last year. I think you figured out how
to wait. >> I I did. I got them from the Forest Service. I'll share. Um >> and that event be on the I think it's the 21. It's the Tuesday of that week is when she holds that event.
the Tuesday of ar the week of Arbor Day which would be uh the 21st >> and I did see the flyer at Nullwood. My daughter is considering doing it >> and 20 25 or 20 to 25. >> She asked for 20 to 25. I figured, you
know, we don't want a kid to go without a a seedling. So 25 would >> see. So, um I I I I failed to call for a vote on the um 250th
>> project for the for the signage for the $400. Um so, what do we have a sense of what um what the what we've paid for saplings in the past? I feel like it's like a hundred bucks, right, for
there's a couple different I I don't I don't know. They were running out. third graders should I try to get them to get them and they ran out before they went their order in um 100 >> I I think that we have to if we want to make this happen we're going to have to
approve to spend up to a certain amount >> things were 100 last year >> we paid to the state of the treasur state of New Jersey >> 100 I don't even I don't have a quote for this year nobody said Right. Because we
decided not to. So, >> but we um Yeah, the other ones. We have the 25 >> if you order saplings coming in, right? The maples, but those are big. >> Yes. >> And they're going to be delivered to my
house sometime. I don't know when. >> Did you get up? >> Okay. >> Um whatever you want to order, we would need a quote first. So, send me a quote. I'll just And then
>> I buy them. I'm so done with this. >> If I can find them, I'll just buy them. >> Okay, great. >> All right. Can we Thank you. Um, can we uh I'm sorry to do this, but my if if we get these um if Bonnie finds
these saplings and buys them um so we don't have to call for a vote or do you have anything else that you need to add before I backtrack? >> No. Well, that's it. >> Okay. Um Okay. Thank you for your update. Um, can we just circle back, I'm
sorry, to the um to to vote on the signage for the 250th >> motion to approve up to $400 for science. >> Yeah. >> And that doesn't include funings. >> And um I get a second. >> Second.
>> Second. >> Thank you. All in favor? >> Anybody opposed? Pass. Thank you. Apologize for that. Um, okay. So, Bonnie, love where you live day.
>> Um, April 26, 124. Um, we'll be inside and outside. Um, we'd love to have I don't know. >> I signed up. >> Did you? >> I saw sign up. >> Signed up. >> Um,
>> and we want to talk about 13. >> No, I don't think they're going to be prepared for that. I can't. So, um there were some ideas that that um generated from that Bill Brash presentation
>> from the pruning. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yes. I mean, I could I have his slides, you know, we got the the So, I wouldn't copy them, but um we could maybe have a demonstration just, you know, some basic
where you take a branch off, um like the diagram, some sort, proper pruning, proper selection. >> Will the tree buying be complete on on that day or will it still be open? In other words, we might have that closed yesterday.
>> Yeah. um average man. >> Yeah. >> Um >> you guys also talked I think I think I brought this up, but if you wanted to have um a map and people could just put where they wanted to have trees. >> Yeah.
>> Or thought would be a good place for trees. >> Yeah. How do we how do we do that? >> I don't know how that would work. >> Print out >> I'm sorry. Say your idea again. >> Like kind of a map of of the town. And so if people had ideas like, "Oh, we know that there's no trees right here."
People could just mark them and we could look after or you could look after. But >> it doesn't need to be totally scale. Could just be bringing in thumbtacks in. >> Well, I mean, I I don't know how you generate that. It would have to be It would be nice to have street names and stuff so people could get their earrings where
>> um >> Let me see. I might be able to print out like blueprint size. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just have to find a map that's clean. That's the hard baby. Like a zoning map or something, >> you know, with not a lot of stuff on it.
>> What would be great is to get one done by one of like by tree or one of these that shows the canopy that shows where there are trees so that you can see. >> Can arbor do it? >> I mean, they have they have it's just
using Google maps, but it has the canopy on it and it has the plotted trees on the map. suspicion or better. That's um I I don't know. Um
I I don't know. >> Um I would have would you guys like to work on a map of some sort? I do a tax. >> Yeah, but it's it's
Okay. Well, >> that's nice. It's simple. It'll print well and and be easy to like where the trees are. I think >> people don't you're not seeing where the trees already are. It's >> Oh, there. See that shows
um look at you Christy purple map over there just bring it all out back to the search for >> um can you call Arbora if you don't mind? >> Back's very busy.
>> Sorry Christie. Would you mind sharing your screen? >> Oh yeah. Sorry, this isn't my real computer, so my live. >> Do you know yours? Yeah. >> Can you guys see this?
I can see it, Christie. >> Great. >> This is what they give. If it's a hot day, they're all going to be putting trees in the community center. So, there's not a tree in sight.
Oh, there we go. Yeah, this is I think the benefits having something like this is that people can see where there is trees already. Now, that is current. That's absolutely
current. Like you know what I mean? >> Is it Google like >> I mean it's whatever the Google post Google map is. >> These are public trees. >> Yes. >> Trees that are mapped out. So there's like
>> will people looking at this map will we be able to differentiate where like public spaces where we could plant trees right because that's the that would be the only option for us. Right. Not not on private property. >> Right. Right. >> Right. I don't I don't know whether there's a way we can point out you know
fair fields this is >> well yeah blowing it up so that the it the spaces are better >> if you just go into like you could put in fair haven fields under the like neighborhoods or whatever >> or the the other option maybe is rather
than doing a map of the entire burrow like if we can pick like five or six maybe general areas like variable fields >> and then people could pick out specific spots within variables. >> What if we just focused on the community center because that's where we are and
we and there's this wide open space and we just asked for suggestions like what would you do with this space? Like, you know, if you were planting trees, like what would what would you like? Maybe we had blank, you know, the kids could do this, too. Like blank like layouts of
what that space is, like where would you put a tree? And like maybe, you know, they could draw trees in or put stickers or something like that. Or like maybe we have options of like, you know, pick a flowering tree and like you could pick A, B, or C and these are like where would you put these? Like what if it was
all about the space that we were in? So that people like actually >> it's kind of like taking a servant. >> Yeah. >> It would support our plant trees there. Yeah. Like what if like then like what if there was other things that you could put in there like a bench like a bench she I don't know like just something
about like make a landscape plan for us in this space >> and you have to include x amount of trees or something. So I mean >> here anymore. >> Yeah. See there. So could we include Oh
yeah. I don't have a updated you almost need a drone shot of the new space. Um, >> yeah, but it also could just be like the blueprints of what the space was, right? Like like what it is now. I don't I
don't really know. I mean, >> yeah, just like kind of like being in this like it's is >> there's no way to get an updated aerial shot of this. Does Google Maps ever like do you request it? Do they is it a matter of
satellite? I don't I don't know. I just don't know how it works out how this is. >> I was in Google Maps that my daughter found me and my neighbor who has the tree in front of sickles. >> She go in and update it. >> I don't know if it's still there.
>> Um I think that's a a great idea. >> Yeah. >> So this is coming up. This is April 26. So you need to figure out how we take a survey of where they think trees should be planted.
>> Yeah. You just submit your plan like submit your ideas like draw it the plan or not or just write >> how you like that could be something but I think like some information about like burning trees and stuff would be
>> useful too. Yeah. Um, >> I thought it was >> like a like a like a almost like how you did last last year, like an A or B, like here's your thing. Would you do it here or here? You got a really big red. >> Yeah. Like like what do you think? And then you turn it over and you can say if
you're a writer if you're wrong. >> Okay. >> I don't know. All right. >> That'd be easy for just working the table, right? >> Oh, yeah. The deer protection. Yeah. I have to not be charged.
>> Let me let me do this. Just this. >> Um, okay. >> All right. If I look at the right or wrong pruning thing, someone else could take the map project.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Come up with a landscape plan. I'll like do I'll try and come up with some sort of like game thing. And then you're on deer protection. >> I'm just gonna bring the fencing and show them how to Well, I mean, it's it's there. I put it on all the trees there.
So, I can show them. That's what you do. All right. And mulch and water bags. I'll be sure the water bags are on to my brush. >> Yeah. No, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to like think about how to >> Okay, now the elephant in the room, the
tree ordinance. >> So, uh, so I work for a consulting firm, so I put a PowerPoint together. I'm used to doing these pull it up. >> Um, so I guess my the headline is, well, I guess a couple things. So, >> I don't know if we're going to get
through everything tonight, so we may have to do this over the course of like several meetings. So we I I divided this up topic by topic and thanks for those that gave me feedback and incorporated um into the into the presentation. Um so
I think that one general comment is we obviously need to be deliberate deliberative about what items we think we want to bring back to the governing body for consideration. um because I don't know how much
appetite there's to revisit the the ordinance on mass. So we just need to think about strategize how we want to how we want to do that. So we don't need to decide that now we should go through all the items um and then go into the details and then over the course of the
next several meetings figure out what we actually want to uh bring back to the governing body. So maybe it makes sense just to do this by first by topic generally and then we can go into um specific detail details for each if
that's okay. So if you can flip so um yeah so number one talk about um significant specimen trees. Um second slide is um hazard tree
designation replacement requirements. Uh next slide is uh permit review process and uh tree removal on-site inspection. Um next one is uh violations of the protective barrier requirements
and penalty fees uh alternate disincentives. And then um last two are um threshold for large scale tree removal. And then um I just had a question. This is
outside my area of expertise just to think about whether or not the DBH measurements that are in the ordinance are appropriate or we should consider mutistic. >> Okay. So can we flip back to this is the uh all the data that um I think Christie
pulled on the last slide the per data just as a reference. All right. Okay. So maybe we'll go back and talk about um the slides here. Okay. So I think finally this came from
you I think right and Joe maybe you you also had comment about this. Um so you know consideration of increasing protection for significant specimen trees. So the prior ordinance that the
2024 to 2025 ordinance replace had a numerated list of considerations to be applied when determining whether or not the permit should be granted. And they looked at whether or not the tree in question was significant specimen trick.
And then the the definition from the prior ordinances provided there. Right. And so there was some concern about, you know, the issue about when the government body hearing the appeals each time as to whether or not a tree was a significant specimen tree and you
know the timing for that and you know the machinations involved having the governing body um you know hear the appeals. So I don't know whether or not it's feasible enough that the governing body would be willing to maybe delegate that appeal authority to the shade tree
commission. We had talked about that at one point in time and that seemed to be something that had a little resistance. Um where people would be coming here with their you know their request and
kind of you know would we would this commission at that point in time want to be put in that position to make those decisions and I think generally the answer to that is no. Um, >> can you say just by by by by this body
or by the governing board or vote? >> It was it was something that we had talked about as commission. Um, and then ultimately that was decided that that shouldn't happen. So that never went before the governing body. >> Yeah. >> This the definition of a specimen tree
is what though? >> Well, that depends on the town. Really? >> Yeah, that's what that's what I thought. What did we have? I don't remember the did we have what was the definition. >> Yeah, it's it's based on this the largest in Mammoth County. It's this
very strange like the list of largest trees in Mammoth County. >> Um which seems cumbersome. I don't like hard to figure out what that is. So I I don't know whether um we need to figure out parameters. Yeah. >> Age you know.
>> Yeah. I believe that Princeton had or one of the other ones um that kind of had like a a specimen. I mean quite a few have a specimen tree um provision, but one of them and I believe it was Prince Princon like referenced something
more at a state level as opposed to like a county level that seemed a little bit simpler. Um but there it ultimately I think in almost in all these ordinances goes back to some sort of like list of some sort
to say you know a certain percentage of the largest of whatever. Um, but I guess I question whether or not like if we look at the types of trees that we have in this town, whether or not um, you know, that
whatever that, you know, master list is could be something that we could narrow down to things that would be appropriate for Fair Haven. um like as a as a resource like you don't have to go like chase it into 30 different websites that
might be confusing like is there a way that you know we can make this into something that's very digestible and very understandable to a lay person like what does this mean that my oak is a specimen tree like how or why or like
whatever like to me I feel like I understand like I understand the the thread of how to get like how how people are getting there. But there's got to be a better way in my opinion like to kind of >> So you don't think we come up with our own way? That's maybe
>> well not necessarily our own way because what what authority do we have? But and we digest the information that's out there like through the resources that other towns are using in order to kind of like >> to simplify it and but to reference it like you know like in a footnote or
whatever to say this is where it's coming from. But why like it shouldn't be so complicated. We shouldn't have to send residents on some like internet search all over the place and and you know try and know the specific species and stuff like that. like it should just
be, you know, right, you know, whatever it is, like it just should be user friendly and I can't imagine that sending them to like a tree head website, you know, where they're talking all like species and and like that that
that's would be understandable or it seemed in the in the old but there were just there was a way to go whoa whoa just like don't can't just cut it and and to look at where it is. Like for example, those two big black oaks at
Snooko and say that's most of the canopy right around that area. Like that makes these significant because they're they're standalone trees there. Um and you know, is there a way to go? I I don't know. Just like accommodate these
big trees and slow down. And I mean I I would say that I think I I probably was one of the few people who thought that the shade tree should be people overseeing it because we are protected by the fact that we have this commission from liabilities or whatever. I mean, I
know nobody wants to be the person um which is what you know the American I don't want to be the person that says we can't have that train or the falls or whatever but um as long as it's not deemed dangerous we obviously
not protect like that it just something that gives pause so that we can consider special situations like we could protect the smoky trees but also So like when
when we talk about this, it would be useful to have data associated with it. So if we're talking about you know if we just look at our our tree inventory which obviously the trees in town are much the quantity is
much greater but if we just look at our data and we say okay within these 2,600 trees how many of these trees would we actually classify in this way? Are we talking about 1%? Are we talking about 10%? Are we talking about 20? Like if
we're talking about, you know, singledigit percentage of the of the entire population, the entire canopy in the burrow, like like we should be able to accommodate that. Like if all of a sudden you're talking about 25% of the canopy, well then no, like that's going
to be a a completely different conversation. So I I I wonder um you know I'd be maybe we this is this is something we'd have to ask Sh about or some of the sort of expert like if if we if we looked at just the the data that
we have and we kind of quantify it in that way would it be a reasonable assumption to say that that percentage would prevail across the entire burrow like I don't know the answer to that but you know like I I feel like that might
be a good place for us to start to kind of you know like to kind of arm ourselves or or whatever just like to have the knowledge like we we really are we're talking about this from a place of passion and like and and people feel passionately the other way. So we have
to be able to like back this up in some in some way in order to to bring >> resistant people along I think. So what if you if you use these tools where they um measure tree by size and height and all this about how much storm water it's
managing, how much >> carbon it's saying like if you somehow plot by trees that are providing these services over a certain level. So they're a significant part of our community. they're doing in a significant they're contributing in a
significant way to our air quality to our water storm water retention to our shade to our heat you know I don't I don't know but I think there are are tools out there quantify the value in this big tree
>> I think the point you're making though is like if we we can't have a situation where um you know 50% are cons are protected and and we're overreaching and saying like nobody can ever kind of treat that because we're going to
>> we're going to have a battle on our hands and it has to be a fair >> so kind of backing into like like these are our parameters and we look at it like oh 3% of trees belong to that parameter >> we're not overreaching at that point but I think that's kind of what I'm saying I
mean because we're talking I hear something significant >> a significant specimen like that cannot be by that same by that by that classification that cannot be >> right. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, >> so I mean, so definitely parameters of
like size or species saying we only have 10 of this valable species in town. So, should they be a specimen like or some, you know, I don't know. I mean there are lots of different ways um
to I mean like I looking at that arbor arbor row most of the biggest trees are black oaks it's really interesting I didn't realize that that is and so that is a significant species in fair because those are the ones that have lived
longer than any other trees these black oaks um so they love it here they've grown here they're I mean I almost feel like we should I think they're hard to think they're hard to find to plant and find to plant and if it defines them, I if it defines them, I would recommend would recommend planting down because planting down because that's what's kind that's what's kind of the history I just of the history I just
>> I also wonder if it would be helpful to >> I also wonder if it would be helpful to have I I don't know if we can get this have I I don't know if we can get this information, but like out of the dead information, but like out of the dead trees, the trees that have fallen or trees, the trees that have fallen or caused damage, like what kind of trees caused damage, like what kind of trees are those too? Because I think part of are those too? Because I think part of this is this is >> the push back is some of it is safety. I >> the push back is some of it is safety. like who are we to say no to a tree
coming down because if it were to come down and we said they had to keep it up then that would be on the burrow right so I think having some knowledge of I don't know I mean >> yeah well the trees that are not thriving >> yeah so
>> but like to your point it's important to not to think about those that are going to oppose this so that we create something that it we there's mark character. >> Yeah.
>> Because you know at times like I feel like I'm like who are you to tell me I can't cut you know >> you're the last vote for you. >> Yeah. >> Um as a constitutional list to kind of then I look at that I'm like well I don't want to cut anything down my
property but if I want to I should be able to. So like there is a lot of that sentiment here that we have to consider and make sure that we are gently getting our across. >> Well, do you think that like measuring the value of the tree in different ways
is helpful? I mean people think about that really I mean I don't >> you know >> I think it it varies person to person. >> Yeah. You know, >> but it could also be like like not to single one out, but if you came from
Staten Island, you were used to not having any trees. You moved here and you want a clear cut and put patio all over your backyard. That's a personal preference >> that I don't agree with necessarily, but but that person likes that, you know, >> that I feel like is what you want to
slow down. >> Yes. the reaction of this >> and just say, "Okay, so all right, so it's your house, but let's talk about this." Like, let's talk about the value. Why why you wouldn't want to do this? Like, >> look around at all your neighbors. This
is like what do you like about why >> you look at the house, there's a house that couldn't go up before the tree ordinance and now is up after the tree ordinance got swiped got changed. >> Yeah. So, you know, >> and the the house wouldn't have been able to be there if this tree hadn't
come down, which prior it got denied and now it came down. It was house there. >> Yep. I know. So, >> where's the >> We'll talk near my house. >> Um, you know, it was interesting being being at the um uh the shore area. uh Spring Lake was there and she was saying
in their ordinance they have a demolition laws like if you are demolishing a house there's different parameters for the what you have to pay into the penalty for the trees that you're taking down versus if you're just cutting a tree
down on your property that's one thing but if you are demolishing the house then there's a different setup to the walls and I said well that's intriguing because I think that's one of our biggest problems Yeah, right. >> I would I I would like to look at at
Spring Lake and see if even see if that makes sense. But I mean that's one way to just >> I think like you know this is I don't I don't want to spend too much time on this what I'm going to say right now. I think like the um the education portion
of what we should be doing here, it just like kind of is like should be reinforced because um to Bonnie's point about like what each tree means. Um you know there's there's value associated there. Um and and not only like a dollar
value, but you know because trees on your neighbor's property increase your own property value. So if they take down their trade like they're hurting your you know they're hurting your property as well. >> But um you know so I would I would love to consider
>> like um some sort of education process that goes into the application process like what this actually means. Um, which maybe is maybe is something that would be easier to kind of approach you know
with is it with the sorry this is like outside my area of expertise but is it possible to give like a rating to a potential tree based on okay this tree comes down you know impact on storm water management and all the other like
you know we have the formula set up >> right based on the tree and then Excuse me. These are going to be the ecological impacts of the tree coming down. >> Yeah. And and if it's over a certain if you're rating I'm sorry the rating on that tree is too high based on bang bang
bang bang bang. >> So it's specimen tree. >> I I don't know. I I think like we have to be careful with how you are classifying what a specimen >> and also numbers though because the clear cutting is also to be honest like one of my big concerns just having lived
it behind it. So even though like one indivual individual tree might only be sucking up this much water, the 20 trees that came down as a whole >> now just completely upended any kind of water absorption. >> Yeah. >> So I think that's a big piece that needs
to be considered. >> Oh, that's I mean I think storm water management is completely different than this than the specimen tree. I mean another >> angle or another um area that probably needs some I mean it test on that right
the storm >> okay um the hazard trees next >> and I know we've talked about this before we've seen the data the data recently around the number hazard trees taken down.
Um so I mean I generally consider we have to look at definition of a hazard tree in the ordinance here in the slide. Um and I I was looking specifically at subsection D causes damage to structure
of property. I didn't see anything in there. Maybe this is part of the um when the LTE does a hazard determination like whether or not it can actually be remediated, right? >> Right. Like does the whole tree like really need to come down or is there
some way and outside my area of expertise, but is there some way that the tree can be remediated and save the tree and then take away whatever the hazard is? And I pointed out uh construction one but it may be or sorry damage and structural property but it
may fall into the other enumer enumerated categories for hazard tree also just to think about right because in subsection C >> so C talks about when it when it obstructs the view of traffic signs or
free passage or pedestrians right and it goes on to say and we're pruning in Texas has not been affected right so there's there's the remediation part of um the hazard tree exception or not hazard tree definition benefit but
there's nothing for causing damage and structure profit so I don't know why there there there can't be remediation element to this one also maybe some of the other ones also >> so I'm sorry you said that there's no when they talk about hazard tree they're
only talking about they don't talk about hazard to aa So >> property. >> So the what I was looking at so hazard tree what there there are one two three there are five different categories of what hazard tree could be right I probably should add this up but so what
the one I was focusing on is causing objective damage to structures or property such as building foundation sidewalks utility lines etc. Okay. The one before that is obstructs the view of traffic signs where the free passenger pedestrians or vehicles and where
pruning attempts have not been affected. So I was like focusing on for the traffic one there is a remediation element that may >> yes >> pull it out of being a hazard tree right but there's nothing for causing damage to structure and property. I don't know
why potentially for all the other subcategories of what could be a hazard tree there's no remediation >> option avail. >> I think that would be sounds like that would be a good addition. >> Yeah. >> Right. And I and I don't know if it was a miss. I I don't know if you know or not whether that was a miss or that was
purposely just limited to >> I don't remember that specific conver like that that came up as a purposeful reason. So I think that >> might have been that might have just been copied from the previous >> It's possible. Yeah. And I don't I don't know what I don't know the answer to this. When the when the LTE looks at a
tree, is there a consideration before it's deemed to be a hazard tree? Well, if you do X, Y, and Z, then it no longer will be >> Oh, no. They're going to say it's not a hazard tree now, but once they do this, it will be a tree. Well, and and you
mentioned that that's a that's a good addition for like if you build this house here, you're going to make it a hazard tree, but it's not designated as one. You would still have to replace it. >> Not address. >> Yeah. >> Trees that are this is in the hazard
tree. Well, potentially address trees that don't meet any of the criteria below and are proposed to be removed solely for development purposes, but there's an and in there, so it has to be both. So, I'm not sure that's addressed or not, but we should think about that.
>> I was surprised at how many trees were considered hazard that were taken down this year compared to last year. >> Can you would you mind pulling that chart real quick? >> Bonnie, I think I think I remember wrong, the last bullet point was was came from your notes, I think. Is that
right? >> Yeah. Because wasn't it significantly different than last year? cuz I heard Sher say that. >> She said that to me. I'm like, well, >> what did you say? Sorry. 12 last bullet point. >> So 274 versus 122
from 25 to 24. I mean, that's a >> and I I just wouldn't mind my understanding how how so many more were identified. Did that many more people? >> No. If you look at it, I wonder if as the the amount of trees that came down the previous year,
>> it is a lot less. >> Yeah. So, what's the percentage? >> Why? >> So, it was 63% in 2024 >> and I feel >> 71%. So, yeah, it's >> what was the difference?
>> 63% in 2024 versus 71% 2025. But that's a big difference in numbers of trees. It's horrifying. >> I mean, I think more horrifying is the healthy tree. I know. But >> and how many trees we plant?
>> That's not right. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that should be on there, too. None of >> that's the tree replacement obligations. That's what you're supposed to >> No actual trees in the ground. All right.
Sorry. All right. Let's keep going because it's getting late here. >> Yeah. Do you want to do one more? Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then let's save. >> Okay. I mean, I'm having to save it. Um, should we should we should we save it for next time and just like like stick
with those two for now and since it's a nine o'clock and like let's get the rest of this stuff and then um >> those were I was I was going to say those are the heaviest ones or a couple more. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, thank you.
>> Yes. Just one comment. If anybody has anything else to add to the list now and the next meeting, let me know. Could you send us that that you send it to us? >> Digest it a little. >> That'd be better before the next meeting chance.
>> Okay. Um Darl, do you have anything on the watering? >> Um so I'm I'm hopeful to have a meeting um with DPW within the next few days. Um the thought on this um and kind of where I'm coming from is to get to get an idea
of um what we can and cannot ask of them >> as a like in their in their actual job description. what can I ask you to do on behalf of the shade tree and what can I not >> so that we understand kind of >> um >> you know how how how much we can
>> um and then um secondly um I'm what I wanted to do was open dialogue directly and and and be kind of point of contact from the shade tree to DPW that's kind of what we talked about so that if we have questions like we were talking about the pump for the watering
then I can have an open line communication with them and say, "Hey, what's the status on this? Where's it at?" >> Um, so, uh, I would love to be that person to go ahead and do that. I have a relationship there already because I some HC work with DPW and I've been
working with them. So, um, yeah. So hopefully by middle of next week we'll have we'll have an actual face to face meeting and like we just you know >> also that when I spoke to Nick about this I did say like we would we would on date on times when they were short over
the summer you know people on vacation that they could ask us for support to kind of like help with >> Yeah. I think it's important to have a partnership with >> so that you know when we need things we can ask and and we um you know and say that we the partnership has to work closely. >> Sure.
>> Perfect. >> This is a silly question but does Arbor Pro can you like track watering schedules on Arbor? >> I don't think so. I mean unless they unless they set it up as part of their like maintenance because it requires um them to kind of like issue a maintenance
>> like plan. >> Yeah. cuz I know that like with Violytics they're doing that with like street work and everything. So, I feel like there might be some way to cross that over or add that to >> Well, that was kind of what I figured would be our next step once we have this relationship that we can create some
sort of maintenance plan for our trees with DPW so that we have some accountability like as far as like you know, you know, um not just hey, we want you to order all these trees, but like when were they ordered, but but we have to do it in a
way where they're not burdening. that 900 different jobs that DPW >> well and this is coming up in like natural area too because they're talking about like getting the paths um done and how do they know when it's done what what is this and so I think this all plays in with all the different groups
all their needs having understanding what the maintenance needs are and is it too much for them is it like >> but I think the more we can get this in violytics and all like that data would be awesome >> all this is also why Kelly sent out that
um about going to the EC meeting about coordinating all the different >> Okay. Thank you. >> Are you able to go just out of curiosity to the um EC meeting or is that >> I believe so. I was kind of curious though about I know that there was a quorum question there and Mark and
Bonnie and I were all invited. >> That's three is okay. >> Three is okay, but he's also on shade tree too. So I guess I mean I do that with natural area so I don't know well >> I didn't know if it mattered if if like she was representing
>> but three is okay >> forum >> okay um all right dear protection I think we talked about that under um love where you live day already >> I mean I have it I'm saying if anybody knows somebody I mean I'm happy to come over and put on their tree
>> and I'll be putting the water bags back on trees um so there and come back >> and just deer protection or deer hunt has come back up at the council level and there's been talk about bringing it back in for conversations
but yeah >> there's a lot >> there are a lot of and there's a lot of talk >> have to bring back wolves so that's also >> great um you zman
Um, we kind of talked about everything that I was going to bring up, so I don't have a ton. Do you guys have any questions that we didn't talk about? >> No. >> Who's who's the council person? Is is our council person going to this meeting? The EC meeting? >> I'll be there. I mean, because I'm the
EC liaison and Christina will be there. Lucky because she's the EC leazison as well. Um, I guess one update is we had a meeting with um Stevens Institute for 21 Fair Haven Road. It's not necessarily shade tree, but it's I think interesting enough. So,
um they're hopefully going to come up with a um what's the word? Like not a full plan conceptual plan for us to about living shoreline versus a bulkhead or kind of a hybrid model. It kind of from preliminary talks, it sounds like it will have to be some kind of hybrid,
but everyone there is general consensus on the council that we do want to push towards living shoreline. So, they're aware of that. So hopefully we'll be getting a conceptual plan sometime soon for that. So that was a good positive meeting the other day. >> Is there any progress on the park be
>> it's done? >> Is it time? >> It's completely done. You should check it out. And then did your plant? >> No. >> No. Bonnie wants has some plants she's going to put there. >> Easy. Sorry. The ECL. >> Um but yeah, so that's done. Um, and
then there was talk about having the living shoreline, but like also looking at um the Gil Gillespie there. And then I'd love to include Hance at some point because that needs some help. That's it. >> Thank you. Um, so I'll just two really
quick things here. Um, I'm due to give the 2025 annual report at the council meeting on the 13th. If anybody wants to come and support, feel free. Um uh and then also core training and CEUs. Um in
our management plan, it stated that we were going to attempt to get um a fully trained fully core trained um shade tree commission. I realized that the spring training has passed, but um in looking at it as we were as we were working on
these other things, I kind of just noticed that. So, I wanted to put that on um everyone's radar. I'm trained, Bonnie's trained, Mike's trained, but I think that's it for our commission. So, um I I think another one happens in the
fall, right Kristie? Usually, >> one happens at the um convention at that. >> So, just um I I mean, if if you don't want to go physically to a location, they do offer an online thing and it does take some time, but um time was
>> flowers like like but it when I did it it was like it was like once a week for like maybe 3 weeks um and some of it you had to be like live for. Um and some of it you didn't. So um and then you took like little tests and stuff like that.
>> Um so just kind of like keep that keep the on your radar as something that we kind of need to do. there is a requirement that a certain amount of a certain amount of people are trained. Um, and then that will count towards CEUs. Um, but for those that are new,
um, we are required to hit a certain amount of education units as a group. Um, and so anytime that there's some sort of opportunity there, just please keep that in mind because it's better to spread it ac out across more people than
just having it be um, you know, one or two people. So I I feel like we failed to kind of like talk about that like with the you know the new year turned over that these are things that that we take care of. >> That's really interesting. I thought it
was very helpful the whole train. No, that was a I don't I did that a really long time ago. I don't even know if I could like honestly call myself portrained anymore. >> Um >> Jill, I want to just throw something out there to a little competition, but I will say the natural area when they
presented almost their entire group was there, the entire committee. So, no pressure, but if you want to support support Jill. >> Yeah. >> Uh okay. And so that's it for the project updates. Any new proposed agenda
items? I am going to propose that we look at some of this and eliminate some for next time and focus a little bit so that Neil has more time for the tree ordinance. >> So um I think we'll we'll have move past
a lot of these things by next month. Yeah. >> Um, so perhaps that it will just naturally be a shorter agenda, but >> Sure. >> Um, anything else? >> Can I just um say that I was talking with Brian Min at the um area Shri Group
and he they're going to try to have another um outing to Bernrook in September or October. Bernrook, the supplier of our resent tree wine. Um they're in Bordon Town >> and um did you did you >> No, it was 5 minutes away but >> yeah I don't know when they're going to
do it but it's a wonderful they they show you where all the trees are that they grow and they are a wonderful organization. They give back so much to their community. They have all these camps for kids. It's like a really feel good. They had a nice lunch and everything. It was they really went out of their way and they had speakers. So
if um he wasn't sure on the date but >> I would strongly encourage I had such a good time going and I would go again. Um, and but it's going to be in the middle of this year. So, perfect. >> Um, okay. Um, and any public comments?
No. Anybody else on there? >> All right. >> All right. So, let's make a motion to adjourn. >> Second. All right. Thank you everybody. I'm sorry that's been a little bit longer than >> Thanks everyone. Great meeting. Jill
>> here.