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The city council committee on ordinances legislation will be called to order. Today is July 23rd, 5:00 pm. We are in the city council hearing room this afternoon. Good afternoon, clerk. Call the role, please. >> Councelor Kadim, >> here. >> Councelor Canuel, >> here. >> Vice President Dion, >> here. >> Councelor Pereira, >> here. >> Chair Repzoso,

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>> here. Pursuant to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium. Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unpersceived by those present and deemed acknowledged and permissible. Item number one this afternoon on our agenda

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is citizens input. We do have two individuals who signed up today. The first to speak is Colin Das 560 Ray Street. Subject is transportation. Mr. Das, good afternoon. Three minutes. >> Good afternoon. Thank you. So, I'm just here today and um I guess

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I'll start with the fact I'm here for the transport transportation item on the budget. Should be noted for those who didn't um catch the yesterday's meeting of the school committee. the mayor announced publicly that there was some

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sort of deal cut with um the city council or members of the city council to fund transportation and end the 112 budget. We are here today. It's my assumption because there were questions

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about the transportation budget as it was voted on by all members of the school committee, including the mayor, the city, the CFO, and the mayor shifted the numbers around since we've taken that vote,

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made up numbers, cut the transportation budget of the school department, and in my opinion, lied about the school department not giving the correct information. But if you watched the meeting yesterday, it was clear as day. There's been constant

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communication from our side and we gave everything that we have. Now, I guess the money is going to come back to us. So, I guess the question is how does that happen? Granted, I'll be honest, I don't believe

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our our administration on our school side really has been the best at communication this issue either. I believe we need to have open lines of communication. We need to keep close communication. Unfortunately, the mayor voted against opening those

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lines of communication yesterday by not having his finance team come before the school department, the school committee. And I guess with the proposal that's here today, I like I just said, I think we need to keep the lines of communication open. I don't think we

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need um some sort of ad hoc committee. I I think um more government isn't usually better government, but I I think just um and not to repeat myself, but just being straightforward with each other from the from the school administration

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to the city council to the city administration, I think is the best way to go. Thank you. >> Question. >> Yep. Vice President Dion, >> you can go first. Go ahead. Council Per, >> I watched part of the uh meeting yesterday to be honest with you. I found

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it a little boring when we had to go through all of the uh um contracts that came on and really stupid questions were asked about that. I kind of got bored with that. But I didn't see anything about the mayor saying the numbers changed and I wasn't there. But to say

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numbers have changed or people have lied, I I I you know, I'm just tired of hearing stuff like that. I mean, you have the uh deputy superintendent that just walked in. I believe this is the new gentleman that's going to be the CFO. You have the city administrator in the back. I'd like to know. I didn't

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meet with the mayor. I know council leadership did and council did. And I thought they had the money to fund it to what it was originally. So, to those of my colleagues that were at that meeting, I I'm just tired of everybody. You know,

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there's all these conspiracy things. People are lying this and that. You have my number. If you have a question, you can call me. You can call anybody here. Like I can call anybody on that side. But I was under the impression that the transportation money was going to stay the same as it was that the school department had sent in. And nobody's

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hiding anything. Maybe I'm wrong. If I am, then I'll be the first to apologize. But I'm just tired of the accusations that are thrown around without us having all the information. With that, I yield. Thank you. >> Vice President. Yep. Can I briefly respond?

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>> Vice President. Yep. >> So I wasn't So I will respond to that in terms of I can tell you absolutely guaranteed thousand% there was no deal cut. I don't know what this deal cut means. So let's take that right off the

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table. Um in terms of the dollar amount it they're going to send down what they're going to send down. We know what they initially sent down. We know what the school department's asking for. the administration will send down what they send down and the next time we deal with the the annual budget, we'll know

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what the number is and we will either vote yes or vote no, whatever the case may be. So the only comment I want to make is I think as much as your argument is not to have an ad hoc committee and obviously we're going to discuss that today. I think you just gave the

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argument as to why we should have an ad hoc committee because you just demonstrated how there hasn't been the proper discussion, the proper channels, the proper people meeting, the communication has been poor. That's exactly what the committee would be for all of that. So I think you I think it

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you kind of without realizing it even though you don't agree with it gave the argument as to why it should happen and with that I yield. >> Thank you. Anything else? just very brief. Just want to brief you respond and I and I and I agree um with um the

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council vice president. I just don't I think there needs to be a conduit to having communication. I just don't want to I'm just not for extra bureaucracy. That that's just the argument I'm making. But I agree. I think we have the team in place now on our side. And

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again, I'm just speaking as an individual. I'm not speaking on behalf of the school department or anyone. Um, so, um, with that being said, I think you're there's going to be an increase in communication. I'm not sure on your side with your administration. Again,

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that's not on the city council, that's on the mayor. I think there's a lot of work that needs to be done. U, I guess I'll lastly say I would encourage members of the council to watch the entire meeting because these are comments that were made by the mayor at the end of the meeting. And I'm just

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going off, we voted for a $17 million budget. The city submitted a $16.1 million budget. That's the budget that was sent to this council. And just to say members of the school committee made

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quote unquote stupid comments, I don't believe is appropriate. Members of the committee have the right to ask questions. I would never come here and um bash a counselor for asking questions. I I think that's just not the way we should describe members of the

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school committee. I know you have your opinions on our side, Council Pere. However, I just don't think that's the right way to go. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> That's right. And I don't think it's right to say deals are cut when they're not. With that, I yield. >> Thank you, Council Per. >> Second individual to sign up for

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assistance was Joseph Kavalo, 301 Milicanin Avenue. The subject boulevard. I apologize. Uh his topic today is items six and seven on the council agenda today. Mr. Kavalo, welcome. >> Come on. Boom.

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Good evening. So, uh, initially I want to read, uh, and it's dated November the 8th, 2021, and it's a request for a variance and special permit from, uh, Katahula Realy

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Trust to construct the uh, electronic billboard and uh, the director of inspectional services, Glenn Hathaway, at that time uh denied the the request and said that it's

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contrary uh to our ordinances and your permit is hereby denied. >> Sorry. So, five years later, we have the the billboard up and and one of my issues has to do with uh of course when

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when your request is denied, you go to the zoning board of appeals. And in my humble opinion, uh that zoning board of appeals, uh not only uh the one that's in session now,

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but over the years, uh I've had uh I've made testimony in the past. Uh we have ordinances, we have regulations, uh there's supposed to be setbacks, there's supposed to be uh li, you know,

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x amount of parking spaces. Uh and in my opinion, again, all depends on who your attorney is, whether you get the the uh the variance or the the setbacks. Uh even in the Flint, the the uh the town

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houses behind for netting mills was supposed to have a setback from the Cookam River of X amount of feet. Don't don't need to do it. So when this appeared when when the ZBA

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ruled on this back in 20 initially 2021 uh and then of course co the governor gave another two years extension. there's been multiple uh uh extensions

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of of this that and the other thing and now we have a a billboard and uh if I may multiple Massachusetts communities have raised concerns and been negatively impacted by both electronic and static

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billboards and they've cited issues ranging from visual blight changing messages every 10 seconds which they have to by the office of outdoor advertising uh to safety hazards such as distracted

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distracted driving and light pollution. So now for for item six on the agenda, the development of Route 79, which is in my opinion again the last

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opportunity that this city of Forever has to develop its waterfront in a way that serves the citizens of this city and even the non-citizens. I'll I'll add that. Uh so so to have urban it's almost

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like urban blight these massive and of course it's it's north and south. So Route 79 uh Deval Street runs north and south. This is going to be glaring in if there if there's going to be development on

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the 18 to 20 acres and people are talking about I'm sure that if if uh Ken Fiola got his way, they'd be 10 feet 10 stories high. regardless if they're four or 10 stories high and you're paying big bucks market

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rate housing and you're facing city side though that light is going to be in your apartment 24 hours a day 365 days a year 366 during leap year Mr. Follow me. Just cut

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you off for one second. Um he's over his three minutes. Is there a motion to wave the >> motion to extend for another three minutes? >> Motion made by council Daniel. >> Second. >> Thank you. >> Second by council bar. All in favor? >> I have it. Not three minutes, sir. >> So I I I emailed the council. Uh

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too much information actually in my opinion, but I but I wanted people to get that information. And thank you uh councelor Pereira because I think you looked at some of the cities because uh that that was what I got out of your resolution because it sounded like one

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of the ones I looked on. So for instance uh uh oh in February of 2019 I testified against then mayor uh Koreah who wanted to put two billboards up. And I I said at the office of

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outdoor advertising, the idea of putting billboards up with messages that change every 10 seconds, uh I I would ask anyone how that won't distract drivers and and now I add that the touchscreen

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technology in motor vehicles now and handheld phones just adds to that distraction. I've even reached out to Sergeant Ferris uh the forever police department representative to the traffic board to compile traffic incidents on

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the expanse of the Deval Street Route 79 to assist in quantifying what incidents may be attributed to distra distracted driving due to the electronic billboards. Uh so so and when I looked

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up the zoning board of appeals on the mass gov website, it talks about unique special permits, nonconforming properties and structures. Uh it it can restrict some of that overlay districts.

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I'm not sure about Deval Street and and Route 79. uh given Bsentennial Park right across the street with the Ewima Memorial, the Korean War Memorial, the Gulf War Global War on Terror, the Gold

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Star Families, and of course the war that I fought in, the Vietnam Veterans Memorial War, all being right across the street from this billboard. I I I don't think that any of those monuments or people that frequent Bsentennial Park, a

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recreation area and part of our waterfront, deserve that kind of distraction uh for for a place that at least in some regard should be considered sacred land. So, uh it it just I I I can't stress

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enough that one's there and it's going to stay there. Uh there's no taking it down, I don't believe. I've contacted the director of the office of outdoor advertising. I've had multiple

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conversations with him and uh looked at the regs for for outdoor advertising. Uh they got a special permit regardless of what the ordinances say, regardless of what the regulations say. So, so my

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thought even in appealing to the city council and to this committee in in particular to to enact some regulations, some ordinances that will at least at the very least protect our waterfront

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from this kind of blight. Uh, you know, I I just it that's how it strikes me. Uh and and and from my uh point of view, the ones I spoke about in 2019 were going to be on city land by now

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convicted felon uh Jasel Korea. >> 30 seconds, Mr. >> Okay. So, so I I just want to uh implore you to to pass some ordinances and legislation that will stop the last

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chance that we have to get out of the economic, cultural, and social doldrums that we've been in since we were in receiverhip basically 1933. So, thank you for listening. >> Thank you, Mr. >> Thank you.

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Item number two on our agenda this afternoon is the minutes for the June 23rd 2000 2026 meeting. >> Motion to approve. Second. >> Motion to approve made by vice president Dott, second by council of Prairie. Discussion. All those in favor? >> Any oppose? The eyes have it. >> Item number three is proposed ordinance

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traffic handicap parking referred to the committee on 714 2026. It reads Cherry Street South 198t west of Grove Street. Palmer Street north 224 feet west of East Main Street.

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Plain Street East starting at a point of 314 feet north of Effort Street. St. Mary Street East 136 ft south of Essex Street and Trip Street East 87t north of King Phillip Street. Director of traffic and parking. You want to come down?

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Good evening, Miss MacArthur. >> Good evening. Stephanie MacArthur, director of traffic and parking. >> Thank you. Anything from the committee regarding item number three? >> Okay. Is there a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve made by council prayer.

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>> Motion that the ordinance be accompanied by an emergency preamble. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion to be made by emergency preamble. Made by vice president Dion. Second by councelor Canuel. Roll call, please. >> Roll call on accompanying emergency preamble. Uh councelor Kadim. >> Yes.

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>> Councelor Canuel. >> Yes. >> Vice President Dion. >> Yes. Councelor Pereira. >> Yes. >> Chair Reposo. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. >> Motion further motion. >> Yeah. Motion to adopt. >> Motion to pass through all readings is made by councelor Pereira. >> Second.

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>> Second by vice president Dian. Any discussion? All those in favor? >> Any opposed? The eyes have it. >> Item number four is proposed ordinance traffic miscellaneous referred to the committee on 714 2026. It is handicap parking removals. Third Street West 150

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ft 155 ft south of Branch Street. Hunter Street East 126 feet south of Hope Street. Mason Street east 328 ft south of Pleasant. Pine Street South 20t east of Robeson. South Beach Street East 104t

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south of Oliver Street. South Beacon Street West 343 ft north of Sprag Street. And Washington Street West 128 ft north of William Street. Any questions from the committee? >> Motion to pass through first reading. >> Motion to pass through first reading made by councelor Kadim. Second by vice

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president Dion. Any discussion? All those in favor? Any opposed? The eyes have it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mrs. Be. >> Item number five is a resolution to convene to discuss the creation of an ad hoc school transportation committee

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adopted 714 2026. like to invite our invited guests for item number five, please to the table. >> How are you? >> I'm doing well. So, Good evening to all of you. If you could introduce yourselves and attorney, could

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you pass that boom mic over to Miss RP, please? And she'll start introducing everybody. >> Emily, no. >> Karaoke, >> Emily Arpi, director of finance. >> And O'Neal, Soua, interim city administrator. >> Gary Hick, assistant corporation

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council. Liz Loggo, deputy superintendent, Fall River Public Schools. >> Alder Patrono, CFO, Brocklin Public Schools. >> Buy me box. >> Get out. Forgot where you were. >> That's fantastic. >> Welcome to

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>> Thank you. >> Ken Piggo CO. >> Thank you. >> And where are you from? >> For Thank you. >> Okay. Make sure we're the right place today. Um, so I'll start uh as as the author of the resolution. So, the idea behind my resolution here is to bring

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everyone together um and and develop an ad hoc committee to essentially build some conversation around transportation. Obviously, we've talked a little bit about it, no pun intended, in the budget process and clearly there's a breakdown of communication. So, my vision behind this is to build some communication on

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both sides. Obviously, uh the city council has a role to play in this anyway. So, this is the the first step in looking to develop this. Um, so attorney Hyak, I'll start with you. Um, I spoke to you regard regarding the development of add-on committee. So I'd

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like you to have some words regarding this, please. >> Sure. Um, when we spoke, I think one of the questions was, does it have to be created by ordinance? And I probably said, yeah, it should be, but um, I don't know about a half hour ago, I changed my tune. Uh, and I'm just thinking out loud and uh, well, I was

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thinking to myself out loud and I do a lot of corporate work and you see ad hoc committees and bylaws and and when a when a corporation creates uh, an ad hoc committee, usually it's for a temporary

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purpose um, informal, they don't revise their bylaws for the ad hoc committee. So in this case I was thinking as a thought instead of it creating it by ordinance which we then modify all the ordinances for this committee um maybe

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do a a trial run so to speak um you could create your own set of rules uh on how it operates and if it's functional uh and you like to keep it permanently then you can make it a standing committee and we'll create an ordinance. Um, and while it's operational, you might want to you see the pros, the

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cons, and it actually will perfect your own rules to create a better ordinance over time. So, uh, to do it that way, I thought perhaps the better way of do or a way of doing it is an order of the council. I don't know why I'm looking at you as a >> I don't set orders. >> I know.

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Um, and that might be a possible way of doing it, but but I could also do it by ordinance. So it's kind of what your what the will of >> committee is >> committees. >> Council Per. >> Yeah. I'll ask a question. We have many

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liaison positions on the city council. There's different liaison. >> Do we have a liaison from the school committee? >> We have liaison. >> We do. We have We have two. >> Who are the two that are on here? >> I think it's me and uh Andrew, I think. >> No, not you got kicked off.

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>> Yeah, I got switched over. Um, listen, I've been advocating for these schools a thousand%. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Who is it that are the less now? >> It could be. >> I know it's me. >> Maybe. I'm not sure. >> Oh, maybe. >> Have you had an issue with getting

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information or being a liazison and speaking back and forth? I thought you have. You bring you bring information to us. >> It's a loaded question. Um, do I have an issue getting information? uh not always sometimes I don't listen I

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don't disagree with what's before us in terms of uh setting up a subcommittee for the discussion of transportation I think uh one of the issues that we really need to look at is and I and I was just having this conversation with councelor Dion and she actually said it we I think we get so caught up in net

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school spending that we forget to talk about the other uh expenses that come with it and transportation is one of them right so >> I think when we were having this conversation and if it was not for the discrepancy that we had seen this year. I don't think we would have well at least I for one wasn't aware that we

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were paying for salary positions in transportation. Right? That's just one example. Uh so I said this to the mayor. I've said it to a couple of individuals. You know, if I'm using the mayor's credit card to go shopping and I'm buying everything that I like, if I'm going to use my own credit card, I might

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not even be going shopping, right? So I think at the end of the day, we should be having a conversation. uh at least on the city side to with the schools in terms of what transportation costs look like. Uh how are we minimizing the uh the expenditures because that it's not

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part of that school spending. >> Um and and when we start talking about the sustainability of the total operating budget which includes education, we need to start looking at ways to to reduce some costs. So, if we're not at the table having those conversations, uh, fully acknowledging that, you know, all those decisions are

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going to be made on the on the school side, I I do think that we should be a partner and there should be some collaboration in terms of what those expenses look like. Um and maybe even part of those discussions capturing uh even if it's only short-term but capturing uh what the expectations are

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for transportations uh with and I know maybe the indirect cost agreement is not um probably the vehicle to use but even if it's just an MOA on what we're looking to see for expenses. So I don't I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. Um I don't disagree with attorney

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Howak with the um notion that maybe we should try it temporarily and then if we think it should be a standing committee then let's just move forward. Um but maybe the outcome of this committee is just to establish an understanding anou of how transportation is going to be funded what expenses we want to see what

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type of reporting we want to see as a as a as a council and as the uh the administration. So I think there's some benefit to it but I know the question was whether or not I get information. I do get information sometimes not always the information I'm looking for. So >> I I just wondered how that worked as a

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liaison if that worked for you because some of the state they do transportation a mile and a half away from the school in Fall River we do it a mile and some people have said well make it a mile and a half but our goal is to make sure that we get kids to school. So that's why

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we've done a mile. But I don't know, was it 10 years ago that Cliff, you and I, we went to Boston and tried to fight. I think we met with Pat Hadad and the head of the department of trying to do something with with transportation because the cost was we weren't

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successful, but we did try. That's four of his motto. We tried. But um Okay. Do you know how much you're getting now, Emily? Do you know how much they're getting for transportation? It had been 70 in the new budget,

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whatever you've proposed. Can you say that? Can you not? Because you're kind of smiling. >> I don't want to put you on the spot. >> I I wasn't prepared to have that full conversation about what's in the budget >> because I don't have I just don't have any of that with me. So, we are still in, you know, finalizing the conversations. It will be there'll be

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something put down in front of everybody tomorrow. So, um, there will be a decision at that point, but I think that in the conversations we've been having even with whatever number goes down, >> there's still going to be conversations moving forward and it's still going to be a moving target that we've already committed to kind of working on these

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things together to look at. So, >> yes, there will be a number and I am telling you right now, I'm not sending out a number that we don't all agree on, but I can tell you that even if we agree on a number, it's probably still going to continue to change. So the number will change. We'll agree

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on a number, but the number will change. >> Well, because there's factors that we've been talking about >> about like >> about the things with the transportation changes that are potentially coming down the line and and they're starting to get more information on that, but it's not finalized. So, in that sense, you know, we're going to put down a number that we can all feel good about and agree on,

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but still. >> We've been talking. Yes. >> Up with a number. Uh did you want to add something, Mr. Lalt? Oh, >> yes. No, we've met a couple of times. We've gone over the expenses from this past year. Are these worth? >> Yeah. >> Um the expenses from this past year and

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what we've actually spent, we spent 16.2 million overall. And what my predecessor put in for me was a 5% increase for next year, which brought it to 17 million. So now we're looking at if we're changing any of the bus routes, changing some of the um >> with the redistricting >> with the redistricting whether or not we

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can save some funds on that. So, we could start off um if the mayor gave us a lesser of an appropriation and then revisit it in December or January because we still we still don't know what you know September 1st is going to be for number of students. Do we have a hundred more kids moving in? You know,

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do we have kids moving out? Do we have a lot more special ed kids that have to have special ed vans because all those costs, you know, will change our our overall um program for the year. But we'll know by mid year where we stand. So, if the mayor doesn't fully fund the request, we would have to come back in

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January and say, you know, I need another 300,000, another 800,000, um, whatever it is. And I assume I assume at that point because free cash and everything's been certified and the the tax rate has been set at that point you'd have to go to uh stabilization to

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cover the costs. >> So, >> but at least there is communication and people are working on resolving that issue. That's I'm hearing there's no communication. So, I'm happy to that there is communication and u my counselor in uh he's not in seat number

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one but um my council kadim says you know he's had communication and hasn't gotten all the information that is asked for so I would hope that the school department would give him all the information he asked for because then he shares that with us >> right I wasn't suggesting it wasn't covered from the schools I was just

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saying >> wherever the information is coming from I hope you get it all >> I just want to clarify >> because then we get it with that I yield thank you >> thank Vice President Dia. >> So I think first I just want to say why I think the ad hoc committee is actually

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a good idea. Um so number one, as we've discussed, um transportation is not net school spending. And I think we've all fallen into the trap of we're so used to net school spending and we have to and you go along whether you agree with it or not because net school spending is

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net school spending that transportation just kind of followed and we've all basically always just sat back and said well it is what it is and we have to pay it and that's it. It's as far as it's ever gone. And this is probably the first time that people have actually sat back and said, "Wait a minute, wait a

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minute. If it isn't net school spending, then we should have a say in it." Um, we are paying the bill. So, should we just be handed a bill and expect it to say, "Okay, here's your money." Or do we sit

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and discuss um, and I'm not going to steal anybody's thunder because I know it's coming, but perhaps policy changes. I mean, we've heard about redistricting for years, but we haven't really seen anything happen. We don't know. Is it going to save

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money? Is it going to cost more money? And I think in fairness, it's just all of us to sit at the table, have a conversation, and um come to a logical and and sensible conclusion. That's just my take

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on it. Um, I know one thing, and I always managed to step in it, but it's probably not going to be um, well received by some people, but I'm gonna say it. Um, I know that we've always, and I forget what the program is, but there are children who excel in school

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and they get transportation even if they don't live a mile from the school. >> Gifted and talented. >> Gifted and talented. >> We still I now I'm going to assume we still have that program. Do we do we not? >> No, we do not.

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>> So, we did and when did we eliminate that? >> Two years ago. >> Two years ago. >> Really? And did was that a savings? >> Um, I don't believe it was a huge savings. >> Mr. Pico, can you use the microphone, please? >> I'm sorry. >> Thank you. So, everybody can hear you.

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>> Well, we're giving money to everybody but gifts. >> I'm going to say that I don't I don't know if it was a major difference. We were we had already eliminated a certain level of of uh the gate program. So what was remaining was probably a bus um maybe two but I don't believe it was

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much more than that and that was about two years ago. >> Okay. Now >> eliminated that was something we had no idea because we're not involved in the conversations and it would have been and it would have been nice to know that and to know what it did save. I mean, I know a a few years back and it used to kill

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me because there were two kids that lived on one street that were part of that program and then there were three kids who lived three houses away who weren't part of the program. So, the bus would pick those two up and drive by right by the house of the other three and they had to find their way to school and I used to say that's not right.

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That's not right. This has to change. So, I'm glad that changed. Um, so with that, for now, I'll yield. Thank you. >> Thank you, Council Daniel. Yep. You got a headot. Thank you. >> Oh, there we go. >> Uh first, just for point of information,

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uh the school liaison for the city council are councelor Kadim and councelor Hart. >> Okay. Um, when we talk about numbers changing, um, I would assume we're not, well, I guess

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I can assume if if we agree on one number, is it a safe assumption that the money would only go down? We would only save money potentially, or is there a real concern that if we agree on a number that everyone's comfortable with that we could actually go above that number?

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Um, I think that the goal at this point from my perspective is that we would agree on a number that would potentially only go down further, but obviously there's always going to be the case that something could happen and and everything could change in that sense. But that would be the case even if we approved the original budget number that

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that could go up if something dramatic, you know, shifted or changed. So, in that sense, I think the goal is to have a conservative number that would only continue to go down, but there's always a chance that it could go the other way. Okay. Uh, this I'll direct more to the

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new CFO. Um, I I don't like the assumption that we would just go to stabilization for more money. I think um we would first urge I think the number is the stop sign, right? Don't spend more than that number because there's a

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we have a whole city budget to balance, right? And I believe we are doing much more than the state requires us to when it comes to transportation and the minimum expectations. And I think um I think if there was a number that you guys had real concern with, I think you

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should look at policy changes to make sure you don't go past that number. It's not acceptable when department heads uh go above their budgets. Uh and this is a line item within the city budget. Um so I think if you know, we'll see what the number is. I think potentially >> Yeah. My statement basically was if the

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mayor were to fund us less than what we requested then we would have to go that route because there is no other available cash >> there there would be we would stabilization would be the last ditch effort and that would come from me at that point. So I wouldn't I wouldn't stress about that because I would like to do everything possible to not touch

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stabilization. So that would be the last possible stop gap. >> But are there not policy changes that the school department could look at? Obviously, red redistricting is a policy in and of itself, a change, but you know, when I think about what charter

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schools do, they don't do door-todoor stops. Um, they do we'll pick you up at Kennedy Park, we'll pick you up at Maplewood, we'll pick you up at Bsentennial. Um, you know, I think we'll obviously see what that number is, but I think I would encourage the team if the

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number is not where you hope it should be to take a look at all the available options. >> Correct. When you when you look at transportation, you really have like two divisions. One is your fixed busing, which is your fixed stops, your street corners. Those you set your routes and you have your buses that you know

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routinely run the same routes. Then there's the variable cost, which is your your your McKenna Vento homeless and your special eds. Those change every year. You get homeless kids that come in, homeless kids that go out. You get special ed kids that get approved. That's the cost that really drives um

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the overall cost of the of the program up. You never know what you're going to have. Um you could have a special ed student that's going to go to Worcester every day. So now you've got to hire a private van to take that special ed student. They may have just moved in. That's going to cost you $100 each way

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every day times 180 days out of the year. So those are the costs that that you can't really get control over. You're mandated to have to work on as far as the walkout goes. Yes. If you wanted to go from one and a half miles to two miles, that can be done. I mean it's a it's it's a model. You've got a

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program that'll tell you what your bus routes will be, but you also have to factor in the number of students that fit on a bus. So, you've got that variable, but you got your fixed routes and you have your variable routes. It's a variable routes that really drive the costs. >> Do we think we'll have a lot of students outside of the current mileage per se?

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Again, I'm not fully involved with the the school transportation uh policies and how that works um because my kids don't go to the Florida public schools. But when you do the redistricting, I think the idea is that they'll be in the neighborhoods, right? They'll be closest

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to the school closest to them. So the odds of them falling outside their range should be reduced. I would think >> that is the goal. >> I think one of the biggest things that frustrates me a little bit is we don't know if what the savings would be from redistricting. like we've talked about

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it, but to me this should be because I asked the question at a council meeting whether or not someone's manually doing this or whether or not we're using technology. If we're using technology to do it, we should already be able to project what those savings would be. And I don't feel like it's been provided

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what the savings of redistricting would be. And I think that would answer a lot of the questions that are before us when we talk about a number that's $900,000 different to me. We should already know if we're using technology as we say we are what the savings from redistricting would be and it might have made this

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whole discussion move I guess. So I'll leave on that point. Um >> I think that 900,000 though is is a lot of that is the 5% increase from one year to the next. So um it's not as if 900,000 is a number that we're assuming

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there's going to be more stops and more students. The enrollment has been going up every year, which is great because in turn that brings us in chapter 70 funds for the district, but um you know, you could have one bus route that has nine kids on it, you know, fixed bus route. You could have a a second bus route that

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has 47 kids on it. You still need that one bus that's doing the, you know, picking up the nine kids because you can't have kids on the bus over an hour. So, you can't expand that route to where the bus is on the road an hour and 20 minutes each morning picking children up. So that's where you kind of have some restrictions, but there is software

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that does all that programming. You're correct on that. >> But it we don't know what the savings might look like even a range of sorts. So >> I think Ken has >> Yeah. So I I think we we the software obviously is what we

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develop our roots with. The issue is is we don't have a set number of students until closer to school starting. There are students who walk in. There are students who will register after September one, our start date. Those are the wild cards on the outside. They may

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need every one of them that you we there are times in August where we have a 100 kids a day walking in to register. That's the kids we don't know. A 100 kids. If 50% of those kids needed transportation, that's a bus. So that's

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how that's why we can't predict it at this point. Could you not do ranges though? If we if our current population is about flat, it would be this. If we go up, >> that's exactly what you have. So, we're we're saying that we're not going to have movement, >> Mr. Chair. This is a great example of

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why we need the committee. >> I I agree. I just I just don't want to get into a budget. We've been going on to it and we're going to get an open meeting of violation since there was no budget discussion. And I appreciate the conversation because I think the conversation is great to be had. But >> I think it just, you know, just shows why we need to

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>> it explains exactly why having a committee, an ad hoc committee makes sense because there are a lot of questions that I don't think any of us here have the answers. Most of you in the in the school department have more answers. And I think again building a collaborative effort together considering we're going to have to

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address this in the budget is a perfect reason to council's point why we should do this. So back to council if you want to continue with this. So, I was actually going to close with the reason I don't support the ad hoc committee is because >> I think this is something the full

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council should hear um to, you know, not just a a member or two of the city council. Every department, every line item, you know, they get to the table, the whole council, the finance committee has the opportunity to. So, from my perspective, we already have that opportunity. The school department comes

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down during the budget. It's in finance. All nine members are able to ask questions and weigh in. And that's why I don't support an ad hoc committee because I don't I think it should, you know, I don't want to get a summarized report after the fact. I want to be able to ask my questions. Um, so that's where I'll leave it without a yield.

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>> Thank you, Council Council Burough. >> I I just think that it's very difficult to figure out what you're going to need for transportation. And if we think that we're not going to get more students, I think they got a thousand students last year. With all the housing development that's going on, people aren't moving in

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and never having children. There's going to be more children coming in. And uh like I I'm sorry, I forgot your last name. >> Patron. >> Patroni. Mr. As Mr. Patron said, if you have a child that comes in with special needs that requires a placement in an

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out of school district, we have to provide that transportation. But I do agree with you uh councelor Canuel to look at everybody weighing in on an issue. But just like we have a lot of different subcommittee meetings, I watch the

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subcommittee meetings. I watch subcommittee meetings of the school department or I guess my life is quite boring that um I I do watch all these meetings, but if there's a meeting, it's going to come whatever the issue is, it's going to come to full counsel to then be voted on. So, I'd say, you know,

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I'm I'm supporting the ad hoc committee. Let it go to full counsel and see what the entire council feels about it, but there needs to be a little bit more um because we're paying the bill from the city side, there needs to be a little bit of communication more than we have

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now. So, that I would agree with. So, with that, I yield. Thank you. >> Madame Deputy Superintendent, good afternoon. I I'll give you a minute to speak here if you'd like to weigh in on this. >> Sure. First of all, I I thank you for inviting us and wanting to be

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collaborative with the school district because that's what we want and the communication and the doors of communication are open. I'm certainly I didn't realize there was a liazison and I'm certainly would be willing to sit down with uh Mr. Kadeim at any time or Mr. Hart and have conversations um on a

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weekly or bi-weekly basis uh with myself and the uh CFO uh Mr. Pacho or and the superintendent. Um Dr. Smith is not here this evening because she had um another engagement, but um we're here because we want to be part of the solution and we

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certainly don't want to be reactionary. We want to be pro-solutionary. So instead of coming up behind the bus, we want to be in front of the bus. And so if we can start having these conversations today, obviously I'm behind the bus because I came April 6th,

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but right now we are moving pretty quickly. Um Aldo and I um Mr. Pico have been together um all day today um working on different things and I believe that we um can work with you and I know that uh Eldo has met with Emily I

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think twice now um and they've had conversations they've had emails going back and forth so I think the communication and the lines are starting to open. I appreciate it. Um I I certainly will take this back to the school committee. Um I cannot speak on behalf of the school committee. Um but I

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can say on behalf of Dr. Smith and myself uh to open the doors of communication and to get this moving in the right direction is what we want to do. When you ask about redistricting, if it is going to save, it should. Um there's a lot of reasons why you redistrict

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community schools, um easier for parents, um kids like to stay in the same school, K through 8, K through six, they have their own middle school. Um we get walkers, saves on transportation. Those types of things are wonderful things. Um, we're going back that

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direction. I hope to do more redistricting in the future. Um, we can only fit so many students in in every building that we have in and big programs that we're moving around. Um, and we're doing it for the success for students and that's the that's our main goal is

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how do we best support our student body and and the students of Fall River. Um and and lastly, I think that I have asked uh transportation and now that um Eldo is here, uh he and I will work on getting together and finding out and

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giving you what what does it look like at a mile, a mile and a quarter, a mile and a half, a mile and three/4ers, and two miles. What are the cost savings at those mileages? Um, I haven't been in Fall River for only four months, so I

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don't know how those policies started and why, you know, we opened them up and opened them up or closed them and closed them and now, you know, people have said you pick every everybody um doortodoor. If if you've ever been in a superintendent's office or in transportation office on the first two

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weeks of school or in the middle of the winter, you get phone call after phone call after phone call after phone call. I can't. My son or daughter can't walk down the sidewalk. We You can't get the bus down the street. They need to drop them off front of the door. Uh my mother my mother is an invalid. Um I'm not home

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from work. I need someone to drop the my child off in front of the door. So we get those conversations and that's what pushes if in fact we move policies around to help that. That's what pushes the conversations to door-todoor um pickup.

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I appreciate the walking school bus. I have uh said to many of the the principles and I will continue to say to the principles this year I will be walking to school with the kids. I want to be there um to walk possibly every Friday with the kids for the walking school bus. I'll meet them at one of the

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corners and I'll walk with them to show to show families that we are in support that this is what we're going to do and this is how we're going to run the district. We're all in this together. We're part of a community and uh that's how we we grow. Um, but those are I I I

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appreciate um Mr. Canal's uh when he asked, you know, is it a mile, is it a mile and a half mile? I think you're right. We need to give more information like that, whether it's the technology so you can just give, you know, if we had these routes at this time, this is what it would cost. I agree with you.

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And those are types of things that I've been talking to my uh my staff and and and my team uh Dr. Smith's team about put it down, take a look at it, show it, and have conversation. And it's the only

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way um Mr. Kadim would tell you that it's the only way that we're going to we're going to move a district, move a community, is you've got to weed. You got to get through the weeds so that you can see what's on the other side. So, we're willing to work with you. Um I hope you're willing to work with us. And so,

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um on behalf of Dr. Smith and and and our staff that we're here and we want to work with you. And I'll bring it back to the school committee and and to see if that we would like if um they would like to be a liaison on and work with us down here as well. And I appreciate you, Mr. Reposo, for reaching out

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>> um to me and asking me to come down with um the CFO and the COO. So, thank you. >> Appreciate it. Um any other discussion from the committee at this point? So, to attorney Howak, I think at this point um We're gonna look forward and I believe

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you said an ordinance would be the the best way forward to get this rolling or what what's your recommendation? >> I did not see that. >> Okay. What? I'm sorry. I lied. I'm just kidding. >> That's not what he said. >> What would be the best way to proceed? >> You know, it's a choice you have. I I don't know the best way to proceed, but

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my recommendation was not to do an ordinance. Um >> since it's an ad hoc committee, it's temporary in nature. You're kind of exploratory. uh and you're going to have to set the parameters of, you know, what's totally schoolside and what what questions your um committee is is

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endeavoring to answer. Uh it was going to be a a charge of the um an order of the council. That was going to be my suggestion that the council just create an order, create the committee. Um and once the committee is created, we we can I can create a set of rules that you

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operate under. the rules in essence will mimic an ordinance without the formality of creating an ordinance. Um and then you could we can tweak the rules as it goes along when you say oh we like this this is working or this isn't working you know what maybe we should have a member of the school um department CFO as part of it you know so as as it

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morphs uh it might be um it will change over time and then if you really love it then we'll create the ordinance. >> Fair enough. I'll make a motion to uh request that the council establish an order to establish an ad hoc committee that would last for one year uh that it

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be brought back before ordinance committee to make a determination if it should be a permanent standing committee and ordinance. >> I'll second that. >> Should we um >> motion made by councelor Kadim, second by vice president on discussion. Council Pereira, >> should we have on that uh order that it

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would be maybe the vice chair of the school committee and the president of the council join together to pick whoever's going to be on this? Who's going to select these people? >> Yeah, I would I would >> it be attorney Howak, >> I I guess I would I would say that it

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needs to be an odd number of individuals. I would say that would be >> three counselors that would be uh I guess established by leadership >> and then I would leave it to the school department as to I know they've got a transportation committee if it's you know two members of the transportation committee or it's two members of the uh

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school committee it doesn't really matter to me as long as we understand that it's going to be conversations about >> just if it's going to be put in an order that that's going to be x amount of individuals to serve on that for a period of one year >> on a temporary basis and then you would Write it up.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Just give me the par. Actually, I think I don't understand the parameters based on uh what I've already read. So, I think I understand what you want to do. >> Understood. Do you council? >> I yield. Ready to vote. >> Council Canuel. >> Uh I would like to amend however this is written that

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um if it's only two city council members that the >> is going to be three. So I would um request that two of them be the school liaison that are appointed by president >> and then let the president of the

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council choose a third member. But I think given we have our roles I I would say that would be >> how I would prefer >> and I'd give up my seat to council since he wants to be part of it. >> Well he'd be good with the logistics and

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the diagram so We have a motion on the floor made and seconded. Any further discussion? >> All those in favor? >> Any opposed? >> The eyes have it. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much, folks. Appreciate you. >> Very nice to meet you.

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>> Pleasure. >> When do you stop? >> Item number. Item number six this evening is a resolution to convene to discuss development traffic and parking concerns with the Route 79 Devol

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Street corridor. It's adopted 623 2026 >> motion to lift from the table or no it hasn't been table. >> Come on down. Director MacArthur, you want to sit in the middle? That'd be be great. >> Or not. >> Or not.

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>> You don't want to sit. That's all right. It's all good. Introduce yourselves once again, please. >> Stephanie MacArthur, director of traffic and parking. >> Ann O'Neal, Souza, interim city administrator. >> Thank you both. I'll recognize the author of the resolution, Council of Pereira. >> The only reason that I put this in is

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because we all know 79 is going to be done. And people don't know what's going on there, who's having control of it, um, you know, and what the zoning regulations going to be there. When you look at that property that they built on

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Deval Street where the garage doors face each other and you can't get a car in either way. I know some of them have sold maybe the ones on the side, but the other ones I think they're just renting them. And that was because it was under a certain zoning for arts overlay or

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whatever. And that was that's a mess. That should have never been. So, I just want to keep people up tod date on what's going on there and what they're going to do because to do stuff without involving the community

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and then there's issues and then people complain. So, there should be public hearings where people can weigh in on, you know, what's going to happen there. I mean, when I look at Lindsay Street, for example, we made one section of

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Lindsay Street a oneway to Brownell, and then it's a two-way. And if you go down that two-way, there's a lot of six family houses there. Yet, you have this huge island of grass that we're going to be responsible for cutting, but they didn't have to make it that

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wide. They could have shortened it, and you would have had additional parking for all of the homes that were there. like I don't see the forethought in doing things and then after they're done it's too late now it's going to cost money to come in and to change things.

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So I would hope that we would just keep on this if this can stay in committee to look at you know what's happening down the pike. Is it going to be the state? Is it going to be the city? Is it going to be mutual? How high are the buildings going to be? Are

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we going to have wraparound businesses in the front? If we do have businesses, a coffee shop, a pizza shop, a jewelry store, whatever, are we going to have wide enough sidewalks there so that in the summer if people want to put their wares on the sidewalk that there's room

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for a wheelchair to go by or somebody with a baby carriage to go by? Like, what are they going to do? And I just think it's better to have the public involved now and weigh in on different aspects of 79 than create something

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without any input from the community. I mean, I went down when they first did it. My input was I thought that the two roads should have been on one side coming and going and we should have gone from the grass all the way up. But I guess there was a lot with electrical and underrated. I lost.

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You know, I did get it widened near the prestige there, the auto body place because it was too narrow. So, that we got passed and now the hospital bought it. But, um, you go down and you try to give your opinion and and I think we need to give people that opportunity and

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that's the only reason that I put it in. So, if we table it here and just keep it going because other people aren't here that would have um knowledge of this. With that, I yield. >> Thank you, Vice President Dion.

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Thank you. Um so I think I think some of what you mentioned has been addressed only because in the master plan um some of these things have been addressed. They have had public meetings. I attended a couple of them um where they were talking about underneath the the um

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housing units they would have stadium parking with wraparound for businesses so you don't see the parking. Um I know in ordinance it's six stories. However, with the variance it could be up to eight right now. So right now it's six

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to eight. Whether that changes or not I don't know. Um but definitely one of the concerns is we still have not gotten the definitive answer. Is it going to be state and RDA just RDA state federal and I and I think um hopefully we can come

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to that conclusion sooner than later and and really ultimately know what's the plan here. You know, are they looking because I've heard um they want one mass developer with very deep deep deep pockets to take the whole thing

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over and develop it and get developers under them. So, we don't know. We don't know. Um I certainly hope we don't go to 10 floors, 12 floors. I I would be against that. But, um there are variables that there are knowns and there definitely are unknowns and it's

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probably a good idea to continue to have conversations. Um with that, I yield. >> Anything else from the committee? >> Members of the administration, anything you want to add? >> I mean, I can add that there has been a committee put together. It includes the council president, um, uh, Ken Fiola,

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the consultant for the redevelopment authority, the redevelopment authority, the mayor, uh, Dan Aguar, who is kind of in the city point person, uh, on the administration side on all the meetings, not just for the construction, but he is involved now in this. There should be a

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decision I would say pretty imminently uh regarding what the state has decided whether they want the city to be part of it or whether they are going to bring in a developer from um put bids out for developers. Um, so there should be some

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answers coming soon and we can ask that when that group meets if they could maybe put a little report together >> that the council president could bring back to you to let you know um what's going forward. Be glad to. >> Yeah, that would be >> that would be good.

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>> Anything else? >> I'll make council per >> I'll make a motion to table. >> Motion to table made by council per >> second. Second by vice president. All those in favor? >> I may oppose. The eyes have it.

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>> Item number seven is a resolution to convene to review city ordinances relating to outside billboards and advertising signs. It was adopted 623 2026. The author of the resolution, Council of Ferrero. >> Many years ago, I believe it was under

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the career administration when Kathy Amveris was city administrator. We looked at all these places where we could put signs. There was only one place in the city that we could put a sign and that was if you go down center street across from where the mechanic shop for the postal service is there's a

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little piece of asphalt there some one of the post office trucks are pox there that was the only place that we could have a billboard and all of a sudden for billboards to go up or with special permits or what have you. I mean the one that's up it's up. um you're not going to change that. But I think that we

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really need to look at uh what the regulations are on this. We don't want billboards all over the place. Uh it really deters. I think Steve Camaro was on the council at the time. And I forgot the first lady that he mentioned. I want

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to say it was Laura Bush, but don't quote me, who had a whole campaign against this. Um I should have called him this week, but I didn't. um to ask him. But but I really think we need to look at this and I will tell you I give kudos to Mr. Cavalo who really went

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above and beyond looking and sending all kinds of information. I mean a bunch of us have spoken with the uh office of outdoor advertising and this is something we need to look at. There are other communities that do have restrictions. So I would say that this

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be something that the legal department look at at ordinances around this around this issue. So, I would refer this to the law department to see what ordinances they could suggest to us. >> That would fall within our charter and

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within um ordinances. >> You want to make that in the form of >> um make that in the form of a motion. And >> can you repeat it for the clerk, please? >> Uh a motion that this resolution be sent to corporation council for corporation council to come up with a list of ordinances relative to billboards. Got

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it. >> What is it, James? >> Correct. >> Correct. >> You want to You can say it. >> Share with the committee, please. >> I just wanted to state that um if you do refer it to corporation council, then

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it's with corporation council. It would no longer be tabled in committee. So personally I would recommend that you >> that you table it and you write a letter asking what it is that you're >> and you are absolutely correct James

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we shall do that. So send a letter to corporation council with a copy of this resolution and we will keep this resolution in the ordinance committee tabled and I believe council kadim >> so moved >> gave a second to the first I don't know if he'll give a second. Okay. >> So, the motion on the table is to send a

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letter to corporation council with a copy of this resolution for their for them to further investigate possible ordinances regarding billboards. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Made and seconded by councelor Kadeim. >> Any discussion on the motion? All >> council.

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>> No, I just want to make one comment and I did say it at a city council meeting. Personally, my point of view, I do not want to turn our waterfront into Las Vegas as much as I love Las Vegas. If I want Vegas, I'm going to go to Vegas. I think I want our uh waterfront to be

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more in line with Newport where people it makes people happy. Uh we're not and I agree with every single thing that Mr. Cavalo said a thousand%. Um and I think for us to allow the waterfront to

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have nothing but those signs would just be horrific. Such a huge mistake. I mean, you hundreds of millions of dollars are being invested in in a beautiful location to ruin it. I can't go along with that. So, I'm glad you wrote this resolution. Hopefully, we can come up

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with an ordinance that will um mandate what can and can't be erected moving forward and that we can get a good handle on this. With that, I yield. >> Any discussion? Council Canuel. >> Thank you. And I do want to thank Council Per for filing this resolution.

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I was already in the works of crafting one and I was advised by the clerks that you had already followed one. So I said, "Well, there we go." Um, I think my only suggestion uh in the language to the corporation council is just to look at other communities who have enacted

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restrictions as a starting point of options across all the communities within Massachusetts. And with that, I >> any other discussion on the motion was made and second. All in favor? >> Any opposed? You guys have it. Further motion to table this here in committee and motion to table in committee.

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>> Motion to table by council prayer. Second by vice president Dion. All those in favor? Any opposed? The eyes have it. >> Item number eight this evening is a resolution to convene to amend chapter 661 186 of the city code for the naming of city buildings, parks, recreational

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facilities and other public properties. It was adopted on 526 2026. The uh council of the author of the resolution is council of Pekkham. So I will read it for the public edification. Whereas the city council has encouraged in discussions over many years regarding the naming of city buildings, parks,

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excuse me, facilities and other public properties in honor of members of the community for their significant contribution, service and dedication. And whereas such recognition serve to celebrate local heritage, foster community pride, and inspire future generations by permanently associating exceptionary citizens in public spaces. And whereas recent occasions have arisen

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in which it would have been inappropriate to name or dedicate a city building or property in memory of a deceased community member whose lifetime achievements merited such an honor. And whereas past conversations of this matter have stalled without resulting in a clear, consistent, and transparent policy. And whereas it is the best interest of the city of Florida to

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establish clear, equitable, and dignified criteria and procedures for the omnistic and posthumorous namings of city assets now therefore be resolved. The committee ordinance legislation convene to amend section 66186 of the city code to include among other people other possible needed changes. The

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ordinance applied to any member of the public public official or city employee. Uh excuse me, Vice President Dion. So, um in this in in the ordinance, I'm only going to read a of the ordinance. The

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purpose uh this section establishes a process and criteria for consideration of a request by a member of the public to name or rename a public or private street, a park, building, or other real or personal public property located within the city limits. This process

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also includes a request for additional name or sign to be added to an already existing name. Um the reason I read that is to me this resolution you want to introduce a member of the public public official city employee.

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I think politics is involved sometimes in too many things and changing this ordinance to include public officials and city employees I think defeats the purpose of the ordinance. I think it's nice that for once there was something that was for

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the general public to name things generally that that um residents come forward and make the requests. Um I think my just me I would prefer to keep it that way. I think this this

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ordinance can be tweaked in the respect that perhaps um some more criteria be put into it as to you know and and I'll give for anam I'm going to try and give an example without offending people but um you know so let's say okay so somebody works for the

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city for 30 years are we going to name a street after every person who after 30 years of working retired I don't know um you know I think to me somebody who has really given back to the community, somebody who's made an impact on the community, somebody who's dedicated a

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lot of time to the commu community. Um, and not to say that somebody who works for the city isn't a relevant individual, but um, I'm probably not explaining it well, but I think there's a difference. So, I just feel like there should be some criteria along with this. But again, it does not stop either or

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preclude any city employee or public official from filing a petition, submitting it, and then coming to the table as a resident and presenting it to the council. And the council say, "Yes, okay, we'll forward it to I believe it's planning."

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>> Yes, >> is where it goes. Forward it to planning and then it comes back to the council. It does not stop that from happening. But I I just I like the idea that you're doing it as a resident as opposed to an elected official and it keeps the politics to me out of it. And with that,

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I'll yield. >> Thank you, Councelor Canuel. >> Thank you. I like to echo her sentiment as well. I don't believe we should introduce this for public officials, especially uh you know, it would allow the city council, a city councilor to

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potentially do that, but then later it comes back to the council for action. So it would be kind of very influential piece for me in that process. Uh I like the resident aspect. Um not keen on the city employee party either just because they're not always residents of F River and I do think it should be coming from

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people who live and pay taxes here and feel that impact every day being residents here. So with that yield. >> Thank you. Council Pereira. Uh, one of the things in looking at the resolution that we already have, the ordinance that we already have on the books, if you want to name something in a park, and

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I'll give you an example at um, Bsentennial Park, Herman Bombach, uh, graduate of Dery High School, very involved with the veterans, and his wife wanted to have one of the benches down at the park have his name on on a bench.

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Um, and you know that needed to go before the park board and the park board voted on it, made a decision and we did have a ceremony and um there is a bench there for for Herman Bombach. Another

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one is the young man that got into the accident. He was on his bicycle and got hit and died. He was like one of the best skateboarders around. And there was a group of people that came to a city council meeting requesting that that skate park at Lafayette be named after

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him. And I know that Darren is working on it as well um as someone else working on it. I talked to Alan um Alexander Silva's sister today who's involved with that group to get the gentleman's mother's phone number to reach out to her and the park board's going to be

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dealing with that. But in this, it doesn't say anything. It talks about the planning board, but honestly, it's been going to the park department and they're the ones that vote on it. It doesn't come to the council at all. So, I don't know if that's something we need to look

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at because I don't know how I, you know, it ended up with the park board, but a lot of the things we do at bent, it always goes in front of the park board, especially with dedications and, you know, names. Another one was an Eagle Scout who started to do the rail trail

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with Mr. Lima and as his Eagle Scout project, he had it all. His name is Matus that the new area that they put, they want to put a bench with that Eagle Scout's name on it because he was the initial one that had come forward with that, but just didn't think, you know,

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he didn't know the wherewithal and we the government as Mr. Lemur and that whole group did. Um but you know his father would like something there for him. He had contacted Joe Camarra uh and then he contacted me um maybe about nine

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months ago. So we're looking at doing that again that goes in front of the park board. So there's nothing in here that talks about the park board. So if it's not supposed to be going in front of the park board then maybe this ordinance needs to look out for for that aspect of it. But other than that, I

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think this is good and we don't need to have anything else. I would give I would give this uh leave to withdraw. A motion leave to withdraw. I think what we're doing is good. >> Do you yield, council? >> With that, I yield.

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>> Yeah. The one thing I will say, I mean to council Dion's point, this ordinance was written in 2009, so it could very well use a review just just for to make sure it's it's correct. And if there's any u amendments that need to be made as far as words and and where things go,

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that may be useful. Vice President Dia. >> Yeah. The only thing I was going to say was um and it's interesting because it does say public or private street, public park, public building, other real or personal public property, but I I think the difference being some if somebody's requesting something for a

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park, the park board does have authority over the parks. We don't. And I think that's why those benches and that sort of thing went to them. And maybe public park should be taken out of this ordinance because we don't have jurisdiction in parks. Only the park

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board does, but that's part of the conversation to be had. Um, with that, I yield. >> Council Kim. >> So, I was just going to make reference to that. Uh, so they definitely do have jurisdiction. I I would suggest that we refer this to corporation council so that they can get uh some I guess a

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legal opinion from this because I I do think that while the park board has a ruling, I I I do think it should follow the same process that the city and city buildings would have. Uh so go through planning and then we we should have a say as well as the the park park board.

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I mean at the end of the day it's still um property of the city and I think naming rights should be coming from the same process. So, I would just suggest we send it over to corporation council, have that reviewed to see if we can put in an ordinance that would require the park department to uh to follow the same process from through naming rights.

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>> Is that a motion? >> I will second that motion. >> Is that a motion? >> I was I was going to so move my own motion. Motion made by councel kadim, second by councel prayer. Any discussion on the motion >> to refer to corporation counsel? >> All those in favor? >> Any opposed?

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>> The eyes. Can I make a motion to table this so we get it back and see what corporation >> second? Most certainly you can. >> Okay. >> Only if we send a letter, right? >> That was that was the first motion. >> The first motion was to refer to corporation council. >> Listen to James. >> No, no, we referred a letter.

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>> So to clarify referring to write a letter to corporation council regarding the ordinance. >> Right. >> Mr. Chair, >> city administrator has something to add. >> I was getting it. One second. >> You got that? >> Okay. >> I was just going to mention that if it is a park bench or something new, it

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goes to the park board. But if someone made a request to name a field for someone, >> that would go through the process. It goes through now as well as the park board. But the the planning process is to do the research to make sure that we're not renaming something that's

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already named for somebody. >> Yes. >> Understood. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Is there a further motion? >> No, just a motion to table. >> Motion to table made by council. Second by vice president. All those in favor? Any opposed? The eyes have it. >> That is excuse me. That is all we have

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on agenda this even regrettably because I was having a good meeting here tonight. >> We disagree but agree and resolve things. >> Motion to adjourn made by councelor Canuel. Second by vice president. All those in favor? Any opposed? The eyes have the city council committee on

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ordinance legislation now adjourned.