Good evening everyone. I'm Richard Mancini, chairman of the historical commission for the city of Fall River. It is 6 pm on Monday, March the 23rd, and we are meeting at one government center on the first floor in the hearing
room. Pursuant to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium. Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made, whether perceived or
unpersceived by those present, and are deemed acknowledgeable and permissible. Our recording clerk this evening is Felicia. She's sitting to my right. And this meeting is being televised and recorded by Craig of the Fall River Government TV.
Present this evening are Commissioners Alicia Ashley Dunia, Commissioner and Cochair Jonathan Lemur, Commissioner Connie Soul, Commissioner Joyce Rodri, Commissioner Caroline Orin, and
Commissioner Ryan Klene is not here at this moment. And I, Chair Rick Mancini, and our clerk, Felicia Parker. Felicia, have all petitions been properly advertised and all interested parties been notified in accordance with
the rules and regulations of the historical commission for the city of Fall River? >> Yes. >> Okay. I hereby declare uh Monday on March 23rd the regularly scheduled meeting of the historical commission for the city of Fall River open for such
business and shall resume before us. Okay. Good evening everyone. My goodness, look at the smiling faces we have here this evening. It's a pleasure. Thank you. Okay. Uh, can we have a roll call, please?
>> Ashley Dunia, present. >> Jonathan Lima, present. >> Connie Soul, present. >> Joyce Rodri, present. >> Caroline Auben, present. >> And Rick Manceni, present. We have no citizens input as such. We
have a purpose here. Okay. Uh, let's see. Next would be notice of intent to demolish. Uh, the building department requested that the historical commission review a garage located at 133.
>> Minutes. We had approved minutes. >> The minutes. Oh, I went right over that. Moving too fast. >> Um, approve the February 17th meeting minutes. >> I'll second that motion. >> Can we have a roll call on that, please? >> Ashley, yes. >> John, yes. Yes,
>> Joyce. Yes. >> Yes. >> And Rick Mancini. Yes. Sorry about that. Let's get right into the next item, which would get into notice of intent to demolish. Uh the building department requested that the historical commission
review a garage located at 173 Keelley Street for demolition. The building was not listed on the historical significant list, nor was it listed on the national or mass historical register. So, the
permit was issued. Um, all right, let's go right to letters of support this evening. Um, well, I see is Mr. Ed Hemsley there, please. Ed, are you available?
>> Yeah. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> Thanks for having me. You're welcome. Uh Ed, you're presenting tonight for the Globe Mills. Could you just sort of present to us? Correct. Yes. Good evening. My name is
Ed Hamzandu. I'm representing Mascan Capital for development at Globe Milos located at 460 Global Street. Uh we have not done any physical work. We expect to start the construction later in summer
as originally scheduled. We have not made any uh changes uh major changes to the drawings that you already have. We are advancing our construction documents which I believe I should be able to share more advanced drawings with you
for the next meeting but we don't expect to see any changes major changes in terms of the the design. >> I pause you. >> Good. Any questions from the board?
Okay, Ed is looking for a continued letter of support for his quarterly letter. >> Okay, >> make a motion to grant letter. >> I'll second that motion. >> Okay, do we have a roll call? >> Ashley, yes. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Joyce, yes. >> Yes. >> And Rick Manceni. Yes. Okay, great. And I guess we have uh Kristen Pock. Is am I spelling or pronouncing that correct?
>> Paula. Yes. >> Yes. Okay. Kristen. >> Hello. Yes. I'm um representing the Lizzie Bordon LLC. Um we are applying for a preservation tax credit. And I came across instructions to meet with
you all to get an approval letter um for the work that we're planning on doing at the Lizzie Bordon House. It's at 2302nd Street. It's a Corki Row historic district and our main goal is just to preserve and maintain the historic
structure in a way that maintains the historic characteristics and appearance like using similar exterior paint color and other characteristics that uh you see in the historic images of the building. I'm sure you all are probably familiar with the Lizzie Bordon story
and the infamous murders um in the late 1800s. So the building was constructed in around 1845. Uh it it has a Greek revival style structure. Um and it largely maintains a lot of the internal layout as a chamber
style layout. Um it's previously been recognized as an important contributing building in the district. I think when Corki Road District was first listed in the National um park services like historic places, I think um that's when
Lizzie Bordon House was listed as a contributing um building there. So, we're just trying to do some deferred maintenance, restore some aspects of the building, um including roof replacement, um some exterior paint and woodworking
that needs to be um complete as well as some interior work. We've got some wallpaper, flooring that needs replacement, HVAC work, things of that nature. But, uh do you have any questions for me?
>> Questions from the board? Uh, regarding your roof, did you say repair or replacement? >> It'll be a complete replacement. >> And what are you using? Is it the same? >> A metal roof. Um, looking at historic
images, looks like it was consistent with that kind of brings that gable roof style back together. >> All right. Yes. Uh, would you be presenting a sample of that roof material before it's being applied?
>> Um, I'll have to check on that. You want a sampling of roof material? Um, I can present pictures and things. I don't know. I wasn't sure what all needed to be presented here tonight. Um, but I can get the board anything that you have questions on.
>> Okay. And you said something uh about you're looking for a letter of support for some sort of tax incentive. >> Yeah, I came across a checklist from Massachusetts that said that it needed a
CLG approval letter. Um that's why I reached out to you all and was scheduled for this hearing tonight. I don't know if it's for the state tax or the federal tax credit. Um but it was part of that process that I came ac I came across you all.
Okay. The the U CLG that's certified uh legal government which funds research uh if you're having a study done uh things of that nature and uh Massachusetts Yeah. Mass and and the uh the federal
government support that. And yes, we're one of only 33 certified legal government affiliations in in the uh state. Uh but we'll a letter of support
can be supplied. Um but that is tax credits by the federal government or by the state are different than the CLG. >> Okay. >> Okay. But you can work that out or we can talk about that later and get more
clarification for you. >> Okay, that sounds good. >> Any any other questions? >> No, I think I think the the question at hand is really what the scope of the work is. Uh certainly with regard to the roof, you mentioned woodwork. Um, not
sure if you're doing anything with windows, but everything's got to remain true to the historical character of the home and and should be replaced in kind. >> Uh, generally, we like to see uh what the materials are going to look like and
have some sort of drawings or information about what we're supporting before issuing I think support. >> I'm sure the existing roof is asphalt shingles. >> Yeah, I think so. Um, so switching from
a traditional to the metal roof, um, which bears some questions there. >> Okay. >> Like if that's what it originally was before it became asphalt, then it would be >> um, it would be okay
if you were going to go put a tin. >> Yeah. I wasn't able to find much online as to what the original was. It said that metal roofing was popular during the time. Um, so it seemed like it would
be consistent with the historic period. >> Yeah. The the again the roof is is kind of an important issue. Uh, and again the materials that are going to be used. Uh, the original request was for a tax a
letter of support for tax credits. uh this is a little more uh than a letter of support for tax credits where you're replacing the roof at this point. So uh the next step for you would be to get us
copies uh or actually samples or you could send photos but actual samples uh you know would bode better for us to make a determination on the materials. >> Okay, I can work on that. Maybe the the
handbook that we hope to >> the design guides. Yeah. >> Okay. >> You could get a a copy of the design um guidelines that we have online and you can download it or you can just like look through it and it it um it can
guide you in the right direction as well. >> Okay, great. >> And that's right on our our web page under Fall River City of Fall River. you can get right into the historical commission website and you can download
that booklet. >> Okay, >> any other questions? None. Okay. Well, we can take a vote on that letter of support this evening uh for, you know, to to future your your
endeavor on getting the tax credits because those are always available. Um, so does someone want to make a motion for a letter of support for tax credit letter? >> Tax credit letter for >> very similar to what Ed has. She it
looks like originally the request was looking for a letter of support so that the they could apply for tax credits >> for the work that's being done. I guess to get get some funding back. Is that even something that
>> has anything started? >> Well, it it does with letter of support. That's what we just did with Ed, >> but we usually know what the scope is before we give the letter of support. >> Mhm. >> And we don't really know what the scope is. We we don't have any designs or
given any idea. I mean I I I think you've given us general ideas of what you plan to do but there isn't any um specific like uh specifics and the scope we need like the scope of work before we >> okay
>> approve anything you take >> and I can email that to you Rick. I think I have your email address. I was just going through the um like part one and part two of the National Park Service. Um >> right. I mean that's the idea. We really
want to be supportive. We're really thrilled with what you're doing >> and you know and >> it's just that we have a a process to follow. So it's not that we're being >> Yeah. >> difficult. We just how can we take a vote? >> Yeah, I I see your point. Well well
taken. Uh the uh again the original intent what the emails were to get a letter of support for some tax credits that you were going for. Uh is that still in your Bailey work? >> Yeah. And it's just we have a couple
properties around the nation. Um and every state is a little bit different. And so when I was going um to fill out all of the paperwork for Massachusetts, um I just came across your commission and it said needing a letter of of
approval. So um that's when I reached out to you all, but I can definitely get some additional information to you and send that over to you, Rick, if that would work out. And I think you guys you meet monthly, right? >> We do. Why don't we uh just sort of table this
for this evening and if you could send uh documentation, you could go through the guidelines and then send through uh as much information as possible, drawings, photos, uh give us a a better understanding of what you're going to be
doing with the building. And if you could send that to Felicia, that would be f pa kr at fall rivermass.gov. >> Okay.
>> And send all the correspondence to Felicia and she will uh get that to us. >> Okay. Great. Sounds great. >> So, we'll just table things for this evening. Okay. >> Does that meet with the Does that meet with the board's approval?
>> Yes. So, let's take a vote. >> Okay. We set with that. >> I'm very very >> Okay. >> I'll make a motion to table this for tonight and then with additional information, we'll get you on the next um the next meeting. >> I'll second that.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Roll call. >> Ashley, yes. >> John, yes. >> Connie, yes. >> Joyce, yes. Caroline, yes. >> Rick Mancini, yes. And the next meeting is April the 21st,
and we'll you're still out in the Florida area, so we again will get you the Zoom uh information prior to the meeting. >> That's great. >> Sounds great. >> Yeah. And no, it's it's a wonderful project and you know, we're we're 100%
behind you. We want to help you as much as possible. So, thank you for >> Thank you both. >> Yeah. Thank you for keeping us with us. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> You're welcome. >> Okay.
Uh I guess Caroline >> um I'm going to recuse myself um from the voting for this so that I can present. >> Wonderful. Um Caroline Aubin. I'm here on behalf of the Fall River Historical Society um
asking for a letter of support um for the Department of Inspectional Services for the phase two of our roof restoration project. >> Okay. Is is the board familiar with the historical society and what's going on
there? >> Yeah. >> Okay. You're familiar with that? >> Yeah, I do. I have a Can I ask question? >> Absolutely. Yes. >> What does inspectional services actually do before you do a renovation? What is
the process? >> That's the building department. They they have to issue a permit. So, they're going to go to the historical society and inspect the work before the work is actually done. >> Yes, they'll issue a permit so that we
can legally start the work on our next section. >> Why would you need a letter of support for that? Isn't that what they do anyway? >> No, it it's not a letter of support. It's a it's a release in order for them to pull a permit
because it has CPC money. It has to follow all of the uh significant structures list we as the historical. >> So it's not really a letter of support. >> It's well it's a it's a letter letter
authorizing. Yes, we're authorizing that the building permit be issued for the contractor to get his building permit and perform the task. It's a letter of support essentially in favor of saying yes um you've met all
the standards, the design guidelines, we support you in this endeavor and then they need that in order to get authority from the building permit uh the building department to release a building permit to them. They essentially it's a building permit, the building department doing their due diligence, making sure
they've come through us first >> to say, "Okay, yeah, you're good. You're using the right material." >> Yeah, I'm all set. I just don't, you know, I want to get clarification because it seems that's what the inspectional services would do anyway. I
mean, it's part of every project that goes on here. Yeah, >> Joyce, I can probably explain it so that you understand it. It's just like a 40C building, >> but they've received CPC funding. >> So, they need >> I see. >> Yes, they need they need that letter of
authorization. >> The issue with CPC funding as opposed to any work that they inspect. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Got it. >> Okay. >> I'd like to make a motion to provide a letter of support. I will second them.
>> Okay, we'll take a roll call, please. >> Ashley, yes. >> John, yes. >> Connie, yes. >> Joyce, yes. >> And Rick Mancini, yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay, thank you. >> Okay,
I guess the next gentleman would be Ian Tomkin. >> Tomkins and Tomkins. >> Hi. Hi. >> How you doing, Ian? >> Uh, we're in the middle of our uh >> Ian, could you just give us your name
and address for the records, please? >> Uh, this I'm Ian Tomkins. Uh, we live at 636 Rock Street in Fall River. Um, and >> what else? >> That should do it. Now you can present. It's just to get you on the record for
the the viewing audience and legal responsibilities here. Uh, so I brought a few images in case anybody didn't have them. Uh, and you can pass around. But, um, where, uh, the at the at the rear at the west side of, uh, 636 Rock
Street, we are proposing to add some additional windows. Um, it's kind of two separate issues. One is a large window that we want to add on the second floor rear balcony. Um, for that window, um, there's two
pre-existing large windows to the on the left and right side of the balcony, and we wanted to add one additional large center window to it. Uh, the balcony at some point in history was an open porch. Um, so the window we're adding there,
uh, kind of brings it back to its original character where it's more open but still can remain enclosed for the usage it's had over the past several half a century at least. Uh I I assume the second owner based on
how much uh the orientation we pulled up from the floor. I actually think at some point it might have just been two separate balconies and then the middle was kind of bridged across later when they tore down the chimney. Um that's that's kind of what we've figured out
roughly. But um either way, our goal we would really like to be able to put that center window in the uh on the second floor balcony. The second issue we had is on the third floor, uh we would like to put in two additional windows um to
the third floor rear of the house. Um we're we would like to, but it's not like uh the end of the world if we don't. That used to probably be like maid's quarters up there. Um so historically uh there wouldn't be that many windows in
the maid's quarter. They're short small windows, but uh you know modernizing the usage of the home, we wanted to add a few extra windows, bring in some more light given that they are low small windows up there. It would be a nice it would be a nice added effect to the third floor.
>> Okay. >> Especially with the sunset over the the view of the Fall River Bay, it' be a really it would make that living space a little better. >> Okay. would you go into uh explaining the research that you've done uh because
your intent I believe is to rehab most of these windows rather than just straight replacement. >> That is correct. >> Would you go into details just give us the board a better update? >> So, uh I mean I was looking at another project which read me down the rabbit
hole of reading about the National Park Services application. I'm not going to do that for Rock Street. Uh I don't think it would qualify. It's not a commercial project or anything. Um uh but for most of the windows in the home, we plan to stick to the National Park
Services preference for repair um rather than replace um for everything that we're not replacing. Uh well, some some of the some some parts some windows have already been replaced with vinyl replacements. We actually want to try to bring those back and restore them to the
original. So, we're e we're either going to repair things as they are primarily. Um, a lot of the single pane windows we would we're going to be presenting this later. Right now, we're kind of more focused on just getting it so that we
can figure out if we can add our extra window uh where we got to cut the hole in. We'd like to get our walls and insulation back up. But um essentially we're we're looking at trying to keep the thin profile of the
single pane. We're looking into vacuum glass products which are only like 38 inches thick. And we'll be I'll bring a sample in when I order a couple of those, but that's another rabbit hole. Um but I basically the point is we're
trying to repair things as possible. We're going to add some weather proofing to the existing single pane windows for now. We'll go back and see if we want to upgrade the panes, but we're not going to actually replace any of those windows that are still original. The vinyl replacements we and the new windows, um,
we plan to use, um, Parrot windows, um, which and they intend to make them pretty much exactly like the original windows or as close as you can get with a a new window. They're very good at making extremely custom windows. they're going to be very expensive,
but um but we'll probably we'll we'll they'll make shop diagrams and we'll be able to present on that separately as to what exact window we're going to put in. But for for now, we just want to make sure we can put a window in these places so that we can frame around them and then block it off until we eventually in
the future have the actual windows to ask for permission to put in. I hope that was helpful. Ian, this photo here with the three windows is this >> this is existing. >> No, that was that was an enhanced
version of >> Okay, >> that is not so the >> That's what you want it to be. >> That's what we want it to be. The tape on the windows is because we're jacking up the back of the house. >> It's not doing anything. We're actually going to take them out then jack it up and then >> they they did that and then I was like
>> tape is not going to prevent it's best. >> That is what it is at the moment. Yes. And this is >> that is what it is currently. >> This is um on the third floor. >> That is the third floor >> where you want bigger windows. >> We wanted to add two additional windows. >> Okay.
>> So they would all be there would be four >> equivalent windows. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> We originally were thinking about putting them up higher, but then as you can see on the photo from the rear of the house, they're actually limited by the the brow or whatever. So, but it
would be nice to we want that's that room we intend to make into like an extra third floor kitchen for our children and stuff uh when they grow older. So, that um it's going to it'll give a really nice view of the Fall River waterfront
which is becoming nicer >> again. >> Yes. >> Good. >> Any other questions from the board? Are they operational windows or no? >> Uh, most of them are operational. Oh, you mean the um >> Are they open? >> The two the the large ones on the second
floor. >> Yeah, >> those were operational. >> We intend to I intend to restore their function. They're hopper windows, so they they go in. >> Uh I'd like to make them like that
again. Um, they're kind of painted shut and sealed shut. Uh, but they do have an existing chain so that you could pull them in. There's like a handles on the top. Um, and they have that nice little cute little arch on the edges. Um, but
they are not currently functional. I don't think they've been functional a long time. Actually, if we tried to open it, they'd probably fall apart. The one of the They need some significant repairs. Those are probably the worst condition windows. >> Tender loving care required here. Yes.
>> Okay. So, we have a a multi- faceted multi-art project going on here. So, today >> approval for the third window, right? >> For the third window. Yes. >> And then >> and the two additional
>> two additional on the third. >> Yeah. separate issues if if if we if I don't know if it matters. >> Okay. Well, we can take it as two separate issues if if or >> I I think we should take it as one for now and then when he comes back with
whatever windows they're going to use. >> All right. >> So, we're going to vote on the third window and the windows on the upper floor changing. Okay. So, it's it's one
package. Okay. >> I make a motion to approve the um the a total of three additional windows. One being on the balcony and then the two smaller windows on the um third floor there.
>> Okay. Do we have a second? How what is the visibility of this from the street? >> From this front of the house or from the back of the house >> from the street >> from from any street public streetway. >> I believe it's probably visible. I drove by there again this evening just
to take a check before I arrived and it is visible um from it's there's property in his backyard directly behind the home there's a barn so you you can't really see
>> from June Street >> but you can see it from June Street on the south side of the property looking down you can see this uh property. You can see the back. I think we're having the same hot burn
about this. It's um it's not that we don't like your your enthusiasm about at least me. I can speak for myself. is that it's changing it from the original um historical the original.
>> That's understandable. >> That's why I figured the um >> however you are telling us this used to be was this the covered porch? I mean was this the open porch or was the open porch underneath it? >> The second floor used to be an open
porch at some point in history. >> That little push out >> Mhm. >> Yeah. was a porch. >> Yeah. And I'm I'm looking at this photo and it I actually use your expertise here. >> Does it look like it was framed for a
third window there at one time? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Certainly looks that way from here. >> It does. And if you look at the rendition, >> it flows better than just the two. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So I I I got it. But I I can that's why
we're asking the question. Was there um on the third floor, was there a wall originally separating this into two rooms? >> Define originally. >> Good point. Um >> the ceiling. >> Yeah.
>> Originally there was not a wall separating them. You can actually see in the ceiling there was a ceiling above the ceiling, >> right? >> So the first owner did not have a wall separating them. The second owner added um a wall in there.
I don't know when that would have been added. >> I think how I think the Browns owned it for at least like 30 years or something. So probably would have been in the 20s or 30s maybe. >> What year was it built? I'm sorry. >> What year?
>> Uh 1889. >> 1889. >> That's just my inference from the material. What materials were we've kind of torn apart some walls. So originally it was built with L and plaster. >> Yeah. >> So anything where we tore apart that was made with this metal mesh material was
we assume from the second owner. I I severely doubt that the first owners built it and then immediately built a second layer over everything. So my my belief is that probably the second owners when they acquired it sometime during their ownership redid
everything with this L um this metal L and replplastered everything over substantially thicker. I think they added like a second maid's quarters basically. >> Mhm. >> Um and so that's when they added that extra wall. It actually looked like it had been through several the floors look
like they've been through multiple separate times of renovation because there's like spots where there's like a square and then there's spots where like the square was moved and covered over. Like there's different patches of what the floor was. And this back porch there looked like we we dug through like four
different layers of wood in different orientations. There's like it looked like it had bumped out and then gone back in and then they added an extra strip and then they added more strips and did something else. It was uh the floor was like this thick.
It was a lot of >> layers of floor. >> Mhm. You just kept adding on >> Yeah. to to change it. >> So, it's a nightmare. >> It's It's not bad. It's nice. >> It was interesting to see as it came apart.
Well, there's a motion that was made. >> If you want to do them separately, if that makes everybody feel better, feel free. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I think that that would be a wise idea because, you know,
it sounds reasonable to suggest that this is already altered in a significant fashion from its original um form. Now, how long it's been like this, I mean, technically, I guess this
could also be historical relevant if it was altered that long ago, right? But I would say based on the pictures of the wall and, you know, your research of this being a porch, I I could see supporting the the third
window here >> and and I I probably would be more inclined to do that than than the third floor. Okay. So, could we have a motion on the second level placing? >> I would draw my motion.
>> You do? Okay. >> So, could we have >> I would make a motion to approve the addition of a third window to the second floor that would match in kind to the other two adjacent large windows. >> Okay. >> We have a second. All right. Do we have
a roll call? >> Ashley? Yes. >> Jonathan? Yes. >> Connie. Yes. >> Joyce. Yes. >> Caroline. Yes. >> And Rick Mancini. Yes. >> Okay. Now, the second request. Is the other request still valid at this
moment or did you want to research this a little more? >> Well, I mean, it's pretty clearly it was a maid's quarters. It would definitely be appended history to a more modernized use. Um, I mean, it's definitely not a
historic use of that room. This would It looks like the some of the framing is new. Is that some of the framing new? >> The Oh, so the the the strips added >> everywhere. We've added strips everywhere because we're building it out so that we can meet 6 in insulation code.
>> I see. >> So the the studs >> those are those new studs. They're actually only it's only 2 in added over all the existing studs >> which is sort of assisted in a sense. >> Yeah. But they're only on top of where the
existing studs were. >> I see what you did. >> So you were building out actually to leave just the two windows originally. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. >> And then then my carpenter said, "Well, what if we add another window here?" And I was like, "You know what? That's not a bad idea. It does have a be he was he's
in there working all the time, so he saw absolutely beautiful view out there and said, you know, we could add another window." And I said, "I'm going to have to bring that to the historical commission. I'm not 100% on that one." Um, we like the idea because we do plan on having this be a nice, you know, kitchen with a dining table. Having a
view out of it would be beautiful. Um, but it's definitely um, you know, I like I like adding to history. This house is full of windows. If they were actually using the third floor for themselves, they probably would have added more
windows to the house. Uh, but at the historically, this was probably just servants quarters, so they just did Sure. >> They just did what they had to do or just did the minimum essentially. >> Okay. >> And you wanted to do the second floor
first anyways, right? Is that plan is >> we Well, we either way we're going to close up and insulate the third floor, but if we had to go back to that as a separate issue at a later point in time, wouldn't be the end of the worlds. It's just going to be covered in I don't know if we're going to drywall it or if we're going to custom plaster
it. I'm not sure yet. We like the idea of going back to plaster. >> How long does the letter of approval last? >> A year. >> Yeah. So, if it's not within a year, you just need to come back anyhow for the third floor.
>> Well, we would put in if we got approval, what we would do is we would put in a block window. like we would just we would frame it out, >> put in insulation in place, and then we would be able then we would put in a window once we had the window to come in for
approval. We're waiting on a lot of different things. >> Yeah, >> custom windows, they can't be designed super fast either. The the key is if we are uh prone to go in that direction
then it would be best to do it now rather than >> waiting. So what's now? Just the red seed single shingles. >> Uh yes. >> Yeah, it's in the >> just the red seed shingles. But there's a lot more uh construction
and work to be done if you go back at a later date. So we have to make make a decision at this point. >> Now as a I guess a point of order one anything else this is just approval to
do the project. This is not solit solicitation of a letter of support for any kind of funding. >> No, no funding. >> No funding on this property. >> Okay. >> No, I don't think uh the what we're doing to this property I don't think would qualify for National Park Services
>> because a lot owner occupied is not subject to tax credits. Yeah. >> Unfortunately. >> I didn't think so. Yeah. Even if we were to try to reframe it as a commercial use, I don't think I don't think ultimately our application would be
supported by National Park Services. >> Not with you residing there. No. >> Okay. So, what is the uh choice of the board? Do we have a motion to support >> the four windows? You mean like adding
two windows on the third floor, right? >> We I'm going to be honest. We may not even put those two windows even if you approve it. >> All right. Well, then we do we have a motion if we have no motion to support. Do we have a motion to deny the request for the four windows at this time with
the option of coming back at a future date? >> It also bothers me a great deal to deny like someone like you who's enthusiastic, who's saving this amazing building. Um, so that hurts too.
So hence our like >> if it makes you feel any better house and it's a great project and and I love the fact that someone like you is coming in and breathing life into this house that a family will grow up in this house that it's it's really a tremendous
effort. The question is uh do basically do you bend the rules because the rules state that if it's visible from the street it should maintain the original character and do you bend the rules because you feel really good about a story. >> That's that's what it comes down to for
me. >> I'm I'm leaning towards just approval because it's the rear of the house and not seen from the main street. So it's seen from June Street. Um, our sunsets are amazing.
>> Okay. >> Yeah, >> that is true. >> Um, and I'm sure that was made quarters. >> Yeah, >> sure. >> Yeah, we wouldn't be heartbroken if it wasn't approved. My wife actually wants to put a fireplace there. We've been
kind of back and forth, but I figured we were already coming for the second floor window. We'd talk about this at the same time. So if it gets denied, we just we just don't have to spend an extra $7,000 on >> window in that case, right?
>> We don't know her, but you know, we like her. >> Okay. I guess I'm leaning towards making a motion to approve um based on that. It's the rear of the home.
That's where I'm going. >> So, I'll make a motion to approve the two extra windows on the third floor. >> Do we have a second on that motion? >> I'll second that motion. >> All right. Do we have a roll call? >> Ashley, yes.
>> Jonathan, yes. >> Connie, yes. >> Joyce, yes. >> Caroline, yes. >> And Rick, yes. And I will say now once we've taken the vote, it's been approved that there there are some trees in
there. So that this in the winter you can see through, but it's very difficult to see. This is this is very clear when you're on the south side of that huge custom home that's behind you. But you cannot see the back of the house with
probably 2/3 or 3/4 of the property from June Street. it's only that one one spot. So unlike yourself, you you're trying to do a remarkable job. You're putting a lot of money and a lot of effort into this. Uh your thought
process is really good for retaining historic uh structures. So u you know >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Okay. So you're all set. >> Within a week or so, Ian, you should get these letters of approval. Okay. >> And support.
>> Excellent. Thank you, Richard. >> You're welcome. Thank you, board >> commission. >> Okay. Wow. All right. Let's move along. >> Um All right. So, we're under new business here. Uh let's see.
>> Just looking significant. Going to have to wait just a few moments. Ladies and gentlemen, uh I just want to bring up on new business. Uh as you know, under the last meeting, we had supplied some
letters for the cultural water dis uh the waterfront cultural district and for the Bank Street Armory looking for funding to do uh evaluations of the property. Well, both of those were uh tentatively approved for further review
which started on the 13th of this month. to review that. But Paul Holtz who's involved with the his mass historical commission uh gave us gave the commission a call and asked that we put
in an application to what's called an R an MRF application and uh and then informed us that we should add $10,000 to our request
which is a good sign. So, uh, thank you to the preservation society, Alex Silver, who happens to be an English major and does a great job of writing. He did all of the writing and and uh got that all set for us.
We took care of the rest and and the mayor signed it and uh we got it sent in. We had to have it in by the 13th and we had a week and a half to get it done and in. It was a lot of work. So, that was submitted. Um, so that's a good
thing. So, we're hopefully going to get those two requests. Uh, the building department, this is just this is under any questions on that at all? Okay. Uh, item number three is new business and that was the building
department requested that the historical commission review some property at 183 Belmont Street. Uh that property is listed on the significant structures. It's also listed on the Mass and the National Historic Register. However, uh
the work that's being done on this particular piece of property is uh unfortunately a couple of windows might get changed, but it's a lot of interior work at this point. So, uh we have no jurisdiction over that. So the building
permit was issued or going to be issued. That particular property was red flagged because they proceeded with no building permit. So it was uh shut down. Um number four, uh let's see.
uh previously and and this has been sort of longstanding and I just thought I'd bring it up as a as an item uh because it's been cropping up more and more lately and I've got a couple of meetings particularly with the CPC
uh where the board has to speak as the historical commission. So, we're at a CPC meeting and it's okay because I represent the C the historical commission. It's can you give us a
comment? What is the historical commission's opinion on this? So, well, historically the historical commission always or or the chair has always been allowed to do this. Uh, and I believe we took a vote on this many many years ago
to allow that to transpire. And all I want to do is because we have so many new members here, uh I just thought it would be wise to just take a new vote and see if it's still applicable. Uh and there are a couple of meetings coming
up. There's actually one tomorrow with the water department uh regarding some an area where I'm going to have to speak as historical commission. Uh, and we've got another one coming up with the
city councilors. And so it it happens on a very frequent basis. Uh, I get a lot of calls during the during the course of a month from the building department where the historical commission has to make a decision on properties. Um, as as
long as it's not involving a decision that requires a vote. If it's a decision that requires a vote, I'm not going to make a comment on that. But, uh, so I'm just looking now for a vote,
uh, in favor of allowing the chair to continue what's been historically, uh, the process. Did I make sense with that? >> Yes. >> Any questions? >> Could we have a vote? Could we have a
motion made and then a vote? I'll make a motion. Trying to think of how to word this. You know, a motion to allow the chair of the historical commission to speak in an unofficial capacity representing the historical
commission at other meetings aside from the historical commission meetings. >> Non like when it's and to give approval of non >> Yeah. letters
>> give approvals for non-applicability letters when not a direct historical commission mandate. >> All right. >> You know, like a garage. >> Yeah. >> Things that don't require us to vote. >> Correct.
>> I'd be comfortable you represent. >> Can you repeat it? >> Thank you. >> Can I get that paper solution? >> Yeah, I will second that motion. >> Okay. Roll call. >> Ashley, yes. Jonathan, yes. >> Connie, yes. >> Joyce, yes.
>> Caroline, yes. >> And as a voting member, yes. All right. Thank you so much for the confidence. Um uh let's go back here to item number five. Uh accompany Ryan Field. Uh they're it's called group leader and
they're actually looking to restore or rehab to an extent 141 North Main Street. That was the old 5-cent uh bank. I guess the red bank had it for a while there. Uh and they're looking at redoing the roof. Uh and uh actually was talking
about replacing the wood gutters because they're not large enough to accommodate the water, the amount of water. And they're actually he was actually talking of going back with copper gutters. Uh so they're going to keep us in the loop
once they get their design. uh completed. They'll be down here for uhformational purposes. At this point, it's in the uh it's in that uh what they call a mono district. I mean, Main
Street, North Main Street. Uh and uh it's in that district, but there's no real bearing on the building out where we are locked in to make making major decisions. But this individual and
his company is very historically minded and they want to maintain the the uh historic value of the building. So >> that's uh any questions on that? I was very impressed by the way with this gentleman. He was very knowledgeable and
and forthcoming with what they want to do with the building. So, okay, we've had no other correspondence. We do now have significant structures list. We have three items here. Uh, I
guess Caroline, could you just give us an update on the 233 235 South Main Street? >> Um, I'm still in the process of doing some further research on it. Um, and unfortunately parts of the city were not previously
researched on in in um several decades ago when a lot of the historic structures were done. Um, and so finding out architectural information or historic information on South Main Street is is a little more difficult. >> Okay.
>> So I'm still kind of trying to get through that. >> Great. Thank you. And Reverend, you want to present? You are here to You've been patiently awaiting. This is uh 146 Handover Street. It's the
Bethl AM Church. Good evening. Um thank you for the opportunity to uh present. My name is uh Reverend Adoranc. Lipid. I am the pastor of Bethl AM Church and um we're here to
request permission to be put on the historical structures list uh with the city of Fall River. Uh by way of background, the church was started in 1881 on Maple Street.
Um, it then changed its name to the current name Bethl AM Church of Fall River and moved to 146 Hanover Street. And the building was built in 1917. Um, it's still etched on the cornerstone
of the church. And so in terms of the historical significance of the church, um it is the oldest black church in the city of Fall River and numerous generations have got passed through the
church. I have only been the pastor for a little over two years at the current structure, but um we believe that given its age um given that it it's part of a
church whose mission is not just church but social justice. And so part of that storied history that takes place in that building um we would request to be uh put on that structured
the historical structured list. And with me is uh Santita Castellano who will just give a little bit more detail um about the church. >> Well, good evening everybody. My name is
Santita Castellano. Um I am one a member of the Bethl AM church here in Fall River. My family is from a generations of um AM membership with this with the AM church but recently with this church
within the past I want to say 10 years we've been here in Fall River. Um we're I am also the director of Bristol Black Collective. So, I come to you as a member of the church, but also someone who's looking to preserve the black history in Fall River. Um, and we have
several of our members here who are very much connected to the church, >> trustees, >> trustees as well as we have um >> the stewards in the church here uh in the in the audience here. We have long-standing memberships whose family
has been long dedicated to this church. Um, and we again seeking your approval because it has been a significant pillar of the community. Um, uh, Robert Adams had supported the church um and made
sure that the church was funded here in the city. So we want to make sure that we continue to support this particular community so that this church can support the community. >> I love this request. >> This should have been done years ago.
>> Amen to that. >> That's wonderful. Okay. >> Well, I definitely make a motion to um approve um to be part of the significant structures list.
>> I second the motion. >> Okay, we have a first and a second. Let's have a roll call. >> Ashley, yes. >> Jonathan, yes. >> Connie, yes. >> Joyce, yes. >> Caroline, yes. >> And Rick Mancini, yes. What has just happened is that you've been put on the
significant structures list. It's a matter now of just filling it out because the historical commission has the authority. >> But it looks like >> the historical commission is able to put >> That's That's where you're going. Right here.
>> Right there. Okay. So, you have been officially put on the historical significant list. It's going to take a little bit of time now to fill out the paperwork, >> but we just voted it in. >> This is uh historically uh
significant for us. >> Thank you. Um, if I may be so bold as to what's the time frame with the paperwork that we're looking at? Uh well, we're going to uh I'm going to ask Felicia to
work with Caroline. Caroline spearheads our significant structures list and she's in the process now of actually doing some updating. Felicia is new on board. She's a Spitfire, I might say. Uh
and she's going to assist Caroline. I I I want to say we'll try and get it done within the next two months officially. >> Okay. >> If that's appropriate and you'll definitely uh get a copy when it's all
completed and we'll I'll give you a personal phone call. >> Okay. All right. Well, if something is going on, if there's an observance that you're planning, let us know so we can work together to make
that a celebratory event. >> Okay. Yes, that we appreciate that. >> Yes, absolutely. Thank you. >> Yes, >> we really appreciate it. >> Good. Well, thank you so much for for coming here and presenting. >> Really nice. >> Thank you.
Okay, >> I'm just going to give her my card. >> Okay, >> thank you. >> You're entirely welcome. Good luck. >> Have a good night. >> Okay. Item uh Pleasant Street 1680. it's that have had a request to put that
on the significant structures list. Uh, ironically enough, that's diner has been there forever. Uh, and it's never been placed on the significant structures list. It's on our list. Looks like in 94
it was added on as being capable of being put on but it has never gone on the significant structures list. U it's got a lot of history and it is a you know both the both the individuals
who constructed that initially and again the placement there a lot of history with that particular building. I think it was we attempted to do this and I think the previous owner was not interested and I think the current owner was planning on restoring it. Right.
>> I think he has a lot of interest over the last few years that he that he's owned. >> It was a formal was an email sent >> to me uh >> asking to get this put on the property
>> uh from their representative. Yeah. >> Okay. >> You remember the email? I think I sent it out to >> You remember? Yeah. So, the person restoring it is not the owner. >> No, it's Tony Dus who made the requests. >> Okay. >> But he's working with >> with the individual or the owner,
present owner. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you are reading the emails. Good. >> Okay. Let's get right through this. A couple of quick mo quick items. are the public archaeology laboratories.
Um they're currently working still on on enhancing this. It looks like we're still on schedule. Nothing new. Sometime in April, they're they're going to be getting together. Uh and that'll be uh fine. Uh Anowan Fire Station number six
on on the old business. Uh it says here waiting on certification that the window requirements meet the secretary of interior standards. I did get on Friday uh with Felicia's uh got actually got
the email from the window company certifying that they are and they do meet uh this the standards. >> So uh Felicia has emailed that out to uh all of the interesting parties including the building department. So on Friday
they were uh going to or ready to issue the building permit. So those windows will be starting shortly. Uh and uh actually the Aderondac farms um we tomorrow I'm meeting with the water
department and the CPC is meeting John Brandt and and uh I'm invited uh as a historic uh commissioner again to represent as as I stated earlier uh there's just a little bit of little
concern with the aderondac moms in that that CPC funding and now there's question as to whether the CPC funding relates to that particular portion the farm and the bond. >> Okay. So, uh we're going to try and work
that out and uh it'll it'll work itself out tomorrow. Okay. So with that, I will say that the next meeting is April the 21st and it's 7:03. Do I have any questions
from anyone? No one. No new business. Nothing we want to discuss. Do I have a motion to adjourn? >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. All in favor? Roll call.
>> No. >> Ashley. Yes. Johnson. Yes. >> Connor, yes. >> Joyce, yes. >> Caroline, yes. >> And Rick Mancini, yes. It is now 7:03 and 7:04 and the meeting is adjourned.