[Music] [Music] that's f all right right it's the witching hour or the water quality management committee half hour whichever
we'd like to call it um we're going to we're going to work on getting through tonight's agenda fairly expeditiously um there's a pring meeting at 6 o'clock in West Falmouth and there's another one at uh 7 o' at 3 so
couple people want to may be able to get to there so um first item on the agenda is a pretty straight up and down um article we've never vote this board has never voted to support Article 15 um and I
think it's something we should do um I'll entertain discussion I move that we support you want to make a motion yes it simplifies it right go ahead I move that we support it as written okay then I'll second that motion but that then lays the groundwork
for the discussion then I'll open up I'm working on Robert's Rules of Order I read it I read it last week it's fascinating was written by an English need to get a life anyways uh it has to be to whether or not we should vote go ahead can I make
a I'm a little confused two weeks ago um I think you gave envelopes with names to call for people to support this article wasn't that like ahead of the game shouldn't you just vote first and then
do that and call people to support it he has ESP um so I think I just made a joke about Robert's Rules of Order so maybe I don't always go down the exact right path I distributed the names of town
meeting members to these board members for them to contact them to see if they had questions or concerns okay and in support of it I also have realized between them now that we've never taken a formal vote so that when people are on town meeting floorida say who supports
it who doesn't support it this Board needs to make make a formal vote yeah it would have been good to do that before calling town meeting members on the next phase of the sew is Hilder I'll make sure to do it ahead of time okay thank you Matt um I just wanted to say since we're
voting on this tonight maybe it's time that this board realizes that you know this article isn't ready maybe we should vote this down and rework this next phase of sewer I'm not against it I just feel like there's work
that needs to be done um I've been talking with mass D um we've heard this board and Amy LOL say multiple times especially during the design and construction engineering at the last town meeting where they said we
need to have a place to discharge this you're talking to the article I am talking to the article but but what we have in front of us is a vote of this board to support the article or not are you advocating that this board not support the article correct okay thank
you and then let me finish why so the town falmouth's Wastewater discharge permit calls out clearly that if the if the town of fouth is going to exceed need 80% they need to have a plan
submitted to mass D to explain to mass D how they're going to remediate not going over their 100% so I'm going to I'm going to advise you that it's not if it's when well the isn't this so the permit the permit I do believe I would have to
get a copy of it but I don't believe it says if I believe it says when when you exceed 80% you have to produce a plant but the point I'm getting at before I was interrupted is that the town of fouth already knows
with this section of sewering with the the discharge that they've added since the last section of sewering we're going to be at 88% and we haven't even calculated in the businesses yet so we're at 88% so we know this section of suing is going to
be 88% so part of a remediation plan with my discussions with with mass D would be the town would have to say we're not going to hook up any more properties but if we're at 88% and we're going to charge a
betterment to those homes and businesses and then we say oh we have we have too many properties we're going to we're going to ex we're going to exceed our discharge permit now you have to explain to properties that you already bettered that they can't hook into this
sewer so what I'm saying is we should find out exactly how many properties what percentile go to mass DP and say hey we want your approval to hook this many properties in since we we already know we're going to exceed 8 uh
80% that's that's my comment you can do with it as you wish but I'm just saying is this is going to come back to bite you in the ass and all the people in fouth I'm just asking you as this board protect the people of fouth and let's find out these answers before we sewer
thank you so Matt when we hit 80% we're very cognizant of the numbers you just you know articulated relative to flows when we hit 80% the town is going to notify DP and
provide them a plan for how they're going to address flows beyond the 80% we can argue about this all day we will we we will we'll either we'll either be in the midst of an outfall or we'll be in the midst of Permitting additional sand
beds that's where we're at okay so we are aware of the 80% requirement in the permit and the need to make sure that we manage the flows going forward yes go ahead
sure thank you um hi hey um Ron swag Precinct one um just following on what Matt was saying um um we will be um uh moving if this is approved according to miss LEL our
Wastewater superintendent uh if uh the Article 15 is approved we would begin construction the townwood according to the implementation plan in the fall at which point the sewer system would be
under construction the expansion into the Great Pond faced one and talking to whether or not we should approve to approve I'm just opposing us are you opposing us voting to approve
Article 15 I would say that again as Matt said I'm not opposed to the concept of it but we need not at this time but not at this time you think this board your your suggestion to this board is that we not
vote uh a recommendation to support Article 15 uh yes okay that's that's for the that's for one point okay so there a question that is the question on the floor whether we should support this or right okay but the the reasons that I
feel that this isn't the time to approve it the second reason outside of this one which is which is critical because if we start constructing something that we can't use then there's a problem the
next point is that the town um is measuring apparently the F phosphorus concentrations in the groundwater Downstream of the wastewater treatment facility and the concern about that it's
it's in the the discharge permit that the town needs to monitor that to see what uh levels and how it's changing because it could impact Downstream surface waters TR to follow you how does this relate to article like Crocker Pond or Herring
Brook and um I've written to miss loo three times in the past few weeks requesting that data to see what the trend is on the phosphorus whether it's going up going down what what's happening with it is it stable how does
this relate to Article 15 Article 15 is that you planning to discharge more water more treated affluent not more not not more than we're permanent though no no not more than we're permitted I don't know about that that I so if I'm a
developer downtown and I want to have 5,000 gallons of flow is it the same point you're trying to make no my point is this is Downstream of the wastewater treatment facility phosphorus is being emitted
from our waste treatment plant into the groundwater that is Flowing Westward toward Crocker Pond which is a freshwater Pond where phosphorus is a limiting factor to controlling water quality as well as
Herring Brook I'm really trying to get you back you're talking about the Wastewater plants discharges in Crocker Pond we're talking about Article 15 I'm trying to find the connection okay can I ask you a question where will
the affluent go from article from the construction of the Waste Water treatment plan under Article 15 this from from the construction under Article 15 and any other ongoing construction within the sewer service
area will be going to West Falmouth until such time as we hit 80% of our flow and have to come up with a revised plan whether it's an outfall or additional sand bits so so that's where we're at we have a permit what you're saying is basically you want the permit
to be Frozen at the number that it's at because of phosphorus which does get broken down in the soil stratum and that we've been monitoring for years you're you're you're hypothesizing something that I'm not sure exist no and that doesn't have anything to do with this article it does exist and it is part of
this article because it is an impact from the expansion it's more Wastewater treated Wastewater being entered the groundwater in the area that is to be monitored can you tell me what the
current phosphorous levels are at each well I'm not I'm not sitting here tonight no no you have to you need you need to know that say whatever you want to say when you get done we'll go to the next person and hopefully we'll get through the tonight's meeting I did not realize we were going to discuss
phosphorus to Crocker Pond tonight I don't see that on the agenda but now apparently it is well I'm talking about Article 15 Article 15 has a proposal to extend the wastewater treatment uh collection system into Great Pond phase
one is that correct sure okay will that increase the volume of affluent going to the wastewater treatment plant yes within the with yes no let me finish yes within the permit limit the the count is permitted to put a I'm not talking about
that point but no no but you're advocating that the town should not UTI their permanent volume to make a bet a difference in the estories to improve the health of the estories as soon as possible advate you're advocating not to do anything you're advocating not to do anything and to defer things so that the
estories don't get better in any way shape or manner while we worry about phosphorus to crock upon while we're still working within our discharge permit but the discharge permit says specifically that phosphorus is to be monitored what's your plan what's your
plan for making the EST better run you want my plan for make no the plan is would be that you don't want to cause harm and improve the estuaries in one place and cause harm in another place you have to trade off sometimes okay so
therefore you're we would possibly sacrifice the water quality in West Falmouth that's what you're saying I did not say that you said that no no no I you just said you said you have to trade off what all right let's keep it simple what is the tradeoff Steve I'm done say
what you want to say I'm asking questions you you've said that you would like this board not to recom not to vote to support Article 15 well now all I'm asking is just answer you're saying a tradeoff so we would be improving the water quality in great I'm not engaging
I'm not engaging in what ifs okay no I didn't say what if you just said it would be a tradeoff it'd be improving Great Pond and harming potentially the West Falmouth surface waters don't know that we're harming West Falmouth that's your
contention no no I'm saying my contention is the phosphorus level and quantities may increase to be harmful that's your contention and we do have the town collects data to look at that I I'm on the verge of ruling you out of
order because you're talking about something what ifs and you're talking about something that I don't have any information in front of me I'll tell you what I'll put I'll put you on a future agenda to talk about phosphorus okay would you like to be on a future agenda to talk about phosphorus if that's what you want
to talk about what I'm talking about is fulfilling the requirements under yes or no you want to be on a future agenda to talk about phosphorus that would be another thing to talk about besides this particular
article you you're saying there's a trade-off as long as the to knows that there's a tradeoff of improving as you said one area and possibly for harming the other as the the discharge permit
says is a risk okay I will take the position that putting the sewers in under Article 15 will improve water quality in a defined location I will take that position do you do you do you do you not believe believe that building the sewers
will improve water quality in portions of Great Pond I I I I assume that that that's the intent we haven't seen it in Little Pond yet but that's the intent and maybe it will work and maybe it won't this was a
yes or no question do you do you believe or not believe that building sewers in the area that are I don't know will okay because Little Pond has not improved yet after six7 years so the thing is is that
we have turn the I I don't want to sit here and argue with you R you want to give me a call go for a cup of coffee and argue with me give me a call okay all right okay so those all right so those are two okay maybe you've already talked about the financing part but I'll
let you the $50 million versus the 60 million that you're requesting the $50 million limit versus the 60 but you can I I'll leave leave that because I see you're I'm sorry you're upset this is a straightforward
procedural vote I allow people to have a chance to speak I try to keep people on topic you wanted to go to someplace else and and wanted to argue with me wrong I'm sorry anybody else care to comment sure Malcolm Malcolm Donald um can you tell
me what the uh projected increase in the annual wastewater treatment cost will be as a result of Article 15 no what do you mean no I cannot tell you what it will be oh can you get that information for us I don't know I I
could I could put it on my list of things to do and I've got nothing else to do well isn't doesn't that directly impact uh the passage of Article 15 it's very pertinent as from what I can figure okay I don't have that information can
you get that information I don't know okay and um what what will be the average cost to a homeowner to hook up to the Sewer Matt do you have the I you asked the same question and I responded to you
I gave you data from marav Vista do you do you have that one of my responses with you those those answers were incorrect that's from 15 years ago the the current data that I got you need to come to the you need to come to the
microphone so you got I just want to point out that you folks are being being argumentative about the substance of this article whether or not we're not trying to argue here we're just trying to get some information and I mean you work for us and no I'm a volunteer I do
not work for for you okay you volunteer your times here on this committee excuse me and and and I work for the for the board of Selectmen but I have provided an opportunity for people to speak and I am getting a little frustrated because some of you tend to abuse that and and
and I would like to stay on topic get through this meeting and and get out to the precent meeting well I'm sorry you you feel that way Steve that the public you know asking questions that are pertinent to this section of sewering so they can make an educated decision about
an article that is going to consume onethird of our Town's Capital project budget so yes some of these questions might be annoying to you but not to the homeowners that this is going to affect now your your answer when you brought
you asked me a question specifically I'm going to I'm going to address that question specifically so yes I I sent a list of questions of 28 questions to this board to be answered you answered them to the best of your ability but your an some of your answers are
incorrect you referenced the installation cost from the last section of sewering which was $15 years ago as all of us know the price of materials labor and everything has gone up the most recent numbers were from a Cape Cod
Chronicle article that I took the answers from they said a sewer hookup with a grinder pump was going to cost uh 15 to uh 16 to $25,000 per home there was such a difference in in that
number because if that home didn't have sufficient power in its electrical panel to support a a 220 grinder pump that electrical service have to be upgraded so that's like a a A10 to $133,000 upgrade but a regular
straightforward grinder pump would be like $166,000 to the homeowner because the grinder pump itself is $10,000 right now now the town of fouth hasn't discussed if they're going to sell those grinder pumps to the property owners at a reduced price because back in the last
section of sewering they bought large quantities of grinder pumps and then offered them to the homeowners at a reduced price these are very prudent answers I'm sorry you're annoyed I believe it's you that's being argumentative to the public but I'm not going to dis we're not going to we're
not going to sit here and argue but we don't want to be betrayed as being argumentive when we're just trying to ask simple questions to the you know to the the public entity that's in charge of this section thank you so before town meeting will you be
able to provide a a projected average um uh Pro uh projected increase in no sorry an average cost for the homeowner to hook up to the Sewer so people in uh so the town meeting members will know that
and the look will know that the information I have available to me is the relative cost ranges for what happened in the marav Vista system which I have provided to Matt in response and Matt has his own numbers well what what
age you provide to Matt that hasn't help the general public here I mean you asked if I would have numbers by town meeting I will bring those numbers to town meeting all right great thank you okay thank you very much further comments there's a motion made and
seconded all those in favor signify by saying I any comments from anything from the sure sure sure comments from the board I'm sorry thank you I forgot I forgot I'm not perfect I'll start it off and try to be very
brief in the interest of time which is extremely important this evening the last seing was 10 years ago not 15 hookup cost that I know personally I hooked up gravity system one of the most difficult in the Heights because of depth required because I had a basement
bathroom I spent $7,000 to dig and pipe to the street the betterment cost was just over 13,000 the first estimates of the better cost a couple of years before that when it was being ballparked was 18,000 it got
down to 16 and then actual after costs were finalized was 13 range of cost to individual homeowners was all over the place if you throw in a lot of landscaping it got prohibitive if you had a simple one I know someone who's put in one of the first grinder pumps
which was supplied to the homeowners at no cost they weren't be buying them at a reduced cost from the town they were given them by the town of falou that is the fact anything else is conjecture nonsense I know someone who put in a
grinder pump he had the 220 already available his hookup cost him $33,000 before the town gave him an additional subsidy with surplus funds from the article some people spent 20,000 in fact that individual has spent three to hook up spent another 10 or 15
cuz he wanted to redo his backyard where he had to destroy the old old septic tank that was buried under a patio Hardscape that he had put in it's all over the place depending on what you want to do and what you currently have it can be very low or it can be very high that's
all Steve nothing from me okay good so while he was talking I had a chance to dig through my notes I found my response to you Matt um your question 10 is what is the cost to hook up the sewer on top of the
betterment and my reply was um no I'm sorry I'm in the what is question 10 what is the cost to hook up to the Sewer on top of the betterment I said costs vary I said for reference the average cost based on available data in
the previous maravista project was 3,828 for Gravity service connection and 5,219 those are averages the low for the Grinders was 3,850 and the high was 7,600 and for Gravity the low was 2,000
and the high was 6,000 so if if if you care to take those numbers and escalate them between using Consumer Price Index or something like that for construction costs that would probably be a
number Tom no I I'm s they all passed we all passed okay all those all those in favor signify by saying I I I thank you
um kisten I guess you get this one because K Ken Ken's down with the flu I mean um I sent the board basically a summary of the two Grant progr PRS that we've been talking about so the first
one we applied for in October that was the natural resource nitrogen sensitive area that was a call put out by the D Falmouth submitted two applications this was intended to be a planning Grant so the first application was for the
first Watershed permit which was Little Pond and Great Pond basically to do an evaluation of what might be missing from the current Watershed permit requirement um from all of the previous planning documents so that's the big part of that
one as well as going through and calculating and determining the updated nitrogen loads again that's another big part of the Watershed permit application requirements um the other application that was put in was for some planning
elements for manit Fiddlers and Rands um that was not to put together a comprehensive package but to again look at update calculating the updated nitrogen loading to those um and just putting together some planning elements
so we found out on March 13th that the town was awarded both of those grants um they have to be finished by the end of FIS schal year which is the end of June so it's a very small window to complete the
work that was proposed um and that work is distributed between science Wares and ghd so in that packet I basically gave you the scope for both of those projects and I also gave you the direct requirements for the Watershed plan from
the regulations the next funding opportunity is the national estuaries program that is the project we are looking for for The Snug Harbor prb as as we discussed in one of the last
meetings we were invited to submit a full proposal for that that is due on Friday um I've been working with Ken and Ed and isch putting that together and we are just waiting for one more review of one more piece and it will be submitted
so we are on track to submit that and according to the funding agency notification will be miday excellent on the nrns a grants um for those of you listening um this is mass D
funding back to help out the communities who are in the nitrogen sensitive areas a total of eight grants were issued um the highest amount went to the town of Dennis at 175,000 the lowest was to the town of
Barnes at 37,6 155 and Falmouth uh fell just about in the middle at the $94,000 Mark so they distributed money to a number of the communities on the and the benefit of that is that over the next 6 to 8 or n months we should be seeing more data and information from our
neighboring communities about how they're approaching the problem and what Solutions they're finding Steve do you need uh does your application have to be reviewed by Town management before it gets they select board approved us to
apply for the program when we were submitting the letter of intent um so we do need a representative signature and director of DPW has agreed to sign for that Tom thank you will you be using Chris Neil's commes River nitrogen data
in the modeling for Great Pond that's a ghd question they're doing that aspect yeah just take we'll take note of that yeah that's yeah because his numbers you know show some very important things going on good pick up I mean the first
first first thing they're going to do is get um parcel by parcel water use data for the town that's first and foremost my point and I've made this several years in a row now intermittently is the input from the kasset river
dwarfs anything coming out of septic systems right already the present modeling says it's 55% of the loading of Great Pond and Chris's numbers show that it's probably 2/3 and I'm guessing it could be 34 of of the nitrogen load I mean I
haven't looked at Chris's numbers in a long time but it's pretty important I think that they look at his numbers and the flow rate of the river all right uh the next item on the agenda is
uh to request this board support the bable Clean Water Coalition they've got an MVP Grant application in um Z Crocker and and and and and the rest of them have got I think it's 60 Acres
uh or so that they want to convert this cranberry B back over and they're pursuing a grant um not exactly the kunet sort of thing but the same sort of scale um I feel comfortable with supporting them because they've
supported us um and so I would ask for a vote that um this board supports their their application so I'll move that we support it and if there's a second we can discuss it I'll second okay second any discussion from the board the what
amount are they looking for what's available I don't think we got those details did we uh it's not an insignificant number um I think this is simp simar to where we were at with the uh the prbs you know
it's several hundred, of work and they're just trying to get to the next level on this program yeah yeah we weren't given the the ask details what's the granting entity again
I thought i' would sent this around have we not sent this Municipal vulnerability preparedness so MVP it's the state or yeah it's the state yeah it yeah it's more vulnerability than um clean water per se but it but it
will change the will improve the water quality in the receiving body down below I unfortunately do not do not print it out I just a quick question it struck me there's a lot of similarities to the kunet restoration project and there we've got a couple years now under
our belt there's water sampling at a occurs are are the learnings being transferred to this uh project so that things that work well are Incorporated the things that didn't are known to the the folks will be doing this I will say that the bar clean water
Coalition is aware of um the kuna mess at work how much there's been a one-on-one transfer uh I'm a little unaware but I'm making a note to next time I correspond with Z ask him if he's got that information and is if there's anything we can Prov item and then reciprocally just like we heard about
the shuel pawn project from him um I would expect that he would at some point as this moves along be willing to come before us and say thank you for your support we got our grant and here's what we're learning okay comments comment any other board
comments okay comments from the audience okay all those in favor of supporting the bille Clean Water coalition's MVP Grant application signify by saying I I thank you reports of members and staff uh anybody got a
burning desire to go first I can Tom speak um pretty quickly I think um chairman raford and I went to the thalouth shellfish advisory committee meeting um last week I'm a I'm a regular member and Steve wanted to get his feet
wet I guess to co a phrase um they put out quite a spread um they um are very very concerned about the outfall given recent history of closing
of of shellfish areas across Massachusetts based on new techniques which involve modeling water dilution characteristics instead of going out and taking hard samples of water samples and soft tissue samples of shelfit to find
out if there's some issues of contain ination um in the recent past um basically the entire Watershed um around ipswitch has been closed and I think even a smaller area
offshore defin definitely a portion going down the ipswitch river and then a very large area in Plymouth Harbor but maybe going a little offshore there too outside the harbor and last year there was a closure of a big section of
Buzzard's Bay which um affected both commercial harvesting and aquaculture projects in Buzzards Bay so they are very worried about how the state might
respond to this outfall and the good note is the state people are using Jim Church Hill's models which is the same model that we're using to model water water dilution around the outfall um but
um I guess I would say right now there's a there's a bunch of skepticism the committee is reaching out to division marine fisheries or the people that make that decision here Statewide um to get some feedback from
them they apparently had no idea this project was in the works which I I know I find that very hard to believe too but the woman that does I can't remember her last name chrisy Chrissy something said this was the first thing she'd heard of anything of a project in
Falmouth and so I think there's some miscommunication somewhere but anyway it's it has come up and it it's um I've been approached privately um by shell fisherman and committee members and then of course last week in the committee
meeting itself a bunch of skepticism was voiced wanting to know um what the consequ might be if the state steps in and and and says we're going to close some areas to Shell fishing and I don't
know Steve if you want to add anything else to the only thing I would add is um you know the the people on that committee they have apparently trust Christie to draw the line wherever it's going to get drawn you know they they said that more than once Christy Christy
knows this stuff she draws the line right we pointed out we pointed out though that right now within the modeling we've done there the magic sort of initial number to work on is a th000 to one they said oh Christy will go to a third of that depending upon the
location anyways we've used a th to one in our modeling we make a th000 to one within 30 to 40 ft of the outfall in Plymouth Harbor where the outfall comes into Plymouth Harbor which is inside an enclosed Bay the zone to get to a th000
to1 is 2 miles by three miles you know or or hundreds of times larger than our initial Zone and similarly in ipswitch because the river never gets to a th to1
dilution ever the entire river is shut off okay I think they understood that a little bit but they they they were sort of deferring to they would like to hear or no more from Christie as they go along so we've sent a joint letter are you on the distribution list for that or
not no okay I am and as soon as we hear back from her yeah I would suggest you include Amy on that letter since she's coordinating interaction with the state agencies we have a point person at the D that's helping us with all the different people we've got to talk to N I know
you've got to rush out of here tonight but we'll talk in the next day or two you need one more project Steve one slight correction I believe R1 to th000 delution is within 300
I'm sorry I I I I dropped it 300 but not but not but not 2 miles by 3 miles no and in both cases it's strikingly different from our situation and what's going on in Vineyard sound um most dramatically in the case of the IP switch thing because it's way Upstream
Inland draining into a very small constrained Watershed and very large productive soft clam shellfish beds yeah but you're you're closing very clear direct and soon communication with
Fisheries right we are already in communication with we've already said them there's a slight disconnect between who the fish who the shell fishermen talked to and deal with and who Amy has been dealing with and we're just going to make sure that everybody is communicating fully as we go
forward I I spoke for you Amy is that okay I it's fine okay other other reports of members and staff um I your slides do you want them well in the interest of time I no no
we're good we we need to get out of here 20 of 20 of six to be able to make make PR meeting your chance huh then when he's finished yeah we got time
yeah hold on is there going to be any report from the from Steve about the pilot budget we haven't had a meeting okay thank you meeting is next week I think okay thank
you okay so I just wanted to report on the latest information from the uh Marine borings now they move to a phase of onshore drilling at kite Park uh the map shows B1 location which was um just completed yesterday just prior to lunch
um and I'm happy to report that uh no Boulders were encountered the sediments continue to be various types of Sands with ad miixed uh small Pebbles as we go deeper in the section we encounter silt and mud so basically The observed
sediment distribution fits the geologic model for you know how the glaciers formed Cape Cod in this part of the cape the Western Cape the predictive model that was developed about a year ago was spoton and I think everything that we were hoping to find in terms of the
sediment distribution occurred as we were hoping and the drilling of the outfall pipe should proceed I think pretty smoothly that's the bottom line I just want to give people who are not familiar with what happened with the drilling with the onshore location just
to give a a quick overview of what was done just so you have more familiarity as this happens in the future so the uh yellow star represents the stake location the truck drove out um I guess it was Monday morning it's a truck mounted rig there's a support truck too
that carries a water that's used in lubricating the drill string um and and basically the first step in this drilling is to pound in the casing the casing is a 5 in uh steel uh tube I think it's about five or 6 feet long and
it's just pile driven into the soft sediment and that forms a protective barrier between the actual drill bit and the drill string and the outer soil that surrounds the um the pipe that's done pretty quickly in the shallow section it gets a little bit slower as we go deeper
down once the casings in they drop the drill string in with the carbide tipped uh um drill bit at the end you can see that here where I'm pointing to and that cuts down about 3 feet into the soil section at that point they switch out
the uh drill string they take out the a bit and they put in What's called the split spoon sampler uh about a 4ft metal pipe that's Hollow that's actually driven down in 6in increments and that's used to calibrate the properties of the soil the number of Strokes of the pile
driver which is this heavy blue metal um cylinder that's poised above the actual uh split spoon sampler it's Riven in a series of Strokes those Strokes are counted the number of Strokes it takes to drive the sample 12in in is what is
used to calibrate the properties the mechanical properties of the soil the soil is then extracted sampled the driller shown here takes it apart hands it to the geotechnician who then describes it puts it in jars and that
sent off of further testing so it's a very efficient operation these guys completed it in a day and a half um and all the drilling is now done so there will be no more borings in support of the outfall project in this location and everything was done I think pretty
quickly very safely and with minimum disturbance to the site you can drive by kite park now and you probably wouldn't know that there was an actual drilling um taking place there so that's that's the one quick comment of you know when we design sewers we go out we take
borings or probes for the sewers typically those borings are in the 25 ft range or whatever these borings were 100 ft so it was four times further down which is why it took a day and a half whereas if anybody had seen when they took borings on streets they might get
three or four done in a day depending upon whether they were 10 foot borings 15 foot boring or 20 foot boring so yeah um similar process though yeah that's does the the casing is just the top five ft no no they they case down in this case in the onshore bore hole they case
down to 70 feet at that point they switch over to a bentonite mud system which then is shot down the drill string and it lubricates the hole and forms a cake around the inner uh portion of the hole to protect it and to protect the
stability um they can't keep driving it's just too slow a process so it's it's it's more effective to put in a bent night mud offshore I think they were able to pile Drive the the casing to about 50 ft before switching over to the bent n mud system and then they pull all the casing when they're done so
there's there's nothing left in the ground I'm going to put Ed on the spot a little bit because I already asked the question but I it looked to me as though they did a good job cleaning up kite Park Ed you you cannot find where the hole was unless you go out there with a magnet fire and uh you know great job
and yeah 70 ft on Monday 30 fet I was there you were driving away in your red truck when I was talking to the tech from uh ghd and um yeah you can't find any sign of what was done one other quick thing I'd add too just down the
road a bit at Surf Drive eversource did their pipe for carrying the cables as part of the vineyard uh system and in about a week and a half they did their pilot hole out 3,000 ft
they pulled their pipe back to shore so if you go to that site now all the equipment's gone they're taking down probably the screens now and all you see in there is this 24in diameter plastic pipe that goes 55 ft under the sound out
3,000 ft Beyond the Eel Grass but a week and a half it was done amazing so hopefully we would have the same success with the outfall yeah we said thank you good did you want to get say something yeah I I in the spirit of reports of
members and staff there was an email that came around this morning from Peter Johnson stab that a company in Oregon called 3.com is putting on a show in
hyanis that we were invited to but it's the same night as town meeting so no one's going and it's my position that they're trying to sell us something that's pretty uncontroversial so it's their job to come to us rather than us to go to them
and I I don't think what they're proposing makes any sense for fth but I throw this out in case anyone wants to look into it or it might give them an idea for something else basically they they're trying to
sell towns sewage as a service and and they have two schemes one you could call sewers on Wheels where you have a
collection pond in each neighborhood picture getting this past town meeting and um then their tank truck comes and empties that and takes it out to the waste for a treatment facility every once in a while so you don't have to pay for the pipe but you have to pay for the
trucks and for their profit and their other scheme is the idea of putting fiber optics in the ground at the same time that you put sewer pipe down and of course that's not complicated at all trying to combine all
the politics of fiber optics with all the politics of sewers and that's all I want to say about that there's already so much sewage on the fiber optic cable coming into my house now wow but but I
mean it's a real company and I mean they're not idiots and they're apparently talking some towns into this check into them um I would like to provide a very brief update I got an email from representative vieira's office uh just prior to coming into this
meeting I have not yet opened it up but um if you recall we had conversations about refundable versus non-refundable tax credits and Dave has sponsored a bill uh one of the steps was for the house Council to look at the
concept and put wording to it um I believe I have a copy of it now in hand I'm going to share with Jonathan Steve if you want a copy I'll share it with you I can share it with any other board member that wants to see it um but to a certain extent Jonathan's been
a little bit on the point with this both between Fernandez office and uh V so you know I think we have wording together now some people have gone to look up that bill and have seen that it's kind of a blank bill because it was a placehold till now
um that's all I have on that okay how about we vote the minutes of our meeting of March 5th 2025 I move that we accept them as written subject of course to what Tom
will find is there a second I'll second okay there's been a motion made in seconded to accept the meetings um are there any additional Corrections or comments okay all those in favor of accepting the minutes as written signify by saying I I
I all right now let's move on to uh the 19th of uh March a day we'll all remember well was a beautiful day no fabulous day um anybody want to make a motion to
accept the minutes as as written so move anybody care make a second second okay there been a motion made and seconded corre the meetings Okay um item three update on Snug
Harbor um first paragraph program has resulted in an invitation for Foreman to submit a full proposal it was to Kristen she was the applicant of record so the letter went to Kristen not to for so noted that's
good any other Corrections I'm just looking at his papers by the way Kristen are we allowed to come back to minutes after they've been approved like in a subsequent meeting and amend them does anybody know yes I don't see why not you can yes you can
yes it's good to know all right actually there's some minutes from uh 2017 and like item six memory serves we'll put it on the next agenda all right all those in favor
signify by saying I I I thank you one abstention I wasn't here that's right John did you get your I did send you a list of town meeting members okay um I guess I'll just take a minute here I I've reached out to everybody on my list I'm getting
generally people that are in favor of the article F have positively responded to me I think there's a couple people that are not necessarily Advocates but um still ask them for their vote hope everybody's been making progress on their list and
uh look forward to um getting through town meeting I'll move adjournment okay second all right there's been a motion made in second for adjournment for which there can be no discussion under Robert's Rules of orders all those in
favor s by saying I I I new world record am [Music]