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I'm running through this. Um, this is a regular meeting of the shi commission of burough fair haven. In accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings act, public meetings may be held in person or by means of communication equipment to include streaming services and other online meeting platforms. This meeting is being held in person and through the Zoom

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feeding platform being broadcast from Burough Hall, 748 River Road Fair, New Jersey. Public participation for this meeting on July 1st, 2026 is available by call and phone number or through Zoom. Members of the public will be on mute until it is time for questions and comments which will be announced. At

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that time the public has the opportunity to question comment by phone through the zoom or through zoom by the raise hand button and will be called on at the appropriate time. Notice of this meeting was sent to the Asbury Park Press, the two river times star ledger on January 30th, 2026 posted on the burough

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website, the Bolton board in the municipal building has remain and has remained continuously posted as required under the statue with adequate notice having given the shade tree commission secretaries directed to include the statement in the minutes of this meeting. I realized that I printed out

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my stuff and probably left it on my table. So, he's grabb a agenda. Um, all righty. [clears throat] Okay. Can we do the roll call, please?

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Leah Vigani absent. Neil Blecher >> here. >> Peter Gatti absent. Mike D'Angelo absent. Daryl Golden >> present. >> Mark Olsson. Uh Becky Glee

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that she would be here. Jill Sullivan >> here. >> Bonnie Torcivia >> here. >> Also present for Secretary Larson. You have a quorum. Okay, let's stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America >> and to the republic for which it stands nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Um All right. Online guys, I need

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a approval of the prior a motion to approve the prior meeting minutes. Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Okay. Minutes are approved. And then we'll

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move right into project updates. Um first first area is tree planting. The M memorial tree planting program. Mike D'Angelo was on that. Um he and I were supposed to connect on that after the last meeting. We did not. Um so

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we'll connect before the next meeting um which is in September. So put that on pause. Um >> sorry >> planting plan. Mark Olson on Q. >> So no [laughter]

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my wife and kids she left me and I'm like I get I'm going to me like I have no car. I had to ride my bike here. Sorry. It's 10 minutes. Sorry. I thought you were trading changing into your shade tree commission uniform. >> Yeah.

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>> Hey guys. >> All right, Mr. Olsson, you are up on the plant like the tree planting plan. Do you have anything for us on the street as you do? >> I do. So, >> should I vote Bonnie?

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>> Yes, it's your go ahead. Mark, are you out of breath? Yeah, I'm out of breath. And if I sent you a picture picture, Christy, because you put it up. >> Sure. >> You start about the double secret place

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we were talking about >> by the path. >> The double secret [laughter] place. Um, are you talking about Fair Haven Fields, Mark? >> Yes. Um well, just to continue, um uh Jill,

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we were Mark and I were walking out of Third Street Trail into the fields and we're looking toward the right, which I don't think is an area we had targeted, but thought that would be a nice area to put some trees along that path. I think someone pointed out to Mark that he

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thought they needed shade. somebody that walks around the track all the time. Um, which I bet everybody that walks around the track right now wishes there were trees all around it for shade. U, but we thought we would might add that. Um, I also just got a um a text from somebody

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uh who asked that we look at the behind the um community center again. Really try to figure out something for behind the community center. It's such an open slate and I know we're gonna may I mean maybe when we get the tulip trees rep replaced we

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can think about adding something along the line of the playground. I don't know. That might be nice. >> I think that um the that one area that you mentioned um coming out of third sheet third street Cheriel to the right is an area that Sher and I had targeted

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had talked about targeting as well. So, I think that that was >> that's on that was on the radar slightly, but I think, you know, we can officially put it off the radar with um with the plan. Um and I I agree center is definitely an opportunity. Um

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>> I guess at some point we just need to improve how much money we want to spend on these trees, right? what portion of our um budget we want to >> Well, I think I think we want to spend all of it on planting trees. Um

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>> I I think that um again, I think we've said this like many times is that it would be >> um a good idea. [laughter] it would be a good idea to um to come up with a an overall plan um and

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propose it to um council as like this is what the shade tree commission would like to do. >> Yeah. >> As an overall like you know step one, step two, step three plan. So um so I think as we continue to come up with these areas like it would be good to

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keep a list. >> Yeah. And um and then we could put some we could put some numbers >> uh behind that by even just getting quotes. I know when it's a bigger project, we'll have to get multiple quotes, but we could start by getting

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quotes from the vendor that we know just to have like a ballpark of like what we would propose in order to spend x amount of dollars. So um so let's do that >> that and then so the two views

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that one four is not right you could probably the other picture and Christie will show you you'll probably put six more just shows you how dry that northern part of fairs is and then I can't remember is that ballpark that's I don't know if that's fair too

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>> is this where like 3-year-old bes >> yes yes that's it >> okay >> but that baseball field on the bottom Those are like Well, Chrissy, you tell me up through like third or fourth grade. So, it's not like nobody's going to hit a home run into these streets. >> It's very little kids cuz my back that

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is my backyard. >> Yeah. >> And there was a lot of drainage issues. So, it was very rarely used, but they've >> seen I see kids there playing, but they're small. >> Yeah. >> That's four. Fancy. >> That's That's

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right. >> Three is at the bottom. And then something else is at the top. >> I think that's two at the bottom. Three is in the back. And then four is the fence. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So that view and where the >> down at the bottom of two is where um

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Matt Kennedy is. >> Y >> that's where the drainage is. So down at the bottom of the of that picture, >> there's a lot of drainage problem. I see what the drainage problem is too. It's slightly elevated, maybe a foot, I don't know. All that water comes down and drains down. So that is super dry. If

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you show the other picture, it shows you that there's room for more than four. You could probably do six. >> Yeah, >> I'm assuming that like I this is actually the first time I'm really hearing about the drainage there. >> Is that something that we've ever talked about?

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>> Yeah, they did a big project a couple years ago to try to fix it because it was basically always unplayable. Yeah. >> Um and they're since they did the project, they are playing on it. Okay, that's good. Um, >> so it's better, but I don't know what the current

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>> this is, um, to the right is the first trail. To the left are the bleachers on the third base side of Fair Haven 3 and that's looking >> uh, west towards the Gentry, >> right? >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> So, the other one that somebody noted and I think it's right is you before you

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go to council, you probably got to go to um, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> definitely. Yeah. Yeah. If we could, if so, if you're talking about a October, November planting, >> we should um to continue that line of

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trees. If um on the other side of the trail of the walking path, there are the two um >> on the on the western side, there are those two um uh oh, what? >> Pairs.

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>> Gallery pairs. And one of them is tipping over. It's like half dead. We could be we should make that >> they could we could put two nice trees in there too. >> So yeah, it could be like a a both sides of the trail type of situation. >> I think that'd be really nice. >> Yeah. And and it's and the guy that told

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me is a former shade tree guy or Steve Trudeell. >> I know. I just >> he lives on church. >> Yeah. Um, and he's like, you know, if he walks a lot

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[clears throat] and Bonnie said it's or he said to me, it's always hot. >> It definitely is. >> He's like, if there was a little, you could build actually a little tunnel there, tree tunnel. >> Um, and you could, you know, come all the way up to um,

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>> what do you want to call it? Outside the third baseline. >> I don't think those guys are going to run into those trees. Is there any room for here? Cuz even just like people sitting on these benches. It's probably too close though, right? But >> Oh, now you're showing off. See, now you're showing off. >> Well, I think like you have to do it

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behind. You could do it to the side there. >> But no, you'd have to be concerned. You'd have to consider the third baseline because line. That's first base. >> Third base. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. So, so you know

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people run to catch the ball like you would like to go out there >> past where that turns to the right. >> Yes. You would pass that. >> So if you did, you know, six on the left side of the path and then you >> Bonnie, there's probably two or three you could do on the right side of the

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path if you remove those that broken down calorie pair. >> So you could get nine. >> Yeah. So Okay. So I think what I think what I'm envisioning is like we have all these pockets of possibility but like

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like let's gather these in one location like let's call this whatever you want to call this this pocket um the community center I think we've talked about a few other places too and like let's >> let's name these projects and let's prioritize those

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>> so that we could put a budget against each of them and say all right so 2020 20 maybe it's 2020 fall 2026 we'd like to do this as we move into 2027 we'd like to do this and this and like we have we have this we're not spending

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the money that we're bringing in from this from the tree removals and we're not even coming close to doing a one for one so like in terms of removals or replacement so we have we have to we have to move forward with some sort of

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plan >> to kind of make to kind make this this ordinance work as that it was intended. Yeah. >> However we feel about it, you know, like it's just >> How much are you pricing each tree? >> Um I think that I think that it's um

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Fern Brook's prices are going to go up um for the fall. They've been generally charging us 380 for the tree and the installation. Um my >> or >> Yeah, I think it's going to be closer to that. So, if you did 10, >> let's call it 500 just to >> call it 500. So, if you did 10, that's

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5,000. Is that >> Do you have more capacity? >> Well, I think you want to do more than 10, don't you? >> How much capacity you have? >> 10 trees. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we >> How much How many dollars do you have? >> We have $10,000. >> Okay. So, then if you went down by the um

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Michael, what's the Bonnie? What's the thing? Uh the utility company. >> Oh, the JCPNL. Well, we have to get Those are aren't those being >> they just planted arborings.

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>> Yes. On their property right next to their parking lot. >> We're not planning on but I think like my point being is that like like we should be talking about >> like Fair Haven as a whole like what is our what is our plan? Like is that the first qu like so I like that idea but if

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you look at the entire town of like where we want to do things would that be priority number one? fair to that trail. I mean, yes or no, I don't know. It doesn't matter. >> That's up to the committee. >> Yeah, exactly. So, >> it's up to Susan O'Brien. She usually decides [laughter] >> I mean, maybe next meeting you put it on

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the agenda and literally like >> come up with >> priority one, priority two, priority three, priority four. Right? Because in order to do this, we would have to agree to like this is how we would want to spend >> the money and like as other things like and then what what would be our goal for

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2027 and beyond and like eventually >> when we meet this whole goal of the town then you know then we'll start over again. >> [laughter] >> usually. >> Michael, can Michael, can we put the um community center on [clears throat] as

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>> I asked that specifically because I was concerned about it. So, yes, you can put it back on or not back on, but yes, absolutely. >> We can plant trees. >> I have been told. Yeah, because after Love Where You Live Day, I'm out there and it really is so

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>> just sparse. Yeah, it's so so sunny there after it stopped raining. Um, yeah. So, I asked that specifically. I mean, I think the problem is we were told there was like a phase two. Turns out there really wasn't a phase two, but we don't want to

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like take over the whole area because it is nice having that sort of open area, but if we could put trees around the perimeter or figure that out, I Yes. So, I would put that back on. Okay. >> So the next to the west NJ whatever the

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utility not the one spot another one is over by would require a little bit of work to four four or five over by um sticks and sprouts. That thing is just a disaster and they could use some power for sure. >> Can you tell where that is even public

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property though? >> That's buried in the fields but up from it's it abundance the church. I think that there's like also as we talk about this and just thinking out loud like there's the lowhanging fruit right that's easy easy and then there's some

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projects like that would require some remediation of invasives or something like that in thinking fairfield where like that could be something that we work towards like we fundra not fundra but we >> yeah they're they're harder projects

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>> yeah like or that's like a granting opportunity or something like that Whereas these the ones the parent feels that's correct that's easy. >> Yeah. So there could be like the Yeah. Like the easy projects and the more challenging. >> I have a question. Bless you.

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>> The I I'm getting I think I'm getting the JCP and all but I know they were like removing invasives over there. But weren't they replanting trees because So I think they're planting trees there. >> They planted >> Wait. So, you're telling me that they just planted the arbor vites in the last

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month and a half? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So, Michael, I I went back and forth with Chris York set me up with the person at JCPNL. She responded because I said, "That's a great start. You started you planted those big green giant. They're not the skinny arway. They're

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the big green giants." >> And um I said, "But now there's this just this patch of there are some foria, but it's a tangled web and there's vines all up the big trees on either side. They need work." and she and she responded, "That's not a big deal to do." Then she disappeared. I don't know

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if >> she was JCP. >> Yes. >> And I don't know if it's the big storms that came in. Obviously, you know, anytime a storm comes in, they have lots of problems. So, I have not I've sent her a couple emails just said Chris wanted to meet her out there and discuss it, but um because it's he said it's

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their property. It's not our property to clean up. >> It is. Yeah, that's what I understand. Chissy, can we follow up on that >> and just ask Chris what kind of next steps or have we heard from them what they're planning on doing? >> Yeah. >> I don't know. It's kind of >> funny. I feel like you shouldn't have to

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be calling that. >> Well, well, I mean, I I I reached out to Chris and said, "Oh, I saw these trees planted. This is great. Let's let's keep going." And so, he woke me up with them and it's looked like it was looking good and then they just disappeared. So, which I think is >> they started but that but I don't think

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that needs to be on our list this list of things we need to do. >> So, by our next meeting you want a list not just location but like difficulty or you're saying

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>> project list like like kind of like that >> the easy ones first. I would say let's let's kind of let's kind of get some wins like that would be I like >> and let's anybody that has a good idea send it to Mark and you know like things we haven't thought of. So,

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>> but no bad ideas only. >> And Stephen, you're you're welcome to submit something too out there. >> And Susan, [laughter] >> okay, perfect. All right, so let's move on.

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>> All right. Uh, community outreach. Um, Leah's not here, but um, Right. She >> she texted me right a little while ago. Did you talk to her? She texted me about um that she's working on the posts for

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the trees and the banners this weekend. >> Okay. >> Instagram. If anybody has any photos, send them to her. >> Did we share those with Betty as well? [gasps] >> Oh, you mean like running it by her?

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>> No, no, no. I think that we should send her all the pictures, too, and make something and post them. >> Well, yeah, because I think she's a little bit more I want the burrow to send something out about this. I think it's awesome. It is. >> Well, I've gotten a lot of I've gotten a lot of >> But the pictures because people are

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taking actual pictures that are really cute. >> I' I've gotten a lot of positive feedback about the um about the, >> you know, the project um just from people knowing that I'm involved with this like, you know, thinking that it's

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a great idea and well done. And so, >> and the pictures are so cute like if we can >> get them out that would be great. So yeah, we I would love to get them out into the community just so we can see them, but also so maybe others will participate. >> Yeah.

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>> Also, so I would strongly encourage people to take pictures with the trees or have their friends, little kids, if they get approved and they need approval, I guess, if it's children, unless they aren't they're looking at the tree and not at the camera. Um, but get them to Leah so she has a bunch to post.

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>> Um, I've sent her a handful. So, particularly with the owners of the like the the property owners, I think that would be great. I know a couple of them said they would do it. Um I know Neil, I don't know if if you know you're the ones that we wrapped if they want to get a picture and send it to you.

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You're you're on mute, but >> sorry. Yeah, I've not asked them to actually take a picture, but I can reach out to Lauren today. >> Yeah, perfect. >> Definitely. even on the board. >> I sent you a cute picture from my neighbor. I'm gonna text them and see if

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they're okay if we can share that one. >> She was so cute. It It really is such So, great job everyone. >> I'm not I should probably >> picture of somebody, but if we could even put them on to not now, maybe like later we could like do like a little

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recap on the website itself. A >> picture. [clears throat] >> I should pro I should probably know this, but I don't. I apologize. So, the um the the procession in town on July 4th, will that be going by? Does anybody

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know will that be going by any of the uh any of the trees? And if so, that would be a great photo op. >> It would, but I don't >> I don't Are there any on um >> not on Haven Road? >> I mean, it starts at

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>> We're going north. Memorial Park >> and 21 Fair Haven Road, right? Yeah, there's nothing on that street. >> Okay. All right. Just thought that would be a good photo op. Oh, no. There's a water. No. No. Okay. Yeah. >> That would be cool, though. That would have been a good photo op.

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>> Yep. Okay. >> Um there's one in Marter Park, but that's probably the closest one to that location. Um Okay. All right. So, moving on on to tree protection. Uh any update Darl on

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the watering situation? >> Uh yeah so the uh the watering truck itself is uh is active and repaired um and um you so we were just discussing you know the potential for multiple

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projects um you know in the future. So DPW is just asking that once we decide to move forward um that we share a schedule um and then and along with a uh some direction as far as amount of

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times per week the trees need to be watered that we plant and the volume and uh get that to them in writing. um along with you know when we intend to plant and with that information they will make sure that uh that everything is ordered.

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So um >> hey Darl can I ask you a couple questions? So when we were at the shade tree not sorry shade tree um natural area meeting watering came up and I said I would get an update from you Bonnie. So we were just like what are the

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capabilities within natural area or within like the third street trail I think is kind of the question that we have. So I I can get you specific, but um anywhere that is not accessible by a

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truck, which I would consider those I mean the the trail itself around Fair Haven Fields, the paved trail, a truck can get to [snorts] um and I think the hose is let's say 50 or 100 ft. So, so

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anything within that is accessible, but anything beyond that, they're having to go out there and water by hand with either a golf cart style uh or, you know, something like that. Um, so it it's much more difficult for certain.

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>> Yeah, because I mean because they have planted some that are dying and it's sort of like pointless to plant them if we don't water them. >> Yeah. But third street trail now we do have the hose >> and we're using it

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>> is right behind >> it's between fair haven three fair four >> okay >> and that works and so that hose could extend all the way down to

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Christiey's house so there's 500 yeah almost water all those nutrient All right. >> But in theory, the the truck could get there. So, >> and in theory, the truck.

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>> It's really about the trail. So, >> yeah. And Daryl's right. So, it's >> Yeah. >> Hey, Darl, do you know is there There's three summer workers. Are they the ones manning the water truck? Do you have any idea?

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>> I I don't know specifically who. Um, no I just um he refers to his team in general. So no I I don't know specifically um who >> I mean like >> I think the point of like of specifically

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educating that that the DPW crew on the volume, the frequency Yeah. and stuff is is something that we should be able to provide in order to like kind of set an expectation of what it would take to

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help these trees thrive. And if we could I I think a lot of people said they need to be they need to be watered, but that can mean very different things to people like >> and that was what was that was specifically what was asked of us. You know, if we give direction and we give

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specific instruction, it will be followed. um you know um if there's a you know um how many times per week you know volume um you know if there's anything special that needs to be done if we give that clear direction it'll

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happen um if we leave it up to them they're going to water them when they get to ordering them kind of thing. So um if if so you know they're they're saying it's up to us give us clear a clear path as far as what you want from us and we'll make that happen. So that's

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a fair answer. >> Have we So So how do we do how do we do that? How do we best do that? Like to give I guess we should just start with when we newly plant a tree like I feel like you have a formula for that. >> Yeah. So newly plant a tree. I would not

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do it in the spring or summer. I've made enough mistakes. It's impossible. I It's just painful. So planted in the fall and then starting you need those 14 weeks June, July, August the first half second

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half of June, all of July, all of August, all of September. Those 14 weeks, you need a gallon per foot of tree per week. So if it's 10 foot tree, you need 10 gallons a week. Now, >> can you tell me, say the formula again?

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>> Uh, a gallon per week per foot of tree. But >> so Mark those those >> the bags >> one second but God gives you a bunch of that. So you don't have to put we don't have to put 10 G. So you're going to

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have weeks where you're good. >> You're not going to have 14 dry weeks. You're probably going to have seven >> dry weeks in those 14. Sorry about that. >> No, no. I was just going to say a lot of the they have bags on them and those are 15 gallon, right? the bags

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>> uh could be bigger than that. But but the formula is a gallon a week >> per so you don't need to put too much water in there gets raining in a couple hours. So >> well they do but at least that's a fill

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the bag once a week is at least a a good start. And I think they need to be doing that at DPW all those newly planted trees at the police station. They all have bags on them. That should They have to water them at the community center. Those tulip trees, even though we think they're dead, there is a chance that

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maybe if they put water on them, a couple would survive. >> You think they should water them? >> What? >> You think they should water them? >> I think they they definitely should, Mark. >> This is a big should. [laughter] >> Okay. I thought why don't we start with the first baseline until we plant again

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that every tree with a bag the bag should be filled up once a week. >> Yes, >> let's start with that and then if there are other trees that need bags let's go put a bag on them >> and like and if we put a bag on a new bag on a tree we need to communicate

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>> um tow that this tree has a bag and with a with an address. So let's start there. Do you think that that could be something you could communicate with them? >> Yeah, absolutely. Yep. Yep. If you tell me, you know, ones that have bags currently that need it and then ones

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that were putting bags on, we will Yeah, absolutely. >> All right. Awesome. >> Can I ask something? So, I feel like I should know this. My apologies. So, with the natural area, when they put trees up, that doesn't fall under your purview, that's totally separate or does

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that count as shade tree also? up until until now it's been the natural >> because I want to make sure that we're coordinating this effort >> with that yet we haven't >> so >> but so then they'd be separate but I

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would love to coordinate their needs for watering as well as part of this so I guess I can make the recommendation to them to also let us know what trees they've planted as Does that kind of make sense?

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>> I mean, if that kind of falls into the DPW's responsibility, then >> that's the question. >> Does it? >> Just a question. >> The nature area is owned by Fair Haven. No. >> Yeah. So, I would >> then then it does. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because we don't I mean,

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>> just because volunteers just like you guys are volunteers are planting them, I don't know why it would fall on them to keep trees. >> It's also abandoned issue for them, too. Yes. How much how many hours does it take for plant? >> It is. But that's not I don't love that answer, you know, because

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>> if we plant these trees, then what's the point in planting them if they're just going to die? So, >> great. Yeah. And you also don't know what's going to be required at 21. >> I know. >> When they get into that design, >> correct? Yeah. >> And then what's going to be planted at

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Bsentennial Hall? >> Yeah. Michael, why don't you put me in touch with the uh nature area person directly? >> I'm going to do that. That would be great, Darl. Thank you for doing this. >> And then I can just run, you know, one one point of contact, one list of trees that need to be watered and just start

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plugging away at that. >> Okay. Thank you, D. >> Right. So, however long it takes to fill the bag like over the course of I mean >> it takes >> it needs to be it needs to be a consideration on like any anything you plant then like it like

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again maybe there's a part of um a volunteer aspect of >> you can also have if you plant in the fall you have a nice wet fall winter spring and a not crazy dry summer the

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tree might not require it certainly wouldn't need a bag filled every week. You could probably do it a couple times a summer and you'd get it, >> right? Like, but I think we have we I think we have to say

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>> we can't we can't leave that up into interpretation, right? Like like we have to say what >> what what we need done, you know. >> Yeah. But it is weather dependent, >> of course. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

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and maybe for the inaccessible areas, DPW has to make a determination how they're going to do it. >> Yeah. >> Right. Let them decide. Don't Don't just not count them. >> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

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>> Okay. All right. Great. Well, thank you, Darl. Um, all right. We're going to move on to the tree ordinance review. Um Neil >> uh yes so I I think verball correctly we've gone through all the feedback and

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suggested modifications uh to the current tree ordinance. Uh so in in terms of next steps uh my plan for our next meeting which I think is in September is to um put together a redline draft um of the current tree

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ordinance. I think we discussed this generally uh during our last meeting with uh proposed changes and then also put together a draft memo, excuse me, [clears throat] to the governing body um just providing a road map and summary of what the suggested changes are. So, I'll

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have that prepared in advance of our next meeting and then Christie, I'll send it to you and then if you can distribute it to the um shade tree commission members in advance of the meeting and then we can review that um during our September meeting and then

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hopefully be in a position to um get on the agenda for the governing body before the end of the year. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Okay. Um we're going to move on to administrative items. Um

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we have the budget and permit data review which um maybe you could just forward along to if you don't mind to people that are >> Yeah, I can show it on the screen. Do you have them? >> Oh, we have Yeah, I gave them all to you. Joe,

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thank you guys. Perfect. Can you guys see that? >> I mean, it's so interesting that the hazard trees that there's so many more being removed now. >> I find that very interesting. Is it that like more being

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considered hazard or just that now we've made it easier to get rid of trees that people are now doing? It >> looks to me like we're halfway through the year. We're trending on a total more tree removal than we did last year.

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>> Um and of course there was that huge jump after the new ordinance came in between 24 and 25. So our trend is bad. >> Yeah. Um, >> but what's weird is the money is lower. If you look at that, like >> if we double, we're still less than what

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was last year. So why is that number so much lower? >> Well, they could have um decided to replace the tree on their own. >> True. Okay. Is that's not on here though. That would be interesting to

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>> maybe you don't have that, do you, Kristen? >> Uh the members online, can you see this data? Bonnie, can you see it? >> Yeah, it's kind of >> Yeah, I can't. I mean, it's just Yeah. >> Yeah, we can see it.

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>> Um, you can see like um place the feed the shade tree in L of replanting. >> I mean, the healthy trees were kind of if we double it's about the same. >> And this is all Sherry. That's all Sherry's reports.

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>> I'm sorry. Where? What line are you looking at? Are you looking at this number here? Three permit fees, but no, those are all the fees that a resident pays to remove a tree. The application fee is $50 and then the inspection fee is 25. >> That's all money to the borrow from a resident.

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>> I think something to add to this if possible is to see like who's how many are opting to pay versus how many are opting to plan. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, it's easy because we have the payments in our budget which is the next number.

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>> Okay. >> So, um I think it was a hand total. >> Okay. So, I >> read that >> was infectious disease. >> So, Jill, can do you think um I know you

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spoke to Sherry about the hazard tree like breaking down exactly what makes it hazardous. It's here. >> Sorry. >> It's here. Do you see that, Bonnie? >> Right. Yeah. I guess I just am wondering if it's had

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any impact on her. I don't [laughter] know. Just there's so many I just I find it hard to believe so many are hazardous in all these different ways. I don't know. [clears throat] I guess do you air on this side of caution all the time? I don't know.

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>> Yeah. And just finally remember one of the items we talked about um in terms of revising the um the tree ordinance uh I think for items the obstruction traffic objective damage and then threat to

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public health safety or welfare like whether those situations could have been remediated right thus avoiding the tree actually being taken down h as a hazard tree. So at least for me like that's an

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important factor for us to consider especially when we're going forward with revisions to the tree ordinance because if we pruning for instance could alleviate the problem >> right then the whole tree doesn't need to come down >> right

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>> so I wonder and I don't know I I don't know if we have this data or not like how many of these situations like could have been you know the tree removal itself could have been avoided right but for ruining or some other remediation. >> Yeah, >> we don't have that either. >> No, no, I Yeah, no, I get it. But that I

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think that's important issue when we're when we're framing and looking at changes to the tree ordinance. >> Neil, I wonder if if uh using AI you could see what normal procedures are for handling hazard trees. I mean, have you

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looked at that at all? >> Yeah, you have. >> No, I haven't, but I but I will. I I'll do that as part of the redlinining exercise. Yeah, that's >> suggested language or something >> and say put in we'd like to um replace the hazard tree. I don't know,

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you know, feed it what you want to like language that would help us get fees for hazard trees or or protect I don't know replacement. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I will do that. My my guess my guess is that at the ordinance

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level it's going to have to be to some extent generic because you know whether you know because it's going to really end up being you know a case by case basis and I guess Sherry will have to determine right whether remediation is possible based on the specific tree

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right but we should at least build that concept into the um proposed updates to the tree ordinance but I will definitely AI it if That's a that's a way to describe it to see if there's a there's a good way to frame it in in terms of actual, you know, updates to the ordinance itself. I

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>> think one of the things that's that I'm thinking about here is that, you know, we we're here to protect the canopy or or enhance the canopy, grow the canopy. And what I'm noticing is that we will

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never be able to catch up however many we however much we tried to plant to the amount that we're losing at this rate. >> Jill, I literally said this like on the record so many times before we pass this other ordinance, >> right? Like it's impossible. Like so to

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more than double this is the trend right now. Yeah. You know, we we've already surpassed in 2026 the amount of trees we've taken down in 2022 when we had Fabian's previous collection. And I know like th this is the problem. This

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ordinance is not doing what it is intended to do. >> So like I think that that's um Neil like something in this memo that if it if it's okay with the rest of the commission that I think that really

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needs to be the reason the reason we are approaching this like [clears throat] >> but what are the solutions so we're talking about is there like are there other pruning options before taking down >> and I know the financial part of it that

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was supposed to be the turn but then it turned out we put we were I mean I thought it was too much money anyway but we had gone exponentially over what was legally allowed >> for um if you weren't doing it do you remember that part of it like right um to back it down.

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>> Yeah, they had to back it down. It's still kind of a lot of money, but clearly the So, the idea was that the dollar amount was supposed to deter people from wanting to take Jews down. It's clearly not deterring anyone. >> I don't like I I think it's just adding

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back in the ability to say no. Like, >> but how do we do that? So, >> restate that. Say it again. Like there there was the there was the in the previous previous ordinance there was the ability to say for your permit to be denied

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>> for the town >> for the and that's not to say that the resident the resident of the veners had to make an extra effort to get the permit. They had to like present their case >> and and more often than not that was

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granted. However, like if I I've in my opinion and this is, you know, that that gave some people pause like the effort to go ahead and >> and% do that >> and then they rethought it and like maybe then they're treating their hazard

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or they're like ruining it. So like like so like I understand you know this is somebody's property. I get that. But like you know as I said to you like you know you buy a historic home in the historic district you're you you are

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bound by some rules of like it doesn't matter if it's property or not you can't like you know go ahead and build build a mid-century modern house there like not allowed so like >> so where is that balance for this other resource that we have in our town like that

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>> part of the reason that got removed I think is because the council felt like um that permitting that going in front of the council was a burden for the council. They don't face that. >> Yeah, they didn't want to and they

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didn't also want it to come back to shade tree either because that was discussed as well. >> Oh, I mean we're not >> So who would who would be the ones declining, right? >> Michael, could I just ask because I I don't recall. Um I I I I I I know the

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answer why the council didn't want to you know make the determination. So what was the pause in having um the applications heard by the shade tree commission itself >> probably what Jill's just said >> we're noticial

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that was the council right so wait I Jill can you just I didn't hear what Jill had said we're >> we're not elected officials to like to make those determinations. And we're not tree like we're not licensed tree experts, >> but the zoning board and the planning board. >> Yeah, exact. I was gonna say exactly

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that. The zoning Yeah. zoning. >> Yeah. I I mean that's >> I know. >> I'm not I'm not here to >> I know. But it's sort of the I but I think that's where it got stuck because the council didn't want to do it. They didn't want to push it back to shade tree. So who would say no? I mean, I

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think maybe in the ordinance if you have some tighter at least parameters on heritage trees because that was the one that was promised. Yeah. >> That like we would go back and look at heritage trees specifically. >> Um, and I guess heritage is that age, is

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that diameter? What is that? You know, like what does that count as? >> Um, I'm trying to think like what other there could be something that has like how is it affecting storm water? I mean, like there's ones in Little Silver that talked about if it's on a slope.

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>> So, at least having some tighter parameters around >> the actual location of a tree or >> but then who does it go back to? Does that then go back to the tree expert? Maybe doesn't even have to come back to council. Maybe just goes back to the tree expert. I don't know.

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>> So, so Neil, I would say this is another thing to just um Google find out what is the typical way this is handled. Do shade tree commissions typically hear these? >> Um, good question. >> I think I mean somebody somebody should

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be I think somebody should be hearing these. You know, if the council doesn't want to do it then shade tree I'll say shade tree should. But >> I've always said I I'm in favor of the shade tree. I because I feel like we we care about trees more than anybody else. We don't have a million other things on

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the agenda, right? Like the council does. So I don't >> and then and then to Michael's point, sorry Michael, not to put words in your mouth, but planning and zoning, right? They make they make determinations. I mean, they can be appealed, but they make determinations. And when they need

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expert advice, then they rely on >> rely or at least not maybe not reli at least they they you know, they they absorb expert advice. So just I mean two two comments I'll make you know and I'm I will focus on this as I'm doing my redlinining of the ordinance and the

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memo and obviously we'll all review it. I mean the two comments number one is you know the increase in the number of hazard trees here is like staggering. >> Yeah to me >> I mean like staggering and you know that that is I think the numbers there I

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won't say anymore other than I think the numbers there speak for themselves. >> Right. Right. And then the other my other comment is >> um and I I thought I had mentioned this before, but I'll if I either way I'll say it again now. You know, I do have a concern about um paying a fee to the Sha

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Tree Commission in lie of replanting because I think that and I've not been on the commission all that long and somebody can correct me. I mean obviously it's it's better than nothing if the fees go into the shade tree commission but then there's always a lag and there's a limitation on where the

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shade tree commission can do the replanting >> right versus having >> private homeowner you know required to do the replanting themselves. So, I I'm going to look at that and and and

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suggest a recommendation to um incentivize a replanting by the by the homeowner above getting the feed the fees paid to the shade tree commission because I think having the replanting done by the homeowner is the more expeditious route to actually getting a tree in the

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ground. >> It is because then Yeah. >> Um I agree, Neil. And I think like the other thing that um that we are asked Christiey's asking about is um with the funds that we collect, is it possible

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for us to set up a tree replacement program where a resident can request a tree and we can plant it on their pro on their private property with these funds. And there's language in the ordinance about um when this when this uh trust

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was created that it went on public property. And so is there a way that either if we planted in the right of way does that could we do it on someone's property if we planted in the right way because that's technically public property or is there a way that we can

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maybe amend that in order to create a a planting a planting plan where somebody can request a tree. They do the savannah spawn where you can go in and say I want a tree on my property and the shade tree goes to the property and picks the tree.

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So that's kind of like the hook like we decide right tree right location and be native with whatever it is like yes we'd be happy to pay for this tree on your property. It is your responsibility to take care of but you could pick tree tree you know tree A or tree B and those

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are your options. So, I would like to see us get to a point where we could do that as well. Um, but we just need some clarity on if that would be allowed the way the ordinance is written right now. So, that kind of also goes along with,

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you know, um, >> it would be a faster way to get some trees in the ground. >> I also wonder like neighbors of people who are then losing a tree next to them who were, you know, did have blockage or did have >> Yeah. >> Wait, I have one question though. Um,

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one or not question, thought, one thing we might want to look at is like the actual heat maps of Fair Haven, too, to identify areas that might be good to put maybe some street trees in or areas that are pretty high in the heat map. >> Yes. Yeah, that's been a discussion

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point as well, too. Great. Yeah. Um, okay. So, I think um I think we I think we're done here. Um I had one thing that's not um on the agenda that I wanted to bring up. Um we

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have a request from um Chris York to um reimburse uh DPW member um Bo I don't have my email in front of me. I'm sorry. um that recently

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um studied and took the test to become a um what is his title? >> Tree certified tree. >> Certified tree expert. All right. Arborist. >> Arborist. Not Yeah. So the amount is 5

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and I'm sorry >> 75. Yeah. I I I did have I just left this somewhere. Um >> can you look up what that exact number is? So there there was a request for us for the shade tree to reimburse him for his tuition and his materials in order

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to become um an arborist um and have that on staff. I mean, I think that the this is advantageous for obviously the town um also advantageous for us in grant writing um to say that we have an

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arborist on staff um that would that is looking out for trees and um has that expertise. So, I am in favor of um of reimbursing um B for the for his expenses on this. But if we could just

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>> Is that a motion chair? >> Um I just want to have the exact number so we're officially official. >> The ask is for uh $5926 to use shade free trust funds to

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reimburse for his exam and books. Yes. So that is a that is a motion second. Okay. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. [laughter] >> And he did this on his own. I just want to say like that was great that he did

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that. I even knew he was doing it. So, and maybe there's a way to tie him into the ordinance. >> Yes. >> Or or did the watering? Can we get B in charge [laughter] of the watering? >> That would be great. >> Yes.

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>> Um, okay. Fantastic. The only other thing that I want to say really quickly is that I I know last time we talked about um that canopy um grant and we did apply for it. We got it in on time and we should hear back by August.

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>> Good job. >> Good job. >> That [laughter] was a lot. >> Last minute. >> Yeah, it was. >> Um okay. So, >> are there any other grants around the corner? >> I don't know. [laughter] >> Can we feel free to look? Yeah, I was

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just gonna say hi. I don't even know how you would look. What where would which one look for a brand chat? >> Um this this one like if you sign up for um the emails from the community forestry

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like the New Jersey DP like they kind of come across your email like that's I haven't done a lot of digging in and and searching for them. These apologist just have been like when I actually read an email I

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noticed. >> Yeah. I think that was from the She Treat Federation, right? >> Yeah, that's the other one. Yeah. >> Well, everybody should be on that. Um >> but we I registered everyone's emails

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because we're paying for She Federation. So if you're not >> Shade Street Federation, >> yeah, there's two and then NG. Yeah, I can included some followup. Okay. I don't know. Um Okay. And then Michael,

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>> um so I don't have a ton. The only thing I wonder when after this um he Stephen presents, we just have to make a vote on whether um I guess if you approve it, but then also write a letter of recommendation so that then we can get

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moving on this plan. So just put that on your radar as something that after um he presents that would be the next step because it still then needs to be presented back to the council to approve to move forward with the bicesentennial landscape plan. Um the only thing I was I was going to mention bow which is

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great and then also just an update on the um notweed at Marter there's they're continue to do spray treatments. They dug out a lot of it and they're spraying where they can. Apparently, I mentioned this at I kind of yelled at natural area. Apparently,

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it's too different. It's not all notweed. It's some other non-invasive like non invasive I guess. Um but just I don't know. We're still not paying them until it's all done. >> Yeah, it's pretty >> I know. I mean, honestly, I'm frustrated

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so I like I don't have much else to >> say about that. >> Concentrated in that one area. >> Yes. like right in front. >> Yeah. Like where like where it was going down the street that seems to have been >> I do know some of the actual owners of houses there though have taken it upon

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themselves to dig it out to so I don't know if that's what you're seeing but I do know that they so maybe >> um but yeah other than that I mean we're I know you're not it's not Shade Tree but 21 Fair Haven Road. We're working with Stevens on a plant Stevens. Yes,

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Stevens on a um a concept plan for a mix of as much natural um oh my gosh, what's called >> living? >> Living shoreline uh and you know as much of that as possible. So, we're kind of waiting to hear that and we have another meeting I

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think coming up soon. So, >> who arranged that? That was just such a brilliant idea to go out and talk to them. Well, we've been trying, I think, for a while. Um, but they didn't have funding, so they weren't really kind of open to talking, but now they were getting funding. So, that was when we started. I think it was Push York who really initiated that. So, yeah, I'm glad we're doing it.

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>> Um, and I know everyone on the council's kind of on board with as much living shoreline and as much natural as possible. So, I feel good about that. >> Okay, >> that's better for now. >> That's [laughter] welcome. >> Welcome. you I have a larger version but I guess you all have

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>> Do you have this too? >> No. >> I'm just gonna run. I have heard of this ready. So I will be right back. >> So we should look at it that way. >> Got it. >> So you want to just like give us a quick

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>> So yes. So uh uh I'm Steven Cro. I'm a licensed landscape architect in New Jersey and six other states as well. Um and a resident of your fair community. So I salute your dedication to the tree canopy u in my

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line of work. So um let's see. So, uh, I'm here, uh, more or less on behalf of the historic association that has spearheaded the, um, renovation and improvement, uh, by Centennial Hall. And, um, in connection with the

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architectural work that's being done, uh, um, roof, paint, windows, you know, the usual array of of things on 100-y old buildings. uh uh there is interest in um improving the uh the landscape uh

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as well. And so um my contribution here is uh to collaborate with the historic association um that does a fabulous job by the way. They're a real resource a resource for the burough. Um and so the

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the plan that you're looking at is is my illustration of my my interpretation of uh my own thoughts and the association's thought for for how um they would like the site to be improved. And um uh the overriding concern here of course is

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that as you know it's the oldest religious structure left on the peninsula. uh even though it's not obviously serving religious uh there aren't religious services being held there any longer. And so uh from my perspective and I work on a lot of of

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historic properties. Um the um the biggest concern I have with a structure like this from the landscape standpoint is not turning it into a suburban landscape with little foundation plantings wrapping. You know, so the knee-jerk reaction is just to come and put some spinach around the building or

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whatnot. In this case, you know what um uh my intention with anything like this is to really uh to the extent that um that you can acknowledge the history and the in this case the sort of the religious history of the structure. Uh

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we really wanted to the building to present itself to the road with a certain degree of gravitas I guess for lack of a better term. It's not St. Paul's Cathedral in London, you know, it's not the Vatican. Um, but it's a pretty, if you look at it, it's a it's

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an interesting building. I mean, it's a little quirky and whatnot, but any So, the idea with this was that um uh and I understand that some of the neighborhood kids used to call it like the spooky church or something [laughter] um uh uh for various reasons. So what so

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the idea with this plan was that uh the hope was that it's the face that you would see from Cedar Avenue would look like something that it's not grand but it should look like we thought about it as a special place and we're maintaining

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it as a special place and um and also just when you approach the building um and what what you see there the walk the brick most of the brick walkways and whatnot are are existing already. Um the idea was to um to ensure that there was a sense of almost pro procession, you

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know, going to the front door, even though again it's not a grand structure. Um and so the plantings you see around that square there are just some little low evergreens. And my understanding is that the garden club might be willing to plant some perennials or something just

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just to add a a little bit of ornament I guess for lack of a better term without going overboard or keeping more maintenance you know requirements on the DPW um etc. So the idea was that that from the from the face of the building to the street that um that it would be a

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simple somewhat dignified um simple to maintain um landscape um and um uh and and the the balance of the the the improvements um uh relate both to the idea that um if the site if the site the

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property itself could be used for other purposes, if there were uh the need to put up a tent, let's say, um on the right side of the building, um that the the lawn area there, you know, would would would be would be maintained. And

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in fact, um um with uh this plan both on on both the the southern uh property line and the northern, uh the expectation here is we would actually be pushing some of the bed lines back. uh because over the years, as is always the case with things like this, the the the

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IV and things begin to intrude, you know, into the site. And so so we're basically pushing things back, opening it up, um making it as airy um as we can. Um and um uh uh um and in fact I

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guess it's not doesn't fall under your jurisdiction but um uh the plan in the the upper right hand corner shows u the possibility of adding a paved uh terrace. There's a lot of lost real estate back there. The the grade kind of falls away from the building um in that

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corner and actually even more precipitously in the the upper left corner. Um so uh so the idea was to to the extent that there could be some additional sort of functional aspects to the site um without adding a lot a lot of maintenance. Um but in the context of

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your commission um one of the drawbacks to the site is that the um the north the south perimeter and and the east um is currently populated by a mix of dead and dying Norway maples and locust trees. Um

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um and I would I didn't count them, but but there are certainly um at least a dozen trees that are borderline. You were talking earlier about hazardous trees. There are a few literally dead trees that are leaning on other trees.

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um in various places. Um um there was a I don't know if it's there any longer, but in the upper leftand corner of the of the property in one of the storms we had this uh this spring, there was a dogwood that was literally leaning on the neighboring um uh building.

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[laughter] Um uh so anyway, the reason for bringing this up is that the question going forward um again in the context of of your jurisdiction is the fact that so we have these these at least a dozen and maybe more dead and dying trees that

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really should come out um and customarily on projects that I'm involved with when you have this sort of mix of trees um I can go around and put a ribbon on the trees that I know are are Um but the reality is that the best way

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to do this this type of work is to do identify the things that you know really need to to come down as a phase one and then stand back and look at the resulting canopy. Um because again relative to what you were just discussing previously there may be trees

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that right now look sort of misshapen or whatever but if the dead one comes out next to it with a little bit of pruning you could save the tree. Um so um uh the reason we're mentioning all this is that that um uh you have your and maybe it's changed relative to what you were

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talking about a moment ago but but that the the tree removal and mitigation plan that that I would presumably do for for ordinarily do for a site like this where we would we would identify all the trees. We would have an exact schedule. Here's what's coming down. Here's what's

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being planted as mitigation. Here we have a little of a conundrum because it's going to be difficult uh to identify all of this this tree work um uh on day one. It it's almost as if it has to be has to be or it would be

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safest for the trees if we did it in a phased manner rather than trying to um uh to identify everything right at the beginning. So in terms of how you all approve things, it's a yeah a little bit of a conundrum, but we obviously want to

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go through this process in a manner that um uh maintains as many of the existing trees as we can. Um there are um there are a few uh junipers on the northern um and actually a big a big holly. Uh there are actually two holl uh growing right

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in front of the building right now which are kind of unfortunate because you look at the building and you're trying to look at the building and there's two two holly trees. So this plan is actually suggesting transplanting those holl to the northern property line because we have a a little vista of the commercial

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building um next door. Um uh there's some junipers as well along the eastern property line etc. Um and uh the historic association also um would without getting overly sort of

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territorial or whatever um we want to both be friendly to the neighbors and uh in terms because we obviously have residential properties on um on the east and to the and to the south. So the plan indicates in a generic fashion some evergreen trees that that possibly could

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could get added and um I believe there there was there's interest in once we have a plan that we're comfortable with going to the neighbors and explaining what what's happening. So um because as you know we start removing things and the picture changes and um we can all

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get a little anxious about that. Um, so, um, uh, so, so it's a a bit of a of a a little ballet that has a choreography that has to go on here with regard to the trees. So, I don't know if you've had instances like this where it wasn't

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entirely clear um, uh, what and in what order things would be removed or or replaced. Um uh but um I guess the final thing I would say is because of the the nature of the site and the fact that again we have this precipitous uh

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terrain um uh when we take some things down there there are not that many opportunities for putting things uh at least big trees back. Um in fact it might be counterproductive to do that if we're trying to save a lot of of the better trees as well. we don't want to

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take some things down and then put too many back that then compromises the trees that we want to have sort of mature. Um so even from that standpoint at this point without the removals being done um I can do a generic landscape

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plan but it would be bit of an improvisation when when the time comes uh to do the work. So um uh and I think I mean myself and the associate we'd obviously be happy to come back to you all in whatever you know fashion or or

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whatever protocol is seems uh appropriate uh to you. Obviously the intention here is is not to have a logging operation um or anything and and and in the end um the expectation is that um this is not a pure

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beautifification project. is more trying to respect the building, make the site as useful as possible for uh anyone making use of the of the building, respecting the the neighbors and and not opening them up to views that are unpleasant um for them and and hopefully

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add trees and and and plants back that will uh mature and um um and uh u make make the site something that that is almost parklike. Um in fact the the plan in a few places um you'll see there were

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some benches indicated the idea was um that uh that this should be a place where I mean any resident should be able to just come and I mean we even have a bike rack you know you could come and just and and just sit if if you wanted to and um I mean it could be a uh it's

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not an official religious structure but it it can be offer you know a sort of a a meditative kind quiet sort of landscape, which is what um what we're attempting to uh uh to achieve. >> I was going to say when before you said

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it, I was like, it does look like a park. I think it looks beautiful. >> Um so I I guess what you need from us is just the the okay with the idea that there's going to be tree removals based on dead and dying trees in order to kind

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of move forward with a plan for this space. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I mean, I'm okay with that. vote. >> I mean, do you need us to vote? Do we need to vote on this? >> No, >> I mean, if you want the letter, I think you should. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. So, um I would

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propose that we uh approve the removal of the dead and dying hazard trees to move forward with the plan at by Centennial Hall, the landscape plan by Centennial Hall. >> Second. >> Second. Hi.

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>> Hi. >> All right. >> Great. >> And I I want to say thank you because I don't know I went upstairs but you know he's doing this proono like >> I know. >> Yeah. So very amazing. I mean I and I love the approach you're taking and I

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kind of wish that was the approach we're taking sort of in general >> and it really does tie back to kind of like the tree ordinance and everything. So thank you. It's uh and I didn't mention that everything that goes back in here it will be native plants. I mean

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that is yeah no no Bradford Parish show up. So um no it's really an exciting I mean it's sort of thing I um I get paid a lot of money to do this for other people. I can certainly and and I've been working around the county for 30 years. So uh it's it's been my pleasure

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work on it. >> Uh right now I'm on Riverlong. Okay, great. >> Michael, I have your digits. >> Pardon me. >> I can find them. >> I can get I can get >> you. Yeah. >> Great. >> All right. Thank you so much. Bye,

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>> buddy. >> Thank you, Stephen. >> All right. Um, so do you have anything else? Um one last thing I did think of um I know we you know with the environmental commission um roundt there was a lot of talk about getting things done and if

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we're think you know through DPW and having a centralized sort of system. So one thing that we are going to do is um any requests that you have just make sure that you send them to Chris directly and he will be sort of that central person and then I will um get

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updates sort of monthly from Nick with any requests that were made. So when I come to these meetings, I'll be able to give updates. So >> um any proposed new agenda items um for September for September?

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>> Oh, nice. >> I guess you said the planting tree plans, which >> well that's still >> still there, I guess. Yeah. >> Um >> Jill, does the resident tree buying go back on there for the fall? Oh, >> that will be that'll we can put that on

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there, but that is going to have to start before September >> like August. >> Yeah. So, we can put that back on there. Um >> Okay. >> Um do you want to say anything about the

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um the Shri Federation conference coming up in October? If anybody wants to get their um >> Why don't you say >> why don't you say >> I can send it around and uh registration

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is due by September 25th. So >> what is it? the New Jersey Shade Treaty October >> 22nd 23rd >> in At this year. >> Is it certification [clears throat]

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for something or just >> Yes, you can get certified. Um, this is what Jill spoke at one year. Did a really good job on this resident treebine program. >> It's it's wonderful. I mean, I've attended every year. It's just it's a really you learn a lot. You meet a lot

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of people. >> I think Mark the Instagram is >> I feel like this is up your alley. >> Where is it? >> Terry Hill. >> Terry Hill. >> Send you the info. Um the burrow is a member of the New Jersey Sha Tree Federation. So you would get member

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pricing. Um each member per day is $225. >> So um and you currently have Oh, you only have $29 left in your training budget, but you have money in other line items that

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Yeah. Okay. So, decide if you want if anybody has interest by September >> 1st so that we could approve [laughter] purchase orders and stuff. >> This will go on our own time too, right? >> Yeah, of course. But we have

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a shade. Let's get to USA. Sorry. [laughter] >> Um, okay. Any public comments? >> I only [laughter] can we get a motion to >> Okay, don't forget to send your pictures

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in of the big trees to Leah. >> Bonnie, I got um approval from the first one I sent you across the street. So, you guys can use that picture. >> Okay. Send it to Leah. >> Yes. >> All right. So a motion to adjourn. >> Motion. >> Second.

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>> Second. >> Discussion. >> No discussion. >> Go USA. >> Go. >> All right. >> Ajourn USA. Started eight. >> Did you see the um Belgium game? >> No. I don't even know how to