to the July 29th, 2026 meeting of the Fall River Redevelopment Authority. Pursuant to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium. Attendees are therefore advised that such recording or transmission are being
made, whether perceived or unpersceived by those present or are deemed acknowledged and permissible. [clears throat] And we'll start out with a roll call. Johnny Ericson, >> Ben Fidleberg, >> Joan Maderas. >> That's it, I guess. >> [laughter] >> I'm used to looking here and here.
>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Also attending uh Sarah Paige, executive director, John Coffman, legal counsel. Kane Fol, administrative consultant. Karen Martin, project manager. Uh first item, uh if there's not any I don't have my second man. >> Oh. Oh, Ben's got it.
>> Ben's got it. Okay. So in [laughter] >> uh if there's not any comments, I'll um entertain a motion to approve the open session minutes from July June 24th, sorry, 2026. >> A motion to approve the June 24th, 2026 open session minutes. >> Second. >> Second. >> John Ericen. Yes.
>> Ben Fidleberg. Yes. >> Joan Maderas. Yes. >> Thank you. Um okay. >> July Warren. >> July Warren. Joan has gone through the July warrants.
Uh, and that totals 689,000. I'm sorry. [laughter] Because the wrong line I was going to say, wow, that's a lot. Wasn't didn't add up. >> It's on the agenda. >> Yeah. $125,22910. If everybody's good with that, I'll
entertain a motion to approve that warrant. A motion to approve the July warrant in the amount of $125,22910. >> Second. >> Second. >> John Ericen. Yes. >> Ben Fidleberg. Yes. >> Join Maderos. Yes. >> Thank you. Um let's see. Karen is going
to talk about Northfield Point status. >> Yes. Northfield Point. Well, first I want to thank everybody for coming out to the groundbreaking. I thought it was even though it was a hot day, it was a good day. Um, and I thought it was pretty well attended considering. So, um, I want to thank everyone for coming
and um, so work has started. Um, we have the water line is in all the way onto the, um, property um, all pretty much all the way up to where the yard hydrants would get installed. The yard hydrants are not installed. Jenny's waiting to get those in. And all the
granite um, seating and, you know, blocks that are to be placed, those have been placed. And um now there were just some grading discrepancies that came up um as part of placing the granite. So they did a re-review of everything and
then new grades came out um today actually. So Tim will be back on site if not Friday, Monday and then he'll be able to just um stay stay with it till um till it's completed. Um and so the
um the only other thing that I I have a proposal for that I want to talk about is I passed out to everybody an estimate from Dilva. Um basically what it does is it shows on the proposal
the addition of irrigation and sod in what we were kind of calling the outdoor classroom area. So, the extent of it is is in all the areas in green on the attached map. And um
the reason I'm I I put together had Tim put this together for us is because if we were to seed and and try to procure getting a a lawn there, it's going to take up to six weeks. So, that's going to mean that people can't walk on that
or get in that area. Whereas if we bring the irrigation and put the sod down, they can be on it in 48 hours. So I think it's just going to be a much better option for us to be able to maintain the property and to
also um be able to open it to the public at least for some time during the fall season. And all of this um given the way that the bids came in, there is money in the grant to allow us to do this. So, um I talked to the engineers about this, um
uh proposal and everything seems to kind of fall in line with everything. The sod price is a little bit more than you would, well, I shouldn't say it's a little bit more. It's just that there's more waste involved because of the contours of that outdoor classroom. You're not putting in like straight runs
of sod. You got to do a lot of cuts and there's some waste. whatever waste he has, he's going to try to lose on the site in some of the areas that butt up against the existing boardwalk. So, um but um other than that, it's um a
reasonable proposal. It's the Hydrawise controller that he's going to put in from Hunter, which is the same controller that we have over at City Pier. So, I know how to operate it. It's um it should go it goes fairly smoothly. I do it all on
my phone. It's quite nice. Um and uh and the only price that's not on here is um the electrical price and I'm working with the city and an electrician to get um a final proposal for that because the city's um bringing down some power down the boardwalk for us. So, we just got to
coordinate that and then I'll um I'll probably have that price at the next meeting. >> Karen, is that your writing or Tim? Is it right? >> Oh, that's mine. >> Does that say black beauty? >> Yeah. So, so the sod that he had proposed is tall fescue and I talked to him about it. The black beauty which is
the high end of sod um align better with the mix that was in the specifications. It's got it includes the tall fescue and includes some uh perennial ry grass and some blue grass whereas the tall fescue is all fescue but he could he would put in the black beauty if um Eric decided
he wanted it. So it's a it's an equivalent. >> What's your other like hieroglyphics after that? Oh, that was just me talk figuring out the price. Sorry, [cough] me running. It's the square footage plus the the price per square foot. I was just my little hieroglyphic. Sorry,
>> Karen. Just out of curiosity, when the invitation to bid went out for this specific project. >> Did any of the other contractors build in um this change order into their >> No, they would have bid just plans and specs. >> We're still within the um the numbers
though, aren't we? Even with adding the 43, >> what numbers you talking about? Yeah. >> So, we would be So, there's enough money in the grant to cover this cost >> and it's still within but we put the estimate out at 750,000
>> and Tim's bid was 467. So, >> so I would just need to >> and it's not more than 20% of the change order. No, there's still about 45 46 more,000 if we ever needed it. So, um, so I need you to approve this and we
need to approve change order number one to to Dilva and authoriz the chair, the executive director. >> So, quick question to the left of the green >> is what's that there? So, I see the trees. >> Where are you >> over here? What's this all the stuff
here? The white area. >> Oh, that's all the native grass. >> That's the They're going to grow taller. >> Okay. So that's already there. >> That's not already there. They're going to be planted. Okay. So that's >> they're going to be established by He'll be um watering that. They're they're going to be
>> they're going to be the taller native grasses. >> So that doesn't need irrigation. >> No. Okay. >> No. >> You didn't think it was going to be to irrigate the whole site was going to be closer to like Yeah. >> double the price and it didn't seem >> This will be irrigated. >> Yes, that will be irrigated. And then
and then that's the saw area and it'll it'll be depending on how much use it gets it'll be easier to maintain it with the irrigation as opposed to if we just had grass it would end up potentially never really looking great. [snorts]
>> So it speeds up the time we can use it. [clears throat] >> Yes. >> Saw grows in pretty nicely too. >> Yeah. And you can with the irrigation and once the once the project you can get we'll be able to get on it probably as soon as the project's really done. Otherwise it probably takes it's it
takes like six weeks for lawn to really establish before you can really walk on it and do anything. And John Q public will probably do their best to try to get on it as soon as possible. So I'm just trying to prevent any um bad wear and tear on the property.
>> It makes sense to me. What do you guys think? I'm trying to >> Yeah, I would agree. >> Thank you. >> So, um then I'll entertain a motion to uh >> approve this. Um it's actually a change order. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah.
>> Uh for the 43,650 to uh change to sod. >> A motion to approve the change order to remove seed from lawn area and add irrigation and sod in accordance with the silver's estimate number 689 dated July 27th, 2026. in the amount of
$43,650 and to authorize the chair or executive director to sign change order number one to Dilva's contract for this work. >> Second. >> Second. >> John Erikson. Yes. >> Ben Fuddleberg. Yes. >> John Maderas. Yes.
>> Thank you. Um Moring Fields Karen. So, we had the bid opening for um the um the the dinghy dock in the mooring fields at City Pier on July 16th. We had two
biders. Uh Atlantic Coast Tiger Marine was low at 218 and Cabana Marine came in second at 229. Based on review of all the bid documents, it was discovered that Atlantic Coast didn't submit a good
portion of the required um documents that needed to be submitted with the bid and uh Kavanaaugh did submit um a complete bid package. So we um considered Atlantic Coast and TUG to be
um a uh non-conforming bid response. So, we sent them a letter and have not heard back from them, but um but we would like to proceed with Kavanaaugh. Um Beta did do a little bit of due dil diligence in
um calling Kavanaaugh and um also we know Kavanaaugh because they're the contractor that did the cathotic protection work and um they and just so you know to Kavanaaugh is going to be using Reagan Marine to install the timbers and they're the ones who
installed all the timbers along the dock that we currently have. So >> that all went well. >> What was that? that all went well with every county. >> So, I think it's um I think ultimately we're going to have a good team out there. So, um and this all came within the proposed budget and we had a
proposed budget of 250,000. So, this is all within the budget. >> Okay. >> So, I would just want to get um the board's approval to proceed with awarding the contract to Kevin Marie. >> So, I'll entertain a motion under this agenda item. A motion to approve awarding the
contract in the amount of $229,000 to Cavanaaugh Marine Incorporated for the work associated with IFB number 2704 for the new dinghy dock at Norton City Pier and three mooring fields and to approve the chair or executive director to sign the agreement.
>> Second >> second >> John [clears throat] Ericson. Yes. >> Ben Feelberg. Yes. >> John Madurus. Yes. >> Thank you. Um any event updates? Karen >> Ron's 10 minutes out just so you know. Um >> yeah, the only thing I wanted Ron's 10 minutes out. He should be here in a
minute. Um so on event updates, I just wanted to let you all know we did have the debrief meeting with um South Coast Health's event coordinators um about their event. They um told us that they thought the event space is a great
space. There he is. um is a great space and um their biggest um concern or um which could or recommended could go smoother would be all the different
licensing and permit requires requirements that the city has and I think some of that got lost in the shuffle between the transition between Sam and and Sarah the new event city events coordinator. So hopefully moving forward, especially for next year, um
you know, hopefully that will get um a little bit, you know, more smoothed out and I'm going to I'm going to make some edits probably to the um application also. So um but they were very happy with the event and how it turned out and all of that. So that was great. And then
our only we have two event two big events left. On um August 8th, the Bayost Bank is having their um their anniversary celebration out there. And then on August 22nd, the Narrows Take Me to the River concert. And we have um the
Females in Action is doing exercise classes on Wednesday nights and Saturday mornings. So um that seems to be it for the event season. So, >> is that yoga or >> It's They actually do some um
like exercise stuff like I think they have some weights and stuff they all bring or something. >> It's It's a little bit more than yoga. It's more like >> hit type stuff. >> How many events were hosted down there throughout the summer in total?
>> In total, we had um the we had the three big events which have been South Coast Health. Well, Fourth of July would be considered a big event, too. So the city had Fourth of July kite night and that's really all the city had down there. And then we had South Coast Health, Bay Coast Bank, and then the Narrows Take Me
to the River. So that's five big events. And then um the FIFA groups got August July and August for exercise classes. So >> okay. Um also joining [clears throat] us is Ron Rousen. Um so uh let's see what's
next. 40 45 anawatt >> cathotic protection. >> Oh, cathotic protection. >> Oh, cathotic protection. >> Um, so cathotic protection. I just wanted to say that we did the one-year warranty inspection is complete. I'm just waiting for the final sign off from the engineers, but I was there the day of the dive and all anodess are still in
place and secured. And the cathotic engineer went out there and he said that it's and he checked all throughout the whole site and everything exceeded the minimum requirements for cathotic protection. The system is operating
properly. So we're in great shape with that system. So that's all um that is a wrap on that. >> Are you going to be testing every five years from now? We you're so you so every 5 years you're supposed to to do
um a dive inspection of your bulkhead. >> Okay. >> So in doing that the question is do you want to do a cathotic inspection? I mean ultimately those anodess are going to wear away. They have a 20-year warranty on them. So as long as I don't know if
you need to do that every five years. You could do it like that. Maybe every on your 10th year you could do that just to make sure you've got continuity with the welds is what makes that whole thing work. The continuity of the welds. So um I we can talk about it as to whether we
want to do the dive inspection and cathotic inspection every 5 years or not. But you're supposed with the bulkhead um do it every five. So you'd probably be due with that. And if that went in in 2020,
we just did an inspection in theory. >> So be five more years from now. >> Oh, it's 5 years from now. >> Yeah. Cuz he they inspected the um the bulkhead kit before they put the anods on. So >> um so five years from last year, so it
would be like 2030. >> Okay. >> That's a rank. [clears throat] So Karen >> Annawan Street Karen got the keys. >> I know. >> Karen got the keys. Karen. [laughter] >> I can't say I was smiling when I got the
keys. When I got the keys. [laughter] >> Congratulations. >> Yeah. Congratulations. Carefully wishful. >> You should have champagne for that. [laughter] >> So years. On July 17th, we became the proud owners of 45 Anowan Street. Woohoo. And um all so I had MD log meet
meet us there and we worked with the um the Liberty Utilities um maintenance guy and we changed out all the cores on um all the gates and um all the bu buildings. I have a keying system cuz we don't know what we're doing with the building. So each building's keyed differently. It's a little more
complicated than I envisioned in my head, but I have it all straightened out and written down. Um, and so since um getting it keyed, we've been able to have I'm waiting for the fence guy to come over. There's I don't know what to say as a public, but there's a big gap in the fence between the Marine Museum
and um the fence on the property. He's going to fix that. And then there's a frozen gate that he's going to um unfreeze and make sure that we can um get in and out of it if we have to. And we the cameras are now all installed and
we have full camera camera surveillance of the property. And um I have had Dilva over there. They've been um cleaning up all the scrub stuff that's um in all the corners. He's got along the fence line
of the gates and the back corner by building four still to clean out. Um and he's also weed whacked all the um high brush that's growing. Um he's been um getting that and once he's got his stuff all cleaned out um I've talked to DCM
and we're going to have the street sweeper go through and clean the lot. Um and I've also got an electrician going out there to check um there was a charging station that ran just outside
of building 4 along the line where the gate where the gates are and there's a bunch of um receptacles that come up. So, he's going to kill those and cut those. And um building six, which we're proposing to put to keep and put our um
like Wi-Fi and parking lot stuff and everything in. He's going to put some strip lights in. Right now, it's an explosion proof switch that's in there. And it's very interesting to try to turn a light on. And there's only these little dull lights. So, he's going to put LED strips and a normal switch on.
So, um so he's going to hopefully get to that next week. Um, so there's a couple things. I passed out a where did it go? I got too much stuff here. Ah, so I passed out a kind of a
Gant chart of what we want to do on this property. A couple of things we should think about doing right away. So since our intent is to do demolition of buildings on this site, all these buildings as I mentioned before are listed in the um significant structures
for the city of Fall River, which means that they have perview um by the historical commission. So what we I think we would we should do is to immediately put the historical commission on notice that our intent is to demo the buildings on this property.
We should hopefully be able to get a six-month moratorum where we can't do any demo for six months. Um they could push it to a year. We'll have to see. Um the other thing that we can do concurrently um depending on if you want
or not is you can write to the you can appeal to the city council for an exemption. it is supposed to be a hardship exemption and we could discuss that you know delaying doing this work is just going to continually increase
the cost of the project to us. So um we could do those kind of concurrently and if we get the exemption then we could you have five years to do whatever you want based on that exemption. If you don't do anything in those five years then you have to either reapply or go
back to the historic commission. So I'm I'm kind of unsure. I think we need to put the historical commission on notice for sure. I think that we should think about whether we want to go for the exemption or not with city council. >> Any thoughts?
>> Can they take it of a meeting right away and say we don't need the six months. We're all set with it. >> That's what city council would do is they would give >> No. Can you can the historic commission say that we have to give them six months? Can they come back in one meeting and say, "Okay, we've talked about it. It's okay if you want to demo the building." >> They could. They historically have not.
>> Okay. They they want to have a use for that. I can see if they had a use for it or if there was something historical there that happened. There's a reason why we're not taking it. But if there's no reason, why do we have to wait 6 months? I'm just if we go to a meeting that they're having and we say this is the
reason why we need it now, you think they would do it instead of going through the city council? >> Well, I think I in the letter that I think uh we we would want to craft. So, we would say that, you know, we would be more than willing to attend the meeting to discuss it. >> Okay. So it's not it's not just the one on Water Street that's historic. The
other two >> all five of all all five of the remaining buildings >> the local historic register. >> Yeah. >> They're not the national. >> They're not the national. There's local. >> But the city >> even five that's like a garage, isn't it? >> Yep. >> They put all the bills to put all the
>> Even the little shed is on there. [laughter] >> Is it because it's over 100 years old? >> No. >> No. put them on there cuz they feel like putting them >> and if the property owner didn't object then they're they're on there. So, >> right. >> And they're buildings of significance.
They're not saying that they're really historically significant, but it gives a historical mission constructed probably in the 50s. Is that right? 60s. >> I'm not sure. I think building four and building one have been around a long time. >> I'm saying the balance of them. >> Yeah.
>> I think those are just looking at the construction. >> Yeah. No, >> there's no criteria that you have to follow in order to be listed on the local historical commission. >> So, and I may be wrong, but I think what happens is >> they determine that they may be historically significant,
>> then they notify the property owner >> and then unless there's an objection by the property owner that not having an objection, they they're putting on the list. >> As the new property owners, could we now have an objection to that? >> No, I don't think so.
You buy it with that lovely stipulation. >> You wonder why Liberty didn't object, but >> yeah, they probably never thought they were going to sell it, so didn't really matter, [laughter] >> right? >> They probably never read the letter. >> Depends on who got it. >> The building that I think everyone
agrees has some historic significance is the one on Water Street where the inside is very interesting. >> Yeah. Number one with all the rock. Um, and that's the one that there is some
interest in and um, we may not want to demolish that one, but we want to put people on notice that we may want to demolish it. >> Is that something that we could work into the proposal with the historical commission saying that building one is
something that we're looking to facilitate some kind of interest in, but our plans for the other buildings? I think the best way to approach it is say we want to take them all down and then depending on how things shake out as we talk to people, develop a scope of work
for the for the property, then we can determine what's going to stay or go. >> It's just a notice that starts. You don't have to tear them down. >> Yeah, it starts. >> And at the end of the day, once you go through your statutory waiting period, you can do what you want with them. So,
you can keep them or you can knock them down, right? if there's interest in the buildings. >> So the other concern, so >> this was a question on building four. >> Yep. >> Is that Are those solar panels working or they just >> So I have the contact for the solar
company and I'm having difficulty. Um I emailed him and said, you know, you know, let me know when you might be available to talk. And the solar company I think they're working with now is like a not the original one, but another one
who bought them. So, one is definitely working. When you look at that meter, it's definitely churning. This one, one day I go there and there's nothing going on. One day I go there and you see it blinking a little bit. So, I don't really know. So, [laughter] >> because that may that may also impact if
there's contracts with these solar companies. Well, that's what I'm trying to >> That may impact our ability to >> supposedly they don't. They They're end of life. >> I don't know how long they've been on there. So, >> supposedly they are. >> 20 years. >> Yeah. And I think cuz there was that
appraisal that was done and they were pretty much near end of life. >> Um but they are still >> supposedly generating some credits. Okay. >> And I don't know if one more than four. I don't know. >> And who's who's getting the credits? >> Liberty right now. I can't even get
national to get >> about the purchase and sale. >> Well, until we change the meters over. >> Change the meter over. >> And I am on my fifth attempt with National Grid to get the meters changed. So, I now have someone I'm going to have Jay I'm going to have my buddy reach out
for me. Um, >> also you better find out if get a copy of the agreement, find out whose cost it is to dispose them. It's very expensive to get rid of soul panels. >> Well, so I Yeah, I have a whole conversation I want to have with this company. So, um, uh, cuz that's I'm
going to tell them that that's ultimately what we may end up doing. So, what do we, you know, I want the copy of the agreement because I'm assuming they're going to have to sign a new agreement with us if we want to use them cuz the old agreement with Liberty would be void. >> Unless the 20-year agreement says if you
don't stop it, then it extends automatically, which most most of them do do that. >> Yeah. So, I So, >> I don't know. >> Yeah. So, still uh still more information to come on that. Like I say, I think the one on building one is is still like cranking off some stuff.
>> I So, where's building two? I was trying >> building two is demolished. So, it's not on yet. >> Yeah. And the only reason I kept building I didn't see the building. >> So, I keep these same numbers because these are numbers that are on the buildings when you go to the property. I don't think we need to reinvent that wheel. So, um and so that's how I've
left that's why I've left them like that. >> I wasn't missing something. No, you are not. Um, so and it so next steps would be so I'm in the process now of what you consider securing and cleaning up the site. So that should pretty much be done
hopefully by the end of next week. Um the and then I'm going to sweep the lot and then next week we have Beta coming out and they're going to do that hazardous materials inspection of each building and that's going to take them two days on site maybe a third depending if they if they think that there's you
know if it's taken them longer than what they thought and then hopefully they're going to send some stuff out for testing and they'll get a report to us that'll roughly take 3 weeks um to turn around. Then we got to figure out, do we want to open this lot for free parking or not?
>> Temporarily. >> Temporarily. [laughter] >> Did you do didn't did you do some leg work on the um gate? >> Yeah. So there is So the automatic gates do not currently work. What the one that's on uh WL Anowan Street when the people did the remediation, they ripped
up the power. So there's no power to that at all. The one that is on Water Street, there is 220 coming out of the building that we could use to reven that gate. So I trying to get a hold of um uh
Richie over at Highland Fence because he actually did that gate for Liberty. So, um, I want to talk to him about what it would take to liven that gate up again because if we want to do temporary parking, the question is, do we want overnight parking there or not? My
thought would be if we're going to do temporary parking, just open the gate on uh, Water Street and let um, people park and we'll just have that gate be open all the time. And if we don't want overnight parking, then I would need
signage to say that and we would need an automatic gate that would open and close on time. So, um I don't know what everyone's thoughts are about that. >> Well, it's going to be tough to give for free and then charge later. >> So, that's so that's
>> so let's go to this Gant chart here. So, is there any reason why we can't accelerate the bid package to August as opposed to middle of September? >> Well, part so part of I don't I need an engineer to
give me a proposal to work on this. We don't have that right now. And that's what I'm I can I can jump right on, but I'm trying to figure out what we're doing and the timing of it because we can't demo. So, the problem is is that I can get the charger. you can to get the
charging system, the the parking system is going to take at least a month once you get approvals and know everything you're going to do. That's just to get the system, but there's more scope that goes with it. Are we going to temporarily stripe and charge and then close it and then demo buildings,
restripe? because at that point I'm probably going to have to take parking equipment off and put back on because we'll need access to um for bigger pieces of equipment to get on site. They may not be clear. >> Well, once you lift that gate, you
should be able to get in and out though. >> Depends on the width of what they want. Like I'm I have a walk through. >> Would you could also bring them in through water anan street. >> Anowan street's a smaller opening than water street. >> I Yeah, I think that's pretty. They were bringing big trucks in and out of there.
Yeah. No, I mean you could you >> So I don't think it would damage the gate if that's the question. >> Not the gate, the equipment itself. That's what I would be. >> Yeah, I doubt it, but something to look at. I just think that two things. I think if we can accelerate the bid package, that may get us to a point
where we could actually charge a nominal fee or whatever you're going to charge. And then secondly, from free parking, I don't know what that does from an insurance standpoint. >> Insurance doesn't care. They think it's a parking lot right now. I'd be surprised about that. >> No, they think it's a parking lot right
now. >> So, you're not going to have any additional liability once you allow the public to park in it. >> Well, it's already insured. >> It's already insured. >> Overnight parking might change things. >> Nope. She said it did not matter. >> No. >> Okay. >> I think you want to get that in writing.
>> I think I have it in writing in an email. >> Yeah. Just to be on the safe side. >> Have any conversations been held with the neighboring businesses? Could could you potentially lease that property for the time being until construction begins? So if you talk with the Narrows
and Troy City and Primos, if they're looking for parking effectively now, there might be some leverage there in that conversation to say we can open this space up. >> Well, they have free parking in that lot. That's right next to the building right now. I mean, we could ask, but we
would still need to figure out about the overnight parking and whether we want to allow overnight parking and whether >> Can we back up a second? Why do we even want to entertain overnight parking? >> It's just I I agree with you. >> Can't you just we just have the gate
shut at whatever time or >> you know, >> we would need to put the automatic gate because guess what? I'm not going out every night and closing the gate. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. When we got an automatic gate, we could. >> Yeah. But I don't I I think entertaining overnight parking is got trouble
attached to it. >> Yeah. Because you could end up with abandoned vehicles. You could end up with You know what I mean? It could be Yeah. I mean I agree. I don't think overnight parking is a good idea. >> But that's me and you're the board. So I'll do whatever you guys want me to do. >> The only thing I'm thinking out loud,
but I don't know what time you would pick, but I think Primos on certain nights is open really late. >> They're open till 1 on Saturday. >> Saturday. Friday and Saturday. Yeah. >> So, that's kind of where this whole question about overnight parking came from, right? Is because you've got to
have gates that are adjusting to close at different times. And um there was a question whether we'd even have those gates in initially. >> So, there's two different. So, once you get
the parking system in place, that manual gate's gone, right? You know what I mean? Because what will happen is the arm will just lock at a certain time. >> So the question is is that you really have to decide one if you're going to have overnight parking whether it's going to be on a temporary basis or a
regular basis. So >> but so why why would we have overnight park? I mean there I don't even know the is that next building even have people living in it? >> Why would you have overnight parking? >> Why would you or why would
>> why would we need it? I mean for that would be for people who live where >> we don't need overnight parking. >> I don't think Yeah. I don't think we necessarily need it. >> Yeah. >> So then the question just becomes when do you close that gate >> if somebody's at a restaurant they drink
too much they get Uber home they might leave the car there and there and there overnight parking. That's the only thing I can think of. But the other thing you you mentioned about uh you know doing temporary I would think about the whole project what you might do and then make
believe it's done and and then drill the lines like that so we're not doing the lines all over again like >> we have to do the lines all over again when we demo the buildings. >> Yeah cuz you're going to rip up that you >> you're going to you're going to you'll put a new coating over it and then restripe once the buildings are demoed. >> All right makes and that changed the
whole thing then I see a lot of it look like brand new taro over there already. So, I thought you were just going to, you know, maybe put black the seal it and then make it all look cuz it looks pretty good from this site anyway. >> Yeah, it doesn't look that great. >> The garage came down. Yeah, >> it it doesn't look that great when
you're there. [laughter] >> Well, I said, you know, the issue that u brought up is I don't know if they say the temporary license >> and then have them responsible for closing it at night. >> Who's that? >> Say that again.
>> Temporary license with the narrows or the primo or somebody like that. >> But but are we walking ourselves into an issue that you know down the road we're going to say sorry you know this has got a limited life to it. >> No, I think everybody expects that it's going to be
>> as long as everybody's clear on it. >> I know every I know everybody down there expects it's going to be paid park pocket >> if they have a vent next door at the uh >> gates >> gates. How do you control that? Where would somebody park if they're not >> anybody can anybody can park in
>> Oh, I thought you said that you going to do the primos. You're saying just to close the gate at night or something, >> right? >> And already rents the battleship lot behind >> behind. Yeah. >> But but but we let Primos use it when we don't have a show. >> Yeah.
>> But still if like the other I was there last night, there's cars everywhere. There's another show tonight and Primos has no parking at all. There a couple of spots in the street there. That's it. >> The other thing is maybe there's a way on that temporary the gate that's there that could be on a timeout.
Yeah, I'd have to just get it all hooked up. I just got to make sure the big sign gate closes at 1:00 a.m. >> Yeah, that's what we'd [clears throat] have to do. >> Doesn't open at 9:00 a.m. next morning. If I can, >> right, maybe that's the way to do it. Just to hook that up temporarily until we get the >> I think that would be better than trying
to get I mean, we get money if we leased it, but >> No. No, I agree. So, maybe that's the way to do it. Just have a big sign, gates close at 1:00 a.m., 1:30, whatever it is, >> but then if you're in there, you're locked in there to the next one. So, you're saying Ricky's looking at the one at >> I'm trying to get a hold of him because
I had a he was out there, but he said he didn't he needed 220 and I found that >> Anan or Water Street. Which >> at Water Street? Water Street. Okay. >> I think Anowan would just be like an emergency exit or something. >> That's a chain >> once it's finally done. Yeah. But
there's no power over there right now. So, [clears throat] we wouldn't open that right now. >> A picture of it, but I couldn't find. >> Yeah. So now that I know that there's 220, now it's a matter of what >> because Water Street's big enough for cars in and out. >> Yes. Absolutely. >> Right. And when you sign that we're not
responsible of any cars broke into package or all the disclaimers in the world. >> Yeah. So I've got no I've got um no trespassing signs for all the buildings which is required by insurance and I have our name on them with our our
number to call and it's >> being videotaped and Yeah. So, I have the cameras and everything. And then I'll also have to put up >> signage. How about the lighting? Is there enough lighting for night time? >> There seems to be. So, I'm going to try to get out there at night. I mean, when I look on the cameras, it looks like all
the flood lights that are on the buildings are working and it seems lit up, but the cameras also have night vision. Yeah. >> So, I'm not totally sure how great it is. So, I got to actually get out there at night. >> Are one of those lights on the marine
museum? There is a light on the Marine Museum. Yes, >> but I'm not sure. >> That's why I'm not sure. >> National Grid over yet or >> what was that? >> We switched the account over yet. >> Um I have had made five appointments with National Grid and they have not
>> talking about. Yeah. So today was day five and it passed. [laughter] So I am um going inside now. Um so um the big so the biggest thing is is
even if we so if I can try to to to to tighten up the scope of work and the final lot design but the problem is is so I'm I'm going to do it so we're going to end up doing it twice. So I'm going to do it on a temporary lot >> and no charge. Right. So we're going to
do a temporary charge. Right. >> Right. So we're going to do a temporary lot no charge which is fine which is what this shows. And then the paid parking for the final design is what I'm showing from develop scope of work and final lot design because the final scope of work is going to kind of have to determine what buildings coming down and
what ones we're going to keep. So >> I don't know if we can do so where does that which line items at? >> Develop S. So and final lot design. >> Yeah. So we can't finalize the parking lot until the buildings are down. Right. >> No, we can final. So if we know >> we can't we can't make the improvements
to the parking area until the >> Right. But we can't. So the final layout, you'll be able to know once you take all the buildings down. >> But the actual con, you know, the black topping or whatever you're going to do. >> You can't do any of that until that's done. Yes. >> And then >> so then we'd have to prepare bid package. Then you're going to have to give them a month to bid and then we
have to bring it to the board for approval. I was assuming we'd bring it in the November and then we would do um and then we'd um award it right after that meeting. kind of spilled into December, but we couldn't start demo until January.
So, we would start demo in January and then we would figure that we'd have a projected completion of the final lot like April 30th. >> When do you go to the historic commission? >> I'm going to get the letter out. I'm going to try to I'll draft it tomorrow. I'll have John look at it and Sarah look
at it and um and we'll get that. I don't know when their next meeting is. I meant to look at that, but I didn't get a chance to do that. But they meet monthly. So, >> I assume we'll go to the meeting after we send the letter because I'm sure there will be lots of questions.
[clears throat] >> How many parking spaces? >> So, if we were to put it in right now as is >> um I meeting with the the guy from Beta um Wednesday morning. It'll be roughly because they have show 118 spaces, but
um he's got them in spaces that don't really work. So I have to we have to walk through that. But it's going to be somewhere around 110 probably. >> That's with the buildings or without the buildings. >> That's with all the buildings. >> So if we take out the buildings, we'll be picking up additional spaces. >> Yes. If you take out all the buildings,
you'll pick up close to I think like 180. >> That's That's a lot of pocket. >> Yeah. How many spaces in the battleship lot >> the battle? If you clean that lot up and if you clean that lot up and stripe it right, you can get a lot more in there.
>> That's what the one >> I don't think they got 180 now. >> No, but if you clean that lot up and stripe it right, you get a lot more. >> You're talking about a different lot than the battleship lot. No, we're talking about the one they lease from the narrows rents. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If they clean that up and stripe it, you
get a lot more cars in there. >> I was just trying to get a sense. >> Yeah. I don't think there's 180 in there. >> I don't think it's that many. I don't remember. Are there windows on buildings and six? >> Not just the >> uh six doesn't six has some um
>> um >> glass brick at the top because building six is an explosion proof building. >> Um building five and building three have windows. Yes. >> Want to board those and cure them. >> We could but then it's such an ugly look. >> Battleship windows.
>> I know. >> Next to the train. We're inviting trouble. >> I hear what you're saying. We can >> I think we should >> What are you saying, Chill? >> To board the windows [clears throat] on three and five.
>> You can make them decorative. Make them put boards over them, paint windows on them. >> Yeah. >> Even though we're not taking them down taking down. >> I think you're right. You don't want people >> Yeah. Yeah, we're just in trouble if we don't do something to secure it better.
>> They got those buildings with the fake windows on them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think you're worried about the >> Yeah, I bought it from the inside. So, it would still kind of look >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But but just do something. Yeah. >> We're not inviting any situations.
>> Y mean levels all the way up. >> There's only one story. >> There's There are They're single. Yeah, they're single stories. [snorts] >> Okay. So, we're going to you're going to check on the gate to see if it can be operated >> automatically. Yeah. >> On some sort of time.
>> I'm assuming it can be because there's 220s there and it did work. So, I think it's just a matter of >> So, it' be free parking until such time we take down the buildings and restruct. >> Yeah. So, we would So, in essence, we would be closing the temporary parking
lot sometime like at the end of December. cuz if this we'd have to wait for the to demo in January. So, >> and then we also may be able to get the uh I don't know if we even need it, but the temp the finalized gate. There's no
rush if we can control the gate now. >> Correct. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And we will not open the gate on Analon Street. That'll just be a gate. So we So are you saying like we might have to stripe it temporarily, but >> Yes, we'll stripe it temporarily.
>> I mean that's can't be a humongous amount of money. >> I can't I >> think it was $35 per spot last time I >> Yeah. So um >> so if you do 100 spots >> Yeah. So I'm figuring it's going to be somewhere between 5 and 7500. So I just got to get some pricing on it.
>> That I don't know if that'll be a true check. >> Do it over again at the end. It's not a huge thing. >> Yeah. It's not a lot. And it I haven't spent much of the money that's been allotted for the property to spend it. So that 125 that you guys gave me, I've probably only spent
not even 20 of it yet. So >> can we start getting bids to demolish demolish before the 6 months is over? >> Yeah, that's what that's what this shows, Ron. But I have to get a bid package together and a full scope of work and all of that. So that's what that's >> I got to figure out which buildings we want at demol, >> right? Yeah. So that's so we're going to
really have to think about which of those buildings. So if anybody knows of anybody who's interested in any looking at any of those buildings, they should speak now if I roll their piece. Oh, >> I'm sorry. So that prepared bid package was for the buildings. >> It's for the whole It's for the buildings, the resurfacing of the lot,
any electrical that has to get done because we're going to have to when we take down the buildings, we have to move the electrical. >> How about the gate? >> And it would be the parking system, too. >> Okay. So that's in there. >> Yeah, that's all in there, too. >> Lighting. >> What? >> Lighting? >> Yeah. So we'll have to So we're taking down the building. We're going to have to redo the lighting. We're going to
have to move the electrical service. We're going to have to um uh demo the buildings, resurface a lot, restripe the lot. Um fencing will probably become an issue. Um we might have to rearrange some of the fencing. Um and uh what else
was I thinking? >> Who pay for the the security cameras? >> We do, right? >> We did that. We do that last meeting. >> Was it last meeting? We we can see if there's if there's any grant money out there that could help us with any of the
demo and all of that, but I'm not so sure. >> Yeah, it's probably that's going to be all on our dime. >> Is that is that all of it that's in the war now? >> Isn't there there's a number for the >> cameras? It's half of the price. >> 4400.
>> Oh, that's just a deposit. Okay. >> Yeah, but it's done. I'm assuming we have to have access for the gas department to get in there for survey >> easements. So, >> I'm waiting on the final survey plans and then I'm going to take them down to Dan in Engineering and I'm going to one of my plans is to try to get that Pawn
Street extension reestablished so that we can have Liberty access that high-pressure gas lines off of >> the pond street so they won't have to come on our property because it could be a nightmare if we have a full lot because there's an event or something
and they have to bring tankering trucks in to either raise the pressure, lower the pressure or whatever they have to do to those lines. So, I was >> see is that area fenced off? >> It is all fenced off. Yes. So, the So, if we can get that reestablished, that'll make life a lot easier for us in the in the in their access to the
property. They would just need to put a gate in the in the little lot. And I'm pretty sure they could manage that. I think >> Yeah. You maybe also, if you keep any of the buildings, you could flood light them. >> Yeah. >> So, you don't have to put holes, right?
>> Yeah. And if one's on the marine museum, I think there's already one on the marine museum. >> There is. And I'm just not sure if it's if it's their power, our power that's powering it. >> So, okay. >> That building's a mess. Um,
[clears throat] so, all right. So, I'll proceed then with um getting it set up temporarily. I'll look about getting that fence charged and I'll look um at getting um uh strike. Are there any more events at the gates between now and >> there's one August 8th?
>> Yeah, they just do it, but we won't have it ready by then. >> We won't have it ready by then. >> Doing boxing down here or something. >> Yeah. And they they want the park if if they asked in the parking lot. We need to stay open till 2 in the morning. I'm like >> 2 in the morning.
>> Yeah. Cuz the events go till 12 and they figure by the time they clear everybody out it'd be 2 in the morning. Yeah. So yeah. >> All right. So that is how I will proceed. Okay. >> I suppose if we if we give it a time on
the lot, they'll have access that we can change our hour if we want to. >> Yeah. So when I when I was talking to him about it, you there'll be like an app you can go on if you need to change the times for any special event or something like that. >> So there's an app for >> you can just have it signed you up
temporary for today. They will be open at 2 >> or they can work around your schedule. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And just have them get out of there at 1. Yeah. >> I mean, I can't So, my thing would be it would probably stay open later. So, that would really work in the Parker's favor as opposed to our favor. I can't imagine
we'd ever close it earlier, but I don't know. Situation may arise. >> Something is going to snowplow it. >> Yeah. So, that is the other thing. We would we will have to clear the snow. >> Yeah. >> But we need to something there anyway. Just so even if you weren't doing
anything, you just to have access. >> Congratulations. [laughter] >> I wasn't doubting it. >> So, you all set with that K? >> I believe I am. [laughter] >> Should we have a groundbreaking when we have the gates up and >> Absolutely. [laughter]
>> Uh Sarah, you going to talk about Pleasant Street? >> Pleasant Street. or >> if there is something to talk about. >> Oh yeah, >> unfort unfortunately there is. I chatted with Joan about it this afternoon. So,
um I guess the good news is that [clears throat] Emily Inis sent in a final version of the urban renewal plan to um the housing department, EOHLC, and um we heard back from our staff
person there. There were lots of things mentioned that needed to be fixed, but I don't think anything is major. So, I haven't talked it just came. I haven't talked with Emily yet to find out what she thinks. Um, but we we already have
uh an amendment that should include that work. The bad news is that um we had written a letter that we worked hard on to send to Secretary Ter, the head of um the agency that oversees
MEPA. and um we then decided to ask for help intervening um to uh try to be sure that we didn't get stuck
in months of review. And so Doug Gro who is the um permitting uh liaison for the governor's office who's in the economic development office [laughter] had [clears throat] come and met with us and said if you ever need
help with permitting I'm a liaison and I can help you. So, we talked with him and he said he would go to bat for us with [clears throat] EOHLC
well with um economic development and the lieutenant governor's office to try to get um the uh the scope of work rescended. So basically because we had
a MEPA review of our um environmental notification form, we didn't necessarily qualify for the change in the regulations that we worked
so hard to get changed. There was a belief within MEPA that because we already had a scope of work identified for an EIR, an environmental impact report, that we still needed to do one
even though the regulations had changed. And our consultants had talked with MEPA and found that that was the director's belief. So the intervention
was to ask that that scope of work be rescended so that we be consistent with the new regulations. Well, it turned out that even though um Doug went to the Lieutenant Governor's
office to ask for us to have relief, we still had to meet with Tori Kim who said that we either had to do the EIR because we had a scope of work for it already identified or we could do a notice of
project change, which as Ken agrees is a pretty simple form. arm. However, Tori said that we had to still address every item in the scope of work
that is in the um was identified for an EIR. And so even though in the notice of project change, we're saying we want you to resend the scope of work because it's
no longer required under the new regulations. She still wants us to address all the items identified in the EIR. So I've gone through this and there are some where we can say
this is just um a um you know a a plan that's perspective. This is just a prospective plan. It's not a real plan. There's no definite project happening. some items we can say
that and not have to do more. But she expects us to analyze um the amount of utilities that would be used, analyze the number of parking spaces and how they're going to be addressed. I pushed back on that with
her and said, "Well, you know, we're talking about buildings that would be developed and built, you know, through a 20-year period. All kinds of things can change that would make parking totally
unable to be identified now. And so there are some that we can address reasonably easily. Others she's expecting us to have >> Can I Can I just say >> Yeah.
>> Can I intervene on this? >> Yeah. >> In Boston and speak directly with them on this. >> Sure. >> Okay. Yeah. Because which is saying makes absolutely no sense. I'm not saying that you're saying, >> right? >> But I'm just saying the process makes no sense. There's something
>> that's being lost in translation here. >> Okay. So, I'd like the opportunity to speak directly to them on this >> and try to get a better clarification. >> Okay. That sounds great. >> Yeah. Only because this is >> doesn't make any sense. we change the regulations and we're doing a notice of
project change, we don't have to address all those other issues like they're part of the project because they're no longer part part of the project, right? >> They never were. >> They're no longer part of the project. >> Well, they're no longer required by the regulations >> or or part of the project. Stafford Square is no longer part of this
project, right? >> Well, Stafford Square is not an issue because we can say the plans haven't been developed yet, >> right? But that's in but that's in the EIR right. So there's certain things that I think we've just got to >> right there >> muddle through. So this is I'll I'll let
me see if I can speak to him directly on this. >> All right. >> So um God and you think you'll be able to get an answer in a couple of weeks? >> I don't know. couple weeks. Um, but >> see that's my concern is that we keep
>> certainly within 30 days. >> We keep, you know, pushing on them. >> I know. Only and the only reason I'm not saying it's just my time in a couple weeks. So, in 30 days, we I'll stop the I'll start the conversation shortly. >> Yeah. Should we just submit a simple notice of project change in the meantime
or >> you said you sent a letter in. I don't know what the letter says. No, we didn't send the letter because we found that we really needed to just have this conversation with Tori. But >> if you could just put me put together a memo.
>> Yep. >> Highlighting where you think you are on this thing and then this way >> I'll have something I can work off of and speak to them directly about >> to who are you going to speak to? >> I'll speak to whoever I need to speak. >> Okay.
Um, you know, the other option is to just answer every question as this is speculative, but that's not what >> that's going to cost time and money for the redevelopment because you're going to have your consultants do that. >> Well, no. I mean, I can [clears throat] I can answer every question very
>> succinctly >> succinctly with this is not um this is just a speculative plan. That's not what she's asking for. She's asking. >> So that'd be that'd be an exercise of futility, right? >> I would think so. >> So I don't think we want to do that. >> No, I don't think so either.
>> Um, [clears throat] so that if we had to have consultants work with us on it, it would cost more money. And I went to one thing that I'm not sure um
the board is really aware of is that we have $60,000 set aside for us by mass housing which we've been using for some of these consultant costs. And so I asked if we could use some of that
60,000 toward consultants if we need to go through this whole exercise. And [clears throat] it really isn't workable because by the state purchasing laws,
they feel that even though they funded us to have Inis Associates work on this for the last several years, because we paid Inis originally and we put it out to bid,
they're working process now within Mass Housing is that they wouldn't fund us to do it. They would fund the consultant directly and they would put them out to bid themselves. So they would feel that they
need to put it um put this project out to bid and we might not be able to work within US associates which makes no sense to start a new consultant on this project. and we could let them talk with
their lawyers and see if in a month or two we got an answer about whether they would let us work with Annis Associates and they would pay for it, but they're very uh they believe it's unlikely and
that it would take a month or two to get that answer. So, that doesn't seem like a helpful approach. Sarah, is there a deadline on that money? >> No. >> Using it? >> There isn't. Unbelievably, there isn't. We're part of a [clears throat]
hub program and as long as we're in the program, that money is still available to us. [cough] And so we go to meetings and um I talked with her about what we could
use could use it for. And we could use it for analysis of funding for different approaches toward buildings that we may want to um acquire. And there may be other ways that we could use it. And we really should
figure out how we want to use it because we've not been using it because we've been focused on the potential we would need to use it to fund the EIR. But the more recently I've learned that
no matter how we approached the EIR, they would have felt they had to put it out to bid. And we don't want to start over with consultants. So now we have um we have to figure out how to um use that
60,000 in a way that will really help us in the Flint. >> So that's something we should work on. Um, so any questions on that? Um,
Congressman Aenclaus was supposed to come and take a visit to some of the projects in the Flint today, but it got cancelled because of the rain and how he was going to look at youth painting murals and visit gardeners at the
community garden, neither of which would be happening in the rain. So, we have that to look forward to probably in October. So then the north downtown historic district nma has a few things happening.
Um one is that on August 15th there's going to be a taste of fall river. Um the streets will be closed, a band will be playing and uh a lot of restaurants will be um having stalls and letting
people uh have samples and probably purchase different um specialties of theirs. So that's the um evening of Saturday, August 15th, and one of the scheduled
events that was planned a number of months ago >> on Purchase Street. >> Yep. On Purchase Street. Now that we have a fiscal agent, we're applying to a number of um entities that
are support have in have expressed interest in supporting the work. And so we're sending out um Joseph Holddeman is working on it. I think that um Jasmine in the mayor's office is going to help
and we're getting a lot of applications out so that we can fund bands and some of this work and um bank five would definitely like to fund um banners with us along North
Main Street. They wouldn't fund all them all of them, but they would fund banners near their um big building. And so I've been talking with the city about their allowing banners. There's been a long
time that the city's felt that banners cost um once they do banners in one neighborhood, all neighborhoods want banners. And even if the neighborhoods pay for the banners, um the expectation
has been that um the Department of Community Maintenance would put them up and then if they ripped that they would um put up replacements. And so what we're looking at and talking with the
city about is that the banners would be put up by the company that prints the banners, which may be um Baker Signs, and that we would have extra banners and that there would be a maintenance piece
to it and so that the city wouldn't be having to deal with putting them up or replacing them. And I think the city in that instance will allow us to do banners on North Main Street, but I'm
still waiting for the mayor's office to confirm that and then we'll need to work with folks in the neighborhood to finish raising money for that. Um what we have been working on is that
um uh the NMA had applied to this souththeast um [clears throat] visitors bureau for the funding that um is provided to
visitors bureaus by the state. And so $4,000 was set aside and it needed to be matched with $6,000. And um thanks to Johnny, his firm and Johnny have contributed the 6,000. So we
have 10,000 that's now being spent for advertising for a video that would be taken throughout the year of different events and then be able to be put on social media. There would be Viva is
going to work on social influencers advertising the district and we're working on this big banner sign that will go on um the building that Joseph
owns that had the bank sign. I guess it was bank of Fall River. It was a huge sign. And so [clears throat] we have someone designing an interesting um
kind of billboard that would say NMA on one side um and downtown historic district and then have a lot of graphics that are being developed that kind of pick up um designs in the neighborhood.
So he's working on um some of the uh tree grates have these interesting designs on them and um so that's all in process and being funded through this um
combination of grant and um matching grant. Sorry, that the the $10,000 that you referenced, is that directly to NMA or is that who who's using that $10,000 for that specific marketing budget? It's a
really interesting program where the state requires that the um Southeast Visitor Southeast Visitors Bureau um
actually gets the funds from the matching funds. So, they went to our fiscal sponsor and are now in the hands of the South Coast Visitors Bureau and then they pay the
invoices for the projects and all the projects have to be approved by the visitors bureau. They have to have the visitors bureau logo, you know, they we have to have graphics into them that show the
visitors bureau and um the Massachusetts office of travel and tourism's logo. And so it's very much controlled by the visitors bureau and the state funds that
are then being matched. So, [clears throat] so we've had and we're under this incredible time frame. It all has to be um kind of uh figured out by the end of July. So, we have been under
quite a time frame and it really was started before um it was started a long time ago. This application was put in in February and wasn't really something that um all of
NMA was totally aware how this all played out. So, um I've gotten involved and um really down to the wire to help make this all come through because we were thinking we
were just going to have to say we can't use the 4,000 and um [clears throat] and that would have been a challenge for the visitors bureau because they had kind of set that aside. So, um, so it's
been an interesting process over the last month or so to figure all this out, but I think it's going to be advantageous for NMA. So, that's um pretty much the NMA
report. >> [clears throat] >> You want to talk about the mural? >> Yes. So, [clears throat] um Tracy had been to the last board meeting and um
uh mentioned to a couple of folks that she needs more funding for the Brack needs more funding for the Tide Portal Mural project. and um
we asked her to send information to the board. Um she was encouraged to put in a proposal. So you got a few different pieces. In retrospect, we wish we'd um PDFed all of them together because I
realized that there were three different pieces which Karen numbered and we hoped it would make sense, but I know that folks had um a hard time thinking realizing that
these were all kind of the same project. So, you have the tide um portal mural description and then one that really described the challenges of the project and while [snorts] why it still needs
funding. And so the history is that the city with frack applied to Bloomberg Philanthropies for $25,000 to do an asphalt art initiative which
was envisioned to be on South Main Street by Kennedy Park. And the asphalt initiative is a concept that you paint a part of a street in a way that slows traffic and makes it a safer
intersection. So there are parts of South Main Street along Kennedy Park that are known to have a high accident count. And so the city thought it was a great idea to go for these funds to
paint the street. And when it really came down to traffic and other city departments looking at that, they decided kind of late in the game that [clears throat] it wasn't going to work.
So Frack had spent money to have a mural artist design this mural that would go on the asphalt and then it couldn't happen and then it moved to another spot and it was found that that wasn't going to be feasible. So Frack ended up
spending money and a lot of staff time on two different projects that ended up not happening. So ultimately, and that was even be some of that was before Tracy was there. And when Tracy got there, she understood that there had
always been a plan by Mass DOT for art to be around the underpass for the ramp that goes down uh onto Deval Street. And so she pursued getting Bloomberg
Philanthropies to allow her to instead of have the mural on asphalt to have it on the walls of the underpass. And there's still a belief that that creates
um an in, you know, it will create an interesting place right near the Cove restaurant where people um are going to be walking through that area. It was already lit by Mass DOT because the
understanding was that art would go there. So, um, Bloomberg agreed to let them move the concept over there and paint the two walls of that underpass. So, they're already partially painted.
She wants to have an opening with a band and really open this wonderful addition to the waterfront. And so, [clears throat] so there's still funds to be raised because the 25,000 that should have
originally funded the project was unfortunately used to some extent for these efforts that weren't able to be fulfilled. And so she has a gap of
around 17,000. she's put out um she has crowdfunding out. She's applied to some other places, but she's sitting here with that gap and she was encouraged to um put a proposal into us. And so that's
where it stands. The other thing that um she did do was over the last year um Sunrise Erectors has put in $10,000. It shows 5,000 here, but um earlier funds
were um [snorts] Al contributed so that she could just keep working on this because it's been a challenge to keep moving it from place to place to place. >> Have you guys seen any of it yet? She's moving right along.
>> Oh, I I I haven't. Um I I just slide four. I think that's that's pretty interesting. The the safety benefits. I think there's actual evidence that show the implication of this art. Um I'm just curious the what is the the
design background? Um >> it's like a marine theme >> because it's waterfront or how did how did that kind of come about? Is this slide three? Is that showing the actual artwork? >> Yeah, that
>> the swordfish and flying balls. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think it's supposed to be doves like >> and it's like I I read it as like a piece of I don't get it. >> Yeah. I'm just I'm just kind of
background interpretation that that land there. >> It's a well-known mural artist who >> Oh, I'm sure she's very talented. I'm not I'm not saying one way or another. I'm just curious as to how we landed as to this is going to be the mural
pick out means >> and the state state already agreed to what was going to be put up there. >> I don't think the state needed to agree to the actual art that was decided. Murals were >> envisioned there and um
>> there was no conversation of like you know fall over history or anything that involves the city. Well, frack fck made the choice of it and um the
description of the meaning behind it is migration. um draws from the inspirations of the south coast's natural rhythms and cultural heritage featuring hydrangeas,
migratory species, flowing form and flowing forms. It celebrates Fall River's maritime landscape, immigrant history, and connection to the sea while creating a bold visual gateway to the waterfront.
>> So, This represents >> Yeah, that I'm not sure. Is this the slide three? Is that the actual artwork? I haven't seen >> slide three right there. >> Yeah, that's the actual artwork. >> Those those are sawfish. I thought they were dolphins. >> What? >> Those are swordfish. I thought they were
dolphins. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, there was the question, are these really um species in Fall River? and they're migratory species.
So, you know, you can critique the art, but you'd have to talk with Frack about >> Yeah. And I was just curious, just general curiosity. I'm not >> That's the global gas sign. >> Yeah. So, that that's exactly it. >> Yeah. >> What is it?
>> Yeah. If you look at um aggressive trash five to the far left, that's live because you can see the global gas sign on the far right of that image. There's a guy standing here and there's a lift on it. >> Mhm. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, I donated the lifts for them to use and then as Sarah mentioned, my company gave 5,000 and then I gave 5,000 um to try to, you know, help help them because they were short trying to get it
done. But it's um it's really cool looking. I've been checking in on them and uh >> I tried mine every day. I haven't even noticed them working yet. >> Yeah, they're out there. >> Oh, yeah. I had at least two, three times a day. You do the under. >> Well, do you go through the Do you do the roundabout? Do you go underneath
that? Do you do the >> rough? It's not the hole. I go hole like this that my vital nutrition on Broadway. I drive by there every day to get to it. >> Yeah, but unless you were taking that Uturn. Unless you're taking Street, you're not seen. >> You're not seen unless you're on Deval
Street. Yeah. >> No, no, I'm on >> Well, it's the Point Gloria side. >> If you're going southbound and you do the U-turn, you have to drive through. >> So, it's coming on this side. You got to go further up and make take the U-turn to Deval Street. >> Not Turner Street. The next one up.
>> You have to go by the car >> from the highway >> from from North Main Highway and then going on the whole Deval Street right to past the Larry and Allen's building >> and past the cold and past. >> So you're not you're driving over it.
You're driving over it. >> No, you're going south, right? You're going south. >> I'm going south. Yeah. To Broadway. So he's not driving over. >> So you're driving by. You're not looking to the left. >> He's not taking the turn. >> You're not taking the turn. >> And the other thing too is when the um
>> I call them the Russians, but the fatality >> gets that built, there's going to be more people I think you know walking underneath. The gas station's closed right now, but I mean I think eventually there's going to be more activity. So >> there used to be two way. Now it's only one way. >> Correct. You can only come from the cove
side going across the other side cuz I almost took a left over there. Think I could go to the co. Oh, I see it stops on this side. There's only one lane. >> That's where it is. That's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> I just did that the other day going by co I almost turned into it. I still didn't see it. >> I guess I'm blind. I'm blind.
>> So anyway, we just need to decide, you know, how much or whatever we're willing to give them as the board. >> How much is this project here? If you got 25, you're 17, you're 10. It's a $50,000 project.
>> I think ultimately, let's see, they then put quick numbers together, but you got 52 >> at the end of it. [clears throat] >> Uh 475 47560. >> Yeah. And they raised 30 according to this.
30,700. [snorts] >> Yeah. I'm assuming probably 7,000 next year. with a band and a party or something. >> Mhm. >> Well, they've got >> We'll make sure you get there for that. >> 4,860 [laughter] for community engagement in the
dedication event. I imagine community engagement may be getting classes or people down there to look at it and understand the art. Um they spent some money trying to raise money which
is always the challenge. Um they have the lead artist and then artist assistants and then project management managing this from 23 to 26 because it moved from place to place and required
you know renegotiations, redesign and so um >> have the fundraising efforts fallen short and that's why they're looking to the redevelopment authority or >> Oh just one of the many entities they're going to try to fill the gap. But you
had to recognize Frack is a little nonprofit that has to raise the money for every project and for their operating costs and for their executive director. They get some state money. They get money from various places, but
their staff time was invested significantly in this project and it's been happening for three years. So, it isn't just for the painting. It's for all the organizational effort that goes into making a project like this happen,
especially when it was kind of cancelled twice, which was not their doing at all. So, >> is that what our job is to help them? >> Yeah. I'm just wonder I don't know if if
I don't know if I should spend $17,000 out of our budget for something that's not I don't want to say yes. >> Okay. Can I say something? I I think that's rather rich for us and I think it should be a more modest >> Okay. >> amount if we agree on something. >> You could give any amount you like. >> Well, I'm just wonder
I think the question is >> are we allowed under as a board? >> The question is does the organization [music] need to have some sort of policy? >> Right? because now you're opening the door for other requests. >> Was the Boys and Girls Club next say I need money for this. So now
>> one distinction is you're in an urban renewal district and you're trying to take what wasn't light. This is part of your urban renewal plan area. So you're not just giving money to some agency that has nothing to do with this. I would say that there you should
establish a policy because once you go down this road other requests may be forthcoming >> and I see yes to one no to another >> right >> and there's just so that be some whether it's you're only making allocations in urban renewal areas >> or nonprofits I I don't know what those
criteria would be but I just think you need to have some sort of policy >> you know and to me listen this is I think this is a nice project for the waterfront Um, but I mean I think you know I just think you figure out what your comfort level is with regard to the
allocation and then moving forward maybe put a policy together just so that you'll have some criteria to measure additional requests they may be forthcoming. >> I think even beyond it being in an urban renewal area it's right near city pier. It's in the waterfront district that
we've been investing enormously in. So, you know, it's we spend a lot on landscaping for for City Pier and now for Northfield Point. And >> that's property you own. >> Huh. >> It is. I know. But this is >> it's all within the waterfront. That's
what I'm saying. So, everybody think I like the tie to the urban renewal plan, right? I'm just saying. >> Yeah. >> Just got to be cautious moving forward after this one. >> Is that thing the fiveyear plan? Is it worth going to last 10 years or they keep on they keep on coloring it again or is it just something that once it
fades away it's done? >> Well, it's it's under cover so sure it's going to last a lot longer than it would if it was you know on the side. I think public art is very important to a city, right? You see, >> you see different murals throughout the
city and I think they're very becoming. I think, >> you know, I think there's enough examples in the city, I think, is nice. This one here, >> you know, whether you like the mural or not, I think it's it's art and art is always in the eye to behold it, right? >> But not only that, but if you drove through there a month ago, you just saw
concrete walls, >> right? And now he's like, "Wow, you stopped." Look. And then William Sylvia is doing another one on the building over here on Bedford Street. >> He had to stop because he got called into the reserves. He had to go to Texas. But he's doing one on the side of the uh building right next to the police
station. I gave him a machine for that. >> Tony's building. >> Recreations building. >> Yeah. Okay. >> He He's got like the outline started and then he got called up. If you went down there 10 years ago, it was a rusty highway there. >> Right. Exactly. [laughter] >> Yeah. That's right. I guess the reason I
was mentioning City Pier is just it's an area that we're just care a lot about and if it were somewhere else in an urban renewal area, I wouldn't necessarily, you know, I agree it's a good idea to
have a um a policy. Um but I wouldn't advocate for a mural just anywhere. I think >> Yeah, I think you have to have a policy in a budget line going forward. I'm just a board of director that doesn't know the answer to the question. Are we allowed to do it? I'm not going to make
a decision to vote on something if I'm not allowed to do it. That's that's the only question I was ask. >> I don't think there's anything >> you can give prevention. >> Yeah, you can give up. We've done it before. I'm trying to think of an example of something we've done. >> Well, during the pandemic, you gave grants to small businesses. >> No, but I'm thinking more like physical
improvements. Like we've given money for maybe it was the lighting on side of the building. Like we've done different think of one we've done. >> You're talking about a physical improvement here districts. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> The judgment call. >> No. How much should we give if we decide
I'd want to give >> you guys I'll disagree with that. [laughter] I'm not I'm not honest when it comes to this much. >> So you guys decide with I would not pick out the mural either. >> [laughter] >> Well, it's like what Ben I I think like
it it's a lot more attractive than like if he was going to paint like a mill building or something historical kind of doesn't go waterfront there. >> So listen, you can have all sorts of schools of thought. >> Yeah. >> As to what a mural should look like, right? Some people that are more historically,
>> you know, advocate for historical murals. Other people have more esoteric. other people have more, >> you know, but we're trying to promote the waterfront. So, I think it's actually a good >> a good idea.
What is is there a formalized ask to >> Well, >> I think there's 17, >> but from from us specifically there >> there's 17, but has there >> is that what she's asking or is
arts and cultural coalition respectfully request financial support of 17,000 from the redevelopment authority toward completion of this project? That's the ask. >> Yeah. >> So, [clears throat]
>> what are you thinking? >> Uh, the question I don't know if you got to abstain because he's already contributed. >> I don't think so. He doesn't he don't own the real estate or I mean, I'm just saying. Yeah.
>> Are you asking me what I think we should do? Um, I think we should do 7500. >> Yeah, I would agree with that. >> 5,000. >> 5,000. >> We're opening, you know, we're as Ken said, we will get other requests and and I think
>> Okay. >> 5,000. >> That help that helps that almost a third of it. So, >> Sarah, >> yeah, that's fine. >> Okay. Then >> comfortable with that. Okay, good. John,
>> we're supporting the arts. >> I don't have a vote. >> I don't do a policy. >> Is this a wise use of our money? >> I think so. >> Okay, good. >> I make a motion that we uh allocate $5,000. A motion to approve financial
support to for arts and culture coalition for the for development authority in amount of 5,000 to the title model mural project. >> Second. >> Second. >> John, yes. Ron Rousen, yes. >> Fleberg, yes. >> Joe Maderas, yes.
>> Thank you. Uh, let's see. Um, no further matters for the open session. The chair makes finding an open session would have a detrimental effect on negotiating position of the public body. Purpose of the executive session is to approve the executive session minutes
from June 24, 2026 to review prior executive session minutes and discuss strategy with respect to potential real estate transactions for properties located at zero deval street, Fall River and the Deval Street corridor, Fall River. I'll entertain a motion to enter
into executive session and we will not return to open session. >> Motion to enter into executive session and we will not return to open session. >> Second. Second, yes. >> Yes. >> Fleber. Yes. >> John Madaras. Yes.