>> Budget Committee meeting is called to order at 06:40PM, in accordance with the changes to code Code of Virginia section
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located in Boston, Massachusetts missiles where highs are please check your audio and video. >> Good evening, everybody. And can get. I now call on Dr
Reid for a presentation on the FY 20. >> 26 budget. >> Thank you, Miss Anderson. we have our budget team here
as well. But I walk through the slides, many of which I believe you've seen as a board and just as reminder and really a kickoff to a
conversation this evening. So I want share. Just about the purpose really, of a quality
education. I think that when. Communities are at a crossroads. We have to look at what grounds us and what centers us and what really is
going to be that how do I would call it that propelling factor? I've been in a community and ensure the story
recently outside the Seattle area in early on when Boeing was in need, actually even in early 80's when Boeing was experiencing layoffs and so
forth and other companies were. One thing that always said our communities apart. And that was the quality of
our schools particular, on the east side in Seattle, the Seattle schools, the quality of the schools were very attractive, which inevitably lead to of much more diverse
workforce. Because the focus was on. How to maintain and support the Exceptional
quality education possible. So even as Boeing's struggled, Microsoft new company moved in. Amazon. A new company HQ
one moved T-Mobile later, moved in a number of other startups. Starbucks became household name and those
companies settled that area. And when you got to have a opportunity to visit with leaders in those companies, the single reason they cited repeatedly. For their move and
to begin what became global enterprises was the quality of the schools. And so I think referencing Tim Cook, our Apple CEO. I think that we are
at a crossroads here in Fairfax County. We have a community that's impacted with federal contracts. Federal workers. The impact of many
decisions around us. And yet we still have a choice. About the quality of our schools. And it's at a time such as this that it's most important
to invest in that because it is the reason that we're going to attract a more diverse. Companies and a more diverse.
Revenue source county because it's true. We cannot continue to have a disproportionate impact on residential homeowners. There has to be a
more balanced commercial revenue stream and the key to that is the school system. It's been that key, rather. It's been in the Silicon
Valley area, the Seattle area or here in Fairfax, Virginia. That's the economic engine that will drive our future in this county. And while it may be intuitive to cut back at
such a time is the wrong decision? It's always been the wrong decision and always will be. It is time to invest in our schools. So when thinking
about that? Fairfax County said a long tradition, a long line of taxpayers made that investment and many of our community members no longer children in schools. And
it's as important for community members without children in schools currently as it is for those with children because it is the quality of our community that's improved one. Our
schools maintain the tradition of excellence. When I think about again, just sharing a couple slides. Kevin, please. One of the things that I think
we're very proud of here in Fairfax County is the ratio of central management. Again, very low compared to RPO our peers. Our class sizes currently. Sort of in the
middle. And when you think about that 3rd, 6th and 4th class sizes are something that may become a topic depending on the budget transfer
decisions at this time and currently as a as you can see, we rank 5th out of 8 when we look at all levels. Comparing
beginning teacher salaries. It's important to note 79% of our educators have a master's degree. So we only have 21% of
our teachers that are a bachelor's degrees. So we did run those numbers for this evening. But the vast majority 79% have a Masters. We look
what excellent stripes and this is a day to slide that came recently out of our goal. 5 report in every single category. 79%. Overall of fcps
students enrolled in college within 16 months of graduating. We are not only exceeding the commonwealth percentages, but every other division in northern Virginia.
Those are the results that happened when we invest in our schools. When we invest in our schools, we have welcoming schools in particular to our
military families where you have almost 14,000 military connected youth and our military bases are part of the economic engine. In this area as well as the contracts. And
we continue this work since 2018. We've expanded our Purple Star schools significantly to the next 2 years, having 100% of our schools. This is work that happens when we invest in our
schools. When we think about capital improvement and program planning. It's unfortunate right now as we look at our funding for these projects and often we have to
dip into our operating fund cover probe project costs urgent. I think of elevators. Some projects around air conditioning and cool it because when where and and
over 40 year renovation cycle. Systems break down and we don't have a choice. We can open school with partial systems running. So the total 10 year requirement, 5 year
requirement, a really significant in terms of unfunded needs exceeding a billion dollars. If we were actually 2. Go back to a 25
year renovation cycle. It would total the annual funding would need to be 1.4 billion to maintain the 25 year renovation cycle. That's what happens when we invest in
schools. The capital funding per square foot that we shared in our cip document again of the 8 public school system
survive. We run ranked last with a funding per square foot of $8 and $0.54 the average funding per square foot of school divisions shown as $21
and $0.80. It would be an additional 195 million per two-year bond, a referendum.
To have even a median ranked system in this area. With over 28 million square feet and over 8.7 billion in assets. That's a significant amount of
money. We have to recall as well that the Fairfax County government has 12 million square feet, which is less than half of the square feet.
We're maintaining at the same or a show of funding. In thinking about the budget summary. I don't need to continue repeat this. I know that's a board. And those
watching the document is posted the numbers are there. A reminder about the current county budget div decisions
that have been made on the county side that actually do impact our schools. And then the state budget update. We're still waiting to hopefully
have our governor sign the current General Assembly conference report. This did provide an additional 28.0. 3 million, including some unease
toward a onetime $1000 bonus. And these dollars were hopeful. This 28.3 million will come. And we're hopeful that the governor will sign
up. reminder about J Lark and the state funding. I think we continue to hope that the assembly will see its
responsibilities and make these right. And then the just want to do brief reminder of where we sit in the Masters lane beginning celery and
what's at stake in terms of the full funding of our transfer. If we were to be fully funded, it would clearly place us in a tentative frank
of number 2. And I'm not sure burden if this would change because the surrounding regions of agreed to salary increases and I believe have
been fully funded. But their counties so he may or may not lend us a number 2, I don't know. Ms Burn. You have update on that. Yeah. I mean, at this
point what presented here is the fiscal 26 proposed beginning. Salary is what >> they included in their budget. to the best of my knowledge, at least Prince
William and Loudoun, I think, are completed and they're fully funded. so it should stay here. And I mean, somebody could do something at the last minute. And because
that's what Prince William did there we were number one o had hoped to be number one for fiscal 26. But at the last minute, Prince William dropped
in 6,000 and you can see that. On onto their beginning in May step one. And that propelled them about Thank you. Miss Burton.
>> So next slide, the impact of the county and state budget and are projected gap continues to range anywhere anywhere between 121 to
149 Million. >> And again, this funding gap does not include the 7.7 million in county agency reductions that also impact Fairfax County Public Schools.
So as we look at this list, these are the areas that Fcps does. In fact funded topic
areas at greater rate than so cues are the standards of quality or that are funded at all. In some cases by the
Commonwealth. So indeed, we are at a crossroads. And I think that this evening's conversation going pop the next one. This evening's
conversation really is probably the last major conversation we're going to have on the budget prior to hearing what our transfer will be. And prior to finalizing
our budget for fy. 26. So the next steps on the screen, I believe the Board Supervisors is in the middle of a public hearing this evening and the
following dates are on the screen and have been consistent. at this point, that is the presentation this evening. This is Anderson, the
team here or I are happy to take questions know board may be their comments. You have to make as well. Thank you, Doctor. E if this time we're
going to go ahead and kick Heizer. ff with Miss Sizemore >> Thank you and good evening, everybody. Thank you for presentation and for your time. I just want to start my remarks by first thanking
staff. Follow your hard work, Dr Reedley in the end, the budget team Matthew Dallas. And Marty, of course, for all your hard work on the budget on answering the budget questions and just really in
these very challenging times working to maximize what we can do for schools and students, teachers and staff and keeping the students at the center. So I appreciate
hard And the reality is that we are agree with your statement, doctor, right across roads here. I county has not only come to expect excellent schools, but county's economy and our
state's economy are dependent on having excellent schools for the long-term health of our economy and our democracy decided we've got continue funding that I though, Board
of supervisors have been strong partners and Education, Arne or state delegation from Fairfax are strong partners education. And I hope that they will see that then times
we're not sure what's going to happen. The federal government would also has been are contracting. We've got to do what it takes to businesses here and diversify economy. And we do that by having in my
business is a reason to come to Fairfax. And that's often the excellent So I really hope that we can do that because at this point and walk to half official, we are already I
think it's going to difficult to find more efficiencies in the numbers that we need to make up these gaps about really. Potentially impacting programs that make Fairfax
what Fairfax's the actions that we do to be on the state minimum requirements, including our music and arts everything that we do here. And I think our community ready of kids in school not only benefit from our schools,
they benefit from the 500,000 events that we have community events that take place, no schools or the community centers when you look at the ratio central office staff to
building stock at 1.1%, it's the next close. This is all right. And a 2.2%. work very hard to reduce our educator turnover. But we can't
maintain competitive, sounds that I'm just expecting cause can be hard to continue to maintain. And we really cannot continue with facilities. Had a 42 year renovation cycle
major maintenance backlog. I hope that we find a way for the state to truly address the shortcomings from Janmark and the unfunny. A special education, I hope will continue to get. Our commissioner the county budget
keep our schools excellent to try that economy and businesses here. And I'm hopeful our Board of supervisors on a strong partners with and public education recognize that
teachers need at competitive because without our excellent teachers, can't have exit school. So thank you, everybody. record the conversation. >> Thank you, chair. Fresh.
>> Thank I had the pleasure of speaking at the Board of Supervisors this afternoon. About the budget during the public hearing. And while there I did get to hear some
members of the community complaining about fcps. So when we say that excellence is at a crossroads, I think it's worth the finding what that excellence is. And so we've talked a little bit about the
lack of support from our state partners. That is the same average of other states. Despite that lack of sufficient support. In the past 2 years, the school division is increase the
number of students in preschool program so much. But the number of kids in our school system without preschool has dropped by almost 10%. Over the last year, multilingual students
have progressed year-over-year by even more impressive number with the percentage those meeting, the state standard for progress toward English language proficiency, increasing by 11%. Reading.
Reading by 3rd grade in the last year. Our numbers are up. Algebra by 8th grade. We've increased again by almost 10% in the last year to 58%. 85%
of our students are taking advanced coursework in high school. And passing their AP exams. RHP scores are higher than the state average higher than the national average or
act. Scores are higher than the state average and the national average college enrollment. We leave the state in the nation again, especially in critical demographics like economically
disadvantaged students, multilingual learners and students with disabilities. We numbers of other school divisions. And so I think it's
worth pointing out. That we need resources to continue this great work. That's focused work. Anybody who tunes in to our school board meetings week after week month
after month sees that we are methodically measuring the progress towards our strategic plan goals. That's what we're focused on. Meeting the needs of the students. And those
needs are more complicated. Every single year. And they are deserving of the resources to meet those needs. Because if we don't, we know that there are all sorts of tertiary expenses that come
along with not meeting those needs societal expenses that are far more costly than the 31 $100 per student that we're asking for an additional funds from the state just to be
average. So I want to thank our budget team for the work they've done to get us this far. Thank my colleagues for extent, you know, engaging in this extended conversation and thank all of our educators out
there who deserve the 7% raise that collective bargaining agreement stipulates. just how much we appreciate the work they've done 2 it allow us to
talk about the progress that we've made over the last several years. I see no other
placards. Mr. Dunn. Well, I appreciate that. All the work that's been done by the budget. He men and our school board budget leads. I think we
face critical crossroads for all the reasons that particularly on the slides. And I think we have to face the fact that the federal
government right now and maybe reducing support rather than increasing support. And we also have to be realistic about the increased 8 support. We can expect with the current tax structure of the
Commonwealth. We're not going to get 568 million dollars and this year next year. But we can certainly advocates strong and we should continue to advocate strongly for the state to pay its fair share
because when it doesn't and the federal government under fund education, then we pay higher property taxes as a result. And so if the federal and state governments actually pay their fair share, we would
have lower property taxes and likely more more affordable housing. But we also have to look at look at our own operations and say how can we act strategically 2 to
transform this dynamic, right? Where and facing a Gordian knot and we can try to untie it or we can take a sword and sliced through it. And when I look at, for example, the
capital assets, we have to look at available office space in our county. We established a new school Thales upper. >> And it's been operated successfully for 20 years. I
believe converted office building. We have to not be attached to the sites of our existing schools but say where can we locate schools that in partnership with developers
and with the county or both, we might achieve efficiencies and be able to get, you know, assets at at at discounts, right? We can do its changes.
We can do other things to to further address our capital asset requirements in the same with the whatever funding we receive at additional from the county in the state, which
right now we're into sped receive a 275 million that that's not nothing. That's that's a lot money coming out of pockets of Fairfax County
taxpayers who pay 70% of our school budget. And in in this scenario, we have to be strategic and say, where should we invest that money? And we have teachers and support staff who the data
shows and the date is not perfect. But the data shows that our teachers and support staff are underpaid relative to market. And that's where we should be investing our money because it's great teachers,
great support staff in our day least and our public schools who provide the daily excellence, the difference in educational outcomes. And that's what I will be advocating for where we should invest. The dollar we receive,
which may not be every dollar we want but will be every dollar we have that we have to be strategic. How we make those investments to make the most difference and being able to attract and retain great
teachers, talented educators and support staff who make all the difference in our the people who interact on a daily basis with our students and
our families. Thank you. Dr. Anderson. Thank you. >> Just very quickly, I just
had one question. Can you put up slide 16 back up, please.
>> Thank you, Miss Pardon, would you be able to share? The comparative data for teachers who have bachelor's degrees. >> What is the current ranking and then the potential
ranking? If everything works out as proposed? And we can get that for you. And the reason we don't concentrate on
the bachelors is I know. Yeah, I 78% still had one one we do fare better at the bachelor's line. I think we're at near the top. I don't know if we're at the top. We not be with the
7%. We're second right now. What does that would probably propel us to first with a bachelor's degree plan but everybody kind of compares
masters. And, you know, part of it, too, is that all the education programs in the Commonwealth had moved to a 5 year Masters. So many graduates come out with a Masters. So that's 5. This is
the one that we use. I definitely understand that I I want us to have the most prepared teachers possible. >> Respectfully, we have 21% of teachers without batch with
bachelor's degrees you know, we're inviting more with ATF A's who have a bachelor's degrees. Teacher trainees who don't have necessarily the masses to grace. So what I know this is, you know, the
the gold standard, we still have. A number of teachers who fall into the batches category and that information is important. Also disclose. So thank you. And just to
reiterate, you were second currently. That's that also work for beginning middle and end of career or because I know we have a little bit of
dissonance between where a teacher and the massive scale may be the mass at master's level may be on the scale. Is that similar? really similar
in that I think were 7th of 8 at the midpoint in the Max for the Masters math. You may know where we are in bachelor's. >> Yeah. I just want to clarify that. The quote that
for second right now is at the starting teacher salary someone with a bachelor's. So we don't have the midpoint data handy for bachelor's degree just again since it's
such lower number of teachers that we have. It's not a focal point that we do when we do those compensation studies. But we can certainly get it for you. So I can only give you the answer for us. The starting part, not the
midpoint of the max. >> OK, we could just get that because 21% is still a good number of people. I know I saw Missus, Solomon, what what is
that? 21% about teaching force. What does that mean in terms of actual numbers? 50
people or 1000? OK, thank you. That's very helpful.
>> Yes, I just came from the county government center where it was the first day of public hearings. There was first a public hearing about the meals tax, one about the tax rate
and then the General public budget hearing, which is expected to continue on for several hours. That was not a set end time, which is tough because I know some teachers race there to be. They are
right after school when things started for and that he was startle 5 and students. But it was good to see people there and lets people supporting one another. I 2 buckets of
questions and things I'd love for us to discuss love to hear from Dr One of them is. This question about how much facilities cost us in our general fund and operating
budget. So that's one bucket. The second actually this history. The second thing is about the collective bargaining process. With the 7 per cent agreement. There's
really only 2 options, either it's funded or it's not. I think the board needs to understand what the not version is. So not asking for. What would you reduce or
whatnot? But does that collective bargaining agreement just go back to the table is the budget passable. Do we have a staffing issue like that is something I think
this board and the public need to understand just the process of that. And then also the federal funding. What's really coming at us? At this point
and what are we planning for? And then the rest of my stuff, all all save about the tenor of this point in time. So again, questions about facilities and funding. So,
for instance, and we have a budget question. Question number. 45, I believe that asks. About the purchase of
this building, the lease it says, you know, the Board of Supervisors paid 45.8 million on 1/27/2005. And as I understand it, it seems that
we are being funded from the Board of Supervisors to then pay the Board of Supervisors. The debt service. And so can you explain. About? How the
debt service figures in repaying that out of general funds or things like when we approve a playground like we did last week or a new track is that from operating funds or is that from capital funds?
Because the thing I want to distinguish is are we using our annual operating budget, which is supposed to be focused on instruction on
these capital projects? Thank you, Sir. Mister Since 2005, the GateHouse debt service >> Are those coming from the debt service fund here or
operating fund our capital dollars. It comes from the operating fund but is transferred into the construction that the and but think it originates with us
and not capital bonds right? Yes, okay. So that would be the answer for gate as it comes out of our general operating fund budget, which otherwise could be expended towards instruction, teaching
and learning and so forth. Well, so that's a big deal. Yes, even with a fantastic interest rate of those previously refinance as recently as 2022. We are using
instructional dollars to pay the Board of Supervisors back on debt service. That seems like a big problem. And something that we must figure out. But now at least we know
that can you share about the playgrounds? The tracks things we approve. Not part of the capital improvement plan.
Playgrounds and tracks. I know. Go ahead. It. know. tell you the truth. I have all of your questions that you see
answer. But it is an 8 page document with a really small font. So I can't go over that here tonight. >> But we'll be glad to answer all those in writing
>> I would like us to to know. I'd like everyone to know. This is a question. And I'd like for other board members
to be able to talk to. That's very impressive Lee S yesterday. I just got like an
hour ago said and so to touch on some of your questions. I mean, I really think it's a mixture of the 2, right? And so when we think about things like >> you know, recently we've
been bringing bringing non ADA, compliant playgrounds of JTA complies with year in funds rate when the board votes to do that. That's money coming from the operating fund but in other instances, you
know, we may be using construction fund money for, you know, something similar to that. And it just kind of depends on process by which we go about voting on it bring it
to you. So again, that's one example where the operating fund is being used. But but certainly that's not the only way that it can be done. I again, I I think that. Because
it's kind of mixed nature. It's hard to. Talk about each specific instance without kind of, you know, going through the whole document. But but we
can certainly kind of give you idea, you know, one way or the other on some specific things. If you want without kind of necessarily. Plowing through the whole whole thing and
taking the full 2 hours. This meeting >> Well, let me let me I think in General Matthew's, right. I mean, the money kind of comes
from multiple sources when its planned and part of the cip when something is part of a formal renovation project, then capital dollars are used for playgrounds or equipment.
That type of thing. But we have. Such a long renovation. Cycling over 40 years that there are times students enroll in schools that don't have an ad accessible
playground. We can't not support that student or that school. So then we'll have to depend at that time often to operating fund dollars to
remedy a situation that's in a more immediate form because it's not going to be a school that's going to be eligible for renovation for quite a little while, right? So it's
really been I think the operating fund often gets tapped for emergent issues that are not part of a formal recycle are not recyclable. formal renovation. A lot of
our elevator issues recently. They're in schools that are not slated for renovation for quite a while, but we can't wait to not have the elevator work until the renovation come
so this a long gated renovation cycle has created more of a need to dip into dollars whether it's at year
end the ordering the year that otherwise could go to teacher salary classroom instruction and so forth. So, Matthew, did you have something to add?
>> Yeah, and maybe this helps in some way. So on our our construction firm stand, you can also see the funds coming to the construction fund from the school operating fund. And so like I can tell you, you know, over the years, you
know, back in Fy 20, the actual amount that the school operating fund contributed to the construction fund was 12.4 million dollars. For instance, that number has of the fy. 25
revised budget is 20.2 million dollars. And you know, you can see the magnitude kind of from that way. And it was actually higher in Fy. 23, 25.5
million. But again, when you think about, you know, the 230 million dollars in bond sales, and then, you know, the roughly 20 million dollars that we have there. You know, that just helps give you a
kind of an order of magnitude. Coming up in a comeback. Well, I'd love opportunity and some other 2 questions. Please. >> And would be great if we could have it or discussions
and where all for timing stopping for that. But you're mother to questions, though, we're about the If the 7% is not met, what is logistical
process of that? And really what's happening to prepare for any kind of federal funding cessation? So we're watching the federal funding
accounts. And again, we have federal funding that comes in the form of grants that are competitive and grants that are not. but we're keeping a
close eye on those and making sure that we're thought fully planning a softly as we can. And I think we'll miss Burton has said several times. It's
it's very difficult. 2 have a clear plan with the federal dollars because there's so little detail and really almost no one answering the phone that has any
information. When you call for clarification. So we're planning based on. You know what we read in the news primarily. so having said
that, the funding that we've expected in our major grants title, one ADA in our food nutrition have continued as we would expect. So without
interruption. With regard to collective bargaining at this point until we know what the county transfer is. I'm not going to speculate on what we may or may not consider for
not fully funded been we there is a clause within the original board resolution authorized collective bargaining as well as in the bargain itself that there is a
We would go back to the table to discuss wages and salary at that time. And I don't want to speculate about what that could lead to. One of my
questions. How does that impact the budget, the passing of our budget if we have to go back and bargain? Well, we'll have a very short time to bargain. We've already have tentative meeting scheduled.
Should they be required and we'll have to go to the table with whatever information about whatever money is transferred in whatever moneys the governor does or doesn't sign. There are a lot of variables still. And then all
need have a pretty quick turnaround to bring a budget to you on Thursday night, I
believe May 8th. Just one comment on what you know. Talk to me as you stated any of my grave concern.
>> Into such short period of time. You know, we have. that. In as much we need to be hoped for. For for funding by county
Board of supervisors. At the same time, we need to be prepared for huge cuts. That we have to do with. a board
not having that opportunity. You have to guess until until you propose you'll find a budget. A public will just one work session you might get. may be too late for the board
to provide the meaningful input. In t to next year's budget. So that's one comment. Second, I eat thinking about what? and ask about Kate. Also
ministration are eating purchases. It was about back in 2005. I'm Nicole that my recollection is this at the
you want to do in a school board, wanted to get out of work with the beard which went in the Fairfax City with a smaller video we in and at the time looking at both, looking at, you know, initially when
looking at. Renting leasing the space and this became a and that we we we compare it.
Renter cost. Versus equity should cost. For to be a boon for us to acquire guess. Alright, we have a couple
funding that we didn't have with which you then have the only way to acquire. it was a through E Bond with the help from the colonies in a county board of supervisors at the
time. When you talk about money coming out of instructional part said we want if we were to the the money was going to come on action from the anyway. So we,
you know, board only those numbers. The board decided he was white or to purchase then need stand. The son space
where? Hopefully that helps a bit. >> Okay. So we're going to move to go back, I think Mr.
Jackson, I think we're gonna keep it at 3 minutes for now. And then will tighten up if we need to to do that, Mr. Dunn. >> Dr Reid, I heard you say
something about class sizes. Can you please elaborate on your comments? During your opening remarks? we Kevin, you
want to go back to the class size slide. Please. >> So I was essentially referring to the fact that
Fcps ranks 5th of 8. And that elementary school 3rd middle school, 6 and high school for us. >> But did you implying that if we don't receive full
funding, then class sizes will necessarily increase in size? >> It's one of the things that could if you go back to the que chart on, I believe, slide
16. 18, sorry. It's one of the topics class sizes on the left side. They're off of medical. Examples where Fcps exceeds
minimum state standards. So any one of these topics, as we discuss multiple times are plausible are possible.
>> Topic areas where we're going to have to make some budget decisions. >> And what scenario would you choose? Larger class sizes versus, for example, route reduction and school-based
office staff for technical business and educational specialists. >> Don't have a scenario currently. I'm just saying all of these our possible or a plane.
>> I would just like to register that I I will oppose under any circumstances and the increasing class sizes. I think our classes are large enough as is. And I think
there are other options on the table. I appreciate your time Dr. You, Don, you know, balancing commercial and residential revenue because we
face a situation where >> some of our neighboring counties have a large number of data centers. And so they have significant revenue. They generate from that and Arlington County has significant commercial office
space. Second, you know, drive significant revenue from that source. Unfortunately, Fairfax County's a largely residential county. So we do need to explore as a county and that's
not a school board issue. But certainly we can support any projects that seek to provide new revenue to the county outside of higher property
taxes in terms of, you know, budget decisions just like to understand if we do not receive full funding and you receive, let's say that the current amount is 175 million
dollars additional from the from the county. The state you have proposed an across the board pay raise. What would a make you decide and across the
board pay raise of below 7% versus fulfilling the terms of the CBA which call for 7% pay raise just for teachers and support staff who are
bargaining unit members. >> So I want to be clear that I haven't proposed a plan. I proposed budget it's a statutory requirement that I
provide a needs-based budget that this board then approved, which became the advertised budget. And it's that budget that includes a 7% across the board. Raise. some other plan,
its budget as it's currently written. So to be clear about that, secondly, I am not this evening. Going to bargain outside the bargaining process
to discuss what I may or may not do with the bargaining agreement. That would not be a prudent decision on my part. So at this point, it I going
to wait till see what the county transfer is. And then abide by the collective bargaining agreements and the board's resolution and then make a decision about whether
we're going to need to go back to the table or not, depending on that funding. Having said that, I also want to acknowledge for the board and for all those watching this is
a first for this board. The school division in this community to be engaged in collective bargaining. And it's not something that we have great joint collaborative experience with and it's
something we're learning as we move through it. So we're going to have these moments where we want to do acts. But then we're for when this new space and we're going to have
to move into the wind direction. So I just want to also make sure that I'm true to the process and we all know every one of us, the board,
the staff the Union leadership want to make sure we have integrity and that collective bargaining process. So any I think that's the best answer I can provide at this point
about him. Thank you. I do think given. >> Needs-based budget looking at where are the needs in terms of employees who are
paid below market, the data we have shows that's in our school-based employees or teachers and support staff. And so I would strongly encourage and taking whatever
funding we receive additional from the county in the state, investing in those employees to make sure they're paid. At least the at market and if they can be paid above market
all the better because we want to make sure that Fairfax County is the destination of choice among all the employers in this region for the best
and brightest, whether their school counselors or teachers or cafeteria workers. We want to make sure those people are coming here staying here and supporting our students and the classroom every day of the
week. >> Appreciate hearing that. And I think we all agree that we want exemplary educators. I also want to make sure that as I look at other school bay
staff who are not part of such as our principles, our system principles, the SS is the essays we need. Excellent school-based leadership. Across the board as well. And
I would argue, as we've looked to that there as principals moves to the arc of their career. There are other divisions in the region that pay better. And that's why we've lost some of our experience. Principal side won
it. always think about and balance the needs of all of our employees as we meet the needs of all of our students. So
>> it's a complex task right now. And any time we have fewer resources than we have needs, I think we're going to find ourselves in a situation that requires really some critical and thoughtful
problem solving side. Appreciate the dilemma we're >> Yeah, I agree. We need to be strategic and certainly we don't want to leave everyone out, but we can't solve every problem. And every year it just as with the school
boundary review, we're not going to solve every problem that exists. We're going to focus on the ones that are most critical now. And then later on at a future year address the other problems
that may exist in with principles. can adjust that next year and focus on teachers and support staff this year. Mystic's it.
>> Thank. Thank you, Doctor Beach for you. This. They will opening session was very impressive to hear all about the come the company's word of the part of Senate gone. And I
just say, though, Silicon Valley of the the Pacific, I wanted address couple of things. I hear a bank leak also said different discount is not generating enough
called the Commercial revenue. And this is has to change come come, come beating that neighboring counties which have 5 or more commercial
space, avenue and via struggling at and we cannot keep increasing the rate out. The taxes on our our citizens, our property tax. So it's definitely it's something as a
county, we have to think about how big an increase their revenue. And I'm not saying, you know, that we have to how big the casino, but I'm just
saying to has to be other ways to do it. also we really wanted to see if we can, you know, get some of them. You tax funds over to a school in job. You know, fully that's
gonna come >> You know, let's see. >> But I do that every single employee who was working fcps contribution to our students
and their success. And even if it's a bus driver takes them to school art teacher in the classroom assistant I a principal assistant principal. I know that the more hot meal,
very hard-working group as well. So I feel like all deserve raise. And anybody who works Fcps should should the
honor to have them. So I want to support each and every employee CBS commitment to the school and the county. The request for the county would
be to really consider this because like you said to one of uncertain situation Miami and right now there's a lot of impact opting on households.
have the funds and they definitely can, you know, put it that they use for school. And I definitely want advocate for our middle school, after-school programs and
other programs which are being proposed to cut because that is not OK, that's those programs need Iran. So I'll stop here. from the other talk
a little bit, my health of the Potts. Thanks. Dr. Anderson. Thank you, Matthew, just a little while ago, you talked
about moving funds from the from the operating budget in order to cover some construction or >> not construction but renovations. Some of that work.
>> Can you speak a little bit, too, in recent years when we've engage in that practice, what have we not? >> Taking care of if we're moving funds out of the operating budget in order to
take care of the elevator, what has not happened? >> You know, they can name a saying, but I will say that over the last. Number of
years, I don't know if it's decade may be your last. Number of years. I guess I'll leave that there. I think there have been years we haven't step increases for staff. There have been years
we haven't done a percent across the board increase. >> I don't think that's my question. Has the 9th Ward. We don't we make these changes. Let's take the elevator question. For example, we
already had the budget was ready made and then it was found out over the summer that we had a love. 8 ERs I know was a justice. It wasn't added. Allen was one more school that's escaping me that they're elevated were not
working. So you had to pivot and deal with that emergency. And so you use funding for that. Where did that funding come from? It had to have come from someplace because the budget was already determined
at that point. So I'd have to >> refer to Miss Burton terms of where dollars. I think much of these came at year end. Yeah. So it's probably exactly unfilled positions which isn't
ideal because we want to fill our teaching positions. But I think the dollars, for example, being paid to pay off gate House would be in the
budget. So those would be in as an alternative to other things. It would be ongoing funds. So then when we're dealing with emergencies, that typically just comes out of
your end. >> And I think I know the answer to this question, but I would love for you to put a finer point on it. What flexibility that we have with your in funding in terms of.
Your marking them for. I guess I'm trying to say how can we hold on to them as a savings? I don't think we are able to.
Generally speaking. All of the year in funds surplus funds. Have to be allocated to specific purpose and which Do
everything we can to make sure that those urine funds are primarily going to items that are one time cost. So that's why you're in lot of times. You'll see safety and security
items. You'll see facilities items because we can't use those funds to to do positions because that has a recurring cost in the next year. So then
we have funding shortfall from the from the start in the next year. So we just that's why you see with your and a lot of things that are one time things because that's really all we can spend that spent
on. So then the question is if we were to have already expended year-end funds, we've you're meant for certain purpose. And and this usually
happens in September because we've moved that from July to September. And in December. We have I don't know. 20 elevators go down and we had to deal with them. Where would
those funds come from to deal with them or are we just unable to? Something like that? icing would be really
expensive. We in the past. What we do is we come back to the school board and asked to access the school board, flexibility, Reserve because that's what that 8 million is for to address. Any
unanticipated items or emergencies that occur during the year that we don't have a funding source for. Thank you for I die completely different. Get about that flexibility reserve. I let my
next question. I guess it's more of a comment and I'm looking for confirmation from you looking at this list that is on slide. 18. One of the things that you said many,
many, many, many times given how we're structured in order to raise significant amounts of dollars. The quickest and best place to do that is class
sizes. Not best. That's not the right way. Just the place where pretty sure I've never said Definitely not best. Definitely not best that. But
you know, any labor intensive industry which K 12 is always very labor intensive with 93 90% of budget being salaries and benefits. Only 10 per cent. Everything else. When
you have a labor intensive budget like that. >> You know, you can tweak around the edges a little bit. If you need to find, you know, 10 million dollars. I mean, the budgets, you know, 4 Billion. You can, you know,
work around the edges a little bit and get 10, 20 and that kind of thing. But 150 Million. It's got to be compensation your class sizes
because that's the only way you get big dollars. OK? Thank you. And the last point that I wanted to make, you know, we just had this conversation is CP, DC Just.
>> Last week it feels like 100 years ago where staff was present heating about projects and a question that I had raised was in the replacement
of HVAC systems like major systems outside of the. Outside of the renovation cycle, which we have to do because a cyclist so lengthy,
it also creates almost a double expenditure because once the school does get up to renovation, if there a little bit outside, then that system
again, that's to be. >> We didn't or read our updated or changed. So we are
not having any benefit by not. Contracting the renovation cycle. And I just thought I wanted to offer that as one more issue that speaks to the
slide. That that was offered earlier. Yes. So I think could be an interesting piece of data to have over how much
money we've spent from the General Fund General Fund operating fund are synonymous that that's true. >> General Fund operating fund and municipalities use General
fund to talk about their main budget school divisions use operate event. >> Thank you. So I think it would be helpful to have a chart that shows what we've been paying, including, you
know, that 12 million in Fy 20 and not make the second. But I think like that kind of data is really helpful for us to know. So from what been
learning, especially facilities is there's really 4 fiduciary entities in the county. There's the county Board of Supervisors, the school board, the Park Authority and the economic
Development Association. And it seems like there's difference processees or ownership. And I don't know if that's the exhaustive list, but it does seem like. They
have places at the table that impact how we're able to do work. So that's something that I would like to learn more about. I also. Wanted to. just
can't you know, I've been trying to share publicly which is a one or 2 conversations with county leadership that if we could get more efficiencies as one system, we could find
money. And today when I was at the public hearing, there are a lot of residents there opposing the real estate tax increase and I don't support the increase either because I do believe that there is money
available on the county side. It might not be readily available, but I think some of that could be. And when I look at this presentation that I believe it was NIS adviser and
Mr. done, it ended with the planning Commission of the county about this process. Call 20 to 32. So this is how you projects get reviewed by
the county. And it used to be that a project up until 2022, a project would take 30 to 90 days for the county to approve it. So that's something this
put this process changed. And instead of 30 to 90 days now, the time takes 220 days. And you cannot tell me that's
saving money. Time is money. And we know the construction costs are constantly escalating. So it's an over 250% increase and improve and approval times. So what I
don't understand is why offer a tax increase when it's clear that there's money to be saved here based on this chains that have been 3 years ago. So that's something that I want
to put out there. And I would love our board tonight could come up with some agreement about what statement and information we want to say
because at the end of the day. Our executive has given her professional opinion on what it takes to run this school system. And for whatever reasons the funders do not
accept that and have not offered to help us find a solution. And that's incredibly sad. Unless we figure out what the plan is to
fill that gap. I don't think we're going to be able to do anything. So I have thoughts on that. But really like a
statement. Can we do that? Mr. Moon. >> So he was never on the responding your cart first 8 months or so. I'm not be home
for in that regard. But since a couple of are seeing a mention about class size. Let me ask you a questions. one what not. Step teacher
petition. They say that teachers since questions remain teaching position teacher positions. What Steve amount budget for one teaching
position. As 120,100 but 11010. About 110 calories. A bit of it, correct? Okay. if
the gap ease. Potentially anticipated potentially 121, 250 million dollars. I mean, you know, not the federal government We don't know what the governor, what legitimacy
actually would do about that. Let's say that if it 100. 2150 million Biden by. 110. This may come by than 1000
positions. More than 1000 positions. 16,000. percent,
70%. enforce. That's been going This video. Not I just want my comics now. The
magnitude of that. And it was as be disclosed to Talk to you once Smith as R-Ohio to right
now. Kenny, even not higher. 1000 teachers. Can we not high 1000 cases at this point
because we're making commitment to people while applying for jobs on less a half. >> Currently, we're not fully staffed for next fall.
>> Because how many, how many are we not? I didn't bring that Okay evening, OK? Because I'm just trying to as we go forward or fall down into they
spring would be hiring more and more filling those positions. So don't even know. What do we have? A lot me letting go of 1000 positions.
>> Yeah. And before. >> 1000 position number gets out in theater. >> just say because class size, yeah, >> would be very unusual if we
tried to handle the entire 150 million dollar cat with class size, I'm confident that it will be a variety of strategies that protect the classroom as much as possible
to use that for you. What I'm tr to say is that's something. >> In fact, the Mopar think that it can be had to do with the class size. One letting
teachers positions go. If we tried to do it. >> All on class size. We would be outside the state is so cute compliance so that. Yeah,
I'm going to be really clear, too, that this conversation, if someone only listens to part of it. >> We are not this evening making any decision or any
plan to move in a direction of eliminating 1000 teaching positions at this time. So I just want to be very clear about that. So I think. The
danger and speculation is that bits of conversations get taken potentially out of context. And I want to be very clear that that I think Mr. Many are also trying to make sure that's part of the
>> So you cut that cannot be a part of the discussion. That's what I'm saying at that. But I'm not going thank you.
Sizemore Heizer. >> Thank you. And appreciate the discussion of a sudden my colleagues and I do think one
second for us. The Senate and I think heard you pause. I think pass be cut out a second want to make her And second for us, we're just turning your volume up. Got it. Thank
you. Sizemore Heizer. Can you just hold on a second? We're having volume issues.
>> like >> This as Mizeur. Can you try again? Yeah. We were having
feedback issues with another Mike. So we have the lowest things. Apologies for that memories when married. Yes, go
ahead. Okay. Thank you. appreciate the conversation and the battle conversation for my for staff as well. And I. >> I wanted to ask not to
read. I think something about, you know, depending on funding we get, we may have to go back to the bargaining that if I recall, could the Biden group that we recently signed have
that contemplated that if but we wanted to be about providing to board, one of things wondering about is that becomes when talked to a stop me to talk to, you know, kind make sure voices are
represented as we're making our budget decisions. I think we need to do everything we can our staff talk about can't have excellent schools from
staff. Dr. It is kind of what you're getting earlier about meeting to make sure that TOPS forces are on this process, which is why a lot of us, I
think support o'clock to 5 in the first place is to give our staff the table. So at table with me. >> Thank you. Miss Sizemore Heizer, right? I think what I was attempting to clarify was
the hat. If there is a clause within the collective bargaining agreement or an agreement that if we're not fully funded, that there would
be a there's potentially an opener that's within the wage section of the bargaining agreement that we've currently signed. It's a limited opener
to wages, but that there is that opener for not fully funded. So my comment was depending on what the county transfer ultimately is determined to be. That may
necessitate a return to the bargaining table for that limited opener to discuss how to resolve that.
>> understand you're saying. And I think colleges importance employees. I also want to make sure that our employees, is a part of this process as grapple with the realities of what may be a
pretty significant budget shortfall from we were hoping for the state and from the county. So I think at this point what I heard from the presentation and please correct me if I'm wrong, is
that lot of things about the s accuser potentially on the table, right? The state has are minimal and that they expect schools to be able to stop to run schools. And in my
understanding, Dr really is that most school systems spend a few billion dollars more than the S for fun to stop schools at levels that schools feel are necessary to function
for the education of the students. Is that correct? >> I don't know if most schools spent billions more of that. Most schools in the Commonwealth spend more. Then
the Commonwealth provides based on the que for sure. And I think each school's context is unique. And here in Fairfax County is it's been mentioned.
Our county actually supports, I believe 70% of our budget here locally. That's an incredible investment in our schools for sure. Yeah. That's what I think it's important to
to lift up. That is it is really appreciated that this that when the state. >> Are the issues the state funding is how will it sets the number if most of the school systems in the state
are spending more than what the states says is sufficient. Top of the school system. really do have to count on a locality to to make up that difference. And it shows what a locking the state funding
is. But we also, I think, need to recognize that the school has been a lot of value to our county as well. And so how do we really make sure operating spirit of one Fairfax where we
are working with our county partners to do what's best for the county and a lot of areas and part of that is making sure our schools are stock to businesses people to our county to keep that economic
powerhouse of Virginia. So thank you for clarifying Appreciate it. Miss Saint John County. Thank you.
>> So first of all, I want to say that. Thank you to everyone that's done this work. And I really want to respect the collect the collective bargaining unit and
not speculate about what we can or can't do here today because I know that there are legal implications for us about discussing any of that and I respect what the work
that they are doing. One thing that I do want to say is that. do support the 7% raise for all staff members as someone
that's worked in the school. There's a lot of people that are not considered school-based after he spent a large amount of time in our
schools. We have our behavior intervention. Teachers applied behavior. Analysts, coaches and these are supports that are called to assist in schools, have used a number of strategies to support students
with behavior, communication or other skills and have had limited success. These coaches come and work with the teachers and the support, the students until they get to where they can with a student.
Some of our centrally connected staff like physical therapists, occupational therapists and speech language providers provide services directly to schools on a daily basis and maybe a Tener Inc because they support more than
one school. Well, the staff above what the Stinson teachers. We also have various educational specialist from Central office that come out directly to the schools of
particular points mean our multilingual specialists that helps support and bill capacity to serve our students of the most effective matters. Parent liaisons language,
interpreters, equity leads these AL Central Office positions. And so I think there's a misnomer that because you in central office, you're not in schools. The majority of our central office
people are in schools are providing immense support to our schools. Our HR department is hiring and vetting all of these teachers to make sure that we have great teachers
and great staff. So. Although I cannot talk about collective bargaining, I can say that all of these people are doing the hard work every day and deserve those races. The other
thing that I would like to say is that. Again, I said this before nominees, the same language we can speak dollars and cents all we want. But during this climate, the issue
of a free, inclusive public education becomes a moral imperative. That address is the very foundation of democracy. We don't know when investment in the education of
our children is a promise and hope for a better future. It is an investment in our community and demonstrates that we value the importance that education plays as a course toward democracy. And
it is time for one Fairfax to be more than just lip service. Mr. Fresh. Thank Want to circle back to something as
Mayor Andres, just for clarification. >> There was a discussion about gate House as the example of the fees that we pay for the loan of a structured over time. And I think Mister Moon was trying
to explain the history there, but I think Miss Mary can correct me if I'm wrong. But I think what this man was getting at is why on Earth are we paying fees? For something to the people who are
facilitating? You know, that work. It's similar to the conversations that the board has had about the extended time zoning changes and
permitting in our school system, knowing that. The delays only costing us money, which is the money that they've provided us. So it's, you know, anything we can do to mitigate. Those types of
fees. And that's not to say that there wouldn't be a fee associated facilitating work for us, right? They still have staff who have to do things. But we should be minimizing those things if it all
possible emanating them. So I support any efforts that we can do to address that, especially in the work that we're going to be doing with the joint committees in the
year had on the collective bargaining front. I want to be very clear that I support the budget that the board adopted. I support the resolution that
the board adopted allowing for collective bargaining, which basically said we empower the superintendent to engage a process of collective bargaining interest-based
bargaining with our certified associations, certified unions and that they will. Hopefully come to agreement on a on a bargaining agreement. The board will vote yes or no on
that. That is where we weigh in. And that process. We say yes, we say no. We said yes. And now we are committed to that path. And as part of that
path, if we get to a point where we are not able to meet the obligations of that agreement. We've also given direction. The superintendent will initiate bargaining through her team with the
bargaining units to try and find an alternate path to agreement. That is on them. Our next step in the process. There. Is to say yes or no to
the solution that they come up with. If we have an issue with the solution that they've come up with, you can vote no, you can also in the executive
limitations conversations we have throughout the year. You can say I did not like the approach to reaching consensus here in the superintendent can say, well, here's why we had to do it that way, right? That's how we engage in this.
And it's different than we've done in the past. collective bargaining is a different world for everybody in the system. Not just the employees who benefit from it. It's different for us as well as
policy makers. Okay. We're going to the next round of go back. So we're going to go to. >> 2 minutes for this one. Mr.
Dent. >> Mr. Burton, how how? Funding what it required to
provide the 7% rate raise 2 areas to few members.
>> At 190 million to 10. >> and I see that the the gap from between the 297 million that was requested and the
proposed budget and what we anticipate receiving from the county and state is 122, means we're receiving 175. Is that
right? I don't know. I have to look at my numbers. It sounds right. Yeah. That assumes that
we we'll get the 28 million if governor signs off on budget. The governor came back with the budget amendments already right? Yes, but the General
Assembly overrode him and he's got 30 days to decide. Okay. I don't think he's said he's not going to of the 20 million to us that as you any public
indication. No, but he. The ended this support cap piece, which is the bulk of the 28 million, 20 million of it I think was the support cap.
>> And he pulled that down. To 7 or 8 Million. I think. It reduced a reduced by 12. Me.
>> Assuming we get the 28 million that were at 175. So 125 difference between 990 is 15 million or so. So I was
really happy to hear that. You said earlier that if you need to define 10 or 20 million 4 billion dollar budget, probably could. So as as that happened in the past where
you've had to find 10 or 20 million and a 4 billion dollar budget for other priorities. Increase. But, know, I mean, we that. >> I've only been here 7 years
and the first 5 years we've got essentially full funding for all of those years. It's only this year. And that, you know, the numbers really large
compared to other years. >> But last year, you proposed 300 million dollars. We didn't get 300 million dollars extra last year. But last year. Kind
seems like so long ago. And I think we took 2% right off that I think we had to cut likes 60. >> 70 million that we took 2% right off the top and that so that provided about
60 Million. All right. Thank you. This mayor. >> Okay. So again, I'm trying to get to like what are we doing
>> here's where I'm at. You know, the facts of the matter are that the transfer amount that the county has provided has gone down percentage wise
over years. And that chart is somewhere the county does not show an appetite for helping to figure out a solution for the problem. That is a shortfall. I don't. I'm
perplexed at why the county board is gambling with the best thing there is about this county and its economic engine. So can we say that, you know? We need to have the
same amount of transfer, OK? That's one thing. Is there something we can say about? You know, we did our bargaining. And so that's got to stick just like they did. There's any quips about, well, the school board didn't
include the county board. Well, we are on already and we could spend our money and bargain as we see fit and we welcome their help at this point. Now, since we are where
we are so the the waste of time and money that happens with some of our projects and I guess I'm just distracted because I'm looking at this list of the crossing guards to
be cut from high schools and Oakton High School is on this list. And in 2022 threes students plowed down by a high school student. With a
learner's permit. And now the county is proposing to remove the crossing guard that serves Oakton high school because, quote, this is the justification given only its
defective. The only neighboring jurisdiction where crossing guards are placed at high schools. That's the justification. So I'm trying to say this because I'm trying to understand. How do we try
and partner when this is just so far from Lake? What's really happening in our community and responsibility that our school system
carries. How do we in the next few weeks? I'm holding out hope until May 6. How do we get somewhere that funds the budget that are professional executive has proposed. Can we
talk about that plea as I'd love to hear input? Dr Anderson. OK, thank you. One
of the questions that I had. And this really kind of piggy backs some of the things this man has said is kind of asking for our position. What is our
intention? Clearly, I'd like to think we had a hand and we surging the meals. Tax conversation and now that it's literally knocking on the door potentially becoming a rate
becoming a reality. I would love to get a better understanding in that part of the questions. Not for us. Just just generally, I'd like to get a better understanding of whether or not we could
benefit in any way. Current conversations have not led me to believe that. So I'm wondering this is the part that's for us. What could be how collective position on
that matter. I would love to hear about that because I think there's a space for us to articulate some percentage, out again, not wanting to take
the credit bringing be conversation back up. But we did have a substantial role and that. So that's one. Just
to make sure that I understand clearly the needs-based staffing that was also unpaid 16. That is primarily from title one funds, correct? Why
do we have that coming out of other of other funds? And that's operating fund because the air staffing formulas as staffing standards for classroom teachers that
elementary middle and high have Free and reduced factor. That's that's weighted in. So that schools with high levels of free and reduced receive
additional classroom. Teachers and at the end dishes title one schools per se. But there's still some. And this in addition to the title one schools that's so going thank
you in my last question just because they don't remember and Mister Smith not wanting to put on the spot, but putting you on the spot. Can you just kind of share again the F e U covers which
employee rolls because I know we had long discussions about Pat Lee is on. So I I remember that one. But what other roles
cover? employ types. >> Good evening, everyone. for represents our license instructional employees as well as our operational
employees. And I do remember the board conversations around family liaison. And so there are a portion of our families onto are represented by fpu.
And then there are portion around the 116, I believe in Mr. Solomon Hope now with those numbers earlier tonight who hourly employees and they
are not represented by a few so that that's the breakdown for those in place. >> Thank Is that the same case for any other positions where we have people sitting into
buckets? I'd have to check on that and phone a friend. But I don't believe that we have any other category of employee. >> I think not so much
categories of employees, but it's the wage bans and celery skills that we have. That's my understanding Burnett are both
in F and in. I can't remember a mighty the other name of the other Fcf Fcf PSA.
>> Fcf PSA, U.S. and then the even non represented group. >> They're also sign up to unpack that a little bit for me. Wage bands not Police are
salary scheme. Yeah, it air salary scales. If you look at the unions and what salary skill people are in the if the
EU instructional. It has people in it that are on. They'll be and the teachers scale that the operational has
people in it from the IEA scale instructional. scale the be scaled the C scale, the age scale. H scale is services and transportation. And parent
liaisons that are Ft. Ease. And then you have the alley group, which is the people there on the alley pay scale their 90's. They're not full
time equivalent like a woman went up minute and that if you use so with those individuals be covered by F you are not covered. >> The alley people know.
>> Yes, our employees are not covered by a few. This turn, can. So as we're talking about
all this and you, I I just want you to repeat for general public, Dr Reid about the fact that the school division has been intentional in reducing costs over the past 10 years.
And you had offered that information before. And I'm just asking to repeat it because it's not a sieve. Those efforts haven't been made. >> Thank you, Miss Saint John
counting over the last decade through cost avoidance and efficiencies. The school division has saved, believe it's 858 million dollars over
the last 10 years over the last decade. >> Thank you about And the
student's question. About finding 10 to 15 million dollars, you know, to be able to. In order for us to be able
to support 7%. If we that. that. Alder necessary. it's not even necessary. point.
Although increases data contained. He in lifetimes not be able to support such as contruction increases.
Addition are needs for special education. I was just going through some of these. You know, transportation for some country just months do some to
be quite a few. The items we increased costs, expand this year. That would expected. And that was part of the the the budget ever ties budget. The
board passed back in. Taken February time frame. I'm asking it's not just 10 to 15 million dollars, but they have to be frozen rather than
creased. I'm understanding your question, think with Mr. Rens asking is going back to Mr. Dunn's question originally and I'm not sure >> transfer number was
accurate in that question. But I think the underlying question is if everything that the county. Transfers is used
to just fun dfe you. Contract and we have to still find more money. So that will be enough if it stays at the current level. My still tracking here. Yes, yes, you're correct. And
we saw addition or >> expenditure increase that you expecting and put into skies budget. those include
expenditures would not be what happened. >> I think, too, that scenario that we're speculating about if all of the monies
transferred from the county. And whatever other moneys we would have to find the other 20 million I think and that would all go to the FDU contract. Then you're correct.
There would be no other funds to either pay any contractual increases or salary increases for any other staff members, principals, assistant
principals, cetera, in the Fcf PSA Group or the company presented group as well as the contract adjustment here, looking Mr. Men still likely
have to go back to slide 18 and still make cuts I think to answer your question because we did have contractual increases. There is a cost
escalation to certain expenditures that we have to budget for. And enrollment. But that's when Mr Minced. I mean, think he's got
suspicions occasion to those to special education. >> And were legally in going to And what he think? The question I just asked, just, you know, Mr. Michigans
question, you know, prom to me 2 months, time thinking about those items so
>> Okay. So we're going to a round of go backs. And so can we make sure that we're at 2 minutes. Please. And okay,
Mr. Dunn. Thank I know that. I appreciate that. The figure, 858 million dollars. I have not seeing that any Friday
letters. Our public communications, I searched the Web site. I couldn't find Where where can I find information? can the public find information about the
858 million dollars and cost avoidance that you referenced? >> Thank you, Mr. 9, it's been several power points. So I know that it's a chart and
perhaps Miss Burton has its current location. We can certainly include it in this Friday letter that's a chart that we developed. But all of the items that had been reduced deficiencies found
Costabile ins those kinds of things are all detailed in every single approved budget document in the appendix and it's probably 50, 60 pages and there's a paragraph or every
cat, the number of positions that were cat, the number of dollars that were cat over the last. I think it actually has more than 10 years in the appendix. It goes back to
2009. >> If I search on the Web type in a turning 58 million dollars at doesn't come up. So it's there. So it it's in 50
or 60 pages of the budget. Is there somewhere where someone does them where it you know. >> By year appendix, it's by years. So you could add up all
10 years, 2020 for 2023. and it would equal the 850. That's the basis for that Thomas Byrne. I think what Mr. Dunn is asking and I think it's a good idea is for us to. Put
that slide on the budget page by itself, right? So that people don't have to search for it and the explanation for it to be there. I think some of the really good work we've done has not been as
transparent to our community. And I think putting that on the page with an explanation is what you're requesting. We can do that. That's exactly right. You know, just I mean.
>> I've said before and I'll say again, Fcps is a fantastic school system. But historically has done a poor job of marketing the daily excellence of our schools. And to the extent that Fcps has
been achieving cost efficiencies year over year. If I'm not aware of it, I doubt anyone else in my community is. And and you know, to extend I can definitely dig through the
budget, but can Saudi making these understand referencing may be supporting materials just like if people you trust but verify. Want to go and begin to the budget. Just understand the pages and the
citation so they can do the math on the ground, even though you make it easy for them. I think that would build public trust and then help us too. Make the case that, hey,
we deserve the Baldrige Award, you know, and which are up for right? Because we're making that case 25 page submissions, which I've read and are are good. But but something
simpler for those of us with a lot of free time running around as a parent, you know, being at that tax, your mom taxi at various soccer games
or other athletic events. Okay. So I'm wondering, can we have a statement that says, Kim, you know, the school board? >> Asks that one. A portion of
the meals tax be dedicated to fcps. Ideally perhaps an amount matching the percent transfer. We have not said that as a board publicly. And remember in 2016, I believe it
was. 75% was going to go to the schools. 70%. So that's one asking me agreed to a statement that says we asked that a portion of the meals tax be dedicated to the schools. The second thing that
the proposed 7.7 million in county reductions not be included in their budget. the data. The facts are is that February 18th, the county executive presented the
proposed budget. The county did not yet have our request because I made it 2 days later. So Brian Hill presented the proposed budget with the
money he already intended to give us on February 18th. And then on February, 20th our school board, our school board approved the superintendent's proposal to send that over to
the Board of Supervisors. So it would really be, I reparation of faith and a sign of continued collaboration if they not cut what we weren't
even given the courtesy of knowing about in advance. I think that's a pretty basic level of a working partnership. And then finally, you know, I would like to put
something in a statement that says we ask that super and the Board of Supervisors do whatever they can do to find the money on their side to fund our proposed budget
because we have done the valuation work we have seen the data about our central office costs about our place in the competitive salaries. I have not seen that valuation
from the county. Like I just looked at my Fairfax Park and Rec magazine over the weekend. And there's concerts all summer lover, Free concert. Do we need to and 9 locations this year? Maybe not. What's
the data about who goes to those concerts, how often they are. Could we have a few central? There are things that are going to have to be cut and our teachers and staff are not on the chopping block. So
again, I would love to hear people's thoughts about a statement that includes any one or all 3 of those things. Mr. Into another.
>> Support saying something about abuse use tax. Since since I have a microphone. I'm
a to a request. The Board Supervisors. Que U.S.. Whatever the percentage that is a white person A's in terms of all transfer this to 1.5%.
That's a 15 point. If it was a 15.5%, 51.5% So because at the end of the year. Ye to
suppress unit one funding. You show with use to share with
us. Dr Anderson. >> Just one question. And I guess maybe this didn't dawn on me regarding the timetable
as to when our budget was presented, which was after. That is not normal practice. What is this what we've done
every year? We are our president. Our budget is our proposed budget is completed after the county executive
presents his budget. Is that a normal practice? Always a seeing some sort of anomaly.
It depends. It depends. I mean, usually around the same time sometimes it's we're right after some has were right before They don't use. >> In civic proposes her
budget in January, but they don't use air number anything. They use their number and we react to the whether or not we.
>> No, so pretty much what I think I'm hearing is once we proposed budget, whatever is presented, it's immaterial to what they're going to do.
True. But you have to remember that last year they told us that they were going to give us 75 Million. And then by the time it was all said and done, we got 90 million When did they do that debate? What the
reason why I'm asking is I'm trying to figure out the utility of us completing our budget in that time frame that we provided. If it is then no way being utilized to inform
what the county does and the reason why I'm asking this, it's because I've been to be honest a little bit more than annoyed with the middle school. After school
programming because the ripple effect of not having those individuals in place now has impacted VIP camp and so many other things that. A
reasonable person would think that a conversation would have revealed some of those things and it would have been a more informed decision. What I think I'm hearing is none of
that matters. Is that what I'm hearing? That's a jump in. Please. Well, I I can't.
Again, I don't know what does or doesn't matter too. The county Board of supervisors or county executive in terms of middle school after school activities. >> What I can say as your
accurate, the we found out about that recommendation when that budget was made public and not before. And I think
that Kevin, can you put up the county cut slide, please? I think that it's. I think it's very difficult because those
programs were created for very specific reasons. And those reasons still exist today. The other piece I want the board to known as the 1, 2, 3, 4,
5th line down actually also cancels a VIP can't program. That was one of the board of supervisor. That's one of the county budget decisions to cut
they they the conversation has been very difficult to 13 that actually was cut, right? Because there's some discussion that says we're going to provide the money and it's like, but you aren't you.
You canceled it well and you cancel the collaboration with our staff to planet in February. I believe prior to even the budget coming out. So
it is a little bit hard to be honest when they think man was talkinout the partnership. I do think we have some work to do to better partner
because our students and families and staff are counting on that. And ultimately our community expects it. So 2 quick points. I think the VIP camp has created a lot of chaos because >> we had funded for this
year. But when you don't have the personnel to make it happen. Essentially doesn't matter. This, you know, would impact next year's budget. Having said that, just moving
forward, I would love for us to get a better sense of what does that collaboration look like? Because it is something that is still in around every table thas been when we've had that joint discuss when we
have the joint discussions with the Board of Supervisors, but clearly, I think I could articulate something that I would like to be a little bit more specific. So maybe and
out list of asks that we really specify. What does that collaboration look like? So we can walk away. Feeling heard as part of the budget process because as one of the people
who they fund, it's important for us to have that space because I'd like to think that's what we do here. When you're from when you're getting a budget, you talk to this department that department, this other department to get a really
good sense. I'd like to know that they're capturing our things as well in a matter in which it could actually have input into what they convey
eventually. Yes, ma'am. And I would also add that actually this year and last year we didn't go to the department's and say what would you like to spend it and got our chiefs here. We said we're not going
to >> initiate new programs other than those that connect directly to our strategic plan because we're going to commit our resources to improving salary because we've honestly
neglected that for several years. And we have ground to make up. So we've really tried
to stay laser-focused on that mystic's. It. I'm I'm gonna
continue. This composition of admitted school after school programs >> in a budget town hall, Mr. Burton, you are the 2 that there was a lot of students
asking for a deadlock aiding for it and supervisors. But it was just aching and I know she said I'm gonna take the information and discuss Other
supervisors and and make informed decisions. So that was kind of nice said she was there to listen. >> But then. >> And one of the e-mails I
read from this of the supervisor's office that they're actually being asked by the neighborhood program that the school after school programming should be cut. The
funding should be cut. And the reason was cited is because all we have sports after school sports, Nawaf Middle School after school sports
program is very, you know, a few sports program is as comprehensive as the middle school. Other programming. So we offer in speech and debate and programming and robotics
and so so much more stories have so many you I don't know how that compared and bought one of those the divide this reasoning was given. So I I
just want to share that. community members that that's middle school sports program does not equate to after
school programming and supervisors are maybe questing them to reconsider reconsider this because it's affecting. lot of students who need this.
And as the of advocating for teachers they would like advocafor students and their families still are really counting on us. Thank you.
>> Okay, we are in our final round of go back. So we're going to give everybody a minute because we're going to get staff out of here in time tonight. So Mr. Fresh. >> Thank you. I just want add
on to what Dr Anderson was talking about with the middle school after school programs. Just for some clarity for people make may not understand how the timing impacts that discussion as well. Dre, can
you talk about the timing that's required for the placement of staff for those programs and where that falls in the budget timeline, which
precluded the school division from being able to hold off on that until budgets were finalized. Secondarily, how finding an alternative way of funding, cetera. It's
complicated by the fact that because we're in such tight budget situation, we would have difficulty finding the money if a prediction of
student enrollment in say Needs-based program did not bear out what we committed in funding. In other words. It was a million dollars a more
than we anticipated. We'd have no money to pay for that. >> Thank you, Mr. right now, we really are in a very tight financial situation, any which
way reckoning, Mr. Moon, Mr. Dunn, each of you have raised issues there are competing needs and that we're not gonna be able to meet all of them.
If the transfer isn't fully funded to the point around the middle school after school activities program. We have 26 full-time staff that that program on the county side
funds. If we're not going to be able to receive those funds, which the county budget has stated. Then we have a responsibility to those staff
to give them time to select other positions while they're still open positions. A number of our 26 staff are actually long time. Fairfax County
employees and have rights back to positions that will then potentially create a domino effect because they would have a right back to a different position that someone might be in today who then would have a
right to a position. So it creates the division-wide domino effect, which we can't wait till the first week in May to initiate because the
school year ends in June. So as we reviewed the human resources timeline, we have to give those people that notice prior to a formal budget decision by the Board of
Supervisors just as Brian Hill stated that a number of positions in the county that were cut we I Rehomed isn't
the right wordt a number of positions that where staff are moved and the open positions closed that they stated are already been engaged in that work, which is
the same work we're talking about. It can't wait till after me. >> The question about funding for an alternative approach.
>> the idea that we're going to find money to pay for the middle school after school program when we're really still looking at being able to fund collective bargaining agreements is not likely.
Sizemore Heizer. >> Thank And I appreciate the Got follow. This competition has come up around some of the additional funding that the county provides to things such
as middle class school programming crossing guards. Transitions purpose now and others to the to about 7.7 million, which is in addition to the funding request of
Fairfax County, Public Schools had. I think this is a great conversation about what can we do? Do we we have a joint statement? How do we bring up? You know? Stefanik ideas,
specific ways to have collaboration along the way. So we don't get to point where we are putting out a budget perhaps after the other budget. We're putting a budget
doctor the county's budget is approved. And I think that's really, too. We need to start. A project plan for the budget process in the summer to
really help educate our community about the importance of the schools, the realities our budget I think the years to fullyfunding budget everybody's review. So that's
what's going to be. So I would say that starting next year's process want to start much earlier with sort of a plan on how to lift up what our needs are. So I know my time is up stop there.
>> Okay. So for a statement so far, the input I've heard is a portion of the meals tax. We dedicated to fcps and then relatedly the surplus could
also be dedicated. Proportionally to the transfer rate, which also then could even lead to us just having a cent percentage rate. Who knows anyway, the proposed 7.7
million big auction from the county goes back in. I would also say I've seen communication to the county talking about some sliding scale being proposed. That is not that is not happening.
That's been tried in the past and it didn't work. And again, we're trying to pay teachers so again. So, Stephen, this is portion the Middlesex we dedicated the 7.7 million in reductions not remain in their
budget. a surplus. We could talk about that as well. I can't wait to start collaborating better. I don't think we have the time right now to do that. But we could certainly put that in the
letter here. But week somehow get some consensus on this. I'd be happy to draft a letter for everyone. But this would be an action step. This doesn't get at the big
150 million pieces. But at least it gets us a little bit of something to defend. What
we are charged with defending. Mr. And I think there's maybe hesitancy to sign on to something that's not yet written. But >> I think we could probably nail down something in the
next 24 hours that we could turn into a letter and get out to the Board of Supervisors. Happy to partner with you in the budget team on that and then we can go from there. We can ask colleagues to provide
comments and feedback like we do on other statements. Is that something you're open to? All right. Well, consider your phone lighting up tomorrow for me and obviously board members
will chime in on various elements of it in that process will give them more time to think about those things as well. >> Just go to this and this.
And thank you so much as fun as in a shooting with surplus fund. These concerns school used to. Use the funding for
one-time purposes. could be a major maintenance. Could be a playground something like that, that we were able to do it and then when. Somebody
left the channel is petitioning somebody as Kenyan. >> Sizemore Heizer. Do you
have your hand up again? Just very quickly want to comment this Mr. Precious State about the joint statement. I'm happy to help coordinate that as well. And I'm happy to reach
out to matter, Mr. Freshest as part of the budget team here. I'm happy get out so reaching out to both tomorrow. I will
make sure staff is teed up to review any day to provide any data that. >> Your request. >> And with that, this meeting of the Budget Committee is
adjourned as of 8.30, exactly PM.