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[Music] Okay, good evening and welcome to the September 24th, 2025 meeting of the Fment Conservation
Commission. Uh this meeting is being held virtually via the Zoom video conference and is also being broadcast by FCTV on cable channel 9. As this meeting is being recorded by Zoom and broadcast by FCTV, please be cognizant
of what you say, how you say it, and what can be seen and heard in your background. Um we have a full complement of commissioners tonight. Thank you all for your dedication. Um, I'd like to remind the commissioners that for the that for commenting, I will
call on each of you in turn. So, please refrain from speaking over each other. Also, all votes are done by roll call. So, when I call your name, please state your name and your vote for the record, even if you made the motion or second
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would like to participate in a particular hearing let us know via the chat function. Then at the appropriate time you will be prompted promoted into the hearing as a participant. When you are selected, uh you must have your video enabled and be
succinct, respectful of others. Public comments uh will be limited to 3 minutes each. Regarding RDAs under a request for determination of applicability, the applicant is asking the commission to determine if the provisions of the
Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act and or the F of Wetland bylaws apply to their proposed project. A negative determination is um is the provision or or yeah provision of the act and or the
bylaw do not apply. Therefore, the project may proceed as proposed. A positive determination means the provisions of the act and or the bylaw do in fact apply and or may require some conditions. Therefore, the project um
would require a notice of intent application. So, as an applicant, you uh want to hear a negative determination um for the benefit of anyone
waiting for a particular hearing tonight. And so that you are not waiting for waiting unnecessarily, the following hearings are expected to be continued. Uh we have let's
think we only had two, wasn't it, Jen? Well, we had two and then all the enforcement matters will be continued. The no only notice being continued is 110 Scranton, Mr. Chairman. Okay. Thank you, Jen. And then all of the enforcement matters
are being continued. Okay. So if any of those enforcement matters and those are um 15 Moses Road North Falmouth um 5 FA Road Falmouth 3 436 APC road
Mr. Chairman, those are RDAs. RDA. Sorry. It's okay. The continued enforcement matters will be 32 Scribna Drive, 15 Moses Road in North Phelmouth, 42 Scribnaka Drive, and 33 Oyster Shell. Thank you.
Not a problem. So, if you're here for those, they're being continued to another time. All right. So, the first item on the agenda this evening is other business. 168 Shore Street. Discuss and vote. Conservation
Commission support for conservation restriction. Jen. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I am promoting Cat Graphali up from the compact to um give a brief presentation to the board on this subject.
She'll be joining us now. Here we go. Good evening, commission members. I just want to thank you very much for taking the time to consider supporting this conservation restriction. Um, so for the
last 3 to four years, the 300 committee has been working with Martha Adams to place a conservation restriction on her beautiful property down on Shore Street. And it took a very long time, more time than I would have ever thought for the
state to approve this conservation restriction, but here we are. And so I am currently seeking your support of this conservation restriction so that I can then go to the select board and ask for their approval. Few highlights of
the property itself. We are putting 2.9 acres under protection permanently. It consists of some prime forest land. It's part of the Falmouth Village Historic District. There is also a portion of it that falls within the 100year special
flood hazard area. Protecting this property not only protects the resources on the land, but it does protect some community character as well. And so we're thrilled and honored that Miss Adams wanted to pursue this with the 300
committee and we're excited to protecting this parcel forever. I think you're on mute. Yeah, I am. Thank you very much, Katherine. Um, any questions for Katherine? Mr. Chairman, would you like me to bring
up just a quick GIS to give the board kind of an idea of where it is? Yes. Or C, do you have a a GIS rendition? I have it up right now. I can Hang on. I'm going to share my Where did my share screen thing go? Oh,
there we go. Share screen options. Can everybody see that? Not yet. There we go. Is it cat 168 Shore Street? Correct. That's correct. And then it also includes uh the parcel next door, the
0.49 acre parcel also belongs to Miss Adams and we're putting conservation restriction on that area as well. Excellent. Perfect. Okay. All right.
Everybody good with that? Questions or comments? And then um yes, Steve. Uh, I I think it's a beautiful parcel and I and I support it. It's just to maintain a little bit of open space and
what is probably our densest residential area. That's correct. And the homes that are on the property are will be maintained by the family as separate. Yes. As part of the conservation
restriction, we create an envelope around the building that allows the family to maintain whatever they need to do. Uh, utilities included, also the driveway area, but the rest of the property itself has restrictions where there won't be clear cutting. There will
be the, you know, maintaining of native vegetation and things like that. I'm quite sure you'll take care of all that. I was just curious because it's, you know, sort of not in the conservation normal venues, but thank you very much and I tend to
support this. Thank you. I think we're going to see a lot more of these private conservation restrictions in denser areas, but um Miss Adams has been a pleasure to work with, so it's great. All right. I'll be a motion to uh um
approve the cons conservation restriction on this property. No, Courtney, you're approving a letter of support to the I knew I said that. Uh a letter of support for the conservation restriction
recommendation. Okay, we have a motion and a second to uh support the letter um to the selectman. Um and I'm going to go ahead and call a role. Courtney Bird I Steve Patton I
Ron Briscoll I Ronnie I Dave Kent I Bill Duffy I and Robins is an I. So that is unanimous. Thank you much. I really appreciate your time. Have a good night.
Thank you Catherine. Yeah, you too. Thank you Cat. Have a good one. All right. Next up is about minutes. September 10th, 2025. Mr. Chairman, I review the minutes, including comments about me not being
able to vote on several items, and would move approval. Bird second. So, we have a motion and a second to accept the minutes of September 10th, 2025. Any other comments or questions? Hearing
none, I'll call a roll. Courtney I. Ron. Ronnie Bman I gave K I Bill Duffy I Robins is an I. Okay. September 17th,
2025. Mr. Chairman, I had my meetings wrong. Um but I did review this and I would move approval. Second. So we have a motion and a second to approve the September 17th meeting uh
minutes. Uh, any other comments, questions? Hearing none, I'll call a roll. Courtney Bird, I Steve B. I, Ron, I. Ronnie, Bman, I, Dave, I, Bill, Duffy, I,
and Robins is an I. Thank you. Unanimous on the September 17th minutes. Okay. Request for a continuence under an enforcement order. Joseph Marisola Trustee Joseph G. Marisola Revocable
Trust 2018 15 Moses Road found Mass unpermitted enclosure of a rinse station in a velocity zone. Jen. Yes, Mr. Chairman. The uh property owner is requesting a continuence uh till October 8th.
Bird shall move. Bris second. Any other comments or questions from commissioners? Yes. Yes. Go ahead, Dave. Uh Jan, can you just describe what's going on? This has been in front of us for a long time. It's Rashana.
Something as simple as that. Okay. Thank you. No problem. All right. And nothing else. I'm going to call a roll. Uh Courtney Bird. I Steve. Ron. Fiscal. I Johnny W I Dave
K I Bill Duffy I and Robins is an I. Okay, so unanimous then that's continued till October 8th. All right, request for determination of applicability.
Ben Carson WS Schultz Company 5 Road Falmouth for permission to conduct repairs on an existing pier. Jen, I'm sorry. Alisssa staff recommends a negative two under the state and bylaw resource area
boundaries are not confirmed. So move second. Okay, we have a motion in a second. Any other comments or questions on this RDA? Okay, hearing none, I will I don't see anything in the chat. Right, Jen?
Not see anything there. Nothing in the chat, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Um Okay, I'll call the role. Uh Court Bird I Steve Patton I Ron Escal I Ronnie Bman I Dave Pent I
Bill Duffy I and Robins is an I. It's unanimous to accept staff's recommendation. All right. Next is Peter J. and Jennifer Heron 436 APC Road found with mass
permission to construct public access steps onto a on an existing pier. Alissa staff recommends a negative two under the state and bylaw. Resource area boundaries are not confirmed. Bird move second.
Okay, we have a motion and a second. Um, any comments or questions from the commission? Nope. Jen, nothing in chat? Nope. We're all set. All right. So, I'm gonna call a roll. Courtney, I
Ron Briscoll I. Ronnie, Bowman, I Dave Bent. I Bill Duffy I and Robbins is an I. So, it's unanimous to accept staff's recommendation.
All right. Next up, sorry for the dog in the background. Okay. Phyllis E. Filalant. Filant nominee trust 97 all the lane found with
mass for permission to install a new title 5 sewage disposal system. Uh, Alyssa staff recommends a negative two under the state and bylaw. Resource area boundaries are not confirmed and this project solely takes place in an AE flood zone. Bird move second.
Okay. So, we have a motion, a second to accept staff's recommendations. Any other comments or questions from the commission? Courtney. Yes, Mr. Chair. Um, is this in a zone that's ultimately going to require upgrading to a DNI system?
Um, I don't know exactly where all those zones are. Um, I don't know if we have a fully updated map of that, but looking at this, they are proposing a location for a future tank if they need it. Okay. Excellent. Thank you.
You're welcome. All right. Any other questions or comments? Um, nothing in chat. I don't see anything in chat. So, yep. All right. Thanks, Jen. All right. So I'm going to call a roll. Courtney Bird I. Steve
B and I. Ron. Chris I. Ronnie moment. I Dave and I. Bill Duffy I. And Robbins is an I. Unanimous to accept staff's recommendation.
All right. Okay. What do we got next? Oh. Continue request for determination of applicability. Elliot Polebomb 354 West Falmouth Highway, West Falmouth, Mass for
permission to vis according to FWI 10.8 10B. Uh, Alyssa staff recommends a positive three under the state and a positive four under the bylaw. Resource area boundaries are not confirmed and I can elaborate. Don't move.
No, please do. Please do, Alyssa. Yeah. Yeah. So, this initial request was for a Vista prune. Um the two reasons staff cannot support the project is the Vista cutting would take place on state property on the bike path. So the town cannot support um cutting for a personal
property on state property. Um also even if we could uh we find that a view already exists. Um I we did mention this to the homeowner. Um we didn't hear back if he would be able to attend and if he wanted to um make an argument to the board. I
don't see him in the audience as an attendee, but if anyone is here representing the project, if you could raise your hand, we will promote you. I don't think there's anyone here. Um, so procedurally, do we need a positive
motion and a ne negative vote or can we just approve a positive? I can approve the positive staff's recommendation, right? Yeah. All right. So my motion is to approve staff's recommendation. Driscoll second. Thank you. Got a motion in a second. Any
other comments or questions from commissioners? Seeing none, Jen, there is nothing in chat. I don't see anything. Nothing in the chat. Okay. So, I'm going to go ahead and call a roll. Um Courtney Bird I. Steve Patton I.
Driscoll. I Steve Penty. Bill Duffy. I and Robins is an I. All right. So, it's unanimous to accept staff's recommendation about positive. All right. Request for a hearing under a
notice of intent. All hearings of the Falmouth Conservation Commission are held simultaneously under the authorities of the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act and the Wetlands Felmouth Wetlands bylaw. Although a single decision of the commission is issued, it represents a
separate decision under each authority. And first up is Brian McGoff Mclofflin, Falmouth Pier 37, Inc. 110 Scranton Avenue, Falmouth, Mass, for permission to replace and relocate the bulkhead,
remove a portion of filled tide lands, tidal lands, and expand the existing dock system. Jen. Yes, Mr. Chairman. The applicant is requesting a continuence until November 12th. Bird move.
Fiscal second. Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. Um, any other comments or questions from the commission? Anything in chat? Jen? Nothing. What What are we waiting? What are they
waiting on? Um, so a couple of different things. They are revising um some construction methodology for you as well as dewatering methodology for the board. They also do need to consult with the
state because D technical comments stated they may need to um go through the MEPA process which is the Massachusetts uh environmental policy act process which is it can take some time. So they wanted
to double check with the state, see where they stand with MEEPA and then revise their like I said their con both their construction methodology and dewatering methodology. Just getting all the all the ducks in a row. Okay. Yeah. They also need comments from the harbor
master which um um we're waiting on as well. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Ronnie. Um anything else from the commission? Anything in chat, John? No.
Nope. Okay, I'm gonna call the roll. Courtney Bird I. Steve Patton I. Ron I. Ronnie Balman I. Dave I. Bill
Duffy I. And Robins is an I. So it's unanimous to continue until November 12th. Uh, next up is Rudolph A. Vander Shoot 545 Courier Road, Valmouth, Mass for permission to conduct tree removal and
minor grading, install a rain garden and construct a raised terrace. Terrace Jen. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I am promoting Tom Bunker up to present his project.
Right. Good evening, Tom. video. Okay, here I come. There you go. Wow. That's not pointing the right way. Hold on.
Okay, here I am. Tom, don't laugh at me, Jen. I was expecting another hearing ahead of mine, so I wasn't quite prepared. Not a problem, Tom. Uh, okay. For the record, my name is Tom Bunker with BSS Design. I'm a land
surveyor. We prepared this plan for Rudy Vanderhoot Courier Road. And without further ado, I will uh share my screen if I may and uh dive into it.
Oops. And I uh said I haven't got to pull up the drawing here. There we go. So, this this project is in uh course. Are you viewing the plan?
Yes. Okay. Yes. But it's very little, Tom. Oh, I'll I'll make it all jittery in my when I zoom in on you. Okay. Thank you. Always appreciate that, Tom. Yeah. This is ah
okay this project this is there are two sheets one shows the uh the whole property but that just goes off to the left on this the Korea road um you can see this okay now the uh the uh
house is down by down fairly near to the pond but uh uh within in the um the A so the zone A of land underwater body within NHGSP habitat. So it has a 100 foot zone
A uh from the edge of the pond which is right to this line right here cutting through the house. So everything we're talking about is in the zone A and then the the priority habitat is this line also through the house but a little
further landward here. Um and we filed for review with the with the natural heritage people and of course have not heard back. So I'll start right off saying we'll need a uh a continuence
uh for at least that one reason. Um uh so I'm going to get to that. I have the uh staff report, but I'll I'll go through the project first. So we're on the shore, the the west shore of a Schumit pond in this location. If you've
been down there, this whole area is um probably heavily trafficked. There's no understory. There's a number of uh there's a cluster of pitch pine trees in this location right here. Um six of them proposed to be taken down.
And uh so we have four, five, six, seven, eight trees proposed to to replace them of different species. So there's a little uh variety of the uh in the in the species in the uh type of trees. Um,
but this this backyard slopes gently toward the pond and this stairs, this set of stairs, timber stairs going down is at the low point of the yard and so heavy rains like what we
had today and maybe we'll get tomorrow. Of course, I didn't go out to check, but uh water has been flowing down these stairs for a long time. You could see on both sides, particularly on the south side of the stairs, there's a lot of erosion going on. And so, what we're
proposing to do is take this same type of construction, the wooden, the uh 6x6 uh timber, and add two more
two more um risers. So, we're going to raise the top of the steps by uh they're five and a half inches. So, it's like a raising at 11 in at this point and then filling uh part partly.
So, it'll continue to slope toward toward the pond, but then down to a low point here and then back up again to the steps. So, the water will actually uh shed sort of in both directions. This is a sandy area which will absorb the water
well uh if for whatever goes into here. And then this is a uh well it's fairly level but we're proposing as a a water garden the catchment area for the the water.
They have the all all of the uh downspouts from the roof piped over to here. Uh, and these have the pop-up emitters, so the water will um go in. These these things will be
closed. Um, oh, no, sorry. They're not that they're just regular grates. Um, but they will the water will allow the grates will allow the water to surface. It'll go underground, then surface within this
low area here. And then there's a a down spout here running through a pipe and down spout at the corner of the front corner of the garage and the back corner of the garage all to connect and flowing down into there. That's one one part of the project and
and uh putting in uh lom a layer of lom which will be softer and um support vegetation better than what's there now. So from this this will be dug out to
below the elevation 53 and then spread build back up with 6 in minimum of lom to uh to support the uh the shrub shrub proposed shrubs in there entries. And then if you went around the back of the
house right here, there's a door from the back of the garage. And uh the this the the concrete stoop is at an angle from the erosion that's been happening over there. The downspout just drains onto the ground right here. Uh steps
coming down from there and a rinse station all on a slope. Uh so we're proposing here is is more of the uh uh a wall a block wall module concrete block wall here to bring
it up um to elevation 68. So it'll be just below the threshold one step down from the threshold from this door and and can level up the uh the rinse station area. And then the rinse station is also uh connected into that pipe and
some stepping stones across there. And this is to be just a a grass area. Stepping stones across the grass area and a couple of steps down to grade and then to there. So the mitigation planting 4:1
um you know comes out to what we've got going on in here 320 square ft or so. in this what we're putting in is the uh the rain garden and um
so I read the the uh staff report u couple notable points well one obviously there's a a dock out there and my guy when he was staking it I guess we hadn't been out there we hadn't surveyed this during the summer when the dock was likely to be out and my guy was out
there staking it and he didn't come back and say hey there's a dock out there so we missed that point. Um, we realize that does have to be uh licensed properly here and the kayak rack. All these things appear during the summer and
uh we'll either add some mitigation for that or you know have probably add mitigation for it because you know it's probably a seasonal but we'll we'll talk with Mr. Vandereshoot and uh and and staff. And then the other uh questions
or suggestions or there were several to not not remove. I think he said it would be okay to take out the three trees that are closest to the the deck. Um have to read that. So we'll I'll have to
talk with Rudy and see what he what he would want to do about all of this. And then um uh putting in different do I even have a list of of shrubs now? A list of more facultative wetland
shrubs to go in here that could uh handle some moisture. Wouldn't have helped this summer um but it would help today. Uh so we can change the uh composition of the uh proposed
uh plants to make them a little more plants that like their their toes in the in the water. Uh so I'm aware of the uh staff comments. Uh Fallon if I just ask if I just want to continue it anyway without coming here. I don't have to continue
it, but I'd open it up uh and take if if it's just the staff comments and no other comments, then that's fine. And then I'll just get a continuence or we'll see if any other comments on this uh on this project. So, I'll I'll take
this down and we'll talk. All right, Tom. Thank you very much. Um Jen, uh yes, Tom. So, yes, please inform the property owner that the dock does need to be removed and the kayak rack either
relocated or mitigated for. Yeah, I sent him the report. Yeah. Tom, why are you proposing a rain garden and not dry wells? It was well there was a way to you know add I mean there's way to water
the mitigation I suppose make a more natural area than just just dry wells I could put in just dry wells I suppose and it's just what we what we came up with. Yeah, I'm I'm having hard make a low area to, you know, to
catch the surface runoff or make a low area anyway for just the surface runoff so it doesn't get down to that area like like the sandy area on the other side, but not intending for it to be sandy. Okay. So, I mean, you could put drywalls in there and then just have regular mitigation
also. Yeah. I mean, the the issue I'm having with this is exactly what you said. is that you know when you usually see these types of rain gardens, they have more of the herbaceious kind of forbes and ses
and rushes and that kind of those little wetland kind of of plants that populate rain gardens. Trying to do it with shrubs is going to be difficult because like today we and tomorrow we're going to have a tremendous amount of rain. Yeah. But during the summer we were in a
drought. So trying to find the the the perfect, you know, composition of plants to populate this is going to be tough and it may fail. I mean, they may, you know, you may have to go through a couple of different um
plant pallets to find the right one that's going to to survive. So if it's just the surface water, that's one thing. Um, but if you're adding all of the roof runoff as well, I mean that
that may at times be a lot of water. So, I didn't know if you had discussions about maybe connecting at least the roof runoff to drywalls and then the surface runoff kind of pitch it like you have. Well, you'll have to change the grades a
little bit anyway to save some of the trees, but maybe the surface runoff over there, and I wouldn't be as concerned. I I don't know. It's something to think about and we can discuss it when you continue with Tom, right? Okay. Yeah, there's some discussions with him
and with you guys. Yeah. Something else. Yeah, we um we do we do support keeping some of those trees. the argument that it may in the future be um infected with the beetle. We could say that about
every tree in Falmouth, Dom. So, we got kind of a chuckle out of that argument. Um but um at least half of them have to stay. And then we do want to go out there with you and um have you
reconsider the the location of the tree the the trees you are proposing um because they are located under existing canopy. Um high canopy but still canopy. So um you don't like planting trees under existing trees for obvious
reasons. Well, when you have a high canopy, perhaps it is a high pine. I mean, you put something in which, you know, could start as an understory or perhap, you know, others could because you want something that's going to take over. Mhm.
Yep. No, I got it, Tom. But we can go out there and and walk the site with you. Yeah. Okay. All right. You all set, Jen? Yes. Okay, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Um, just two quick comments, Tom. I know
that you mentioned the dock and the kayak rack, but also the rinse station was unpermitted. So, um, I think, you know, adding a little bit of mitigation for that probably won't be too much. Um, and just to go off of what Jen said, if
the homeowner and you do want to propose a dual rain garden mitigation area, it it might take a couple tries to find a pallet of species that does well. So um just the expectation towards compliance time will be multiple successful growing
seasons. So this may last longer than you know the three-year typical time frame we all picture in our head. Yeah. Um so as long as they understand that if it all dies and all gets replanted, we can't just, you know, sign off, right?
No. We're going to need to make sure that it thrives and it establishes, right? It's just understanding that we might need to do this a couple times and it might last a little longer than we think if this is the way they want to go, you know? Right. All right. You all set, Lissa?
Very good. Steve, why don't you start us off? Okay, Mr. Chairman, it seems like there's a a considerable amount of work to be done with the staff and and um I I think we should wait until It's it's my only opinion until we have
a a little closer to a complete project here. Right. Thank you, Steve. Ron. Yeah. Um Tom, if there's the question seems to be too much water going into the rain garden, any way to put a governor or some sort of limit on the
the roof drains or put another holding tank in there so that only so much water can go in and maybe you can control it a little better. So you'd have the the ground run off and then you'd have Well, there is. Yeah. I mean, you could you can pour water into a depression like that and then have like a raised inlet. So, the oil go into the
depression. Then when it gets up to a certain level, it will flow into a dry well kind of thing. So, we would allow maybe an inch a couple inches of water in there and then then um then the rest would go into a dry well
that would, you know, give it some. it were lighter rains and you could get water in there that would just you know keep it moist but larger rains it wouldn't wouldn't drown them. Okay. All right Tom. Thank you. That's all all said, Mr. Chairman. Thanks, Ron. Ronnie,
uh thanks Tom. I think it's a good starting point. I was there today. The topography there is I mean uh I was there during the torrential rain. There was a small pond in in that backyard and the water was running towards the pond.
Um, I think some dry wells are going to be needed for that volume of water. And I don't have a problem taking the trees down myself. I think they're too close to the house for me as a liability laws for that. But, uh, I think you're at a good starting point for that.
That's what I get. Thanks, Ronnie. Uh, Dave, I have one question. I was there before the before the really hard rain today, but one of the owners was there and she said that um water tends to rush down the southern edge of the of the around
really come really rushes in there and I was just wondering the loom you're going to put down. Won't that be eroded away by the by the rush of the water coming in? Uh at well at one time the the Rudy had said that there was a lot of water um
he thought it was coming from the neighbor but then he thinks it was it's coming from a lot of it will be coming from perhaps that downspout at the front corner of the garage. And so that's going into the piping. So that that will hand that will take care of a lot of
that what will be running down. But of course the whole the whole driveway does go go down that way. Um, you know, if if this doesn't quite work, we have the grading that will go
as we have it now. It will focus any uh surface water down toward the the the sandy area with the with the fire pit. Um, so you think so so you think in the future more water will go down in that direction than I
think in the future, of course, there'll be less water coming down there because the two two down spouts are the roof are going into the pipes, right? That that's that that's a big part of it. Um and then some of it with the new
grading, some of it will go down toward that that sand. Yeah. Yeah, I I hear you because the the property owner did mention about water coming from the neighbors. She's probably wrong. It's probably mainly is that roof water. Yeah. Yeah. I I talked with Rudy and he he
originally he had said that he thought a lot of it was coming from the neighbor and in some quits he'll be but then he he told me that later and in one of the rains earlier this summer that he thought felt a lot of it was just coming from his own property around around the garage. But
yeah, that that would help. Yeah, we can't handle everybody's water, but we try to keep it so it doesn't at least go into the pond. Yeah. Thanks, Dave. Thank you, Dave. Uh, Bill.
Uh, no questions, Mr. Chairman. Okay, Bill. Thank you. I don't have anything. Um, so we're looking for probably a continuence on this. Yeah. Yeah. Can I chime in?
Oh, I'm sorry, coach. That's all right. Um, so I'm going to be a little contrary for a change. Um, I actually kind of like the idea of the the rain garden. I have I've always had
problems with drywalls. I think they're great in theory. The problem with the drywalls is that um all the stuff that ends up in the gutters eventually ends up in the drywall and it fails and then
it's defeated the whole purpose of it. whereas and essentially what you're doing is by conducting the water into this this uh rain garden you're um uh going to daylight so to speak. So um you
know I I I think that assuming you can but I realize there's some real challenge in making sure the vegetation can survive these conditions. That's the challenge. I mean, what you're almost creating
there potentially is a vernal pool and and so you need if you're going to do that, you know, you've got to have soils and vegetation that um that will in create that condition.
Um, and I, you know, so, uh, that gets a little outside my, um, above my prey grade, so to speak, uh, in terms of what, what can be done, but, you know, I, as a practical matter, going to daylight like this, particularly in an
area like this with lots of pines and stuff, that's going to it's going to be junk falling into the gutters and filling up the drywalls. If those dry wells fail, which they will in five or six years, um, now you got a problem and and it's
past the life of the order conditions and so nobody's monitoring it, you know. So, um, you know, I I I you're on to a creative solution. The question is, can you make it work?
Great. All right. that and you know you're it's you're not getting all the primary runoff there because my understanding what you're trying to do is where the stairs are which is where it wants to collect you're building it up and creating a sort of pre-puddle before it
goes overflows into the rain garden and into that other side. So interesting challenge. I like I like the out of the box thinking. I tried question. All right. Cool. Thank you. Did I miss
anybody else? Good. Um so you'd be looking for a continuence on this. What's the calendar look like? Jen Tom. Uh soon as I can get you on is October 15th. How what's that? Three weeks.
Yeah. we don't meet next week and then we the eth is pretty booked so it' be the 15th. That's what I was going to suggest. Maybe three weeks. Okay. And we can John we can have a discussion and and kind of brainstorm how kind of like Ron's idea. Um some
water will be okay but all the water or um and just letting it pond there might be a problem for your plants. It like Alyssa said it's going to be a challenge. So maybe trying to like you said, you know, when it gets to a certain level, it goes somewhere else.
You know, I kind of like that idea as well. I like what Courtney said. If you know, getting the water will rush through and clean out the pipe sort of and puddle puddle in the puddle, but then the excess will flow into a dry well. You may we can talk about that, Tom.
October 15th. October 15th. Okay. Um, Jen, was there any anything in chat? Anyone looking? Let me check. Where's my chat? Nothing in the public chat, Mr. Chair. Okay. Thanks, Jen. Courtney, did you
have something else? Quick, what's that? Did you have something else? I saw you with your hand raised. No, no, that's fine. Okay. We need a motion and a second for this to continue to the 15th. Make a motion to to continue this
hearing until October 15th. Third second. Thank you. Court. All right. Any other comments or question by the commissioners? Okay. Seeing none, I'll call the role. Courtney Bird I. Steve I.
Ron. I Ronnie Wow. I Dave and I Bill Duffy I Robins is an I so unanimous to move to October 15. Thank you Tom.
Thank you. See you then Tom. Good luck. Thanks. Okay. Uh next up is um Cliff Dwellers Association Inc. Zero Nan Valmouth Mass for permission to repair an existing stone groin. I am going to
recuse myself from this hearing and I'm gonna pass it over to Courtney to chair it. Courtney, it's all yours. Thank you, Dress. Um, enjoy the time off. Um, so u first of all, who's representing the applicant?
Mr. Chairman, I'm promoting Mike Burcelli up to present his projects. He's coming in. Hi, Mike. You're on you're on tap. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh members of the commission, for the record, Mike
Borselli, Film with Engineering, and I represent the applicant Cliff Dwellers Association. With your permission, I'd like to share my screen. You have my permission as well as everybody else's.
I'm I'm sharing with you an aerial photograph first to give you an orientation of where this is. Um the stone groin in question is being circled by my the hand from my mouse and we were lucky in that
we got a photo at low tide. You can see the staining on the rocks. You can see that the the end of the the seaweed end of the groin is broader because it slopes and it's deeper. And you can see even on this photo you can see some of
the dislodged rocks. There's one bright colored rock at the end. That rock actually came out of a hole in this in here and it probably measures three or four foot in diameter and it got tossed up on top of the groin and there's some other rocks that got dislodged out. This
is um common and typical. These groins were built like in the late 50s early 60s. Um this is the association development and this is their beach. Um all along the
western shore of uh the eastern shore of Buzzards Bay in this area, you see these these groins. Some of them have unraveled. Some of them are still okay. The uh cliff dwellers are trying to get ahead of it uh and and fix it and be
proactive before it gets too uh too much in a state of disrepair. There's more to the north. For for reference, um Old Silver Beach is up here. So, um, we've met with your staff on
site on a couple of occasions, uh, with some of the members of a subcommittee from the association. Um, we got input from Jen and Alyssa. We walked the site. We talked about some of the challenges and things to to doing the project. We
met with a marine contractor and we think we have a good plan. Um so with that I'm going to u share my plan. So if you look at the plan the the stone
groin that you saw in the photo is here. The wetland resources of note include of course land under the ocean buzzards bay. There's a coastal beach. There's a coastal dune along the upper edge of the beach. And then there's a a brushy
buffer to the dune before you encounter the uh road known as Non Circle which connects to some of the houses. Um there's an existing path that the members residents use to for foot
traffic to the beach. Uh when we met on site, the first thing that we talked about was construction access. How do we get here to do the work? So, in order to get here to do the work, you need two, actually three types of equipment that would need to make way out onto the
beach. You need an excavator that is equipped with what's called a thumb, which can grip uh boulders and move them, set them, um, shift them around. You need some sort of rubber tired with
uh a low low pressure PSI uh rubber tired machine that can cross the beach and deliver some supplemental rocks and other stone um bedding bedding stone which which is used to help um the voids in the
groin. So um we talked about the best access. We met with we staked that access. We met with your staff and I'm showing on here um with a double dash line, a 10- foot wide construction access
that meanders through um the vegetated buffer from the pavement on Non Circle and it meanders through there's an opening here if you've been on the site already that's sand and and the uh association has uh
historically kept kayaks here and And there's a path. So based on where the existing there's a lot of gnarly like wind driven uh um trees in in and around here, but we found a spot where we can avoid them and just go through what
what's predominantly invasive vegetation. Um break through this opening and then cross a small section of dune and then AC and the dune is a relatively low profile dune by the way. and then you're on a
sandy cobbly grally beach to here. Uh that seemed to be a viable uh location by your staff and the association members were happy with that. More on how we'll restore that in a couple
minutes. But so that's how we will get access here. Um there's this typical cross-section. I wanted to make it clear that this is a repair of only the upper third at most. We're not going to do any disturbance to
the side stone. We're not going to do anything that digs into the title zone below the substrate. We don't want to compromise that at all. This all appears to be uh repairs that can would be on
the upper third of the groin. So, we're showing how uh this is generally a cross-section of what it looks like and how it'll be repaired,
which involves removal of stones. Um installation of some uh bedding stone and some um stones that um will fill the voids commonly called stoning. Um
and then resetting of the stones that have been dislodged. Some of the stones that were dislodged are smaller. They might we we will probably bring some more larger stones that won't get tossed around as much in
in uh big storms. Believe it or not, two to three ton stones can get moved around in the in the storms. Um, so, um, that's why we're using heavy stone and then a even
heavier capstone. We met with a, uh, marine contractor who does this work. We initially thought about using a barge, which was just not an option. If you're at all familiar with Buzzards
Bay, the winds and waves and the in the ability to get the barge in a place that could be a viable stable work platform really isn't practical. Um so the methodology
uh includes disassembling the upper portion of the groin um in sections. The excavator actually will crawl onto the groin. There'll be no equipment in
the title zone in the water whatsoever. It'll it'll actually crawl onto the stone groin. It'll remove stones on the upper third to to either reset or replace.
It'll do it in accordance with this typical cross-section. It'll work its way out further. It'll continue to do the same thing um in manageable sections. It'll work its way out to the end. Um and then it will
it'll when the work is done of course it'll just work its way back. So each each section he has to go out of the trips a little bit longer but it'll probably be done in you know this is done in like you know 10 to 12 foot sections at a time. This could probably
take two to three weeks to do. It's tedious uh work. Um, part of this requires that there be someplace to stage and stockpile material. So on a daily basis, we were proposing
to use the cobbly stony grally beach area right adjacent above it's above mean high water. So, uh, that loader, rubber tide loader I mentioned, could feed the excavator with materials,
boulders and stone and, um, use that up, um, during the workday. The contractor said they need another place to provide more staging and uh,
stockpiling. So, that other location is on this plan. Um it's a little bit further north of the access u adjacent to um house number 23
on in by convenience. There's a gravel parking spot here owned by the Barlet K properties limited partnership. There's a house here and there's a driveway and the association owns the roadway here
that is sort of a hybrid culdeac. It's wide a wide paved area. So we've shown a dashed line around and labeled it as material stockpile area. Um we submitted to the with the application a letter
from the property owners here at 161 that indicate that they're they welcome this to be used. They they're they want this stone groin to be repaired and they're happy to uh help by providing
this uh stockpile area. We would certainly expect there to be um conditions such as no equipment on the beach should be taken off the beach every night. Um um
no um petroleum products or anything stored anywhere nearby in the wetland resource areas. Um there was a letter from Division of Marine Fisheries that suggests some um
possible time of year um constraints on when the work's done. I I want to remind you that I'm not sure how applicable that is if the work is done entirely on top of the groin and
there's no um work proposed below the basically the tide line on the side of the in the intertital zone I guess is a better way to say it. Certainly not below the substrate. No no no digging no
of anything. um in the title zone. So, it's a dry feat project. Um so, I'm not sure if uh time of year constraints are necessary. Of course, the association
doesn't want to do it in the summer for obvious reasons. They need to get pricing and fund this and it's likely to be a end of next season project. um if it goes forwards.
Now, your staff had some comments. They were not too significant. Um uh first off is um we do not have a D file number. So, we're going to have to ask for a continuence unless it was late breaking
and Jen knows about it because we we checked it and we didn't see a D file number was issued. So I wanted to present the project and get other feedback from you, but we'd have to continue this just to get the D file number at at least. Uh there was a
question from your staff about will mats be used to protect the ground under the access route. U mats would be certainly used um crossing the dune. There's there's dune vegetation. Um, and there's some Roser Gozer and
Bayberry. We're going to do they're going to do their best to like displace the load of the equipment crossing there. So, they certainly be appropriate to have Madding crossing the dune through the uh the invasive area. We were just hoping to
just clear that um and and restore it after. Um on that same note, there was a question about um what's the square footage of the vegetated area within the construction access that will be
restored. I calculated that just a little while ago. It's the area and I can put it on the plan of course. Um the area basically from the edge of pavement along the access to the edge of dune is
1,50 plus or minus square feet. Um staff recommends planting rows of gozer and bay berry when restoring the access. These species are currently thriving within the coastal dune. Um
boats and shares are being stored on the coastal beach within the coastal dune. These both these items must be removed as they could cause damage to the resource area. Certainly appropriate to condition that the cleared area within the dune where the
boats and chairs are being stored is also part of the construction access. This area must be included in the restor when installing the restoration of course. Um so pretty pretty uh good comments from your staff.
Um, we're hopeful that you can uh see to it to issuing us a favorable order of conditions. I will stop sharing and take questions. Okay, Jen, you have any? Yes. Um, Mike, I just checked. No D
numbers. Sorry. No, it's okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If you can get us those calculations, that's great. Then that way we can just give you a plant count, make it real easy for the association. Time of year restriction. Mike, we're going to have to abide by it, but it is
no work. Should take place from May 1st to July 31st. Um, it's a horseshoe crab time of year restriction. They nest on the actual beaches. So, it's not in waterwork they're worried about on this one. It's the horseshoe crab. So, the
the time of year restriction is actually appropriate in this thing um in this um circumstance. and it won't affect they wouldn't want to do the work then anyway. They're not going to want to do the work then anyway. So, it's a win-win for everybody.
My god, a year a restriction that's not impacting anything. Who would have thought? Um so, um yeah, I mean I went over the project in the field with Mike Fallon went back over it um afterwards. I do think that this is
the most appropriate construction access. um the access originally with the little path that I had thought they should go down. It's got really nice vegetation, native vegetation. We don't want to disturb that and have the invasives come in. So, this this is a good construction
access point. Um so, that's it. Mr. German, thank you. Alyssa, do you have anything? Nothing to add. Thank you. Okay. Uh we'll look for comments from the commission. Uh Bill Duffy.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don't have anything. It seems uh pretty straightforward and uh yeah, got nothing here. Thanks. It is straightforward, but it's literally heavy lifting. Oh, yeah. David Kent,
uh one question, a couple questions. Um on your cross-section diagram here with a the four to five ton capstone, there's a layer underneath. Is that going to be touched at all? That layer underneath is a proposed layer of bedding stone. What what they
want what what that represents is a a layer of um broken stone having a approximate diameter of 3 to 6 in. They want to put a layer of that in before the big stones so that they can bed
embed the big stones in it and and push them in and twist them around and try to get the joints tight between each of the stones. So So it's it's not there now. It's not there now. There might be some, but there's it needs to be supplemented. Okay.
And just one last question. Um, we've seen a couple of projects lately where they've u they've designed a silt apron around the construction area uh to protect uh I don't know if you don't have one. Um I guess I'm not sure why some projects do and some projects don't.
Dave, that's to um that's to reduce the turbidity around the project. If Mike's not working in the water, if this is like a dry project, he's not going he shouldn't need the turbidity. Are you talking about the turbidity curtain we see sometimes around them? Yeah. My Mike did say dry feet at one
point, so I suspected that was it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It shouldn't be needed in this case, but when we do a pre-construction with the contractor, we'll go over that. Thank you. Okay. Uh Ronnie Bowman. Mike, looks like you guys got a good
plan there. Good luck moving forward. Thank you, Ryan Driscoll. Yeah, same thing. I think it's a well thoughtout plan. you seem to have covered everything and uh good luck. Thank you. Okay, Steve. Yeah, I agree with that consensus.
Yeah, I the only comment I have is um and I think you alluded to it anyway, Mike, was the using vegetable oil with the contract with your hydraulics. Yeah, I was waiting for that one, Commissioner Burke. I assumed you'd want that as a condition.
Yeah, I mean it was in there. I I heard you mention it. Okay. Any other comments? Any comments in the chat room? Nothing in the chat, Mr. Chairman. And nobody's got their hand up to speak. Nobody has their hand up to speak.
Okay. Uh I think we need what? A continuence. Need a continuence. Mike, if you can get us those figures, and I'm sure you can. This is for a D number only. We'll if you get us the square footage, we'll we'll do the plant count for you.
Um, I don't think there's really any other changes needed to the plan. So, I can I can continue this until the October 8th just for the D number. Just read it, close it. Okay. We I'm assuming you can get me those
calculations by that time, Mike. Greg. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. We need a motion to that effect. Motion to continue hearing until October 8th at the request of the applicant. Driscoll. Okay. And we have a All right, we have a
motion and a second uh to continue this to the 8th of October. Uh Bill Duffy Duffy I David Kent Kent I. Uh Ronald Bowman Bowman I and Ronald DL
Discolly I and Steve Patton Patton I and Bird eye. So the mo the hearing is continued and at this point with great reluctance I'll turn the chair back to Mr. Robbins.
Thank you all. Have a good night. Have a good night, Mike. Thanks Mike. Thanks Mike. Thank you Courtney. Thank you Mike. Good night. All right. Next up is a continued request for a hearing under notice of intent. Seth
Adams, trustee S. Pond realy trust 265 Thomas Blanders Road Fmouth Mass for after the fact uh permission to install patio generator retaining walls two sheds and for permission to install
associated migation plantings. Jen yes Mr. Chairman Tim Santos has been promoted to present his continued hearing. Hello again Tim. Good evening. Hey Tim, how's it going? Good evening. For the
record, Tim Santos from Merill Engineers representing the applicant. Uh, with your permission, I will share my screen. Can everybody see that? Yep. Yes. All righty. Uh, the project's located at
265 Thomas B. Landis Road. This project was originally before you in uh July. um at which time we requested a continuance so we could address old compliance concerns and staff comment. So since
that time we've met with staff and we've discussed the project. We've proposed a revised plan that has been submitted to you. I have talked with staff on Tuesday in regard to the new staff report. So,
um, I will be submitting to them a revised plan. Hopefully, we can get the hearing closed tonight with the conditions, their minor comments. I can run through them. Um, one of the comments was they're asking for the location of where the garden will be
relocated. I with the applicant and he's actually just going to get rid of the garden. So, the garden's just going to be removed and not relocated. Um, another comment was in regard to the paths within the wildflower meadow. Um, so we're going to remove the paths all
together. Um, there's also a comment about, and this was an oversight on my my part, so I apologize. There's debris located in this northwestern corner. Um, we will note that on the plan and show the area for the debris to be removed and planted
with native shrubs. Um staff had asked me to look at the area of the old wildflower meadow versus the new one. Um the old one I believe I said was 426 ft. So we're going to
slightly increase this meadow by 131 square ft. That's not a problem. And also there's discussion about proposing a split rail fence along the edge of the meadow so that no future cutting could
take place with within that meadow. Um let me just I believe that addresses all the staff comments. It was minor comments to the plan. we can get that to staff next week and hopefully the board can uh close this hearing tonight and we
can put all these old compliance uh concerns behind us, get the site planted and bring it into compliance. So, if the board has any questions or concerns, I'd be more than happy to address them.
Thank you, Tim. Jen. Yes, Tim. Um, and I was writing something when when you first started. Did you say where the garden was going to be relocated to? I know you he's just going to abandon it. He said that if he wants it, he'll come back and
talk to you. He'll he's just going to get rid of it. Okay. And you do have the room um in between in between that limit of work line and the edge of the uh that wildflower meadow. I believe it's just
131 square ft. So, it it's less than a foot that I would have to extend it. Maybe a foot off of where it is now. So, it it's not a problem. I looked at it after and I went back and forth yesterday. Okay. And and you'll still be able to access that shed without mowing it.
Correct. Yes. Correct. Correct. Okay. Okay. And I do think that the the um the front rail fence is a good idea considering the history um of this particular property. So, I think that that's a great idea. Uh,
nothing more, Mr. Chairman. Just wanted to know if we figured out where that garden was going. Okay. Thank you, John. Alyssa. Um, just a couple notes for everyone. The quorum excludes Dave and Bill. Um, Tim, I just noticed that too in looking
at the plan, it's definitely kind of close to the sheds. So, maybe we can more or less hug towards the retaining wall more than the sheds just to allow, you know, decent access. That's not a problem. Um, yeah. and and I would recommend monitoring reports just so we can ensure that the meadow um is taken because it's
a it's a lot of square footage. That's a typical condition that I would expect. So, not a not a problem. Great. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Alyssa. Um Ron Driscoll, why don't you start us off? I'm all set. Thank you. I think we may answer all the staff questions and uh
I'd be ready to close this. Thank you. Uh Ronnie, no comments. Um, Courtney, no questions. Steve, all good. Thank you. All right. Well, I'm good myself. Um,
so is there anyone in the chat, Jen? Nothing in the public chat, Mr. Chairman. All right. So, I need a motion here. Um, I'll make I'll make a motion to close the hearing and take it under advisement. Second.
Okay. With Courtney's got the motion and and Ron's got the second. Any other comments or questions from the commissioners? All right. Hearing none. There was nothing in chat. So, I'm going to go ahead and call the roll. Courtney Bird I.
Steve. Patton. I. Ron. Ronnie. Bowman. Hi. And Robins is an I. So, this hearing is closed. Thomas, 265 Thomas Wers Road.
Thank you for your time and uh have a great weekend. You too, Tim. Thank you. You too, Tim. All right. Next up is Susan Gan, 42 Chase Road, found with mass for permission to remove approximately 7100
square feet of common reed mightilius. I'm coming to get you to Tyler. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I am promoting Tyler Jendro up to present his continued
project. Good evening, Tyler. Good evening. Good evening, commissioners. For the record, Tyler Gudro, Environmental Landscape Solutions. Uh we came before you two weeks ago. Um I'm going to share
my screen to show the site plan. Yeah. So we originally uh did a filing where we discussed uh the removal of uh about 7,800 square ft of fragmite arralis. We're doing uh some stem injections. We discussed that uh that
procedure. Uh while we were filing, we discovered some uh violations which we calculated with staff. Uh the last we were here, we had a discussion regarding uh some plantings that were proposed under some trees uh in this area. Uh the
commission decided against that. So our uh plan before you is uh showing the reduction in that area. We also reduced uh a portion of the existing driveway and relocated some plantings to the lawn
area. Uh I spoke with Alyssa regarding some staff comments about u just proximity to some structures. Uh we'd be happy to do some some minor relocation of uh this area here, this area here and over here. We've already sort of started
that uh process but wanted to discuss uh those changes. And then uh we also made a a determination last time or discussed about trying to uh expedite some of the the Frankmy's removal. So we'd be happy
to kind of discuss that tonight as well. All right. Is that it, Tyler? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Uh Jen. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Um thank you for addressing those staff comments, Tyler.
We may just need to tweak it to make sure you're 10 feet off of those structures. And when do you want to start your Fragmati work? Yeah, so we were hoping yesterday uh yeah, the I think the beginning of October we'd still be in that in a in a good spot. I think by the end of
October, we'd kind of be teetering. So it would be October 6th. Um we actually started a draft plan today with those comments. So we could definitely get you a revised plan before that. um so that you have everything you need. It would just be doing the work before the order
is issued. Um and I'd be happy to give you any any info or details that you need for that. We can work with you on that, Tyler. Awesome. Um I don't think we need to continue this out any any longer, Mr. Chairman. We can work with Tyler on the minor tweaks of the plan and get him going on
the fragmitees removal aspect of it. Sounds good to me. Um, Alyssa, uh, my only comment for the group is the quorum is everyone except Ronnie. Thank you. All right.
So, um, let's, um, Dave, why don't you start us off? I I have no questions. Right, Bill? No questions here, Mr. Chairman. Courtney, um, you're gonna mostly cut and drip. Is
that your approach? Yes. So, we'll do stem injections. So, it'll be um it'll be a wetland approved herbicide that'll be applied directly to just the stocks of the fragmitees. So, it's not dense enough that you could
use a folure spray. Uh we decided against the folure spray. Uh typically with large uh it's actually the client's uh choice and also it's a little bit better for the the habitat. So, uh, it's a little bit more labor intensive, but her original application
was to use organic, uh, herbicides, if you will, and, uh, it really didn't work. So, this this is our this is our approach, and we'll probably be out there for several days going at it. But, um, we use we use another product called Tracker that has a small die in it, so we can
see which, uh, stocks were were hit and which ones weren't. So, we kind of double back and forth, but we also use a track in and track out method. So, we try to limit as much foot traffic on the on the marsh as well. Yeah. Well, good luck with it.
Thank you. No other questions. Thank you. Uh, Steve, happy to see this come to a conclusion. Thank you. All right, Ron. Hey, just want to know if the die is CDC approved?
Good job, Tyler. Good job. Good luck. Thank you. Good luck with it. Um I know it's been a long time and it's been a couple years since it started. So, um I hope we can get started as soon as possible. So, thank you. Thank you. All right, Jen. Anything in chat?
Nothing in the public chat, Mr. Chairman? All right. Nothing else from the commission. So I'm looking for a uh motion. Make a motion to close the hearing and take it under eyesment pat.
Right. So we have a motion by Steve and a second by court. And I'm going to go ahead and call a roll. Courtney Bird I. Steve. Patton. Iris. I Ronnie.
Ronnie Bowman. recused himself and he's out of the meeting right now. He's attempting to come back in. Okay. Thank you. Um Dave, I don't know where he went. Here he comes. I and Billy I Robin's eye. So that's six with one
extension um to close the hear and take it under adisement. All right. Thank you, Tyler. Have a good one. Thank you. Have a good night everyone. You too. All right. Next um is a request to amend
an existing order of conditions. Robert and Natalie Gulgen 133 FA road foul mass for uh request to amend the order of conditions for mass DP number 25-4528
to permit increase creases in structure and driveway after the fact and install mitigation plantings. Uh, yes, Mr. Chairman. I have promoted Tom Bunker up to present his
project. Hello again, Tom. Hello again. Thank you. Uh, thank you for waiting for me or vice versa. Uh, yes. Do you have anybody joining you this evening? No. Okay. Not not that I know of. Okay. Um,
this project has been going on a while. I can uh share my screen and uh describe describe what's going on. Um, so this project for those as I said it's been going on a
while. This project well started five years ago. Um, this was a sort of an estate, a main house and a small house, a cottage with a big gravel drive coming in through here and the uh fronts on Vineyard Sound
backs up to Fairy Road, Velocity Zone out through here, the co coastal bank, you know, rip coastal bank along here, but but well vegetated. Um and then the topography is kind of strange and
this this whole hinges on on topography and uh definition of coastal banks. But this this topography along the shoreline runs this this coastal bank runs south explained in the uh in the narrative
runs southwest a couple houses south of there where the ground is lower and then the the lower ground allows the flood zone to come in behind and then the coastal bank reappears around in this location. And actually up
up to right here there was a a bank and this this little original cottage uh had two levels and a walk out level down at the bottom of the bank there. And so this coastal bank went when did it winded its way through the through
the property. Um in my interpretation is disputed but in my interpretation this coastal bank um the the zone B
um coastal dune zone B 100 ft from another wetland resource area comes through here. So the way I looked at it at the time that this this coastal bank here was within 100 ft of another
resource area and uh as it went further onto the lot, it's no longer within 100 ft of that resource area. So I had a 25 ft zone A uh shown around this part of the coastal bank right here. And then
being 100 ft more than 100 ft beyond it has a zone B back here. But there is no 25 ft zone A associated with this bank. Um this one either down here. It's it's all more this this one is also more than
100 ft from me. And this is a totally well not totally separate but coastal bank. So that's just so a lot of you haven't seen the beginning of this. So I thought I'd I' I'd show you show you that. And
the um this was the approved house at the time with uh in this the in this plan the outline of the existing house is in black and white
u but it's down there and the cottage was over here and then it was approved with a circular turn around here. Um uh you can see a driveway a lot of grading going over this part of the
coastal bank from from here landward. This is the uh our our symbol for the coast top of coastal bank was lined with the triangle Stewart. So it was the driveway was proposed over part of the coastal bank and grading
proposed over more of the coastal bank here which uh it some people would say it's not seawward facing but it does face a flood zone. Um so that's the uh approved plan. So it
was not built exactly according to the approved plan. So like I said this this um you see the existing house was here. So the proposed house did move away made more room between the coastal bank and
here and the original mitigation was this much right here. Um there's a lot of crushed stone added here and also some other things. I can I can start at the in the in the uh staff
report. Um talks about th this this was changed here. um basement access going down and these these stairs and I have on this plan if you looked at it carefully these purple numbers showing the about the
increase in coverage. Um this is a small decrease but otherwise 243 ft of increase and these stepping stones and the rinse station increase and this is an increase um down here some increase
with the stepping stones and these stones but Alyssa or or Fallon I uh these were not uh mitigated for the these stones right here Um I I missed
them. We missed them. That would be another I don't know how many square feet of stone there. Uh so there was some extra blue stone put in here and these stones across here. Uh the grill area and the porch things were all all
done properly. Um this area is the real uh contentious area uh where the circular driveway what what was approved was shown in this heavy line here
and and out to here. Um and again I have the uh the total increase in this area is plus 100 square ft -7 - 99 plus 595 but um
this entry is the same. It just moved slightly. The increase here 621 square ft. um mainly due to this rectangular parking area.
And then there was gravel that was not clearly shown on the plan or or shown on the plan at all. this area um with gravel in this um
stone that is not built uh well let's say every bit of this driveway that was calculated as driveway is calculated as imperous because it you know I have driven on it
gets packed down you know dense is great underneath it. All of that stuff, this stuff, what I've hatched in blue, uh, is stone. It's it's it's stone. It's it's not not long, but it's also not not driven over.
Um, the frankly with stone on top of it, I think that the underlying soil is probably this area is probably more pvious than grass itself. because it doesn't get compacted the same way that a lawn gets
compacted. So, in my opinion, this is um pvious as is this. This is part of a driveway. The regulations say that in zone B
um imperous surfaces must be mitigated. And that was um the basis for these calculations where we have um
we have the 2020 calculations here and there was a slight um there was no increase in zone B. There was a slight decrease in the zone B uh in 2020. I tabulate the areas of increase
uh basically in the courtyard with all those areas like a thousand square feet of increase uh which I've counted the parts which will be driven upon as imperous. Um, but
as we did on a small parking area at Hamlin A, I put in this gravel pave, which is a system to make a 100% pvious
surface. Um it it's made up there's well drain subgrade, there's sandy gravel underneath it, and then there's a gravel pave system with a uniform 316 to 38
uh washed stone in it which is pvious and water will drain right through. Um this is a in plan view it's a honeycomb system. So the water is captured and goes down. So
this area I've put up here, this blue honeycomb is the gravel pave system. 880 square ft within this. So we're taking that out as per surface. Where'd that go?
Right here. And uh so we have a increase in zone B of one square foot. Um
we show 1300 there there's previous 783 square ft. So we we have uh calculated there is certainly every bit of C new coverage in zone A is mitigated for. So we have this 460 ft
here and there's uh 97 square ft here. So we have 1,600 or whatever square ft of mitigation planting.
This green line hatching is the additional area that um here and here would make up the remaining this make up what's
I hope is uh uh def deferred or whatever by putting in making part of this surface permeable. um if and is as in the uh one on Hamlin A
uh it was allowed to be put in and then show that there is enough room and again I'm here I'm using the zone A of this bank um one thing Chen said if we want to have any hope of using this
as mitigation we have to come in through this uh the zone A for this bank was shown all the around about to here but not 25 ft all around the bank. Um so we have this area and that area of
mitigation planting um which there is enough room for it and there's you know more more room in in other other parts of that also. Um
so that's you know I've read the uh read the uh staff report um the what was it the refers to removing and regrading it
according to this plan. I frankly don't see why it would have to be regraded this way. um you know this plan this this grading that's there now does the same thing um
just just more more fill on top of the coastal bank uh otherwise it was unclear in the last part about said removing the gravel pave I guess you mean rem removing it from the plan um
but obviously the gravel pave is not there now. Um, but uh that's that's this is what we're proposing for this amended order to uh get some more mitigation in here. Um,
and hope we can eliminate some of this uh imperous surface by using the gravel pave system to make it. I will take this down and take your comments. Right. Thank you, Tom. Uh, Jen.
Yes. Um, thank you, Tom. First of all, Tom, that second driveway was never shown on your plan. You you used kind of a vague term that it might not have been. No, it was there wasn't shown as driveway there. There was never proposed to be a driveway over there. Um, Tom, over where
you have the blue gravel on the side of the house, you have stepping stones within that gravel. you're going to need to calculate that because if this board decides that you don't have to mitigate for that blue, you're definitely going to have to mitigate for those stepping stones. Um,
I remember many, many, many moons ago, I asked you, I asked all of those engineer, you want to count it as coverage, then you count it on the back end. And I specifically remember it was BSS design counting all these little stepping stones. So,
I think that was actually started with patio with It started with you over down on Chase Road. So, I'm glad you remember me. Oh, I No, it was Jeff. But I I remember us. Us. Um, so you're definitely going to
have to do that. Yeah. I don't particularly love the mitigation um behind the pine trees. It seems like you're just shoving them right up against the property line. Um, so I'd like to see the the area that area of
mitigation kind of relocated. Um and um uh staff's recommendation and staff's opinion is that the parking court um should be
reconstructed to its previously approved formation because it is additional fill on a coastal bank. Um I'm not even going to even get into the discussion of imperous versus pvious. it's on an actual resource area. Um the the
applicant was allowed to just grade a little bit over well regrade it but then just approach a little bit over there and then someone took the liberty of creating a much larger parking court on top of that coastal bank. Um, so I do
have um some concerns with that. Um, and think it should be um removed and the circular driveway that was originally permitted um uh be reconstructed. Um, as far as the gravel,
going to have this back and forth argument until I come with a reg revision. Um, but Tom, it's hard to like whether you're just using it for pedestrian access versus if it's compacted. I mean, we don't know
what's underneath that gravel. We don't know if it's there's stone dust under there. We don't know how pvious it is. Um, it was put there without anyone's knowledge or approval. We had no ability to comment on it at the time. So, I do have some concerns with that. The staff
cannot be um responsible for going up and digging into the gravel to see if there's stone dust in it. If there's uh uh you know black black filter fabric underneath it. We were on a site today. It was gravel. We could see the black
filter fabric and that water just pulled right on top of it. It was not pvious at all. Um, so I do have concerns with with gravel in this in this census because we just we just don't know. Um, so those
are my only comments right now, Mr. Chairman. Oh, and Tom, do you have a species list? Because the last time we unfortunately, um, you didn't provide a species list for the mitigation and we found ourselves arguing with someone close to
45 minutes about the use of bear berry versus another type of plant. So, I would like some a proposed planting list from you. That would be great. Take take the guesswork out. Yes. I do not want to have that same argument again.
Right. I understand. Thank you. Uh and I think I think that's it for me, Mr. Chairman. I know Alyssa might jump in here as well. Um two things, Tom. I don't recall if you had noticed this or not, but one of
the pitch pines is dead um towards the south side of the property. So, this is just a good time of year to replace that. Yeah. Um I'm here for it. Yeah. Thank you. And I just second all of Jen's comments. Thank you.
Thank you, Alyssa. Um Lonnie Bowman, why don't you start us off? Tom, thank you. Uh I was on site today during the torrential rains and I saw no puddling at all in that uh driveway or
on the north side. So definitely pvious in my mind. Um where did the the old driveway you had mentioned was that did that come up through the garage and go to the front of the house? It went up.
It It entered north corner of the property all kinds of property went along the hedge and then came in between the the big house and the cottage. The the you talking about the original driveway, the original driveway to the house, the
plan you showed pre previous seems like the house was set back a little bit and the new house was back is back a little bit from the the old one. Is that correct? Yes, the new house is back from the old one. Okay. Um yeah, I I I uh I think it's coming down
to mitigation as far as I'm concerned. Um I don't see a need to take up that driveway in my mind, especially where already work was already done on top of that bank, even if it was limited. Um that's just how I feel. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Ronnie. Uh Dave.
Well, I'm all set for now. Bill, sorry. No comment, Mr. Chairman. All righty. Uh Coy, um yeah, I I have a minor heart throb over the uh gravel along the side. Jen
commented that it was this black filter cloth or whatever underneath it and it's puddling and that doesn't sound like it's draining very well. And we have and I don't think that was put in with a permit, was it? No, I was saying that the the site we
were on today, we were not on this site today. I'm just giving an example, Courtney, why we have an issue. I think the point is the point is that um you know, we don't have any because it was not approved originally, we don't
have a design for it. So we have no way of of verifying its permeability or not other than standing out there and watching. And the other part of that is that drainage is great and I think that's important, but habitat is also
great. And most animals I know don't eat rocks as a normal uh thing to eat. They like vegetation. So, I'd like to see some vegetation over there that um provides a even a minor
bit of of u of uh you know, habitat value. Even if it's grass, then you got mice and worms and all kinds of good things that can live in there.
So, and you know, for you know, if it's a maintenance issue, you know, that's a hand mowing job that'll take uh a landscape or two seconds. So, I don't see it as burdensome. So, I want to see that gravel out. No other comments.
Thank you, Steve. Yeah, I agree. It's come standard mitigation. Uh I I believe that um the permeability of of some of these structures is something that we've discussed in committee. So
um let's just get enough mitigation to balance things off. All right. Thank you, Steve. Um Ron, no comments or time. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, Jen, did you Somebody was
in the chat that wanted to join us. Yes, Mr. Chairman, I'm gonna promote. Excuse me one second. Susan Gates, I believe. She is the butter on the south
southside. Do I have this right? Southside. She has asked to be promoted as a panelist as opposed to typing in her comment in a chat. Miss Gates, you have been promoted. I need you to turn your microphone on. And
if you have a camera, thank you very much. If you have a camera, if you go I'm Suz. I'm Susan Gates. We used my account so my husband could
Okay. That's fine. Mr. Gates, you can address Mr. Gates, can you give us your address, please? Yes. Uh, I'm at 125 Fay Road, which is lot 5B. Thank you. And
so I'm on the west the west side. Sorry about that. 133 property. No problem. And you? I'm sorry. First name? My name is Frederick Gates. Okay. I'm one of the trustees of the Gates
Nominee Realy Trust. Okay. Thank you very much. So, um I wanted to make one point and that is that uh there has been at times runoff from the 133 property creating a
flood down in the uh base of the um uh bottomland um that exists between the two properties and uh it's been as much as a foot a foot and a half deep. Um it doesn't happen all the time, but uh it
uh bothers me from the point of view of making that uh part of the property uh not as usable anymore. Uh second point I would like to make is that um there are some trees at 133 uh
Bay Road which are not listed uh on the um overview plans that were presented today uh that go alongside my house and uh the branches from these trees are beginning to overgrow and touch my roof.
So, uh, I'd like it if the, uh, existing trees could be put into the plan. And finally, I'm very interested to know what plants will be planted on the top of the burm um, along the 133 to 125
property line. All right, Tom, do you have a response to that? Well, I I didn't have a list. That's told Jen I'd work on a plant list native back, you know.
Um I mean I I don't know. I would my first thought would be some viburnum and and beach plum perhaps, but it's something I'd have to talk about talk to staff about. How about how about the trees he's he's mentioning that are along the property
line? Were they would you were there something planted there or or was that existing or they're they're pre-existing trees? Pre-existing. They were already there. They are they are already there. They're threatened a
little bit by uh ivy growth and u the uh type of climber that's uh goes up and strangles trees. So, I'm a little concerned about that. Okay. But but in other words, those those
please those trees have not just been planted. They've been there for quite a while. That is correct. Correct, Mr. Chairman. All right. I was a little confused in that. So, do you just want to see do you know that they're on a Kullan property
or you just want want to see us to show them so you know which property they're on? I I know that they are on uh the 133 uh property. Uh I'll probably have to uh come before the commission at some point saying I
want to get them trimmed so they don't u contact my roof uh at some point. But um those uh those trees I noticed were not in uh the plan presented. Correct.
Yeah. Tom, you wouldn't normally add those trees, would you? I mean, we don't do I mean, we do trees in any areas where where there's changes going on, but we hadn't gotten gotten around to that side, particularly down
down the hill. It was just not in danger of being changed. So, we didn't didn't locate all those trees. We might have some of them located and they just weren't drawn. I'd have to check. Okay. All right.
Was there anything else, Mr. Gates? No, I I think um I just want to express my interest in understanding how all this works out. Okay. So, thank you for what you do. You're welcome, sir.
All right. Anything else from the commission? Um, I just have one follow-up question for Mr. Gates, uh, through the chair, and that is, does it flood on your property frequently, and is that as a result of
the construction? It um, it has flooded. Uh, I can't tell you exactly how frequently because I'm not always here, but um some of the
landscaping timbers uh at the um that hold up our driveway and and retain it's a part of a retaining wall uh have gotten soaked often enough that they're beginning to rot out uh at times. So, I'm uh interested in not exposing them
to too much more water on a regular basis. Yeah. Well, um there water on a pro property that's got is supposed to be retained on the property. It's not supposed to get off. So, I'm I would ask
u Tom if this is an issue that you should do some re-engineering so that that problem isn't ongoing. Well, I don't know. I mean, there was always a slopes going. There was always always in a bowl and so I don't know if
it's flooding more than before or not. But you you also have to you're not supposed to you're not supposed to it to be looked into. And if it's a problem called by the construction, it's got to
be fixed if if it's caused by that. Yes. Yeah. It's not It's not that no water should cross your property. It's that no increase in water should cross the property. That's correct. Yeah. So, yeah. I I don't know. I mean,
it's I can look into it. It's a possibility. Thanks, Tom. Jen, did you have something? Um, just to tell Mr. Gates that if he wants
to have those trait um trees trimmed, you know, Mr. Gates, you don't have to appear before the this this board. You can come to our office and we can do that administratively through you for you through a a smaller type permit. This board didn't usually
Yeah. We we always say you should probably ask your neighbors, but it's my understanding of state law um after consulting with the tree warden on this many times that is if the branches are overh hanging your property, you do have the ability to to trim them, but we
always suggest, you know, playing nice with the neighbors and asking permission before you touch their trees. Um thank you for making that offer. I'm not a problem, sir. And then um second the the the the plants you were
concerned with. Is it are you concerned with the the species that are going in there, the height? What's your concern with the species going up into that that um you called it the burm? Um the the burm is um sort of common
between all the the properties. Uh it just continues on in front of uh my house as well. So, I I'll be seeing whatever gets put in and uh I just want to make sure that u uh I understand what
the plan is uh both in terms of uh height and uh bushiness and uh uh water uh fixation that sort of thing. Okay. So, Tom, that goes to my point that we kind of need a plant list from
you. Mhm. But yeah, well it is I mean any planting there will have the intent to fully vegetate it. Correct. All I'm telling Mr. Gay. I don't know if I know that was for walking back and forth. You're concerned or or whatever,
but it's but yeah, it's it's Well, yeah, we can look at I'll I'll talk with staff there, Jen and Alyssa and and Fallon about Excellent plan. Y thank you. Yeah, Mr. Gates, if you could, if there's any way you can um maybe get
some pictures of that flooding, it might might help out. You know what I mean? Along the driveway. I I'll call in uh on the uh the uh commission on Friday. I think you're open. And uh I'll bring a picture of the
example of the flooding that we've seen. Yeah, that'd be great. Just to kind That would be helpful, sir. Yep. All right. Anything else, Mr. Gates? You all good for now? No, I'll be coming in Friday, Jen, to talk to you about notweed.
Okay, that's fine. We We love to talk about notweed. Yes. Love it. Thank you. Common subject. Thank you, Mr. Gates. Tom, how much time do you need? Mr. Gates, I'm going to put you back in the attendees list now. Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate you.
Not a problem. Sorry. I have to find you in my list here. I don't even see you in my list. Oh, there we go. One second, Mr. Chair. Okay, back in attendees. Tom, you have still a little
bit of work on your plan, which what do you think? 15th. Well, not sooner than the 15th. Okay. I mean, that's the 15th is the earliest it can be, right? The 15th is the earliest it can be. If you wanted to
bump it out to the 22nd time, I don't know how busy you are right now. You let me know. Um, doesn't look like you have to do a ton of work on your plan, but So, we have two two weeks to get to it.
Um, I'd like to I'd like to do the 15th. You like the 15th? It's going to work for you. Okay. you know, the the theides of October. Okay. 15. So long as I can have time to
How how long be gone, Jen? So I can uh I mean have to be able to have staff time and I can if you're going to have in the next two weeks. I'll have time. Well, I'll have time. Um I'll be around for the next two weeks,
Tom. I'll have time. Okay. All right. So, quoting, you made a motion. Yeah. At the request of the applicant, I move that we this hearing to the 15's got just
in in general. I mean, we we've been talking about this crush stone and impervious and impervious, zone A, zone B. I know we're working on it, but it's just so confusing. It's confusing. You know, five years. Now we got something, you know, do we take out as as Ronald said, we take out
the parking because it's crushed donor because it's on a coastal bank. Was it approved then that it's going to approve now? Uh it's no one seems to know what to do. So it's not consistent. No. And I and and I agree, Ron. And um
um my issue with the the the parking court has nothing to do versus impervious or pvious. It has to do with the on the coastal bay. Yeah, that's my issue with the parking court. It has nothing to do whether it's impervious or
impervious. Um, and I I I am working on it. I'm going to try to make it really simple for the board because again, and we were discussing this with Russell this afternoon when we were going the meeting. The staff doesn't want to put be put into the position of we're
determining whether this is truly pvious or not. So, you know, once I have it written up, once I get back, I will, you know, we can discuss it again with you. If you want to keep it the way it is, that's fine. Um, but we're just trying to really make it simple for both the
commission, the staff, the applicants, and everything else. So, there's not this gray area and confusing. You know, Tom spent Tom spent two paragraphs talking about pvious and impervious. Yeah. And you know, and now you you know when you're standing here
looking at this, you can't tell whether it's pvious or not. As you just said, you don't know what's there. As a matter go through and you have to go through six what, six, eight inches in the ground on every bit of crush stone to see if it's pvious or non-pervious. Yeah. And that and that's the
I haven't seen my piece. Thank you. Well, there could be inspections or or photographs submitted to show how it's been built. But but again, Ron, my concern with the parking court was the the further encroachment on the coastal bank
and I wanted to keep that like separate from the gravel discussion. It's on the coastal bank. It's, you know, my recommendation is to remove it, but I mean again, it's up to the board. Okay. Okay. All right. Do we did I get a second on
the continue to the 15th? I'll fris second. All right. So, we have a motion and a second to continue the um 133 favor to October 15th. Any other comments or questions from the commission? Hearing none, I'm going to
go ahead and call roll. Courtney I Ron I Ronnie Bman I Bill Duffy I Robbins is an I. So, we're in
that to continue to October 15th. All right. Thank you. Thanks, Tom. Good night, Tom. Good night, Tom. Good night. All right. Next. Next up is a hearing under an enforcement order. John and
Joanne Olivito Zero East Felmouth Highway Maple 33-9-00003-0000 East Falmouth of Mass unpermitted dock boardwalk in conservation jurisdiction. Jen. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Um, not only
conservation jurisdiction but on conservation commission property. Um, we are withdrawing this enforcement order. Um, we have gained compliance on the property. The dock and the boardwalk have been removed from the property.
Right. We don't need to vote on that. Nope. Good. That's out of the way. Um, continued hearings under an enforcement order. Suzanne and Morris Ryan Maurice
Ryan 32 Squib Knocka Drive east of Mass unpermitted installation of retaining features in Hardscape uh potential regrading of coastal bank and clearing within conservation jurisdiction.
Yes, Mr. Chairman, the property owner is requesting a continuence until October 22nd. So move second. Okay. Um, we have a motion to continue until October 22nd. Any other comments or questions by the
commission? Hearing none. Um, we'll call the roll. Continuing for October 22nd. Iman, [Music] David, I
Duffy. I and Robins is I that's unanimous to continue until October 22nd. Uh next up was um Merola and he's he's continued.
Next up is uh Anthony Aveni Junior Aini and Elaine Aveni 42 Squib Knocker Drive East with mask unpermitted reconstruction of the deck enlargement
of the patio installation of retaining features and clearing within juris conferation jurisdiction. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Um, the applicant is requesting a continuence until Octo This one's October 8th, right, Alyssa?
October 8th. We're meeting with Mike Burcelli, their representative, and the property owner, assuming the property owner on Friday afternoon. Okay. Bird Bird. So, move second to continue until October 8th. Any other
comments, questions by the commission? None of the call a roll. Courtney bird I Steve Adam I Ron I Ronnie Bman I Steve I Bill
Duffy I unanimous continued until uh October 8th. Next up is Steven Augusta, 33 Oyster Shell Lane, East Farm of Mass, unpermitted removal of mitigation
plantings and unpermitted installation of hardscape within conservation jurisdiction. Yes, Mr. Chairman, the applicant is requesting a continuence until November 5th. Yeah, November 5th. We did meet with
Mike Borceli and Angela Tanner of Crawford to go over the plan. Um, and there's still a little bit more work to do on the plan. Um, so they've asked for we need additional time to work through this.
Okay. So, what was the requested date? November 5th, Courtney. Okay. So I will make that motion to continue it until the 5th of second. Any other comments or questions from the
commission? All right. Hearing none, I'll call the role. Iris Driscoll I Dave I Duffy I Robins is an I. So, were unanimous
continued until November 5th. Jen, I just one thing on that. When you get this gravel thing done, I'll get it done quick. Yeah, I was waiting to do everything at once. Maybe I'll just take 1018, make our changes, bring it to the board, and we'll get it. Yeah, let's do it. We'll make it an
agenda item, too, so we can all talk about it. And yeah, that's fine. That pages. Yeah. No, I wouldn't I I I like I said, I was going to take the notes I had from when we discussed it. I'll write it up. We'll make it an agenda item. I'll send it out to anybody. You guys want to accept it? Fine. Not that that's fine.
If you want to leave it like it is. Our concern is again, we just it it's really hard for the staff to determine whether something cuz we've seen it. I mean, the example that Alyssa has is, you know, we went out to a site east. I think it was
eastbound was somewhere and they had done like a parking court, like a carport. M um that gravel was it was almost like cement. It was there was something they put in it that it just hardened and it wasn't it was
impervious. So that's always been the concern is you know how do we determine whether or not something is truly pvious or not? Um and like I said make it very simple. If it's gravel, you mitigate for it. If it's debt, you don't. You know, I
mean, it just it it just it'll make it simple for us, simple for the board, simple for the applicants. Just as long as we're consistent. Yeah. And that's what it is. Just consistent. Get it done because we've argued over drip drips with gravel and everything else. It's just there's too many variables.
Fair enough. that I've seen in the past like 15 years and it's just it's we've seen gravel in like the the the foundation plantings and everything and we're like what what is this you know so well I'll I'll work on that. Okay, great.
I'm looking for one more motion. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Motion to second. Eye bird eye. That eye. Toughy eye. Hey, buddy.
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