[Music] Planning Board to order. Today is 24th, June 24th, 2025 and we are meeting at Felmouth Town Hall. My name is John Dulie and I am the
chair of the planning board. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this is a public meeting and is being conducted in accordance with the Massachusetts open meeting law. Please take a moment to silence any mobile devices or electronics to avoid
interruptions. Anyone wishing to speak should come to the podium, wait to be recognized by the chair, and state their name for the record before making remarks. Excuse me. Encourage respectful and constructive dialogue during public comments period.
Thank you. And we're going to we have uh a period for public comment if sorry I don't want to close out of anything. Thanks. Sorry. If anyone wants to make a public comment on anything not related
to any of our hearings this evening. They have to come up to the podium and they have two minutes. Okay. Mr. Fox. Okay. I tried to get this through channels. I sent it to the appropriate people, but I didn't see in the agenda. So, I just want to make sure
that it's brought up. I think this is very very serious. This is a a scam that an applicant's getting when they apply to our planning board get asking for fees for their work. Okay, I've blotted out the names, but it's really clever. I
mean, the email address is uh planning.gov us.com instead of, you know, they they've changed little things. So, we don't char unless Jed start something new. I don't believe we charge for advice and everyone's starting to get these things. So, we I want the public
to know that if you apply for it, you're going to you could get one of these letters and I they're looking for tens of thousands of dollars. You know, they're looking for legal review. Uh it's it's just amazing. And it says you got to do it or you basically didn't hurry your permit along. You got to send
your and your money in. And it's happening. I think there's more than one person in the audience right now that got one of this. this week. So, it's really really current. And the the main point is we're not the Falmouth Planning and Zoning Commission, okay? That's a dead giveaway. We're just the Falmouth
Planning Board. And we don't charge for advice for it. So, if you're getting a bill from a third party, makes it look like the account. It's a scam. And be careful. And I was I was in shock when this was brought to my attention. And it's a brand it's a current hearing. So,
it's happening right now. So, they just wanted to bring it out and everyone should be aware and I hope hopefully the people at home pay attention to this. But, uh, Jed doesn't charge money for advice. Okay, that's all I want to say. Thank you very much, Jim. We can't discuss invoice. You showed an invoice.
Next page. What is that? I was being careful. It doesn't have any private names. This is I I think I took them all off, Paul. I just don't want to go too far. They sent an invoice with an email where it's supposed to be sent and and all kinds of information. Uh, I think I deleted everything so I didn't
want it to be public, but it's uh just I just I was shocked when I saw this and it was a close friend, someone I know well and uh I'm sure there's probably more than one person here tonight that it's happened to already. So, look out. Okay, terrific. Thank you, Jim. Very
much appreciated. Why not? So, um we're going to uh see if there's any uh comments on the on the minutes for Jeez, which one? I sent it to the Jed and John. They didn't say anything, so I
decided to do it myself. I don't So, Mr. Chair, I looked over the minutes. Um, just checking with any of the board members if they have any changes they'd like to make. This is for the June 10th hearing. June 10th. Yes.
No comments. Okay. I think they're they're approved then. Okay. We take a vote. Make a motion. Take a vote. Make a motion that we approve the minutes of June 10th, 2025 as written. So moved. Second. All in favor? I. I. Unanimous.
So, our first public hearing this evening, uh, bond. Bond release. A bond release. What if we don't want to do a bond release? Keep it. Okay, we'll do the bond release. Is that something that Melinda does? Oh,
well done. So, the applicant for Clam Lane has come and requested the bond release. Um, in the amount of I believe it was $26,000. Um, engineering's gone out. Um, there are a few minor issues, but nothing to
hold up the bond release. And, uh, we are going to contact the applicant. He's very aware of of the the minor issues, but um, my recommendation is that you as a board release the full bond amount. So moved. Second. Second. Thank you. All in
favor or I have a question on that. Okay. The applicant says it's 961 Sandwich Road. This says 955 Sage Road. Is that the same? We're not there yet. We're not there. That's a Oh, the next one. Okay.
Sorry. Okay. So, we'll have our uh first public hearing. And the applicant is maner emiritz. And I think we have a continue. It's
confusing. Look at the agenda I have in my paper. Let's see. Where is that? A minute. Okay. I move that we accept the applicant's request, excuse me, to continue this hearing for two weeks
until Tuesday, July 8th. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I I I unanimous. Okay. Our second public hearing is for Luc Lucilena
Pereira. The podium, please. The first before that. Yeah. Use the mouse to scroll down. Mr. Chair, if I may. Yes. So, at the last meeting, you folks discussed the application, heard from the public, and
I believe um we're going to visit the site because there were some concerns about parking in the front yard, space in the driveway, etc. Um, I communicated with the applicant in between the two hearings and there's an email in your
um, packet which indicates some responses to questions that I had based on the input that you folks had provided at the last meetings. It might be good to read that response into the record uh, for the good of the folks who are watching at home and perhaps the folks
who are in the audience. Okay. Um, the email that Jed had sent said, "My understanding was that the board had concerns about the parking, number of people in each unit, people
potentially living in the basement. They intend to drive by your property to see what it looks like in order to determine if they should require anything further. Can you confirm the following so I can provide it to the board in advance of the meeting? One, a total of three cars will need to be accommodated in the
driveway. two cars for the first level and one car for the upstairs one bedroom one-bedroom apartment. Two, the dirt driveway in the front yard will be removed and the lawn will be receded. There will be no parking of vehicles on the front lawn. Three, the first floor
unit will have a total of three people living in it. The second floor unit will have two people and the basement will have no one living in it. Four, the bathroom in the basement has been removed. And she replied, correct except number four. I did not remove the bathroom. When I removed all from my
basement, they said the bathroom could stay. And so that's the content of the email. Okay. Thank you. So the bathroom in the basement, is it a requirement that it gets removed then?
No, it is not. So it is not. Okay. So um are we at the point where we need to ask any more from the applicant or or read the uh that's up to you. So, we prepared I went ahead and prepared a decision a draft motion for you considering uh the
answers u provided in the email. Um some of the information that was inside of the email made its way into your draft motion. Um so it really is up to you if you're ready to approve the application as presented or ask other questions of the
Okay. So I'll ask um Charlotte, do you have any uh further questions? Uh I do not. Um Mr. Sin and I did go on a site visit and we subsequently went to visit with the building commissioner and learned that they have followed all the procedures and have work with the
building commissioner on this. Um and therefore there's nothing in the bylaws to prevent this from going forward, but it would be good to be listening to uh the neighbors and addressing their concerns. It is a neighborhood and being neighborly isn't a bylaw, but it's
certainly common courtesy. Yes. All right. Thank you. Um, yeah. Uh, I was concerned with some of the things that the, uh, neighbors brought up, especially the number of people that were living there. And, uh, you know, of course, it's it's hearsay, but, uh, it made me decide to look up, uh,
differences in, uh, lodging, what a lodging house is versus a roaming house. And, uh, and that there are regulations and licenses required for that. Uh but since uh we are uh setting a limit on the number of people that are going to be living in that house, I don't think
that's going to be an issue. Thank you, Jim. I think uh we used to require when we looked at special permits, we talked about screening. I maybe that's gone away, but I think there's very easily for either a fence or plantings could
along the driveway for extra cars wouldn't be much money. Would really help with the neighborhood. And I I I kind of hope we have the ability to do that. And if we don't, I think we're in big trouble. Uh well, I think we should do it anyway and have the state take it back. I'd like I really feel that
strongly about it because if in fact we are going to just let anything happen, I would rather go down in flames and be criticized for it than not do it. I think it's wrong not to make a simple accommodation to to block out if they're going to be parking extra cars to have
just a few trees in a fence. neighbors on either side have them. They have some fence. They just need to extend it. It's not a big deal. I think we should require it. And if we can't do it, we can't do it. But that's my opinion. According to the state, we can't um require anything that you would not
require of a regular single family house construction and we do not get involved in single family house construction. But we do get involved in but not the screening is not part of it. We would not ask a single family house to screen their driveway. Well, we never did it. So, you cannot ask that's a
We never reviewed a single family home before for landscaping. Never, ever, ever. But we've always reviewed a special permit for landscaping. Yep. And the state has now changed that and it's not a requirement anymore from us.
Quite possibly the applicant will do some landscaping there. You can you can recommend it. I have thought I just did. Pat, I'm sorry. The last thing you said, oh uh above safety, you can recommend
it. That they can recommend it, but it's not a requirement, right? Yeah. And that's just what I would have said also that it's neighborly to cooperate. And if
your neighbors would like to see some trees planted along there to screen the view, they're not that expensive and they grow fast. So that would be neighborly. We can't require it. Yeah. She wants to say that when she
first bought this place, the place was mention I'm sorry. Uh the I'm just translating exactly what she's saying. Can you give us your name for Can you give us your name for the record, please? Joseph Depala. Thank
you. Okay. and she said, uh, since she got this property, it's getting better because the place was horrible. And she's just trying to get things in place and she is okay with the landscaping.
She will do it. I realize that. I remember what she said, how she's been working to improve the place since she bought it, and I do appreciate that. This is a suggestion that would be coming from the board. Thank you and we
hope you continue. John, can I just mention one more thing? Um, so the planning board cannot limit the number of occupants in the house. She has stated how many. So in our findings, we can say how many are going to be there, but we can't put
restrictions on that through our permit. So in the findings we're going to say that what what was said here how many people will be in the house but it won't be a condition. Okay. So that would still uh because we're complaint driven that would be up to the neighbors if
they felt that it was uh it was becoming a rooming house they would have to file a complaint. Yes. And then it would be investigated and then if it is has turned into a rooming house we would have to go through all the permitting and Yep. whatever requirements to
rectify it. Mhm. Okay. And the complaint would go to the building department. And the complaint would go to the building department. Okay. Thank you, Tom. I thought this was very thorough what you wrote up. I just want to point out number six, the sixth condition that weekly and monthly monthly rentals are
not allowed. That's all you She knows that. Okay. Is it a minimum of six months? Is that going to be weekly and monthly? So, technically, no. It can't be a minimum of six months because the attorney general didn't allow that uh language.
So, the only thing we can say at this point is weekly and monthly rentals are prohibited and it cannot be used as a commercial accommodation at any time. As commercial accommodation, correct? Okay. Thank you. No point, Paul.
Come down the end of the line. Miss Candy and they say the last will be first. Get ready next hearing. I'd just like to say again that this applicant really spent a lot of time in the building commissioner's office
trying to get it right and that's a good way to do. So thank you. We're ready for a motion. Okay. I would recommend, Mr. Chair, uh that you read the entire uh decision into the record because there are some areas that we didn't highlight that are
important findings. There's public comment. Okay. And don't forget about public comment. I'm sorry. So before we Yes. Before you do that, so before we take public comment, I want to say to the public, this applicant and all the the ADU
applicants will have to have um go through the assessor's office for a permit. They're going to have to go through the building permit, building department for a full inspection, and they're going to have to have rental registration with the town.
And if anyone from the audience would like to speak, come to the podium, please. and state your name. We're gonna let this gentleman talk. Yes. Yeah. I just want to tell you thank you
very much because I was at the last meeting and I had my concern Steve Dennison from 12 Deepwood Drive. I just want to say thank you for I went to the building department. I went to the zoning board. I went over all the concerns that I did have and they
addressed all of the problems that I had and that they were going to rectify it. The only problem, the only problem that I had was the health department that planning board has to do the uh enhanced nitrogen septic tank and they told me to bring that up just to make sure that was one
of the stipulations. But everything else was addressed through the through the building department and cuz they told me it was on it was uh it was uh 9B. It says septic system must be enhanced nitrogen
approval through the planning board. And that's the only huge the only problem that came up. Everything else was addressed and I'm thanks for bringing it up. Thank you. So according to our board of health referral, there does not need to be a
denitrification septic system upgrade. So did you did you hear what what Melinda said? No, I didn't hear that. So according to our board of health referral, um we do they do not have to do a denitrification septic upgrade. But it says right here on the on the
application through the planning board, it's nine. And it says all ADUs must have nitrogen enhancement system. Where did you get that? It's right on the line. It's right online. It's a procedure for the Tom planning
accessories dwelling application checklist. Okay. You can go right on your own website and bring it up. We'll look into it. All right. We'll take a look. Thank you. Okay. Yes. Thank you. Yes. I'm familiar with this. It's if
you're adding a bedroom, but when they're taking one away and they're keeping the bedrooms the same, the board of health doesn't get involved. But if you are adding the flow, then you then it has to as long Yeah. If they're current, if there's an increase, and they use the term flow, which is 110
gallons per bedroom. And I'm trying to do it. And if you increase the flow, you need to But if you keep it the same by taking out a wall and keeping the bedrooms the same, that's how you get around it. And I think that's that could be what's causing the confusion here.
Well, it's on the application that they that the board of health will determine determine whether it needs it or not. And and what we have here, the board of health has determined that this house does not require, but it is on the application process.
Are we ready for you? Okay. Bob, please. Draft June 20th, 2025. Motion that the planning board votes to approve the application of Luciana Pereira for the construction of an attached one-bedroom accessory dwelling unit located at 15 Deepwood Drive under
section 240 12.2 site plan review of the zoning bylaw for plans entitled site plan for Luca Pereira 15 deepwood drive found with mass prepared by Warwick and Associates Inc. Scale of 1 in equals 20 ft. Dated December 17th, 2024. ADU
building elevations and floor plans. Praer residence 15 deeper drive east found with mass 02536. Two sheets prepared by Frank J. Guy architecture and lighting design scale as noted dated May 20th, 2024 with the following findings and conditions. Findings
property description and current state. The 16,000 plus or minus square foot property is located in the residential CRC zoning district and in a coastal pond great pond overlay district. The property currently contains 288 square ft of single family dwelling. Proposal
general. The applicant is proposing to construct a one-bedroom accessory dwelling unit within the existing single family dwelling occupying the second floor. The accessory dwelling unit proposed at 888 square ft will be 32% of the principal dwelling. Principal dwelling currently has three bedrooms,
two on the first floor and one on the second floor. With the ADU approval, the total bedroom count for the property will remain at three bedrooms. The applicant indicated that she is renting the two-bedroom unit on the first floor of the existing dwelling, and the current occupancy is three people. There are currently no residential units in
the basement of the dwelling, nor does the applicant intend to provide them in the future. Proposal parking. A total of three vehicles will need to be accommodated in the existing driveway. two vehicles for the first floor, two-bedroom unit, and one vehicle for the second floor, one-bedroom unit.
Although vehicles currently parking parking in in formal driveway located across the front yard, the applicant stated that this will no longer be allowed and the area will be loaned and seated. The site plan existing photographs show ample room for the vehicle parking for both units.
Therefore, complying with section 249.1C and section 24014.1E of the zoning bylaw, respectively. Proposal wastewater. The existing septic system is suitable for three bedrooms and the applicant intends to keep the existing three-bedroom count on the
property. Therefore, no alterations to the septic system are needed. Proposal. The architectural style building elevations floor plans. The architectural effect is incidental to and in the same came and in the same character of the existing primary dwelling. Therefore,
the application exam ex complies with the section 249.1D of the zoning bylaw. A butter and public comments. Although there were letters of opposition received and comments made during the board's public meeting, the board has determined that the applicant has adequately addressed the issues
raised. Board's general finding department review. The town of Falmouth departments have reviewed and commented on the above mentioned application and the board finds no outstanding issues. Board general finding building code and zoning review. The planning board's
review and approval does not include building code and zoning review and the board refers that to the building commissioner. Board general finding compliance with ADU and site plan review bylaw. The board finds that the information provided by the applicant conforms to all the requirements of
sections 249.1 and section 240 12.2 of the zoning bylaw. Conditions one, standard condition modifications. The plan shall be constructed as approved. Any changes shall be reviewed by the planning board to determine if modification of this decision is necessary pursuant to section 240 2.2 C
2.1C2 of the zoning bylaw. No permit for occupancy of the new construction shall be issued until the planning board is satisfied that the conditions of this approval have been met. Two, standard condition storm water. The project must not direct any storm water runoff to public property but is a public right
away. Three, standard condition utilities. any connections or alteration to public utilities would require permission from the appropriate town department for standard condition addressing the applicant. The applicant shall see the engineering division for address assignment for the new unit prior to applying for a building permit.
Upon completion of construction, the applicant shall post the address for the building per section 991 of the zoning the town code. Five, standard condition building code. The project shall meet all applicable standards set forth in the building code as determined by the building commissioner. Six standard
condition ADU rental weekly monthly rentals so-called summer rentals are expressly prohibited. Neither the principal dwelling nor the accessory dwelling shall be used as commercial accommodations at any time. Seven. Standard condition lapse pursuant to section 240 12.2 of the zoning bylaw.
The site plan review decision shall lapse three years from the date it is granted if substantial use thereof of has not sooner commenced except for good cause. The determination of good cause shall be made by the planning board. Eight. Standard condition assesses office inspection. The applicant shall
contact the assessor's office for an inspection of the ADU prior to of occupancy. Nine special condition rental permit. The applicant shall obtain the required rental registrations from the health department prior to renting the ADU on the second floor in the residential unit on the first floor. 10.
Special condition driveway. The dirt driveway in the front yard will be removed and the lawn will be receded. There will be no parking of vehicles on the front lawn. Second. Any discussion? No discussion. All in favor? You have a question? No.
Okay. You're the first one to say I. Oh, second. Do a second. Second. Okay. All in favor? I. Unanimous. John, could we hand a copy of this to them because it would be easier for him to follow.
I think Melinda will take care of that for her. What am I going to take care of? I didn't hear that. She'll need a copy of this decision. Oh, yeah. She'll get it. Does she have to get any We'll We'll be in touch. Yeah. Thank you.
Okay. Next hearing will be for Carlos Santos. site plan review. How do I put the next one here? Yeah, put the next one. There you go. This was the same thing. Last week we
were here. My name is Bellini Faria. Last, no, like two weeks ago we were here. you guys will be doing a a drive by to look at the dry driveway because of the dumpster. So, we're just here to get you guys position on it. Um, so I talked with the board of health
and the town doesn't have any requirements for dumpsters. No, I mean permits. There's no one that issues a permit for a dumpster. So, they're allowed to have it. Yes. Every time I've got a dumpster, I had to get a permit from the fire department. So, I disagree
with that. Okay. Um I believe if you look hard, you'll see it is required. If it's if it's big, it's only four. If it's bigger than four, you need it. I called the fire department. They went there. Anything else, Melinda?
Um, no. Not not about the dumpster. Okay. Is there something? Start with Paul. Paul, any questions or comments? Tom, um I know I actually talked to Melinda today. Just want to hear you one more
time. What's going in the dumpster? Are you throwing any of your household trash into the dumpster? Yes, you are. I get it picked up every week. Okay. you know, I involved in construction,
some of those things aren't really sealed and it draws rodents, you know, unlike a a plastic barrel, you know. No, I understand. But it's rodents. Like I started having a problem after my neighbor got a chicken coupe. But um you know what I mean? Chicken coops attract
rodents also, but it's his yard. So it's like right behind my house and why am I going to tell you talking about the dumpster? Yeah. Yeah. at all. I'm just saying like that's all. You know, if you're allowed, you're allowed. Yeah. Thank you, Tom. Yeah. Pat, it's a comment like I made before. You live in
a neighborhood. You want to live peacefully with your neighbors. They're saying that the lid is always open. Uhhuh. Every time it's used, try to make sure it's closed. No, I'll make sure it's closed. I just like you said, everybody's talking about the neighbor, but the first time the neighbor came
over to say something was to complain about the dumpster. She did. I I was there for like two years. Nobody ever steps say, "Hey, are you living here?" So, you know what I mean? I will do my best to keep it closed. I I I take care of the yard, but I work also work a lot. I get home like right now. I was still
coming from work. I get home every day like 7 o'clock at night. So, it's kind of like I'm doing my best. So, I know I live by a chicken coop, too. Yeah. So, you know, I occasionally get their eggs. Yeah. That's nice. I haven't got any yet, so I might ask. A lot of the fouryard
dumpsters come with a bar and Yeah. No. Yeah. They just changed it and a lock if you want to put a lock on. This one doesn't have the lock. We has the bar. Before they didn't have the bar and I asked for a new one. Now we have the bar. It may have the opening for the lock. You have to buy your own lock, but may that may help. Not may would keep
the lid closed. Yeah. No, I'll make sure the the lid will stay closed. I'll close it myself. Yeah. Have you made any accommodations to uh manage the runoff so it isn't running into the public way or into the neighbors? Any down below of the on the site plan, have you made
any accommodations to make sure there isn't any runoff from from roof from the roof drains to the either the neighbors or the street? Well, I don't think that was an issue. Was that I thought I just heard it read as a requirement in the last finding that is a requirement.
That's why I brought it up. Yeah. Um, that's only if they're doing new construction that the that we get involved with drywalls or drainage or That's why I just asked are they are they doing it? No, it's already they're not doing any construction. You're saying if it's new construction,
correct? Or an addition? Correct. Yep. He's not doing any any construction. No additional entryway or anything. Nothing need a building permit. It is what it is. It's there. He's just coming to get it permitted. So they can build it without a permit.
It wasn't have to do and then come in. We let them do it after. It wasn't actually built downstairs was already just a rooms like it was open rooms. We don't have to have this discussion. Yeah. I just thought I thought it was a requirement. I must have misunderstood what I heard the last You thought you needed to put some drywalls in where
gutters come down and No, when I bought the house, everything was already there. The fire department came over. Everything's the the same way. So now I'm just trying to legalize, put the doors, close the doors and things like that. It's not It's not a concern. Yes. Standard condition. Um uh No, I mean I
wouldn't want to have a dumpster next door to my house, but you know, if it's legal and the neighbors aren't knocking your door down over it, I can't I can't say anything. So, it I can see why the neighbors object. It may be a small for a dumpster, but it looks big in that
yard. And it's got a great big commercial sign on it. I think it's the big black and white lettering that Yeah, that's for the So that some way to screen it as a courtesy would be good. But the thing I particularly wanted to say is that the neighbors when they came two weeks ago to this hearing, they were
saying they were concerned that no inspections had been made. So when Mr. Z and I went to visit with the we went to your site, we went to the other site and then we went to get a lesson from the building commissioner about process. In fact, all the inspections were made.
Yeah, it's been inspected several times. So, there was no failure on the part of the town through the the inspections that were required in order for us to arrive at this point at this hearing. And I just wanted that to be a public thing that our building department and
inspectors are doing their job, including health department. Yes. Every single one that signs off. Building conservation, but particularly the building department is really responsible for the main things that we can see and that function. Yes, the inspections have all been made. Thank
you very much for that. Any other comments? Uh Bob, you want to read? Uh okay. Draft. Mr. Chair, before you start, I apologize for interrupting. Um just an error in the um draft motion. So the
name of the applicant is Carlos Santos. Okay. We had two different names on applications, but we've cleared it up with the permanentized application that is Carlos Samos. Okay. Because Yeah, that's what it said on the agenda. Yeah. And I'm glad because I have to try and
pronounce the other name. I was going to too, but let's just go. Didn't take public comment. Okay. Yeah. You just want me to read the red again. Not to forget public comment. Meinda's doing an excellent job of reminding us. I forget the public's here. Uh, anyone in the in the audience like
to make any uh statements or have any comments or any questions? If you do step up to the podium? No. Okay. Thank you. Just the red. Mhm. Okay. Draft June
20th, 2025. Motion that the planning board votes to approve the application of Carlos Santos for the construction of an attached two-bedroom accessory dwelling unit located at 116 Jamie Lane under section 240 12.2 site plan review of the zoning bylaw
with the following findings and conditions. The applicant is proposing to formalize an existing two-bedroom accessory dwelling unit within the existing single family dwelling occupying the lower level. The accessory dwelling unit proposed at 852 ft will be
38% of the principal dwelling. Parking site plan and existing photographs show ample room for vehicle parking for the proposed ADU and existing dwelling unit. Therefore, complying with section 249.1C and 240 14.1E of the zoning bylaw,
respectively. Uh a butter and public comment. Although there were letters of opposition received and comments made during the board's public meeting, the board has determined that the applicant has adequately addressed the issues raised. General board finding. Uh the board
finds to the information provided by the applicant conforms to all the requirements of section 249.1 and 240 12.2 of the zoning bylaw. Conditions. One, the plan shall be constructed as approved. Any changes shall be reviewed by the planning board to determine if a modification of this decision is
necessary. Two, the project must not direct any storm water runoff to public property above as a public right away. Three, any connections or alterations to public utilities would require permission from the appropriate town departments. Four, the engineering divi division for address. The applicant
shall see the engineering division for address assignment for the new unit prior to applying for a building permit. Upon completion of the construction, the applicant shall post the address for this building per section 991 of the town code. Five, the project shall meet
all applicable standards set forth in the building code as determined by the building commissioner. Six, weekly monthly rental so-called summer rentals are expressly prohibited. Seven, the section 240 2.2
of the zoning bylaw, the site plan review decision shall lapse three years from the date it is granted if substantial use thereof has not soon a commence except for good cause. The determination of good cause shall be made by the planning board. Eight, the applicant shall contact the
assessor's office for an inspection of the ADU prior to certificate of occupancy. Nine, special condition rental permit. The applicant shall obtain the required rental registration from the health department prior to renting the ADU. Second. Any other comments? Yes, Jim. Am I to
understand that special condition number two is inappropriate? You can strike it if you'd like. We put it in as a standard uh condition for all ADUs. But to the point that you made earlier, if if you'd like to strike that one, which is the storm water that the
project must not direct storm water onto a budding property or the rightway, it kind of says must. So I think it, you know, I got an unclear message if from our staff saying we can't do it. And yet I didn't say we can't do it. I said it's for new construction.
So, we typically handle dry wells for new construction. It's in the It's in this permit. We put in the condition. I'm confused. I'm just saying I'm confused by what's going on. It's a standard condition. So, if someone was to come here and had to do any kind of addition or construction that it's in
your decision. Is it possible in the future for this type of au where it already exists that it isn't part of our decision? Yes. Leave that one sentence out. Yep. Yeah. Would you like to remove it this evening? Because
you can would like to remove it. Okay. Please consider it done. John, because you can't have it both ways. Yes. The applicant said that these storm water drains, whatever they're called, were already there when it was inspected and
the building inspector told him that. So, it was already conforming. So, I think that it must conform, but it's because it was already there. It's not a particular thing he had to address, but it's still true that it has to be there. I don't think we should take it out. I
think we should just understand it better. Yeah. to to res if I may respond. Uh it is simply just a standard condition that we put into all of your um your motions because as a general rule any
application and any permit that you or any application that you approve um all applicants are to are to keep their storm water on their site. So we simply just add it into every application as a way for as as someone used to say belt
and suspenders, right? So we used to we just put it in there to make sure that it's crystal clear that all storm water stays on site. And that's if you're adding roof area, it's the roof area that collects the rain water that you then have to take care of. So So if you're not adding roof area y and the
existing property already conforms, then you don't have to worry about that. Yeah. So, I want a clarification from the applicant. The discussion we're having is dry wells for where the gutters come down. Do they have does every gutter have a dry well
on it? Well, I have a builder. I'm just here representing the house, but I have a builder that's doing everything. My understanding. What you said earlier was whatever is there is there when you bought the house. Yeah. I was It's not You have not made any improvements or
No. Okay. I I don't think that's what he said that there are dry wells there. He said that it was that was the way it was when he bought it and it wasn't a problem. If you're comfortable, I would recommend that you strike the condition and that
you move on because this is, as we've talked about, this is just interior renovation. Um it's not an exterior construction project. So therefore, there wouldn't be any reason to do or mitigate any storm water. So we can't make it make it a condition. You
certainly can add it as a condition. It's it's a blanket condition that we recommend you have in there, but if you'd like to strike it, you can do that. I would recommend you keep it. Keep it in the decision. Keep it in. So he'll have to add drywalls. Nope. Nope.
You're just keeping storm water on site. That's all it says. It can be done with BMS all different ways. You don't need dry wells. There's many, many ways she can do it. All right. So, you'd like to leave it in their decision. I think we should leave it in. It's a standard condition. Yeah.
Everyone feels that way. That's just so water doesn't go on the neighbors. Yeah. Right. I'm far from the neighbor, so I don't think it's going into the road and it's a flat. Yeah. I'm far from the road, too. So, I don't think Leave it any leave it as written.
Yeah. See, I'm like, so can I get a motion? I don't get any. Um, we had a motion. We had a second. We moved and seconded. Okay. All in favor? I I I unanimous.
Okay. All set. Thank you. Have a good night. Yeah. Thank you. He went out into the hall. So the next hearing the applicant is Edward Maritz.
If I have to leave the roomathy I get in my legs. Okay. [Applause] So this is a new hearing site plan review application to construct an attached accessory dwelling. Tom
read. Yep. This was published in the paper or this was actually published through regular mail. Uh 28 of Butters um were sent this notice. Just for clarification purposes, uh you may be reading the wrong uh notice. This
was published in the enterprise on June 6th and 45uts were sent a notice by regular mail. Okay. This for the dwelling at 23 atwater 5 and she and whoever's here to present for the
applicant boarding please and your name. Hi, my name is Ed Moritz and I'm the owner of 23 Atwater Drive and we have submitted the application for the ADU. Um,
really not sure how to use this. Um, the house was built in 1988. It's a split entry. It's a five bedroomedroom. Um, two downstairs, three upstairs. That's the uh is that the septic? Yes,
that's a lot part. Um everything that's downstairs was installed in 1988. Um I don't know. This is just basically the uh
well that's a septic system for five bedrooms and then the to excuse these plans. These were subject to rain and everything else when we were building the house. How does this work?
Oh, here we go. Oh, that one had to go. Okay, let's go to the pictures, I guess. I took two pictures at the bottom there. One shows the driveway, the trucks and the boats on the left are on the next property which I also own. That's a
clear driveway that goes what you see on the other one is the back of the house where the rear entry is. The house is on a slope so that the exit door comes straight out and is part of the foundation and the
front door access is on the bottom picture to the right of the car that you see, but that's the picture of the driveway. Um, there's plenty of room for like six or eight cars there. The traffic on the left is on the next
property. Let me go back up here. These are the blueprints that have been saved since 1988. I can't read them myself because of the age that they are.
Um, this bottom print here is this first floor which has our living room, kitchen back and forth. It's a key ceiling front to back that's already there. Um, let's see
if we move further up. Come on, move. [Applause] Okay. Uh, you'll see that's the front of the house and the side, the elevations,
and the next page should show the basement area. There it goes. This is the basement down here. Front bedroom, back bedroom, boiler room,
storage area. This area right here is the utility closet for the electric panel and the water service. It is not a bedroom. Over here, we have a full bath. There's
a there's a an area right here for a washing machine. And here's a full bath right there. And then this area
was allocated to have if uh for a refrigerator and a stove. And this is a countertop with a sink. All of this was installed in 1988. um
for the last two months now. Um the house is built in 88 and everything below level of the land. I removed all of the rugs and the hydrotherm covers for the
heating system because of the amount of moisture down there caused it to get all rusty. So, we've for the last two months I've been working on it to take it apart, new carpeting, paint,
um the bathroom for a vanity, the tub has remained. I'm going to replace the toilet and tub around and new uh sheetrock around the tub and new cabinets
for this area right here. and a new sink. It's all shown a sign of age due to the moisturous condition down there, but that's been over a period of
24 and 12 30 60 40 years. And we've just installed an entire AC system to the house basically for upstairs. But in the bedrooms downstairs and all
the rooms downstairs are casement windows which satisfied the fire code ex um exit for minimum 5.4 square ft. So, in one bedroom, I removed one of the
windows to put a double hung in for an AC and another one on the west side for an AC. And we're going to put another There's a double hung here for an AC. A double
hung here for I'm going to put one in this casement stays. That'll be the fire exit to satisfy the fire code. This one over here satisfies the fire code. That's the casement. This was all designed back in ' 88
uh to satisfy those conditions. And then this window over here was taken out and a double hung put in for AC downstairs. And here's another casement that stays. This whole area is front to back. currently the um it was a week ago
Friday I had Empire come in carpet through here the two bedrooms down the hallway and stopped this whole area now is snap in flooring and the bathroom and laundry area here
is lenolum um as I've said I've been working on it two months so took everything apart it's been painted up the lights painted everything put everything back together upgrade and anything that seemed to be questionable.
Um, the application to the building commissioner established the fact that there was about 800 and 61. Thank you. You're welcome. So, it was
under 900 to satisfy the condition that led to the application. you'll excuse me. This is um the only question that I had and being a contractor myself was that the fire alarm system was installed in
88. The two bedrooms do not have their own alarms on the ceilings, but I have purchased those. I also purchased the carbon monoxide combination smoke detector.
So, I understand from listening earlier that inspections are going to be made anyway to go through to make sure everything is viable. So when the fire department tells me where to put them, they'll get installed. Um, and I was doing the work on the tub.
There's a pipe in there that had a label on it that was signed by the plumbing inspector. All of this was approved as it existed as how you see the layout in 1988.
Um, and I just point out this is the lower exit. As the land slopes, uh, you can walk straight out. And then here's the upper exit entrance to come down the stairs and enter the area.
And this smaller area will remain not a bedroom. So, it's just two bedrooms, to boiler room, laundry, bath, um, and front to back right here for kitchen and living room area.
Um, if I haven't touched on anything, as I said earlier, the septic was approved. Let me just go back to that. There's the site plan showing the house and the setbacks.
And here we have the original septic and it's still operable. I think we we may had some comments on the septic but do you want to uh do the referrals please? Yeah. So, we got a referral from the health department and
mass DP um recently produced guidelines regarding ADUs and um they require uh two compartment tank or two tanks in series. So, you'll have to do those modifications to your septic system.
Can you tell me what that entails because I don't understand the two tank thing. You'll have to talk to the board of health. Okay. cuz I don't know any more than what I just told you. So, it seems to me they want to redo the septic. I think you just have to add
something to your existing septic system. Add another tank. Pardon me. You'll just add another tank to it. Okay. Yeah. Well, there is a well just as point of reference inter uh information, there is an existing spot
if you go down the driveway into that area where the alternate site was established when they did the plan. So, I don't know if that'll happen. You'll have to talk to the health department. Yeah. Talk to the health department. That's fine. And regarding your smoke detectors, talk to the fire department before they come for the inspection.
Sure. Okay. So any discussion here? Uh not really. But I have a question. In the photograph um that we had in advance, it looks as if and you showed this photograph. I think looks as if some big metal box is
blocking that's plastic storage underneath my desk. But it's there. Pardon me. And it appears Wouldn't that be blocking the windows in one of the bedrooms? No, it's at least six feet between that and the deck and the and the window.
There's plenty of room to get out. It's hard to tell in the picture. Thank you. But that was my only Well, there's m there's actually two storage boxes. One sits like this and the other one like that. And the window is a few feet over.
Basically, it's kids bicycles and beach stuff for, you know, that's what we use for storage. Thank you. [Applause] Yeah. So you don't see the window was over and back. This box comes like that
and that box goes like that. So the window has plenty of room to open. So for exit through the house this can't tell by that. It's just to see. It is a little Okay. I could take another picture and
supply it to the board. No need. That's okay. I understand. Thank you. And uh the cycling and the trash is in a nice location as well. So, I'm fine with that. I I do see the space behind the uh
storage boxes. Uh the driveway uh looks adequate. You can't really tell because that picture I thought I had included the whole front of the house, but there's room for four cars in front of the front door. And is that is that pavement or is that gravel? That's just
peace stone. Peace. But we have the storage for our trash under the deck. Yeah. At the lower landing, there's two cement burns that come out on either side of the door. And there's room for rabbit rubbish barrels there. Mhm.
And there are steps that come up, um, landscape steps and a handrail to come up onto the pathway to go and bring other things out to the front uh, to the street for trash removal. Yeah.
Okay. Thank you, Jim. Yeah. Who um, did the board of health do a bedroom count? I mean, I don't it's not our job, but I I saw a room that wasn't called the bedroom, but has a door privacy and a closet. I was wondering if the board of health went through and looked at that and says that's okay. I would defer to
their judgment, not mine. It's called a storeroom on the plan. The board of health said the plan show a five- bedroomedroom proposal and an existing five- bedroomedroom septic system. So, he agrees that it's five bedrooms.
So, the the room that they call a store room, it has a door and a closet, but that not a bedroom. We thought we'd make them open the door and have a casement. I What do we do that for then? I really am confused by what's going on here. Sir, that storage
is three square feet. It's this wide and this deep. It's It's not sufficient as a closet. It's just an electric panel and a water meter. Talking basement. Yeah, basement. He
took this room right here. Wow, I see a door and I to me I thought anything more than 70 square ft. But I'll defer to the board of health. They should know that, not me. And it's a bedroom if it has privacy. Doesn't even
have to have a closet. That was my understanding, but I could be wrong. But I just wondered if anyone looked at it because it doesn't seem to make sense what my understanding of the rules are. But I must be confused. So are I read your I read his um referral. Yeah. Yeah. The indication is
that they've considered it five bedrooms. Yep. Thank you, Pat. Yeah. I had a question as to the bedroom count because the staff report said four bedrooms, but everything I've seen says five bedrooms. I assume you're making it into a five
bedroom. That's just five bedroom septic on a five- bedroomedroom house. There's five bedrooms indicating Jed. I was hoping you weren't going to bring that up. You know me. I see the dust balls on the floor. That's an error in the staff report.
But, you know, I sort of concur because I don't know. Was that storage room counted as the square footage for the ADU or wasn't it? I don't know. I don't know. All I know is that the health agent did look at
these plans. I saw him look at the plans. I was down in his office and he said that it's five bedrooms and it's proposed and it's five bedroom label as a bedroom. It's labeled as storage. He looks at that stuff though. He's pretty good at at catching stuff. Okay, so that's what I'm questioning. I
understand. Okay. Um none. Okay. Public comment. So, public comment. Anyone in the audience want to come to the ask any questions or make you have comments? Come to the podium, please. And then give your name.
Nobody in the public. So, um we're going to continue this hearing. You can um just close it. Point of clarification. The third bedroom on the first floor is obscured. This is it right here.
One, two, three. I think we I think we all determined that. Yeah. Yeah. I the question was the question of four bedrooms was brought up. I was a little confused by that. It was the staff report as opposed to what it looked like
as a five bedroom. Okay. So, um and and our planner can't count. That's right. Good. Um, you can request us to draft a positive motion for the next meeting if you'd like. Is everyone okay with the
positive motion, Charlotte? Yes. Okay. Yep. Okay. Please. Positive motion. So, for the what we'll do is we'll draft up um a motion for your application. It will be read into the record at the next
meeting which is July 8th. You can attend if you'd like, but you don't have to. But that will be the formal process the board has to approve your application. So it'll give me conditions that I have to meet. Correct. Yeah, that's fine. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you.
In the meantime, you can check with the board of health and see what they're going to require septic about the septic. Absolutely. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. All right. The next hearing is applicant of Donald L site plan review application
to construct a detached accessory dwelling unit at 34 Overlook Circle. And Tom, any notice, please? Yes. Uh Mr. Chairman, 28 of Butters were sent notice by regular mail.
Thank you. Um, can you just confirm the date that it was published in the paper? It's published in the paper on June 6, 2025. Thank you. And for the applicant here to answer your questions. Are you
the applicant? Yes. I'm sorry. Can you just state your name, please, for the record? Okay. Okay. My name is Donald Lun, 34 Overlook Circle, East Fmouth, Massachusetts. Okay. I tell you all that I'm a little hard of hearing, so I don't know what you've been saying.
I cut most of it. Okay. Beware. We'll speak up. I might answer the wrong question. Uh, do you want to put him on the screen or he's up there now? Okay. That is the site plan. If you want, you
can scroll down with the mouse and you can get to the floor plans of the ADU. Okay, there I guess I don't know what you'd like of me. We're trying to build an ADU. Uh I'm
we have a basic K card house. Uh in my age and condition, I can't get upstairs without yanking myself up with uh the uh handrails. I can't carry anything up. And I see in the near future that you know a one place, one floor place like
we're proposing could be good for me. Uh the we could probably do okay in the original house by ourselves, but right now we see uh one we have an older son who's heading for a divorce and it's
quite possible he and his children might be uh looking for a place to stay and we expect that if that happens that they'd come to our house and stay in our house and therefore the need further need for the other place. Now son might not work
out that way. He might not get custody of the kids. Uh but we have if we had a situation like this with an ADU, we have another son ready to move in would love to be there, grew up there and would like to be there. So the need is kind of like twofold. place for old guy like me
and my wife who's catching up to me and a place for one or the other of our three children. Um, okay. I'm not sure what else you might
like to hear from me. We uh I have been following your discussions. Uh uh it's been quite a while going through this permitting and here we are at the planning tonight. Uh somehow right off the bat after we had the engineering
done and all that. Uh the board of health approved a sewage plant and that's supposedly been approved and I guess you probably have a record of that. So maybe that's one thing that's on its way. Um, the other thing is is that I hear
you talking about rentals and rental agreements. Uh, in the near future, if we do this, we have no intention of renting it. It's more like here's the family, provide what it can or might, help us around the house, shovel the driveway,
do the lawn, and stuff like that. We don't see an imminent uh rental agreement to anybody. Well, I don't know how you you'd handle that, but that's where we're at. Okay. Uh, thank you.
So, here in the application 33 We're just discussing the the uh question about on the application the size of the ADU. Okay. And what the plan shows seems to be a discrepancy. Okay.
Yeah. I I can't figure it out because in the application it said 700 square ft and in the stack report it says 832. And then I look at
the 832 is more likely to be true because when I looked at the plan so what's written on the application is information from the applicant. What's written in the staff report is the the
calculations that the staff calculated from the plan you because I'm also looking at the basement. It's 835 square ft on here. So 832 is likely to be true, right? Okay. And then I'm not sure how this is going
to happen. That's the thing. It looks like there's a house already there and then there's a garage slab going to be made. an increased gravel driveway and
I don't know what's going on. That's that's the thing. So, it's a detached ADU with a garage on the side, which would be the front-facing portion of the structure to the house. So, it's ultimately a long rectangle. Half of
it's garage, half of its ADU. Or not half, but a portion is garage, a portion is the ADU. Okay. So, where does the bulkhead go to? Is the ADU down the basement or is there going to be a basement under the ADU? I'm trying to figure it out. You can ask the
applicant. Yes, please. Yeah, I'm sure you can. You can say it's a podium because we're televised and people at home can't hear you. Oh, sorry. Sorry. We just need you to speak into
the microphone, that's all. Is this close enough for that thing? Yes. Okay. Thanks. In a basement of any place, if it has a clear height, I don't know what it is, 3 ft or something like that, you need to have access. I think you people who have building
experience understand what I'm saying. So, there's a bulkhead on the back, but access to this crawl spacey basement. Wow. Oh, it's a crawl space. It's a crawl space. It's not a standup thing. You can Okay. Somewhere in one of those plans we paid for, there's a height of
the basement walls, Mike. Okay. Thank you. It in fact, it's uh Yeah. Okay. Describes it in a roundabout way. Not a way that I'm used to drafting, but
can you hear me? Right. Fine. Thank you. Yep. Any other questions, Pat? No, that solves my confusion in a multitude of ways. Thank you. Okay. If concrete didn't cost so much, I'd make a full basement, but there you go. Um, yeah.
Hi, Chad Molinda. So, how many bedrooms is a septic? Cuz I'm just Can you help clarify? So, they're adding a new septic for the ADU. Yeah. Um there was a referral from the board of health that I'd like to read out so that everyone is
on the same page. Um so the septic leeching is suit Oh, I'm on the wrong one. Sorry. Thanks. So there's no issues as shown. The applicant proposes a new conventional septic system for the ADU.
The proposed plan will meet current regulations. However, the applicant needs to be aware of the proposed board of health regulation requiring septic system denitrification technology for increases in bedrooms to begin to meet Mass D's
nitrogen reduction requirements. At this point in time, the regulation is under review and has not been through public hearing. If the regulation passes and the building permit is applied for after the start of the date of the regulation, then denitrification
could be required for both the proposed and existing septic systems. Thank you. That that clarifies everything. Okay. Thank you. I might note, if I may, that the building permit was applied for quite a while ago. So
maybe it's before after all these dates. I can't figure that out, but Okay, it's there. Okay, see what happens. Paul, I'm just going to read the same thing. So, uh I think it's a it's a interesting comment, but I don't know the status of
the uh state review, it may take quite a bit of time. So, if the application permit is submitted before then, this would not apply. So, I'd just like to clarify it's not the state review. the our local board of health is under review of their regulations and are
changing them. Um and the public hearing process um has not started I believe or um so it's the local board of health regulation that that needs to meet the state's already reg. So is it is the time when he applies for it or is it
when the permit is issued? It says um applied for. So he says he's already applied for his building permit. So you understand that? I I do. I Okay. Hope you guys got the gist of that. I
don't know. You know, things change, you know, permit wise and all your regulation wise and that's where we were when we started off and I'm be happy if it stayed the same. Okay, great. Thank you, Kim. Any questions? Okay, on that I'm just a
little confused the the calculations on the size. What how big is the main house and how big is the ADU? And does it fit the requirements, the percentage? It you're saying that it all fits? Yes, it all fits. And we're not you're not
counting the the size of the basement or are you now? We are. So now, if that's a crawl space, does it still count? No. It has to be full height. Yep. But then it counts as the size of the house for when you're looking at the proportions of the ADU
and yes, so if you so if you have a th00and square foot house and a,000t basement that's 2,000 ft correct and you can have a 900 foot I just it's all new math to me. It's brand new and I want to understand it. Yep. But a crawl space
doesn't count but a 7 foot high ceiling in the basement. Yeah. There is a calculation for the building height of the basement. And I don't know offhand what it is, but it's whatever the building department would require for um habitable space down there if you were to finish it, I believe. Is that
correct? Does it have to be a concrete floor? It can be a dirt floor. You know, I don't think they specified that. So, I don't know. It'll be interesting. That's why we always ask the applicants to start with the building commissioner to have a
conversation about their plans and make sure that the building commissioner is comfortable with these ADU plans before they get to us because all of those questions can be ironed out with the applicant in his office. I'm just trying to understand I have no problem with this application. I'm just I'm really
learning a lot with the new rules. We all are. Yeah. Well, uh I I thought the calculation went out the window that 900 ft no matter what. Nope. No. Still it's 50% or 900 ft, whichever it is. So, we still do it percentage. Okay. Uh my only
question is on the uh site plan, those two uh reddish uh rectangles, those are the that's the garage and the ADU, right? I I just can't see it. It's so small that I I really can't see it. Okay. So, I I just uh wanted to uh look
at it in relation to the uh main welling unit and how it looks from the street uh because uh that is something we consider is uh how it looks from the street, but uh and it's far back enough so it isn't uh in front of the existing unit. So, I
guess it's okay. He's on a curve in the road right there. Yeah. Yeah. Charlotte. Um, I see that the building commissioner signed off on this on June 9th, very recently, so he's well aware of it. I have a procedural question. Does Mr. W, the applicant, have a copy of the planning board
review? Do you mean the staff report? Yes. Uh, probably not. We neglected to upload it to the permit module, but we plan to do that tomorrow and then email a copy to the applicant. That would be good. that it raises some questions that have
already been addressed here, but you might might want a record of it. So, you'll be receiving the planning board review and have the document. Yep. Thank you. Anyone in the audience want to make any
comments or questions? just come to the podium, please. And your name for the record. Uh, Linda Catalina, 38 Overlook Circle, right next door to the ones. Thank you. My husband, Christopher.
Um, good evening. Good evening. Members of the board. Um, Barbara and Don. um neighbors. It looks like the the plan um isn't going to keep in line with the um the
neighborhood aesthetically. Um Linda and I had one question that we had talked about with Barbara and Don. U most of the um side property line
uh we're direct to butters. Okay, we are on the right side of the new house. Most of the side is pretty enclosed in um pines and rodendrums and uh um can't really see much in there. This maybe the
last 25 ft. Um and we talked with Don and Barbara and um we discussed maybe putting some hemlocks in there or three or four sections of fence. Okay. And that's about it. Other than that, it's
pretty it sits pretty far back from the road. It sits way back from the road. Yes. Yeah. So, but you'd like some additional screening. Is that Yeah. If you know, if possible. I mean, costs are expensive for everything, you know. I understand that. But that's it. And
other than that, you're in support of it? Yes. Yes. Okay. Great. Thank you. Okay. All right. Thank you. So, do we uh close the hearing or So, you can make a recommendation to us to draft a Yeah. Okay. positive motion for
the next meeting. Anybody good? Okay. So, positive motion, please. Okay. So, he doesn't have to attend the next hearing. Nope. So, unless you'd like to. No. So, we're going to read into the record at the
next meeting the decision. You do not need to attend to that. And we'll send you all this information so that you have it. All right. Thank you all. You're welcome. Sure. Yes, sir. Next meeting is July
1st. July 8th. July 8th. But you don't have to attend unless you'd like to. Thank you. So the next application is the next applicant is Raphael Citin.
Citin. Okay. Thank you. Site plan review application to create five unit multif family development and then mix residential and commercial overlay district at 683 Main Street. Your name for the record, please. Hi, my
name is Rafael Zanet. public hearing notice. Thank you. So, um this Yeah, we're proposing we have to do a notice first. Mr. Chairman, the publish date in the enterprise was June 6, 2025. 28 of Butters were sent notice by
regular mail. Thank you. All right. So uh we are proposing converting uh uh mixed use to residential to commercial into a 5-unit
building uh residential. Um each floor first and second floor is going to be two units each with one bedroom roughly 500 ft each unit. First and second floor basement is going to be a two bedrooms unit with roughly 1,000
square ft. So out the on the basement we have a book head which you're going to turn into as we call a dog house where it's going to be the main entrance to the house and uh we're going to have a grass
windows as well and uh the other exit is going to be through the stairs in the back. So, and then each bedroom. Let me see this the first. This is the basement existing. This is the basement proposed. So, here's the bulkhead where it's going to
be the main entrance with a so-called dog house. Here's the other exit. And then the two bedrooms is going to have each one a grass window. Okay. Thank you. Referrals.
Um, were you the building department had some comments on their referral? Are you aware of them? Yes, I spoke to Jad about it about the uh ceiling high. So, I spoke to my engineer. He was wrong. I I just went over there to take the
measurements. We have exactly 7T 4. Okay. So, I asked him to change and send the plans again so I can upload those documents. Okay. He had some questions that that that aren't really um up to us. It's
more to his building code about the window wells and and things just for you to be aware of. Yeah. Which is my code as well. So I'm aware of those. Okay. Um I don't know. So um part of the application as you
know is a requirement to create 25% of the units as affordable. So it is worth noting that um 25% of five ends up being a a decimal and so um we've rounded down
um so instead of it being two units it's the requirement is is one unit is affordable and that's affordable to households earning up to 80% of the AMI. Um the other component that I just want to bring to your attention is the parking plan. So on the site plan itself
uh it appears well the site plan shows uh five spaces which is a requirement for uh the mixed residential and commercial overlay district one space per unit. The application includes three additional uh visitor guest uh or guest
parking spaces which we thought was a great addition. Um and then the last item uh relates to um the waiverss that were submitted for this application. So, as you remember um from town meeting, we
revised the Mr. Cod uh language in November. Um part of the waiver requirements here is for um allowing um uh folks allowing the applicant to not submit a landscaping plan. So,
that's part of your um site plan review uh ability is to wave that requirement because the site itself is essentially asphalt. there's very little landscaping on the site. So, included in your packets this evening is a letter um
asking for the waiver of that landscaping plan. I will note that um so sure where I started, but that there are two special permits that will be required for this application. One is for parking within the front yard and 5T within a property line. Um and the
second will be for a non-conforming setback. So the existing building which they are not proposing to move or change in any way is set back approximately 56 ft I believe from the street. Mr. Cod says that it can be no more than 25 ft,
but there is a relief valve in the bylaw that allows an applicant to apply for a special permit for relief from that requirement. So we notice that late in the process. That's uh my responsibility, but the special permit has been applied for. The hearing will
be opened in on July 22nd. So, you'll be seeing more of the applicant related to those two specific items. But those are the things I wanted to bring to your attention um related to the application. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. So, go to
He Jim was raising his hand. The zoning for this property. What's the current zoning? BR BR. But he's technically applying under the mixed residential and commercial district because if it w I thought if it was if
it was B1 or B2 they would have six or eight units but it's BR. That's why we're doing it under Mr. Cod because can't you in business zone get six units per acre? Yes. And eight with a special permit not even using Mr. Cod. Yes.
Okay. But they're using Mr. COD now because this is BR in that nope just just because they came through as a M mixed. So they could have they they could have avoided the affordable unit by just applying under the regular zoning special permit but oh this is by
right correct that I'm sorry you got it. I was understand trying to figure out what the heck was going on and now I got it. Thank you. Complicated business here. I think it's interesting that we would be asked to wave the landscaping when
the uh the planning board review of this as a general comment is suggesting that you take out some of the asphalt and landscape over there certainly and their their thinking on that is not aesthetic although it certainly would be better looking. Their thinking is that by
reducing the impervious um asphalt the drainage would be better. So what is your reaction to that? So I think that's uh is that about the the drainage for the water to run off? Is that what it is? Yes. So yeah, we have proposed uh
two dry wells in the back of the house that flows all the water back there for the rain. So it's going to be on a in the back of the house. We have uh I would call about 10 ft by 20ish of
like grass. That's where it's going to be. And then we're going to go over everything backwards. We're really not taking anything out. We're putting back all the concrete afterwards. Putting back what? The asphalt. Ah, I wonder have you have you already
seen the planning board review? Yes, I saw roughly. So, you read this this asking you to consider removing the asphalt parking lot? No, on the one side. Just one side. And there's a little diagram
here that would show where it would be. This one here. Yes. This one here. Yeah. Uh why would they ask that? to improve the drainage and probably to
give you some open ground so that you could landscape so that it wouldn't be quite so raw looking. Yeah. For the drain, we're going to do the and then you would need a landscape plan. Yeah. So, for clarity, that is the referral from the engineering division
as a suggestion for the board to consider for landscaping improvements. Um I believe the applicant is looking to put in some storm water mitigation along the west side of the prop east side of the property. Yeah, because on that side as
well is where we're going to do the the egress windows for the basement. So that's going to be that's where is going to be all the the pipes that goes for the drainage or the runoff underground pipes. Yes. So you're going to have to
dig it up anyway. We have like um we have a little bit of space between the asphalt and the lot lines. That's a little bit of like grass in there that goes all the way back. That's where we're going to use to do the the pipes. Well, we're likely to be continued
tonight. Maybe you could think about it. Would you like to see the GIS to see what that looks like? Yeah, I would. Let me know. [Applause] So, yeah. See, it's totally paved over.
Let's try that. That's a little bit better. I believe that shows the Yeah, it's right here. The area. So, I'll let you. So, it's right here. That's where we have like a little bit of grass. And back here, grass as well.
That's where we're going to use the the pipes to drainage all the water back here to the drywalls. So, you're not envisioning removing any asphalt? No. No. Well, I'm very in favor of the project because it adds it's a good repurposing of this building and it
adds housing, which we need. It's affordable. Everything else about it is good. But making it now residential. Really? Yeah. Um, it would help it to be looking residential if it were landscaped rather than surrounded by asphalt. If I can interrupt, is is there
just one curb cut in that upper corner of the property? Where is the curb cut? The curb is right here. The property? Yeah, right here. Jed's going to show the street view so you can better tell. Yeah, street view might not help a lot.
Let's pull this guy. There you go. There you go. Okay. So, it's it's the width of the Yeah. So, right here, that's where the landscape and then that's landscape over here as well and then this goes all the way to the back.
I'm in. Yeah. Well, I'm just wondering if since that's an entire apron, almost the width of the entire lot, could that just be narrowed to uh say 12 or uh 14 ft as an entrance to the property for
people to park and then maybe a little bit of landscaping along the front by the sidewalk. We have landscape like a little bit of landscape here, a little trees, a little trees over here and both sides along the sidewalk would be a little nicer I would think.
Even those ones here out by the road or the sidewalk? Out by the road. Oh, you mean right along there. you know, if uh have some uh more landscaping, you narrow the uh apron so that you don't have this wide uh entrance to the uh property and uh and
where you cut it back, you just can landscape it with uh something uh whether it's uh planters or or something like that, small wall or or something just something to make it look a little nicer than than what it is. We can we can think about that. Yeah. It make it
look a little bit more residential. You understand what he's suggesting? Close in the close in the entry to maybe 16 ft wide. Yeah. Instead of looks like both both sides ft wide or so. Yes. Close it in on your property with some landscaping.
Okay. Instead of have That's what he's suggesting. Okay. Am I correct? Yeah. Yeah. Any other uh comments, Bob? Uh, no. I'm good. That was fine. I don't think the other ones have been addressed.
Everything's inside the existing walls, right? That's all we're talking about. No new construction except the doghouse. Is that correct? Yes. Do house entrance way in the back? Yeah. Which in the back, that's where it's going to be the parking spots for the
unit in the basement. And the tax is owed on our purview. So, Any other questions, Jim? Nope. Okay. So, um
a qu a question for you is all of the um bumpers along the side of the property, are you going to remove those or most of those? Uh the white ones here. That's correct. So, there were like there were like all the the parking spots. Once we divided everything, we're going to be
use them to dict dictate where the the parking spots going to be for each unit. But afterwards, whatever is left, then we're going to take it off. Once you get to the once you get to the building, you can't park there anyway. You're going to remove those going to the back of the building. Yeah, we're going to take all
those off. Okay, good. And one of the things that's going to be coming before us is the permit to park in the front yard. Yes. Okay. Yes. So, so I think uh you know where that vehicle is now, that would probably be where the vehicles would be
parked. It shows on the plan there's like four spots right in front of the building. It shows it. Yep. Right. [Applause] Okay. Facing the building. Mhm. Okay. Not uh not perpendicular I think.
So ju just a clarification from you on on your plan. It shows the basement is 6' 10 and a half or 10 and 3/4 in. Now you're saying you got to go to 7' 4. Yeah, I know. That's what I was talking to them before. So my engineer, he
miscalculated that. So I spoke to Jed before we had the meeting here. He said like, "Hey, take take a look at this one." So So he mis he mismeasured it. He mismeasured. Yeah. So I just went to the property before coming to the meeting here and then I took the measurement that the exactly measurement 7'4 from
the existing basement floor to the to the to the ceiling. Yes. Okay. And which is the minimum required in 7 ft to be livable. All right. So just you have to be very careful because 7t is the minimum. Yeah, I know that. And you're going to have some flooring down there. Yep. Which isn't there now. And you're
going to have to have some fire code on the ceiling. We're going to we're going to have to use a 5/8 uh sheetrock blue board, which that's a 1 hour fire waiting. 4 in can disappear pretty quickly. Just I'm just making aware. And uh yeah, and then even if you use like
3/4 of an inch hardwood floor glue to the basement, so we still have a little a little playing there. And you're going to uh uh have the building completely sprinkler? Yes, we do. For fire suppression? Yep. Yep. Yep. So we have the sprinklers are installed already. We
put the new 2 in water line from the from the street to the house. So it didn't just need to be connected now and finished. Did the fire department approved the 2 in? Is that what you said? 2 in. Yes, this is a 2 in. They approved it. Yeah. Okay. And um the five
units, four are onebedroom and one is twobedroom. Yes. Which of these will be the affordable unit? the one in a basement. And that's the two-bedroom unit. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you,
Pat. I would love to see the asphalt turned into more pvious just like Charlotte. I really would love to see that. It helps you out. It helps the town out. Every time you've got asphalt, it increases the heat. And we know about
that today. Yeah. So I'd love to see that if at all possible turned into pvious. Yeah, we can try to play a little bit with those. It's just some of like how we're going to coordinate better with the all the parkings because usually usually the parkings you have to
have like certain space for the car to turn and things like that. So it's just a matter of like how much play we're going to have to be able to know improve a little bit better. Pervious can also be part grass, part gravel, peg gravel.
it. Yeah. Reinforced turf. Yeah. Just just to get the pviousness of it because then you've got you're not getting direct runoff, you're getting absorption. Yep. Tom, my concern was like everybody else
here, just drainage and calculations not conforming to town standards, but we talking about the mitigation right now. Okay. All right. Thank you, Paul. And the other issue is I believe this used to be a lawyer's office. Yes. And the assessor's office indicates taxes are
outstanding for this property. That we can take care of that. No permit will be issued until that's taken care of. Yeah. Um so that's just the way it it goes. Okay. Thank you. So um back to the landscape requirement
waiver. You guys need to um figure out if you want to grant that or deny that. John, yes. I think the simplest way to address the issues that uh Pat and Bob and I raised about the exterior and the
asphalt is to not wave the landscape requirement, but say we'd like to see a landscape plan. When is are they going to come before us for the special permit for the front yard parking? the 22nd of July because uh I I
think the way it's drawn now is very awkward. Uh I would think if you're parking uh parallel to the front like that, you just back up and then you come around this way. You It's really convoluted to try and get out of there. I I wouldn't design a parking space like
that. There's plenty of room for parking and and revised landscaping. Yeah. Yeah. Bob, just for clarity sake, are you suggesting that the applicant switch the parking instead of facing the building to face the budding property like shown
on the screen? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would think it's a lot easier to back out into your lane where you're going to be exiting as opposed to trying back out against the street and then try and or or cut that corner in order to uh it's
just very awkward to He's only showing four parking spaces anyway. There's four there and then there's two in the back. Right. So, I've just got the same comment cuz I go to hairdresser right next door. Yeah. And they park that way, too. If I had to park that way, you have
to recuse yourself because you might have an interest in this. I don't own the property. Okay. I'm just saying for parking purposes. No, I understand. Oh, I know you do. You're giving me a bad time. Yes, Jim. Well, I think if they're going to I really like to see the landscaping
plan if they're going to be requesting a special permit for parking in the front yard. And I think if we did that without requiring a landscaping plan, uh, we might as well just let them do anything they want. Yeah. Okay. So, I don't I think the idea of releasing that, especially when you look at this and all
the comments were brought up and they're asking a special permit to get around parking in the front yard and we just say, "Okay, you got to be kidding me. They've got to have a landscaping plan." And I think they should reduce the side the entrance, give it more green space and make it uh put put in we can ask
them to put in more green. They're coming for a special permit to get around our zoning laws. So we have this is where we have the right to say no, you have to do it this way and I think we should do it and I'd like to see a really landscaping plan showing all the comments that everyone's made included in the plan and how you're going to park
the cars. I don't see how we can approve anything until we we see that. Yeah, just a little comment on the on the April to go inside of the house. It looks like really big if you can see in the image, but like two cars coming, one coming in and one coming out is sort of
a tight. So to get the apron to go inside of the property to get it shorter, that would that would be a problem. Put it on the plan, right? Well, you're only showing four parking spaces
in the front. should be able to accommodate four cars and and landscape the property. That's that's what we'd like to see. The other thing that the reason I'm kind of digging in a little bit on this is that we're going to put five people in homes here. They're going
to be homes for people. And I'd love for them to be able to feel that it's livable. There's green space around it. It's also Main Street. Yeah. Make Main Street nicer, too. But it's a great use of the building.
Thank you. Absolutely. Yeah. Any other comments, questions? So, we're going to have a continuation. Need to have the public comment. Oh, I'm sorry. Keep forgetting about the public.
Anyone in the audience like to uh make any comments or have any questions? The applicant? None. So, you wanted to um he's going to you're going to need to revise your architectural plans to show that basement height. Um and then submit a
landscaping plan and then revise your site plan to show the um parking and um if you could also those parking um cement parking stops if you could just show on the plan that you intend to remove those as well. with that.
Anything else that I need to I would just say that if you have any questions about what we're looking for for landscaping, just uh speak with Jed or Melinda and Yeah, probably I'll come tomorrow and they'll share that information like that. Yep.
Do you want to continue this to the the special permit meeting which is on July 22nd so that it's all on one and together? I I believe so. Everyone okay with that? Yeah. So, we'll do it till July 22nd. Yeah. Okay. With the
applicant. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Can I just put in a little presentation? Um um we can do both. Um it's totally up to you.
The um you Hi, I'm Amy Lol. I'm the wastewater superintendent for the town and um we're I I think we need to call your items. I'm sorry. public hearing notice. I'm jumping the gun. So,
the next applicant is GHD, Inc. and proposal site plan review application to construct a 1,334 ft municipal wastewater lift station at the above rest reference property.
And Tom, you have any notices? Yep. Mr. Chairman, this was published in the Enterprise on June 6, 2025, and 83 of Butters were sent notice by regular mail. Thank you. I'm representing the applicant
is Amy LOL, the wastewater superintendent. So, um, the project manager for GHD is, uh, very sick and so she was not not able to be here today. Um, so I'm here representing the project. Um Nick Christopher is with GHD
and is um taking back our you know what what we hear tonight and uh to the project manager and the project engineer. Um so uh we can just scroll through the plans if and when you like but I thought I would start with a couple of um a little bit of background.
Um so uh this is a town project. This is part of a town project. Um it's the Great Pond phase one project and it's a town project to reduce septic system affluent flow um within the Great Pond watershed uh to Great Pond and therefore
to improve water quality in the pond. Um the overall project uh includes a collection system which is bounded by the black bold line uh here. Uh that's the collection area and then the BrickL
lift station is here on the north end of uh this large uh town parcel on Brickelm Road and then there are force mains from that that lift station up to the town's existing main wastewater treatment facility.
Uh the Brick Hilm lift station is planning for the north end of this 20 acre property which is town-owned and it's it extends from the property extends from Ticket Highway up to Brookhill Road. Um I did notice um
there's uh a small mistake on the application. It said that it's a 24 acre parcel, 24 plus um but the your write up was correct. It's a 20 acre parcel. Um and um this lift station that we're
talking about, the lift station is really the focus of the meeting tonight. The rest of the project is not up for site plan review. It's just the lift station itself. Um that lift station is designed and laid out, excuse me, to accommodate wastewater flow from the Great Pond phase 1 sewer area, which is
being constructed as part of this current town project, but also for flows from future sewer service areas. So it includes it's a little bigger than we need for right now and it also it's laid out in a sort of a a spread out way in order to allow expansion for future
phases as well. Um so then we can go through um some of the drawings. I've put them in a little bit in an order that I think is helpful. Um this is a layout a site plan for the
lift station. It's unfortunately not oriented uh north south. North is Brickilm Road is north and it's on the right side of this drawing. So um you have to imagine it turned rotated. Um
and so there's a driveway access off of Brick Hilm Road. Uh and it turns in and then there are parking spaces for operators accessing this lift station. There is a um you see here a a building,
a one-story building um for um for the lift station um electrical and generator and odor control. And we're required now to have a bathroom in in a facility of this um of anything larger than uh I can't remember what the cutoff is, but
we're now required to have a bathroom in these facilities. Um, so there's a a building here and then over on this side is a below ground um wet well, which is where the pumps are located. Uh, the pumps are located deep below ground
here. This is a below ground um uh valve vault and below ground flow meters. Um, and um uh let's see. I think that's it for the site plan for now. Um, I'll keep
going here. This just uh zoomed in a little bit on the the uh lift station. It shows the lift station dimensions. Uh there's a backup generator for um power in case of power failure inside the lift station. Um and there's an electrical
room. Uh here's um the bathroom and then the odor control facility. Uh here is a um some a couple of architectural views of the building. Uh it's a singlestory building. The building the building
height at the roof peak is 23 feet. Um and and it's got uh you know a few few doors. It's got louvers and uh sort of a garage door which is not really for parking but it's to allow future access to the generator if it needs to to be if
a larger component needs to be filled out. There will be some electrical con you know service boxes on the outside of the building and again louvers on on the other side of the building. Um one thing that is um I have included this and I
want to add it to the package. Um the I wanted to show that uh over this wet well uh where the pumps are located we will have a shelter um that looks like this. So, it has a roof but no sides and it's got a monor
rail underneath it like a you know a it's a monor rail to allow pumps to be lifted out and put on the back of a truck. So, uh this hadn't been included in the plans but I wanted to show it's not a building but it is an above ground structure that will be located above
that wet well. Um this I just wanted to show a picture of. So this this figure is is or this picture here is of an existing town lift station. Um that's at the end of the Alons's it's the Alons lift station
which is the end of Alons Street. Um this station is smaller significantly smaller than the station that we're proposing at Blacksmith shop. But it gives you a sense of the the look uh that it's it's got Cape Cut shingles on the outside. It's got uh regular asphalt
shingles on the the roof. It will have some um electrical boxes on the outside. It would have doors and some louvers and then these below ground structures. So again, it's not this is not a rendering of the station, but it's just to show
what a what one of our newer lift stations looks like. Um and as I'd mentioned, there will be odor control for the facility, and it's located inside the building. Uh the pumps that are at this site are submersible. They're in the ground in in the tank in
the ground. They're very very quiet. Noise from the pumps is not an issue. Uh the generator is uh generators do make noise. It's in a building in order to attenuate noise uh and also to make it last longer. The generator would only
run when the power is out. commercial power is out when which is when uh other generators might be running in the area and it is exercised once a month for about a half an hour during working hours to keep it in good shape. Um
then the the uh plans include some erosion control um and tree protection um some sedimentation control at existing catch basins uh the storm water runoff design and then there's a calculation that's required um for this
type of work. Um, so that's what I wanted to to start with and I can pull up I can either keep this up or if we need to zoom in on things I have like you like you were looking at before just the the plans as a PDF.
Thank you. Uh, referrals please. So um, covering this we did receive a referral from the engineering division. They have several comments. Most notably I think were two items. um erosion and sediment control would need to be added
to the plans, but that can be taken care of when they apply to the engineering division for the street opening permit. Um they did indicate uh preference to split the lot um considering that there may be future use of the property. Um I
tend to disagree with that. I think you know this is the only structure that will be on the lot for some time likely. Um, and if and when a new use is um proposed for the for the lot itself, it could be divided at that time. Uh, so I
don't I don't see the need to do it at at this point. Um, there were no um significant uh concerns in the referrals. Building didn't have any comments. Water department did uh have a comment about the water service, but again they would work directly with the
water department after this approval process. Um the one item that we don't have is a referral from the fire department. So we'll be working to get that in between now and when you might um uh request a positive motion. Um and
the other items just to note are the waiver request letter. So there are several items that the applicant is looking to to wave from your requirements. Um most notably the um and if you if I may, I'll just go through them. Sure. Um first and foremost is to
allow for the driveway to exceed 24 ft. Um that would allow for the service truck that they have to get in and out um easier. Um and then there's um landscaping requirements. So there's a waiver um asking for um existing trees
greater than 4 in in caliber, measurement of height of 4t 6 in. So essentially they're requesting a a waiver from the landscaping plan submission simply because it's a you know lift station site um and the
surrounding area will remains undisturbed. So any of the vegetation that's currently there now will remain as is unless with the exception of the area that they need to clear for the lift station itself. So there are a total of six uh waiver require waiver
requests and five of those are related to the landscaping plan. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. So I have a couple of questions then we'll we'll go to the the rest of the board here. Uh how far is uh this building located from
the neighbors property line? So it shows on the plan when I say neighbors homes any any home well from the homes themselves I don't know that I have that distance right now but we have so if I look at the um their property
line not their homes their property line so if we look at the and then I want to zoom in a little bit on this. Um I'm So I believe there's a 50 foot requirement and I believe that we are 50
ft at a minimum off the property line um with this closest structure. Uh I was hoping it showed that here, but I'm not seeing it on this plan. Um, we can clarify that, but I believe that it is a minimum of at least 50 ft
off from the nearest structure. Okay. Off the property line. Then of course the next question is um any concerns about any odors from this facility? So um we have a belt and suspenders type
odor control um uh specified for this structure meaning uh it's a it's a BOF filter um which we that's um it's it's it's in the building so it's it we have sort of a secondary containment and it
is a BOF filter which is the kind of um odor control we have that we installed at the Jones Palmer lift uh which is north of the hospital lights uh that we've had a lot of success with. That one is outdoors but it's uh that
that BOF filter has been extremely successful at um eliminating odors at that station and I believe it can do the same thing at this location. And if it becomes a real concern, is there a
possibility this could be located a little bit further away from I mean, I don't we're not going to be able to relocate after construction. I'm talking about before it's permitted. So, obviously I So, this is a um this is
odor control. Um it's it's actually both the BOF filter and the the system includes carbon as backup. So I think that I I I believe this will work to mitigate odor. If it did not, I think
that the there are ways of um im of supplementing the odor control. You can add additional inground odor control outside the building. Uh moving another 25 ft from a property line would not reduce would not really address odor as
effectively as odor control. Well, I didn't I didn't I wasn't suggesting a number. It's a large it's a large piece of land and Right. So, if you if you go um we had a few factors that we were looking at here. One is that I I know
the town there the town is considering multiple uses of this property in the future. So, we wanted to set it to one side of the uh northern end to allow for access um to for further south for
future uses. Also further to the east at the northern end of the property, the um topography drops off substantially and there is um a uh storm water detention basin for lack of a better word. There's
a very low point, very large storm water area back there. So this is a um this is an appropriate place for the lift station and it is it's shifted off to one one side of the site to allow access
and to avoid the the drop off on the other side. Okay. Thank you. So uh I'm going to ask our board any questions all? Yeah. So I a couple of questions. One is what's the capacity of phase one? You mean what's
the flow? Yeah. On on average, we we expect 114,000 gallons per day. On average, 114,000 gallons per day. Okay. And as other peninsulas come online, obviously phase two will be coming
online. So, I'm sorry, that's the that's the flow for the Great Pond phase one area. There will be other um flow from from additional lift stations will also be coming to this station as part of phase one. Um, so, uh, I I don't have
that number right in front of me, but let's call it, uh, it's approximately, uh, 175,000 gallons a day, um, additional. So, we'd call it, so it's, um, uh, a little less than 300,000 gallons a
day would come to this station. Transmission facilities for those will be on the same site. Yes. The force main size for the f future. Yes, it's dual force mains. So it's dual force mains. So it's actually a pair of force mains. So in the in the early phase, you'd use
one and as as you as you ramp up in the future, you could use two. Okay. It's a great location for this. Thank you, Tom. Yeah. Hi, Amy. So when John asked when John asked if you could add
something to um uh like another level of uh reducing the smell, what did you say you could add? Possum odor. So we are installing a very um
uh a state-of-the-art and wellsized odor control. So I I'm I wouldn't at this point recommend adding additional, but there are ways of supplementing odor control if that were not to work. So you can put in an inground BOF filter, for
example, uh or you can add um you could add carbon units. There are lots of ways of addressing odor. So you could increase the capacity of odor control in the future if there were an issue. It's not cost-effective to do it now instead of later. So we've we've designed the
odor control with safety factors in in mind. Okay. In we've we've employed safety factors in the design of the odor control. Okay. Just one other question. Um you just mentioned the possibility of uh future use uh for this land. What are
some examples? Um so the town does not have um final or even draft um wershed plans for the remainder of the watersheds on the peninsulas but um the town has uh will be working towards
those plans over the next 5 years and the town's been talking for a long time about sewing uh the next peninsula to the east which is the Aapesca peninsula and then smaller portions of the next couple of peninsulas and as well as well as the sea coast shores peninsula and
antler shores and seepit on either side. So those could in the future come to this lift station. Thank you Paul. Yeah just a follow-up question in the future will there be any excuse me will there be any treatment on the site
pre-treatment before pumping? No, thank you. That there is there is nothing in the plan with for pre- treatment. I purely transmission facility up to the treatment plant. Moving it up to the treatment plant. Thank you, Pat. My main
concern was odor control because I remember too much about the Eastman's as well as the one you mentioned and I no longer smell anything around the Eastman's building there. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah. So at Eastman's we added a a carbon uh system out outdoors
and that has been very successful at that location. Um and the system at Jones Palmer is at the Jones Palmer lift station at the lights is more like what we would be adding here except that it would be indoors and that's a higher capacity
uh more complex system. Kim, I'm all set with it. I'll I'll wait till I hear comments from the others. Okay. Charlotte, I'm curious. This it's listed as being on uh a different address than Brickill Road, right? So,
uh that was one of um Scott Schlutter, the town engineer or in the engineering department's comments. It the address of the parcel the parcel connects or it it abuts both Ticket Highway and Brick Hill Road. And uh so the address that's list that the property has right now in the
town system is 632 Ticket Highway. Scott actually has uh one of his comments was we should assign a new address. He actually has assigned an address of 100 Brick Helm Road, but it's not showing up in GIS yet and wasn't in the town permit system yet. So we didn't use that. But
that we can certainly do that. Make that an official address for for the lift station. An official address would make it possible to look it up. and see exactly what houses are around it, where it enters Brick Kilm, see the the neighbors. It would just
give us additional information. So the abutters to this property were notified 80 plus abutters and and we are well aware of of what properties above this site. I just was I was looking up I I was recalling a drawing that shows the
actual distance from the uh nearest property line and I wasn't seeing it on this drawing but we're well aware of the locations of of Butters and um the we we can add this address we we need to get
this address incorporated into the in each of the town systems. It's in one system but it's not in the permit system or in GIS yet. So, we will move forward with an address that that makes it easier to look this up to know where
this is when questioning your awareness. It's just our awareness would be improved. Yeah, I get it. Okay. All right. Thank you. Any uh uh questions or comments from anyone in the audience? Just step up the
podium. Please give your name. My name is Linda Hagen. Um I'm on um Broken Bow Lane, so kind of um side by side to this I guess or a little bit down. Um my main concern as um I'm
sure several people have is odor control. Um I'm very concerned about that because we have all you know just um within the last uh five years or so moved into this area and um that would
really be a big hit to our property if it was going to be maludous. My other concern is um noise from traffic. Um, how often are people going to be coming in there or how often are trucks going
to be coming in and out? Do you mind if I step up and answer? Uh, so that's a good question. Um, the wastewater operators visit each of our lift station sites once a day. Um, and uh, they're visiting in a regular truck,
a pickup truck. And uh but if there is maintenance at the station then they would uh you know they can bring there are other trucks that can go there to do the maintenance. There is also the reason for the extra wide driveway is that um at least once a year say we'll
call it once a year. That's how frequently you we do all of our other lift stations. Our vac truck, which is a 40 foot long truck, has to come in and um vacuum the grit and solids out of the bottom of the wet well. The bottom of
the it's a tank and that truck is 40 ft long and it we want to make sure that it's not veering into the other lane when it when it exits or enters. So that's the reason for the wider entry. So when the um so if there are issues and for maintenance you may have
additional vehicles there but normally it's a a single operator's truck visiting once a day and they spend a little bit of time there every day and then once a week they go to each station and do a a bigger inspection. Once a month they do an even bigger effort
where they'll go and they'll run the generator like I said and the generator is run to to exercise it and make sure it's ready for service in an emergency. Um and uh but that would be during regular working hours. Does that answer your question? Yes, it does. Okay. Thank
you. Anyone else? I have another question. Oh, sure. Go right ahead. um what happens if this fails? Like what are um for us that surround it? What are
the plans or whatever in place so it doesn't impact us? So it doesn't impact our um property um our neighborhood um any of our storage issues our you
know and I mean behind the eightball. I'm not as educated on. No, you're doing fine. You're doing fine. That's okay. Those are good questions. So, Broken Bow, uh, except for the very the property that um the two properties that abut route are
closest to 28, none of the rest of Broken Bow is unfortunately in the sewer area. So, the that that um Broken Bow will not be will continue to have your existing septic systems and this this project will not affect those. if in the
future the town expands and you know that's a whole separate concept. Um as far as so the wastewater system is designed with uh primary regular operating systems and always a backup.
So I mentioned the backup generator you know if the if the if the commercial power goes out we have a generator to power the the system. We also put in a real backup which is a what's called a bypass connection and it's a way that if
the um if the if the uh whole if we were not able to operate the pumps for some reason we can p pull up a portable pump and pump directly into the the pipe system using using an exterior portable pump. That's a real backup. We've never
done that for any of our lift stations. That's a but that's a a backup system. The other is that um there are multiple pumps. Um to start with there would be two because of the lower flows but in the future when it increases to larger
flows there would be four pumps. So we have a bunch of level switches in the tanks and the pumps run between two level switches but there are you know there are levels that trigger alarms and the backup pump comes on if the level come gets higher. There are many backup
systems to keep this system um reliable and safe. The other the other thing is that it's all this station like all of our other stations is is um it's connected to our main plant um via a SCADA system or it's a communication
system. So when there is an alarm, when there's a problem with the lift station, that alarm calls out to and it's off hours, that alarm calls off to calls out to the chief operator and the chief operator can can log into the the system
either on his cell phone or on a computer and see what's going on. Uh he can see what the water levels are and see what the which pumps are running and can decide whether or not to call anybody in. So there's we have good vis visibility on what's going on in that
lift station even when we're not there. Any other questions? Good evening. My name is Steven Augusta. I'm very familiar with the property here. Used to be the Augusta property, right? It was. Was I'm very much in favor of my family. Um it's been a long
time coming and uh we're looking very forward to getting it done to keep our ponds estuaries and keep the sewage where it belongs and uh we're very much in favor. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else, please?
Richard Castlebury, 41 Broken Bow Lane. We were here when they uh initiated the initial plans for the all the houses to be built at the end of Broken Bow. And I was wondering if this is facilitating
the further plans to put those 28 houses in use. I believe she said that no one on Broken Ball is going to be uh Well, we're we're affected by that road at the end of Broken Bone to 28 like
nobody else's business. Okay. I mean, we got we got cars going in and out of there all the time from the big house number one uh number 29. It's topnotch painting is working in and out of that house.
cars out there all the time. So, we're worried about the 28 units being at the end of it because they're going to be at the the end of our broken bow all the time. Either going or coming. You know what 28 units houses would be? Say for
example, two people working. They got in two cars. Okay. Then you're talking about all the parking which we heard through all that before. There's not going to be any room for cars going in and out of 28. Now, it
would be fine if they had another exit and entrance other than Broken Bow for that particular unit if they're going to put all those houses in there. Well, this this was more of a discussion of the septic of the pumping station. I
know, but that's to facilitate that that 28 units, is it not? No. No. No, not at all. It's not associated with it. No. you if you'll remember that was one part of their problems that they didn't she can explain it to us. Okay. So, um I
would like to pull up I think I know what you're talking about. You're talking about a a totally separate project. Yes. Uh which we're not here on tonight, but um let's see. I was wondering. So, this is
not the best way to show it. Maybe it'd be best to show it in GIS, but I'll just I'll just say there's this this is the lot you're talking about here at the end of Broken Bow. Correct. Right. And this when this project was planned, so the the town submitted a targeted watershed
management plan that included this service area, I don't know, at least five years ago. And at that time when the plan was submitted, this was all one lot. And it has and that lot abudded route 28. So
that lot abued meaning it connect it touches route 28. So that this lot was included in the sewer service area. Um so the sewer service area is this. So
the sewer service area that is actually you can barely see it but that's that lot there was included in the sewer service area. Um, so it's since been subdivided into two lots, but but those two lots because of
where the line was drawn when this was planned a number of years ago, those lots are in the sewer service area. So when so maybe nothing will ever get built there, maybe something will get built there, but there will be sewer will be available to whatever goes
there. But it doesn't it's not built for that project and it's not to facilitate that project. It's just a the situation is that that property is in the sewer service area because at the time the line was drawn it it touched Route 28
which which is where the sewer was going. Okay. How does the brick thing work with Roenbo? I don't understand the question. Well, it's all about Brick Ellen Road. Can you come up to the podium again, sir? You have to speak in the microphone, please.
I I want to know how the uh broken bow deals with uh Brick Ellen. It does not station nothing to do with Why was she using lift station at Bro Brick Ellen? They're going to do a lift station. It looks like it's about a
mile. Not a mile, but it's quite the distance from Broken Bow. It it's it's a good mile cuz we walk it every day, right? Some distance. So, it it really has nothing to do with any homes are going to get built on Broken Bow. Okay. One does not does not uh just the two
lots but the main road are going to could be on the sewer. Correct. All the rest of Broken Bow is not in any sewer plants. The two lots on the west side of Broken Bow that are closest to right on 28. But he's worried about all the stuff in back the houses not part of the plan.
Yeah. He's concerned about a development that's that's proposed for one of those two lots. Yes. Just one of the two lots. He's proposed for He's concerned about a development that is proposed for one of those two lots. But this project to put in the sewer system is not done for that
project and it doesn't facilitate that project. It just that site is in the sewer area whether this that's so that's the situation. Yeah. Okay. I'm all set. Okay. Thank you.
Yes ma'am. Hi. My name is Susan Mastrom Mate. I live at 132 Broken Bow Lane. Um I just want a little clarification on the map where it's um outlined in yellow. Um I
am my property is on the um far end of Broken Bow where I understand that you say it's not affected but the way the map looks there are like woods across the street for me. So and where those
woods could possibly abut um brick kiln road. I'm just wondering if any of those woods are going to be knocked down if I'm going to be staring at this station out my front window. like where is it exactly going to be built? I would say this phase is not going to have any impact on your your
view. So th the those woods will stay woods or can I can I clarify? Yes. So what what we're talking about here what's what requires site plan review is building the lift station. And the lift
station is going to be up here at the north end of the property. There will be pipes as part of this project that connect from here on route 28 up through this parcel along this side and up through here. Those pipes will be
installed underground. So, we will be cutting down some whatever vegetation is in that pipe corridor. Some of it is already cleared because there there are pathways and roads through there. But there will be clearing additional
clearing through here uh in a pipe corridor uh up to the the lift station to get the flow from from here from this service area up to here. So I I don't somebody said we're not going to do any
other clearing. The the site plan review is for the construction of the lift station. We are putting in pipes on this town-owned park property and the pipes will involve some additional uh vegetation removal, but the lift station
itself with the the buildings that we've described is up here on the very northern end of the property. So, Broken Bow is here, right along here. And you're up here somewhere, right? Up near the northern end of Broken Bow, close to the end of
the right. So, so you're away from the lift station. I I don't know whether or not you would be able to see to notice, you know, additional clear removal of vegetation for the piping. So, is is the outlining of the yellow is that the
woods across the street from my home? Like, so this this figure is intended to show the entire town owned parcel. Okay. And yes, it is a lot of it is unfor is is vegetated. A lot of this is is vegetated, but the lift station itself
where we're talking about site plan review is up here on the north end of the of the site. So, will you be tearing down like chopping down those woods across the street? Like what will I see? Like will they stay? So, some clearing
will take place to install the pipes up to this lift station. Um, I can't tell you at this meeting what you know where that is relative to your home. We can clarify uh further. It's not really part of the site plan review process, but I
would be glad to talk with you about it. Um, and we can, you know, Nick is here and is taking note of the questions. So, and we can also get your email address or your phone number and talk to you about it. Um, so I I didn't want to on the one hand, it's not part of site plan
review for a building. On the other hand, it is part of the project and I want to I want to be clear about that. Um this is so this this I highlighted this in GIS. When you click on the parcel, it highlights the whole parcel in yellow like that. So I was showing
this is the 20 acre parcel, but this is where the lift station is going is up to the north. I'm sorry. You're gonna have to I believe that there is like a a strip here. Okay. That is um you know kind of
like the hill going down and then onto the woods that's owned by somebody else. Mhm. Right now there is additional undeveloped land here. Yeah. that like right here that is not town. There's a little strip here. So,
this project probably doesn't directly abut your property, but I can't guarantee that we wouldn't change the vegetation within your view. We'll we'll have to look at it. Question. Sorry. Right ahead. I know that you had mentioned about the
odor control, but if there was say a hurricane or something and I know you have a generator, um but if it fails, I've read briefly that it could make, you know, some of
that contamination go into homeowners homes and be very costly um in the thousands and people can't a lot of people can't afford that like what are what is um you the chances that the sewer is not
going to go into our basement's you know what's the what's the probability or the risk factor of that and how far out even if it's a mile like how far does it normally go out when there's instances when systems like this
do failure So I I believe your properties are down here, right? Right. So it's it's quite a ways from the lift station, but even the even properties immediately around this,
I would say. So we have 11 existing lift stations and in the time I've been here, we have never had a um we've we've never had a major event like what you're talking about. I've worked for the town for 20
23 years. 22 or 23 years. We've never had a catastrophic event at a lift station like you're talking about. We did um outside a lift station. We had a small backup in a manhole and it there was a puddle of wastewater around the manhole and we stopped backup and we
disinfected that, you know, it was like a 7 foot square area, you know, and we disinfected that area. So I'm not I never want to say there will never be odor, there will never be a backup, there will it's an operating system.
Things do things can go wrong. We have a lot of backup systems to prevent things from going wrong. But I I I do not want to say to anybody things can't go wrong because you know things can go wrong. Everybody knows things can
go wrong. We've planned for those things and we have backup systems to prevent them and we plan for what goes wrong even even in those cases. Uh but you know I hope that answers your question. All right. Thank you. I think we have a
couple more questions for you Amy. Couple more questions for you Tom. Yeah. Hi Amy. So has the town ever made a practice of adding back any plantings in an area if there were too many removed? Um I don't know about a practice of it.
The goal so we'll we'll see what what has to happen along the the frontage there. Um the goal is to preserve some of the existing vegetation along Brick Hill Road to the degree possible. Um if
at the end of the job we need to um do some planting to obscure the site, we can we can plan to do that. Good. Um I you know I I I don't want to make promises about maintaining it there because there there not only do we have
the lift station there but we also have pipe corridors and electrical. So the pipe has to leave the lift station and the electrical has to has to get in there and you know there there's a lot of work going between the site and the street. But the the goal is to do what we can to preserve some of the
vegetation there and to do some replanting along along that uh area if if needed at the end of the job just to protect the abuters. Great. Thank you. Any other questions? I'm all set. So I just have a uh two questions for you. Um
the entrance is a gated. Will it be gated? Um, so we would definitely, we would have, so let's see what we're showing on here now. Um, so we are showing a fence here now
around. So this is a fence line. So the fence, we use the building as part of the fence line. Okay. And then we have a a fence around here. This is, I believe, the fence line here. I Yeah, I'm I'm always a little torn about that. Uh, on the one hand, I I think it's important
to have it for security. Um, but you know, it's nicer. It looks nicer if you don't have a fence, but uh I think it also keeps everybody safe. So, um, we we do we are showing us fence and there would our plan would be a gate at this
location. Uh, so not at the not right now at the entrance to Brook Road, but at the entrance to this gated area or fenced area. Can you share the lot what lighting plan is involved with the building? So, um, we generally have in the parking area if any. Yeah, there's
generally outdoor lighting at the at the building. Um, and we can have that downward facing. So, it provides safety lighting for operators if they need to be there in the middle of the night and security lighting, but the goal would
not be to have, you know, outward facing lighting that would impact neighbors. Okay. Thank you. So, no other questions, comments, none. So, you want to put together a
positive motion? Positive motion for the next meeting, July 8th. Sure. Very good. Do I take a vote on that or we're good? All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks for attending.
Do you want to leave your address? Would you mind? So, next on the agenda is it's been a long time. Good job. Thank you. Planning department report. Uh not much to report um since the last
meeting. As you know, we've been working uh very hard on our zoning amendments. Um we're trying to find the right number of amendments to bring to town meeting. Uh some of those items include, as I mentioned at the previous meeting, uh looking to amend the flood plane overlay
district. Um noting that that was uh out of date and so we're trying to bring that into uh into compliance with state and federal regulations. Then we've got the ADU bylaw which we are considering bringing forward with some amendments
because as you know the board has discussed informally the uh potential of removing the planning board as part of that process and going directly uh allowing the applicants to go directly to the building commissioner. Excuse me. Excuse me. You have to uh discussions
out of the room please because we still have a hearing going on. Thank you. So, we've been working on that, adding in some language from the um executive office of housing and livable communities model bylaw for the ADU. So,
there's some work that we're doing on that. Then, there's some other items uh that came to um our attention in the attorney general's review of the ADU bylaw, which they just recently approved. One of those items is the um
potential amendment that would allow ADUs to be allowed by right in the business districts because the attorney general noted that um ADUs are allowed any any place where a single family home is allowed by right and those are allowed in the business districts. So we
may be allowing ADUs or we will be required to allow ADUs um in the business district. So, we've got a lot going on with zoning amendments if there's a primary dwelling already there. Correct. In that on that lot. Correct. Okay. I have a question on that one. I know when we had the meeting last
week, we were you were presenting to the realtors, they talked about that with the conversion bylaw, if there was a conversion that every one of the condos then would have a right to have an ADU. No, I thought that was brought up at the
meeting. I'm just wondering if if you if you had if you if we had in in business if you had all these unit if there's all condos could could a condo then have a right for an ADU.
I mean the numbers get really big when you It's a great question. So that's part of our learning curve here too is understanding exactly what it considers what is considered to be a principal dwelling. That's a good question. And I wouldn't want to answer that right now. I'd want
to look into it more. But but what you just said, I think it treat it it sounds like it it could go that way. I think it all depends on lot coverage and septic if you had all the proper lot coverage and I mean I mean you can have multiple ADUs on a lot. So
yes, apparently I mean I don't know how the ownership would go if you have like separate ownership for those condos or if they're, you know, it has to be a primary dwelling. Well, condos are primary dwelling, right? Could I ask a question? Yes. You own the condo. How
much of the land around it do you own? Well, it varies. All of it is common area and some of it has ex u exclusive use, but everything, every condo owner is all the land around it together, but some of it is designated as exclusive use for each different condo. Is that
the commonest way it's done? I believe the common area that's it is the way it's done. It's common area. How could you put an ADU on it? You don't control the whole lot. I think before we worry about it, let's find out what Yeah. So, to wrap that up, we we've been working
on zoning amendments um and other projects, but we've really been focused on zoning amendments because as you as I hate to admit, November is just around the corner and we want to make sure that you're in a position to have your public hearings and allow for ample amount of
time for people to understand these amendments and then make comments. So, we're looking at, as I mentioned at the last meeting, early July, uh to try and start those. Um, but we're working with town council on um, you know, just figuring out the language of the amendments. So, we'll be bringing those
forward soon. So, that's that's really our report. I'm going to let Paul talk about Shiver's pond. I'm not going to talk about that. He is What pond? Important announcement. Okay. So, committee reports. What is that? What is that big fish?
Is that your your report? The uh, platform's almost finished. The park they've been working on again today. I don't know what the town is going to do as far as an opening goes, but the fishing platform is working very well. And here's a largemouth bass caught by
Suzanne Hston's grandson from Maine. Wow, look at the size of that fish. Day before he caught a perch, a little bit smaller, but uh it's been very active over there even though officially it's not open. That's amazing. It's officially open. The platform is officially open. The
park is officially open. You can visit and sit and enjoy yourselves. But they're not finished with the work. No, they're they're all they're all wrapped up. Shiverpine platform is complete. Are they going to clean up the uh Vista clearing around the platform? Are they going to take away the barriers for the
runoff? That's not done. We'll look into it. I was personally on the platform last week and saw the first person, not this not this uh gentleman in the picture, but I saw someone fishing already on the
platform and you know, we had a small chat and she just was totally enjoying it. So, I think it's a great addition. I'm glad that Paul pushed us so hard to get it done and it's finally finished even though we may be at 95%. Um, but it's a great addition to to the
downtown. I I hope people get to a chance to enjoy it. Yes. I think that fishing platform should be named after Paul Dryer because he's the one who pushed this and pushed it and pushed it to make sure it eventually got done. And I and I have to say, I mean, Paul's
mentioned it before, but the DPW did a tremendous job. Absolutely. In the in the park next door. I mean, it's just fantastic. But Vicky LOL is the one who got it started. So, if it's going to be naming, it would be LOL and Dryer.
Vicki out. All right. Any other committee reports? None. Okay. Uh, announcements. We have correspondence which we can do under announcements. Sure. Um, as you know, the Cape Cod um commission is
reviewing the Cape Cod Country Club solar project. Yeah. Um, and they've continued the hearing for the subcommittee to, uh, July 10th, uh, 2025 at 5:00 p.m. So, everyone has a notice in their packet. Um, it'll be a virtual
hearing. So, again, July 10th at 5:00. If you need it any more information, you can go on to the Cape Cod Commission's website and find it under um, I believe their events tabs or public meeting notices. We had our first hearing on it
last uh week and it was uh well attended. It was a three-hour meeting and quite a bit was discussed. It's going to be a really large project for the town, our community, and we'll see how it goes. But the next
meeting, like you said, is uh July. So, and and quite a few people participated and had their say on on for or against it. So, um, John, do they have to have a landscape plan? Yes.
For about 150 acres, right? Yes. Um, future agenda items. Okay. Yes. I have two. One, as we mentioned once before, Lighthouse Station is moving along quite nicely, and I know
the the dome is coming last. They are beginning structures outside the the uh lighthouse. Oh, the dome itself. I'm curious how they're going to move forward with rest of the zone. Will we be able to get some information from uh the developer on that? Yes. In fact, I
did get an update. I I don't have it with me tonight, but I can provide it um at the next meeting. Okay. The second one is uh we spent a lot of time and we had a lot of people uh talking about the
redevelopment of the uh circular building on Main Street for affordable h not affordable housing, workforce housing. And that seemed to be stopped somewhat. And now I read in the paper that the uh development on Sandwich Road
for Sandwich Road near the Dunkin Donuts is going forward with the same developer. I'm just curious how those projects are going to go forward. I think it's I think it's a different developer but uh maybe the same builder
there particularly about the redevelopment of that circular building and it seems to have fallen by the wayside. I'm curious where that is where it's a funding issue or timing issue or something else. Uh I don't have an answer for that. Yeah. Is there any way of getting an update on
that? If you'd like, we can provide an update at the next meeting under future agenda items. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Anyone else? No. Our next meeting is July 8th.
And uh I'm sorry. Move to a second. Second. All in favor? I I [Music]