##VIDEO ID:mvIh-4i0xzc## [Music] we open with public comment um in case you're not aware of it for public comment if you wish to speak please come to that microphone it's connected to uh the TV so that people at home can hear what you're saying it's not actually a microphone for the room but it is for that purpose so you have to go there and the first thing that you would say would be your name and then what what you're going to speak on and then whatever it is that you want to say the public comment period is so you can speak on any topic that you would like it's not on the agenda just something you want to bring to our attention so that time is now is there anyone something they wish to bring to our attention no in that case we'll go forward oh minutes yeah I recommend minutes of uh November 26th that's corrected any a second second all in favor I I approve thank you Paul okay first on our agenda are two approval not required and the first of these is for Summerfield Park realy trust uh Kevin Andre is the trustee it's a plan of land to create four Lots at 160 trotting Park Road and the plans are now up there I'm going to recuse myself in it's hearing John is leaving John gy and who is here representing that plan Jed do you want to speak on it um well yes uh for the record jet corach Town planner um I recommend endorsement of the plan is all four of these lots have uh the requisite Frontage on a public way so I recommend your endorsement is there any discussion from the board on that what is the required Frontage 100 uh sorry 200 feet because it's within the Water Resource protection overlay district and each one of them has the requisite Frontage okay they got access they've got Frontage they seem to meet the requirements another question um the frontage requirement is When the Water Resource Protection District I was unaware of that yeah so they're they're both within the agricultural uh District as well as within the overlay District right the overlay district has certain requirements for uh residential density so you have to have a certain lot size and a certain Frontage the frontage is 200 ft so increase it from 150 to 200 is that let me just make sure I apologize it's 15 15 ft yeah that's what I thought when you said that because I'm very familiar with this piece of land and what you said wasn't driving with my understanding trying to remember too many facts so they and those lots are bigger than 150 slightly yes each one of them is roughly 155 to 160 okay is lot four uh that shows 129 does that include the one below it no the only ones we're talking about inside the black lines yeah right so this is on the road 129 ft additional 22.8 6 feet just at the southern end of the of the lot itself that corner can you see something right there see there's a bound there okay okay so added together they make the okay Reis all right I'm sorry just started I remembered something slightly different but I'm okay have you all set yeah I'm all set okay any other comments or questions we have a motion I move to endorse without uh regard to the buildability second presing compli we've got a motion in a second all in favor I I I that's approved moving on the next one the applicant is Joshua O'Brien a plan of land to combine two lots um into one lot at 22 deer Pond Road um and here we're looking at that plan on the screen John's back are there any is who is here to speak for this I don't believe anyone's here for that either you want to to say what really the same comments combining two lots requisite Frontage uh deer Pond Road was created under subdivision control so it's one of the categories that allows rear endorsement any comments or questions from the board no we have a motion I I move endorsement without regard to buildability or zoning is there a second second all in favor I I that's approved next we have this is a little different a public hearing and this is a public hearing I think this is our fourth uh public hearing a definitive plan Steven Marsh is the applicant a definitive plan application to create three lot subdivision at zero old Barnstable Road and uh Mr Marsh has requested a continuance to February 11th he's waiting to get um further uh uh input from the 300 committee following up on uh conservation land that was discussed at the last meeting um is there any question or comment from the board no Madam chair if I may he's also asking for a decision deadline extension so continuance to February 11th and a decision deadline extension to February 28th of25 okay not hearing any comments or questions could we have a motion i' move we Grant the extensions the continuance to February 11th and the extension to February 28th yes is there a second second all in favor I I that's approved Mr Marsh is all set until the 11th moving on to a public meeting um this has slightly different rules it's a little more open the applicant here is Kevin Clower there he is on behalf of Cape Cod the Y um up on brick Kil Road Mr C welcome good evening Madam chair of the board for the record Kevin Clow I'm an attorney here in town and I'm before you tonight representing the uh Cape Cod YMCA uh as at our last hearing we are joined by what is effectively our full team um with us tonight we have Stacy Pew the president and CEO of the YMCA Cape Cod we have uh St or could I ask you to speak up so everyone can hear you um as as at the last meeting we have effectively our whole team with us tonight uh so with us we have Stacy Pew the president and CEO of the YMCA Cod we have Rick fuo who is the project manager with Clare path advisors Stu Clark the civil engineer with green skel environmental and Jen hawman who is the architect with SV design um as well as Emily Buck the traffic consultant with Bowman Consulting we made our initial presentation to the board on this matter letter on uh November 12th we are back before you tonight having had the opportunity to review and address both the engineering referral and the peer review for the storm water management uh before we get into the details of what we've done I wanted to offer a brief recap so as you know we are seeking uh site plan review approval for the proposed development of a portion of 485 brick Hill Road um we have also submitted applications for a special permit from this board which would allow for parking in the front yard pursuant to 2401 14.1 I5 um which we expect to be back before you in a few weeks on uh We've also submitted the special permit to the zoning board of appeals under three different sections of the bylaw it is a private club not for profit under 2461 B uh for lot coverage in excess of 15% in the Water Resource Protection District under 247.50 b4e and for a parking reduction and shared parking under 24 14.1 F3 uh we are also currently before the Board of Health we are returning there next week and we have already received approval from the kid Cod Commission which was a unanimous approval as a development of regional impact so this proposed development is on a 6.13 acre parcel which is a currently a portion of 485 brick Hill Road which will be 487 brick Hillen once the anr plan has been recorded at the registry uh at the risk of stepping stepping on other people's toes I can say that with used the last few weeks to revise the plans again largely in response to comments from this board uh and the engineering referral those changes have been enumerated in a letter to the board from Green Seal which was dated on January 2nd so there's obviously a lot of information to discuss uh I'd like to hand it off to some of the other team members and following their presentation uh I and them would be happy to address any questions that the board may have so I'd like to ask Stu Clark to come up from Green Seal to just go over some of the changes that we've made to the site plans I don't need power that Madam chair board members store Clark with green seal environmental um as Kevin said we have made a few changes to the project as we you know flesh out the design and go from a schematic level design into uh design development and into construction drawings um just going to try to find where okay the Civil site stuff's not really exciting but I'm going to run through it because that's my area of expertise um one of the biggest changes we did we lowered the a finished grade from 585 uh to 557 um and to do that we had to do some Associated grading uh changes around the building uh to accommodate the the uh lower um the the uh you know lower grade uh the the basement access scares were also moved from one side of the one area of the building to another which resulted in me having to move parking lot Isle d uh F which is the one that goes has the EV parking in it I had to move it over another 5 ft just to keep Ada um access um to that aisle um and the associated grading in with that um also we decided to the first design had a a flat train all the way around the building but in the back now we're going to hold it up a little bit so we don't have so much cut and fill um so that was another change which necessitated us putting some uh concrete stairwells Wells to come out for Access um those have been a uh added uh to the site plan in front of you um also we've uh decided there's not going to be any propane there we're going to use a natural gas so the uh the propane yard has been removed from the plan set um also you know talking with the me people as they're going through their process uh the location of the sewer pipe coming out of the building was mve approximately 20 feet so I had to shift um the septic system 20 feet to the South to accommodate that um nothing else has changed on the septic system other than it's you know its location um and as I said we did add a natural gas line uh to the plan set that you'll see along the runs up the main access drive also I worked with Matt L lanan from the water department about looping the water um through that property as that was one of his concerns and his uh staff notes to this board uh uh we did and we Loop the water down through um down through the uh access Drive I sent him plans of that and I got an email from him saying that yeah yes that was accept acceptable all right item number 10 I had uh oil uh grit separators on the system to uh uh remove um sediments before it went into the infiltration I switched those out for a hydro dnamic separators they they get a little bit better um uh TSS removal they do a better job they're a little more expensive but I I think it pro provides a better system whereas we're infiltrating everything into the ground um and we can't really see what's going on there so we want it as clean as we can before we put it underground um um so those were switched out um we had an attenuation Pond wonder if we have a map here I'm just going to blow through some of this see if we can get a map SL this one here that's not us I think it's the third tap the third one from the left here either that one or the next one no was it on the screen we go all right just so we can see what I'm talking about all right this might be the one of the best ones so we ran the water line down the road here very simple uh we eliminated the we had a detention Pond down here we've eliminated that and there's a cross pipe here um to take the water that comes off of BR Hill Road it comes off the two catch basins here and just Let It Go the way it's uh going now um what else oh this is where we moved the the staircase used to be in this location and now it's over here so I had to push this towards this property line 5 feet uh nothing drastic and over here is where we left it fill um to uh you know minimize the cuts and fills that we had to do on this site um also by lowering this we got we did we did not need that retaining wall that was shown here before so that's been eliminated um then in the parking lot uh we used to have rais speed humps on each one of these um but now we just have walk through islands and one speed hump at the be at the front uh on Isle e this is isle e this is isle f um also by lowering the site we've uh decreased the amount of uh grading we have to do especially along this the the wildlife Corridor side again that's why we could get rid of the wall um so the open space actually increased about 10,000 square feet by by lowering this uh which gives us a a better um Wildlife Corridor here almost a full 20 WID feet width for the whole way except for one small area here um um and we also eliminated a couple of infiltration systems because as we took the water from the whole building here and put it into this Pond um we didn't need the infiltration system that was in Isle F and there was another smaller one over here that I just combined and I have that water now going into this uh Center Island uh also last thing um that came out of uh DPW and Engineering is we had the high point of the road about 80 feet in and they didn't want the water to flow back onto uh brick hilling so I moved that high point to the property line so only like 20 feet goes back on um in accordance with uh you know engineering's wishes so those are the basic civil site changes I've done um the dry Swale shortened up a little bit because this hill goes up here um so I I didn't want to really dive into the hill there um everything else I I think civil wise Remains the Same um we are working with the landscape architect right now on the design of this Pond and the planting scheme for that because um we don't want it to be in eyesore as we drive up it's one of it's right on the main uh thoroughfare coming into the property and we don't want to distract from this beautiful building other than that uh I think we went through we we addressed the comments that were uh put out by uh engineering and I think we send you guys a copy of our responses um and I think that's it from a civil point of view um I guess I'll turn it over to Jen oh we have a question here first yeah oh yeah I'm sorry ma'am right I'd like to say that the documents you sent us are really clear I appreciate that and you've worked cooperatively with all of the Town departments you needed to Paul you had a question I have two for me one is uh you mentioned the hydrodynamics unit Place oil separator grit and oil separator is that a much larger unit how does that fit in with yeah oil oil grit separator is similar to like a septic tank has two Chambers gets grit one side oil on the other side the hydrodynamic separator is a smaller unit it's uh goes in a manhole and it swirls the water and in that in the middle is out where you collect your uh your sediments and your oils okay the other question is can you very briefly talk about the parking most of the comments if you answered are in here and you're making to the chains thank you but there's a lot of discussion about the parking between the church and why can you just summarize that real briefly I can summarize that quickly for you sir um I think I have a parking calculation down on one of So currently we have and I can't see it from here I got my glasses so Curr there's 17 six total spaces there you did blow it up for me there's a total of 176 spaces on the whole uh parking lot um I don't know how he blew it up but he did it pull back yeah please it's a big file with a lot of overlays so it's not always the fastest thing to respond as I said there's 176 parking spaces in five AES um along the front aisle right at the church I think there's 32 spaces dedicated just to the church um there'll be signage um indicating so um not cooperating with right lock up I think your written material said that you were actually adding to the parking available to the church and that you are working with them closely yeah and and the thing is we have the overlap so there's like 80 spots there that the church can use so if they have a big event uh currently they have 49 spaces right now we're going to give them 34 dedicated spaces but then they have the opportunity to use another 80 spaces and the beautiful thing is is with the shared parking is that they they're off times right the church people typically are Sunday morning a lot of people aren't using the Y facility Sunday morning so there going to be people going in their exercise but they're not going to be your your after school uh people um and swimmers and stuff really early in the morning so that the overlap works good so even though we took their parking from uh 49 to 34 if you add on the shared parking they go up to 126 they have more parking than they they have Now by by threefold and um my question is that a legal agreement between the church and the Y I can I can actually speak to that Mr drer what I just handed Miss Harris is an easement agreement that is to be executed and recorded as part of the closing process so we're we're nearing our closing date with with the church gave it to us yeah y so um we are that that hasn't been executed yet because that's going to be executed as part of the closing process but that's part of our agreement with the church is that there is the share parking and uh and the benefit is the the YMCA is taking on the cost of the construction for the parking area and the maintenance of the parking area which is something that won't be on the church moving forward another question so far John uh yes I have uh three questions excuse me they're 20 20 ft along the side of the uh roadway that you mentioned yes sir is that going to remain undisturbed undisturbed there are some dead snags in there there I think um Mike may talk about later that he wanted to clear out of the because the trees they're they're not real good health um but there are some specimen trees we had to identify um but yes we're going to keep that as natural as we can okay and secondly uh how many Erv stations are you proposing here we're proposing four right now that that's going to be up in up in Isle F so there's going to be uh four right now as then there's going to be another um 14 that are ready or for 16 that are ready have you determined whether they're going to be fast charging or not uh I I've called out for um um type two but we haven't vetted that out completely yet no that will come out of MEP and and uh and uh my third question is the retention Pond that you have right there yes sir what would be the I I don't see the plan here but what's the depth of that it's a about six feet deep but um that's one of the things we're working on to try to expand it um and to lower that depth because we don't want a big hole in the front yard we had an accidental drowning in Falmouth uh over by the Falmouth Mall years ago a similar type of a pond froze over two young boys were walking across and one fell through and drowned that's Terri so we definitely want to make sure that we don't have the same kind of situation Yeah by by um Mass storm water policy these have to drain in uh 72 hours drain dry so three days days I just find a way to either protect around the side so that no one can enter or I'll I'll work with you uh I just want you to be aware of what happened in the past and you certainly wouldn't want this to happen here never right thank you go ahead with your presentation that's about it I was going to uh let Jen take over now and and talk about the building components that have uh progressed and if you guys come up with any more questions I'll be sitting right over here thank you I make one final comment I I like the concept of lowering and the floor to eliminate that retaining wall along the wildlife Cara and also I think it's a benefit for the villages to the South thank you hello everyone I'm Jen hawman with SV design the YMCA's architect trying to get back to the presentation next one over sorry I can't see it from this angle okay okay um good evening after our last conversation uh we gave a lot of thought to some of the comments and it's SV the YMCA their board um and we did make some tweaks that I'll talk about but overall we respectfully disagree with the notion that the front end is a dated design one of the things that we looked at um and is just some of this is a little bit of a recap is some of the the angled columns are a bit of an abstraction and they are not meant to be literal but they are a bit of an abstraction of the local vernacular architecture and Landscape architecture and I have some imagery um further along some of this you've seen previously but trying to take the feel of some of these natural features and bring them into the architecture of the front entry the intent is for this to be abstract to be unique to be a little contemporary special and appropriate to a YMCA in fouth we did agree however that some of the angles were a little too severe and I think that may have been kind of leading to some of the reaction and so I'm going to flip through so we took a couple of additional views as well sort of closer up um under here so we did kind of even out some of the angles as well so they became a little bit um softer in terms of the exact tilt of some of those columns both front to back and side to side so trying to take a little bit of that um sort of severity of the angle and and bring it in a little bit uh without trying to strip out some of the angles and the design features that make that entry special a couple other just sort of notes is that the Y has um luckily successfully raised over $25 million in funding for this building largely based on renderings um of the front of the facade that the community is really rallying behind um as Kevin mentioned the Cape Cod Commission did vote unanimously to approve this including um sort of an in-depth staff review specifically of this front entry um we also just wanted to note I know that everybody's aware of this but just as a reminder that this is not a historic neighborhood it is sort of insular because of the nature of the lot you cannot see this from the street um and that the angles of the front of the facade here do tie into the rest of the building design and you can see um here along the long wall of the facade of the pool that this screen is held up by both straight and angled pieces uh we also have um the back of the gymnasium facade which is otherwise a very big block of solid mass that we broke up with angle trim um so we are respectfully requesting your approval of this modified design I saw that you had calm down the angles so thank you for that and I assume that your your client was going to be the final decider on that any other comments from the board about those angled pillars I just have one observation I happen to be in the L area this weekend and I passed a YMCA and I don't know if it was a repurpose building or not it look like a factory in LOL is that you mentioned near LOL okay this is much nicer I'll have to give them my business card but I think that speaks the vernacular a it must have been repurposed to save money otherwise they wouldn't have done that and that was in John so i' like like to mention that when this came fromont of the Cape Cod Commission for review there was some concern about the looks as you remember and I assured them that when it came to the fouth planning board that we had design review and we would Tred to address this with you folks I personally think it looks like a 1950s Motel now that's what the entrance reminds me of so uh I'm not I can't speak for everyone else I just speak for for myself so that's my opinion yeah mine's the same any other comments plus or minus boosta boost you know everyone will see it slightly different one adding the extra elevations helps to understand the building any other changes that you've made that you want to highlight thank you so the primary changes that we made were to the site plan um civil engineer drawings that that Stu reviewed and some tweaks to the exterior renderings here as well as Jen has reviewed um beyond that I know Stu's been in touch with the engineering department uh we submitted everything hopefully with the intent of having comments back from engineering and uh prior to this hearing which I understand wasn't able to happen but I think that we can you know I think most of those comments have been addressed and none of them are um heavy in nature more more questions presented Department that that as I said I think will responded to um that is our presentation basically in full um I'd be happy to address any questions the board may have in general or but any specific aspect of this um and otherwise would defer to I have one question and it's really um not a concern of the board but a concern of the Town um with the funding that's available now is it sufficient to start uh our expectation is well bear in mind the funding the funding that we've received 25 million to date has been without all the necessary permits in hand so once we have the necessary permits which is this board and the zoning board the last remaining hurdles um I expect that we'll have even more coming in but we are about 94% of the way towards the fundraising goal of 28 million um so I the expectation is that there'll certainly be more fundraising occur over the next few months and uh the hope is to be shovels in the ground by September okay John I just want want to make one more comment please um I my personal opinion of the looks of the front of this building the rest of the building looks terrific and I have no issues with it but I also want to mention there's probably some people that don't know what a f 1950s Motel looks like so you're willing to drop it but only if you make your point again well I just want to say that some people probably have not seen a 1950s Motel true to me they just look temporary yeah because uh if if you've ever uh rebuilt a porch Tom would know uh and you have a roof over it you support it with temporary polls and that's what it reminds me of but you know I mean let's get it built I don't you know really I'll be honest when I first saw it I was iy but I've really come around on it and I think having read the design memo understanding where the inspiration for it came from came from you know I do think that and and especially seeing it in in connection with some of the other exterior renderings where they do show some of displayed supports along the pool I think it all ties in really well and I but I'm not the person you want to ask for for design advice so well as long as we're not dropping it immediately I will continue on it's very far from the water so that any relationship it might have in a design basis to Wars and structures near the water is kind of lost and most people people are never going to walk all the way around the building they're going to see the front they're going to walk in and they will see the exterior slightly angled pieces of the windows from the interior rather than from the exterior so it's just you know it's one of those things but it could have gone either way and familiarity makes everything look better as soon as this is built and we're all used to it and we like what goes on it's going to be fine and its way into the woods so off the street will be a handsome building I don't mean to run it down but I I think that we're ready to move forward um I wonder if we could ask for a positive motion for the next meeting I think we do need to open a public comment we have some th yeah there are some more things you have to complete but I'm assuming you will be able to by the next meeting is that right so I think we've I think we've done our homework pending any further comments from the engineering department I think any decision from this board could be um conditioned Upon Us complying with theore storm water review from the peer revieww um because I don't think we've gotten any additional feedback on that as well but I think that's a condition you've done a number of times in the past and we'll be happy to agree to um so I don't as of the moment I don't believe there's any pending homework on our end not that I'm aware of either uh just a reminder to two things one you do want to take public comment um and two the engineering referral simply hasn't come in yet on the latest revised plans that they're showing I've actually been getting public comments because there's a lot of nodding of heads about going forward but if there's anyone here who wants to comment on that please do it now come forward mam chair members of the board hi my name is Mike salamando I'm with the village of brick kilm LLC with the abutters I want to say we're we're very much in favor of of the why but there I have some concerns and and in the wildlife and it has to do with the wildlife quarter is um as was mentioned a lot of the trees are design a lot of the trees are you know they're not in good health I'll put it that way and to leave them and to cut cut the rest of the trees bare we need to do needs to be something more than just a six foot fence there is a barrier and we we've been forced to put the houses off our natural off our street uh that that we're that we put in by the board and we're pushed up against the back line and now we're 20 feet off the roadway in some of these areas now I didn't know that they changed the retention Pond okay so that that's a good thing I think so that's not going to be there up against the back of that first house coming in and we had already cleared out on the sewer lines um anyway we we've made a structure uh that was fairly uh well it was it was almost it was unusable for the town and it it was it was taken I think in 1954 erected 1958 and I don't know if anybody touched it since it since it was there but we cleaned it out and made it usable again but we were going to have some problems if if the U if that I think if that retention area was constructed the way it was but I think it's now as you mentioned that's one of the thing that's that's flowing out so that's something that I didn't know that I wanted to to bring up but my really concern is the roadway coming in and why we can't belly that in you know towards the church property a little bit more to get to get some break for the for the homeowners to live along this area here along this along this St to the roadway and I only say that CU we're pushed over here this road up against the cars going in and out you can see how many our our homeowners are right up against this line here there's the wildlife cor 20 ft and then there's a 6ot fence I mean I don't I would just ask that the Board address this as if you live here okay and what would you like to see I'm putting I'm planting right right along here as much as I can I uh I wish I had more room because i' put more trees I've already put a number of White ponds there now and U in Giants a few giant alities or many giant but it's still not going to be with with with this tra coming through here why if they can share parking why they can't share more for the driveway with the church is my my only it's my only concern I understand your point could the designer uh come and talk about the placement of that roadway so two things one is that we do have this long um six foot fence that comes around um here here and then also in here we are currently working with our landscape architect to create um Evergreen um screening probably some kind of Arbor VY to come around that side so that these Arbor vities around that whole length of that fencing piece that backs up to the Village property we'll have um Evergreen screening on the residential side of that fence the other thing that uh we're unfortunately sort of stuck with is this pinch Point here so in terms of of bending the driveway around it sort of has to come through here and then once we're past that choke point we were trying to bring it um into the site and toward the front door as much as we can once we're past this point um well this is actually better than what was there originally it is better but my point is if all of a sudden you're combining the two parking lots together because originally that wasn't the case there were two separate ones at least that's the first first one that I saw and now that they've combined both why can't they combine the access as well so I I don't really want to speak for the church but I can tell you that the church doesn't want to prohibit their further potential sale of of their property or even further subdivision of their property so while they're willing to provide us with an access for parking at the rear uh they the church was not interested in being part of the driveway for the YMCA um they they were very clear with us that that the entry point would be on the property that we purchased from them not across their property now we've worked out an arrangement that's beneficial to both parties for parking at the rear of the church um but you know if we were to take access through the church lot that would effectively prohibit them from from doing anything else with that lot moving forward right Kevin could you point out where the boundary is so the actual property boundary if you follow this line right here this is the the property boundary this is the current Church driveway which comes into what is currently the church parking area here right um so you know what we're doing is basically leaving this area here dedicated to the church this is the shared parking and then we have the Y parking on the Y site um but the the church was very clear they the one this is the director's home here and uh this is the church building here they did not want their driveway to be the driveway access point for the YMCA so his question why couldn't you move the drive balloon the driveway more toward the church is no you don't have the land we don't have the land and and and more than that the church you know has has considered a number of possibilities for what they might do with their own land moving forward and the way it's left they could potentially cut that into two lots right thank you is there anyone else who wishes to speak I have one oh sorry go ahead the only other thing that I would like to see see instead of the fence they there's going to be plenty of material some of the stuff unless it's a balanced site which I don't think it is uhuh please address your remarks this way I'm sorry my background is engineering so I just I just so I'm just kind of directing it to you and the engineer why don't I don't think it's a balanced site you're going to have some excess in here because it even because of the seller and everything else why not create instead of the the fence you know why don't we just create a burm on your side of the wildlife corter replant it because most of those trees keep the The Good The Good the good of specimens all right but then increase you know even with smaller plants on a burm is going to do much better than the six foot fence that they propose as far as screening I'm I'm looking for screening we keep the wild life I mean Cara I I I I think that would be a better and they use they they'd save money uh by T not to truck it off truck the material off the site they could keep it on the site and build a burm all along there I think that they've heard your suggestion so thank you I think all I asked is the board look at this as if they were going to live there that's thank you we're very much in favor of it as are we is there anyone else who wishes to speak so Jen if it's okay with the board we would get ready for a positive motion we have already started drafting you a positive motion keep in mind that they um will be applying for a special permit the for the parking in the front yard that hearing will open on the 28th of January so that is your next meeting um if you would like we can have um at least a a skeleton or an outline of that positive motion for you at that time yeah let's take a look at it provided another site plan review with that special permit just a special per just a special permit okay no we're not but this issue they're talking about increase the burm or Landscaping will we have time to see if the one of wants to do that items that I was going to communicate to the applicant is you know part of site plan review is a landscaping plan so that is the one element that is missing from the application I thought we submitted the Landscaping plan unless I've missed it I'll for two I'll double check the submitted I thought we had but if not I I have it I we can submit tonight um yeah I obviously we're we're willing to to consider sort of all the options but I think what what Mr salamando had just suggested would require basically clearing their Wildlife Corridor which would seem to frustrate the entire purpose of the wildlife Corridor I don't think that would be able to do that um we're not going to rule anything out but I think that what we've suggested provides an off a lot ofs so to summarize um provided that the engineering referral comes back and it's um items that can be easily modified or taken care of and that we have a landscaping plan we can provide you at least with those documents at at the next meeting and you can go from there and that's the 28th that's the 28th of January yeah okay we hope everything comes together by then come I mean I've actually been in the property that looks out the back window and see how close that road is to the house it's very close and and and it's going to impact the people there forever this is a major thing and I not so sure that the idea of a bur and planting isn't a really good one I I'd like to see them explore that if if you all had go stand in that house and say that's going to be your room and you're going to look out right there where that pinch point is there it's really really close and it should be considered it's a major thing and I I think it's not a lot of money and I and if you're really worried about the wildlife quarter think the animals will be able to get by the burm I'm not so sure that work in a wild life quarter I think the important thing about Wildlife quarter is not blocking it but letting the animals go back and forth is my understanding what it is I think we should just be a little considerate way it pinches in that little bit right there to the it hits the neighbor I mean I I suggest if you wanted to go go stand in that house and look out the back window I've done it so I I I understand the point I just want to point that out I can picture it I see it from the street you can see it it's it's it's a pinch point it's close I agree with Mr Fox I've driven in that area as well we should be a little bit more considerate I think they've heard you we'll see what comes up I do stand corrected you did submit a landscaping plan we will provide it to the board for the next meeting you can discuss it and I I appreciate the consideration that is a good idea I'm also anxious to get it approved and get it moving forward so let's work on both absolutely we uh we have to be neighbors with Mr salamando and the owners at that property for forever so it's in our interest and their interest to be able to work out something that makes sense for everyone good good thank you okay I think we're ready to move on else any other public comment it didn't seem to be anyone else next up we have uh next applicant is vot motion for Jed to draft a positive no I don't no we just give him Direction and then he he does it we don't do that by a motion okay okay just checking so far he's gotten the message every time thank you all very much we really appreciate your time thank you it's a great project uh lawen ly realy Corporation this is uh a site plan application to construct a solar Rota carport canopy system over gravel parking area at uh 459 blacksmith shop Road speaking for this we have uh good evening uh mam chair and members of the board my name is Mike Patterson I'm from next grid um with me today is Rob Bowski from Weston and Samson help us present it should be minimized in the train got it I think it's the one right before this one you go there is okay I apologize um excuse me so we were uh here on December 10th uh we got continued so we tune our presentation uh requesting a minor modification to the original site plan approval from bgo solar from June 2019 uh there were some questions and comments from the board as well as uh the department which uh Weston and Samson provided um responses to those comments um I know a couple of the big things were uh when we were here first time there was some outstanding taxes uh back tax on the property those have been paid uh and the payment was registered um also I think a big contentious point which uh apologies um there was uh the word carport um which obviously we know this is in the uh Water Resource Protection District parking cars is not allowed in this so again we do apologize it's kind of like a general term for elevated uh solar installations but it is a canopy it is a ground mounted canopy mounted uh Solar Ray system we have no plans on doing any type of parking uh we're just here to request uh the approval of the solar portion so we can build what is uh known as the northern portion of the um from the original GGO solar approval all right I think our issue is the height of the canopy yes ma' we discussed that the last time you were here um so uh we came back with that it's in the um the updated design so little the bottom so the clearance is 22 ft uh the top will be approximately 28 ft uh my understanding is the maximum height in the agricultural a is 35 ft um it's also important to remember this is a quite low depression um so I do not believe that the top of the canopy will will'll get to the ground level and there's also um the areas completely surrounded sorry uh surrounded with trees let's see here so yes so the top of the canopies will be approximately 30 ft tall uh and then there's a steep elevation to the top of um call it the top of the bowl and then on top of the bowl it is heavily forested all the way around so there's really no possibility of seeing the site uh from outside of it uh without going to the access road right I spent some time really trying to study it from the uh topographical and satellite maps that that Google provides and it look as if those that's uh got a series of pits stug there that's what's there now now this yes currently it is a uh a sand sand excavation pit right it's what's left after it's been mine so is your plan is to level that so our plan is to level out the bottom and then as you can see there's also two these are water retention areas infiltration areas uh so yeah the idea is to just level it out so we can have a uh better building um footprint for the solar arrays okay and our concern before and we discussed it quite a bit is that we've created the opportunity to do something that you that the zoning doesn't allow you to do yes I understand granted there is also um a gated access point um to get into the place again yes we are building an elevated um solar rate the idea is at some point someone else may want to come and Lease the space underneath for for an allowable use in this area well there do not seem to be very many allowable uses at all I agree ma'am I agree what do you consider an allowable use the current provision from what I saw there's um looks like a special permit would be required for a storage location for uh fertilizers soil conditioners um obviously there are specific specifications on the requirements for storing that material um again so this could be um an opportunity for that again we're not requesting approval for that all we're requesting is the approval for the solar and then obviously if we lease the space beneath the canopy at a later date to someone it would be their responsibility to come before this board to request approve for an approved use of that space they' actually go to the zoning board they would go to oh it's a special permit yeah my apologize they'd go to the zoning board you're right they have to come again to the town yes ma' that's true that's some protection but a more definite protection would be lower solar arrays is it easier to service those arrays if they're higher in fact do they need servicing granted for like that the panels themselves I imagine the only real service would be I mean if we lived in a much drier AA it would be washing them obviously we get a decent amount of rain um not recently this last year was pretty bad pretty dry um but there's really no maintenance on those U the equipment that may that would need semiannual maintenance would be the equipment that's uh mounted on the concrete pads so this equipment and obviously servicing that is you know easy enough it's easily accessible uh but the canopy itself there's really no like maintenance that needs to be done on it uh if and again these systems are fully um monitored so let's say we notice that um production has gone down I mean it could be there could be dirt or dust on that and if that is you know the only allowable um cleaning of them is just water there's no scrubbing there's no any type of a detergents uh but again it's pretty limited the amount um that that's require or that it's needed anyone on the board have any questions questions no I I I don't have any concern about the height because you want to maximize your solar gain so that's why they're higher um and when it comes to any future use of what's underneath we do have the zba that's going to take care of any uh questions about that and anything that comes before them for a use we don't do uses they do so uh I feel comfortable uh with putting it in their hands that's good to hear I do too I think the property owner needs to kind of spending a lot of money and they should protect uh future in income sources that are allowed by right or or through special permit uses I think that's a a prudent construction project to do that I guess I'm going to be outvoted well I can understand but I don't think we should control their uses by a height restriction I think that's I don't think I don't think that's our job okay any member of the public wish to comment Jed so um I have drafted a positive motion for you in the event that you're comfortable I do have a couple of questions related to it so if I may just to the applicant please go ahead um the chain link fence is that going to be around the entire site or just the battery storage area just the battery storage I know um Wesson and Samson had a meeting with apologize I am blanking on the name I think his name Chuck Chuck Martinson yes uh had a meeting he had some concerns regarding um the fencing in like the certain areas here here and here um just because due to their proximity to the I'm going to call it the pit wall um so he just had requirements of a 4in critter grab right around uh as well as minimum of 5 ft um defense being 5T away from the bottom of the embankment uh to prevent any possible um obstructions to amphibian access or the possibility of some animal getting stuck between the pit wall and the fence right and you said the top of the uh canopy itself would be approximately 28 or is it 30 uh 28 to 30 ft 28 to 30 ft okay uh the bottom part is 22 feet and there's some space for the rest of the structure as well as the canopy or the uh uh the racking and the panels so okay and apologize if you mentioned this before um the number of panels that were previously approved uh in 2019 is that changing in this proposal are you are you remaining with the same number of panels uh I am not quite sure what the original was um or how many like specific uh panels it was the production will be going higher that I mean it's been five years so just the uh efficiency of panels has gotten significantly better since then but the overall size of the project the north array and the South array remain the same I believe so yes okay and the battery storage sites now I didn't noticed them in the previous approval are these new um new locations from our past the 2019 approval I'm not sure if you're familiar with that that that I do not know I do know that it you know it came with a battery system but you know because we obviously the layout is a little bit different what they proposed it's probably slightly different location okay that's all I have for questions um I'll just not in if you're comfortable the draft uh motion that I prepared for you clearly indicates I didn't know the proposed height of the uh panels until tonight so you'll see that in bold red um and you can just insert 28 to 30 feet and then um condition number condition number three which indicates that the 7 foot chain link fence would be around the entire facility that would be edited to just the battery storage areas so those two modifications if you're comfortable can be made to the draft motion if you want to read that into the record uh yes I don't think we have to close the meeting just a public meeting so you're yep you're safe if board's comfortable we can go forward and hear the motion Bob do you want read it um you got I think it's right there okay draft January 14 2025 motion that the planning board vote to approve the application of black Sy shop solar LLC to modify the previous site plan review approved of June 20th 2019 to now install an elevated photo voltaic TV solar array on the North array at 4559 blacksmith shop Road under Section 240 12.2 site plan review of the zoning body law findings on June 20th 209 the planning board voted to approve an application for bgo Sola system Inc under a site plan review to construct 7,330 5 kilowatt large scale ground mounted foot Sol of V photo voltaic PV and energy storage systems at zero blacksmith shop and then zero Locust Field Road that application consisted of two arrays referenced as the north array and the South array in the 2019 project plan set this minor modification will only affect the north array which since the 2019 approval has yet to be built the project consists of elevating the previously approved solar array from a height of 9 ft to a future height of X feet uh which is now 28 to 30t and providing a gravel ground cover below the structures additionally earthw work is proposed to grade the gravel area in the embankments and a storm water management system is proposed to treat runoff from the proposed impervia surfaces utilities include the solar PV canopy battery energy storage systems electrical equipment inverters Transformers Etc and interconnection this modification is only to elevate the solar array does not include a proposed future use under the array uh no screening trees are proposed as part of the project existing vegetation is proposed to remain around the perimeter of the site conditions the plan shall be instructed as approved any changes shall be reviewed by the planning board to determine it modification this decision is necessary two at no time shall the land under the proposed elevated solar a be used for any purpose without prior approval from the town any use within the limits of the site will need to be submitted for acceptance by the town and comply with the requirements of the Water Resource protection overlay District Six the applicant shall file storm water management permit and be with the Department of Public Works engineering division prior to any land disturbance seven any connections to Al or alterations to Public Utilities would require permission from the appropriate town of departments yeah those are the ones in blue any questions yeah I have one okay go ahead I'm curious the fourth paragraph on the findings we talk about a constructed 7,330 5 kilowatt why we have five significant figures I'm not sure you can measure it that closely I am not an expert in that field what you say that again your question my question is why is there five significant figures on a solar array you can't measure it that closely why don't you just drop to 0. five and say 7330 I've gone to court over this that's why it made it sensitive if you put two many figures on it I would suggest desty and not worry about the rounding it was it was what was approv so for the record there are additional in there's additional information in the draft motion um you simply are reading every sort of a summarized version not to go through the entire thing and there will be a total of nine conditions um and so um member very noted only four of them um but we can certainly share the the decision with the applicant after it's uh finalized tomorrow morning is there any unusual condition or are they the standard ones no they're they're fairly standard so there's um conditions that were included in the previous uh approval so as an example uh the last condition is the applicant shall notify the planning board by certified mail of any change in ownership of the solar project and the underlying parcel um so that comes in handy obviously if you know things are to sell or to be conveyed in any way um there was the condition about the chain link fence again that was just related to the battery storage area and then soil and erosion and storm water those are standard conditions keep it all on site okay then we're ready to take a vote Yes okay that is did we get a second I don't think so is there a second one second all in favor I you're ready to go ahead thank you thank you very much I appreciate your time and having evening good luck with it next up JJC Development LLC site plan review application to construct 11 two-bedroom apartments in three one-story structures at four sandwich Road and this is our second or third time around with this one Mr hit good evening thanks Madam chairman good evening B comment umou attorney um this is our second site plan review hearing Tom Bunker who prepared the site plans is with us again um Eric esand for the uh applicant that enterprises and uh the architect John Keenan had an appointment at the Boston Garden tonight right so he was not able to do um we made some revisions to the plans which uh reflect suggestions made um at the last um meeting so I'm going to pull up this site plan and use it uh to point some things out maybe the most uh significant change is in response to the concern about trying to provide some storage for the tenants actually added a storage shed it's really part of the architecture it's not it's not a freestanding shed it's a part of each building we'll show you that on PL and so each unit now has its uh own shed large enough for storage of household goods but also large enough for some comp to keep um um children's bicycles and adult bicycles um so we not only have provided um what I think is important uh bike storage it's uh covered private and safe storage that people would be able to have I point out there is a bike rack uh already existing um at the Dunkin Donuts nearby uh we could put in a separate bike um a rack on the site besides providing for all the tenants um but maybe it's not necessary I don't think it is necessary because we've also show a play area all of which is fenced in a significant area um for the uh use of the tenants and um we've extended the sidewalk to get to it um and I suppose a visor could attach a bicycle to the to the uh fencing um if necessary um we've also now have uh every entrance to the buildings the front and back are are all covered which is a nice uh U benefit this plan shows the uh lighting Illustrated as illuminated thought that was pretty clever on the part of uh Tom Bunker to be able to show that um and what's interesting of course is that that all this lighting is away from the abing properties um so it's the lighting itself is significantly separated from other properties but it's also for the most part screened by the uh buildings themselves the only Lighting in the back of the buildings uh affecting other properties and it won't affect them because this would just be a um a downlight um in the ceiling of the covering over the entrance I think that's really a good result for um for the lighting we're showing um the um traffic flow um it's all one way except just in this area now the plans that uh have been filed um with the board and that were reviewed by the engineering department showed this as one way even in here that was a mistake it was intended that this would be two-way so that uh but only up to here so that cars parked along here or in here would be able to um exit without having to go possibly within the queue for the the um fast food drive-thru not having to go this way we should be able to park in this space and just go out so that's uh two-way we think that the um traffic pattern the flow through the drive-thru is optimal the way it's shown any other plan that would for instance try to go through this or something it doesn't improve anything it um it becomes very complicated this one-way traffic flow is much better um we've slightly changed the layout of the parking in front of the buildings there's some question has raised by the engineering department whether these spaces 15 and 16 in front of the first building would interfere with uh cars entering the site um these are not in the front yard they're set back more than 35 ft from the street um for a car to be able to just back out here and leave uh especially given uh that it's residential parking and wouldn't be used all that would there wouldn't be that many trips we think it's fine however if otherwise there is the possibility right along here of creating uh three parallel parking spaces the distance between the building this is shows better on the other PL let's give you it so this distance between these parking spaces and this especially for oneway traffic is plenty wide to be able to have three parallel spaces along here if you widen the pavement by a m 2 feet so we could do that um and it does suggest that um you know there are options for how to locate 38 parking spaces on the site um but even that as you know we think is ough it meets the bylaw and is required is excessive because we don't need 18 parking spaces for the 18 seats that are inside the um the Duncan Don building and we're providing two parking spaces for each apartment I keep in mind that now only one space is required if this was a Mr Cod project and the Mr Cod Zone actually ends at our property line so but we're providing two parking spaces for every residential apartment um Bus 18 for the Dunkin Donut store we've counted about 50 trees that will get removed in order to and they're all shown on this plan [Applause] um but as shown on that landscape plan which is pretty much this uh this plant shows 79 trees to be planted 43 of them and Tom Bunker says he's got another one to add are um screening trees and um provide quite a lot of buffer um the rest are shade trees or flowering trees but the proposal shown on the plan is for um a mix of 79 n trees the fencing has been extended that was uh brought up at the last herrings we've got fencing it would go all the way to connect to the existing fencing that's between these two two business owned properties remember that the property to the north is uh though it's in residential use it is a business- owned U property as I mentioned the uh plans do show um the um illumination Illustrated um there was some question asked about lighting existing lighting at Dunkin Donuts and so I've noticed that um when the Dunkin Donuts store is closed at night surprisingly there is no lighting at all lighting up that building the only light is some lighting inside um the building um and even when the store is open at night the existing lighting is very subdued um very much so there is uh pole lighting but it is uh um it's surprising how little impact it must it would have on the abutters certainly on I would think on the abutter the residential abutters to the West um the revised plan shows a path to extend uh to the street and the purpose of this path really is to access uh this existing area remains of an old curb cut there was a suggestion that there should be an area provided for uh children and parents to congregate um in the morning or to be received in the afternoon from a school bus and that's the reason why we've shown that path and the reason why we're pro proposing not to landscape that existing area there is a similar area farther to the north that's shown to be a Rel landscaped we could certainly landscape this area but again we thought it was a good idea to to provide uh that area for that purpose and it was a suggestion uh of the of the board and you seem to have decided against a sidewalk I'm sorry you've decided against a sidewalk along the street yes we haven't shown a sidewalk here and that's of course a a major issue to discuss um the engineering department and its referral uh provides a lot of input for uh improvements within the roadway um they would like to see the um Granite curbing extended um on the South Side that's this side of Sandwich Road I'll try to bring up a plan that's for shows the whole site here guess that'd be this and they would suggest that there be Granite curving and a sidewalk all the way from the northern uh radius of the entry to the the property line well the sidewalk on sandwich Road already exists all the way from um Route 28 to um brick Hill Road on the other side of the street there is a sidewalk and there is no sidewalk on the west side of the street um after about well after this curb cut after the south side of this curb cut um there is an existing uh path not mentioned by the engineering department that would does allow people to walk from these residences but here and it the path is uh paved and it Go and it's lit and it goes down side on the Southeast corner of the property the issue really is one of cost uh to make these improvements this an existing site for the Duncan Donuts um these residences don't require um these improvements as far as we're concerned and we're not sure of what the cost of them will be what we are sure about is we don't know if this project is feas feasable because we don't have all the costs that are about this is not a subsidized um project it is not a for sale project these units are for rental the board can restrict them for rental and the return is not quick and the return is not certain um the project just under construction on Main Street at at uh 464 Main Street that Joe Valley is building is being subsidized by the town to the tune of $125,000 per apartment a total of$ 1.875 million to make that project work it would not be going it would not be under construction otherwise now that is a project that is restricted rent restricted but the rentals from this project these are not large units they're on a they're not in a fancy location um are not going to be so much higher than the subsidized rents um than a rent restricted project that this becomes clearly doable so given what we're trying to do create Workforce housing on a business-owned property not at a density of 20 units per acre that Mr Cod would allow but at less than the six per acre this is two acres we're proposing 10 units of rental housing we don't know if it's going to work and I don't know and Mr scander doesn't yet know whether he can do this project whether economically it will work what we do know is that we keep if if we keep adding expenses which we think are optional a number of things that are in the engineering Department's referral say they recommend they're recommending a sidewalk and that it's up to the board now some they say are requirements close in and Landscape that area we're proposing to remain available as a congregating area and redo Granite Curbing and the textured ramp on uh both sides of the driveway um we would strongly ask the planning board to review those recommendations ations review what the what the uh engineering department says they would require and perhaps staff and we should have a meeting about it and figure out what can we really do but I think it is up to the planning board and it will be up to the zoning board of appeals to indicate what are the requirements and I think the town has to keep in mind that this is all weighing the benefits of a project versus the um detriment and here that we're not creating a detriment this all exists and if the town wants a sidewalk leading North to Nowhere the town could put it in if the town feels there should be Granite curbing the town can put it in we're not asking for a subsidy from the town for this rental project but we don't want to have too many expenses that are that burden the project Mr EMT is this another we've had uh owners who are who are building who have been here and have testified and they have built housing so that their own employees could find a place to live here in town and they maintain it as rental property for that purpose is there some intention here of the owner doing that the owner does not intend to sell this project no he's running it as a rental project I understand but is he in effect building housing for his workers um the expectation is that there will be workers that is employees of Duncan Donuts um who may live there but it won't be restricted to to uh dunin donut employees um the owner of this property um operates does doz of Dunkin Donuts franchises in southeast Massachusetts um over 50 and in the summer employs a thousand people many of them J1 workers um so there are temporary uh workers involved and they have experienced the loss of key employees because they could not help them find housing on the cape that's really what um was the Genesis for the idea of trying to create some housing on all the properties they don't own all the properties that they have franchises on but they own some of them and they have never done a housing project before they're this is an for them an accessory to this site it is the restaurant that is their business um they don't need to do this project it but it can't it can't be a a a money loser for them so um we would like to we would like it if the units could all be accessible absolutely impossible at the cost to to do that we would like it if the units even if not meeting all of the state requirements to be determin accessible which by the way is why we're doing duplexes because under the state regul ations the duplexes do not have to be all accessible we would like it if we could but we won't have this housing if we had to do that we would like to at least have the units be visitable meaning they don't have to have steps to get into the entrances The Architects have estimated the cost of making them visitable more than half a million dollars we're trying to do create housing we're we're one of those businesses which people say why don't you solve your own problem why don't you create housing well this owner is trying to do that um and we want it to be successful um and and we while we would like units to be visitable that's not a requirement and we're not showing that on the on on the plans uh but the same thinking is going into our reaction to the engineering department sure we'd like to do these things but we may not have a project if uh we don't know the answer to that yet okay so I just want you to think what do we what do we need to do uh for this to be a good project um and not get not have the the um you know perfect get in the way of something that would be very good and you know what I'm saying we do and I and I don't know the answers to you know so I don't know exactly what the costs are but neither does the owner know exactly what this could cost when he this gets built in the future so thank you for clarifying that thinking is there any questions from the board of concerns John I have a question yes on the one of the the U plans show a lot of green area around these the structures is that all going to be uh grass let me I'll pull up that landscape plan which I had a moment ago I think the answer is yes so everything I see green you're is going to proposed to be grass and plantings yeah I know Tom Bunker perhaps except the little are except the little area you want to REM remain paved Where the Sidewalk goes out to the road um right there about this area everything but that yeah well we not showing that as as the green but if it's green you're proposing to to have uh grass and plantings there that's yes we're showing the trees but we and I'm sure they'll be first um past performances uh is not a guarantee of the future but if you look at this site and the other Duncan Don it stores that uh Cadet Enterprises run they're really maintained beautifully I'm not I'm not question I'm sure that it will be similar I was asking is it proposed to be grass it looks green so yes but but it doesn't say on the plan what it's going to be you think uh the recommend was Tom bu assist uh think there's a key at the bottom but the the green is grass the brown is Mulch and shrub so there's more okay landscape shrubs yeah down there drought tolerant lawn says drought actually okay thank you the way the drawing's done with the illumination for the the down lights is really clarifies that whole situation thank you that's a good way to show it that was a uh they do a lot with lighting now they LEDs just only down lights and they can direct them very carefully like that and I particularly like the uh The Sheds that have been added and the covers over the doorways they're good improvements Bob what is the proposed rental going to be for these units uh well there may be special deals for employees but otherwise I assume it'll be just Market uh rate but again um this isn't going to be expensive um U rentals although it certainly will be expensive to some people I don't know what the figure will be about yeah Jim I'm almost up with it I had a couple of questions uh Mr bunker maybe the Wastewater system is going to pick up Dunkin Donuts do they have a system that's going to be abandoned and is there some kind of agreement between the two buildings between the two complexes and who's going to maintain that in the long term well the um it's all one site residences one owner the apartments will continue to be owned sorry it's all one site it'll all be common ownership okay it's all one that's a good answer yeah are they going to abandon the existing one dun Don says are they going to abandon what the existing SE system oh yes thank you as but as we've previously said at the last meeting um this site is in um a um Coastal Pond overlay District it's in the nitrogen sensitive area we are putting in a state-of-the-art um Nitro uh system for the resonances and we are going to connect the existing we're going to abandon the existing septic system for the Duncan donut store and we'll be connecting that to the dentification system uh we have submitted calculations for nitrogen loading and by using the uh Nitro system and connecting the existing flows to that system we will actually be reducing the um the the per pounds break or whatever the calculation is and we've given those those figures so it's it's really a gain as the uh Mr Cod District ends at the property line so does the Sewer District district and uh although in the 2016 uh permit site plan review decision that allowed the conversion of the uh Bank to the Dunkin Donuts said that this lot would be um part of the sewer either the plans have changed or that was a mistake because it is not mapped as in the sewer district and we've had discussions with Amy L about whether that could whether we could expand into that and hook up to the sewer and the answer is a clear no so instead we're required to use it uh the denotification system it's extremely expensive um throw out a figure do you have a figure in I no I was it's very expensive you've probably read about it articles in the Enterprise about that the cost of the for a single family house adds roughly $30,000 to one house and this is you know the equivalent of five houses that that's just the additional cost to to what would normally be accepted so this is a couple $100,000 cost to do this that's we think but we're going to hook up this the store one minor Point buildings are number two to six what happened to number one it's said donut shop the donut the Don number one at the requirement of the engineering department that we give that a number any member of the public wish to speak have any questions I have a question could you bring up the corner the top have to cut a microphone so I get it right you want um sir sir if you're going to speak could you come to the microphone and give your name thank you um Mike Bishop I actually live right next to my cousin Lori so i' be right in the corner seven I think like six the play are yes so where the play area is so my first question is what are these two things right here yeah those are the those are the leeching pits they're underground but because of the uh the CAD program they show always white circles but they're underground so they're invisible to one of them right below the p and play uh we have a a small grate to for the water to to catch the water but the other one and the one in the little triangular area um they'll just if anything just be a man a cover yeah um but it's not a big big thing like it looks so you mentioned the fencing how high is the fence that goes all the way around is a 6t training fence okay um do you have anything for noise abatement because like I said our properties are directly on there and I mean I grew up there I've lived there permiss my whole life so is Lori and it's a very quiet neighborhood it's all families that live there so this is a huge shock To Us by putting this pretty large development right in our backyard so if you could put some type of noise abatement there I think that would go a long way for The Neighbors yeah you just respond that currently we have nothing specifically noise of batement uh in that area um beyond the fence there's a little bit of room that we just show to leave in its present condition which is kind of viny and briy but I mean just with having a play area there obviously there's going to be kids there playing pretty often I'm assuming um but that would be a that would be my recommendation and appes or something like that across the whole you know on this side of the fence or other side or wherever you want to put them I think that would go a long way that's all I Mr bunker it looked as if you had changed the landscaping and placment of the play area in response to the abutter at the last hearing who also was very concerned about uh noise light and just the change in in her neighborhood and it looked mother oh well that was a Mary that you had made changes in response to that well we added the play area and uh um that that was one of the concerns where the people kids wouldn't have anywhere to go except in the parking lot but so yeah we that and and some little triangular Green Space both both areas have benches on it so it's not always rock as kids playing quiet time hi board my name is Lori Lopes I am an AB butter I am lot six um I'm just going to start off um with what Michael was talking about we go there um so it's a six foot fence um is the play area fenced in also and then the fence on the the um is the or can the children go right up to the fence that is going to be along the two properties I mean I have I have goats there I have you know pets and I am concerned about that the there on one plan I believe that lab is the go and I really it's a little bit over the line we're going to move it yeah well we avoided it with the fence so have the fence I mean I think it's like 18 in or something um and all through there the fence not go up all the way to the property line so there's some space beyond it which could be used for some other screening or whatever so there's no fence like so the kids will be able to go right up to the fence so Mr bunker are you suggesting that the abuts could plant in that extra space that won't belong to them no I'm suggesting that when they talk about possible screening or noise abatement I mean you know unless they wanted to give to them I'm not I'm not giving them permission to plant on this land I'm saying that perhaps something could be planted there I think they're suggesting Maybe the owner of this property could plant something there that's something we could think about as far as as far as noise or put up a uh a stock a type fence also which might perhaps would cut down the noise a little bit and that would be maintained by the property owners I'm sure cuz Stockade Fence doesn't last long um Al so I'm sorry is there only one fence from the like the kids can go right up to the fence they can okay so I'm a little concerned about that with my my animals and whatnot my dog and the kids um not right on the property line though so there but it doesn't um stop a child from climbing over it yeah so um when um Mr Fox said you went to the church and you looked out the window and you could see a chain link fence when I now look out my kitchen window I'm going to see a chain link fence and also a playground right in my backyard um also um is there No Light No Lighting in the play area I don't see it there's no Lighting in there well I think in response to testimony that we heard last time an effort was made to keep light out of there right well there was no playground last time no but there was an area abing your property than you were concerned about or someone was concerned about the light right that's we are concerned about that I'm I'm I'm just saying I don't see any Lighting in the play area is there no Lighting in the play area we have no lighting planned okay in the play area okay great um also few other my concerns the dumpsters where are the dumpsters yeah ex if I could move thank this cuz they right now they empty the dumpster to the present dumpster at Dunkin' Donuts at 5: in the morning will they be emptying this dumpster at the same time that'll be two dumpsters that are being emptied at 5:00 a.m. and sometimes a little earlier and I believe K kosa may have got a special permit to to um go earlier in the morning it seems a little early for me for us but they are they at 5: in the morning they they at the so the dumpster is the dumpster is here and it's that's the existing one no the existing one is around here this is the proposed dumpster is that's for the residents yes just one dumpster one dumpster here it's it's it's behind your house but it's lower this is again this this the elevation 55 and the ground appears about 64 63 or so 6 lower it's it's lower okay um so just um so will the dumpster still be emptied at 5:00 in the morning we can answer that I'm somewhat familiar with it I believe it's 4:30 I happen to live next to one of them also the town passed some kind of traffic mitigation thing for the to get the big trucks off the road so even though that you're not allowed to make noise in these areas till 7 a.m. they gave a waiver to the trash haulers to come at 4:30 and I live next to one of them and that's why I go swimming at 5:00 in the morning because I get up at 4:30 when the dumpster goes off and I happen to live in a mix zoning area and it is very annoying but that's a townwide permit that they've given to the trash trucks to mitigate traffic on their road yeah so it's not very fair for the residents to have toist it's all over the whole town though it's not just you and this that selectman it was it's everywhere it is done to get the big trucks in and out of Woods Hole and off the streets early so to for for traffic mitigation but if you happen to live next to one of these things it's not fun it's not fun it's not fun at all um I just have the D my life I just get up real early okay let's see um the lawn mowing is also done extremely early on Saturday and or Sunday morning mornings more than often it's a Sunday morning at exteme 6:30 7:00 in the morning so I'd like to have that addressed maybe also so now they won't only be doing the the business now they'll be doing the residentials which is even more so I'm telling you they're there I'll videotape them I will videotape them they're there on Sunday Saturdays and Sundays um also um before you go on Jed is that an allowable condition is that something the planning board can do anything about not typically during site plan review no the zoning board can though Zing that's a zoning a an a use related item not necessarily a um a maintenance I I would suggest that perhaps Property Owners work with each other so that they can accommodate each other and not have those types of activities happening too early in the morning so just neighbors working with neighbors here with us don't we yes and presumably he's listening I'm I didn't hear that I didn't hear I am listening um er from JJC development I'll address that I had no idea that they were going up on the weekends that early I just texted them right now to say you know is that really when you're doing because did he say yes he hasn't answered me okay do yeah he won't lie to me I'm sure if he if he is the uh it's usually Saturdays or Sundays early in the morning and it's more often sometimes Sundays yeah that's absurd I'll I'll address that thank you we would appreciate that thank you um yes thank you also um you know could we just once say no to te ticket you know te ticket has been it's more than it share of crowding this 1.5 miles 1.5 miles from this development is the Faxon property I mean that's 300 units this is an extremely I don't know if you've been out to the site have you any of you ever even been to that Dunkin Donuts yes have you very definitely it's a very small site you have to admit it's a very small cramped area that this is going to fill in extremely it's going to be overcrowded but if you don't say no then I'm guess we're going to just have to add I don't see any um foliage or anything up against the fences I see no landscape no you're taking down 50 trees they're going to put in 70 but that's only 20 extra the trees compared to you know so what what it what will they do along that fence I mean I don't want I don't want to look out a f and look at a chain link fence just like you said that that that um development shouldn't have to do Mr Fox you know they you looked out the back window of the church and you said I wouldn't want to look at house I was looking at it another I was looking at from another property but from the oh I mean that is literally right over my kitchen window where now I look at nothing but nice brush and natural trees Birds animals I'm going to look and I love children but I don't want to look out on playground and I don't want to look out on a um chain link fence could I could I comment on that that I live in a neighborhood too I think probably everybody here lives in a neighborhood and what I don't want to look at I have to plant a tree my neighbor's not going to do it that seems to be the way neighborhoods work well I won't be able to plant the trees in your own yard maybe we could get them to do that I'd like to point out this is B2 zoning it's the most intensive zoning we have in town and it's been that way for 50 years for when was it created I mean this is the B B2 is other than B1 which is downtown B2 is the most uh it's our business own and it and it and we're not changing this zoning it's been that way for when do we when was the zoning done 597 uh B2 District I don't know off hand it's been a long long time and that's you know we I you live next to a business Zone that's what you get I I can add about about screen these all the here are what's shown on the The Legend on the plan is screening trees screening trees so ARB cedar or possibly even where's my lot there where's lot six well it's just your lot is in here yeah where there's no trees yeah yeah I would like to requ you know maybe some more trees because no her lot's way up high 68 these are taken down 50 and only putting in you know you're only really adding 20 trees if you're taking down 50 and you're going to plant 70 I'm sorry I didn't I didn't get your name your your name is Lori Lopes Lori Lori Lopes Lori I understand that you know you really want to have an impact on what's going to be your neighbor and I think they're here and that they can hear you but you've made your point thank you I guess I've been dismissed effectively I hope but not rudely no no not rudely but dismissed moreth less that's okay thank you is there anyone else who wants to make a point no there is no point with this board finished her app points that that doesn't seem fair to me I'm sorry I hope you forgive me for that but it seemed fair to me so moving on the boss any further comments I is Danny figuro and I am lot eight when you show these screening trees in that space is that going to be left space or is that could be all the way down from lot line to lot line right now I look out I see trees I see Dunkin Dons somewhat they did put some screening trees originally when Dunkin Don was implemented which is great I don't have to look at it and now I look out and I see four buildings when most neighbors look out and see one neighbor so I like the screening trees all the way down I'm glad they put in the chain link fence but i' would also like not to be looking at four buildings when currently right now I all I see is Woods thank you Mr rment while suggesting that zoning that the that protecting neighbors of a business zone property from seeing the business is not a protected uh zoning right I think it's clear that this owner wants to be as benign as possible and certainly the land scaping which we've already said was 79 trees and I've already said bunker says he's putting in another screening tree can be further enhanced but the ability to do that and make this project work still has to be financially viable and I think that Mr scander would probably prefer to spend money on that buffer to NE and more trees and there's room to do it on this plan you know the lot coverage on this plan is only something like 14% this is not a small lot for the proposed use and as you know lot coverage by structures in the business Zone can be 40% and total lot coverage 70% we are so way below what's allowed in any case that gets back to the issue which we think is the most important about not being required to spend a lot of money out in the town street thanks b um in the play area right now is that treed as it is as it sits now because that's that about slot 6A so I'm just wondering if less trees were taken down and maybe the play area that's all pretty heavy grow we can't even see sandwich Road in the summertime and in the spring and the summer we see not none of it we have a plan that shows the trees to be removed so let's take a look at it I'm just wondering if what's there could be left and maybe the play area is uh shrunk a little bit yeah good idea so this is the play area in here and yes there are some trees in here um how close to the property line are the are the trees a second um this tree is about 35 ft from the property line do you have to do any clearance there for the um for the septic system it's not in that location no the septic system is out you could leave that alone well we do have leeching that is for storm water runoff in storm water drain ises in that area mean we can reduce the size of of the play area it's really quite expansive relatively um like I said we can put more trees in there I'm just wondering how many are are there already along that property line that's that's well they're shown on the first sheet on the uh I mean the significant trees are but I those are the significant it's more than just I me they could be some six foot White Pines or whatever you know the I I have no idea there other smaller trees a lot of R and Vines and things if if you'd recommend that we reduce the size of the playera we can probably a few of those trees would would that help the uh de Butters I think directly within 10 or 15 ft from the property line there's not really much PR sizeable trees yeah kind of scrubby in there yeah which scrub grow behind yeah does block block The View tall trees I know we have a a black chain link fence uh when we got the dogs and uh you don't see it and now it's all overgrown with all kinds of stuff too so I'm just wondering if there's any vegetation there that would kind of take root or you you plant some Ivy or uh something that would uh creep along the fence I would never PL I talk I yeah um there there's stuff there in the area that's up against the property line that's outside the limit to work and that would too creat some amount of buffer unless it was maintained if we planted aror or cedar trees there they probably would be with the vines as they grow back in yeah but yeah I'm just trying to seek a compromise mhm I think it might be better to have a play area but then also add a little more buffer planting along the edge perhaps okay excuse me um Bob could I show you a picture um just a moment please that's just not the way this operates if you wish to speak just come up to the podium come to the podium thank you sorry hone um Bob I have a picture of the back if you'd like to just see what it looks like I mean you didn't go out to the site to look did you I mean I can do that too you yeah maybe you maybe if you could go out and look that all of you that would be great yeah thank you okay okay I think we've given you our reactions um and you'll be back when would you suggest um it depends on the applicant I mean we have availability on the 28th of January um it really depends on the engineering referral I did not go through it um I didn't have time to go through it tediously so I don't know whether or not the applicant plans to make revisions related to those comments but it does sound like they might be making revisions so it really is up to the applicant if they can meet that timeline uh Tom has already started uh addressing the engineering Department's concern he's uh has the answers they want about some of the calculations um um the oneway traffic flow is already been revised because of that mean I think that it would be helpful to meet with with the planning staff um get his input on what's the best way to do this I we're especially interested in working with the town about what needs to be done and what doesn't need to be done in the street and so I think that we can do a lot uh we can address these things in the next couple weeks and hopefully get a um decision from the planning board on the 28th which would be good and I think we'll all make a point of taking a look at the engineering recommendations to see what we might be thinking about it so that we're ready to react uh that night and make a decision well I just heard uh what I think is important maybe if we focus more on uh buffers for the neighbors and less about building something in the street right away for a sidewalk we don't need would make it more adaptable and if Town wants to come in put a sidewalk on their own our own property 20 years from now because we need it we could go ahead and do it so I I'd I'd rather see the applicant put money into the buffer and plantings and not a sidewalk that we don't need now we might need it in the future but we can always put it in the future if we want we don't have to make this developer put a sidewalk to Nowhere In I'd rather see him put the buffer into the neighbor that's my own personal opinion so back off on some of the engineering requirements to make it perfect for the engineering and make it a little nicer for the neighbor my got a sense there are more engineering requirements than that I know there's a lot but I'm just saying we should take right we may not need them ball is what I'm saying no I I think hearing his concern we're to spend money visibility was important I think we should spend it on Buffer rather than engineering on Town property that's a good balance yeah okay the 28th thank you thank you yes we're all done I'm I'm sorry if you felt you were cut off I just felt you know we were beginning to repeat ourselves so maybe we could move on so this is now come up on the 28th yes M move to the 28th continue to the 28 accepted that it is okay we have um some more on our own agenda here um first up the 100th anniversary PA did you want to speak about that thank you thank you yeah good night I did a lot of research on the uh history of planning board and 100 years old last year and I thought' be appropriate if this board vote to send a letter to the town manager suggesting a proclamation of that nature we have not voted on I've drafted a a letter i' draft a proclamation and drafts we can discuss it you want to move forward with that you have some reservations I have no problem with the letter you're going to sign it the proclamation has to be a little bit more than what's in that letter well yeah but I didn't think it needed to be repeated in the letter um well wouldn't be lettered un necessarily right the letter kind of repeated the proclamation but any did anyone else have a chance to take a look at what Paul's proposing and have a reaction to it no no I would suggest a second one for example where the people are named in the first time meeting that's irrelevant we can drop that we can just say that they named 12 12 members and not put all the names in we can shorten those kinds of things we clean those things up but I think some of it is uh is worthwhile yeah Paul and I I actually found the names the most interesting part because they're still family names around here I was surprised at that and I you hear them all the time so and I I and I I would like to see the names included because that's if you look at our old maps and everything they didn't even have addresses back then they just said the person's name on the house in the street it is kind of like a old-fashioned way of looking at it and I I think we should stay with the names well if you want to change the letter as you want that's fine with me if you want to leave the proclamation way it is or change it that's fine too but uh I'm not hearing real good support from this board you talking about this one to um yeah I I think it's fine I thought it was fine also I have nothing to it's fine I didn't say it was against the AP like it the way it is yeah no no I SM was the pastor at the um St Barnabas and he started the Historical Society he mapped all the headstones at the old bearing ground the guy was a very significant player in the history of the town and he's named right in this planing board yeah which I thought was interesting so I agree I thought the names are really pretty cool Lawrence SM Dillingham it's a history of the town right there yeah yeah so right I you and I talked about it and it seemed okay to me at the time although the letter Bo bothered me so if you don't mind simplifying the letter um fine but usually proclamations one the 100th anniversary was last year this is now a different year so we're a little bit late on this which makes me uncomfortable but it's um you know mostly proclamations do something they say and therefore we put up a plaque or therefore we honor somebody or therefore you know just well I was asked to do the proclamation for the uh found a station yeah and I wrote something very similar oh they took a Verbatim and just signed it gave it back to me okay so they're looking for something if you want to propose a proclamation you got to write it so that's true if you want to edit it that's fine I have no problem with that but there a lot of interesting information that came out of a lot of the reports that I was investiga okay it looks as if it's a sense of the board that we'll go ahead with this we sure the down a little bit and send the proclamation as it is with the names I agree with Jim that is the best part okay we'll do that do we need a vote um do we have a motion I move that we uh have you sign and send this letter all in favor time you've changed the letter well you want to change the letter because it's repetive so we can't approve the letter different letter you have but he just moved in an i second it now you're arguing against it yeah no I'm not arguing against it at all Charlotte suggested that we have a very simple letter Proclamation we just moved in second and they said yes that's what we're doing we agreed with you Paul what's the letter say we don't have the letter that you sent me we do not it will be similar to this but it's not going to not that letter the letter you wrote is what we have to do and no one here has seen it except you and me they're going to have to trust us okay so whatever letter TR issue so whatever letter you write is fine right just and you the proclamation as is and be done with it yes okay right okay thank God this only happens 100 years so did we actually vote oh favor there done thank you okay next up we have um the open space and Recreation plan letter of support uh that is quite the plan it is it that is an amazing plan how many of you had an actual chance to go on uh the town website and look at the plan not yet no I I just read it was okay you go to the planning board page which is very easy to find and right on that front page it says open space recre and recre Recreation plan it is a long plan it's done by a very reputable professional outfit working with our planners and the rest of PE other people in town and it's filled with information and Maps so if you ever want a really good resource for where are all these overlay districts and what difference does it make and get the background on it it's all in this plan it's really U tremendously informative about the town so it's worth looking at and you wind up with all the information that you need so good job no problem and having a letter of support okay yeah I had um if you wanted to listen to the video that the Consultants put together that I talks about what an open space plan is I can play that but if you'd like to just go right to the end of the meeting that's fine too I have no issue either way I think you sent us a print out of it I did yeah so I sent you the slides right y so I think we're good well if you want to go ahead and show it I'm not sure everybody actually looked at it okay thank you for taking the time to watch this presentation it will give you an overview of the town of Fus effort to update its current open space and Recreation plan the osrp which was last updated in 2014 feedback is focused on the seven-year action plan of the osrp but the town is interested in your comments on any pieces of the plan opportunities are both online and in person first let's define what we're talking about in the osrp open space can mean different things in different contexts for the lsrp open space refers to undeveloped land regardless of ownership that has important ecological functions natural resources or cultural resources that are worthy of conservation and protection examples include Forest Farmland Fields wetlands and flood planes the osrp also focuses on outdoor recreation areas such as playgrounds Parks athletic fields and courts and bikeways why does the town have an osrp well having one helps it plan for the maintenance and enhancement of these resources so they can continue to provide environmental economic and social benefits to the community they give us clean air and water build resilience against the impacts of climate change and provide space for Neighbors to gather and for us to be active the planning process helped us to understand where we are where we want to go and how we want to get there revisiting the plan allows us to measure success and meeting Community needs and overcoming challenges finally having an osrp approved by the Massachusetts division of conservation services keeps the town eligible for funding through that agency it also positions the town in applying for other types of funding to implement the plan it shows that projects have been vetted with the community and have support moving forward board DCS the approving agency outlines 11 required sections for osps these include a summary of data that give context to who lives in Falmouth the businesses here types of Housing and Development Municipal infrastructure such as water and wastewater systems walking and biking networks and storm water management among other information inventories of the town's environmental resources as well as open spaces and recreational resources are also included there's a needs analysis that describes Community needs natural resource protection needs and the needs of the town to maintain and operate its facilities this includes a required Ada self- evaluation of sites under the jurisdiction of the recreation department and Conservation Commission the transition plan to address structural barriers that were identified the plan articulates a community Vision along with goals and objectives to meet identified needs and a 7-year action plan that outlines a road map for implementation it includes who is responsible to move the action forward time frame for completion and potential funding sources if needed how did we get to the draft osrp mid 2022 the town received a grant from the Cape Cod Commission to update its plan it used that funding to review new available data reports plans and inventories that supported planning for open space and recreational resources Town staff and key stakeholders were interviewed in November a virtual public Workshop was held to ask about Community needs what was the town doing well what could be better and any new ideas the town should be considering as a plan for the next seven years a community survey was also distributed at that time at the end of December a draft plan was written but funding ran out this past past spring the town received another Grant to finish the plan and get more public input it addressed any outstanding questions from their 2022 draft and conducted the required Ada assel valuation on properties under the jurisdiction of the recreation department and Conservation Commission it is now looking for public input on the draft plan to understand if it's headed in the right direction next steps will be to collect letters of support from the fouth planning board and select board as well as the capcon commission for sending to DCS for approval there are two ways to give your feedback on the draft osrp so I I'll pause it there simply because this was the as as I explained this was the presentation that we provided or the um video that we provided at the last um public meeting and I thought it was a really nice synopsis of what is an osrp why is it important and what was the timeline involved in all of this one item I think I should clarify because um um the presenter um didn't have all of the information correct we didn't receive a second Grant to finish the osrp that was a town meeting Capital request that town meeting approved so it was a joint effort between grant funding and town meeting approved funding to get this plan to the finish line and we are finally there uh staff has spent a lot of time going through the inventory myself included um to make sure that it's the best plan we can put forward and we're looking for this letter of support so we can submit it to the state for their approval oh it's an excellent plan really I agree and i' I'd love that it has that much information in it it's a lot everybody right up to date on what is there here right yeah so we've received the approval letter from the select board they just approved it uh earlier uh last week uh we're working with the cap commission to get that that that letter yours is the last letter we also have a letter from the 300 committee um and so once all that's wrapped up how it goes John uh the letter requests for 30% of the town what's the percentage right now figured you might ask I'd have to consult the the plan itself but I don't remember offand I think it was in the high 20s roughly 25 to 26 was my recollection so so if for 26 which I've heard is 26 why do we need this for the other 4% or not necessarily this is a public statement I'm I'm trying to understand what the purpose of this is right so it's it's um a myriad of factors that you would need this this type of plan uh one to make that statement to say we want to conserve more two to improve the recreational sites that we currently have and to put in a plan in place so that we can maintain them and create new ones and and then three the most important one in my opinion is to allow for the town to uh be eligible for grant funding if there was an initiative to conserve future open space so an example of that is a joint effort between the 300 committee and the town to conserve open space at the Benjamin n site 48 Benjamin nce which will be a joint effort between not only the 300 committee but also the um uh Habitat for Humanity to create create affordable housing and conserve open space in order to get that Grant they need an updated open space plan so it's imperative that we get this to the state and approved so that we can receive that I believe it was $500,000 application so that we can receive that money so that project can move forward so it's it's a lot of different reasons why you would have an open space and Rec plan similar to your local comprehensive plan going to say it sounds like local requ great question other questions yeah I did uh the final step is the approval of the dec no DCS correct which apparently the division of conservation Services yes how is that different from Department of environment and Recreation I for example Dyan Fernandez got money from the Department of environment Recreation for sherrick's pond and why is that different than what these this group does that's open space all right so what I do know is that the DCS is a division of the executive office of of environmental um Affairs e EA um I don't recall exactly where Deer Falls within the state um system U but I do know that DCS is the approving Authority when it comes to these open space plans so I couldn't answer your question directly I'd have to do some more research on on those agencies but I do know that DCS is the some overlap that's all there likely is state government can do that sometimes does one provide funding and the other one doesn't I I'd want to do some more research and get a better answer back to you we'll ask it next time I sure you will okay I just encourage you to take a look at the plan on the website it's just really worth looking at but I think thank you Jed very much we had an excellent consulting firm and they worked really well with us and they were super patient and super flexible so I just want to say thank you to the horley waiting group and they have a great Instagram page yes yeah they do they can see who's there okay the next um subject that we're going to discuss together is short-term rental update and I want to ask you a question first um how many of you are familiar with the land Court decision and the state supreme court decision on short-term rentals are you MH yes so that you know that the state supreme court said that short-term rentals are not unallowable use right in residential areas except as an accessory use yeah which is not well defined yeah okay so that that's as a zoning thing no it's just a really interesting development where we wound up in Falmouth we went to town meeting with with our proposal I think it was a lucky thing that it got turned down um because we would have made it legal when in fact it's not right now and but we did uh get left with the sense that we will now move forward and come before the April town meeting maybe with something else then again maybe not I went to I asked for an appointment with Mike Renshaw to see what he was thinking along those lines about next steps and he believes that the next step is for the town is enforcing what we have on the books now and what we have on the books now is a requirement that anyone who's doing a short-term rental any kind of rental has to register with the town and it's not being enforced well so that he wants to work on that and they they are uh looking at um Outsourcing it to a firm that specializes in uh identifying short-term rentals getting them registered and getting them in line for a town and sort of Outsourcing the administration of short-term rental regulation or or rules or however that town moves forward and there are several companies that do that so that's where Mr renar is we have also heard interesting from uh the select board the chair of the select board to say uh to invite um the planning board me to go there and you if you will to their meeting on the 27th because they will be discussing short-term rentals and would like some input on that and I would suppose the topic is next step I'm hoping the next steps is to reconvene an expanded board and uh finish the conversation and come to some um a good recommendation that we could take back probably to the November town meeting on how we're going to handle short-term rentals so that's what I have on the update do you have anything when is that yeah when does that meeting how does that 27th how does it affect Airbnb well Airbnb works with whatever the town allows and they'll enforce it for you too they do they require it so that for communities that require local licensing you have to show them your approve a lot of those around there are well there's a state registry and as of December 12th I think I looked at the state registry for short-term rentals f had 1574 registered short-term rentals in mid December 1574 almost is that properties 1574 properties properties here in Falmouth so this is out of a total of 21 houses in town 1,600 um are offering short-term rentals of some sort but there's almost no detail you can't learn anything else really from it but there are a lot of them and it's assumed without knowing that there's many more that don't register with the state even though they're supposed to so the other thing we know is that the health commissioner and the health um commissioner himself they are not enthusiastic about administering a complicated short-term rental procedure but lack of enthusiasm that can always change so that's where we are um County department report well um we're very excited to say that the bid opening has uh officially begun for the shivick pond fishing platform SLV platform yeah bids are um to be received by the town by February 7th so Paul is extremely excited he's visited the office almost every day this week to thank me personally for all the hard work that he has put into this effort oh thank you Paul no we're very excited all kidding aside um so the shrecks pond project is moving ahead um and we're very excited about that let me add to that if I will you you certainly the uh DPW Parks parks department has been working all week in this weather to not only form platforms for the tables and benches but they're also uh putting in the walkway as we speak so they're moving forward yes and I think the underlying thing is a very optimistic opening on our day of this year so if that happens we'll all be very happy armor day is April 25th well if you biting at their heels it's taking them what eight years so The Benchmark is 10 years so we're going to come in right underneath right under be great but a big thank you to DPW to Jeremiah Pearson our tree Warden are um and Jim mlin our Our Town engineer we couldn't do it without without a big team and I can add the uh the money for that is coming from the efforts of Dylan Fernandez from De so using that money not the money from the community preservation uh not Community pres the PPC so uh that's good news the other thing we're trying to do is Dillingham Road Extension going up to school was a issue we've argued for some time the town is actually building that they put the sidewalk in already if you haven't gone up there and they wrapped the sidewalk all around to the back of the school leading to the platform going to the uh Pond that used to be where the Sailing Club was it's coming around the back of the school all the way to the park all no all the way to the platform going down the existing platform oh and I have suggested to to uh uh DPW that they see if there's some way to extend the platform from that the walkway from that point up to the platform for sherrick's pond yeah and that would complete the walk around complete walk around the pond which was original concept of sherk's pond Trail so there's a permit for that portion of it whether we can use that or not we don't know right but if not is the possibility of getting additional funds from d d d r to get it done and even further down the road we'll have a shared use path along Katherine Lee Bates we may have a connection to the Lawrence School which may serve as an offsite parking site in the summer so things are starting to coales yeah and that's really great come with just need stable government to make that happen yes is that your report it wasn't the end I got a couple reports I bet you too when you finish very quickly so um the planning department is also working on the town property analysis so for as a refresher um we've been working very closely with the assessor's office to try and figure out what property do we own what property can we dispose of for certain purposes you know be it affordable housing or other um and so we've done an analysis of properties over two acres those were 132 or so properties that went through to town meeting you may have seen those properties get um approved by town meeting so we're working on the under two acres we're really trying to get to the April town meeting I'm not sure we're going to make it but we're working very hard and so there's some candidates out there they all happen to be uh previous subdivisions not that this board approved but the boards back in the 70s that created parks within the subdivision and no one actually created the park and under under the subdivision control law within 3 years after that if you don't actually create the the Park itself it can can be converted to a building lot so we're looking at those as potential sites for some more affordable housing in town so we're doing everything we can it's a lot of deed research so we've got to be very careful and make sure that Town Council um vets this thoroughly before we get to release those so who would own those building Lots so the town so actually a lot of them um were tax titles so the developer created the subdivision either the HOA didn't pay the taxes or they aband all right all right I was wondering what happened to the ownership it was taken taken for taxes exactly so then we end up owning it now we just have this lot in the middle of a subdivision that could be an affordable home for some for a family so we're working very hard on that that's that's um you know taken up a lot of time um and then of course the last update is the um W finding PL so we just sent back our comments on the wayf finding plan to the cape gu commission and so we have ort of a draft skeleton the next phase will be about surveying the public related to design of signage um so that we can get a feel for you know what sort of colors what sort of icons placement Etc what sort of things um are the public most interested in in terms of way finding so that maybe not necessarily this summer but perhaps the next summer we can have some signage in place especially along the bike path which directs traffic to the downtown area and gets people off the path into the downtown and back to the path and vice versa again whole thing's coming together that's my report that's good um Paul you have a report yeah I had a couple of things um several months ago we talked about what impact 40b had on on the town um Katy Nelson from NE wrote a very nice article on January 2nd about the status year review of chapter 40b housing and Jed has put this in your packet so I suggest you read it I think it's good reading secondly I attended the uh water quality management joint meeting with the um Health Department yesterday Health Board yesterday and I included this couple of slides here and the one I want to mention is the last one it really shows how complicated this whole process is um how long it's going to take what they need to do and one of the real concerns of the water quality management committee is how can it be Equitable to people are putting in a 40b a IA system like Tom here and others who are beneficiary of that how is that how the de with those of issues so they're spending a lot of time on that trying to figure out what to do with it so this is an interesting chart and shows how complicated it really is um I think that's it and Paul you mentioned that that meeting was recorded So if anyone's interested they can go to the fcv web page or the YouTube channel and they can listen in on what this all means for about three hours so don't discourage people on our behalf all right anyone else have any committee reports no um in that case announcements no future agenda items y um I think when we were doing the accessory apartment bylaw we we kept it 40% because people did not wantes I really think we need to explore allowing 50% uh unit on Lots say uh you know pick a size a lodge lot or an acre lot or we have two acres Zing we have one acre zoning and we have big houses on those lots and I think we should explore a possible additional bylaw that would allow people to take say a colonial twostory Colonial and make a whole second floor apartment out of the top floor and uh and be able to rent it out because uh I I just see this uh town is just getting overbuilt um with units that people can't afford and I think we need to do something with what we have already built on the ground on uh in these uh neighborhoods and uh I think people might be a little bit more amenable to it now than they would have been when we first did the accessory bylaw but uh it's been done in other towns I I know I've done it for my brother uh up in winr uh took a single family home made two apartments uh two floors it's been done forever I I I think it's something that we need to do and as long as the septic systems can handle the number of bedrooms all those things would apply you know septic system number of bedrooms things like that would determine what somebody could do but I think we need to expand on the accessory apartment bylaw is there any agreement on that actually it's hard to agree without more information are you thinking of exploring it I I think we should have a discussion uh and maybe just toss out some ideas have have a brainstorming session here uh at a meeting okay let's and this is a future agenda item yeah right so let's do that and see and in the mean time anyone on the board who wants to can try to search out where are they allowing that kind of thing and how does that work out right town of winth yeah you said I'll research that I'll give you some feedback because I built a few things I think that uh the more successful uh multi family things I've done in townhouse design where you do vertical and horizontal over is is not as successful it's uh a lot more Troublesome I'm talking about already owner or to the renters to the renters to the people that live there to uh I have well I haven't been building but I did a development on 26 Thomas Lane where I did side by side and people love it when I built units on top of each other I now have issues I live in one of them and the person complains I go to work at 5:30 in the morning and they don't like it that I get up early they want me to be quiet when I'm walking down the stairs on my way to work so I I don't know about this over under type thing it's not a good design opinion that depends that depends on the building and you can take a building and divide it in half you can take a colonial and do two two un vertical rather than horizontal and that and that would be up to my Fe but what I'm saying is 50% of what already exists should be allowed to be used as opposed to just 40% because I know uh in the house I live in now 40% wouldn't work it just wouldn't work uh because of the way the house is designed it's a colonial with a central stairway right you know uh if you have a central stairway like that you can go off on two sides and uh and have a floor but that would depend on on the owner the the important thing is is 50% versus 40% let's let's definitely have it on the agenda and try and get ourselves ready for the discussion see what we can learn about it I'm curious about how where it has worked and what kind of communities um have had it long enough so we can see a longer term impact of such a change yeah the state after all just changed from our 700 foot accessory to a 900 square foot accessory so we're on the road so let's let's talk about it and that will be next time yeah okay any other agenda items that you want to discuss General correspondence I'm not aware of any the only one was the uh well it's technically the newspaper article but that's yeah it was a good article yeah yeah um I think that we ought to hope that Pat gets better soon right she's really got a bad flu oh yeah yep and I miss her and our next meeting is the 28th sove to move to ajour second all in favor done [Music]