let's start the meeting Uh pursuant to open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting the meeting through any medium Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unpersceived by those
present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible Start off with uh roll call Senator DD Stephanie MacArthur director of traffic and parking Natalie Melo Kelly Demi director Department of Community Maintenance Okay Um do we have a motion to accept a
minutes from last month or citizen input that is not on the current agenda everyone received a or citizen input that is not on the current agenda Everyone received a letter talking about tonight already If not we'll get to it and
you'll have your chance Um there are no table This one and uh what it is If you guys like to come down uh your name and uh what it is If you guys like to come down uh your name and uh what it is your
concerns are in front of me Hello Hello Well last I know is we were here in October I'm sorry Just the name and address for good No that's okay So how are you Stephanie uh Aaron Parisy uh 1745 Blossom Road
Keith Paris 1745 Blossom Road William Latenda 1757 Blossom Road as well Wendle attend 1757 Blossom Road Um so you may not have been here then in
the October meeting but I know the rest were and how we left it was they were going to get back to me us on the issues with the parking at the next meeting We were here I emailed Stephanie that we had to leave in emergency We had to leave So we left that November meeting
January popped up that it was only back on the schedule That was the one I did speak to Stephanie for a good 21 minute conversation that morning explaining to her my daughter had the flu flu a unless you all wanted it I was going to have her with me Um and that I couldn't make it I said "I'm not no showing it What do we do?" And she goes "I don't even think
we need you to be there I think it'll be fine because again Mike um Labasia was involved as well and she was going to see if he could come to it." So at that point um she was going to call me back Not even that You want to mention the mayor and the senator that was in between as well There was some
correspondence in between then that I had also questioned her on that saying that at the same time did I even need to come that day because it was already somehow in in between the November meeting to then that the Senator Rogers and Mayor Pugan had already told me that
they were already in the works Signs were done It's getting put up So I what now the no parking signs Okay Yeah Sorry So this is where I was at So when I called Stephanie that morning I said "Listen I'm in a bind It's 8:30." As soon as she walked in the door I said "She's home She's got 104 fever What do
I do?" I said "I don't want to be a no-show This is you know what I mean this is going to be a problem." She "No no problem." And then I asked her I said "Also do you know about that correspondence?" And you said you were aware and you said it still had to go through the meeting I said "That's fine." And she you said that was you'll let me know You'll call me tomorrow I
didn't get a call I saw the meeting on the Friday you had mentioned and I had never met you guys you before because like you were here at the October meeting um that just nope wish I was here and denied the second miss so I don't know what got mistaken but that's
where I'm left off okay um why you again again so okay I know but the rest that's what I'm saying so um well we have an issue where I had talked to the forester originally and said my concerns back for a year or so saying with between the
parking that was happening the excessive people sitting there the drug deals going down um things that are just increasing out of nowhere with time and then um nips beer condoms needles
everything on the roadway I had also things that never used to be there So I had said my biggest concern was going to come into play come September of this year because now my child's bus stop for high school is at that fork intersection So now it's no longer my driveway He is expected to walk from my yard to there
Do I bring him of course But he's expected to walk there And god forbid I can't make that happen or if I can't make it in time on the way home He still has to walk by that And I understand that in the city there's other problems There's much bigger issues at the same time Don't get me wrong you know And it was and I've said this multiple times to
a few of the people here and it was explained to me that you know well no if we have better areas that's how we keep it We got to we got to nip it right away My other perspective is in the city there's a lot more people a lot more buildings something happens someone might hopefully witness it in the woods where there's no one no one's going to
know anything So even more so and that's my child as well as there is other children that are coming up to play So um at that point um we explained that here as well And then it was also the fact of because of the parking there was a moment where uh there's been issues
with the parking the bus intersection at the at the fork that someone had ran my son's crossing right there right through it And the excuse was I didn't see the stop sign because of mind you I know that's an excuse but because of parking on the side of the road which I know
that's an excuse but there is it is still a fact that there is it is hard and the roads are narrower and if you do have two trucks they are and if you have two trucks driving by you're mirror to mirror and the the usually the brush once you get to the spring it does overgrow I'm scratching my car at the
same time if someone is parked off to the side they are not usually fully over they are halfway to at least a third of the way into the roadway You add that two trucks and there is at least I think I've counted at least 15 either vans trucks that actually live and reside
post that not just people just incoming coming by that this is people that are common traffic let alone the added traffic that just people driving or deliveries just on our side just on our side Um so at that point it was everything together When you look at the
situation of I went to Mike Fosia I had even spoken to local EPOS's and it was said to me that Mike had said I'm going to reach out to Stephanie because I think no parking and that's and then Mike's never come back Um and I know originally when we left off um and I
think I know you remember that's and then Mike's never come back Um and I know originally when we left off um and I think I know you remember um it was we can we just talk to Mike Labosio can we speak to local EPOs i said yeah because even local EPO said our hands are kind of tied with the signs at least we can
kind of do something and and it'll also hopefully deter these people from parking there because they either won't want a ticket they won't get it towed Hopefully this is their their hope to try and then they hand they can you know um what it's my words now um the hands
won't be you know what I'm saying they can at least handle it that's how it was explained to me so they all were in favor I was like okay so I guess this is what I'm doing so that's when I got to do my first meeting ever and was here in October so that's that's that
and I don't know yeah I just wanted my name is Paul hot and uh I went up to get property a couple weeks ago and after that I've gone I've just driven up there um just to see um what might might be the
circumstances up there And there is there is a lot of like um parking at and those if you if you go up there you take a left on Blossom Road at that fork Yep And we we uh were fortunate enough through um we got now a blinking uh stop sign up there which is which is good And
then Stephanie helped out with that a lot And that was very that was very good Um but there is a lot of uh since I've since I've met the paraces and the neighbors up there Um I've just driven up there because I kind of wanted not just one day visit but I went up there a few times and there are seems to be
parking there Um ill illegally but they're parked there Yellow gates and it seems like there there was nobody in there so they might have walked into the into the trail area Um I'm just guessing that that's what happened Um and then I
I saw a couple times where um there were like uh two people um two cars there um people in the car I just kept driving Of course I know we're pretty over what they do So I don't I think there if if there's any and also too like I I mean I
was talking maybe uh to other folks that a police presence is probably good up there but I don't know how often that happens Um so I think maybe the compromise if it's if at all possible would be maybe maybe accommodate them with these particular park signs These
uh no parking signs up in maybe up in uh from that where the corner is to the to the gates where those where those cate gates are on Blossom Road Um maybe up to there's other parking issues that they have towards
the erosion which is there's erosion That's why I'm just like I'm here for for them Uh just to hopefully be be there's maybe some compromise where something can be done there Sure We've also just to add we've also added five
um EPOS up there There's five environmental police not just the two The police department has gotten more So there'll be more This only academy or they are there'll be more present there according to chief You have some No Yeah Because that was the other thing now again thinking and
trying not to think of my spiel to kind of remember back but again there's erosion to the road This is the wata drinking water So as well as when they do park they do go down into the restricted area I do have images Um what the vehicles go down into Oh no the people park and then they go down and they're in last year we had some people
go down and camp have fires on the restricted side So the that would be the left side between the but they can park on the right and they're walking down to the left So they're going down to the water which is your drinking water So whatever's going on I mean I know what I've seen So I know what I'm finding on
the side of the roads you know and these it's numerous And at this point it's again and then the sides of the roads which are narrow are getting broken are eroding the road It is again this is supposed to be the wershed This is supposed to be protected This is supposed to be all of that on top of it all So I'm worried about children of
course That's what this all started with But this is all the same everything It's all in a big umbrella under that So I mean between And then the parking at the gate Yeah Are there any photos you'd like us to You can have it all Yeah I mean again
this is I'll bring it up to you Sorry So again right there centered my child walking across the street There's everything I collect cuz I clean that half that quarter of a mile all the time Lovely uh
needles And this is my beautiful one at the fire lane that everyone parks at and hides And look at the nice last thing in the middle left with in front of the far nice condoms And that's all fire lane That is a fire lane So again and Meridian has fire lane
Yeah Three No parking signs redundancy or right to not block that fire lane So that's all I'm saying Yeah Does anyone else want to speak on this or I knew we had no we had no Yeah No we had no lights Um I know the lights did come
back They are concerned that some of the lights did not come back especially the ones in front of our house and it was right in front of theirs because they were at the street level Yeah They replaced they replaced the telephone poles and uh there's one light there that right at the corner of my property that never got replaced So again we're
in the dark It's the woods It's dark Yeah it's still down Well they have they have they have lights every three poles Every two to every Yeah it's every three They have it up there Well now this has got like one here and then it's six poles before you get another light
And that's from the house before mine is a light And then it's like two not not my house the next house at the end of their property there's another light That whole section is nothing Right Yeah Okay Well let's start
breaking down some of your issues over here I'm going to do my best to compass or address everything you brought up First and foremost um the video is going to be I know a sign of science It'll definitely um the well is going to be I know it signs a
sign It'll definitely um the Well even if there was Let me break it down slower Um there is already no parking in front of those fire gates That is already illegal Just because you can park on the roadway you can never block those fire gates So that right there obviously it
would require either proactive patrol for someone to go by and ticket it or I mean typically what happens even within the city um in the high dense residential areas someone calls and makes a complaint and obviously
an offic wasn't okay I'm sorry I was told without the sign even in those fire gates it seems to be well Oh no Okay I can dispel that Whoever told you um misinformed or just probably didn't know you uh those are always illegal You
cannot block those fire gates Those are for emergency vehicles to get down there if there was a rush fire or anything in the reservation That is already illegal So for that last one that you showed with the big picture in the middle that's already a problem You know what I mean oh yeah That's easily No I I
basically was able to take all my pictures of Blossom Road Indian Town of 190 photos and of of at least over a year and a half of the last phone That's what I I was able to kind of bring it down to And I put you know it is best presented I've talked with um a bunch of
the environmental guys well our two environmental guys regularly about this because they actually fall under um my tree in the department So I've been made aware of issues over there Um they have taken several pictures themselves of several vehicles parked along that strip
Um they even had a picture and spoke to a res I'm not sure if it's e anyone here but just last week they rolled up on one of the residents that was parked there just to make sure everything was good because someone was sitting in their vehicle and oh waiting for a drop off or
something and they start like yeah you know this can't people can't park here He was like well you're currently parked here waiting for drop off that would also encompass you and whoever that resident was was I'm the only one that parks there No one came to vain under the assumption that the no parking would
just be for people that don't live in the immediate area which obviously wouldn't be the case It would be no parking period Anybody who parks there if it was posted would be liable to a citation Um but again several pictures and everything that I've been provided and just looking at some of your
pictures it's still a travelable roadway opposed to like some of the inner city ones that I you know I'm sure you've seen and have witnessed or driven down your subway It's like wow this is this is Oh yeah I don't want to do it I drive a truck So
yeah Um so the mere parking on the side of the road obstructing the roadway to a safety degree I can't say that I would agree with that Would it be tight sure Would it be mirror to mirror absolutely Is it enough where it would be impassible no I mean it would be part
for the course with other major roles in the city No And again I just think it wasn't Again we're we're zoning but we're not city zoning We don't have the same zoning as we do out there We're we're R80 which means you have to have an acre over an acre and a half to be out there Yep So I feel like the roads
also don't qualify the same As well as we are pothole city out there So you also are navigating potholes ruining your struts ruining your car while dealing with all that as well And half of these cars are not local They're Rhode Island They are from not so again out of state And that brings me to
another point that I was going to bring up I know that strip that area right there especially on the right side that is um prime public land hunting if you will I know that's a very big hot spot within
our city within our area Can I now can I ask you a question please how come they open that up to hunting with all the houses that are there isn't there a regulation that they have to be so far away from the houses yep 500 ft But then I mean they can't be Oh yeah they are Absolutely That's actually really big
Have you confirmed oh yeah I've been back there As a matter of fact I because I have pictures of stands within we have state reports that that is incorrect So we're not going to touch on the printing right now I'm not saying that it's not incorrect because it certainly is correct I know people who have hunting I've never seen you back there They are
back there Yeah Hunting season's three months long Um but and again I'm just addressing everything all comprehensively Um to to the point of the out of state thing That's where I'm getting at with this And to your question yes there are regulations has to be within 500 ft Am I going to say
that every person who's gone back there hunting is it within that absolutely not Just like anybody who walks on the street isn't within 20 feet of the curb You know what I mean um absolutely I'm sure people are violating certain things and again unless people um but it's geometry right it's a triangle Yep So
let's be real We are the first two houses So when it comes to the hunting that's not really up for debate on the fact of the of the the roadway infractions So you have 150 for per each road Then you have to be 500 from each dwelling or building of use for a bow You guys have an ordinance for 825 for a
shotgun or or gun So there's no 825 because as a triangle you don't have the surface area as it widens we're still at the narrow part where it's not wide enough and I'm set back So and then the house on Indian Town the first house is there So again with what you're getting
at there is really nothing other than sit and pivot So it's a very small section of land that you can actually hunt in there with it's not it's ginormous actually It's not they have no s fork part Yeah exactly It is not that the fork part is not cuz I have all that
here as well Folks what I'm telling you is that it's not that people are hunting in that area We're not talking about the woods I'm talking about parking People park there walk down those fire trails And that is the No they're not actually They're actually not They're going right there because again like Michael Vasia
has said in his original email which I have here which went to Stephanie went to the board which only CCD me He said there is not warranted or needed because they were granted money The city gave money so whichever to make two parking lots down the road so to get people off
the roadways to not erode the road and to do such things Sure So we're just going to let that in those parking lots for what money for what and where did that money go but that's my point So again Michaelia is who got me here in the first place I that that's all I got
to say Mike said it right here As you know this is the Wataba reservation area and public access is allowed in the forest east of Blossom Road Parking is not recommended or even necessary on the shoulders along Blossom Road There are parking lots on both blossom and Indiantown roads as well as other options down
So again that that is the forester that is just my child's first one to be back at diamond the safety for children That's what even if you want to touch on the honey I was also missing each other that nothing at all Officer do I was also missing each other
that nothing at all Officer Da I was also told that the GPS that hunters use that it doesn't get like her shed Your shed don't go by um buildings They go by property lines No they don't
They don't They absolutely do I I've hunted Sergeant they show property lines not buildings I mean they'll show overhead view and it'll show the Can you explain why we have one of Fall River's finest hunting 300 ft from my property line though because he used Can I explain
that yeah One of Fall River's finest The state EPO had to have moved Okay I don't know why they did that There's an ordinance I think you do know Why would I know why would I know okay this is getting crazy I don't know
I mean you have to make a statement Why would I know why you're a fellow cop what does that mean that when we're at roll call we defrag Hey where you going to be hunting just so I know whenever asked about it Let's get back to the complaint That's why we didn't bring up hunting We brought up hunting We didn't
bring up I explained to you why I said the word hunting Yes Okay Okay Yes I mean are we good on this yes Yeah Well again you brought it up in January when we weren't here when out of state plates were not here I brought up what in January You said it go back to the YouTube of and you said it that every
time I was out there and there's hunters always parked off to the road when I ever brought up hunting and you had not yet met us So you brought up because that was the only people I was made aware of that were parking there at the time Not if you went by our emails the actual correspond to the traffic department That's why he said that email I was never CC on it right we never met
so I wasn't I don't know This is a traffic department You guys should be all talking I don't know Right I don't know I came to the traffic department with what I sent in And Mike it had nothing about hunting and you did bring it up then And you're saying today that you only brought it up now because of the out of state plates Do the board members have any questions about
prohibited parking no Okay Good Just wanted to make go As far as the safety when it comes to the children coming down the street that's what I'm worried about Can you just reiterate on why it is a safety hazard for the kids walking down with their vehicle parking on the side of the road is it that they're walking in the street there's not room
There's no sidewalks out there They have to walk They have to walk in the street Cars fly by And the cars fly So now just devil's advocate Yeah There's no sidewalks They have to walk in the street They have to walk into the street Okay When you're walking in the street if there is no car park there there's no
sidewalks There is a part there where you can park but you go a little bit further down There is absolutely no sidewalk and it goes up from the side of the road up They have to walk in the road So if they're walking to the side of the road and there's a car park they now have to go around it which they are in the middle of the road at this point Walk in the middle of the road So that
would be a safety issue there And then it was my concerning of the fact of the people who are parking are not the bird watchers It's not it's not it's not the hikers because they're not They are going to the where they're supposed to where they go for their hiking trails or if they do park they do walk their dog down that way and or back You know what
I'm saying so that is the problem for the children That is a safety issue people congregating in an area and they're doing an illegal activity no matter which way it is and then who's watching to see God forbid and again this is I'm the first person for the child and I'm speaking for everyone else that'll be in that area for the children at that point that anyone else that's
sitting there thinking of any other idea with a child walking down the road and starts learning the routine you know of that too it's in the woods who's going to be a witness there's no cameras there's nothing there's no other houses it is stock woods and then up until December stumble street lights came back because it was not in street lights when
I last came here and talked because again they were changing the polls understandably so they had them down Is this um on both times of the day or is it more prevalent for I have pictures I have 5 a.m I have 5:00 a.m I have drop off It doesn't matter Last the last few Fridays in a row there's been two to
three different vehicles that have been parking the fire lane Two men just sitting in it in the fire lane together Whatever whether whatever no I know and I brought that to an attention to an officer So apparently I'm being told it was not without signs So seems like the same offices are
telling we always defrag amongst each other and agree to allow people in one picture Do you know what I mean no I just wanted to I obviously they're they're upset because of the uh what goes on out there and I know you guys are doing the best you can Is there any
kind of like um if they can't have no parking signs up there can they have maybe like a flashing kind of like traffic where I don't know say some kind of there's some something for them that they can Yeah Uh that they can have We have I mean everyone's heard the term
you know 100 ways to skin the cat if you will and I'm not saying that there's no uh to a no parking or anything We have to take in all the concerns and everything This is the first comprehensive meeting with all the complaints that you know this couple has brought forward uh for me to hear it all and make my recommendation on As you
guys are aware watch the meetings I don't vote on this I make my recommendation from a public safety standpoint and the board votes on it Um but even if it was to be a no to no parking there are other things that could absolutely be done Um and as far as just blanketly saying no parking the
only reason why things are told no parking or you know um distances are changed and things like that because no matter where you are in the woods or in the middle of the city parking is always an issue for Fall
River It's it's real estate and it's finite It's a hot commodity So unless there's an articulable reason right under the safety guys to block off an area it's not going to be at least my recommendation He don't want me walking
to the fork Okay that's he gets nervous about it because of how much it's changed out there Do you know what I mean when I go to there he's like you know but I'm like I do a kid and I don't want to drive every time Like I want it's nice I want to get my my steps in you know there actually used to be a sign out there at the fort that said no through traffic and ever since they took
that down it's been nothing but problems Yeah I know that that they're making that more accessible because they just like the causeway area So people are going through from one way and out the other end It is certainly becoming uh more highly traveled and again that's what my only concern would have been as
far as the finite real estate aspect of it is if more people start to go that way or they end up trying to develop anything over there and now we've taken away some of those parking things But again what I base my recommendation on is for safety Now we talked about the
kids when they're walking down there Yes there's no curbs They're walking on the edge of the grass or the roadway out If there's a car where do they go well they can't walk into the trees They have to go around the car which is putting them more into the roadway That certainly falls under safety Mhm
Fortunately as illegal and uncomfortable and all this other thing that I would agree with you the fact that people are there doing stuff that's illegal um drugs maybe they're having relations and all that
stuff That's an uncomfortable and unsightly thing that we would have to address other ways Just to say well this is a safety thing for people walking down the street would be harder than the children thing walking down and having to walk into traffic The problem with that like even even to the perspective of saying okay so what you would do I'd
call what the police department to have that come in You also have to figure out the same thing is in a real emergency call it takes everyone 20 minutes to 30 minutes to get out to our area Well I've seen it firsthand Absolutely So when you call for something about parking it's two hours later it's not going to get
fixed you know And again yes we have there's only two on right now Whether there is more coming and hopefully they stay because we know what happens with that Um it doesn't mean there's only one on at the time in one truck and it doesn't mean they're not down in Copa Cup or if it's at that exact time when they're on
or not at shift change because again bus time in the afternoon it is shift change that that day one's going So and and again there's no one ever at the 550 at that time in the morning So again it's just perspective of that It's like I know and I when I asked for help when I
asked for help to the local EPO I was told to talk to the forester talked to the forester got told I'm writing an email to traffic that's why I'm here true I'm sorry but it's like we're having an issue and I'm worried about children's safety and I think that's the wor how many children come off the bare so between that and our houses which is
the first there is four there right now currently my son's the first because he's the oldest right now there is still three more houses down that are in middle school that could be going to Diamond after that That when diamond's that corner and has been forever I mean he took it and everyone else So that's
where that fourth area becomes into play That is the diamond bus stop area Has been for well 20 years now you know but that's the thing you know and it shouldn't be a problem But again even if these cars are parked they're parked There's guys sitting in the car
and they're watching and you and I've had it before for years I didn't come down to meet you guys but I'm at the bottom of my driveway and they're just sitting in their car over there and you can see them and they're watching the bus stop You start worrying as a parent about other things as well you know and I there's boys girls little it doesn't matter you know but they come to the bus
stop the kids are waiting at the bottom of the street of our driveways at the street you know Do you guys ever call the police and give them their license plate numbers so you I've given plates I've given plates over and that's when I've been told some mass but it's Marshfield What What are they doing here but but they weren't there because again
you're not going to get anyone That's my only other point of concern Am I getting help when I need if I needed it really that's what I'm scared about is what happens if someone is sketchy and grabs a kid Something happens A kid gets hurt I'm not getting help We
still pay the same taxes and I get it We're out further out but this city even if you can get to me fast it's still going to be a good 20 minutes because I can't get to Sylvia until 20 minutes because I can't go the back roads there And I I absolutely understand that and I agree I've seen it firsthand how long um response times can take over the day And
that's even with blue lights overnight with no traffic It is geographically it's it's kind of a horror show And let's be real If I say there's someone parked in a fire lane that's not taking precedent over Way worse in the city right now And I understand that Very true That's why I'm not going to wave services for that But I you also need to
understand and this is the point I was just going to make Sorry Um you make that phone call and say that someone's parked where there's no parking It's not going to expedite the call You are literally and again I am not downplaying this at all So please don't take it that way I'm doing what I was told to do I am
not downplaying this at all For argument sake though I just I hope all the residents in the area and those of you that came to speak on this and there's some that were supposed to write a letter Their kids are on that bus and they're worried too Yeah I actually got some this is in no way shape or form
in my opinion going to solve any of these issues what it will do or has the propensity of doing by design is help curb it when officers are there um hopefully with more EPOS like she was
talking about um and officers that can get out there and should be doing out there and doing regular traffic enforcement I know um from the last few months there was a big uh issue with speeding We had the speed trailer out there on the other side which we never called Same thing we have and we have an
autistic child that that is a grandchild that comes over and that's I'm saying all that to say this I just don't want you guys having the misconception that boom these are up No one's going to be parking there Obviously it will have no sway And firstly I just don't want you
guys thinking that oh now we call and a cop appears on the roadway How I look at it this way we're not tied with the bigger issue at hand I was told this was the first hopeful let's see if this helps Let's see if this helps make a lot
of decisions based on this That's what I was told by EPO I was told and yes that's going to make my job easier because again I can't necessarily do certain things when they park because they could be doing the hiking I don't know So I have to be left alone But if there now there's a sign there I can either ticket it or I don't know about
to I don't know The hope was that it would deter people to not and again let's be real if it's someone it's illegal they're not going to do it But if it's there and then the cop does show up or rolls up on it he now they have a right to approach it now is what I was told That's why they asked me to be the the billboard boy right now Yeah I don't
know Again there there's a lot of like inner that I think is is lost along the way but neither here nor there Um you call about a vehicle just under the guise of there's a suspicious vehicle parked on this street
Well city parking is legal We still have to resp And again I know I'll preemptively say it The response time certainly going to vary Officers still have to go and they have to interact with that vehicle Two things Is it legally parked is it registered is
insured okay Is there anything in plain view on their way I get it You're saying now oh well yep It's legally registered It's insured All this It's illegally parked Do you understand what the response is for that there'll be a parking ticket on the windshield It does not get that car
removed There is no interaction with the driver We're not going ever going to find out hey what were you doing in there things like that So again like you mentioned it is a deterrent and hopefully if you're there three nights a week parking there and taking a nature walk you're going to eventually be like
I'm tired of eating freaking parking tickets I go find somewhere else But for the oneoffs or ones that are spread out in between or ones that are like I'm gonna roll the dice and hopefully I don't get the parking ticket it it I just want to set real realistic expectations And the other thing is though usually people don't hike from
there because they go to the parking lots where nobody's ever anything in front of the houses because somebody will come out and say "Hey what the hell are you doing?" I've never seen anyone try to We've done that Yeah You know no one's anyone that's doing illegal stuff is not there There's
a change whether it's the hiking trails bringing people out there There's a change in the there's a change whether it's the hiking trails bringing people out there There's a change in the last few years I have lived there now with him We're at 16 years You've lived there
your whole life Y you know it So at this point it's like they all know that there's something that's changing a little bit And when I say it's just more of this was the theory of a deterrent that would make sense We're hoping that's all it was Now it's become this big fight for parking signs because I feel like I don't understand why it was
such a big issue to get it but yeah it was just over the request is right of the fork from the corner It was both sides of the fork on both Indian town and you don't even have to go that far because where they really can't pop I'm sorry We just need to confirm it for the record though I can't I'm not reading
the emails So if you you can reread that whole email So that's what I submitted originally When when we have this discussion we have to have it on record So it is on record what is said So if we're asking questions it's not because we don't have the information It's just for anyone who's watching on record they
know what the request is Signs would be looking to be needed from the intersection fork area is what it would be because that's a fork in the road on Blossom to up until just before the 1739 Blossom Road first house And then as well as on Indiantown intersection just before the first property which would be
at 292 Indian Town Road and that's the it's it's where it's all wooded It's just straight wooded intersection It's the narrow just before the houses It wouldn't affect anyone's houses when they if anything with that It's mainly that wooded area where Indian Townside is where they said they didn't see a stop sign And now we have a beautiful
new stop sign which made sense That always made sense And again I didn't know nor was I going to call It just kind of came in the midst of all this Um I still watch people roll right it ain't going to change the people that live there They're probably like "Oh nice." You know but you know again a sign's a sign like
a stop sign People are going to listen and then I'll go and listen So I looked for help for where I was worried about a safety and especially now that my kid has to go down there and this is the start of whoever's on Blossom going down and I know there's more teenagers up to come They're in middle school right now
And you know I would be worried Maybe no one else is So we have the wedge in the center right left fork We're only looking to box out parking on the wedge side on both directions up and to where
the residents Michaelia Michael had said on both sides of the road I understand what Michael said his concerns but again um as far as the original thing that I um mentioned before parking is um well the other side also the other side is
restricted land It's not allowed Yeah On both sides It's already posted now Well no It just says restricted It's that the sign through the property Yeah on the other sides on the Yeah it's got like restricted signs on the trees on all the p on all the poles rather on the
telephone poles because that's the Wataba reservation sides Yeah So yeah if it was just that side I mean technically yeah I don't see how you can Well I'm just trying I'm trying to get both sides of it in where I'm not um arbitrarily
taking up real estate And I mean you guys even admitted yourselves you know not everyone in that section is up to nefarious activities or you know whatever it is Um there are trails and that it is legal to be in there Um on
the right side off of the one and left side off the triangle right yes Um so to I don't want to make it inaccessible to people that have the right or ability to use that So if they were to park on one side which would be the wedge where I believe is where the bus is dropping off
and picking up It's right in the No it's straight right The picture is there It kind of has sense She parks right on Blossom It's right in the middle of the intersection The heart of the intersection Yeah Yeah It's And she's actually rolled up higher there than she usually does Trying to think with that one it would
address the safety aspect of the children having to walk around a car completely block have that lane You know what I'm saying um let me ask you this since you're here voicing your concerns
At this point I would say I'd be inclined to make that recommendation Just my recommendation to the board Would that be palatable or is that still you want the whole thing and the reasons
are something that wasn't discussed yet and I think too like what you just said that's a probably a good start I think you know try and see how that works out maybe like later I mean you you mentioned that before and I just like to double down on it Many decisions have
come from this panel where it was like I hear your ask we're going to be one two steps below Try it If this still in fact is a documentable issue we can always go back and revisit it Um and I hope you guys understand the the
the parking I part of this board which is huge point of contention is back um is parking taking up the real estate Um I have to feather that line between yep okay this is clearly a safety concern that needs addressing but this side would this negate this or
satisfy the safety aspect while still maintaining public parking That's why I'm kind of at that recommendation right now It's like I I will say it because I I walk with a stroller So I have the little one So I walk with the wagon and the moment there is a car parked I have to go into the middle of the road and then there is no
car that makes that's and then and then there's a car coming this way or then I have to watch behind me and it and then that it does become it and believe it or not it is busier than you expect because I only go out there for five it takes me five minutes five and I wait five minutes I go pretty much on time and back and in 15 minutes I can have that many interactions Yeah Is there anything
else you guys would like to add that you haven't discussed yet no sir No absolutely not All right Um like like I just said that's going to be my recommendation but it's open for what you guys like If there's any questions please ask I have a
recommendation that we all meet in that area We all as our committee go and see because I don't know what it looks like there Maybe if we all go and check it out and decide what can be done from there Lieutenant I think you have this
right but I think we just just go and just just talk talk it out out there see what's best and go from there All right I just don't want to um delay this any further As you know she stated she's been working on this since the end of
last year Um do we have any recommendation that after an on-site visit depending on which way it goes what you would like to see done forth with mhm So would that
be basically step for you if during an on-site visit which is scheduled a week two weeks from now whatever it is did these um board members have the ability to make a recommendation vote on it right then and there and enact it or would it still have to pen for the following month it would have depend for the following month We have to make a
decision tonight to do so Well you got vacation with the kids now They're not going to be And that way we can nail it down Yeah I agree I I think we should all meet there and that way we can nail it down Yeah I agree I I think we should all meet there and that way we can nail
it down Um I'm in agree I'm in agreement with your suggestion Yeah but um because I've met you there Charlie before Yeah I've talked to you right there I'm I'm familiar with everybody I'm familiar with everybody over there I was going to touch you a few times there I travel that Well you guys know but I want to
make sure that um everything's in the right in the right spot but yeah I second that motion Linda would you I would just ask that they uh you guys settle on a date this evening that you guys can all make it out there um to have this So we're not dragging this out
any further And I know I know the motion was made and second Is there a possibility where if they if it could get voted on to put the signs up and then go there and check it out and see how it's working or does that not work so even if it's approved here it doesn't go right up right away That has to go to
ordinance and council for approval and they don't do emergency preamble on prohibited parking So that's okay Yeah So yeah essentially with that be fine too I'm just I just want everybody to be happy
I'm going to make a motion to withdraw the um suggest the uh so we have to vote on it If you want you can vote it down and then that would be good for another motion Let's just stay with the u
stay with what how the uh visit you can make another motion Okay Stay within the rules on how they work So a motion was made It was seconded Y I'm going to call for a vote now A vote to have a uh meeting on site All in favor i was I
supposed to say I was supposed to say the opposite of I now The opposite of I'm with you If you do an on-site visit Y and it's decided to put up a sign You have to come back to a traffic board meeting the following
month Correct For approval of So it's the third Wednesday of the month So that will be on the 21st of May I believe Just want to No it would third would be the um May 21st May 21st Yep We have a
council meeting on the 13th You'll miss that Correct And the next council meeting won't be till the 27th Shut it down Which means there's got to be an ordinance committee meeting before that because it has to go to ordinance first Yeah If not in June we only have one meeting and one meeting in July Is there
a way to put up the signs and then go check it out they're not enforceable If the signs are up they are not enforceable because it's not an ordinance But it'll get to ordinance before If not you're not going to get to ordinance till June And it has to go to full counsel too to be enforceable right it's going to happen in June Ordinance I
have done If it's going to work we'll go with recess But if they put up the signs then you go and see if this isn't enough and we need to put more Either way we're looking at a two-month swing before any of this Signs could go up tomorrow if so voted on and they were able to get out
there and slap them in Right Not enforceable for at least the two month swing So we trying to get it done as fast as possible but it's just the the paper trail how it work Yeah exactly It's how it works So again
I just want to put it on record All in favor of an on-site meeting Any opposed two opposed Okay that motion is dead Is there another motion on the table make a motion to put the signs up
A motion It would be a motion to go ahead with no parking Yes From the wedge all the way out I think about a quarter mile to where the first residential a little a little before the first house is like it's basically where it's all wooded And we'll just mirror that on the
side Yeah Obviously this is what Indian town Are we doing both of them right now yeah Okay Yeah So the measurements are going to be a little bit further down Indian Town Road because the first house
starts as it'll be we can go what 100 yards short whatever it is 50 yards short of where that first resund whatever that is some room to park if they have to res So when we went down there we did about 80 feet and that was a little bit before that first gate
before your guys's property So before the first So the fire land that I'm talking about parking Exactly So that you already know that measurement So I didn't measure that stuff Yeah So we're looking at 80 ft Whatever it is on on the um So go 100 more residential side We're just going to mirror it on the inside Okay Because that inside one has
more space We don't need to go 100 feet and then 200 feet Whatever it is If it's 100 it's 100 We're going to box out that wedge Um no parking on the inside which would be the north and and the east east side of Boston Road Yes Um
no parking And that is that the motion motion That sounds good My mind All in favor i Any opposed there we go Um obviously Steph already alluded to the next steps This goes to ordinance
city council and all that It typically is and this is what we tell everybody we're looking at a 12week turnaround Yeah it'll help the next school year but at least we have something And this will go up Um again you just got to realize they don't automatically send signals
that people parking there You It's going to be still incumbent on the residents to call Um hopefully a lot of this gets curbed with more officers and they can more proactively be out there I'm not trying to make excuses for the lack of but it it certainly is what it is
Um so once it's there we'll have some teeth start slapping that up And if this alleviates some of the safety concerns as far as the children not being in the street or you pushing a stroller having to go around the street great If not by all means do another um let her come in
and we can You don't want to see me again i feel bad I won't try to meet you again Yeah we just want everybody September last year but you know I know I know I appreciate it I appreciate it Or no it's just it was the kids Thank you very much Thank you
All right Tabled handicap spaces from last month We have 544 North Underwood 544 North Underwood Once twice This was tabled already Is there a motion to deny motion to deny
Second Second by Charlie Any opposed seeing none Uh 116 March Street here Hello Uh guys just review that packet real quick and this will be a quick vote There are no issues with this Is there any questions from the board
motion to approve Second Second Any oppose seeing none All sets are about 12 weeks for that all to get done It'll be um posted at the closest um entrance to your address If I could mention when I moved in there was two spots for handicapped people Uh this is like two
years ago and someone must have moved out that was handicapped because a few months later one of the signs came down So now there's only one spot Like there used to be two handicap Yeah So they'll probably end up just putting that that right where it was Soon so because it was right in front of where the door is
Yep Thank you very much Absolutely All right Uh new requests Handicap parking We have 86 Hunter Street and All right just stand by Give us a second to review the packet Some of that
handicap handicap Yeah she's handicap It's a handicap It says it has a plaque but I don't It's a handicap plate The registration There you go Motion to approve The the address
is different Yeah that's because it's an old registration It's expired this year All right Motion Motion Seconded by Charlie Any opposed seeing none All set ma'am Thank you Yes ma'am
Same deal About 12 weeks Okay Thank you Uh 494 ridge That's the license or new license license Just checking Oh see it I see no issues here
Make a motion to approve Second Second by Natalie Any opposed seeing none All set 27 Mariam I don't think I've ever been there before I'm sure you know Rain Street Yeah I was
just Oh yeah Never mind I know the street That's not I see no issues with this packet Motion to approve Second Any opposed seeing none all set
33 quicken I know that address Now the thing with this anybody can look like handicap signs Anyone with a handicap plaque or plate yes But isn't there a way that you can just automatically put one on that street
because you know what I mean there's a lot of hand people there I assume you were here for the conversation I just had prior about how uh hot commodity parking is We can't just unfortunately start slapping them up Someone has to come in and petition
for a handicap spot in front of their residence Um it has to meet certain qualifications That's how the only way we get to put them up And when someone leaves like say you were to move out um eventually we would find out and it would be rescended It doesn't just stay there indefinitely But yeah so this is
not assigned to you It is not assigned to your address Is there there's handicap spaces in the parking lot correct Yeah but they're all they're always full And there's a big space in the back Nobody uses it It's all glass and they
won't place back there They don't I don't understand why they can't How how how big is that housing lot do they have enough to satisfy the requirements residents absolutely not But handicap spaces yes So for the size of the lot for the parking spaces they do So
because it's not a very large lot Does that fall you're saying your housing project Yes You have x amount which is the minimum but you're not accommodating how many So this pocket here who's that is that us to go to housing
or on that there's people They have spots right in their lot don't they they have a lot and they can walk perfectly fine like after today I'm going to be limping out just uh
so without getting into the whole detail of it any anybody that has a business or any kind of parking lot if their parking lot has x amount of cars they have to have so many handicap spots and they do have enough this property for however many hand however many parking spots
they have They have the minimum required of handicapped spots Um but they're not taken into account because of this size because of the size of the parking lot that they have Again they don't take into account how many handicapped residents are there Correct Which is dumb
Amen You said it You said it We can put it on the street but I think her issue is going if anybody parks in that spot you call Lieutenant Dart and you tell him he's a picture of him So he's going to come and move your car So let me ask you this may I inclined we do
offer we can give them a parking spot if approved but the only issue with that is how many handicap residents do live there they can park there and they have their placard up So here here's the deal I cannot um enforce the housing um
authority to add any more handicap spots on the property because then the next complaint would be well then I just lost a resident who's not disabled their handicap spot Everyone's supposed to be allowed um the same opportunity I understand Um I'm inclined to go ahead
and grant you one off street but like you mentioned before it would be valid to anybody who's handicapped That's still what you're looking for Yeah it's better than nothing type deal Perfect Um
so it's going to be a pretty distance for her to walk It's closer than two Yeah can talk about something for her and switch a person that can walk better than her Could housing help her out she
would have to deal with the housing authority on that Are you kidding me they don't help you out whatsoever Is there a waiting list to park in that parking lot or is it just a first come for handicap and 11 for Can they assign
handicap so if they add another one on property they're just going to lose one of the non handicap spots It's not going to make their lot any bigger Okay You know what I mean this is somebody I think that would be a priority would I mean to have to
accommodate You would think because I'm on oxygen myself but I Well what prevents you from parking in one of the three handicap spots that's what I mean They shouldn't have an assigned handicap spot Oh just because you never get there in time or they're always because they're assigned to people I didn't think they could have signed up Oh well
it is No I don't think they can Yes it is The ones that are on the property are in the parking lot that are signed See that look into You know what I That's true You can't assign I believe I I believe
it's true If that if Listen I if they want to do that I'll have more power to them problem is if they do that now every person that is handicapped has to be assigned a spot as well So they just kind of shot themselves in the foot if you will with that I'll walk into it
Yeah I think that'll be nice So we have a couple of different options here We can go ahead and agree to throw one up on public road for you but it's not going to be very it's still going to be a distance You're still going to have to travel Um and looking at the way the propertyy's set
up you're looking at right on street It will be right on street but in so definitely there used to be one right in front I remember just before you got into the parking lot So yeah the parking lot's right over here and the entrance is Yeah Yeah I mean it would be by where the
driveway is but that's still you still have the whole length of the of the property together Well I know But again but again the only concern is if another resident parks there there's nothing we can do That's the worst thing Yeah What are you going
to do my recommendation is we go ahead and give this spot up for now And if we can if Charlie you can follow up on that and get some sort of recommendation from we can always just resend it and take it down after Okay Is there a motion motion to approve Second Any opposed seeing
none we're going to have one put up on the end of that driveway Very good Thank you guys You are welcome Have a nice You too sweetheart Thank you You too Uh we only have rescending of handicap spots I'll read as follows Plane Street Chestnut Street Hunter Street Motion on
these rescended spots Yeah Motion on the three rescended spots Motion Motion Any opposed seeing none That concludes the meeting Thank you