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for e e e e public comment so if there's anyone wants to speak on something not on the agenda this is the time to do that and if you're going to speak please go to
the microphone because that connects us to fctv and to the public so that they can hear you please say your name clearly and state your business and then go ahead and say what you want to say is there anyone who wants to speak during public comment
period no um in that case um first I want to make a correction to the agenda may not affect many of you but it might affect somebody who who is here so let me take a minute um to do this is it was an error on probably my part um due to
an error in drafting tonight's agenda the draft motion for the application of James S Hall no uh on behalf of Priscilla wi trustee definitive plan modification application to make a roadway and utility Improvement at 045 Hall Lane and
345 Old barille Road won't be heard tonight but it will be heard at our next meeting sorry I hope that didn't ruin your evening um Paul minutes Madam chair I recommend approval of the minutes of January 28 2025 as
written is there a second second all in favor all right thank you um first on our agenda approval not required the applicant is Lars b bergren a plan of Landing combine two boots into
one at 33 Martin Road um file February 4th deadline February 25th so pretty soon an anr who is speaking on that anyone chair if I may uh there's no one here uh to speak on that uh however
I can speak to it as you described it's two lots being merged together uh both with the requisite Frontage in the zoning District the AG zoning District um and so with that I recommend that you endorse the plan is
presented I mean that we I I just have a question is this putting two dwellings on one lot it is not it looked okay cuz it look there's there's buildings that they're emerging but they're not dwellings correct so we're not creating
a non-conforming that's correct okay I'm outside I couldn't tell if it was a dwelling or not any other questions pleas here a second yeah we did seconded oh we already did it okay
all in favor all okay um vir is all set tonight we have a decision on the site plan review application to construct an attached accessory dwelling at 58 marav Vista Avenue Extension Steven
Devin Mr Devin here or his representative decision they're not no no we we've seen this before we have we have you didn't never know um so Bob if you would go ahead please okay draft February 10th 2025 motion that the
planning board votes to approve the application of Michael McCarthy for the construction of an attached accessory dwelling unit located at 58 Marist da extension under Section 240 12.2 site plan review of the zoning bylaw site plan uh building elevation and floor
plans uh with the FI following findings proposal General the applicant is proposing to construct a 616 foot one-bedroom accessory dwelling unit above the existing attached to car garage the 616 ft accessory dwelling unit will be
37.75 per of the principal dwelling which complies with Section 2491 C5 of the zoning bylaw proposal parking this submitted site plan shows a twocc car garage and a paveed driveway which together provide
the necessary space for the required parking for both the principal dwelling and the accessory dwelling unit proposal architectural style building elevations floor plans the existing dwelling floor plan show a bedroom being converted to a den without a door on the first floor to satisfy the requirement of section 249
.1 C8 of the zoning bylaw about in public comments uh Board General finding Department reviews the town of fman departments have reviewed and commented on the above mentioned application and the planning board finds that the application has
adequately addressed the comments Board General finding building code and Zoning review the planning board's review and approval does not include building code and Zoning review and the board defers to the Building Commissioner Board General findings compliance with Adu and site review
bylaws the bo board finds that the information provided by the applicant conforms to all the requirements of section 240- 9.1 and 2402 12.2 of the zoning bylaw conditions standard condition modifications the plan shall be constructed as approved any changes
shall be reviewed by the planning board to determine if a modification of this decision is necessary standard condition storm water the project must not direct any storm water runoff to prop public property but is or public rights away three utilities any any connections or
alterations Public Utilities would require permit from the appropriate Town departments four the applicant shall see the engineering division for address assignment for the new building prior to applying for a building permit upon completion of construction the applicant shall post the address for this building
per section 99-1 of the town code five the project shall meet all applicable standards set forth in the building code is determined by The Building Commissioner six Adu rental the rental period should not be less than 6 months and weekly monthly rental so-called summer rentals are exemp expressly
prohibited neither the principal dwelling nor accessory dwelling unit shall be used as a commercial accommodations at any time seven standard condition laps pursuant to section 24-12 point2 of the zoning bylaw the site plan review decision shall lapse three years from the date it
is granted if substantial use thereof has not sooner commenced except for good cause the determination of good cause shall be made by the planning board eight Street opening permit the applicant shall obtain the required Street permits for this project and post any required bond with the engineering
division before the start of construction the shall complete the work approved by the engineering division in any approved permit and that's been seconded um all in favor I I thank you can I ask a general question
about adus sure my understanding is the state has changed the law drastically and it our bylaw doesn't comport with it so how are we dealing with that as we go forward when somebody's trying to design something and they want to go by the state law but our bylaw does it until we
vote it to do that sometime in April what how does that work we already changed it in November we changed it in November we're just waiting for the Attorney General okay that's what we haven't had okay so it is so the modifications in place we're just waiting for the ratification that thank you that explains a lot right we did it
in November okay um up next something that we've been waiting for um these are the first is about uh the YMCA on brick Kill Road dealing with parking and the second is about the entire building and uh some time ago we took up reading
believe it or not an abbreviated version of the decisions just to make it hastier um but tonight we're going to extend that because of the public interest in this particular project so more of the decision will be written into the record whether we write it read it all in or
not the whole decision is part of the record the public record you can always get it in the planning office and online anyway but tonight you'll hear more of it than you otherwise would so we had asked for the planning board heard this um thoroughly we thought and
we asked for a positive decision and we have one Bob could you okay I've got two I've got one for the uh site plan is that the one first parking is up first that's a special permit okay so that one's
first draft February 10th 2025 motion that the planning would vote to approve the application of Cape Cod young men's Christian Association Inc under Article 4 14 section 2401 14.1 i5b of the zoning bylaw for a special permit to allow parking in the
front yard of the premises located at 487 brick Hill Road findings property description and current state the property consists of newly created 6.15 acre lot that is located in agricultural AA a GAA zoning
District the Water Resource protection overlay District in the wildlife Cara migration area one overlay District the lot is located north of 485 brick Hill Road property home to the CH Christ Lutheran Church and is currently undisturbed vegetated land proposal
General the applicant cape card young men's Christian Association Inc is applying to the planning board for a special permit under Section 240- 14.1 l5b of the zoning bylaw to allow 159 parking spaces in the front yard of the subject property the entire project
includes 176 space parking lot with 11 accessible spaces and four electric vehicle ch in stations located between the existing Christ Lutheran Church number 485 brick Hill Road and the proposed YMCA facility of which 142 spaces will be reserved for the YMCA and
34 will be reserved for the church through a recorded parking and utility easement a total of 92 spaces will be shared by the two uses this special permit will allow 159 of the 176 parking spaces to be located in the front yard of the lot a small portion of the parking area 17 spaces are not located
in front of the proposed building in the therefore are not included in the special permit decision permitting history the planning board issued a site plan review approval on February 11th 2025 for the development of the 6 6847 ft YMCA recreational education
facility along with 19470 plus or minus square foot of outdoor areas on August 8th 2024 the project received a development of regional impact di decision from the Cape Cod Commission CCC
adequacy of the site in terms of size for the proposed use the planning board finds the size of the site to be adequate the submitted site plan shows the proposed 6 6847 ft building 19,47 ft feet of outdoor areas 176 space
parking lot and all of the associated septic and storm water collection facilities all fitting on the 6.15 acre lot without infringing on neighboring [Applause] properties suit of the site for the proposed use the planning board finds
the site suitable for the proposed use the existing Zony District allows a private club not conducted for profit through a special permit the site is large enough to accommodate the proposed use and is consistent with and supporting of the surrounding land uses impact on traffic flow and safety the planning board finds the impact on
traffic flow and safety to be acceptable the traffic impact study indicated that the proposed project is not expected to have significant impact on the overall traffic operation within the study area specifically the site driveway is anticipated to operate at acceptable levels during both Dows under the peak
conditions and the project includes a number of Transportation mitigation measures impact on neighborhood visual character including views and vistors planning board finds no impact on neighborhood visual character including views and vistors the proposed project will be located behind the Christ Lutheran Church in rectory approximately
600 feet back from brick road which will effectively Shield the project from the roadway adequacy of method of sewage disposal source of water and drainage the planning board finds the method of sewage disposal source of water and drainage to be acceptable the property is located within the Long Pond Watershed and the applic application
includes the treatment of waste water with a new on-site Innovative alternative treatment system designed to handle 7600 gallons per day GPD of flow Additionally the application includes extending an 8 in cement line ductile
iron water main from the intersection of bril Road into the site for water use and a storm water management system designed to direct water runoff from impervious surfaces into rain Gardens vegetated s swes and underground infiltration
devices adequacy of utilities and other public services the planning board finds that the site to have adequate utilities and other public services the property is served by Municipal Electric telephone cable and internet infrastructure the proposed project includes a 20-ft wide fire lane around
the rear and sides of the building and two fire hydrants located near the building for future Fire Prevention Services the effect of the proposed project on the adequacy of the supply of affordable housing in the town the plan go just finds no direct effect on the supply affordable housing in town is this is
not a residential use however the project will provide a number of programs which will directly benefit families and residents in the area such as after school activities daily child care services and recreational activities and lessons butter in public comments the board received three letters of support and several positive
comments from the public during the board's public hearing the property of the abing lot noted concern regarding proximity of the proposed driveway to the newly constructed residential development and the applicant will be working on providing additional screening between the two
properties departments review the town of Falmouth departments have reviewed and commented on the above mentioned applications and the planning board finds that the applicant has adequately addressed the comments building code and Zoning review the planning board's review does not include building code and Zoning review in the board defers to
the Building Commissioner Board General finding compliance with special permit decision criteria the board finds that the information provided by the applicant conforms to all the requirements of section 240 12.1 e of the zoning bylaw therefore given the above and the
conditions to be imposed below the planning board finds that the applicant application for special permit to allow for parking in the front yard will be in harmony with the general purpose and includ in intent of this chapter and that the proposal will not have adverse effects which overbalance its benefit
beneficial effects on either the neighborhood or the town conditions the plan shall be constructed as approved any changes shall be reviewed by the planning board to determine if a modification of the decision is necessary two laps pursuant to section
24121 L of the zoning bylaw this special permit shall elapse three years from the date it is granted if a sub substantial use there of has not sooner commence except for good cause shown or in the case of a permit for construction if construction has not begun by that date
except for good cause shown determination of good cause shall be made by the planning board as they are the special permit granting Authority second motion has been uh read and seconded mam chair I just one correction sorry to interrupt it is the finding
related to the effect on affordable housing I just want to note that it's not daily child care services it's daily child watch services so we'll make that Amendment um before it goes final so from Child Care to child watch child
watch make a note what's the difference you would ask watch I don't kidding just want to make that Amendment okay anything else yeah I noce the
agenda for tonight's meeting mentions in two places that the address is 485 Brick hillan Road my understanding it's 487 which is reflect in the is that correct that is correct thank you just for the record and for the Public's knowledge so they originally
applied under 485 brick Hil because the the lot was the Christ like Christ Lutheran Church they then submitted an anr which separated that lot and created 487 that is the lot which the YMCA is located on 487 but the 487 is correct
that's correct yes thank you cly Define that so all in favor I I we have a why this is really going to be great yeah look are your why will have a parking space now we have a motion about the why itself Madam chair if I may yes um just
a procedural item uh as you may have noted the um decision deadline um time frame had previously extended so we requested that the applicant submit in writing to formally request your decision deadline to allow for tonight for you to make that decision um might
just be prudent to read that into the record so that we're procedurally okay and then read in the the draft uh here it is please accept this email as a formal request to extend the planning board site plan review decision
deadline until February 14th 2025 don't hesitate to let me know if there are any questions or issues with this request thank you is there anyone with a problem with that is there a second all in favor extended okay now
Bob on the buing itself draft February 10th 2025 motion that the planning board votes to approve the application of the Cape Cod young men's Christian Association Inc for the construction of a 6847 foot YMCA recreational and educational facility located at 487
brick Hillen Road under Section 240 12.2 site plan review of The Zing bylaw site plans YMC Cape Cod uh brick Hillen Road 487 brick Hillen Road West Falmouth um Falmouth YMCA 487 brick
Hillen Road Falmouth sheets I don't need to read those um no no findings property description and current state the property consists of a newly created 6.5 acre lot that is located in the agricultural AA agaa zoning District the Water Resource protection overlay
district and the wildlife CA migration area one overlay District the lot is located north of the for 85 Kill Road property home to the Christ Lutheran Church and is currently undisturbed vegetated land proposal General the applicant is
proposing to construct a 6847 ft² YMCA recreational and educational facility along with 19,47 plus or minus square fet of outdoor areas and a shared parking lot on newly created 6.5 acre parel designated as lot 2B the new twostory
building will include two indoor swimming pools locker rooms a child watch room Gathering rooms exercise Studios office suites open Fitness areas and a gymnasium with running track meanwhile the outdoor meanwhile The Outdoor Activity areas adjacent to the
building will include an exercise Studio activity yard and a children's play area Additionally the proposed project will create a community Activity Center that includes Aquatics Wellness teen inter intergenerational Youth and Family Programs and services the facility will
include space for the community health center Cap Cod Inc to help ensure people in the region will have access to programs and services that focus on health prevention and wellness the project received a development of regional impact the decision from the Cape Cod Commission on
August 8th 2024 the subject lot was created through an approval not required plan endorsed by the planning board in October 2024 originally the site consisted of one lot having approximately 9.8 Acres 4,000 428
7114 th000 Square ft that con that contain the Christ Lutheran Church and ere rectory building through the anr process two lots were created a 6.16 acre pel of vacant land intended for the proposed YMC facility and a 3.69 acre
lot containing the church and rectory both having the requisite Frontage on brick Hill Road parking the application includes a 176 space parking lot with 11 accessible spaces located between the existing church and the YMCA Center
portion of this slot 90 spaces will be shared by the church and the YMCA through a recorded parking utility easement submitted with the with this application the applicant requested a byright 25% parking reduction pursuant to section 24014 1e of the zoning bylaw
for a total of 162 spaces Additionally the applicant intends to further reduce the required parking by 20 Spaces by applying for a special permit from the zoning board of appeals pursuant to section 241 14.1 e with approval of the special permit the total parking on the
site will include 176 space 142 for the YMCA and 34 spaces for the church 92 of those spaces will be shared between the two uses access Eris traffic bike pedestrian conditions the project includes a 520 plus or minus foot driveway starting
at the southwest corner of the lot off of Brook Hill Road continuing North along the west side of the property and terminating with a drop off Bus Loop located in front of the proposed building 20 foot wide gravel fire lane is provided around the entire proposed building for the fire truck access and
circulation the site distance analysis included in the traffic impact study prepared for the cccd process indicated that both the minimum stopping and intersection site distances are exceeded at the site driveway entrance on Kil Road additionally the traffic impact
study indicated that the proposed project is not expected to have a significant ific impact on the overall traffic operations within the study area specifically the site driveway is anticipated to operate at a level of service D or better during both peak hours under the peak conditions the
project includes Transportation mitigation measures including One Transportation uh demand Management program car pool parking spaces posting transit schedules Etc two 10 bicycle parking spaces three an internal
sidewalk Network and four traffic signal and signage upgrades at The Brick Hill and G Street intersection proposal water the proposed project is located with the Long Pond Watershed one of the town's many freshwater ponds and the only public surface water supply Source the
application includes extending an 8 in cement line ductile iron water M from the intersection of Bill Road into the site with two fire hydrants near the building the water department has indicated that all water main extension work Water
Service connections and the hydrant connections will need to be approved prior to excavation that no water meters will be installed until all fees for water services have been paid that a water main based easement will be required for them to operate water shut off Valves and fire hydrants and and as
built plan will be required upon completion of all work waste water the applicant proposes to treat waste water with a new on-site inter Innovative alternative treatment system on the North End of the property designed to handle 7600 gallons per day of flow the
applicant in the town agreed to an assignment of groundwater discharge rights for the sole purpose of insur insuring compliance with the sewage flow flow restrictions of the W Water Resource protection overlay District the new Innovative alternative system will be subject to Board of Health approval
storm water the application includes a storm water management system designed to direct water runoff from impervia surfaces into rain gods vegetative swes and underground infiltration Services as the project involved over an acre of land disturbance a storm water management permit from the
Department of Public Works engineering division is required landscaping and lighting the majority of the project site will require clearing and regrading to support the development however the applicant proposed to permanently protect approximately 1.23 acres of undisturbed land through a conservation
restriction and provide a wildlife migration Cara along the site's Westerly boundary landscape plans include a number of Dr drought tolerant native species distributed throughout the site and several nature-based storm water solutions the application the applicant
has committed to working with the abing property owner to address concerns related to additional screening between the two lots the town's marine and environmental services division has approved the applicant's creation of a wildlife card on the western boundary of the site and has encouraged the setting of bounds to help with future
encroachment enforcement the lighting plan shows a combination of lighting features poles wall packs and Ballers that for will provide ample lighting for the parking areas the building's main interest and along the building's exterior other the application includes
a roof mounted solar photo system on the building and five EV charging stations in the parking area Additionally the structure will have an efficient building envelope design energy efficient lighting and heating and cooling systems the appli indicated that snow
will be plowed to the end of each aisle along the Eastern side of the property a butter in public comments the board received three letters of support and several positive comments from the public during the board's public hearing the property of the abing lot noted concern regarding the
proximity of the proposed driveway to the newly constructed residential devel and the applicant will be working on providing additional screening between the two properties Department overview or review rather the town of fouth departments have reviewed and commented on the above mentioned application and
the planning board finds that the applicant has adequately addressed the comments building code and Zoning review the planning board's review does not include building code and Zoning reviews and the board defers to that to the Building Commissioner compliance with site plan review bylaw the board finds
that the information provided by the applicant conforms to all the requirements section 2401 12.2 of the zoning bylaw conditions standing conditions modifications the plan shall be constructed as approved any change changes shall be reviewed by the planning board to determine if a modification of this decision is
necessary to storm water the project must not direct any storm water runoff to public property about is a public right away three utilities any connections or alterations Public Utilities would require permission from the appropriate Town departments for erosion and settlement control construction of this project shall
follow the town soil erosion settlement control stand condition document which can be found on the engineering division's page of the town's website five Street opening permits the applicant shall obtain an approved Street opening permit and post any required security with the engineering
division before the start of construction six building code the project shall meet all applicable standards set forth and the building code is determined by The Building Commissioner seven addressing the applicant shall see the engineering division for addressing assignment for the new building prior to applying for a
building permit upon completion of construction the applicant shall post this address for the building per section 99-1 of code eight right of others the board approval of the site plan review application does not constitute and should not be seen or
should not be deemed or construed as an approval of any activity which may interfere with or violate rights of other parties nine standard condition lapse pursuant to section 240 12.2 of the zoning bylaw this site plan review decision shall lapse three years from
the date it is granted if substantial use there of has not sooner commenced except for for good cause the determination of good cause shall be made by the planning board 10 storm water management permit the applicant shall obtain a storm water management permit with the Department of Public
Works engineering division prior to any land disturbance 11 Project Specific condition addressing the applicant shell seek approval from FMA fire rescue for address posting 12 Project Specific conditions Bus Loop parking sign it shall be installed in the Bus drop off
Lane drop off Loop that indicates that no parking is allowed in that area thank you go May second is there any discussion I have one minor question on top of page two refers to permits
I it says that the project the project received development of regional impact decision but it doesn't say what that decision was and it doesn't refer to it further should it say the positive decision make sure there's no misunderstanding there I suppose it
could um just saying a decision doesn't say what the decision was I don't recall the exact wording in the decision whether or not it was all positive I suspect it was but I would hesitate on adding that language until we really need it but I I think it makes the
statement that they received a dri okay decision from if you're satisfied with that that's fine any other comments question all in favor Hi I hi so congratulations again um One Step closer to having the why for the town it's really wonderful that
you're doing that and we all appreciate it a great deal thank you I know I know there's no comment but I just want to say thank you for the board uh this is our fourth evening before you on this matter uh we've been at this project for uh quite some time and um as far as I
can calculate we have one step left after this so we really appreciate your thoughtfulness your review your comments and we believe that this is going to be an excellent project for this town so so thank you all over your time well and thank you very very much as I understand it you're just about um close to the
funding very close to the funding not there yet as Stacy would want to make sure I note um we're not we're not quite there um but but we we have come quite a long ways um and you know we are uh scheduled to be before the zoning board on Thursday March
26th um and the special permit from the zoning board for a few different matters is really the last step in the process uh before I think we'll be able to to move forward with the building permit it's going to be wonderful okay thank you very much and you're
welcome next comment yeah this has been a very lengthy project and very important project and I'd like to thank the cooperation not only from the applicant and his legal staff but from uh planning department as well it's been an
important project we were in favor of it but there's a lot of issues to discuss and there's good cooperation all around thank you thank you very much thank you everyone true I'm glad you [Laughter] agree um moving oh Melinda did you want
to just getting the next you're putting on Mr plan up yeah um Steven Marsh up next definitive plan application and it looks like we're we're closed to finishing on this to create a three lot subdivision at zero Old barnville Road
um and the deadline for completing this is February 28th yes good evening Steve Marsh I'm the applicant for the kabu um Lane Extension the last time I was here I needed to uh I had my marching orders to get someone
to hold the conservation restriction yeah uh we've had I'm going to give you the brief real quick down and dirty we did finally get somebody 300 committee did vote and I believe that they sent information to Jed confirming that uh
once that was done and we worked out a few we made the changes to the plans for the engineering um we didn't hear anything back right away and then we submitted for the storm water um with um DPW so that's where we're at we've done
everything that uh we said we were going to do and we're excited about working with the 300 committee so the majority of the property um will be uh protected it seems to have been amicably uh settled is there any um question or
discussion from the board any further public comment on this yes please I'd like to thank Jed for um sharing the updated plan and I did take a look at that um that's from Steve's
engineer um one thing I'm worried about is um storm water runoff um as I stand in the roadway the roadway around the Kataba Lane culdesac um was excavated
originally um and so it's downg gradient of the subject property um there are there is evidence of storm water management in the plants but I'm worried about flooding um it's a long driveway it might be 200 ft long and then there's a
t so that's all impervious surface um it's not shown on that uh slide there but uh um I think Jed's aware of of this um so I'm just curious about the storm water management plan
and and the potential for flooding and how how is that going to be mitigated um yeah I already have a problem right now with failed dry Wells so this would turn into a pond um takes hours to
drain uh respond to that concern Mr Mars sure say um we submitted a plan that addresses that particular issue um see if I can is there a way to switch that just
scroll down oh y great so right in this area here um you'll see there's a a um an area that it's basically ctech
Chambers to accommodate the the runoff so and it's it's on it's in review right now with DPW to um to address that so but there's a huge area that's an enormous um area to take care of
essentially a driveway and the area that we plan on Paving there it does look big yeah it's huge for one house it's a little ridic ridiculous it's really it's actually more expensive than the
septic but we're doing it so it should accommodate it but we're we're still waiting on the review from DPW anyway so just for clarity sake um because this application involves land area disturbance of over an acre that
automatically triggers a requirement to obtain a storm waterer management permit from the DPW engineering division so all storm water review for this application is being handled by the engineering Division and the applicant will receive a permit from them directly not from the
board but inside of your potential positive motion and decision is a condition that states the applicant would need to obtain that storm water management permit before obtaining um a building permit or doing any land disturbance on the property well the DPW
review correct the written agreement with the 300 committee would be condition corre there any other conditions there are actually other you know that we will not develop Parcels A and B they'll be held in perpetuity and
protected as well as the wildlife cordor wouldn't that be part of the 300 um it is yeah yep yeah so that's it I mean it's I think we've essentially with the exception of Ron's concerns but there'll be a a
review and a permit that has to be issued by De correct DPW for that but we've done everything else okay and for clarity sake when they do when the DPW the engineering division issues that permit they do analyze the entire um
application site so to um theer's concern they will be analyzing the ability for the storm water management system to handle all new storm water generated by the entire driveway roadway Etc everything
ju U just as a matter of Point um I know that um this issue had come up prior and um the engineering department actually had me go back out and retest to make sure that the soils could accommodate that and that actually became a little
bit bigger um as a result as a result of that anything else that comments the board wants to bring up before we ask for a positive decision oh I'm sorry for the public comment Mr good evening everyone uh my name is Kurt
rabber and um I live uh on monagan road right opposite the end of this the southernly end of uh Kataba and um had a chance to review the plans um I think it's a big step forward
from where we were many months ago um however I did notice that that leeching area for drainage did get bigger um in this recently revised set of drawings um to me it looks really big um but
moreover it's uh really close to the property line and it's pretty close to Carol hair who is the abutter just below it on the plan uh to her residence so I was wondering did it have to be there um and uh secondly I believe last time we
were here there was quite a few questions that came back from engineering and water and so I was just wondering um have all those issues been answered well not directly for the storm water because they're still working on
uh the review for the storm water management but um the latest engineering referral which you all have in your packets did address or um itemized each one of the issues that uh had been brought up before and they have been addressed however there are some items
that the board has are consider tonight so when you're ready I can certainly go through those for you and we can have a discussion with the app like a copy of that I believe they have a copy but if not I have it in my email yeah um so right I was just thinking that perhaps
that um leeching area could be more linear or parallel with the driveway um on the center lot rather than in the Woodland area directly next to my neighbor Carol ha's house right next to
her living room thanks Mars do you want to comment on the location has to do with slope probably topography um it well the property's pretty flat for the most part I I spoke to Mrs ha she has no problem with any of this um I did meet with her
um again that was it was increased based on the last uh conversations that we had with the abutters uh that's it's really the only place for it it's right at the end of the road and you'll never see it because it's in the ground once it's it becomes part of the landscape you'll
never see it it's not like it's a huge structure where you're going to drive by and go oh my God that's it's in the ground it's buried it's underground and if the concern is flooding in the road it would have to be near the road yeah exactly so it's it's the you know it's the shortest distance it's taken care of
not just our work but the the work in the roadway that's failed we have to remember that too that that drainage system is in disre disrepair so we're we're correcting that anyone else from the public Other Board member I think we're
ready to ask for a positive decision not yet we' got some other things to go over yeah right so if I may um part of the engineering referral uh which is a minor point but I think it's worth uh bringing
up um in the public session so that you can make an assessment of it um as part of the requirement when a definitive plan is proposed within a wildlife quarter overlay District part of that requirement includes the submission of a
preliminary cluster subdivision plan um and for those of you who are unfamiliar it's essentially a subdivision plan that is not standard you cluster the Lots close together and you preserve open space now that typically involves a number of building Lots which of course
this does not and so therefore uh essentially you need to Grant or you should Grant relief from that requirement noting the obvious that that does not um involve the development of multiple Lots you need a separate vote for that I would recommend it um that
and um essentially giving um the applicant an idea of the list of waivers that they've asked for and your uh essentially your position on granting those waivers so that we can work with the applicant afterward if you are not
in favor for example of the width of the road that's being proposed and you are not in favor of granting that waiver we need to know that in advance so that we can work with the applicant to adjust plans if necessary and then they can come back with adjust adjusted plans okay and those materials will come to us
at our next meeting well I can walk through the waivers with you that I have on file currently and I can work with the Avant tonight to sort of go through those things but I figured first and foremost granting relief on that requirement of the wildlife for or
overlay district is Paramount because technically it would be a requirement but it wouldn't make any sense to actually requirement so is that a waiver really is that the same thing as a waiver you're essentially granting relief there's no um specific area within the bylaw to Grant
said waiver but um you'd be granting it in relief we put it into a into your decision finding provided that you're okay with that want to make a motion right okay so I move that the board Grant
relief to the cluster requirement for wildli quor Relief this re requirement Y and a second second all in favor I there we have it terrific the waivers right so
what I have on file for the list of waivers are um the requirement to submit a Traverse table uh for the perimeter survey so I believe the applicant is requesting a waiver for that um I also have a waiver from the width alignment
and grades um because the applicants requesting that the roadway width be 19 ft where 22 ft would be required um also a crosssection uh typical cross section of the street layout a waiver from that simply to
allow for that um 29t travel Lane uh layout that they're proposing where typically 11 ft is required then I have a waiver for the installation of sidewalks grass plots Street trees and street lights I believe that's everything for the list of waivers does
any of that come as a surprise to the neighbors or a problem any if I may yeah no I know we had discussed that at some of the meetings with regard to lights with the road and everything so and that was it was all addressed the issues with the board on
those list of waivers no no great so if at our next meeting um which is what the 28th it would be the 25th 25th yes um we can have a positive motion and you'll be one step ahead
great okay great thank you I want to comment on all the work done with the neighbors and the attention everyone's paid to it I hope that it that it signals an amicable neighborhood yeah I'm pretty excited about it yeah great yeah chair uh procedural items you just
need to uh close the hearing oh I move if the hearing be closed second second all favor thank you very much thank you thank you all give you a minute to clear the room [Applause]
okay I think we're ready for our this now we're moving from a hearing to a public public meeting it's a little bit more relaxed JJC Development LLC site plan review application to construct 10 two-bedroom apartments five one-story structures at four sandwich road we are
very familiar with this project this is the one beside um Dunkin Donuts down by the Admin School Administration building Mr I'm in thank thank you madam chairman so for your I'm Bob AMT fouth
attorney with me is Tom Bunker from BSS design uh uh engineering and land surveying firm and Erica es scander um of uh the applicant JJ EC
development so since the last uh meeting before the planning board uh We've made a number of uh changes improvements if you will to the plan um in response to uh suggestions made by the uh planning
board in response to concerns of neighbors so I'd like to go through what those uh changes are and I think the best way to do it is is with uh the plan that's in uh um on the screen now and then uh go to the landscape uh colored
plan so um the landscape plan will show you that the number of trees has been increased I'll go to that so you can see it now proposing 92 uh new trees
um and we've added a bunch of screening trees in addition the area of the proposed play area has been reduced and the fencing around the play area has been moved so it's now 15 ft away from
the property line so we've got a fence it's going to be uh um chain link uh with black vinyl coating on it um and that will be 15 ft away from the property line um and we're
showing additional screening trees to be planted between the fence and the property line and there's um room for more to uh be done if it's needed the rows of parking in front of the residences these rows have been
changed from 90° parking to be angled parking and the traffic flow is shown as a oneway so here's the Arrow showing oneway traffic uh with the parking spaces all being angled
we've removed two spaces which were in this area which uh some people thought could be a conflict uh um and we've instead uh shown three parking spaces uh parallel spaces near the
um front of the store which is in this area the present uh a pavement is wide enough so that it only has to be made about 2 feet wider to accommodate these spaces and still
have uh ample uh one-way traffic flow in front of the building that means we still have even taking these spaces away and we lose one space with the angled parking we still have 39 parking spaces which is one more than
than is required I'll go back now to the oh while we're there uh one of the lights here has the lighting has been rotated to um better aim
illumination and that's shown on on the plan excuse me Mr am while you're on the landscape could you show the part where there the backyards of the new residences how deep are those backyards well I'll go back you'll only
see that if we go back to the uh previous plan doesn't show on the landscape SL here we go these you're saying yeah what you're saying um Tom do you recall the distance of the
setback of the the closest building yes I can say that the closest setback is it's it's a 10 foot setback and so at this point for the shed is 10 ft to the property
line and it gets a wider setback towards everybody gets a terrorist a shed and a little bit of grass right now along here the road there's a really nice um hedge of mature trees there are you keeping that
I think we'll keep anything we can keep sure there are good trees there we did add screening trees to this plan um to try to close in any gaps not I note that these are really
residential scale buildings not tall buildings um so it's no different than a residence next to any other residential property but I note that the abing property to the north is business owned Tom did you want to comment on
that I mean I'll comment at the end or I can comment now I mean I was going to whatever I first of all I want to announce that I performed uh couple site visits out there and some of the butters were there while I was uh while I walked around I didn't make any promises I
listened to some of their concerns which were some of the concerns they've already previously expressed here about Sight and Sound mitigation I looked over the applicant's new changes and I appreciate all the extra trees added for mitigation along with the angled
parking and uh many other changes thank you for that but I have to say this I would still like to see the play area you go to the colored um slide again please Mr St
it I would still like to see the colored I see the play area in the top left reduced more or relocated and I'll explain why last year on Earth Day April 22nd 2024 our select board signed a rights of
nature resolution for fouth In This Very Room in support of that resolution we should try to preserve the existing habitat for birds and animals that live on that site they all play a role in the food chain and ecosystem out there when I walked around I noticed even the dead
tree stumps and Fallen limbs on the site uh serve as an animal Safe Haven and food source also clear cutting the existing trees and shrubs in the play area destroys the benefits of the trees root system which can absorb groundwater and
clear cutting destroys the trees natural uptake of nitrogen by keeping the play area undisturbed as much as we can a dual role is served we help to protect the habitat which is aligned with the rights of nature resolution and we protect the
privacy of the abuts that's what I want to say and I also I'm sure you've looked at it and have a suggestion but can we move that play area if we were to remove top unit uh far left number five and move the play area over there or put
it just below that uh where unit six is and I know some people say hey we're going to lose two units but nothing's been approved I still look at it as we're we're gaining eight so those are my two cents and uh I
think we should be good stewards you know regarding you know our environmental concerns here in fou and try to preserve as much as play era as we can thank you for reminding us of that I really hadn't noticed that they had done that if I could just I will
comment on that and just mention a couple of other the changes to the plan that have been made m in response to concerns uh particularly from the DPW were um showing that the existing
Granite curbing would be extended orderly all the way to the uh curb cut the sidewalk um next to that new curbing would be uh rebuilt that'll be a tactile um
ramp um pad installed and the same on the other side the walkway we've shown would extend down to the street and turn to a tactile pad at the intersection although we don't um
proposed to install Granite curbing for the um area north of the curb cut nor extend the sidewalk in that area because the sidewalk doesn't lead anywhere there's no sidewalk on the um that side of
Sandwich Road the West Side um we would uh put curbing um a Cape Cod burm uh where there is no uh curbing presently along sandwich Road the plan doesn't show it but it of course it'd be simple
to uh have the applicant or the town paint a crosswalk between um this area and the sidewalk across the way that has a path that leads up to the school administration of
buildings that drainage um has been been revised to um uh with new calculations and some changes to the plan new drainage calculations were submitted um and we think that those should satisfy the DPW so in response to Mr Z's suggestions
I would remind the board um that this business owned lot allows lot coverage um of 70% under the zoning
bylaw and our proposed lot coverage is 48.4% it is substantially less than what is is allowed we're putting in uh proposing to put in the play area because it was a
request of um of the boards um so I'd ask um and the idea of reducing the density um remember that this piece of
property AB buts the Mr Cod zoning District the zoning District the Mr cut ends at our property line so right next door we'd be allowed to have 20 units per
acre in the business Zone we're allowed to have by special permit Mr Cod It Be by right in the business district not in Mr Cod the density allowed is six units per acre we're proposing five units per
acre we don't know if we can afford to do this project even with 10 units um Mr es scander is getting uh numbers but he doesn't know yet if we can even do this project I think everybody agrees that
creating apartments in the business district um is something that's needed in Falmouth 7% of our housing stock is rental compared to what's typical or
recommended to be over 30% and and as I've said before Mr scander company which has dozens and dozens
of Dunkin Donut franchises and employs many hundreds of people knows firsthand the problems that its employees have finding housing on the cape including people in management
positions who can't afford to live here and we need this kind of housing now we can eliminate the play area we would still have this area here and each one of
the of the units has a patio behind it not a deep backyard but again this meets all their uh setback requirements um or we could reduce the play area by some
amount of area I don't want to guess what that figur is maybe somebody should suggest what would the planning board like to see before we do that let's see if Mr Z's idea has much support on the
board how many uh subev require a play area I don't think they do I I think that this is such a less dense operation and lot coverage ratio and I'm actually more concerned about
kids having a place to play safe than animals I think it's a perfect use of the site and I it's got good balance and I don't think we should change anything John just want to ask Jed we're doing site plan review and design review uh is
it in our purview to ask for a reduction of units I think I know when I was on the zoning board we could uh I don't know if in our purv my question to you yeah I I don't think it is I mean that's
typically a use type conversation that the zoning board of appeals would have however um when you are dealing with the site and um specific characteristics of the site and if you know perhaps there's
more density on the site than you feel um is appropriate or it might create some sort of safety issue it's certainly uh an opportunity to opine on it uh it's a delegate balance I guess is what I'm saying so um if there's you know
specific concern with the site itself as you deal with the outside of the buildings uh and the circulation patterns so be it thank you I'm thinking and what I'm thinking
is something also that Bob mentioned about putting a crosswalk across sandwich Road however recognizing that that could be dangerous because the school administration building is over there there's a lot of property over there
including some playing fields that would give the kids a heck of a lot more room to play than they'd have in that small park I think that's way outside our concern of course it is I just threw it out because it is a potential if we're
concerned about kids having a place to play my guess of the number of kids who are going to be living there not many there's plenty of room for those kids Paul when this came be Forest that had four buildings along the north border and I thought that was really pretty
neat a fifth building was added and the result is the buildings are only 10 ft apart and we're squeezing in a play area there if you were to to eliminate building six and spread the houses out a little bit I think it would
be much more effective area but then again that depends on the economic viability of the project and Mr dryer your memory isn't quite accurate what there were originally were three buildings with two of them with three
units each and one with five a total of 11 units this five duplex plan actually reduces the footprint of of the buildings um still pretty dense is the point well
it's only hold on lot coverage this is nowhere in near dense this is almost half the lot yes no no as a group we're saying it's dense it's dense It's s it's ridiculously not dense it's just a false it's only 40% lot coverage allowed 70 I
don't how can you argue a point that's so far off mathematically it's you this is the same Zone we have on Main Street it's B2 zoning you want to change the zoning but we don't change it here we approve things that are made for zoning they've accommodated us they're down the
lot coverage ratio is ridiculously low I don't even know how they could afford to do it and and to ask them for more is just crazy as a we we're not rewriting zoning here that's not our job I'm I'm ejecting the word of density I hear this word density
density density I object I'm in favor of increas in density there's no question about it I don't really need the lecture thank you well all I'm saying you asked me for opinion I gave an opinion my opinion I lik it before they put the other item in for economic viability if that's
necessary I'm not objecting to it we need the housing there's no question about it I just you asked me an opinion and I gave it all right now I'd like to give my opinion I am very much in favor of this project just as it is right now I'm very
glad to see that you've changed the Le parking uh when Tom and I visited the site my main concern was actually about saving those bushes it looked to me as if it were going to work as it is and I want to thank you for the accommodations that you've made to us so far very very
much so so I don't support Mr Z's uh desire to change that play area I like it the way it is you finish your presentation well I have um also want to comment on an issue that has uh come up up uh perhaps more
at the board of appeals but I think it's been mentioned here by neighbors there's concern about the length of the uh drive-thru queue and it's been suggested that uh that cars back out to the street and even into uh sandwich roads and it's
been suggested that that even happens uh at this time of year um well it turns out that there is a security camera on the front of the
building which um records all movement in front of the building I wish we had it going all the way back to last summer but we have it um since December 88th uh right up to
a few days ago um and this is the snap SN shot of from the front of the building and although it's a little hard to see if you don't study it a bit this is the que cars car there
car there car there car there there's a car here and there's a car leaving at the intersection this even shows the curb cut so we have a way to tell if the traffic ever backs up as far as it's
been claimed to this photograph at 904 on December 24 Christmas Eve was the only occasion in the last two months that this is the farthest backup
there's been it doesn't even reach the proposed parking area uh for the residences and so this is incontrovertible that is we have photograph evidence of how far
the queue is I went back and I looked at the board of appeals hearing um and noted that um the abutter Mr uh figuro was here said
specifically that at times he had difficulty exiting his driveway because of traffic backed up from the corner he never said that the problem was the length of the que at the
Duncan Donuts now this proof of the current conditions doesn't tell us that there haven't been occasions in the summer months when the queue has been
longer the Dunkin Donuts is analyzing their sales figures they don't think it's possible that there has been backup to the corner if it happens it's they think it's very rare so we think this project works we
think that it's a good place for the housing and we don't think it's going to cause um the impact remember that the whatever traffic problem there is on sandwich Road whatever traffic problem there may be in
the future because of substantial development out on sandwich Road whatever traffic there is because of the Dunkin Donuts it already exists some 200 trips in our out in a peak
hour but this housing according to the Institute of traffic engine year study creates 4.6 trips and that's in and out in the peak hour so maybe in the morning there are four trips out and one trip
in one one trip out every 15 minutes added to what's there the impact of this project creating needed housing will not be significant
we can only create housing we can only create it in the business district where it's allowed in some density by clearing areas that's not entirely true there are certainly situations where they existing
paid parking lots and so on but what we're doing here despite its impact on Wildlife despite removing trees is in this case what we need to
do to create a modest amount of housing I think that employers are being encouraged or should be encouraged to think about providing housing for their employees and for others where they can in the
business district can you put apartments on the second floor or the third floor of your building is there room to create a couple of Apartments well here there is room this is a 2 Acre
Site and we can put in this really attractive a lot of people have said it's no problem with the design of the buildings and so on and only have 42% lot coverage on the property you know I've been thinking
about about this particular use of this property for ever since Dunkin Donuts bought this property from Eastern Bank and it really is a good project um and maybe we could reduce
that play area a little bit maybe save a few more trees um but neighbors have an opportunity to put in screening themselves we can maximize the screening we can
do and I think the planning board's prepared to do this I hope the board of appeals is prepared to do this to get to yes on this project and if we can make it as good as possible better well we're all for that
too thanks thank you is there any other comment from the board before we do want to add that um with that photo is um on affidavit uh given by the loss
prevention manager of the uh JJC development uh confirming that she's reviewed the entire record this is the only occasion um in that period that the traffic backed up even as far as it shown that far it's actually quite a
distance thank you anyone else from the board just John uh this past year I constructed uh six apartments in East f with three duple and they have a fenced in Grass area there's two two young children there and they play out they love having the
outdoors to play in not the first time I don't know if this should be reduced or not I did a site visit there and it seems to me that it's a great spot for it it's as far away from Sandwich as you can get and safe as you can get so it will be able to be quiet back there if
there are children there that's where they'll play yeah any other comment Pat despite the fact that I said what Bob said oh you could put a path across sandwich Road no that was really much tongue and cheek it would be too dangerous I don't like cutting down
trees and all that sort of thing however what they have done in bringing it back in further and the landscaping around there I think it's it's lovely I think I I like that plant firm there in fence that made a real effort to accomodate
the neighbor abolutely and as was pointed out and this is very true the neighbors can also do some mitigation along there for themselves but I think they've done an amazing job of pulling that back in
and accommodating the neighbors as much as they could while still having a play area Paul uh I'm in favor of the project I just wanted to get an opinion out that's all that's good I think it's a good project I always did nothing else s yeah
another time we'll go with you anyone in the public want to comment on this before we close the hearing the meeting good evening board my name is Lori Lopes and I am in a butter and I just would like to raise a
few concerns that I've had since the very beginning um first of all every time we've had a meeting the paperwork has been changed the plans have been changed nothing's been right this
says um I'm sorry um 10 two bedroom apartments in five on story buildings that's not true they're twostory so that's wrong on this paper in the very first
meeting um the very first plan with the three units like Mr um Drea was speaking of we showed up for that plans and then they took those plans off and they showed the new plan the five the five units I why was that even allowed why
would you why' you even allow them to present those plans on that day well could I just say one of the reasons the reason really um for holding hearings is to get comments from the board and to get comments from the abuts really but from the public and to see can we
accommodate everybody so that the role of the planning board is to assist the development of the Town that's what we're supposed to do and we feel we can best assist it by by preserving the character of the Town within its zoning rules and by accommodating the people who are going to live near it and trying
to make it be amicable so of course if nothing changed from meeting to meeting what would be the point why would we listen to one another unless people were willing to make changes I mean that's that's what happens okay but that's not what I asked
um I was wondering why that was allowed to happen because you went from one plan that us a Butters came here prepared for and completely took that plan off and presented a whole new plan that probably should have gone a new application a new
wouldn't that have to go and get a whole new like application wouldn't they have to pay a whole new fee they drastically changed the the um I wasn't Small Change Mr man could you comment on that I don't want to interrupt Miss I
thought finished go ahead please do there is an error in this week's uh agenda it does refer to one-story buildings which is not correct there's been no Prejudice to uh Miss Lopes or to anybody else she continues to go back to a
meeting months ago with concerns that we reduce the number of uh units reduced the um square footage of the um footprint and of course in the
process of reducing the number of units reduce parking requirements and reduce the uh septic flow and so on this was a reduction in the in the proposal but in any case she's come to every
meeting which under the law waves any objection to notice I think that um that issue of our reducing the project really should be a nonissue we
shouldn't be faulted for it and um you know we're trying to do a good project and it takes an awful lot of work the error in just a description of the building so on so that's had nothing to do with the applicant and it's a
desp irrelevant made by the the planning board and planning department we should have caught it but there's been multiple of them from the very beginning and still you know I really still haven't gotten an answer but
um and if you let Mr Amit know that I never made any request about taking one of the buildings out or any like that I've never made any of those quests that was not me so um there's that um um so I guess in
closing you know none of us really like changing our developments right we don't like cell poles we don't like develop we don't like homes in our backyards I don't like homes not because it's going to reduce the my property value because
I have no plan on ever selling my home but I do like the way my backyard looks it's already has a beautiful I don't have to mitigate it it's already beautiful back there but um I don't know like to thank you guys
for nothing any other comments Now's the Time okay I want to I'll close the hearing meeting and I would if I may um I would hold off on doing that just yet because the revised plans that attorney
AMT just went through you have not received an engineering referral back on those plans yet um we've already started drafting a a decision for you in anticipation of you asking us um just trying to get ahead of it um but I would
hold off on asking us to do anything until you see a referral from the engineering division could I comment on that okay fine and I certainly not going to turn you down but you know we're we're in very uncertain times right now there's uh a financial issue will they be able to do it Is it feasible and
under the rules as we understand them now yeah it seems who knows what those are going to be I think the sooner we can get this out of the uh approval and permitting process and into construction and working to get the extra housing for the town the safer
we are if you'd like us to to have a draft motion for you at the next meeting we can certainly do that are you expecting an adverse engineering decision I'm not expecting adverse but I don't want to
put the carart before the horse but we can certainly put the cart and the horse next to each other good way to go and you know if I may just um you know I apologize I missed that on the agenda it was my error uh so I take full responsibility for that for that one
story issue can I offer really if anyone wants to come by the planning office to go through the plans with me I'm happy to do so I I I have a question also when you get to it here Mr am and then John and then we'll move
on uh thanks Madam chairman just a couple of comments one the board of appeals continued hearing is two weeks from this Thursday I don't know if you're meeting next week or not until the week after that but if we certainly would like to have a decision uh site
plan review decision um um issued uh right after that hearing so it can be considered by the board of appeals the other thing I wanted to say and I had said this to uh the town planner earlier this week uh you have
two roles really one is site plan review of course and the other is you do get asked for a referral from the um board of appeals and so I believe that if not in site plan review then on the whole
issue of density the whole issue of use I think that the planning board board uh certainly can and I think should weigh in in this case I think that um I hope that the planning board in its referral
if not in sight plan review would give a message to the board of appeals and that is that creating rental housing in locations like this where there's public transportation uh potential or existing
nearby um in business districts and so on um um is really a high priority and so that you would favor and urge the board of appeals to favor the creation of this type of housing for rent by the way thank
you thank you John uh uh thank you Jed when I met with you earlier today I mentioned you that I had done a site visit and we were discussed building five I believe the location or screening
could you uh enlighten me I was there going to be more screening or the building was going to be adjusted what what was the uh so if if I may the the fifth building which just close to where the goats are I think correct um let me just grab my
side planine CU I just closed it uh I believe at the introduction uh attorney on mentioned that they added some additional trees uh behind building five just tap the screen so we can see it
again may have you out by now yeah I was just going to say I think the Landscaping plan shows it appropriately it's I believe it's so building five on that site plan is uh furthest to the left next or adjacent to the play area
there are what appear to be four um shade or not shade tree uh screening trees a proposed just behind it a budding uh which is shown on the plan is lot 7 so Bob if you could just scroll up just to here y y so at the
very top of the screen there are four um trees proposed behind that perious patio to screen between five uh building five and the adjacent property now if you were referring to between the the um what's shown on the
plan as the goat pen I'm I'm referring as a building five to the left that's building six the the one by itself this is building five because the first building number one is the store the Dunkin Donut store okay 2
3 4 5 six so I was discussing building six then okay the screening be screening behind building six yeah also we remember that that the the topography changes considerably
and I guess it's a six foot drop 7t from it is considerable so these trees are going to have more of an impact even right away than you might think impact because the building would
be low trees building the F the first floor is 7 ft below this area okay just I know it's close to uh Miss slope's property so fact I said hi to our goats when I was there so didn't
feed them though good thank you so you're you're doing what you can to accommodate that situation right okay yeah thank you yeah you all said good stuff I am okay I think that we can um close now and move along and we will get a positive decision for our
next meeting with the conditions yes ma yeah okay thank you very much thank you and thank you for the project you good project app after consults site plan review application to construct a detached accessory dwelling
unit at 339 brick Kil publishing date nothing more um deadline not till April 8th so we have plenty of time that's fine Mr Gales would you like Jed to explain your projectr
to tell us about it's I guess it was done once mad chair if I may just the noce oh public not notice for this project was uh published in the newspaper on
1242 and I apologize the notice that we gave Paul didn't include the number of ab Butters the file says that 15 AB Butters werei by regular mail 15 155 they don't seem to be here they must be okay with
it okay let's let's hear about it I love catching you oh yeah you point yeah I'm just just trying to make this thing right it's been on um I don't even know how to use this
thing there we go so see yeah this is the building right here that's in question I own both of the properties my wife and I the accessory dwelling unit we're trying to just make it legal or whatever
it's been there since 1970 um this was where I grew up right here in the main house um my grandfather my father built the house for my grandfather who had pass way he had a h excuse me water
here um he had um a building fire on a building down the street so my dad constructed this little cottage if you will and it's been there since 1970 so we're just trying to make it we know we need housing if you will for everybody
so we're just trying to make it legal it's been there my grandfather lived there family members have been in there over the years um this is a current residence in now now so we just so you're not making any changes there's no no changes they have all the pictures
photos of the property everything else and Melinda it meets all the requirements conforms to the size requirements it does percentages everything matches bedroom it's only one bedroom open the pictures it looks
really tiny it is Tiny yeah very has it looks new on staff report it says the bedroom count needs to be addressed is has that been addressed it has um so I spent um
some time today with the building department verifying the building uh permit applications and it did in fact predate the uh existence of the Water Resource protection overlay District which allows the applicant to maintain the number of bedrooms that they have on
the site and not increase them so they are allowed to maintain the four bedrooms that they have on the the other alternative as you know would have been to remove a bedroom in the main dwelling but they do not need to do that because that Clause uh is within
your accessory uh dwelling unit by I know that and yes to your point in the staff report we've reviewed this thoroughly uh you see that it meets all the requirements and we recommend that you approve the application as presented yeah any
questions I think that was the biggest issue okay so thank you yeah I have no problem with it you want to make a motion okay so I move that are we voting on this or are we
just going to wait for oh positive Mo well we have to say we want a positive motion yeah okay I move that we ask staff to prepare a positive motion I don't think we need to move to do that need to do I think it I think it it provides some uh
structure I love so let's let's do it he's a structuralist structure is great we like to blame other people when we can right belt suspenders right I'll second all in favor I Clos the heing so no we never we
never project looks really nice thank you sorry I had to wait so long yeah I like the series of photographs thank you for those oh they're lovely aren't okay even realistic one okay moving on uh Jose ales site
plan review application construct an attach accessory dwelling at 7 Carlton Circle Mr Al good evening everyone Madam chair if I may uh your notice and not this project was published on
12425 and uh for the record 26 AB buts were notified by regular mail and nobody is alarmed uh it appears not right okay um
my idea is I have um ex existing uh Garage in our house we don't use the garage and uh I like to transform the garage in one Studio
so right there is the garage and uh the idea for the student it's going to be the a of the garage is uh it's about the 22 by 19.7 and
um I have on a on a house Upper Floor I have two bed three bedrooms and I have one bedroom very small so I want to take that bathroom out and if it's
possible make this garage usable for for the family because we don't use the garage and uh it's the one place we can use for the family not just for my family but my I have a sister live way
far sometime she come and uh we can use so it's going to be like a a bathroom and then we have this ex existant uh stairs goes for the storage so I like to keep this that
stairs right now it's very very tight so have to be more put on the cord and uh put a door has a one door here cuz on the storage no no heat so put the one door and the begin
the stairs so the bathroom and a little laundry and shower in the little kitchen for one space for breakfast and uh and the idea is put
like a sofa bed or something somebody can sleep there how do you get into the laundry room where's the door to the laundry room oh the door of the LA oh let me that's here this yeah right right here it's going to
be the the door for the laund ah right here in the front Okay yeah might want to modify the drawing a bit to show that show this is the exist St um yeah
house is the this is the back of the house you at how you get right there is is bathroom oh really yeah they just didn't put the doors in I know I know the doors need to be put in we'll need that for
their building per yeah for building yeah so the living space is going to be uh on the ground floor of the garage yes and then the upstairs is just going to be storage just storage it's going to be unheated and uh not not a bedroom no and
uh oh there there is the the the frame for for the M for the the garage for the floor of the garage m and right here you can see on upper Upper
Floor I have this bedroom uh 102 so what I want to do I want to take the door out put drywall and open uh like a leave one
space open like I don't know maybe 4 ft for inside the the other bathroom so I can make the there like a walking closet okay so you'll notice in the uh staff
report and uh referrals the Board of Health had indicated that um in order to approve the Adu uh as you know a bedroom would need to be removed from the inside of the house which um Mr elves was just describing so that that bedroom on um
the second floor the smallest one The Proposal would be to remove the door have a case opening that way they could shift that bedroom to the uh accessory dwelling unit that will be in the garage okay and then a conforms to the
requirements that's right so that's the only issue yes yep any questions that issue is resolved so yeah right where El at Paul yeah I just have a question uh would be helpful if you consultant put a Locus plan on where this site is I knew
that was kind I thought it originally Colton Lane which is a totally different area but it's it would be helpful to have a locust plan okay excuse me do you know what he's
referring to he has about the plane yeah no but it's a little square that shows where in town this is with the two streets Crossing so we can find our way there it's not part of your plan it's just it's a little map in the corner of your plan that lets people find you where where this is oh right right you
don't you should have it on your plan okay okay it's called the Locust and it's it's usually up in the top right hand corner left hand corner this this scy right there right yeah but it doesn't show across street it yeah it's like a mini plan
that goes in ask your engineer to put on it on the okay just just for the record the reason that the site plan is included in the application is just to show that they they have adequate parking actually we don't even do that this is a by right we're supposed to not make him do all the extra engineering he
doesn't have to do that that's right he can do this on paper by hand if he wanted to nice to have okay I agree you're you're well set we we've passed with plans we're way over on graph paper yeah this is fine proceeded GPS you can look it up so easy I know I I was just
trying to Des Describe the word Locust I didn't think you understood what that was not everyone knows that the pl that we're getting at this thank you so much okay um wait a minute I cleaned up my agenda I need to find it we going make a
motion are we ready to approve it you are next time okay you'll put in some it's got all the requirements and our opinion okay so then I move that we asked our professional staff to prepare a motion for our next meeting
second all in favor I good we all said thank you very much it looks like a really good project good luck with it okay last Ro of business for the night David clarry site plan review application to construct a detached accessory dwelling
unit at 14 Inlet Lane we don't seem to have mrar okay Dave yeah finally it's your turn I W have to sleep my name is David Clary I'm the
applicant for uh Peter Mahoney and what we're under we have a uh construction built already which is a two-car garage and we just we're we're planning on or we would like to have permission to put a one-bedroom apartment
upstairs in the in the garage itself and um that's basically what I [Music] have does it need to requirements yes it does yeah does and
if I may uh I apologize the notice sorry a little behind sorry I project was advertised Enterprise on 1242 SL you know how I'm sorry you don't know how to do
it many uh for the record 13 for notified coming yeah I wanted to see that want this back so this is the existing building it's already there [Music] yes so we're not going to have any questions about architecturally feeding
the neighborhood or anything it's all done right and so all really about is formality we have to do a site plan review because uh it's a detached that's the only reason why we're doing this do we have any
issues again we we ought to have a location how do you get to that are there's no Road showing how you get down to that particular I'm sorry I can't really hear you I I don't think we require that Paul for avus and he does have it
it's on the front page yeah but how do you get to it I looked it up it's not even in the record of where this road is so I was just curious how you get to it that's all we'll Brint you [Applause]
directions I shouldn't have to go to ways are there any other issues the bedroom is upstairs in this one okay my concern about that is and I don't know whether it's a valid concern turn or not
but when you have an Adu you're supposed to be able to have exit capacity so I don't know how you could get that from that bedroom upstairs we don't even have that in our normal houses and I don't know whether that's part of what we need
to be looking at sure the building inspector will discuss that with him yeah I just don't want somebody to be caught flat foot no it's it could require a secondary means of egress yeah we can follow up with the Building Commissioner uh tomorrow just to make
sure that because this is this is the first that I've seen that's a TW story twole accessory ding um we can just follow up before we draft to do up a positive motion if that's I would think it would be like any two story house you have a fire exit window yeah and and the
sheetrock requirements the building commission is going to tell them you got double 11 sheetrock because you have a garage with gasoline there's all kinds of requirements to be put in a building but that's not our job that happens when he goes downstairs and meets with the Building Commissioner he gets a whole new lesson yeah I just hate to have
people caught by notw and the stairs lead to an outside exit on the first floor so right yeah so are we ready we have a so I would move that we ask our staff to provide us a motion of
approval at our next meeting which is the 28th 24th but said the 25th the 25th my apologies hey Paul
Paul there's your Locus right there what you showing me there it down no you can't because when we do that it comes back to bite us and there are a couple of things that it has to check out
okay so we'll get a positive motion to the next meeting yes and we'll be all set thank you you don't necessarily have to attend that meeting and I just wanted to make a general comment both this set of plans and the last set of plans were way more than we usually get so and we're not
supposed to be that tough on he should be complimented for the level of detail I know I'm just making a general comment I think they're wonderful yeah they they're a lot better than we usually get so I I'm saying this is great that's for other people that are playing in this you know oh and and this whole house is
new it's under construction absolutely it is thank you okay thank you good luck um Mr Clary could I just ask you a question Jed I'll ask you I can't tell from the drawing what kind of siding is that is that that cement siding oh
shingles oh from the photos yeah from the photos it looks like it is but I I couldn't tell you off hand uh it looks like yeah building El it could be could be C shingles too but whatever was just curiosity on my
part okay we are moving on planning board discussion planning department do we have a report we certainly do um so um we are happy to announce that um we attended the
planning department along with other departments attended a resilient WS hole um Workshop uh held by and in conjunction with uh the institutions of Buie NBL Noah Etc um and in your packets
uh this evening we gave you um the agenda for the afternoon uh Charlotte and Paul also attended this uh Workshop um it's stock full of helpful information related to the resilient wh hole initiative which started with the
three institutions understanding that as sea level rise um consistently occurs they need to be um proactive in planning for their buildings um but then realized that you know as they mentioned at the workshop that the community at large
done with whole also needs to be included in that planning um initiative because it's going to affect all of us at some point um and so we were um you know excited to be there for half of a day we learned a lot about what they've done um we've learned a lot about what
they plan to do in the future and um you know as a way to sort of plug the um process itself they have developed a website which we had hope to bring up on the screen but I'll just um talk about it you can Google resilient wso they
have a lot of material there related to basically telling the story where they started where they are and you know what the future work and of course the the town is um you know Central to that because as you know
we have um an awful lot of coastlines that will be subject to flooding in the near future and um some of the initiatives that they've already started dry flood proofing wet flood proofing Etc can be used throughout Town um in supal
areas one of which is this building uh that we sit in tonight um because their modeling indicates by 2070 that water could be around the parking lot if not in the basement um during some of their severe storms of this building so um it
was a fascinating event um we thank those institutions very much and we look forward to participating um much more in in the future it was interesting to me and several uh points of view for those of you who actually work in uh real estate and building you probably see the
other people who send us reports but I at least don't and at this particular meeting um they were there so that Mr mccon from the DPW um Matthew I won't even get all the names from marine and IR environmental and was willing to talk to me about an issue I cared about the
police the fire department um they were all there and responsive to it and answering questions in their area so it was really an interesting meeting from several standpoints one of the points that was made if I can just add to that town manager assistant Town manager there as well correct and and a member
two members of Select boy absolutely it was well attended it was dou brown here that were there um and Mr Renshaw spoke briefly but it really was the organization's meeting they've staffed it they've done the work and it was
pointed out to them by towns people that um wait a minute with a lot of our Shoreline we all have the same problem and in order to get public support for the funding that will be needed to confront and do anything about any of these issues it's going to have to be at least townwide it's probably Regional
because it will affect us all so that was one important thing that happened and then the other was you might remember a few years ago there was a I think it was called Coastal resiliency task force MH MH um in which the uh the
Woods Hole organization played a large part they had um hired Consultants it was a well research plan and not all of their recommendations but their recommendations differed from what was being said this week over at hooie um on
a very important issue and it's sort of the two sides of responding to uh coastal flooding do you Retreat mhm if so where do you Retreat when do you Retreat what do you take with you what do you let let go of the retreat how
much of it would be um a matter of uh public financing how much of it would be a private financing there are a lot of issues around that retreat but it more or less said you need to retreat because the water needs a place to go and its
natural storage areas we already know where they are and we ought to respect those that was the first report the people who have invested over 50 or 70 or more years in the buildings in the infrastructure in the entire uh
Community there at least that particular Community Retreat is not what they're thinking about not and they are thinking about well if I have to raise the road uh you have to raise the drains because the bottom of the drain still goes out at a low area they're looking at it
really from a very different perspective and those will be kind of the two uh main perspectives I would think so in a way it's it uh it initiates the town wider planning on which way are we going to go my guess is it would wind up being
a balance between the two some one way some other ways depending on how densely inhabited those areas are some of the uh highest uh tax rate properties that AB the town would lose that Revenue right right so that's right well and the other
thing is why would the town pay for private property holders to harden their Shoreline you know think about it so um it's there are a lot of questions involved in it and they didn't really get um directly addressed this week but
I was very aware of the contrast between the two reports while we were listening it was it was good to go okay is that Paul if you recall I sat on that committee for almost 3 years attended every single meeting and it was a good report and I
mentioned that they should read that report it's on the website because people file it and don't think about it but there was some very good information on our website and one of the key elements was getting a castal resiliency coordinator and my understanding is they've offered a position to two different people who
went elsewhere but right but they're working toward that for this year but the other issue comes up and over riding issue in my opinion is it's the same issue that the water quality management has if you have someone installing an IA
system benefits for that IIA system is more than just a homeowner it's to a larger town area and some of these benefits for Coastal resiliency is the same area the benefits ACR to people outside the immediate Property Owners so
there's a big issue there and it involves everything from transfer development rights which we frequently talked about but the town is concerned about a fairness Doctrine on how you deal with some of those issues and that's a a big issue when it comes to the cost of these
projects the last time that I can remember that the American public had to deal with the issue of public Assumption of private Misfortune when you think about it private Misfortune the ocean's going to eat your land the last time the whole country had to deal with it was
when it was trying to think about well how come the public has to pay for handicapped children not my kid and there was an enormous back and forth over that because like this it's a very expensive thing to do and it was the humanitarian concern these are our
children this is our country and so forth and this is our land you know the same arguments are going to be made and we'll we'll start hearing them surf Drive is going to be a big one yes because it's
long it's low it is the recognizable town beach where so many tourists go and what do you do because it's going to be in and has a big burying all that new infrastructure along there right all kinds of infrastructure under and that's
that's one of the key elements that we talked about in the workshop was it's it's not just about people's home it's about the infrastructure that the town has put in place that infrastructure is all for Martha's Vineyard isn't it yeah that has nothing to do that is all Martha's Vineyard connections that sewer
no what the surf Drive I shot a video of it it's that I gave to the DPW that it's just extensive it's much more than they did the last time it's and they have I it's a huge project well they're electrifying the whole island where they've been running on generators
diesel generators forever but for so now it's oh yeah that must be really nice I didn't know that until recently that they I would like to know how much money is being spent on that project and affecting our town and our traffic for Martha's Vineyard to have their lights
yeah yeah and it's going to be underwater yeah well you're fellow citizens yeah but Pat we go back to when we trying to get over there stay off my Beach private when we were talking about artificial reefs and things like that to
to break up the the water uh before it gets to the to the beach and I'm glad to see that they're building Dunes uh right now uh but more of that needs to be done I I think there are ways of soft doring seashores and we saw
from Sandy that the areas that were naturally fortified with uh dunes and grasses and things like that they survived the hard armored places got gone washed away and washed away or if you do the hard armoring out in the water break breaking
it so that there's no way that you kill some of the Velocity see that's probably what we're going to be facing yeah we're all going to learn a lot more about it so very quickly um this is the resilient Woods whole web web page um I'm just going to hover over some of the key
items here I mean you um again this is just resilient with.org um you can learn more about what the project is uh the types of Engagement opportunities uh that the project had one of which is the climate walking trail which is really neat down in Woods
Hole so you can take your phone and go to these um posts and uh scan a QR code and learn more about um that particular site and uh the resilient witho initiative uh the projects that they've been working on one of the um key ones
is a story map uh so this is an arcgis platform which is very easy to use you just click and scroll it just tells you the story about the entire project and some of the Milestones that they've um accomplished and then um importantly for this group which I thought was very
interesting and I haven't had a chance to go through yet um is an analysis from Nutter uh legal team on the regulatory barriers that the town currently has one of which is uh a the zoning bylaw some
of the um restrictions within the zoning bylaw so for example is someone who's in a velocity Zone if they want to reconstruct their home they have to raise it um but they're constrained by the building height so you take what they could normally do um but you don't
allow them to exceed the 35t building height um and so they have to do more sze it in a smaller area um and so those are some of the things that uh that legal team had put together so we plan to go through that to Identify some things that we might want to consider in
the future so there's a lot of resources here um and I encourage folks to to check it out and if they have any questions feel free to contact the planning office we're happy to walk through it with them yeah I think most of us went to the site plan um visit for
the dock down there didn't we all M I don't know if all of us been down there most of us were yeah I fish all around there I didn't have to go see it I know yeah yeah and heard and they the that they were telling us then for um uh 12
no 2030 2050 2070 right this plan goes only to 2070 like that one y I think that's okay the way out well that's the problem living in a geriatic community none of us
is okay so um anything else from the planning board that's that's it for us that's it for you like to future agenda items is this the right time yeah um I think committee report we can go back have committee report I'm sorry committee
reports we heard the C resy I have a committee report but I have a question or a comment first oh okay I wasn't able to attend uh the uh session in woods hle but but was the topic for Woods Hole only or was it for
the town of Falmouth in general Woods Hall only right what about the rest of us well their money's doing that was the point of everyone who was not an employee at Woods Hall okay so the select board the planning board the
police the fire the everybody else's wait a minute okay and they they agreed that if there's ever going to build a consensus to help them out with this it has to be all of us absolutely in fact I think it was the first thing people jumped on okay yeah all right that was
my question thank you for the answer and for committtee report uh this Thursday uh uh for the cape C commission we're going to have a virtual meeting uh 3 o' and the topic is Cape Cod
freshwater strategy I'll just read the the staff is going to present the draft for the Cape Cod freshw strategy which is a plan intended to address protection and restoration of freshwater ponds and lakes in the Cape Cod region commission
members will will discuss the presentation and may ask questions and the general public can also uh ask questions and make comments is that going to be a zoom yes and where can we find the link just go to the the cape C commission
website oh they they've been studying uh you know there's almost uh I think it's 980 pawns on Cape Cod freshwater ponds and so far they've studied over they've with another group over 500 of them this
is a the staff report update I live right next to an 8 acre Town Pond if it were 10 acres they would study it but they don't they have a cut off that's not nice well you can ask that question I will because
I would think it's all about the water table coming right up same thing yeah of course and if you let it get poisoned here it'll affect over right Madam chair uh to answer your question um if you go to the caput
commission website click on meeting notices scroll down um they've got um instructions how to join the virtual meeting and then this is the uh meeting that John was just referencing so you can click on that and you can actually join right from that um that Zoom link
does that say February 13th February 13th yes Thursday what website is this is the cape cot commission okay so just click on meeting meeting notices uh on the top right of the homepage and it'll bring you to the uh the list of
meetings John do you recall when you were talking about your work on the Cape Cod Commission uh you reported that the Cape Cod Commission approved vertex and Horizon's application for a monopole but they reserved judgment leaving it to the
local CBA to consider aesthetic impact I am here to report to you that the zba did not consider that they felt the Cape Cod Commission had done a very thorough job and they did not have to do much after that just to let you know well if I'm still on the
zba maybe I would have had a different opinion for you but I'm not well just in case you have friends over there so one know the committee I uh was asked to make a presentation to the select board last night on the film with
250 that was a very very brief presentation talking about the organization talking about overall the kinds of things we want to do and some specific activities are being implemented and you did a good job did you bring the proclamation that's next
you ah okay here it is your that's announcements isn't it you didn't get to it yet oh is that the announcement wait a minute we done with committee reports you have no no so now it's we're done anybody else Recreation
committee what else I want want to talk about new agenda items is that is the appropriate time uh no we're apparently doing announcements going to read the and here we have our Proclamation um that Paul drafted very nicely because he discovered that it's
our H 100th birthday as a planning office and that we were the fourth on the tape we were among the first 10 in Massachusetts and we bouth decided to have a planning board they voted to have a planning board just shortly after the
state had enabling legislation to create planning boards and say what it was we were supposed to be doing so Falmouth hopped right on it they've been on it ever since if we had had time we would have be able to pick out our Milestones because fouth actually has kept ahead of
a number of issues reasonably well not 100% but reasonably well so thank you Paul um for doing this Proclamation and thank you for your work on the 250th anniversary I understand that it's been somewhat contentious CU there's a problem with
the dates right so anyone who wants to look at this I'm going to hand it down it was I don't know who did it up so nicely must have been the place to put it oh where we going to put it I have a suggestion
i' mention it to you as a as a uh a plaque downstairs for consultant who did a project for the town and it was was awarded to the DPW so and it's more of an advertisement for the consultant than it is for anything else that belongs in DPW and
maybe that could go in the place it's just down the hall from uh uh collector's office on the right hand side why wouldn't we put it right outside the town manager's office this is uh Kudo for theti hiding in here nor
put it down there the planning office was obviously involved at some point but it's really recognizing the whole town M having done this above my pay grade well we'll hand it along to more superior pay
grate I'll do what I can Jim yes um I would like to have an agenda item in the future to talk about transfer development rights we've kicked it around and kicked it around and kicked around and I think uh we should at least put it on a planning is it going to be this year are we going to start talking
about it or six months or pick Target time and let's start putting together issues for it sure okay and we were going to begin thinking about lighting regulations correct yep and I got a little announcement too I uh have become
I've seen some uh fct TV's uh introductions to all the Z the zba planning board Selectmen they redid the television Sid and I think it's you Paul I think they're showing you in your park I think over there they've got a picture
of the the park and I I think you you were walking they're doing all kinds of work and there's somebody that wasn't a town employee and looking at the side I think you could be in the picture that's great it's a quick little Flash and I know about because they um I
volunteered I I did uh probably 20 two or three hours of videos of all all the town's buildings and I gave them to the fctv and they're using some of my uh Aerial Work in their their Town's presentation so you can't really tell what it is it flashes by so quickly you
won notice it but anything that's up in the air that's for me okay great great thank you well if you want to follow up on that the uh I don't know what picture you're talking about you haven't seen it just I saw it today for the first time any rate the the bids are out for the platform and uh there was a pre-bid
meeting two weeks ago uh I think you attended that as well did Anda there have been a number of uh up requests for clarifications but nothing major according to the town engineer and the bids are due on the 14th of this month
so we'll have a better handle on who's interested what's going to cost my concern is a lot of wood comes from Canada and I don't know what that's going to do to the cost right who knows what's going to happen next but boy this is you have to be really satisfied to
see this finally coming around well I think Jeremiah Pearson and his crew are doing a f fantastic job of that Park I like the park and he doesn't even fish I I wrote a letter to on behalf of the town to Dylan Fernandez because he was
the one who got the money for the park from the Department of environment Rec Recreation I think Vicky l so he's uh 300 committee bought that Land from the bank and donated to the town specific for the park but I redid the
map showing what they're doing in the park with the help of of uh Jeremiah and I put that in the kiosk if you want to look at it but it shows what the elements are because it was just a sketch that was in there initially so that's been updated so uh hopefully
things will get moving this spring excellent excellent this is all good news and another one for future agenda yeah I I still want to have uh a housing brainstorming session here because um you know we talk about build baby build and we're not going to get out of this
just by building uh uh more in bigger housing units uh we've got to come up with some other creative ways of utilizing ex existing structures in town whether it's private homes whether it's public buildings uh whatever but I I think we need to get that out because
you know I've been driving to hyenas a lot lately and uh you look at these big huge apartment buildings there housing isn't any cheaper in hyenas than it is here so it hasn't solve the problem and it's just made more of a it's just and who are we building for uh every
Saturday morning I'm down the Woods Hole boat shop and it's all uh 20 somethings now and that's one of the big topics is is housing and how uh this one uh couple saying we're giving it five years and then we're out of here and these are people working in small businesses
they're working for the institutes uh and they're saying you know we look at these housing uh the apartment buildings going up we can't afford to live in those right so you know we we've got to come up with other ways of of uh doing it besides just building big huge
buildings well the other thing to look at down in hyanis is how does much does that appeal to you that look right and that's the other thing you know we going to destroy the village in order to save it I mean I think part of it I know we shouldn't discuss it now but part of it is just advertising what's possible
under our existing bylaws boarding houses rooming houses there are a lot of arrangements that people think of and think we need a bylaw like that well we have a bylaw like a lot of that so just making the information available is there anything else we want
future agenda items on I'll make a motion we adjourn is there a second second all in favor I thank you all very much t [Music]