get start right 7:32 wait is is this oh what's that well this is let's start the meeting get her going there you go thanks all right this is the Fair Haven shade tree commission meeting of April
2nd 2025 this is the regular meeting of the shade tree Commission of the burough of Fair Haven in accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings ACT public meetings may be held in person or by means of communication equipment to include streaming services and other online meeting platforms this meeting is
being held in person and through the zoom meeting platform being broadcast from burrow Hall 748 River Road Fair Haven New Jersey public participation for this meeting on April 2nd 2025 is available by call and phone number or through Zoom members of the public will
be on mute until it is time for questions or comment which will be announced at that time the public has the opportunity to question or comment by phone or through Zoom by the raised hand button and will be called on at the appropriate time notice of this meeting was sent to the
Asbury Park Press the Two River times and the Star Ledger on January 31st 2025 posted on the burrow website the bur bulletin board in the municipal building and has remained continuously post posted as required under the statute with adequate notice having been given the shade tree commission
secretary is directed to include the statement in the minutes of the meeting all right roll call chrisy leani Peter deti here Mike D'Angelo
Mike Chris Larson here Chris mccave Rebecca pleet here Jill Sullivan here Bonnie tvia here councilman law barbarity joined by Zoom
but I guess not yet also president for secretary Christy Larson you have a quum okay all right please stand and join me with the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and
to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible and justice for all all right uh approval of the prior meeting minutes everybody bruise those and any
questions comments or concerns no I get a motion to approve second all right minutes approved uh before we get to the project updates want to extend a warm welcome to our newest member our newest
commissioner Rebecca pleet out there I don't I'm looking this way I should be looking at this thing okay hi Rebecca how are you hi I'm doing great thank you so much I was hoping to be there in person and then of course today started to have some kind of cold happening so I
just didn't want my first visit there to be getting everyone sick so I'm glad I can join you all by zoom and yeah so happy to to be here and thank you so much great usually when we have a new
commissioner Rebecca we like to just have them rattle off the uh top 100 things they like about trees oh man just just quick that that should only take a few seconds yeah all right well welcome thank you
hopefully you'll be here soon um all right so obviously we cleared the schedule and to discuss some very important business our community forestry management
plan and um bill I none of us our two longest members are not here uh Michael D'Angelo and Chris mccab I don't even know if they were Commissioners at the time the
last plan was done up so everyone here is is new to this entire process um so I I don't know what would be best if you if you want to just kind of lead us through the process or tell us what you need from us
going sure forward or you know you're not unique because the guidelines are new this is the new okay so nobody has gone through this process before this new process okay so um and really
how we've I don't see any reason to differ in the way that we did it the last time in terms of the procedure it's it's really what I did send to Christie and she made copies of okay this is kind of just a a blueprint of what the state
has said that they want the plant to look like from a structure standpoint okay got you and there's just anything that you see in black type on that plan is something that was pulled from the old plan that may apply okay to this one
and everything in red is new and uh is um guidelines to to help you focus on what they're looking for the discussion okay and the other new the big the big new part to this the new guidelines and
you can get them online too Community for's got a set up I did look through some of these some of the guidelines here yeah exactly and you know it's a it's a learning curve too to go through these kind of documents if you haven't done it
before but but really what they want and you guys are ahead of the game because you have your inventory okay these decisions that go into the plan have to be data driven and to be data driven you have to have an inventory that's why they're
requiring you have the inventory um I spent some time going through it it's it's interesting and it's not prototypical from the for the towns that I work with not because the format is is not good because it's easy to read okay
um but it's different because in the in the top 15 trees that you have along your streets Norway maple is is one that's 18 almost 19% and there is a gazillion of that planted in the 60s that was the go-to for the builders um
so but the rest of them are just fars trees and and driving around and remembering Fair Haven you don't really have that large of a u a planned streetcap where where homes were all developed at the same time and the
Builder went through and and adhered to a plan that the the burrow required them to do it you know you have black locust and you've got black cherry and these are and Eastern red cedar and these are not shade trees that you tradition Ally
seed planted along the streets uh as a result so it's a little different in in that regards and I I took a a ride around and you don't have the typical sidewalk or tree planted either inside the sidewalker between curb and sidewall
so it's very interesting your Urban Forest you have a great canopy cover it exceeds what the recommendations is because it's over 40% okay and um and so that's really good and I noticed in your report that
there wasn't any vacancies determined okay yeah we we couldn't afford that so that would be something um that I think should go into the plan is kind of like
identifying those in this software but we yeah we maxed out with actually putting um my trees and fortunately it's not required by the state it's uh it's recommended but not required um but it's
a really important point because if you want to include tree planting in this plan which you have to do if at some point you want to request funding from the state to do those plantings it's got to be part of the plan okay but you
don't have any data and so that's that's one of the missing parts that we have to come up with data with regards to where those vacancies are and if you if you want to take a look at
this little draft that I sent over using the data here's your canopy cover map with fa ha that's you just did that uh this actually yes this is new right I didn't
do it myself but I pulled the data off recommend it's called New Jersey farth adapt and it's a website that's um run by ruers okay and I believe the white part there is actually the navn river yeah okay and this happens to be River
Road okay the the line right through the middle of it there has white that 2016 is the most up to date that that's what they have yes at buckers yeah they're not the they're not a 2016 I think for all municipalities that just so happens
that that's the DAT they have for fair hav um so which is post sanding so that's helpful anyway because Sandy had an impact a lot on on tree resources but you can see where there are some gaps in
there and the only ones that that I know familiar enough with Fair Haven is River Road here I don't know where these others are and walk driving down uh RI River Road um I take it this is the commercial District which is white and
there's not a lot probably that's pretty much Acme parking lot big white one and then the smaller I guess maybe we'll call business area further to the east east here yeah we have a heat map that
was drawn up for one that shows the hot spots in town and that is one of them okay so that would that might be something it is um but I didn't see any easily planted sites there because there's a lot of concrete we just had
the road redone new sidewalk put in right so I I don't know that there's really much that can be done there okay okay because there doesn't at least easily you can't core to concrete because it's just sidewalk the sidewalk comes right up to the road okay maybe
you can install some in in the parking lot beds in the acne if you could convince the the AC folks or whoever owns the ground that that would be something worthwhile and we could we could work with that by structuring the tree planning to to be as amenable to
those folks as possible usually the merchants have a problem sometimes if the trees block their sign or it's not as visible but we could we could do colner trees or something like that that that would still provide some cover and address their concerns about not being
able to be seen by by their customers mhm so would we be able to um just thinking like short term identify vacant Bots within the public TS sure absolutely you because I think
like I'm looking over here where obviously that dark green area is the natural area but to the left of it or to the west of it that's probably Fair Haven fields which has that walking path around it okay so and there's stumps there like so that could be like a starting point like where would we like
because I know that you could have we could have applied for this having a partial inventory I'm assuming that we could say we partially identifi the vacant spots right we you know I can walk that I can take pictures I can show
vacancies and we can include that yeah because I think you know like if a partial inventory would be acceptable like I would feel like maybe if we said we identified vacancies within you know parks and Municipal like you know maybe
bar Hall area or something like that without like walking the streets that might be a good place to start I'm gonna I'll be spending some time driving the streets too I mean I did a little bit before the meeting today and you're you got a lot of you have a lot of tree
canopy here in town There's big trees and there's trees everywhere as you can see I wonder if I wonder if it would be a good idea to maybe even um give you access to Arbor Pro and and you could
identify vacancies as you're driving around directly within our inventory system or if you send it to me I can plot them very easily um the software package we have you know we're responsible for maintaining it basically
myself and DPW so um like I just updated it today for three new trees that were planted near the DPW so we're it's flexible software that um because if that's going to drive Grant fronts we definitely want that as
part of our exactly vacancies are well it's important to plan it's important for us to be able to plan around those too I mean yes to look at areas where you could plant and identify those select species and and uh and then
when money becomes available and I and I don't I don't believe that there's going to be any state funding there in several years for tree planting because of the fact that the money's all going into planning and inventory right now just between now and the end of
December there's 114 possible municipalities that may go through this planning process and so and all the up to $20,000 per talting is going into that so that um it's uh that's where all
their efforts going right now want to get the plans done you want to get the inventories done and at some point down the road they'll provide funding for what those plans say that municipalities need whether it's trees whether it's pruning whether it's
removals um so one of the spots that um rid road that goes Red Bank behead and rson has lost a ton of trees it's a County Road first Fair first Red Bank region will cut down all those trees
under the power lines like all these oak trees came down we um then Rumson in their park across just took in a whole slew of trees we could use some trees on our side by the Natural Area and along we lost some trees um there's like a
good neighbor program with the e or something I I kind of reached out to somebody see I heard from mpan that they're you get grants for I don't think they're County I think they're state roads but there are some it's like a very compelling so many
trees came down this major roadway in all these towns and I don't know if we could somehow do something to repair that um do you know who's who's running that program that you're talking about it's you said um I think so if I I know
they have a a Reggie fuel project program for plant trees associated with the regional greenhouse gas emission but I think they're they're targeting schools for that I saw that one yeah um I don't know if you wanted
to work with any of the schools or because I think there's a new round of Grant funds coming out for that I did see that sustainable Jersey I think is that obviously have to go on school property then and it's a second year for that too they've already gone through I
think two or three million for schools in the first round I don't know how much funding is available for this round but it's it's coming out this year yeah I think it was like 4 and a half million I saw okay um but the schools have to apply yes the schools have to apply we
forward it to our uh School Board okay or to the business administrator of the schools so so that's one of the things you you guys can think about you meet monthly traditionally how it works is we go over this maybe I give you assignment
or two for the next meeting sure uh you can feed me during that interim and I can make the changes so that you're going to see the plan as it evolves okay um and and hopefully in in six meetings we've got it resolved you know we've got
it complete where we can submit it and um for approval okay and and that's the timeline that I have in my head anyway um and you can you know I'll leave my card you can call me you can email me you can text me with any any additional
information or ask me to look into things and I'll do just that okay looking through the the guidelines they you know they touch on you know obviously your your goals [Music]
um it sounded like you know just like when we were talking about you know specific programs like the good neighbor program like very specific things are they do they have to be specific with the description like you know if
we our broad goal of course would always be to maintain and you know increase the canopy where we can but as far as a management plan how specific do we have to get for example on something like that uh you don't have to be that
specific you can mention that you can just certainly say that you you know we have these vacancies we have this need that's been identified and um and so we're going to seek funding opportunities whenever and the these are
the ones that are currently you know viable and we you know we'll pursue whatever comes in so you don't have to get real specific about it okay um as far as that goes the other thing too that even though you didn't have vacancies in here
which is something that is important that will be included on the plan but there was also um some priority spooning and removals have you guys done anything based on that data yet yes started oh
good good because you said you you had to already changed some stuff based on tree planting before so that's terrific that that so he's showing action against the yes it's like our liability
statement liability something like that would go under absolutely it would be you know the driving force for this thing for when it was originally came about the funding and the whole plan preparation
was to reduce risk to the residents okay and also to the folks that were managing shat Tre commissions the environmental commissions and the municipalities themselves to uh to reduce their liability is you're
actively identifying these risks and then reducing them okay so that that's a real important part because that that's been identified there's there's a priority One removal list and there's a priority One pruning list the director
DPW um has the list he's made contact with some um Property Owners if they happen to be a street tree this inventory is public trees um but that also encompasses some
that are in the right away he works with our license tree expert who is um CME Associates and Sh yes okay is it they your Consulting engineer
CMA I don't know but she's our licensed TR expert for the bur I don't know sh okay um so maybe you can tell me about how far along you've gotten on that or if you have do you you know you might be
thinking about that uh and it it maybe with your DPW fella that says look you have X amount of trees and I have it marked down here say there's 50 trees are priority one for removal um you know we plan to do five
in the next fiveyear plan where we're gonna get them all down in the next five years under maybe he would come to one of these sessions good idea I I can reach out to him and find out exactly what action has been taken and what the plan is yeah what the plan is because
there's I think there's like they have two priorities and and there's Priority One and priority two and they have pruning and removals in each of those priorities so it' be good if he's sat down and said this is my plan for complete needs and
how how long it's going to take them to do and where he going to start kind of thing we can include it in the plan does it obviously budget would play into absolutely all this work so I think that's a broader discussion
yes and that's I think and I think like in reading all these things it always says you know that budget is consideration absolutely you know so as long as we are working towards that I think is what we're there's no
pressure it's what you guys can work into your Manpower and your budget okay but it's been identified you just have to work towards reducing that risk okay but is is the one of the reasons to have this to
justify a bigger budget or to say what we need what an ideal budget maybe you can take this information back to the funders Township B Council and say current budget we can only get this
it's going to take us 20 years to do this or it's going to take us 10 years we'd like to be able to do it in five here's how much we need to do it are you going to help us do that I I'll put it all on paper yeah put it on paper that would be help just
come well there's a question of budget and then there's also a question of Manpower we have the money but we don't have the staff to do it I mean we could always hire I guess outside contractors yeah I think removals are all higher hire out
people but I think like you know there's a case for justifying an increase in budget but I don't know if that's part of your management plan right like maybe we work through this and say okay our plan allows we can only do this in 10
years but we I guess it could be part of the plan say we plan to you you know ask for additional funding in order to improve that that plan but um right that that wouldn't like that's part
of right but it's not like we're not giving them our plan and then saying it's worthless unless we get this money we can't do it can't on it like it has to be part like an action item right as opposed to a a contingency of the
plan right like our plan is a contingent on getting more money right we're always going to have to lobby for more money but we have to still kind of almost like a worst case scenario we we still are going to have to work within these parameters of like
you know it's been a cap of Two and a half% for I don't know how many years it's it just feels like it's been a 2 and a half% municipal C for I don't know forever um so I mean
yes we can Lobby for more money but we have to come up with a realistic plan to work within you know I think I think that's what I'm saying like this is what our like our an action item on our plan would be to say you know if it's going
to take us 10 years to achieve this goal of getting rid of all the priority One removals and prunes like an action on an item under that would be to you know solicit or like Lobby whatever it is probably can't do that nag for um for additional funding in
order to improve that plan in order to improve that timeline right but it wouldn't be we can't make the plan contingent on getting more funding saying the same thing right you know the other thing too is there's more than one way to skin that
cat too because it depends on where the trees are located if they're located on County Roads and the county may be responsible for that so you can reach out for them uh a working relationship with the county it it could be utility lines that are service lines that are at
risk should something happen so then it's jcpnl you can get involved in that as well you can get a relationship with the far for jcpnl um and so that that you're reaching out to these other organizations it may not you can maybe
reduce your timeline without having to spend additional money it's because you have partners that responsible for that too you just have to know where the trees are located and whether or not uh some of the responsibility could be JCP or could be Bob count I think that
there's some I think that if I remember correctly also that some of these Priority One removals um aren't necessarily like have a high risk rating because they might not be falling on property okay um
because we did have a risk assessment done along with a condition okay so and I can't recall like if if if all of the high-risk ones if all the priority One removals
also have that high-risk rating I you're right they don't yeah okay well that's terrific because then you can you can zero in on those right so it might be like yes yeah and risk is the rating on risk is always a result of a Target
below exactly could be whether a structure or there's a sidewalk or there's a park bench or there's there's some reason for people to be under vehicles to be under that and whether or not those targets can be moved like a
park bench you can just move it away from the the trees at at risk or if it's a structure where you can't yeah I'm thinking about yeah so I mean that they all that's all that all go goes into the risk rating
for that right um so if they're high risk and their priority One those should be the ones you zero L on and and do you guys have that much information from the inventory yes okay every tree that is
over um dbh of 12 has a risk assessment associated with it okay yeah now who did the risk assessment did Arbor Pro do that is that right well I wonder it cost you
so that was the requirement of the grant that right yeah okay by risk assessment was high medium low it wasn't like a whole a singular so it's more like a condition condition okay there were
notes on something there was a condition was condition and the risk and the risk associated with the you know I mean if I I have seen the um the print out the EXL spreadsheet that has
everything on there so I mean it would be easy I guess there's not that many priority ones you could go in there and if you already know where that information is you can Target five per year with you know starting at the ones
with the risk the highest risk yes that okay um so we've already discussed two of the biggest biggest things so far in this planning process I mean it's going to
take a while to get through that all right but um you have a really good hand on on your res pro pro probably as good as as any of the towns that I've looked at I've looked at some
really pop Notch towns like spring L you you guys are right there you really nice impressed needing a Jour let's go I just sat down thank you and uh I just finished my
core training just listening to other towns and townships talk about um their shade tree commissions most of them don't even have commissions they're committees or just organizations I mean it's very rare to even have a commission I think we're doing really really well here um I know we have our own problems
but I mean I got to you after listening to and participating in these conversations I mean I'm kind of proud of what we have right here you should be I've seen a lot of towns worked with a lot of towns and um for you to have this
level of understanding of your resource it's really it's impressive it really is I mean you have your inventory you know where your risks are You' already you're updating your your um inventory to trees being planted um um
you know it's you're probably in the 90 percentile of the towns that are going through this now if we could just get people to not cut down Big Trees on their own properties that would then I would
really feel like that's an education you know and that can be address in the plan too yeah that's definitely kind of a cool thing do you guys have any questions for me specifically so is it best to like kind
of take this and like kind of take notes and ideas and stuff and and we work through that and then kind of loop you in yes okay that's a good fill in the blank lay a ad
these are discussion everything in red here is exactly what the state wants this discussion process to be and consider like barriers to success funding comes up all the time when it comes to barriers to success but it
could be capacity okay you know you you'd like to be able to have um a knowledgeable true person in town to be working on trees but you don't you know that may be identified as a need okay um
so so that could be it it could be the fact that there's a lot of concrete un River Road you and there there's a lack of tree plan locations as a result maybe you can work you know you can do something about it maybe you can't okay
but it's one of the barriers to what you'd like to be able to do even though it's a c County we could still say we'd like to have some more tree plan yeah I mean if it's a county and and maybe that is you establish a closer relationship with the county yeah um and and you do
have a bunch of County Roads road is a county road right and uh River Road's a county road yeah you don't have any state highways in okay that's good yeah this it's an act of Congress to work I
just say another ler uh so then your overall program goals we've already talked about a couple of them blant treats is one okay reducing risk with your priority removals and pruning projects if there's anything else that
you want and I heard a third one too you were talking about the big open space piece of ground okay the fields or the Natural Area open the open area yeah if you wanted to
inventory that as a as a whole you can do that you're talking the we have represent the Natural Area no I think but we have two people you can do that and there's funding available would do that as well I saw that when I was
reading through this thing whatever this one that that that that inventory in the Natural Area like a fared area is part of like what we should be doing too yes yeah
it's that project we're going through that at Lake topanemus in freeold there's a it's a 71 acre LS Parson and um and that fun is the natural resource conservation service the USDA agency um
they usually work with private lands with Farmers but they can provide those resources to public landh holders as well as long as that public landholder like the burough of Freehold would enter into an agreement with a nonprofit to
manage the propit so then the funding will go to the nonprofit the nonprofit would then contract with the people to do what work you need to be done but the plan would be provided right do that work and I can send you a copy of the lake this par these folks were the
nonprofit that we that I worked with along with the B of Freehold and we just did a 10 a 10 acre thinning and um 10 acre invasive species removal was PID what's the
nonprofit um I give you a little history I work for a Conservation District uh Soo Conservation District and bill has worn many hats one of the hats he wore for 30 years was the manager of a Conservation District in Mercer County
uh so I'm the manager in Freehold with and we do Mom at the middle sex County uh we have uh founded an open it's called The Open Space uh conservation Consortium and we did it specifically to partner with towns to get federal
dollars um so I don't know if you're familiar with conservation districts and the work that we do um conservation districts grew out of the uh 1930s the dust bow um President Roosevelt decided that we need
better farming practices so the federal government went out to the farmers and said we want to help you and the farmers said we don't trust you so conservation districts were formed and there are local entities um that
Farmers come to sign up with us and they get federal dollars and it still works to this day so when you hear about the farm bill and and um federal dollars being used for lands it has to go through the Conservation District uh so
in from the 30s till about the 70s we were an a assistance agency in 1976 they passed a soil erosion and set a Control Act we turned into an environmental Reg regulatory agency um and that's what we still are today
however we would like to get back to our roots of um agricultural assistance so like I said bill for 30 years R in the Mercer district and to do the community Forest plan which we're talking about now there's nine people that can do it
in the whole state so bill came to us and said I really want you guys to get involved in this so um for how that affects you this Jacob he's an urban Forester we just hired um we're hoping just to peek over Bill's shoulder to
learn how to do these things um but like I said we do have other things that we can offer one was the lake topanemus uh plan it's um it's we picked I'm not sure how big the park is but 71 Acres we
picked a a 9 acre plot that's literally surrounded by a walking path and um Bill did the plan for the whole park we went to RCS and said you know there's there's 10 action items on this plan we fund these four so we picked four items out
of that and Forest thinning um wood wildlife habitat establishment um invasive species Invasion species and one that got everyone's attention was controlled burning everyone liked like that one but
essentially you know in layman's terms we thinned out the forest to get rid of some of the undes desirable species opened up the canopy to to more sunlight and then that the next phase is we're going to go back in and plant desirable
species so that the forest has a more um it's less homogeneous it's a it's pretty much a stand of one kind this like exactly what the Natural Area is looking for the plan covers the whole area and then Zero's in on just like this
community Forest iMagic PL in on areas that need the work and the other similarity Bill did the plan seven years ago yeah so just like you guys you're gonna have a plan well it took seven years for someone else to pick it up and
say we're going to take the goals from his plan and fund it and actually achieve it so that wouldn't have happened unless the plan was developed like if we went to nrcs right now and said we want to just do this they'd said well where's the forest management plan
where 's the you know where's all the the data and the research so that's why we would want to get involved in the planning process so that we can do these types of projects so I I so okay so how would
Haven get involved get your money yeah yeah yeah exactly um the original uh did we fund the plan originally or no Freehold funded the plan you came with the plan I yes that's that's what it was we pre-old
burrow went to nrcs and said we we want our Forester to to get a plan so they funded that and actually that they they didn't want anything to do with the money they just wanted the plan right so n they signed an agreement and nrcs just sent me the check when the plan was
approved and done so they didn't have to worry about anything and then once there were several practices that had to be done in there we went to Tim to get them funded uh because as a public entity B
the bur of Freehold had to sign that agreement with the npl and said okay we're going to be in charge of this work right and so that's how and it was just completed this P we also have uh we have a separate agreement with middle sex
County Parks um to do exactly the same thing they have like 3,000 Acres of forest that they need manage so they came to us and they said we have this uh John Phillips Forest Area we would like a forest management plan they came to us
us being the nonprofit We went to nrcs with the parks department and said we would like to fund a forest management plan and nrcs said we're allowed to fund those things here's what it has to be involved in the plan um
we'll give you you know just for argument we'll give you a $1,000 doll go out and do it it was more than that so we hired then a Forester uh Gracie and harrian they went out and developed the plan uh we submit the plan to D because it has to be approved by D and then we
go back to nrcs and say we have the plan and nrcs uh all their funding is reimbursement so you it's a c share so you do the work and then they reimburse you so we then got paid to develop that
plan so that's that's one that we're literally finishing up but so the the Philip track is just developed the late topanemus was developed we had goals and we pick goals
out of the plan so same thing but Lake topanemus was 78 years ahead of the same thing with you guys once this plan is developed like Bill said the funding opportunity is open because you have the plan like you can
go to all these you know not aror Day Foundation things like that and say Here's my plan and they'll say well now we can talk to you because they won't unless you have a plan I would love the Natural Area to be part of the like I feel like the Natural Area was
not in the old plan and it's really been pretty much ignored yeah I mean it's this huge piece of property there's a group of volunteers with some DPW help that pretty much manage manage it and um but it it's such an important part of or
you know town and in surrounding towns I mean we have volunteers that come from Red Bank and everywhere else because they love to be in there so um if we could figure out it's not a complicated process it's been done many times in New Jersey I just finished one in seagert
for there EDG Park and we did one for Crescent Park in seagert as well so um and was part of the community forestry or it was not it was a separate plant okay yeah so the end prod the product that we want is the forest management
plan that we can then go to for that piece of ground this community forestry management plan is essentially for the urban part but that two of them will be connected but there're separate sources of funding okay all so now your minds are all blown
right yeah just it just would be great to get I agree we we work with mommoth Parks um and parks and the Rangers come in and give us all sorts of advice and are very very helpful um but it's nice if you're if we have a
trained Forester that walks in the see he said this piece of ground is 45 Acres yeah okay um this 45 acres and and the Forester can look at it and say okay well here is a stand that's only 20 years old maybe it was a Bandon field that's growing up and there's you know
500 trees per acre okay well you would manage it differently than this piece here this other 10 acre piece where it's been Woods for the last 45 years and there's maybe 150 trees per acre there the issues there are totally different than there we actually just
did that and broke up into zones I you want to anything about it um yeah we sort of did got a map of habitats and there's like nine different habitats identified in that 40 plus acres you know some of them are Wetland some of
them are you know established forest and other things but we really just baby steps you know we really need a a more concrete U inventory and plan well as part of this
planning process it's it's very comprehensive the states D dictates exactly what they require there's a soils requirement there's a a wildlife requirement uh threat endangered species search has to be done those all get
identified could be habitat in there could be not you could maybe part of that plan could be to enhance that habitat for whatever thre endangered species happens to be on the property uh there's you know there's the forestry part of it as well there's an understory part of it there's a that's our problem
you know there's invasive species that nrcs has a practice which we used in L topus to address some of that um we're going to look to see what happens now and we've opened the canopy up to see what responds if if it responds appropriately then we don't have to
replan it deer is our biggest problem which I'm sure is with everybody's a matter of fact that I come here a deer walked right across River Road surprised there just one was you don't do anything do you have
anything to do with deer management you they have a practice for deer management I believe um you know it's a fence traditionally it's fence it's a fence have you seen anything related to deer management in Far stream management
plans you know you don't do anything in Far stream without trying to you have to deal with the the deer issue okay um I've been doing this for 40 years in the old days when we had a Timber sale we used to cut the tops down C tops are too
small for for the lumber so we used to cut them down because they looked unsightly now we just leave them because you leave a big top there deer can't get in and the only thing that that ends up regenerating is what they can't eat and it's in it can't comes up through the
tops where the branches prevent the deer from from eating it So eventually the top will rot and you'll and the Regeneration will be higher than the deer can browse so there's things that you can do that don't require fencing okay but but
really use a lot of f the other thing in in a lot of our projects uh tree tubes versus cages like that's kind of a hot debate the uh we've done a couple re um replanting where we use the
tree tubes and universally no one really likes them the thick it's like a plastic yeah that goes around um it makes a tree very whippy I don't know if that's a technical term but the the the trunk doesn't grow as it should so then you
have to get cages because like said you know de predation you could you could plant all these trees and the next day they're all gone and you're like what did we just you know so that's part of the process yeah they have a they have a detail for a cage too so you don't have
to fence the whole area if you don't want to you can put a cage around until it gets the so is that something that in your opinion makes sense to put in our plan under a goal I mean we yeah absolutely controlling the deer potion is Way
Beyond the shade tree scope but I'm just wondering if it's worth a mention so it it it's just another place where it's noted and kind of build awareness we're not really going to have any control I know there there's been discussions of hunts here um and all kinds of things
but I mean again that's beyond our out of our scope worth mentioning you can certainly mention in the plan that you want to to uh you want to pursue a forest management or a forest stewardship plan for that 45 acres and deer management
would be part in that absolutely uh and you you'd like to seek funding to to have the plan produced and you know I mean I can write it up saying you know proposal to go talk to nrcs to see whether or not they would they would
fund a a FL stewardship plan for that the burrow did get a grant to do a force survey yeah that c is preparing okay I don't know where that stands at the moment it's for that area and who C
is doing yes Sher is doing I don't know if she is C is I haven't received an update I think that's kind of a justification to go after to the de I hope we're hoping that that'll show that really is a problem the year but I don't know if there's any findings
yet I don't think any product has been delivered that I know of that came from counsel yeah I mean I you know M I can just pick up the phone and speak to Sher and ask her what status on that is and take a few things for our sure just
don't bill us it's part of this point it's um I don't want to keep you too much longer but I think if it an assignment for the next meeting yeah absolutely look through this three
history accomplishments barious success think about that okay and think about what your overall program goals we spoke about three of them today and then then we can kind of plug in the plan connections and
the rest of your considerations whether or not you you have some new folks on the shade Tre commission maybe it's a training um maybe you might want to get some training for them whether it's core training whether it's cus that you need
to uh to maintain your accreditation as well um well new Commissioners usually just take over the budget plan plan and there is a budget there's a template in there too for the I want to
think about that I'm sure you may have to talk to your DPW um and because that may be a good part of it yeah one things that goes into the budget that at least from past years was anything budgetary that went
that was tree related because then that would help you with your uh National Arbor Day application as well I think they have a minimum requirement are you a Tre City us yes per capita yes yeah there's a per capita it's I think it's gone up to like $35 per person or
something like that not sure we well exceeded it I'm sure you do and one of the reasons you do is if you do brushing when you pick up those costs get included in here and then you can just take this and use it on your oh I didn't even include that wow
that yeah leaf and brush pickup and you know I did take a ride around and you have a lot of brush in the street you're waiting for a pickup right now yeah I mean the winds have been horrible but you almost can't get by some streets in town because there's so
washing on the side road right this is true this is true starts next week we know we were told right do you touched on the budget so if we can kind of frame this in our own minds and I know we touched on this in different ways but do we think of this
as it can't be pie in the sky but it it's aspirational right in terms of what we want to accomplish but we also need to obviously be mindful of what is a reasonable budget yes here right I mean you don't have to attach numbers to it
yeah okay but it can be ASP aspirational as far as that goes especially if you realize when you start to look at the numbers that you really would like to do a little bit more at risk reduction but the dpw's budget can't
support outside contractors or they a DPW themselves can't do the work that needs to be done um those are the things that you need to to look at and then and then decide uh where if you are going to ask for some additional funds how it's
justified in why okay this might be a little a but I I saw in here the um in the guidelines they talked about you know inventorying trees
and but they mentioned that it was I guess it was recommended or required that it be a professional qualified professional they call it now
you know if we does that preclude like a DPW uh supervisor or director who has been trained in like the arbor pro software to do any kind of inventorying or is it really like a licensed tree expert that it does not have to be a
licensed tree expert okay um and I don't want to speak for D that that wrote the guidelines although I sat on I chaired the committee that develop that my understanding of what they consider a qualified individual is somebody that has training enough to identify trees
down to species okay so there's not a real credential that has to be required that's required like an LTE LIC tree expert but if that person can distinguish trees down to species that
that that would qualify okay what part is this uh it was on the guidelines the urban Forest structure composition and Trends page five let's see this was the guidelin page page five
guidelin you know the state didn't want to fund 20,000 or 5,000 5,000 for to plan another 15 for an inventory if it was going to be a bunch of bil Scouts going out I think that was the that was what
they did not want so but but this already being done kind of are you talking about if somebody was going to go out and add trees to oh okay just I was just thinking like you know further down the line said they have enough information knowledge and qualifications to go down
toes and identification the tag sent it to me so I had I just basically it into the that was my question like if you plant something technically like it in theory it's all already correct but if we're taking something down we don't have to like it's just
removed and we would in theory know what we were putting back in this place because we have a tag yes right yeah well the planting part is is easy because somebody's telling you what it is it's when you're walking down the road and the trees some on the side of the road that you have to be able to
identify that tree in the inventory we just have to be really good at keeping this updated and then we're good to go right yeah well that's the other thing too uh you know there's Fair Haven is work is amending
the the plan or the inventory as you go many towns don't have the capacity to do that so they'll do this inventory and it's good for 10 years they're laying out their 10year plan based on that okay but it's not getting changed because
they don't have the capacity to do that they don't have somebody they can pay that's knowledgeable enough to go in there and make those changes so they just have a piece of paper that says this is what they're going to do they're going to plant 50
trees or five under trees whatever it is in the next 10 years at these addresses because they've been identified and the vacancies are there so each year a planting plan goes out they just pull a series of addresses and plant the trees
there and they know you know on an ongoing basis as it because it's static it's it's Dynamic I mean and the fact that the trees look great tomorrow but after all these storms it may not be next week so that something
changes they may have to remove that or so one of our this is kind of new but one of our biggest barriers I think to planting is watering and that's one of the like the
former where bur administrator was notd to plenty trees she like who's going to take care of who's going to water them how do towns do you have any suggest like I don't I mean like even putting them around the border of Fair Haven Fields I think would be great there's so many
stumps but getting water is always the biggest problem did you see in here like it said like like barriers and it said things that you need and one one thing on there was a water truck I immediately thought of you yeah oh is you know what okay
yeah well a good water truck we have one we have like a gravity water truck that like goes I mean it takes a DPW that's DPW time um we need a summer intern to do our water truck that's what I would like um happens all the time Spring Lake
does the same thing they hire somebody for the summer they just hire yeah they they hire somebody for the summer the watering and um they have a truck and they he fills it up sometimes several times a day he
goes around to all the newly planted trees and he Waters them and they have they use bags they were using those Gator bags and now they've evolved to these things that are like sponges so that you fill them with water
and it soaks up but if it rains or even if it's uh hot high moisture content in the morning from the Dew these they look like donuts they soaked the water up and then they provide it too so so they are they called diapers or something I feel
like I've seen this somewhere yeah well if you went to any Arbor Fest I think up in in Edison the vendor was there if you want to speak to Spring Lake about it give him a I'll give you the the number of the woman that that was responsible for I think they bought a bunch of them
is it um Sid W Sid W yeah I've met her at the everyone knows Sid yeah she's uh she's terrific yeah she is so she spoke at the conference last year she's wonderful yeah and she she comes to that we have that Brian M drove that um shade
tree the regional yeah the regional meetings which is great yeah um so so that that's how they do it um they hire somebody who goes around with a water truck some towns if they're planting in someone's yard because it's in front of
their house they'll make sure that they say you understand what you're ordering obligation is and do you want a tree don't plant a tree in front of somebody's homes that's that doesn't want it that's almost Universal across
all the towns that I remember worked with the person doesn't want the tree yeah don't plant it there because they're not going to care for it sometimes they'll pull it out because you know some people don't like trees for whatever reason so there's that if
you can get the the homeowner involved that's helpful it's not guaranteed that that that person is going to water it when it needs to be and with the last three years that we've had the drought's been horrible you know it's a lot of towns are reducing their tree planting
just because they they have to water two and three years afterwards just to get the trees to survive so you know you're going to play to tree you got to water it there no ifs and bus especially last three
years we pled a bunch in the natural in December which and that ended up being great because it rained so much yes the winter yeah the spring that's the other thing you know fall has always been the the second best time to plant trees
because some trees you can't dig in the fall like Oaks and the stone fruits like dog woods and cherries you have to dig in the spring but then you have to get them through that summertime you know where they're they're halfway established if they're
fall planted and they have a you know people at least they don't feel that need to be watering it when they're dming and I don't know that that there's a whole whole lot of science involved in that feeling that they have that they
don't have to care for them as much if they're planted in the fall but can't hurt so so that's really what it is if you look at it's page eight it looks like you look at
some of those and um you have any thoughts to send to to me I'll make those changes and traditionally how it works is I'll make whatever changes um I'll work on it uh between now and the next meeting
and then um then we'll sit down and we'll make sure it's exactly what you want okay discuss the next the next step sure and um and you know hopefully in six months as we go through the process we'll have a a complete
plan and it's also the aspiration part is I like that the mayor's got a sign is so who or she has to be on board so we need to keep there was
um the the liability section in here a liability statement yes um is that something and ask chrisy is that something that typically is reviewed by like a town attorney good be I would think that you
know prudent towns would would have that yeah would have that review attorney um as I said this whole thing you know trees are and planting is important but the whole plan and this whole process
was designed to reduce risk and revolves around that liability statement that that's actually one of the more important pieces to this planning process so the guidelines
have the um the guidelines having appendix in here that talks about [Music] model liability statement yeah I think
so so like you have an existing one from the last plan and I think I included that there is one in the yeah okay and then there's the model one you might want to put the two of them together and decide if you going to change the language a little bit um because you
know liabilities change a little over years in terms of How It's viewed okay so take a look at that and um you know if it's going to be changed let me know what it is and I'll make sure that I I put it on
the next information does it makes sense for the member to send me other their comments so I can just give you one Consolidated email so you're not Fielding a bunch of that would be great yeah I think I preer that to funnel
through that'll be fine okay I'll say like if you want any changes made send them like two weeks before the meeting so that way it gives you two weeks to incorporate yeah you can say two weeks but you know the night before I'm probably gonna
be that's fine being honest [Music] good okay so guys send me anything you have and I'll together well so we're we're starting with this word and we're just going to try to take some of the stuff from our
old that's so relevant and well I think I've taken I've taken what I thought might be relevant it's already in here yes and that's in the black type the red type is D's guideline recommendations for the discussion okay and what they're
going to be looking for in the plan so look at that red type as well and say okay well that that means for fair in this this is what we'd like to do with what they doub and you already have your inventory so
you're we really ahead of the game the other thing I think that you need to talk about is uh you have a great website and there's application for tree removals and tree this is terrific you've
got I I assume it came out of this you guys right the most part okay not the I mean you need do the application the B okay there's a did you guys decide on what the the recommended trees to be
planted are um did that come from somebody else there was a group that well there's see I don't even know is it couple links Brian M shared the like MTH the official one that everybody was
using but um we also had something that we used about trees and Haven native trees and okay and the website's got some great native trees in there it really does look nice you have an appendix a on this application where it
has a bunch of trees Rec that's right from the ordinance okay that's from your ordinance okay because there's been it looked like it was signed in 24 did it take a while to uh no did it take a while to develop
that list and then it was finally the list or the ordinance well the list that was into the ordinance I guess was list yeah multiple sources yeah any there's a couple there's a
couple of concerns in here okay that's yeah and and it's all result of disease okay the inventory says that you have bacterial loose Scorch in town um I don't know how um how up on bacteria
Leaf squirts the the arborous were that we're working on this it's bad here in New Jersey and um and they did their they did their inventory in June the the symptoms of BLS usually shows up in late August so they might not have seen they
it they did they did tag a couple of trees as being BLS but it's probably more preev prevalent than they may have seen so Red Oaks you have so many Red Oaks on his planting list they're not being
recommended for planting because of the vs thread so I don't know maybe you put a disclaimer or something in there the White Oaks are fine because they're much more disease resistant to that um Beach Lea disease 100% fatal it's it's wiping
out our beaches you Beach on that list so if you want I can send you some suggestions on how you might mod ify that to reduce their great native trees are just being wiped out by diseases so until we get a handle on that probably not a good idea to be
plan and I also have some additional great native trees that weren't on your list that I'll send to you to consider as well great somebody did their homework on it too they did a nice job
nice did yes we did thank you great job did you read our pre ordinance I did uh there's some really good things in here I um I I work a couple days a week I was asked to as the program manager
for the board of Tree Experts and in here you have the number one statement that needs to be on everyone's ordinance and that is they can't do tree work in the town unless your license and registered with the state under the bo tree export because that protects the
municipality uh if you're if they're licensed and registered through the State Board of Tree Experts they have to have a million dollars worth the liability insurance protects the homeowner protects the municipality and they have to have U they have to have workers comp for any employees they have
on a job as well and uh it also means they've gone through the train so they actually know what they're doing so that's that statement alone it means to me that somebody really did do all that was a Sherry ad exactly she serves I
mean I'm the program manager as a staff person but she's on the board of Tree Experts so that's EXC I have to give her crudos all right so that our homework assignment any anything else that that's it for now I'll be adding to
it as well yeah as we go through this without a doubt and if you have any questions you call Christy or you know you can send me a text or something if you have a question I can answer directly be fun okay and if you're in town and you want a a little tour of the Natural Area just you know what you're
dealing with you know that's terrific yeah I'd like that happy done okay I have cards here if anybody need them yeah it's been a pleasure thanks I'm really glad you selected me to do
this I really like be Haven the first time and I've been really impressed with what I've seen so far it's great it's nice to hear we appreciate it welcome back I hope we can figure out something yeah abely yeah yeah thank you for
coming like I said we're hoping to look over Bill shoulder because Bill said eventually he wants to retire I don't believe he said he he says eventually but do you have contact info that you could also give Christie sure yeah well
that's the other thing too we talked about capacity that DW there's no capacity to be able to do all these PL thought the technical capacity so I went to Tim and said you know we need
another Forester to uh to help and uh well we probably need another 20 and so so we're trying to build the capacity from the from the consultant standpoint as well you want to come to love where you live day and you can convince all the
kids to become Foresters yeah again everybody wants to be a f [Laughter] Andre I think we sure thank you very much yeah I was
allce and yeah make sure we do a lot of homework yeah we'll go through it too and be more efficient okay yeah guideline Jacob did you want to introduce yourself oh yeah I could introduce myself um yeah
I was born in rised in Fair Haven for the last 26 years and oh wow recently was hired as a Forester in training with the fre Soil Conservation District so as Bill just mentioned trying to expand the capacity and very cool that I can be working in my
hometown you still live here yes I do I live my folks right now that's great you you know has I'm not I mean I'm not kidding you we can be with the sh Tre commission yeah more than happy my Twin's actually fire works with the fire guys and he did the same thing with the
kids black black yeah you have a card no my cards aren't in the mail yet sure yes it's uh number first 98433 oh it's being
[Laughter] recorded give me oh there you go that's nobody's watching usual sure yeah have you seen our San Mo you
have we have where are they two that are planted in marar park and one is still in my back por we got extras we got our and and it's going I'm not playing my y we're just figuring out Place PL
baby I need to plant some yeah thank you app um all right so I think I mean we have our homework assignment from bill um and then on top of that I guess we should
come prepared with some goals I know we have we all have our goals we all have you know but we should all come with come prepared with a couple of goals and see what six some you know some talking
points I guess yeah I think so I'm sure a lot of can I just the tree planting goals and the current one the goal of the tree planting program are as follows achieve the goal ensuring that for every available planting location there will be a suitable tree
planted every yeah want a commission when this last you were were you yeah wow the Oracle back the day Ken doorway
believe and seod so you remember buil absolutely yeah he was good good dude wow um and anything else we should come
prepared to the next meeting wow yeah whenever you think it's appropriate we can reach out to Nick to see when would be a good time to get his input because I think it would be valuable I don't know if you want to get a little further along yeah at least see PL from everyth is that he's going to be
your next month that's for sure next clarify that because that would probably that'll also I mean I guess you know he's looking at six months and in reality that's six meetings minus July
mhm um so reality that's not a huge amount of time you know for we're all just meeting once you know so I mean I think it's going to be important to come prepar at each meeting with some real data and uh yeah hopefully
hopefully be able to you know come to conclusions at the end of each meeting yeah yes well do you want to break it up or we all working on everything and just kind of read through and throw out ideas first so yeah I I was thinking about breaking up but having um we just got
this kind of rough draft from him today um think we just do what he tell us to do and he's done this before and we just follow his process yeah stick to the process stick stick to the plan yeah I mean at least for the first time so we can of see where he goes with it so we
don't make ourselves insane right yeah I don't I don't think we should split up stuff we don't want to split up or we don't know what to split up um so do you is that a reasonable timeline within two like in
two weeks send me all of your stuff I'll combine it and get it to so he has time to put into the plan so he could add the draft prepared for when is that day because Miss spring break in there that's
oh two next meeting May 7th seven so that means it would we also pick our poster winners that mean [Music]
to so you have everything to me like on the 24 that'll give him like almost two weeks for the 28th I don't know you guys yeah we can we get through Earth
week and lovely l and it's so we're just we're just giving him notes so it's like just a place for for us to start so yes right like these are talking points and then I think he's
gonna turn them into a reality right that's he knows how to he knows yes okay but yeah any ideas he's always very open to and then he knows how to put it in appropriate right right and
great excited aspirational goals but also realistic goals all right um then with that open it up for uh let's see we didn't have anything else um I mean we have proposed new
agenda items but I think for at the very least for the next meeting we have our main agenda item and then our poster contest winners is that's the next meeting the next meeting yeah okay do we have anything else that we have to finish like we have to do before the
next meeting I think where you lived is before the next meeting yeah man I really need help because last year Leah and I were at the table Leah is working at another table with somebody else I'm trador I'm kind of in charge of the whole thing so I can't be sitting at the
shade tree table the whole time the big tree hunt Joe Joe Joe Bennett is coming okay from the big from the forestry service he'll be there measuring trees that was going to be one of our activities and I have um someone sorry Jacob and
Jacob I you know sitting there and what love youday it's uh Sunday the 27th from 1 to 4: I Put A Sign Up Genius Link in the right you did yes okay so I put two shifts
in I didn't see it it was in the all stuff and Christy I can't believe that um John Fenwick shaved his beard before the event very disappointed John but I told you I told you well you you trimmed it up there too
you just had you are definitely the J um by the way just to get back to the poster contest the our teacher is now having all the kids do it so we're gonna have tons of
posters so can she edit first yeah that would be nice right I can ask yeah like give us you know to top five top three that much easier the library event is a go we're just going to work on
seedlings a coordinate on that well we have to vote on that yes um so uh the library is asking for us to provide 15 seedlings for their uh grade school event on Tuesday April 22nd the Tuesday before
Arbor Day that's their Arbor Day event for these sickles age kids and there I asked if they wanted support and she got back to me saying that you know it' be helpful if we can provide 15 seedlings just 15 yeah that's all she I said how many do you expect she said 15
so is so um that's I fine and then I I know that Bonnie you're working on getting seedings for love where you live today so we well yeah I mean Chris I'd asked Chris about the um giveaway and I do you want but you found out was that we can
get them yes for our cost now there was a free program standy recovery program they were offering them for free no longer that expired so now you can pay for that it's $40 for 25 I think no it was $100 for 30 oh that was when if
they're maale to us I I didn't even see the that was for the you pick them up perhaps I thinkon um I think it's the same cost regardless if they're the tube seedings if they're be Roots
there's a lot more variety but they're basically like yeah I think the tubes are safer right future dead trees I we're truly promoting trees let's try to you know save them as F we can give give a
tree [Music] um well any are sold out the only ones left were um did I tell you oh that well the cedar was the only one I thought they got shipped here and then the other
ones you pick up yeah but then the list of but then that bigger list those are bears yeah um so it just depends what you want [Music] it was Atlantic White Cedar right yeah
how does that sound fine they sound great um you want to do that we were actually okay so all right so if we um and they would you're right they would be shipped yeah 30 for
$100 CU they're in they're in a t do 15 enough for your where you live day um I don't know maybe I just go get some more too I mean because I I was thinking maybe the
Natural Area might want some too um well how about this motion to approve uh I'm making a motion to approve $100 to purchase 30 seedlings for l read your L day and the oror day event have
Library I'll second that yeah okay and then Chrissy can you put that order in and yes I just want to um if I want to do something with a natural area and get the bar root do I can I just do this or
does that have the official town I maybe call I mean you're just going to go and pay cash for the Natural Area well yeah so that's the only way right I don't know do we want maybe we do a
purchase order for the match I we have to talk about that okay get that all right so live where you love day are you going to be covered I'll be there live where you love I like love it all of it I do both live where I love I love
where I live We Love Fair live um all about the love we need Peter can you possibly be there on the 27 I'm almost positive right can yeah okay and the email I okay can you send that out again just separately I'm going to try and Pawn off a different event I had for work that
day if I can I will okay be there okay because of course that from 1 to three so um we'll have a table and um I'll have the pictures with the big tree H we have Joe Bennett there he was going to stand by the tree and show people how to
do that um I will talk to Jacob and see um if he could bring something about for service what he does maybe really Inspire Inspire kids to um um do that U we were thinking about having like a
photo having kids hug trees or something and take pictures and hang them up or do something like that but um I know we talked about this treasure hunt there's already going to be like sticks and Sprouts is going to be there running around doing nature collecting um there's going to be a bunch of nature crafts there so I don't know and we
could have you know a little thing on the Sal o um information I mean I get a fake beard on it's a deal breaker I guess I can try got it I mean yeah the other thing is got almost a month we
when we planted this last year were we going to try to do an annual photo with them what we thinking about doing that I don't remember that in the discussion but that's a I think we we did talk about maybe having a Class come out every year did
we was that or maybe thought about like you know that would be a nice thing actually like it would third grade right transitions out of there so yeah you know then something like that but it would be nice to have some kind of
record like that yeah I also think you know how I I had three pieces of fencing around them because they I wanted tight so things didn't get thrown in I think that they need another I have two extra pieces to expand some I think they actually have grown one of them has I don't know other
little one about that little that's and Harry well I have have the double spare might need a replacement Harry Harry came later I mean really they're not the same like let's face it Harry's always been a
problem really been a problem okay yes um so we will be there and uh [Music] um update um the Natural Area will be having their volunteer day that same
weekend um the end of Earth week it's Saturday 10 to one and Sunday Sunday 10 to one so somebody from there is coming I think dick berer is Gonna Come and table right after so it's volunteer day
and then L we day so all right um good stot cheers all right with that I'll open it up to public comment if there is Mr
Olen any public comments over there I do I do want to just add that the um bring trade buy programs trees yes yeah my neighbor got in with four like slipped in under the
wire that's really amazing it was 75 I think was the total all of last year for the two of them wow well we had 54 in 54 last 52 last spring and um 28 in
the fall so yeah so that's great that's great do they have when they're going to plant no end of May mid to end of May yeah so no they they don't they don't tell us would
be you know keep me on your toes they start dating them and stuff like that so they have to do you have the list of what people ordered yep um the green Giants were the 37 of
the 80 were the green Giants and then the next biggest was the wond and cherries and then um they nine of those and then tied for six were the emerald green Arbor vites and the eastern red bud multi stem
okay so not many big shade trees no uh eight large shade trees Al together W 19 flowering and 52 Evergreen so yeah 8 that's understandable
yeah yeah no it is can't 8 White Oaks right still like the maple is is the one that people generally go for so just trying to see yeah but that's 8 trees in the
ground all right everyone make a motion to adjourn this meeting second meeting adjourned thank you every see you next time get homework I know the tree inventory holy cow you
rock it I mean a plus being on this the core training and people are talking about like just like doing Park