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John's liquor store 729 Main Street Fmouth 5085482287 regular meeting for July 13, 2026. Uh quick note, we did uh move this meeting uh to this location uh because of a conflicting Cape Cod Baseball League

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game and anyone looking for the board of health meeting, it is now downstairs, not in this room. Um, at this time I would entertain a motion to go into executive session with regard to Massachusetts General Laws chapter 30A section 21A3 to discuss strategy with respect to

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collective bargaining with Felmouth Firefighters Local 1397 and Mass General Laws chapter 30A section 21A3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining with Falmouth Public Library Association. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor?

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>> Roll call. >> Roll call vote. line. I >> Mosscoly I >> Brown I >> Reed I >> Boldstone I we will return for uh open session at 6:30 space. >> I want to be here, Bob.

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>> All right. Uh, >> so I should stop. The select board is returning from executive session and I'm pleased to announce that we have uh reached agreement with respect to collective bargaining with the Falmouth Public Library Association. Uh we will now return to our open session. If you would all please join me for the pledge

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of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. If you would all please uh

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silence your cell phones and if anyone is making a video or audio recording of this open session meeting, please notify uh the chair. The placement and operation of the recording equipment should not interfere with the conduct of the meeting. One is making recording. Excellent. Thank you very much.

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Uh we will move on to proclamations and we have a full slate of proclamations. We will start uh with a proclamation for the 35th anniversary of the Woods Hole Film Festival. Mr. Mscali, >> thank you. Whereas 2026 marks the 35th

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anniversary of the Woods Hole Film Festival, one of the country's longest running and most respected independent film festivals. And whereas for 35 years the festival has brought filmmakers, artists, students and audiences from across the country and around the world

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to Felmouth and Woods Hole, celebrating the art of storytelling through film. And whereas the festival contributes significantly to the local economy by attracting visitors who support local restaurants, lodging establishments,

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shops, and other businesses while enhancing Falmouth's reputation as a vibrant center for arts and culture. And whereas through workshops, panel discussions, student programs, and film making filmmaker Q&As, the festival

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creates meaningful educational and cultural opportunities for residents and visitors of all ages. And whereas the festival's long-standing connection to the Woods Hall scientific community fosters dialogue and engagement around

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science, innovation, the environment, and the power of storytelling. And whereas the Woods Hole Film Festival enriches the cultural life of the town of Felmouth by inspiring creativity, building community, and bringing people

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together through film. Now therefore be it proclaimed that the town of Falmouth hereby designates July 25th through August 1st, 2026 as Woods Hole Film Festival Week in recognition of the festival's enduring artistic excellence,

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educational, economic, and cultural contributions to the community. In witness whereof, we have herein to set our hand and cause the great seal of the town of Felmouth to be affixed. On the 13th day of July, 2026, Heather MH

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Goldstone, Chair Colin W. Reed, Vice Chair Douglas C. Brown, Robert P. MSCI, and Elizabeth Klene. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. and we definitely look forward to celebrating that anniversary. Um, our next proclamation

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is in recognition of Cape Verdian Heritage Month July. Uh, Mr. Reid >> have the honor of reading this. Bear with me, but also in celebration of their good showing at the uh, World Cup. >> Whereas the Cape Cod Cape Verdian Museum

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and Cultural Center, Inc. was established as a new nonprofit organization in December 2019. And whereas the town of Felmouth welcomed the Cape Cod Cape Verdian Museum and Cultural Center, Inc. to serve our community in se in celebrated their opening of their first physical building

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on the site of the historic Emerald House at 67 Davisville Road, East Falmouth in June of 2021. And whereas the Cape Cod Cape Verdian Museum and Cultural Center is the only one of its kind at this time in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, which focuses its

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historical and cultural education and tours to visitors from all over the world, primarily on the contributions of the early immigrant experience from the West African archipelago of Cabo Verde, which began in the 17th century with whaling and continued to itinerate

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farming, aiding particularly in the industrialization of the local cranberry bogs in Cape Cod. And whereas such venerated Cape Verdians lived and or worked in the town of Falmouth, such as Marina and Tony Andrews and family, former owners of Tony Andrews farm,

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Paulino Rodriguez, former police uh Falmouth police chief and veteran of the US Army. Uh Virat Vinnie de Dimacce, former senator and family of Liz Miranda, current senator of in Boston, whose family still lives in Felmouth.

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Whereas the Cape Cod Cape Verian Museum and Cultural Center, Inc. partnered in 2022 with the Falmouth Public School System to bring all second grade classes on field trips to the museum and has now educated over 600 students and teachers about the rich history of Cabo Verde and

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our Cape Verdian residents of Felmouth Mashp and Bourne in particular and in Cape Cod in total at the same year began a sister school program partnership with ELLLCV English language learning school of Cabo Verde through a shared

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partnership with the Pedro Piers Institute for Cape Verdian Studies. Three more. Whereas the Cape Verdian uh Cape Cape Cod Cape Verdian Museum and Cultural Center, Inc. received a medal of merit in culture presented to them by

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the Prime Minister of Cabo Verde on July 3rd, 2024 on behalf of the government of Cabo. And whereas the Republic of Cabo celebrated its 50th anniversary of independence on July 5th, 2025.

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And finally, whereas June 12th, 2026, Jose Maria Nevs, former uh or excuse me, president of the Republic of Cabo Verde visited the state house where Governor Healey hosted him for a ceremonial meeting in preparation for the Cabo

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Verde Blue Sharks historic participation in the FIFA World Cup. Now, therefore, the town of Falmouth select Board proclaims July 2026 as Cape Verdian month. Hidden witness thereof, we have here unto set our hand and cause the great seal of the town of Felmouth to be

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affixed on this 13th day of July, 2026. Signed, Heather HM Goldstone, chair Colin W. Reed, Vice Chair Douglas C. Brown, Robert P. Mascali, Elizabeth Klein. >> All right. And last, but certainly not least, uh we have a couple of Eagle

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Scouts, uh to recognize, uh Nate and Silas, uh twins who uh remarkably not only started their scouting journey together, uh in first grade, and then both crossed over, and for those not familiar with scouting, that's kind of like your elementary school graduation

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from Cub Scouts to Scouts BSA, crossed over to the same troop, troop 38, and then actually had chained the rank of Eagle on the same day this past February. Um I'm thrilled to have both of them here to to hear this proclamation. And uh Miss Klein, I think

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you're going to start us off with with Nate, right? >> Yes, I am. >> Whereas Nathan Gartner of Scouts BSA Troop 38 has successfully completed qualifications for the rank of Eagle Scout, a rigorous and demanding process that teaches patience, perseverance, and

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teamwork and requires strong goal setting. And whereas Nathan Gartner completed 80 nights of camping, nearly 40 miles of recorded hiking, and 58.5 hours of community service outside his Eagle Scout project. He earned 25 merit

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badges, served in a wide range of troop leadership positions, including assistant patrol leader, patrol leader for four different patrols, assistant senior patrol leader and scribe, and was elected to scouting's national honor society, the order of the arrow. And

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whereas for his Eagle Scout pro service project, Nathan Gartner worked with the Wquite Congregational Church to address the shortage of burial space at the historic Bay View Cemetery by researching, designing, and leading the construction of a scatter garden where

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families may scatter the cremated remains of loved ones. Nathan coordinated scouts, adult volunteers, community donors, a landscape designer, and Lawrence Lynch Corporation to excavate and level the site, install a permeable barrier, create a cobblestone

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border, and fill the garden with stone. And whereas Nathan Gartner met these challenges with a plum, and shall be recognized as an outstanding representative of his family, his troop, and his community. And whereas Scouting America, long acknowledged for building

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fine citizens, calls for special court of honor to award its highest symbol of achievement to those who complete this rank. And whereas Nathan Gartner is now an Eagle Scout with all its ranks, rank and privilege. Now therefore, we Heather

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MH Goldstone, Colin W. Reed, Douglas C. Brown, Robert P. Miss Galli and Elizabeth Klein as select board of the town of Falmouth do hereby and de and proclaim to sorry do hereby declare and proclaim Nathan Gartner as Eagle Scout

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in witness whereof we have here unto set our hand and caused the great seal of the town of Falmouth to be affixed on this 13th day of July 2026. Nate, would you mind uh coming up to the podium up here for just one moment?

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>> First of all, congratulations and terrific job. >> Thank you. >> I'm curious how you picked that project for your Eagle project. >> Um I met with um the minister at the Koy Bay Congregational Church and she had a

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idea that I thought was really cool and It would be I thought it was be cool to fix that problem with the full semmit showers. >> Good. >> What's your favorite part of scouting then? >> Uh camping.

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>> Awesome. Anyone else? Congratulations. >> And I have uh Silus Gardner's proclamation. Whereas Silas Gardner of Scouts BSA Troop 38 has successfully completed qualifications for the rank of Eagle Scout. A rigorous and demanding process that teaches patience,

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perseverance, and teamwork and requires strong goal setting. And whereas Silas Gartner completed 106 nights of camping, nearly 46 miles of recorded hiking, and 59 hours of community service outside his Eagle Scouts project, earned 26 merit badges, served Troop 38 as an

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assistant patrol leader, quartermaster, and senior patrol leader, was elected by his fellow scouts to scouting's national honor society, the Order of the Arrow, and qualified for bronze eagle palm. And whereas for his Eagle Scout service project, Silus Gartner led the

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construction and installation of two benches near the BB Woods trail entrance and led extensive improvements to the overflow parking area serving the Cape Symphony, Highfield Hall, the Falma Theater Guild, and BB Woods, organizing volunteers over several work sessions to

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remove substantial overgrowth, uncover parking blocks, install landscape fabric and wood chips, and improve the area's safety, appearance, and usability. And whereas Silas Gardner met these challenges with a plum and shall be recognized as an outstanding representative of his family, his troop,

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and his community. And whereas Scouting America, long acknowledged for building fine citizens, calls for special court of honor to award its highest symbol of achievement to those who complete this rank. And whereas Silas Gartner is now an Eagle Scout with all its rank and

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privilege. Now therefore, we Heather MH Goldstone, Colin W. Reed, Douglas C. Brown, Robert P. Mascali, and Elizabeth Klene as select board of the town of Felmouth do hereby declare and proclaim Silus Gardener as Eagle Scout. In witness whereof, we have here unto set

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our hand and caused the great seal of the town of Felmouth to be affixed this 13th day of July, 2026. Silus, would you like to come up to the podium for a moment? knows the questions. Anyway,

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>> anybody else want to quiz them? >> Well, I'll ask what she asked last night. What was your favorite part of scouting? >> Uh, my favorite part was scouting was definitely going to summer camp. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, great job what you did with this project. I appreciate it. >> Thank you.

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>> We all do. Thank you. Um, I promise not to quiz anybody, but I know we have folks from both uh the Cape Verdian uh Museum and from the Woodsole Film Festival here. Um, we're going to I think take care of the the details on the proclamations and we'll get those to you later. But if either of

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you would uh like to say a few words um in response to the proclamations. So, we appreciate u the honor from the from the town. I also would like to say that uh it has been very very exciting uh dealing with the kids. You did have

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one inaccuracy there. We saw 1,000 kids this year. So, um we have letters from the kids from the schools. So, we'd uh really uh like to see more people come by and uh take a look at the museum and see how much uh effort we put into it.

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Again, I want to thank you very much and appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um, we just like to thank you so much for issuing the proclamation. My name is Judy Ler. I'm the founder and director of the Woods Hole Film Festival. And for the past 35 years, we've grown from a

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one-day, one-hour event to an 8-day event with also year-round screenings. And we are place-based. We basically created this out of an idea. And over the 35 years, it's grown into something which draws people to Felmouth, to Woods

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Hole, from around the world. And we couldn't have done it without the support of the community. This is for the community and we hope that the community will show up July 25th through August 1st. It's coming right up. We've got lots of great films and thank you again for your support.

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>> Thank you. >> And with these Karen Al member of our board, I'm Karen Alit, member of the board of the Woods Hole Film Festival and it really is a great honor and thank you so much for pushing this through. It's it's always a great summer in Woods Hole around films and we do program

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throughout the year. So, I hope that you all be engaged and come down and take advantage of this incredible opportunity of filmmakers. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, moving on to recognitions. Any recognitions, Mr. Mscali? >> Madam Chair, thank you. Uh first off,

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I'd like to uh recognize Bob Ripley and the 250 committee for having coordinated a absolutely terrific uh celebration uh on July 1st over at Falmouth Heights uh beach uh with the dedication of the

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plaque uh recognizing the battle of Felmouth. Uh appreciate the efforts of the town manager, Peter McCanndy, Chief Lori, and making that all work out very well. thought it was a great ceremony. I think attended by about 70 or 80 people.

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Um, also like to recognize the heroic efforts of the sta lifeguards at Falmouth Beach uh over the July 4th weekend who were able to s successfully resuscitate uh a drowner uh a swimmer in in distress. So uh I don't think we have

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their names, but uh they all deserve uh credit and our appreciation. Thank you. they know who they are and it could be any of our lifeguards any weekend. So, thank them all for their service. >> Anyone else? I have one. Um, and I'm gonna resort to some notes over here,

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but um the uh I want to recognize the Cape Cod Baseball League. Um over the weekend, uh the Cape Cod, there were 16 former Cape Leaguers who were selected during the first round uh and competitive balance round A of the uh

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the Major League Draft. And it was, this is where I need my uh Raj Chilowski, if I've said his name right, uh was a former uh Orleans player, Cape League player um who was selected number one overall. So, um, just

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congratulations to, uh, Cape League baseball team. And, uh, that's actually why we're over here this evening is because there's a Cape League game going on, uh, on the field right now, um, making parking a little difficult over at the senior center. Um, announcements.

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Miss Klein, >> I'd like to announce um a family event that's happening this Sunday at East Fmouth Elementary from 1 to 5:00 pm. Um various community organizations have come together and they are hosting a Upper Cape World Cup watch party at the

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school. There will be a DJ, food trucks, of course, the game and kids will be able to play soccer. And it'll also be an opportunity for folks to actually tour the Cape Verde Museum and Cultural Center. Um, and so again, Sunday at the East Fmouth Elementary School from 1 to

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5, a nice family-friendly event and go ahead and check out the last game of the World Cup. >> Awesome. >> Uh, just uh I think pretty much everyone has has seen this notice, but there will be a meeting on the outfall project uh on Wednesday evening from 6:30 to 8:00

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p.m. And that's actually in the high school auditorium. So big project for the town. >> Yep. And uh Felmouth Art Center has Art Rages, the event u of the year for them. Their big fundraiser if you want to

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attend. It's 5 to 7. You can buy yourself some art. A local artist will be presenting their stuff. >> What day is that? >> Friday 5 to 7. >> Excellent. Mr. E, anything? >> I'm good. No. >> Okay. Um, I will announce uh also this

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Sunday, July 25th, um, or sorry, the following Sunday, uh, July 25th, 10:00 a.m., uh, there will be an electric vehicle fair put on by the Green Energy Consumers Alliance at Mullen Hall School. And, uh, we do have, I believe it's later this week. I didn't write it

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down. Um, on Wednesday, a, uh, training for all town committee chairs. Um, so if we have any committee chairs, I see one now. Um, hope to see you all there. There are no other announcements. We'll uh turn it over to Mr. Wrenchaw for the town manager report.

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair. I do have two uh two quick updates. Um first, I want to if you all recall, we uh launched a new employee recognition program this year called employee of the quarter. Um we about a month and a half ago awarded our first employee of the quarter. Ur this is Barbara Rimza um the front desk

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receptionist. Um I'm excited to announce and this is the important part um that uh a big part of that program is the kind of the visual recognition and I want to thank HR Susan Lumping the HR director for ordering the um the plaque uh which we're going to mount the little brass um uh plates with the name of each

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individual employee of the quarter. So that's going to be hopefully installed pretty soon. So I'm excited about that. Thank you Susan so much. And lastly sharing uh select board member Mscali sentiments. Um, I want to thank um all of our DPW beach and public safety team members um for the tremendous amount of

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work and effort over this past holiday weekend. Um, so I've managed in one other um beach coastal community uh in my career. Um, I am just blown away every day by the amount of commitment and dedication shown by these folks um each and every day, but especially over

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a weekend like the July 4th weekend where it is uh it's busy and it was busy for everybody. So, thank you DPW Beach uh police and fire rescue for the great job that you do for us. >> They were out there early cleaning it up, huh? >> And that's all I have.

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>> Okay. Excellent. All right. Uh public comment. Public comment may be made on routine matters not on the agenda this evening. Comments are limited to two minutes and please introduce yourself uh before you begin. Since the matter has not been included on the agenda, the select board may not participate in discussion of the topic. Is there anyone

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here for public comment? Yes, sir. Hi, my name is Joe Burnholtz. I live on Doveville Road in North Felmouth. Thank you to the chair and the board for the opportunity. I'd like to just take a moment to try to raise the board's awareness about a proposed development in North Felmouth for a bus depot. In

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January this year, there was an application submitted uh to redevelop 402 North Felmouth Highway to accommodate 17 buses and 27 passenger vehicles. For those not familiar with that area, that's uh where the old cheese shop was. There's also a couple restaurants nearby, including the Daily

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Brew. There's a significant amount of traffic um that moves through that area on a regular basis, both pedestrian, uh bicycles, and vehicular traffic that happens all day, every day throughout the season. It's not necessarily just the summertime. As a

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result, such a development would be a significant risk to public safety. We already know that there's accidents there on a regular uh occasion. uh moving those kind of vehicles which are giant 30,000 pound buses. They don't accelerate the same speed as the

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vehicles uh that travel through there. Um it's really just a recipe for disaster. Uh the community opposition um has been immediate as soon as this was announced. There's been a lot of activity locally. Uh there's been over 600 signatures gathered to oppose it. Uh

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we've been trying to work through the local appeal system um and we will continue to do so. Unfortunately, there's been some hiccups there which um have required delays in in basically our efforts as well as needing to appeal some of the decisions that have been

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made by the different committees and members of the town. Um more details I can provide to the select board. We as a community group have created a website and it includes um all of the background for this project as well as details

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about uh the activities moving forward and our efforts to oppose it. So, I just wanted to take this opportunity to make sure that everyone here is aware of that uh the collective opposition of the group of neighbors in North Felmouth. And if any of you have any questions or

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comments, I'd be happy to receive them or even after this meeting if you'd like to contact me do so. But thank you again. >> Thank you. >> Is there anyone else for public comment? >> You have one.

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>> Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Netto. Good evening, Joe. Uh, two weeks ago at the last selectman's meeting, excuse me, uh, one of Falma's veterans got up at this time to speak about the proposed

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cuts uh, to veteran services. Um, I'm not here to do that tonight. I'm here to take another twist, another angle. I would hope uh that the board of selectment, I think in August, you usually have your meeting on when you're

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going to uh raise different rates and fees. I'd like you to consider this proposal. Uh the town of Mashby does this. Um, so I imagine the legality of it obviously

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can be done and that's that they give their veterans in MASHB a free beach sticker and a shellfish permit. Um, I'd like you to put that into consideration. Um, and it would make your board look

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like the good guys instead of the bad guys. So, uh, thank you. Hope you consider that. >> Thank you. Is there anyone else for public comment? Yes, Mr. Kriska. >> Good evening, select board. I don't know if this is an appropriate time, but I

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just want to thank you uh the members who did participate. I'm Alex Krisker from the Steamship Authority. We held our hearing this past week on our schedule, and I want to appreciate um Bob and Doug for being part for participating in that hearing. I want to let you know that we are taking a fresh

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look at our schedule and trying to do right by the city and by Martha's Vineyard. uh we will be coming out with a report. I'm not going to guarantee that you're going to get everything you want, but again, we're taking a fresh look and I do appreciate your comments and all the public comments and we are again taking a serious look at that and

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I would like to come back at a later date and present the report once it's done. Probably won't be till August, but hopefully we'll have it then and we'll have something some changes to be able to pres present. So that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else for public comment?

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All right. If not, uh, moving on to item H. Consider a vote to affirm the appointment of the finance director, Mr. Enshaw. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. As uh the board may recall, the town conducted a very comprehensive recruitment process to identify the most highly qualified

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municipal finance executive with the most with the greatest demonstrated expertise and experience in strategic financial leadership, long range financial planning and forecasting, implementing financial best practices and leading continued modernization initiatives uh like the new massive

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software implementation that is underway currently. Madam Chair and Select Board, following a very competitive recruitment process that included 20 applicants, two rounds of interviews, reference checks, evaluation of the finalists, and a very comprehensive background check, the town I have recommended the appointment of

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Mr. John Arnett as the town's new finance director. John brings more than 10 years of progressively responsible municipal finance leadership experience, including service as finance director for the town of Denim, finance director, treasurer for the town of Coventry, Rhode Island, and most recently as

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assistant controller for state and local governments with Clifton Larson Allen, CLA, which he advises municipalities throughout the Commonwealth on financial management, accounting, forecasting, and operational matters. John holds a master of science in finance and economics, a

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master of public administration, a certificate in public financial management, a bachelor's of arts degree in economics. John also brings substantial experience, as I mentioned before, with municipal financial systems, including the Tyler Technologies Munis ERP platform that the

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town of Felmouth is currently implementing. We are very pleased to bring forward John for affirmation as town of Felmouth finance director. His extensive municipal finance financial leadership experience advanced education in finance and public administration demonstrated

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expertise in long-range financial planning, organizational leadership and operational excellence together with his collaborative management style and commitment to transparent, accountable, and sustainable financial governance make him exceptionally wellqualified to leave lead the town's finance department

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and build upon what's already a very strong tradition of fiscal stewardship with the town of Felmouth. As Mr. Mr. Arnett currently resides in Plainville. I am requesting that the select board wave the department head residency requirement for his appointment as authorized in article 5 section 4 of the

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charter. John intends to relocate to Felmouth contingent upon the board's approval of his appointment. And this is the really exciting part. Um if the board affirms John's appointment this evening, he is prepared to begin his employment as the town's new finance

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director next Monday, July 20th. So, Madam Chair, um I want to uh uh offer an opportunity for John to make to introduce himself if you want. I I am going to put you on the spot, John. As he walks up to the podium, I also left this out and I'd be remiss. Um John also brings a military military back

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background. He was honorably discharged from the Marine Corps in 2008, I believe, where he served as an infantry section leader um and was deployed overseas in the Middle East. Um, so I think that leadership background um in in the military is going to is going to um be a great asset to the town of

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Felmouth. So John, want to introduce yourself? >> Absolutely. Uh, great introduction there. Uh, my entire passion since I left uh to go to the military has been protecting people. And when I left the military, one of the best ways that I found to protect people is through their

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finances and being in public service. So uh, I couldn't wear the uniform. I didn't that was not what my trajectory was. I applaud everybody who can still do that. Uh I uh so that's where I find myself. I love protecting people through my through the through finances and

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public service. So here I am uh looking forward to this this looks like a great great place for me to be. So I'm here for you all. Um I am also a taxpayer so I understand how everybody here feels. We all pay taxes, but again, my job is

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to ensure that there's um transparency and logic behind everything that happens. And as Mike pointed out to uh making things efficient and effective uh in today's new technological uh age. So here I am.

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>> There questions? Yes, Mr. Reed. >> Well, first, thank you very much for your service. Um thanks for applying and thanks for going through the whole process. It's nice to have you here. Um, I'm sure you've been apprised of this, but we have some financial challenges in

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the next, you know, 5 to 10 years looking at operational budget deficits. Um, we started in April and have since had another financial meeting in June and we'll continue to have a few. So, my question is, um, so far we've just

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looked at tax overrides as a potential solution, but there are many other alternatives. Do you have experience with balancing budgets like this and or any experience with overrides? >> Uh, great question. Uh, so the situation

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that Thalmouth finds itself in is not u you're not by yourself. It's it's pervasive across Massachusetts. Many communities find themselves in the same operational deficits. Uh so I have experience coming through figuring out ways to make things more efficient and

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effective moving certain levers of um oversourced uh and overexpensed items and adjusting allocations assorting. There are other uh items that are are currently not used in in in Falmouth appears such as enterprise funds which

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will absolutely help balance budgets. Uh so that's something to look at. uh enterprise funds if for people that are unfamiliar with those are uh are very transparent uh trans uh and it's like operating like a business. So you can

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balance a budget moving levers but at the same time offer the public more transparency on operations. So that's one thing I'd love to look at. Uh the ERP system that Mike was talking about that will also help um sign shine some

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light on some other operational issues. I do have some experience as well with going for overrides. Uh there are capital overrides and there's general operating overrides to prop two and a half. So, uh all things to be considered. I know that I will hit the ground running uh next week and uh there

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are some items on the agenda tonight that I look forward to to hearing about. So, uh but everything is on the table. I'll be looking at it all. >> Great. Thank you. Good answer. >> Mr. >> I hope you like a challenge because as Mr. Reed said, we we have a challenging

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situation coming up. So, we look forward to your insights on ways to manage it because we're hoping to keep any tax increases to a minimum. We're also looking into the possibility of a um shifted tax uh rate where um second

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homeowners may pay more in order to more make it more palatable for the yearround people, especially those on fixed incomes. >> Okay. >> So, we'll see. >> Okay. Thanks for coming. Thank you very much. Thanks for your service. >> Mr. Mscali, Miss Klein, any questions?

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>> Questions, ma'am. >> Um, I'm I'm curious what about uh the role in Falmouth uh appeals to you? >> So, it was very in I I my wife and I have always talked about coming down to the Cape. We always have. Uh and so when

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this popped up, we had a long discussion of is this a right time? What would what does this look like? in. So, that was very intriguing to us. Um, and looking at the composition of your community and the fact that I've traveled here a few

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times over and already fell in love with this community, it it made me draw it drew my eye. So, and as uh Doug pointed out, I I thoroughly enjoy a challenge. I I enjoy the the a mental mind uh the mind crutch

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that when you go into work on the computer and you see something in front of you and you have to work I enjoy it. So there's a lot here that I'm looking forward to not only the wonderful community that is here but the work that it comes along and I've heard such great things about the the team as well. So

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everything drew me here. >> Great. So, I know you're also asking for a waiver to the uh residency requirement, which especially with one week. Um, I don't think it would be reasonable to to expect relocation. Um, that doesn't happen around here. Um, but

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your intent is in the long term to to relocate to Felmouth. I mean, this is a I know a relatively unusual uh stipulation in in Felmouth, but it is one that is important to a number of our community members. >> Uh, it is something that I would be looking at eventually coming down here. Uh the job as you can tell the the u the

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real estate market is a little tight around here. So uh it would have to make sense for myself and my wife. Uh she has the ability to uh find other locations as well. So it would just have to make sure make sense in the timeline but

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absolutely looking forward to to finding a permanent location around here. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. If there are no other questions, do we have a motion? >> We have two motions. Right. So, first motion motion to approve and affirm the appointment of uh John Arnett as the

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town's finance director. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? >> Seeing none, all those in favor? >> I >> I It is unanimous. >> Second motion. Motion to wave the department head residency requirement for Mr. Arnett.

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>> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? No. >> Seeing none, all those in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Welcome. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. We will see you next Monday. >> All right. Uh moving on to the consent

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agenda. Number one are a licenses. Number one, consider a vote to approve the application by Don Bowman Tali for a special one-day wine and malt beverages license for a celebration of life for Richard W. Bowman at West Falmouth

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Library, 575 West Falmouth Highway on July 25th, 2026 from 4 to 6:00 p.m. B. Administrative orders. Number one, consider a vote to approve the petition by NStar Electric Company, DBA Eversource Energy, and Verizon New

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England, Inc. for permission to install two new JO poles labeled 13135- A and 1312.5- A with anchor in the right of way of Hatchville Road in Falmouth. This work is necessary to provide electrical

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service uh to provide system improvements and increased reliability to Hatchville Road in Falmouth. Hold. I have a hold on number one. Number two, consider a vote to approve the petition by NSAR electric company DBA Eversource Energy to install approximately 17 feet

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of 1 to 3 inch conduit in the right of way of Davisville Road. This work is necessary to provide upgraded and improved service to 452 Davisville Road, Falmouth. >> Hold. Number three, consider a vote to approve the warrant for the 2026 state primary

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on Tuesday, September 1st, 2026. Number four, consider a vote to approve a request from Falmouth Cub Scouts for variance to sign code 184-32A- off- premise signs town property for the placement of four off- premises lawn signs.

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Five, consider the approval and acceptance of a Massachusetts Technology Collaborative connected and online grant for 30 Dell Latitude 3140 2in1 touch tablets to support the digital navigator program. And number six, consider a vote to

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accept a donation in the amount of $500 from David's Old Silver Swim, Inc. uh Care of Robert and Susan Catalano to the beach donations account 28-632-5655-4830 to fund the Dr. David Garber dare to be great award given to a lifeguard during

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the annual banquet. >> Motion to approve the consent agenda with the exceptions of items B1 and B2. Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Miss Klene, uh for item one, the uh two

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new JO polls on Hatchville Road. >> Yeah, I Well, they're they're both together. Um, I spent some time digging onto permit eyes to see what is Eversource permitted for in that location because I drove happened to drive by recently and

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there's a fair amount of material being staged in that site and that's not the first time that this has come up um to this board or in a public setting and I think that I wanted to hold the items um to take a moment to draw attention to the fact that Eversource is currently

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seeking an expansion of that facility. But I would say that there's some neighbors and community members who would argue that they are not currently holding their end of the bargain for the site as it is in this moment. Um, >> are you sure this is the same site?

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Because Hatchville Road, >> they're staging their materials at the site where they are uh exploring the tap expansion project, >> but that's Sam Turner Road. >> Yes. So, I'm just drawing attention to the fact that there I believe that they are staging a large amount of materials

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at that location that they are in and equipment that they're not permitted to have there. Um, based on what I can determine from the uh permit that they hold for that parcel in permanent eyes. Um, >> I don't know. I I asked to look into that also. And Mr. Reno, do you have

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something? >> I I do. Uh, Madam Chair and select board member Klein. So, yes, I did ask our community development director um and building commissioner to look into the uh storage of equipment on that lot. And it's my understanding and I can I can have them dig a little bit further, but

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based upon their review um in the zoning that they are allowed that's a permissible use. It's agricultural um and they're allowed to store that type of equipment and use it as a stage, but I'll have them take a deeper look into it. But the initial um review and determination was that um they're

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allowed they're permitted to do that. >> Okay. I appreciate that. follow. >> Are you saying you think that this work is still related to that even though it's a different road? >> Um I I'm not sure where else they're staging the materials. Um and it would make logical sense. I do not

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>> I I see what you're saying. So to do this work, they're staging the materials there. Yes, >> that's probably correct. >> And some abutters have have documented that that's not the first time that that's that this is happening as they're kind of gearing up for a project in town. Um,

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>> and I think, you know, we have a an instance where an organization is, um, making appeals to this board that they will be on good behavior for this future project. And I think it's

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important for us to call attention to the fact and to continue to push Eversource on their behavior um, for current operations. and and so I wanted to hold those items to have a moment for that discussion. >> Good. >> Is is that a request um perhaps for town

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management to reach out to um Renit and our contacts at Eversource and simply have a conversation about stewardship of that site. Um this is something that's come up in in multiple of the conversations that um

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that is an important staging site for Eversource. um seems that it's a permitted use of the site, but that doesn't mean that it's cart blanch to um to behave in any way on that. >> Yes, madam chair. I will reach out to Roique Goldstein and make sure that

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she's aware that there's concerns expressed by select board members and uh residents of the area. >> And another thing is that's in the water protection district and to have those big trucks which often have hydraulic leaks and other fluids emanating from them and then there's personal vehicles.

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I too drive by there a lot and uh you know every day workers bring their vehicles and park them and then take the big trucks that are parked there overnight. So it's really becoming like more of a commercial use than a not just temporary storage of materials. It's

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becoming a like a maintenance staging area facility type use. So it's really they're overdoing it. Are we are we going to hold this item then and get their attention?

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>> And it it really hurts us more than it helps us probably to to hold these >> and yeah that was and that was not my intention. >> Okay, >> Augusta Brown. >> Yeah, appreciate calling attention to that issue. It is an important one. Um so with that, do we have then uh a

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motion to approve those two items? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Uh any further discussion? All those in favor? >> I I >> Okay, we will move on to committee interviews. Um beginning with uh

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interview and consider a vote to appoint Amy Roth uh returning to the board of health. This is uh an interview that is required for reappointment to a regulatory board. >> Uh Mr. Renshaw. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. I see uh Amy is at the podium. Um, as the board knows,

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um, we currently have one position available with Zer ending June 30th of 2029. Um, incumbent Amy Roth, um, is applied for the position. It was also advertised in the enterprise back on May 22nd. Um, Miss Roth being an incumbent member has indicated she wishes to be

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reappointed to the, uh, Board of Health to a three-year term ending June 30th of 2029. >> I'll just say thank you for being here because I know the board of health is currently meeting right now. So forgoing one to be at the other. Um are there questions uh for Miss Roth?

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>> No, I've seen her work and I think she's good for the board and I'd be happy to make a motion to reappoint her. >> Excellent. And that is uh for a term ending. Do you have the >> June 30th, 2029 >> 2029. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor?

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>> I I >> It's unanimous. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Good luck. >> Um and directly back to the board of health. Okay. Um we have uh two uh people to interview for the cultural council uh Hannah Park and Ameliana

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Pachano. Uh and that will be for a non- voting membership position which we'll come back to in just a moment. Uh Mr. Rshaw, any opening comments? >> Just a just a couple. Um there are currently four vacancies on the cultural council. Um three with terms ending June 30th, 2028 and one with an unexpired

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term which ends on June 30th of 2027. As you all know, the mission of the council is to provide excellence, inclusion, education, and diversity in the arts, humanities, and interpretive sciences in order to foster a rich cultural uh life and contribute to the economic vitality of our community. And the cultural

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council here does a fantastic job in all in all those regards. >> Excellent. So, our uh first candidate is Hannah Park. Hannah's here. would you uh like to introduce yourself and if there's anything that was not in your application that you'd like to to share with the board about your desire to be

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part of the cultural council? >> Um my name is Hana Park and I'm 16 years old and I'm currently going into my junior year at FBA Academy. I'm also a dancer at Turning Point. Um and I've danced since I was maybe four years old.

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I um play the saxophone and I was in the Felmouth High School jazz band my freshman year and I carried that into Felmouth Academy where I continue to play in their rock band. Um and I think I just really want to be part of the Felmouth Cultural Council to give

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perspective of um the younger people in Felmouth and hopefully make the cultural events of Felmouth more accessible um and appealing and interesting and fun to just all people of all ages. Excellent. Thank you.

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Questions? >> Do you want to try it out for a year or do you want to go for the three-year term? >> Um, I mean, I'm graduating in 2028, so maybe not three years. Um, for one year for now and then, um, see what I think when I'm heading into my senior year.

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>> Okay, good idea. >> Okay. Um, do we want to uh do one at a time since there are four vacancies? >> Sure. >> Right. Do I have a motion to appoint Hannah Park for a one-year term? So moved. >> Do you intend? >> So moved.

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>> I'll second that. >> Okay. >> And that's a term ending June 30th, 2027. >> All right. Uh all those in favor? >> I I >> congratulations and thank you. Um our next candidate is Ameliano Pachano and

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this is for a uh non voting member position. uh that is on uh the guidance of town council based on the fact that uh Miss Pachano is not a resident of Falmouth, although she attends Falmouth public schools. Um and uh Alice, I thought maybe you could speak just

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briefly to what being a non- voting member, what that participation would look like and and how meaningful that would be for the council. >> Well, first of all, I think they speak for themselves. It's incredibly important to have students on as many committees as you can have. Emil Emliana

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has come to several of our meetings. She has participated fully. The cultural council is not like the Supreme Court. We don't usually have like 54 or 63 kind of votes. We operate by consensus and

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everybody's voice is will be heard. Um, Emiliana will be um a productive member of the council and maybe if you don't vote on approving the minutes, that's about the only thing that we would vote on, but um we really appreciate not only

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our students but the diversity within our student group. >> Thank you so much. Emiana, would you like to share a little bit about yourself and why you want to be on the cultural council? Um, my name is Simila Pacano and I'm 16 years old and I'm currently going to be a junior in Fulmouth High School as first said um I

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moved here from Colombia in 2023 but I'm actually from Venezuela. I've been all I mean not all around the world but I've been always like moving u to countries. I was born in Venezuela and then I had

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to migrate my country because of obvious reasons and I moved to Paraguay and then I moved to Colombia and finally I ended my track here in the United States and I've always had a really good connection with my culture. I always went attached with that like especially in in history

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classes. I've always like loved learning like um how the revolutionary war like in um southern Americans countries happened and how many countries had um great involvement in that revolution like I always loved hearing like like learning new languages and like I loved

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when there was like a new student that was from another country. And finally when I moved here I had a bigger challenge to face which was learning another language that I I didn't practice at all because of course I had English classes but I've never had to

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speak and like that was like survive with that certain language. Um and I'm pretty sure this wasn't my application. Of course, I'm not a Felmouth town resident, but I feel that my voice as an outsider and as a a student in the

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Felmouth uh public schools, I feel that my opinion could like a poor like more of like a not a resident view, but more of like an overview of like the town and how great and how much it would be to uh how important it would be to have a

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great uh culture in the town and to have more involvement especially with um younger students. students and younger voices. >> I I certainly want to make clear that um simply because of residency, you are a student of Felmouth High School and um very much a member of this community and

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we very much appreciate um your desire to contribute to the Falmouth community in this way. Are there any questions? Yes, Miss Klein. >> Not a question, but I just want to say how proud I am, Ameiliana, to see you. I was Ameiliana's eighth grade science teacher the first year that she landed

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here and it's been so awesome to see you grow as a person and you know you and Hana both to have you here tonight to volunteer in this way for this community is a thing that makes the adults in the room think okay the future is going to

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be all right and so thank you so much both of you for your time and a million especially very good to see how much you've grown over these years >> uh housekeeping ing item. So, um what we have remaining are vacancies for three-year terms. Could we though um

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given your graduation date is also two years from now, could we appoint for a shorter term? >> Well, there is one June 30, 2027. >> Oh, there >> that was the one vacancy that's already been taken. >> That was the one one year that we just can we appoint for a shorter term than the the full three years.

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Uh, no. You have to appoint for the full term, but then knowing that you can accept a resignation. >> She can resign um earlier than that if if need be. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Great. Do we have a motion? So, um I move Hold on, I have to read

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it. I have a motion to appoint Amelana Pachano to the cultural council for a three-year term ending June 30th, 2028. >> Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Hi. Hi. >> Hi. >> Thank you both very very much.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay. So, these next four, consider a vote to reappoint uh committee members uh non-regulatory and uncontested seats. It's just uh not quite as straightforward because we need to have a a rotating cast of of folks um recuse

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themselves. So, uh the first position is to uh reappoint uh Mr. Mscali uh as a representative to the Cape Cod Regional Transit Authority. >> So moved. Second. >> Okay. Uh all those in favor?

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>> I >> abstain. >> Thank you. Uh second is to reappoint Mr. Reid to the economic development. What's the I? >> EDI industrial. >> Industrial. Okay. EDIC. We'll just say that.

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>> I make a motion to appoint Mr. Reed to the EDIC position. Second. >> Okay. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> abstain. >> Thank you. Okay. And then these last two, can can we take these together

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since nobody needs to abstain? They were all lumped together in the last agenda and we just had to separate them out because of those abstensions. Okay. Um, so the next one would be to um appoint uh Peter McCanny uh reappoint Peter McCanny to the Upper Cape Cod Regional

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Transfer Station and uh reappoint Lieutenant Colonel Elizabeth Sweeney to the Veterans Council uh Committee Falmouth Lodge of Elks 2 380. >> So moved. >> Second. Uh motion and a second. All those in

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favor? >> I >> I >> Okay. Congratulations, Mr. McConny. There there. Congratulations and thank you. Um, okay. Uh, we will now move on to our

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public hearings. Um, before we dive into those two, I do have one announcement. Uh, there was a hearing that was noticed um and published in the Falmouth Enterprise to consider an application from Ticket Cafe located at 734 Ticket Highway for an entertainment license.

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Um, unfortunately the hearing while noticed was not included in the select board agenda. So that hearing is being readvertised for July 27th and will take place at our next meeting. Um, also before we move into the next uh

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two hearings or the continued hearings, um, I just uh want to make a a statement personally and then we'll turn it over to Miss Klein to to do likewise. Um I was not at our last meeting uh due to long presscheduled uh work travel. I

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have however uh watched the recording of that meeting and uh read all of the packet materials and feel that I am uh able to fully participate in these hearings. And I was unable to attend the last select board meeting due to some uh

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family matters that required my attention. Um, but like Chair Goldstone, I watched the recording, received the materials, and feel prepared to discuss this item. Excellent. Thank you. Okay. Um, these are continuations, so I do not

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believe we need to uh read the notice. You are off the hook, Mr. Reid. Um, and we will begin with the continuation of a public hearing in accordance with Mass General Laws chapter 138, section 64 to determine if there are violations of the all alcoholic beverages restaurant

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license issued to Felmouth Pier 37 Boat House LLC DBA uh Pier 37 Boat House located at 88 Scranton Avenue, Felmouth, Massachusetts. Um, I just want to uh as as was done

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very aly uh last time by Mr. Reid, uh run through how we're going to approach these with with one variation from last time. So, um uh we will have town council provide a very brief overview. Um we will then have uh the police department uh available for select board

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members to ask questions. Um we can then ask the lens e to come forward and provide any response uh to that testimony. Um but the l may not cross-examine the police officers or town coun council only provide information to the select board. Um once

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the l e presents their case the select board may provide the police department with an opportunity to respond or give additional information. Um public comment is not required in these hearings because the select board is acting in a quasi judicial role. And once all testimony is received and the select board is ready, we will vote to

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close the hearing. Um and then after that uh can discuss and make findings. Um I am going to ask since this is a continuation of these hearings um that questions and presentations address any new uh information or information that would significantly advance what was

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presented last time. Not that we rehash um everything. So uh great. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, I do have um some uh a a new presentation and um we heard a lot of information from the

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police department at the last hearing. And what I'd like to do is reframe the information that you have in um against uh the the legal framework. And I do have some um some information for you

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that I'm going to hand out. Oops, I almost tripped. I'm fine. So, what I'm giving to you. >> Do you want me to hand it out? >> Thank you. >> Here. I can get it out by the time.

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Yes. >> Yes. I'm just going to provide copies that I just gave you to um the attorney for the raw bar before um those are going to pertain to the second part of the hearing. We'll go over the

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the um boat house framework first, but I just want to make sure that the attorney for the raw bar has what I gave you. >> Thank you. Okay. So, um, one of the things that I've handed you is, um, a document called proof of case for underage

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drinking. Um, and also proof of case for service of alco al alcohol to an intoxicated person. And what this is is um, it's what, um, the evidence has to show you in

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order to find um, a violation. So, uh, if you are to find a violation of underage drinking pursuant to MGL chapter 138 section 34, you would need to find based on the evidence that's

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been provided to you by a substantial amount of the evidence that first um, the law enforcement has established that an individual is underage and second that that individual possessed or consumed alcohol. Those are the two

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elements. Proof of the violation can be shown either by direct observation by law enforcement, witnessing a person holding, drinking, or ordering an alcoholic beverage. And proof that the person is underage um can be shown

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usually by uh either possessing no identification or falsified identification. And um it can also be shown by an admission by someone who says that they are in fact underage. Um law enforcement

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to prove a case for underage drinking drinking does not need to witness the service of alcohol to the underage patron just needs to see the possession or the actual drinking. Um, as to the second violation, um, the proof of case

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for service of an alcohol to an intoxicated person under MGL chapter 138 section 69. If you're to find a violation of service of alcohol to an intoxicated person, the select board must find again by substantial evidence

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presented to you that a server or a bartender has observed someone who is visibly intoxicated or reasonably knew or should have known that that person was intoxicated and then went ahead and proceeded to serve an

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alcoholic beverage to that person. Proof of the violation can be made um proof of the violation, the intoxication portion of the violation can be made by accounts from patrons or staff or video

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surveillance about the person's slurred speech or unstudied balance or unruly behavior. Um, as far as proof of service of alcohol, that can be done either by statements uh of staff that service of

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alcohol was made or by observation of law enforcement or um by receipts showing the number of drinks that the patron consumed. Um, so it is with that framework that I did want to

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um ask Detective Maguire to just answer a couple of questions. >> So, I'm sorry. So, we're doing the the boat house um the the second part of the boat house hearing first. So, um I would like to just ask uh Detective Maguire a

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couple things. Um, Detective McGuire, are you aware of any incident at the boat house involving underage drinking? >> I am. >> What would you tell us about the incident that you're thinking about? >> So, on uh June 5th, detectives and

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patrol officers from the Fallon Police Department conducted a joint operation with members of the ABCC, that's the Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission, um to address um alcohol compliance issues. Um, shortly after arriving

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there, uh, we walked inside. I personally observed a party that appeared underage to me, um, consuming an alcoholic beverage and, um, asked one of the ABCC members to interact with him and determine if his ID was, um, false.

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They engaged with him, took his ID and confirmed that the ID was in fact a false ID. He was not of age. um and he was uh escorted off of the property. >> So, how is it that you know that that person was underage?

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>> So, his identification was I believe that one was used with a scanner um that the ABCC members had to determine it was a a fake ID um and then it was confirmed through our offices gathering his information and running it through a computer system that could verify who he

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was. >> Did you happen to witness the underage person with an alcoholic beverage? I did. I was the one who saw him, thought he was underage just by his youthful appearance and asked the ABCC to to check him. >> Okay. I don't have any other questions

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for um Detective Maguire and I would simply ask that if the police department has anything else they'd like to add about the boat boat house hearing that they they do so. >> Okay. >> I don't have anything further. >> Okay. Uh while we have uh police department representatives here, do we

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have other questions from the select board? So, are we only focusing on this one incident other than all of the other incidents that were presented to us at the last meeting? >> So, there's there are two things before you really. They're the they're the

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statutory violations which require this proof of case, which is why I framed it for you this way. Um, but you can also uh and you would need to find a violation in order to issue the more serious discipline. Um but the overall

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issues that I think you've heard for both the boat house and the raw bar show um an inherent problem with over intoxication and disorderly conduct and um issues with not being able to uh

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control crowds between the two establishments. And that was apparent and obvious from the last hearing. um those aren't necessarily tied to statutory violations, but they

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can still be found to be violations of the license because when you issue a license to sell alcohol, it's premised on the public good. And part of the public good is ensuring public safety. And if a lency cannot ensure public

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safety, then you have the authority to place conditions on that license. conditions to it to um protect the public safety and in furtherance of creating a safe environment not just for

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the people who are there as patrons to enjoy a couple of drinks and listen to the music and meet with each other but also for the safety of the officers who spend a lot of time on Fridays and sat Saturday nights trying to control the crowds. Um, we spoke a little bit about

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what that might look like, what the conditions placed on a license might be, and the select board has done that on numerous occasions in the past. It's not necessary to find a violation of the statute, but simply a violation of of

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the trust that comes with the license for to find modifications. So, examples are reporting requirements. Um, and I think you'll you'll hear from the chief and the other police officers here tonight about um a meeting that they've

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already had with both managers from both establishments about things like in increased security or more detailed security plans. Um, shoring up the fences in the in the back of both

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establishments where perhaps underage um drinkers were sneaking in or getting around um having to stand in a line. Um security cameras, having having video surveillance be recorded in case there is an incident so that the police have

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evidence and and can help um find criminal violations. These are all things that you can require or demand as a condition placed upon the license. And it's up to you um the five of you to

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work together to figure out um what the plan what the plan is. What is the plan to make this a safer environment? What is the plan to allow the business to operate um in a safe manner? Uh so there

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there are the statutory violations that I've tried to outline here tonight and then also um consideration of the public good and what kind of conditions can you simply place on the license to make it safe. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome.

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>> Um so I think certainly at the the last meeting um and in our packets we have um plenty of documentation of the public safety and public good issues um that we're seeing. I just want to be really clear with this. This is for the boat

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house for violations either underage or uh serving intoxicated individuals. Uh and there were a number of incidents that um provided evidence of intoxicated and in some cases underage individuals in the vicinity of the boat house, but

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this is the one uh violation for which we have full documentation to to meet the the standard of of statutory violation. Is that correct? >> Thank you. Are there other questions from the board? Miss Klein? >> Well, I had sent a a question via email. I just was wondering it states in the um

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documentation that if the um penalties that we can or the decisions that we make depend on their behavior in the past four years if there have been previous violations. And I believe Mr. Renshaw, you were going to um check into that if this was the first

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offense in the past four years or if this is um if there have been other offenses. So, yes, it's my understanding and and the police department can can confirm this that um there have been no other documented incidents that I'm aware of. Um you know, there's calls to both establishments, but I don't think

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there's any documented violations um prior to the Memorial Day weekend in in the June incident that Detective Maguire is referring to. >> Okay. >> May I ask? >> Yes, of course. Just detective, uh, the past weekend, July 4th, was pretty busy time, certainly down at the boat house

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and Pier 37 and and the Roarbar. Did you just did you observe any kind of difference uh uh in the way the establishments were dealing with their customers at that time? >> So, we did have a couple of issues that

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occurred on the 3, the night before we were out. Um, but things seemed to improve from that point on. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Are there any other questions from the select board for the police department at this time? >> Uh, I don't have a question, but I I

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found interesting. I saw something on social media, a young lady who was posting the fact and she had a page that was something about Cape Cod nightife. And she says, "Well, my friend and I have realized that we've aged out at the raw bar and the boat house." She

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mentioned both. She said, "We just turned 24, so we got to find a new place because we're too old for the boat house and the raw bar." And I feel like that's something that is like part of the the situation here that we need to to work

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on is the fact that the target for the crowd is is too young. And I think that maybe if you did something boring like family movie night with a dinner or, you know, maybe there's a new operating method that needs to be considered

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because that was just a crazy video to see this this girl saying she's aged out at 24. >> While uh that may speak to to overall culture, I think we want to constrain ourselves right now to um what might contribute to a finding of fact and violation. So I appreciate that.

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>> I see that we've found the one definite. So, um I would like to thank you um Detective Magcguire. I would like to invite uh representative of uh the LE um to respond uh to uh to this

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information. >> Yes. Uh I actually Conor Mclofflin P37 boat house. I have a few pictures here of things we've done to implement before the last hearing. >> Thank you. Yeah. Thanks.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thanks. So, the uh the implement the implementation of the enhanced safety and security protocols have been executed over the past few weeks and will continue to be monitored and enforced in the coming months and into the future. We were grateful to be able

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to meet with the chief and his team to share what changes have been implemented and to strengthen our communication measures and ensure their approval of our actions and newly implemented procedures. We have added eight new cameras to our camera system, bringing the total number of cameras to 62 on property.

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All these cameras have data storage measures to ensure proper compliance and safety uh safety is maintained. The system is most likely the largest of any restaurant or entertainment venue in Felmouth. We have added additional signage to ensure patrons are aware of the severity

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of false identification and the illegality of open containers and vehicles, including Ubers. We will continue to monitor and turn away any customers we see consuming outside beverages on premises. We have stopped selling shots past 11:30 p.m. and have begun offering deals on

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food at night to entice people to enjoy a bite to eat before exiting the facility. We have purchased three additional state-of-the-art ID scanners for $5,171, bringing the total ID scanner count to five, ensuring every bar as well as the

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entrance have their own individual ID scanners and have instructed bartenders to use these scanners for a second scan uh if they have any reservations about service of a patron even if they have a wristband on. The boat house is committed to creating a safe and family-friendly environment.

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We will continue to work effectively with the community as well as the police and we're truly appreciative of the privilege to serve the community we all love and blessed to be part of. Okay. >> Thank you. Are there questions from the board? >> Uh I'm interested to hear the

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perspective of the the police department on the meeting the subsequent meeting if there is one. So, Friday, um, Vice Chair Reed requested that we meet before, um, this hearing meeting, and I I'll say they

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went a lot better than I anticipated. Um, I give him a 10 and 1 to 10. Um, I'd also like to add he purchased, I believe, three light stansions for outside to better light the facility. And um the other thing that I really like to hear from both of them is they

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developed a group chat where now they're going to advise each other when someone's kicked out of a bar not to let them in another. And then we've also suggested uh some of the undesirable people to no trespass them. So you take out that bad element uh from coming because you're right, it's a very young

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group and uh you really got to watch them. The other thing we asked um when it's possible is to have employees watch the cameras um to try to develop and uncover people that are, you know, on the intoxicated side. And I really felt

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that um it was a really positive positive meeting moving forward. And and that's the goal. My my opening at the last hearing was, you know, we don't want to hurt our businesses at the police department. We want to work with you because our mission is to ensure the safety of our residents and of our

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visitors and that's our number one goal and at that meeting I think the entire team um Lieutenant Simino um you know Detective Maguire I and Captain Reed was there we all felt that went a lot better than we anticipated. Um I saw it was a

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mutual collaboration with their security team uh the addition of all the cameras and things. So I I was very pleased. Um, and I think I think you're going to see a decrease. I know we did last weekend on some of the issues that we're having. And I'll let the next hearing I'll let them talk about, you know, what they're

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what they're doing and then if you miss something, I'll I'll jump in if you'd like me to again. But if for just a spirit of time, they meetings went extremely extremely well. I thought they were productive. We all left positive. They brought their team. I brought my

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team and we sat down and we really collaborated and I feel good about it. Good. Thank you. >> Thank you, Chief. Yes, Mr. Reid. >> I don't know if this question is for the chief or the business owner or for town management, so I'll ask it all together, but um you brought up the costs of

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overtime. Um and I'm wondering um if that is something that can be passed on so it's not on the town's bill. Um or better yet, are we able to are we are um businesses able to hire police detail?

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Is that out of policy or not? >> So, I'll I'll explain how I we it was under Chief Costalito. Um they felt it was an ethics violation, the officers working the barrooms, the liability to the town if someone did leave that was intoxicated. So, we haven't worked

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barroom details long before my time here. I don't know if there is a way to charge a business for incurring over, you know, overtime costs. I mean, it's it's it's upon us to ensure public safety and we've just been holding shifts over just to make sure and and I'm hoping now with some of some of the

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increased lighting and the different things and I'll let the other business owner explain what they're doing. Uh I think it's going to hopefully we'll have less of a a involvement there at night, you know, to ensure um we don't have any issues. >> Okay. Yes, Miss Klein.

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>> I have a question for Mr. McLaclin. Um, I appreciate that that you're you've stopped selling shots after a certain point in the night. Um, I think that's a really excellent decision. Did you consider at all um I imagine that you know water is available always to

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patrons. Um, >> would you is that somewhere where it's freely available where someone can you know I've been in places where it's it's they don't have to ask the bartender to get a glass of water, right? It's maybe something that's on the side um where they can fill up or making other

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non-alcoholic beverages available. >> Not to cut you off, I apologize, but um we typically during road race is a time that we have watering stations, call them. Um and we'd be happy to set those up on weekend events as well. Obviously, anyone can walk up to the bar and get a non alcoholic beverage at any time. And

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we don't charge for sodas or waters or things like that at night. Um and we don't charge for waters ever. That's tap water. But but you know, we wouldn't even charge one for a soda at the in the evening. >> Yeah. >> Direct the question to to town council and maybe you can uh chime in, Mr.

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McGlaclin, but uh I have heard that um some towns or a town in particular uh had directed that uh that only one drink be served to one to a customer as opposed to allowing a customer to

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purchase two two drinks or more. Uh, is that something that this board could direct and um would you be amanable to something like that? >> Um, to to cut down obviously on, you know, excessive drinking, underage, you

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know, what have you? >> I I understand where you're coming from. I I do think um it's it's an interesting proposition. I'm not saying that we would do whatever we can to operate, but um I do think you run into an issue with my brother's in a wheelchair. So, if I

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can't go to the bar and get him a drink and bring it back to his table, that's like not necessarily fair to him. But I could see that it also creates an opportunity where someone could take two drinks and walk away and either consume two or hand someone to someone who is underage or something, you know what I mean?

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>> Or intoxicated. >> And and it's and it's a it's a it's a state law. It's not like entirely. I I don't know of a town that that has a one drink per person obligation. Even all the way to the stadiums, it's it's a two drink. So, um but

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>> the town I heard was Cambridge, but I I never checked it myself. But >> uh I think that that would be a perfectly acceptable um modification or condition on the license provided there can be ADA um uh

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>> reasonable accommodations >> to be made and that would have to be worked out but um I don't see any reason why um the ABCC would take issue with that kind of of condition on the license. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Are there other questions um for

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the lency or the police department on the issue of the boat house or are we ready to close the hearing and proceed to select board discussion and I believe we can of course still consult with town council as we go through that discussion. Um >> um I guess not. I haven't really had a

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chance to really look at these things. So >> I believe the two documents uh that we were handed are both with relation to the raw bar which will be our next hearing and that will be for so what we need to do at this point is determine whether we are ready to close the hearing and discuss uh findings of fact

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>> do we have public comment now or nobody >> um public comment is not required. Do we have uh anyone here for uh comment on this hearing? >> Don't see anyone. I'll move to close this hearing. >> Motion to close. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Second. Thank you, Mr. Reid. All those

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in favor? >> I. >> I. Okay. >> So, uh, in this phase of things, what we need to do is make a determination um, uh, finding of facts, whether we think there has been a violation and lay out very clearly what facts we think justify

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that finding. Um and I believe as part of the finding of fact also um if there are mitigating or aggravating factors along with that that might contribute to um any decisions about uh sanctions uh of the lency or conditions on the

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license as a result of a violation. >> Well um I for one find detective Maguire's evidence credible with respect to uh the proof of uh underage drinking. Uh so I think that u we've we've met that standard of proof by substantial

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evidence. I haven't heard anything contrary from from anyone on on the applicant side. Uh but when we start talking about uh you know sanctions or penalties um I think that um we we

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should take very seriously the efforts that have been made uh by the boat house to uh to make things better. Uh and certainly their willingness to sit down with Chief Lori and his staff to um to try and you know work out a solution

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that works for the town and works and allows them to continue their business. I think we need to take that into consideration in setting any type of uh penalty. >> Thank you. >> I I would agree with that. I think that clearly we have the evidence before us

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that there was an incident with the underage drinking. So I think that's given. >> Thank you. Anyone else want to I I mean it seems um what I'm hearing is is uh a finding of of fact violation for underage service based on the cred

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credible testimony of detective magguire and no opposing testimony from the lency. Is that >> the consensus of the board? I would also say that what we heard um was significant um mitigating factors in terms of the actions that have been

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taken by the LE since uh the first hearing um substantiated both by documentation provided by the Lency and the testimony um of Chief Lori regarding a very productive meeting uh between the two.

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So, can can council recite for us uh the different types of u sanctions or that that we can impose at this point short of revocation? >> Sure. Um you could suspend the license.

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Well, um I think it's helpful to look at the policy. >> I say I have the policy in front of me first. Uh well I guess fact finding a fact needs to be that this is a first offense uh within the look back period >> four years >> of four years. So for first offense

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minimum sanction uh written warning with a clear indication that any further violations will be penalized in accordance with the guidelines provided for a second offense. Maximum sanction up to a six-day suspension of license andor a fine of up to $1,000. Uh for sales to a minor where there are no

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aggravating circumstances. The board of selectment in the exercise of its discretion may offer firsttime violators the option to purchase and install age verification apparatus in exchange for penalty reduction. Um goes on um in the event the ly agrees to

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this option the l must install the license swiping machine within 30 days of issuance of the sanction and submit monthly reports for three months. >> So um the maximum fine was >> $1,000 or up to a six-day suspension of license. Okay. >> Well,

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>> so we could impose a fine of some amount uh as as a penalty. >> Yes. >> In addition to a warning or >> Well, I would note that the U license holder had already mentioned that they

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already bought two new machines at $5,000. So, >> I think that's a significant investment and probably worthy of just giving them warning. >> Mr. Reed, you had uh I think been contacted by someone who provides

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training and and I thought it was um an interesting idea. Obviously, there is uh mandatory minimum training uh for bar staff, but um perhaps additional training as one of the challenging circumstances that was was brought up uh

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in the the first hearing um was that despite best efforts, right, if you've got one person to go to the bar and one person at the table, you don't always have the same people having eyes on folks. And that's more with regard to perhaps um intoxication than underage. But if all employees um had some more

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advanced training for recognizing both underage and um uh intoxication, uh that might be uh a a condition or a step that that the board could consider as well because training is I'm not sure where

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it's in here, but um requiring training I did see is one of the um the options. I think a few of these modifications that um town council uh provided to us, reporting requirements, a detailed security plan, um security cameras, um

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Mr. Mscali brought up drink maximums. I think we have agreement that we have met the minimum. I think um the question is whether the written warning or suspension andor fine is necessary. I think we're determining that a written

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warning is definitely um a piece to this. Um for me, I would say additional training and we can forward that information on um but I would also uh entice um this group to think about I was

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originally thinking additional reporting requirements, but I think actually um quarterly meetings uh potentially with the police department. I I understand it's an administrative burden to do more, but it's clear that the first meeting yielded positive results almost

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immediately. Um, we do have a a responsibility of of public safety and public good. Adding a few more of these um modifications may continue to help. So, that's where I stand. >> Yes, Miss Klein.

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>> Um, I agree with Mr. to read suggestions for the requirements or stipulations to be added on. Um, town council, would that still then that minimum warning um or minimum sanction we could still

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hold a written warning and then the second offense, right? That would still be or sorry, if if there was another further offense, um, we would be moving to that second offense category. Correct. >> That's correct. >> Yep. Okay. And the minimum there is a

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three-day suspension of license. Y >> I think the finding alone is a a pretty serious move because of that the consequences of a second offense. >> I I should say that the policy does very clearly um state that this board has a

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great deal of discretion when issuing any kind of penalty and that that cuts both ways. So, while this while I I advise you to stay close to what's here, there's there's room there's room for

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you to to act outside of the written word. >> Um, I'm curious how the board feels about the idea of imposing uh only one drink sold to an individual.

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um since it's my idea, but um you know I I just wanted to hear what the applicant had to say and what council had to say. Um I think it might be a little premature at this point to to make that a requirement, but something that we should certainly consider, you know,

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monitoring and uh and thinking about imposing it, you know, if there are future problems. So that's how I feel about that. >> I would agree because it's the middle of summer. or it's hard to make an adjustment like that right now.

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>> Yep. Miss Klein, >> I would disagree. Um I think that that seems like a reasonable measure to put into place. Um, I mean, I think we have a larger cultural problem at both uh both of these establishments and and I

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think I worry too about the number of individuals who are leaving the establishment potentially not >> someone someone who looks underage and making sure that there is more of that collaboration and I feel like we heard from the LE with having the larger

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number of scanners so that everybody can can do scans like maybe moving in that direction and with the training and some additional reporting um to try to to move in that direction. >> Uh council, does does our finding u have any bearing on any further action from

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the ABCC board with respect to this license? um if they have a a separate um set of claims that they'll make them independently um where uh we've provided overall

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testimony here for the board of of a problem of general um public safety. Um, it's unlikely that the ABCC would take that up, but they did have ABC investigators in town doing a sting, and each of those investigators likely saw

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their own violations that the police department does not have firsthand direct knowledge of. So, it's possible that the ABCC would have their own case to bring before the commission. >> Thank you. I I understand Mr. Brown's

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point about them buying additional uh swiping machines for $5,000. Uh but I'd ask my my colleagues on the board if anyone thinks a fine of some amount, not $1,000, but of some amount would be uh would be warranted and have that discussion.

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I will say quite frankly that I think $1,000 is a pretty minimal fine for establishments um the amount of money that that they're taking in and given that the other option is up to six days suspension which would certainly cost a

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lot more than $1,000. Um I would think a fine in any amount up to that maximum is not token but >> I was I was thinking $500 in my mind. >> Okay. How how are others on the board feeling

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about a fine of of $500? >> Well, if he hadn't already gone out about the machines and done all these other measures, I would be agreeing with that. But I feel like there should be some credit for that. >> Okay, >> Madam Chair. Yes. >> Um, do we want to ask for receipts for

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the purchase of those machines just so that we have that as not just a word of mouth but evidence? Uh ah >> he apparently has a receipt here. I was gonna say if we have to go to a third a

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third night. I'm not sure. Um yes. >> Yes. If we're able to do that outside of the hearing, >> you know, they're they're buying the machines is helping their business. Uh >> mind if I pass this down? >> So >> uh receipt, >> but it's right here. It's one of the >> No, I understand. I understand. But they

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already had this >> ID imager >> $5,171.97 purchases for multiple ident identity scanners. >> Thank you. >> Do you think they're more efficient and effective than the other ones you have? >> Thank you, Mr. Mscal and Miss Klein. >> See that?

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>> I'm sure. Thank you. >> Yeah, >> Madam Chair, if I could also make a suggestion. So, I also had an opportunity to talk to the chief this morning and I applauded him and his team meeting with the establishment's management. You know, one of the things that the chief mentioned, I think town council brought it up as well, is that um I think it's the boat house is

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prepared to do some structural fencing improvements um to the side of the building, you know, having a condition placed tonight that would require within x number of days, right? Just putting a a date certain that that those improvements have to be done, have the chief, his expertise, you know, crime

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prevention through environmental design, whatever that's have somebody from PD go out and take a look at that and verify that it's been done to the chief's satisfaction. I'd like to see that. I recommend that that be a condition. There's physical improvements. There was also some mention and I don't know if it's realistic. Um it certainly would be

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less costly I think than than a suspension having somebody having a management team member of the establishment monitoring uh the video. I understand the boat host has done a great job and invested heavily in camera systems, but having um somebody monitor those uh th those cameras um to see to

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to watch for uh any incidents um proactively I think would be a positive and and I'd suggest that perhaps being a condition. That is something that we discussed at our last meeting and I think it warrants um consideration. And um you know the

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drink maximum um having been to many a Boston sports event, they have a two drink maximum. I think that is um probably more fair than a single one. Um, and that will inevitably cut things down because if you have a two drink

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maximum, you're not buying shots for a whole lot of people before 11:30. Do appreciate and applaud the efforts of thereabouts. So, I would uh modify uh the drink maximum to two. Um, and I do think the additional training, the

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quarterly meetings, the, uh, site improvements um, with PD involvement would be a great one, as well as, um, uh, the point that Mr. Renshaw makes about the monitoring the camera. It's one thing to have the cameras. Having somebody on shift

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monitoring, you know, eye in the sky. There's a reason why we have Eye in the Sky and we have the drone program, right? So the PD can see really far above, but these ones, you know, local closed circuit. Um, so I'd be fine with that in lie of um, for the time being

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any financial. I think $500 is more symbolic than anything. Um, and it appears, if I'm reading this room, we're not inclined for a suspension. So based on the merit of what they have provided proactively, the meeting plus these

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stipulations, I would be in favor of moving this forward. So a written warning with those four additional qualifications. >> May I just add um the two drink service maximum is the law. So there you can't go above two. >> Oh,

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>> yep. So >> good to know. >> Okay. So in um Oh, sorry, Mr. >> No, I was going to I'd still hold out for a $500 fine. I, you know, may be symbolic, but I think it is a a small token of uh, you know, the applicant

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repaying the town of Felmouth for the extra work that it has to go through in order to police that area. And I'm sure the applicant wouldn't mind spending $500 for that. Hopefully >> uh one thing I might suggest is rather

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than this board um placing all the stipulations on physical improvements and security plan is that instead we require a full um security and improvement plan to be submitted and uh uh approved by the chief within 14 days. Right? That documents what has been done

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to date in terms of changes and what is planned in the timeline for those changes in terms of physical security improvements and and operational changes. Um would the the board be amendable to that? >> Sounds good. >> Sounds like a plan. Chief, is that doable for you?

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>> Okay. Um so we have two tasks I I think before us. Uh we need to make a finding of fact and vote that. Um, so, uh, and as as I stated earlier, I believe, um, what the the select board, and I don't know exactly how the wording

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should go, but the select board of the town of Falmouth finds a violation of underage drinking at, uh, Pier 37 boat house based on the credible testimony of uh, Detective Maguire and no opposing testimony from the Lency. Is that

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sufficient on council? Okay. >> And I guess that needs a motion and a second. Motion >> second. >> Okay. Any further discussion by the board? Hearing none. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> Okay. Um, understanding that this is a

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first offense uh with significant uh mitigating factors uh with supporting evidence of mitigating measures being uh receipts that we have viewed of the purchase of additional um

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uh ID scanners. uh testimony from the lency of additional uh cameras and additional measures that have been put in place and the testimony of Chief Lori uh to the purchase of three light stansions uh a group chat to share uh

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problematic individuals and also a very productive meeting um I believe we've come to consensus uh of imposing a fine of $500 uh mandatory training advanced training for all staff regarding recognition of

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underage age and intoxicated uh patrons. Uh a full improvement and security report to be submitted to the chief within 14 days and quarterly meetings with Felmouth Police Department. Uh is that for a year? Is that indefinitely?

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What's the >> I think it's a great idea to just keep it going. >> Is that sustainable? >> I say why don't we try it? I worry about fairness with other instablishments in town. Um trying for a year,

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one year of quarterly meetings. Um >> okay. >> And camera and monitors. >> Uh they installing additional cameras. >> No, having someone monitor >> and so would that be part of the the security and improvements plan?

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>> That would be part of the security. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, okay. So, do we have a motion for a a written warning plus $500 fine, mandatory training for all staff, a comprehensive security and improvements

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plan to be submitted within 14 days, and quarterly meetings for the next year. >> So, moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Any further discussion? >> I'm opposed to the fine, but that's part of the motion, so I guess I'll live with it.

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>> Okay. All those in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. >> Okay, we will move on to our second hearing uh which is for Robbar uh town council. Yes. Thank you, Madam

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Chair. So, um I have provided you with the overview. Um it is the same uh the overview of the proof of case for intoxicated persons as well as underage drinking. And

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um I have also provided you with um additional statements from staff at the RABR for an incident on May 29th, 2026, as well as a um receipt that was

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provided as part of the investigation. and um that was received by the police department for um a certain amount of alcoholic beverages that were served to the suspect um that is the subject of the

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May 29th incident. And with that um I have asked um Detective Maguire to come forward uh to ask him a couple of questions. >> Um good evening again. Are you aware of an incident at the raw

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bar involving underage drinking? Any incident at the raw bar? >> I am. >> And could you please provide some brief facts about um the incident that you're thinking about? >> Yes, this um incident was also on June 5th. Um first we had gone to the boat

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house with the ABCC as I said before in the prior hearing. Uh subsequent to that we went over to the raw bar. Um, while there some officers and detectives observed a mail party exiting the front door of the establishment. He appeared to be intoxicated. I believe he bumped

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into an ATM machine. Eventually made his way to a picnic table where he sat down. Um, some of our officers and detectives uh engaged with him, confirmed their suspicions that he was intoxicated, heavily heavily intoxicated. Um he was ultimately placed into protective

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custody, determined he was underage and transported to the police station. >> And um what were the facts that uh made you know that the person was underage? >> Um we had two things. He he provided an ID which showed that he was 20 and by

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his own statement. >> Okay. And um did you witness this underage person with drinking alcohol or with an alcoholic beverage in front of him? >> I did not. To my to my knowledge, nobody from our department witnessed him holding the beverage. >> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Any beverage? >> Um I'm going to move to the intoxicated person uh um allegation. >> One thing absolutely. So, as part of his intoxication level, um when he was placed in protective custody per his

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protective custody rights, um he refused to take a um portable breath test, but on the pro the following morning when he was trying to be released from the police station, um he agreed to take one and at that time he took um the test, he

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scored a 0.158, which is almost twice the legal limit. That was at approximately 7:00 a.m. the next morning. >> So, in your um experience and skill and knowledge, um what does that tell you about whether or not he had been

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drinking the night before? >> So, it it indicates that he was heavily intoxicated the night before. Um and he had did he did tell us that he had per his own admission um had three beers at the raw bar. So he admitted to being

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underage and drinking at the raw bar himself. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um so as to the um allegation of an intoxicated person, are you aware of any incident at the robar involving service of alcohol to an intoxicated person?

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>> Yes. And based upon the proof of case um as it's been explained here, can you please provide brief facts about the incident with the person um uh with uh having been served alcohol as

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an intoxicated person on um May 29th, 2026. >> Yes. So, um, members of the police department, um, responded to a 911 call for a fight involving a firearm.

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Excuse me. Our officers responded, um, when they arrived on scene, the party had already fled the scene. They learned while on scene that that individual who was involved um had been flirting, engaging with some weight staff and host

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staff u to the point where it made them uncomfortable. As part of that interaction, uh security staff got involved, asked him to leave. He refused to leave at which time a struggle ensued. they were able to kind

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of force him outside and I think they pushed him to the ground um as he was getting up and trying to flee from the area. Um it was reported that he brandished a firearm. >> So um he you just let us know that he was flirting with staff to the point of

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being uncomfortable for them. Was was there any indication from any of the reports that he was unsteady on his feet or that he was being unruly or any other in indications of being intoxicated? >> So it we we had some indication that he

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was intoxicated I believe from staff there. Um I can also say as part of followup with this investigation, myself and Detective Flareity conducted an interview with him a little bit later in the night. Um during that time he smelled the odor of alcohol coming from

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his breath. Um he had some slurred speech when he was talking to us a little more pronounced in the beginning of the interview than in the end. Um and he also had bloodshot eyes indications that he had been intoxicated. >> In your skill and expertise um is it

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reasonable that the staff should have known that he was intoxicated by the way he was behaving? I >> mean I believe so. I I think they like us interact with people who are intoxicated on a more regular basis than other people. I believe there were probably some signs there that maybe

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they had picked up on. I do know he consumed alcohol in the bar that night um and maybe should have been cut off before that point. >> And how do you know that he consumed alcohol in the bar that night? >> Uh there was a receipt. Uh a friend of his um had purchased some alcohol

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beverages for him. I believe two of the bartenders confirmed that he had three cause lights. Uh per his own admission. Initially he stated he had six drinks, three at the raw bar um and had some at a prior establishment. >> So his by his own admission he had been

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drinking prior to arriving at the raw bar and then had an additional three drinks there. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um, were there any other factors that um, uh, you wanted to provide that would help the select board uh, know more about this violation?

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>> Uh, I I think that's the gist. I will say that a friend of his um, met with him after he had left that establishment and turned him into the police station where he was arrested and charged. >> Thank you. >> Okay.

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Okay. Uh before you step down, Detective McGuire, are there questions from the select board? >> Yes, Miss Klein. >> So, just to clarify, the reports that he brandished a firearm are coming from the Robbar staff, but that was not found or

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discovered on his person. Is that correct? >> Correct. We um did locate his vehicle. We seized the vehicle. It was transported to the police station per toe company and we conducted a search warrant on the vehicle um the following morning. We did not locate the firearm.

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There was a new piece of evidence that recently came up. I don't know if I'm at liberty to share it or not, >> so I won't got the stare there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Let's not I don't know about it.

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So, let's let's move along. Was there any surveillance video um that you were able to uh acquire from the >> So there was no surveillance video from the raw bar. Um I know going forward that is sounds like it's going to be

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changing. Um we did however obtain some video from the boat house. During the investigation we learned that he had gone from the raw bar to the boat house and that just corroborated the statement that was given to us that he went from one the raw bar to the boat house. We

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did have video that confirmed that. >> Any other questions from the board? >> If not, I will ask the lency or representative of the lency to come forward. Okay. >> Thank you, uh, Madam Chair. Good evening, uh, members of the board. My name is Rob Mills. I'm an attorney from

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Hyannis and I represent the Rob. Here with me is uh Mike Richardi who's been the manager uh for 11 years. And I will heed your warning and not uh repeat anything that's been uh related at previous hearings, but this is his first time before this board since he's been a

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manager for 11 years. Uh Madam Chair, may I approach to these were security measures that we provided to the board at the last hearing, but I don't think you and uh Selectman Klein were here. So >> yes, please. Thank you. >> I have these. Thank you. And um

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>> thank you. >> And just just briefly, not to repeat. Thank you. Perhaps I've seen them. Um here's a floor plan. I think it's through chair chief his staff as well. Those measures have already been employed and there's a list of other uh

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mitigation that has already been initiated after uh the May 29th hearing. Uh so additional lighting has also that was a concern because uh the police had to provide their own lighting at some points uh you know spotlights at the

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intersection of uh Scranton Nav there and um so lighting has been uh attached to the building. I do have some photos of that as well. Um some of the photos will show the front of the building which is pretty well lit

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up. If you could perhaps share them that would be go halfway down. That's right. >> Pass them down maybe. >> Thank you. >> And then uh the canopy is a large I think it's I think it's a maple tree. It's either maple or an oak where the canopy was low low and so it was

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difficult to see. >> Attorney Mills, can you go to the microphone? Thank you. >> I'm not sure it's working. Uh the uh the branches were lowlying so it was difficult to see the front of the building and that was a concern of the police officers and also quite frankly a concern of uh of the manager. So the

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canopy has been raised. So now you can clearly see the entire front of the building and I have some some photographs uh that as well circulate throughout. >> Can you just uh excuse me clarify while we're looking at these photos the lighting that has been added is uh are

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these spotlights? >> We added two flood lights. >> Two flood lights. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh and finally, so uh one of the concerns was when when uh police were at the scene on May 29th, uh request, I think Detective Magguire requested

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video. Well, the video was just live video. It does it didn't record that. Uh that has now been uh substituted with a video. There's eight cameras in there. They have a capacity of about 250 people. So eight cameras is is more than sufficient for that location.

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uh but the equipment that he has now records and saves. So that will be available uh going forward as part of a mitigation uh measure. Um so the additional lighting, the video uh retention equipment uh the the tree

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canopy has been been lifted. Uh um he has if you see the the plan which at the last hearing was presented there's uh security posted at various locations where there has been intrusion. Uh the intrusion uh most

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particularly was uh on the uh common property line between um the raw bar and pier 37. Uh I'll just repeat it just for the two that weren't here before, but bells have actually been put on the on the fence so that if any and there's a person out there actually that's

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stationed out there. So, uh, because the fence is fairly long, uh, so that somebody would be alerted if somebody's trying to climb over that fence and, uh, that's where the intrusion, uh, occurs illegally where people enter the building without anybody, uh, being aware of it. Uh, that can no longer

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happen at this point in time. So um you heard from the chief um uh about the meetings which I I was not there but I understand that they were very productive and so we would uh we agree with what the how the chief characterized those those meetings. Um

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and uh with respect to the the event involving the the gentleman, he was a guy that all indications would be that he was probably a local worker. He showed up uh at the bar somewhere around 7 o'clock. I think the time when he was

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served is on the receipt wearing a fluorescent safety vest. So all indications were well but this is a guy that's just come, you know, he might be uh directing traffic or there's some paving going on or he's doing some sort of construction work and he just came in to sort of unwind at the end of the day

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and he was there for about an hour and a half and uh all indications were that he was served three beers over approximately an hour and a half or maybe more. U there was no indication and and I'll let you hear from Mike once I finish uh of any outward appearance of

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uh intoxication. There was a little bit toward the end of the evening there developed some sort of what I would characterize as um uh being gregarious perhaps and uh approaching some of the female staff. And that's what really alerted uh management that you know this

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guy whether he's had too much to drink or not has to go. >> And they initiated him leaving the bar. It was it wasn't the police coming or arriving. They they notified the police, I believe. >> Yes. uh concerning this gentleman and that's kind of when everything broke loose.

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>> Yeah. >> So, uh uh he says he had three beers. There's three beers on the There's actually more beers than that on the receipt. There's I think five Blue Moons apparently. He wasn't drinking Blue Moon, but there's but there's three quarters lights on there and maybe some French fries, but uh and he did indicate

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apparently to one of the officers that he was at the uh and I'm not going to mention the name. It's in the report. uh that he was someplace else earlier that day because the police officer had noticed him. Um and I question just by reading the reports whether he not has

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maybe some other issues other than um uh intoxication because of the behavior that he was displaying earlier that day at another establishment in Felmouth. >> So I'll I'll leave that to you to to query and decide, you know, on that issue. Um but so we've put in the m

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mitigation plan. We're we're glad to to to work with the department going forward. I heard some of your suggestions from the uh previous hearing which I think which I think are good. Um, and uh, uh, with regard to the underage person, uh, uh, I'll let you

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hear directly from Mike because again, I wasn't there, but there was an individual uh, that was tossed out and as far as we know, he was not served at the raw bar that came in over the fence and as he it was alerted to them and he came over the fence, he was removed and

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he was underage, but not served uh, at the at the raw bar. So, Mike, I'll you know, you were there. I'll turn it over to you. Yeah. Hi, how are you? >> Good. >> Good. Any questions for me about either incident?

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>> I guess if you could provide some of those additional details. Uh particularly >> I believe the guy that was allegedly brandishing the gun had psychological issues. That's that that's what I believe. I I I didn't think he's he seemed uh very right in the head. But

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with with people like that, you don't want to, I don't know, create more of a problem than it should be. We we just kind of hopefully just ignore them for a little bit and then they get bored and they leave. Um, but that wasn't the case with this guy. I believe he was bad news

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and uh I believe that it's on record as well. >> Can you comment on the the individual that was the underage? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, the guy the kid jumped over the fence. Uh my barbacks were in the in the back, you know, cooling down the beer. They

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noticed the kid jump over and they escorted him right out >> and then I believe the officers saw him and they went over to him. That's that's what I believe what happened with the underage kid. >> Okay. Are there questions from the board

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for the LE? >> Well, yes. know if my question is so far I I don't have we got conclusive evidence here of either of these incidents being the responsibility of the the bar.

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>> I think that's what we're trying to determine, >> right? I mean it was very clear on the first one. >> Um >> hi. Um I have a question. So, you've you've it sounds like you've made some significant physical improvements. Um, I

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think that the lighting in particular is really uh a great addition because I think that's going to save the Fouthouth Police Department a fair amount of effort um to bring lighting to the space. >> Correct. >> What have you have you implemented any measures for your staff? Um, so things that wouldn't be the physical structure

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of the building. >> Actually, yes. I mean, we we have we added additional security and that's in my before and after. Mhm. >> uh booklet that I that I provided. So that was important. And we also I always

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say communication is king. So it was really important to me, you know, after these issues that we've had to talk to the staff and to you know, if you see something, say something kind of thing. And so now everybody's on board with that. And you know, communication is king, especially when it comes to this.

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I mean, this is very serious stuff and I take it very seriously. Okay. >> Are there other questions for the LE? >> So, the um the underage uh incident was that June 5th, if you don't mind, detective.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Yes, that one was on June 5th and the other one was on May 29th. And according to what I have here, it says party informs officer, he was drinking at another unidentifi unidentified establishment prior to RAW bar states he consumed three drinks

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while at the raw bar. Is that the same person we're talking about? >> Is that the >> Oh, that's the May 29th and >> May 29th disorder. >> No, it's no June 5th. Here I'm just reading from >> Oh, they both actually they both consume three drinks. Uh so on the first one on

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June 5th that individual the underage party told us that he had three drinks while at the robot. >> Oh okay. >> Which and so how does that comport with m with what Mr. Rashardi just said. That's >> he doesn't think that that happened. >> Okay. That I'm just trying to clarify. I

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mean I just want to make sure we're talking about the same incident. Yes. And apparently we are right. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Okay. >> So that is pretty conclusive. >> Yes. Seems to be. >> Thank you. Okay. >> But I may I make a comment, Madam Chair?

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>> Are you responding to that? Yes. >> Uh I just responding to a comment that I heard. But that it so it's conclusive. If if you believe the underage drinker um that says he consumed three beers at the raw bar, then it would be

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conclusive. But it's very difficult to assess that individual's credibility. >> Right. >> Thank you. Are there other questions uh for either the police department or the lency

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or are we in a position to close the hearing and move to deliberation? >> I I I find it, you know, rather odd that someone would admit that having three beers to a police officer and he didn't. I mean, I don't quite follow your your

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point, Mr. Princy. >> Oh, my Well, he blew a 0.1 um >> 185 in the morning. >> 185. So, he better come up with some sort of a a reason why he has alcohol in his system. And >> well, >> you know, he could have could have had

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he could have had it anywhere, especially if he was underage. >> I I Okay, but I mean, he informed a police officer that he drank had three beers at that establishment. Yes, I think that's pretty conclusive myself.

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Although I will admit uh I will question the other incident which I think I am going where Mr. Brown was going that it does not appear to be any direct uh evidence that I can see about the intoxicated person. Uh the underage.

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Yes. I'm not so sure about the other one. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. uh chief, if you would like to uh also speak to uh any meetings that you've had since and the productivity of those. >> Two things I'll mention. One, I'm not in the habit of helping, but uh he bought a

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new ID scanner as well, but just so you know, um it was told to you folks that this young man was escorted by staff out of the property. This individual came out on his own. So, it may be a different person that they're talking about that we were involved with. Am I

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correct when I say that? I impressed you to see him escorted out. >> Yeah, Detective Brand, >> Detective Brand is was our SRO. He that's how he knew how this individual was 20 years old. I think the first time he saw him, he was walking out the front door and he said, "Hey, I know that kid.

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He's not 21." So, that's how we came to know that he was in fact underage as he was walking out the door. >> And Detective Brand said he was walking out by himself. >> But >> it could be somebody different. >> There were two incidents. >> There were definitely two incidents.

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And both of them are probably from the lack of security in the on the back where they jumped. That that was the one. And then the other one was probably along the side of the fence where we added the belts. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'm just extra security person. Sorry.

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>> Do you have a question? >> I just want to make sure I understand. So, you're saying that officer Brandt reported that this individual is leaving the the the um interior of the establishment, and is it possible I I haven't been to the robber. I apologize.

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Uh is is it possible to jump the fence in the back and make your way into the inside? >> Absolutely. That's why we had to, you know, patch it up back there. >> That was in the be, you know, it was earlier in the season, but now we have a great team. >> Okay. And that's what we met with the

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chief about as well. So, we're all on the same page and I feel very confident now moving forward that we're all communicating again. >> Okay. Chief, did you want to speak to any meetings and conversations that you've you've had uh with Rob, our staff? >> So, yeah, it was very positive. You'll

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see what they supplied to you is a five-page security packet that he put together. So, um that's done. Uh you don't need to stipulate that in 14 days. Um it's excellent, by the way. Thank you. Um it was a very very positive

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meeting. Uh even today we interacted at Blended Berry uh and had a very positive conversation about security today. Uh so I I see a a good working relationship. Hopefully moving forward we're going to work with them. They're working with us and uh and and I have to applaud them

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for setting up the group chat because now they'll be able to say, "Hey, listen. We just had a gun incident. This is what the guy's wearing in case he shows up at your place like what happened." So I think just that alone is a huge enhancement. Having the security cameras recording uh is huge and you

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know cutting the brush back the thing adding lighting in there so Sergeant Oliver doesn't have to you know bring the light truck there you know at night. U Sergeant Oliver was also working with the other establishment to locate those two other lighting stations uh for security. So I think it's great both

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businesses working with us um and it's been very productive. Okay. >> Okay. All right. >> Anything additional for either uh police department or the lency or are we ready to close the hearing? >> Think we're ready.

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>> Motion to close the hearing. >> Motion to close the hearing. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> I. >> Okay. Uh so findings of fact. Uh these two allegations are not as cut and dry as the last one. Um why don't we tackle

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them one at a time? So the first one is the uh allegation of underage drinking. Uh we have the testimony of uh detergent detective Maguire. I just tried to turn Detective and Maguire into detergent

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somehow. um uh the testimony of Detective Maguire um and uh the reports that we had in our packet um that involves uh self- testimony uh by

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the underage uh individual. I guess there are two parts to this. Um do we have sufficient facts that the person was in fact underage? And do we have sufficient facts um that that person was served at the raw bar? Um in terms of

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the person's age um how are we how are we feeling? >> I think there's credible evidence that he did not have proper identification where he identified as at 20 years old. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Right. I mean that's what I'm remembering. Right. So so he was

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obviously underage. I think we have credible evidence to that effect. So the question is then was he served at RABar and we have no direct observation by uh police department and uh

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conflicting testimony of the individual and the lency. Um, >> again, I'll say the same thing I said. If someone admits that they drank uh, you know, three beers at his at that establishment, I and convey that to a

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police officer who's reported that, I I would credit that testimony myself >> and town council, the a self-reporting individual could meet these criteria. Correct. I believe that that would

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satisfy the test. It It's usually seen from a different perspective of a law enforcement witnessing the event taking place, but if someone admits to it, you have to accept that at face value.

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>> If I'm reading the the document you provided for us for proof of case, it says substantial evidence. It does not require direct observation. that >> it doesn't require direct observation of um that that a bartender served the

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alcohol. That is not required. What is required is that um the person consumed or possessed alcohol. And what I'm saying is that if it's self-reported, then that that can amount to a substantial evidence.

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>> Okay. Um, so what is the the feeling of the board? Do we feel that we have sufficient evidence, substantial evidence, and credible evidence for a finding of fact of uh a violation on underage drinking? >> I feel that we do.

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>> Yes. >> I I believe I do. >> Yep. >> Yes, >> I do. So, the FAA select board uh finds a violation of underage drinking uh based on the testimony of Detective Maguire

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and uh police reports to the uh effect that identification and statements of the individual established his age as being 20 and uh he testified to having consumed three beers at the raw bar. Is that >> correct?

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>> Do we have a motion? So move >> and a second. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I I >> Okay. So we have uh one finding of fact and one violation. The second is um an allegation of uh service of alcohol to

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an intoxicated person. This is the 529 uh violation. I'll say to me it's it's all a little squishy. Uh we have a receipt, but not every drink on that receipt uh it's a receipt that came from another person. Not every drink on that receipt went to

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that person, even allegedly. Um I would be open to others who who feel that we have make your case if you feel that we have substantial evidence here of of service to a clearly intoxicated person. >> I don't see it. It's

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>> a little more difficult. I agree. >> Agree. >> We have reports that are at 9:38 and we have a receipt at 7:26. I >> believe the receipt is cashed out at 9:13. >> So the service time at the top is 7:26

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and at the bottom it says charged 9:13 p.m. which does match the testimony that he was in the establishment for about an hour and a half. Um I I think it would be difficult for us to say that an

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adult male consuming three cores light over an hour and a half period is I don't know if that meets the grounds um laid out here. So, the the standard we're trying to meet is whether uh the server or bartender

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served someone who was visibly intoxicated, >> knew or should have known. >> Knew or should have known that they were intoxicated. >> And I I will just point to one other piece of evidence that I haven't heard being discussed yet, and it is in the packet of um staff reports. And the

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second staff report states that blank, who is the subject, was very intoxicated, harassing staff. >> Um, I just want to make sure that you that I drew your attention to that. >> Uh, can I ask council if

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uh does a finding of this violation count as a second violation and escalate the minimum and maximum or is this essentially one finding of violation for a single hearing? >> Right. For progressive discipline laid out like this, you have to treat um uh

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the the violations that are brought to you at the same time as the first violation >> as a single violation. Okay. Thank you. I'm not hearing from the board that there's a strong sense that we have substantial evidence for a second finding. Is that an accurate read?

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>> That is accurate for me. >> Accurate for me. >> Okay. So uh do we need to uh formally essentially vote no finding on that allegation or having >> um the finding could be that that you uh

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you don't find any credible evidence to support the allegation? >> Okay. So then >> or insufficient credible, >> right? Is is there a motion that uh the select board finds insufficient credible evidence for a violation of service of

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alcohol to an intoxicated person? So moved. >> So moved. >> Yeah, I think I think that's >> Is that a second, Mr. Brown? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh, we have a motion and a second for a finding of insufficient evidence. Uh, is there any further discussion? >> All those in favor?

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>> I I >> I Okay. So, we have a finding of one violation. Uh, again, this is a first violation. We've been over what the minimum and maximum penalties are. Um I guess we need to address uh findings

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with regard to any mitigating or aggravate a aggravating factors. Um yes, Mr. Mscal. >> Well, I certainly think we've heard u evidence from uh from the applicant and from Chief Lori of mitigating uh

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circumstances uh their their plan, their security plan uh and uh some other things that they've done there. So, I think they're definitely mitigating circumstances that would warrant uh just a a warning letter. Um, but I would

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recommend a fine as well in the amount of $500. I would concur with the written warning. The fine for $500 with the additional stipulations that we put in the previous uh hearing which include additional uh training uh quarterly meetings for one

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year with the police department, additional um site and security improvements after review with the police department in 14 days. So I think we heard from the chief that he did not feel that >> that was necessary >> an additional plan

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>> that he's he's uh happy with the plan that we've we've been shown here. >> Um but I would agree with that adding the training component for >> the training and the quarterly meetings >> and the quarterly meetings.

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>> Okay. Uh do we need to uh make a finding of mitigating factors formally? >> Uh no the I can incorporate these into the decision >> before we proceed. One question we we do

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put in additional training. Is it at our discretion or of the vendor's discretion? We didn't identify that in the previous one, but in the email that we received or that I received was uh specifically hands-on fake ID training

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as well as deescalation, drink safety, uh crowd control, and active threat response. Do we need to be that specific or is it whatever they find as additional training? Um, well, I'm not familiar with the training program, but what you've just

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outlined seems to me in line with the concerns that you've all raised. >> Okay. >> Um, I would um I would recommend that perhaps you place you you specifically state that the training address those

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issues and any other issues um that the trainer sees fed. >> Okay. Roger that. Thank you. >> I'm not going to be able to come up with all those words on my own. Are you >> Liz? Um uh so we have I think a

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consensus of a written warning, a $500 fine, the additional training addressing those points in quarterly meetings. Would you like to make that motion? >> Yes. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Do you have Do you need that that language of what it addresses? >> It's all on video.

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>> Okay. Excellent. So move. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Any further discussion amongst the board? >> Hearing none. All those in favor? >> I. >> I. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh thank you all for your time and your

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patience with those hearings. Uh we will move on to our business agenda. Uh, first item, the select board as trustees of the Falmouth affordable housing fund discuss and consider a vote to approve an application for funding from Falmouth Housing Corporation and affirmative investments for the housing project

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located at 545 Main Street. And I will uh make an apology to uh Miss Clark and Miss Fish that I really had hoped that we would be able to be at this item roughly 45 minutes ago, but um thank you for your patience.

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H >> the cap lock is on. >> Is it? >> It's still on. >> Thank you. >> Caps lock is locked on. It's not working. Half >> is blocked.

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>> I thought I took it off. Okay. Mhm. It's always when you're under pressure. >> Thank you, sir. >> And Miss Fish, I believe we allocated 15 minutes for presentation.

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>> Okay. Um, for the record, I am Kim Fish, the housing coordinator for the town of Fmouth. And before you tonight, you have um we have found Housing Corporation and affirmative investments uh requesting funding for $2.6 million

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for the acquisition of 545 Main Street. Um just very quickly, um the Fmouth Affordable Housing Fund Working Group met on April 29th and gave a positive recommendation to the town manager. by memo. Uh the town manager

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gave the CPC a positive recommendation for funding on June 9th and the CPC gave a positive recommendation um by memo um well at by vote on uh at their meeting June 11th and um they um Fmouth Housing

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Corporation went before the affordable housing committee on June 9th who also gave a positive recommendation in the overall project and um Fmouth Housing Corporation and Affirmative Investments

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is here tonight to give their presentation >> and Linda Linda Clark will start it off. >> Thank you for having us this evening. Um this is Virginia Coffee. She is from Affirmative Investments and Tara Nisari

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who is our partner um in all of our tax credit large buildings. >> Oh, don't tell me I forgot my glasses. No. Okay, the first slide uh before you is um purchase and sale for the property

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was signed in April of 2006. We're proposing 50 rental units for seniors age 60 and plus. um one-bedroom units. There'll be eight 30% at um 30% AMI and 42 at 60 AMI. The

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rents right now for that um including utilities is $1,461. We do not charge last month or security on any of our units. Next, we have a preliminary site plan. Um the building that we are proposing we

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are going to um construct on the same footprint. We plan to demo the building and construct the building on the same footprint. Next we have um an elevation at the uh Westerly elevation which is also the parking lot side. It is um cement

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shingle style siding, metal panel bay windows, gray roof coping profile, fabricated stone, fiberglass windows, triple glazed, aluminum frame, storefront glazing at lobby and amenity areas, and I would like panel and slat

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application. Uh you can see the different um textures on the exterior of the building. Uh floor plan for uh floor one. Uh there's the one bedrooms. Each floor has a laundry room, a trash room. There's going to be a management office on site

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that is for um a resident services person. She'll be there 5 days a week to handle any needs residents have such as transportation, any kind of social security needs, um, anything that a senior may need help with. We're also going to have a mail

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room, fitness room, a lounge, a community room. Second floor, again, trash and laundry, and they're all one-bedroom units. And we move on to the fourth floor. It's a four-story building. There is a trash

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room, laundry room, amenity deck, new construction building. The existing building is not viable due to substantial physical and financial constraints contaminated with asbestous, mold, and lead paint. Inefficient layout limits unique count required for

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financial feasibility. The building has had um a history of flooding on the ground floor. New proposed building sits on the same footprint, parking lot footprint, generous setback from the road with lawn and patio out in front. New building

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amenities include community room, library, lounge, fitness room, roof deck, and outdoor patio for cookouts and other gatherings. Building is designed to passive house standards and will be solar ready. Uh and we have our funding request of

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$2.6 million for acquisition represents 8% of the total capital stack. Felmouth Housing Corporation um is supplying the $500,000 in cash to purchase a property at $3.1 million.

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$1.9 million will be a request for construction at a later date. Total request from the found affordable housing fund between the acquisition and the construction um is 44.5 million

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which is $90,000 a unit which is a lot less than the typical that um the affordable housing trust provides for 100% affordable units. Development standards found with local

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comprehensive plan goals. Policy one allow for greater infill residential density where appropriate. We're providing 50 units on a total of 1.5665 acres. Policy two, encourage and allow the market to create multiple housing

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opportunities that follow for more choices. We've got one-bedroom rental units to provide more accessible and affordable options for the seniors in Felmouth. Policy three, accept re responsibility for providing housing for people at all

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stages of life and all levels of income. We're providing income tiers from 30 to 60%. 10% of rentals will be ADA accessible. All units will be visitable. Housing production plan goals produce at 80 produce at least 80 units of

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affordable housing annually. The project adds 50 units to the SHI inventory, 63% of Felmouth's annual goal. Promote a diversity of housing types, targeting different household needs. The rental units help seniors

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downsize to age in place friendly units and opens up their previous homes for families. Prioritize creation of affordable rental units. 50 new rental units rec created on the site. minimize green field development by targeting

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residential development and redevelopment whereas already exists. The site is currently developed but vacant, making it an excellent opportunity to redeveloped in a town downtown location.

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545 Main Street meets the select board's priorities for funding rental units with one to three bedrooms for households with income levels of 60% to 120 of AMI income. All units are onebedrooms and 42

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of the 50 have income levels at 60%. The remaining units are 30%. Seniors who need support services to age in place. The project provides supportive housing for seniors to age in place. Create more affordable units than the minimum

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required by applicable law, including through the chapter 40B comprehensive permit and the mixed residential and commercial overlay district bylaw. Mr. COD, the development is 100% affordable and in the MROD

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units that are ADA accessible. 10% of the rental units will be ADA accessible. uh meeting community goals. The um working group for the affiling fund met on June 29th as Kim said with a

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positive recommendation community preservation committee met on 611 of 26 unanimous vote to approve recommendation for uh the support. We also did, as Kim mentioned, receive a positive uh a

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support letter from the affordable housing committee. I met with them on the 9th and they provided a letter to the south lock board on the 10th of July. 50 units to SHI list, 70% local preference, supports implementation of

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local and regional housing goals. That's it. Okay. So that's your presentation. >> That is my presentation. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um do we have questions or comments from the board? >> Yes, Miss Klein.

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>> Thanks so much for being here. Um Miss Clark, and just to maybe further clarify, you know, um the type of funding you're relying a lot on, the low-income housing tax credit funding both from federal and state sources. And

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how does that um tax credit differ if you're doing an age restricted project versus a a project that's not age restricted? >> I'm going to let Terrace speak. She's the expert on a tax >> because there's a lot of folks in town who are who would really like to see a project that's not going to be an age

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restricted project. And so I think if you could just expand on that. Thank you. >> So I'm Tara Misrai. I am executive vice president at Affirmative Investments. Um, so it's an excellent question because um, we're always looking at um,

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trying to find the right project for the right place and the funding that's available at that time. Um, so our senior projects are the only projects that the state when you are dipping into the large amount of resources that we showed in the other slide, the percentage of resources that we're

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asking, federal state credits, and then $100,000 per unit on top of those credits from the state. Um only when you're doing age restricted housing can you build one-bedroom units. Um when you're building unagger restricted units, they're focusing on uh larger

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bedroom units. So 60 if we didn't do um age restricted, 65% of the units would have to be two or threebedroom units with 10% being three bedrooms. So just like um we're doing at Locustfield, we met with you guys a couple of weeks ago.

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that um is the typical mix of ones, twos, and threes that would be required to dip into the state resources. >> Question. Oh, go ahead, Mr. Mskelly. >> Uh Miss Clark, you you you make some statements with respect to um it not

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being profitable to continue the building, to renovate it as opposed to knocking it down. Um I'm I'm sure you know there are many people in town who have questioned uh losing this site. Um and u but you

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make some conclusions with respect to it not being profitable or feasible. I I'm wondering if you have any, you know, backup for those those conclusions or or where where your conclusions are coming from. >> I did send along some information to the

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board. Well, the banner you are you talk Yeah, I I I read that. It says there's there's costs involved. I understand that. >> Right. It's about efficiency as well. The configuration of the building. Um >> do you want me to talk? >> Yeah, go right ahead.

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>> Um so we originally looked um as we had looked at this building several years ago. Um and when we looked at that, we were trying to figure out what can we fit in this building and looking at reusing the building. As you know, it is a unique building with its round

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structure. Um, it is very hard to get um the efficiency that we need to put the right number of units in. The state um looks very carefully at how much you're paying for the the total project and the cost per unit. So, as an example, um you

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know, when we paid for Scranton and Maine, um I think it was about $45,000 a unit. um buying this one atif we can fit 50 units in. It's still a significant it's still 63,000 I think something like that per unit. So we have

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to be very careful um of how many units we're building to be competitive for all of the the state financing um and taking that circular building. We've really found it very challenging to get the number of units into the building to

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make uh this financially feasible. >> Thank you. Okay. >> Well, our previous presentation on the other uh developer had 67 units >> um which were largely um studio I think

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studios and one-bedroom units. I don't believe um that the other developer was dipping into the state resources. I believe and I don't I don't know what the most recent um the most recent sources and uses that I saw um had a significant number of workforce housing

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funds um which aren't available right now at the state anymore. So um it's just not a current resource that can be dipped into. The housing bond bill was hoping to recapitalize that fund, but those funds have not been seen. Mass Housing um operates that fund and

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there's there are not they're not accepting applications right now. Can I ask if uh you explored uh any other options that might be available by leveraging the seasonal communities designation and the flexibility that that might give us in the different

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kinds of designations we can make of housing or different funds that we might be able to seek as a seasonal community? Um we we have used we've done a lot of work of of work in Famouth as you know and we're doing a bunch of work um on Martha's Vineyard in Nucket right now.

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And so the seasonal communities um helps a little um it helps with us being able to um be a little more focused on uh providing housing for municipal workers and pieces like that. It hasn't

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really given us more uh new re new resources. Um, you know, we are working with the town in Nantucket right now. They do want to build workforce housing as well. Um, but they accept they are looking at putting $16 million into a

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workforce housing project to get a higher level of income. So, it's unfortunately it's just not um it's just not there right now. So, uh the seasonal communities doesn't really provide us uh something feasible for the project.

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>> Yes, Mr. Reid. you kind of took my uh question a little bit, but um we have a letter from Senator Fernandez talking about um being grateful to work with the board uh to apply for different state funding for

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a project. I appreciate that this opportunity fell into your laps, that you took it on quickly, efficiently, and pretty effectively. Um, I have a couple concerns given of the design given um a neighbor across the street uh at Lantern

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Lane and how big that place is, but aside from that, you have many good qualities, but I feel like we're in an all or nothing situation because of the type of funding that you have. Age restriction is a major bone of contention I think that we've previously

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discussed on this board um because we have um a workforce issue that's growing and it's only getting worse. Um, I guess now noting that and you didn't have the benefit of seeing Senator

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Fernandez's um, letter, has the have you all looked into other and I guess I'm piggybacking on this and I think the answer is no, but have you looked into other non-traditional funding sources?

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Um, to build on what the Seasonal Communities Act labels as attainable housing, um, for households that frequently earn too much for the classic affordable housing, which is where we're going on this one, but still can't

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afford the market rates that we have in Falmouth. I guess if yes, which ones have you evaluated, and why didn't you go with it? And if not, why not? >> Sure. So, this is not a request that's unique. um from Felmouth and I wish

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there were other resources available because I agree it is a problem. Um we um as I mentioned we're we're we're working on this right now with Nantucket. We have not found except for town resources the mass housing program which does not exist right now could

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come back at some point. Um we did actually submit a letter today it might have been too late from Mass Housing saying that that pro the program is not accepting applications and it needs to be recapitalized. um even that pro even that program um

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when it was running was up to $100,000 per unit and up to $3 million per project, although they tended to give less than $3 million for each project because so many people were looking for those funds. The only other um resource that we've

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been able to find as a potential for supporting uh workforce housing is really it's a small subsidy that would be um private equity firms that maybe are looking at kind of doing socialed investments, but it's really like a mezzanine debt level. Uh, so it's

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really, you know, you've pulled together 90% of your financing and you can make it work, but you need 10%, you know, and they can look at getting back their money over time. So, we are looking at those, but they have to be partnered with significant funds from someone else.

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>> And that's what you're seeing up in Boston right now, right? >> No, I mean, we're not seeing workforce housing, you know, you can do mixed income up in Boston, right? Um, and you can you could figure out how to have a significant number of market rates and then subsidize uh some mid-level, but

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the numbers here um I don't don't quite play that out in a in a major way where you would get significant, you know, numbers of units at that lo at that level. >> You know, >> additional questions from the board. Yeah, Miss Klein. Go >> ahead. Um,

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I know that the Falmouth Housing Corporation has a significant waiting list for units. Um, Miss Clark, if you could just speak a little bit to that waiting list and then the the decision uh to drive I just beyond funding, but

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um is there a strong demand for one-bedroom units? >> Yes, that is the the majority of our demand is one-bedroom units. Um, and the majority of the onebedrooms are seniors. I see them come in my office every day.

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90 to 95% of the people that come in our office are seniors looking for onebedrooms. >> How many are working? >> And we have right now we have 20% of our 87 units of senior housing are

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working. the other 205 units. I think everybody did the board did receive this. I mean, it's pretty the information is is good information. We're the largest affordable housing company in the town

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of Felmouth and we do hold weight lists. 205 units are not age restricted. 110, which is 54% are working in the town of Falmouth. And you do have, I believe, the list

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Mhm. >> Can you um you just said you had some percentages uh in terms of like you said 95% coming into your office are seniors. >> I think you had uh in the materials you

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had provided had said that of single individual households in Falmouth 57% are seniors. Um, so how does that uh I guess that that that to me paints a different picture of the the need and the demand.

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>> What are you referring to? >> It's that chart that the >> Oh, it was the chart. It was it was the um was it the 2024 housing production plan? I believe I think we

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>> So I think I think >> I would have to go Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that was from a production plan. I think it's just saying the the immense um the increasing age of the typical residents um in Felmouth um and how many are rent burdened but I think

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what Linda is saying that that that might be true but but of those that are coming into her into her office many more are seniors that >> absolutely >> yeah I have it's on >> the housing production >> page one of the project overview that you provided to us 57% of single family

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households in Falmouth are a 65 or older >> housing production plan >> so Okay. >> Yep. >> Um, yes, Mr. Kelly, >> could could you explain uh your path forward with respect to what what permitting needs to be done, where what

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what what other approvals you require before this gets gets gets approved. But what what concerns me quite frankly is um the the prior application which is no longer before us, you know, came to us as a fully baked uh situation when when

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the money was asked for for acquisition. Uh it seems to me that we're uh we're we're being forced into a a quick decision here that uh um you know I personally am a little hesitant about going forward um because I don't know

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what your processes are, what your um you know what what what the next steps are going to be uh how viable this project is. Uh so can you expand on what your permitting requirements are? >> Right. would would have to go to the

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ZBA. >> Um and funding is about what a year and a half, two years out ter. >> Yeah. So the typical um permitting process would be we we would be applying for um a comprehensive permit. Maybe that would happen at the end of this

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year at the beginning of next year. But I think your question is bigger than that um of just the permitting. I think it's saying is this project going to happen? Um and I would say that we have been successful on on all of our projects to date in Felmouth. Um this is

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our 11th project um together in Felmouth. As you know, these projects take an exorbitant amount of money to put together. And so I think the reason why I'm so focusing on saying that we are building a project that we know can be financed is that we can't put

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ourselves in this position and especially a nonprofit to be out, you know, um millions of dollars in pre-construction costs and acquisition and financing if this if we don't believe that this project will get funded. Um so we take this very

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seriously. We would not be putting ourselves out there if we didn't think this would happen. >> Mr. Brown, do you have a question? >> I do. Um, about the design, I'm concerned. You know, we hear from people all the time that we're letting this

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town just get destroyed and all of our historic buildings are getting torn down and we're building these big things. Many of them are being built not by our choice but this one would be and it's

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very I don't know it's it's not doesn't look like Falmouth to me and I just wonder about the design and how far along is that design and are there any other options? >> So the the design is very um conceptual at this point. This this is the extent

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of the design. We we have developed it to the point where we can feel confident that we can fit in all of the amenities and the units that we want. Um and we put it in a structure that was um at least smaller than the structure square footage wise that's there now. Um so

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yes, there will be a whole continuing process after this for the design. Um and it will have to go through a comprehensive permit process where there is lots of uh of community and town input as well. And I also have heard from uh historic

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people of historic interest that they're very interested in the building historically as well. Is there no way to rethink this and make that building work? I mean, I know you just said that, but and the other developer that came did seem to make it work with more

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units. And I know that's not what you're planning, but just shaking my head at this. I mean wi with all due respect the last developer did not get it to completion right so I again I'm going back to saying this is a project we can finance

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because we can fit a certain amount of number of units be efficient but we do have to take the existing building down. We're we're not interested in reusing this building. The cost to rehab it. It's inefficient. the cost to to put um town and state money in uh for that type

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of building and it and it won't be energy efficient um like the states looking for to give all of their funds. They really want something to be passive house certified or enterprise green community. We really can't make that work for this building. Maybe council, can you um can you expand

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on the issue with respect to the historical commission and the um uh recent actions there with respect to suspending applications for uh demolishing buildings? >> Yes. >> Where that stands in in relation

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>> generally and and with respect to this project as well. Um well I so the work that I'm doing with the historical commission isn't in regard to any particular project. Um the work that I'm doing was in regard to a review of the bylaw itself and the rules and

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regulations of the historical commission. I found them to be um so um so vague as to be uh as to open the historical commission up to

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um a lot of questions, possible litigation no matter what they what decision they made. Uh there's a lot of contention already um prior to this about the the list of substantial buildings and what the criteria were. they were simply

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amorphous. And if you don't have um a set of criteria that you can rely on to um be applied the same way every time that you consider an application, there's a risk that your decision is going to be

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arbitrary and capriccious. And where that I I found between the bylaw and the regulations, any decision they made because of the lack of criteria was going to necessarily be arbitrary and capriccious. We made the decision with

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the director of community development to um review not just the bylaw but the rules and regulations. The rules and regulations can be updated a lot quicker than the bylaw can. The bylaw will have to wait until October town meeting. But I expect the rules um the rules of the

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historical committee to be updated um soon enough so that they can consider the request for any request for to put anything on the substantial buildings list within the next month or so. >> And can you just clarify was there a a

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an event was there something that prompted the review? >> I was going to ask I mean have there been any any instances of problems before the historical commission? There's been a lot of contention. >> Well, contention is one thing. I mean, have there been >> confusion. There's there's a list, but

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no one seems to be able to to say definitively whether those buildings are actually on the list of substantial buildings or not. And it's because no one could tell me or the director of community development um what criteria is used and what the

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process is and how do you get something on the list. And right there, that's a problem when you're talking about when you're talking about a commission that has the ability to prevent an owner from developing their own land. That's a

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potential regulatory taking and a constitutional violation. >> We haven't had any of them yet. >> We have not had any challenges yet, but when I started looking at it, it looks like the process that's been used so far is squishy. And it's the only word I can

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think of to apply. >> But we yet we have had successful imp application of that. >> They well there it's been applied. I can't say that it's been applied the same way all along. No one's no one has been able to tell me what criteria they

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use or and in some instances I've gotten different information about what buildings are on the list. It's >> but at the same time when it has been used it's been successful. >> Well, I don't know what that means

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though. Successful in what respect? >> Well, in like the respect like with highfield hall now we have a building that's was saved rather than destroyed and it's very useful community u resource. >> If the board has no additional questions

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at this time, I'm going to see if there's anyone for public comment and then the board can discuss. Um, is there anyone for public comment, Mr. Gasso? And then Yes, you ma'am. You'll be next. >> Good evening. Thank you. Michael Glass, 107 Lake View A. I wasn't really

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intending on speaking tonight, but since the issue of funding for the project came up, I thought I'd I'd say a couple words. Um, one of the reasons to save this building is what it creates in equity into the rehabilitation of the building. A historic building such as

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this, approved by the National Park Service, who approves historic buildings, creates $6 million worth of equity going into this building. That's $6 million worth of historic tax credits that have no restrictions on it as far as age.

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So there, anyone at any age could live in there. and um it is 20% of the cost of rehabbing those building. So saving it has a historic building creates equity and dollars that go into the project. We do not have any

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workforce housing funds in this project. What we do have a lot of is money to make the building efficient and to make it be um sustainable. We are reducing the carbon footprint in that building by 80% by making all the changes we are

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with mechanical systems putting solar on the roof. So we don't have any workforce housing funds. We have $25 million worth of funding already put together for this project. We have one remaining gap of 2 million1. That would prevent us from closing. That's $25

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million towards rehabbing the building and making it economically feasible to operate for a long period of time. So, I just wanted to clear that up that we don't have workforce housing funds in the project because she's right. That program hasn't been funded in a number of years. I really don't know why

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because it's really needed, but we have never used that as one of our sources. We inquired about it many, many times to see if it was, but it's not in our list of funding. You all have a list of the funding that we've proposed for the project and what's been approved to to date and what we have commitments for.

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And as I said, that adds up to $25 million. So, I hope that answers some of your questions. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. My name is Vicky Angstrom and you are looking at one of the seniors who is so grateful to be living at Scranton and

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Maine. I've lived in this town since 1965. I was married. My children went to school here. My husband, my former husband was on the police department. I worked in the school system.

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This is my hometown in my opinion. 10 years ago, I had to sell my house because I couldn't afford to keep it anymore. I was alone and I just didn't have the money to keep a house up anymore

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and I sold it. And I had to go out of town to find an affordable apartment and I hated it. I was blessed to come back to Felmouth because I got on the lottery for the

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gifted street h housing and I am so grateful to Linda Clark and her vision of housing but my money is dwindling and I couldn't afford even the that apartment and she

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said I'm building the affordable housing at Scranton and Maine. Get on the list right now. And I did and I got in and I love it there. And I love being with all

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the other seniors and they're not from out of town. So many of them when I Oh my gosh, you live here. You live here. Our kids went to school together. I know I'm being emotional and

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passionate, but I have to tell you there's so many more people my age out there and especially the women because we never worked the jobs that paid the money that gave us the finances that we

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could go to someplace like Atria or some of the other wise living in the other places. But Linda knows that we deserve a place in our hometown as much as anybody else.

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And we're old and we're not going to be there a long time, so it'll turn over. But there definitely is a terrible need for more housing for people like me. And a one-bedroom apartment is perfect. I

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love it. we get together and when we had the snowstorm and the and the lights went out for four days, we had electricity in the community room and everybody brought their food out of the refrigerator and we had pot locks and it was a great

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thing. So, please please consider us who live here and need a roof over our head that we can afford. And as far as the the the old Felmouth nursing home,

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yeah, it's round. It's got a it's got a mural on the side of the of the the driveway. That's beautifully landscaped, but it's been closed for five years and the mold and the old just the oldness of

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everything in that building. It's going to take a lot of money. It would take too much money to make that building into a place that could be affordable for people to live.

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And you know, George Washington didn't sleep there. And nobody signed a treaty there. And look, it we're a town and and and and we won't need to be vibrant. It's not a question of of um you know if

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we're going to change, it's how we're going to change. I remember when they tore down the Gus Cany and everybody went, "Oh no, what's that ugly building they're putting up there?" But you know what? Do you complain about it now? It's

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just the community building. So isn't the Isn't the senior center a large building? That's the direction of the future. >> Thank you, ma'am. I'm sorry. >> We've got a finite amount of land.

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Don't give the land away to somebody who's not going to respect those of us that lived here almost our whole lives. >> Thank you. >> Thank you,

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sir. >> Mr. Garrison. Good evening. I know it's late. I'm Dave Garrison, chair of the affordable housing committee. Um, we sent you a note on Friday noon after our meeting on Thursday and uh, but it wasn't part of

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your packet because it was too late. So, if I could for just a moment, I wanted to read a couple of the paragraphs from that statement. >> Thank you. Yes, we have all seen the the letter. So, if you would um, if there are some excerpts Housing Committee enthusiastically supports the Farmouth

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Housing Corporation's proposal to build these muchneeded senior units, all of which would count towards the town's SHI. The demand for senior units is substantial. The the Felmouth Housing Corporation reported they have well over 900 seniors

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on its waiting list. The proposed mix of incomes in the project is for eight units at 30% of AMI and 42 units at 60% of AMI. The new senior building, but it's right in the downtown

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uh close it's close to a wide variety of services and amenities. The central location assists residents in pursuing productive life options. The FA000 Corporation estimates that 20% of those 62 years and older who occupy

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their units are working and many others volunteer. As Mr. Clark just said, the proposed building would replace an aging structure that is in danger of being repurposed for non-housing uses. The Famouth Housing Corporation plans to

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have management on site each workday and roundthe-clock access to maintenance staff, which is important in this kind of a facility. The building will be solar ready with the expectations that grant funds will be available to finance the installation of solar panels. There's adequate parking already

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available on site. 545 Main Street is the perfect place for this project. The corporation's project responds directly to many of the housing objectives in the town's local comprehensive plan and the housing production plan. Local

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preference would be in force, meaning that most of the units would be filled by seniors who live or work in Falmouth. Our committee fully supports the request from the corporation for 2.6 million in acquisition costs from the Falmouth

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affordable housing fund. And our committee urges the select board to approve the corporation's request at the at your meeting this evening so that town staff will have sufficient time to put together the necessary paperwork that will enable the corporation to

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close on the property by the end of this month. Thank you very much. >> Thank you Mr. Neto and then Mr. Turkington >> and then as noted it is late and I think we will close public comment after that.

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Jonetto precinct 9 because I'm coming to the podium as a town meeting member. Every town meeting we vote to allocate millions of dollars under the jurisdiction and handing out

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tooth board of selection for these affordable housing projects. I had no I'm not here tonight for this project. I'm here for one hopefully we get to before midnight. A couple of comments.

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When that round building went up on Main Street years ago, I thought it was the ugliest building on Main Street, and it still is. That's my opinion. I think you are missing a point here.

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And I'm somewhat confused at the reluctance of the discussion by this board of the need for senior housing in Falmouth. The figures that have been given

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show you there's a substantial need. But I want you to look at do you know what 30% of the AMI is for earned income? Do you have any idea any of you? It's 20. These are the state figures.

662
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It's $29,650. Let me ask you a question. Where were those seniors who worked all their lives? You have to be what? 60 at least 60, 70, 80 years old.

663
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Where are those people going to get places to live? How long do you think I can't work half as much now as I used to? The old age catches up with you. You

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catch us someday hopefully. 60% AMI is 59,000. This applicant has a history 11 projects of the town of Palmouth. Every one of them up to snuff first

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class. You had a very elegant speaker and occupant of one of them. I would hope you paid attention to what she says. Don't let the Please do not let the

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Felmouth Board of Select deny the seniors of Felmouth a chance to spend their golden years in this town. I would hope this would be unanimous

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vote to support this project. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, good evening. Uh, I'm Eric Turkington. I'm I've been on the board of Fal Housing Corporation even back as far as the Bob Murray time. And, uh,

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I've been involved in a lot of those 11 projects. And uh I have to say the Felmouth Housing Corporation has built almost as many units of housing in this town as the Fmouth Housing Authority and

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they did it with all federal money. Uh in every single one of those 11 projects, the board of the board of selectment in the town has been a partner. It's been a minority partner. Usually the town contributes perhaps 15% of the

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cost, maybe maybe 10, maybe 20, but it's been a partner and it it's been a working relationship for a very long time. I want to give you as a board a lot of credit for your advocacy for the

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workforce element. You've been very clear on that and you've been very supportive of that. What the Falmouth Housing Corporation is bringing to you today, or not just today, but this year, is something that every other town in the Commonwealth would die for. They're

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bringing you two projects. They're bringing you a workforce project with 46 units, all in the affordable range, and 50 more for elderly. and they're only asking the town to

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contribute 15% of the cost of both of those projects. Every one of them is going to be loaded with thous people. The work, the one on Locustfield is going to have 40 rental units for families. You've seen the numbers for

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our other projects. How many of those people work in this town? Lots of them. We're talking about dozens of people who work in dozens of stores and restaurants. the these these are not people sitting around and watching

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television all day. These are people who hold jobs. They're going to be in that project and and you are one of the reasons that project is going to happen. This is a different crew, but it's equally important in this town. We got a third

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of the people in this town are over 65. They're all going to go somewhere. They're not going to live in their houses forever. They're not going to live where they are forever. Linda sees them every day coming in saying, "I'm being tossed out of my rental. I can't afford to take care of my house anymore.

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I need a place to live." You can do both. You're going to do You've done the workforce piece on Locust Field. Tonight, you have the opportunity to do the elderly piece. This site is an acre and a half. You can

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talk about putting workforce in there. You can't make it work. This window's project as proposed has 50 parking spaces, one per unit for the elderly and six for guests. If you had three bedroomedroom units and

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two-bedroom units mix into that mix, where would you put the cars? You can't put them anywhere. It's a perfect site for seniors. It's within walking distance to everything a senior would ever want to go to. Um the

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workforce piece you've already done. Take the victory. Take the victory and it's a victory for this whole town as well as for this board. Thank you. >> All right. Um the board has a decision to to make here tonight. We're being

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asked to to vote on uh this proposal. Um Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see one more. Last one. Thank you. answer. >> Sorry, I'm moving a little slow like some of the other people who are seniors. Uh, unfortunately, I I don't

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like that, but I want to touch on a couple of points. Kevin Murphy, I represent the owner in this project. Michael had the best intentions in the world, but even tonight, he admitted to you that he's still $2 million shy. I don't know where he plans on getting

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that $2 million. Uh, and I can tell you this, the owner will not sell the property to him. That ship is sailed. This is an opportunity to have some affordable housing in the community. Every time a senior goes into

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a senior unit, they had to come from somewhere. They came from another house or another apartment. Miss Instrom told you that she had to sell her house. Guess what? I don't know who went in there, but it provided an opportunity

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for somebody else to move up the pipeline. Um, in the regard to the historic district, we've heard about funding tonight. That was an angle that Michael used,

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take your hat off to try to get funding from a historic tax credits. But unfortunately, those tax credits won't be available to him until the project would be completed, and that would be the only time that he could apply for

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the third stage of those historic tax credits. The owner will take the property and repurpose it and that will include de demolition of the property. This is an opportunity for affordable

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housing. I hope you take it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay, we're now going to move to deliberation and um gonna take chair's prerogative and and kick things off. Um, first of all, I

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want to say to to Miss Clark and uh to the representatives from Affirmative Investments, um, you make a strong case. We we got a pile of letters, um, from very happy residents, um, of other

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Falmouth Housing Corporation projects. Um, and there is clearly a need for senior housing in this town. At the same time, there is a need for the other twothirds of our population as

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well. And while I think uh you've hit on a key here with this property that single individual households, single bedroomedroom units and those smaller units um are the opportunity here. Not necessarily two and threebedroom units.

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We can't put those everywhere. Um, I don't think that those single-bedroom units need to be only for seniors. Um, the goal that we set in our strategic plan is robust options uh for individuals of all ages at all income

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levels. And it doesn't we don't have to use the word workforce. It doesn't have to have any relation to whether or not people are working. There is a need for housing for younger individuals as well. And having an age unrestricted development does not

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preclude does not take away opportunities for seniors to have housing, but having age restricted housing takes that opportunity away from others. And so that is for me the the biggest stumbling block. And then

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in terms of this board being asked to contribute $2.6 6 million at the acquisition phase. When we were first asked for funding for the acquisition phase of a project at 545 Maine, this

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board thought long and hard about the risk of investing at the acquisition phase of a project. And it was not a requirement, but it was because that project was at such an advanced stage that we a we felt

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confident that that risk was somewhat mitigated. And obviously that project um that that we did make that commitment to has stumbled. I worry about being asked for an investment of this

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size at this stage of the pro the project and especially I I think more creativity and more work is due to figure out how we make this not just the project that can be funded now but the project that

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the town needs for the next 20 to 50 years that that building will be used because that restriction doesn't doesn't end, right? And so making sure that we are making the best long-term decision and mitigating risks for the town's

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funds um is is really where where I hit a stumbling block. Um obviously there are four other members of this board and I'm eager to hear what others are thinking. Oh, Madam Chair, I'll uh I'll I'll chime in here and and

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and certainly your comments were kind of mirroring what I was asking with respect to, you know, going forward and uh and um I I I as well am a little concerned that uh that it seems we're being rushed into this situation

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uh without a lot of thought uh about the implications for other types of possibilities. Uh we've heard Mr. Murphy indicate uh you know what what the seller's intention might be and I think we have to if this project isn't approved and I think we have to take

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that into consideration as well. Uh but I do think that uh you know the other project that came before us was was fully baked uh and we knew ex you know other than the funding uh we knew what what was going to go there. We had a lot

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of um uh different provisions in place with respect to uh the financing because it was an acquisition and it was a a bit of a risk for us and u so I'm a little hesitant as well. Uh, initially I was supportive of this project to the extent

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that I thought senior housing was something that uh, we needed to take a look at and I still think we do, but uh, uh, I just feel we're we're we're we're rushing into something and I'm not really sure I'm comfortable at this point with that. Miss Glenn,

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>> um I just want to clarify with town council as far as the risk component goes. Would it not be the case if this project were to fall through that we would be able to revoke the funding like we did for the previous project?

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>> It depends what you mean when it falls through. The reason why um the previous fund funding was able to be rescended was because the person that money was or the entity that that money was granted to didn't

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have any property interest at all in the property. And so one of the fundamental pillars of a commitment letter is ownership rights. here. The project falling through isn't necessarily

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a reason, a sufficient reason. I'd need to know more about it. >> Okay. >> Um it's just that the reason for recision of the other project was so blatant that it made it easier to to make that decision. >> Okay. would like to um then follow up

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that statement with um acknowledging the long track record of this organization. Um and while I would dearly dearly love to have a project targeted towards working age

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individuals before me, um I'm also a very practical person and I do not have that project before me. So I'm considering this project. Um, I think that uh the representative of the sellers made it clear that um we are under a

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tight timeline and and it sounds like the ball for Felmouth Housing Corporation has been rolling for some months now. Um and while I respect the opinions of my fellow board members, I think that it's time maybe not for an

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aspirational vote, but for a practical one. And I think that the track record of the Felmouth Housing Corporation in our town is quite long. They manage a significant number of units successfully have shown success in receiving funding

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uh in the past. And what I really appreciate about the organization is that they are not then walking away uh from the project that they are staying involved and caring for those individuals um in a way that speaks

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volumes to me about their commitment um not only just to developing the housing but then to caring for those individuals who would end up occupying it. Um it's also worth noting that Fouthouth Housing Corporation tends to maintain all responsibility for um monitoring the

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deed restriction or the income levels of all individuals in those units and that is a workload that is not uh to be taken lightly. That would be just another consideration and I think that that's a big plus in the favor of Fmouth Housing Corporation as an organization.

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>> Is so to town council I have a question. Is there any uh risk to the town of the previous developer bringing suit against us for revoking the funds without cause? >> Oh, we can get sued for anything at any

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time. Um whether that argument has merits is a is another question. Um are you speaking about getting uh receiving a lawsuit against the town because of the recision from the prior project? >> Correct.

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>> So the advice that I I gave to the board I believe is legally sound and I stand by it. I I I think that there was um you had that this board had grounds, sufficient legal grounds to rescend the

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money. If we do get a lawsuit, and I can't predict that whether we do or we we don't, um we we won't lose that. We'll win that. >> Okay. So, I would be really, you know, it's it's

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sad that the other project didn't make it. If there was a demolition delay on that building, maybe it would still have a chance at life, but seems like that's not going to happen because I don't see support for that.

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I look at the example of the property on Main Street that was proposed to be a miniature golf. them supposed to be a motel and all of those got shot down and then the developer was pushed into a 40B situation and I don't want to see that

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happen here. I think that this may not be the original project that we wanted but it's certainly better than what some other alternative might be that might come along that we don't know what what that alternative might be.

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So, I guess I'm going to have to say that I would support this project because it's certainly I don't like the looks of the building, but it's a good project. It's a good concept and there is a need and uh even though it might not be our dream come true, it's a good

725
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project and I think it's worthy of support. I would like to have more information about it. As you said, it's early to be given out the 2.6 6 million but all indications are that this is a good project for the town.

726
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>> I think it in my mind it is I mean first of all a lot of the the uh positives that you mentioned Miss Klein I would hope would be part of a project whether it was age restricted or not and and would see as positives. Um

727
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the I I would like to see more work and creativity putting put into finding ways to fund it may look essentially like this project but as age unrestricted because age unrestricted as I said does

728
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not prevent seniors from using that housing but age restriction does prevent anyone else from using that housing. Um, and if we didn't already have Scranton on Maine and have another dedicated senior housing project on Main Street, I think

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looking at context and looking holistically at how we want what what we want Main Street to be like. Um, right and how we want this area to be used and how not just how we want it to be used because we don't determine that, but how we want to

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invest our money and our taxpayers money in the way that that Main Street um is developed and redeveloped. >> So, are you inclined to then say maybe we hold off tonight and think about this more and ask for more information if

731
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there's other opportunities for reconsideration? What do you I think they made it pretty clear that it's only the age restriction that makes this project viable in its current form >> with the current funding sources. Yes.

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>> Right. Um, I think as previously mentioned, um, you know, we have had a letter from Senator Fernandez, um, that he would be open to working with us to identify funding sources. Um, I just I I think more creativity needs to go go

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into figuring out what how this could be um, a project with with broader benefits. Mr. Reed, do you want to jump in? >> Yeah. Um, great points made across the board from each side. Um, I think we're

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stuck in a um all or not situation, a first in first out situation. Um, I'm not sure that we are rushed in the form of needing to make a decision today. I think it's in the fact that we as a select board and we as a community do

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not have an updated local comprehensive plan or strategic plan to which we are going to weigh this decision against. Um, I sit on many of the affordable housing and housing related meetings. So, I'm in conflict here because um, we

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do need more housing. Period. End of story, right? When we need housing that is uh, affordable. Um, we have friends that have stood up and talked about the need for senior housing and we are not,

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I think, as a board saying that we don't need it. I think the question before us is do we need it for the teachers who no longer work here or are able to live here?

738
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Do we have the essential workforce living here anymore? When we have updates from committees and from departments, we ask the question over and over again, where are your people living? And we're seeing more and

739
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more an increase of people living off Cape. This is a long game for the teachers, for the essential workforce, for the fire, for the police,

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for DPW, for town management, for the people that earn above a certain amount but are unable to actually live here. We just g we just voted for a uh individual for our finance director,

741
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you know, to live off Cape. We're doing that more and more. And so when I look at this and I look at the previous discussions, we have been a board that has been about the workforce. We're now presented in an all or not kind of scenario. So I'm giving you my

742
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feelings off my chest. Um, this is a difficult one because it's not one versus the other. This is where Eric, you you did a good job, Mr. Turkington, saying, "Yeah, we're building some workforce." And yet, yeah,

743
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we are, but are we building enough? The the question is we're we're not in balance. We have to figure out the balance. We need to do that through a strategic plan. We're not aiming at anything right now. We're aiming at yes or no. And that's the hard part that

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we're being stuck in as a select board. I'm inclined to not favor this right now because we do have a letter of support for workforce housing from Senator Fernandez that is quote says would be grateful to work

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with the board to apply for state funding for a workforce project. I think we should take him up on that offer. Um, it's not saying that we don't need or want senior housing. I think we have done that. The question is, have we done

746
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enough, you know, in each of the categories? And that's where we're at as a select board. So, it's complicated. It's not easy. It's hard. But um again,

747
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it's not a vote in favor of against I said it's not it's not a vote against seniors in this in this scenario. It's what do we need most in the next 20 years. And I hate to say it, but more of our

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teachers are not living here and our essential workforce are not living here. And we need to create more opportunities. And if it's one and two bedrooms because we're combining two of the one bedrooms in, then we might need to do that. So, I'll stop there.

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Um, I I really am concerned that we're we're rushing into a decision that I don't think we've really had enough of an opportunity to digest and um, you know, look at all of the different ramifications.

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Uh I realize that the applicant has a PNS that requires closing within certain time frames and extensions and so forth, but that was the applicant's, you know, desire to to to have and I suppose it

751
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was a negotiation. Uh I'm of a mind to u to to put this off and think about it a little further to uh to make sure we come to to the right decision. And as I said before, I'm not necessarily against this application. I just think that uh

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the way it has come to us and with respect to the other project and and and the issues with respect to that, I just think that uh we should take some more time to reflect on this before we make a final decision. uh the applicant could have come to our

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meeting uh although it was a only three of us but uh you know and and had this discussion out there so people could hear and see and what was going on they chose to to come tonight uh with a you know with a with a deadline at at the

754
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end of this month um but I think uh I' I'd be more comfortable taking a little more time to uh to think this through >> and your recommendation would be >> to table it for this evening. >> I'll make a motion. >> Okay, there's a motion on the floor. I

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did see a hand from Miss Klein. Is there a second for that motion? >> I'll say okay. >> Motion and a second further discussion, Miss Klein, I saw your hand go up. >> I respectfully I I realize that folks feel

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that they're being rushed. Um, and I I think from FEL with Housing Corporation's perspective, um, they can only probably afford for this to go on for so long, right? And at some point it will no

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longer be viable for them to remain in that purchase and sale agreement. And I think that we need to be very very careful uh what delaying could mean for that property. Um I hear

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Mr. Mscali's point. Um I don't know if with two of us having been absent if it would have made much of a difference to present it on June 29th. Um and that was just an unfortunate circumstance. Um, and so I would I would

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express as Mr. Reed did that this is a very very difficult decision. It is not a decision that I think anyone on the board is is wants to take lightly and I have spent a lot of time thinking about it and thinking about the feedback from

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community members um including what we've heard here tonight. And again, I'm in favor of of trying to make a practical choice. I think that Senator Fernandez's support is admirable. I would like to know

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specifically, you know, what is the timeline for that funding look like? I think it's probably long um from all practical circumstances if it's not uh an aspiration that cannot be achieved. I also think it funding this

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project does not preclude us from working with Senator Fernandez on that goal for the future. Um, this is one project. We have other locations that have been discussed in Falmouth that might be appropriate in that corridor uh

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for redevelopment. Um, for example, the the Kimco Plaza has come up for years now as a possibility. Uh, and so I would imagine that Senator Fernandez's offer would extend to other projects in the

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future. And I would just I feel very nervous about the ability of that funding that we would love to exist to actually come to fruition and to come to fruition in a timeline that works um for the reality that we're facing.

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If uh if we vote to table this for two weeks, it would be my hope that um to your point, Miss Klein, that that's not two weeks of simply sitting and thinking about it, that that's two weeks that is used um to very actively try to explore

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um what options might be, what help Senator Fernandez might be able to offer, what the financing for an all ages project might look like, and really try um to to explore additional options so that we

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would come back in two weeks um with additional information um not simply with the same deliberation in front of this board. Um so we do have a motion and a second if there's no further discussion. All those in favor this is

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the motion to table for two weeks until July 27th. >> All those in favor >> I Okay. All those opposed. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Um,

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next is a status report on the design of the new police station at 100 Brick Kil Road. >> So, uh, did you skip the capital? >> Oh, I missed things to do. >> Yep.

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>> I'll do it. Yeah, >> those two items tonight >> the capital plan. >> Okay. Um >> maybe we should >> already slashed four slides. So, >> um I'm going to ask for the uh yeah uh

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the opinion of the board here. Uh Mr. Renshaw has introduced the idea of postponing the presentation of the capital plan until our next meeting. Um we will be discussing select board meeting schedule in our next in in a later item. Um and either that or a follow following meeting could be a

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finances workshop. So, okay. Um yes, that's what we'll do. We're going to skip the uh proposed capital plan for right now. We're going to give folks who are making their way out a minute to do that. We are going to jump to item C, the status report on the new police station. Um and uh

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>> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Hi. Over to you. >> So, uh good evening. as late as it could be. But good evening. Uh my name is Boyd Demo and the chairman of the police station advisory committee. Uh and I know it's a late hour, but I just like

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to take a moment to uh thank uh select board member uh Bob Mscali for his leadership as board chair during the initial uh outside of this pro uh project u and advancing it to where we are today. And uh I as the chairman and the committee look forward to continuing

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the collaboration with Chair Goldstone and the rest of the board going forward to bring this project to fruition on a much needed project. Um so joining me here this evening uh speaking with on this project tonight is going to be Captain Douglas Dosta the police department and Matt Salad from Tecton

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Architects. Also Chief Lowry and his staff are here along with Steve Kirby who is our owner's project manager and everyone's available for questions uh moving forward. Um so the committee and the working group at the police departments remained

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uh diligent in uh moving this project forward. Currently we're in design development. We went into that and around the 1 of April and looking to coming out of design development at uh the end of August. Uh we're looking to have a 100% design development cost estimate by midepptember. I should note

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that uh we've had uh several community meet uh committee meetings and that we've had some attendance from the citizens of the town of Falmouth with a lot of valuable input into the project and we've taken that advice and uh working through it. Uh we're also

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planning a community forum for the end of the month. I'm not quite sure if that date's been solidified or not yet. So Peter's waving me off. So we're not quite sure on a date. Um the 100% uh construction document estimate is scheduled for January uh

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27th of next year and we hope to have contractor pre-qualifications between December of uh 1st of this year and the 31st of January of next year. Looking to go out to bid on the project in February 1st through the end of March of next year. So when we go to annual town

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meeting in April of 27, we'll have a uh concrete uh cost to the project going forward. And hopefully with a positive vote of town meeting in April, we're looking to go to an election ballot question in May with an intend anticipated contract award

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pending a positive vote on the ballot for June of 27 with construction to start in July of 27 for about 16 months uh coming to an end in October of 28 and a construction close out at the end of December of uh 2028 on the project. Once

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again, as we all know, this project remains an ambitious project on behalf of the committee and the town, and we're pushing forward. There's a lot going on with it. And from that, I'd like to turn it over to uh Captain Dosta from the police department. Tonight, we're going to look at some staffing stuff. Go. I'm sorry.

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>> Just quickly before you leave the podium, could you go back one slide um on the timeline? >> So, if I knew how to do that, I just want to make sure I understand when we're going to have >> those concrete cost estimates. You were talking about it with town meeting in in

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early April and the ballot vote in May. We'll actually be sealing the warrant in early January. >> So, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Ren. This um but the bidding would be coming in by the end of March of next year. So, we'll going into town meeting, we'll have

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answers on where the project's going to be. contract. >> Okay. >> Plant factors bid on it. >> Okay. >> So if if I may jump in. Um so >> so the warrant article will will not have numbers in it >> which is traditional right. Um but we

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will have 100% construction documents um a cost estimate. That estimate that we have anticipated the end of January is normally what we go to town meeting with. Um, this is a different approach that I don't, it's been a very long time

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since Fmouth has taken this approach where you actually bid the project before the funds are appropriated by town meeting. Um, so just to clarify that that we'll have, you know, really good estimates at the end of January, but then actual bids in hand for town meeting. >> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> Good evening. My name is Doug Dosta. I'm a captain with the Felmouth Police Department. I'm also on the uh internal working group for the building. So, I'd like to go over many of you have heard a lot about our our staffing study, but I'd like to correlate it with

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the building and how we're moving forward. And also, I want to also as I said, we received several questions about staffing. And in 2025, we had a staffing study completed. And I'm going to go over a summary of it. I won't be going over the whole thing, but if you

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need a copy of it, it's on our website, the whole study. So, what did we do? We looked at 40 New England communities that were very similar to ours, including tourism, maritime activities, local events, beaches, scenic landscapes, and of course, the influx of

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summer residents. Our current staffing just for a baseline is 68 authorized police officers and seven members of our professional staff the civilian side. So in our population based on year round again comparing to

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these 40 communities we're below the average of by 28% or 19 officers. So to meet that gap we would need 87 police officers and again we have 68. During the summer, if we're using the same type of evaluation

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for the the population base to those New England communities, again, we would need 263 officers. So, obviously, that's that's fiscally irresponsible. We can't even reach that. But just as a reference point on how much work the officers are doing during that summer period. Now,

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one of the other points that folks asked about was, "Okay, so you you must be building the police department for the full-time staff and the summer staff you bring on." We do not bring on any summer police officers anymore due to the standards across the state and the liability. There are no summer police

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officers. The full-time staff takes care of that and to include the influx. So, I I have a slide here. So, here's the crime rate. Now, this is comparison. We were asked for a comparison of the municipalities that are about to build a

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building or have just built a building, a police department. And you can see the differences there. Now, let's compare it to this again using FBI uniform crime reporting. Our department is 56% fewer police officers than the comparable

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communities, the other 40 comparable communities. So, crime wise, we should have 105 police officers. Some folks asked about square miles. If you compare the density of our community again to those other 40

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communities and you're looking at the comparisons to the municipalities that built or about to build a police department, we should have 91 police officers to handle that density. Road miles. Again, this is the comparison to the ones that have just

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built or about to build. And now comparing to those other 40 communities, we should have 130 officers due to the density and our professional staff should be approximately 229% above what we have. We're we're quite low. So we

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need we would need to add 16 positions there. So what we're proposing and we understand the the the fiscal responsibility in this particular area. We would like to add 19 police officers and 11 professional staff. So we would come to 87 police officers and 18

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professional staff in total. So in correlating that with our police department as it is now, the staffing study and where we need to go, we wanted to ensure you understood how we came to these particular points and why we need

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a particular building of that size. >> Can I just ask a question? Can you go back one slide? The Melrose, Peabody, Westfield, Waltham, Mashp, those are comparisons because they are built or just built.

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>> Just built or about to be built like Mashby is about to be built. >> But does that make it a statistically relevant comparison? >> I don't think any of these are statistically relevant to be honest with you because they don't compare to the communities that we match. Uh match B is half our size.

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>> Thank you. Yeah, I we were asked to compare because they were about to be built. So, it it is relevant in the fact that you can examine it and in the perspective of what they've built and you know how much it cost, but these are communities that don't match us that well.

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Any other questions? >> How many do you have an envisioned um how many shifts you'd have on? I think it >> we would remain at the at the three shifts. I I should have said uh patrol. >> It's like five patrols now.

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>> Right now we have five patrol sectors. We try to during the summer we try to go up to six patrol sectors. Part of the study was an examination of seven and eight patrol sectors. >> The when you increase the patrol sectors by number, you're able to spread the workload out. So we're being be, you

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know, becoming more efficient and effective. >> Okay. Thank you. cuz right now if you get an overloaded police officer then the investigation may become a short one. >> Right. Thank you. >> Anything else? Very good. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Doug. Uh my name is Matt Salad, project manager with Tecton Architects. Nice to see you all again this evening. Nice to meet you, Miss Klein. Um, so I I I think one of the one of the just to just to Doug's point on some of these previous ones about the the comparative analysis of other

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communities. The point here being is that there is no relevant comparative community that you can go and say we're just like them. We should be just like them. Every police department operates within its own community-based uh sector with different

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rates of crime, different demographics. All of those factors lead into the determination of the size of the police department. That's why we went through those slides with a series of different metrics to to balance this analysis against because you can't just say based

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on population a police department needs to be X. In fact, the International Association of Chiefs of Police have explicitly recommended not using that as your sole basis for sizing a police department. It needs to be a workloadbased analysis that takes into account geography, miles of paved area,

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the population, the demographics, and the amount of crime in which the officers are responding to. And so all those factors combine in in a in a in a broad brush of information that allow a police department to assess and analyze and say this is how big we need to be.

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And once they say this is how big we need to be based on staff, then I as the architect can say this is how big your building needs to be in order to support those critical operations to serve the community. Um, and we'll get into a little bit more of that as we get a little bit further through the

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presentation. Um, you folks have seen a version of this slide in the past. Uh, about a year and a half ago when we started this project, we went through an initial space needs assessment to determine the size of the police station. We aligned that with this staffing study to make sure that

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they were in agreement. And I would say that on the very first slide that Doug presented um he he had noted they've got um the slide was showing one less officer in their existing staff. That's because they've recently hired a new SRO and so that's why those two numbers weren't in alignment. Um, but we we we

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initially went through this this this exercise of determining how big the building was. And based on that assessment, we came up with a with a 62,466 ft facility. And we immediately recognized that that wasn't fiscally responsible. That wasn't what the town

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needed. That's what the police department at the time wanted. So we went back through that initial program and and really made sure that we were really focusing on missionritical spaces that that support this police department and support this community. We reduced

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offices down to smaller footprints. Um we we looked at relocating um some programmatic aspects of the building into a less expensive building that shares the campus. So what do I mean by that? Uh, a police station is what's considered in the building code an

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essential services facility. And the building code says that we need to make that more resilient to threats of natural disaster, civil unrest, things like that. Right? So that means when you're making a building more resilient through those metrics, it's more expensive. We don't need to store

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ancillary materials in a really expensive building. We can do that at a lower cost with a pre-engineered metal building that shares the same site but doesn't share those same critical infrastructure requirements that the essential services facility has. So, we reduced the overall square footage of

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the main facility to 43,744 ft, about 15,000 ft less than initially programmed, and moved some of those ancillary storage components out into this secondary building um at 4,500 ft². So, we were able to to more effectively

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utilize different construction methodologies to deliver better value to the town of Falmouth. Just wanted to go real quick over some of the major components that make up this program that that all the different spaces that that are within here. And these are these are main sort of

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headings. There's spaces that fill out sort of within these. But we've got about 1,600 ft of public space. This is lobbies in community spaces and things like that within the building, public restrooms, areas where the public can come in, seek support, get help from an officer. Um, we've got the dispatch

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center. Um, so that has, you know, the call center and and various support spaces that that support that. We've got a records department. There's an IT department that maintains all the the in uh IT infrastructure within the facility. And because of the dispatch

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component, the evidentiary recordkeeping and and some of the digital files that they store, it it's a it's a very labor intensive uh and and component intensive uh part of the building. Uh we've got a community training room and support spaces that support that, similar to the

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one we're we're in now. Um that allow the officers to gain a lot of critical training to make sure that they're well outfitted for the future. um but is also a space that's a community amenity that the public can can utilize as well. Um patrol facilities. This includes report

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writing, their roll call space where they where they take assignments at each shift change. Um offices for for sergeants, shift commanders, lieutenants. Um we've got a traffic division that right now the existing police station doesn't have the facilities to support that division

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within the department. Um, we've got the investigative division, uh, with all the detectives, um, labs, things like that for assessing and analyzing evidence. The administrative division where the chief's office is, um, as well as his support staff. There's a community

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engagement division within the department itself. Then we've got various staff facilities. These include lockers, restrooms, break room, uh, and a fitness area. Um, we've got our property and evidence areas which are sort of required to be the

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size they are based on the amount of evidence that you are storing and you know that's those are statutoily required um requirements for how long you maintain that. Some of those are indefinite so that storage need continues to grow and grow over time. Um

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we've got our prisoner processing and detention facilities for anybody that's being arrested and detained and processed. Um, we have a uh vehicle storage bay that stores their SWAT vehicle and some of their SWAT uh equipment. Uh, we have a deescalation and firearms training uh room. So,

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that's not like a live firing range. That's a that's a simulation room that allows the officers to engage in real deescalation tactics where they're actually in a simulated environment where they can be given a a scenario that actually has happened out in the

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public and are tasked with sort of deescalating that in a simulation so that when they run across a similar similar situation out on the street that they can more effectively react to that. Um and then building services and vertical circulation, stairs, elevator, janitors, closets, things like that.

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That all totals about uh just over 33,000 square feet. Uh we then have a net to gross adjustment. So net square footage is everything within these walls. But then gross square footage includes things like corridors, the thicknesses of wall walls, things like that. On a police facility, that's about

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30% of the total building area. uh and that totals 43,744 square feet. And then I mentioned the outbuilding uh for 4,500 square feet which includes some evidentiary storage areas uh wash bay for washing the cruisers um as well as was additional

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storage that's been taken out of the main facility and put into this remote building. And that totals a total gross square footage of 48,244 ft. So again, just just a reminder on where we landed with staffing. This is sort of what we're basing a lot of the building

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program on. Looking at today's staffing levels of 88 individuals working within the facility, looking forward to a projection of of an ideal situation of 119 individuals within the facility uh for fiscal year 2029. And then ultimately, we don't build these

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buildings every 20 years. So, we need to plan for the future and make sure we're accommodating the growth of the community and the department over the lifespan of the building, which is at least 50 years. Um, and so we we map out that projection there as well. >> Um, sorry, I have a question about that.

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>> Sure. >> Um, so that's a pretty significant increase in 50 years to 150 total officers. Um, on what is that expansion based upon?

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>> So I would say it's not 100 >> or yeah maybe a misunderstanding. >> It's 106 sworn. It's 27 civilian. It's 17 dispatch. And when I we talk about dispatch, the communication center in this building, it's a separate department. So, we're bringing communication center with us. So, it's

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150 total employees. Uh the sworn is just 106. >> Okay. >> Chief, while you're there, can you help me understand why civilian triples when sworn officers go from 67 to 87 and then doubles again when we go from

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87 to 106 officers? on the study. Explain >> the 18 is based on the recent study and the the 27 is more of a projected uh based on what we had going forward. We had a 229% deficit. So we were trying to

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catch up with that reasonably across time. Most of these positions in the building will be in one office. We're already preparing for that. like record says, two people, we'll put six workstations in there in that one space. It won't be filled right now, obviously,

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but in the future, as it's needed, we'll grow. >> I I just I guess I I'm I'm curious because um I think in it's expanding in in all regards. And I was doing some reading about population trends for Falmouth. Um because the police staffing

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studies actually goes counter to some other town endorsed studies recently. >> Population is really not a great measure to use because population is a static number. Yes, we need to serve that amount of people. But all the numbers I went over crime, square miles, road

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miles, these are all important factors to look at because the workload that the officers are are actually doing is comparable. Like if you like we're we're not Boston. They have an incredible workload. Ours is obviously less. But

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with a static population, you can't correlate it just to the population. While we did use 87 to be fiscally responsible, 87 is the lowest number I used. >> Okay. >> And that's based on population. >> I think my maybe then my push back is more towards that 50-year projection

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that we're going to need 106 sworn officers. like all of the respectfully all of the data show that potentially by 2050 the population of Fmouth according to >> well again >> is is potentially 10,000 people less >> again you don't want to base it on population alone you have to use all the

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different factors and even if you said okay we'll do 106 there's no office space that they need the the officers that would mark on that there are in a locker room or a roll call room they're not >> but they're also going to be collecting a salary from the town of Fmouth.

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Correct. >> Well, that's different than the building project. >> Yeah. >> Well, but these are tied together in my mind, right? If we're going to build a building, we need to be able to afford to pay the individuals who are going to work in that building, even if they're not necessarily requiring additional office space.

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>> No, a good question, but I suspect we would revisit that in a few years. >> And just real just real quick, um just so you know, we're really not a 67 officer police department right now. um the overtime, the amount of work that we

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put in all year long, but especially now, we're tired right now. We need help badly. We are severely, I am telling you, underst staffed. It's it's bad. And you know, you can put overtime at us, but after a while, you know, having to tell your staff, hey, by the way,

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everyone's working road race, you're all working Fourth of July. We need space. So, we've taken a lot of these rooms, just so you know, we can go offline and talk about it and made it so they have multiple uses. By law, we have to have a certain room um from others, right? Um

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and I've talked to the staff about what else can this room do. So, I talked to some other chiefs. They have an area where officers can decompress. We're going to use it for that. I talked to the Shuy police chief. He's got a lot of Muslim officers um where he uses the rooms. They can pray uh facing to the

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east. So all these things we're saying is we're planning for the future for growth. Um and if we never get to to 106, that's fine. This station, even now, there's not a lot of extra space. Yeah, we have a traffic division. We need a traffic division severely. We

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need to have that community engagement unit. You know, there's certain spaces that we have in here that aren't going to be filled right now, but I'm hoping they're filled within my time and that we have enough space to add officers overtime. traffic alone, I could have three or four people just assigned strictly for traffic, dealing with all

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the accidents and everything else. So, we need that space and that's one of the things we'd cut, you know, and I don't want to do that. So, I can tell you right now, I know the town manager doesn't like to hear me say it. I think we should be at 100 now, but we can get the job done at 87. And if we get there, great. And if we don't, hopefully

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someday, you know, you have the space to do it. And to not do it right now will be a sin. I come from the town of Westbrow. Seven years they've been in that building and it's too small. Seven years I inherited that project. I want to make sure this project going forward

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we do it right at a responsible cost which is why we made so so many reductions. So I know I'm a little passionate about it but these gals and these guys they work so hard. They deserve a state-of-the-art facility that we can afford uh but that will meet the needs for the department for at least

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next 30 40 50 years. Just my opinion. And no one can ever say hopefully this is taped that I didn't advocate strongly when people complain well we had the opportunity to build a station for s for a and now we have to spend double that to make the expansion needs possible and

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I'll stop there because it's late >> I I I think point being that some of these numbers feel skewed in a way with increases over time but part of that is the staffing catching up to where they should be today. They're severely understaffed as we as we speak today.

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So, even though it seems like we're increasing the number of staff within the facility a lot over time, it's getting you back to where you where you need to be. And I think like like you said, population, I've seen some studies that show some some small declines in the population over time, but you have

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to consider who's living here full-time or are some of those people that are leaving turning their homes into Airbnbs and rental properties and things like that. What does that actually do to the actual people that are here? Not necessarily the residents that are living here and and and making sure to account for them. Because just because

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people aren't living here doesn't mean that there's not crime or things that the police department needs to be managing and dealing with. So, we wanted to do a comparative analysis to show what building for today versus building out for the future actually costs and in what if we were to

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throttle back and take out the 50-year projected uh staffing accommodations, what that would actually save in terms of project cost. So on the left side we have uh uh sort of a uh the first box

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here is assessing uh the next three years. What we would what the what the chief and what the staffing studies outlined is the growth uh requested to uh fiscal year 29. And you can see the different officers that they are that they are looking to put uh into the new

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building and the associated square footage associated with each one of those officers. So, there's one lieutenant um that we have an office for within the design that isn't currently on staff. Four sergeants, one community engagement officer, three detectives, uh

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a traffic officer, and 10 patrol officers. Um in the associated square footage with each of those. So, certainly any command staff comes with a private office. So, there is uh some some square footage associated with adding that office. 150 ft for a

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lieutenant, 140 for a sergeant. Um, but a majority of it is really in the patrol officers and really the only thing that the only space they require beyond everything else that's associated with the building is that locker space that takes up about 20 square ft if you're including the locker and the clear aisle

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space in front of that. That totals about $1,430 square ft. Um, using about $900 per square foot, which is a was a general average for a cost per square foot for a police station, we're looking at a savings of $1.2 2 million if we

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were to cut all that program out. If we were to take that out and then build it in three years when we need it based on the staffing study projection, escalation would increase that cost to $1.5 million. Similarly, the column on the right, this is additive to the column on the left,

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these are the additional officers shown in the 50-year uh projection. um two captains, two lieutenants, one sergeant, one commu uh community engagement officer, two detectives, one more person in the traffic division, and 10 more patrol officers, equating to a total of

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1380 square ft of building program related to those staff. That equates to a savings, if we were to take that out today, of $1.24 million. And if we deferred that for 20 years and did an addition onto it, which all these spacers are scattered throughout the

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buildings, it would be very difficult to do that addition. Um, we we'd be we'd be that 1.2 million would would become 3 just under 3.3 million. So, if we were to build only for today, adding those two together, we'd be saving about $2.5

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million out of the $70 million project cost. Um but that deferred cost could equal um you know almost $5 million in in deferred cost. Um if we did that further than 20 year a 20-year projection that would continue to

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escalate it a compounded interest rate of about 5% per year. Um, so there's a summary that that sort of highlights a little bit of that uh with the anticipated staffing levels, the total project cost based on those reductions, and then the total project cost

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escalated if we were to go ahead and defer some of that work. Uh, just a couple of other comparisons. We wanted to compare the square footage of the building based on some of the similar metrics that um, Captain Dcasta had went over. So this is again looking

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at square feet by of building by the population. Um and you can see here that the the two projects on the Cape Mashpian Falmouth certainly have a higher square footage based on the population in which they serve. Um this is typical of coastal communities because you have that summertime

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transient population. there's an increased level of crime because of that increase in population during the summer months and and and and therefore you have a larger police department based on uh that population and a larger Yes.

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>> Didn't we just hear that population is not anything that we should be factoring in? >> No, but I that that's correct. I >> mean that's what we heard. What we said is that's not the sole basis that you should base anything on, but something that is certainly worth analyzing and understanding.

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>> And just again, Melrose, PBD, Westfield, these were based on recently built or soon to be built. >> Correct. >> Uh here's a here's a similar here's another comparison. This is square feet of building based on crime rate. And and

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what you'll see here is that Falmouth is is sort of at the bottom based on square footage of the building based on the uh annual rate of crime per officer. Um uh and then this is a similar comparison

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based on patrol area. Um, you can see the square footage based on the uh the actual geographic area of Falmouth significantly lower than than just than everybody on this on the spreadsheet except for Westfield. Uh and lastly, just a just a cost

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comparison to to to demonstrate where we are um financially based on um based on town's population. Um and looking at cost per square foot, um you can see Melrose, you know, $1,52 per

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square foot. Um number of them sort of similar. And then Falmouth, right now we are right around $1,451 a square foot. And what I'll say is that shows Falmouth slightly higher as a cost per square foot than some of these other communities analyze. And the reason

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there being is a majority of the other ones on this sheet here are using the bid number that they got from from their actual contractor. Ours is the estimated value. So when we run our construction cost estimate, the estimator is trying

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to get us a value that can be uh bid and and supported within sort of a funding mechanism to say, "All right, this project's going to cost $70 million. We can take that to town meeting that we can go out to bid and that cost will be less than what we have estimated at." Right? The estimator is not here to win

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the job. He's there to show to shoot for the middle of the pack. And based on the past 18 months or so of construction bid pricing for public safety projects in the Commonwealth, we've been seeing anywhere from 8 to 15% savings on bid day. Um because it's a highly competitive construction market right

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now. So that 1451, that's really what we would see is the ceiling and we would we would expect to see anywhere from 5 to 15% of uh value less than that when we actually bid the project out. So, we're showing you the ceiling and we're expecting it to be closer to the floor

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when we ultimately get it. And that's the value of taking that bid number to town meeting so that we know that we're not just in the ballpark, but well below where we're anticipating to be the crime rate. >> Sure. >> Just wanted to show the difference in

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crime rate from Falmouth to Mashby. So, take the population away 15,000 people compared to 33 34,000. They have 39 officers. Their buildings come in at 38 million. Um, but that just shows you how much busier we are dealing with crime.

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Never mind half the population. I think it all does equate. Their summer population goes to 30,000. Ours swells to over 100. We have 67 officers right now. We're working with 66. They have 39. So, and they're much

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quieter than us and much smaller than us. And their square miles are much smaller than us. Just want to point that out cuz people have said, "Well, how can Mashby do it for 38 million?" They they're not. We're over double their size. So, just wanted to give you an update on the progress of the design real quick

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and then we'll turn it over to questions because we're going a little late here. Um, so this is a zoomed out view of the parcel. Brick Road is to the left. Um, Ticket Highway is is off to the right. Um a and effectively we're we're still maintaining keeping as much of our

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development as as far towards Brook Hill and up to the north uh as we can. Uh you can see the lift station project right here and then our our access roadway that that transexs the site and and heads out to Route 28 um which is being built directly on top of the shoreline

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that's that's being constructed for the lift station. So that our limit of of site clearing through there is already going to be is actually already done by the lift station project that's concurrent. Zooming into the site, um few changes, one major change we've made

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to the to the site plan design since the last time we presented it here at the select board is we really focused on creating um a really nice sort of entry sequence for the public entry sort of plan south. um giving a little bit of a

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sense of of there there a sense of place um in in sequence and and really making this um architecturally sort of blend with with the area a bit. Um we've also realigned the staff entry. There was some public comments about this being

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directly across from a number of of of residents. And so we we've realigned that roadway so that it it sort of lines up with the intersection that's being created uh with the housing development that's being constructed directly across the street. So we're we've been meeting with neighbors. We're we're trying to be

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good stewards to the community uh along road. And we've also had a series of meetings with the contractor and and engineers on the lift station project that have been coordinating well with them as well. Um, these are some updated renderings of

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what the building could look like. Um, really trying to play up the the sort of cape feel of of the architecture with with with uh with shakes. Um, little bit of a stone base um at the front of the building and then we're popping a series of dormers out of the second floor. So

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the roof structure just like a like a like a cape is is kept down at a lower scale, but by utilizing the dormers, we're able to to create a lot of usable space on that second floor for for a lot of the officers. Uh this is a view uh looking across the the roadway to the

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main entry of the police station. Um we've pulled the roadway back from the building so that we get a nice standoff zone so that we can protect it from anybody trying to drive a vehicle into the building. We've also created sort of an artificial dune in in the front of the building that we're going to be burying gabbing walls within so that

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they'll act as a vehicle barrier, but they'll look like a like a natural Cape Cod landscape with with um natural grasses and things like that. Uh we've been working with DPW and the park superintendent on the landscaping theme for this. Making sure that it's it's

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maintainable, isn't going to overburden or overt tax them, but is also attractive in a in a place that that feels comfortable and feels like Falmouth. Uh and lastly, this is a view as we approach the main entry of the building, which is which is through that porch

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area just to the front. Um, if you go to the police station now, just to the right as you're um before you go into the entry, there's a little plaza area with a with a lectturn in a series of memorial stones honoring um fallen officers and in and major events and

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things like that. Um rather than have that off to the side, we're actually incorporating that into the sequence as you enter the building. So, um, through this walkway, what we're calling the memorial walk, those stones will be reset into these sight walls. They act

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as as a way to to these sight walls act as a way to separate you from vehicular traffic, but also protect the building from anybody wanting to do harm or anything like that. um and gives this building a little bit of a sense of sense of entry, a little bit of a park feel as as you enter it. And um really

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an attractive uh attractive space in in comforting and environ and and inviting. You know, police stations are kind of scary places for the general public to walk in on a on a regular basis. So, we want to make sure that you feel like it's a comfortable place that you can come in, have a conversation, seek some

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aid if you need it. Um that is it. So, I will take any questions, comments. >> Mr. Brown, >> that stonework looks pretty nice. Is that already kind of figured into the budget or it's just a concept? >> It is. Yes.

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>> Okay. >> Other questions? >> No, I like the design. I like the report. It's good. >> Yeah. Really like the um architectural approach. Um, I think it's it's really appealing and as you said, really does

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um pay homage to traditional um architecture in the the area and it looks beautiful as a rendering. Um, it's been a while since we had an update. Um, and I'll admit I was away for a few weeks so I may be rusty, but I

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thought we'd gotten a cost estimate update that had dropped the cost and now we're back to 70. So, what what happened there? Did I miss something? So, we're we're still maintaining our ceiling at at the moment. We have two more cost estimates to run and then

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ultimately the bid. So, you know, we'll continue to refine that budget over time. We'll update you with the next cost estimate when that comes in. But we're not we're still early enough in the process where I don't think we want to go and and start changing the overall ceiling of the total project cost until

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we get more detailed estimates, which we'll have uh at the end of September and then again in in January. So, >> okay. >> They they'll continue to be refined, but you're correct in in the first estimate that we received a couple of months ago did show favorable pricing.

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>> If I may just add one detail to that, one of the one of the reasons that we made that decision also is because we're looking at geothermal as a a potential approach which has an upfront cost which would be in addition to that $60 million um construction cost. And that's

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something we're we're still looking at what the return on investment looks like if it's got a really strong return on investment. You know, it's it's going to be a good it could potentially be a good value, but that's one of the reasons that we didn't want to, you know, lower that ceiling and promise that the new number is going to be below 65.

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>> If I could, I wonder if there's been much thought about um using a gas fire for dead of winter rather than all electric. So, as currently planned right now, uh, for a couple of reasons, we're we're

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100% all electric building. We are not bringing a gas service into the facility. Um, and and one of the main reasons why we're doing that is to maximize the incentives back from the utility company. Uh, last year, um, state legislature pass legislature passed a new law that basically says if

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you bring gas into a new construction that you are now ineligible for any incentive programs. So in order you know in order to maximize those we are we are staying all electric. We we can probably to your point electric heat pumps have

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le less efficacy during low temperature winter months when it's below 20 degrees things like that. So we will have backup resistant electric boilers to supplement during those you know harshest of of of days. But >> but yeah, we are we are right now not

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anticipating bringing any gas in to the project. >> How many systems do you have to have to go all electric? I mean like sometimes in a house if they want to go all electric they got to have two separate

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uh heat heating systems because the limit of BTUs that can be produced. So e even if we had g for a building this size even if we were utilizing gas fired appliances we would still probably have redundant systems that can run lead and lag um they run

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more efficiently that way. It reduces downtime if there's ever a maintenance issue or anything like that and it and it extends the lifespan of that equipment. So >> Miss Klein and then noting the time you want to move on. Um just a a big picture comment. I want to first say that um you

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know if my earlier questions came across as not supportive I have had nothing but positive interactions with the F police department and they've actually helped me out on several occasions in ways that I very much appreciate. Um I'm thinking through beyond presenting this to the select board this will go to town

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meeting and this will go to the voting public of Falmouth. And based on conversations that I've been having with both town meeting members and members of the public, I think that that it's going to be a really tough sell at this price tag uh to pass that because I was, you

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know, doing some preliminary number running here and and it's as we all know folded into these other capital projects and and I I if I were in your shoes, I would be thinking very carefully about what is the appetite of the Falmouth

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voter to pay for a project um of this expense. And and I based on again what I've heard from folks I've talked to about this project, I'm not sure that that appetite is there. >> I'm going to jump on that as well. I'm hearing the same thing. My concern has

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always been um that this has been an all or nothing and we're not given any plan alternatives with pros and cons of if we do this, we got a little bit of a square footage like if we take this off, it's going to cost more to add on later. But for me, when we're working to justify

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this number, cuz it goes from us, you know, to all those different voting, um, we have to justify and when I look at the staffing assessment, it looks to be an internal document that lacks independent validation or like a

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community. We hired you, chief, to to stabilize, recruit, pay more, and grow and or or get this this uh new station. And yet at the same time we I feel like we're going to be at a crux when we go

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to town meeting that the price tag is going to pit everybody against each other um regarding the policing needs and we're you know you're up in front of us right now but um we have

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squishy comparison metrics. Um the benchmarking is interesting. It's against n national standards. I don't want to go tip by tip, but here it's it's it's hard for me to justify in front of everybody and it's going to be

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a it's going to be an uphill battle justifying that cost. And I know we have looked at the override schedule, but this is the same thing that we're battling with the next subject area of the library, which is the next thing regarding our 10-year operation plan, which is the same thing. We're looking

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at operational and capital and all this together. Yet in this presentation, it's only capital and we got zero on how much it's going to cost to bring in 10 officers, let alone 20 at a time that we're projected

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to run deficits. >> So, here's what I'm going to ask of all uh board members is if you do have questions, concerns, and and things that you think would make this presentation stronger that make would make the case stronger. Um, and Chief, I'm going to

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put you out there. please reach out um to to the chief. Please reach out to Mr. Dlo um so that those concerns can be addressed and uh we can make sure that we're making the strongest case possible uh to town meeting and to our voters.

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>> I I think we should face the fact that we're say operating at a deficit of officers right now and that's something that as you know nobody really wants to talk about that but they're doing more with less every day. Yeah, we completely agree, but we can't afford more for

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anybody. DPW is operating at a lot. >> This is why we're doing an assessment of what the real cost of running this town is right now so we can get the right number and figure it out. >> And that's why I brought up MASHP having their population so much less, their crime rate so much lower, and they have

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70 something officers. We're at 67. Um, and all I'll say is this. Um, I I hope the town supports this. I I think it's the the right move. I hate to have to go back to the town and say we need more design money because we have to start from ground zero again. But I just would

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say I would hate there have to be a tragedy to affect change and to affect this project moving forward. I'd hate to see cuz I am telling you we are busy. I the town manager asked me very briefly um the Newport the Ocean Beach Newport

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mayor from California Newport Ocean mayor called me because she found information that how did we thwart a teen beach takeover. So someone from California heard this probably some fusion center or whatever and how overtime making forcing people to work

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and thank thank God for the rain right I mean this is the reality that we are dealing with where I got a mayor from Orange County California 100,000 people 400 arrests over three days asking me how'd you do that chief this was Sunday an hourong conversation Sunday so I am

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just saying we need help both operation ationally staffwise and I don't think we cut this we cut this square footage down what by what we wanted to what we needed and I I I hate to say there's a cost to it but I I apologize um I want to thank

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the team I want to thank you know Boyd my internal team for all the hard work they done and we've worked really hard on this and and hopefully the town sees that and and supports us knowing that we're asking a lot we we know that but what we're in now I mean his office, my

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deputy chief's office, my office, Kristen's office. I mean, just like town hall, we're flooded this weekend. We cannot stay there. Um, so anyway, I'll leave it with that. Thank >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um, next item is discuss and consider a vote to place on the ballot

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of the November 3rd, 2026 Massachusetts general election a debt exclusion for the costs of design and construction of a new East Famouth library at 310 East Famouth Highway. Mr. Wshaw. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. I believe our library director Brian Stokes has a

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presentation slide. >> Is there a reason that you comment on that? >> It was a discussion only, not no vote and we are an hour and a half behind schedule. >> Plenty of time to talk. >> It's just a PDF.

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>> Just PDF. Is there a full screen option? >> I don't know. there. >> You can you can X out the box on the top left. >> Um >> the tools the tools menu. Yeah. >> So, Oh, yeah. Okay. Good enough.

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>> All right. Uh good evening. Uh Brian Stokes, library director, Felmouth Public Library. Uh and we are here tonight uh with an update on these Felmouth uh branch library project. Um and I'm joined by some project professionals here. Conrad Elo from Odinella Architecture and Jennifer

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Mcgory from CHA. Uh oo sorry that is sensitive. Uh the purpose of tonight's discussion uh just to bring you up to speed on May 22nd 2026 this year uh the town was notified that the East Felmouth Library project uh had been awarded a

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provisional Massachusetts Board of Library Commissioners construction grant significantly earlier than anticipated. We expected uh this grant to come online sometime in 2028. Uh so we're about two years ahead of schedule. The provisional

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grant award amount approved by the MBLC on July 9th accelerates the timeline of the program requires us to advance some key funding decisions over the coming months. And under the MBLC's grant requirements, the town must secure voter approval for local project funding by

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April 30th, 2027 in order to accept the Commonwealth's construction grant and remain eligible for funding. Tonight's request of you is uh we are seeking your approval to petition the Commonwealth to place a debt exclusion question for the

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East Falmouth Library project on the November 3rd, 2026 ballot, allowing Felmouth voters to determine whether to authorize local funding necessary to unlock the state's construction grant. Bringing you over the past few years,

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I've been here a number of times talking about this. This is a pretty brief rundown. In 2023, we first came here um to uh seek approval to submit a letter of intent to apply for the Massachusetts Public Library Construction Program grant round. Uh we had completed a

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communitywide library need survey of uh for the East Felmouth Library and we also completed an existing building conditions assessment uh with Gail Associates. uh the assessment concluded that the building's outdated systems, code deficiencies, and overall condition

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made renovation of that building uh infeasible. So in 2024 uh after a few community outreach uh opportunities and engagement uh we applied for the uh MBLC's planning or uh the MLCP uh

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planning and design grant. uh in 2025 we were notified that we did uh win that grant um and the East Felmouth Library Building Advisory Committee uh committee was formed by you. Uh the owner's project manager and architectural team

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were selected. Uh we continued public engagement. Uh the committee met uh bi-weekly for most of the second half of the year. Uh and then we completed the MLCP level of design uh package which had to be submitted to the state by the

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end of that year. Uh the materials were formally submitted to the MBLC uh for review and approval which we received in early 2026. So our package was approved. We were placed on that wait list for construction but then moved off that wait list much sooner than we

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anticipated. The provisional grant award uh was just made uh very recently. Um and so uh we also had to very quickly complete uh cost estimation and project bud budgeting on the project as well

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once we were notified that we were coming off the wait list. I'm happy to say that the state has awarded us provisional grant in the amount of $7.19 million for this project. At this point I'm going to turn it over to Conrad who's going to walk you through the rest. Thanks very much, Conrad Elo with

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Odinello Architecture. Um, just building on what Brian is saying and and looking at the next three three and a half years ahead. Um, 2026 now we're at this position where we have a a total project budget and um a an

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award amount from the MBLC. Uh, we're hoping to get your approval to move forward to put this on the ballot in November. I think the first uh vote or the first approval is to vote on the appropriation of funds in October at town meeting and then it goes on

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hopefully the state ballot as as a town vote on debt exclusion in November. um provided that there's an an approved project at that time in 2027, the MBLC would formalize a contract with the town

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and we would begin a design process that's the real design process in earnest. I'll we'll talk a little bit more about um design in in a in a in a minute, but um there's a 12-month design process ahead that would begin in 2027. It would wrap up with construction

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documents finishing up in early 2028. Uh at which point the library would relocate operations to the main library I believe um for a temporary hasn't been decided. Um at that point the uh existing facility would be abated. There's some hazardous materials in it

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and demolished and then construction would begin in earlyish uh uh spring of 2028. completed construction roughly we're assuming 14 to 16 months for construction would be completed in the spring early summer of 2029. It would there'd be a few months of move in and

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then the anticipated grand opening would be sometime in fall of 2029. So that's the sort of three-year look ahead um process from here if if if there's a a positive vote to move forward at the end of this year. Um we do have some estimated costs as Brian said. We were

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uh once we were notified in in May that we we were moved up moved off the wait list and moved up in the order um the first order of businesses to provide a construction cost estimate and do some total project budgeting um in order for the MBLC to determine what their grant

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amount is and they have a whole formula that includes eligible cost in ineligible costs a need factor for the community of Falmouth a whole host of things that go into their formulas. um but they needed a a total project cost number. So we we uh brought on our a

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professional estimator to provide a construction cost for the project and then worked on internally on a on a total project budget which tallies up to 16.6 million. Um the grant award was based on that uh that 16.6 number and

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that's the grant award that Brian mentioned was just approved last week on July 9th of 7 roughly 7.2 million. there's an that uh that amount that award would be allocated over time. It it covers some some of the well covers

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all of the design costs and then covers some of the construction costs. So that would be distributed to the town over um a period of of of phases uh during design and construction. Uh but there's a second MBLC award which is the green

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library incentive which you get if you hit certain green building metrics which uh this building has budgeted for uh which would be another 215,000 that would become available at the end of the project. There's a whole review process to make sure that we're compliant with

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that. Um but that would be another you know 200,000. So it's about 7.4 million that would come from the state. Um, there are some commitments from library supporting groups that tally uh total up to three million. I believe two of the three groups have voted and committed a

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million dollars each. There's a third group with a a vote that's pending, but but the discussion has been around another million from from that group. Uh so that would be another three million that would come into the project uh from from outside uh groups. uh which then

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when you you know back all of those numbers out uh the obligation to the taxpayers of the town of Felmouth would be 6.2 million which is um you know a fraction of the of the larger uh total project costs.

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Um just uh this is our last slide and I'll I'll try to keep it brief but this touches a little bit on the issue of design. I know uh Mr. Brown, you're you've been very vocal about or outspoken about how important it is that we we give a fair shake to design and thinking about the architectural

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character of of Falmouth and and we're committed to doing that. I just want to remind folks that you you guys voted in December of last year to approve putting forward that MPLCP level of design application to the MBLC which we did and which was approved and

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which has now been funded. Um but you also uh voted to um to instruct the uh library building committee uh along with the design team to to work with the community and work with the select board on a design going forward. So we're

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we're committed to that. We're committed to a transparent and inclusive process going forward. Um and I just want to reiterate that the the work that was done last year was really planning focused. It was programming, you know,

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site feasibility and building planning. Those were those were really that was over the five months of design with the committee. That was our primary focus of work. Um the the design it it did need to kind of represent a building. So we had to we had to produce massing and and

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elevations and a kind of architectural character. But those are the things that the MBLC carries cares least about and those are the things that we have the most latitude to to develop in the in the months ahead. So come January 2027 when schematic design starts in earnest

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that's the opportunity for us to re-engage you re-engage the community. Um what's important now is is you know if the if the community wants to accept this this state funding it's important to get a yes vote to move it into that next phase. But there's a lot of

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opportunity to to to look at the design in different ways. Um uh the second point, I think Brian covered that is basically we've got the provisional grant award amount that that came uh was voted on and approved by the MBLC on

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July 9th. Um I I mentioned uh yeah the the the grant uh requires certain things to be uh fixed like building programming, building planning and building square footage. number of parking stalls. It's another stickler on in their list. Um but the design

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decisions, the architectural character, um that really would begin in in 2027. Um so, uh that's all we have contingent upon a successful vote. You know, that's when the 12-month design process starts

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uh in January. So, that's our update. I know um Peter I think you have some some more detailed information about the construction cost estimate that was provided and some other things that I'm sure you've made you've given to the uh select board

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members. >> Yeah. So there there's a um the total project costs are detailed out in a um attachment that you have in your packet. I you know g given the hour happy to discuss that another time. Um, but I did

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just want to reinforce that uh we we we do have a tight timeline here. The in order to get a dead exclusion ballot question on the November state election ballot, we need to transmit that vote, they need to receive a hard copy

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by August, I think it's August 5th. Um, it's that first week of August. So, um, doesn't we don't have to have the vote tonight, but we do need to have the vote if not tonight at the next meeting. >> Okay. Excellent. >> Are there questions?

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>> Uh, I just want to remind what we agreed to was the onetory concept, the programming, the floor plan, all the minimal things that we needed to approve. And we did ask you guys to do some more community feedback. There's been no more

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meetings. I understand you just got the news in May, but I really would like to even before you have the design money, I would really like to get a little more community feedback and and see if I'm right about my take on the the East

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Fmouth people wanting something a little more traditional. I think you could easily do that without a budget. just have a couple more meetings and just invite people and say let's talk about this and show the old building, show the new one, show you know some other examples. Just asking

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>> not ask I'm not trying to hold up anything. I just >> Yeah, certainly we we anticipate having more community meetings. Um the right time to do that would be when we launch schematic design. The first half of 2027 is really the time to influence that

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design process. If there's if it makes political s good sense to to meet with the community in advance of a vote, I I think that's something we can discuss. I don't that's not really for me to decide. But um >> You mean in advance of a vote tonight?

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>> No, no, in advance of a a vote in November. Okay. If if you wanted to have those kinds of discussions. No, certainly not in advance of time. >> Anything can happen. >> Yeah. So just just want to remind you here in our public meeting that you know I really wish we had you know your cost

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estimates based on the preliminary design that you had. So now in a sense we're somewhat tied to that in some ways. >> Yeah. But I think I think there's enough latitude in that conceptual design to reshape what it looks like. Um

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the things that are in there important things like the infrastructure, the utilities. We've got on-site renewable energy and some solar panels that are part of the project. We have a high energy envelope. Those things really matter and are still >> they do, but I mean the basic concept

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you have is a single shed roof whereas a traditional roof is, you know, two sides. That's a whole different >> Yeah. But I mean there's I I feel like there's enough flexibility in that budget to to do a pitch roof. If we want to do a pitch roof, then then we've got

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money for that. There's a lot of impacts to the the the the basic design, but I'll take you at your word. >> Mr. Reed, do you have a question? >> Yeah. Um, this might be more for Brian.

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Um, we had three or four communities bow out in front of us and it puts us right up in front. I'm guessing they're facing the same fiscal respon uh challenges that Falmouth is facing. So, um, we're

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deciding that we're this is a like we've gone ahead, but can you just please remind us as like why this is a mustdo right now given all of the financial stuff that we have to weigh as a select board that are all before us like a police station like this? Why is this a

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musto and what happens if we don't do this? >> Yeah. So, uh, the assessment that we did in 2023 identified about $3.1 million worth of, um, work that needs to be done on the present East Felmouth Library, which was constructed as a private home

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in the 60s and sold to the town in 1971 for the equivalent equivalent of a million dollars today. Served admirably as a library since then, but it is a private home and there are problems with it. uh that you know the problems to fix

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them would exceed the fair cash value of the building. In addition, doing that work would trigger ADA compliance. The building is not ADA compliant. So, uh you already have a a building that's not efficient. Uh the the amount of square footage that's actually used as a

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library in the building is not high and would get smaller. I >> So if you want to have an East Felmouth library, this one's not going to serve that purpose much longer and we need to do something now. >> So that's the that's my question. Yeah. Why why why

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is having an East Falmouth library an absolute must from your perspective? >> Sure. >> Because you have to look at all of your libraries and other places like the affformentioned towns are consolidating to a single one. Mhm. >> Um why and and I'm in favor of having

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libraries. I don't want I just we need to have that justification cuz we are going to the town >> to ask for their money. So for the public record, why does East Falmouth need a library and library services? >> In my personal opinion, the geography of

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Felmouth and the positioning of the libraries within the town, there's a heavy concentration of libraries on sort of the western side of town. You've got North Felmouth Library, West Falmouth Library, Woods Hole, the main library downtown, and then a pretty significant stretch out to East Felmouth where uh

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there's the East Falmouth Library. Now, you know, there's a significant growth of population in that part of town specifically. Uh also, the East Felmouth Library, despite its deficiencies, is very well used. it exceeds uh the median uh across the state for branch library

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in terms of pretty much every metric uh patron visits circulation. Um and that's despite having fewer hours than most of those branches do. So it's a wellused and well-loved facility that uh you know I think is is really important to the

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fabric of East Felmouth. Um, so I think that uh, you know, whether or not you think we have too many libraries or not, we I think we can agree that we need one there. Um, and I think I think we've made a pretty persuasive case for that. >> Thank you for that. >> Yeah,

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>> I might put an extra point on that and say it's our densest, lowest income, highest need, highest percentage of families. I personally would be embarrassed if I had to explain why we have four other libraries and we don't have a library there to serve that population.

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Exactly. >> If there are no other questions, uh, I would entertain a motion. >> I'll make the motion to place the following question on the November 3rd, 2026 state election state general election ballot. Shall the town of

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Felmouth be allowed to Do I have to read the whole thing or can we do it? I'm sorry. >> Yes, please. >> All right. Shall the town of Falmouth be allowed to exempt from the provisions of uh Proposition 2 and 1/2 so-called the amounts to require the amounts to

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required to pay for the bonds issued in order to pay costs of the demolition of the existing East Felmouth Library and pay for costs of design and construction of a new library at the existing site located at 310 East Felmouth Highway, including without limitation

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landscaping, paving, utility, and other site improvements, storage, and moving expenses, furnishing and equipment, and all other costs incidental or related here to question mark. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Yep.

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>> Any further discussion from the board? >> Nope. >> Hearing none. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Okay, I think I saw everybody. It was unanimous. >> Anybody doesn't like libraries. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> We skip the 10ear cap.

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>> Yes. Okay. >> Um, sorry. I think you were out of the room. We skipped the capital plan. We'll come back. We're going to next meeting. >> Um, so, uh, next item is, uh, the grant of license to Pensand Road Trust for a

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sign. Uh, I'm going to propose that we, uh, postpone that, uh, to the next meeting. Do we have >> The attorney is here, >> Mr. Nickerson's. >> Okay. Um, I guess we can and thank you for staying. Okay. Um, we can go ahead and consider my understanding from the

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recording of the last meeting was that it was the the intent of the board that this license be conditional upon the removal of all previous unpermitted signs. And uh, Mr. Wrench, I'll throw it over to you for introduction and update. I'm not sure we've met that >> yet. And I'll be quick. Uh, so two weeks

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ago in the last select board meeting, uh, you approved a variance for the sign subject to a license agreement being drafted. Town council has drafted the license agreement. It's included in your packet this evening. spells out the terms for the privately owned sign to be installed on town property. Like all grants of licenses, the traffic advisory

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committee has reviewed and approved the request from Penzance Road Trust to install this new sign at the intersection of Barnack Road and Gaznald. We had that discussion a couple of weeks ago. Um this location allows for vehicles to safely turn off Barack Road and before it becomes a private road, gives them turn radius, not having

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to make a multi-point point turn. Um, importantly, um, a similar sign previously installed by the trust without town approval has not yet been removed. We had that discussion as well that there was a sign that was installed without approval. It has to be removed.

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Um, I can report that there was a sign, a resident reported that there was a sign attached to a a utility pole. That has been removed. So, we still have one sign um, uh, unauthorized sign that needs to be taken down. Um, the select board has asked tonight to approve the

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grant of license to allow the new sign to be placed on town property. >> Okay, Mr. Nickerson. >> So, good evening. Um, thank you, Mr. Wshaw. That essentially encapsulates the request. Um, there is a sign that's been there since from what I can see from

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some aerial photos at least the '9s. Um, we got a quote for that to come down on the 8th, which was last Wednesday. I think the board has that. They're prepared to take it down. This is really just a request um to permit the erection of the sign at that junction between Barnack and Gnold to provide a good

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turning radius and a chance for people to take a right onto Gausnold as opposed to having to back down Barneck or do a multi-point turn in the middle of Barneck which is kind of a narrow road. And so if uh permitted the sign would be erected there give people a chance to take a turn or alter their course in the

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safest possible way. >> Okay. the current um draft does not include that conditioning language. Um I'm curious of of board members if if that feels necessary and desirable

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um to have in the the license as a condition of the license. >> Uh yeah, you can just add that. I don't think we really need to hold this up. Yeah, >> it's a minor thing. >> Great. So >> agree.

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>> So grant of license but with the but with some language uh added for the condition that prior unpermitted signs be removed >> prior to the >> prior to the placement of the new sign. >> Okay. Okay. >> So moved.

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>> Second. >> Second. All those in favor? >> I >> I thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. discuss and consider a vote to approve fiscal year end transfers for fiscal year 2026. Mr. Wenshock, >> thank you very much. Um, as you all may know, the finance committee met last

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week, uh, July 9th, I believe it was, uh, to, uh, approve the, uh, this, uh, transfer request. So, just wanted to get that out there. If the board was not aware, the finance committee has approved. Town's fiscal end, as you all know, um, is June 30th. These year-end transfers are needed to cover unforeseen operating budget deficits that occur

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during the fiscal year and must by state law uh be approved by July 15th. So that's why it's important we get this on tonight's agenda and approved considered for approval. Transfers must be authorized by both the select board and as I mentioned the finance committee in accordance with Massachusetts general law. Um operating budgets as you all

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likely know um happen when expenses within a line item voted at town meeting exceed the authorized budget and that that was approved and set 18 months earlier. So these this happens it happens every year where we have to request these year- end transfers. The amount of a deficit is often only known after all invoices have been submitted

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uh for the year which then must be done no later than the first two weeks after June 30. Um and again the transfers allow the deficits within this uh one line item to be covered by surpluses in other line items. Failure to eliminate these operating budget deficits would result in a violation of Massachusetts

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Department of Revenue requirements. We do not want to be in that position. Finance Committee, as I mentioned, considered and approved the request of transfers at their meeting last week. Um, the total amount of the transfers this year is $410,635 represents 210 of a percent of the total

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FY26 uh budget of 173.9 million. Um, and uh, as is indicated in your packet, this total amount of transfers this year for FY26 is very similar to that in prior years. FY25, it was 30 $325,000.

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FY24 was about $727,000. So, we're right within the norm. And I would recommend the select board approve uh this fiscal year and transfer as presented. >> I move approval. >> Is there a second? >> I'll second.

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>> Second. I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? >> All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? >> I'm just chuckling because we're we're getting slower. We're I think we're getting faster. >> Well, we're getting slower responding to you.

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>> What? What' you say? >> Okay. Um uh amendments to the select board meeting schedule for 2026 and adoption of schedule for 2027. Um thank you uh Mr. Johnson for putting together uh this draft. Um, this is a little bit

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of a departure from past practice of doing the select board meeting schedule on a calendar year basis. Given that our elections are in May and everything else operates on a fiscal year, I thought it would make sense to shift that to a fiscal year schedule and we're trying to plan out those workshops. So, I wanted to get our our schedule uh for the

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coming year. Um, it's not set in stone, but um at least tentatively on the calendar. Um the decision points uh in front of us are uh in a few weeks. Um I would like to propose addition of a

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meeting on either August 3rd or August 10th. Um that would um allow us actually at our next meeting to still fully discuss the capital plan and have one more meeting before we need to transmit the capital plan um to

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uh to uh the FI finance committee. I'll be able to find words here hopefully. Um and so the question there is uh scheduling wise is there a preference from the board for either August 3rd or August 10th? 10th >> 10th.

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>> Okay. >> Um so uh consider that's the first amendment is add uh the August 10th date. Um I would propose in January, which is really the next time we have uh wiggle room and question marks in this proposed schedule. Um January 11th and

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25th instead of January 4th as we're just coming back from holidays. Um if that works for for folks um I would uh request that we keep all three meetings uh proposed meetings in March uh to

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allow us a workshop opportunity with just a select board. Um and then we need to uh nail down uh the town meeting date in April. Um, obviously this is not something we usually set this far in advance, but we

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did have a request um from Lawrence School to get some advanced notice on when the auditorium uh would be in use for the town meeting so that they could plan when it will be in use for the uh school play and some musical performances and that also helps us set

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the whole town meeting uh schedule running up to that. Um so I think there was a slight preference um from Lawrence school principal uh Mr. Bushy for the first April. Uh town moderator Mr. Vieira has said that he is available

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either of those dates. Um and so I think that's largely at the the will of the select board if there's a preference for one of those dates. If we keep it with the first one that's consistent with what it has historically been. But if there's a strong preference for the other date >> okay

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>> would be April 5th. April 5th. >> It's April 5th. >> I'd be fine with that. >> Okay. Um, so >> could you go back? Did we decide not to have a meeting on January 4th? >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. January 11th and 25th would be the January meeting dates. >> Okay. >> And then three in March. >> Yep. >> Okay. Questions, comments. Um, since we skipped the operating budget,

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does that also push back our 30-day review or is the 30-day review currently starting today even though we didn't question I haven't formally present or yet >> it was >> right. So, the charter requires that you transmit within 30 days. Um, and our

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>> I think the question is whether that starts tonight because it's in the packet. >> It technically does not. You can always submit it earlier than 30 days, right? Um so the question becomes if you need if if you want to hold it for 30 days then that takes you to um August 20 you

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know August 27th would would be probably >> 30 would that be 30 or 31? It's the same date but it's 30 days past September June. That's a 31day month. >> Yeah I um >> but we have a meeting we don't have a meeting on the 20. We have a meeting on

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the 17th. the finance committee was planning to receive um >> planning to receive this by August 17th and have two meetings per week in order to meet the the timeline. So

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>> I think we would still need to have it on the 17th because we're not currently planning a meeting until after the 27th of of August, >> right? We just agreed August 10th, August 17th, and then there wouldn't be a meeting until after that that

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deadline. But that does give us one more meeting, >> right? So we'll have we'll have July 27th, August 10th, and August 17th um if we need to consider and discuss >> before transmitting to the finance committee.

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>> Great. >> Now, just because we haven't officially transmitted it, they're still looking at it, right? there. >> Yeah. >> So, >> and they understand there may be some modifications. >> Uh, do I have a motion to adopt the uh

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FY 27 select board meeting schedule as discussed? >> So, moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I >> I thank you. Okay. So, um, that lines up nicely with announcing the October 2026 fall town meeting schedule. Do we

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actually need to read this list of dates that's in the packet or can we simply >> We can move it as presented. >> Okay. Um so this is for town meeting as we've previously announced on October 26th. Um with the process uh kicking into gear at our next meeting with

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proposed articles and as we just discussed transmitt of the uh capital budget in August. It might just be worth mentioning that uh the schedule calls for the warrant to close August 7th just because that's a publicly a date that's of some significance to the public.

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>> Yes, absolutely. Thank you. >> Uh do I have a motion? >> Town meeting would be the October >> October 26th. >> So moved. >> I'll second. >> Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor?

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>> I. >> Excellent. Okay, >> moving >> we are moving right through these um discuss and adopt select board committee liaison assignments. Um you know if there's significant discussion this is one more that we can push off. Um I

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think there was one more possible amendment uh that I could propose which is Mr. Reid um and Mr. Mscali if he would be uh Mr. Mscali interested in picking up the golf uh committee. Mr. Reed uh has said that he would

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relinquish that one trying to minimize his liaison commitments right now in his new fatherhood period. >> Sure, that shouldn't be a problem. Let's see. >> Yep, that no problem. >> And I'm picking up the historic commission.

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>> Let me get that up in front. >> Yes, you are. >> Yes. >> Okay. Just confirming I cannot have bike and pedestrian because it's a conflict that I'm uh married to someone who's on that committee. Is that true? >> Um

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I if you want to call me tomorrow, we can discuss it. I'm I'm not really >> I mean I don't mind you taking it. >> Well, because I didn't think I mean it feels like a good committee for I'm going to ride a bike home from here. >> I'm going to walk to my car.

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um you're going to you know if if that presents a conflict in any way um town council I will of course allow Bob to keep his connection to the >> bike and pedestrian committee. >> So um I just can't issue you an analysis

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>> right now. >> So we can we can hold a a vote on the liaison assignments until two weeks from now um to to work that out if you would like. Or should I say, "No, I shouldn't do that because I already have seven and that's enough." >> Yeah, >> you keep it, Bob. Excellent.

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>> Don't be nice to them, though. They're nice people. >> Oh, I've been on it before you. >> Okay. Do we have a motion? >> So moved. >> Yeah. What's the motion? >> Uh to adopt the select board committee liaison assignments as amended. >> I thought you just said you were going

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to wait. No, I said we could decline wanted us to she declined that offer >> enough as it is. >> All right, then let's do it. >> Okay, motion and a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? >> I I excellent. Okay. Uh future workshop

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and discussion topics. Um if you want to pass these down and I'll pass these this way. So, um, what's on this sheet of paper, apologies that it, uh, didn't make it into the packet, is simply a coalation, not in any way organized or

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prioritized of, uh, workshop and discussion and agenda topics uh, that I got from the four of you, as well as um, my own items. uh in looking through that list and Lynlin if it's of interest I can get you another copy print or or

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digital but um uh looking through the larger discussion topics uh I see a lot of alignment with our strategic plan goals which is probably a good and logical thing um and

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uh I didn't uh that list at the top is I think everything that was was uh suggested But I would say the strongest theme was um multiple members asking for joint meetings with um various committees. Um and some of those joint

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meetings would cover some of the topics below. Um and uh so what I'm planning to do is to take this larger list now that we have our meeting schedule. Um and where there are workshops that could or should be joint meetings with other

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boards uh to discuss large items. Uh we'll try to plan those joint meetings as we can. Otherwise, workshops um I will aim to uh theme around strategic plan goals with these um items incorporated and where there are

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stragglers, we will add those to agendas as we can. Um, if there are items on here that you see that you feel are particularly time-sensitive um or have a deadline, please let me know and we'll make sure uh to get that and I will work on getting to the board that um at least

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the board the select board only workshop uh proposed timeline uh in the next month. Scheduling the joint meetings may take some doing. So, are there questions, comments, cries of outrage?

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Okay, >> thank you for organizing our desperate thoughts. >> I you know what I think um they were not as desperate as as they might have been, which again I think is a good sign. Um there was a lot of overlap. >> It would be good to talk about the

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transportation improvement plan and if we're missing opportunities to like that example on Route 151 that actually get that whole bike path paid for by the transportation plan. We could do the same thing. we could connect all the way to bike path and northbound

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>> and we might be able to put together a workshop with talking about how we keep track of state legislation and also how we maximize grant funding kind of right thinking about how we connect to state and other funding sources. So yeah, we'll like I said where they don't necessarily clearly fall into >> motion to approve the minutes. Second.

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>> Okay, any further discussion? >> Seven new electric buses into service that are found with parking lots. We're adding new vessels to