##VIDEO ID:_QeRZFefmVc## [Music] all right good evening and welcome to the January 15th meeting of the F conservation commission this meeting is being held virtually via Zoom video conference and is also being broadcast by fctv on cable channel 9 as this meeting is being recorded by zoom and broadcast by fctv please be cognizant of what you say how you say it and what can be seen and heard in your background we have a full compliment of Commissioners tonight thank you all for your dedication and just as a reminder for commenting I'll call on each of you in turn so we're not tripping over each other and that all votes are done by roll calls so when I call your name please state your name and your vote for the record even if you've made the motion or the second to our public attendees anytime during this meeting you may enter any comments or questions via the chat function at the appropriate time they will be read into the record if you'd like to participate in the specific hearing let us know via the chat function then at the appropriate time I'll will call for public comment when you are selected you'll be moved into the hearing as a participant as such you must have your video enabled be succinct and respectful of others public comments will be limited to three minutes each uh we don't have any rdas tonight we're going to skip that for the benefit of anyone waiting for a particular hearing tonight so that you're not waiting unnecessarily 117 Little Neck bars road is expected to be continued so with that we'll get right to it first order business vote minutes January 8th 2025 anyone I read the and reviewed the minutes and i' move approval Mr chairman Patton bird second all right we have a motion in a second to accept the minutes as submitted questions or comments all right we're voting Betsy not gonna vote I wasn't there uh bir ey Courtney bird ey Matthews obstain Kevin o and I Mor Carlo hawky run fiscal ey Steve and I it is unanimous with that Quorum you have accepted the minutes of January 8th next up is a request for a continuance under a notice of intent first up Nordo Nissi II Jane nissie 117 Little Neck bars Road found with mass for permission to reconstruct a garage install a pool with patios construct a deck and rent station and install mitigation plantings Jen yes Mr chairman the applicant is requesting a continuance until April 23rd bird C move second all right we have a motion in a second to continue this until you said April 23rd yes all right questions or comments what are we continuing I ni 117 Little Neck bars Road Steve thank you and actually this one two three four this will be the fifth time is there something you want tell us um no I will ask Tim what the hold up is though next time I see him alrighty we're voting on the continuance Betsy fter R Courtney bird ey Matthews ey Kevin O'Brien I myy Carlo Hawk ey Ron jisi Steve I it is unanimous we have continue this until April 23d sorry about my voice I'm getting over a cold I'll try not to breathe on any of you though thank you next up is a request for a continuance under an enforcement order Jane sahagian 21 Davis Neck Road found with mass unpermitted vegetation removal installation of a patio and construction of a staircase within conservation jurisdiction uh I'm going to say J I'll take this one um uh they would like to continue the matter until January 22nd um birds so move and and the reason I believe they're out of town Courtney okay Bisal second all right we have a motion in a second to continue this matter until January 22nd uh we're voting on the continuance Betsy black filter ey Courtney M ey Matthews ey Kevin O'Brien I my car Hawks ey Ron Risco I Steve I it is unanimous we have continued this matter until January 22nd brings us to hearings under notice of intent all all hearings of the fou Conservation Commission are held simultaneously under the authorities of the Massachusetts Wetlands protection act and the F with Wetlands bylaw although a single decision of the commission is issued it represents a separate decision under each Authority and as a reminder public commenting is limited to three minutes so I encourage you to stay within the purview of this board which are the rules and regulations of the wetlands protection act and the fouth wetlands bylaw and how they protect aain to a particular application the chair reserves the right to stop any commenting that is disparaging or inconsequential to the [Music] hearing first up Paul F and Patricia a Hogan 112 racing Beach Avenue fou mass for permission to reconstruct a portion of the existing seaw wall Jen yes Mr chairman I've promoted Mike Corelli from felus engineering up to present his project good evening Mike good good evening Jen Mr Borelli you're up sir thank you Mr chairman members of the commission for the record Mike Borelli fouth engineering and I represent the applicant with your permission I'd like to share my screen sorry about that Mike yes sir I was trying to be quiet while I was coughing I assumed you were going to give me permission I represent the applicant Paul Hogan who owns the property at 112 racing Beach Avenue this uh property may be familiar to you there have been a couple of other projects in the past several years um most recently some invasiv management native planting that was done in and around the property the property has Frontage on Buzzard's Bay it faces almost du West it um has the house situated at the center of the lot um on the water there's a um Coastal Bank that includes um a decades old uh rip wrap so there's a coastal bank and then at the base of the bank is a narrow Coastal Beach and then sew of that is land under the ocean and land containing shellfish to the South is land owned by racing Beach Association you may remember a few years ago you uh issued a notif conditions that allowed for this um Calver to be reconstructed so that it could uh facilitate draining of the Wetland um area Upstream um we worked with mosquito control on that and that work was done and is working working well um I'm here tonight because um although the majority of this rip wrap is in good shape Mr Hogan has been um diligent in maintaining it he's submitted a couple of previous uh rdas to um some of the voids by hand that work had been done by um a local contractor Bill Armstrong through the years but there's one area on the very south end that I've shaded on this plan in Gray that's a bit unraveled and um it really can't be uh the voids can't really be chined it really needs to be uh rebuilt and reset um so we're proposing to do that a portion of the retman actually creeps onto the land of racing Beach Association so when we we are um repairing this and rebuilding it we're going to um steepen up the slope a little bit it's relatively flat so that the the toe stones will when rebuilt will be entirely on the land of Mr Hogan and and not on the land of racing Beach Association racing Beach Association um has given us permission for a construction access over their land between the culvert pipe and the work it's really the only viable access without causing significant disruption of uh vegetation on Mr Hogan's land we submitted a letter from the association that recognized that they reviewed the plan and that they were allowing access over their land to do this work there's a standard detail on the plan that um I will show over here that shows how the wall will be rebuilt in that area um I reviewed the staff report and there are a couple of comments um there was a question about who would be conducting the work I can't say for certain but I can say that we've met on site with Dale Briggs uh twice uh to go over the methodology and the best way to attack this and it's extremely likely it'll be Dale Briggs Mr Hogan I believe wants to hire Mr Briggs but he hasn't made it official yet so um I don't really recommend anyone else for this type of work because I don't know anyone that I um that I've have any experience with to do this kind of work um so I'm um encouraging that Dale Briggs to do this work as well but I can't you know say for absolute certainty [Music] um happy to have a pre-construction meeting that was mentioned um we had we labeled this area as dune on a previous plan um I I looked at it I I guess it is a dune it's not it's if it it I wouldn't argue it's not a dune so I'm happy to label this as a dune but it's a very low profile it's there's some Rosa rosza and a little bit of uh American Beach Grass we talked about uh onsite with uh Dale Briggs about protecting this with matting um and your staff also suggest that matting should be used we're certainly uh amenable to that and then of course it would be restored if there's any damage the matting my experience is with the matting and the um low pressure track machines crossing over this it might squash down some of the vegetation temporarily but it's pretty resilient and it would spring back if not of course it would be restored so we're happy to um and expect a condition like that I think that's it on the on the main points of the staff report and I think I'm done with my presentation and I'm happy to take questions thanks Mike Jen you're on mute we can't hear you Jen can you hear me now yes y okay um Mike square footage of the bank as well um oh yeah right we can note that yeah and then um some of Teresa's plantings that she has up there might get Disturbed so those would need to be redone if those were Disturbed I can note that on the plan I can submit a revised plan that has all this information yep perfect thank you that's all Mr chairman all right Alissa no comments thank you all right commissioner comments Betsy nice and short Mike no questions Courtney uh good job good presentation thank you questions all right I copy that Kevin H I add to the compliments no questions Mr chairman thank you Mor nice straightforward project thank you Ron has be someone Mike is that construction assess wide enough just look was pretty narrow um I'm G to measure it can't see in the dark here the the narrowest part is 16 feet right here and the equipment that will gain access is can easily get through a 16 foot wide um access and then it widens out okay so we talked about this with the Briggs as well thank you that's all right Steve I was just glad I got to walk around the entire property before I found the area that was being repaired no comments hopefully at Sunset full tour it was blowing too J is there anything in the public chat function please nothing in the public chat Mr chairman make MO motion to close the hearing take it under advisement second all right we have a motion in a second to close the hearing last call questions or comments all right we're voting to close the hearing Betsy what alter I Courtney ER I Matthews I Kevin O'Brien I my H hawky Ronco Steve I it is unanimous we have closed this hearing thank you Mike thank you all right next up Susan Moran trustee Charles E Moran qualified personal residence trust 402 wild hob Road p with mass for permission to replace an existing concrete bulkhead with a vinyl sheet piling and to conduct invasive species management and restoration and for the record I will recuse from commenting or voting Jen yes Mr chairman I have promoted well I Mike's still with us and I've also promoted Elaine Johnson from Ela your company is designed for outdoor living to present their project excellent Mr Boselli welcome back you're up sir thank you Mr chairman again for the record Mike Boselli fouth engineering I represent the applicant along with Elaine Johnson the pro with your permission I'd like to share my screen yes sir the the property in questions at 402 wild Harbor Road um it to gain access as a driveway a relatively long driveway off wild Harbor road that leads up to a a circular driveway at the house this property has Frontage on the inner harbor of wild Harbor and uh facing in like a Northeast Direction and then it also has uh additional Frontage uh facing south Southeast on the main body of uh wild Harbor there there have been other um applications in the past on this property not involving fouth engineering um but recently the Mor's retained us for this specific uh project before you tonight um I'm going to go to another plan that's get a little more detail this is a blow up of the area where we're proposing to rebuild a section of a con a vertical concrete wall um this existing wall which is licensed is showing um signs of failure on this section there's subsid behind it um at low tide we notice some some holes at the bottom of the wall so um this section is uh in need of replacement so the proposed project is to to remove the section shaded in tan color if you can see that basically from the existing walkway and deck axis from that point along to the angle point and then from the angle point this way back Inland into the property you can see in the background the existing return it's labeled damage concrete wall and you can see some rocks that were placed here as as an effort to try to mitigate the erosion what's happening is the tides are pulling out some of the spinal material through the holes in the bottom causing subsidence and um the tides are also attacking around the end of the wall and there's some erosion here there was an effort back I think in 2014 to do coer fiber RS here there was an old old uh uh plan that I was shared by your staff that showed that and um it's just not working so it's getting worse so we were uh hoping that we can obtain permission to do the repair and extend the return a bit uh no further seawood uh no closer to any Wetland resources in this case the Wetland resources include as you might expect uh land containing shellfish land under the ocean on at under wild Harbor um and then to the north is the is the is the tip of a salt marsh that goes further it goes further I'm going to the other plan now the tip of the Sal Marsh is here and it goes in a Northerly direction there's no salt marsh adjacent to the wall um this edge of salt msh is uh approximately 7 to eight feet from where we're proposing to drive the new sheet piling to replace the rocks and a part of the old wall that's here we located all the trees in the general area um I'll go back to the blowup plan now we inventoried all the trees um and we uh identified where we think the best point for Access is for the uh track mounted uh excavator that would come through and uh install the sheet piling there'd be uh installed using a vibratory hammer um you've seen this before I I I show a typical section there's tiebacks helical tiebacks and I I show how they're laid out under this this is a grass grassy area I show the edge of the clearing or tree line here and I've shaded I've shaded in a green area an area where we need to come through um for the construction access it's also um been uh invaded with invasive plant material um and that's where um Alan Johnson comes in and um has proposed a restoration area after we come in for the access that will include removing the invasives in this area and then replacement with um the native plant plants uh making reference to the staff report uh I should say that there are some issues and concerns raised by your staff that will require us to continue the hearing we ex intend to request a continuance uh in the staff report comments I'm about to go through will make it clear why we want to ask for our continuance uh the first question was how will the salt MH be protected during construction so the salt marsh in question is the tip of the salt marsh here that's about seven or eight feet away we we intend toh put lot large Stakes here with ribbons to flag it out there'd be a pre-construction meeting Ben Carson will be the contractor from Chip Schultz Marine we met him on site a couple of times um there's no concern on our part that there's any potential for the salt MH to be damaged because access comes through here the machine will be uh staged here and will drive in the sheet piling in this location but the salt marsh will certainly be pointed out and he it's already been reviewed with him and there's no need to go any further than exactly where the wall is proposed except for pulling out this one section of the existing wall that's actually more like five feet from that one point on the salt Mar so that'll be pulled out and the stones would be pulled out so we're not overly concerned we don't think there'll be any issue with uh impact to that salt marsh there's a c there's a comment about um a dog enclosure I'll go back to the bigger plan so you can see that there's a there's a fenced in dog enclosure over here that the the family has used for their dogs and yes um it was pointed out by staff that that area was not permitted so there's an expectation that that area must be uh abandon then restored uh I went through this with the owner on site uh several months ago and pointed out that that was going to become an issue and that it would have to be dealt with so that's the main reason we're requesting the continuent so we can come back with a plan for how that's going to be restored uh there's a couple questions um about the planting in the invasives management that are probably best left to um Elaine to comment on and uh with that I'm going to turn it over to her and um we're both here for questions all right good evening can you all hear me yes yes okay um thank you for um the invitation this evening I'd like to address um first of all this proposed planting for the area as Mike explained um it was determined that the easiest place to access um the property construct the bulkhead and to create a construction path for this large construction equipment um that's needed for that work that we would come in um off the driveway the lawn area and an existing planting that's there adjacent and parallel to an existing uh white picket fence and it was determined that we could remove uh two maybe three sections of that fence so that the um the width and the sizes of this large equipment will have access through that area down to the constr construction site um in order to do that we're going to have to remove I believe we specified two Cedars I will call them Juniper virginas uh two existing pine trees one Choke Cherry which is down near the lawn edge of the property um and it was common in an undetermined tree we weren't sure how to identify and I did identify it it's just a very large um willow tree um multi- stemmed multi-trunked sprawling basically in that area and that counted for the existing six total trees to be removed we did key on a couple of Nic looking Oaks that weren't totally enshrouded by Bittersweet and Honeysuckle and we can limb them up so that the trucks and the equipment will have access Under The Canopy um I specified in my plan to replace the trees we're removing with approximately with well seven seven uh Native uh trees a Tupelo an Acer ruum uh four Juniper virginas and an Amun here um and then there will be a shrub under story and if you show them the other plan Mike it's keyed there so you get a sense of uh the placement of these shrubs um three types of native viburnum Alex glabra inkberry of course filia Gardina uh Myra Come on Lane just call it Bayberry the aronia and the cthra on the Folia um as far as the invasives and Mike Will attest to this this area is so impenetrable I've never really seen such vigorous and healthy Honeysuckle and particularly um Bittersweet as a matter of fact there was one Pine that was so enshrouded by it right off the corner of that existing shed at first we thought it was some kind of deciduous tree with interesting berries it took us a while to figure out that the trunk of the pine actually was the support uh for the bitter suite and of course the tree was in total demise in addition to the bitter Suite um honeysuckle some Rosa multiflora obviously some poison ivy some uh bullvine smilex with tunder Flora um was almost impenetrable to get back in there to identify much of anything else um I would want make one comment with regards to the um site visit by the staff um I did a little research and I do understand there was I think an RDA back in 2014 to plant in that eroded area that Mike made comment to where those stones were and Bayberry was planted there I think in 2015 I wasn't involved with that at all but I do understand that because of the erosion that occurred maybe one or two of those plants actually survived so I can understand where the commission would want us to try once this revetment or this bulkhead is built and we can avoid some of that erosion that that area will become viable for another successive planting I think that's all I have to say questions Mr chairman before uh I just wanted to point out what we expect to do is uh request a continuance and then hopefully get staff out there and get into this a little more and come up with some solutions that we can bring back to you at a continued hearing to address staff's concerns as well as any of you might have tonight I still think it'd be prudent at this point to let everybody comment anyway oh yeah or ask questions so that when you come back you're hopefully you only have to come back once all right Jen you're on mute thank you Mr chairman um thank you for answering all the staff's questions we'd be happy to meet you out there both of you to discuss how we're going to restore the dog area and find room for additional Bay Berry that was required for the shed expansion Mike we just received uh at 6:02 this evening we received division of marine fisheries uh comments where they are putting a time or recommending a time of year restriction from May to July May 1st to July 31st on the project uh to project horseshoe grabs so um be prepared that's when we can't do work that's when you cannot do work yeah they would not want to do it then anyway yeah I kind of figured that much but you'll see that as a condition as recommended by the division of marine fisheries um and I think anything else will'll have to just save for when we're on site okay that's all I have Mr chairman all right Alissa thank you um yeah not much to add other than to let the commission know that I did find that plan I referenced in the staff comment so I sent it over to Mike um it's basically mitigation associated with the 98 order in 2014 RDA that is just previously located in that eroded area and is no longer there um so we'll figure out if that's a good place to put it back or find another location on the property um but we can discuss that on site she's always finding these plants I had to hunt for that one went to the source all right commissioner comments Courtney um Mike what's uh two two questions related one is um uh do you know what the substrate is where are you where you're going to drive these Lings and other words is it bony soil or is it pretty Sandy is it beep what is it it's we haven't done any borings um but my experience out here is it's a coar sand with some small Cobble nothing significant beyond that they there's no um that's based on doing like test holes for septic systems um so I have no knowledge of any Pete or anything like that I I do know that uh nearby the town on just on the other side of of the harbor did um you know they rebuilt the whole uh sheep pile uh bulkhead um in the same basic geology yeah okay okay that was that was a concern because this is all glacial outwash and it varies everywhere um what how deep you going with the PES well at the tallest point um oops excuse me am I sharing no okay we're proposing um to penetrate um um about 16 feet we're going to have a total sheet length of 24 they'll be at the highest point 8 foot maximum exposed and then twice as much driven into the ground or to refusal okay you've answer my question thank you all right Kevin no further no no questions Mr chair thank you all right now you're sharing I'll stop again all right Mory all right I'm not on mute um Mike on page two of your sheet you say um the structure is proposed to be constructed above mean high water um therefore no chapter 91's license is required is the mean isn't it touching mean Heim water yeah so yes um that's a little confusing so if you look I'm going to share again um if you look on the plan I'm going to tra mean high water is here it hits the wall and it runs along a portion of the wall and then it pops out here um so the part that we're the new part is above mean high water okay um the existing wall um has benefit of a chapter 91 license um it's this it's the craziest thing there's been an amazing accretion here against this wall to the point where this this bulkhead boats used to be able to tie alongside for whatever happens in the harbor I don't really know I'm not a custo geologist dredging whatever that's happen they've changed flow there's cleats on this bulkit the tie boats to but it's a beach so um so the whole thing did have a license this part is the only part in the title zone right now so that's what I was trying to make uh say when in that description well that's why I was kind of confused only when you you gave the um your introduction that there's been you know you tried to put the quy log and you're getting erosion there and I'm thinking well how could you if it wasn't touching the water how are you getting erosion erosion yeah that's where I was a little I was finding a little confusing yeah on the higher spring tides and Moon Tides it's flowing up above mean high water on this end okay um their bubbler by the way is very very aggressive on that Dock and it's blowing sand and tabid I mean it's making a lot of turbidity there they might want to they might have breaken the line or something I don't know they might want to look at that um on the U lcap plan where the 10inch oak is on Miss Johnson's plan where it is not on her plan it's on yours but in your restoration project I don't see any of the existing trees in that area you're restoring I just see all the new things you're putting on but I might be missing them we can make them clear I more clear as we can cite it you know I can see some on to the Northwest but I don't see any in your um your restoration area I don't see the Oaks I don't see actually I don't see anything just your new plant so I think you should put your trees in there so we know what the O if there's an overlap or that both plants are consistent with each other I I understand what you're saying LA on um the first plan which is um a basic overview and not just the planting plan of the new things um I tried to place as accurate as possible some of the larger trees that AB but this area um and they were like grayed out that yes those but I don't see any in the in the planting itself new trees in the area of restoration and there are existing trees in there am I correct there is one basically just one nice Oak that's going to because right I could just put that as a canopy tree um wherever it's located in that area um I didn't do it because you wouldn't be able to see the understory shrubs that are on that plan that would be under this large canopy of the oak tree but I can locate that for you yeah just so it's not being you're not planting too close to it as well and um I noticed that is it all going to be mulched in this area after you're done planting typically yes um typically we don't I like I would prefer leaf mulch which I know a lot of conservation um groups on the cape like very much we used it recently in harch but um we usually have some kind of um Meadow mixer um grass mix or something Oh you mean like the ground cover you can work staff on whatever they you but we do not have landscape mulch in rest areas problem do you like mulch I've used that as I said in harch and down in chadam and they tend to be favorable although it's not easy to find um I was able to get it delivered from Weston if you believe it or not W every landscaper in the town has a thousand pound billion tons and cubic yards of leaf mulch um just reach out to some of the local people they they have it chopped and oh okay that's you can discuss all that in the field that's we're getting oh sure y was there blue stone or was I went to three sites today was there blue stone mic along the top of that little cap the wooden cap because I didn't see it on your plan but I thought I saw it in the field um there was there was crushed there's a crushed stone um I'm going to share one more time there was like a crushed gravel uh Edge along the back that's my recollection um all right I forgot to take a picture but I thought and it like I said I went to three different sites and it could be any it could have been any one of them but if it's just Crush Stone that's great if it's blue stone we' have to um have mitigation for that and that was thank you and the cap is what 24 inches wide the new one um I'm Sharon still it's uh this this would be this cap is just uh it's like 12 inches it's just a cap off the you know so you don't see the uh the the sheet piling Z sheeting it just caps it off with Timber okay thank you all right more are you good all good thank you all right Ron I'm good thank you all right Steve I'm good thank you all right Betsy I'm also I'm also good all right J is there anything in the public chat function please um there's nothing in the public chat but there is um an attendee who has their hand raised uh Mr Mcall I will promote you to a panelist so you can address the board Mr Mcall would you like me if you would like me to promote you to a panelist can you please put it in the chat function or or um tell us why you have your hands rais please that's our that's our select board lay is on I I know that's I'm just trying I don't know why his hand is raised he's declining at this time to be promoted Mr chairman so I think I think we're all okay and his hand is taken down yep we're all set Mr chairman Jennifer Jennifer yes can I ask you one question um sure would it be you or Alyssa we meeting out at the Maran um if any both of us or Alyssa depending on when we're meeting I am uh I will be out of the office for towards the end of the month early next month okay I just want curious if you were taking a vacation I want to you know what it's like to coordinate more than one person no I I will be out of the office at the end of January in the first I think day of February we'll have to we'll we'll we'll coordinate something okay I'll set it up we have a date I I'm requesting February 12th for a continuation date oh we got plenty of time then Mike because I need to get submitted one week prior and time fls when you're having fun at the request of the applicant I'll make a motion to continue this to February 12th RIS second so all right we have a motion in a second to continue this hearing until February 12th last call questions or comments all right we're voting on the continuance Betsy gladfelter ey Courtney bir ey Kevin O'Brien I my Hawk ey Ron adisco I and Steve and I all right it is unanimous with this Quorum you have continue this until February schal thank you Mr belli thank you Miss Johnson thank you good night elain thank you Mike I'll put you back into attendees okay I'm Gonna Leave good night good night next up Edward and Ann Stern 449 CIT Road fouth mass for permission to upgrade the existing sewage Disposal system and for after the fact permission to install a shed and mitigation plantings Jen yes Mr chairman I am promoting Mark dib of Capen Islands engineering to um present his project evening you're up Sir uh good evening for the record Mark dib with Capen Islands engineering um representing the applicant at 449 sipa wet Road um with your permission I'll share my screen yes sir okay the project tonight is to um repair an existing septic system uh for a three-bedroom house as well as permit a uh shed that appears to be unpermitted on the property uh the property is situated um on the southwest side of uh caiset Road uh it's along flax Pond we've identified the resource areas um we have an inland bank and Associated uh found withth buffer zone a this green line and found with buffer zone B um so again we're proposing to replace an existing um Cesspool septic system with a new system that will um use the same outlet but will uh just pipe over to a septic tank that's proposed inside the existing pave driveway over to a leech field um that's essentially situated as far away as possible uh from the resource area just outside the fouth B buffer zone um and with in constraints of topography and things like that we've situated as far as way as we can um as well as this existing shed was deemed to be um unpermitted so we're proposing to keep the shed however um mitigate for it you'll see a mitigation table we're providing um 3 to one mitigation for that shed which has been proposed in this area of the site um I believe uh Chuck Roland from our office uh responded to any staff comments there were and um that's the main focus of the project again no changes to the house just a septic upgrade as well as um providing mitigation in order to keep the shed um I'd be happy to answer any questions thanks Mark Jen I think Mark answered all our questions we're just looking for the mitigation for the shed thank you Mark Alissa no comments thank you all right commissioner comments start with me because I can pretty simple project thanks Mark Kevin uh no comments Mr chairman thank you Mor no comments thank you good job fitting that mitigation area into that site that was very difficult I find it hard to believe that there's 372 square feet in that little area but crazy say so that's all thank you Steve no comments thank you let's see no comments thanks all right Courtney no comments good project J is there anything in the public chat function please nothing in the public chat Mr chairman then I'll make a motion to close the hearing and take it under advisement all right we have a motion in a second to close the hearing last call questions or comments we're voting to close the hearing Betsy glil R Courtney bir ey Matthews I Kevin O'Brien I more hawky Ron RIS is unanimous we have closed this hearing thank you Mark thank you thank you thank you Mark I'll put you back into attendees thank you all right next up our continued request for hearing under notice of intent first one been previously continued brings us to Chris Smith Clancy construction 318 SE foret Road fou mass for permission to raise ra a Ze an existing single family dwelling construct a new single family dwelling with an attached garage deck and patio and upgrade the existing sewage Disposal system Jen yes Mr chairman I am promoting Justin LaMore and Katrina I am going to probably mispronounced your last name corova cor Karina corov no worries thank you Kina um from strong tree engineering to present their project welcome thank you uh if you don't mind also John McGrath he is joining us uh with strong tree as well I do not see a John McGrath in our attendees all right I'll text him but um we would like him to speak uh if needed so um hopefully he does join thank you hi Jen can you hear me I can hear you Justin how are you Justin lamose strong tree engineering how's it going uh representing and Mr McGrath just sorry Justin Mr McGrath just joined us so I'm gonna promote him up great um with your permission can I share my screen yes sir okay let's see here okay so we have a fairly straightforward uh raise and replace of the existing dwelling on this project we have uh existing additions here on the left um simple wizet Road uh to the West we have our proposed conditions here on the right the lot is 1.3 Acres uh the Wetland here is shown in green to the north of the property um potentially an old cranberry bog um with a and we had a Coastal Bank which is shown here in Orange um in proposed we've pushed the house as far south away from the Wetland as possible while maintaining this access uh vehicle access to the garage this is the entrance to the garage um the driveway as you can see if you uh look at both ends is in the exact same footprint in existing and proposed we're actually removing a portion of the driveway which I'm circling right here that's gravel um the applicant is proposing to pave the driveway um which is the only increase in impervious for all the buffers we're actually reducing the impervious for all of the buffers on site with the retreat of the house by 18 ft and removal this patio area so impervious area for all buffers goes down with the exception of the Zone B the uh 50 to 100 uh Coastal Coastal Bank um in ter we also proposing a new septic system the uh sanitary absorption field is shown here uh new tank new debox it's the field itself is completely out of any buffer zones and it's actually has been reviewed by the Board of Health and it has been approved both existing and proposed are three bedroom dwellings so there's no increase in loads for septic uh we are proposing silk sock around the limit of work for road controls during construction um and so just to recap have for mitigation we're proposing an 18t Retreat um away from the Wetland for the house storm water improvements we have two roof drywells for the new house which the existing has nothing and we're also proposing a dryw for the driveway um that the driveway that's located in the buffer zone to uh collect and Infiltrate The groundwater um we are also removing an old cess pool which exists um it's right near the Wetland it's amazing they put a sess pool right near the wellin um we are also proposing native plantings there was a hopefully a landscape plan as part of your package mostly a residential uh landscape plan right now um five I think there's four three deciduous trees and then some Evergreens and um and then like I mentioned uh reduction in impervious over the site for all the buffers except for the Zone B the owner of the property um did want me to mention he was just appointed chief steward by the 300 committee Land Trust in Falmouth for Flume P Pond Conservation area which is directly across the street um and he will be doing maintenance on the pathways for the 300 committee um and it's a volunteer position so with that i' I'd like to just send it to John McGrath our uh John if you he he just wants to touch base on the wetlands and Coastal Bank if that's possible I will stop sharing thank you where is John you're up Mr McGrath we got you turn your video on please Mr McGrath if you have a video could you please turn it on and address the board yeah yes I can you hear me yes you can hear me okay I'm sorry might be having a little problem with my video um I'm John McGrath I work with storm tree St here we go yep just click the link do you have me on now yes okay uh I I'm a wetland science sen won scientist on a PWS with strong tree engineering back last July I went out to delineate the Wetland which is a okay I'm looking for that what are we doing can you hear me now yes I can hear you okay so I'm the Wetland scientist of record yes John you keep stopping what's the problem here so can you hear me now yes yes we have been able to hear you Mr McGrath all right I'm I apologize it's so I was out last summer to delineate the bordering vegetated Wetland it's a it's a form of cranberry bog area it's approximately uh two acres of land that falls over on the east side of the road um it's located it's it's located on the it's it's located north of the existing dwelling can't see it I there are I I I really don't know I'm trying to this is my first time on a zoom call and it's okay sir what are you trying to share are you trying to share a screen or you just trying to describe it to us just open the question want just open it the questions I wonder if the audio is delayed for him um need Mr chairman why don't you just uh go on to questions for right now all right then I'll turn it over to you Jen okay thank you um Justin um could you provide the mitigation calculations for us so our mitigation is based on like um increases and decreases in impervious surfaces so could you provide those calculations let me uh I can talk about the um the uh Coastal Bank issue that was brought up in the staff report uh Mr McGrath we typically in these meetings we don't interrupt other people talking if you don't mind have your chance I don't know what's going on if you can't hear us or or something's going on we'll come back with questions to you so please hang out a second Justin can you answer that question about the mitigation yep definitely yeah Jen um we did all the cels were done in AutoCAD we can we're happy to provide a PDF of those to you if that will help colored PDF basically it's a reduction in the 50ft Wetland the 100 foot Wetland buffer and then the ab50 coastal um which came out to be about 1682 so 1,682 the Zone B we're we're increasing the impervious by 1653 so it's a net reduction over the site in all the buffers but I'm happy to uh provide a PDF plan of that if that would be great colorcoded plan and the calculations just so we can confirm that Justin that would be great y we appreciate that no problem thank you yep thank you and I think Mr chairman um that's what we kind of need to to um confirm that um so we can you know confirm that for the board and offer any recommendation so we will need that so we will need a continuance to get those calculations um so that's all I have for right now thank youa um yes just a followup note um there were I think one or two trees between the top of the bank and the start of the BBW if you wouldn't mind just adding those to the plans so we have a accurate um view of the trees on site there were also a couple um and I can submit a photo if it's easier on site um sort of in that corner of the patio that just didn't appear to be shown on the plan um and one tree was at a pretty significant lean so it's probably worth taking him down to if you're going to have your patio there um so I can send a picture if it's helpful um I was just looking at all the trees and notice they weren't shown on the plane yep that that'd be great if you could send a picture and we'll uh we'll go out and shoot it uh survey it so no problem I'll make a note thank you uh hi Alyssa just jumping in uh if we could uh come up with the the number of trees uh I believe we might be at 9ine now so um we would like to add those to the Landscaping plan um so we'll try to connect with you uh to confirm a proper number so thank you for that perfect yeah and just as I noted to the commission um we did have an AR filed in the fall for some immediate Hazard trees sort of around the home during this time um obviously the lot is um fairly well treed but I just wanted to make a note in case the commission would like any restoration great thank you all right commissioner comments Mory um I did not get the landscape plan in my packet the mitigation stuff but that's fine now that it's going to be continued on look at and I have no other questions thank you all right Ron yeah I had some questions about the trees but I guess theist has covered it there was some trees taken down before we went out there last spring um I don't see them on the plan but uh I'm sure they'll be taken care of that's all thank you all right Steve I anything to add Mr chairman thank you for the opportunity all right Psy nothing to add thanks Courtney you're on mute Courtney go no questions sorry for the hitting the wrong button no worries Court Kevin well based on the discussion first off I'd like to confirm we're talking about 318 siple with it correct okay thanks fine I'm fine with a continuance all right Jen is there anything in the public chat function please nothing in the public chat Mr chairman all right Justin is anyone else on your team have anything to add at this point no I think we're good um if I could just address the the trees that were taken down were surveyed um I physically surveyed them myself they're just shown as a different uh Block it's like a stump block but as we go through the landscape plan we'll just make sure everything's shown and uh we can make it a little more uh visible all that would be appreciated thank you thank you all right we're looking for a date Justin how much time would you think you need to get us like that that AutoCAD file and the colorcoded just kind of make it clear for us yep it's all it's all completed so we'll just have to pretty it up a little bit um and then we'll just work on the landscape plan so um I would say Okay so we're not meeting on the 29th so uh continuance to February 5th would that work for you I think that sounds fine okay thank you thank you request to the applicant I'll make a motion to continue this to February 5th second wait wait February what February 5th five thank you thank you so much all right we have a motion and a second to continue this until February 5th last call questions comments all right we're voting on the continuance Betsy gladfelter ey Courtney ver ey Matthews Z Kevin O'Brien I Mor Hawks Ron RIS ey Steve n it is unanimous we have continued this until February 5th thank you all thank you very much have a good night give me a second Mr chairman to get everybody back in order okay okay he's going okay maybe give them a call and explain how the protocol works for Zoom meetings things a lot easier next up and Kim Capo biano 316 Edgewater Drive East East Alou mass for permission to raise RZ an existing single family dwelling and construct a new single family dwelling with a garage slab upgrade the existing sewage Disposal system and reconfigure the driveway garage laab with no garage or all right yes Mr chairman I've promoted Mark di from cap Islands engineering to present his project welcome back Mark Mr dib you're up Sir hello again and for the record Mark dib cap and Islands engineering with your permission I'm going to share my screen yes sir so this is a continued hearing um we had presented this project the raisin replace project at 316 Edgewater East um I believe we've um responded to staff comments and Commissioners concerns um those included we submitted updated architectural plans that did not include Breakaway panels on the lower level as well as coordinated um a couple of the sets of stairs between the site plan and the architectural plan um we did add the Falmouth Coastal Bank to the property uh to the plan which adjusted slightly the a Zone and B Zone as well as we the mitigation table uh no longer took credit for an existing shed that um was not permitted it was being proposed to be removed anyways but we were taking some credit for the existing structure in the partially in the A and B zone so that has been adjusted um mitigation Cals have been provided um it's still a net reduction in both the A and B um zones um as well as we've added a couple trees for replacement of um a couple trees in the B Zone um and uh I believe that is um where we're at at this point uh happy to answer any more questions that anybody might have thank you thanks Mark good Mark the only question I had is that tree you have by the the the septic is that g to be okay there if it's right on top of the septic like that is there any other place on the property we could put it I have a kind of shove between the house the septic and the road yeah I mean it it it'd be proposed to kind of be like a center piece and coming in that entrance um there um let me share my screen one more time it doesn't look like we have any vegetation between the house and the um V or some sort of yeah yeah uh I mean there there are two there's an existing pretty large Holly in the back back in an existing um 6in deciduous tree um you know that the applicant has this the back of this lot has been this way forever probably almost since the 70s I believe when this is built um uh they're just trying not to add a a tree in the back but you know if I do think you know there should be enough room to get that tree in somewhere in this front um but we' be happy to work with staff uh if we have to and then they're they're trying to there's a number of houses they're actually trying to be cognizant of the view from Neighbors down the street there's a corridor right through here that a number of houses have some views so they're also trying to avoid this area um but you know we'd be happy to to talk about the location just you know I would just be concerned that the tree eventually would damage the septic system the tree roots might damage the septic system that's what I was kind of yeah not only for the health of the tree which is but also for the health of the septic um we'll uh we'll provide two trees if that okay um and maybe you know one of them can be determined during construction that's fine thank you that's all I have Mr chairman thank you all right stop Shing all no comments thank you all right commissioner comments Ron oh mark thank you looks like you accomplished it I'm all set thanks all right Steve Steve you're on mute can't hear you mark Steve I'm not sure that's not better but I have no additional Thomas thank you for responding to the staff's request let's see thanks Mark it's great no questions all right Courtney um my only issue with the Tree near the septic exits me a heartrob it'll make the tree very happy because it'll grow very nicely uh with this Roots going right into the septic with all that nice nourishment but that's going to shorten the life of the uh a septic system which doesn't sound very practical in my mind um I would not put the tree there find another home for it all I'm doing trying to do is save the owner from himself and his additional expense when he has to redo the septic system down the road a lot sooner than he would normally no other questions Kevin it's had to follow up on that um no additional uh questions Mr chairman but uh you know maybe the guy you'd rather spend the money right Mory um you could always put a 40 mil um barrier roof area between the leech field and the tree and that would help um the only question I had um Mark is that I just went to the coastal water and the Board of Health meeting on Monday regarding the dite systems and a lot of guys are a lot of Engineers are starting to prepare um and put make it so a tank another tank can go in if necessary or some sort of n nitrogen treatment so just you might want to just let your client know that um that it's definitely coming down the the pike thank you all right Jen is there anything in the public chat function please nothing in the public chat function all right what are you thinking i' make a motion to close a hearing and take it under advisement second glad hter all right we have a motion in a second to close the hearing last call questions or comments all right we're voting to close the hearing Betsy Betsy you're on mute I'm on mute because you don't like me to be not on mute so I Courtney bird ey Matthews I Kevin O'Brien I Mor car Hawk Ron chisco ey Steve it is unanimous we have closed this hearing thank you Mr Deb thank you next up cdy coat trust trustee 187 Penzance Road fouth mass for permission to install restoration and mitigation plantings in accordance with mass D number 25- 4608 renovate an existing Boat House including roof alterations relocate mitigation plantings remove several dead and diseased trees and maintain an existing path Jen yes Mr chairman um Mr dib is still with us to present uh this project good evening again Mark dib with cape and Island engineering um on behalf of the applicant for 187 pen ants uh we had previously presented this project uh with your permission I'd like to share my screen yes sir okay so um since we initially presented um I believe we've actually had uh a couple site visits with staff um we've worked through some of the comments I'll just briefly go through those and um go to any qu additional questions the Commissioners might have um this is the property at 187 Penzance point it's the end property um I'm G to just showing the entire area I'll just describe uh the work out on the southern Point first and then go to the this um Westerly Point description real quick so I'm just going to move around to second here um so on the southernly point um we're providing mitigation for the few minor improvements this patio um a shed that's actually being relocated at out uh from the a Zone um so that's what this darker green is um the lighter green is areas of a previously approved Wilkinson ecological design project that we are going to see through uh to completion uh these two areas in green on the property um this is the believe we've kind of covered the boat house we've provided the architectural plans it's a previously existing licensed structure that um we've consulted with waterways and can be modified per the architectural plans without um needing to uh modify the license other than a minor modification um as we move over towards the West uh there's one additional area of mitigation and um so on the Westerly point I'm going to call this the Westerly Point uh there's a number of pine trees that are either dead or partially Infested by the the beetle infestation so we're trying to um by way of this project eradicate that infest station which um kind of gone back and forth but I we definitely agree with uh staff and US agree to to do our best attempt to eradicate that infestation from the pine trees by removing the pine trees in this area um we are proposing um eight uh a combination White Oak Red Oak Eastern red cedar and tup trees for that area along with some existing uh oak trees that are doing very well um as well as some understory um restoration uh with some plant species that we agreed on out at site um for that area and then the last remaining part of the project we going to um continue the monitoring these shrubs that were installed part of the Wilkinson plan in this area as well as um finish or or even start some invasives management and um follow through again with what is proposed on the Wilkinson plan for this area and even propose um three more trees um uh that the owner has um wanted to include into the pro proposal so I do believe after couple site visits and a number of um meetings with staff that we've um tried our best to answer questions and concerns from the staff with that I'd like to I'm going to stop sharing and answer any other questions thanks Mark Jen yes Mr chairman Mark to clarify did you just say three I thought it was six on that last area you were talking about did I just mishar you I thought it was six trees it's six if I said three I mean six okay okay um I don't think I have anything else to add Mr chairman um we've visited the site multiple times and um um this is what we have discussed on site and this plan accurate really reflects the discussions we had on site with cap and is's engineering and the homeowner excellent it also ties up like a lot of um old mitigation that was required right mark and um for you know walls that were built decades ago work that was done on the house so yeah nothing add all right Alissa no comments at this time thank you all right commissioner comments Steve you're on mute sir same result I don't have any comments thank thank you all right Betsy so I'm just wondering given that it's taken um this is this this a lot of past mitigation that's being dealt with and there's a lot of sort of cleanup from previous plans if we um require the mitigation to be put in before a building permit just throwing that out there so that we make sure that mitigation gets put in that's all that's all my and you don't have to comment Mark all right Courtney um yes I think that's not a bad idea the other thing is um I was out there when with Mori this afternoon and we we couldn't find the trees that were supposedly supposed to be taped off that were going to be removed that's just an observation unless you found the tape later on more um the other thing Mark and this has not really too much to do with a hearing but it's I'm trying to be a Good Samaritan would you put your map back up on the screen if you could share that please okay now zoom in on the boat house if you can go in more please go in more please okay now maybe one more magnification if you okay now there's an arrow that says limit of erosion control okay yeah at the top of that arrow is an 800 $ iPhone laying on the ground so if somebody's missing an iPhone from their trips out there they might want to go look there I was hesitant to move it because if somebody was missing it they wouldn't find it if I moved it thinking I was doing the right thing other than that I have no questions thank you did did you say it's still there or you have it it was there when I left about my and I left about the same time which is about 4:30 about 4:30 quarter 5 this afternoon okay thank you that's just laying on the ground face down camera up just look for the arrows right there yeah yeah thank you all right but I mean obviously it could have been from some anybody that isn't necessarily watching this Courtney gets an outboy all right other than that I have no questions and thus endeth my role is Good Samaritan I'll return to being the Grump please all right Mark thank you and your team for uh addressing all these issues thank the homeowner for for all the efforts uh we really do need to see the mitigation go in this time though it's been a while Kevin uh no further comments Mr T thank you Mor I agree with Betsy on the plantings for the before the building permit yeah Ron yeah it was a good job Mark going through all these meetings uh one question I had was going back to Cricket Lane and woodo was about disposing of the bamboo we did dispose of the contaminated pine trees with that Beetle um I don't know um hadn't been asked that question or thought thought about that question but we'll have the arborist in charge dispose of it properly I guess is my best we were just wondering where it properly is disposed off it just yeah you don't want to throw it somewhere else and start the contamination right Mak good point that's it thank you all right Jen is there anything in the public chat function please nothing in the public chat function I'll make a motion and close the hearing and take it under advisement bir second and also I'm wondering if Jen could find out for us what does happen with this kind of stuff I will thank you all right we have a motion in a second to close the hearing I think Mark has a question yeah thank you I could I ask one question um is given the time of year is there anything I I I you know it's a time of year that renovations to the boat house could take place versus plantings cannot take place for a couple months um wondering if there's anything that can be um potentially you know traded for or something to uh ensure that the plantings go in but that possibly some renovation works could work could happen to the boat house um just just only because of the the season um just be happy to entertain any kind of agreement that might be able to be made for that we can discuss it in deliberation Mark but don't get your hopes up okay good enough valid point well taken thank you all right anything else all right we're voting to close the hearing Betsy gladfelter ey Courtney bird ey Matthews ey Kevin O'Brien iy car Hawk ey Ron chis Steve and I it is unanimous we have closed this hearing Hallelujah thanks Mark thank you good night everybody thank you Mark good night night mark all right next up I request to amend an existing order of conditions first up Alex Conan fouth Heights real estate LLC 263 and 269 Grand Avenue Palou Mass request to amend the order of conditions for Mass D number 25- 4941 to reduce the size of the walkway enclosure and a construct a shed Jen yes Mr chairman bunker from BSS design is here to present his amended request y here I am uh for the record my name is Tom Bunker BSS design as Jen said and I'll get right to it if I can share my screen yes sir okay so start with the uh gole street view just to give you an idea if you're familiar I represent Alex con is the owner Shipwrecked among other properties in Falmouth that's the uh this uh restaurant uh by the Ballfield in the Heights you got your view of venard sound over there it's on the Central Park Side we uh had previously last year um had had an noi to add some enclosure I can get to that add some enclosures along this uh oops here along the the ramp right here uh to give some patrons uh some cover from the weather and protection from foul balls on the ball field and so that plan is right here where uh we have the building and this walkway uh was proposed in this location had a detail basically a 30 feet long covered area over the ramp by the door uh and there's also some enclosure in this uh doorway used to be a doorway hasn't been used as a doorway for a while this area right here is being enclosed so that was the plan which was approved um and get to the proposed Edition here so now that cover is being reduced substantially to this this little thing so it's 59 square feet where before was 162 square fet and in place of the cover that's being removed I want to add this shed which uh will have a uh little uh Cape Cod Motif going on here we got the lighthouse it is a um takeout shed so they have a kitchen in the restaurant of course and this will be where they do uh take out meals and snacks um this this side is the side facing the the ball field um so and that's going I can show you back on this it's going basically in the back here where there's a uh fence and uh dumpster and stuff at the moment now so that is the proposal we're just uh making that smaller there adding the shed and I will take that down and hope that was short and sweet enough I'll take questions oh by the way the the coverage is not increasing this is this is working a velocity flood zone limited to 200 square ft and it was under 200 the prior one and is still under under a 200 foot addition uh in the velocity flood zone all right Jen um thank you Tom no questions or comments Mr chairman all right ala none at this time thank you all right Tom I have a couple questions you're going to get rid of the dumpster where's it going uh but I'd have to look in the the plan I think there's room room to push it over that's not something I had studied um you know we ask odd questions it's this this is parking it's going oh that that's the old now that's you're not sharing so I'm not sharing right all right it's it's going it it can just slide back slide away from C Park have there there is room to just move it over and the shed is not attached to the building it's not attached it's anchored it has footings uh you know SAA tube or big foot footings but it's not attached to the building they'll be approval um his people are dealing with that I I have not done nothing about Board of Health okay all right commissioner comments and questions Betsy no questions could have been shorter could have been sweeter darn yeah Jamie hadn't said anything Courtney no questions all right Kevin no questions Mr chairman thank you myy just make note there's only five square feet left for their Ron no questions thank you Steve Steve you're mute no questions thank you all right Jen is there anything in the public chat function please nothing in the public chat Mr chairman make a motion to close the hearing and take it under advisement third second all right we have a motion to close a motion on a second to close the hearing last call questions or comments we're voting to close the hearing Betsy gladfelter ey Courtney ey Matthews I Kevin oan I Mor hawky R chis Steve p and I it is unanimous we have closed this hearing thank you Tom thank you thank you and good night good night Tom good night Tom night Tom all right next up John F and Judith B Randi 25 beckles Road fouth Mass request to amend the order of conditions for Mass D number 25- 4896 to shift the D proposed driveway Jen yes Mr chairman uh I promoted M belli fouth engineering to present his amended request thank you excellent Mr belli you're up sir thank you again Mr chairman members of the commission Mike belli fouth engineering representing the applicant with permission I'd like to share my screen yes sir you've previously reviewed this project under an issued an order of conditions to do house renovations um and the driveway uh subsequent to that was proposed for um um overflow parking because there's a very limited parking on the property so you previously reviewed um a plan for um alongside beckles Road parking um and it came with a condition that we uh submit a revised plan to shift the driveway further south uh in an effort to save um or prevent from having to be cut to um cedar trees so the original plan that you reviewed and approved with that condition uh is this plan so in trying to figure out the best way to do this and shift the driveway self um we discover covered that we can really only shift it a little bit South because across the street is a driveway that goes up a hill it's at an angle and cars back out of this very often and if we put a car right here it was a recipe for disaster so we shifted this a little bit Su and narrowed it up um and and made it so a car that's parked there wouldn't be in conflict with a car that might back out of this driveway and not pay attention and the net result of that is one Cedar can be saved and one cannot so in an effort to mitigate for that uh tree that's to be removed um in my opinion the two seeders are too close together anyway but they're both living and you know appear to be reasonably healthy um this this one would have to go it's in an outer buffer zone B to the top of Coastal Bank um but there's an opportunity on the property over here to plant some cedar trees if we take out some very overgrown uh use um this there's four 's in here that were probably planted when they were like Nursery stock 20 years ago and they turned into massive unruly uh use that aren't aren't native and they were probably originally proposed for uh screening um so we're hoping the to offset removing that cedar tree we could take out the use and there's a small amount of invasive starting to grow underneath we would would hope that we could just take the invasives out under the use and then plant in its place um four Cedars that would be scattered in a row about eight feet on Center and they would substitute for the use and they'd be native seedar trees um mitigating taking one out and putting four in its place um there was some concern when we met on site with Jen about this remaining Cedar and if this driveway would have any impact on that cedar I'm not an expert I don't believe so and the people I've spoken to don't think it'll be imp Ed but um if it if it's a concern there could be some condition of monitoring it for a few years to see if it's does to decline and if so um we feel like we mitigated it by adding four here just in case that one were to be in Decline but I'm I'm I really we really can't shift this driveway any further s and we've done everything we can to keep it as far away from the cedar tree as possible possible I think that sums it up I'm happy to take questions thanks Mike Jen Mike the use have already been removed I saw that note on the staff report I went there today that they're not removed they're still there I was there at like 1 o'clock today I went down there specifically after I got the staff report well Elissa went and did the reports maybe she can talk about that and you're going to remove the invasives you said there's some what there is some invasives underneath the use there's not a lot of invasives but whatever's when the 's are taken out there's a little bit of bitter Suite under there I think just in the area all the vines there's some Vines and a lot of vines over here we didn't really get into uh like a you know like a really comprehensive and basis Management on this bank it was just going to be in the area where we're taking out the use yeah you know I'm struggling with this one Mike I mean we're taking out what's what's left of any trees on really Cedars on that site um the bank is still being cut and I have no hope that the bank will stop being cut and now we're taking trees and we're just shoving them into a hole underneath the all these invasives if the board has been there you understand we're just we're just shoving it using it as screening it's really not going to do anything I don't have high hopes for it but but those are the only comments I have Mr chairman so where did that hole come from Mike because it wasn't there when we were out there I guess I don't know what you mean by whole because I went out there today and it's the same conditions that I recall from when we met on site the last time we were there okay maybe we should that's all I got Mr J well all what it is I'm happy to continue it and go look at it again if you want I'm not what it is the proposal is to remove the use and put the cedars in like put the Cedars you know against that property boundary right there um under the invasives near the invasives near the invasives on the bank I mean we discussed this in the field I just I just don't have high hopes for them that's all but that's okay that's the proposal that's the proposal that's what your client wants and if you would like if you think it's appropriate for a monitoring condition I mean so be yeah we'll probably put one in Mike to save that last Cedar okay or if you want to monitor the make sure that these Cedar are not invaded yeah I know it's just it's a tough place to put them I understand what you're up against so that's all Mr chairman all right ala thank you yeah just to clarify sorry about that mik I started my photos from the path I was kind of looking up because I knew that was where the invasives were so if you look on the photo that I attached I just saw this very large void area and I don't remember that has being have being there on yeah the property um I just remember it was so tight out there trying to find space for plants that I feel like I would have remembered this area so I just felt like they were already removed but um I didn't have the best reference picture so I might have just forgotten what the which ones were they use are they the really large ones on the right side of the picture that like darker plant going up yes I'm I'm happy to meet you on the site and show you okay um I just remember going out there with you and Janet I think it was the homeowner and just similar concerns um it's it's just so close to all those invasives and it's really just a a swap for coverage is really not a a gain here like to compensate for the tree um but that's up to the board thank you all right commissioner comments Courtney no comment Kevin no comments Mr chairman thank you Mory oh I'm not a bigan of use so I not you know having angst over removing the use but without the invasives properly managed I just have the same concern Chen and Alysa do that you know you just put five cedar trees in there and in three or four years they're swallowed up by the invasive so um I don't and I have I really don't have any problem with the cedar that's left um I work on jobs where Cedars are literally two or three feet off of driveways and they seem to thrive um it's more when chainsaws get near them that they don't do so well on the invasive management point just if if it if you want to me I'm happy to continue this hearing and maybe get a um a landscape contractor qualifi to do invasive management to go out and look and maybe do a protocol for the invasive Management in that area too I'm just not qualified to do it I was just trying to find a way to get this driveway and try to act show good faith for cutting the one cedar tree in the B zone or are you good yeah I'm sorry yes thank you wrong I'm all set thanks okay Steve I thought it was a weak reason for all this effort but if uh we're okay with the cedar placement I'm okay as long as we're not hurting the environment anymore I'm okay but it was just not much of a reason to to do all this all right py so I would just suggest saying that those cedar trees have to stay and if they're swallowed by invasives then the whole area has to be cleaned and planted with cedar trees again all right Jen is there anything in the public chat function please there's nothing in the public chat I just want to clarify what Betsy said Betsy said you mean the Cedars that Mike's proposing stay not the two not the one in the front that he needs to remove for the driveway correct correct the one that the one that stays in the front we we should watch it but I agree with Mor I mean you go up and down my street and their cedar trees right next to the to the street yeah perfect but but but I think all the cedar trees should be monitored and and especially the ones that are replacing the use if they get overgrown with invasives then that has to be cleared in the cedar trees new cedar trees have to go in okay Mike I think instead of continuing it and bringing in somebody will'll just you know maybe hire the the client can hire somebody to monitor it and if they need to remove the invasive to protect the trees we can work with you to permit that um to keep them free of invasiv I don't think we need to continue this that whole thing if you're GNA be chased in invasives you're G to be chasing them all down that entire bank and that's yeah it becomes a big much it becomes a really really big job I know that Raposa landscape manages the property um I'm sure that he would want to protect his investment and keep those invasives out of his new cedar trees I know that I can pass that along or you know anything to sort of demonstrate that he does his best not to have the invasives go back into the new cedar trees okay and if you could also pass along that we would really appreciate if they sto cutting that Coastal Bank that would be awesome great I will absolutely do that thanks Mike yeah because doing those things makes my job a lot more difficult at least there wasn't clearcut to the ground which happened which happened what 15 years ago all right what are we thinking I'll make a motion to close the hearing and take it under advisement all right second all right we have a motion in a second to close the hearing last call questions or comments we're voting to close the hearing Betsy alter I Courtney bir ey Matthews I Kevin O'Brien I Ronis ey Steve it is unanimous we have closed this hearing thanks Mike thanks Mike have a good night thank you you all too thanks night Mike good night all right next up requests for certificate of compliance Elizabeth Elizabeth D halava the Dogwood realy trust 69 barck Road Fass request for certificate of compliance for Mass D number 25- 4621 Jen yes Mr chairman there is a representative or a trustee a trustee of the estate that is requesting a certificate of compliance I'm going to be promoting a Margaret Carr okay but can you explain why it's coming before us yes I will um let me promote Miss Carr first and now I'm going to to share my screen to remind you of the project I downloaded this one second Mr chairman I'm just going to get this a little okay so you all received uh Fallon staff report M car just give me one more moment I'm going to share my screen so the board can see the project can you see all see that yes yep so there was an order of conditions issued um in 2021 to reconfigure the driveway add a cobble apron install reinforced Turf for additional parking install a catch Bing and leeching trench reconfigure some of the mitigation add additional 160 ft of mitigation construct reconstruct the stone brake water remove and install the lawn and replace the existing fence um one of the main reasons why staff cannot Grant compliance and why Miss Carr has requesting uh hearing is that this drainage system was not installed um as well as uh I believe there was a little Stone um Stone stoop uh Alissa is it on this side or the other side I think it's on this side it's on that side just a little North it connects to the um pathway through the Doom okay yep oh right here the little Stone Landing um appeared and um I don't believe and correct me if I'm wrong with Carr I don't believe they want to add any additional plants at this time so with the addition of this and no additional mitigation this will either have to be removed or mitigated for or the board can decide that no mitigation is required and then again it was um the um the noninstallment that was originally proposed do you want me to keep this up while miss Carr addresses the board Mr chairman or would you like me to take it down no that would be helpful thank you leave it up okay please thank you car you're up hello uh thank you for your time uh so I understand that you all have seen the photos that I sent with an earlier email and have visited the property okay so oh okay so there were discrepancies uh as as she's mentioned including that we had a sunfish in chairs in the seagrass we've removed those um there was a tree um in the upper uh Corner yeah where she's pointing and that died naturally we we never have touched it and it's in an an area that that nobody would go in anyway um so I'm hoping that that is not going to be a um a further consideration I it must have come from a bird dropping and um and there would be no way for us to maintain and guarantee the con continuing um life of a tree that we planted there um so to address the um that drainage feature um there really hasn't been a good explanation from between horoi soene um Landscape designer and the um uh cape and Islands engineering but they do as to why it wasn't then given to marzilli on the who was in installing the actual landscape plan um but they cape and Islands engineering um said agreed with Dan solene that we should just go ahead and apply for the certificate of compliance because the amount of water that could possibly be captured by that um drain is so negligible that um it it it just would not um the the environmental benefit if any uh would not um bear any resemblance to the cost of of tearing up the these two parking spaces so uh I and I hope the photos that I sent would give you a an idea of um in a in a heavy in a heavy rain maybe you'd get a cup of water or something I I don't even I don't even know there um but we hope that you will agree that it's negligible and that that it did make sense to apply for the certificate of compliance even though that hadn't been put in um and then the As for the stones on the side the the large stone that is um right at the tip of the boardwalk uh the intersection of the boardwalk and our rear deck there that was already there um and and I think I sent in that email a picture of when we put in the landing um we we had as part of an earlier project that had nothing to do with this landscape project which is what we were applying for the certificate of compliance for um those we we we moved a door so the landing moved from where it was that the previous landing stayed there but we added um another Landing that was done by inmen which had done the all the other um the the uh porch the blue stone porch and the and the stepping stones that were as there as part of the earlier project which we thought was all done um and so this was something that came up it was a big surprise um when it came up when your when the agent came to um to visit it so we thought we thought that whole earlier project was all done and in compliance and so um apparently when uh the predecessor to Cape and Islands engineering which was MC Holmes and McGrath when they submitted the application for this landscape project um they didn't reflect the those Stepping Stones um I don't know why they didn't have it in there and I can only guess that um it was during the pandemic and maybe they didn't actually come to the property or um I I just don't know but neither hesn and McGrath nor cape and Islands engineering even brought brought up those Stepping Stones until until it was brought to um our attention by um by the agent that came to look at the property so anyway uh our hope is that you will vote to approve our certificate of compliance um as it is without requiring further action on our part um and if there's anything I can address um beyond that I would be happy to all right thank you Jen you can stop sharing it for now please thank you recap Mr chairman we're missing the tree from the Dune the landing and the walkway was enlarged um and the drainage wasn't installed and that is why the um staff could not issue the certificate of compliance so as always I would recommend that um before issuing the certificate of compliance you visit the site um and we can continue this for a week or two to give the board the opportunity to visit the site and view the site conditions yourself especially at least the drainage part we're going to probably be pretty adamant that either the enlargement of the walkway um and Stones be removed or mitigated for um I don't think the staff feels strongly either way on the installation of the drainage okay Alissa um that pretty much covers everything uh what we can do is send you over the plan of reference the plan uh submitted as the asilt for the certificate of compliance if Fon hasn't done so already um in addition to our staff report and uh we'll kind of highlight those areas for you guys to look at and we did forward um your email Miss Carr I did see Fallon forward that with your pictures to the board so that has been done great thank you so basically it sounds like the the plan that was approved was not shared with the appropriate people that too simple a statement I don't think anybody is quite sure why the drainage wasn't installed there hasn't really been a the approved plan right correct you know so again miss car I have a question who did install that driveway was it Inman or was it um Dan seline's group or said M oh Missi okay sorry about that and were they provided the plan um Dan solene said that um the plan that he provided to marzili did not include that uh drainage thing that looks like a bar across the two parking spaces so that wasn't the approved plan there were two plans there was hes McGrath's plan and Dan's plan that's what happens when plans aren't consistent with one another right but it it's supposed to be as simple as the plan that gets approved by conservation right I mean well they're both that should be usually written into the order of conditions if they're two plans both plans are written into the order no so everything on those both those plans and if it's not consistent they should go back to the to Jen to ask which one to follow that's why it's so important to have the landscape plan mirror the engineered plan and just like tonight we saw one you know the trees were on one plan but they weren't on another plan the landscape plan and usually the landscape plan gets handed over to the landscape contractor and they don't even look at the engineered plan they just look at land right so that's probably where that fell through the cracks well I'm going to bring up Dan seline's plan right now see can we be given both of those plans if we're going to go out and look the old one and the new one absolutely thank you well that's why don't we just continue why don't we just move on and just plan to talk about this next week okay okay which property talking about hold 69 bar neck thank you I don't even have that one it's okay Kevin we'll get it to you thank you all right Courtney your hand off um do we have areas that show the existence of the walkway that's question yes so the walkway existed pre-existed the project yes it was re reconstructed and enlarged okay the second question I have is about the drainage um so reason I me if I'm wrong but the reason you put drywalls in is two to prevent a twofold one is to prevent erosion second thing is to contain and run off on the um yours you didn't install this in my mind the only way I would be willing to um approve as a commissioner the not installing those dryw would be you or your engine definitively know that the I know about anybody else but I can't hear Coury he's asking for a letter from the engineer stating for a fact that this is negligible and if it will by not installing it will it have an impact he's looking for written yeah documentation well they could offer that I think we have something in an email originally submitted um during staff's review view that did attempt to quantify the amount of water that would potentially leave the property um I don't have that up in front of me but I'm happy to find it and send it along to you and Courtney this isn't roof runoff or anything like this this is just the area of the driveway between the road and the Breakwater so there wouldn't be drywalls it was from the it was from the Breakwater to the road it was that small little area of driveway surface run off yeah yeah correct it was a box Trin was that French right right and it you know it all sounds Min minimalist but in the plan it was offered it was accepted here we are Cally there's a puddle out in front of it when it rains yes there is all right car are we gonna continue this then to go I I'd like I'd like to be able to address the the question about the puddle there's a depression in the road there and the so it's if there's maybe a cup or maybe two cups full of of water that goes into depression that's not all coming from the two parking spaces no I can some of that's from the road we yeah and the I understand that okay all right well somebody had just mentioned that there was a puddle there and so I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to reinforce that it is negligible um the the other thing I would like to mention is that um I've already I already paid 20 over $2,300 for just for the engineering company to submit this application for certification of compliance after it was de lined they sent me another bill for $800 just for talking about the with me and Dan solene about the findings and so considering that they have never talk to me about the the discrepancy in these Stepping Stones by the new door I I'm really reluctant to rack up more bills by this um engineering which is why I've come to speak to you as the as the property owner rather than um hiring them to come and and do so um so that I would part of my objective is to control what are already uh quite high costs here and we have made every effort to be in compliance from the very beginning um and we hired reputable people to to do that and so um I just I hope that you will take that into consideration when you are um thinking about what we must do to get across the finish line here um so uh and and I I I'm I would be happy to make an appointment with um Jennifer Lincoln or other staff to uh to go the site and and you know we we can pry out those those stones not the one that was already there because that was already for sure included in the um in any calculations um but if we if we pry them out by hand which we would have to do because it's there's there's um utilities and a and a waste pipe um in that area so uh I would just be I'd like to to figure out what we can do to get across the Finish Line without doing a whole big additional costly engineering um study and and so why don't you give us a chance to go out next week and can I should we make a motion can I make a motion yeah please make a motion to continue this hearing on 20 are we 21 Davis Neck Road no am I we're 69 barck 69 Barack road until next week second and if I could make what what what date do you have John Courtney stop I person cont somebody on this commission um I emphasize Courtney you haven't been called on what's that Jamie asked you to stop he hadn't called on you I asked if I could make a comment but he didn't he didn't yes all right you know what why don't you run the meeting I'll just sit back and watch this is getting old yeah Betsy made a motion who seconded it I seconded it then let's take the vot Jen what's the date January 22nd is that going enough time for you guys to give us the adequate material we will send it over to you tomorrow is that going to give the board enough time because if not if the board does not feel that that's enough time it's fine yeah the week is fine okay so we have a motion and a second this until next week the 22nd we're not talking about it anymore we're going to go look at it and then we'll talk about it all you want so we're voting on the continuance Betsy gladfelter I Courtney her I Matthews I Kevin O'Brien I Mory harlo hawky Ron chis Steve Pat I it is your nimous we've continued this until next week so we have the opportunity to go to the site and take a look for ourselves thank you Miss Carr thank you good night good night Miss Carr thank you Miss Carr Courtney please just pay attention to what you see in front of you you can ask to speak but wait till you're acknowledged just makes it harder please next up uh continued hearing under an enforcement order 21 Davis Neck Road has been previously continued next up is vote order conditions Philip I'm not sure I'm going to say this right I apologize SC sconos revocable trust of 2006 for pic casset Street f with mask and Alyssa for the record Betsy and I are not on the quorums for these um so Betsy you can take off if you want I would love to take off lovely to see everybody missed you last week see you later B good night that didn't sound very convincing I don't think she missed any of us I did I did it was true I thought about go all right Jen so for past street is um adding a couple additions on this was a very tricky one um basically they're building an addition above an existing deck which is 15 feet away from the edge of a very lowprofile bank with a salt marsh staff really is uncomfortable with allowing this to move forward just because I mean it is 15 ft from a very unstable Shoreline but it's over an existing deck the structure is there um I do also have concerns that they can do this under the 50% assessed value of the structure they are assuring us they can um they're adding two addition the block Foundation does not look great um it looks like there's rotting wood um at the the base of the house where the block Foundation is um but at this point I I don't know what we could do it is in a velocity Zone they will have to go to the building department with some you know calculations um it's just it's just tricky and you'll hear me talking about and using this particular project as an example as we're looking at our um our regulations in lens subject to Coastal storm Flowage because I I just truly as I stated at the at the hearing you may be able to do it under the RS and technically under the rags it's just not a smart thing to do and they're cutting their Marney um with the plan I have a real concern about the double Frost walls that they're proposing to support that addition that moves closer um and because both of those walls will prevent will be a solid wall against which ra you know wave action and so forth and so I would and I was going to bring it up in the meeting but I didn't get a chance to I think that what they need to do is put a footing in or a ground Beam at grade a grade beam and then support that structure on posts to allow for the free flow of water underneath there so I would that's a change that I would insist on in the in the um water conditions that would be pending of course the approval of the building department but I don't want to see a solid wall there I think that's it's just going to create a barrier that's going to make the situation worse you good yep myy um I've struggled with this one as well it meets our our rigs which makes it really difficult for denial it's not smart probably for the applicant to move forward in as far as our opinion um but I think probably the building department will have something some feedback for them and maybe they'll get get here it twice and they might rethink this but Jen am I correct it does meet our performance standards our regulations doesn't it I mean Courtney brings up a new point a good point removing that wall closer um so I think we could yeah two Frost walls are moving closer right now it's just on it's just on SAA tubes the deck so they're taking a portion of the house Jamie and the deck and they're making it all addition um so they have to support it with the two Frost walls this this particular project I mean the house is there it's pr70 I mean it's there it's existing it's been there forever but it really should be going up on pilings if they want to keep that structure and that location the structure really should be going up on pilings um but I guess that is going to be without stronger regulations on our end that is going to be up to the building department um but Courtney does bring up a good point about those two walls moving yeah moving closer and does that fall under your purview um it could fall under the board's purview I mean it's it's in your jurisdiction so it falls under your peria yeah I just think we should continue that it can't be solid walls there they got to be on a footing it's a grade and and in a post oh wa so if I can just say something as an an advis advisory type role I'm not on this quarum that you know the bilding Department's going to have some say in how that's constructed as far as whether it's open piles or or you know a frost wall or or whatever I mean I think for from our purview it's simply that you know it's a pre-existing piece that no Jen doesn't agree with me no it's a pre-existing deck there's no Frost wall there now right but the fact that the deck's preexisting gives them the right to to add to it and then structurally speaking you know the building Department's going to have some say um you know how the architecturals are done I'm just throwing that out there I'm not no I know I mean I think it's worth a it's a it's worth a a shot on our end I mean like I said it it's it's a pre-existing structure but this really should be going up on pilings I mean it's right there in the vzone the whole property is in the vzone it's 15 feet away from the shoreline I mean it's it's close it's real close it's uncomfortably close for me Mr chairman 15 feet but I think I would say I mean we could try no solid walls Coury I think if we you're right the building department is going to have to final say I think if we put it in our conditions and get that to the building department that that's our recommendation if the building department wants to overrule us then you know proog they can't though well they would have to they would have to come back to us they would have to come back to us because we wouldn't sign off on the building permit okay well I I mean I would put it in our conditions and'll cash it out with building CL but I feel strongly that we should allow that water to move through there without any in hindrance Mor if we make the condition and they appeal it my question is to you Jen we really did not discuss what Courtney is talking about putting beams in and pilings and that I recall we might have but no we didn't we didn't so we're kind of make I don't know I'm it's that just I mean that they will probably appeal if we say that so because we did not discuss it again all we can hope is that they listen to us in the building department I mean I think the whole building should go up on pilings but that's just my opinion go up Alissa uh nothing really to add other than and perhaps verbalizing from the commission that the cutting should stop on the salt marsh um I'm not sure if you guys wanted to see any restoration uh somebody else raised their hand so I don't have to call on Courtney again if they stop no I I um Mor raised this a good point um we did however I did in fact I brought it up I asked specifically what the structure of that wall was because I was concerned about it now I didn't go to the point of saying it should be on pilings but I it's that's why we have we can still condition it there's nothing to preclude that in my opinion I would then Mor let's put it in there then and if they appeal it they appeal it I mean that's the next course of action for them um and as far as the salt marsh um Alyssa is it to mitigate for The Cutting of the salt marsh or are we going to tell them stop cutting the salt marsh um at least to have them stop cutting because what would we ask for for them to mitigate just well there be no mitigation I was thinking or restoration restoration okay of the Sal yeah if they stop cutting it will it come back um I don't see why not you can just tell it's been the sumac kind of on the road side has been just cut over the years I'm sure if they leave that alone it'll rebound um The bakus Cutting looks very new um but it wasn't all the way to the ground it had a little bit of height I'm sure it will um bounce back I'm not sure quite how that works in the winter um but okay we we could let it just grow back because you did mention that so if there was something we wanted to put in there I would put it in but if just letting it see if it'll regenerate we'll see what happens and just to point out the obvious this is a classic example of why we require sexuals typically at least we have an idea what direction they're going in you know we did get some AR arals c i not CT Mr chairman we did get some architecturals that showed the interior because we wanted to see exactly what they were doing because all we had was this vague house renovation and I mean the assessed value of the structure isn't that much um the current structure I think is assessed at 141 so they only have like $7,000 to play with and to do all this work it was I'd really like to see that female worksheet and it goes to building yeah okay so so just to be clear you guys are gonna gonna have a motion in a second for which would be a positive motion to issue an order conditions so correct agree order condition should be issued you're going to vote for it and if not you don't just so with no solid walls the addition is going to be on Sona tubes and no uh to cease all cutting of the salt marsh and to allow the salt marsh particularly the bachus to grow back exactly what Jen said I'll will make a motion with those findings second all right you have a motion in a second on the table to issue an order of conditions last call questions comments input all right you're voting to issue an order of conditions Courtney I Kevin O'Brien I myoh Hawk ey Ronco ey Steve and n it is unanimous with this Quorum you have issued an order of conditions and a well thought out one I might add all right next Sarah Reber denla Reber Family Trust 13 Cricket Lane fouth Mass so this is nope you're up done okay this is a rais and rebuild with a extensive um invasive species uh removal and restoration project the site is covered covered in that skinny little bamboo um we went back and forth with Teresa and Tim from meeral engineering Teresa from Blue flax she'll be doing the her group will be doing the invasive species work um they they had originally a patio the patio was moving closer now they're just going to rehab the existing garage build the house do the invasive species work the problem is is they are moving closer into the Zone a of the Wetland by 10 square fet it's a good project I don't want to see us deny the project over that encroachment of 10 Square ft so I would recommend we request a revised plan um and um ask for a revised plan removing that 10 square foot portion of the house from moving closer to the Zone a overall it's a great project it's just it's it's tripping against that one Rag and that's an easy fix for them sound reasonable Courtney um there was a whole discussion about the bamboo and that there was also bamboo on the neighbor's property am I corrected correct so um if the neighbor isn't going to collaborate with them I'd like to see his condition that they put a a root barrier down okay it's already at least four feet down and that the in the plan yeah and that they clean the soil well so there aren't any fragments of bamboo root so I make a motion to accept our order as discussed bir second all right you have a motion in a second to issue an order of conditions as discussed um and that's removing the 10 square feet the okay y revised plan removing the 10 square feet Courtney a root barrier is already on the plan so that is already there okay um and it goes down four yep we'll make sure of that yeah all right any other input all right you're voting to issue an order of conditions Courtney bir ey Kevin O'Brien I my Hawks ey Ron Risco I Steve m i it is unanimous with this Quorum you have issued an order of [Music] conditions next up Dana Rhoden quet Harbor House Land Trust 71 quet Harbor Road Falmouth Mass Jen yes this is just the Reconstruction of the existing dock down there um really pretty straightforward I recommend approval move to accept the order of conditions is discussed risal second all right short and sweet I like it any input all right you're voting to issue an order of conditions Courtney bird I Kevin O'Brien I Mor Hawks ey Ron RIS Steve and I it is your with this quum you have issued an order of conditions next up Margaret stosh trustee stosh Family 2014 irrevocable trust 158 Westwood Road Falmouth Mass raise and rebuild installation of an infinity pool they're recusing the seaw wall they're took the regrading off the plan and they're saving the Cedars they're adding Cedars Bracken basically um addressed all of the staff's concerns and our staff report um the only thing I would say is they're doing the house before the wall they're going to have to stink that machine I think it's on the left left side of the house um they're going on the left side of the house and we're going to need a preconstruction um uh before that wall is redone and they are not to remove any vegetation until they are going to be doing the wall okay any other input all right make motion to accept the order as discussed second thir second all right you have a motion in a second to issue an order of conditions as discussed last call any input you're voting to issue an order of conditions Courtney I Kevin O'Brien I Mor Carlo Hawk Ron chis I Steve it is unanimous you have issued an order of conditions last motion who wants it Driscoll all right we have multiple motions multiple seconds to [Music] adjourn bird ey bir ey Matthew's eyin O'Brien I pa hawky jco ey Pon I it is unanimous we have a journ thank 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