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um we do the roll call please. Leah Beani absent. Neil Blacker >> here. Peter Datti here. >> Mike D'Angelo here. >> Daryl Balden. Mark Wilson.
Becky Pleet, Jill Sullivan >> here, >> Bonnie Torivia >> here, Councilwoman Deelli is not here. Also present for Secretary Larson. You have a quorum. Great. We stand for the pledge
of allegiance, please. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Before we get to business, um we want to
welcome uh the winners of the Arbor Day poster contest. Thank you for coming to our meeting. Um, and we just would like you to come up and um, take a picture with your poster and
with maybe some of our members and together and we'll give you um, your gift card to do you know where you're getting a gift card from. Don't worry, it's good to Nicholas crearyy. And um and then if you'd like to stay and see
how the shade tree commission works, you call us. If not, um of course you could leave and get ready for the next game. Some of our other members to get ready. >> So um so congratulations to Hugh
Connelly and Alex >> and Abby Augustine. You guys seem really good. >> The tree. >> What grade are you in?
>> Fantastic. Love that. We love how you're protecting your tree there. >> Thank you. >> From the back. Sure. and Hugh, that's awesome. I'm going to love your guide. The tree relaxing. And then this
um Alice, we spent a lot of time reading this. So, this is amazing. We love how you say that if we help the trees, they're going to help us. That makes awesome. >> There you go. Congratulations. So, a picture. That's great. Here, flags behind you. You want to get in. Does
anyone else want to get in? >> I'll get in. Hold up your Hold up your um >> Lson get wine. >> Oh, sure. >> That's my favorite stuff. >> Where you want me
to hold one second? >> Do one. This will be for the for the burrow. So, I have one left. Got >> a good one for the good to be ordered. Fantastic. Great job. Good job. Very tell your eyes. >> Um and Nora Rem, her mom called me and
said she was sorry she couldn't make it, >> but she was excited. So I can um probably take it to pick it up at real. Michael email that picture to me too at the end.
>> We have Susan. >> All right. So, um if Where are we? Okay. Approval of the prior meeting minutes. Did everyone have a chance to peruse those? So, can I get a motion to approve them?
>> Motion to approve prior minutes. Second. >> Fantastic. It's approved. All right. Um project updates. Uh we consolidated consolidated the agenda a little bit again. So, we would have time to talk about the ordinance. So, um we'll try to
move through the other things as quickly as possible. Um tree plantings, the um the memorial tree planting program. This has been something that we've talked about on and off um several times over
the past year or so. um brought to the attention that we had another request um in at the end of May for somebody that was looking to purchase a tree um in memory of their mother, I believe. Um so
I'm I would like to talk about whether or not this is something that um the commission thinks that we should pursue and if so, I'm looking for someone to take the lead on this. Um, which which I think that means is um
researching what the requirements would be from from the bureaus on if you wanted to put some signage with these. Um, pricing that out. Um and then I could definitely
assist with you know the um the coordination with Fernbrook in terms of like if we wanted to partner with them in order to have the memorial trees like kind of like a separate ongoing thing like a proposal of timeline like how it will work. Um I can't do this so I need
someone else to do it. >> Well I can I ask a question real quick first. Um so I mean they're kind of we already kind of did this in Third Street Trail but it was sort of unofficial. So, um I guess we should probably just ask. I mean, it might have to go in front of the council to actually get approval
first, but if you want to find you want to find all the information, >> I think we need to go ahead. We need to have some information about how we would want to >> Yeah. Like what >> in order for it to be, you know, >> and where would the trees go? Just anywhere. >> That's a I mean, that's I think this is
part of what we need to figure out. I mean to me I think if >> like the easiest way to do this would be to do it in something like the rooster street or in the um natural area or
>> something like that but I mean I I'm that would just be my thought but I'm not that >> yeah the question so this just came up with the naparity meeting last week that somebody wanted to do a memorial plaque
of some sort for trade and they kind of thought well we really shouldn't have plaques even though there are some there's dairies ponds I mean there are some plaques to people that were very involved with the national area but I don't think they want memorial trees they don't mind people plant memorial
trees but I don't think they want you know things hanging all over flags in the ground so I don't know >> that but we could but I mean trees they would take tree donations but I just don't know how we do the >> yeah they actually guess >> that's right and that's I I get that.
So, um, but this is what I'm talking about. Like I I need I need someone else to run with this. >> I'll I'll I'll volunteer. We'll just talk offline about it so I can get more details because I missed the last thing so we discuss it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We we have done this. We have
Michael's mother. We have we have a bunch on Third Street. >> Oh, it makes me very happy. >> Yeah. And people put their little stools around it and um there were very temporary signs. Yeah. Um, that might be something to talk about though, like, >> right, I think that if if we were going
to go out with this, I would I would assume that we would want to, especially since signage has been a hot topic, we would want to, um, >> you know, make sure that we weren't going to want it in a situation where we put something on so much trade that was being down.
>> So, um, but we could talk. Thank you. So we could talk about that probably and then um you know it I mean there is the route to go like with black and without black too and maybe we could offer both and somebody that just wants to plant a tree has like a personal like preference
like >> that's you know one route maybe there's one price associated with that and then >> obviously putting a plaque plaques are expensive so but I mean there are little things you know in trees and I think it's nice to even identify the species so people can say oh this is a really pretty What is it? And then you say a
memory plant in memory of >> I mean just it doesn't have to be a big thing on the ground. >> No, it doesn't. But someone needs to research that. It needs to be approved. >> Come up with something. >> I do feel I do feel strongly that somebody's buying a memorial tree. We're not going to tell them what they're saying. They're black like you know like
that. See, but that's where you might get honestly like that's where you might get stuffed up because >> some people put great faith. There are very there's been a lot of topics at the council level about what specific contents on there and so it's probably my your best bet is probably like the
basic in memory of person because we would they wouldn't even let or we I guess technically but I didn't agree with this but having even what the project like the able scale project was about very basic information that ended up being allowed. So, I'm just throwing
that out there. You could >> just know that going in. >> Well, whatever. Like, yeah, I mean I I >> And the water issue is always going to be an issue. Who's water? >> Well, that could be part of you know, >> yeah, >> that be part of the deal. I knew that there would need to be some sort of
agreement that >> you come to with the resident or member. >> Um, >> so that's part of the deal like you have to water, >> right? It would also be, you know, we we could easily look at how other counts do
this. Um, thank you. Okay, so moving on. Um, the 250th anniversary project. Um, signs are here. You look good. >> Nice.
>> Good. Le's online. And >> I'm gonna hold up, you can come. >> So, Michael, we remember Michael had a a bunting that she um
>> you I gave her to test out. >> Yeah. >> But it looked like a tree skirt. It was not four trees. So, wait. Put this. I just was going to put it in front of everybody so they can kind of see what we were going to do. And this is 20 ft long. >> Wow. So, >> that's great. That is
>> And it's, you know, synthetic, so it's not going to be wet and heavy. Um, we've tried it on a couple trees. I mean, the idea was just like I just tried to uh put a one on Kelly Fling tree on Thirst Street and tied a little bow in the back. Um,
>> camera. Sorry. >> What? >> The camera. >> Oh. Oh, the camera was a thousand behind me. >> I'm going to see the comments. >> She does. >> I already know what the banner looks like. >> She ordered them. Yeah. So, anyway. So,
okay. And we wrap it around and you know, we're thinking like for anybody that's going to help hang one like high enough so that people can see from the street. And um then we'll have this sign with this QR
code. once we get that up and running. Um, and when I was putting Kelly's I have a picture, she had and her neighbors all the kids around the tree. I was thinking that we could take the photos of the people by their trees and then Leah could post them.
>> They really were cute. And maybe we'll get if in the Carter get um >> Marilyn Schwarz maybe hugging the tree or or somebody I don't know how we want to do. We get the whole school out there doing it but um >> I don't know. >> Yeah. So what so so what are the
outstanding issues here? I know that there was the one approval from Hang on the >> theos. Yes. And I we kind of replaced I was hoping Daryl was going to be because he wouldn't respond to my email um because
we were thinking that we were going to replace the tree that he was assigned to ask permission for. Um so I told him not to get permission but he never got back to me. So I don't know who did >> but we have to replace the tree. Yeah. Yeah. >> And Mark wanted to add one. Sorry. Um
wanted to add one in the natural area. >> Um so can we share um little tree right up? Can we put it out there people? >> So that's why the burrow doesn't have it yet. We're waiting for those last two changes. Is that like the >> Yeah, we were
>> Well, we had to vote on it. We had to have a committee. >> Yeah. So, so do we how can we how do we get that to you? >> Trying to string. >> No, it's trying. You buy us more time. >> We have something at home.
>> Yeah, we really do a day. >> Yeah. No, we're It's really just a question that I was getting for one family for two. It's just really the cardiologist, right? Because go out, right? >> There it is. There's the site. >> Okay. Yeah. So, when they >> click on it, it goes here. Yeah. This
particular phone goes to the right place to this >> and yes. So we both >> can you see that from the street? >> No, this is the what do you mean >> that tree? Can that tree be >> So this is So let me go tell you about this tree and I I welcome any
suggestions. This is 15 ants. >> So um >> the driveway is go back. Yeah. So, it comes down. So, you walk in the property and you can look to the left and see the tree. Um, I had tried to I suggested to
Joe that he open a little spot like pull some vines out and open a viewing spot by the side of it because he didn't want to do that. So, he wanted privacy even though it was just a vine back. But his problem is he said, "I have two dogs. They're kept in the backyard but once in
a while they escape." He said, "Should we put a beware of dog sign on the yard?" But I'm like, so I'm trying to decide how to like that's not exactly well for me to look at the tree. But >> well, I mean, but if Hans is I mean it's like Hans is right.
>> Yeah. >> You're coming down here. >> Yeah. You're standing this way and you take a right, you probably have to go about 10 yards and you'd be here. >> Yeah. Not even less than 10 yards. But he I don't think he wants people walking up to the tree.
>> So why wouldn't we put the the yard sign at the end of his driveway and people will be able to see the bunting around the tree? I mean they're just >> Do we need to do Do we need to put beware of dogs? Our lawyer we need to if
there are the >> That's for That's for >> They're doodles. They're not like attack. They're little doodles. But >> they're kittens. Well, so I just I just he suggested that and I said, "Um, well, maybe I could put a
>> I mean, if he's suggesting that he would do it." >> Okay. All right. So, let him go ahead and put it right. >> Okay. >> And then we'll put this on there. So, >> so see see the there's a little write up on each that we put together. I don't
know whether people want to read them or I don't know. >> This go back up to the number three >> for that one. How about who wants to cut it down? >> Yeah. So, what did I what did I what did I write about that? Go up a little bit. Um
>> Oh, I just Oh. Oh, I was trying to make >> I was trying. Yes, it is. But I was trying to make the >> So that's But he he loves when I send him the site. He just love Oh. Oh, okay.
>> This is what we're trying to do. the one that we just are waiting on approval from cuz um this one on hands. >> Uh >> is that right away too? >> Yeah, it looks very close. >> Oh, is it okay? >> It looks very close. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. the democratic. >> So I mean do do you want to read what's written because if anybody wants to adjust like I want to be surprised >> that picture I was doing surprised >> it's right on the burough website.
>> Okay I just like while we were here I wanted to get a little bit a while >> it's right here. >> So it is there already. >> Oh it is Oh okay. I wonder if we could put it into that that um photo scroll
that she has. >> We pro we probably could make it a little more prominent or something that visual and have them click through it. Yeah. >> Do you think you could So what they're thinking is maybe have this picture if you want to send Betty whoever. Leah, do you have I have it?
>> You have it? I have it. >> So maybe just ask her to put that and then have it click through to the big tree also. >> QR code stuff they were working on. I don't. So, let's discuss the lime material. Send us a cell if you buy any of these trees and we'll send you a coupon for
>> Yeah. What is that? That was I >> I would think that that was a moment of uh >> and also we probably shouldn't have it in. >> Finally, if you know of any big trees you might have missed. See, I I want to edit this a little bit because >> we can edit this
>> this because what I would say >> these trees aren't necessarily all over 250 years old. They are old. They are special. And what I wrote up that you refused to put up there is that >> refus. I know. I know.
>> Very successful. >> But I know you're so successful. But um it says that this is a combination of the private trees that are on the big tree hunt website. So they've been recognized plus some of the oldest trees in town. Because I don't want anybody to
be offended and say, "But wait a minute, my trees, you know," and I'm sure that people will feel left out. But I to that point I love that point because there is a council member that I sent this to and came back and said, "Well, wait a minute. I got a tree."
>> You know what I was wondering? Should we like for anybody else with the great big tree like a little flag or something they can put in? I I don't know. >> I think we're getting >> focus. That's a great idea. Maybe we could focus on those trees in the future. But
now I but it raised the awareness. >> But so that introduction I do want to modify to explain that these are just old special you know trees plus these privatelyowned trees. So it's a condo.
>> And just check where some of them are cropped. Some of those pictures looks like some of them are cropped for some reason. >> They could be. I you know I I'm not so uh techsavvy. >> What do you mean? So you'll see like these ones go all the way down, but then some of them >> there was one that I
>> It's very hard to fit these trees in a photo. So that one's messed up. I think there's a second. >> Oh, that >> that's the >> Yeah, I don't know if that's So >> like that one too. Is that how it was? >> Is that one meant to be? >> I don't see the base.
>> Yeah, I can tough. I'm telling you, it's it's really hard, Michael. Try it again. >> And I wanted it to look special and across from my house. >> And then we thought we should definitely um >> we threw the bonus tree in there.
>> Recognize the bsentennial tree. >> Yeah. >> That's great. Love it. >> Fantastic. >> Approve. Let's move. >> There we go. >> Check. >> Moving on. >> Okay. So, we just need that one approval. And it looks like the wisest tree needs to get put in there, right?
>> It's in there. This that's one that's cropped too much. >> Yeah. It's in there. Okay. So, um >> that was the one. Yeah, >> that was the one you shave. Yeah, we also, you know, tried to like the white is a lynen so we have a lot of black oaks in there. So, it was nice to kind
of have to trees and something else. So, trying to >> and just the timing for getting the bunting actually up. >> Well, so the one bunting on Third Street on the Bagan house is on there now. She she said asked if she could have it
there for the uh transition on it's on Friday. >> Um is that okay? If we get the QR code, we have to get this QR code fixed and get it there. >> Do you need help with the QR code? >> Well, I Yeah, I don't Can you scan that
right now and make sure QR code on >> it expired? >> You get a free QR code. So, we whoever did I don't know where the QR code came from. >> If you go on, >> it's saying it's the the QR code that's on there is saying that our free our free u trial has ended. So, I don't know
if we just like pay to activate it again and because it's on all the signs. Otherwise, we we can print stickers and that's what Betty comes to worse. We'll cover it with a sticker. >> So, wait. So, you did it through like a company like just like a not tiny URL
but like one of those things. So, >> uh, >> code >> can't like >> hold on, I got to find the if you use just be careful where you get to create QR codes because there's a lot of places I >> what
>> that expires. So, can I just for >> right now we have Leo Mark Jill my I am not a QR code person. That's not my my thing. Who is going to do this and get
this QR code activated? >> Well, who just Who got that QR code? Was that Betty? >> Betty. Betty did that. >> Betty. No, I'll just pay for it. We're not going to print out another QR code. >> How much is it? >> Got to be five or 10 bucks a month.
We'll do it for two or three months. >> It's probably better because you're not% >> then. Yeah. So, then we can just cancel it. Yeah. Okay. >> No, you're not canceling anything. >> No, keep it. What is pay for? >> I'll pay for it. >> Oh, okay. >> I'll split it when Peter and I will then
sue you. >> Don't touch it. Yeah, just leave it. Just >> we should pay the money so it stays. That works. >> Okay. So, >> so it came from Betty, not you from that. >> Yeah, Betty. Uh, Betty, that's the one that came through in the email in that
group email. >> And so it I applied it to the to the image. We'll make sure she doesn't use that again, though. >> Yeah. No. And it's tricky because there's some Yeah. >> There's some websites where you used to
be able to create a QR code that they were permanent that are now not, >> right? >> So, like they they recently changed like in the past six months. >> So, that's probably a very innocent mistake. >> I know that anything.
>> But um yeah, it's quite annoying. >> Can we do that tomorrow? Yes. >> Sorry to be like that, but I just wanted to give it to Kelly so that she could have it there. She's having a huge crowd in her yard and so I just thought it would be nice. >> Well, we have to have the approval. We
have to have approval of this tree or it needs to come off the website until we get approval because we can't send people to like a resident's yard that hasn't said it's okay. >> Well, we can just take it down. >> Yeah, I said we just need someone to Does anybody here know this person? I
mean, I just texted her earlier. >> Um, the cardiello. >> Yeah, >> they're the ones against the >> Yeah, >> I text I texted her earlier today and then I was laughing because last time I texted her was in 2018.
>> So, relationship is like, you know, >> every every other chat we've been on somebody else. >> No. >> Oh, no. That girl. Oh, the >> Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like we're graduating 8th grade. >> So,
>> and my daughter just graduated college. >> Anyway, moving on. Okay. So, >> congratulations. >> That That's So, that's great. So, we're just waiting on that and we're good to go. Do you need a team of people to help you with this? >> Um, I think what we'll do is so Betty is
going to put a number of the tree on each one of these. She doesn't number them. >> I think that's crazy. >> Do you think that's I don't know. >> I don't think we need There's none of them >> in my opinion. >> Well, the way the >> Yeah, the way the goes, you have to kind
of you it the trees are numbered. So, you want it doesn't each take you to that specific number. It just gives you a site. So, you want to >> maybe scroll to figure out what tree you're >> if you want to say I got number one, number two, number five, and then you want to make sure you got all the trees.
I don't know. That's >> what she said. I mean, yeah, >> I seem to think it was pretty easy, >> make the stickers. >> If you if you know where you are >> and you have the map, then you know what tree you have, right? >> Like what I said, right? Yeah,
>> that's fine. Make sure to look at the map. >> Yep. You have smart people. >> Everybody, >> well, I'm not saying what to do. I just think if it's extra work, I I I don't know if the number is >> I mean, I don't think it's a big deal to put a number on them if she's willing to
do it, but I don't think it should stop us from >> from getting it out there. >> You can always slap a sticker on later, too, if we wantize getting it on there, you know? >> Yes. Slap it right there. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. So, we So, again, back to the
bunting. Do you How is this getting up there? or do you need help? >> Um, well, I mean, I thought that you I know that Neil wants to go give to his tree, so everybody can, you know, if you want you want to do >> I'll do it for my neighbor. >> Yeah. Um, they finally just got on the big tree website.
>> Just got this morning. I got the email >> from January. So, um, so if you want to do your neighbor, like I can drop these off to people with once with all these once they're done. And >> I'm happy to take the couple,
>> not the one with the I live right by >> Barney and Dave. Yes. And um >> you got to show me how do we fasten the bunting. >> Oh, yeah. See, that's the thing. Yeah. I mean, it takes two people. >> It does. Somebody dead. Um
>> it takes two people. It really does. >> Two people, >> I think, because one person stands back and is like, "No, break it up a little bit. Put it up more." Like it's better with two people. Um, I think although I mean it's not gonna I mean it could just take longer with
>> I am happy to but my husband helped me do the one I >> was like I think other we could team up if if you know >> if people want to >> who who wants to hang the bunting and you wants to hang the bunting >> I want >> Okay. Everybody wants to hang bunting.
Okay. So >> you'll coordinate with all of us. >> Yeah. >> So just drop off the bunting. I mean, I have three able body kids >> and a sign. >> Yep. >> All right. Fantastic. All right. Let's go. Let's move on then. All right. Um,
tree protection. Uh, Daryl's not here, so we'll skip over the waterm um plan. Um, with that said, right before we skip over completely, um, Kevin from, um, Fernbrook was here with the planting for
the resident tree buying program. He looked at the tool trees in the community center. Four of them are definitely dead. Um, and he is he is not 100% sure why they died, but he thinks
it could be because of lack watering. >> When were those planted? >> Last in the fall, >> right? Or was it last spring? No, fall. Yeah. Um, >> so, uh, if everybody agrees, we will, I
mean, they're under the guarantee, so they can be replaced. Um, if everybody agrees that we would like to try again, start again. >> Um, >> but don't start again until the fall.
>> The only way you can put them now is if that trees are going to have water. >> Yeah. volatile. >> Yeah, but if Daryl can still have that, that's okay. So, we'll >> 30 or 40 gallons a week or 12 weeks.
That's a lot. >> Okay. Um he was going to work on like those specific requirements like what a tree actually needs if you recall. Yeah. Um so, you know, hopefully hopefully we'll keep connect with him or has to be a meeting. Um okay. Is there a deadline
in front of when they could tell us on can they plan now or it's a year so I think we should just need to we need to tell them that we want them replaced right and that we are willing to wait till the fall we would prefer >> one year guarantee they've done for
others >> like they've replaced other residential trees who died with >> them even if it's lack of water >> I'm not complaining about it There's no >> I mean I think that he's he's sus that's what he suspects but he can't
>> prove it so. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> How many be plant? >> Five. >> Five. Four died. >> Okay. Not great odds. Okay. >> Well, the fifth one near the other ones.
>> Yeah, they're all weird. That he did okay. That one did okay. >> True. >> Survivor. Yeah. >> Um, okay. So, the stewardship grant that we talked about last time, that was kind
of like fast. Um, we took it to council. They approved us applying for the grant. Um, as a refresher, it's a $25,000 panopy maintenance grant. And what we
are writing this grant to do is to complete the list complete the removal of all trees that were identified as priority one removals in the tree inventory. So we started with 28 trees
in our old inventory that were um that fell into that category. Um so far the bureau has removed 11 of them. So, we're going to use this money to remove the other 17, which will um put us like
ahead of our timeline in like in what we were hoping to accomplish in getting rid of and removing those trees. Um and then any money that would be left over from that removal, um we would start working
on the priority one prunings from the highest risk rated priority one prunings down to the lowest. Um so that that grant is due on the 12th, which is next Friday. So Christy and I
are working on that on writing that. Um we have a first draft. Um, and then it has to go into this system that's age system. Um, so I guess all I have to say is wish us luck on that.
>> They're still advertising it. So that must mean, you know, like right that the latest newsletter came out and said that reiterated. So >> they don't have a lot of candidates. >> Yeah. And it's only going to they're only awarding 10. Yeah. >> So it's going to be pretty competitive.
Um we're really focusing on like based on the wording of the grant like um showing that you know that we had a grant from then for um for the tree inventory. So we're really leaning into
the idea that from that inventory we're like we are taking action on the results of that. So um how DPW is using it for like for plant maintenance um and again how we've actually used um used the
information we met to take down trees and like kind of prioritize things. So um to really demonstrate that you know we are we are actively managing our tree inventory and our canopy and as a result of you know being awarded other grants
we're doing it more effectively. So that's kind of the that's that's the angle that we're going with. >> Can you say how many trees are left? You said was that 18 >> 17 17 more primary water.
>> Um are we endeavoring to replace the ones that we remove? >> Yes. And that is also part of it because that would be like um from our funds a you know the one for one. Um, >> I don't know if this is a bit of a
nonsequittor. If it is, please stop me. Um, one of the hazard trees that were removed uh recently in my neighborhood, the my neighbor was pretty displeased cuz the stump was left. Um, so I think from what I understand the the contract
doesn't in doesn't include grinding the stumps, but if we're also encouraging people to plant to replace, like shouldn't we grind the stumps? Is this something that if the town doesn't have the funding, like is I don't I don't I have no idea how much this stuff costs
to be honest, but I thought I should bring it up. Um, it's not included. Um, I don't know how much it costs. Um, >> it's I know it's expensive. >> Yeah. So, but that's not >> That's interesting. It's not included.
>> I mean, it's a pretty large stump. Like, I don't blame, you know, blame my neighbor for wanting it gone. It's It's pretty big. >> I mean, I can speak to that. >> I can ask I can ask about it, but >> So, we're taking them down and not
taking the stumps out? No, it's it's been around to the um >> to order. I guess >> her neighbor called Bur Hall a few times about it and spoke to Nick. >> Oh, she put it in the scope of the that removal
or any of these right of way hazard removals. >> That's something you want to advocate for going forward. these real >> and it's not an option in the grant right to be part of the removal like it >> I wouldn't want to include that because
I think our priority should be getting addressing the 17 trees and >> because they are you know potentially hazardous >> um I mean >> yeah the other is kind of a cosmetic
question I guess really one's a hazard ones I It's one thing if it's like a smaller tree. This one's pretty big. This is a really old tree. It was It actually could have been one of our trees if it wasn't dying for the 250 years. Like it
was a it's massive. >> So like I get why she's uh you know a little upset that it wasn't part of and maybe like the scope of it. So like if there were if there's a tree that's you know a norm like more of a normal size, it's not as as unsightly. This was This
was pretty big. >> Where? It's right on the street. >> It's right on the street. >> I mean, it's across the street. I can I can go take a picture of it. It's It's pretty big. >> I I would want that, too. If I was I mean, I would want it even if it was a small train. >> If you got It's a special company that
does this, right? If you got them to come for the day and do all of them, would they give you a discount? The people could get a discounted stone grind? I don't know. >> That's so not like >> I know. I know. kind of solution. Yeah. >> So like so the way it is now we remove
the tree but the homeowner if they don't want the stump they have to pay for it themselves to be removed. >> Is that correct? >> Sounds like it I'm know I'll find out more about her. >> Okay. >> Sounds like she's talked to Nick a couple.
>> Yes. And that was the response to the homeowner. >> Yeah. >> That they had to do it themselves. that that was not included in the scope of the project. >> Okay. >> Still saves money.
>> They got a big tree taken around. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's saving them. That's a good point. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, um we're on to the trade ordinance. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> The presentation handy. Um so just when the presentation is coming up I know I mentioned this um at the last meeting just to think about and Michael maybe you don't need to answer right now I think what we have to consider you know this is the substance
of potentially what we want to address um but we need to think about the process and actually bringing this forward with council I don't know I don't know if you can speak to that generally how it would work or do it offline like you know >> no I mean I think that you would make the suggestions like suggested edits And
then you would give it to give it to the administration. >> Okay. >> To then try to get on the agenda to talk about. >> Okay. >> And is the the best process I think I mentioned is to go in and actually redline. >> I would redline. I think that personally
I think that's probably the easiest. But Christy, do you have any thoughts on that? >> No. I mean I we've seen it come from all you can do. You can redline. I mean >> that's how we started the >> Okay. I mean, I kind of think the at least the red line and maybe we could add a memo. >> I think maybe add a memo to like kind of
outline some of the reasons why you're doing some of these changes or overall approach or something to >> give some colors to it. >> But I think personally as someone going to read it, like I'd rather see what's deadlined, >> right? And also it avoids or at least
minimizes the chance of changes that we're suggesting being interpreted in a way that we don't intend it to be. Yeah. >> Right. I mean the the changes we're suggesting obviously may not be accepted but at least we're providing specific um um suggestions on on what we'd like to
see. Okay. So kind of once we get through this I can I can at least take the first step and putting a draft memo together and red line of the of the ordinance and then we can we can review that. Um yeah so we I think we already went through
right the significant specimen trees we talked about that already. I think we can do the next and I think we talked about hazard trees also. I'm sorry. It was, you know, it was a couple months ago when we talked about I think we already talked about hazard trees.
>> Um, can we please? >> Can you give me a reminder? This has been a while. So, I I remember I looked at it again recently, but I don't remember hazard trees are in there. They're not defined in there in your offering. You want to suggest a definition? >> No. >> Why? just you're saying hazard trees but
like what >> it just was that so many trees were defined as hazardous trees so we wanted to narrow it to make it >> okay that's like the >> because it was so overused and I mean the question is like and should we require >> replacement replacement even if it's
hazard it's coming out and >> I sort of think it's not fair to require a replacement though if someone has a h well I don't know >> it's true it was true it just died I think it's a question of like the hazard, the way hazard is being used
right now is too broad. So, um, if it was a true hazard, I tend to agree like I don't know that you should require that. I mean, maybe it could be suggested, but required, then it seems a little bit wrong. But I think that like
the thing that um that I I kind of would like to see happen is specifically when something is being called a hazard when it's a result of an activity that hasn't happened yet. Like construction is going to cause a
tree to become a hazard. Like >> that shouldn't that tree should not be designated as a hazard right now. if they need to remove that tree because it will potentially become a hazard then that tree should be replaced and that was used by our LTA that
language. Yeah. >> It's going to be hazardous once the construction's finished. >> I think that that's fair because that tree was fine. You're just making you're making a move. >> You're making a hazardous. Yes. So the criteria for hazard tree were the following. Has an infectious disease or insect infestation.
Dead or dying. obstructs the view of traffic signs or the free passage of pedestrians or vehicles and or proving attempts have not been effective. It's causing objective damage to structures or property such as building, foundation, sidewalks, utility lines, etc., and is determined to be a threat
to public health, safety, or welfare. So, since we brought that up, I think Mike, somebody brought it up at the end of last year, every tree removal permit that comes back to me, she has now designated one of those five reasons of why she's calling it a hazard. If you want me to print out the log for next
meeting, I can. So, you would see it. >> Yeah, I ask her to do that. >> So, >> but I didn't hear what you were as >> I didn't hear what you were that in there. I must have your question. What you're describing doesn't sound like it's described in there.
>> Future hazard doesn't sound like it's in there. >> Correct. No, it wasn't. >> It's still not. >> Correct. >> We're going to it's it's a current state. It's not perspective. >> Right. >> But we want to add language that this
the bottom consideration if construction or other property work will cause damage to the root system. That's what we want to add. >> Right. That's the flip of it, right? If you're going to do something that's going to end up causing damage and cause the tree to become a hazard tree, >> that's an issue.
>> But I mean, >> are we enforcing protecting the the uh the root system with construction sites? I don't I don't know that we are. >> Sent a letter to someone recently who is not doing that >> because we had a certain radius around it.
>> You report it. Yeah. But >> that list I know that's in I know that's in Neil's thing here, but can we just and we just stay on the hazard tree designation just and then we'll get to that later. >> Um, so would there be a problem like
adding >> Michael? No, but I think they're sort of two separate things though because there Yes, you could add it as part of the definition, but then when you're you're going to have to later then call it out in the ordinance later as having to replace that tree.
>> Correct. So you can't have the same like hazardous trees don't have to be replaced. You'll have to add something. >> The other thing that you said in there that I just pruning has not been effective. So if that's the case then sounds to me like pruning should be tried before something is
>> you see it's really I don't know if I don't remember this when they were talking with it's really strange and I noted it noted it on the slide. So for the um situation where the the tree obstructs traffic signs or free passage
or pedestrians first have to try pruning right the same pruning will remediate it but for some of the other ones or all the other ones that that initial remediation step is not >> provided for. So you're saying like if it hangs over a house, >> right? So for instance on under D,
right, there's it's a hazard tree if it's causing damage to structure or property, right? But there's no affirmative obligation to first try pruning to see if that alleviates the problem, >> right? And that should be pruning should always be the first step. So it it's
very strange how it was drafted that the pruning obligation only applied to you know one of the scenarios where the tree could be a hazard tree and not all of them. Right? Because I think I think >> we all agree that the pruning should be tracked first. >> Well can you read them again then and
see which ones pruning would be able to be added to because >> so so infectious disease or insectation? >> Probably not. I don't Well, I mean, yeah, if you have dead branches, she tried to prune them first and cut out the I mean, you know, Leah had a
problem. She pruned and she fed her tree and it came back. >> Well, here's the weird thing, though, because right now they could take the tree down regardless either way, whether it's a hazard or not a hazard. The only reason that it's a difference is that if it's hazard right now, they don't have to replace it.
>> So, do you know where I'm going with this? So it's not like it doesn't matter. I don't know how I don't know why I can't say this, but I feel like do you know what I mean? Like so >> it's not it's basically they can take the tree down regardless.
>> If it's designated as a hazard tree, then they don't have to pay for it. So what you're trying to say is that did you try pruning it first? But if it's designated as a hazard tree, it's designated as a hazard tree regardless of the pruning or not. They can take the tree down regardless. So they either
don't have to pay or pay. I I think what I think what we're trying to say is if it can be pruned >> and no longer could it no longer constitute a hazard tree then not a hazard tree. >> So you have to really specify that then. So, so it will only be deemed a hazard tree after
>> you've tried tried doing this this this >> and maybe you have tried if it has a pest you've tried treatment if it's had you know whatever but yeah I mean these are things before it's deemed hazard you've
done these corrective >> it might be >> how do you prove that like they application and they're like they would just check the box like yep we tried that already and then just sign Well, yeah. >> And maybe we buy our >> because it has to be by a legitimate
person who did the treatment, right? You can't just say, "I sprayed some stuff on it." Oh, it didn't work. >> There's nobody else. >> The the LTE makes the decision, right? >> Whether or not it's a hazard tree, >> right? So couldn't he or she >> review the
>> review and say, "Well, okay, I understand there's a hazard tree now, but if you do X, Y, and Z, there's at least a chance that it'll get remediated and no longer be a hazard beforced." >> So So is Sherry just saying everything's a hazard tree these days? >> She was.
>> She was and saying that was a blanket statement, but now she's becoming more specific >> about why it's a hazard. >> So she has to check off one of those five. >> Yeah. >> Right. But that's that's different from whether or not it could still be the issue could be >> could it have been say could it have been healthy
>> but does she know what they're saying if like construction you know whatever she has no recourse for denial so she has to like you know she'll charge them the max penalty max replacement max funds but that's her
she's doing what the ordinance says so I don't know >> so is the ordinance is too broad on what a hazard tree Well, can Sherry go in there and just say no, this is >> Yeah. >> I mean, what's the objective? The objective is just to get, you know, you
can't stop, >> right? >> We don't want trees designated hazard because we want them >> to get money. We got to get the money for cutting them down. >> Reconsider, >> okay, never mind. I mean, you might be able to make it more of an adi advice or
a more of a suggestion, but I don't know that you can have it in there >> again for purposes of like actually tracking it. Did they try to remediate it or cuz Okay, so so what will happen is someone wants to take their shoe down,
she comes, she looks at it, she says it's it's hazard or not. So then what would happen? Just walking it through it. So you would say she designates it as a hazard, but she looks at it and says, "Well, if you cut those few, is she the one who's advising them?" I think if you cut those few, they might not be hazard,
but then don't forget then we're paying her to go back out to check it again. >> Well, every mediation obligation is in one of the um it applies in one of the situations for a hazard trip. So it's nothing I don't think it's happening for that because now
>> Okay, which one does it objective? I'm sorry. Excuse me. Um, obstructs the view of traffic signs or free passage of pedestrians or vehicles. >> You're right. Okay. >> And I think the other thing we have to note is the number of hazard trees. Right. So, in this is on the last slide.
So, in under the new ordinance, um, I don't know. >> Do you want me to go forward? >> Uh, you can you can it's there 274 as of whatever the numbers are. It's the last slide. >> Hazard trees. >> This one. I mean, just really
>> that's insane. >> I know. We could we we would have so much more money to plan if we had >> We can't stop the homeowner from >> We didn't stop them being designated as hazards. >> So, you're saying she designated 274 versus 122? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like what that >> we got zero money on any of the 274, right? >> Yeah. It's a problem. >> The total removals was 38. I think this is what we were saying last time and I'm saying like yeah we've had a lot more
trees come down but if you the percent difference was just not as drastic as it looks right. >> Mhm. >> So that's um 71%
are hazards this um versus 63%. I mean it's significant but not as but it's a lot more trees. It's a lot more trees. >> I'm not following you all. Say it again. >> I think you're think to like the total in 24 the total is 193 and we have 122
hazard trees. >> Correct. >> And then in 25 we have significantly more trees that were removed in total of which >> a bigger percentage but not% different. >> Yeah, it it's it's big but it's not as drastic as it appears. Why so many trees
removed? It's >> I was going to ask that. Why? Yeah, >> I think we made it easier. Even though people are paying, it's still way easier to remove a tree because think of before they would have to come before the burrow to ask to take a tree down and now they don't. Right now it's just a
proof, right? I mean, that's what would happen. They would come in front of the burrow, we'd say yes or no. We barely said no. It was more of a a process. Now they just fill it out. They pay the money. It's done. or pay the money when they pledge a trade >> or not pay the money >> or not be fun, >> right? Because if it's deemed a hazard,
they don't have to pay the money, do they? >> Right. Not for hazards, but for all like so far this year, we there's a fund raise $10,000. So that's in addition to the trust fund for people who elected to pay instead of plant. So we just did
the latest round of enforcement. >> But those are only trees that are not hazard, >> correct? Yes. >> So a bunch of stuff that normally if you could have gotten 50 bucks That's another 15,000. >> If they're hazard, you still have to pay the application fee, but you wouldn't
have to pay a replacement fee. >> Yeah. >> And before you didn't have to do you had to play the It's kind of the same, isn't it? >> No, there was no replacement fee before. >> No, but I mean for hazard it really kind of hasn't changed because you wouldn't have had to pay the replacement anyway
before. You would have just had to apply to stick it down. Isn't that right? With before the new ordinance. Yeah. weren't collecting. >> They weren't collecting any money. So nothing's really changed kind of for the hazard tree. >> And don't forget these numbers are only
the ones where they bought. >> Right. Right. >> So there's nothing >> and some odd trees that people just >> do it on side or their gardener does it or the guy when he develops takes down 15 trees. >> The tree placement has gone up a lot.
156. I also would like to see because we started talking to Sher about becoming more precise when how we define the hazard and when that was cuz we didn't start asking her to do that until probably late 25, right? >> We started 26.
>> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> So, that may make a difference too. >> I think you'll see the number of 26 numbers. >> How many do we have so far? >> I don't I don't know off hand. Uh I can prepare the data for next week. I think we should start off with that data. I think it's like the most important to
see what's happening plan. I think that should be like a a little bullet like on here. I'll add it to the next. >> But 25 I think when did this I don't when did this ordinance go into effect? >> Very end of 24. >> That's what I thought. So 25 is accurate
though. I mean that's like an entire year of data. >> But not Mike's saying that you have this tighter definition than >> the 26 would be >> it'll be interesting. Okay, at least we have we'll have six months of data. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even from a percentage standpoint, I like >> Yeah.
>> So, how many more categories we kind of like five categories >> for the different hazards? >> We could break it down like that. >> Yeah, that would be >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Can you break it down? Um Christie, go ahead. Yeah.
>> Within the hazard line there like five >> Okay. >> Okay. So >> it's a really interesting >> objective is to like get less trees >> hazard >> hazard. >> Yes. >> And cons consider at least a remediation obligation before
>> before hazard tree is really deemed to be a hazard tree. >> The other thing when I was talking to Chris about the problem on buttonwood with the construction vehicle and the pile of dirt there he said that Rumson is the inspection. We share that service
like the person that comes out to make sure that the tree is wrapped or you know the fencing is up is like somebody from Rumson. We don't have like that is critical because they nobody came to protect the tree. >> So the guy put all the dirt on the roots and then he's like well I'll I can't
move it now. Like it's like done. So that getting that fencing is just so important >> right away. >> All right. That's that's probably but I like Yeah. I thought get that in the ordinance. >> I think it's on the list.
>> Right. You have the >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Are we going to try to tackle one more tonight? >> Uh, we can do one more. Sure. >> Okay. All right. >> Um, well, can you flip to the next one or two more? How about two more because it's on the same slide. Um, there actually you want to do this one. Okay,
we can do this. Um so um okay so where do you want us to look >> violations of protected barrier requirements. >> Yeah. >> So address what you're saying Bonnie. This is what she's talking about. Yeah.
>> Yeah. where contractors violated the protective barrier barrier requirements um you know assess a fine of $100 per day until they be until they're restored. >> Has that ever happened? >> No, this would be this would be a new
ad. >> But so Neil, I think the other thing is no construction shall begin until the pro protective barriers are around the trace. Can we put that in? You are not allowed to dig anything until you know where
you're not going to be parking and piling and doing everything else. >> Well, I think I think that's a fair ask. I mean, you require them to have other specific >> things in place. Yeah. The fencing around the property. >> I think I think it's supposed to because
the guys just come out and inspect that it's there. Yeah. But we just they didn't do it. This is one of the big buttonwood trees that was that's why I thought it would be particularly offensive. >> Is that where it happened? >> Yeah. So there Marter Pond. Yeah. They didn't move to >> I think they moved the dirt from one
tree to another. >> They moved the boulders. They huge boulders are parked right on one of the tree spruce and then a pile of dirt on the other. >> And there were no fence. There was there's plenty of driveway >> like two days ago. >> Yeah. I mean,
>> that's a different that's a different pile of dirt, right? >> But no, I don't know. Um, >> but just think if they got to find a $100 day like ching ching ching ch like I think we have to make it a big deal to maybe that's not a big deal. I don't
know. >> Well, I mean, we could try for construction shall not commence until >> Yeah. >> protect the barriers in place. It says doesn't >> you don't even get approval to start the project. >> You can try, >> right? And then there must there must be some other
>> condition that's not met then that you're being fined under, right? If you start without approval, >> I think so. Yeah. So, we'd have to have >> I wonder if it's in the building. Is it in there? >> Neil, that's something to >> check what what is actually in there. It
might just be enforcement because as a Christian you think so much to Yeah. >> that third underly is alternate uh disincentives that third bullet point is kind of curious. I didn't know that
the determinations especially the applicant >> just what is this? Yeah. So that is a section. Trying to see which one that's under >> 87.
Which one are we looking at? >> Um yeah. >> Is it a determination of species? No. The um so if the applicant determines that some of all the required replacement trees can't be planted on the property where the removal occurred,
then they have to pay the tree replacement bid. Right. So it's up to the It's up to the applicant to make that determination. >> They're not want the tree. >> Exactly. So I feel like that should be an independent determination whether or not
>> No idea if that's enforced. >> I know. And also, can we really force someone to plant a tree in their yard that they don't want? >> They won't water it and it'll die. >> Yeah. >> So, they planted >> seems like >> Yeah. >> They don't want trees. >> You can't
let them. >> Okay. >> Well, I think it's the same thought. >> Bill Brooks said that. He said, you know, let's plant it and then they'll let it die and then they got it down to >> We just did a big sweep. Um, we gave
them till May 31st for anyone who planted this prior six months because we never asked them to replace in the winter because that didn't sense. >> So, anything that was due. Um, and that's where we got people to either send pictures or we got like another
$6,000 of people who didn't want to. They just came in with checks. >> Do you know if anyone >> basically said, "My yard is so small. I can't fit another tree." >> Yeah. I mean there are a lot of small properties >> and some were elderly people who were like I can't take care of it.
>> Has anyone complained about builders that don't want to think about it and just write a check? >> It's all mixed. >> Yeah. >> I mean I was just thinking about I mean when you know it's obviously getting the check is better than nothing. >> But then if if we then have to plant the tree there's a whole process involved
with that. That's true. And there's there's like a timing element also. So if there's some way maybe not force the homeowners but create a greater incentive to have them replant rather than just write a check. And I can think about this also that may be another
path. I wonder if also like just um and I know I know we want to cut this short um but um if another like another program that Madison Swan does and I think I brought this up last time is that the shade tree if somebody says can
you plant a tree in my front yard or like they will they have like a certain amount of budget each year that they will just go and like put a tree in someone's yard that requests it. Um and and the shade tree determines the type of tree based on the property and stuff
like that. So maybe as as our funds increase from this like that could be something that we fund like kind of like that sort of program. >> I think that's a great idea. It's like you don't want to trade here but we'll take your funds and >> yeah like your neighbor wants a trade so
we're gonna we're gonna put it there and we'll pay for it. >> The goal is increasing the canopy right. We are supposed to be as a burrow replanting enough that we're replacing this canopy that we're losing. So, it's supposed to be >> Yes. >> basically even though they're just
giving us the money, we are supposed to be picking other locations. >> It's a there's a process and it takes time to do that. >> Yeah. >> And that's a lot of money. I think how many trees that is. That's 200 or whatever. >> Planted 300 trees or even close to that since I've been on this mission.
>> I know. So, >> and that's kind of the reason that we wanted to tighten up this also because so many trees are coming down. There's no way to replace them. People said, "Oh, you'll be able to replace them other places, but can we really replace that many trees on public property or >> Right. All right. So, may maybe the
answer is and force people to maybe replace them themselves, at least incentivize them some way, they go down the replacement path versus writing a check path." >> Yeah. Okay. >> What would an incentive? But you're saying that we would >> No, I'm not saying that's an incentive. I'm just saying it's an opportunity to
plant a tree. >> So >> with probably like a leaf of like less less hoops to jump through. >> So like almost like put an ask out every year. Are you looking for a tree in your yard? We have this budget
>> that I mean that's kind of what they Yeah, that's the way they do it. And and then we're controlling >> like what gets planted. >> Yeah. >> Like the species like you know. So, >> well, there's a lot more opportunity to plant on private public property, right? >> So,
>> okay, that sounds I think that's a great idea. >> And you asked a question, Michael, to Christy, but was there are you getting it's anecdotal, but are people complaining >> Yeah. >> about what >> the fees >> trees and the tree?
>> Oh, they complain a lot about the large scale tree report that's required now. um if they're trying to remove more than five or 20% because some some uh vendors don't do it or they charging them a lot of money to do it. So that's been something they complain about.
>> Wait, can you explain that? >> What is that? on the application and with the new ordinance if you're trying to remove more than five trees or 20% of your canopy. The impediment is that you have to submit this large scale tree report which has to be prepared by an LTE which is different than an LTCO
which is a lot of residents hired to actually do the removal. So then they have to go find this other vendor >> who's not going to get paid to take down the trees. They have to write this report >> to be compliant and then >> um they have to send certified letters to everyone that the property. So that's
>> yeah get a lot of >> it is but that but that's for large scale tree removal. So that was that was the only way that we had to >> that was the only way they were preventing clear cutting because it's I forget what the number was like 20%
>> more than five trees. So they complain about that a lot on that has to do it but >> but again they're cutting more than five generally. Yeah. So yeah, it just does discourage them from doing that >> because that was my big honestly my big
kind of gripe with the was that we are allowing more clear cutting. We're making it easier to clear cut but could be again before they would have had to come in front of council and we probably wouldn't have said yes go ahead and clear cut. But now they can regardless they just either have to pay and they have to do this a little bit of an
ownorous report and but that's the only thing protecting and it's not even protecting it. is just >> making a little harder, slowering the process down. >> Can the shade can they come in front of shade tree instead? >> No, because >> some people thought it was I would have
said we should. >> No, because but you're saying because not that many people went in front of the council, but just having the ordinance was slowed it down. >> But that's what I was saying. So it was hard. only five people a year, but you might have stopped 40 trees because
people are like, I don't want to go up. >> I've definitely had people say that I'm only going to take three trees down or do less because I don't want to do that whole report in mailing. So, >> so I guess the question is, do they actually just do three? >> All right. So, let's stop there on the
ordinance for tonight. Um, and then let's tackle like another couple next time. Um, and maybe think about like what we talked and get some thoughts, please. >> Yeah. >> Yes. They made us comments on anything they want to cover.
>> Look around at other ordinances. >> I think I sent you little silvers. I don't know if they updated it since, but the old one. Did I send that to you? I think I did. >> But they had a little more protective protections on like heritage trees. Yeah. >> And also they had a little more in there
about like erosion too because we don't really talk about the other like property impacts that can happen. And you know a lot of how it was positioned to me last time was that it's really property rights versus environmental rights. >> But I also see it as what about the
property rights of the person next to them whose yard might be affected by those trees coming down. So I think that's something to think about. I mean, I can I lived it, so I definitely understand that. >> Um, so it's it's to you.
>> There's not a ton. I mean, I can talk a little bit about the knotweed just because it's ongoing. It's it's really frustrating, I think, for everyone who's paying attention to the knotweed that's at McCarter Pond. Um, but today they were spraying, but they're spraying herbicide apparently. They're also >> speak for the fish and
>> they're taking out they're still digging. They're digging in herbicide. I guess they all all agreed DPW. >> I only saw them spraying. >> I didn't see them digging. I was told that they are also digging. Here's the thing. I mean, basically, we're not giving them the money. We're holding
like $900,000 until they eradicate the knotwheat. So, they can't close out the job until this is fixed. It stinks that it's gone this far. And I mean also like they can't force them to do stuff, you know. It's >> so they sprayed today because they're I
guess they're spot spraying, but they are still I was told they were still also digging. >> I mean, why can't we tell them what we what they brought in contaminated dirt? Why can we not require them to take that away? >> I mean, we did. They took a lot of it away, but there I guess it was around
the trees that they didn't >> It's coming up off of the seams of the sod that's dead. >> The dead sod. Yeah, this not fine. the dead sod, >> right? >> So, what what would be I mean, tell me what to say because I like I literally talk about this every day. Like, I don't know. >> The notweed is now in the roots of those
trees that they put in. >> I know. So, now it's stuck there, though. Like, it's How do you get that out? >> You don't. >> You have to spray >> and then you're spraying the tree. >> So, great for our brand new cherry tree is getting sprayed with say
>> I can ask that question. >> It should This should not be our problem. I know. I mean, it is there. >> So, they should take It sounds like they should take the trees away, take everything out, put it all back, put new trees in. That's what it sounds like should happen.
>> Oh, >> but I would make >> I mean, I make sure that they don't just pull it out and put the same trees back in. I swear to God, I don't trust anything they do there. >> I mean, I guess for the record, I did from the very beginning say all the dirt had to come out. >> Yeah. >> But I wasn't not listened to, but I said
it had to come out. Soul saver >> actually haven't talked to so that's a good thing I mean our leverage right now is the money they can't close it out but >> but if they introduce something that is
you know >> potentially could be right >> a problem for the burough >> make sure the property understands would not be this he needs to read that so he understands you know what I mean but he might just not really oh it's a weed what's the big deal >> um >> that's a good point I I'll definitely
talk to So I think I mean I I said that last meeting like this could be really end up being on the burrow because if it travels to all these other properties around Yeah. >> then we could be sued. >> It is. It's across the street. It's a beautiful yard. >> All right. But um that's kind of all I
have right now. I think did I talk to you about 21 Fair Haven Road is the end. We are talking to um Stevens um institute. They're coming up with a plan for us for a um living shoreline, but it probably would be sort of a mix of living shoreline and structure. Um so
we're waiting for them. They're going to start working on a project for us or a plan for us, which will be great to get from them. >> Wow. Great idea. >> Yeah. >> That's kind of exciting. Um we're trying to get more money for 21 Fair Haven Road. We're waiting for that from the
government, but hopefully we'll get some money for more money for Fairman Road to cover the rest of the project or bulk of the rest of the project. That's all I know so far. That's about it. >> All right. >> Anything else you can think of that were any topics you wanted to
>> Oh, you wanted the JCPNL, the new trees that they put in. Did you see that? >> Yes. >> No. Where's that? >> The station, but I saw that. >> They said they they're okay, right? >> Yeah. No, I I walked by there. I saw them. So I giant >> I texted I emailed Chris and said, "Oh,
that's great." Except that >> there's still a big >> swath of yuck. >> Yeah. >> All this all these vines vines all up the big >> the substation. It's between the fields like when you're on the plane field, you're looking through. It's like those
green giants will eventually block the substation. But I just >> taken by those. >> I just said to Chris, I said, "Whose property did they plant it up to the border of their property?" So is that mean the rest of it's our property? Because we could plant we could clean it if we got it got cleaned out. We could
put some nice trees in there to shade that field. >> Did you see that? She came back and said that she'd come and look at it. >> Who? >> The person. >> No, that >> you never reply. >> Jose. Okay. I >> from Taylor. >> Well, I didn't hear from Jose. So I replied and then Okay. Did not hear from >> I think I got added to this chain. I
think he forwarded it to me late. So I kind of was looking at it quickly. >> So it would be great. That has been how many years been a drive to get them to do something? >> Forever I think. >> Six years. >> That's right. If you can't handle this.
>> Yeah. >> Um the last thing I just want to say is that in terms of you know we had the big environmental commission round table and one of the big takeaways was that everyone wants to make sure that we're not everyone's not kind of working in silos and that we are communicating. So I want
to just emphasize like for now like I'm the liaison. make sure you're telling me everything and if anything like relates to them, I will let them know and we can make sure that we're not kind of working silos doing the same projects or focusing on the same things in two different ways. I mean, this is a great
example would be that even the trees having in third in the natural areas putting plaques on them. >> Yeah. So, um, just and anything that you if there's any work that you're seeing that needs to get done, email Chris directly because he will then send that
off to DPW. So, anything that you see around town that you want if maybe to send it to um Jill just so we have just one person kind of emailing directly to Chris and just copy me on it. So, that would be kind of the chain of command. So, then he can see everything that's coming in. So if there are crossovers
and projects, then I'll be able to see and he'll be able to see. >> And he's been very responsive. He's been great. >> Yeah. >> So that's at least, you know, with getting back >> and then also anything you want on the website, just make sure you're sending to Betty in which I think we're doing a little bit better for sure. And anything that you want in the newsletter and if
there like they just we worked on that notweed flyer with the EC to get that put on. So, if there's any kind of recommendations that you have each season or something or each two every two months that we do the newsletter, if you want to put anything in there, she can always include something. >> Yeah, she did actually send something
out um asking if there was anything uh that we wanted included in her deadline was next week. >> Yeah, she she's working on the next focus, the more like larger newsletter that goes out, right, every two months. >> Will this the whole 250 in there? We'll
give her that. >> Yeah, make sure you definitely get that to her. But I think she would have known. But just remind her that that you want the that in there. And also um I think if we could get the winners of the contest in there as well. >> That's good idea.
>> That's it. >> All right. Um so okay. So any proposed new agenda items? >> You should do the numbers. How much money is in the trust? Which was the >> I came late. I was
>> going to do a budget per >> just as a line item. >> Yeah. That the first thing came down. How many like that report? Yeah. >> Anything else? >> Okay. No. All right. Great.
Uh public comments and there is no one online. >> All right. >> Okay. I've got a motion to adjourn. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> What I can do with these take the banners off and I can just mark
everybody. I'm really