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Okay, welcome to the Fall River Conservation Commission meeting being held at the One Government Center. It's Monday, June 1st, 2026, 5:30. We're in the first floor hearing room at One Government Center. Uh, pursuant to the open meeting laws, any person may make

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an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium. Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made, whether perceived or unpersceived, by those present and deemed acknowledged and permissible. We'll start with roll call to my left.

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>> You Tim McCoy, >> John Bryant, Jim Cusk, >> Drew Carly, >> and then we have uh we're missing Chris Bole and Lewis Ferrer. And we also have here Dan Aguar, uh conservation agent,

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and Patty Agui, our recording secretary, and Craig from Forward TV. Um, first we have uh Brock Road discussion. >> So uh as I said at the last meeting that they had scheduled to get all the silk

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and stuff washed cleaned up out of the wetland area that was the receiving water body on the side. All that work's been done. Vegetation's flourishing out in that outside area. But while I was there checking in on that and if you remember there were a row of trees that we had plant right along Bell Rock Road. Every one of them's dead. So, I'm gonna

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follow up with them. We can get those replaced maybe with a different species, something that'll survive. I mean, they're probably six or seven feet tall. It's only the top 12 inches of every one of them is green. The rest of them are are brown and dead. >> So, it's it's odd. So, whether it's a

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disease thing or whatever it is, but I'll follow up on that. So, but we keep chipping away. So, with that, I recommend it matter be tabled for not. >> Got a motion table. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> Okay, next review and discussion of uh

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adopting fee structure. >> At the last meeting, I had provided some a little bit of framework for everybody to take home for homework. I haven't heard anything from anybody. So, we'll give them another month and see if we get any input before I unilaterally take it upon myself to do it.

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>> Okay. >> I I think this is a good plan, but if you do have something to add, try and get it in this month so we can finalize this. So, can I have a motion to table? >> Motion to table. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Next. Review and discussion of

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outstanding enforcement orders. >> Nothing new. >> Have a motion. >> Motion to table. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. >> Next is a notice of intent SE-24-855. Applicant is Weaver Cove Industry Park Industrial Park LLC. Project location

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New Street. assessor's map is T-2 lot 001 filed by Chris Fartellia Gutart uh consulting LLC on behalf of the applicant. The applicant is proposing after the fact restoration of an area cleared of vegetation. This was tabled from May 4th.

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>> I still see emails back and forth between the different parties and the attorney representing the land owner, but nothing has been submitted for for review. >> Okay. Motion to table. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> All right. All right. Next, uh, notice of intent

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SE-24-857. Applicant Benjamin Phillip Utilities, uh, Philip Liberty Utilities, owner, Spectrum Ready. Location is 994 Jefferson Street. CES map is D-20, lot 002, filed by Ryan Erling of Trymont

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Engineering. On behalf of the applicant, the applicant proposing to install 222 and a half uh feet of 4 inch carrier pipe with a 2 inch uh gas main through means of horizontal drilling. Uh uh project also includes entry and exit

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pit. This was tabled from May 4th. >> Nothing new. >> Motion to take >> second. All in favor? I I >> next uh notice of intent SE-24-861 Aaron Wakowski of Kahill NEPC

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D8 National Grid um owner Weaver's Cove Industrial Park project location existing overhead transmission line uh assesses map multiple locations filed by Erica Marcelia of Power Engineering uh

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consulting PC on behalf of the applicant the Project is located within sections of existing rightaways from Sky Road substation to Somerset Fall River municipal boundaries over the Taton River. Project consists of separation of

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existing N12 and M13 transmission lines um on structures within the existing rightway. This was tabled from May 4th. >> Again, this is the sister project of the Weaver's Cove project and I've heard nothing from u the applicant regarding

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this. So I recommend that at the table. >> Motion table. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> Okay. >> Uh next request of certificate of compliance SE-24-762. Um owners Carlos Arero of uh project

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location 3820 North Main Street says map is X-3- 00010 followed by Peter Lavoy a landmark site design on behalf of the applicant. The applicant will request a certificate of compliance. This is a table from May 4th. >> So, we had sent maybe two or three

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months ago a list of comments of outstanding items that needed to be added to the plan. We still haven't received any of those items. So, with that, I would recommend that the matter be tabled. >> Motion to table. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay.

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Next. Requested certificate of compliance SE-24-756. The owner is Casey Machalo of trustee of Casey Man Recoable Trust. Project location 40 Fedric Street map is C-15- Z007 filed by

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Alexander Kodoski of Cordovski Engineering. On behalf of the applicant, the applicant request certificate of compliance. >> Similar to the previous, we had sent a list of comments of outstanding items that needed to be addressed on the agile plan. We have not yet received any of it. I know Alex said at the last meeting

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that he was working on it. So he's traveling. He's pretty much very seldom home. So he's working on site site site plan comments. So it will be done at some time. I know he's hired a

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site payment guy to pay curb to curb and some some other things. It just it just takes some time. That's all. >> Okay. >> Motion to table. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> Okay. Next. The request of termination accessibility is 207.

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Uh applicant is TRM Development LLC. Property location is Bark Street, Monarch Street, Norwood Street. Assessors maps K-03- 0005 uh 00114 00570094

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filed by Alexander Cordowski of Cordovski engineering applicant and proposing site clearing grubbing install erosion control per approved plan to prepare for future development. >> Yes, that's this is the site. Uh I received today a letter that site plan

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for clearing was approved and also I emailed uh to Patricia some time ago a letter from Mr. Walsh who is wetland scientist and he stated that there are no wetlands in immediate more than within 100 ft of the of the site and

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that's that's pretty much that's pretty much all it is also not that it matters but I'm I'm in the process of designing actual site plan I'm about 60% takes time but uh

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>> so this is a piece of land um if you're not familiar with it is to the west Oh, sorry. To the east of Eastern Avenue, basically between Eastern Avenue and Talbert Middle School. >> Um, it's an area that's full of ledge, rock. A lot of soil testing needs to be done for design purposes and for utility

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locations. So, the applicant wanted the ability to go and clear the trees so that he could get in there and do the ledge testing so that we could get a plan designed that will require the construction of some of the roadways that you see there. and then ultimately was it five or six houses, seven houses

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maybe seven houses >> depending upon what they can get in for design for utilities. So all they're asking for at this point is um to do some clearing of vegetation and rubbing. Um they will have erosion control added and uh installed. It's been through site

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plan review. They have a letter pending issuance of a determination of applicability from from this department. Jim Walsh um a wetland scientist from Westport has gone out. There was there was a wetland probably 300 feet east of

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Norwood Street. Um but I did require that he submit something um for the record illustrating uh where the closest PVW would be. So there's actually nothing in your jurisdiction to approve for resource area. You're just authorizing the work to take place as

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presented. So with that uh the proper order proper issuance would be a negative determination for the proposed work. Okay. I have a motion for >> make a motion to issue a negative determination for the proposed work. No work beyond what has been shown shall be performed.

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>> Second uh roll call. >> I I >> I Okay. And realistically speaking, I think he will probably wait for the plan to be done >> to do anything now. >> I I'm not sure. But yeah, I I I I >> until he gets bored and wants to go cut

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some trees, but that's fine. At least now he's got the ability. I I think but neighbor neighborhood wise it would be more prudent to >> 100% I don't disagree. So good >> because you don't want to create good gracious I drove by some of the streets

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I didn't want to get out of the car. >> Understood they're all dead ends. That's the worst part. You can't get out easy. >> No, I know what I said. >> Great. All righty. Take it easy. >> Next is a notice of intent. SE-24-875

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applicant is Mallister Towing and Transportation Company. Uh owners one Shaw Street LLC project location street map is H-20-001 followed by Todd my bills associate Inc.

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On behalf of the applicant, the applicant is proposing to repair and replace sheet pile bulkhead valuate portions of the site uh behind the seaw wall, repair existing peers, prevent install vent fenders system and

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install reinforced bells support vessels birthing. The applicant is additional proposing dredge uh portion of the uh mark to use terminal dredging occur within the footprint prior after uh dredging the terminal basin E1-2.4mm

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[snorts] MLLW. Finally, applicant will improve site at utilities including shore power proponents capable of supporting cold ironing vessels on birth to reduce emissions and noise impacts. This state name and >> Mr. Chairman, uh, members of the

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commission, my name is Todd Mory, principal of Beiel Associates. Uh, with me this evening is Bob Fairbanks, president of Fairbanks Engineering Corp. Um, really the the head marine and geotechnical engineer for this project. Um, just as some housekeeping to bring you up to speak where we are. We are in

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the middle of NEPA. Um, we filed and received a ENF certificate and we've recently filed the draft EIR. Um, we are there because we need a uh chapter 91 license. We need a 401 water quality sir

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and we'll also be going to Army Corps for this project. All of those comments D just recently made as well that we need that. So, there was no real surprise there. Um, we also received a letter today from Division of Marine Fisheries

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which we're happy to discuss uh this evening. And with that, I'll turn it over to Bob so he can walk you through the proposed project. >> So, we're talking about the port facility at One Shore Street. Um, basically, we're proposing to improve

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the port. Um, it's an industrial marine facility. It is showed up on a port map back in 1861. So, we know it existed at least since 1861, pretty much in the condition it is in now. Um,

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it was owned by the Staples Coal Company, which was incorporated in Fall River in 1950. Um, they performed some improvements to the port back in the 1920s. We have four different D licenses

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that addressed dredging, seaw wall repairs, uh other improvements on site. Probably the biggest one was the existing concrete seaw wall. So that existing concrete seaw wall um is a pretty massive structure. It's not very

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wide. It's only about four or five ft wide, but it extends about 30 I think it's like 36 feet below the existing top. So they somehow coffford damned that and formed it and poured that concrete and it's tied back using 12in x

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18inch reinforced concrete tieback to a dead man system that sits back about 60 ft or so. So it's in tough shape. If you look at the ends you can see the concrete is completely spal. The reinforcing is exposed. The good

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thing back in the 1920s it was very high carbon steel so it doesn't rust like today's steel but eventually it will corrode away and the wall hasn't moved yet but it will at some point and when it does it's going to be a problem. So Mallister

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um is looking to basically improve the site, stabilize the site. Mallister is a family-owned company. They [snorts] were incorporated, I believe, back in the late 1800s. The gentleman that runs it now, the CEO and their chair, um, is a

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fifth generation Mallister. Um, he is I've met with him several times. I'm working for him on another site in Providence right now. They run 13 ports from Portland all the way down to Puerto Rico. Um, they've been in existence. of

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big industrial tugboats that move cargo up and down the rivers, up and down the bays and the open ocean. So they they've been in existence for 160 years. I've worked with him in Providence. He's interested in doing the right thing. You know, he wants to be sensitive to the

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environment. They've cleaned up the site in Providence, Rhode Island. He was under no order to do that. Spent several million dollars to clean it up. Um, and he would like to improve this port also in order to allow for they have larger

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tugboats now. He actually has vessels coming in there that use this for offshore wind. Um, they just need a deeper depth. They need a bender better fender system. They need more ballards of higher capacity to be able to tie

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off. Um, and they want to be able to cold iron while they're there. So, improvement of the utilities. They need shore power. They need to be able to pump out um sewage. So, this project is

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basically trying to improve the port so that they can use it for the next 50 years. It's also an MTSA 105 facility, which if you ever been down there, you'll notice that there's a fence around the entire facility with barb

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wire. So, they have vessels from out of the country that visit there. So, it's like going into a secure port. There's a guard there 24 hours a day. You've got to get buzzed in and out. You typically need a Twick card to get on site. Um, so

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that will continue. Um, as all of you know, this along this shoreline, they can be hit by hurricanes. So, very high energy area. Um, and during those big storms, this site will flood. It

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also gets impacted by waves. If you look at the stone revetments that were built around the legs that basically create the the port area inside those stones have basically been bounced around um because of the size of the waves. They

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also get nuisance flooding now um because back in 1925 when they built this wall they built it to elevation 5.5 was probably fine but there's been some sea level rise. We all know that. Um, and a couple of times a year, normal

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high tides, especially in the fall, will flood that parking lot. So, the intent is when we build the new bulkhead system, we're going to raise the site to elevation 8. It's at 5.5 now, just to make the site more flood resilient um during the nuisance tides. We doesn't

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doesn't help us during a hurricane, right? So, the still water level there is like just under elevation 14. So, everything will be underwater. Um, and it's a VE I want to say VE24. It's it's a very very high impact area that'll

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impact all the way back to the the railroad tracks. Um, so basically the plans that have been submitted is to improve the site, repair the seaw walls. All right, we've got a combination of that big concrete seaw

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wall that is roughly a little over 500 ft long on the one side. And then they've got stone seaw walls that complete those enclosures. The intent is to basically drive steel sheet pile or king piles along the entire inside and

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outside of the existing structures. So the reason we need them on the outside is we're going to use that to basically tie off the inside sheet pile. We don't have enough room to get a dead man system in there given the depth of water. So we have to have something to tie to on the other side. So that's the

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intent. And if you notice on the plans, you'll see that we basically are running sheep pile along the outside, come on the inside, and basically follow that entire footprint that you see when you look at the Google image. Um I already mentioned that we're going to raise

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grade to basically make the site a little more flood resilient. It's the same grades that we're using at other facilities that they have. Um and it's it's worked well. the elevation eight seems to be the sweet spot. You get any higher, nine or 10, it gets very difficult for them to get on and off the

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vessels. Um, any lower and you get the nuisance flooding issues. Um, upgrading the utilities we talked about. Cold ironing is very important. Um, it's something that you didn't think about 30 years ago. They would just let the tugboch. But, you know, now they

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turn them off for missions. Um, and they but they still need power. So upgrading the electric and then having the ability to pump out sewage um is a benefit. And we'll also raise existing structures on grade to above the BFE. So they've got a

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couple of trailers down there. Um one for the guard that's on site 24 hours a day and another one is kind of a quasi operations um for the Mallister group. I you know I think broad overview

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that's pretty much the project. I know we had this division of marine fisheries uh letter come in. I don't know if you want us to address that. Most of this is really not going to be a concern. It's going to be addressed by the core when we get into dredging. Most of their

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comments related to dredging. >> They had how much dredging are you going to do? It's 13. >> I don't know how much you're gonna fill, but how much are you going to drip? >> It's 13,750 yards >> from exist. >> Well, it on average we're going to And this is a weird number, right? Elevation

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minus 27.42. It's Mallister wants minus 255 mean low water, right? That's what all the ships they want to know from the lowest low water where the bottom is because they don't want to hit it. >> So, it' be minus 25. In all of these

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documents, it confused the EP. So we converted everything so that it related back to NGVD uh I mean NAVD88 which is what everybody uses for FEM. >> Yeah. >> Then you want they want you on a different >> the core wants MLLW. Absolutely. Yes. So

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when we go to the core we will give them both. I gave when we put the plans together we gave them both and it confused D. So >> neighbor had a hard time. >> We had revise everything. Um but yes, so 13,750 cubic yards is what we're looking to

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dredge. That is we've got areas in there that are already deeper in the middle than what we want as a maximum dredge depth. But as you work your way back, especially to those granite block walls, that was standard construction. When you had a good firm bot, you could put a

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seaw wall like that in place. You didn't have to worry about it settling. The section where the concrete wall was must have been back in the day some type of wetland because we have Pete that's down, you know, 20some feet below the top of that wall. They were able to get right through it and get down on good

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hard till with that concrete. That's why that wall is still looking, you know, pretty good for a wall that's been in place for over a hundred years now. >> So at the wall? >> Yep. >> What's the depth of excavation at the wall? And is there any concern with regards to the stability of it once that

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fill is taken away? Like is it enough? Is it substantially enough to have that to have that concern? >> No, it's a good question. Um, that's what the new bulkhead will address. >> The new bulkhead >> has to be installed first. Bulkhead go. >> The new bulkhead is those sheets the bottom of concrete anyway.

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>> Yeah. No, they go much deeper than that. Oh, really? Yes. So, these the new sheets are probably 60 ft long. So, they're in the bottom usually. And I I can pull a plan out and tell you exactly because we have the cross-sections, but typically from whatever the bottom of

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the wall is, whatever your exposed height is, you're somewhere between a third and a half of embedment. But whatever that exposed height is for an anchored wall. If we were going to do a canal lever wall, that's different. And you'd be probably one to one, one and a

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half, sometimes even two, depending on how bad the soil is. Here, we think we're going to flirt with rock in a couple of places. We got five borings. Um, so you'll notice on the plans that we're proposing two different types of walls where I can get the penetration for the steel sheets and we can dredge

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and we know we have stability. Those sheets will be driven. If I can't get the toe of those sheets as deep as they need to go, we're going to go to a kingpile wall system, which is basically nothing but an I-beam that has a connector on it that allows you to

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thread a sheet. So you you drive I beam I beam I beam I beam I beam and then in between them steel sheet steel sheet steel sheet. So those if we get into bedrock we basically will core those into bedrock lock them in place with concrete and then just slip the the a

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sections or the pz sections the steel sheets between them. They don't have to go nearly as deep. That system relies on the strength of those I beams. >> How bad material you dredging? I'll know when I test it. That's why I prefer to

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go into a CAD cell. Just knowing the history of what was behind us um and the area in general. Um you know, some some type of onshore just doesn't make a lot of sense. Even going offshore into some of the places um they may make us uh

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separated. I did this at Dowo Chemical in Connecticut where we had bad material and we had good material. So they made us move all the bad material first, dump it offshore, and then we dredged the cleaner material after, and we capped it. We had to go out and do a camera survey. We had to cut sections through

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to make sure everything laid down the way they anticipated it would when we dumped it from the dump scout. >> Um, how does the how does the salt business get affected by this proposal? >> They they won't be affected um immediately. I mean, I can't speak for

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long-term business interests. I think if offshore wind really took off and they and they needed more space that it might be something that Mallister could enteraining expanding beyond what their permissible area is now. >> They really can't get any closer to the bulkhead, it would be a problem.

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>> Um, they're behind the dead men right now, which is not an issue, but if they decided, we looked at salt and providence and they wanted to put it over. I said, you can't, right? We had organic silts and that were going to settle like feet and feet. I said we'll take the tie rods. We'll bend it. It

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just be a problem. So here we got decent material as we step away from the existing wall and behind the dead man. >> Okay. I like I said in this letter I don't know. I heard some comments earlier >> at this point. No. Um

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>> okay. I in my report I had recommended pulled up we finally get a a file number which I'm surprised we got one this quick that had a bunch of comments to to deal with uh the DMF letter came in today with some minor things more of >> time of year restrictions >> um but then again the soil I mean where

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is it going as well >> we expect time of year that just comes with dredging >> the one that I would just like to bring to your attention because I get this from time to time um especially if someone isn't seasoned in construction

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and construction methods. The comment on the second page about trying to install the new bulkhead at the same line as the existing seaw walls is something that you would think maybe in theory makes a little bit of sense and when you think

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about the practicality of it and I basically that's why we overheet things because we can't remove the structure that's there before we put the next one in. How far out from the face will you be? >> Uh, probably less than two feet. The core gets

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nervous when you go more than three. It's a whole different permit process. I usually can keep these things so that I'm driving the back edge right up against the face of the existing wall. And and I've done it on many, many jobs. So then it just depends on what the width of the sheet is. And I just drove

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some sheets that were 9 in wide. I've driven sheets that are 18 in wide. Um, so here I'm guessing I'm going to be under two feet when we're all said and done. >> Okay, good. So with that, my recommendation would be of course that that we table the matter to get some of the other stuff resolved, see what

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happens with with MEPA. Um, but I will ask that the commission vote to allow us to hire a peer reviewer due to the complexity of it. I mean, I've dealt with some of this stuff to a certain degree, certainly not to the level that that I think it needs to be looked at. Um, but

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that would be up for you guys to decide that. >> Yeah, I agree with that, too. >> Not not to belabor it forever. Um, but it's it's a lot and it's something that that that we've never looked at for sure. >> This is beyond a uh

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you know, restoration of an existing wall that we've done some stuff with whether it be through chapter 91 or marinas or anything else. This is this is heavy duty construction. So there are a lot of moving parts and a lot of different permitting agencies that

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that'll have their hands in this more so than the conservation commission jurisdiction. >> Sure. Absolutely. >> But I just like to get a a firmer handle that we're not going to miss something before we say I mean our permit is always conditional upon every other state and federal permit that that they

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need to get. However, I think we should get a little bit of a better understanding of what's happening. So if >> more so of the land of the landwood proposals of what's going on I what happens in the water you know isn't really all out just jurisdiction just to make sure [clears throat] >> other permits are in place. >> Okay. So can I have a motion to send us

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to a peer review? >> Motion >> second a roll call. >> I >> we have both of your emails because I'll forward you the three proposals. >> Sure. Yeah. You definitely have mine. Y and then Bob and I talk almost every

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day. >> You have a consultant that you typically use from type stuff >> for something like this. No, we don't. So, so that's what you know, um I'm going to have to do a little bit of research. And >> if you've got some name, I would I would I would send it to you, but [laughter]

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>> No, it's all good. It's um it's a big job. >> Maybe have Stephanie take a look at it. >> Yes. And my daughter does this. We work together all the time. Um but >> different company. >> Yep. But uh yes, so I thank you and want to thank you for getting us on the docket so fast. I'm not used to seeing

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that quick turnaround. >> I saw the end of the second page and I told them that well we're going to plan for later. >> No, we only doing good with new business. >> Old business, some of these things have been on here for 6 months, eight months. >> I appreciate it. >> We just can't, you know,

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>> Weaver's Cove, you know, up away from you is is one of the the old shell station just um >> Yeah. You talking about Weaver Cove like off of Portsouth? >> No. No. No. >> Right down the road. Yeah. From us. Yes. >> Veterans Memorial Bridge in Branker Street Bridge. Old Shell station up there that

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>> they've been uh under enforcement order for a while. >> I don't even know how long. Almost a year maybe. >> Probably a year. Yeah. >> And back and forth with some consultants and >> Oh, we won't take up any more of your time. I know anybody wants to get a >> motion. Motion table. Motion to table the matter.

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>> Second. Bo. Okay. >> And but if you do have cons other consulting firms at least for a starting point, I don't mind. >> Oh, absolutely. Because this is this tends to be >> your competition in one way. >> Uh it's I'm a I'm a oneman show. I've

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been doing this for 40 years. I get clients that have been using me and I prefer if you use somebody that at least understands the terminology because I'll get, you know, >> So I can't go to a wellness scientist with this. >> Exactly. Exactly. [laughter] So yeah, let let's talk. >> All right. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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Thank you. >> Okay. Next is a requested certificate of compliance SE-24-161. Uh applicant is 3G Realy Limited Partnership. Project location 372 Steven Street. Access map is E-26-001

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filed by Sean Ainsworth of Insight. Uh in here on behalf of the applicant, the applicant requested certificate of compliance. So you guys may remember we just took this off the agenda. We've been waiting for an updated ASIL plan for the certificate of compliance and I had basically I had explained very difficult

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to prepare a plan >> that was designed in 95 that's completely covered um to make some ascertation of did this thing get built in accordance with with what was there. Um, so Sean was able to give us a plan that does have far more information than

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what we previously had, but in my opinion, still not enough to to ensure that this thing was built correctly. And so much of it has to do with the fact that the original design involved a bunch of infiltration systems that are in the ground. So trying to determine

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how many units, what kind of units like in one of them I think shown only has shown as an outline. It just says infiltration system. So, I' I'd like to get a little bit more clarity of what was built or what was in the ground, you know, invert system things. And I don't know whether we can even get that

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information without really being, you know, investigative and digging and I'm trying not to get that to happen, but even like catch basin invert. So, some things like that. So I think outfall wise I think we're pretty much in good shape of where of what's hitting the the

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wetland edge but what's actually been built under the parking lot and kind of like a culmination of permits what did get built what didn't get built [snorts] I don't think they built everything that was on the original plan like as far as parking lot goes so I think we're we're kind of in between there so hopefully

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over the next month you know if you decide to table the matter and I can and work to do the best we can with getting enough information out of the plan that we're comfortable with signing off on this. >> I do understand that they have a closing that they're trying to sell it. Um, all the more reason to make sure that deals

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with >> We actually came it. >> Okay, good. So, I don't have that information. So, maybe that'll help. >> No, we actually came it seeing at the same time he had the catch basins and all the pipes cleaned out. Those are the uh the bills from it. >> Um, these are two of the pictures of the

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camarry. Um, I believe that's one of the drains coming out of the building itself in the middle. And this is the north edge. Um, right next to where the benchmark, the

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hydrant, that one. Yep. >> And the first picture I gave you would be where the little jog comes out of the building. He also went through his father's pictures from years ago. This um this is one of the downspout drains

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that were put in. I went over that with Russ today. I believe that's the one north of the south infiltration system if I'm not mistaken. Uh this one is goes along the north edge the infiltration system to the north uh

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basically up again by that hydrant. This one is the south infiltration system putting the piping in from the building. You can see the infiltrators over on the back concrete. This is another construction picture. >> I mean, these are the same photo, right?

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Just that's this, >> I believe. So, yes. Yes. Um, this one is I believe the south coming out of the building where the jog is. I went over these today with Russ

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and this is I believe this is the catch basin one. [snorts] Oh, this is along the south one other corner with the other. So, >> those are the old historical pictures that uh he found um showing the

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infiltration units. Again, we went out and had it came. Uh, a couple of pictures there from the camera. And >> did they could they get into the inf infiltration systems with the cameras? >> Yes, they did. They got into them. Matter of fact, those camera pictures, you'll notice there's a >> a box unit, a concrete box unit. They

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got the camera in as far as they could. >> Okay. >> Um, so to the best of our knowledge, without digging up the parking lot, >> um, the infiltration system was set was put in. Okay. um and everything, those three

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infiltration systems that fall under the jurisdiction from what we could find as far as the cameraing goes and those old pictures, they were installed. Okay? >> And we can only make the assumption that if they were called for six, the for six of them were put in. Um and also knowing

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the conservation commission back then, they were a bunch of bulldogs. I know. [snorts] I had to deal with him a few times. >> Still on it. Late >> 90s. >> No. >> No. That was before. That was when >> Priscilla though

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>> Priscilla was there. Joanne Marshall. >> They spent more time on the sites than anybody. >> They drove me crazy. >> Um Ron Cody was the uh the chairman at the time if I'm not mistaken. I I'd have to look at the NOI to find out exactly who it was, but >> I would tend to think they wouldn't let

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anything slide back then. Why there was never a COC filed at that point in time. >> I don't know either, but maybe maybe it was because they maybe it was because they didn't get built correctly. I don't know. He's trying to do the best job that we can do before we give it a blessing. >> So, since then,

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>> he did scrape the asphalt down on the southern one initially. He scraped it up and they did find some concrete structures under there. So, >> I just wasn't too sure the actual configuration of them >> to be proactive. >> Yeah. If you can find them and you can get to

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the top of them. >> Yep. >> Why don't we have a manhole with a cleanout installed? Because these haven't been cleaned for 30 years. >> Uh you also look too they >> they cleaned out the infiltration system. >> They cleaned out the pipes, the catch basins, and the and they they they jet

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they jetted all of it. So it's all been cleaned out. There's a receipt there for that also, too. >> Of the infiltration systems. >> Yep. I I would assume they they cleaned out everything. They did the uh catch basins and they used whatever the jet washer there, the thing they use. I'm

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not familiar with how they clean these things, but um they supposedly did all the drainage systems out there. They cleaned them out. >> All right. So, why don't you get again this is for the file, right? So, let's get a plan that has some additional

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inverts information like what elevation did these things get built at? Catch basin inverts. Maybe you can get a narrative from the company of what what did they clean specifically, whether it was just lines, whether it was

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infiltration. Maybe we get some cleanouts installed over. Was it three systems? >> Yes. >> So two linear ones and then the one that's in the corner that's a little more square. So, let's see if we can and then we maybe we can potentially

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reference some photos with plan locations, something to see if we can tidy this record keeping up >> so that we can hopefully move this forward. >> Yeah. >> Keep you keep all this for now. >> So, >> and then let's get something in. Well, my my opinion I don't tell the the

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petition how to vote, but >> um this again these pictures are dated 521. So if we had this information three months ago, >> then we maybe we could have been more proactive about getting this cleaned up. >> Yeah.

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>> Three weeks, two weeks later. >> So >> um >> but um >> far far improved from what we initially had to look at. And even on the plan, there's there were a couple of contours that are impossible to be, but we'll we'll clean this as plan the best. >> So and uh well, the only thing with the

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cleanouts, I mean, I'm sure you know uh Russ won't have a problem putting cleanouts in. If we got if we got to dig them up to find them, then that that's fine. Also, I mean, he'll put the cleanouts in. Easy to find. >> Yeah. Well, >> they are easy to find. Like I said, the southern one, he already scraped the asphalt. Make sure they were under

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there, and they were under there. So, you know, I mean, we can add the cleanouts even though that wasn't part of the original >> um notice of intent and order of conditions. If the commission wants it, I'm sure we can add it in there. So, I can talk to Russ and explain to him what's going on. I'm sure he'll be

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getting get it taken care of in the next day or two. >> At least it gives us something that we can at least stick our head in and see a chamber. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> two birds, one stone. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> So, >> but we're getting there for sure. >> All right.

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>> Table second. >> I made the first >> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought >> Oh, no. I was portioning the table. [laughter] >> Yeah, but like reference them on the plan C photo, whatever. Label the photo. I mean, I I would rather have one

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complete submission rather than get a peace meal. >> Yeah, no problem. >> Just just so that we know so that so that we can help the best that we can. I I you know when they're hoping to close because the what ends up happening is so we've asked for a while to get this

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resolved. It was discovered in the process of sale that there was the the closing attorney for the buyer said, "Hey, you got an outstanding order of conditions." Well, that's correct. We've been telling you for a year you have an outstanding order of conditions. But they weren't going to

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be responsive to us. So now they have to be responsive to the closing attorney, otherwise there's no sale. And that's the purpose of recording orders of conditions, certificates of compliance, hoping that somebody does their job down the road because this if the attorney hadn't found that, this would have

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gotten sold, this landowner wouldn't have been responsive to us. So, thankfully, somebody was doing their homework title wise. Um, >> well, in all all defense of Russ, I mean, he didn't even know this was open either. I mean, >> he did. I told him. >> Well, you you initially told him.

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>> Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying he came to that he didn't know. I'm saying since then though it wasn't such a firestorm to respond to me when I brought it to his attention. Firestorm now because the attorney says you can't sell it until you resolve this. So >> understood. >> I'm sure we can get it squared away. I

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did I did talk to him today and he said well if they continue it another month and they've got some conditions we'll be able to take care of them. So I'm sure the closing's not till July sometime. >> Appreciate it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Have a good night everybody. >> Thank you. [clears throat] All righty. >> We put that back on. I think we're loud

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enough to be heard in that one. That's fine. >> Uh let's see. Next is a recommendation of the open space recreation plan. >> So, what I can tell you is that um over the last three years, at least two >> um we've had an open space and recreation committee. Every 7 to 10

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years, we need to update our open space and recreation plan for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. >> Um that allows us to get certain fundings and everything else. So, there was a committee established um that provided input on different recreational opportunities, parks, open

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space for the water department, uh reservoir stuff, bikes, anything that falls under open space and recreation. We need to have a road map moving forward of what we're going to do. So, the committee was put into place about a two-year process. John was one of the one of the members um not from

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conservation. Chris was the conservation agent uh member. John was on from >> CPA, >> CPA. um maybe like 10 or 11 of us. So, we've gotten to the point now where we worked with Serpent as our consultant to put this all together. Big document um ready to submit that for approval. With

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that approval, they asked for as many letters of recommendation um that we possibly can. Uh so, we're we've asked I think I've gotten 10 so far from the mayor's office, uh CPC, a bunch of different agencies. So, the conservation commission and the planning

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board are the only ones that I don't have um because those have to be voted on and so that way it's presented that an actual vote was taken. So, we're asking that you um endorse the OSRP with the understanding that I was involved, John was uh Chris was involved, and John

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was involved or I can send you copies of it and you can read it yourself if you're that interested in it. So, with that, if you have any questions, I can answer them. Um, but you've asked the act to vote however you see fit. >> Uh,

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do you want to make a motion to vote to accept the plan? >> I'll make the motion to accept it. >> Second roll call. >> I >> I >> Okay. And this letter is good enough for you. >> Yep. Yeah. I took the verbiage that you sent me and just put it on letterhead.

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>> All right. So, you can sign that. We'll take that. >> All right. Uh, let's see. Next. uh correspondent decision from energy facility board regarding transmission lines at Bell Rock Road.

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>> So this is just um different permits and different reviews that get done by larger institutions. They send copies to everybody, zoning board, appeals, planning board. So normally this is just something that you would vote to place on file. Has nothing to do with permitting. We've already

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done our due diligence with permitting and a certificate of compliance for this site that's up off of Bell Rock Road. >> Okay. Motion to place on file. >> Motion in place on file. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> Okay. Uh next, approval of minutes from

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May 4th. Who was here at May 4th? >> Some of you can't vote. >> The three of them. >> Okay. So, we'll have to hold >> We'll have to hold off on that. >> Four. We'll table that. Do I need a motion to table that, too? >> Yeah. Motion and table. >> Motion and table. >> Do I have a second?

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>> Can I second it? >> Yes. Not second. Y. >> All in favor? >> Okay. No citizen input. Can I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. Very good.